WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:30.920 Welcome to a very special edition of The Pathwent Chile. 2 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.719 I'm Robin and I'm with my co host Jules and Ashley, 3 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.039 and we're going to be doing something a little different 4 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:38.759 from the norm. Many years before I became a true 5 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:42.079 crime podcaster, I used to write freelance articles for a 6 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.920 website called listpers dot com about cold cases and unsolved 7 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.560 mysteries and true crime. Back in April of twenty thirteen, 8 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:54.320 I wrote an article titled ten Mysterious Cases Involving Unidentified People, 9 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:56.719 where I talked about a bunch of John and Jane 10 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:00.399 Does who at the time were unidentified. Well, as you 11 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:02.600 probably know, in the past several years, we've seen a 12 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:06.319 rise of genetic genealogy where a lot of these victims 13 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:09.319 have finally got their identities back. And for a long 14 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:12.400 time they had actually identified nine out of the ten 15 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.079 victims from my original list, and there was only one 16 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.799 hold out. But just very recently they finally identified the 17 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.799 tenth entry on the list. So officially all ten of 18 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.200 the victims on this list have officially been identified and 19 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.079 got their names back. So Jules and I came up 20 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:29.920 with the idea that we should do a series of 21 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.760 episodes about this where I go over the list each 22 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.760 case one by one, I share all the details about it, 23 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:39.040 and then I'll reveal the details about how they eventually 24 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:42.599 came to be identified. So I'll be reading the writeup 25 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.359 of each case and then Jewles and Ashley will give 26 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:47.719 your thoughts, and then I will share the details of 27 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:49.799 how they were identified, and then they will do the 28 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:51.879 same thing again. Do you have any thoughts you want 29 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:53.239 to give before we start? 30 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.920 I want to say it's great to have Ashley back 31 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.760 because we have missed her these last few series of episodes. 32 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:02.439 So why don't you tell the listeners what you've been 33 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:02.680 up to. 34 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:07.400 Ash Oh Man, life, guys, just life. I'm you, guys know. 35 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.319 I'm a mom to a one year old now and 36 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:13.000 started a new job as an elementary school teacher this year, 37 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.599 and so I got all the wonderful crud that comes 38 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:18.280 with that. Every illness my students have I have had 39 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.960 as well. Sorry if I sound horse right now, but 40 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.280 also I've had the pleasure of getting to dive back 41 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.919 into a little bit of my creative side and work 42 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.159 with some high school students and elementary school students around 43 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.919 the state of Arkansas on creative writing projects. And helping 44 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.840 little ones fall back in love with reading. 45 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.520 I love that, Okay, So Ashley, before we recorded, she 46 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.719 told me some of the exercises that she did with 47 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:44.240 her students, prompting them with things like, you know, it's 48 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.680 a rainy, cold night and it's so dark, and there's 49 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.439 a knock at the door, and now write for ten minutes. 50 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:52.479 How fun does that sound? Robin? 51 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.319 Oh, yeah, definitely, That's something I would have loved to 52 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:57.400 have done when I was in school. I know when 53 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.400 I took creative writing in high school and Universe they 54 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.120 would sometimes do that where they would give you a 55 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.879 scenario and just says, whatever thoughts you have on paper 56 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:07.120 and see where it leads. 57 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:09.759 And what was cool is that I told him me, 58 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:11.400 you know that there's a knock at the door and 59 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.120 the person on the other side changes your life forever. 60 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.199 Who is it? And some people used real life narratives. 61 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.240 One little girl had lost her dad and said like, 62 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:20.800 what if it was my dad on the other side 63 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.120 of the door. There was another person who made it 64 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.319 really creative and fun, sci fi esque. There's people that 65 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.080 made it horror humorous, and so to see how these 66 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:31.680 kids each took the same prompt and came up with 67 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.919 their own genre to pull from. It was so moving 68 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:35.560 and inspiring. 