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Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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Speaker 2: These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid.

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Speaker 1: It five story and me the greatest con.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday and listening.

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Speaker 2: Oh WATCHIELM always keep its watching.

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Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bubo Fay

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and Bobo has the prestigious position in my phone above.

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Speaker 3: Another gentleman named Bongo's Bobo is wedged between Bobcat gold

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Twade and Bongo in my phone context. Here, let's see.

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Speaker 4: They want to be on a phone range that I

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asked you. I'll probably get that in a message banks

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the mailboxes.

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Speaker 3: Well I cannot accept any mess of course. All right,

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that's one way to avoid work. One week later, Hey,

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so hey Bobes, what's happening to man Cliff? Nothing, just

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doing the podcast as I do this last week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I was here, I was ready, and I

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was outside. I was doing stuff around the house. And

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you saw our house. I could like that, like the

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laundry room in the garage, like and this connected a

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little little walkway.

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Speaker 3: No, I've never been there.

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Speaker 4: I thought I thought it came by.

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Speaker 3: Nope, that was in me. There must have been someone

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who would just like me.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you know, it was rowdy. Actually, I guess it

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was rowdy. Anyways, I was gonna go. I was gonna

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leave after I did some stuff like do some weeding

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or whatever. So I was gonna go out to the

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door that i'd set my stuff down in the in

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the laundry room that I went out that way into

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the backyard. It's between the garage and the house. And

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I didn't I left that the doors were open, and

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then the well, the window was open, and then the

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door was open, and it was pretty windy, like it

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was just starting it at windy, and it like it

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just this gush just came through and just slammed the door.

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And it's it doesn't even it's not even a locking handle.

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It's one of those little flapper you know, those little

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flowers that comes that go over and like you just

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like when you close the door, it's like a little

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brass and you just it's like a little gate that

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swings over and you click it down and like you know,

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it's like an extra door block. There's no key to it.

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It's just you know, I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: It sounds complex, man, I don't know, I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 4: Like like hotel doors, like hotel doors have sometimes it's

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like just like it's like a it's a rectangle. It's

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like it's like a it's just like a hinge. But

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there's no it's like you bolt it onto the on

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the doorframe and then the little like brass plate swings

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out in front the door then slides down and clicks in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like some some bathroom stalls have them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's slammed. It's just slat. I guess it

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slams so hard that the thing freaking like lock like

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it said, it clicked in on its own, and I

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and my keys were in there. I couldn't get in

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the house.

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Speaker 3: So Karta leaves for a little while and that you

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immediately get locked out of the house.

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Speaker 4: Huh dude. So by the time I then I finally

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figured out how to get in, and I went and

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got some they're building a house down the next blockdown.

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I went down there and got some flashing, some aluminum

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flashing like strips, and came and just jacked around and

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I probably got to slide in and I got I got,

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I popped it up. Then I called you guys. What

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you guys were already over it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure you should ever put flashing and strip

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in the same sentence. Get me twenty Well, anyway, I'm

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glad you're back anyway, but I'm glad that it's so.

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Cred is home. She got you in the house for

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about a week or something.

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Speaker 4: I got I got in on my own.

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Speaker 3: Oh good good. Yeah, because I know you, I know

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you know how to break into a house.

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Speaker 4: That's that was a pretty easy one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean I know you all, and that's

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I mean, not that you commit crimes or anything, but

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I know that's how you arsky to Sergio for example.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't had a Bobo story time and quite

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a long time. There's been a lot of requests, and

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I think maybe the topic of breaking and entering probably

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conjures a few memories to mind.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, as Assatue the limitations expired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Any description of felonious or

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criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes,

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and it is in no way admission of guilt or

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even true for that matter.

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Speaker 3: There you go, perfect. We should have one of those

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in front of every episode. I think I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 1: Well, gather around. It's Bobo story, dude, he go see

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some things.

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Speaker 2: That'll blow me O my classic an any scene he's lying,

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He's gone a kid kill me high clear on skin.

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Speaker 1: It's Bobo story. Any description of felonious or criminal activity

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is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes, and is

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in no way to a mission of guilt or even

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true for that matter.

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Speaker 4: I actually was a part of the breaking, but I

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was with a group of guys and we were down

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in Mexico and winter and Baja, and we were just

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partying super hard, like all college guys. Like we weren't

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even we were like a nineteen twenty There was one

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guy that was twenty one. And we went down and

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we were just raging, and we ended up going to

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San Miguel and we were there was six of us

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in a four tourist wagon. I think I think it

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was Yeah, I think I think it was a Turust wagon.

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It was like a it was like a small mid

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size station wagon. I gotta figure out, gotta remember which

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one it was. Anyways, so we took it across. Well,

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first we bought insurance at the border, like we got

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that insurance to covery. If you go into the it

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says right on like not balid for rental cars. And

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we had this guy, So, this guy, Chad was from China.

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He didn't really speak any English. I think I told

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this on the show already.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard it before.

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Speaker 4: Well, we were down in Baja just like partying around

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like en sonata and rosatos and that holds down like

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and we didn't make any shurt boards. We had too

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many people. We had so we had four guys in

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this like small compact station wagon like store is like

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six nine two seventy five. There was me and Aduced

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like the same size as me, like pretty much all

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the dudes like Jones was like we were all over

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two hundred pounds, like pretty big dudes. And we had

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this small guy from China who was he had rich

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parents and he didn't All I could say was cuss words.

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He couldn't really say too much, just like f you

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and son of a you know, like he knew he

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knew stuff like that and effort and you know, and

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and then like he and that's the only thing you

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could understand out of the guy. We got him to

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rent the car. They got him to rent the car

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and they were at Kyle poly Sons abyss sore. They

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picked me up. They stopped down and picked me up.

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It's another breaking an entering story. So anyways, Uh, they

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came down and picked up me and another one other guy.

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there was four of them and they picked up us too,

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and we were gonna camp. Somebody had like a couple

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of sleeping bags and those guys are gonna buy like

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those hawk in the wool blankets, you know at the border.

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Like it was. It was pretty not well thought out trip.

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And so we we got the insurance. We got the

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total coverage, like ten thousand dollars coverage, like this is sweet,

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and so we went down we were we just started

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like like just thrashing the car just like you know,

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like hitting stuff and like you know, jumping it off

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little jumps and like if there was a place to watch,

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we'd watch. And then uh, we were always dog piling

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because we were pigeons. Then we were then we were

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gonna make chad and egg, which is their first step

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in a pigeon hood. What the tails is just getting

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dog piled like over and over and over. It's like

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guys just bringing like pro wrestling music dropping down like

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atomic elbows and stuff, and just so everyone was dog

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piling them. And then he made a run for the

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car and then somehow ended up we all ended up

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dog piling the car and like breaking the root, like

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cracking the windshield in the in the in the rear window,

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like we broke those because the jumping up and down.

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of the car and like we're like, well, it's insure.

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as well, just you know, keep keep thrashing it, and

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we're gonna we'll just you know, file the in sheriffs

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and we'll make money on this. Still we're at ten thousand, Like, yeah,

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this car was like but I think the Blue Bagon

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was like sixty four hundred or sixty. This is like

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she's forty years ago. So we were down in balls

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like raging, like just drinking up a storm and like

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just pounding beers everywhere, like we have tequila bottles and

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just causing mayhem. So yeah, we just kept like we

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kept like just so we thrashed the car you know,

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then it wasn't running to like it started like steaming

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and stuff like I think we cracked the reader a

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little bit.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like it was running too hot, honestly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh so we were we were sam Agulla

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started running ran like the wind picked up. It was

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like heavy heavy on shore when there was no surface

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at all on the camera, I was empty, and we're

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just like sitting there freeze because you gets even though

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I were things like, oh, Mexico, it's warmer and where

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it's like they just a blow of San Diego a

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few miles and it's it gets cold down there. And

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so we're and so those guys go walking off and

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they walk across the little river there and went into

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this housing community and and Jones just walks up to

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this condo and just kicks the door and it flies

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open and we go in there and like it was

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like stocked with food like booze, and we was like

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just started like helping ourselves. Like I didn't feel good

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about it. I was like, this is wrong, Like I

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don't want to. I don't want to. So I ended

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up going back out in the car and sleeping in

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the car. I felt, I mean I wasn't there for

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a little bit. Then I saw Jones peeing on a wall.

