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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Wednesday. Welcome to joint BombCast Revengeance. I'm

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your host, Jan Shoa. I'm an avid moviegoer and movie

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enjoyer and joining me today co captain of the ship.

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He is the Waldorf to my Stantler, the Ropert to

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the Ebert, and I think that's his name. I don't

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actually know. He's the thumb to My's up.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Grub, Hi, everybody, I'm on Pandora. I'll give me.

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Speaker 1: I'm upset Grub that. Uh, you know, I was thinking

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of the world of Pandora. I was like, I can't

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wait to recommune with Awa.

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Speaker 2: And there was no communing with anything, let alone Awa

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in this movie.

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Speaker 1: No, folks, welcome to BombCast Revengeance. If you're listening live.

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We're doing this a little bit earlier in the week

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then we normally do, because we thought, let's just talk

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about this movie now and get it out of our brains.

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The hot topic of this week is not a game,

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but a video game movie. That's right. For whatever reason,

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Jeff Greb and I went to go watch the Borderlands movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to go see it at the theater

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that's the closest to me. But I've never actually been there,

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and I realized why because when I take the family,

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they want the comfort and all that stuff. They want

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the reclining sofa chairs and all that stuff in this

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place didn't have that. So when Steph was picking the theater,

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we went to the other one, but went there. I

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was in line for the concessions and actually got someone

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recognized me because they were also going to the Borderlands movie.

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It's like, oh, buddy, yeah, this is what this is

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where we're gonna meet, isn't it? Yeah? Fun? But went in,

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sat down and watched that movie, and I was I

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was not prepared for what I actually ended up seeing.

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Speaker 1: Right, neither was I grub. I believe you might have

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watched it opening night even Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's right. I went to I think I went with

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Friday Night. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How big was the crowd? How how big was the

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border It was?

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Speaker 2: It was me and the guy that recognized me. There

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was like three other people. It was his buddy, uh,

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and then there was a couple in front of us.

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Speaker 1: There might have been more.

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Speaker 2: People behind, but not many. There was under ten total

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for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I went and watched it. I want to say

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it was either Saturday afternoon or Sunday afternoon peak movie times,

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I believe, you know, for people just going spending some

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weekend time. And I think everyone else other than my

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partner that I dragged to come with me was one

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of those types of moviegoers that like, oh, I'm gonna

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sneak into another movie. I think I've heard of this, because, uh,

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I don't know if if this is everywhere. At least

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my movie theaters, everything is all assigned seats, and you

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definitely had a lot of people kind of like looking

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around and then just like slowly sitting down suite to.

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Speaker 2: Steal a seat, and they're just they refuse to give

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Randy any money.

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Speaker 1: And I guess, oh, yeah, yeah, I should have done that.

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I should have made Grub Jeff Grub. There's a lot

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of movies out now. There's a lot of video game

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adaptations to movies, specifically.

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Speaker 2: All over TV and the cinemas.

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Speaker 1: Yes, trans media, big gigantic.

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Speaker 2: I read the book for well, I didn't, that's a lie.

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I read the first chapter of the Ball and Wonder

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World books, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god.

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Speaker 2: Immediate thoughts, Yeah, my immediate thoughts were the I mean,

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I don't think there's any other way to describe this

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movie other than painful. I think it is legit painful

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to watch. The big part of that is it gives

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you nothing to stand on. There is nothing to care about.

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The characters don't care about anything. There is, like the

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motivations are completely a mystery, the uh sort like the

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cool action is filtered through Eli Roth's insane horror filmmaking

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techniques that don't fit the style, but they're going for

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here at all. And that is also an assault on

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the senses. So there were multiple times where I found

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myself with my hands on my head sort of kind

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of like trying to stop it from hurting so much,

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because it is an assault on the senses in every way,

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in all the negative ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, a big part of Borderlands. You know,

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I've played through the games. I don't remember the story

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Speaker 2: If I'm being sure there was a door to open

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like that, now, I'm like I recognized that. I remember that,

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Speaker 1: Characters Tiny, Tina, Roland, Lilith, et cetera. Claptrap of course,

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I hate to spoil it, folks, but clap trap does

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not dab in this movie, right, Yeah, But I associate

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a big thing that I associate with Borderlands, and they

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even kind of hinted at it in like the beginning,

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like Lord Dump is like just a bunch of gun

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a bunch of ridiculous guns, right, that.

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Speaker 2: Is what I remember to the lead up to the

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game as well, you know some number that like you know,

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they did the factorial on it or whatever. It's like

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fourteen million guns are possible to be combined in this game.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then you know, I remember the however, we

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thought it was so funny that you reload a gun

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by just throwing it and then you just pull out

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a new gun. As the gun combat in this movie

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is absolutely atrocious and bored.

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Speaker 2: It's trash. Yeah, it's uh. And I think she like

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makes a point Lilith Kate Blanchet's character, who is the

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star of the movie. As hard as that is to

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even process at this point, even after seeing seeing it,

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gun as very precious or something like that, and we

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movie up to that point. It was weird. It's just yeah,

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they they don't They're constantly grasping at something that feels

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like a story or a character progression, or or even

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like a quirk for the audience to care about, and

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none of it ever worked.

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Speaker 1: None of it ever lands. There's specifically a moment where

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Roland Kevin Hart's character sacrifices himself to the for the

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good of the team. Oh sorry, I'm blocking my face

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and him and Tiny Tina are you on a green

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Speaker 2: Just felt nothing, felt nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt nothing.

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Speaker 2: I mean you, It's one of those movies where and

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you know, I was having a Colorado night, so I

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was even maybe perceiving this little bit more than normal.

