Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode oh the
Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
is Tim Duckworth. As I adjust my mic stand right now,
probably going to create some great audio for producer Rich
Ryan to fix. But whatever, we're back. Baby. It's been
a while. But it's December first, it is twelve fifty
three pm. It is officially my birthday month. My wife
decides to, you know, tell me it's her birthday month,
it's her birthday week, whatever the heck. So you know
I'm gonna do the same. You know, it's my birthday
year as far as I'm concerned. Wow, yeah, exactly. On
today's show, we had a lot to catch up on.
We're gonna talk about the NPT Las Vegas. They had
a bunch of PGT qualifying events that were part of
that schedule, so we'll hit on those. Texas PLO round
up finished up. Tim was down there at Champions Club,
so he's gonna check or he's gonna get us up
to date on what happened down in Texas. Austin, right,
he's Houstons. I always do that. I don't know why.
I don't know why. I always think Austin. I want
to touch on these other big tournaments that happened around
the world, AP APT Championship. I'm probably gonna butcher that
because you know, you and I used to go to
the APPT.
Speaker 2: Quite a lot, so you never went to the APT.
Speaker 1: I've never gone to the APT. I've only been to
the APPT and the A and ZPT. There you go,
B s Op Millions wrapped up and then currently running
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Frock wins the NAPT Las Vegas main event. Now, this
was not a PGT qualifying event. I don't know how
many questions you feeled about that, but I think I
feel two dozen you know what? Or you know is
this PGT qualifying? Why isn't it PGT qualifying? All that
sort of stuff. Anyway, the Frock gets his largest live
tournament score. He wins five hundred and forty three thousand dollars.
Now he did make a deal with Thomas Boyven heads up,
they chopped it I think even, and left some need
to play for Boyven had a large chip lead throughout
much of the final table, the large majority of it.
It was interesting because I was watching the stream and
Boyvin he took a large chip lead into the final table,
and then I think when he got down to three handed,
it was Boyvin e Frock and then Jen Shahati and
Boyven asked to look at the numbers, which I thought
was interesting because he had such a big lead, Like
why would you why wouldn't you just play for it? All.
It was a kind of a combination of Shahati and
e Frock when Boyven wanted to kind of negotiate better
terms for him because he believed he I have this correctly,
if my memory serves me, kucy that he wanted a
little bit more than ICM because of his chip stack
and everything. But Shahati was like, you know, let's just
let's just play for it, you know, let's just play.
So anyway, they end up playing for it. Jen Shahati
goes out third, then there's a deal struck between e
Frock and Boyvin. E Frok ends up coming back taking
it all down. So it was e Froc on top,
five hundred and forty three thousand dollars, boy then second,
five hundred and eighteen k Shahati third, two hundred ninety
one thousand. Ekram Boskirt fourth satellite winner into the event
and then went on to finish fourth. Ekram is a
regular player around Las Vegas, made a final table or
two at Venetian that we streamed as part of Venetian
Poker Live and also Poker gro He took home two
hundred and twenty four thousand dollars. Michael Burke PGC regular
fifth place, Peter Muger sixth place, one hundred and thirty
two thousand for him, Burke got one seventy two, Abdullah
Akbarpoor got seventh place for one hundred two thousand dollars,
and then Richard Green, also frequent some PGT events, seventy
eight thousand dollars for him, seven hundred and thirty eight entries.
Last year was eight ninety five this year's prize school
I did have a three million dollar guarantee last year
and this year. This year came at almost three point
six million dollars. Last year was a bit over four
point three million dollars. So those two numbers compared to
last year, seventeen point five percent decrease. That's what I
want to talk about as it pertains to the main event.
What are your thoughts, like, why did the field decline?
Speaker 2: I got four? Four reasons?
Speaker 1: Oh, four four, So that by the way, I like
that you're bringing four and the reason why I like, Yeah,
But it's never one thing I try to say, like, oh,
it's it's because of this, and it's there's a pie chart,
and like everything has its own percentage of the pie. Yeah,
you know, so that's how this So I'm happy you're
bringing multiple things here that that likely played into it.
Now we may not exactly know the percentages, but there's
always a bunch of different factors that are to.
Speaker 2: Way go ahead.
Speaker 3: We're going to touch on two of them a little later,
but two pretty big, impressive competing events. We're going to
talk about Asian pokatur in Taiwan. We're going to talk
about the BSOP that's obviously going to draw some of
those local players to state. It's also lurid some of
our players. When I say our players, i'm talking you know,
Las Vegas slash America over to those stops, and that's
obviously going to have an influence on another event we'll
talk about a little later, the textas Payler around up.