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I was like, oh no, this is going to get ugly.

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Then those guys just ended up like I hate vandals

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and vandalids and I can't stand it, but those guys

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pretty much vandilize this place. So they came back in

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the morning like just super hungover, and just so everyone

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started drinking again. Then next thing, you know, like the

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Jones was the ring leader on all this thrashing stuff.

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He just takes the the advisor in the passenger's seat,

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like the visor falling down and blockings you see, just

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like tore it off. Then he reached over and tore

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off the drivers went and threw him out the window.

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And it was like we started laughing, like we ripped

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off the door, like the window over lovers, Like everything

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I could get pulled off got pulled off and thrown

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up the window like which seemed like a great idea

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at the time. And so we come back and uh,

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we we crossed the border and they're just like looking

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at us like, oh my god, like you guys are

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a mess. You know, he comes driver comes driving through.

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Then we go to that little it's like it was

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like a little kiosk booth in a parking lot. There's

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like totally metal bars all over it, and you know

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it's like in a fat neighborhood, like right across the border.

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We go up there and we're just you know, like

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open beers. Just we go to the guy and said,

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we need a file on insurance claim on this. We

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got we got. You guys know, it was ten thousand dollars

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and store was it was like six'. Nine he was

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was From, germany so he had custom and he'd get

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these Custom adidas over In germany that were like size

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eighteen or something seventeens or. Whatever they were like these

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big custom shoes and we were like we were kicking the.

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Cock we just. Tried we try to Like dan every

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like we made sure there was not one piece of

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the car that wasn't dented. In like we were kicking

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the sides and we're we're gonna get our moneys were

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so we just beat The convias bunch as possible and

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we all were Switch we got to switch down because

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the roof was came. In it's like we're all like

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kind of sink down our sheets to fit in there

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and we go there and the guy comes out and

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it comes out and looks at the, car, goes come,

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here any points at. Stork he, goes come here and

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he walks. Over he, goes look up your looks up your.

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Foot he grabs his. Foot he puts it next to

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the door and it's a perfect match in the desk

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like this seventeen side Seventeen adida shoe like fully on the,

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door like the door panels and shot like you see

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what it totally got where he, like you, know did

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some docky, kicks like you, know his his back trying

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to just did a couple of docky kicks and like

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kicked in one of the couple of. Doors so the,

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guy you guys did, This we're, like, no we. Didn't

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we got we got hit and the car rolled over

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and because he's like the rifts caved. In we're, like,

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yeah we like we got, rolled we got, hit we

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got side ship, whatever we got t bone and we

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rolled the car and that's why all the like everything

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got torn, out like all the we were holding on

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like ad visors and, door the, door, window roller over

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deals and like that's how they all got torn. Off

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and you, guys just get the hell out of. Here

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i'm not giving you a, penny and was like what you,

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Know so like we were like trying to. Thread i'm, like,

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oh you, know there's like you get beat it in little.

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Gringos so they ran us, off like, shoot well we

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gotta then, like well there's a there's a rental policy

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comes in the, car and so they went back and

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we're like so we went. Up we went back up To,

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Manhattan we went to the we were just like went

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to this restaurant out of the kettle and we were

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down like trying to think of a game kind of

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like we'll shoot like those were those guys ting aaually

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sounds to this when this car wasn't, running like it

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wasn't going to make it up. There so we were

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trying to brainstrow them and, said, well we just got

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to apply for we got to apply for, insurance like

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through the rental. Agency so we Had, chad you, know

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like we had to help because he didn't really Speak

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english and fill out like then the cops. Came we, said,

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yeah we said we were involved in a hit and.

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Running this car hit a single rolled and that's why

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every thinking the whole car smashed completely from top of

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the bottom like they do like the head laft For

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we were also like running over stuff and next clock

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on the side of the road like, whatever like just.

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Trash this Was jones again when he was, driving like

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drove over like some mailboxes and all it's like the

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headlights were smashed, out the windows were all cracked and,

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spiderwebbed you, know the tail lights was knocked, out like

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there was no lights on the. Car and so, yeah

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we went and we went and called the, cops and

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the cops. Came we were all telling the sayings stort like, yeah,

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yeah we got s we got we got t bone

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in the car rolled and.

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Speaker 5: They so then we We've then they Had chad for

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up the the report and the accident, report and as

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soon as he signed, it they slapped the cuffs on

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and said we're rescuing for false whatever whatever like a false.

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Speaker 4: Report and So chad was got thrown in jail right,

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then and then he had to call his. Dad his

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dad was some like, diplomat got like some big wig

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like rich dude From, china and he's like what you

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guys like he and then And chad couldn't talk to

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the police like like we were doing all the like you,

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know saying it like you, know say anything for him and,

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uh but they only arrested him and his dad had

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to pay off the car like to get. Him like

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his dad just paid for the car, outright like just bought.

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It so we ended up like buying that car we,

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had we got. It his dad has bought it like

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to get him out of the amo out of, trouble

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and he still got in. Trouble but, yeah so that

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was that was that. Trip that was a little breaking and.

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Speaker 3: Entering stay tuned for More bigfoot And beyond With cliff And.

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Bobo will be right back after these.

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Speaker 1: Messages is that happened to be the same trip that

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you sent me pictures from the other.

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Speaker 4: Day that's a different.

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Speaker 1: One, WELL i will still post one or two of

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those pictures for the pigeons since it does go along

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with the.

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Speaker 3: Theme uh, yeah bunch of nerdy wells, MAN i.

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Speaker 4: Know it was really, galous like none of none of

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us would like have done all that with him if

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he wasn't the one doing.

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Speaker 1: It did you get that PICTURE i Sent cliff to

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picture you sent me Of Bobo's baha.

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Speaker 3: Adventure i'm not. Sure hold on a. Second oh, yeah

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that's very. Classy. Bows, yeah you're holding a bayana right.

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There you got a knife in your. Mouth was a?

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Bag is that? Bread probably from the? Pandurrehea oh, yeah,

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yeah you look slightly not.

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Speaker 4: Sober i've had a, Few i'm sure. Definitely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah well you look, great, man you look, great very,

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MULTINATIONAL a man of the world, exactly exactly the.

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Speaker 1: World well that should satisfy some people's desire For bobo

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storytime for for a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit remind me of another break in ny? Store what

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WAS i was? Good what WAS i forget what that one.

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Was i'll think of it. Later all, right very?

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Speaker 3: Good well what are we doing this week for this?

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Speaker 1: Thing, well it is that time of the, month THE

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q AND a. Time SO i do have a selection

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of both written and voicemail submissions for. You so we'll

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just a b. Those we'll start with the written. Submissions

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so there's the first one for.

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Speaker 3: You all, right you want to take that, One.

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Speaker 4: Bobs let's see we got. Here cut my, Glasses ara

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good aad From. Australia our male red kangaroos can get

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pretty jacked over. Here and it got me thinking about

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how many sasquat settings. Clean they too are built of

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muscle on. Muscle how do you speculate that they maintain

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that muscle? Tone are they out bench pressing tree trunks

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and protein loading every few? Hours do you think they

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need to work out it or they just predisposed that

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Way they're.

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Speaker 3: Predisposed oh, yeah make sure that there's whole lot of

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animals are out there bench, pressing you, know other than

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what they normally have to.

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Speaker 4: Do, YEAH i mean, CLIMATE i mean climate is, good

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great workout for. You and they, swim they, Run they just.

