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Speaker 2: Aged you talk about extreme, what is happening and what
is up?
Speaker 3: Hold out your glass because we're about to fill it.
Speaker 1: Up torches high, you know, look at it from a
different perspective, different perspective, different.
Speaker 4: Okat what is going on all my local guys and gals,
and we are not going to forget about those long
distance fausies through.
Speaker 3: We're back.
Speaker 5: I'm cue an' you gotta have theme there it is.
Speaker 3: Eh.
Speaker 5: It's good to see you fellas well.
Speaker 3: I'm waiting on your We're back, We're back.
Speaker 5: Listen, buddy, I'm losing it. I think I think your voice.
I think my voice has finally stopped cracking. I think
I've I've got my man voice now.
Speaker 3: He finally made it through puberty.
Speaker 5: Made it through. I'm a real boy.
Speaker 3: That was a long time son.
Speaker 5: Listen, buddy. We we all age differently. It is what
it is, but yeah, it is. It is good to
see you guys. But it is crazy to think about
why we're talking tonight when you really think about it
and go back to think that this is the end
of our third season, the end of the road. That
is crazy to think about it is it is the
end of our third season, but it's still just the beginning.
I think we're learning a lot on the way. I mean,
this has turned into so much more than the Dig
and what spawned off this, you know, with with the
Prometheus Lens with Ben has been starting to show that's
more about fixing jeeps and and and things of that nature,
but still very family friendly, muddy piss and garage. Get
excited for that. A couple of other friends had started
the Vessels podcast after we started the Dig, uh you know,
Liz and Keisha and Leslie started the Mustard Seed podcast.
All this stuff was spurred on because we took a
step of faith when we felt God was pushing this
in a direction and we started to dig. This is
back three years ago, and to think about that we're
here right now and the fact that there's no there's
nowhere for us to go but up from here. I mean,
we we're just gonna keep growing. We're gonna keep doing
what we're supposed to do. We're going to keep getting
the word of God out to people. We're going to
keep digging into the strange, into the supernatural, into the
things that the Bible tells us about that everybody else
is scared to talk about. We're going to keep going
that way. And man, I'm just I'm just excited and
happy that you guys have been on this journey with me.
Speaker 3: It don't seem like it's been three years.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: It's blown by.
Speaker 4: Yep, time flies on your Yeah. And we're even talking
pre ro too. It's cool how you know, we've all
kind of started doing our own little thing, but it's
still all tied together. And even how we're talking about
our future plans, we're all three still tied in together.
And even with our future plans, we're talking about how
we're going to be co producing together and how it's
all going to be, we're still going to be interlay together.
Even in our our separate adventures, we're growing together.
Speaker 5: That is that's pretty wild. That's what it's all about.
And this is and this is cool because it you know,
just like anything in your life, it can be the
you know, the front page of the book. You know
you have to open it at some point and the
dig is what did that for me at least, and
I think it did for for both of you guys too,
And that was the front page of the book. And
as you keep going through, you know, more and more
things happen each each each chapter, something changes and there's
something new, and there's something as exciting, and we keep growing,
like you said, and it's so cool that I see
Justin succeeding at what he's doing. I see Ben branching
out into things that I never thought he'd do. I
mean quite literally, hey, but that that's how you learn.
And then, you know, we just we keep pushing forward
in this and and and some of the documentary stuff
that we're going to be doing too. I mean, Justin's
already got some documentaries that he's working on under on
the on the download right now. I'm not going to
spoil anything, I promise, but we got some documentaries that
are gonna come out from the Prometheus lens. We got
some stuff that's going to come out from a full
different side of things, from a full different angle, but
we're all still going to have our hands on these
things and it's just going to be an amazing, amazing
I don't know. I don't know how else to put
it other than just a step of faith and where
it puts you is is pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And what's really cool with all this from my perspective
is this journey with with the dig.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 4: It really taught me to dream and to be a
dreamer because I was always Ridgy the realist, and even
growing up, I always was the big goof off. I
never fully applied myself. I remember my mother and my
guidance counselor at school, you know, what are you going
to be when you grow up? And I'm gonna be
a factory rat. I mean I look around, That's what
everybody was. Everybody when they got out of school, they
went straight to the factory. And that's that's what I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to be. And didn't really dream.
Speaker 4: And I remember my my ex wife Rebecca used to
ask me all the time, you know, what's your dream?
If you could be anything or do anything, you know,
what would you do or.
Speaker 2: Want to be.
Speaker 4: I could never answer that question because I never stopped
to take the time to do that. I just couldn't.
I thought that was pointless and useless. I was like,
I don't know, I have to waste the time I
have to go to work, I have to take make
money to pay for food and housing. And why I
waste time doing that. I was never a dreamer. I
thought that stuff was out of my reach. And doing
this because you pushed me, Steve, you know, to do this,
it opened up a whole new world. You know, it's
like a lad and you know, a whole new world.
Speaker 3: He's good at he's good at pushing. Yeah, he pushed.
He kind of pushed the girls onto the I wouldn't
say pushed, but you helped, Yeah, I did. But it
allowed me to dream for the first time in my life.
Speaker 4: And and I found something that I was passionate about
and that I enjoyed, and it give me purpose. And
I was having, you know, an effect on people, and
I had a purpose in life. And I was writing,
you know, writing books and doing episodes and research. And
then I found that I loved film and doing research.
And then I found that I could, you know, make
money and do this thing that I love to do.
And and it's just been an amazing journey and and
thank you, Steve.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't think I could take credit
for that, because I truly believe that this was all.
This is all God, this is this is something. The
way it happened in the beginning, and we've talked about
it before, but he brought four of us together in
a Bible study that a bunch of guys were supposed
to be there, and only four of us ever showed up,
so we started this. Ever, it was just us, so
we started a bottle. And the one time I remember this,
I was going I think it was for one of
the kid's birthdays or something, and we were at the
Wilderness at the thing and the Smoke He's the water park,
and you recorded that night, were filmed it live. I
can't remember how you did it.
Speaker 3: I think we face.
Speaker 5: I think you did it because I watched it and
still was part of it. And I was so excited
about that that I still got to beat because I
didn't want to miss anything. And it just a Bible
study we were doing, and there was just the four
of us, and you know, granted only there's there's three
of us here now and and but we still all
are you know, pushing forward, but the fact that it
started out as that and just you know, we're sitting
there and I'm like, my gosh, and and the same
thing that I've heard, you know a lot of different
people talk about actually was you know Ricky from the
Christian uh huh Theological dark Web podcast, right, he always
talks about that, like the things they won't talk about
in church. I mean, that's something he brings up all
the time on their little shorts and all the things
they do. And it's what we said. I'm like, my gosh,
all these different things that that we're talking about and
seeing like this isn't brought up. These are very important
things that that that are the cultural context the reason
that we we're just not reading the Bible the right way.
Everybody tries to take this context and put it into
into our life right now, like it just fits for
right now. But it wasn't written to us at this time.
