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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the quart Side Quantum Physics Podcast, an exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding begins with the smallest scales.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want you to just, uh imagine the entire

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<v Speaker 2>history of the universe for a second, like that simple

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<v Speaker 2>story you probably learned back in grade school, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole big bang expanding outward kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, There's big bang and then gravity slowly starts pulling

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<v Speaker 2>everything back together. It's you know, it's like throwing a

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<v Speaker 2>baseball straight up into the air.

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<v Speaker 3>It shoots up, but eventually it has to slow down.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But here is the massive twist that changes literally everything.

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<v Speaker 2>The baseball isn't slowing down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's actually shooting upward faster and.

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<v Speaker 2>Faster, faster and faster. And the invisible force that's driving

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<v Speaker 2>this crazy acceleration is what we call dark energy. And

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<v Speaker 2>the scale of this is just mind bending because it

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<v Speaker 2>makes up what nearly seventy percent of the entire cosmos, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Right around sixty eight to seventy percent. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 3>is the dominant feature of reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is wild and For the longest time, science just

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<v Speaker 2>thought this mysterious energy was a fixed, unchanging background feature

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe.

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<v Speaker 3>It's constant cosmological constant. Yeah, that was the absolute bedrock

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<v Speaker 3>assumption for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>But and this is why we're talking about this today.

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<v Speaker 2>Recent discoveries are suggesting that it might not be constant

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<v Speaker 2>at all, might actually be alive in a sense dynamic evolving, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a terrifying and thrilling prospect for astrophysics honestly, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>So our mission right now is to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>happens when the foundation of reality turns out to be

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<v Speaker 2>shifting beneath our feet. And you know how this evolving

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<v Speaker 2>mystery might actually determine the ultimate destiny of existence itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it literally rewrites how the world ends.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But before we get into how dark energy is changing,

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<v Speaker 2>we probably need to talk about what we actually thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was doing in the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Place, the whole illusion of the constant exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So walk me through this. What is the establishment view here?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's all anchored in what we call the standard

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<v Speaker 3>cosmological model. And understand it, you really have to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to.

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<v Speaker 2>Albert Einstein always, back to Einstein.

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<v Speaker 3>Always, so he had this concept called the cosmological constant,

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<v Speaker 3>and the idea was that empty space itself possesses a

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<v Speaker 3>fixed energy density.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so empty space isn't just nothing, it has an

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<v Speaker 2>energy to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. When Einstein was working on his field equations for

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<v Speaker 3>general relativity, the math basically showed that a universe filled

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<v Speaker 3>with matter should be dynamically unstable, like it should either

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<v Speaker 3>be collapsing in on itself or blowing apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Because gravity's pulling all the matter together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. But back in the nineteen tens, everyone including Einstein,

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<v Speaker 3>just assumed the universe was static, eternal, and unmoving. So

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<v Speaker 3>to make his equations work with the static universe, he

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<v Speaker 3>threw in this cosmological constant, a mathematical fix. Essentially, it

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<v Speaker 3>acted as the steady, uniform outward push to perfectly balance

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<v Speaker 3>out the inward pull of gravity.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, So he just added it to make the

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<v Speaker 2>math match what people believed at the time pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course, a few years later Edwin Hubble realizes

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<v Speaker 3>the universe is actually expanding, and Einstein calls the constant

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<v Speaker 3>his biggest blunder. He just drops it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so funny. But then we brought it back didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>We We had to because in the late nineteen nineties

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<v Speaker 3>we realized the expansion of the universe was accelerating. So

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<v Speaker 3>physicists resurrected Einstein's constant. But this time it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 3>balancing gravity, it was completely overpowering it.

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<v Speaker 2>So in this model, does the energy ever change?