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Living they get. IT i mean they're working, out just.

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Speaker 3: LIVING i was in the woods yesterday for most of the.

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Day actually took a film crew out. There and even

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with the film crew tagging along behind, ME i came

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back AND i can feel THAT i had a little

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bit of workout. Yesterday you, know my legs are sore

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and all that kind of. Stuff and you know that

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happens every single week when they go out to the. Woods,

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YEAH i think just being out in the, woods it's. Amazing,

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actually you know WHAT i go, On like IF i

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take a week off AND i go to the woods

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and nobody can find me for a little little. Bit

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WHEN i come, Back i'm automatically in better, shape And

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i'm not living like an, animal does you. Know i've

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got a cooler And i've got a kind of an

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easy life considering how you, know all the other wild

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animals and wildlife. Live but even THEN i come back

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And i'm just frankly in better shape than WHEN i.

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Left living outdoors and living in the woods literally makes

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you in good. Shape SO i see no reason to

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think that sasquatches be any different than.

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Speaker 1: THAT i was just going to say.

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Speaker 4: That and we know that they love steep. TERRAINS i

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mean that really gives you a, Workout like like some

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of those trails And Bluff peak are going down like

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just practically vertical cliffs and going up, them you, know

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like just you, know bee lining wherever they're, going just

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going up and, climbing. Climbing, yeah they get they get

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to work, out for.

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Speaker 1: SURE i was chatting with one of our members the

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other day, about you, know the build that witnesses described

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and how interesting it is that those massive like traps

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that seem to you, know connect so high up at

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least seemly on the head or it's sort of like

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the rear of the skull that gives that impression of

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having no. Neck there must be something about their lifestyle

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that puts a lot of pressure there that requires the

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development and maintenance of those. Muscles and maybe it's That

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ford lean that people always describe and having like a

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big heavy head that's leaning forward and having that torso

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tilted ford that that those are all stabilizers to keep

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that head forward facing for bipedal. Locomotion but maybe there's

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something else that they do that the occasional description that

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witnesses have of, them like running on all fours or

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putting their hands down to move or pulling themselves up

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like you describe climbing up slopes grabbing. Trees but there

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must be some selection pressure there that drives, that.

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Speaker 4: Like sheroh's story up in The, marbles the thing climb

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of those cliffs that came up from like two thousand people,

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below just running and climbing the old.

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Speaker 3: Time, YEAH i think the one of the best workouts

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ever is off trail. Hiking you, know like people go

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out walking and they go out maybe go out running

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or something or jogging for, exercise but off trail hiking

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has a lot going for, it and that's literally how

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these things.

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Speaker 4: Live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i was thinking about it the other day,

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too driving, around especially in certain parts Of kentucky that's

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like horse, country you, know around Like georgetown and all

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that stuff where The Kentucky derby. Is you see all

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these giant horses that are just completely, jacked just, ripped you,

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know hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of pounds of muscle

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and they eat, like, hey you, know what do you, think,

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like what the hell do we need like wigh protein

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and red meat and all this, stuff or if you

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could maintain that kind of muscle mass with like grass, basically,

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right what's.

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Speaker 4: That big buffalo thing In india that the tigers take

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down they looked at on? Steroids are those? Gar yeah

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it's going like water buffalo? Thing but those, THINGS i,

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mean those things just they look like they're. Fake they

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look like a.

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Speaker 1: Cartoon yeah it is. GAR i might not be pronouncing

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that the rab it's gau. Are, yeah They're, god those things are. Massive,

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yeah that's a. Vegetarian we've been lied to by the fitness.

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Industry H hopefully that answers your question, There, Laura and

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so here is there your first, voicemail a familiar and favorite.

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Voice good, morning, gang little day FROM.

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Speaker 4: La That's Lower.

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Speaker 6: Alabama this, Year i'm going back To alaska on a.

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Speaker 1: Cruise when we was.

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Speaker 6: There in twenty twenty, THREE i read the Phenomenal, sasquatch excellent.

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BOOK i enjoyed sitting on my deck early, morning sipping,

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coffee reading the book and watching that gorgeous country just go.

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By since we're going back this year In, july my

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question is what other books SHOULD i. Take i've Read

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Jeff mildram's, books several fiction, books BUT i would just

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like to know what would be all suggestion for a

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nice relaxing read While i'm there enjoying that. Country and

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by the, WAY i talked to the naturalist on the

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ship up About, sasquatch and he went into a lot

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of the legend and lore with the indigenous tribes up.

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There it was quite a good, talk thank. Y'all and

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let's keep it.

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Speaker 4: Squatchy glad to clarify THAT la Was Lower, alabama BECAUSE i,

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thought for, sure song every other city slicker down In

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La hollywood right.

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Speaker 3: Exactly that's probably exactly where he was. Calling i'm assuming

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that you've already Read Raincoaw sasquatch by Doctor Robert, alley

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as well as his second. BOOK i think the second

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book is Called brushes With, Bigfoot remember. RIGHT i would

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definitely check out those because you're going to be in that,

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country you might as well. Be you, know he did

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Say alaska, cruise did he or DID i make that?

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Speaker 4: Up? Yeah he?

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Speaker 3: Did, okay that's WHAT i. THOUGHT i wasn't sure IF

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i was making that up or, not but, YEAH i

473
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,880
would read those. BOOKS i think It's brushes With bigfoot

474
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,960
IF i remember. Right and of course on the cover

475
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,880
Of brushes With, bigfoot our Lovely murphy from The North

476
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,920
American Bigfoot center are Our bigfoot Model dwarings the, cover

477
00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:56,880
so that's always kind of.

478
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 4: Fun.

479
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah WHEN i went on That alaska cruise in twenty nine,

480
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,400
TEEN i Brought Raincoast, sasquatch Which i'd read several. Times

481
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,599
but reading that In alaska is definitely way cooler than

482
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,640
reading it the lower forty Eight.

483
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, YEAH i read it.

484
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,759
Speaker 4: When we were up there when we shot the. PILOT

485
00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:13,599
i was reading.

486
00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:15,799
Speaker 1: That book THAT i also went out there right when

487
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,279
in The valleys of The Noble. BEYOND i think it

488
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,759
had just been published and SO i picked that up

489
00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:22,799
and read that on that trip, too which a lot

490
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:25,079
of that does take, place and it's mostly like COASTAL,

491
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,400
bc but still same general you, Know Sunshine. Coast so

492
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,519
that's another recommendation i'd throw in.

493
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: There, yeah of course we Had, LYLE i mean anything By.

494
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,839
Lyle we had him on the podcast last week or

495
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,960
two weeks, ago so maybe that's a good. Thing but you,

496
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,240
know you Mentioned meldrum's. Book you didn't mention Doctor Grover krantz's,

497
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,480
book And i'm going to, say you got you gotta read.

498
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,799
That so but, again maybe we, could we could throw

499
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,440
lots and lots of books at. You but since you

500
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,240
are going To, alaska those are the top two brushes

501
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,160
With bigfoot And Raincoast. Sasquatch and for whatever it's, Worth

502
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:59,160
North American Bigfoot center has autographed copies of brushes With

503
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,200
bigfoot for just twenty five, bucks so maybe that's a

504
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,759
good place to buy.

505
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:06,319
Speaker 1: It EVEN i found a signed copy Of krantz's book In,

506
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,000
Juneo alaska on that same. Cruise oh that's cool for seven.

507
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,279
Bucks nice twas quite the. Score AND i already had

508
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,799
a signed copy THAT i had gotten In. Seattle SO

509
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,880
i gave that One, cliff And i've got The alaska

510
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,799
find on my.