69 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:36.000 I love it. 70 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.560 I'm a big nerd when it comes to seeing young 71 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:40.759 people be creative and stretch their brains. 72 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.879 I love that you are shaping the future minds of America. 73 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:45.400 Good luck. 74 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.680 And I wonder if my elementary school and high school 75 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.879 writing teachers wouldever envision that I'd be writing articles about 76 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.360 unidentified deceiteds all those years later. 77 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:59.240 I'm the opposite. I wonder if all my criminology friends 78 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.240 would envision me teaching elementary school. 79 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.800 Yeah, exactly. So now we're going to start with the 80 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.400 first entry on the list, a deceited named little miss Panasafki, 81 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.719 and for many years this was the loan holdout until 82 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:16.160 she was finally identified a few weeks before we recorded 83 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.759 this episode, and a couple of years ago, the three 84 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.399 of us actually recorded a bonus Patreon Minisota about this case. 85 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.879 So I'm anxious to see if you still remember it 86 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.120 and are looking forward to hearing your thoughts. So I'll 87 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.199 start going down the list now, number ten, little miss Panasafki. 88 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:33.199 And here is the original write up that I did 89 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.959 for list fers on February the nineteenth nineteen seventy one 90 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.160 in Sumter County, Florida, the decomposed body of a young 91 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.959 woman was discovered beneath the bridge in Lake Panasafki. She 92 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.040 was believed to be in her early twenties and had 93 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.279 been strangled to death with a man's belt, which was 94 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.720 still wrapped around her throat. She had no identification, and 95 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.040 since no one ever came forward to claim her body, 96 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:57.399 she was nicknamed little Miss Panasafki and laid to rest 97 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.600 in the area. Years later, her body was zoomed in 98 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.759 an attempt to identify her. One of the most curious 99 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.560 discoveries they made was that a form of surgery called 100 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.439 the Watson Jones technique had been performed on her ankle. 101 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.680 She had extensive dental work, and a recent study of 102 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.160 the lead isotopes in her teeth has led to the 103 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.519 theory that she may have been a residence of Labriy 104 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.160 on a fishing port near Athens, Greece. It is also 105 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:23.120 believed that she had given birth to a child that 106 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.680 one point. In spite of these very distinct clues, her 107 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.720 real identity has yet to be uncovered. 108 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.399 These are the cold cases that really interest me because 109 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.360 you look at the details, and just from that small synopsis, 110 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:39.759 there's so many things. As an investigator, you think, let's. 111 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:40.319 Follow that lead. 112 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.839 Let's look for Haya, Where does that surgery get performed, 113 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.600 Where could that dental work have been performed? If she 114 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.600 has a baby, is there someone who's searching for a 115 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.279 missing mom, those kinds of things. There's a lot of 116 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:54.800 details here. That belt around her neck, so we know 117 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.199 it's a homicide and not a potential accident or suicide. 118 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.879 And so in these cases where there is a host 119 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.240 of evidence, and then to know that this was in 120 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.399 the seventies and it wasn't even she wasn't even identified 121 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:10.040 until a couple of weeks ago, it really blows my 122 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.360 mind because we've had decades to look back at some 123 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:17.560 very grounded evidence to one just say, who is little 124 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:22.399 miss Panasovski. So I'm very interested to hear more. I 125 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:26.439 briefly remember doing this Patreon, but I would love to 126 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.519 hear more about what happened to this young lady and 127 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.240 what her remains were eventually identified. 128 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.240 As I remember when we covered this case, and there's 129 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.720 something so heartbreaking about a young woman being discarded like trash, 130 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.480 and just the fact that the belt was still around 131 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:47.480 her throat. That resonated with me for some reason, I'm 132 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.319 not sure why, And I'm really glad that this final 133 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.680 holdout was finally solved and she was given back her identity. 134 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.759 How did you feel when you heard that the last 135 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.920 of the holdouts was finally salt dropping. 