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your support. All Right, I gotta tell you I'm a

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little I'm a little excited. I'm well, okay, I'm cautiously optimistic.

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Let me temper my expectations here, because I got a

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little bit of good news. It's a little bit of

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good news as reported at the Charlotte Observer by Ryan

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Orley that Mecklenburg County Sheriff Gary not my fault. McFadden

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still has not decided whether he will seek re election.

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Please please, O, please please please, there's still a chance.

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We still have a chance. And I have an idea,

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because you know me, I'm all about solutions, and so

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I have I have an idea on how we might

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be able to improve the situation at the Sheriff's office.

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I mean, I don't want to say we're going to

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save lives here, but we're basically going to save some

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lives this if we can pull this off. Okay, all right,

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so hang on, but let me get to the details

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here in the story. There are three other Democrat candidates

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that have entered the race. The filing deadline is December nineteenth.

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So if sheriff not my fault, McFadden is going to

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run again, then he will have to file before December nineteenth.

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The primary is on March third. He said that he

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to decide sometime this autumn when he visits his childhood

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home in South Carolina and praise and reflects. Okay, and

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then he says, quote, is it necessary for me to

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still do this work?

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Speaker 2: No? No, it is absolutely not necessary.

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Speaker 1: You have earned your flowers, you have earned your retirement.

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You should take the w and ride off into the sunset,

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back to like wherever it is you're gonna retire, or

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if you're going back to your childhood home, or wherever

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it is that you see yourself go like write the

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next chapter of your life. You have won all of

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the awards that you can win. Really, at this point,

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I've seen. It's all about me wall. I've seen it,

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even though you did not. During that interview with the

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Charlotte Optimist publication the other day, like I don't when

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he was saying, I don't need all the recognition on

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my wall, and then he points to the wall where

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there is like and just innumerable number of awards hanging

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on the wall. So but yeah, so like you've already

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won all of these awards. You've you've been recognized, right,

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you've done all this great work. I mean, not any

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sheriff would have been able to put up a recording

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studio in the jail, right, I mean that was a

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big deal. You set up a bookmobile, I think, right,

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it's like that, Just bang up, work man. There's nothing

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else left to do. You've done it all. You've done

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it all, so best to go out while you're on top.

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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 1: He is weighing the parts of the job that he likes,

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namely being in the community. That's the that's the part

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of the jobs. And apparently you are. You're just not

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able to be in the community if you're not a sheriff.

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I was not aware of this, But that's a pretty

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big deal. Now that I think about it, like, yeah,

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if you you know, you're really juiced up about being

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in the community and the only way to be in

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the community is to be a sheriff, then I mean

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it makes sense then that you would have to be

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a sheriff.

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Speaker 2: So that's tough.

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Speaker 1: Like, that's definitely one of the factors to consider here.

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He says, quote, I love what I do. I don't

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love being the sheriff.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: That is a heck of a campaign slogan. If you

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are going to run for reelection, I would advise you

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don't use that. That might send the wrong message there

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that you don't love being the sheriff, the job that

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you asked voters to give you, and you would be

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asking voters to return you to right, so you probably actually,

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you probably should.

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Speaker 2: Not have said that. Do you know?

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Speaker 1: That's he says, I love what I do, I don't

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love being the sheriff because you come with this crazy title.

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I don't even know what that means. Okay, I'm sorry,

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I don't even know what that means. You come with

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this crazy title. Sheriff is crazy. That's a crazy title.

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That's not a crazy title. What are he's talking about?

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I'm confused. Look, you said I don't love being the sheriff.

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You have now given all of the other Democrat candidates,

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and if there's a Republican that's running as well, you've

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given them all mailer material. That is, that's billboard material,

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as they say in the sports world.

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Speaker 2: That stuff is going.

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Speaker 1: To be That line is going to get hung on

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every campaign office wall, It's going to be put in

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all of the mailers, it's going to be put in

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any commercials, any digital ads.

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Speaker 2: I love what I do.