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's the key. In this constant model, dark energy

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<v Speaker 3>remains perfectly identical across all of time. As the universe expands,

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<v Speaker 3>you get more empty space, which just means you get

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<v Speaker 3>proportionally or dark energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. So it's a steady, uniform push that just causes

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<v Speaker 2>galaxies to drift apart faster and faster forever exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It offered this incredible mathematical elegance for decades. The equations

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<v Speaker 3>aligned perfectly with everything we observed distant supernovae, how galaxies

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<v Speaker 3>are distributed, even the cosmic microwave background.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get why scientists love that. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>the universe predictable. It's like setting your cruise control on

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<v Speaker 2>the highway.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's a great way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>You said it to sixty five. You expect the car

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<v Speaker 2>to maintain the exact same steady push forward. We basically

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<v Speaker 2>thought the universe was on cosmic cruise control.

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<v Speaker 3>We really did, and they're psychological comfort in that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the equations work so remarkably well for so long,

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<v Speaker 2>what made us start questioning the dashboard like why did

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<v Speaker 2>the cruise control start flashing warning lights?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it really comes down to our instruments getting better.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe wasn't on cruise control, and the transition happened

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<v Speaker 3>when the math just literally stopped adding up.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is what we call the Hubble tension.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the Hubble tension. It is arguably the most famous

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<v Speaker 3>and frankly most frustrating inconsistency in modern astronomy today.

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<v Speaker 2>Break that down for me, what exactly is the tension?

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<v Speaker 3>So we're trying to measure the expansion rate of the universe,

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<v Speaker 3>and to do that we have two completely different, highly

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<v Speaker 3>precise methods. Okay, the first method looks at the really

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<v Speaker 3>early universe. We look at the cosmic microwave background, which

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<v Speaker 3>is basically the afterglow of the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 2>Right from when the universe was super young.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly just a few hundred thousand years old. We take

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<v Speaker 3>that data, apply our standard model of a constant dark energy,

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<v Speaker 3>and fast forward to predict how fast the universe should

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<v Speaker 3>be expanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, and we get a specific number.

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<v Speaker 3>We do around sixty seven kilometers per second per megaparsec.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sixty seven, got it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the second method, the second method ignores the early

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<v Speaker 3>universe completely. It just looks at nearby galaxies. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>we use a cosmic distance ladder looking at specific stars

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<v Speaker 3>and supernovae to directly measure how fast the look universe

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<v Speaker 3>is stretching out today.

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<v Speaker 2>And that gives us a different number, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely different number, around seventy three kilometers per second per megaparsec.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, really, it's a huge gap.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about a nine percent difference. And initially everyone just

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<v Speaker 3>assumed it was human error, right, like a calibration glitch

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<v Speaker 3>or something exactly, a smudge on a telescope lens, some

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<v Speaker 3>dust obscuring the stars, just some kind of experimental mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>It's imagine you're measuring your living room to buy a rug, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you use two different highly precise tape measures. One

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<v Speaker 2>says the room is ten feet wide and the other says.

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<v Speaker 3>It's twelve feet and you check it again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, no matter how many times you check, they give

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<v Speaker 2>different answers. So at some point you have to admit

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<v Speaker 2>the tape measures are fine, the room itself is changing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly the disturbing implication of the Hubble tension. The

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<v Speaker 3>measurements have become insanely precise over the last decade, the

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<v Speaker 3>Hubble space telescope, the Plank satellite. They've practically eliminated the

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<v Speaker 3>chance of this being a statistical fluke.

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<v Speaker 2>So the error is not in the tools.

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<v Speaker 3>No, the tools are fine, which means the universe has

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<v Speaker 3>evolved differently than our foundational theory is assumed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if the early universe in the modern universe

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<v Speaker 2>are playing by different speed limits, the underlying engine, dark

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<v Speaker 2>energy must be shifting gears.

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<v Speaker 3>It has to be. It can't be a constant.

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<v Speaker 2>So what kind of shifting room are we actually dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with here? If the walls are stretching at varying speeds,

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<v Speaker 2>what is causing that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is where we get into some really radical

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<v Speaker 3>new theories. Recent large scale surveys are hinting that dark

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<v Speaker 3>energy was actually weaker or stronger at different periods in

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<v Speaker 2>Which totally breaks the Einstein.

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<v Speaker 3>Model, completely shatters it, and the leading concept to replace

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<v Speaker 3>it is something called quintessence.