511
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,519
Speaker 3: Shelf, yeah, fantastic there you. GO i think that's a

512
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,319
solid recommendation for. You all, Right so here is the

513
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,039
next written, question, okay and this one comes From Mark,

514
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,519
russell and he, asks my understanding is that chimps and

515
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,880
gorillas only touch things with their, fingertips and a full

516
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,279
handprint with the palm is a human like. Characteristic if

517
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,920
this is, correct then what does this tell us about

518
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,960
how sasquatches use their hands and what it suggests that

519
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:54,799
humans have a more recent common ancestor with bigfoots then

520
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:57,880
we do. Chimpanzees, WELL i don't know that to be, correct,

521
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,400
REALLY i, mean, honestly maybe it is. RIGHT i really

522
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,519
don't have any information on.

523
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 4: That i've never heard.

524
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,079
Speaker 7: That.

525
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: Uh i'm furiously googling right, now what are you mad?

526
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,720
About and it says that they manipulate and hold objects

527
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,799
often with their, hands using the thumb and fingers. Together

528
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,680
SO i don't see anything that excludes gorillas or chimps

529
00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:24,200
leaving palm prints on. Anything BUT i, MEAN i think

530
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,119
their hands Are sasquatch hands are markedly different than gorilla,

531
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,519
hands chimp, hands and human hands in a number of

532
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,240
ways THAT i don't think anyone could explain better Than

533
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,000
cliff on this.

534
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,519
Speaker 3: Call, yeah, yeah and. Whatever my quick little google search

535
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,079
here says that they grat when they grasp objects ape.

536
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,440
Species they use their palms and fingers much like we,

537
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,759
do but largely in a power grip as opposed to

538
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:48,599
a precision, grip which is a fingertip sort of. Thing but,

539
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,279
ANYWAY i guess that's the real. QUESTION i guess we've

540
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:55,319
got to focus, on is that does what does their

541
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,640
hand anatomy tell us about sasquatches and they how they

542
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,200
use the, hands and does if this is, true which

543
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,240
apparently it is not, True but would that suggest a

544
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:09,039
more recent common. Ancestor i'm not even sure that it

545
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,920
would suggest a more common ands have more recent common.

546
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,680
ANCESTOR i, MEAN i really don't know if that would

547
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,480
be the indicator of such a. Thing BUT i can

548
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:20,000
speak to a little bit about how sasquatches have not

549
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,640
only been observed using their, hand but also how the

550
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:27,200
hand anatomy points to what they can do and what

551
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,160
they can't. Do more, importantly, well first of, all the

552
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,279
hand anatomy is markedly different than in a human like

553
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,599
the thumb is positioned in a slightly different. Way and in,

554
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:39,359
fact a couple of newer Handprints i've been getting suggests

555
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,720
to me SOME i guess positions or flexations that the

556
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,640
hand can be. In, see there's not a lot of

557
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,880
handprints on record to begin, with, honestly and the ones

558
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,960
that have been noted have largely been in the shape of,

559
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:56,000
hands you, know like because that's that's how you recognize.

560
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,920
It but a couple of Handprints i've gotten recently have

561
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:03,160
the thumb in a very odd, position a very very odd.

562
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,319
POSITION i can maybe send mat a video or a

563
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,559
picture of one or two of these handprints where the

564
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,240
fingers say this, first not the, thumb but the other

565
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:16,039
fingers are like maybe at the twelve to three o'clock,

566
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,079
POSITION i guess would be a good look, Description but

567
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,920
the thumb is more like at a seven a clock.

568
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,640
Position so it's very VERY i guess divergent or. Something

569
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,720
i'm not sure what the right an anatomical term would,

570
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,680
be but it's very, Wonky i'll say, that whereas a

571
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,680
lot of the times you just. Pictured, okay so if

572
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,559
your middle finger looking at your, palm you, know or

573
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,759
if your middle fingers at, twelve you, know then like

574
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,799
your pointer finger would be at maybe, eleven and your

575
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,519
ring finger would be at your at, one and your

576
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,440
little finger would be at, two and your thumb would

577
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,200
probably be over it at like maybe, ten you, know

578
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,839
nine or ten position like that sort of. Thing but with,

579
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,559
sasquatches if you kept all four of the fingers, there

580
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:57,759
the THUMB i think would be like at seven or,

581
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,799
eight which is a really wonky place for it to be.

582
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,799
Sometimes and that's based on at least two handprints THAT

583
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:04,839
i have personally casts in the last couple of. Months

584
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,000
and what that tells us is that they are grabbing

585
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,200
things that are probably pretty. Large but also since their

586
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,200
thumb doesn't bend in the same position in the same

587
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:19,480
direction rather as, humans that tells us that they don't

588
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,799
have a precision. Grip they may have some difficulty or,

589
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,519
not like they, struggle but it wouldn't that be natural

590
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,079
for them to connect the tip of the thumb to

591
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,000
the tip of say the index, finger which would be

592
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,880
a precision, grip because humans have a precision, group which

593
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,440
means that we are easily able to pick up small

594
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,079
things like bebi's or something off of a. Table they

595
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:41,559
would have a little bit more trouble with. That they

596
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,039
would probably use their hands in different, ways and ape

597
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,519
species very often use like say the first and second

598
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:49,079
digit and to pick up small things like, that you,

599
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,000
know between the pointer and the middle, finger like they

600
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,680
would squeeze it. Sideways, LATERALLY i guess to pull up

601
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,799
those other things or, humans we'd use our thumb and those, digits,

602
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,039
see but sasquatches they would have trouble with. That so

603
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,000
you know a lot of these people who claim that

604
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,640
they're braiding or horses hairs and. Stuff, eh MAYBE i

605
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,440
don't think. SO i don't think that's true. Personally but

606
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:09,920
even if they, did it wouldn't be very. Good they

607
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,519
wouldn't be very. Clean it'd be very very, ROUGH i.

608
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,839
Think and of, course on top of, that their fingers

609
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,240
are shorter in, proportion or at least a pure shorter

610
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,839
in proportion to the rest of their. Hands and that's

611
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,519
likely because the webbing the skin between the fingers goes

612
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:28,599
up higher on the flangies, themselves you, know probably closer

613
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,599
to the first knuckle, there OR i guess maybe the second. Knuckle,

614
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,960
anyway the one closer to the, palm whatever one that one.

615
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,039
Is and also their fingers are quite a bit wider than.

616
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,160
Humans because they have a generally larger, hand that suggests

617
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,039
a power, grip especially with the thumb position and closing

618
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,319
not like a human like they. Do power grips are

619
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,960
used for things like ripping apart, trees or ripping apart,

620
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:55,440
stumps or tearing the heads off of bunnies or legs

621
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,160
off of deer and that kind of. Thing that ways

622
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,000
for them to utilize their immense strength and not be

623
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:04,680
delicate about things like picking up little tiny rocks or

624
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,240
something like that with the tips of their fingers and their.

625
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,599
Thumbs so their hands are very very different than. OURS

626
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,200
i think their thumb can move in quite a wide

627
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,000
range of, positions quite quite a large you know the,

628
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,640
SCOPE i. Guess but, yeah very very. Different and they

629
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,920
do not use their hands in similar. Ways they use

630
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,480
them for climbing and ripping apart things and pushing aside you, know,

631
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:32,920
brambles and tearing trees down and ripping apart, animals and you,

632
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,319
know pulling you, know like the rib cage apart of

633
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,759
a kill or something like. That all of these things

634
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,160
require great. Strength and their hands are built to reflect.

635
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,640
That their hands are built in a, sturdy, stocky stubby

636
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,960
sort of way in order to best to accommodate their immense.