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Speaker 1: I don't love being the sheriff, which does kind of

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actually confirm Yeah, it confirms my suspicion. For almost a

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year now, former high ranking employees have publicly quit, sued McFadden,

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and complained about what they describe as a toxic workplace.

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The Sheriff's wife is not well and has spent time

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in the hospital recently, he said, and negative news coverage

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has been taxing on his family. He again called criticism

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from his former chief of detention quote the ultimate betrayal,

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which that is an improvement because he said the word

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ultimate instead of the ultipole, which we were not clear

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if that was a word. And then we later on

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that no it's not a word, unlike the word flustrated,

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which he did use also, but that actually is a word.

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I mean, it hasn't been used in like one hundred

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and fifty years, but it was. It's a combo word

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of like fluss straight or frustrated and flustered, word frustrated

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and so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So see he's teaching people new stuff, and you taught

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me a new word. Although ultipole is not a word

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but ultimate, so he's using that where the ultimate betrayal, unless,

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of course the reporter cleaned that up for him.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure to join a race now.

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Speaker 1: And add to it all, quote, why don't we just

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sit in our backyard and cook, he said of he

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and his wife. Yes, I like this idea for you.

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This is a fantastic next chapter for you, Sheriff Gary McFadden.

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Great idea, just to hang out, sit on the porch,

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watch the sunset, play with the grand kids. You can

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still it may take some doing. Maybe you can get

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like a special citation or something, or a permit to

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go out in the community without the title of sheriff

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or as you call it, the crazy title of sheriff.

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But you can probably find some place to do that,

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you know, somewhere where you can go into the community

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and do the work that you love. I mean, not

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being the sheriff, because you don't love being the sheriff,

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but you are considering staying the sheriff. So anyway, so

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I had this idea. He says, let's just sit in

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our backyard and cook. I'm thinking gas grill. I'm thinking

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we gift him a gas grill contingent upon his retirement.

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So if you want it, and I'm not saying just

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any gas grill, I'm saying like or I guess it

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could be charcoal or something. Maybe a fire pit, maybe

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a big fire bit that you could cook over. Oh,

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maybe like an oven like the pizza ovens, you know,

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the outdoor pizza oven thing that people built with the

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it's got the fire place in it, it's got a

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brick oven in it. We can get a gas line

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in there. I mean, we could go all out. We're

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gonna have to get some sponsors, probably raise some money.

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Oh you know that probably Actually we're probably not allowed

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to gift an elected officials something like this. It might

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be considered a bribe, which in this case it actually

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would be.

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Speaker 2: That would be what we would be.

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Speaker 1: Doing is to say, if you leave, we will give

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you this grill as part as a retirement gift. Yeah,

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it's probably not allowed. Cautiously optimistic. I am though cautiously optimistic.

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I am all about solutions, and I don't know if

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you're aware of this or not, but there's been some

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focus on Charlotte and North Carolina recently about our public

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safety concerns, which are mere perceptions. I am told by

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Charlotte city officials that people just have this perception of

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a lack of safety, and what they really want to

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say is that you have a misperception that you actually

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are safe, but you just erroneously believe you're not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's what they say.

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Speaker 1: When there's this perception that people have that they're not safe,

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and that means that they're not safe, Like, we don't

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want to minimize the fact that you don't feel safe,

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but you act actually are safe. So we're basically saying

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you're a liar, you're a bit paranoid.

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Speaker 2: And it's the media's fault and all that.

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Speaker 1: So he has some ideas the murders of the Ukrainian

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refugee and an aspiring teacher, brought to lightholes in the

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judicial system, including a lack of bail bond guides from magistrates.

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I've been talking about this for gosh, now it's actually

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been two months. Yeah, A let's see here. I got

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a press release from the Mechlammer County Republican Party that

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I guess an hour ago they held a press conference

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at the Government Center to mark the sixty day.

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Speaker 2: Anniversary.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that word for this, but to mark

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sixty days since the murder of Arena Zarutzka and the

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subsequent wave of violent crime that has plagued Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: They mentioned the the murder of four year old Jace Edwards.

