Speaker 1: The Separate Country of Washington was where all of the
madness of gender denial was launched. It was launched at
the YWCA and Pearce County. They were the first to
allow men to go shower with boys and girls.
Speaker 2: I broke that story years ago.
Speaker 1: There's another first coming out of the Separate Country of Washington,
the first statewide complaint file the Justice Department, a civil
rights complaint against the entire state. And this matters because
there's been districts that have filed these complaints, but then
that has to roll up to the state level. This
is directly addressed to the entire state. And it is
a set put. It's a volleyball term.
Speaker 2: It's a set put.
Speaker 1: For Pambondi, all she has to do is respond. Bill Sullivan.
His daughter, Sadie.
Speaker 2: Sullivan joined me. She's a swimmer.
Speaker 1: Bill is a veteran and they are part of this
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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these
are the times in which God has decided we shall live.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by.
Speaker 1: Bill and Sadie Sullivan, father and daughter from the separate
country of Washington, States, where the entire approach to putting
men into women's locker rooms and in fact into girls
locker rooms got started, and they have fire held a
lawsuit against the entire state of Washington. It's a title
nin ensued. It's the first one to take on the
entire separate country of Washington. And guys appreciate you coming
on the show. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you Todd.
Speaker 2: It's great skip, Thank you, Sadie and Bill.
Speaker 1: I want to get Sadie to your story and what
you've observed in what you've experienced, But let's start with
Dad kind of framing up this lawsuit. I went and
learned that your local media back there in Sherilane County
is stunned and amazed to find out that a guy
can have more than one lane in life. They make
a point every time to speak of you. He's a
hydrologist by trade, because hydrologists aren't allowed to have opinion.
So talk about the lawsuit a little bit and why
you wanted to file it, and then we'll chat with Sadie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, so you know, little point of clarification.
Speaker 5: It's a it's a complaint Title nine complaint filed with
the Office of Civil Rights of Federal Department of Education,
and it's it's filed and drafted by the Washington Parents Network.
And so Sadie and our complainants on there. I am
representing her, as are some other parents whose daughters have
been harmed by the States violations of federal law.
Speaker 2: Got it? So complaint not lawsuit? My bad?
Speaker 1: And what caused you do want to follow this complaint
to be part of this complaint at the Washing purchase
networks too?
Speaker 4: Sure, it was well started. It started about a year ago.
Speaker 5: So there's a very smart individual, David Spring, who's, you know,
just a very accomplished pro say litigator. He's an educator
by trade, but he's a patriot, and so he and
I were talking last year, and he asked me to
join a lawsuit that we were going to get seek
an injunction against the Biden changes to Title nine, which
would have codified in federal law biological boys participating your
girls sports and in girls' locker rooms, et cetera. And
so we were going just about to make a stand
against that, and it was taken care of before us, essentially,
you know, at the federal level. So the next step
then is to stop this madness here within the state
that's in clear defiance to federal law. And you know,
we feel like it's our obligation to stand up for
women and girls around this state and put a stop
to this.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And Sadie, you are a young woman in fact speaking
to us from a swim meet, and hope you're doing
well and enjoying that and let's say hear the results.
But you're in this generation that you've watched girls around
you be affected by this.
Speaker 2: You just some degree are.
Speaker 1: But tell us what you see from your vantage point,
because a lot of us are so old we can't
remember what it was like to be Rachel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I'm a multi sport athlete. I mean
I used to play hockey. I did track, I'm not
doing it this year, but I'm mostly focused on swimming,
which is my main sport, and so obviously I spend
a lot of time in the locker rooms and just
hearing these different stories of obviously the girls competing against
the guys. Fortunately I haven't had to go through that,
but I mean I have at my school. I've ran
into boys in the locker room and it's just it's
like it's not a great feeling. It's very surprising, and
what is the feeling. It's just it's like almost like
you're in shock. It's like, did I really just see that?
