Speaker 1: Five minutes after five o'clock.
Speaker 2: Good Friday morning to you, And of course, Good Friday
Speaker 2: in the Catholic calendar and especially the Christian calendar, is
Speaker 2: one of the most important days of Christianity. In fact,
Speaker 2: there are some that think that Christmas is the most
Speaker 2: important day. There are others that concentrate on the Crucifixion
Speaker 2: on Good Friday, and then there are others that say
Speaker 2: that Easter is.
Speaker 1: The big day.
Speaker 2: And they all have their place in Catholicism and Christianity
Speaker 2: and whatever. So we'll get into that later on towards
Speaker 2: the end of the show. But side note before we
Speaker 2: go on. You know, when you do the weather, Okay,
Speaker 2: first thing I do in the morning when I well,
Speaker 2: not the first thing when I come in here, I'll
Speaker 2: ask right before we go on, here, what temperature do
Speaker 2: you have? And of course I go to my I
Speaker 2: phone and I look at my weather where I live
Speaker 2: down in Wilder, Kentucky, and this morning, right now, it
Speaker 2: says it's sixty one degrees and here at the station
Speaker 2: it says it's fifty eight.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: It was kidding my.
Speaker 2: Producer that, hey, because I guess I live further south.
Speaker 2: You know, the weather's always warmer down there, but we're
Speaker 2: talking a three degree swing in temperature, which got me
Speaker 2: to thinking, and of course this is off subject to
Speaker 2: what I was going to talk about initially this morning,
Speaker 2: is that where do they get the official weather for
Speaker 2: the day? Is it at the airport, is at someplace
Speaker 2: around the area. And when you hear these people talking
Speaker 2: about global warming, climate change and so on, and temperature
Speaker 2: changes comparison from one year to the other, where are
Speaker 2: they getting those We have had the stories in the
Speaker 2: past that when you look back fifty sixty, seventy eighty
Speaker 2: years ago, where they had the thermometer out in the
Speaker 2: field somewhere, and that's where they were getting all their
Speaker 2: readings as far as temperatures are concerned. Now tho, those
Speaker 2: thermometers in some places are in the middle of some
Speaker 2: asphalt jungle or in some parking lot somewhere. And of course,
Speaker 2: if you're out in the green fields, and if you
Speaker 2: are out in the area, you know that the temperature
Speaker 2: is going to be a lot cooler there than it
Speaker 2: is going to be above the asphalt on a given day.
Speaker 2: And so some of the discrepancies that we've been seeing
Speaker 2: and some of the numbers have been going into the
Speaker 2: formula are part of that. I used to live along
Speaker 2: the river in Campbell County, Kentucky, and if you are
Speaker 2: familiar with the area, it's right across the river from
Speaker 2: Coney Island now up on the hill, which is where
Speaker 2: Route twenty seven is, that is up there up above
Speaker 2: the river, and it is amazing. When I would come
Speaker 2: home at night, and especially in the summer, I usually
Speaker 2: don't I hardly ever use my air conditioning, so I
Speaker 2: always have the window open. And as you started coming
Speaker 2: down the hill down to Route eight at the time,
Speaker 2: you could tell a particular temperature drop just from basically
Speaker 2: the mile up on Arount twenty seven down to the river,
Speaker 2: and it was a significant anywhere from a five to
Speaker 2: seven degree drop. So again I talk about or I
Speaker 2: mentioned the fact that you can have these varying temperatures.
Speaker 2: So I wonder where they get their information and wonder
Speaker 2: where they draw their numbers and if that is affecting
Speaker 2: what people are talking about in terms of climate change.
Speaker 2: So anyway, if you went to my Facebook page, you
Speaker 2: always know that when I'm in I will put something
Speaker 2: on Facebook as to who my guests are. And today
Speaker 2: is no different between now and six twenty five, we're
Speaker 2: gonna be doing news and views, and I'm maybe an
Speaker 2: opinion or two, because as you know, I have an opinion,
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to use it. Coming up at six
Speaker 2: point thirty, we're gonna be talking with Dave Hatter, cybersecurity expert,
Speaker 2: joins me for tech Friday. I always love having well,
Speaker 2: I love and hate having Dave Hatter on the air,
Speaker 2: simply because I don't call it, well, they call it
Speaker 2: tech Friday, but I call it Scare the hell out
Speaker 2: of your Friday because he always has this stuff. But
Speaker 2: he's going to give us some timely information and technology
Speaker 2: tips and so on, just to keep you safe. At
Speaker 2: seven o'clock, folks, I'm going out on a limb today.
Speaker 2: I have as my guest Ann Dickerson. She is co
Speaker 2: founder and lead organizer of the Cincinnati chapter of Indivisible,
Speaker 2: will discuss their opposition to all things Trump. And I
Speaker 2: go on their website and it's like, well, you hear
Speaker 2: about them there been. They are the groups that are
Speaker 2: going around the country and they are organizing these rallies,
Speaker 2: the Hands Off rallies and the anti Nazi rallies and
Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. All over the country, and
Speaker 2: so I was told by well, I'll just mention it
Speaker 2: ran Paul's field guy. I don't know if I want
Speaker 2: to mention his name, but he told me that she
Speaker 2: is a very fairly reasonable person, somebody you can talk to.
Speaker 2: And I'm just kind of getting I just want to
Speaker 2: get an idea of what the hell is their opposition,
Speaker 2: what the hell is their beef. It all boils down,
Speaker 2: in my opinion a lot of times just Trump derangement
Speaker 2: syndrome gone on steroids. Then, of course between seven thirty
Speaker 2: and about eight twenty five thereabouts, more news and views,
Speaker 2: and then at eight thirty five we're going to be
Speaker 2: talking with Lindy Zembrot. She is the executive director of
Speaker 2: Carinet Pregnancy Centers of Northern Kentucky. And you may recall
Speaker 2: that I've talked about her from time to time, had
Speaker 2: her on now. They have their annual banquet on May
Speaker 2: the eighth, and Carenet is an organization for crisis pregnancy.
Speaker 2: They are there if somebody finds, you know, winds up pregnant,
Speaker 2: that it is a resource that you can go to
Speaker 2: to get help, to get information, to find out what
Speaker 2: services are available to you. And the whole direction there
Speaker 2: is in order to allow women to know that they
Speaker 2: have options so that they, in other words, don't go
Speaker 2: and have an abortion. So that's a great organization. I
Speaker 2: actually I was the MC of their banquet last year.
Speaker 2: I think Liz Bonus this year is going to be
Speaker 2: the MC. So I guess we're going to be competing
Speaker 2: back and forth year after year as to who's going
Speaker 2: to be filling in there. But anyway, got all that
Speaker 2: going on, and of course a lot of stuff to
Speaker 2: talk about here, and so we'll get into it and
Speaker 2: see what we have. One of the things I want
Speaker 2: to talk about. Oh, by the way, let's not forget
Speaker 2: and this is one of the things I just absolutely
Speaker 2: love is the fact that let me see what do
Speaker 2: we have going on this week?
Speaker 1: Tuesday?
Speaker 2: Tuesday was tax Day, or as Hunter Biden says, Tuesday
Speaker 2: in April.
Speaker 1: But that was tax Day.
Speaker 2: And I got to tell you from the standpoint of
Speaker 2: being a recovering accountant. And I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people tired of hearing that. But you know a lot
Speaker 2: of people tune in for the first time and they don't.
Speaker 1: Know that tax Day and the tax season I did it.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of tax returns in my time
Speaker 2: and in the accounting firms that I work for a
Speaker 2: lot of them. Oh, you had small and medium sized businesses,
Speaker 2: but then you also had the individuals that you would do.
Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, there is just something
Speaker 2: about tax day itself that just I got to tell you,
Speaker 2: It infuriates me. It bothers me to no end. I
Speaker 2: used to have clients that would have a part time
Speaker 2: job where they would have a side hustle what they
Speaker 2: call it now, but it was a side job at
Speaker 2: the time, trying to earn extra money for their family.
Speaker 2: And generally, when somebody starts a business like that, they
Speaker 2: forget about the fact that every tax dollar they earn
Speaker 2: is at the highest rate of whatever their wages are
Speaker 2: or their combined income if their spouse works, and so
Speaker 2: they forget that they're at that higher tax rate from
Speaker 2: that dollar forward. Plus, you have the problem of self
Speaker 2: employment tax. You know, on your payroll, you get the FICA,
Speaker 2: you have the Social Security and the Medicare and so on.
Speaker 2: The employer pays the other half. If you're self employed,
Speaker 2: and a lot of you out there are, and you
Speaker 2: know this, you pay both ends of that. And so
Speaker 2: when you figure that out the self employment tax. And
Speaker 2: when these people get to the end of the year,
Speaker 2: it's like they find themselves sometimes, well I'm talking about
Speaker 2: in the late seventies early eighties, finding themselves owing about
Speaker 2: two to three thousand dollars and it was just mind
Speaker 2: boggling to them that they could owe that amount of money.
Speaker 2: And I know, and I'd see how these people would live.
Speaker 2: I know their background, I know what they do for
Speaker 2: a living, I know the area of town that they
Speaker 2: live in. And it's not like they're you know, got
Speaker 2: these you know, boats and campers and all this sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. They're just trying to make a little bit
Speaker 2: of extra money to put their kids through school, spend
Speaker 2: time with their kids and so on. And the way
Speaker 2: they just absolutely get hammered. And every time I hear
Speaker 2: these comments about, you know, the rich need to pay more,
Speaker 2: the rich you need to pay this, and so on,
Speaker 2: the statistics just don't bear that out. And coming up,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be talking about some of the things
Speaker 2: that just and and again when you dig into this,
Speaker 2: how much it absolutely infuriates me what we have to
Speaker 2: do in order to pay our taxes. Phone numbers five, one, three, seven, four,
Speaker 2: nine fifty five hundred one, eight hundred eighty two three
Speaker 2: talk one eight hundred eight two three eight two five
Speaker 2: five pound five point fifty AT and T wireless phone. Uh,
Speaker 2: coming up, We've got Dick. If you'll hang on the phone,
Speaker 2: I'll be with you. And of course you got that
Speaker 2: AT and T wireless phone. I'm Kevin Gordon in for
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC dot com.
Speaker 5: Do you have a massive irsy Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump?
Speaker 4: And I approved this message.
Speaker 2: Of course he does. Donald, you're up this time of
Speaker 2: the day. Give me a call. We'll get you on
Speaker 2: the air right away. But right now, let's go to
Speaker 2: the phones. Talk to Dick, Dick from Dayton. Dick, how
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 1: My friend?
Speaker 6: Hikevin? How are you?
Speaker 1: I am fine? How you been well? U?
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've heard from Dave from day Niece,
Speaker 6: a friend of Jerry Jeff's and he had a special
Speaker 6: surprise when I talked to Jerry Jeff's Saturday. And I
Speaker 6: never know, but I want to say I want to
Speaker 6: come back there. I heart radio on Montgomery Road is
Speaker 6: a beautiful building and I got to meet, you know,
Speaker 6: Willie and everybody, and uh oh, and I got to
Speaker 6: play here. It's a beautiful place and I thank everybody
Speaker 6: for Dave taking me. But it was nice, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean? Nice?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I think I got a
Speaker 2: message from I think it was Dave from Dayton Wall.
Speaker 2: I was down at the Mid American Trucking Show. He
Speaker 2: stopped by or sent me an email or something that
Speaker 2: I knew I was down there and said, howdy, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 6: So have you got to meet Dave?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if he was down there.
Speaker 2: I do know that I talked to somebody that knew
Speaker 2: him and whatever. I there were so many people that
Speaker 2: stopped by the booth while we were down there that
Speaker 2: it was kind of Yeah. I tried to write as
Speaker 2: many notes as I could as to who I met
Speaker 2: and so on. But yes, it was a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: A lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is, it really is. And you know, to
Speaker 6: know that it's a beautiful place there. But you were
Speaker 6: mentioned about what is it about taxes? I did mind
Speaker 6: late this year and I realized I had to go
Speaker 6: uh that morning for that day, I had to get
Speaker 6: up I had money, and they wouldn't do it. So
Speaker 6: I brought it back the next day. And I'm telling you, Kevin,
Speaker 6: it was two hours I waited. Well, I mean it
Speaker 6: was two hours. They had to do my tax They
Speaker 6: they go through a review. Now I don't know about
Speaker 6: you know, they check everything out, but that it was
Speaker 6: interesting though, you know, I guess it must be new
Speaker 6: move new that they had that new procedure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is just mind boggling.
Speaker 2: And and I've got statistics on the number of hours
Speaker 2: and how many man hours it takes and and that,
Speaker 2: and it's just mind boggling in terms of, you know,
Speaker 2: you work hard through the year, you do your job,
Speaker 2: you raise your family, you go to the soccer games,
Speaker 2: baseball games, football games, everything else. Ye, all this sort
Speaker 2: of stuff, and then at the end of the year
Speaker 2: you've got to spend money to do your tax return.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I think I heard one
Speaker 2: time somebody says, hey, I'm a PhD, I'm a mathematician,
Speaker 2: and I need help on my taxes. And it's it
Speaker 2: shouldn't be that hard. It should be fairly straightforward. They
Speaker 2: keep talking about reforming it. They're going to do this
Speaker 2: that and the other thing to adjust it. But again,
Speaker 2: it is the unaffected class that are that are ruling things,
Speaker 2: and we the affected class, have to pay the price
Speaker 2: of that. So it's just it's just nuts and it
Speaker 2: is infuriating. And even as an account and you know,
Speaker 2: people will say to me, well, Kevin, you know you
Speaker 2: were in the accounting profession, what will we do with
Speaker 2: all the accou ountains?
Speaker 1: What will we do that way?