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But it's one of those movies where, like you can

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see and feel the set in a really strong way. Yes,

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especially I felt, especially in the scenes with Kevin Hart

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where I got this. You get the vibe from Kevin

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Hart that he's like, oh man, what am I doing here?

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it as much as she can. And there's some fun

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stuff in there. We'll get into that eventually. And I

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don't blame either one for like if I was Kevin Hart,

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and that really came across. So it's just like would

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always take me out of those scenes. But also the

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scenes aren't good and the chemistry that they're going for

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is so off, and they are constantly fainting like, oh

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is he a bad guyer is a good guy? And

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every time I don't care, I don't care. That's so

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they've given me nothing.

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Speaker 1: They also just continue to do nothing with the characters.

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I feel like with Kevin Hart's character Roland specifically odd

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casting to begin with already, sure, but if you're going

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to cast Kevin Hart, let Kevin Hart be Kevin Hart,

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I guess. And he didn't even do that in the movie, Like.

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Speaker 2: He's kind he's kind of doing like a little bit

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of the Rock is kind of what he's trying to be,

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like where he's like kind of serious but still there's

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a you could tell there's a funny edge there, but no,

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he's being serious action guy. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: When I left the theater, grub, I felt I tried

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recording my immediate thoughts and I tried like five times

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in a row and different places around the mall I

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was at, and I couldn't bring anything out of me.

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I couldn't bring any like goofs or to like to

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dunk on the movie because there isn't even a lot

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to dunk on the movie.

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Speaker 2: I have the plot here, and I wrote like a

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really short synopsis of it so we can just kind

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of get people an idea of like what this movie is.

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So it's like on Pandora Mercenary. Roland kidnaps Tiny Tina

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with the help of Krieg, who's like the big psychopath. Meanwhile,

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bounty hunter lil is hired by Atlas to rescue Tina

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from them. After realizing Atlas's true intentions, which is basically

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to use Tiny Tina to open the vault, Lilith teams

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up with Roland and Krieg. They discover Tina was genetically

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engineered to open the vault where secrets of the Indurians

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technology are kept. Lilith the Firehawk, actually opens the vault

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and spoilers everybody opens the vault and traps Atlas inside,

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where he is dragged away by a creature. The team

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celebrates that's the whole movie and if it feels like, okay,

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well what is in between that stuff? And the answer

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is nothing. There's nothing between those points. They just hit

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those beats and what they actually do fill things in

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with Jen is one of the most mindless and again

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since assaulting action I've ever seen. There is a portion

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in the middle of this movie where the team is

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like working together now, working towards the same goal. I

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never fully understood why Lilith was like moving from one

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team to the other. They don't really get into that

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or have a good answer, but whatever, she needed to

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be on the good team because she's a good character.

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That's what that needed to happen. So it did. But

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there's a portion in this movie about halfway through where

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they are just doing Borderland stuff. So it is they

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are clearly just doing Borderlands missions, and there's no dialogue,

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there's no like, you're just seeing them kind of go

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through caves and shoot a bunch of things, and they

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try to make the stylistic, They try to make it

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feel like there's stuff happening by you know, it flourishes

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with the camera. But eli Roth can't help himself. He

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gives into horror filmmaking. And then we're like zooming in

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on the crazy psychopaths and they are supposed to look scary,

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but everything's so garish and bright and it's just terrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've had a couple of people in our circles

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grub describe I have this movie as like very Spy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that the big part of

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that is the obvious green screen every I mean, God,

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that Hey, sar maam, I'm sorry. I never actually met Gina,

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but every scene she was in Bless Her Heart was

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the most green screen thing I've seen in a movie

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in a long time. I still think her character looked

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pretty cool. I liked her haircut a lot, and part

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of me likes that trashy green screen look. But when

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people see that and they are thinking Spy Kids, I mean, honestly,

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that's almost kind of insulting the Spy Kids a little bit.

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It was just like, we're gonna base this serious, heart

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hitting movie off of this series franchise when that's not

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Borderlands to begin with. I you know, this movie was

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stuck in production hell for a bit grub right, there

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was a bunch of reshoots. I believe there were some

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rewrites as well. Well. I don't know if that's like

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studio intervention popping in or whatever, or eli Roth being

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eli Roth, But I'm curious if they're I don't want

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to say the Wroth cut or like some director's cut

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and some of the relationships are a little bit more

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fleshed out or at least like, I don't know, maybe

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the action could have been better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Like because this is the reshot version, right,

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there was a lot of pickups done and all that stuff.

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this point, which makes, you know, begs the question what

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say when I recorded my thoughts afterwards. Jan Other than

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the stuff about Kate Blanchet, which we'll get into, my

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biggest takeaway was this movie feels like it was made

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by the stereotypical coked up executive that has no thoughts

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in their head and doesn't even have feelings, And it's

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just like, wouldn't that be coolouldn't that be cool? Wouldn't

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that be cool? And part of me is like, did

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they do reshoots to make it more like that? Because

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otherwise how do you end up with this? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Uh we You know, there's a fear in Hollywood of

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And if you told me that AI had edited this

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movie together and like put the script together based off

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of like scraping information of Borderlands, I'd one hundred percent

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believe you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was this movie film during the strike?

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Speaker 1: The writer I wanna say this was pre prior to

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this the w GA strike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it was filmed like maybe, yeah,

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well before that, because it's this was in production now

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for a long time. Everyone's says, no, it was way earlier. Okay. Also,

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someone chat mentioned that this movie was like going to

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be R rated at one point. I mean, Eli Roth

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needs probably that R rating, But that doesn't fix this movie, right,

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Nothing like that would not be That's not what this

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movie needs. The movie needed something to care about, and

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I found myself in the movie. Really all I could

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care about was imagining what Kate Blanchett was thinking, which

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is I don't know how she ended up here jan So,

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fifty five year old, beautiful, accomplished woman actor who has

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just done everything and kind of on top of her

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game in a film that she was filmed after this

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and Tar, I think she's incredible and I would just

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love for her to have an opportunity to explain what

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led to her doing Borderlands. Is there someone in her

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life that's like, oh, I like Borderlands, you should do that.