637
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,759
Strength so that's kind of the gist of. It stay

638
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,960
two for More bigfoot And beyond With cliff And bobo

639
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:11,920
will be right back after these. Messages but, yeah that

640
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,359
that thumb thing with that new that handprint is you,

641
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,519
know cut those two HANDPRINTS i got, recently very very

642
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,799
interesting and very. Suggestive it's kind of teasing me in

643
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,119
a way to think about their hands in a new

644
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,880
fashion THAT i hadn't really approached it, before WHICH i

645
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,039
think is fascinating and it's super. Cool and it's just

646
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,240
another example of we don't know. Everything we don't even

647
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,240
know close to half of this, stuff and the data

648
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,640
that's available is only a small. SECTION i, mean we

649
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,400
probably have two hundred and fifty or more three hundred footprint,

650
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,119
cast but we probably have maybe a dozen or twenty,

651
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,960
handprints so we know significantly, less proportionally less about their.

652
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,799
Hands but what we do know is very very. Intriguing

653
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:58,759
it's super interesting and. Cool right, On so here is

654
00:31:58,799 --> 00:31:59,160
the next.

655
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Voicemail hi, guys this Is rick from The Evolution talk.

656
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 8: PODCAST i live In New hampshire and i'd like to

657
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,799
know your thoughts about sasquatch activity in The White mountain.

658
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:12,759
REGION i seem to recall a story a few years

659
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,279
back about in early morning spotting at a, trailhead BUT

660
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,359
i really don't know of much. Else do you guys

661
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,640
have any data or information to share about the.

662
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,079
Speaker 3: Area thanks enjoyed the.

663
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:23,279
Speaker 4: Show.

664
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,519
Speaker 1: Guys there was a story THAT i told on the,

665
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,319
podcast one of my favorite eyewitness Stories i've ever. Heard

666
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,279
that was from a gentleman in a parked. Vehicle it's

667
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,319
a Jeep Grand cherokee at The Soyer river trailhead there

668
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,119
in The White. Mountains the thing approached his vehicle and

669
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,119
he saw it at pretty close. Ranges it was like

670
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,599
right at the, front kind of near the driver's side,

671
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,880
headlight and he was in the front seat looking at

672
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,599
it through the. Windshield so, YEAH i know there's a

673
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,119
lot of you guys have probably taking a lot of

674
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,240
reports from, there but that might be the one he was.

675
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:54,079
Referencing they were one of my favorite Reports i've ever.

676
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: Heard, YEAH i don't pay too much attention because it's

677
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:57,960
so far from. ME i, mean we did do an

678
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,640
episode out, there WHICH i thought was. Interesting AND i

679
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,000
will also say that The White mountains in general seemed

680
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,680
to me like that whole area of The northeast strongly

681
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:11,400
resembles like The Pacific, northwest but maybe at three quarter,

682
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,519
scale like everything's smaller, there but it does look like

683
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,799
great habitat and fantastic for our critters. There so, YEAH

684
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:20,960
i was very very impressed with.

685
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: It, YEAH i, mean they're definitely. There we spoke some great.

686
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,759
WITNESSES i, mean there's always reports coming out Of there's

687
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,640
constantly reports coming out of. There it's way viable, habitat

688
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:33,240
it's great. Habitat.

689
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah the Reason i'd taken that report THAT i had

690
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,720
referenced IS i don't think there were many, people if,

691
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,200
any during the time THAT i was in THE bfro

692
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,400
that were active In New, hampshire and so maybe some

693
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,960
of those reports had been published by people from adjacent.

694
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,839
States BUT i was looking at places to potentially travel

695
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,720
to and that was one of the ONES i was interested.

696
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,920
In SO i was digging into the database and there

697
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,319
were a lot of like unpublished. Reports this would have

698
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,519
been twenty twelve or twenty, thirteen AND i found that

699
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,640
one in and spoke to that witness and was just

700
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:03,960
completely blown. AWAY i was driving when he called me.

701
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000
BACK i was driving back from the field From georgia

702
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,239
To South. Carolina it was one of those times THAT

703
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,119
i so. WISH i was, like, MAN i should pull

704
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,400
over the car and like dig out my audio recorder

705
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,639
and throw fresh batteries in it because it was such

706
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,920
an amazing. Story BUT i had spoke to the guy several,

707
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,039
times but again like very close.

708
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: Range he saw.

709
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,639
Speaker 1: It it just a few feet away and a really good

710
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,239
look at. It so that made me want to go

711
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,679
out there even more so maybe one of these.

712
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 4: DAYS i, mean THE bfl has like three hundred and

713
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,119
fifty reports from there over.

714
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: Total it's not to be pretty good. THEN i, mean

715
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,559
even if half of those we sightings or in the

716
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,519
other half were questions or, something still pretty.

717
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: Good, yeah that's. Good.

718
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah there's another little area, there a little smaller. RANGE

719
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,440
i guess it's probably still a subrange called The. Ossipe

720
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,920
it's Either ossipe OR Osipi i've never heard it, Said

721
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,199
i've just read. It but it's really. Interesting like there's

722
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,480
a land feature. THERE i think it's called like a volcanic.

723
00:34:59,599 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 5: Ring.

724
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: Dive it's not quite like a, caldera but it kind

725
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,719
of sort of. Is it's like the remnants of an old.

726
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Volcano it looks like just like a big giant. Crater

727
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:11,840
but there were some reports THAT i took from That

728
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,679
Ossipee range too that were really. Interesting but if you

729
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,679
look that up on Like Google maps with the terrain,

730
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,239
feature you'll see. IT i think there's a few of

731
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,440
those volcanic green dikes around that part of The, northeast

732
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,800
but that one in particular In New hampshire is really good.

733
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,599
Speaker 4: Too so if.

734
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,039
Speaker 1: If the caller is interested in places near The White,

735
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,440
mountains i'd check that out.

736
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,119
Speaker 4: Too Crystal, PACK i think SHE'S i think she's a

737
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:36,760
member EVEN i think she listens to the podcast for.

738
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,559
Sure she's THE bufo investigator for up, there so she'd

739
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,719
be a good person to get a hold. Of she's

740
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,199
taken like she's covered way over half the reports for that,

741
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,559
stage so she'd be a great. Contact you already.

742
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: Been john Willcrom squatchatoosets has been on the podcast several.

743
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,679
TIMES I, MEAN i Know massachusetts isn't quite the, same

744
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,000
but those states are so small up there That i'm

745
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,519
sure he has some information on that kind of.

746
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: Thing, YEAH i think the person that's very active that

747
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,880
probably has a lot of information because he lives there

748
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,320
and has such a big platform that he probably gets

749
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,360
a lot of local. Reports to Be Alex. Petakov oh.

750
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:13,599
YEAH i don't know how easy he is to get

751
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,199
a hold of because he's always in the back country

752
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:18,559
and always on the road filming stuff for small town

753
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:22,119
monsters and sort of filming his field. Investigations But i'd

754
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:24,440
Say alex probably has a lot of good insight and

755
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,599
reports there as. Well, yeah that we talked about. It

756
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:29,000
just like a couple of months. Ago there was that

757
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:33,159
wonderful footprint cast out of that area as, well one

758
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,360
of the Best i've, seen, honestly it's just. Fantastic so

759
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,199
there's great stuff happening back, there BUT i guess not

760
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,239
a lot of people are publishing it or. SOMETHING i don't,

761
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,039
know OR i just am so focused on The Pacific

762
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:45,800
northwest it's hard for me to pay.

763
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,639
Speaker 3: Attention and the reports are pretty pretty well across all,

764
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,480
all like the whole state's got a pretty even distribution of.

765
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,079
Speaker 4: Reports it's not like if you look when you look him,

766
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,239
up it's not just like all piled up in like

767
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,960
one or two. Counties it's like spread out like all

768
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,159
across the, state.

769
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,119
Speaker 3: Which isn't helpful if you're looking for. Him or maybe

770
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,239
it is because they're. Everywhere But i'd rather have a

771
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,360
bunch of stuff from two areas at LEAST i know

772
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:11,639
where to.

773
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 4: Look, yeah, YEAH i Tried Crystal Panic pa and E.

774
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,599
K she's On facebook and. Stuff she's a way hip

775
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,599
that she was that. Close she came to the town.