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, well, you got all these brilliant tax attorneys,
Speaker 2: you got these brilliant tax accountants, and they are trying
Speaker 2: to figure out through the legal system how many loopholes
Speaker 2: you can have, and they come up with that. Imagine
Speaker 2: unleashing those people and that talent to try to figure
Speaker 2: out how companies can make even more money and be
Speaker 2: more profitable. How much better would that be for our
Speaker 2: economy rather than trying to figure out how to go
Speaker 2: through this loophole or do this in order to save
Speaker 2: on taxes. If it was straight up, then you could
Speaker 2: release all these people and you'd still have need for
Speaker 2: the irs, not as many people as we found out.
Speaker 2: But again, I think it should be simplified, and it's
Speaker 2: it's it's it's infair. I actually, I really seriously, I mean,
Speaker 2: I get upset every time I talk about it.
Speaker 6: But anyway, Oh yeah, N make you sometime.
Speaker 1: That sounds good to me, my friend, okay, you too,
Speaker 1: take care. Take care.
Speaker 2: Dick from Dayton or already always enjoy talking to him.
Speaker 2: He always puts a smile on my faith. Talking about statistics.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Individual tax return filing is the most consuming element.
Speaker 1: Of the tax system.
Speaker 2: But the average taxpayer spending thirteen hours to comply with
Speaker 2: Form ten forty thirteen hours?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Is that thirteen hours at your normal pay rate? Is
Speaker 2: that deductible?
Speaker 1: Hell no?
Speaker 2: For individuals with business income, the average amount of time
Speaker 2: it takes to file taxes is even higher, at twenty
Speaker 2: four hours. This estimate is a time spent doing the taxes,
Speaker 2: are based on surveys of individuals taxpayers. Compliance burdens includes
Speaker 2: various activities that eat up time, not just the filing
Speaker 2: of the two hundred and seventy million tax returns, but
Speaker 2: also record keeping, tax planning, gathering tax materials, and learning
Speaker 2: about the goal of the law. Overall, it reportedly takes you,
Speaker 2: ready for this twelve billion hours annually to comply with
Speaker 2: federal government paperwork. Two thirds of that time is spent
Speaker 2: on tax related paperwork, twelve billion hours. Imagine how much
Speaker 2: more productive America could be and our taxpayers could be
Speaker 2: if they had that twelve billion hours back, or the
Speaker 2: time spent with family and to enjoy this country and
Speaker 2: to enjoy your family. Now they keep talking about streamlining
Speaker 2: the process and getting this done, but it's never ever
Speaker 2: been done, and it's by and by time, and by God,
Speaker 2: it's time to do it. I've always said that one
Speaker 2: of the things that you ought to Well, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what I'm going to tease this for the next
Speaker 2: session about what I think, in terms of one election
Speaker 2: day should be and what I think the way that
Speaker 2: people you want to get people fired up about taxes,
Speaker 2: I have an answer for that. Phone numbers five one three, seven,
Speaker 2: four nine fifty five won three seven four nine fifty
Speaker 2: five hundred one, eight hundred eight two three talk one
Speaker 2: eight hundred eight two three eight two five five pound,
Speaker 2: five point fifty AT and T wireless phone. Kevin Gordon
Speaker 2: in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KR See the talk station.
Speaker 1: Five twenty nine in the morning.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty five kr C,
Speaker 2: the talk station. You know, I mentioned about the the
Speaker 2: tax code, and I've been talking a little bit about
Speaker 2: that and and the thing that is is in well,
Speaker 2: I'd mentioned that I have an idea for an election day.
Speaker 2: I think election day should be moved. I don't think
Speaker 2: it should be in November. I think election day should
Speaker 2: be April to sixteenth every year because after you pay
Speaker 2: your taxes on April fifteenth, that is when you're paying
Speaker 2: attention the most to what's going on, and that's the
Speaker 2: period of time when you're probably the most infuriated that
Speaker 2: you're not getting your bang from your buck from your state, city, county,
Speaker 2: or federal government. Also, I think one of the ways
Speaker 2: that get people fired up is we ought to go
Speaker 2: back to a cash payroll system. Imagine you have to
Speaker 2: show up for work, and even to those people are
Speaker 2: some of you people that work from home. You have
Speaker 2: to go to the office and you at one table
Speaker 2: you get your cash, your gross pay, and then you
Speaker 2: have to walk down to the one next table that
Speaker 2: has the federal income tax.
Speaker 1: Then you move down and pay.
Speaker 2: Your Social Security tax, and then you go down to
Speaker 2: another time table pay your county tax, and go down
Speaker 2: to another table and pay your city taxes. See, most
Speaker 2: people only look at their net income. They look at
Speaker 2: their net pay and say, well, this is how much
Speaker 2: I make. But when you look at the percentage, when
Speaker 2: you look at your net pay versus your gross pay,
Speaker 2: it is a stamp. And then you talk about I
Speaker 2: mentioned sales tax and all the other taxes that we
Speaker 2: pay during the year, and then throw on top of
Speaker 2: that some of these what they call fees, but it's
Speaker 2: actually more like a tax. You know, even the average
Speaker 2: taxpayer is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of forty percent
Speaker 2: to fifty percent of their pay is done in taxes.
Speaker 2: And if you start adding it up, sometimes look at
Speaker 2: your receipts from time to time. You can't even go
Speaker 2: out to dinner without getting a sales tax. You can't
Speaker 2: go to the vet, or at least in Kentucky, you
Speaker 2: got to pay sales tax on services.
Speaker 1: Now is it is appalling?
Speaker 2: And then throw on top of that the fact that
Speaker 2: you also have to pay how much you pay in
Speaker 2: state and city or state and federal taxes on every
Speaker 2: gallon of gasoline that you buy. Look at that number sometime,
Speaker 2: I think in Kentucky, the number for the state is
Speaker 2: twenty seven cents. The federal government's share is eighteen cents.
Speaker 2: So now you're up to forty five cents of every
Speaker 2: gallon of gas that you pump is in the way
Speaker 2: of taxes. Okay, so when you start throwing all that
Speaker 2: stuff in there, it is astounding. One time, I was
Speaker 2: on the air several years ago, and I probably still
Speaker 2: have it at home, and I printed out a list
Speaker 2: of every tax that we pay, and at every break,
Speaker 2: every time we came back from a break, I read
Speaker 2: probably about four or five of them, five six, seven
Speaker 2: of them. I did not read the entire list by
Speaker 2: the end of the show. That is how crazy the
Speaker 2: amount of taxes and the different ways that they come
Speaker 2: at us and reach into our pockets and take our money.
Speaker 2: And it's one of those things, like I said this
Speaker 2: time of the year, I really, I mean, more than
Speaker 2: anything else, that really infuriates me knowing how hard people work,
Speaker 2: know how hard it is to go and do all
Speaker 2: the things that you do on a daily basis, and
Speaker 2: then taking care of your family, and then you have
Speaker 2: to worry about whether or not you're not so silent partner,
Speaker 2: how much of your hard earned money they get and
Speaker 2: the other thing. When you start hearing these people talk
Speaker 2: about the rich don't pay enough and that we ought
Speaker 2: to get rid of this particular deduction, listen to what
Speaker 2: they're actually saying.
Speaker 1: They're not saying that it's your money.
Speaker 2: They actually believe, and don't doubt me on this, that
Speaker 2: there are people in the government that believe every penny
Speaker 2: you earn is theirs. We look at it in terms
Speaker 2: of our net pay. Is the amount of money that
Speaker 2: we have after we've paid all of our taxes. As
Speaker 2: far as some of these liberals are concerned, the money
Speaker 2: that you have is the money that they let you
Speaker 2: keep after they've confiscated as much. And they still want
Speaker 2: to confiscate more. And if you look at the rhetoric,
Speaker 2: if you talk, if you listen terms of how they
Speaker 2: want to eliminate this deduction or they want to move
Speaker 2: this around, or they want to do this height is
Speaker 2: it is astounding of much how much they believe that
Speaker 2: everything you earn goes to them. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: wait till we start talking about tax freedom day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty five eight hundred
Speaker 2: eight two three eight two five five pound, five point
Speaker 2: fifty AT and T wireless phone. Kevin Gordon in for
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas fifty five krs the talk station.
Speaker 1: Five thirty nine in the morning, Kevin Gordon in.
Speaker 2: For Brian how must fifty five kr See the talk
Speaker 2: station phone numbers five one, three, seven, four nine, fifty,
Speaker 2: five hundred one, eight hundred eight two three talk one
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty two three eight two five five pound
Speaker 2: five fifty AT and TR wireless phone. To the phones
Speaker 2: we go. Let's speak with William. William fifty five kr.
Speaker 2: See how are you this morning?
Speaker 7: Oh good?
Speaker 8: How you doing?
Speaker 4: Good morning?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. How about you?
Speaker 4: Oh just fine?
Speaker 1: Good good.
Speaker 9: I don't sound like a downer or anything early in
Speaker 9: the morning. But I went through you know, a bolt land,
Speaker 9: put me a house on it, paid it all. But
Speaker 9: I'll tell you the worst sin in the world is
Speaker 9: property taxes because you really don't own it. Because what
Speaker 9: happens you don't pay property taxes, you're just really a
Speaker 9: janitor for the state. I mean, I've been through it,
Speaker 9: and I don't think if when your house is paid off,
Speaker 9: you should not pay property taxes on your own land that.
Speaker 4: You already own or you don't own it.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, William, they will tell you, and this
Speaker 2: is this is beautiful because they'll tell you that, well,
Speaker 2: you use county services, you use the county roads, you
Speaker 2: use this, you use that, and it's a way of
Speaker 2: funding these projects. And of course a lot of that money,
Speaker 2: at least in Camell Country, at least in northern Kentucky,
Speaker 2: bulk of that money goes to the school districts. And
Speaker 2: even though you may not have, yeah, that's all built
Speaker 2: into your tax.
Speaker 9: And so that's a bugaboo, all this money going to
Speaker 9: these uh public schools, man, and these kids can't even
Speaker 9: read and write.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you, as you say, if you don't pay
Speaker 2: your property taxes in a couple of years, they'll come
Speaker 2: and confiscate your house. If you can't come up with
Speaker 2: the money, they'll kick you out.
Speaker 1: And and it's and and.
Speaker 2: Basically whatever the price of there's no I mean, the
Speaker 2: property tax that they're probably as old if you don't
Speaker 2: pay them for a couple of years, is probably less
Speaker 2: than ten percent or less than ten percent of what
Speaker 2: your property is worth. And if they can come in
Speaker 2: and take that for a song, they'll do it in
Speaker 2: a heartbeat and I think that's totally unfair. I think
Speaker 2: you know, at least as a minimum, and I don't
Speaker 2: know how old you are, but if you are sixty
Speaker 2: five years, what sixty two, well in three years, make
Speaker 2: sure you take advantage of that homestead exemption. A lot
Speaker 2: of people are not aware of that, but most states
Speaker 2: will allow somebody sixty five years or older take a
Speaker 2: homestead exemption which reduces the taxable value of your property.
Speaker 2: It doesn't affect the property value, it's just the taxable value,
Speaker 2: and you get a break that way. I think that
Speaker 2: at some point in time, maybe age seventy five or
Speaker 2: something like that, property taxes.
Speaker 1: Should dissolve, should go away.
Speaker 2: I would think that after you know, by the time
Speaker 2: you turn seventy five, you've paid enough taxes, it's time
Speaker 2: for you to rust and relax. So there should be
Speaker 2: at least some sort of a sunset clause on your
Speaker 2: property taxes.
Speaker 9: I found it cheaper. I found it cheaper do my
Speaker 9: experience and what I went through. I owned my place
Speaker 9: down in time with seventeen years, nine months, in two weeks,
Speaker 9: and they come and took it and paid all six acres,
Speaker 9: beautiful place, brand new house.
Speaker 3: It was a junk.
Speaker 9: Yard and I find now, man, what I've went through,
Speaker 9: and it's just cheaper to rent. Yeah, I fouled a
Speaker 9: cheaper just to rent a lot have the same space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people feel that way. But you know,
Speaker 2: you know that the key is is to make sure
Speaker 2: that you know you're paying your taxes timely, and that
Speaker 2: comes same problem sometime. But yeah, I agree with you
Speaker 2: there is there needs to be something done with that.
Speaker 2: And you know these county administrators and so on, they
Speaker 2: need to really take a look at some of this
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe on the city, state, county level, maybe
Speaker 2: we start start doing some dozing there in terms of waste,
Speaker 2: fraud and abuse.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 9: I agree with you. You take care and have a
Speaker 9: great Thank you, taking care of God bless.
Speaker 2: All right, you two, let's try to squeeze in Linda
Speaker 2: here real quick. Linda fifty five krs. Thanks for calling
Speaker 2: this morning.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 10: Oh, I'm good. How are you? Gordon?
Speaker 1: I am doing just fine.
Speaker 10: Two things. One on checking on how our county and
Speaker 10: our cities and our states are spending our money. Absolutely,
Speaker 10: we should have somebody like a doge check all of that.
Speaker 10: Number two, the fifteenth Amendment of our Constitution says it's
Speaker 10: citizens who vote. I want to know, how does California
Speaker 10: get away with having so many illegals vote? And let's
Speaker 10: start a movement. If they're not going to follow the law,
Speaker 10: we don't count their electoral.
Speaker 2: Votes exactly, exactly. Well, now, Linda, don't you realize that
Speaker 2: they allow them just to participate in city and county
Speaker 2: and state elections, they don't let them participate in the
Speaker 2: federal you know.
Speaker 10: Oh, I didn't know that. I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what they say.