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This could be a franchise. Maybe maybe it's her, you know,

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her agent saying you need a franchise. This could be it.

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It could be that cynical whatever it is. She is

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trying pretty hard still in this movie. Like she is

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not like just phoning it in. She's doing stunts and

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stuff like that and like rolling around and I couldn't, like,

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I respect it. And I'm at a point where like

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she had fun And I don't think this hurts her

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career even a little bit because it just makes her

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seem more interesting now that she did that weird Borderlance movie.

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at like the costumes for this movie, she probably had

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I guess the most intricate costume, like she had the

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whole Lilith wig with like a side swoop. Jamie Lee

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Curtis just wore a red jacket and Kevin Hart only

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put on a beret. Also, oh my god, the wig

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that they put on Ariana green Blat was the worst

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fucking wig in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and a lot of this this movie

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sends like, you know, the tiny Tina character, all that stuff,

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who these characters are a lot of times, just a

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manic pixie dream girl that with explosives, right, That's who

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that character is. So they put that in the movie.

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It doesn't It doesn't. Maybe it works in the games,

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I don't care. It definitely doesn't work here. The one

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that I was like, I'm the most conflicted about is

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Jamie Lee Curtis because that character Tannis is autistic in

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the games. It's just we know Jamie Lee Curtis so well.

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So it feels like a caricature to me. I don't

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know how other people feel. I don't know if people

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on the spectrum are going to feel about it. I imagine

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that it's probably not going to be like the greatest representation.

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But also maybe people know Jamie Lee Curtis is a

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big actress. She's going for it, and I don't think

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I think JLC was trying to be as respectful as

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possible when she was doing it. Definitely, I definitely was

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like weirded out a little bit throughout the movie because

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of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also I don't know if this is I mean,

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this may be attributed to poor directing, but the actor

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that they got to play as Atlas, the big bad

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of the movie. I didn't buy it. Completely unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: That's the most nothing right because of the threat never

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like really expressed itself in the movie. Early he comes

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in as like this, uh vision on another person's face,

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Like it's a sort of a projection on someone else's face.

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So he's not present in that scene, and like he

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does some people get killed for sure. Yeah, but it's like, okay,

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now Willith is like working for this guy, and then

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she's making all these choices and you don't feel the

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threat of Atlas like weighing on any of those choices.

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So he just feels completely absent until then the very

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end of the movie where he shows back up and

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he needs to open the vault and he's going to

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do some bad things at that point, and that point

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just looks like a business middle manager. You're right, I don't.

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I don't just not buy it. It's like really actively bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh odd. Further odd decisions is the actor that

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they got for Krieg Creed.

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Speaker 2: Kreeg Krieg as I think. I think, yeah, uh.

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Speaker 1: He played Victor Drago in the Creed movies, which I

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thought he was very good in the he crushed that.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Here he was kind of a nothing burger again of

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a character, and I understand that, you can. You're they're

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going for that mindless U psycho. Yeah, sure, that that

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type of brutish character, but we've seen that archetype of

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a character. And they try to have him have like

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a relationship, like a big brother relationship with Tiny Tina,

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but I never bought it ever. It just feels very forced.

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It's like, what is the relationship here? Why do you care?

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You're not even giving me a moment to show the

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softer side of this character because he is just like

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a blabbering, like ah type of dude.

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Speaker 2: That that that I think goes back to another one

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of the fundamental sins of the movie is that it

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is there's never a time where you have a character

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that you get to know and then they are confronted

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with a problem, and then when they make a choice,

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you go, yeah, that's just that's just who they are.

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That's of course, that's what they had to decide. It's

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not great whatever it is, but but you know, I

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get why they did that, why they're in this situation,

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and why they found themselves making these choices. It's not

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that kind of movie. It is the kind of movie

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that you described there, where this is Kreig. He's a

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big brute, he's friends with tiny Tina, he's of mice

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in maning her, so he's got to be He just

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has to do with those things because that's what that

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character always does, and that was sort of working backwards

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from the character. Archetype is boring and it's especially again,

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especially bad here because everything else isn't working as well.

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I'm someone who doesn't really care that much about plot

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and about many of the or like a movie even

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saying something, but I want to feel something. I think

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one of the blockbusters have really found this strong space

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recently with like Top Gun Maverick is a movie that's

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not saying a lot, but it makes you feel a lot,

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and I think that's where blockbuster movie should try to be.

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And this movie is on the opposite end of the

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spectrum where it's definitely not saying anything, but it also

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is completely devoid of any emotion as well.

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Speaker 1: And there are so many movies that this movie itself

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could try and ape and try and just be another

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one of those, but I don't think it even does

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that particularly well. You mentioned yesterday on the BombCast Scrub

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that this was definitely trying to go for kind of

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like the Guardians of the Galaxy esque vibe, you know,

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assembling the crew together, the whole found family thing. Kate

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Blanchett is star Lord, and I did not pick up

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on that at all until yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I did a poor job of it. Yes, it's that

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bad of a job where it's like, even though it's

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obvious what they're going for when you hear it, yeah,

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when you're watching, it's like wait, no, wait what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it just seems incredibly damning that there are

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so many examples to pull from, not even in the

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like the last couple of years, but the last ten

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fifteen years of cinema to do like a overly bombastic

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action movie that is not taking itself too seriously. They

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could have done like a Bad Boys, you know, and

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it just it's just it feels lifeless. It feels super dull.