Because it's not supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these are boys who don't take care to
cover their bodies.
Speaker 6: What was that? No? No, no, Fortunately I had to
feel but there was in for this. Sorry this case,
it was actually a girl. But I was at a
swim meet last year, yeah, in California with my Zones team,
and there were rumors of a boy in the locker
room changing into a swimsuit and I guess girls like
saw him with no clothes on and stuff like that.
But it turned out it was a girl who had
actually had gone through surgeries, and she was trans to
be a guy, and the story was she wasn't comfortable
competing with the guys yet.
Speaker 5: So somehow she figured like she didn't measure up cod
and they had removed their breasts and they had constructed
from her forearm some type of artificial penis.
Speaker 1: Right, And that is utterly all these surgeries are utterly brutal.
What's so fascinating to me is it's always the person
who is either gender defiant or gender denying or truly
struggling with gender because they're not all the same thing
that it is always their comfort that matters. That this
person with a fake penis wasn't comfortable being with the boys,
so that person gets to make the girls uncomfortable, right,
And there's been cases of abuse, we know this In
state of Virginia. There was a case where a boy
who got to pretend to be gender fluid twice sexually
assaulted girls and a father was kicked out of a
school board meeting, arrested, thrown to the ground by cops
because he had the audacity. They need to say, you're
covering this up. As I'm sitting here in Portavarta at
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Speaker 1: Citie, have you seen the same thing where it seems
to be the people who are gender confused or defiance
that they're the ones that matter? Is that the way
it is in Washington State, that it's always their concerns.
Speaker 6: Yes, very much so. Actually, we complain to our school
about these because it happened more than once. It happened
about three or four times or even more. I think
there was multiple complaints from other girls at school, and
the school's response was basically telling us to we can't
do anything about it. You guys are more than welcome
to use the faculty bathroom, which we do not actually
have access to or just figure something out.
Speaker 4: On our own.
Speaker 1: Figure something out on your own as to where to
relieve yourselves if you don't have access to the facultive
athroom they're pretending you can use.
Speaker 2: And what is the state of mind.
Speaker 1: Of kids who know this is wrong but are afraid
to speak out?
Speaker 2: Like, what's that like for them?
Speaker 1: Because I got to imagine there's whispering where your friends
are going, Hey, Sadie, I'm glad you and your dad
are doing this. I'm glad for watching Parents's Network. But
what's it like in those conversations where there's girls who
just are afraid.
Speaker 6: Well, it feels like an underground an underground society, I guess.
I mean there's girls that are completely I know one
of my closest friends is completely against it, and she
just is. She won't speak up and she won't say anything.
And I mean, to me, it seems so easy just
to go and report and report and report so we
can get so we can get some sort of action hopefully. Yeah,
but it's just yeah, it's amazing to me.
Speaker 3: Bill.
Speaker 1: You probably raise your daughter the same way I did.
If someone touches you in a way that makes you uncomfortable,
You come and tell me. If there is a boy
or a man making you uncomfortable, you come and tell me.
And so as a father, like, how do you deal
with other fathers who are silent in the face of this?
Speaker 3: You know, I.
Speaker 1: Deeply dislike and try not to hate, because as a
Christian man, I'm so still love my enemies. The people
who are driving these ideologies are evil. The people who
are silent in the face of this, Like, how do
you deal with other dads who just shut their mouths
and pretend they don't see the bad man in the
locker room?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've they've turned in their man card. You know.
Speaker 5: The problem is, uh, you know we were talking earlier
about my political activity or whatever at the local level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not uni dimensional. There's multiple things.
Speaker 5: Because if I see an injustice, especially as it pertains
to children, I'm obligated as a man to do a
capable man to do something about that. That's my charge.