Speaker 2: But you know, my tongue was was deeply planted into
Speaker 2: my cheek just then, so I gotcha. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh, it's just one more way. And of course,
Speaker 2: you know voter ID laws. You know, you don't have
Speaker 2: to show up and show an ID in order to vote.
Speaker 2: That is insanity at the most. And this whole idea
Speaker 2: of expanding having elections drag on for.
Speaker 1: Three Do you realize that there what was the what state?
Speaker 11: Was?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Was it Wisconsin that they finally just now decided what
Speaker 2: the final vote count? And a supreme was it a
Speaker 2: supreme court some sort of election in the state of
Speaker 2: Wisconsin from back in November.
Speaker 1: That is insanity.
Speaker 2: And what California took what four weeks, five weeks, six
Speaker 2: weeks to count all their votes? Election day should be
Speaker 2: on election day, and maybe you could have early voting,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, no earlier than maybe Wednesday or Thursday
Speaker 2: of the before that Tuesday. Having this open for months on,
Speaker 2: you know, a month or two, and the saying that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: people have a difficult time getting to the polls and
Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. Why guarantee you that if
Speaker 2: the county were to or somebody were to stand there
Speaker 2: with one hundred dollar bill, not from a candidate, but
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars bill, I guarantee you people would show
Speaker 2: up the vote.
Speaker 10: And so are you kidding just a five dollar bill
Speaker 10: with well.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true to anyway day you do the.
Speaker 1: Same, Linda, Thank you so much for calling you.
Speaker 2: That's a great point five one three seven four nine
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Speaker 2: in for Ryan Thomas, fifty five KRC the talk station.
Speaker 12: This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 5: Do you have a massive IRS problem?
Speaker 2: Five fifty one in the morning, Kevin Gordon in for
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, fifty five KR. See the talk station phone
Speaker 2: number is five one three seven four nine fifty five
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Speaker 2: the phones we go Mississippi James. How are you this morning,
Speaker 2: my friend?
Speaker 3: Doing all right, mister Gordy, and thank you for filling
Speaker 3: the inn for Brian.
Speaker 1: Now it's my pleasure, my pleasure entirely.
Speaker 3: On what we're gonna call this fun Friday.
Speaker 1: There you go. That'll work for me. That'll work.
Speaker 3: Now, you know. Speaking of the school district, and I
Speaker 3: did a deep dive down in my hometown on Meridian,
Speaker 3: Mississippi and thirty three population of thirty three thousand, so
Speaker 3: I can pretty much wrap my arm around it all right.
Speaker 3: And up until the late nineties, Meridian was a federal
Speaker 3: Blue ribbon school district. Then you had a couple of
Speaker 3: things come in there, kicking off of when they went
Speaker 3: to some of the private prisons, and the private prison
Speaker 3: they as we know, it's for profit. So you got
Speaker 3: to have a head in the bed, a head in
Speaker 3: the bed as they call it. And it almost as
Speaker 3: though they began to target quit teaching the kids because
Speaker 3: they changed so many formats, and they began to target
Speaker 3: the kids. You brought in zero tolerance, I mean, and
Speaker 3: the kids were sent to the juvenile center for many
Speaker 3: of your stuff because the school didn't mitigate anything. They
Speaker 3: was actually calling the city police. Police would come out
Speaker 3: and put handcuffs on ten twelve fourteen year old kids,
Speaker 3: take them to the juvenile center. So you setting them
Speaker 3: up by the time they get sixteen. Oh you've been
Speaker 3: in here two three times. Yeah, you know, they give them,
Speaker 3: give them hard time exactly. So then you look at
Speaker 3: minor offenses, right, and then I talked to some of
Speaker 3: their kids in the streets.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: Now that was old wit that probably lasted fifteen years.
Speaker 3: The Department of Justice came in there and made some
Speaker 3: sanction and told them what they had to do. Because
Speaker 3: all the records got locked down, the Department of Justice
Speaker 3: couldn't get any They used the hippo low to lock
Speaker 3: the records down. So the Department of Justice they did
Speaker 3: with their overreaching hand. They made some mandates that actually
Speaker 3: empowered the kids, and they thought they was untouchable. Then,
Speaker 3: so that pendlum swung back and forth so fast, and
Speaker 3: then it came in where we talk about being gay,
Speaker 3: you know. And I was talking to some of the
Speaker 3: kids and they say, well, they didn't want to go
Speaker 3: to school because they thought they would either go to
Speaker 3: jail or they will be turned gate. And you have
Speaker 3: to listen at their reason. Now, we adults, we passed
Speaker 3: that stage, but they are vulnerable kids and stuff that
Speaker 3: in their life. And when I did my deep dive
Speaker 3: into what do that mean? I understood what they were saying.
Speaker 3: So we put these kids in a peerless position, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just destroyed them. And then we're from there, not
Speaker 3: being able to read school and all this stuff. You poverty,
Speaker 3: you know, you just throw them into a.
Speaker 1: Sub culture underclaimed exactly.
Speaker 3: And then next thing they know, like spontaneous combustion, keep
Speaker 3: packing down, packing down, it explodes in whatever way. So
Speaker 3: now you see the guns and the drugs and we
Speaker 3: don't know where we're going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, and this is something that needs to
Speaker 2: be looked at. I think the injustice system, you know,
Speaker 2: you hear that from time to time, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people will go, oh, well, you know, you don't
Speaker 2: get into the system unless you know you've done something.
Speaker 2: Oh no, not necessarily. And once you're in that system,
Speaker 2: it's almost like it's geared to keep you in that system.
Speaker 2: I know some people that try to hire people that
Speaker 2: are in the system, and it is so difficult for
Speaker 2: them to try to hold a job with all their
Speaker 2: all the times that they have to go to court
Speaker 2: and everything on something after they serve their sentence, And
Speaker 2: it's the whole thing needs to be revamped and the
Speaker 2: whole idea of these schools that needs to be looked
Speaker 2: at as well. Mississippi gim I'm up against the clock here.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate the phone call, and uh, I'd look
Speaker 2: forward to talking to you next time.
Speaker 1: I'm in.
Speaker 2: Have a great day and have a great weekend coming up,
Speaker 2: We've got more fun and frivolity. I'm Kevin Gordon in
Speaker 2: for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the talk station
Speaker 2: five minutes after six on this good Friday. Hope you
Speaker 2: uh have some time today to spend a moment or
Speaker 2: two thinking about what the significance of this day is,
Speaker 2: and of course this being Holy week, to spend some
Speaker 2: time uh thinking about that and the whole you know,
Speaker 2: get back in touch with your religious roots and so on.
Speaker 2: And of course to my Jewish friends out there, it's
Speaker 2: one of those times where Passover corresponds.
Speaker 1: With the Easter season. It's usually a little bit.
Speaker 2: Around the same time or so, but this is the
Speaker 2: Holy season or the Holy season for the Jewish community
Speaker 2: as well with Passover, and of course brings to mind
Speaker 2: this nut job that what was at last Saturday that
Speaker 2: tried to torch and burn down the governor's mansion there
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. And of course, you know, not as much
Speaker 2: has been made of that as probably should be made.
Speaker 2: The last hour, I started talking about taxes, and I
Speaker 2: started talking about how infuriated I get as a matter
Speaker 2: of in terms of tax day and the fact that
Speaker 2: how many, how many hours we spend on an annual
Speaker 2: basis as an individual, for businesses and everybody in the
Speaker 2: United States. And you know, the numbers are just absolutely
Speaker 2: astounding when you really dig into them. And those are
Speaker 2: the things that you know, when you when you look
Speaker 2: at the actual tax burden. It's not just necessarily the
Speaker 2: actual act of paying the taxes itself. But when you
Speaker 2: talk in terms of the amount of time I mentioned
Speaker 2: how many hours what was it seven point nine billion
Speaker 2: hours filing tax returns. If you add that all up
Speaker 2: at it and just using forty four dollars and fifty cents,
Speaker 2: which is kind of the average hourly rate if you
Speaker 2: average it out through the entire system, four hundred and
Speaker 2: thirteen billion dollars is spent as far as the man
Speaker 2: hours just gathering the documents and whatnot. And then you
Speaker 2: have the out of pocket expenditures to where people have
Speaker 2: to file their tax returns and actually have them pay
Speaker 2: for that. That's another one hundred and thirty three billion dollars.
Speaker 2: You throw that into the mix. In terms of being
Speaker 2: able to have that money in your pocket, the number
Speaker 2: of hours away from your family complying with federal taxes
Speaker 2: and so on, it's absolutely astounding. And let's not forget
Speaker 2: one of the things that we experienced this week also
Speaker 2: was on Wednesday was Tax Freedom Day, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if many people talk talked about that.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: I would rather see that our elections be held on
Speaker 2: April the sixteenth every year, or when the calendar or
Speaker 2: when the elections are happening simply because that's when people
Speaker 2: are the most fired up and the people that are
Speaker 2: most paying attention. But Tax Freedom Day to give you
Speaker 2: a little idea that Tax Freedom Day was conceived in
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties to help people understand how much of
Speaker 2: their money all levels of American government taken taxes by
Speaker 2: asking a simple question. If the average worker sent their
Speaker 2: entire paycheck every penny you earn, every penny that is
Speaker 2: in your tax, if you sent that to the government
Speaker 2: starting on January first, how many days would a person
Speaker 2: have to work before they got to keep any of
Speaker 2: their own money. How mind you spending taking every penny
Speaker 2: you earn and sending it off to the government. Any
Speaker 2: guests out there, any guests April tenth, That means that
Speaker 2: you have worked the entire month of January, February, March,
Speaker 2: and almost half of more than half of April before
Speaker 2: you pay your federal and your tax obligation for the year.
Speaker 2: If you've sent every penny you earn, that to me,
Speaker 2: that is just absolutely appalling. And when we start talking
Speaker 2: about living in a free society, if you're burdened by
Speaker 2: more than a quarter of your year, you are working
Speaker 2: for the government, Well, think of it in those terms.
Speaker 2: A quarter of the year you are an indentured service
Speaker 2: to the government in order to pay your taxes. Think
Speaker 2: about that from that aspect, unbelievable. And then when I
Speaker 2: started hearing this stuff about the rich don't pay enough,
Speaker 2: that to me is just that is one of those
Speaker 2: things that you know, every you know, they talk about
Speaker 2: it from time to time, people bring it up, and
Speaker 2: it just seems to go in one year and out
Speaker 2: the other. But just kind of put this in perspective.
Speaker 2: If you look at all the money that the federal
Speaker 2: government takes in in the way of taxes taxpayers reportedly
Speaker 2: nearly fourteen point eight trillion, and adjust the gross income
Speaker 2: the total amount of taxes that were paid during the year.
Speaker 2: Let me see, total taxes paid fell by fifty seven
Speaker 2: to two point one trillion dollars in the year of
Speaker 2: twenty Now, a lot of these numbers it takes them
Speaker 2: a couple of years to come up with them, But
Speaker 2: something in the neighborhood of two point one trillion dollars
Speaker 2: that is paid in taxes. Who pays that The top
Speaker 2: one percent of earners in this country pay forty point
Speaker 2: four percent of that two point one billion dollars trillion dollars. Rather,
Speaker 2: if you add in the other four percent, so you
Speaker 2: have the top five percent, The top five percent account
Speaker 2: for sixty one percent of all taxes paid. The top
Speaker 2: ten percent. When you start expanding that out, they are
Speaker 2: responsible for adding up, you know, the top ten percent,
Speaker 2: which includes the top one, top five and so on,
Speaker 2: seventy two percent of the taxes. And by the time
Speaker 2: you get to the twenty five percent, twenty five percent
Speaker 2: of the populations pay eighty seven point two percent of
Speaker 2: the taxes, and the bottom fifty percent pay only three percent.
Speaker 2: So when they say the rich don't pay enough, that
Speaker 2: we need to take more money from the rich, that
Speaker 2: they need to pay their fair share, folks, they're paying
Speaker 2: their full share. And what I thought was very interesting
Speaker 2: the other day, I was watching a show I think
Speaker 2: it was on Fox News, and of course they were
Speaker 2: always big on doing this man on the street, and
Speaker 2: I forget where they were, I don't know if they
Speaker 2: were in New York or whatever, but they were talking
Speaker 2: to people and they were going up to them and
Speaker 2: asking them, do you think the rich pay too much
Speaker 2: or don't pay enough in taxes? And it was amazing
Speaker 2: how many people from all walks of life and a
Speaker 2: diverse community.
Speaker 1: Said, hell, no, I hope to be.
Speaker 2: Rich one day and I don't want to have to
Speaker 2: pay any more than when I have to. To me,
Speaker 2: that was astounding because we are told by the spoon
Speaker 2: fed regurgitators in the mainstream media that there are so
Speaker 2: many people out there that are envious to the rich,
Speaker 2: that they despise the rich, that they think that they
Speaker 2: don't pay enough, that they don't pay their way, and
Speaker 2: it's just not there. And you know, when I start
Speaker 2: hearing and maybe I should explain when I talk about
Speaker 2: spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, you know, I
Speaker 2: say that for a reason. I'm just not trying to
Speaker 2: be flip. But when you go overseas in England and
Speaker 2: in European Union, they don't call them news anchors. They
Speaker 2: call them news presenters. And when you see our local
Speaker 2: news people when they're talking, how many times you know
Speaker 2: it used to be go back to the days. I'm
Speaker 2: aging myself here, But when you go back to the
Speaker 2: days of when Nick Clooney did the news, or you're
Speaker 2: talking about even Outshadowcottie, it was usually just a headshot
Speaker 2: from almost about mid chest up. Now, if you notice
Speaker 2: that all of these cameras are backed up enough so
Speaker 2: you can actually see the quote anchors at the desk,
Speaker 2: and if you watch their hands, it is actually something
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood of where they extend their arms out
Speaker 2: when they're giving a story, when they're talking about a
Speaker 2: particular story, because they are presenting that to you, so
Speaker 2: they're not doing the hard digging into the individual story itself.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I've often wondered if you
Speaker 2: stood outside out on the street, and when they came
Speaker 2: out to go to their car, if you ask them
Speaker 2: what were the top ten stories that you did tonight,
Speaker 2: I wonder how many of them could actually mention them,
Speaker 2: because they're so used to seeing that teleprompter that I'm
Speaker 2: not sure that they even know what stories are covering.