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Like I'm struggling to think of like any fun moments

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that I had with the movie other than like what

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I said yesterday where I was just jazzed to see

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Janina and thinking like, hal roll got the bag. There

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we go.

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Speaker 2: Even like Jack Black, who's usually pretty reliable in these

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kinds of roles, first of all, it's like he's not

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doing exactly Jack Black voice. He's doing what's cupcake with

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the house the robots name, laptrap, clap trap, thank you

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and whatever. Like he's acting, so of course that's how

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it goes sometimes, but you could tell he wasn't on

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set he said he was. He never was on set

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or talked to any of these people about this movie ever.

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He recorded forever ago, and they used those lines and

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you could tell, like to certain points like we have

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to sort of build the rest of the movie around

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what we have with Jack Black here, because we had

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him for a little bit where not maybe we can't

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get him back or something, or we don't want to

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pay him again, because it's like a lot of it,

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like he is important to just about every scene that

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happens at a certain point, but it's like even he

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is not very fun in this movie, which is when

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you kind of like mess up Jack Black like that,

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where again I think he's very reliable for them to

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be sort of fun in these movie roles, you have

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got a real problem.

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Speaker 1: He's a super reliable hand. Especially if you're just going

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to be using Jack Black's voice, then let Jack Black

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be Jack Black.

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Speaker 2: That's Dantandem Bowser, Yeah, exactly, And it works really well

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in both of those. So hey, I I mean, I

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don't think Borderlands was ever sort of fertile ground for

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anything great. But this the way I feel about this,

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other than it being like a gauntlet of pain and sadness,

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is it is it represents the worst of corporate filmmaking.

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It really does. It is just just people who don't

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understand why people like stories in the first place, making

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a movie and wanting to be important. And I know

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that Randy has distance himself, but he kept saying he

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was on set every day and they were going to

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be overseeing everything, and I believe him after we watching

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the movie, I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It just screams like the type of move corporate

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overlord type of movie where it's like, you need to

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hit these beats, and we don't care. You need to

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hit these beats. I don't care about the in between,

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I don't care about the script, I don't care about

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the look of the movie. You just have to do

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this much for the trailers. Greb. As of the weekend,

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this clocked in an eight million at the box office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with about one hundred and fifty million dollars after

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budget and marketing. It is one of the biggest flops

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of the year, one of the biggest flops in a

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long time. It is a real mess.

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Speaker 1: And I'm scanning through the IMDb here and the thing

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is like, I can't get over it that this movie

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has talent attached to it. Yeah, and not just in

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terms of the cast. You know, we've talked about Kate Blanchett,

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Kevin Hart. However you feel about Kevin Hart, Kevin Hart

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is a person that will bring audiences to movies because

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of Kevin Hart's comedic stylings, whether you like it or not.

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Jamie Lee Curtis Ariot a green Blat are in a

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green Blatz was on a heater of a run she

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was in like the Barbie movie. She played Little Gomora

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in the Guardians movies.

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Speaker 2: That's right, yea, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Would even put Flory in Montaneau in that, and you

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have Jack Black and Gina Gershawn crub Yeah. But then

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I'm also looking at the crew and I feel some

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type of way about Eli Roth. I could leave them.

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I think he sucks.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I've never liked any of his movies. I

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really haven't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked him in uh Inglorious Bastards. But that

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was a great character.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the character and does not show off his

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directing skills at all.

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Speaker 2: If you wanted to get Adam Sandler for that role,

474
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,119
which would have been even better.

475
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: But oh my god. Yes, But like the cinematographer, like

476
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,279
I had a lot of problems with how the movie

477
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,519
was shot. But it's the same dude that was a

478
00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:58,119
cinematographer for Uh, let's see a movie that most folks

479
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,799
would know death, which I believe is like the Groundhog

480
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,359
Day move. Nope, never mind, this is a Bruce Willis movie.

481
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

482
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, uh, never mind, it's okay, he did he

483
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:12,440
did School of Rock.

484
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, work with right, that's pretty good, pretty good.

485
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean like doing so many like sorry, but like

486
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,799
even you could you could ape the action timing of

487
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,680
a movie like Zombie Land, which I feel like could

488
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,440
have been like a one to one thing of like

489
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,079
let's just take the psychos and just turn or zombies

490
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:38,519
and turn them into psychos here, And that doesn't get

491
00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:40,559
uh conveyed well at all.

492
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,039
Speaker 2: You don't get anywhere close to that.

493
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,599
Speaker 1: Like the mini horror sequences that you alluded to in

494
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,440
the middle of the movie. It's just like this is

495
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,960
out of place. We didn't earn this at all. We

496
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,279
just literally walked up to this spot.

497
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And it really feels like filler in a

498
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,599
way that uh, it's probably not how it was shot

499
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,799
or written, but like what it what they needed after

500
00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:02,839
these sort of reworked this movie into whatever this is.

501
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,000
At this point, one of the names involved the movie

502
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,279
you didn't mention because he asked his name to be removed.

503
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:12,359
Craig Mason, who responsible for Chernobyl, one of the best

504
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:16,079
television mini series of all time and also the last

505
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,440
of us and he saw this, Shay, He's I please,

506
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,440
what's it? What's it called when you change your name?

507
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:21,799
Speaker 1: Me?

508
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, expunge. Yeah, they have like a name they use

509
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,400
in Hollywood, Alan Smithy, like Alan Smithy. Me, I don't

510
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:29,920
they don't think they even did that. They just actually

511
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,640
full up removed his name. But yeah, that's he could

512
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,119
see it coming and I can see why now after

513
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,880
watching the movie. Yeah.