Certain parts of it were let's let's not get totally
off there, but the Book of Corinthians was written to
the church in corinth I mean it just was. We
can definitely take things from that. There's some amazing things
we can take from that we're supposed to learn from that,
but it wasn't written to us. So when we sat
there and we were talking about Genesis six and trying
to understand where you know a lot of these the
Nephilm and and you know fallen angels and this, you
know Ephesian six twelve, you know, what are these powers
in this unseen realm? Reading Mike Heiser's book The Unseen Realm,
what that did for me open my eyes so much.
And we start talking and justin You've always been very
good researcher, reader, full of knowledge, And I was like,
we have to record this. This has to be recorded.
It just has to be because this stuff is just
too good. And I think that was something that God
really wanted to have happen. And I think that's why
he's bless this, why he's made it this way, and
why he's blessing all of us, even in the individual
different directions, that we're going well at the same time
maintaining the core. So I just think it's such a
It's been such a special thing to me. It's been
a life changing thing for me. It's been a growth
for me getting to know you guys, because when we
started that Bible study. I would say you guys were
acquaintances of mine, because I really didn't talk to you
guys much at all prior to that. But I said, hey,
there's a like I think my wife was on the
worship team with you at church Justin and she's like, yeah,
he talks about bigfoot and stuff. I'm like, I like
him already, like this is what you know. And so
then we start that Bible study thing, and I guess, yeah,
I didn't know you guys.
Speaker 4: I was reading Michael Haiser and I was actually doing
videos on Facebook talking about some of this weird fringy
stuff on Facebook, and she had seen a few of them,
and me and her talked a little bit about it
at praise team practice and then she's like, yeah, you
and my husband Steve need to talk. And then I
think one day we just kind of started talking about
the unseen realm and angels breeding with the daughters of
men and Nephlom giants, and then that kind of got
my gears turning, and I'm like, hey, there's a few
people here at church that's kind of hip to this stuff.
Speaker 3: Man. Maybe I just need to get a little small
group together. I wouldn't even hit to it. I just like, yeah,
I need I mean, you know, I pulled security at church.
I was back here in the back. I didn't know
Steve from Adam. Yeah, we threw that into the deep end.
Any of this stuff. No, I still don't know floaties
or nothing.
Speaker 2: We just threw you in.
Speaker 3: And I'm a heavy boy. I just sunk so like
a rock. Yeah, but yeah, it was. It was definitely
a wild has been a wild trip we got. Yeah,
I'm gnaw that. I'm gnaw that. Studier. I'm like you
justin said, I just barely made it through school, not
not because I was dumb, because I didn't try. And
like how you talk about the guidance counselors told me,
you just put in a little bit of effort. You know,
I got bored. I was like, yeah, whatever, it's stupid.
But so but it's like, well, it's like doing the
the gog and make dog. I actually had to do
some digging on that one.
Speaker 5: We're gonna we're gonna make you do that a little more.
I'm gonna get the cattle pride out and put a
Bible in front of you, and and and we're gonna
get you we're gonna get.
Speaker 3: Your I'll get you, I'll get you the proude and
i'll take the batteries that limit.
Speaker 4: But I remember we uh, we got some pushback in
our in our small little town.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was people didn't Yeah. I think
it was more they didn't understand what we were doing.
Speaker 2: Because talkality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that and and what you hear from a
lot of people, it's you need to be bringing people
to Jesus. That what you're not bringing people to You're
not even talking about Jesus. How how is this a
Bible podcast If you're not bringing people to Jesus. Well,
that's great, people need to come to Jesus. But this
is like we've said all along, that's milk, milk and honey,
we're we're giving some meat after you've discovered Jesus and
you're trying to further the walk with them, and which
go ahead. Well, it's Wednesday night. Doug was talking about
it even he said that you know, you can go
to these churches that all every Sunday services get right
with the Lord, get saved, and and all twelve people
there are already saved because they're the only twelve that
ever go, but every they're not, they're not furthering their
walk with Christ or nothing. So they're just standing steel.
Well I'm saved. Let's let's I mean that obviously has
a point you know of you know, these tent revivals
and all that, they have their place, but we're stepping
beyond that to go deeper. And we've come heard a
lot of topics. I think it's important too, and I
think you're right. I agree with you one hundred percent,
but I think it's when you the hard part is right,
the church a lot of times is there for the
people that are sitting there, like yep, I want to
know about Jesus. I'm ready to understand Jesus, and they
come in and it's great, it's awesome.
Speaker 5: I want that. I want people to be there. I
want people to want to talk about Jesus. The hard
part is is that a lot of times and this
is what's really sad. And this is where people I
hate that people go to church once or twice, feel
judge and they never go again. What happens is people
come in, maybe they've been maybe they were druid or
wicked in the past. Maybe they they have you know,
had been someone who've seen ghosts or had crazy things
happen in their life, and then they come to church
and people like, no, that's not real. Nope, Nope, that's
not you know, and we the church has become very
spiritually blind and the whole idea of what this supernatural
realm is as a whole, and it is super important.
Like I said it, the Gospel is the core we
have to meet. You know, in that Gospel, there's no doubt.
But when we don't sit there and take the time
to feed and look for everybody, right, we're trying to
get outside of just that realm of people that are
in church. I want to find somebody who wants to
have a conversation that has been like listen, I was.
I practiced witchcraft for most of my life. I've seen
I've conjured things, things have come up. I've seen this.
I went to church and they told me, oh, no, whatever,
you know, you get judged for this that it is
no Listen, I know that stuff's real. I know that
stuff's there. Yea, the Bible talks about it. Don't don't
ignore those things, these weird things that are uncomfortable for
us in the Bible that people don't like to talk
about are very real. If it's in there, it's important.
If it's weird in the Bible, what Hiser always said,
it's important, these things are there. And that's why it's
so important for us to reach those people too, to say,
look at you're right, there are things out there. They
might not be what you think they are, but they
are out there. There's some there's a very supernatural world
all around us. Is a supernatural war that's happening all
around us. And if we don't understand that, then we're
already losing.
Speaker 3: That's true. And you know why would why would God
say not to do it if it wasn't real. That's
like saying, all right, kids, make sure you look under
you gotta make sure the boogeyman's not underneath your bed
before you go to bed at night. You ain't gonna
tell there ain't a such thing as a boogieman, but
you do tell him to look both ways for across
the road, because there is such thing as that caller
coming down running over So but.
Speaker 5: The boogeyman does look for Chuck Norris under his bed.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean yeah, I mean, let's be I'm sure
there's a Boogeyman somewhere but not underneath our beds, and
he's got to watch out for eld Chuck Norris Son.
Speaker 5: Well, I guess you know. We sit there and we
talk about I just I love reminiscing about all this.
I love looking back and seeing you know, where it's been,
to where it's going, or to where we are now,
to where it's going past that because there is so
much and there's so many things happening, and it's like
a it's it's just a spider. All this just branches
out into so many different things. It's a huge web, right,
it branches out into so many different directions, and it's
going to keep going that way because it's just another way.