Speaker 2: All they're doing is presenting the news. And then when
Speaker 2: you take into consideration of what we've seen over the
Speaker 2: last several years in terms of the lies that we've
Speaker 2: heard as far as Russia Russia, Russia, COVID with the
Speaker 2: origins of COVID, where that came from the fact of
Speaker 2: some of the stories that were suppressed there the fact
Speaker 2: that the number of polling and the pulling information that
Speaker 2: we got last year in terms of who was ahead,
Speaker 2: who was that election was not anywhere close to what
Speaker 2: they said it was. And the number of lies that
Speaker 2: we've had from our reporters over the years, the Hunter laptop,
Speaker 2: the whole scenario there, the spying on the Trump campaign
Speaker 2: in the first in twenty sixteen, all of these lies
Speaker 2: from the media, I'm surprised that they actually still have
Speaker 2: any credibility at all. And then when you couple that
Speaker 2: with the fact that all they are are basically a
Speaker 2: propaganda arm of the DNC, and they're basically handed the
Speaker 2: talking points from the DNC and then they regurgitate that
Speaker 2: to us. That's why I call them the spoonful. They're
Speaker 2: fed the information from the propagandas and then they regurgitated
Speaker 2: to us and we're supposed to buy it hook line
Speaker 2: and sinker. So when you talk to these spoon hear
Speaker 2: these spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, it always
Speaker 2: necessary to kind of step back and think, you know,
Speaker 2: are they really giving me the straight scoop on this?
Speaker 2: And maybe I should do a little bit more digging
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Speaker 12: You don't think about it.
Speaker 1: Six twenty in the morning.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the
Speaker 2: talk station.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Bottom of the hour.
Speaker 2: We're going to have Dave Hatter And of course, as
Speaker 2: I refer it's supposed to be considered a cyber let
Speaker 2: me see tech Friday, but I kind of change the
Speaker 2: name to that to scare the hell out of your
Speaker 2: Friday because of so the information. He has great information,
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you what it is concerning sometimes some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that he comes up with. So looking
Speaker 2: forward to talking to him. He's a good guy. I've
Speaker 2: known him more. I even know him even before talking
Speaker 2: to him on the radio. I've bumped in him a
Speaker 2: few times along the way, as far as in the
Speaker 2: circles I go in, as far as politics in northern Kentucky.
Speaker 2: So anyway, looking forward to talking to him. You know,
Speaker 2: one of the things that was shocking to me this week.
Speaker 2: And maybe I should have known this or whatever, but
Speaker 2: you know, they have this post office. You know that
Speaker 2: they've been in the news a lot and talking about
Speaker 2: privatizing that and some of the reforms that need to
Speaker 2: be done with that. And I actually had to go
Speaker 2: buy a stamp the other day. You know, we do
Speaker 2: so much online anymore, it's kind of almost antiquated as
Speaker 2: somebody spend spending time to you know, nobody writes a
Speaker 2: letter anymore. Most people pay their bills online. Very few people,
Speaker 2: you know, send a check in, and so you know,
Speaker 2: we've kind of gotten away from that.
Speaker 1: And I know that on you know.
Speaker 2: Birthday cards and Christmas cards and stuff like that, we
Speaker 2: do send postage out. But we bought these forever stamps,
Speaker 2: and we bought we must have bought. I don't We're
Speaker 2: still working through the inventory of forever stamps that we bought,
Speaker 2: I think probably four or five years ago, so I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure, you know. Anyway, but the other day
Speaker 2: I needed a stamp, and so I went to the
Speaker 2: post office to have something mail, and my god, I
Speaker 2: was absolutely shocked. Seventy three cents for a stamp seventy
Speaker 2: three cents. You go back to what was it January
Speaker 2: back in the twenty nineteen that was fifty five cents
Speaker 2: a stamp back then. You mean to tell me that
Speaker 2: it has gone up fifty percent in just a couple
Speaker 2: of years, that is insanity. And on a side note,
Speaker 2: I've lived where I've lived now for about eighteen years.
Speaker 2: Actually we're going into our nineteenth year. And when we
Speaker 2: first moved in, there was a mailman that came by,
Speaker 2: and for some reason, it seemed that my schedule was
Speaker 2: such that it seemed that whenever he would come up,
Speaker 2: he would I would be there and or I'd run
Speaker 2: into him from time to time and we'd get to talking,
Speaker 2: and I started, you know, talking more more, and he
Speaker 2: realized or he recognized the fact that I had fill
Speaker 2: in from time to time here at Kris and on WLW,
Speaker 2: and so he was kind of shocked to meet me
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. So anyway, we got to
Speaker 2: talking and everything about different things, and he started telling
Speaker 2: me about some of the things in the post office
Speaker 2: in terms of the amount of layers of supervision that's there.
Speaker 2: And like most just like our schools, you go to
Speaker 2: some of these schools, there are more. There are almost
Speaker 2: as many administrators as there are teachers. You go to
Speaker 2: colleges and universities, between the DEI office and this office
Speaker 2: and that office, there are more administrators in these colleges
Speaker 2: and universities then there are actually faculty members. And the
Speaker 2: reason for that is that when you have student loans
Speaker 2: and that is being paid for, and people are taking
Speaker 2: out these loans and that money is available, well, of
Speaker 2: course they're going to expand their curriculum. They're going to
Speaker 2: not curriculum, but expand their footprint in terms of the
Speaker 2: number of people that they hire and nothing. And it's
Speaker 2: so true in other businesses. You'll see from time to
Speaker 2: time where a lot of companies will when good times,
Speaker 2: they'll hire people, and when times go bad, then they
Speaker 2: start going through and saying, you know, we've got an awful.
Speaker 1: Lot of dead weight here.
Speaker 2: We got to figure out some way of maybe reducing,
Speaker 2: maybe freezing hiring or giving buyout packages to people that
Speaker 2: are that are about to retire, and see if we
Speaker 2: can minimize that to a certain extent. And so you
Speaker 2: see this in corporations, but you never see that in
Speaker 2: federal government. You never see that. Well, until recently with
Speaker 2: doze and everything. But you don't see that in the
Speaker 2: post office. And they're one of the most inefficient. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: you know, they do pretty let me say they do
Speaker 2: a good job of getting the mail there. Those are
Speaker 2: the mail carriers and the sorders and so on. But
Speaker 2: these supervisors, this guy used to tell me that there
Speaker 2: were actually supervisors. You know, it's not like we live
Speaker 2: in a high crime area. We live in a condo
Speaker 2: complex which is kind of not private. It's not gated
Speaker 2: or anything, but there's hardly any traffic on the street.
Speaker 2: And if he got out of his truck and didn't
Speaker 2: turn the engine off and walk the twenty steps up
Speaker 2: and put the mail in the box, and he just
Speaker 2: let the car keep running, there were actually supervisors that
Speaker 2: would follow behind and then nail them and put them
Speaker 2: on suspension for not turning off the engine and taking
Speaker 2: the keys out of the cognition when they go the
Speaker 2: amount of time, you know, he would talk about, Hey,
Speaker 2: I can't spend time talking, he says, I'm running behind it.
Speaker 2: I've been talking to a couple of people and I've
Speaker 2: got some you know, they time us now on how
Speaker 2: we do our routes and so on, and this is nuts.
Speaker 1: I mean when you take.
Speaker 2: Into consideration that these post office, these postal employees, they
Speaker 2: are the face of the post office. And if you
Speaker 2: have a good feeling about your carrier, which are very
Speaker 2: important to you and very friendly, then you have a
Speaker 2: better idea or a better feeling of the post office.
Speaker 2: But you take that away that you don't have as
Speaker 2: great a connection with the postal service. And it is
Speaker 2: something that needs to be dozed. It needs to be
Speaker 2: looked at, it needs to be reformed, and if it
Speaker 2: requires it being privatized, it needs to be privatized. Coming
Speaker 2: up bottom of the air, we're gonna be talking to
Speaker 2: Dave Hatter, looking forward to that. I'm Kevin Gordon in
Speaker 2: for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC DE.
Speaker 12: Talk station fifty five KRC.
Speaker 1: Six thirty in the.
Speaker 2: Morning, Kevin Gordon and for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see.
Speaker 1: The talk station.
Speaker 2: And as always we've got Tech Friday with my good
Speaker 2: friend Dave Hatter, or as I like to call it,
Speaker 2: scare that hell out of here Friday.
Speaker 1: Dave, how are you this morning?
Speaker 7: I'm good, I'm good. Kevin.
Speaker 1: How are you not bad at all? Not bad?
Speaker 8: At all.
Speaker 1: It's been a while since we've talked, which is a shame.
Speaker 1: That's not right.
Speaker 7: So I hate that I'm always scaring people, but always
Speaker 7: good to Charlie and hopefully Kevin. We're doing some good
Speaker 7: out there.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's always necessary to let people know what's
Speaker 2: going on, because I mean, there are so many people
Speaker 2: that are just how you hear these things from time
Speaker 2: to time, and it's just frightening as to all the
Speaker 2: scams and stuff that are there.
Speaker 7: Well, and you know, this is what I do for
Speaker 7: a living in my day job, and you know a
Speaker 7: big part of what we try to do with Interust
Speaker 7: is help you defend against these things and then be
Speaker 7: resilient so if you get hit as a business with
Speaker 7: one of these, you can recover quickly with minimal impact.
Speaker 7: But unfortunately, unfortunately these scams are running rampant. These folks
Speaker 7: are very smart. I mean I can easily spend this
Speaker 7: whole half hours just telling you real world stories that
Speaker 7: things I personally have seen our companies experience, and in
Speaker 7: some cases they're devastating. Some companies do not recover from
Speaker 7: these things.
Speaker 2: I want to stop you for a second third, Dave Hatter,
Speaker 2: because you kind of minimize something there. You talk about
Speaker 2: your day job and this sort of thing. What I
Speaker 2: know about you is that you know, there are people,
Speaker 2: they're probably about four or five people that I know
Speaker 2: of that I've passed or that've met through business contacts
Speaker 2: and whatever, that really have a passion for what it
Speaker 2: is they do. They are a student of what they do.
Speaker 2: They tend to I mean, I mean, I've talked to
Speaker 2: you on a number of on a number of different issues.
Speaker 2: It's not like you're just you know, just as you know,
Speaker 2: blinders on single focus, but you are at actually a
Speaker 2: student of this. You enjoy it, you like it. There's
Speaker 2: a certain amount I can tell you know when we
Speaker 2: talk about you have a passion for this, and that
Speaker 2: is rare. So it's not just a job to you,
Speaker 2: it's a passion and it's something that you totally are
Speaker 2: doing a service to people, and you enjoy what you
Speaker 2: do so well.
Speaker 7: That is a very kind compliment, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 7: But you know, I'm pretty nerdy Kevin, so I do.
Speaker 7: I enjoy the technology, but I also feel a little
Speaker 7: guilty sometimes because you know, I spent almost twenty five
Speaker 7: years of my career as a software engineer building this
Speaker 7: sort of stuff for people. And that's partially how I
Speaker 7: got into the cybersecurity pieces. I kept seeing the same
Speaker 7: mistakes being made. I kept seeing there there was not
Speaker 7: a focus on security, you know most of most of
Speaker 7: the time, that focus would be on can I make
Speaker 7: what you want work? Can I get it done on
Speaker 7: time and within budget, as opposed to one of the
Speaker 7: downstream consequences. If this has a security breach of some sort,
Speaker 7: that's really kind of what got And then then when
Speaker 7: I started to see all these nation state actors get
Speaker 7: in the game, China and Russia ran North Korea, there's
Speaker 7: sort of the access of evil, if you will, in
Speaker 7: cybersecurity of the nation state actors. Keep in mind, you've
Speaker 7: got criminal gangs all around the world, you know, voting
Speaker 7: these attacks on people, individuals, businesses. I'll tell you this
Speaker 7: is a true story, Kevin first hand knowledge of this
Speaker 7: Cincinnati based company referred to us to a partner and
Speaker 7: accounting company. They lost nine hundred and eighty three thousand
Speaker 7: dollars through account takeover that led to fraudulent invoices. And
Speaker 7: we see this sort of thing, wow all the time. Now,
Speaker 7: what company has a spare nine hundred and eighty three
Speaker 7: thousand dollars laying around.
Speaker 1: I wish I did, but I don't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, me too, brother. That would be you know, devastating,
Speaker 7: if not potentially catastrophic for many businesses to lose that
Speaker 7: kind of money.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and Dave, that's not just the nine
Speaker 2: hundred and some thousand dollars. I mean, yeah, okay, that's
Speaker 2: a that's a hole in the budget. But when you
Speaker 2: look from an accounting standpoint at that company and you
Speaker 2: look at what their revenue is and what their bottom
Speaker 2: line is, let's say it's ten percent, that ten percent
Speaker 2: would equate to in order to make that nine hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars back. What is that something like nine billion
Speaker 2: in sales that you are nine hundred whatever the number
Speaker 2: is in sales, so that you can equal that profit
Speaker 2: to pay that nine hundred million dollars.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's you raise another very valid point that oftentimes
Speaker 7: is misunderstood out there in the world of business until
Speaker 7: something bad happens. And I totally understand that your average
Speaker 7: business person is trying to run their business. They're trying
Speaker 7: to make money.