514
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like hmm. This feels especially weird though for me

515
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,440
Grub because we're in like a post Marvel boom right,

516
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,720
like we've done and adapted like comic books, several video games.

517
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:57,640
Now the even the Twisted Metal Show was fun for

518
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,839
a couple episodes. I wound up checking it out.

519
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: Who was okay?

520
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: You you see Anthony Mackie getting punched by some moa Joe.

521
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:07,720
That's fun. Yeah.

522
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: I just think that they just fundamentally don't understand what

523
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,400
they what they were doing. I think this it's a

524
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,440
it's a movie that has a lot of stuff that

525
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:19,480
does happen, and it feels like someone describing their their

526
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,200
tabletop RPG game to you, where they don't tell you

527
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,319
any of the reasons why people made choices or who

528
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,640
these characters are. But it's like, then this this it's

529
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,160
an eight year old telling you the plot of their

530
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,000
favorite show blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

531
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,279
blah blah, and that's that's it. And I think that

532
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:37,160
there are some people probably responsible for this movie that

533
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,200
think that's what a story is, and that's what a

534
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,720
movie is, and it just it's completely wrong. And this

535
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,319
movie feels completely wrong as you're watching it.

536
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, grub it. God, I'm just staring at the IMDb

537
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,079
and just seeing Kate Blanchett attached to this.

538
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she'll be fine. Uh. And I parts

539
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:00,920
of the parts of the movie where I'm looking at

540
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,000
I'm like, she's striking. She's amazing to look at. She

541
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,160
is making this kind of bad costume work. Even you know,

542
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,240
I will associate the character of Lilith with her that much.

543
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:13,599
I don't think I'm not gonna talk about the video

544
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,279
game character and that, you know. But but yeah, it

545
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,279
is really baffling. And did I did go like into

546
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,240
Mike's chat afterward, and the thing I did say was

547
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:25,160
this will be the movie I think about the most.

548
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,599
When Kate Blanchett dies now, I don't think I'll probably

549
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,960
die before she does. But still that like, that's where

550
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,920
I'm at with this, where it's I think this makes

551
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,440
her more mysterious and interesting. Like I said earlier, where

552
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,240
I'm I just I'm so desperate to know how she

553
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,359
ended up in this movie.

554
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: God, I need to learn that half of that eighty

555
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,920
five million dollars went to her.

556
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:51,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I hope please. Yeah. The last thing I

557
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,039
said i wrote this on Twitter was it does feel

558
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,079
like the movie they were making a tropic thunder where

559
00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:01,000
it's just everyone feels like they're they're maybe doing something

560
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,680
and they have nothing and it's all just a bunch

561
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,839
of egos bumping into each other and kind of people

562
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,279
looking around like, wait, how did I end up in

563
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,039
this movie with you doing the thing that you're doing.

564
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: I think I put this in our little Compadre's discord Grub.

565
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,039
But this definitely, the entirety of this movie feels like

566
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,720
a bad Saturday Night Live sketch during one of the

567
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,799
off seasons.

568
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, one and one that goes on way too long. Yeah,

569
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,759
it doesn't really know what it's doing and so they

570
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:31,799
have to They really don't know how to end it. Yeah.

571
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,720
I the moment that really broke me the most jam

572
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,200
was at the end where they are building up Tiny

573
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,599
Tina throughout the movie to be to be special, and

574
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,160
she is like coded as a very young girl in

575
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,880
the movie, and she's like, I'm I'm special. I'm I

576
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,240
like and I believe that I'm special, and I'm going

577
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,319
to deliver on this promise and I will open the

578
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,880
vault and I'll use what's in there to save the day.

579
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,799
And the way they handle that is, no, you're not

580
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,680
the main character special actually, and she's gonna be so

581
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,359
badass and then you're gonna have to sit there and

582
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,240
be kind of sad that you're not special. But don't worry.

583
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440
She'll tell you you're just not special in that way,

584
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:16,240
but you're still special. Ab what just on its face? Like,

585
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,440
what did you want us to feel in this moment? Yeah,

586
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,079
I feel the disappointment of a little girl. That's what

587
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,279
I feel. Do you want to be excited that Kate

588
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:29,000
Blanchetz being a badass with fire wings because I do not?

589
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: Are you crazy?

590
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: Like?

591
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's scene. That's like that series

592
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,400
of storytelling moments gets through to actually be on film.

593
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,480
It's crazy.

594
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: It feels very confusing, Grub because as you bring up

595
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,680
that sequence, I don't think this movie knew who its

596
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,599
main character was while he was shooting.

597
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really feels that way. Yeah, because it's like

598
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,680
the way that you do that is Lilith thinks she's

599
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,880
going to open the vault and like she didn't believe.

600
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:02,279
And then halfway through the movie she's like, all right,

601
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,119
I'm back in. Actually i am a vaut Hunter, because

602
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,400
the whole first half of the movie she say, I'm

603
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,160
not a vallhunter of vaut Hunder, I'm not a Valt hunter.

604
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,720
I was born in Pandora. I'm not a Vaalt hunter.

605
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640
You make her believe she actually is a vault hunter,

606
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,119
and that not only that she's special, and then in

607
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,160
the last moment she recognizes, no, I'm going to empower

608
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,640
this other character that I've been protecting, that we've all

609
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,920
been protecting. Let her become empowered and recognize her strength.

610
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,759
And then that moment is cathartic and beautiful and nice,

611
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,440
and instead what we get it is no, my oc

612
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,200
the number one character, my favorite Lilith is so sweet.

613
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:36,240
Don't you want to get a tattoo of her. It

614
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:37,079
fucking sucks.