So those two things are pretty big. I think the
third thing to me, and you know, you and I
have chatted about this a lot in person. I've chatted
with players about a lot. I didn't think the schedule
was that good. And when I say good, I'm talking
more about how it was kind of conducted, how it
was structured.
Speaker 2: You know, the offerings was not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think when a player wanting to travel
here looking at that, They're like, you know, I can't
play this event. I can't play that. I can only
play a couple of events. It's not really worth it
for me. I'm going to skip it. And then the
fourth thing I think is is something I'm not quite
knowledgeable on. Maybe you a little better than me, but
the landscape. And when I said to Lanscap, I'm talking
about Focus Stars, I'm talking about FanDuel And you know,
we touched on it, like we just didn't feel there
was as much promotion for this series in the last
compared to the last couple of years. And now was
that on purpose? Was that Pocos Stars saying, you know what,
let's dial down the marketing dollars a little bit. You know,
I'm sure if we could somehow access the data of
satellite see winners online and and live. I'm assuming there's
a big decline there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that last sorry, two years ago,
they obviously had to make a pretty big splash. Now
it was a little bit of a different event with
a different price point, but they still had to make
a big splash. Return of the napt It's coming back
to Las Vegas all that sort of stuff, and then
last year they go back, they go to more of
an EPT model, more of the old NAPT model, the
five K in event, three million dollar guaranteed price, well,
that sort of stuff. So obviously you've got to put
a lot of marketing power behind that, and then this
year maybe they just pulled back on it. I just
I felt like buzz was a little bit lesser than
last year, and that's probably just because it wasn't so
in your face with the marketing, you know, actual so
it was it was it was still a really good turnout, right,
you know, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nearly eight hundred players, you know, you that's that's great.
The actual on site marketing, let's just make sure we
under it was still fantastic. The room's great to play in,
you know, the branding at result World is still great.
It's we're talking about leading up to whether it's on social,
whether it's you know, they did a lot of stuff
last year with influences and even like some pretty big
Twitter accounts like was Las Vegas locally and stuff, so
those additional marketing arms weren't there this year. Everything on
side we're not talking about, it's just leading up to it.
Online social et cetera, just built not not as there,
not as much there as last time.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's also I know you want to talk
about this a little bit more later, but it is
very difficult these days with there's just so much poker.
Speaker 2: There's so much, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's getting pretty crazy, and it's it's good to
see that the industry is able to survive through it,
you know, like for example, this event, you know, it
didn't it didn't miss the guarantee, It cleared the guarantee.
You know, it was I think it was probably a
bit more of a sweat than they would have liked.
But still they made it by about six in r K,
so that's you know, a fair a fair amount over
you know that I would say that this doesn't fall
into fake guarantee range because they didn't blow it out
of the water finally, but it was again, it was
probably a little bit closer than they would have liked.
So there's that. Yeah, all in all, you know, I
thought the event was good. I lasted a whole of
like forty minutes in it, so that was also spectacular. Yeah,
it's very well played. You know, I don't like to
wait around. You know, I either get in and I
lose or I win, you know, one of the others.
Moving on to the PGT qualifying events that were part
of the NAPT Las Vegas. You had eight events, the
ten K Mystery Bounty, the twenty K Super high Roller
warm Up, the fifty K Super high Roller, ten K
Half and half Nolan Holdham Slash Plo, twenty five K
Poo high Roller, ten K Bounty, twelve K Quattro Knockout,
and then the ten K napt high Roller First Up
the Mystery Bounty. Cherish Andrews won it all topped eighty
four entries She want to combined three hundred and thirty
one thousand dollars. She won one hundred and eleven thousand
dollars from the prize pool. She went two hundred and
twenty thousand dollars from the mystery bounties. She beat Nick
Petraangelo in heads up play. Petra Angelo got almost one
hundred and twenty two thousand dollars between prize, school and bounties.
And I bring up Petrangela specifically because he then went
on to win the next event, the twenty K Super
high Roller warm Up, topping fifty three entries to win
almost three hundred and ten thousand dollars. The fifty k
super high Roller that had twenty three entries. Steven Chidwick
topped all comers five hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars.
Thomas Boyven second place for three thirty four, already on
a high before that main event score that we already
talked about. This fifty k super high Roll took place
before the main event, so all combined well over eight
hundred thousand dollars just from those two finishes for Boyvin,
who's had a really really great year, he had a
smashing WSP does very well here at NPT Las Vegas.
