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<v Speaker 1>A twenty eight to fifty five KRCD talk station. Happy Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that time of the week where we get to

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<v Speaker 1>do a deep dive. It's the Daniel Davis Deep Dive.

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<v Speaker 1>Search for it you'll find a podcast and the retired

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<v Speaker 1>lieutenant colonel loves talking about Ukraine and this in Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Daniel, my dear friend. Good to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Tuesday morning. Tell you how are you, Brian. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing well. I'm doing really well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I help me make sense of this. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>says we need to stop you and we want the

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<v Speaker 1>war to end. I mean, he says it over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again. He wants to stop the war. I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope the war gets ended. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>see loss of human life anymore. And I sure as

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<v Speaker 1>hell don't want to see billions and billions of additional

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<v Speaker 1>dollars flowing into Ukraine. And you and I have talked

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<v Speaker 1>many times about the virtual, if not genuine, impossibility of

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine prevailing over Russia, and Russia keeps making more and

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<v Speaker 1>more inroads. That's established. So Trump told reporters last week,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see that war end.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do a deal with Ukraine, where they're going to secure

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<v Speaker 1>what we're giving them with their rare earth and other things,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning the minerals. And they have a very large mineral

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<v Speaker 1>supply in Ukraine from what I understand, so they have

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<v Speaker 1>something to bargain with. But that sounds like in return

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<v Speaker 1>for US giving them more weaponry, they're at least gonna

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it with with minerals. Is that doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like an end of the war. That sounds like an

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<v Speaker 1>extension of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's it's really unspecific what the administration intends

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<v Speaker 2>with the deal, a deal to do what that's what's

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<v Speaker 2>literally not been speculating, either by Zelensky or by Trump team,

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<v Speaker 2>because on the one hand, it seems to me and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to read between the lines, that Trump is saying

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<v Speaker 2>that we're gonna help you guys achieve an end of

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<v Speaker 2>the war. I won't say peace, but certainly an end

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<v Speaker 2>of the war on terms that maybe you can like

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<v Speaker 2>as long as I get something out of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see him even implying Trump I'm talking about that

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<v Speaker 2>he would continue to support the war to get minerals,

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<v Speaker 2>that there would be some kind of a military victory

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<v Speaker 2>for them. So that's the way I think, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the most plausible, even for Zelensky, if he

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<v Speaker 2>can hang on to anything. I think the hope is

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump will negotiates some kind of an end of

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<v Speaker 2>war termination deal that is at least tolerable to the

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<v Speaker 2>key of side.

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<v Speaker 3>But Brian, I don't think that there's a deal like

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<v Speaker 3>that to be had.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that everybody, from Zelensky to Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else who's trying to get this kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>deal is going to be surprised how it turns out.

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<v Speaker 3>If that is what they're thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would imagine, you know, we rebuilt Germany and

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<v Speaker 1>we've been trading partners with them since World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>that after this war is concluded, however it gets concluded,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you and I agree that it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to require some major concessions of land to the Russians,

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<v Speaker 1>but that we would be a trading partner with what's

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<v Speaker 1>left to Ukraine, we'd be happy to buy their minerals.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, certainly, I think that's what he's trying to bank on.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is if the deal doesn't also include

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian side of this, and if they're not also

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<v Speaker 2>in agreement with how it turns out. That's where the

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<v Speaker 2>big disappointments are going to come in at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>The majority of where these theoretical minerals actually are or

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<v Speaker 2>potential because there some of them were literally married, buried

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<v Speaker 2>miles under the ground. So it's not like they can

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<v Speaker 2>just go to the bank and make it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a withdrawal of these minerals, and it takes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of lead time, and I mean it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be multiple years before you could actually mine enough of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, reprocessed it, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>And a majority that's under areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Already controlled by the Russians, and the way things are

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<v Speaker 2>going there even more that's gonna be done. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to make a deal because you want to

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<v Speaker 2>get something for the United States afterwards or whatever you're Zelensky,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to make a deal, you also have to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to look at the other half of that equation.

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<v Speaker 2>Will the Russians agree to that deal? Because right now

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<v Speaker 2>they're in a position of power to they can come

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<v Speaker 2>closer to dictating terms than anybody in the West.