136 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:00.639 Oh? 137 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.920 I was just a static because I've been waiting for 138 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.160 them to identify her for a long long time. And 139 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.600 what was interesting is that one of the reasons I 140 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.360 felt there was a hold up and identification is because 141 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.319 of this theory that she was originally from Greece, because 142 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.560 Europe does not have the same laws for genetic genealogy, 143 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.199 and for a while, they theorized that she might have 144 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.439 been an exchange student who was sent over to the 145 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:26.279 United States to work and probably had no living relatives there, 146 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.879 which meant that even if you entered her DNA into 147 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.240 a genealogy system in North America, it might not match 148 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:37.600 any relatives in Europe. But surprisingly the isotope tests analysis 149 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.680 that they performed which made them think that she was 150 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.879 from Greece, it turns out it was completely wrong, because 151 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.680 it was announced that she had been originally born in 152 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.680 Maine and was an American citizen. They finally made the 153 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:52.319 announcement on October twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, the Sumter 154 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:55.519 County Sheriff's Office announced that little miss Panasofki had been 155 00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:00.319 identified as Marine Minor Rowan, who went by the nickname Cookie, 156 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:02.920 which is how they referred to her and I like 157 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:05.959 I said. She was originally born in Maine and had 158 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.399 been living in Florida at the time of her disappearance 159 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:11.399 with her husband, Charles Emery Rowan, who went by the 160 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.319 name Henry, as well as her two children, so they 161 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.000 were at least right at that part that she had 162 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.920 given birth to a child at one point. But it 163 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.480 turned out that because of the embalming fluid they had 164 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:24.639 used in her body, that it probably affected the isotope 165 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.040 testing and that's why it had this wrong false positive, 166 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.920 making everyone believe that she was from this fishing village 167 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.919 in Greece. And it turned out that they didn't actually 168 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.960 have a full DNA profile for because she had been 169 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.919 buried for so many years the evidence had deteriorated, so 170 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.519 they actually identified her old school with fingerprints. It turned 171 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:47.720 out that she had actually been arrested at one point. 172 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:51.480 I think for shoplifting, but because she was originally discovered 173 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:54.679 in the nineteen seventies when technology wasn't all that great, 174 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.279 they weren't able to make a match. But in recent 175 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:01.600 years they had done this updated nash Old fingerprint database 176 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.960 with all these digital copies of old fingerprints from arrest 177 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.320 records which had been entered into the system, and they 178 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:12.080 wound up trying little miss Panasofki's prints entered them into 179 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:15.080 the system, and it wound up being matched to Marine 180 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:19.440 Cookie Rowan, who had been arrested shortly before her murder, 181 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.720 and that's how they were able to finally identify her. 182 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.399 Now, when she went missing, and did the husband and 183 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.399 or the children through out time did they report her 184 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:30.360 as a missing person? 185 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.879 It does not look like it. And they've announced that 186 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.360 her husband, Emory, that apparently the marriage was not in 187 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.080 a good place at that time. They were separated and 188 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:42.399 Emory died in twenty fifteen, and they named him as 189 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.120 a person of interest because when you see the way 190 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.720 she was strangled, it almost looks like it was personal. 191 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.320 And it's tempting to believe that if he killed her, 192 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.159 that he deliberately made a choice not to report her missing, 193 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.639 but At the moment, they don't have enough evidence to 194 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:59.559 formally declare him as a suspect. It's still an act 195 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.039 of Homa side investigation. And I haven't heard anything from 196 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.200 the two children yet. I think they've been staying out 197 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:08.440 there the spotlight thus far, so I have no idea 198 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:10.919 how they reacted when their mother went missing. I have 199 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.960 to wonder perhaps if maybe Emory just told them that 200 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.200 she ran away or something like that, and they had 201 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.759 no idea that she was dead until very recently. 