Speaker 3: They're trying to grow the business.
Speaker 7: They got all kinds of worries and concerns and things
Speaker 7: that they want to do, things they're trying to do
Speaker 7: to be successful. I totally get that they don't want
Speaker 7: to have to know about all these things. They don't
Speaker 7: want to have to worry about this stuff. And what
Speaker 7: I often hear is, Oh, we're a small business. We
Speaker 7: don't have anything worth stealing, and your money is worth stealing,
Speaker 7: and if you make it easy, they will steal your money.
Speaker 7: It's amazing how creative and deedious these folks are. And
Speaker 7: now we're throwing these generative AI tools, whether it's something
Speaker 7: like chats ept that can generate perfect English pros versus
Speaker 7: the broken English we would see in these attacks ten
Speaker 7: fifteen years ago, or all the way up to deep
Speaker 7: fake voice cloning. And I have people tell me all
Speaker 7: the time they don't believe it. Kevin, I'm here to
Speaker 7: tell you, and I may have told you this before.
Speaker 7: John Mattteriche and WCPO called me up. We did a
Speaker 7: TV interview in less than one hour. I swear this
Speaker 7: is true, and you can look it up on their website.
Speaker 7: In less than one hour from the time he called me,
Speaker 7: I went out and found a free website that claimed
Speaker 7: to clone a voice. I'd never used it before. I'd
Speaker 7: never tried this before. I just knew it was a thing. Freesite,
Speaker 7: no experience. I get on there, I mess with a
Speaker 7: little bit. John shows up and in less than an
Speaker 7: hour you can see it in the interview I did
Speaker 7: with him. We clone his voice. Now he had to
Speaker 7: read a sentence a couple of times to train the tool,
Speaker 7: and then you can watch me in the interview type
Speaker 7: in Hello, Gramma, this is John and needs your help.
Speaker 7: Hit a button and it comes out to speakers.
Speaker 3: Now that was no.
Speaker 7: Experience with a free tool two years ago. These things
Speaker 7: are way better. And then, Kevin, what I always get is, well, Dave,
Speaker 7: I'm not a celebrity, how would you get my voice?
Speaker 7: How would the average criminal get my voice? I'm the
Speaker 7: CEO of the company X, or the mayor of city
Speaker 7: Y or whatever. Do you have a voicemail greeting? If
Speaker 7: you do, I am you. I am you. In less
Speaker 7: than fifteen minutes, there, I encourage all of your listeners.
Speaker 7: It is very frightening because most people don't know it's
Speaker 7: a thing, and even if they've heard of it, don't
Speaker 7: believe it could happen to them. Again, if you have
Speaker 7: a voicemail greeting, if your voice is out there somewhere
Speaker 7: in social media or anywhere that a criminal can get to,
Speaker 7: you can potentially be deep fake voice clone. I encourage
Speaker 7: all your listeners. This was well documented in the media.
Speaker 7: The CEO of Ferrari had his voice clones and nearly
Speaker 7: fooled the CFO of Ferrari, the car people that they
Speaker 7: work with together all the time, nearly fooled them into
Speaker 7: making a financial transaction. It was only at the last minute,
Speaker 7: but the CFO started to get a weird vibe. Everything
Speaker 7: was very unusual about what the CEO was asking for,
Speaker 7: and the CEO asked me quote CEO a question that
Speaker 7: only the CEO could know. And at that point the
Speaker 7: jig was up. He realized this was some kind of
Speaker 7: scam that is going to be a tsunami of crime
Speaker 7: and it is here today. I stress enough to people
Speaker 7: they just watched watch the interview John and I did.
Speaker 7: John WCPO website or find me on social media. You'll
Speaker 7: find it and you'll see how easy this is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Well, Dave, we need to step out real quick and
Speaker 2: we'll come back. I want to continue on with this,
Speaker 2: and I got a little story and last month I
Speaker 2: was down at the Mid America Trucking Show and some
Speaker 2: of the technology that's coming out there in the AI
Speaker 2: area is right along this line of what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: And I can see how that's great from their aspect,
Speaker 2: but how criminals can use that also, So we'll pick
Speaker 2: this up. My guest is Dave Hatter, cybersecurity expert, the
Speaker 2: top cybersecurity expert in the Greater Cincinnati and in my opinion, anywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs, the.
Speaker 12: Talk station, fifty five KARC.
Speaker 1: So how do we create value?
Speaker 12: This is great six.
Speaker 1: Forty one in the morning.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the
Speaker 2: talk station, continuing our conversation with Dave Hatter, cybersecurity expert,
Speaker 2: one of the premier cybersecurity experts in the area and
Speaker 2: from my opinion, anywhere that I've found anyway. So Dave,
Speaker 2: I mentioned before the before the break that I had
Speaker 2: been down at the Mid America Trucking Show last month
Speaker 2: and one of the big people, or one of the
Speaker 2: big advertisers down there that was making a splash is
Speaker 2: this using this AI technology And he stopped by the
Speaker 2: booth and we had the interview and he talked about
Speaker 2: how this program that they have is geared towards the
Speaker 2: trucking industry and AI, I guess, is getting so specific
Speaker 2: now that when you are doing like voice commands or
Speaker 2: voice that it kind of can translate not only you know,
Speaker 2: you can do a sentence in English, French and whatever,
Speaker 2: and it will combine that and give the translation to
Speaker 2: a specific individual or get that out. Also they are
Speaker 2: interpreting better what he called what he referred to as
Speaker 2: blue collar English. And then it's specific because if you're
Speaker 2: in the trucking realm and this is a tool for
Speaker 2: the trucking realm, instead of misunderstanding, as I texted you
Speaker 2: before the show or before you came on, I voicemailed
Speaker 2: or voiced a text to you and the word came
Speaker 2: out completely bizarre. But because of the text of what
Speaker 2: we're talking about, it would have corrected that. And I
Speaker 2: think you know, from the aspects of getting load boards
Speaker 2: and finding loads and negotiating of AI, negotiating all the
Speaker 2: business and stuff with your truck so you don't have
Speaker 2: to do it while you're driving is great. But then again,
Speaker 2: the way that can be used is what you were
Speaker 2: talking about. How that can be used, as you said
Speaker 2: with Ferrari, how you can really scam something is frightening.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with you, Kevin. This technology is rapidly progressed. Now,
Speaker 7: I want to be really honest and tell you, I
Speaker 7: don't think skynet is going to become aware anytime soon.
Speaker 7: We're not going to see terminators dropping out of the sky,
Speaker 7: wiping us all out or anything like that.
Speaker 8: Now, I also say, you.
Speaker 7: Know, I don't know what's in some lamp somewhere, Kevin,
Speaker 7: but I can just tell you if I'm working with
Speaker 7: the tools that are readily available today, things like.
Speaker 3: Chat, CPT or ROCK which is Ex's.
Speaker 7: Generative AI, or things like that. There's still a lot
Speaker 7: of limitations, and one of the concerns that many people
Speaker 7: bull rays on a regular basis is these things hallucinate.
Speaker 7: They just make things up. You know, maybe it's correct
Speaker 7: eighty percent of the time, and twenty percent of the
Speaker 7: time you don't know if what you've got is right
Speaker 7: or not. You know, that's one of the limitations. But
Speaker 7: to your point, you're also seeing more and this is
Speaker 7: not new, but it's come on rapidly and you're seeing
Speaker 7: it's spreading a lot of fields. Purpose built AI things
Speaker 7: that are designed to do a specific type of task.
Speaker 7: You know, cats gpt is. It can't do everything, but
Speaker 7: it can do a lot of different things fairly well.
Speaker 7: But there are other.
Speaker 3: Ais out there that have a specific type.
Speaker 7: Of task they're trying to do, and many of them are,
Speaker 7: you know, pretty spectacular. I can tell you we use
Speaker 7: some AI internally of interest to do things like answer
Speaker 7: phone calls and rout them to the right people faster.
Speaker 7: So rather than have a human being kind of doing
Speaker 7: a routine, mundane, boring task all day long, they can
Speaker 7: focus on higher value things. They can focus on, you know,
Speaker 7: getting faster resolutions for our clients, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7: But this this thing, and it's not just voice, right,
Speaker 7: it's deep fake video as well. There are some documented
Speaker 7: examples in the media out there of people on i'll
Speaker 7: just call it a video conference for lack of a
Speaker 7: better description, where they think they're talking to a human being.
Speaker 3: There has been a plethora of.
Speaker 7: Stories hitting the news about deep fake AI being used
Speaker 7: for job interviews and that sort of thing. So I
Speaker 7: think It's never been more important, Kevin, for people to understand.
Speaker 7: The old adage of you know, if you see it,
Speaker 7: you can believe it kind of thing is no longer
Speaker 7: true because much of this technology is good enough now,
Speaker 7: especially if you're not aware this is a thing, especially
Speaker 7: if you're not thinking, am I actually talking to a
Speaker 7: human being here? Or am I somehow? Am I talking
Speaker 7: to some sort of AI agent, whether it's a void
Speaker 7: sort of video or whatever. And I encourage people go
Speaker 7: learn as much about this as you can. I mean,
Speaker 7: you don't need to get into the business. Just go
Speaker 7: find some of these stories, read that CEO story.
Speaker 2: There's got to be and there's got to be some way,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure that somebody could probably make a fortune
Speaker 2: at this, and maybe we should develop it ourselves, Dave,
Speaker 2: and then we can retire being able to buy the
Speaker 2: words that are used, the phrases that are used, or
Speaker 2: maybe questions that you can ask to find out whether
Speaker 2: in fact you're dealing with AI or a human being
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that technology is out there yet,
Speaker 2: but that would certainly there are lots of.
Speaker 7: Smart people working on that technology to try to you
Speaker 7: know whether it's watermark something or yeah, sometimes have a
Speaker 7: way to know that something is a deep SAKEI the
Speaker 7: problem as I see it, and also you know, I'm
Speaker 7: not I don't have deep, deep knowledge in that space,
Speaker 7: especially the space of people trying to help you determine
Speaker 7: whether something's legit or not. Is the technology is moving
Speaker 7: very quickly, and the bad are super creative. Again, we
Speaker 7: could spend this entire segment, Kevin, I could probably talk
Speaker 7: to you for more than three hours.
Speaker 8: We could actual stories.
Speaker 1: We're heading in that direction, my friend.
Speaker 7: The creativity of the bad guys. It's quite insane.
Speaker 2: And what's even more insane, Dave Hatter, is the legislators
Speaker 2: trying to rain this in. They are at least what
Speaker 2: three years behind.
Speaker 7: It's it's tough. I can tell you. I end up,
Speaker 7: you know, talking to legislators in Kentucky a lot on
Speaker 7: these technology topics, trying to, you know, give some insight
Speaker 7: and steer these conversations. I'm genuinely an anti regulation sort
Speaker 7: of guy. This is such a wild West out there,
Speaker 7: and it's it's moving so quickly, and I'm really concerned
Speaker 7: both for business related fraud and individual fraud. I mean,
Speaker 7: people are losing their life saving businesses, are losing amounts
Speaker 7: of money of going out of business because of this stuff.
Speaker 2: And it's one of those things and until it actually
Speaker 2: hits you, you just, oh, that's the other guy.
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen to me. That's not going
Speaker 1: to happen to me. Exactly.
Speaker 7: I fully understand how hard it is for people to
Speaker 7: believe this.
Speaker 2: All right, we need to talk and we need to
Speaker 2: talk about because you presented this this what is it
Speaker 2: for Scouts twenty twenty five report. We got to bring
Speaker 2: that up before we get out of here. Could we've
Speaker 2: run up against the clock, but we'll step out here
Speaker 2: for a moment and we'll come back and hit that.
Speaker 2: My guest is Dave Hatter. He is a cybersecurity expert
Speaker 2: and love talking to him. I'm Kevin Gordon and for
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the.
Speaker 12: Talk station fifty five KARC.
Speaker 1: Six fifty two in the morning.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KR see
Speaker 2: the talk station. Continue on our conversation with Dave Hatter
Speaker 2: and Dave, we're only about three minutes left and I
Speaker 2: guess we should probably talk about one of the topics
Speaker 2: you brought up and this is extremely important and I
Speaker 2: ought to post this on Facebook and maybe we can
Speaker 2: have the station do that on their station as well.
Speaker 2: But this four Scout has released the fifth annual Risk
Speaker 2: Is Connected Devices of twenty twenty five report.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Kevin, I'll be honestly, I'm a lot more worried
Speaker 7: about the Internet of Things aka smart devices than I
Speaker 7: am AI. At this point, we are blindly adding all
Speaker 7: kinds of connected devices into our environment, whether it's your car,
Speaker 7: which is now basically a rolling computer on wheels. And
Speaker 7: if you want to see something really hair raising, look
Speaker 7: up Privacy Not Included. It's a website by Mozilla where
Speaker 7: they look at the privacy implications of these so called
Speaker 7: smart devices, and they did a big expose a on
Speaker 7: car manufacturers at the end of twenty twenty three. It'll
Speaker 7: be quite hair raising for your listeners, I can assure you.
Speaker 7: But you know your your nest thermostat, your ring.
Speaker 3: Doorbell, what again is that?
Speaker 7: What was that Privacy Not Included Mozilla? But these so
Speaker 7: all smart devices. And I say that because I mostly
Speaker 7: despise all of this Internet and Things stuff, not because
Speaker 7: it's inherently bad, but because the market and incentives for
Speaker 7: them are wrong. They care about ease of use so
Speaker 7: consumers or businesses will use them. They care about speed
Speaker 7: to market, they care about market share. For the most part,
Speaker 7: they do not care about your privacy and security. And
Speaker 7: if you do any research into this whatsoever, you will
Speaker 7: find example after example after example of just the most
Speaker 7: garbage products in the world. Most of this stuff comes
Speaker 7: from China. It's you know, controlled by the Chinese Communist
Speaker 7: Party and the PRC.