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<v Speaker 2>Quintessence, it sounds like a sci fi movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, it sounds a bit mystical, but it's grounded

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<v Speaker 3>in quantum physics. The theory of quintessence is that dark

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<v Speaker 3>energy is not a property of empty space itself. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a dynamic quantum field that permeates the entire universe.

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<v Speaker 2>A field like magnetic field kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a scaler field. And the important thing is that

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<v Speaker 3>it can slowly fluctuate and evolve over billions of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's not a rigid law. It's more like

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<v Speaker 2>a physical substance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly. It treats dark energy like a fluid that

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<v Speaker 3>can have shifting properties like variations in pressure density over time.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, how does empty space have a fluctuating field

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<v Speaker 2>in it? Isn't it you know? Empty?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah? Well, from a quantum physics perspective, empty space is

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<v Speaker 3>never truly.

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<v Speaker 2>Empty, right, because of quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the vacuum of space is actually filled with fluctuating energies.

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<v Speaker 3>You have these virtual particles just constantly bubbling in and

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<v Speaker 3>out of existence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's almost like a boiling pot of water. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>empty space is less like a blank canvas and more

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<v Speaker 2>like this boiling pot, just constantly bubbling with energy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect analogy, and so physicists thought, hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>the energy from all this bubbling quantum vacuum is the

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<v Speaker 3>dark energy.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes logical sense. Yeah, it provides the mechanism for

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<v Speaker 2>the push it.

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<v Speaker 3>Does until you actually try to calculate it. And this

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<v Speaker 3>leads to what physicists call the quantum catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 2>The catastrophe that sounds bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It's widely considered the most embarrassing mismatch in the entire

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, how bad is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, when physicists theoretically calculate how much energy should be

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<v Speaker 3>in this bubbling quantum vacuum, the answer they get is

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<v Speaker 3>larger than the observed dark energy by a factor of

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<v Speaker 3>ten to the one hundred and twentieth power.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, ten to the one hundred and twentieth that's not

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<v Speaker 2>just a rounding error.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a one followed by one hundred and twenty zeros.

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<v Speaker 3>If the quantum vacuum actually had that much energy, the

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<v Speaker 3>repulsive force would be so violent that the entire universe

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<v Speaker 3>would have ripped itself apart before a single atom could

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<v Speaker 3>even form.

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane. So our calculations are just catastrophically.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrong, fundamentally broken. We are missing something profoundly important about

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<v Speaker 3>the fundamental nature of reality.

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<v Speaker 2>But if our calculations are that wrong, why do we

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<v Speaker 2>trust our understanding of quantum fields at all when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the cosmos, Like, maybe we're barking up the

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<v Speaker 2>completely wrong tree.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is exactly what some physicists are saying. Because

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<v Speaker 3>the calculations are so badly misaligned, some people are abandoning

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of an energy field altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, so if it's not an energy field, what else

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<v Speaker 2>could it be.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they're looking for even stranger explanations, like what if

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<v Speaker 3>cosmic acceleration isn't a new energy at all, but a

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<v Speaker 3>sign that we need to modify the laws of gravity.

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<v Speaker 2>Modify gravity? You mean Einstein was wrong about that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Potentially, the idea is that gravity might behave fundamentally differently

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<v Speaker 3>across enormous intergalactic distances than general relativity predicts.

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<v Speaker 2>So on a small scale like our solar system, gravity

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the attractive force might weaken faster than we thought,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like looking at a mirage on a highway. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff exactly like string theory. There are models suggesting our

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<v Speaker 3>Gravity isn't Gravity might be leaking out into these extra dimensions.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, gravity's leaking out of our universe.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the theory, and over huge cosmological distances, that leakage

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<v Speaker 2>Because the rubber band pulling it together is losing its snap.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, it mimics dark energy perfectly without actually needing a

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<v Speaker 2>So what does it actually mean for our understanding of

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because if this energy isn't constant, the ending isn't fixed.

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<v Speaker 3>The heat death is basically a slow freezing fade to black.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Constant dark energy just keeps pushing things apart forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Matter decays into this cold, dark, near eternal emptiness, absolute zero.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like stretching a giant rubber band and it just

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It's bleak, but it's stable.