615
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,319
Speaker 1: There's a moment where, you know, the movie opens with

616
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,440
Kevin Hart saving or I guess, kidnapping Tiny Tina, And

617
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,119
even in that moment, it's like, Okay, is he the

618
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,880
hero or framing him as a good guy?

619
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,759
Speaker 2: And I think it's like they were conflicted, right because

620
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:56,400
it's a four player game where you could pick any

621
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,480
one of these characters, so they're like, well, we got

622
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,319
to give each one of them their time. They don't

623
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,200
even really accomplish that, but all it does is just

624
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,599
mess up the storytelling.

625
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,359
Speaker 1: All right, grub. I one of my favorite movie podcasts

626
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:12,279
specifically is The Rewatchables. They have a bunch of segments

627
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,839
that I enjoy. I'm gonna lift some.

628
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,039
Speaker 2: Of those podcasting works.

629
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lift some of those segments, and we're gonna

630
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:26,079
give out some awards here, grub. Okay, right, all right? Casting,

631
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,359
what ifs? Who do you think could have been maybe

632
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,119
made this movie a little bit better with a casting

633
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,640
or who could have substituted in for a different person.

634
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,519
Speaker 2: I think, across the board, get rid of everyone who's

635
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,680
in this movie and instead replace every single person with

636
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:48,440
a WWE superstar. Make this a WWE film, and then

637
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,279
it's like it really quickly becomes it's so bad it's good.

638
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:52,799
I think at that point.

639
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: We that's the problem as well, Grub, it's not even

640
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,240
bad that it's good. This is it is not a

641
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:00,920
fun to watch movie.

642
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,319
Speaker 2: Right, I was. I got to a point where I

643
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,279
was enjoying it because I'm just I was like, I

644
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,240
cannot believe this movie is hurting me as much as

645
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,720
it is, Like how is this possible? And I was

646
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,680
like curious to see how much more pain it could inflict.

647
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:13,519
But if that doesn't sound fun to you.

648
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right, Like cast cast montez Forda's Roland

649
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,039
and have him do the street profits gimmicks exactly.

650
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could do their finishing moves exactly.

651
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,759
Speaker 1: They could Yeah, oh my god, yeah yeah maybe not

652
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,599
Bronz Stroman as Kreeg clearly, yes, Tiny Tina could be

653
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,400
Alexa Bliss or lig Morgan either one.

654
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: They're already basically these characters.

655
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,839
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch's Lilith because neoon orange hair. Uh, and then

656
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Jamie Lee Curtis's character I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,

657
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,519
it's the rock there you go, perfect, Yeah, and then

658
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,160
have Dominic mysterio be clap trap there.

659
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: Oh god, he would be perfect. Stereo is perfect?

660
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,319
Speaker 1: Actually all right? Another segment from The Rewatchables. Could this

661
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,359
be remade as a ten episode Netflix series?

662
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,519
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, and I think it probably would be better,

663
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,119
but not good necessarily.

664
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, crub, I can't believe I'm about to say this.

665
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,640
I think Rebel Moon is a better movie than that.

666
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: I think Rebel Moon's better and Rebel Moon is complete

667
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,160
trash too, but it resembles filmmaking a little bit, like

668
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,799
it like looks like someone who's made a movie before,

669
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,119
and this this does not.

670
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, I can't believe those were just

671
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:36,319
exited my mouth.

672
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: I do think this movie is pretty close to being

673
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,640
on the level with a U Babel movie. I mean

674
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,119
it is higher budget, but in terms of like the

675
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,319
way I feel about the story and the characters, where

676
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,119
which is nothing, it is always how I felt about

677
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:47,920
you Babel movies.

678
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Next next segment or award

679
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,839
is Apex Mountain, whose movie is this the best work

680
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,799
that they will ever do top of their career?

681
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I again, I think when I look back

682
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,480
and I think about what has Cate Blanche had accomplished.

683
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,240
I will think about this movie in those terms a

684
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,599
little bit, like, clearly she's done better movies, but has

685
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:11,519
she done a movie that has had more of an

686
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,039
impact on me? I don't think so.

687
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: God, yeah can't.

688
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobby, this will be Bobby Lee's best movie. That's right,

689
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,920
Thank you, zig Free. That's good. A man.

690
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: I really wish we could talk about the thing I

691
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,199
want to talk about grub, but we can't. We can't

692
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,079
one day, one day, yeah, you know, yeah, one day

693
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,440
that's embargoed forever.

694
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not our story to tell. Really, everybody,

695
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,480
that's sorry to tease. We're just so excited about what

696
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,920
happened in this thing. We wish we could tell you

697
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,360
one day.

698
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm pretty sure I can share this. There was

699
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:52,800
a moment where mid interview, Bobby Lee stops the interview

700
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,880
in points at me and goes the Asian guy with

701
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,079
the mustache him and I vibe, and then he blew

702
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:07,559
a kiss to me. He yeah, he's a character, mister

703
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:11,840
Bobby Lee. Okay, okay, last couple of segments that rewatchables does.

704
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: That that interview is like up somewhere right, like.

705
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,119
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay. Emma goes with Janina,

706
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,880
Gavin car friend of the site, Bobby Lee, and Gosh,

707
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,320
I forget his name, he's Dutch in Red Dead Redemption

708
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,480
the bus driver in this movie? What what video game

709
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,320
would you adapt into a movie or TV show?

710
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,079
Speaker 2: Right? So you can watch the content that was produced

711
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:36,880
out of this at least?

712
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah?

713
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,679
Speaker 2: All right?

714
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: And the last segment is who won the movie? God?