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Speaker 1: That's the little boy that was sleeping at I think

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his grandma's house and some repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat

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offenders showed up to steal a car in the parking lot.

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Somebody in the house turned a light on or something,

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and then some repeat offender just fired off a bunch

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of shots at the house and struck and.

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Speaker 2: Killed this little boy, killed him.

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Speaker 1: And what did we hear the other day the fifteen

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year old with one hundred and eleven crimes in two years,

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and those are just the ones that they charged him with. Yeah,

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so it seems like a bit of a problem. On Monday,

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I went through the MacArthur Foundation and their grants that

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have helped to codify and train people in these quote

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soft on crime policies, and I talked about how the

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bail guidelines are set at the local level, and this

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is done by the judges that are in charge of

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the local district. Some judicial officials may be overwhelmed by

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the number of arrestees that are brought before them, so

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that could be why they're not you know, if it's

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a magistrate or something, and there they've got, you know,

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seventy people in front of them that got arrested on

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a Friday night and they're trying to blow through the

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paperwork and get people, you know, through the system as

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quickly as possible. Maybe they're not doing background checks on

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all these people. Maybe they're not looking at all of

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the information to make a better decision about whether somebody

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is or is not a threat to the community. Right,

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that's possible, But also some of these people might be

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lax in conducting a criminal background check on the arrestees.

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Speaker 2: Why would they be lax?

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Speaker 1: Well, the MacArthur found A has been doing trainings for

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people in the court system, helping them identify their implicit bias, right,

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and so what does that mean? Your implicit bias training

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is usually if like you are a white magistrate and

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a black person comes before you, or if you're a

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black magistrate and a black person comes before you, or

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if you're a Hispanic magistrate and a black person comes

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before you. Oh, I'm kidding, but that's basically what this

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stuff is. It's like, hey, you know what, this is

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a historically oppressed or aggrieved population. They've had all you know,

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as a race, they have had all of these problems

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against them. And so this individual who appears before us,

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we are going to go lighter on this person because

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some other people that shared some genetic similarity with this

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person in the past, hundreds of years ago, they were oppressed.

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So therefore this person now is going to get off

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on his you know, one hundred and ninth arrest. North

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Carolina needs to implement here's the recommend or one of

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the recommendations from William Allen. North Carolina needs to implement

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a statewide systematic guide for magistrates to use when assigning

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bail to an arrestee, and mandate that all magistrates conduct

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criminal background checks, including prior charges, prior arrests, and prior

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convictions on all arrestees that are brought before them. Right,

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so give it to him, like like I want this

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thing to look like a grid, you know, like here

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is the grid. This is like find the charge on

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the left side, how many priors? Here are the different circumstances.

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But here it doesn't need like this can all be

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done digitally. Like I am at the point now with

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this topic where like I would always want to kind

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of defer to the judges because you never know, like

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every case is different. You're dealing with an individual before you.

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and the magistrate is just there to make sure that

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the person shows up for their first appearance, right, that's

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the point. They're not the judge. They just are there

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to ensure that this person shows up for court. And

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they may not have all the information, or the judge

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in charge of their district may tell them, Hey, if

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somebody comes in for this and it's a misdemeanor stalking charge,

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well you know, what Just give them a give them

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a release, cashless spail with a promise to appear, and

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I'm done with this. I'm sorry, guys, you've abused your discretion.

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And now I think the state needs to come in

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and actually set guidelines. And once you set all the guidelines,

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plug them into some program, let AI do its thing

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or whatever. And then somebody comes in, you pull up

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their rap sheet, feed it into the program and it'll

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tell you this is how much to charge for bond.

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And that takes all the racial bias.

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Speaker 2: Out of this stuff. You don't need to do implicit

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bias training anymore. You have AI.

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A text frum, Skip, he says, Pete the sheriff of

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Mecklemburg County, Gary, not my fault. McFadden is saying that

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he likes the power of the job, but not the

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accountability of being sheriff.

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Speaker 2: I think that is accurate.