776
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: Hall OH i can't remember.

777
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,039
Speaker 1: That, yeah we met her at the the twenty eighteen

778
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:28,519
squat A chusetts event as.

779
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: Well, YEAH i. DON'T i don't know the kind of ram.

780
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,639
Me my memory is devoted, to you, know useless jingles

781
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:36,320
WHEN i was ten years old and. STUFF i can't

782
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,360
remember people's names or my password to my bank account

783
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,199
or anything like. That so, Right i've got too much

784
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,400
useless information to store versus things that might actually matter to.

785
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,440
Me so there's no hope for.

786
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:51,599
Speaker 1: Me so thanks for that. Question and here is your

787
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:56,639
next written. Submission that one's, you bobs Uh Connor.

788
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 4: Watson what auto recording devices do you recommend for a?

789
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Fee old? Work how much?

790
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: Money, Actually i'm not even sure the money. THING i, guess,

791
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,920
YEAH i guess. It maybe it does matter a little.

792
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,519
Bit but even with something for, anybody, really no matter

793
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,159
how much money you, have does mean you want to

794
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,159
spend it or you're willing to throw it. AWAY i

795
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:19,239
think a great a great unit is like these little

796
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,920
task scam D r something or, others.

797
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: The d D r SEVEN, xps that's WHAT i just.

798
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Got their.

799
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: Killer, yeah they're they're, small they last all night long

800
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,199
on two double a's and if you can use rechargeables in,

801
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,880
those you, know you're set, man and they record for

802
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,719
probably ten twelve hours or. More they're, handy they're they

803
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,840
the audio quality is. GOOD i think those are. Fantastic

804
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,679
and they're like one hundred, bucks so they're relatively. INEXPENSIVE

805
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,239
i know one hundred dollars is a lot of money

806
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,199
for some, people but for a.

807
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,119
Speaker 4: Little more than, that they're they're like they're like two,

808
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,199
hundreds two. Hundred not the ONES i was. Flying the

809
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:57,000
prices of it are. Up the ONE i got for

810
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,039
one seventy. Nine but then like you, know you gotta.

811
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: Get, like, oh, oh you know WHAT i was, using

812
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,679
the TASKM dr FIVE. Xp those are the ONES i,

813
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960
use And i'm looking at them right. Now for one

814
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,719
hundred nine bucks brand, new.

815
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 4: Those sevens are way better than.

816
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: It, OKAY i can't find anything wrong with THE o.

817
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,239
FIVES i guess you. Know that's that's the Position i'm.

818
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,639
IN i use THE o Fives in, FACT i kid you.

819
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,679
NOT i THINK i have three or four of, them

820
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:27,480
and they weren't just great two Double a's powers at

821
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,440
all night. LONG i used, like If i'm on a,

822
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,719
Trip i'll use, rechargeables And i've never had an issue with,

823
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,199
them and, HONESTLY i don't treat them nicely at. All

824
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,800
i've left them out in like light rain and things

825
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,519
like that. Before they've never failed. ME i would go

826
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,000
with the TASK MDR o FIVE. Xp that's WHAT i personally.

827
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,320
Use bobo likes the fancier, one BUT i Guess bobo's

828
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,000
flush with money and he can afford that sort of,

829
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,760
stuff SO i just. Care maybe that's what it. Is, Yeah,

830
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,199
well for someone like me who just doesn't, care the

831
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,960
five works absolutely. Fantastic the audio quality is, great they're less,

832
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,639
Expensive i'm less afraid about ruining, them and the battery

833
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,199
usage is very. Reasonable so that's WHAT i like to.

834
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,199
Speaker 1: USE i still have the Same zoom h two that

835
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,559
have had since like six or seven and it is

836
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,679
still rocking and. Rolling they still make that. LINE i

837
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,159
just saw an ad for like the newest of The

838
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,360
zoom eight series. Models but they're, handheld super high.

839
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 4: Quality you.

840
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,519
Speaker 1: Know they TAKE sd cards and just DOUBLE a TRIPLE a.

841
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,159
BATTERIES i mean mine takes double As i'm assuming that's

842
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:34,480
still what they. Take so they're really easy to use

843
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,440
for days on end at the, field just swapping out

844
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,920
cards and. Batteries but they're super. Sturdy LIKE i, Said

845
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,400
i've been using this one for almost twenty years and

846
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,639
it's still rocking and.

847
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:48,199
Speaker 3: Rolling stay tuned for More bigfoot And beyond With cliff And.

848
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:57,679
Bogo will be right back after these. Messages so here

849
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,719
is the last. Voicemail hey, Boys nick from Upstate New.

850
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,679
Speaker 7: York first, time long, time haven't missed that episode since

851
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,239
the first. One drop love the, Pod. BOBO i got

852
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,880
a cameo for you for my mom For. Christmas you crushed,

853
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,880
it but you message asking where we lived and if

854
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,440
you give any, updates AND i didn't get back to

855
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,360
you in. Time we're short drive to The catskills At,

856
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,880
Arondecks whitehall And western Mass so just curiously you've heard

857
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,440
anything here. Lately, Cliff thanks for making out to The

858
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,519
New york Big Foot conference last. Year it was awesome

859
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,719
meeting you in, person and your presentation was a perfect

860
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,960
way to wrap up the. WEEKEND i was just Reading

861
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,719
krantz's book and he talks about synthetic hairs being staged

862
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,679
in The Blue mountains in the. Eighties just curious if

863
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,079
you had more information on. That seems like a tough

864
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,960
thing to stage where people would find him. Consistently And,

865
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:40,800
MATT i talked to you once on the phone WHEN

866
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,599
i joined THE nawac for a short. Time you told

867
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,280
me about an ENCOUNTER i believe In New. HAMPSHIRE i

868
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,639
believe it was like early dawn and they were sleeping

869
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:51,840
in their car and they saw. Something just curious if

870
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,440
you could tell that. Again that was. Awesome. Thanks, boys

871
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,159
have a good. One can't wait to. Listen where do we?

872
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: Start would, say, You, bobo you have any sage his?

873
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,239
Forum based on where he's.

874
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,639
Speaker 4: At did we lose? Him, no he's. Muted oh, YEAH

875
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,719
i JUST i just gave a great answers to get

876
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,039
that prove.

877
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: It well that's all you get. There, Sorry, nick, YEAH

878
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,320
i hope you Enjoyed bobo's. Answer.

879
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 4: Yeah just. Uh when the last TIME i was back,

880
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,480
there this Guy ANTHONY i was. With we we just

881
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,239
he hunts and we just, looked and he found a

882
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,599
place that he's hunted and he, goes it's really small

883
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:32,719
and it's it's surrounded by like small. Towns it's it's

884
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,440
not super. Isolated and we went there and there was

885
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,920
like a square mile of woods and then there was,

886
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,159
like you, know like some connecting for, us like going

887
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:42,960
through the farms and, stuff but it was it was

888
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,760
it was mostly a solid. Farmland we went in there

889
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:48,760
and he didn't hunted there twice or, something and he,

890
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,320
goes we were. Looking he, said there's a lot of deer.

891
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,360
There so we went in there and sure enough that

892
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,800
we got. Killer WHEN i did my, call we got

893
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,719
a killer. Callback we heard the full Like siero sound

894
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,119
top fucking mumblely jumbalie stuff like singing voice kind of.

895
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,880
Talking but that was just a random, spot like no

896
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,920
reports there anything like. That we just we just went

897
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,920
with a deer where he'd seen a lot of deer

898
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,920
and they were. THERE i can't remember the name of the.

899
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,960
Place it was just a little tiny like gamers are.

900
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Plays what about? Eclip what about the dye now.