God blesses it, and it gives you another way to
reach people in a different way. And each one of
our ministries or shows, whatever you however you want to
talk about it, each way that we're going or is
going to reach different people. So this show that started
out reaching just this group of people. Awesome. You know,
everybody who's watching this, I love you. I'm so happy
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Share it with everybody you can. If it's not for you. Great,
I mean it isn't for you, but I just think
if you're ready to start understanding more of the weird
stuff in the Bible, you need to tune in. But now,
with all the other shows and the different things that
we're doing, we're going to be able to reach people
in so many different walks of life that we wouldn't
have reached otherwise if we had just stuck with this
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Speaker 5: So with that being said, though, I think it's important
to look back on a couple of the things that
we think maybe were some of the cooler things this
year that we've been and maybe people who are watching
us haven't seen it and could go back and listen
or watch some of these things. Because we have some
some amazing speakers, we've had some just great content shows
that have been original research here, and then we've had
some One of my favorite things, and I'll start off
with it, was our deep dive in the Book of Enoch.
Absolutely love that and I loved getting it because you
read it and I have my perspective on it, but
then I get Ben's, I get justice, we get everybody's
ideas on what this could mean, what that could mean,
and it just helps pull that picture together. It was
such a cool time to go through that and do
that study with you guys.
Speaker 3: Definitely was interesting.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And that was something too that at the time when
we were brainstorming at the end of last year on
shows to do that, we had brought up and I
had said that I don't think that I heard a
podcast do that. I'd heard, you know, podcasts, you know,
do an episode or talk about Enoch, but I hadn't
seen an actual show do an actual you know, study
and just go through and break this thing down. So
it was kind of a as far as I know,
a first of its kind. Now, it wasn't a Mi
Kaiser verse by verse, but it was definitely a bold
move for a couple of rednecks in the garage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's how most people are going to read it, right,
most people are gonna look at that, and they're they're
gonna look at it with fresh eyes, as we did.
For some of it. We've definitely earlier parts of that,
like chapters like eight through like twelve are really our
Genesis six. You know what I mean that we it's
that it fills in that holes for us about the
Watchers and you know, the knowledge and all the different
things that come out of that. But when you get
past that and you start diving, I'm looking at with
fresh eyes, and so many other people will look at
that with fresh eyes too, and it's really cool to
just be like, you know what this is, this is
how I see it, this is what I think this
could mean. This is what I think this could mean.
And you know, we're very honest, like this could mean
this I don't know, but this is what it could be.
Pointing to and you see a lot of symbolism and
the numbers and the way that things are presented. I mean,
there's so much in the direction. Oh it's a east
to west direction, it's a you know, these different things
that you see, and there's a lot of supernatural spiritual
connotations throughout that. And it's just such a cool book
for that reason. But man, I do love it probably
the most, just because it gives you. Once again, I'm
just gonna preface this because you know how people get
about the book at Enoch. It is not canonical, right,
I'm not saying this is in the Bible, not saying
that this is from the word of God from his mouth, whatever.
But it's a historical account and could it be embellished, definitely.
Could there be things that were changed over time, for sure.
But to me, it gives you the best look into
potentially what happened at that Genesis six event, and it
fills in those puzzles because if you go back in
eight verses, the world goes from the angels came down
and had intercourse with the the you know, the sons
of God have intercourse with the daughters of Adam, right,
and here we are like then then the flood has
to happen. Everybody has to die. God's not mean. God's
not sitting there just looking to pick somebody off. So
in those eight verses, you know, we just always read
it and say, oh, I guess something bad happened. That's
just you know, it was bad. It was corrupt, everything
was wholly corrupt. What does that mean? So without having
those pieces which back then they understood it, right, They
had this information, they had these books, they had this stuff,
and so they were able to they didn't when the
writer wrote this, Right, Moses is writing this, He's like,
don't need to, don't need Yeah, exactly everybody knows this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But that goes back to the whole writing in
their time. Like we was talking about, some books are
not meant for us, but we can learn this. Things
happen over and over and over in society, so they
can still be applied, but they wasn't directed exactly towards
us in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: And what puts the baby to bed with me is people,
I hate that you have to build this defensive wall
when talking about this book for those certain types of Christians,
because everything that you said in defense of this view
of the book Enoch. If we're being honest, you can
say about your cannon. If we're being honest, your cannon, yes,
divine inspied word of God, but it was written by
human people. If we look through all the scrolls found,
we find different variants, different wordings, scribes, you know, I mean,
And there's verses in our warning you you know, curse.
It is the person who adds or takes away why
you know, just like Ben, you guys have said many times,
why say that if it was not possible or not
being done. So it's like, we have to be honest
with ourselves. And this book of Enoch was mentioned and
quoted word for word in your canon that us as
Christians hold so near and dear to our heart and
our New Testament. Writers quoted Jude, which was Jesus's half brother,
quotes it word for word. Many people and scholars have
argued that the red letters, some of these read letters,
are quoting out of First Enoch. In reference First Enoch,
Peter quotes from Enoch. So it's like, if you have
all these references from the apostles that followed Christ, even
Christ's half brother direct quoting from it. I feels good
enough for all them. It should be good enough for.
Speaker 3: You at least read.
Speaker 2: There's yeah, but no, but here hear this.
Speaker 4: If it if it was good enough for the people
that wrote the book that you say is divine inspire
and hold so near and dear to your heart, why
is it not good.
Speaker 2: Enough for you?
Speaker 3: That's a good one good and the Holy spirital guide
you through the book. You know. Granted, like Steve said,
is there some embellishments in there?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 4: There some mistakes in there. Probably, But that's what the
Holy Spirit's for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll, he'll, he'll guide you.
Speaker 5: I'll say the same thing to to what you're saying.
To add to this, right when when we go back
and we look parts of First Enoch were found in
the Dead Sea scrolls. Now the Dead Sea scrolls, you
know the s scenes up at Cumran, and if if
you haven't looked into that, you know the three major
religious sects Pharisees, Sadducees, and s scenes. We don't hear
a lot about the scenes obviously in the Bible, but
you hear a lot about the Pharisees and Sadducees. But
the as scenes right in these these these scrolls up
in the caves and Cumran, where the Dead Sea scrolls
were found, they would write what they called peshures, which
were it's it's their version of a commentary basically on
the on the Jewish books of the of their Bible.
Right that the Jewish books like on Isaiah are these
books that were prior to them. They had what they
called peshures, and they would only do that for books
that they deemed extremely First Enoch. They found a pressure
that goes along with First Enoch, a commentary on First
Enoch that they found in the Dead Sea scrolls at Comran.
So you know this was important to them biblically. You know,
this is important to them as far as the understanding
the history of their world. Because it's a history book, right,
I can sit there and tell you know, in World
War One, this happened, in World War Two, this happened.
Guess what you know where I got that from. I
got that from a history book. Not saying the history
book hasn't been embellished or change or were given a
certain part of it, but it's from a history book.
I wasn't there, But just because I wasn't there, do
I believe that First World War happened.
Speaker 3: No, I know what happened and it's not in your Bible.
That doesn't mean it didn't happen. That's something that keels. Yeah,
they can't write people that.
Speaker 4: Man, if it ain't in that book, it didn't happen.
It's like, come on, that makes you look so ignorant.
I mean it does.
Speaker 3: I know that's blunt, but I mean it is what
it is.