202 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:23.320 It's giving Jewel Kayler vibes if Jewel Kayler and Dottie 203 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.120 Kaylor had a couple of kids. 204 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.559 Yes, And it's also you might remember, Jules that a 205 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.840 couple of years ago, we did an episode on the 206 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.080 murder of Ruth Marie Terry, who was also known as 207 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:37.600 the Lady of the Dunes. She was an unidentified murder 208 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:40.480 victim who was found in Massachusetts in nineteen seventy four, 209 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.799 and in recent years they identified her. And of course 210 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:47.120 she was in a bad marriage and her estranged husband 211 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.480 pretty much never reported or missing, and even though he 212 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.799 died several years ago and will never be charged by 213 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:57.279 the they did a new investigation and pretty much concluded that, yeah, 214 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:00.600 all the evidence points towards her husband having been the killers, 215 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:04.279 so we're closing the investigation and are confident that he 216 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:06.360 was the one who was responsible. So I have to 217 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.080 wonder if upon further investigation, they're going to do the 218 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.399 same thing with Emery Rowan, and that even though he's deceased, 219 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.639 they're going to say, yeah, we're pretty confident that he 220 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:17.759 murdered Cookie and we can close the investigation. 221 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:21.639 Well, unless she had a history of actually abandoning her 222 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.720 children and leaving, even if you were a strange from 223 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.399 your spouse, anyone with a sound heart and mind would say, 224 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.759 I want my children to have their mother in their life. 225 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.159 And so if she went missing, even if as a 226 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:36.120 as a spouse or ex spouse, you weren't interested in 227 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.840 knowing where she was for your children's sake, you would 228 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.080 think you'd still file a missing person's report, And you'd 229 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.879 think he would want assistance where he got help with 230 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:48.399 his kids. So there's a woman who I maybe don't like, 231 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:51.519 but she helps me raise my children. To not report 232 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:55.000 her sends off huge red flags. Almost screams like I 233 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.080 wanted her gone so that I don't have to fight 234 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:59.320 for my kids. I don't have to share my kids, 235 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.759 I don't have to give her money. And so that's 236 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.200 a very very very strong probability that he had something 237 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.480 to do with it because he didn't report it. 238 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:09.799 Yeah, that would make sense to me. I mean, innocent 239 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.080 until proven guilty. But like you said, even if he 240 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.399 didn't really care for his wife anymore, I'm sure he 241 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:17.919 should still want his children to find out what happened 242 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.879 to their mother. So and of course, back in the seventies, 243 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.759 if there was no direct evidence of foul play, it 244 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.879 was sometimes really hard to file a missing person's report, 245 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.000 And because her family lived in Maine at the time 246 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.720 and she was murdered in Florida, I'm sure there were 247 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:35.559 a whole bunch of jurisdictional issues that prevented them from 248 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:36.840 reporting or missing as well. 249 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.120 It makes me wonder what her life was like in Florida, 250 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.639 because you'd think that if you go missing, there's going 251 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.519 to be people who are going to go where are they? 252 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.120 And the fact that he was able to get away 253 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:54.720 with Cookie being gone and not filing a missing perfins 254 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.679 report that did she not have any friends? That we're 255 00:12:57.720 --> 00:12:58.879 asking questions? 256 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.120 I have no idea that haven't released that information yet, 257 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.879 but I do wonder the same thing. I don't know 258 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.080 how long she'd been living in Florida at the time, 259 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.799 if there was anyone else who wondered what happened to her, 260 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:11.879 But it could be that maybe she didn't have anyone 261 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:13.919 else in her life in Florida besides her husband and 262 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.279 her children, and if they don't do anything, then you 263 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:19.120 can understand why she would slip completely under the radar. 