901
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:24,039
Speaker 3: Question, yeah dinel fibers are a natural or unnatural you,

902
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,000
know fiber some sort of they're like a plastic sort

903
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,719
of contaminant sort of. Thing my understanding is that they're

904
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,480
often used in mattress stuffings and that kind of, Stuff

905
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,320
like they're like a polyester and nylon sort of. Thing

906
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,760
and they are very very common In North american forests

907
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,679
actually because people throwing out their mattresses or trash and you,

908
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,360
know and and they can get into the, air the,

909
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,800
soil the. Water it's it's pretty bad actually in a

910
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,920
lot of. Ways it's one in, FACT i BET i

911
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,920
would imagine as these things break down over great lengths of,

912
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,639
time they contribute, great like huge amount of the microplastics.

913
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Issue but they Are they're quite common in the, woods

914
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,840
quite common in the. Forest so WHEN i think it

915
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,760
Was nick, Right nick said they were staged in the,

916
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,679
Woods i'm not sure that's so sure that they were

917
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,360
planted in the, woods because that was A Paul freeman.

918
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,079
Find And Paul freeman actually had found quite a few

919
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,480
hair samples in the, woods SO i know he was

920
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:27,239
out there collecting. It and, ACTUALLY i KNOW i have

921
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,760
photographs of a number of hair samples That Paul freeman

922
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,920
actually did, collect and those were. Hair so this guy

923
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,400
was out there just collecting the things that he thought was.

924
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:38,880
Hair and the fact that he collected an artificial Fiber

925
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,840
dinelle fiber in this case and submitted it for testing

926
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,800
just meant that he thought it was. Hair he wasn't

927
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,840
trying to fake. ANYTHING i truly don't believe he was

928
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,920
trying to fake. Anything you got to remember now That

929
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,800
paul was fairly. Unsophisticated you, KNOW i Was Michael freeman,

930
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:57,119
again one of my best. Friends i've been learning About michael's,

931
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:01,119
Father paul for quite a. While, paul i, imagine probably

932
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,320
just didn't know any better in the same sort of

933
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,599
way that people often submit old man's beard and other

934
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,760
lichens and that kind of thing which are natural that

935
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,320
are not they're just not hair for hair. Analysis they

936
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,719
just don't know any better because it looks like. Hair

937
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,599
And paul was on fire For, bigfoot of, course so

938
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,360
if he found anything that resembled hair in an area

939
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,360
that he thought sasquatches, were or maybe an association with

940
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,880
trackways or something like, that he would absolutely collect. It

941
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,119
so and of course when that WHEN i got out that, like,

942
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,400
oh these aren't even, hair these are. Microfibers and of

943
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,719
course the you, know The bigfoot police started, yelling oh my,

944
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,000
god he's trying to fake. Things these aren't even, hairs

945
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,960
blah blah blah, blah AND i, said, no, no just, relax,

946
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:42,480
man it's. Cool he weighed a.

947
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Mistake it's just crazy to think that he would plant

948
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,639
those and then submit them for testing knowing that someone

949
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,280
would figure out that they were. Plastic you, know, like

950
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:56,000
if he was planting those, hairs it make more sense

951
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:58,360
to you, know show them to people in a ziploc

952
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,679
baggie or take pictures of them and show them to.

953
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,440
People but you, know you'd be a terrible hoax or

954
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,920
if you submitted your hoaxed hairs for like, analysis.

955
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,519
Speaker 3: Yeah by like scientists who could tell the. Difference, yes

956
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,039
like he. Was he was. NOT i, said he was rather,

957
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:20,199
unsophisticated but by no means would that imply that he's

958
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,480
dumb or unintelligent in any. Matter in any, Way he

959
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:26,880
absolutely was. Not he was apparently a very very clever

960
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,280
gentleman who was very intelligent and stuff that he wasn't educated.

961
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Necessarily there's a big difference between those two. THINGS i

962
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,480
THINK i personally think he had trouble reading on top

963
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,159
of it as. Well in, FACT i know he had trouble,

964
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,559
reading but looking at his writing on the back of

965
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,440
footprint casts and some other material THAT i, have if

966
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,639
he was in my, CLASSROOM i would have referred him

967
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:51,880
for testing for. Dyslexia but that just means that he

968
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,639
probably had a lot of trouble in school and he

969
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:55,639
didn't read a lot because it was so difficult for.

970
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,239
Him and remember he's of the, age he's older that

971
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,480
he would have been much older than. Me and WHEN

972
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,440
i was, young they didn't really test so much for.

973
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:05,239
Dyslexia you, know it became a thing much later on

974
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,320
was it was recognized as a learning disability for a

975
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,679
lot of students. Anyway But, yeah this whole thing Where

976
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,719
paul has been accused of hoaxing hair, SAMPLES i think

977
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,800
is just. Nonsense it's just nonsense in the same sort

978
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,840
of way that he's been accused of hoaxing footprints and.

979
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,159
Whatnot and it's, like, well that just shows me a

980
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,280
number one is people are taking the word of other

981
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,599
people as gospel instead of investigating it for. Themselves and number,

982
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:36,960
two they're just unfamiliar with the actual evidence that The

983
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:40,840
freeman and The Blue mountain evidence consists. Of you, Know

984
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,039
that's what it shows to, me Because i'm one of

985
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,000
the lucky few that Actually i'm pretty familiar with the

986
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,679
depth and breadth of The Blue mountain. Evidence and it

987
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,159
seems awfully weird to me, that you, know hair, samples

988
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:57,320
some of which looked very very, good were, submitted and

989
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,119
fake hair samples were, submitted And paul did both thinking

990
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:03,599
that They're. Sasquatcher it's just kind of. DUMB i think

991
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,039
this is a dumb idea that's out there in The bigfoot.

992
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,159
World but you know how The bigfoot world is just

993
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,559
so gossipy and everything like. That people love a good

994
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,639
salacious story to spread around and whatever, else and too

995
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,199
much of it has been spread about The Blue mountain

996
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,559
evidence in my, opinion like if people is talking or

997
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,159
people are talking smack about The Blue mountain, evidence most

998
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,239
likely they are unfamiliar with The Blue mountain.

999
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: Evidence and To nick's last, question it's. Funny you, know

1000
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:32,199
when these come, IN i just save them and bank.

1001
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,280
Them SO i hadn't realized until we were, recording especially

1002
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,880
since it's been a couple of, weeks that there were

1003
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,159
two questions about that New hampshire. Siding so to your last, Question,

1004
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,000
nick to make a very long story, short the individual

1005
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,440
was coming out of the forest there but got back

1006
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,719
to his, vehicle which was. Parked it was the only

1007
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,920
vehicle at The Sawyer river trail head, there kind of

1008
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,880
Near heart's location if you look that up in The White,

1009
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,760
mountains and it decided rather than driving all the way

1010
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,679
BACK i think he lived in The Greater boston, area

1011
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:00,679
didn't want to drive all the way back at, night

1012
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,360
so he just got in the driver's seat of his

1013
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,960
jeep chair key and cracked the windows a bit so

1014
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,920
there wouldn't be, condensation and leaned the seat back a

1015
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,079
bit and went to. Sleep and he woke up as

1016
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,880
the sun was. Rising the sun had not crusted the horizon,

1017
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,280
yet so it wasn't bright and gold. Yet it was

1018
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,199
more like that bluish sort of. Twilight you could see

1019
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,639
this thing across the little parking, area which is basically

1020
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:25,239
like a gravel, turnaround and it made a beeline for the.