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<v Speaker 2>But if dark energy is evolving, we get some different options. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like the big rip. Tell me about the big rip.

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<v Speaker 3>eventually overcomes gravity entirely. First it tears apart galaxy clusters,

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<v Speaker 3>No. Months before the end, planetary orbits destabilize, planets are

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<v Speaker 2>The rubber band gets buled so hard that the rubber

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<v Speaker 3>Literally. Eventually, the expansion outpaces the electromagnetic forces holding molecules together,

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<v Speaker 2>So total sub atomic dissolution. That's horrifying. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>third option, right, the big crunch.

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<v Speaker 2>So the rubber band snaps back exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The expansion slows down, stops, and the universe starts collapsing

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<v Speaker 2>It hits you in the hand and hits hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Galaxies collide, the background radiation of the universe heats up,

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<v Speaker 3>basically roasting everything until all matter and energy are crushed

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of physicists think a big crunch wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>just be the end, right, like it could a cyclic rebirth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, cyclic models. The idea is that the big crunch

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<v Speaker 2>Over, which is fascinating. We're gonna have to ask if

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<v Speaker 2>the universe is this evolving dynamic system. Does a cyclic

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<v Speaker 2>rebirth actually make more physic sense or is that just

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<v Speaker 2>human bias? Like we like seasons, we like the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of life and death and rebirth. Does a cyclic model

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<v Speaker 2>just feel better than a one way trip to oblivion?

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<v Speaker 3>That is a phenomenal question. There is definitely a philosophical

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<v Speaker 3>is poetic, but theoretical physics isn't built on poetry. Models

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<v Speaker 3>like the ex pyrotic universe, which uses those colliding brains

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<v Speaker 2>They aren't just wishful thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. But ultimately, the only way to

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<v Speaker 3>these three apocalypses is our actual destiny is through observation.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to map the exact evolutionary curve of dark energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings us to the ultimate problem. We're hunting ghosts

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<v Speaker 2>we need proof. Ah, but how do you measure something

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<v Speaker 2>Dark energy is entirely invisible.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the ultimate forensic astronomy. We are looking for the

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<v Speaker 3>invisible shadows and wakes left behind by this force.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do we actually do that well?

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<v Speaker 3>Cosmologists and for its existence by looking for tiny, tiny

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<v Speaker 3>deviations in large scale cosmic behavior, like what like looking

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<v Speaker 3>at distant supernovae, how galaxies cluster together over billions of years,

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<v Speaker 3>and something called gravitational lensing.

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<v Speaker 2>Gravitational lensing, that's when the gravity of huge objects bends light.

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<v Speaker 3>Around them, right, exactly, Massive structures like filaments of dark

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<v Speaker 3>background galaxies travels to us, it passes through these distortions,

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<v Speaker 3>and the shape of those distant galaxies look slightly stretched

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<v Speaker 2>But the distortion has to be microscopic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredibly subtle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like trying to prove the wind exists, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're not allowed to feel it on your skin. You

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<v Speaker 3>That is exactly what it's like. We look at the

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<v Speaker 3>bending of light to map out where the dark matter

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<v Speaker 3>is because dark matter pulls things together while dark energy pushes.

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<v Speaker 2>Them apart, a cosmic tug of war.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and by mapping this tug of war across billions

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<v Speaker 3>of years of cosmic history, we can reconstruct exactly how

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<v Speaker 3>strong dark energy was at different epochs.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so why does mapping the history of the universe's

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<v Speaker 3>Because if we can see that the push of dark

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<v Speaker 3>energy was weaker five billion years ago than it is today,

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<v Speaker 3>we have proven it's an evolving field. We can plot

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. And we have new instruments coming online to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>EUCLID is up there now mapping the dark universe exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Its entire goal is to map the cosmic web out

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<v Speaker 3>to ten billion light years. And then on the ground

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<v Speaker 3>we have the Vera Reuben Observatory in Chile.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard about this one. It's taking a massive time

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<v Speaker 3>It's unprecedented. It will capture the entire southern sky every

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<v Speaker 3>few nights, generating petabytes of data. It will catalog millions

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<v Speaker 3>of supernovae. By combining data from Euclid and Reuben, we

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<v Speaker 2>It's so much data. We're talking about measuring the shapes

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<v Speaker 3>Billions. It requires supercomputers just to process the images, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's the only way to pin down exactly what dark

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<v Speaker 2>It really forces a philosophical paradigm shift, doesn't it. The

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<v Speaker 2>pursuit of these invisible forces leads to this really profound

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredibly humbling.