Speaker 5: If everything was in that book, you no one would
ever be able to read it because it would fill up.
I couldn't think about it.
Speaker 3: You couldn't how many lifetimes is the Bible cover? You
only have one, so you couldn't read it regardless if
you never pulled your nose out of it.
Speaker 5: This is this is even so much why I think
that's even more important for people to understand that you
know not you know, you know, you know an ancient book.
We don't know exactly when it was written. There's some
ideas and guesses, but we don't know exactly when it
was written, or who wrote it, or if it's transcribed
by somebody, if it was just oral tradition that somebody
later wrote, and we don't know. But when you go
back and you look at for example, if you go,
I mean this is this is one of my favorite examples.
You talk about this, Ben, how did Peter die?
Speaker 3: Did you signed on the cross upside down?
Speaker 5: Is that written in the Bible? No, but it's written
in over thirty other historian books that are not biblical.
But yet accept that is true, right, you know, the
same thing.
Speaker 3: It's Jerome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jerome said that that Paul was beheaded the exact
same day by Nero. The same day. I think it's
a seventh year of Nero's reign that they were that
Jerome writes they were martyred on the same day. This,
But we just believe that, and we believe, well we don't.
I mean, we believe these things are true, that all
these with the exception of John, were martyred. But there's
only what is it, two or three that are we
talked about in the Bible. I can't remember off the
top of my head how many were actually martyred that
it talks about in the Bible. But we have the
accounts of all the others in all these other historical books,
so we can't leave these historians out. Like Joe Siphis
is one of the coolest ones to read to me,
because Josepha's had some really Inhretitus, I like a lot too.
But these historians have a lot of really cool stuff
that points like, you know, Joseph, it's not a Christian,
he's Jewish guy that was not a Christian, but talks
about Jesus, talks about this stuff in his in his
in his writings, he talks about this stuff.
Speaker 4: So he's a good example too. He writes down stuff
and tells and documents and writes about things that were
long long before him.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So if we find a document of him talking about
something that happened thousands of years before him, right, and
we find that and we date his writings to the
time frame that he lived, but he's talking about something
that happened thousands of years ago, how easy would it
be for somebody to say, oh, this is a forgery
because he's talking about this timeframe, but we date it
to this timeframe, right, it was written looking back the
story he's telling. That doesn't make the story he's telling false.
This is a story that was told through oral tradition,
passed along for how many forever how long until it
was finally written down and that's how Enoch and some
of these other stories the Book of Jasher, and that's
what a lot of people make the mistake because they
date these texts and these writings, they say, oh, it's
a forgery. It was dated to this date, so therefore
it proves it it's a fake. No, you're missing the point, daddy.
These were oral traditions that were passed along for thousands
of years, well tooken care of until finally somebody like Flavus,
Josephus or Mo This took the time to write them down.
So even if you do all your scientific dating and
investigations and pinpoint it to a date that proves that
it's not as old as it says it is, that
doesn't prove that the account is false. I mean, ninety
percent of the things that we have that are historical documents,
they weren't. You know, like today live at five, we
have such and such on.
Speaker 2: The scene reporting that.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I mean, things were pasted orally for thousands of years
until someone finally took the time to write it down.
And that's something we need to get through our head.
Speaker 5: Or tell God told them to write it down, because
you'll see very specific they're all inspired. But if you look,
it'll be like, you know, right, like what is what
does what does the angel say to John in revelation?
Write these diyst write these words down?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: He tells him to write this down while he's on
pat mouse in a cave, you know, with pretty limited supplies.
He's writing this stuff down just it is. You're right,
it's it's pretty crazy to think about the way that
if we go back to the time and this is
where I struggle with this, and we don't need to
go too deep into it, because I seem to fall
back into this almost every episode. But if we go
back into the biblical times, if we go back into
when Jesus is there, the First Church has created all
these people, they believe these things. They had these a
very supernatural view. There was people, you know, having demons
cast out, and if and if you were you had
some issue or there was some mental health, they thought
you were possessed or you would sin these things. It
was a very supernatural view. And we've lost that down
the way, and it's that whole There's a couple different
great quotes, but the one that I always have loved
is the greatest trick that the devil ever polled was
making the road think he didn't exist. Back then, everybody
knew there was the supernatural realm. People were still sacrificing,
you know, you go back to the Old Testament, We're
sacrificing children to Molac. We're seeing these other gods being
venerated and all this. It was a very supernatural world.
Now we've gotten to a point where we've taken that away.
We've gotten way past even that age of reason right,
and we're into the part where we just kind of
let everybody else tell us what to do, and we
just kind of do our thing. We live our own life.
We live in the matrix esque. Ignorance is bliss, and
we don't have that understanding of the supernatural realm that
they did in biblical times, that they did throughout all
the writings. If you just go through and read your
New Testament and don't just skip over of because you
don't understand it, look up, see what it means, see
what they're talking about, dig into it. I just it
just blows me away how many things I used to
look over and just be like, yeah, I don't know
what that means. So I'm just gonna keep going. And
now I'm like, if I don't get it, I'm like, Okay,
this is going to mean something cool. I can tell already.
I got to look and see where this came from.
What does this mean? Probably important, It's probably important, And
I think that's where this is. This to me has
been a passion of mine lately. It's just that we
need to the fact that we don't even have an enemy.
The church doesn't see an enemy right now. They don't understand.
And like you said Ben earlier, but oh, come to Jesus.
Come to Jesus. These people, and there's a lot of
them that do come to Jesus. But if you don't
ever take the next step, you don't grow in your faith.
It's the parable of the sower, you know, with the
seed on the path right quick roots and then they
get trampled out. This stuff happens all the time. And
if we don't feed that faith, if we don't continue
on that path, if we're not diving into our Bible,
if we're not trying to to grow as a Christian.
You can't just go to church once a week, have
somebody talk to you for half an hour and think that, oh,
that's all I needed. Now, I'm I'm my cup is full,
I'm good to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that's not important, because I do
believe it is. But your call is to do more
than just go and listen to somebody. Your call is
to dig into the Word yourself. Your call is to
talk to to talk to God directly, to be in
prayer to There's just so much And the fact the
crazy part is is that I'm gonna be done after this.
I'm sorry. But the crazy part is to me is
that we sit there and we look at think about
back in the day, you know, for them to have
Molot do what they wanted to do, they had to
sacrifice a child, or if you go back to the
Inking or Mayan empires, you know, we talk about that
temple that I think it was the Mayan temple that
was at tailed to chip Line or something. I think
it was what it was called. And when they consecrated
that temple in four days, they sacrificed eighty four thousand people.
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Speaker 2: It was a temple of sile.
Speaker 5: And they think, they think right that this is what's
needed for the gods to do what they what they
need them or want them to do. We can just
talk to ours. He wants the relationship with you, He
wants to just have that that talk with you. I
don't have to go and sacrifice a cat to talk
to him. He's right there.
Speaker 2: Sh it's his blood for you exactly.
Speaker 5: So this part, that's the part that just blows me
away that we don't take advantage of that. His word.
You can pick it up, it's in your hand. You
can read it anytime. You can talk to him anytime.