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<v Speaker 3>Or in Kiev.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, fair enough, it's not gonna get over today.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that Daniel Davis pivoting over Hamasa's I guess

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<v Speaker 1>through with the deal. They claim Israel violated the terms

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<v Speaker 1>of conditions of the ceasefire. What has been troubling me

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<v Speaker 1>is they freed twenty one hostages and they're not in

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<v Speaker 1>very good shape, as we saw the other day. They

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<v Speaker 1>have obviously been starved and mistreated. But the Israelis have

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<v Speaker 1>given up seven hundred and thirty Palestinians. They were supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to give several hundred more this weekend in return for

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<v Speaker 1>three more of the hostages that Hamas is holding, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think some are speculating, I believe Donald Trump himself

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<v Speaker 1>wondering whether the many of those hostage are even still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>given the poor condition of the ones they released.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, there's been a strange way for these hostages

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<v Speaker 2>to come out. You may recall that when I think

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<v Speaker 2>the first batch of four women hostages were released, they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually in very good help. So it seems that

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<v Speaker 2>there is the Palestinians for or the Hamas rather for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever their own motives are. Feed some and treat some

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<v Speaker 2>well and some not. It seems like the men were

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<v Speaker 2>not treated well and the women were. There's some reports

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<v Speaker 2>that the Palestinians were saying, Hey, you know you've been

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<v Speaker 2>starving us, You've been even the food for our people,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're gonna do the same thing to your hostage

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<v Speaker 2>as something like that. But it's it's really hard for

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<v Speaker 2>me to see how the Hamas side benefits from slowing

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<v Speaker 2>this down and changing three for as you said, they

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<v Speaker 2>could get hundreds more in return. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what their play is here, but it's again you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about leverage and who's got it. They don't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of leverage and not much to gain

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm seeing, So it's a bit of a head

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<v Speaker 2>scratcher for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they're really inviting Isra to launch military action again.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's I mean this, you know, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>already a lot of talk about that that's what's coming anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump is not been very shy about talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that he's gonna help Israel. And there's a

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<v Speaker 2>huge i think like nearly seven billion dollar new aid

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<v Speaker 2>package talking about going out the door. So it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem that Hamas would have some motivation to help that

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<v Speaker 2>along to their demise, So maybe there's something else going

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<v Speaker 2>on here. I can't see because what we can see

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't really make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and something else doesn't make a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. Each Trump's talking about owning Gaza, and

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<v Speaker 1>he speaks about it in pretty stark terms. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to pivot over to it is a nightmarish

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<v Speaker 1>landscape in Gaza. All the images we get out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it just seems uninhabitable.

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<v Speaker 3>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's one thing that the West

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<v Speaker 2>needs to get a deeper understanding of, and especially Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and his negotiating team, that to the Palestinian people, even

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<v Speaker 2>that landscape, that hellish landscape that Trump accurately describes, is

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<v Speaker 2>their identity. And you know, Trump was saying, look, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see this stuff, how would anybody want to live there?

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<v Speaker 2>We want to give them a nice place somewhere else

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<v Speaker 2>in Jordan, Egypt, elsewhere to go to. But it's not

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<v Speaker 2>about where you you know, the kind of living you

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<v Speaker 2>want to have. It's about where their ancestral homeland is.

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<v Speaker 2>So if people think that they will willingly go somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>for a better land, I think they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed because they don't want to go anywhere else. They

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<v Speaker 2>just want their land, and right now they're apparently willing

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<v Speaker 2>to die for So we need to be sure we

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<v Speaker 2>understand how serious they are about not wanting to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the Egyptians and Georgianians are full on

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<v Speaker 1>record saying they don't want the Palestinians even for a

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<v Speaker 1>short period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>And because people don't understand also that and I was

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<v Speaker 2>looking at some re horts literally just a few minutes

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<v Speaker 2>before we came on air, that Jordan has taken in

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere close to three million Palestinians over the years already,

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<v Speaker 2>and another nearly one million Syrian refugees from that civil war.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they are bursting at the seams.

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<v Speaker 2>They simply can't take anymore, certainly, not in any large numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Trump's thinking he's going to pressure in which

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<v Speaker 2>I think he said to Brett Bear on that Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl interview, I don't think that they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to. And apparently King Jordan, King of Jordan, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk to Trump I think as early as tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do believe he's in town for a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>here in Washington, d C. If I read that correctly, Abdullah, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, And finally looks like Tulsa Gabbard's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get it, gonna get the approval. And I know you

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<v Speaker 1>feel pretty good about that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's heading to I think that the Senate had

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<v Speaker 2>what they call cloture yesterday that's basically paved the final

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<v Speaker 2>way the final vote will be I think like just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of hours from now, and by all estimations

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<v Speaker 2>are she's going to pass through that and then be

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<v Speaker 2>sworn in as the Director of National Intelligence tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that'll put a smile on your pace based on

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<v Speaker 1>all the comments you've made on the morning show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it should do, you know what, It should

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<v Speaker 2>put a smile on everybody's face in America because, as

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<v Speaker 2>I say, I think that's the best pick that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>made of any of his senior advisor positions the government

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<v Speaker 2>because of her her capabilities to do the job.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to be a big win for

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Every Tuesday in the fifty five Casey Morning Show, The

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Davis Deep Die with retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis,

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<v Speaker 3>bless you.

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