Speaker 1: Once you have no idea what's embedded in that, And
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 7: That's exactly right. And most people buy these things. They
Speaker 7: plug them in because they can be cool, and they
Speaker 7: can and they can bring a lot of convenience, especially
Speaker 7: in like an industrial or medical setting. I totally understand
Speaker 7: the appeal of these sort of devices, right, I need
Speaker 7: less people to do more work. I can capture more data,
Speaker 7: I can adjust I can save energy. There's all these
Speaker 7: great reasons. But so much of this stuff is this
Speaker 7: total garbage, and it's every one of these you plug in,
Speaker 7: Kevin is a potential attack vector for the bad guys.
Speaker 3: There is a search.
Speaker 7: Engine called Showdam sho dam specifically designed to find these
Speaker 7: Internet of things connected devices. If you have a two
Speaker 7: year old thermostat and you didn't set it up right,
Speaker 7: you didn't change the fault password, or you're not updating
Speaker 7: the software in it, they can potentially find that. They'll
Speaker 7: know what vulnerabilities it has. And as far fast as
Speaker 7: this may sound to people, yes, it is within the
Speaker 7: reble possibility for me to get to your wire's router,
Speaker 7: your doorbell, your thermostat, your coffee maker, your dryer, or whatever,
Speaker 7: and use that as a jumping off point to the
Speaker 7: other devices in your network and a home network. It
Speaker 7: might be a computer you use for work, which might
Speaker 7: let me get into your work environment. In an industrial
Speaker 7: setting or a healthcare setting, or any sort of business
Speaker 7: where these devices exist, sometimes people will call it operational
Speaker 7: technology instead of it or industrial Internet of things skata ICs.
Speaker 7: If I can find these device and here's an example.
Speaker 7: Do you remember Kevin the Big I know we're at
Speaker 7: about time the Big Target hacked a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 7: All this data was leaked from Target. The hackers did
Speaker 7: not actually attack Target. They hacked an HVAC contractor that
Speaker 7: was working for Target that had access to target systems.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: Packed the subcontractor, and that's how they got into Target
Speaker 7: and stole all the data so Internet of things that
Speaker 7: this forced count report. It's very insightful for any business
Speaker 7: who is interested in what risks they might have from
Speaker 7: operational technology. We really got to get serious about about
Speaker 7: protecting the Internet of Things and stop this willing nelly
Speaker 7: buying this cheap garbage and plugging it in. Disaster is
Speaker 7: coming if we do not do that.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Dave, scare the hell out of your Friday. But
Speaker 2: it's all great stuff and well I love it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is so important and we need to do and
Speaker 2: do a better job of this. I'll post this on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we can get this up on the KRSE website. Dave,
Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure as always, have a great Easter
Speaker 2: weekend and enjoy your time with your family.
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate your time today.
Speaker 3: My pleasure to Kevin.
Speaker 7: Always good to chat with you. I appreciate and help
Speaker 7: they catch up with all.
Speaker 2: Right, Dave Hatter, I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
Speaker 2: fifty five krs the talk station. All right, six minutes
Speaker 2: after seven o'clock, Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty
Speaker 2: five krs the talk station. If you check my Facebook page,
Speaker 2: you'll know that I have in this segment and Dickerson.
Speaker 2: She is the co founder and lead organizer for Indivisible
Speaker 2: of Northern Kentucky. Indivisible and welcome to the program.
Speaker 13: Thank you, good morning.
Speaker 2: Good morning. I want to tell everybody that your name
Speaker 2: was given to me by Rand Paul's field rep. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I should say his name, but anyway,
Speaker 2: you have contacted him, and he suggested that maybe I
Speaker 2: talk to you to find out, you know, where you
Speaker 2: guys are coming from, what's on your mind. And we
Speaker 2: see these Indivisible popped up in the news all the
Speaker 2: time nationwide, and figured, well, what the heck, I'll find
Speaker 2: out what this is all about, and we'll kind of,
Speaker 2: I don't know, mix it up a little bit and
Speaker 2: see where you're coming from and where I'm coming from.
Speaker 1: So here we go.
Speaker 2: We talked about it, we talked, we talked about a
Speaker 2: couple of topics off air when we were setting up
Speaker 2: the interview, and you know, we're talking about constitutional crisis,
Speaker 2: king chaos, economy, tariffs, hands off, and so on. So
Speaker 2: I'll let you start and you tell me what you
Speaker 2: want to what is uh? I'm going to use Jen
Speaker 2: Saki's line because I absolutely hate it, but what is
Speaker 2: top of mind for you?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 13: My goodness. First off, the person that you're talking about
Speaker 13: absolutely love I could sit and talk to him for
Speaker 13: hours and hours just we you know, a really good guy,
Speaker 13: get along very well, had a very respectful relationship for years.
Speaker 13: So it was his suggestion to me to do this,
Speaker 13: not the other way around. I want to make that clear.
Speaker 13: And he just asked, he said, would you ever do
Speaker 13: something like that? And I said, sure, right, I will
Speaker 13: talk to anyone.
Speaker 1: You didn't contact me, so.
Speaker 13: Well, it's his you know. I think we have to
Speaker 13: be open to these conversations. I think that you know,
Speaker 13: in the history of politics anywhere, and if you're not
Speaker 13: talking to people, if you're not you know, able to
Speaker 13: have some kind of respectful dialogue, that's when everything breaks
Speaker 13: down and you have just this animosity, this hatred, this
Speaker 13: just I think has gotten completely out of control. I
Speaker 13: mean people have cut off family members and lifelong friends
Speaker 13: and you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 2: It does make your Christmas card list a lot shorter,
Speaker 2: so it really postage now.
Speaker 13: Well in travel too, you know, you cut down a
Speaker 13: lot of travel. I hate it for the impact emotionally
Speaker 13: the total has on a lot of people. I also
Speaker 13: understand it because it can be very hurtful. But you know,
Speaker 13: like I said, if some if you and I can
Speaker 13: sit down and have a conversation, or if I can
Speaker 13: sit down with you know, I've been in meetings in
Speaker 13: Mitch McConnell's office, in Ran Paul's office, in Thomas Mancy's office.
Speaker 13: It's over the course of since from twenty seventeen until now.
Speaker 13: I'm always open to the there's conversations to see. You know,
Speaker 13: is there a common ground we can reach? Is there
Speaker 13: is there a middle option where both parties can you know,
Speaker 13: feel good. I don't believe we'll ever get there on everything,
Speaker 13: but that doesn't mean there isn't there. Yeah, that doesn't
Speaker 13: mean there isn't a snooting point, right, So I would
Speaker 13: say to you, would you know when if you went
Speaker 13: to any of the hands off protests that were across
Speaker 13: the country. They were in last count that I saw.
Speaker 13: I forget how many hundreds there were, but there were
Speaker 13: protests in every single state.
Speaker 14: Their estimates are anywhere.
Speaker 13: From three and a half to five million people out
Speaker 13: in the streets at these various events, and you know it,
Speaker 13: the reason it was so generalized, this hands off was
Speaker 13: because everybody has a different thing that's their priority, right
Speaker 13: based on their your own you know, life, your needs,
Speaker 13: whatever is going on, and so you would see signs about,
Speaker 13: you know, hands off my social security, hands off my healthcare,
Speaker 13: hands off my education, my books, and then there were
Speaker 13: all there's always going to be called about, you know,
Speaker 13: following the constitution and hands off our traditional democratic you know,
Speaker 13: democratic republic institutions that have been around for you know,
Speaker 13: forever a number So I think all of these issues,
Speaker 13: depending on to I'm going to determine what's their number
Speaker 13: one issue.
Speaker 2: We know Ann Dickerson, who is the co founder and
Speaker 2: lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. You know, when you
Speaker 2: talk about hands off social Security, hands off Medicare, hands
Speaker 2: off healthcare, hands off you know, a lot of that
Speaker 2: can be used by conservatives such as myself, to say,
Speaker 2: I want your hands off my social security. In terms
Speaker 2: of taxing it, I don't think that that should count
Speaker 2: in terms of my income. If I choose to earn
Speaker 2: any other income. Once I passed the age of sixty five,
Speaker 2: I don't think the federals with you that. I don't
Speaker 2: think the federal government should be messing around.
Speaker 1: With our our medical information.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you know this push years ago
Speaker 2: to put everything online. I don't know if you were
Speaker 2: listening in the previous half hour, but Dave Hatter, who
Speaker 2: is a cybersecurity expert, talks about how vulnerable all.
Speaker 1: These things are.
Speaker 2: So you go and you have you know, it's great
Speaker 2: that you can have your medical records and you can
Speaker 2: go to one doctor and then they can pull up
Speaker 2: your medical records through whatever service they have, But anytime
Speaker 2: you're transmitting that stuff, there are vulnerabilities and somebody getting
Speaker 2: a hold of your medical records. I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: everything that you would want me to know, or would
Speaker 2: I want you to know what doctors I've seen for
Speaker 2: what reason, what medications I'm on, or any of that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff which can be used, as you've seen
Speaker 2: in the past, for other reasons. So when you're talking
Speaker 2: about hands off, it goes both ways.
Speaker 3: So, oh, I.
Speaker 13: Agree with you, but I would I would say that
Speaker 13: the specific issues that you're talking about. You know, anybody
Speaker 13: that I know personally would probably agree with you that
Speaker 13: on that aspect of things. You know, I don't believe
Speaker 13: that social Security should be taxed, and I don't believe
Speaker 13: our medical records should be privy to anyone. There's a
Speaker 13: reason that we have hippo laws and they need to
Speaker 13: be maintained. But you also have you know, you know,
Speaker 13: nailed down even further. You have this issue across the
Speaker 13: country with laws being written and attempted to be passed
Speaker 13: to get the medical records specifically for women of child
Speaker 13: bearing age that go to a gynecologist now and wanting
Speaker 13: to know.
Speaker 2: Issue done on that issue. Okay, And I know where
Speaker 2: you're heading with that. I'm sure it's having to do
Speaker 2: with a pro choice and that.
Speaker 13: But no, I really wasn't. I was just trying to
Speaker 13: say within what you were saying. You know, it can't
Speaker 13: be so many of these issues. You know, when I
Speaker 13: was grown up, there's a common phrase about because this
Speaker 13: is such a heavily German Catholic area, there was a
Speaker 13: there was a common phrase of somebody being a cafeteria
Speaker 13: Catholic where they would pick and choose as those to
Speaker 13: completely falling a faith. And I feel like that's a
Speaker 13: lot of what's happening now as well. You know, whether
Speaker 13: you're talking about the constitution, whether you're talking about the
Speaker 13: overreach that you mentioned with healthcare. You know, we it's
Speaker 13: either all or nothing on these things. We can't just
Speaker 13: pick and choose. Well, everybody can have privacy for their healthcare,
Speaker 13: but not if you're a woman of child bearing age.
Speaker 13: Wait a minute, Well, you know, and.
Speaker 2: That and that is important. Well to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: I can see where some of those records and some
Speaker 2: of that information is necessary.
Speaker 1: And there ought to be a way of.
Speaker 2: Having a specific number or a specific identifier that is
Speaker 2: not tied to a particular individual. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's some sort of a clearinghouse. When you go
Speaker 2: in you're randomly assigned a number. That number goes to
Speaker 2: somebody else who isn't connected with you know.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, you got an intermediary.
Speaker 2: You got a point A, the patient, and then point
Speaker 2: C where this information is gathered, and a clearinghouse point
Speaker 2: B where the individual act or the individual person's name
Speaker 2: is eliminated from that. Because that's where we get into
Speaker 2: people of child bearing age. How many miscarriages? How many
Speaker 2: you know what health factors there are when we start
Speaker 2: hearing about the infant mortality rate. When we start hearing
Speaker 2: about well women in some cases that the first time
Speaker 2: they do anything in terms of going to see a
Speaker 2: doctor is right around the time when they are especially
Speaker 2: if they're pregnant, that they don't go until the seventh month.
Speaker 1: And I just learned from a group.
Speaker 2: That I'm associated with or familiar with that's a called
Speaker 2: care net and who talks about you know, stepping in
Speaker 2: and helping people that when they're in that crisis to
Speaker 2: know that there's other options. That they said the insurance
Speaker 2: laws kick in to where you are actually covered for.
Speaker 2: That's that's stupid. I mean, if we're trying to make
Speaker 2: sure that the infant mortality rate is lower, we want
Speaker 2: to make sure that babies are a birth of healthy,
Speaker 2: the mothers are healthy. That should all begin at day
Speaker 2: one and not at the seventh months. So those kinds
Speaker 2: of things. So you know, the CDC used to come
Speaker 2: out with all these statistics about, oh, you know, how
Speaker 2: many kids I drown in a five gallon bucket because
Speaker 2: you know, toddlers, because they're so top heavy, they fall
Speaker 2: in that and drown. And to get all this facts
Speaker 2: and information so that we are more informed, I think
Speaker 2: is good, but where you don't protect the privacy rights,
Speaker 2: that's where we have a problem. And we need to
Speaker 2: take a break here real quick. So my guest is
Speaker 2: Anne Dickerson. I appreciate you spending time with us, and
Speaker 2: we'll carry this through the break and Dickerson, co founder
Speaker 2: and lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon
Speaker 2: in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KR see the talk
Speaker 2: station fifty five the talk station.