I don't care what country you're in here, a communist country,
you might not be allowed to have a Bible, but
guess what, you can talk to him anytime.
Speaker 3: That Joe, Joe.
Speaker 5: Well, a lot of people back back that far didn't
and actually you were only allowed to listen to the
the priests actually read the scrolls. A lot of people
weren't educated enough to read them.
Speaker 3: Well, they just read them too, from what I understand.
They didn't really go into explaining it. But that's just
what I understand, of course.
Speaker 5: But I digress from that that train, because we've ye,
you jump on that one a lot, so I know
I can't help it, dude. God's given me a lot
of fire on that right now, because I just see
the church as a whole, across this country, across the
world is missing the mark, and we're not necessary.
Speaker 3: A bunch of them completely removing the mark.
Speaker 5: But that's that's what we're saying their Yeah, some are
pulling them fully away and some are just not They're
just not watering the seed. And that's that's just as
scary to me because those people will be the first
ones to fall away when things get tough.
Speaker 3: That's true. So or they think it's all hunky dory
and not prepared for when it gets bad.
Speaker 5: At Romans five three through five, remember that just be
grateful for when hard things happen because it builds endurance,
and endurance builds character. Those things are it's it's so important.
We're going to be tested. Bad things are going to happen.
We have to know that. But you have to have
the Gospel in your heart. You have to have faith,
you have to have all these things because that's the
only way that you can get through these things is
with God.
Speaker 3: So yep, true, we're done.
Speaker 5: I'm promised. I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 2: Which you know, We've had a lot of.
Speaker 4: Good conversations this year, and I gotta be careful because
I know this is all be aired fairly soon, and
we've got a lot more conversations and I don't know
which ones is wan to be released this season right
then go back and be saved for next season. So
that's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to go back
to what I know has been released that I did enjoy,
and I'm probably gonna butcher her last name, So forgive
me if I do, but Carrie Madige I think my day.
But she was very interesting conversation and she had a
very interesting testimony to uh. We met her for the
first time was at the conference in Dallas, and she
spoke there and she gave a very out of the
box talk about cern and supernatural and we immediately went
out and reached out to her and ask her to
come on the show and.
Speaker 2: Had a very.
Speaker 4: Just fascinating testimony. She survived a plane crash, and I
really enjoyed talking to her, and we actually had her
on a second time. Have we released that second talk yet.
Speaker 5: I have to look at that. I have to see
what To be honest, I have to look. But I'll
tell you her her insight is pretty remarkable and the
fact that she what I love about her is that
she doesn't care what you think. She's going to say
what she believes, and she doesn't care what you think.
She's not gonna bend to what somebody says. And she's
gone through a lot of persecution on her the COVID vaccine,
She's gone through a lot of persecution on some of
the other things that she's brought up, some of her
just beliefs and and and really digging into supernatural, the
power of prayer, just so many different things that she
really digs into. If you listen to that episode, you'll
see why she fits in really well with this channel.
So that's definitely our vibe where it's it's Jesus and
uh and and all that supernatural stuff too. So yeah,
that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4: I mean, she's even doing a study like where she
was talking to us about they were taking blood samples
of people that had illnesses and different things, and they
were just praying, putting hands on someone and praying over
them and playing praise music and stuff like that, and
then uh drawing, like drawing blood from a sick person
and then putting hands on them, praying and playing praise
music and things like that, and then drawing blood immediately
after and comparing under a microscope. I thinks what it was, right,
I think, and that they were running tests on it
and was showing that through prayer and praise music and
things like that, that they were healing people and they
were showing like basically scientifically.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about, but this
is something where we just don't we can't fathom. First
of all, the power of prayer and how God works, right,
there's so much to be said by you know, the word.
You know, God gives us. God gives us some of
his I don't want to say ability, but you know,
he bestows on and he bestowed on the apostles, the
power to heal individuals, cast out demons, things like this
Holy spirit inside of us gives us some of that
same ability, right because God's with us and it's not
us doing it, it's God using us as a two.
So when we have that with us, it is the
things that God can do with us. You think about
go back to Genesis and God say, you know, and
God said, it's a spoken word. The power of words,
the power of prayer, the power of what God can
do through you is it's really it's it's unlimited because
of who God is, who he is, it says faith,
the size of a mustard seed can move mountains, and this.
Speaker 2: Is because I'm Magnus wanted to purchase it.
Speaker 5: Yes, he did. Didn't go so well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And she said that even that same group she
was working with us had come up with basically healing water,
said that they were.
Speaker 2: Well, was it through.
Speaker 3: The triple for frequency or something like that?
Speaker 4: That that powerful from lobsters, right, yea, that lobster water. Yeah,
I was thinking a lobster water and they were playing
some kind of harmonic frequency because she said water has
a memory, and that they were throwing that frequency at
the water and that it was holding that frequency in
the water and that when you drank it that it
was had like healing properties and stuff.
Speaker 5: Pretty amazing to think about. I mean, you think.
Speaker 2: About this, it's a great conversation.
Speaker 5: This is God's creation. It's unbelievable what his creation can do,
and we'll never fathom it, not till we get up
there and they're able to ask all the questions we
want to ask, you know. But both those conversations were
very enlightening and excellent. Yeah, that was very good. If
you go back way at the beginning, the first episode
we had of the year was Gary Wayne. That was
the very first one of the season, and Gary Wayne
talking about bloodlines and nephelom. Gary is. Anybody in this
space knows Gary is, and Gary was amazing. Gary had
such insight and really dug into the bloodlines and where
the nephelom, not just who they were and where they were,
but where they are now and that that might blow
your mind. So if you want to dig into a
little bit about why were the nepheloms so important? Why
does that matter to us today? Gary is a pretty
interesting guy with a lot of insight. So that one
blew me away quite a bit. And I'll be honest,
I couldn't get it. I was I couldn't get a
word in because Gary's on fire. He just goes. Gary
loves it. He's he's an amazing, amazing individual.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's well researched and he's like the energizer bunny man.
Once you put the batteries in, just step back man,
let him go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's another one that you you know who else
we had And that's funny. It feels like it's been forever,
but we had Ryan on Ryan Peterson on towards the
beginning of the year two. I want to get him
back on the beginning of this next year I got
to reach out to him. There is something about Ryan.
Speaker 3: Like that guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that guy. There's something about you sitting
down with him. Even the very first time we met him,
it felt like it was Yeah, it was like your
best friend. He's just like, Hey, this guy was just awesome,
easiest guy to talk.
Speaker 4: He's been like really busy man, or he's been like
on a sabbatical or something. He had me on his
Thursday Night Theology a few let's back and then he
agreed to do a Q and A on my show,
and we started emailing back and forth try to set
up a date, and then we just kind of lost contact.
I emailed him a couple of times and never heard
back from him. Imailed him a few times and I've
not heard back from I mean, so, I don't know
if he's just uh turned off these emails for a while,
and there's this deep diving into his writings and work
or taking a sabbatical or what I have to reach
back out to him. I haven't tried to contact him
in a month or two.