715
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: Do we have to pick a winner? I don't know

716
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,239
if anyone won this movie. I think I think that

717
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,639
the streaming services have won this movie, because what's gonna

718
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:58,199
happen is after this one, everyone's gonna be like movies

719
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,800
are still too complicated and dificult to pull off for

720
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,559
a video game adaptation, So we should take them all

721
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,119
to Amazon and Netflix, and I think that they will

722
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,360
have more of the pick of the litter, even more

723
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,239
so than they had before.

724
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, even as a streamer movie. And like the morbid

725
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,360
curiosity to check it out grub, I can't say that

726
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,920
I'd be motivated because in the time that I had

727
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
unlimited paramount plus, I never once checked out the Halo

728
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:25,679
TV show.

729
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: No way, Yeah, I would rather do anything else, I think.

730
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, one more segment that The Rewatchables does. This

731
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,320
is called the Danny trayho Award. Would this movie have

732
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,360
been better or worse with the involvement of Danny Treyo better, It's.

733
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,079
Speaker 2: Usually got to be better, right for that one, Yeah,

734
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,599
it would be better. I would love that would have

735
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,320
at least popped a little bit, though, well, I probably

736
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,119
would have felt sad for him quickly after that, So

737
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:48,559
I don't know.

738
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: Danny tray Hoo is like clap trap for a second, you.

739
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, his programming gets scrambled and gets reset.

740
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,480
As Danny Treyo, I'd like.

741
00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, whenever I hit my head I

742
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:01,559
talking to like Danny Treyhoe.

743
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,199
Speaker 2: For a little Yeah, I call you myself onetic.

744
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's not a big hit at parties. It's

745
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,840
very it's kind of upsetting, just like this movie. Jeff Grebb,

746
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,880
do you think we'll see a sequel?

747
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: Fuck? No, no, absolutely not. We're not gonna yeah that

748
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,480
they're gonna bury this thing. Everyone that is not Randy Pitcher.

749
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,519
I mean, Randy Pittriord's gonna bury the movie. I mean, yeah,

750
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:24,239
it'll be something that will be a sore spot, Like

751
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,840
right now, he's making jokes about it, but that that

752
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,880
you know, that Dominic interview he did with Logan Paul

753
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,360
where Logan Paul's still but hurt that Dom's bringing up Japan.

754
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,760
That's how Randy Pittchrick's gonna feel about this movie in

755
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,719
the future if you bring it up. So, yeah, I

756
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,679
think this is the end of the Borderlands movie franchise.

757
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: Gosh. Yeah, yeah. I can't even see this doing well

758
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,360
in other markets because it's just not fun.

759
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm yeah, I think that. Uh. I think

760
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,000
I had like a sixteen million dollar total global opening,

761
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,679
so it made it about a smile and that's us how

762
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,320
it goes. You think about as much worldwide as you

763
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,159
do in the United States, and uh yeah, that's not

764
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:07,000
gonna save it here. Yeah, it's rough.

765
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Last question for your grub. Do you think this movie

766
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,239
will get referenced at all in the next border Lands game?

767
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some of the writers will try to

768
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,360
be cued with it. Yeah, I think I think they will.

769
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,119
I mean, you know that's scene in Evil Within two

770
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,000
where they're like they say, like the title of the

771
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:26,920
game and they like look at the screen. I think

772
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,880
they'll do that that in the next Borderlands game, and

773
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,679
that'll be fine. That's that's where the movie should live

774
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,679
is in vague references as jokes in the video games.

775
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: I hate that I'm gonna say this. I hate that

776
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,920
I'm gonna say this, Jeff Grubb, But I you and

777
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,320
Lucy talked about this earlier today on Game Miss Mornings.

778
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,039
But I am quite tired of Ryan Reynolds wholestick. Yeah,

779
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,400
I think this movie would have been better with Ryan Reynolds, yeah,

780
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,360
directing it and or writing it.

781
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because sort of being on set to like be

782
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,559
the guiding hand.

783
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Okay.

784
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: It's I mean, that's You're not wrong on both counts.

785
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,199
The shtick is getting old, and this movie would have

786
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,079
been greatly improved actually with his I mean, I think

787
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,519
having someone with any sense of humor and storytelling on

788
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,400
that set would have been a positive influence. Because we

789
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,559
talk about Kevin Hart was there checked out, Kevin Hart

790
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,840
was probably thinking about whatever five other projects he has

791
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,159
going on at any one time.

792
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: It's like Dwayne's not texting me back.

793
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

794
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,559
Speaker 1: God, Okay, Grub, what's the what's the next upcoming video

795
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,519
game adaptation? Is it the Last of Us?

796
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: Part two Last Us Part two is definitely coming up

797
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,400
pretty soon. There is I think, doesn't Sony have some

798
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,280
other ones in the works? You know, last I heard

799
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,119
that Horizon Show kind of got reset because it was

800
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:49,920
coming in over budget based on the scripts, and the

801
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,239
scripts weren't very good. But again, I hear that stuff,

802
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,320
and I don't follow Hollywood close enough to know how

803
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,039
much of an off, how much of a problem that is,

804
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,440
But that could still happen. I don't know. I'm not

805
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,639
sure what else is happening, especially at the movies. It

806
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,039
does feel like it's all streaming going forward.

807
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: You know, I did watch that New Kingdom of the

808
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,639
Plan of the Apes movie because the director is supposed

809
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,920
to direct the upcoming Legend of Zelda movie.

810
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,519
Speaker 2: That's right. I liked it.

811
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: It was good.