The ten k Nolanan HOLDOM slash PLO JACEAMU top sixty
entries won one hundred and seventy four thousand dollars. Sam
Soeverell second place one hundred and thirteen thousand dollars cherish
and back at the final table She's Hot fifth place
for forty seven thousand dollars. The twenty five KPLO high Roller.
This event was i'll say needs improvement. Eleven entries, Yeah,
it was. It was just a bad structure. It was
scheduled for three days. I think they started him way
too deep in chips. They only played a handful levels
on day one. They even had to adjust the structure
on day one. It was kind of a mess. It
only got eleven entries at the end of the day.
Sean Rafael won it for one hundred and seventy one
thousand dollars. He beat Jordan Glazer, who took ninety two
k for second place, and then Glazer, much like Petrangelo
did to kick off the high rollers, Glazer went on
to win the next high roller, top fourteen entries in
the ten K Bounty to win forty two thousand dollars.
Then Glazer took second place in the twelve K Quatro knockout.
He lost there to Sam so Overroll. Sam Soverll wins
almost two hundred one thousand dollars over two hundred thousand dollars,
topping thirty nine entries there, and then the the most
well attended a high roller event on the schedule, the
ten K napt high Roller Batali Zavorotnis I probably severely
pushed at that one, top one hundred and fifty eight
entries to win three hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars.
It had one hundred and seventy entries last year. For you, sir, Yes, Now,
part of our partnership with the NAPT Las Vegas. And
when I say our, I mean the PGT, we gave
a dream seat which fast tracked somebody into the PGT
Million Dollar Championship. Who won that thing? And who are
we going to be seeing in January?
Speaker 3: Well, we like we do on the PGT, he must
have two cash's, so that kind of you know, disqualified
or made some people ineligible to win this. So who
actually finished second on the leaderboard, but he did have
two cashes? Nick Petriangelo has both hands on that dream see.
But you know, here's the thing, here's the kicker. And
I've told some players that are on this leaderboard he's
pretty close to the top forty. And we know he's
going to Bahamas and we know he probably might play
last Chance, so there was a chance that he naturally
qualifies for the PGT Championship. So what that means that
seat start rolling down next up.
Speaker 1: And the reason why you do that is because dream
seat winners only start with one hundred big lines.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: If you qualify in the top forty.
Speaker 2: Do you have a lot more?
Speaker 1: You can have more chips based on your finishing position
in the top four Exactly. The first person on the
leader board, which right now is Alex Fox, and he
would start with the most chips in the PGT Championship,
second whatever, the second most, et cetera. So you'd rather
than that. We're gonna benefit the player in this regard exactly.
Speaker 3: Next up Sam several Well, he's second on the leader board,
so he's out. Uh. Steven Chidwick also in the top forty,
he's at bin Wang one cash.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately he does not qualify.
Speaker 3: Next person on the list, Jordan Glazer four cash, is
best performing player at NAPT when it came to the
PGT qualifying events. But Jordan, we'll touch on him. He
did down to Texas, had some results there. He's about
four hundred points away from the top forty.
Speaker 2: Not sure.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he was going to Muhamas yet. So
he's probably, you know, not a favorite. But hey, I
already told him keep the communication lines open. I might
have to send you a message. He may also come
and play PGT last chance. He's more of a PLO player,
but he may come out here. So there's a chance,
you know, he could score some results and potentially get
in naturally too. But if Petranglo does qualify, he's got
four hundred and fifty points, that sea would roll down
to Jordan and then if you know, like it can
keep going. Obviously, if he did both of them somehow
get in, it's going to go down to Sam Laskwitz
was just outside the top forty. Just somow he's in,
Kristen Foxon and carry Katz sitting in tenth, not in
the top forty yet, but hey, this is his backup option.
Speaker 2: So what about Cherish Wish?
Speaker 3: She Cherish's on thirteenth on the leaderboard, so significantly more
down on this dream see little bit. But yeah, she's
she's outside the top forty as well. So yeah, this
is I though Nick, it's currently with Nick.
Speaker 2: It may change.
Speaker 3: We'll just kind of see how the next you know,
what is it twenty sixteen events or something play out?
Speaker 1: Anything else stand out to you from this series? You
can focus on the PGT stuff. I mean, what have
you got to say?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is, you know, we had
three people knock up some PGT milestones. Okay, okay, So
we had Steven Schidwick sur past ten thousand PGT points,
he joins Alex Foxon in that category. We had Sam
Several and Jeremy Osmond's pick up their one hundredth PGT cash,
so it's three pretty cool milestones. And then we look
at the leaderboard, we did have some big, big movers.