264 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:24.000 We could maybe infer, if he is indeed guilty allegedly, 265 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.000 that if you were going to murder your wife via strangulation, 266 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.039 he could have been abusive prior to that. Those who 267 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.840 strangle typically there is a history of abuse, so there 268 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.759 could have been some type of isolation. And if cookie 269 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.840 didn't have any connections, there was nobody close by who 270 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.240 would notice that she was missing. That would make it 271 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:45.559 really easy in the nineteen seventies to cover up a 272 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:46.200 crime like that. 273 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.120 Oh definitely, And that's exactly what happened in the Ruth 274 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:52.360 Marie Terry case, where the husband murdered his wife while 275 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.000 they were on vacation in a state that they didn't 276 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.320 have any connections to, and then he just pretty much 277 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.559 moved back home and went on living his life and 278 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.399 his Her family was powerless to do anything about it. 279 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:05.039 They could not report her missing because they didn't know 280 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.320 where she went missing from. It was just a lot 281 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.480 easier to get away with murder back in the seventies, unfortunately. 282 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:12.960 So one more thing I wanted to mention is that 283 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.759 I became familiar with this case when it was featured 284 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.559 on Unsolved Mysteries back in the early nineteen nineties. And 285 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:21.159 I have to give it a lot of credit to 286 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:23.559 the Sumter County sheriff at that time, his name was 287 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:27.000 Jamie Adams, because she had pretty much been forgotten about 288 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.159 after her body was found. She was buried in a 289 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:32.840 pauper's grave. But then when Jamie Adams was elected Sumter 290 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.360 County Sheriff, he was looking through the old files read 291 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:38.679 about little miss Panasofki and he actually said during his 292 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.200 Unsold Mysteries interview, as a daddy and a granddaddy myself, 293 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.480 I couldn't stand the idea of this young woman having 294 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.120 a granddaddy or daddy who didn't know where she was. 295 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:51.679 So he took the initiative to exhume her after twenty years, 296 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.639 and that's where they got the DNA, the fingerprints, all 297 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.039 the forensic evidence, and paved the way for her being identified. 298 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.919 And sadly, Jamie Adams passed away in twenty twenty two, 299 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.559 so he didn't live long enough to finally see Cookie 300 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.000 get her name back, but he gets all the credit 301 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.360 in the world because otherwise, if he had not taken 302 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:12.639 the initiative to exhume her, she probably would have been 303 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:16.639 completely forgotten history. So our next case on this list 304 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.080 is one that Jules and I actually covered on a 305 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.639 Patreon miniso just a couple months ago, and that's this 306 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.799 Sumter County mystery couple. So I'm going to read the 307 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.519 write up right now. It's another Sumter County, this one 308 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:32.360 in South Carolina instead of Florida. But on August the ninth, 309 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.360 nineteen seventy six, the bodies of a young man and woman, 310 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.360 both believed to be between eighteen and twenty two years old, 311 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:41.559 were found on a secluded dirt road. They had both 312 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.960 been shot to death, and a local resident claimed they 313 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.600 heard the sounds of gunshots and a vehicle speeding off 314 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.159 shortly before the victims were found. Neither the male nor 315 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.679 the female had any identification or money on them. Even 316 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.279 though they had no money. The victims both wore fairly 317 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.559 expensive looking jewelry and had extensive dental work. Months later, 318 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.360 a witness came forward who believed he had crossed paths 319 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:05.919 with the couple at a campground. He said the male 320 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.320 claimed that his name was Jock and he was traveling 321 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.039 through the US because he had been disowned by his father, 322 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.679 who was a prominent doctor in Canada. Not much is 323 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.440 known about the female, but the authorities have speculated that 324 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:20.840 the couple may have actually been brother and sister. In 325 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.080 spite of these leads, no one has ever come forward 326 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.519 to claim the victim's bodies, and the identity of their 327 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.080 killer is also unknown. 