812
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to I have that. I'm going to watch

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,119
that at some point. I really like the previous ones

814
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,079
that weren't directed by him, so I'm gonna I'll check

815
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:30,920
this out. I like the actor that plays I think Proximus, Caesar, Caesar, Proximust,

816
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,039
whatever it is. I like that guy a lot, So

817
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,400
I'm like, Okay, I'll definitely check this out. But yeah,

818
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,360
I mean I think that's where we're at now. It's like, oh, hey, man,

819
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,239
that Zelda movie live action from Sony Pictures is happening. Yeah, Like, like,

820
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,760
what is that going to be able to buck this,

821
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:51,400
you know, this trend that. I mean, that's another show

822
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,559
that probably would be much better served as being a

823
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,840
streaming show where steaks are a tiny bit lower, but

824
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,480
the budget's still really high for a TV show, and

825
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,239
they can for like the world a little bit more, uh,

826
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,119
the way they do on you know, Lord of the

827
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:08,440
Rings TV shows and other stuff like that. But I

828
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,159
don't know, we'll see. I'm I'm hopeful.

829
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. It's just this seems like, uh, several steps

830
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,320
back after the last couple of years grab, but I'm.

831
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,119
Speaker 2: We're back, like bad video game movies are back, and

832
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:26,360
it's kind of cozy and and warm and homey. Like

833
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,679
I'm like, yeah, this is what it should be. I'm like,

834
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,400
I was never worried that we were not going to

835
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,880
get bad video game adaptations, and of course we were,

836
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:36,840
but I was like, there, they'll probably be bad in

837
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,559
a boring way. And as much as this is a

838
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:41,320
boring movie, the ways in which it is bad are

839
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,800
still pretty fascinating, So sure, sure, yeah, I mean I

840
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,239
think this will be right at home in the pantheon

841
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,320
of the dead or alive movie and even like like

842
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,559
a Double Dragon, Like I think it's like worse Double Dragon.

843
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:56,360
Even Double Dragon's kind of fun in some ways, this

844
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,480
is just not so Yeah, it's in that pantheon.

845
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,679
Speaker 1: I believe you and Mike ran like worst video game movies.

846
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did not Rushmore.

847
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would watch Street Fighter chun Lee several times

848
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:06,920
before this.

849
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of those movies that.

850
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,519
Speaker 1: Are shouts out to Kristin Kruk, what's up?

851
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: I think maybe and maybe in like ten years, this

852
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:16,760
might be an object of curiosity. It will, I think,

853
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,519
need that time to ripen into the kind of bad

854
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:21,280
that people are like kind of like remember that we

855
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,119
should watch that. It's gonna take a few years before

856
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,760
that can be the case, though, because right now it

857
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,840
just feels so sad.

858
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it feels it feels definitely, definitely really sad.

859
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,199
And folks, that about does it for today for this

860
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,639
week's episode of BombCast Revengeance. That's the beauty of the

861
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,639
BombCast Revengeance. This will serve for whatever we need it

862
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:43,119
to be. It's right, Jeff Grub and I are going

863
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,599
to get the hell off of this version of Pandora

864
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,760
and we're gonna go to the proper one.

865
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,599
Speaker 2: You watch Way of Water.

866
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:53,519
Speaker 1: You're right, jan I know. Oh my god, I almost

867
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,239
kicked Bailey off of that podcast. Ya for the Way

868
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,039
of Water slam watch your mouth. Oh my god. I

869
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,400
don't care that it's Women's Day a right, like it's

870
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,719
Way of Water Pandora. Right, God, it's a different frame

871
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,480
rate when they go on the water anyway, Jeff Grubb,

872
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,960
thank you for joining me, Folks of Christ, thank you

873
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,920
for joining me. Uh. At the end of the day,

874
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,480
don't even go watch this movie for curiosity's sake. It's

875
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:22,719
it's not bad enough.

876
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations on Randy pulling a fast one to get

877
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,199
this movie made. I'm well done, dude.

878
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: God, I hope he got to shake some hands and

879
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,679
now has like celebrity phone numbers in his phone.

880
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: He definitely does.

881
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: Oh boy boy. Folks will well, we'll kind of see

882
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,840
you next week for another episode of the Blombcast from Germany.

883
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,599
The cruise. Part of the cruise headed out to Games Calm.

884
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:45,639
We're going to record a podcast out there. We're going

885
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:48,159
to do our best to do that well. Jeff Grubb

886
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,519
and the home team hold down the Fort brub Thank

887
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:54,199
you for joining me.

888
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: People in chat would be fucking begging for way of

889
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,199
water if they were watching this movie right now, Manna

890
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,119
from head.

891
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: Oh just just let me burst in the Heurvens water.

892
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,480
I can't wait for fire and Ash now next year.

893
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:11,840
So God, there was like a headline I saw rolling

894
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,239
around read it today saying that Michelle Yo won't be

895
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,079
released until Avatar four. And I don't know if that

896
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:20,559
means James w Yo. I don't know James Carmeron is

897
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:23,079
holding Michelle Yo hostage. We'll figure it out. We'll see

898
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,000
you next week for another episode. Oh joy bubba.

899
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: God.

900
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,559
Speaker 3: Roland only has one gun in this movie. He doesn't

901
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,719
shoot the little girls and you're like, they're not special.

902
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,559
He he never fires off a turret ever. There is

903
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,400
a turret sequence though, on top of the car.

904
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,679
Speaker 2: I don't know who fired that, yeah, but I was like, yeah,

905
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,679
turt sequence a video game movie automated turret. Yeah, that's right.

906
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,599
Speaker 1: When when are when Tiny Team is throwing like the

907
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,559
rabbits at Lilith and they were just like the worst

908
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,039
throws in the world.

909
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made that real, Like all those explosions really boring.

910
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,039
Speaker 1: God, I'm so sorry to everyone, but you got paid, right,

911
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:11,920
you got paid.

912
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,199
Speaker 2: You got paid.

913
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,559
Speaker 1: Stainted him, blad