And I don't understand people that wouldn't do that. I
don't have a lot of respect for people who wouldn't
do that. But we saw that during COVID, the entire
medical industry just laid back and watched the entire uh
you know, medical industreet get turned upside down. Military leadership
sat back while we destroyed hundreds of thousands of troops,
the health and lives for them, And so it's just endemic.
I don't know why there's so few people that will
step up. I'm just a dad that's had enough, you know,
I'm I'm a dad. Is like like maybe like like
like John Rambo in First Blood, right where he went
in berserk and ran.
Speaker 4: Off in the woods.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's but instead of coming and shooting up the town,
I'm wanting to make change, you know, through policy and
holding local politicians accountable.
Speaker 4: And so that's what we're doing. And it just I
look at my kids.
Speaker 5: I look at every kid with just this just a
love and a sense of protection, And I don't know
how every man doesn't feel that way to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And with does complaints and the civil rights complaints. What
is the mechanism of hope, I mean, what can happen
since it's not a lawsuits, what can be the ultimates
relief here?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, personally, I don't think it's a matter. Oh
it's going to happen.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know the supremacy clause of the Constitution, guarantees
of federal law, Trump's state law where there's a constitutional conflict,
and so you know, the states can enhance the civil right,
but they can't take one away. And here they are
clearly taking away civil rights of girls. Tile line was
established to codify fair treatment for girls and women in
sports and academics, and that fair troup includes separate locker room,
separate bathrooms, separate sport leagues, maintenance of their expectation of
reasonable expectation of privacy. So clearly the state of Washington's
that you know going is in violation. This is a
state policy that's been adopted by every district in the
state that has to allow people into the locker room
as they identify by gender. And so there's no litmus tests,
there's no criteria, there's no checking of their credentials to
allow them. It's just whoever feels like coming into the
boys' locker room or girls locker room will do that.
There are predators out there. There are seventeen and eighteen
year old men in high school that are seniors. There
are you know, teenage boys can be predators. You know,
you mentioned Clouding County, Virginia case. There is multiple rapes
involved in that. There's in Canada there's a fifty year
old man who'd identified a young swimmer like my daughter
and swims and changes in the locker room with girls
as young as eight years old. There's, you know, in
the Washington policy it allows a transgender my biological boys
to go on overnight trips and stay, you know, with girls.
So my daughter goes to State, she stays with a
couple girls or one other girl in a hotel room. Well,
what if that girl is a trans biological mail what
could go wrong?
Speaker 1: You know, gosh, one could only guess what might go wrong.
Washington State is the I think, the most extreme on
all this stuff. There is no parental rights in regard
to medicalization at the age of thirteen, et cetera.
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Speaker 6: I think, honestly, it's a form of compliance in my opinion,
I think putting yourself out there, I mean, knowing that
you're probably not gonna win it, at least you're out there,
you're trying, you're competing. I could never back down because
I'm the girls like me that are super competitive. They're
super competitive, and I've worked this hard to get to
where I am right now, and I don't want to
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if you go out there, you give it you're all
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image of the guy winning against you and you're out there.
But at least you tried let.
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Speaker 2: I love it. It's a great answer. What about this?
What about in the Metal stands that.
Speaker 1: The if a boy succeeds in stealing the gold medal,
that the second place girl put one finger up and
the third place girl put two fingers up.
Speaker 2: Just a simple sign, just.
Speaker 1: Like this, just really quietly like this. What about something
like that, just to say, hey, we all.
Speaker 2: Know we were first and second. Would that be a
cool idea?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that would be a great idea. I
mean I think the right approach to all of that
is to remain humble. I mean, you don't want to
make a big, loud scene. It's just it's just not
going to work. And so I think doing something like
that would be perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think one of the best things we can
do is, you know, show show the photos. The photos
speak for themselves. The guys are bigger, they're thicker, they're taller.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The one that's floating around the internet is from right
here at Cashmere with Arnollie Wilson at the AAU track meet.
You know that the guy standing next to her six
inches taller his legs or twice as thicker.