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Speaker 1: Skip, Wayne says, you are killing it and making me

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laugh out loud about not my fault, McFadden. Well, thank you, Wayne,

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Glad Glad I could provide some comic relief. Here's a

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random seven oh four number who says, maybe that McFadden

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could use three hundred thousand dollars worth of one dollar

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bills to fire up to the grill.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see that's the Chief Jennings.

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Speaker 1: Ah, the gas grill would probably be cheaper than the

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severance retirement go away hush money whatever that the Charlotte

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City Council paid to its police chief. I don't know

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if McFadden would get a similar kind of a bonus

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like that from the Mecklimburg County commissioners, because his is

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an elected position after all.

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Speaker 2: All right, so.

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Speaker 1: This is over at the John Locke Foundation by William Allen,

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offering a proposal statewide bail guidelines as well as background checks.

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He said, you know, last month the legislature passed House

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Bill three seven, called Arena's Law, named after Arena Zarutzka,

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murdered on the light rail line. Josh Stein did eventually

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sign it into law on the very last day that

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he could, and Alan says, while Arena's Law is a

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great first step in protecting the citizens of North Carolina.

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More needs to be done. Two critical needs would be

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to implement a statewide systematic bail slash bond guide. This

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would be a standardized evidence based reference with offense categories.

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It would give recommended bail ranges, and then it would

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give risk factors as part of it. See, and that's

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the thing. Once you compile all of that data and

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you put it into an algorithm of some kind and AI,

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as the kids would say, once you put it into

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a program like that, it could draw from the court records,

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the arrest records, the risk factors based on those you know,

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prior convictions, based on the nature of the charges they

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are facing. Right, it would pull that stuff in, and

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it would not pull in racial information, age information. Right,

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It wouldn't pull in that stuff, So you wouldn't have

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the human bias that we are told is institutional and systemic,

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even in and maybe more so in Democrat controlled court systems,

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which is a bit of a head scratcher. I thought

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they were the party that's against the racism, but yeah,

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I don't know. Then again, it was the Democrats, the

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ACLU that went and argued at the Supreme Court that

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white Democrats refuse to vote for black Democrats in primaries,

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and so they have to they have to have the

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protection of the Equal Rights Act there for the racist

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white Democrats in Louisiana. Anyway, I like this idea statewide guide.

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I would say, put it into some sort of a

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computer program. Somebody needs to develop this, somebody smarter than me,

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although it is my idea. So I'm copywriting it right now.

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Timestamp this audio, Nick, thank you very much, So it's

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So now, if anybody does this, I'm going to get

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a residual. I think that's how that works. I've watched

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a lot of Shark Tank over the years.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Also, he says, mandate that all magistrates in North Carolina

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conduct a criminal background check of each arrestee that is

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brought before them. Now, that obviously is going to impact

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turnaround times. Right, He does recognize that. He goes on

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to say the current process that magistrates in North Carolina

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used to set bail is often based on their own discretion,

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sometimes with very little data. This process can lead to

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inconsistent bail amounts, release of repeat offenders, and public safety concerns.

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Some counties in North Carolina have policies in place regarding

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bail ranges for certain felonies and misdemeanors, although they still

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allow magistrates to use their discretion. The sitting Superior Court

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judge and chief district Judge are the ones responsible for

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setting pre trial release policies for all of the magistrates

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that are in their district right. And if you listen

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to this program, you know this because I covered this

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two weeks ago, I think or three weeks ago. I

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went over some of the things I mentioned. How you

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stalking is something that you can just walk free on

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to continue stalking like that, That's absurd to me. If

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somebody is stalking a victim, you don't let them back

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out to continue the stalking. You need to be giving

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them some sort of a secured bond. He says that

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the judges are responsible for setting these policies so long

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as they do not extend beyond the provisions of the

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Eighth Amendment, which prohibits successive bail and fines as well

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as cruel and unusual punishments. This process, though, is a

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bit problematic because number One, these policies can vary widely

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across jurisdictions, and we heard this also when there was

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the Congressional field hearing held in Charlotte, and there was

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a story told by I think it may have been

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it may have been Tim Moore, the former Speaker of

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the House now a member of Congress, and he talked

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about how somebody got arrested. Oh, it was him, And

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when he came into the studio and he told us

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the story about the guy who was arrested on the

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sexual assault charge at Belmont Abbey College, and he was

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first picked up in Mecklemburg County, and then when they

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went and brought him back to Gaston, he started crying

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because he knew it was a different structure in Gaston County.