Some people solidify, you know, their position. Obviously, Sam Several
picked up three cash as he's he's now just looks
like forty four points outside Alex Foxon. So that race
to be PGT Player of the Year is going to
come pretty pretty hot down this home stretch. You know,
we had jos Mao move up in the top ten,
Kristen fox And move up, Chidwick move up. A lot
of these guys kind of solidified their position. And then
you look just outside that, you know, top forty, we
saw Sam Liskoy it's now forty first. Including all the
little rules we have, we have Jeremy Osma's now sneaking in,
so he's right in there, you know, obviously defending PGT
Player of the Year, defending PGT Championship winner. So he
is currently sitting thirty eight, so he's going to still
do some more work to make sure he sleticizes his position.
But yeah, some movers in the forty people just moving
just to the outside. So did have a bit of
a bit of a shakeup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I thought I thought the high
walls were pretty good.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I think going back to your point about the schedule stuff,
some tinkering could be done there. And yeah, you know,
all in all, I hope, I hope this event stays
on the schedule. I really like it's I think it's
got a decent time slot. I see decent now because
as we'll get into some of the later stuff and
Tim kind of touched on could be more challenging going forward.
I also do wonder if this this letter or whatever
from the Nevada Gaming Commission has anything to do with it,
because they sent the letter to their belief to fand yeah,
you know about the prediction market stuff, you know, and
I want to say they mentioned Flutter in there, so
does because Flutter owns poker Stars. Does that affect this
event like it's it's a whole thing. So I guess
wait and see on that. I would hate to see
this event go. I mean, I want to see the
napt evolve into a full on tour, not just one stop.
I mean, I think that they should be. I think
they should be trying to do four big five K
events a year different properties, culminate with the final one
in Las Vegas, and then do a bunch of those
Poker Stars open ones, right, you know, maybe do let's
four to eight of those smaller events one K price point,
you know, and they kind of all feed in to
those then majors. Like That's how I would kind of
try and structure this thing. I don't know how many
properties are are available to them, how many you know,
partner properties they have. Obviously they went to I think
it was Maryland Live for the Poker Stars Open. I
think they have a presence in Pennsylvania. They're in Michigan,
So can they find someone there to do something with, like,
you know, all that sort of stuff. I don't know,
we'll see. Would love for that to happen. And I think,
again I've said it before, I'll say it again, the
resort property is elite. It just kind of thinks that
it seems like no one's ever there when I'm there,
which sucks so quiet, it's so but the entire property
is so freaking nice, and like when you go to
play poker there for the napt you're in this ballroom,
You're away from everything. Everything super updated, state of the art, spacious, luxurious.
It's it's awesome. It really is. Even simple things like
coming in off the highway, it's like right there, you
don't have to deal with the strip stuff. Like it's
just nice and convenient and freaking awesome. So hopefully just
six a round. Let's head on down to Texas, where
we had Stephen Hubbard topping three hundred and thirty seven
entries to win two hundred and fifteen thousand dollars in
the three K buying million dollar guaranteed PGT Texas PLO
Round Up Main event. Tim loves to make seventeen words
in everything.
Speaker 2: You're out at the PGT. PGT pot is not in
the net.
Speaker 1: It's a PGT event, so PGT goes in the front. Okay,
I'm sorry, that's how it is. Hubbard dominated the final
table en routes to victory. He moves up to one
hundred one hundredth on the season long PGT leader board,
so I guess within striking distance. But I'll also say
not really because he's really only a PLO player, So
you know, unless he's going to the Bahamas to fire
some of that PLO stuff down there, I would doubt
that we see him get into the championship. But hey,
you never don't enough fun. Little run for Hubbard. He
bagged the Day one B chip lead, then he won
the first high roller. Then he went back and ran
on to victory in the WSP main events, in that.
Speaker 3: Pail round event, the PGT What did I say, WSP
main Event?
Speaker 1: I don't think I said that, rich check check the
tame and ran on to victory in the main events. No,
I don't. I honestly don't think I said that. Maybe
I did. It might have sounded like that, but I
don't think I said it.
Speaker 2: Actually, maybe he said Texas main event.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what that might So anyway, he won
thirty six K for the high roller, winning one two
n and fifteen K for the main event win. Now,
the event barely hit the guarantee million dollar guarantee one
million and eleven thousand dollars in the prize. Fool, that
was a sweat. I want to know what the heck
was it like? Because you were on property you were
down in not Austin Houston for this event at Champions Club.