Speaker 4: He's on the number one stand. She's on the number two.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
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when this all gets started, and I mean the complaints
started and just goes through now this process, I'm going
to bet that you're deeply corrupt and dangerous now, Governor
Sideshow Bob Ferguson, I'm going to bet that he's going
to come and seek retribution against you in some way,
and I'm going to pray the armor of God on
you and God's protection. But he's a guy who is told,
I'm told by people who know him he actually keeps
a full on enemy list. He tried to get me
fired from radio. He tried to my late friends Joy
Montson Fried from radio. He sadly failed in each case.
Are you concerned about what Bob Ferguson might try to
do to you, Bill or to Sadie?
Speaker 5: Well, I know who I work for, and so I'm unintimidated.
You know, we place our trust in God, and you
know we're here to do his his bidding and his
will here on earth and the best we can. And
I know, on firm footing, I know that I'm doing
the best I can with the tools that God has
given me to fight, and so I am regardless of
the consequence.
Speaker 4: So I certainly hope that that wouldn't be the case.
You know, I hope that this is.
Speaker 5: Something that we can deal with in you know, a
political manner, and that they don't have to resort resort
to dirty tricks. But you know, I am a retired
military officer and we do have a few tricks up
our sleeve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. In other words, you're not
a soft target.
Speaker 4: No, No, we're hard to kill.
Speaker 2: Right, got that?
Speaker 1: Like that part, Sadie, If you could sit down with
a boy who is pretending to be a girl, and
let's pretend that there's a person in that in that
position who's actually reasonable enough to have a conversation without
screaming at you trans trans men are women, or trans
women are women, or you know, sloganeering. What would you
say if you sat down and you found that there
was a boy pretending to be a girl who was
actually open to hearing you. So let's maybe he sat
down and said, hey, Ceadie, let me ask you a question,
why does this bother people so much? I mean, I
just want to compete in sports, and I'm a girl,
just like you're a girl.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think obviously there's an underlying issue. I mean,
they're not they're not choosing to do this or be
that way for no reason, there's obviously underlying issues that
they've had. There's baggage that they have in their life,
and that's you got to take that into account too.
But I would just ask what is the purpose really,
what are you getting out of this?
Speaker 2: And he might say, well, what are you getting out
of it? I just want to compete and win medals?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean for me and other girls, it's defeating.
It's like, this is our sport, it's our realm, it's
supposed to be ours, and it's just defeating getting fat
in your own area, in your own realm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a conversation with someone I love who is.
Speaker 1: Living life is the opposite sex, and in that conversation,
God gifted me with something that I think really or
Grapefruit wishes to say. I know that you and I
disagree on something that's very important to you, and I'm
very public about that, and I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: To see you and.
Speaker 1: I am thrilled to hear about your school work and
how your career is advancing. And it's such a blessing
for me to see you happy. And she was so
kind in response to this, because you know, keeping to
not address that is to be at the you know,
the family reunion where drunk uncle Steve is throwing up
and Burn's pretending Steve's fine.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I think that we as a society need to
get really good at in a case or something like that,
looking these people in the eye and saying, look, I
know that this is very important to you.
Speaker 2: I know that you deeply.
Speaker 1: Believe that you are female, and I cannot agree with
you on that because of the biology, because of the neurology,
because of the physics of the body, because definitions matter,
because truth matters. And I hope there's some other things
that can make you happy. And this is a huge
compliment saying I don't hear any hatred from you. I mean,
what do you feel for these people?
Speaker 6: I honestly feel I feel bad for them. There's there's
no hatred. There's, like I said, there's underlying issues. And
I've always been taught to take the higher road and
understand that there's obviously something else going on in other
people's lives, and so that's what I do. I just
take I just look at the bigger picture.
Speaker 5: I just think it's important to absolutely you alluded to
it earlier, but I mean, these are God's children. We're all,
you know, right and so, and we do want to
show love for everybody, but sometimes you just in showing
love you have to establish for boundaries.