Speaker 1: Coming up on seven twenty in the morning.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs, the
Speaker 2: talk station. What appropriate bumper music for this segment? And
Speaker 2: I know that you've talked to some of your friends
Speaker 2: and you say, how dare you go on with that
Speaker 2: rabid right wing conservative nut job? And I know my
Speaker 2: people are saying the same thing. So we've got to
Speaker 2: cater a little bit to their needs because obviously, if
Speaker 2: we're agreeing on anything, they're gonna say, what the hell
Speaker 2: did you go on there for in the first place.
Speaker 13: So that's so funny. Actually, everybody in my circles like
Speaker 13: cheering me on, saying, go you.
Speaker 14: Know, just do it.
Speaker 13: Wasn't good thing, I promise you but it was more like,
Speaker 13: you know, not, not everybody is open to these kinds
Speaker 13: of conversations. So if you want to get into it,
Speaker 13: pick a topic and let's run with it.
Speaker 1: And it's up to you. You're the guest. You're the guest.
Speaker 13: Okay, all right, Okay, we gotta give you.
Speaker 7: We gotta give you.
Speaker 1: We gotta give your people and my people some red
Speaker 1: meat here, okay.
Speaker 13: Okay, So I'll jump into probably the one of the
Speaker 13: reddest meat areas that we have right now because it's
Speaker 13: so hot in the news, which is what's going on
Speaker 13: with these immigration cases, okay, and people not receiving due process,
Speaker 13: which violates the fifth and the fourteenth Amendments.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 13: You know, so it was so important to our founding
Speaker 13: fathers that they put habeas corpus write an article one.
Speaker 13: So you know, I'm real curious as to this this
Speaker 13: fever pitch that we've gotten to on immigration.
Speaker 14: Because in fact, we are all.
Speaker 13: Products of immigration. Right unless you have indigenous blood running
Speaker 13: through your veins, of the native people that were here
Speaker 13: before we ever, you know, took over this land, how
Speaker 13: can you look back through history and complain about something
Speaker 13: that is very much a part of the American dream.
Speaker 13: I mean when I grew up, you know, and I'm
Speaker 13: fifty seven, when I grew up, I grew up with
Speaker 13: the understanding that, you know, we had this self aggrandized
Speaker 13: belief that everybody comes to the United States because this
Speaker 13: is where you have freedom, and this is where anybody
Speaker 13: can become anything they want to be, and they can
Speaker 13: work themselves up. And now it's like, you know, not
Speaker 13: only are we wanting to push everybody out, we're wanting
Speaker 13: to lock ourselves in.
Speaker 14: All right, let's unpacationist feel.
Speaker 2: Let's unpack that for a moment. Okay, you do agree
Speaker 2: that the reason that you have a country is you
Speaker 2: have a country because of borders and there is a
Speaker 2: certain process by which people are supposed to enter a
Speaker 2: particular country. I don't care what it is in terms
Speaker 2: of the legal way versus the illegal way way correct?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: And if there's a flawed immigration system that needs to
Speaker 2: be worked on and that needs to be fixed, but
Speaker 2: you can't tell me that a reasonable person would think
Speaker 2: that over the last previous four years that having millions
Speaker 2: of people flooding across our border in what I would
Speaker 2: refer to as an invasion, how many people in the
Speaker 2: military got kicked out because they wouldn't take the job.
Speaker 2: How many people lost their job because they wouldn't take
Speaker 2: the job. And yet we have millions of people in
Speaker 2: this country. We don't know who they are. They weren't vetted,
Speaker 2: we don't have a proper identification for them, and they're
Speaker 2: not facts. We don't know what healthcare they have, and
Speaker 2: they're roaming our country. How do we consider ourselves a
Speaker 2: country if we are going to allow ourselves, quite honestly,
Speaker 2: in my term, to be invaded, I would.
Speaker 13: Say that the numbers that you're using are grossly infleted.
Speaker 13: Number one, Number two, I would say that the vast
Speaker 13: majority of immigrants have been maligned with these, you know,
Speaker 13: accusations of the kinds of people that they are in fact,
Speaker 13: you know, undocumented people in this country. The most recent
Speaker 13: statistic I could find, you know, came from twenty twenty two,
Speaker 13: put ninety six point seven billion dollars worth of taxes
Speaker 13: into the federal, state, and local system.
Speaker 2: You know, now, I what are the numbers, what are
Speaker 2: the numbers that are pulled out of that system? Because
Speaker 2: you hear the numbers of sixty billion dollar deficit in
Speaker 2: the city of New York and the billions of dollars
Speaker 2: in California that are spent on housing illegal immigrants and
Speaker 2: putting them up in hotels and so on.
Speaker 1: How do you offset that? What is the corresponding number?
Speaker 13: So I don't know what you're looking for there, because
Speaker 13: I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, you've got to you've got you've got to you've
Speaker 2: got people that put into the system, and you have
Speaker 2: people that take out of the system. So if you're
Speaker 2: saying we're that of the immigrants in this country they
Speaker 2: put in ninety six billion dollars, Well, what is the
Speaker 2: immigrant population taking out in the form of medical tuition,
Speaker 2: home and assistance from the Social Security system or whatever
Speaker 2: network there is out there?
Speaker 13: See, but they're here's the thing. Undocumented individuals don't have
Speaker 13: Social Security numbers. They can't get a SOI of Security number.
Speaker 13: What they get in order to file taxes is a
Speaker 13: tax identification number. In fact, an everyday citizen can get
Speaker 13: a tax identification number and not use THEIRS as security
Speaker 13: number to file their taxes. So you know, that's I
Speaker 13: think what you're what you're quoting is off in terms
Speaker 13: of that. I'll use the common day, everyday term waste
Speaker 13: fraud and abuse because you know, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps,
Speaker 13: all of those social safety nets programs that you're talking
Speaker 13: about and notorious really have very low rate of fraud.
Speaker 13: You know, compare compare in a minute, yes, compare it
Speaker 13: to the one area in the government that OS is
Speaker 13: not touched yet, which is the Pentagon and the military
Speaker 13: industrial complex.
Speaker 14: Which has sailed its last seven audits. The one area
Speaker 14: of the government that we spend the most.
Speaker 13: Amount of money on and they haven't touched it.
Speaker 14: Were the smallest chunks.
Speaker 1: Of the pie.
Speaker 2: Co founder and organizer of of Indivisibal Northern Kentucky. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go off ripped here. We were scheduled to the
Speaker 2: bottom of the hour. I'm going to carry you over
Speaker 2: past the news and we'll get into this even more.
Speaker 2: But uh again, before we go, I just want to,
Speaker 2: I want to, you know, make the mention of the
Speaker 2: fact that yes, there is waste, fraud and abuse in
Speaker 2: the military industrial complex that has been talked about, and
Speaker 2: quite honestly, there isn't a single agency. And again, people
Speaker 2: are probably tired of hearing me say this, but you
Speaker 2: probably not heard it. I am a recovering accountant so
Speaker 2: when you talk about there is not there is not
Speaker 2: an agency, There is not a division of the federal
Speaker 2: government that could pass an audit, including the i RS,
Speaker 2: And that to me is just astounding and criminal in
Speaker 2: my position. So anyway, we'll pick this up on the
Speaker 2: other side of the break. My guest again and Dickerson,
Speaker 2: co founder, lead organized well lord, lead organizer for Indivisible
Speaker 2: Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty
Speaker 2: five KR see the talk station.
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Speaker 2: Fifty five KR see the talk station, speaking with Ann Dickerson.
Speaker 2: She is co founder and lead or lead organizer for
Speaker 2: Indivisible Northern Kentucky. And thank you so much for hanging
Speaker 2: with us through the break. Certainly appreciate it. So we
Speaker 2: were talking about DOZE and going in and looking at
Speaker 2: these different organ different size of the government. I mean
Speaker 2: you you mentioned you no, you sat in conversation with
Speaker 2: Rand Paul. You're probably familiar with Rand Paul's Festivust report
Speaker 2: on an annual basis where he goes through different departments
Speaker 2: of the government talks about waste, fraud and abuse and
Speaker 2: some of these areas that probably should be cut. And
Speaker 2: I think the last one that he did there was
Speaker 2: a out one point was at one point one trillion
Speaker 2: dollars in cuts that could be done that nobody would
Speaker 2: even miss because some of this waste is there. You've
Speaker 2: got to I mean, you mentioned the fact that even
Speaker 2: the I mentioned the fact that even they're in the
Speaker 2: department of the government. I don't care what department, cabinet
Speaker 2: members or whatever. I mean, cabinet departments cannot pass an audit.
Speaker 2: So number one, we as taxpayers ought to be demanding that.
Speaker 2: And and to waste fraud and abuse. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you don't file your tax returns properly, if you tell
Speaker 2: the IRS, I can't pass an audit and just go
Speaker 2: away leave me alone.
Speaker 1: That ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2: So I think, oh yeah, I wish we as taxpayers
Speaker 2: could demand that of our government, and I think we
Speaker 2: could probably agree on that.
Speaker 1: Now we'll probably diss and I will.
Speaker 13: And I will tell you this as well. There is
Speaker 13: no one on any spectrum. Regardless of party position or
Speaker 13: what have you. There is no one that thinks that
Speaker 13: making government more efficient less wasteful is a bad pity.
Speaker 13: The bigger problem is the process right now, the way
Speaker 13: that it's that things are happening, as opposed to actually
Speaker 13: getting rid of waste, bard and abuse. However, if you
Speaker 13: look at the first quarter numbers that came out compared
Speaker 13: to last year, you will find that the money that
Speaker 13: was spent in the same time period last year under
Speaker 13: different administration to now, while we've fired or laid off,
Speaker 13: I had lost count of the number of federal workers
Speaker 13: shut down buildings which shuts down you know, all the
Speaker 13: all the management, all the money that goes into managing
Speaker 13: a building and keeping it open and running and viable
Speaker 13: for people to use. We've spent one hundred.
Speaker 14: And eighty four billion more dollars this.
Speaker 13: Year than last year in the same time period.
Speaker 1: Okay, so how are.
Speaker 14: We How are we eliminating waste bad abuse?
Speaker 13: If we're spending more money and yet we have less
Speaker 13: things that we're spending money on by already shutting all
Speaker 13: these things down and getting rid of all these people, then.
Speaker 2: The question could be come to you is why all
Speaker 2: the protests then, you know, because if nothing has changed,
Speaker 2: if it was okay last year, what is.
Speaker 1: The big deal now? Now?
Speaker 13: I will agree, Come on, you're being oversimplified and you
Speaker 13: don't know about that. I've been I've been at these
Speaker 13: protests where I mean people, you know, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 13: you one story in particular, a woman come up to
Speaker 13: me crumming, I mean, tears streaming down her face. Had
Speaker 13: never met her, never seen her before or anything else.
Speaker 13: And what it happened was we were actually out in
Speaker 13: front of Thomas Mancy's office on Buttermilk Pike and her
Speaker 13: husband had picked up their child from school, was taking
Speaker 13: their child to an after school activity, and he called
Speaker 13: her at home and said, honey, they're out on Buttermilk Pike.
Speaker 13: And she immediately threw a bunch of stuff in her
Speaker 13: car and drove up to meet us. And you know,
Speaker 13: because I was back and forth between people and everything,
Speaker 13: I had to kind of wait till the end of
Speaker 13: the protest to specifically go up to her. Once I
Speaker 13: you know, she joined us, I was like, are you okay,
Speaker 13: And once she was yes, I'm okay. I'm just this
Speaker 13: is so amazing. And I was doing all my other stuff.
Speaker 13: I wanted to find out what her story was, and
Speaker 13: here come to find out she's a federal worker who
Speaker 13: lost her job, you know, and was so moved that
Speaker 13: people were concerned enough to be out there.
Speaker 1: Did she get the buy out?
Speaker 13: I don't know. I did ask about that. All I
Speaker 13: know is that she said that, you know.
Speaker 3: She lost her job.
Speaker 2: All right, we got you know, as our producer said,
Speaker 2: we were on a timeline here. So coming up, we'll
Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about this and again talk
Speaker 2: more about this issue. My guest is Anne Dickerson, co founder,
Speaker 2: lead organized lead organ Why can't I say that right?
Speaker 2: Lead organized lead organizer for Indivisibal Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin
Speaker 2: Gordon in for Brian Thomas. Fifty five KRS, the talk station,
Speaker 2: fifty five KRC, the talk station. Stay you continue our
Speaker 2: conversation with Anne Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for
Speaker 2: Indivisible Northern Kentucky. Before the break, we talked about federal layoffs.
Speaker 2: You talked about this person that showed up one of
Speaker 2: the protests, and it was about a month and a
Speaker 2: half ago at was it Rand Paul's office?
Speaker 1: I believe it was.
Speaker 2: Okay, and this federal worker came up and was in
Speaker 2: tears that she had lost her job. Now, on a
Speaker 2: weekly basis, there is on Thursday, there is the initial
Speaker 2: job claims report that comes out, the unemployment numbers from
Speaker 2: the Bureau of Labor Statistics and whatever. And they keep
Speaker 2: saying week after week after week that the layoffs in
Speaker 2: the federal government aren't starting to show up in these
Speaker 2: numbers yet. Number One, because in a lot of instances,
Speaker 2: if they do have that eight month severance package, they
Speaker 2: are still technically employed. They're getting a check on a periodic,
Speaker 2: you know, a normal paycheck until the eight months, which
Speaker 2: gives them plenty of time to go out and find
Speaker 2: another bit of employment. I've heard stories about people that
Speaker 2: are up at retirement age and they said, oh man,
Speaker 2: what a gift from Heaven. I was getting ready to
Speaker 2: retire and I get this buyout package. It gives me
Speaker 2: a paycheck for the next eight months, and how great
Speaker 2: is that? So we have that, and so the federal label.