What was what was the sweat?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Every day you're getting up, you're seeing the numbers, You're like,
are we gonna make it? You're obviously talking to the
Champions Club like, well, what's what's that sweat?
Speaker 3: Like we started, I knew there was going to be
a downturn. I'll revisit the reasons, but we were on
track the first flight, Day one day, We'll okay, day
one B.
Speaker 2: We were on track.
Speaker 3: When the when the turbo that night dinner run, We're
a little worried. And then from there we just knew
it was going to be close. We were just is
this going to make it? Iss going to We're just
trying to hit certain you know, benchmarks along the way
to this million dollar guarantee. You know, we wanted to
hit obviously keep it, keep it to six figures, keep
it to a soft guarantee, you know when you include
the ring.
Speaker 2: And it was definitely a sweat.
Speaker 3: Obviously made it in the last break of the hyper
turbo level when a couple of people bust and jump
back in and then yeah, look we did make it.
Speaker 2: It's it was pretty nerve wracking.
Speaker 3: We're probably going to make a few changes to to
this event and even the one, the no limit version.
But like, we ran really bad. And when I say that,
when you're running these multi flight where you can put
in a lot of bullets, no offense, but we're cheering
for the people with the deeper pockets depends.
Speaker 1: But we want you guys to bust out what I
have said.
Speaker 3: Them to that fest and I want you in for
twenty bullets, but I want you to cash for twenty two.
Speaker 2: I want you to profit. I just want you to
put in a lot of bullets.
Speaker 3: And look Day one A, every player that bagged Day
one A, and you can as see anyone champions were
good for many many more bullets, many many more bullets,
you know. So we were very bad in that aspect.
But it's okay at the end of the day, we
made it. We'll make some tweaks going forward, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely missing a bunch of PGT regulars that have
traveled there in the past. Yeah, I don't remember if
Jeremy Osmas went to the PLO one last time, but
did Gina Reim go to the po Low one last time?
Red Lynn didn't. Then josh Ariean Deep like, you know,
a bunch of bunch of PLO guys, slash PGT players,
you know that you might expect there, they didn't make
the trip this time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is a bumber when it comes to
our players. You know, there's a couple of reasons. First one,
you know they've done Houston a few times. They didn't
want to go back. You know, they were playing in
to go to seminoles, so this was a good week
off before doing Seminal Bahamas all those events. I understand
that we also had a lot of new new faces
go Bryce Jockey, Chris Cossa, a couple of other guys
get down to to there for the first time and
they I played a lot of cash with Chris and
Bryce and they loved it down there, so you know,
it is a great spot. Also, we lost a couple
of our regulars that we were counting on being there.
They went to the APT event. And when I say regulars,
I mean three or four local Houston players. Okay, right
that a PLO that they only played plow decided to
do a little a little holiday November, So we lost those.
But the biggest problem was and you know, I think
we're going to touch on this. We did see a
big decrease, you know, we went from what is a
one point four million last year to just hitting the guarantee.
And it's a big issue in Texas right now.
Speaker 1: I am shocked at how many rooms there are in Texas,
Like you see many. If you were to ask me,
obviously before I like look deeper into it, I probably
would have said, I don't know, six, Yeah, there might
be sixty. I mean, it's outrageous.
Speaker 3: Houston is probably the most saturated with poker rooms. A
couple of big ones and then a lot of little
small ones. The problem with one of them, and you know,
I'm I'm gonna call them out TCH is you know
what TCH. I've played at TCH in Austin one of
the most beautiful poker rooms I've ever played. And that's
coming from someone that's played at the Winn and Aria
and Venetian all these places here in Vegas.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
Speaker 3: The TCH that I'm talking to about in Houston, they
all kind of like different ownerships, Like it's not like,
you know, one hundred percent the same, and they are
kind of you know, they set their dates for a
main event. They had a twelve hundred dollars half a
million guarantee on you know this week in November. We
scheduled our event to be to upset that. Okay, then
they moved their event over the top of ours to
basically try and take us out. What that meant was
you lose a lot of the fringe no limit hold
them guys that would have played a bullet or two
in the PLO. They're going to just stick to the
no limit. You know, people that you know you would expect.
You know, good Ray Henson, you know champions. He plays
a lot of Champions, plays a lot of cash there,
loves PLO, big support of the PGT. He decided to
put one bullet in the in the TCH event and
then he was going to play Champions the rest of
the week.
Speaker 2: Well guess what.