Speaker 5: I would definitely recommend digging into both of his books,
though it is the was it the judgment of the
Nephilo and the Last nephil in return. Whether the return
now there was the last Netflik, I can't remember. It's
one of those two either way, Ryan Peterson, look it up. Uh,
phenomenal Deep dive books are very well written. If you
listen to the audiobook, which I did for one of them,
he's the one reading it and he's a very easy
person to listen to. Uh. And like I said, his audio,
the audiobooks.
Speaker 2: Have documentary this year too. Yeah, first documentary.
Speaker 5: A lot on his plate, So we'll see. We can
snag him back sometime early this next year, twenty twenty five.
Because I love Ryan. He's one of my favorites to
talk to. Man. We had Brian Goadala on relatively early
in the year two talking about Hollywood, some of you know,
some of the entertainment industry, for lack of a better words,
than the Final Nephilo, the Final Nephilim. There you go,
judgment of the Nethilim and the Final Netfilim. But if
you don't Carl Gallups is, let me tell you something.
Carl Gallups, that guy blew my mind with some of
the jamatria. If you want to say, but the way
that he breaks down the Hebrew language and especially just
in the beginning of Genesis and shows you all these
different connections were Even in the beginning of the book
of Genesis, He's showing the crucifixion. God's showing us the
crucifixion and what's coming. It's it's told, it's it's it's
right there, it's right in front of us. And Carl's
really blown some stuff out and that's The Yeshua Protocol
is a phenomenal book that kind of dives into some
of that. But Carl is a great guy, easy to
talk to, really funny. But I definitely recommend following him.
Listen to that episode. We actually have him on a
couple of times because we talked to him at the conference.
We did an episode with him there, and then we
had an episode with him right about the time. Unfortunately,
it was the night that Helene made landfall. It was
the last time we talked to him. It was really
that we did not we we need Derek back again.
I'll tell you that I love Derek. We had Rick
Hasty back and w I'm talking about their book. That
was a pretty good one because it's like aimed at teens, right,
you know, going through the world that they're in right now,
and how to grow up in this world right now.
It's it was I think it was I think I
have it written down, search for proof and faith and.
Speaker 4: That's and Waverley, very Waverley Cowart and his daughter.
Speaker 5: Very good insight, very good conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed that thoroughly. Rick's a great guy, just just
an awesome dude to listen to and and to talk with.
Easy to talk with as well, which I love. There
there's some people you have on and it's you know,
it's one of those things where you don't know somebody
and it's kind of hard to kind of gauge how
a conversation is gonna go. And there's other ones like
Ryan or Rick that you can just sit down and
and it's like it's old friends. You just sit down
and you have a conversation just like you would if
you were sitting on the on the sofa in the
living room. And those episodes are my favorite because from
other people that I know that have watched them, they
can sit there and say, man, I feel like I'm
in the room with you, and that's such a cool
thing when you can listen to a show it's comfortable
to listen to, it's entertaining, it's engaging, and it's not
awkward at all. You know. It's just such an easy
listening episode, so great to listen to. We had doctor
Gregor read On, who we've talked to at a couple
of conferences. That's the first time we'd had him on
the show. But man, he's got a few books. Just
great insight. Again, Man, I'll tell you, it's so many,
so many authors, so many different people, and I don't know,
I want your guys' opinion on this is going forward.
I'm not I mean, I love and we have a
lot of these people that we're gonna come back, they're
going to be on again in the future. But I
think I think it'd be kind of cool to open
this up in a different direction. I don't I just
don't know exactly how and who we'd want to talk
to on some of these things. A lot of times
it's just the authors are the people that we go
to because we've read the books. They're very interesting that
the people getting that information out there. But I think
there's so many more people and so many different avenues
that we could traverse with this, but we could always
talk about that later. I just I want you guys
thinking something else that would just kind of keep going.
One of the other people we had on was somebody
that I met because he had been a neighbor of
one of my friends, and that was doctor brock Hollett,
who had wrote the book Jesus the Jews in the
End of the Age. Very very very educated man, very
very interesting conversation. I think that one exceptionally well. And
we talked even a little bit about translations of the Bible,
where they came from, things of that nature, and a
lot about his information looking at where we are in
the world today and where it's going. Really interesting. I
just I don't know. I kind of feel kind of
tacky going through these one at a time and just
kind of saying, I mean, I don't know. There there's
so many we've we've met, you know. We had Kent
Hovin on again, who I love Kent. We talked to
Ricky and Shelley from the.
Speaker 4: Man to encapsulate so many, great, so much. And the
thing you see with me is, and that's the thing
I'm afraid to speak out because I'm afraid I'm going
to conflate to to.
Speaker 3: That's what you're doing. Have we had Derek on because
I remember talking to Derek.
Speaker 2: I just don't remember if it was this show or
the other one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and then we had all I love it man.
Speaker 2: I just love the conversations. Man. I just love talking
to everybody.
Speaker 5: It's cool, cool, it is. But the cool part for
me is that a lot of these people we've got
to talk to, you know, on these on the show,
and we get to read their books and see But
then you get to you go to these conferences and
you meet them and you get to see him face
to face. You get to have a face, you get
to sit down a lot of them, We've gone out
to eat with, you know, and sat down and hung
out with these people, and they're just they're just amazing
people that are trying to get the word of God out.
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Speaker 5: But in the realm that we're in, they're trying to
reach everybody with that supernatural worldview. For the most part,
I'm not saying everything we've had on here has been
exactly that. There are other things that have popped up,
different books, different authors, things that we've felt inspired, that
we felt led to put on, But so much of
it is that supernatural worldview that the church has left
behind for a large part. And I just think it's
so cool that you get to meet some of these people,
go to these conferences, be able to ask some questions
face to face. I mean, if you've never sat down
and had a conversation with Derek Gilbert, you are missing out.
You just are Derek. And he's a brain and a half.
I mean, the guy. I don't think he's ever forgot anything.
He's never learned since he was three. I mean, I
just don't think.
Speaker 3: He had He don't. He don't talk over your head either.
He talks to you where you're at. I'm sure he
could talk to professor and professor wordage. But then he
talked to this this retard here, and that's that's what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: But Derek is that guy.
Speaker 3: He's easy to do, really cool, and really.
Speaker 5: We got to give him a lot of credit because
he's one of the guys that was the first to
jump on our show because Justin Justin emailed him and
talked to him a bunch well before we did this,
just asking him questions things of that nature. But piles,
but they were But but Derek was.
Speaker 4: I was a fangirl a year before podcasting.
Speaker 5: He was. He was so gracious to come on to
a brand new podcast that was having about ten people
listen a week, and that he helped us change this exactly.
It's pretty much everybody related to and it's grown substantially
into something where, like I said, this year, we hit
over one hundred thousand downloads really early in the year,
and pretty crazy to think about where we're at with that,
where you went from literally, I mean, and Derek was
a big part of that in the beginning. He helped
us out, And I mean, I'm extremely grateful for him
for doing that, because what does that do That just
lets our voices be heard, that lets the you know,
God used him in a way to open it up
to reach more people so that we can have our
voices heard. We can have other people that come on
our show have their voices heard. And Derek was a
key catalyst in the beginning of that. And I really
appreciate him for doing that for us in the beginning
because that is a he didn't have to do anything
like that. He had There was no obligation there. He
just did it out of the goodness of his heart.