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<v Speaker 2>Because, I mean, you think about evolutionary biology. Human brains

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<v Speaker 2>fine food, build shelters, right.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't evolve to instinctively understand the quantum architecture of

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<v Speaker 2>And the humbling truth is that all the visible stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>The real mechanics of reality are governed by invisible structures

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<v Speaker 2>It's historically parallel to every major scientific revolution, right No, Oh, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>like discovering the Earth isn't the center of the universe,

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<v Speaker 2>or that space and time aren't absolute, or that solid

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<v Speaker 2>matter is mostly empty space. Every single time our basic

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<v Speaker 3>And dark energy is forcing the next great conceptual transformation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's introducing the idea of a living universe.

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<v Speaker 3>If dark energy evolves, the cosmos isn't just a passive

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<v Speaker 2>It means reality itself is profoundly unfinished.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. From the perspective of human knowledge, we are barely

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<v Speaker 2>We walk around thinking we've got the universe pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>figured out. I mean, we have smartphones, we split the atom,

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<v Speaker 2>we put rovers on Mars, but we literally cannot explain

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<v Speaker 2>seventy percent of the room we're sitting in.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wild when you phrase it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>How do scientists deal with the psychological weight of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing that every new observation like the Hubble tension just

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, most physicists thrive on it. If we had all

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<v Speaker 3>the final answers, the job would be boring. The mystery

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<v Speaker 3>means the universe is still scientifically vibrant. It means there

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<v Speaker 3>is still profound fundamental physics to be discovered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's job security for astrophysicists exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also means we have to stay humble and

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<v Speaker 2>a second and just recap the incredible journey we've been on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a lot to process.

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<v Speaker 2>It, really is. We started with this simple, predictable universe

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<v Speaker 2>driven by a constant, elegant force. The cruise control was set,

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<v Speaker 2>but as our tools got better, we realized the math

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<v Speaker 2>was breaking. The Hubble tension showed us that the universe

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<v Speaker 2>is stretching at different speeds we explored how this might

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<v Speaker 2>be a fluctuating quantum field like quintessence, causing massive headaches

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<v Speaker 2>for quantum physicists.

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<v Speaker 3>The ten to the one hundred and twenty is power mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the worst prediction in science, and that led us

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<v Speaker 2>to the truly mind bending possibilities that maybe gravity itself

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<v Speaker 2>is changing, or that our universe is bleeding out into

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<v Speaker 2>extra dimensions.

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<v Speaker 3>And all of this dictates whether we freeze and a

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<v Speaker 3>heat death, tear apart in a big rip, or collapse

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<v Speaker 3>in a big crunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is why we have to build these massive observatories

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<v Speaker 2>like Euclid and Reuben, just to hunt for the invisible

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<v Speaker 2>clues left behind. It's an amazing time for cosmology. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we wrap up, I want to leave you with

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<v Speaker 2>a thought that really builds on all this. Okay, am

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<v Speaker 2>ready we talk about the universe evolving, right, We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>that dark energy might be a mutating, shifting force over

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<v Speaker 2>billions of years, almost like a living organism adapting. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if the underlying forces of our universe are capable of evolving,

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean the laws of physics themselves have a lifespan?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, think about it. We treat the laws of physics

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<v Speaker 2>as immortal. But if the rules of reality can die

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<v Speaker 2>and be replaced as these quantum fields shift, what unimaginable

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<v Speaker 2>physics might govern the next version of the cosmos after

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<v Speaker 2>our dark energy has finished its work. Are we just

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<v Speaker 2>living in one temporary iteration of reality?

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<v Speaker 3>That is something that will keep me awake tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy to think about a universe that is still

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<v Speaker 2>actively deciding what it wants to be until next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep looking up