Speaker 3: He bagged that bullet so he couldn't play any of
the fights to Champions. Gabriel Andrade comes here, plays the
PGT PLO series, big PLO player. He decided to do
the same thing, put a couple of bullets in the
no limit holder events so you try and get lucky.
I think he put I think I heard he put
fourteen bullets and once you start getting a few bullets deep,
you start chasing those bullets. Of course, he actually didn't bag.
He played the hyper Turbo Survive the Hypoturbo end up
cashing in our event anyway, But you know, losing a
lot of players there really hurts. Now talk about our satellites.
Our satellite program was great last year. This year nearly
non existent. Main reason was the people that play the
satellites have all been lured to some of these other
places because of all these new promotions they're running to
basically acquire, you know, all these customers. And you know, look,
we missed one guarantee this series, really small one. Otherwise
we made everything TCH was trying to kind of break.
Champions Club missed nearly every single day guarantee that they ran.
They missed the main event guarantee by fifty k. So
it's a really expensive customer acquisition process for them. And look,
I think we can all be friends in Texas well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's kind of my point is that
I've started to get this sense, and this is just
my own personal opinion that the Texas market is really
just going to eat itself alive. Yeah, Like I don't
know how as many rooms that are down there can
survive like this, especially if they're going at each other's
throats all the time. Like I mean, I know Texas
is a huge state. I know poker is widely popular there.
I just I don't know how you can do it.
You know, now you have you obviously had the WPT
went down there, right, they had a prime event there.
Basically circuits going there, so like it's only going to
get more saturated. So I just don't know how much
these rooms can survive. And then ultimately if the rooms
don't survive, the ones that are going to suffer are
the players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know they can survive. And you know, you
say like they're they're in they're in walls together, but
it's not. It's a very one sided wall because just
like Kia, you know when Aria Venetian, when the summer
schedule is set by WSP that we all kind of
talk and figure out where we want to do our
machi events and we put stuff around it. You know,
we we play, we work with each other to create
so we can all benefit. Now for this, in this case,
most of the Texas rooms do that. You know, champions
have have a relationship with you know, the large up
in US and some other rooms, and they you know,
make sure they don't overlap, don't schedule on top of
each other. But it's just this one room that's kind
of out for war. Doesn't seem like they're going to stop.
Maybe two months ago, Champions over a three hundred k
in their million dollar you know, summer event or whatever
it was called. They those dates are out and TCCH
moved an event to be over the top of it,
the same buying, same guarantee and miss they missed the guarantee.
That doesn't do anything for players. If you're a TCCH loyalist,
you'll play there. If you're Champions loyalists, you'll play at Champions.
But if you just go different weekends, you both can benefit.
I just don't understand why they're trying to do this,
but kind of yeah, it is what it is, and
we just have to deal with it. When you know,
we're creating our partner events there next year, we have
to take into account that, hey, this could be an sure.
You know, obviously we haven't missed the guarantee of Champions yet,
you know, four from four, How do we keep doing that?
Speaker 2: Do we need. What adjustments do we need to make
to ensure you know we will be successful?
Speaker 1: Moving on to the three five K high rulers that
took place, we already mentioned. Stephen Hubbard won event number
one or one high Roller number one for thirty six
kre on Brevin Andreatis one number two for thirty eight thousand,
five hundred dollars, and then Bryce Jockey one number three
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I don't know those will ever be back because those
are the biggest deals we've ever I know. I said
at the top of the show that we were going
to talk about these big events. We're not going to
talk about those big events. I just got a message
that we have to get out of here because they
gotta do testing and stuff. So here's what we're gonna do.
I do want to hit on a family pot that
I tease you personally. Yeah, so let's do that. We'll
talk about this other stuff, the app A p T
I knew I was going to do that, the APT Championship,
b SOP millions, and then we'll also have WPT Rock
and Roll poke Rope and we'll have wrapped up so
we can do all those together. I also think, you know,
we both know Fred Lung, the CEO of the Message,
who're try and get him on the show talk about it.
That event was bananas.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was so bananas that Tim and I were likely
should we go in. We're going exactly exactly. So I
also talked to a bunch of players. I got some
kind of first hand insights into that series over there.
So we'll hit on all of that. But I want
to get into this this family pot because it's our
show and we can whatever. I got two little ones,
so go ahead, you go for me first, Yeah, go
and play the music, sure, go ahead, it's.
Speaker 2: Does family all right?
Speaker 1: What are you guys.
Speaker 3: I'm going to send this video to Rich inside. So
I brought a treadmill a few weeks ago. Plot of
Black Friday sales. You know, got early why you can
run outside.