Or maybe God was saying nope, you got to do this.
I don't know, but I appreciate it either way.
Speaker 2: And that's something too. Like listeners.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they understand or not, but I'm
just going to communicate it just in case they don't.
Guests like these bigger name guests and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Derek.
Speaker 4: Derek, he'll talk to anybody that's willing to have the conversation.
He's a great one. But some of these bigger name guests,
they follow the audience. You know, if a podcast has
a big enough audience, that determines where they go. You know,
a lot a lot of these guests, if you don't
have a large enough audience, they're not even going to
entertain going on the show. So you have some show.
Speaker 3: That have really large audiences.
Speaker 4: But the host is not that well studied, you know,
or not that good of a host, and you know,
you'll watch the guests go on the show and you're like, gosh,
I wish they would asked this question or man, you know,
they didn't talk about this or talk about that. You
see that a lot because the host is just not
a good thinker or a good researcher. And it's like, guys,
you know, it's kind of like you know, you the
people you listen to, that's your vote. So if you
find a show that has good researchers or people that
you know, ask intelligent questions and have good intellectual conversations
in the time, yes, those are the people that you
need to be listened to, especially if you've got three
or four shows all talking about the same thing. Don't
be a Kansas City Chief fan and just go to
where the crowd is. You know, everybody loves joining the
winning team. Now find a team that's got, you know,
good researchers and ask good questions and get on that team.
Because once that team builds a good following, then they're
gonna start getting the good guests, and that's when you're
gonna get the good questions and get these guests and
start pulling stuff out of them that you're not gonna
get nowhere else because man, just me as a researcher,
I see some of these guests going on these shows,
just like Billy Carson for instance, that show that he
just went on with Wes. That host was awful. Every
time he opened his mouth. I just wanted to reach
to and smack that guy because he just kept interrupting
and he was awful. Then ask any good questions. It's
like hosts like that are the people that get off
the good guests. It's like they're awful, but they get
the good guests because they got.
Speaker 2: Millions of followers.
Speaker 4: And it's like, guys, if people like us got guests
like that, man, we would have such good conversations, ask
such good questions, and pull such good stuff out of
these people. But we're not getting the people. So it's like,
you know, I don't know. It's like I could be
just beating the drum to nobody listening, but it's like,
you know, your listen is your vote. It's like you
got a lot of choices out there. Don't don't just
be Kansas City Chief fans and follow the crowd, you know,
and follow the winning team, and don't just go to
to Walmart and support the big corporation. It's like a
lot of your best shows are these little indie shows.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Don't don't go to Amazon and then give Jeff Bezos
and make the rich man even richer. You know, find
you a smaller podcast, and I guarantee you if you
compare the content to the big name shows, these smaller
shows are going to outperform them. And if you get
with them, help them grow, You're going to get better content.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you, grant done. I digress.
Speaker 5: Let's back it up.
Speaker 3: You ain't heard that in the wild.
Speaker 5: It's been a bit. I figured I had to bring
it up once this year, man, But I don't disagree
with Justin. I think it's important that you that, you know,
the whole point of this is that we're getting out
and some of that falls on us, you know, some
of that falls on us, and the way because a
lot of these bigger shows, the reason that they get
that is because they invest a lot of time and
resources and money into shorts and and all these.
Speaker 3: That's probably all they do.
Speaker 5: We sure do And then and then doing this stuff.
And right now, like you know, I, I'm recording three
shows and and you know I'm editing yours Ben and
and for the most part, Jason does all the DIG
stuff and except for my shorter stuff, so we have
there's a lot on my plate. Justin, you do so
much for your channel, I know you do. And Ben
is fixing every car in Hawkins County. So that's just
what happens to make a show. To make a show,
well before that was just out of the goodness of
your house. But you know, there's a lot on everybody's plate,
and it does. It is hard, and I do hope
that it's some It would be awesome because the DIG
does not make anything financially. There's just there. There is
nothing there that doesn't happen. We do this because we're
trying to spread the word of God. I would love,
I mean, it would be amazing.
Speaker 3: To be able to well, or at least.
Speaker 5: That that will never happen. But what I'd love more
than anything would be able to sustain a living and
be able to do this, like Justin said, to full time,
so I could spend so much more time on the shows,
on the research, on the the reading on the you know,
all the things that go into this, because that's how
we would take it to the next level, would be
doing you know, being able to have a full time
in this. The only other option we got is because
buy is winning the lottery, so we can all quit,
you know.
Speaker 3: But that I keep looking to see if I got
the winning numbers. But I've always been told I have
to buy a lottery ticket first.
Speaker 5: You can't just write them down.
Speaker 3: I wrote it on a sticky note the other day,
and they's like, we ain't taking that. Get out of here.
I'll even know where they share with that.
Speaker 5: I do think in all things that that you're saying there,
just I think that it's really important that we do
say then to the people that are listening and that
have followed us, and so many people have been with
us since even very you know, right after Mom and
and everybody else, you know, when when we started getting going,
and Derek helped us out in the beginning, and a
couple other people helped us out pretty big early on.
And we've had a lot of listeners from that first
season that have stuck with us, that that communicate and
talk in our face. I would highly recommend you get
on our Facebook group on the dig it is it
it's you know, it's a forum on there. You can
ask questions, we talk and people put memes. People you know,
just go back and forth. We recommend books, things of
this nature like. It's such a great place, a community
where you can come talk about the supernatural, not be
judged because you know what, somebody comes at you on there,
I will click you're done. We don't do that on there.
We don't play those games. We want people to come
in there. It's a safe space. You can talk, you
can ask those difficult questions and we can all be
there as a family, as a group together and grow together.
And that's a great place. You want to hear something
on one of these shows. You got an idea of
somebody you'd like us to try to reach out and
talk to, come on there and tell us come on
and say something. We would love that. So we have
a decent amount of people that are on that forum
now it's over a thousand some odd people. I'm not
sure how many are on there, but there's a lot
of people on there. There's some interaction, there's a lot
of stuff posted back and forth. I just would love
more people to get more active on there to let
us know what they think. You know, what would you
like to see? What would you like to have us
talk about? Give us some other show ideas. I would?
I would? I love that? So yeah, I just would.
Speaker 4: I can going off what I was saying too, uh.
Put me, Put me to the test and get email
us or get on the community forum. Put me to
the test. Apples to apples, Get on our you know
r S S Speed or or or on my r
S S Speed. Just get on on any of our shows.
Search up any guests, whether it be Derek Gilbert, Gary, Wayne,
Timpty Alberino, any of these these guests, type up their
name and listen to you know, the dig Bible podcast
from etheist Lens. Listen to one of our conversations with
those with one of those guests, and then listen to
a big name show that's in our genre to make
your pick and take that same guests and listen to
an episode with them and compare apples to apples. Listen
to the conversation. You know, get rid of the production value,
you know, because that that's money conversation. I guarantee you
the conversation is going to be better. The intellectual level
is going to be better, and even the stuff we
talk about is going to be sooner because it's just
it's it's different, like, for instance.