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They were not going to let this guy back out

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onto the street. He thought he would be returning to

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the street in Mecklenburg. So that's number one. Number two,

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the policies are often vague enough to allow for broad

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discretion by the magistrates, and so either through incompetence or

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they're just harried, you know, they don't have enough time

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to go do the background checks on everybody or whatever,

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or they have an ideology that's like turn them loose, turn.

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Speaker 2: Everybody loose for justice. Social justice.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: There have to be some guardrails.

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Speaker 1: Now, all right, if you're listening to this show, you

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know I try to keep up with all sorts of

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current events, and I know you do too. And you've

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probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources.

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Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which

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is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's

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an app, and it's a website, and it combines news

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compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out

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at check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. I put

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the link in the podcast description too. I started using

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The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored

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Speaker 2: See for yourself.

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about this pete we can offer, not my fault McFadden,

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a big green egg. Everybody I know who gets one

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goes all in on grilling and smoking like everything, and

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they pretty much disappear into their backyard. It's so true.

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That is so true. The big green egg. We could

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give Gary the egg. And it's green, so it's the

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same color as the as the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's office colors. Right,

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it's green and gold, I think. On the bail stuff,

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Russ says, is it crazy to say bail is only

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for first time offenders? If you have a criminal history,

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no bail. If it's a violent first defense, we could

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hold them at least until we can have a preliminary

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hearing like in self defense cases, and then decide if

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we are comfortable with them being out on preach trial release. Yeah,

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like I'm I'm okay with this idea. Yeah, if you're

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you're brought in and you've got a criminal record within

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the last say five years, you don't get to walk.

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You got to post some money. That is a ramification

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for your prior arrests. Especially And here's the thing too,

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people are getting arrested so often that their cases aren't

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even adjudicated, and they just keep racking up more and

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more and more arrests. So the idea from William Allen

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at the John Locke Foundation is number one, uh you uh,

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We've got to create a statewide bail bond guide. And

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number two, we have to make the magistrates conduct a

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criminal background check of every person that is arrested and

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brought before them. And he highlights the the reasons why

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the limitations of the current system. He says, even though

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current law does not provide a simple checklist for determining bail,

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it does mandate judicial officials to consider a specific list

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of factors when setting pre trial conditions pre trial release conditions.

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Those include the nature of the offense, evidence against the defendant,

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family ties, great show, financial resources, employment, character, mental condition, intoxication,

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length of residence, criminal record, history of avoiding prosecution in

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any other relevant evidence. While the decision for bail is

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always individualized, a few judicial districts use their own worksheets

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as a tool for structured decision making. And it sounds

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like that's what Mecklenberg does. I've seen the chart, so

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and I gave give you some of this stuff from

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the chart. During a bail hearing, the judge or the

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magistrate is supposed to evaluate public safety risks the defendant's

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likelihood of appearing in court, in other words, are they

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a flight risk or not, as well as arguments from

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the defense regarding community ties, why they're not going to flee,

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they have a job, or there are certain details.

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Speaker 2: Of the case.

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Speaker 1: Right to impose a secured bond, a judge or magistrate

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has to first consider the less restrictive options like unsecured

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bond or just personal recognizance release, and then the magistrate

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has to document the reasons for requiring a secured bond,

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especially if it is mandated by local policy. They're supposed

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to fill out this form, but sometimes magistrates don't have

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time to conduct the background check, and sometimes they simply

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choose not to do so.

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Speaker 2: Mandating that would close this loophole.

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Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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