Speaker 2: I hate running outside. I'm an inside guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate running on treadmills.
Speaker 2: I've set up my finance pod and get in the design.
Speaker 1: You know, you can take the pod. No, no, no.
Speaker 3: I like to watch because then I get distracted and
I can get through, like thirteen miles really easy.
Speaker 2: Came in a big box, right, it's a big treadmill.
Came in a big box. My son, who is nine
and he's not autistic, likes boxes and likes forts. He's
like a cat.
Speaker 3: So we kept this box that is seven feet long
in the living room. He put all his all his
stuffed animals. He put all the blankets in the house,
and he made it a four. The video I just
sent Ridge. He wanted to sleep in the fort downstairs
a couple of different nights, so he slept in there
and I took a video. So I sent that other one.
You know, I think a couple couple of Christmas ago,
we put a little Rubik's cube and he's like stucking
you know, obviously you have to be pretty damn smart
to be able to solve his Ruby's Cube and it's
just been sitting there. He brought it to me two
days ago, fully solved, and I go, did you do this?
He goes yeah, And I thought maybe he peeled the
stickers off. That would make sense, and he goes, I
did it. I'm looking at him and he's like, got
a straight face. I'm like, you cheated?
Speaker 2: How did you do this?
Speaker 3: And he goes, what are you talking about? And I'm
just looking at him in the eyes and he goes, oh,
I used a rublic a Ruby's Cube solver. I'm like okay,
And then he ran away and I was like, am
I should I be proud of him for that? Or
should I be worried? And he brought it back.
Speaker 1: I really just problem solving in a way.
Speaker 2: I re jumbled it.
Speaker 3: And then the next day he's like, I sold it again.
I'm just like, I'm not sure if I should be
proud that he found a way to cheat all that.
I mean cheat, I don't know, but it's like I
was impressed that he somehow found this and then still
so you still probably got to follow steps kind of
like doing Lego to solve it.
Speaker 1: But that's yeah, amazing, No, okay, I mean it's like math,
you know. Now we just type stuff in a calculator
and we just move on with it. You know, we didn't.
We don't really. I mean, yeah, we used the math,
but you know, did you have a second one?
Speaker 2: No? That was two different yea.
Speaker 1: So mine, I tease this with you and Rich and
it's been I think it's been two weeks now, three
weeks now. So my wife is a huge reality TV
show person. She loves Bravo, She loves the Real Housewives,
all this sort of stuff. Bravo Con is their huge
conference takes place here in Vegas. She went, I think
last year or two years. I think last year. She
wanted to go this year. Okay, I think she told
me about it, you know, back when the tickets were
announced or whatever several months ago. Tickets ended up snap
selling out, you know whatever. We go out to her
birthday dinner, her and I she tells me that, like,
Bravo CON's coming up, and you know whatever, one or
two weekends, we're gonna have to pay for the tickets whatever,
blah blah blah. Okay, fine, cool. At no point had
it been told to me what these tickets cost. I'm
basically going off of what they cost the last time,
which I thought was ridiculous, which I think was around
three to four hundred dollars. But it's like, you get
three days, it's like Friday, Saturday, Sunday, like, you know, whatever,
this is what she wants to do. You know, it's fine,
she can go do it. Three hundred dollars is not
gonna kill me. So, like a week or so before
the event, she tells, she's like, hey, don't forget, we
have to pay for the Bravo Con tickets. We have
to send so and so the money. I'm like, okay,
how much are they? She goes twenty five dollars. I
go twenty I go twenty five. What it's twenty five hundred.
It's twenty five hundred dollars. What in God's name are
you doing at Bravo Con. She's like, we had to
get VIP. I'm like, what do you had to get VIP?
What are you talking about? So she drops this on
me a week beforehand. Now she then tells me that
she told me the price, and it's this whole thing
and I'm like, there's no ethan way that you told
me the price, because I would have screamed at you,
not like at you, but like just screamed in general
about how absurd it is that you want to spend
money for twenty five hundred dollars. I was like, do
you know how much money that is? That's more than
our mortgage payment for you to go hang out with
these Bravo celebrities, Like, come on, this is ridiculous. You
can't do this. Then, so she's trying to tell me
that she told me the price. The whole time. I'm like,
there's no way you told me the price, because if
anyone knows me, I would have freaked out about the price.
I would have told you no, like, if you want
to go whatever, you know for the the cheaper version
of the regular version, like that's totally fine. She's trying
to tell me that she she's like, you have to
go VIP. I'm like, you didn't go VIP last time.