328 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.279 This case really haunted me, and I think it was 329 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:36.519 because obviously, when there's two individuals, to think that neither 330 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.039 of them had their identities back, that two people could 331 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.279 go missing and that their remains would be there, but 332 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.600 their families wouldn't know what happened to them. And I 333 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.480 think because there was that whole story was like there 334 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.159 was a question of whether he was fabricating the story, 335 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:56.440 whether it was the whether the person remembered correctly, if 336 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.960 it was the same people that they saw. But two 337 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.399 things that I remember stuck out to me, and that 338 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.279 was the expense of dental work. As we all know, 339 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:07.599 dental work doesn't come cheap, so that would speak to 340 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.000 people that were cared for when they were younger. And 341 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:13.519 since they were fairly young, then wasn't like they were 342 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.519 outside sleeping rough or at least if they were, it 343 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.319 wasn't for a long period of time. And then another 344 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:22.240 thing was the motivation for the crime. So we know 345 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.640 that they didn't have any money found on them, but 346 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.559 the fact that they were wearing rather expensive looking jewelry 347 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.200 I thought was really interesting. So it made me think 348 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:36.200 was there another motive? Was rape the motive? Was there 349 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:39.440 something else? Because are you in such a hurry that 350 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.480 you're just going to take the money? If you're on 351 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.079 a secluded dirt road, I would think that that would 352 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.799 provide you with enough cover in order to be able 353 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.400 to take the money out of the wallets and then 354 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:50.720 also take the jewelry. 355 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.440 I agree one thousand percent. When you look at this 356 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.359 when there's two people, so two families possibly or one 357 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:01.039 if they're brother and sister, but two families potentially are 358 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.079 missing one of their loved ones, and like you said, 359 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.119 they're young eighteen to twenty two. So let's say an 360 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.000 estrangement had occurred, it wouldn't have been a very long 361 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:15.079 estrangement because they are still dressing very nicely, They're still weary, 362 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.960 nice jewelry. You can tell that these are people that 363 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.759 are not quote throwaways or runaways that you would see 364 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.640 in other traditional cases where identity is really hard to 365 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.960 discover because they don't have things like don't work, they 366 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.720 don't have records of medical care. But these individuals did. 367 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.720 You could tell that someone had taken care of them 368 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.039 and that they were getting help and living a seemingly 369 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:40.920 normal life, and then all of a sudden you find 370 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.960 their deceased bodies, like jewels said, with jewelry still on them. 371 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:47.599 I have to go with what she was saying where 372 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.920 it looks like something else motivated this. Maybe there was 373 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.039 a ploy to say give me all your money, and 374 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.799 so the kids are emptying their pockets and give cash. 375 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:59.440 But then that really wasn't the intent, and so whatever 376 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.079 crime was really the purpose happens after that fact. But 377 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.559 it wouldn't take you more than two minutes to slip 378 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:08.000 rings and bracelets off of somebody or a watch off 379 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.359 of the man and they just left that. So it's 380 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.799 a very very intriguing case. Are there two families that 381 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.759 failed to identify and report that they're looking for these 382 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:19.559 two young people. 383 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.079 Well, they did do DNA testing to confirm they were 384 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.960 not brother and sister because there was no genetic match. 385 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.599 And for the longest time I was really intrigued by 386 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.400 the idea that he may have originally been from Canada 387 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.799 and that his name was Jacques. We just talked about 388 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.640 the dental work, and there was kind of a stereotypical 389 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:39.599 theory that maybe he was a former hockey player who 390 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.519 had lost his teeth playing in Canada and that's why 391 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.240 he got the dental work done. But they finally did 392 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.039 identify them. On January of twenty twenty one, they held 393 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.319 a press conference and announced that the victims were twenty 394 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.359 nine year old James Paul Fruned and twenty four year 395 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.759 old Pamela May Buckley, who were not from Canada. And 396 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:01.680 what's also weird is that once the families found out 397 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:05.079 about the identification, they both claimed I didn't even know 398 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.599 the other, Like James's family did not know Pamela. Pamela's 399 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.480 family did not know James, and so They still a 400 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.480 big mystery about how these two originally met because they 401 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:18.720