Speaker 4: And those boundaries I.
Speaker 5: Think are leave the kids out of this uh no
sexual chemical or surgical chemical mutilation children. Men stay out
of girls' locker rooms, men stay out of girls' sports.
And I would add more and more maybe is you know,
the public is not obligated to.
Speaker 4: Pay for this type of gender affirming care.
Speaker 5: And outside of that, live your life and if you
want to, you know, live a life as a different
sex than that, you're.
Speaker 2: Entitled to that. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a good
way to put it.
Speaker 1: And I extend that, by the way, into women's spaces
because I've seen what some of these men are willing
to do. And you know, we were addressed in the
case of people who are actually open the conversation and
open hearing from us. There are a class of our
species of people, that's the wrong thing to say, a
class of people in this gender madness who are called autogonophiliacs,
and autogonophiles are men who are sexually aroused by fooling
people into thinking their women, or better yet forcing them.
And this is this is ignored largely in these discussions.
But that population is growing and they map so oh
distinctly to sexual assaults, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Has this been addressed at all bill by the Separate
Country of Washington.
Speaker 1: The existence of these men who they're not confused about
their gender, they know what they're doing. They don't seek
they never seek surgery, they never see hormones. They want
to proudly wear their beards and their dresses and have
their male genitalia in female spaces. Is anyone yet admitting
that that's part of this dynamic in the separate country?
Speaker 4: No, that absolutely, that's not done.
Speaker 5: And here in this school, the state school policy, which
again has been forced adopted by every district in the
in the state, there is there's no test, there's there's
nothing that to differentiate those, you know, who identify versus
those who are just maybe getting off on this. We're
talking about you know, teenage boys. They would do almost
anything they could to get in access to the girls
locker room. You know, think back to the movies from
the eighties. Come on, I mean this is you know, uh,
this is it wouldn't be that much of a stretch
for them to do that, and then later on as
their defense in the rearview mirror, go well, I identify
as a boy or a girl.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I've done a record's request with my district and I
have found there's all kinds of complaints. There's a boy
in the PE class, and so that's twenty five thirty
girls a day, every day that's being exposed to that
boy in the shower. In Ohio, I think it was
you know, four girls were forced to shower after PE
class with a naked eighteen.
Speaker 4: Year old man.
Speaker 5: You know, again, no litmus tests, and so there are
people that get off on this stuff.
Speaker 4: There's all kinds of perversion out there.
Speaker 5: But I'm going to remind you of something, everybody of something,
that there are still laws on the books against voyeurism, yes,
indecent exposure lude conduct. Those laws do not this school board, Paul,
I'm sorry, the school policy does not trump those sexual
and see laws.
Speaker 4: And so my instruction to Sadie, and my.
Speaker 5: Advice to any dad out there to your daughter, if
you see a boy or a man in the girl's
locker room, your immediate response would be.
Speaker 4: To get out of there.
Speaker 5: Stay safe, called nine to one one and have law
enforcement settle it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 1: And Weed make that points in the radio when I
did radio in Seattle that if everybody just filed their
criminal complaints in Seattle, the cops are going to be
allowed to do anything. But the complaint is filed and
people can watch and see. Wait, you're not going to
do anything, You're not going to protect us. I'm glad
the complaint is filed. I'm glad that you guys are
doing this. Praise God for this. Most of all, I
feel heartens to see a young warrior who's a happy word.
And Bill, I know you guys should be good, godly people,
and I see that you've raised a good, strong, godly daughter.
And I'm praying for you in the swim meet that
you and your team do well. And the appreciate you
guys joining us. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, don Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: This is a Todd Herman show.
Speaker 1: Remember God may to male and female in his image,
male and female.
Speaker 2: He made us.
Speaker 1: Now go be well, be strong, be kind, and make
every effort to walk in the light of Christ.