You had a freaking ball, Like, I don't understand what
the hell's going on. Then she tells me that her
friend that purchased the tickets, She's like, well, she never
told me the price and I was like, I was like, okay,
so hold on, So your friend bought tickets and she
didn't tell you the price. Therefore your story does not
count because you could not have told me the price
if your friend never told you the price. Okay, I
gotta trying. Then she also says that, well, so and
so bought the tickets, and like I kept asking her
for the price, but she couldn't give it to me
because she didn't know. And I'm like, what the fuck
do you mean she didn't know? She just bought like
five tickets on her credit card for twenty five hundred
dollars each and didn't know how much they cost? Is
this person a billionaire? Like what is happening? And then
she's trying to tell me that well, we can just
tell the person we can't go. I'm like, you committed
to this, it's a week ago. You're screwing that person
out a twenty five hundred dollars yep. Who is also
quite ridiculous that she doesn't know how much she spot
for these tickets. So it's this whole thing for like
a week. I'm like, I cannot believe you spent twenty
five hundred dollars on a goddamn ticket to Bravocar. Now
she had the freaking time of her life and great
and listen, I probably and also at the birthday dinner,
I bought her tickets too. She wanted to go see
Brandy and Monica, who came out here at Allegiance Stadium.
I bought her tickets to that. So she was like,
I thought it was weird when you gave me those
tickets knowing that I was going to bravocn and they
cost that much money. I was like, so you didn't
say anything, like you didn't tell me, And it's not
so much that I was first, yes, I was pissed
off at the price. I think it's fucking absurd to
spend twenty five hundred dollars on that sort of thing. Now,
if you would have told me, like in April, I
could have, like, you know, done the thing, like I'll
put two hundred dollars away like whatever, Like it's not
not that big of a deal, like twenty five hundred
dollars money to go to bravocon And then on top
of it, it's even more than twenty five hundred dollars
because you buy some things there you get some souvenirs.
We got to get a babysitter on one of the
one or two of the days. Like it's a whole thing.
I'm just like, this is ubsurd. I'm like, do you
realize you going to Bravo con costs more than our
family trip to Disneyland. I was I was losing my
mind for I don't know, a week and a half straight,
Like I was so tilted and I had to play
napt and I was like, stop talking to me about this.
I can't handle it. I want to focus on poker.
Like this is absurd that you're even spending this money.
Don't try and justify with me. You're like, it's a
whole thing. It's a whole thing. So yeah, anyway, twenty
five hundred dollars for fucking bravocn is app. I said,
that's why all those people on those shows are rich,
because they're charging twenty five hundred dollars for people like
you to go to this fucking show that is out
of control. Twenty five hundred dollars, Like what what were
you doing? Like, honestly, what were you doing? Anyway? It's
bringing back my negativity and in this bad energy and
I want to get rid of this.
Speaker 2: It's gone, but you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Chef. Of course, she had a freaking blast, and I
love that she had a blast, and and I want
her to go to these things, but you can't drop
twenty five hundred dollars on me with six days notice.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: We're not in that sort of financially stable position that
I can just be like, yeah, go ahead, here's twenty
five hundred dollars. Yeah, you know. And of course she
tries to throw the you know, well, you go play
these poker tournaments and bah blah, I'm like, okay, First
of all, the poker bankroll is always separate. It's always separate.
Then everything else we have to pay for, and it's planned,
I give you well in advance, you know that that
this is what I'm doing. Whatever. And again it's not
that I don't want her to do these things. I
definitely want her to do these things. But you cannot
drop twenty five hundred dollars in my lap with six
days notice. It's just absolutely absurd. All right, that's going
to do it for us on this show. We're basically
getting kicked out of our own studio.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It really is unbelievable. We have the PGT True Classic
rag Stitches right here, this trophy, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: It's coming out well done.
Speaker 1: December second through fifth here at the studio, streaming all
four days. That's the one we were telling you guys
about for so long, that fifteen winners are gonna come
out here and play at the studio, So be sure
to tune in for that. I'm gonna be on commentary
for some of the days alongside Remco. I believe it's
Brent Hanks and Jeff Platt for the Final Table commentary.
So we have all that coming up on the next show,
will either be sometime during that event, maybe after the event,
but we'll hit on this event, we'll hit on all
the other events that we want to talk about, and
you know, we'll give our takes on the poker drama stuff. Okay,
so quick and easy. Again, they're kicking us out of
our own studio, but we got to live with it.
So for Tim Duckworth, my name is Donni Peters, and
we will talk to you guys next time you
Speaker 3: Jay