1021
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,440
Vehicle after he had watched it for you, know moments

1022
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:32,440
seconds or something like, that and he had the impression

1023
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,400
that it was coming around the driver's side like it

1024
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,880
was going to reach for his, door and so he

1025
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:38,880
had his keys in the ignition and he was going

1026
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,079
to reach up and flip over the keys to turn

1027
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,440
on the, accessories to turn on the, headlights to stop,

1028
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:46,360
it to scare. It and he said on his key

1029
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,519
ring was a multi, tool like a Little swiss army,

1030
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,599
knife and his hand bumped, that and that bumped against

1031
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,400
the steering, column and the thing froze like a statue

1032
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,840
right at his driver's side. Headlight so you just be

1033
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,440
away from him as he's sitting. There and then he

1034
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,400
said it sort of relaxed and stood up to its

1035
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,440
full height because it was crouched over and bit down

1036
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,880
as it, approached and it just stood there looking at, him,

1037
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,760
basically though he, said maybe in retrospect it couldn't see

1038
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,360
him in. There maybe it was just seeing like the

1039
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,360
reflection of the sky on the, windshield because it was

1040
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,400
just kind of looking in that general, direction looking through the.

1041
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Windshield but he was, inside frozen, stiff staring at. It

1042
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,119
and he said he could see a lot of detail

1043
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,639
about its build and, musculature and he realized in those

1044
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,599
seconds that he's looking at it that it was wet

1045
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,039
and the hair was clinging to its. Skin it must,

1046
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,400
have he, thought it must have swam across The Soyer

1047
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,159
river to get to that. Spot so they're having this

1048
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,199
sort of stare, off and at some point it looked

1049
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,639
back towards the tree. LINE i think he, said there

1050
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,039
was a sound across the, river and it looked in that,

1051
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:51,760
direction and he said when it. Did what he described

1052
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,079
to me was that he had a strong familiarity with

1053
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:57,760
human anatomy because in, college although he was not an

1054
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,159
anatomist or a biology, student he did take an art

1055
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,320
class that included doing. Nudes and he, said it's part

1056
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,719
of the study for doing, nudes he had to memorize

1057
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,119
all these elements of the human, body and all the

1058
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,280
bones and the interactions of these. Muscles and so he,

1059
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,079
said the way that it's, traps you, know the muscles

1060
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,199
that sort of connected its head to its, shoulders those

1061
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,280
big massive traps that people, describe and the soft tissues

1062
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,760
like tendons and, ligaments the way that they moved when

1063
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,000
it looked in that direction and looked back towards, him

1064
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:32,840
he said it was so unhumanlike and, freakish like out

1065
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,960
of this world that it sent him into a. Panic

1066
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:36,960
he said that was the scariest moment of the whole,

1067
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,760
thing when he, thought, like what is? This what AM

1068
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,280
i looking? At and it briefly looked back in his,

1069
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,719
direction and then he said it turned on its, feet

1070
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,679
and his, words he, SAID i could hear the gravel

1071
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,079
like pulverizing under its feet as it, pivoted and then

1072
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,079
it walked away very. Casually and he said when it

1073
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:56,719
approached the vehicle in that, crouch it was almost dead.

1074
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,360
Quiet he, SAID i could, hear you, know the birds

1075
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,119
start nature because someone was coming. UP i could hear

1076
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,199
the water of the. River he, SAID i couldn't hear this.

1077
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,400
Thing but when it, left he, SAID i heard the

1078
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,559
gravel pulverize under his. Feet and when it walked, away he,

1079
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:13,280
said his words were something, like, dude it sounded like

1080
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,480
if you took gravestones and dropped them on the, ground like,

1081
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:19,159
big multi hundred pound, gravestones.

1082
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:19,639
Speaker 3: Just, boom boom.

1083
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: Boom and he SAID i could feel the reverberations of

1084
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,039
its footfalls through the floorboard of the. Jeep it was

1085
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:29,599
that big and heavy and just went back towards the

1086
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:32,280
river and was, gone and he cranked the, vehicle and

1087
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,960
he said he came tearing out of there at like

1088
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:36,679
fifty five sixty miles an, hour still in four wheel

1089
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,599
drive on these forest service, roads and was in a

1090
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:42,960
total total panic can freak. Out and IF i remember,

1091
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,800
correctly he said it was like two or three weeks

1092
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,000
before he realized, like, oh that's the same kind of

1093
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,639
animal that other people see in other parts of the

1094
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,840
country that they called bigfoot or. Sasquatch but he, said

1095
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,880
at first he was, LIKE i don't know what that.

1096
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:56,639
Was it was like a thing from another. World it

1097
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,840
was just so novel and strange and. Frightening but in a,

1098
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:01,760
nutshell that's that.

1099
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 3: Story stay tuned for More bigfoot And beyond With cliff And.

1100
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,159
Bobo we'll be right back after these, messages.

1101
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,039
Speaker 1: And so we'll do one more written submission here before

1102
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,159
we roll over To. Pigeons this will be a fun.

1103
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 3: One, Okay and this one comes From Jack. Smith if

1104
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,639
there was a mount rushmore being developed for Great bigfoot, researchers,

1105
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,440
who in your, opinion should be the four researchers, Enshrined.

1106
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 4: I'll go Green, Sanderson belgrum and let's See Belgium sanderson

1107
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,800
and there's a lot Of now there's a lot of

1108
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,679
names flood into my.

1109
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:55,079
Speaker 1: Mind i'm Going, Green, Krantz, Meldrum, Binder, Nagel.

1110
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: That's WHO i. HAD i had exactly that same.

1111
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: List, YEAH i Love, sanderson BUT i THINK i Think

1112
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,119
krantz should probably be on the rush more and more Than.

1113
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:07,559
Sanderson but, MAN i love That sanderson, book BUT i

1114
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:12,119
Think krantz made more, contributions Although sanderson is. Foundational but,

1115
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,760
Yeah Green, Krantz ben And Nigel, meldrim you.

1116
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 4: Know that's F i was just looking up that stuff about.

1117
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,880
UH i was looking up The Minnesota iceman at sashan

1118
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,800
like and when we were talking about the, hands BECAUSE

1119
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,280
i was going to bringing that up before was the

1120
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,440
thumbs he Was the notes you made on the thumbs

1121
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,320
on The Minnesota iceman didn't really masch like what we

1122
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,400
would think of for. Sasquash did you have you looked

1123
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:38,800
more in detail ABOUT i have. Not, NO i need to.

1124
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,079
Speaker 1: REREAD i have That poivelman's book that was recently TRANS

1125
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:45,239
i say recently in the last like ten or fifteen,

1126
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,920
years was translated Into english That Lauren. Coleman's maybe it

1127
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,039
was his publishing company or he had some hand in

1128
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,639
having that printed for An english speaking. AUDIENCE i think

1129
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:57,079
it's called like The Last neanderthal or something like. That,

1130
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:59,760
yeah BUT i read it and it was pretty. Interesting

1131
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,440
read it right when it came, Out SO i have

1132
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,599
not re read that in. YEARS i should revisit.

1133
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,159
Speaker 3: That what do they say about the? Hand but would

1134
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:07,440
you remember specifically or.

1135
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 4: Oh it's the thumb like the thumb was it was

1136
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,199
bigger in relation to the other, fingers like compared to the.

1137
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,480
Humans mm and it wasn't so like off sods like

1138
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,480
what we see with The. Sasquatch And i'm just looking

1139
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,760
On Google earth where that were that those good spots

1140
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,079
were up In New? York oh, yeah the way Five ponds.

1141
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: Wilderness well that was a couple questions ago.

1142
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,599
Speaker 4: Though, YEAH i just looked it up As, Yeah Cranberry

1143
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,639
lake like five pounds, wilderness not through Their Pigeon lake.

1144
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,840
Wilderness that's that's a.

1145
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:45,519
Speaker 3: Guarantee, yeah speaking of why don't we go head over

1146
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,199
to the members section and we can take care of those.

1147
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,519
QUESTIONS i know they've been stacking up.

1148
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:52,119
Speaker 4: Too all, Right, well, okay, folks thanks for joining us

1149
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,960
at Big foot And. Beyond we appreciate. It hope you

1150
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,960
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1151
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,880
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1152
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:10,480
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1153
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,280
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00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,960
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1155
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:19,840
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00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,800
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00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,039
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