Speaker 3: The Valley of the Shadow of Death. We talked about
that with Derek Gilbert years before a lot of other people.
So the indie shows is where it's at, guys, you
hear it first from the from the Little Guy, the
Little Guys.
Speaker 2: Where it's at.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. I don't know. I think it's important. I
think it's important that people that people find someone they
identify with, that they can listen to, that they can
you know.
Speaker 3: Relate to.
Speaker 5: But I do think I think it's really really important.
And I think the cool part about shows that are
smaller and we know a lot of them, you know
what I mean, We've we've talked to a lot of them,
We've had them on some of them on our show,
you Justin, You've gone on a few other ones. But
a lot of these smaller shows that do put in
a lot of the hard work, the people that still
are working nine to five days, they're putting out good content.
But the cool part about those if you want to
hear something, if you want to do that. You you'll
hear back from them, You'll hear back from us. You
reach out, we'll we'll respond. Well, you want to hear it.
Speaker 3: Not too big for the guy I will.
Speaker 5: I know I will never be too big for little guy.
I don't care because I love when I reach out
to some When we're looking for guests and I have
somebody that I look up to as a phenomenal speaker
or something, I reach out to them and then they
reach back out to me. That means something to me.
That's a big deal to me that somebody I look
up to that do these things. And I'm not saying
people look up to us, But what I'm saying is
that you can reach out. You can get a hold
of us. It's not like just somebody on a TV
screen somewhere. You can reach out. You can get a
hold of us. You want to hear something, you want
us to dig into something. I do think this next
coming year, just like we did first Enoch, we need
to either pick Jubileese or jash Or and do the
same thing. Start breaking down another one of those historical books.
And on top of that, Ben you know it was
his idea to start doing the Bible studies, and we
went through this year, we went through the Book of Judges,
and we went through a few chapters at a time
and broke down the Book of Judges. And we'll continue
on doing different things where we're breaking down God's word.
There's so many different things that we do on here
because each one of us is so different. I mean,
the three of us being great friends, but at the
same time, each one of us are.
Speaker 3: So definitely different.
Speaker 5: I mean, sure there was such a thing as three poles.
We're all polar opposite. I mean, we are all are very
different people. But that's what I think makes it great
is that we all come from different walks, we all
have different insight, we all have It's just it's a
very unique eclectic mix, especially, like I said, because when
we started this, we really didn't all know each other
that well. So it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, it's a it's a spicy sandwich, that's for sure.
It's an acquired taste.
Speaker 5: That it is. But man, I just I'm excited. I
think you guys will be excited for some of the
guests coming up this year, some of the content. I'm
gonna just say this right now. Well, I'm thinking about
it because I know we're probably getting close here, but
I want to make sure everybody tune into the dig.
Tell your friends, share this stuff, get it out there.
If there's one episode you really liked, share it with
your friends, put it on your Facebook feed, send it
out there, say take a listen to this. That's the
only way he shows like this grow and we reach
more people, because the whole point is we're not reaching
them for us, We're reaching them for God. We really are.
That's the whole point is we want to spread the
word to all these different people and make it so
that the Bible doesn't have those strange, weird parts, that
we can make sense of it, that we can dig
into God's word and not just gloss over some of it.
So super important. Listen to the Prometheus. Lens Justin has
amazing guests, awesome conversation. When he's talking about intellectual people,
he's talking about himself because me and Ben are not
that guy. But I am.
Speaker 3: I am definitely not that guy.
Speaker 5: But no, that conversation and the insight that will blow
you away. It'll it'll, it really will blow you away.
I've I've listened to a lot of his stuff, a
lot of his episodes, and there's a couple that once
in a while, you got to listen to this, and
I sit down and and I just I'm when I'm done,
I'm I'm scratching my head because I'm sitting there, going
I have to listen to that again because it was
It just blew me away, and I'm trying to absorb
it all. There's so much good content. Justin knocks it
out of the park with that show. There's just so
much it's it's amazing. So listen to the Prometheus Lens.
Definitely in the near future you're gonna be watching The
Muddy Pissing Garage. It'll be on YouTube, it'll come out.
It's not straight scripturally based, but it is definitely family friendly.
You need to fix your car, will make it happen.
But that's just gonna be something out there that we're doing.
Speaker 3: Just hey, if you're local, I might fix your car
for you.
Speaker 5: You never know.
Speaker 3: On YouTube, you never know.
Speaker 5: Keep make sure you listening to Sean and Brian the
Vessels podcast, Good Friends of Ours awesome show Good Insight
definitely a different format than ours, but there's a different
flavor for everybody out there. And then also listen to
the Mustard Seed podcast with Liz Keisha Leslie the girls.
They go into they're doing a lot of the women
of the Bible breaking it down and then doing Bible
studies from a woman's point of view. And it's something
that we just can't give. I mean, us as guys
cannot give the same insight into something that they can.
And I think it's important that you can hear it
from both sides. You know, God gave us men and
women are very unique for many different reasons, but their
insight into things is one of those things. So getting
that scriptural insight from a woman, especially when you a woman,
can mean so much more and you can take so
much more from it. So I think it's important. But
the Mustard Seed podcast dive into that, and just to
think that all this stuff has spawned from the dig
three years ago just still just blows my mind. It's
just the most amazing thing to me. It's such a blessing.
I love you guys. I think this is just such
a cool thing that we get to do. We don't
have to do, we get to do it. But at
the same time, I know God's pushing it forward, and
it's what we're supposed to.
Speaker 2: Do next year.
Speaker 4: Sometime next year we will have a documentary of the Mounds.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 4: I am wrapping up my book and I told myself
that I didn't want to get involved in two projects
at once, so I said, once I finished the book,
then I would get it involved in the documentary. All
the filming of the documentary is like ninety percent done.
I just didn't want to get involved in all the
editing and stuff until I finished the book. The book
is in the final stages of formatting. So next year
you will see me and Steve in.
Speaker 2: A Mounds documentary.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned and then be on the lookout also for
the documentary. The it'll be it's a creation evolution one
which I know those have been out there kind of
creation versus evolution, but this is it's going to be
called what are the Chances? And it's going to bring
a fresh perspective. It's going to have some amazing individuals
in it, and God keeps opening some crazy doors for this.
That is it's just it's unreal. It doesn't make sense.
Sometimes when you look and you think you know, I'm
I'm nobody, but God's still using me to make these things,
and God still use me to to push forward and
let me be a part of His work. But it's
going to be a fresh, unique take on the creation
versus evolution thing that is going to give you an
apologetic view, but using the science too to show you
the truth. I don't want to spoil too much because
it will blow your mind, I guarantee it. So look
forward to all these projects coming up. There's so much.
We're doing so much at the same time, working on
five jobs, but we're all doing this and we're all
we're all in. I mean, this is what God's put
in front of us. It's it's it's this is our
our plate to you know, continue, I don't know, just
continue getting after because it's a blessing to be able
to do what God wants you to do. It's a
blessing to be part of this. It's a blessing to
hang out with you guys. It's a blessing to continue
to be here on the dig. And I appreciate you guys. Yeah,
you mean well as always
Speaker 3: Keep digging.