Speaker 13: Have you got to anybody that's actually started receiving it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have or not, but that
Speaker 2: if they have not been receiving it, then I would
Speaker 2: qualify for filing for unemployment, and according to the numbers,
Speaker 2: that isn't showing up yet. Now I know that some
Speaker 2: of the federal workers, I don't know if all of
Speaker 2: them are in some sort of a separate system that
Speaker 2: handles their unemployment. And the numbers from that are that
Speaker 2: on a weekly basis, that's gone. I think one week
Speaker 2: it went up five hundred and thirty four versus another
Speaker 2: week where it was up two hundred. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a question that again, if we didn't have spoon
Speaker 2: fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, but people that would
Speaker 2: actually go out and do investigative news, we would know
Speaker 2: these things instead of you and I having to dig
Speaker 2: up these numbers ourselves.
Speaker 13: Now I agree with you on that as well. I
Speaker 13: love independent media.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we only got about three minutes left here,
Speaker 2: so I want to, you know, make sure that I
Speaker 2: want to say.
Speaker 13: I do want to say too. You know, even though
Speaker 13: we have you know, met in these offices, we have
Speaker 13: protested in front of these offices and other places. I
Speaker 13: do like to give credit where credit is due. And
Speaker 13: I texted the person that connected us after Rantall's speech
Speaker 13: on the floor where he stood up against the tariffs,
Speaker 13: and he stood up against the breakdown of the three
Speaker 13: coequal branches of government, stating also that he did not
Speaker 13: want to live in a place that was governed by
Speaker 13: an emergency rule. And I think this is a very
Speaker 13: scary time for people because of all the chaos, because
Speaker 13: there was no plan. I mean, if I owned, if
Speaker 13: I was going to take over a business, of course,
Speaker 13: of course you would want to, you know, check each department,
Speaker 13: see who you were going to keep, who you weren't
Speaker 13: going to keep, you know, try to find out where
Speaker 13: the areas are that you could save money, where you
Speaker 13: could make things efficient, so on and so forth. But
Speaker 13: you don't take a sledgehammer to it.
Speaker 14: With no plan.
Speaker 13: And then you know, you fire people, you tire them back,
Speaker 13: then you fire people again, you know, and the tariffs
Speaker 13: on again, off again, on again, off again. I don't
Speaker 13: even want to talk to my money manager I because
Speaker 13: it's going to put me in a state of anxiety
Speaker 13: that I may never come out of.
Speaker 1: I mean, I will finish up with this. I'll finish
Speaker 1: up with this.
Speaker 2: And that you can go through corporate corporation after corporation,
Speaker 2: after corporation, you can go through the United Auto Workers.
Speaker 2: You can go through the people that were terminated on
Speaker 2: the Keystone XL pipeline. You can talk to people that
Speaker 2: got shown that well actually offer of a buyout from
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bell when they merged and transferred and whatever. You
Speaker 2: see all these different corporations and there's always that several
Speaker 2: people I know some that were like, you know, eight
Speaker 2: weeks shy of that, fifteen years or whatever. So they're
Speaker 2: fully vested or whatever. And that happens in corporate business
Speaker 2: all the time, and it's not right there. But nobody's
Speaker 2: protesting and whining I don't mean whining, but protesting about
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 13: Do, but you don't want to say that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, again, you know these are kind of
Speaker 2: the terms that you know people will understand and so on.
Speaker 2: But again I rail at you know, the fact that
Speaker 2: you know, you go to some of these and they've
Speaker 2: they've gone through these offices in Washington and even in
Speaker 2: corporate America itself. You go into how many people are
Speaker 2: working from home? And I don't nobody's going to convince
Speaker 2: me that people are. That there are some, but they
Speaker 2: are not everybody that's more productive working at home than
Speaker 2: working in an office and the fact that you go
Speaker 2: into some of these federal buildings and six percent of
Speaker 2: the people are there, but if you discount all the
Speaker 2: maintenance people and everything, you're down to a three percent
Speaker 2: people that are actually working there. I don't think that's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, doctors have to go into the office. Uh,
Speaker 2: nurses have to go into the office, all the you know,
Speaker 2: the police and fire have to go into their office.
Speaker 2: I think the least taxpayers can do and workers can
Speaker 2: do is go into their office and do the job
Speaker 2: that they were hired to do.
Speaker 1: So again, UH, I don't know if.
Speaker 2: We solve the world's issues here, but uh, I would
Speaker 2: certainly like to talk to you a little bit more
Speaker 2: at some.
Speaker 4: Point in time and any time.
Speaker 2: I think if we can eliminate the idea that everybody
Speaker 2: on my side is a Nazi, that the fact that
Speaker 2: we should be, you know, taking and torching Tesla dealerships
Speaker 2: and calling for the assassination of Elon Musk or Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: You gotta admit that's going a lot too far.
Speaker 5: So well, I.
Speaker 13: Do not advocate for violence in any way, shape or
Speaker 13: form when it comes to any of this. The same
Speaker 13: way that I was, you know, the same way that.
Speaker 13: I was shocked when you know, uh people and.
Speaker 14: You know and now you if I have not.
Speaker 13: Heard anything about what you just mentioned as far as
Speaker 13: calling for people to be killed, I would never agree
Speaker 13: with that, no matter who it was or what the
Speaker 13: circumstance was, I don't agree with that in any way,
Speaker 13: shape or form. What we do is protests. Everything we
Speaker 13: do is well planned out. Everybody knows the rules, you know,
Speaker 13: knows the right way to behave in public settings. I'm
Speaker 13: a real stickler for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: That's why we have a first That's why we have.
Speaker 13: As it is agreed and we need to keep it
Speaker 13: instead of you know, now, we've got measures even here hee.
Speaker 13: Just this past session they passed a bill limiting that.
Speaker 13: You know, they're trying to limit protests. They're trying to
Speaker 13: limit people's ability to exercise free speech.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you've never gone to a city council meeting or
Speaker 2: a county commissioner meeting in any of the counties and
Speaker 2: you try to talk about some issues there. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: is now in Campbell County, the People's Republic of Campbell County,
Speaker 2: there is a Kevin Gordon rule where you're only allowed
Speaker 2: to speak for two minutes, so.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2: So anyway, and it's it's been interesting, and we've got
Speaker 2: to talk some more and we're really late for a break,
Speaker 2: and I certainly appreciate your time, and sure we'll be
Speaker 2: in touch. And Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for
Speaker 2: Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas.
Speaker 2: Fifty five krs the talk.
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Speaker 1: Seven fifty two in the morning.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the
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Speaker 8: Kevin.
Speaker 2: Again, let's go to the phones and talk to Jay. Jay,
Speaker 2: how are you this morning?
Speaker 8: Hey?
Speaker 3: Doing good?
Speaker 1: Kevin good.
Speaker 15: I wanted to say that I used to work north
Speaker 15: of d C with the Defense Contractor and I worked
Speaker 15: with some of these federal workers and I'll tell you
Speaker 15: they were they were the type of people that are
Speaker 15: like your hardcore union that if you needed them to stay,
Speaker 15: and we were making an unmanned aircraft system that the
Speaker 15: army needed bad. If it was one minute after eight hours,
Speaker 15: they were gone. And there, I know, and so crying,
Speaker 15: you know, the part that really I held in pretty strong,
Speaker 15: but I broke down and we went and wept when
Speaker 15: she said, I don't even want to talk to my
Speaker 15: money manager. I heard the same thing from so many
Speaker 15: Kentucky coal miners that were let go over the year.
Speaker 7: Well, no, I.
Speaker 3: Guess I didn't. I guess I didn't.
Speaker 15: But they are just entitled, spoiled.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 15: They worked for an employer, the Federal Guard, that doesn't
Speaker 15: need to make.
Speaker 1: A profit exactly.
Speaker 15: Therefore they unionize. And when there's a collective bargaining, you
Speaker 15: think the federal government is going to dig in and
Speaker 15: try to do the best thing for shareholders that's us. Yeah,
Speaker 15: absolutely not. They just get whatever they want. So crime
Speaker 15: a River. Yeah, that there for the first time since
Speaker 15: they've ever been in their existence. I can tell you
Speaker 15: the story from now eight hours a day, no weekends,
Speaker 15: no stress.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can tell you a story. I can
Speaker 1: tell you a story. Jay.
Speaker 2: Back in the late seventies early eighties, you may recall,
Speaker 2: with all of the oil problems and the embargoes and
Speaker 2: so on, the Department of Energy was formed, and they
Speaker 2: had a program where if you were using domestic oil,
Speaker 2: it would be a certain price, and if you were
Speaker 2: using foreign oil, it would be a different price. The
Speaker 2: Department of Energy was sent around to all these different
Speaker 2: oil companies and they were supposed to audit these items
Speaker 2: to make sure that they were recording the numbers properly.
Speaker 2: They had been in business for almost two years, had
Speaker 2: not completed one audit in the office that I was
Speaker 2: assigned to. The company I worked for was an accounting firm.
Speaker 2: We got the Department of Energy audit contract and we're
Speaker 2: sent to these different places to do these energy audits
Speaker 2: for them. Now, in this particular office, there was a secretary,
Speaker 2: a manager, and three or four different employees. Had not
Speaker 2: completed one audit in a two and a half year
Speaker 2: period of time, and we wound up having to do
Speaker 2: it in like a six week period of time. And
Speaker 2: if you'd asked them something can you give me, and
Speaker 2: this one we're talking about before computers, you're talking about
Speaker 2: can you do this spreadsheet for me of this information?
Speaker 2: And you ask them that at two thirty in the afternoon, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, we quit at for and I really don't
Speaker 2: want to get started on that. I'll start on that
Speaker 2: first thing in the morning. What are you going to
Speaker 2: do for the next hour and a half? I mean,
Speaker 2: it was absolutely insane, Jay, working with these Department of
Speaker 2: Energy auditors.
Speaker 1: It was I feel your pain.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're talking about, and anybody that's
Speaker 2: ever had any contact with them knows what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: All right, anyway, Jay, I certainly appreciate it. Coming up,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be uh well, open lines, and so let
Speaker 2: me see who we got, Bobby, Jay, I think coming
Speaker 2: up next. We'll get to you right after the break
Speaker 2: or after the top of the hour. I'm Kevin by
Speaker 2: the way, phone numbers five one, three, seven, four nine fifty,
Speaker 2: five hundred one, eight hundred eight two three talk one
Speaker 2: eight hundred eight two three eight two five five pound,
Speaker 2: five point fifty AT and T wireless phone. Kevin Gordon
Speaker 2: in for Brian Thomas fifty five K see the talk station.
Speaker 2: If you are being safe out there this morning, and
Speaker 2: I hope you spend some time today reflecting on the
Speaker 2: importance of Good Friday, and especially if it's one of
Speaker 2: the most important days or one of the most important
Speaker 2: events in the Christian calendar and of course Catholicism. You
Speaker 2: know there you got the three big ones. You specifically
Speaker 2: have Chris, and then you have a good Friday, and
Speaker 2: then you have Easter, and so I hope you take
Speaker 2: time to do that. By the way, phone numbers five one, three, seven, four,
Speaker 2: nine fifty five, D one, eight hundred, day two three
Speaker 2: talk one eight hundred day two three eight two five
Speaker 2: five pound, five point fifty AT and T wireless phone.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones right now. Let's talk to Bobby.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having Bobby Jay, I think, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for hanging with us through the break.
Speaker 1: Certainly appreciate it. How are you this morning?
Speaker 8: Doing great? My brand, Thank you for carrying that torture
Speaker 8: freedom and shining the dark. The light in the.
Speaker 2: Dark's people like you that give me the encouragement, my friend,
Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 8: Talking about the Parol employees, it's real simple. We'll just
Speaker 8: go out and anywhere in the country they understand.
Speaker 1: What calling the herd is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got to get rid of them, yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 2: you know, in any organization, when you have a bloated bureaucracy,
Speaker 2: it's necessary once in a while to go through and
Speaker 2: and as you said, call the herd. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: on a monthly basis, they come up with these statistics
Speaker 2: as far as jobs created in a particular month, and
Speaker 2: then they have the on Thursday. Every Thursday they have
Speaker 2: the initial jobless report or the job you know, people
Speaker 2: who are filing their initial claims. And it's amazing that
Speaker 2: looking at that over the last year and a half
Speaker 2: or so or longer, every time they come up with
Speaker 2: these jobs reports, it's like, okay, there's you know, twenty
Speaker 2: thousand added in manufacturing, twenty thousand added in the service
Speaker 2: sector or whatever some there weren't. You know, the numbers
Speaker 2: are down, but almost on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: The number one.
Speaker 2: Added jobs in a particular month for the last year
Speaker 2: and a half or so has been government jobs. Now,
Speaker 2: of course that could be city, state, county, federal, whatever,
Speaker 2: but fifty thousand jobs added every month, forty thousand added.
Speaker 2: I mean, all you got to do is, you know
Speaker 2: when they when they say that, you know, you have
Speaker 2: these snow days and it's the emergencies and only the
Speaker 2: non essential employees stay home. Well, there's a good starting
Speaker 2: point right there, I would say. But for the government
Speaker 2: to be hiring a government overall hiring the largest single
Speaker 2: gainer of jobs.
Speaker 1: Now that's not.
Speaker 2: To say these guys don't These people don't go out
Speaker 2: and spend money, but they don't produce anything. They don't
Speaker 2: manufacture anything. All they do is produce misery for us
Speaker 2: in the form of regulations and audits and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So again it's a bloated bureaucracy that needs to be called.
Speaker 1: As you say, well, one other thing.
Speaker 8: Also, their narrative will change here with that, you know,
Speaker 8: after the first one hundred days or after the twentieth
Speaker 8: this month, you know, their narrative always changes in about
Speaker 8: weeks to ten days. But the militarization of the southern border,
Speaker 8: that'll be the next one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's almost like they are in search of something that
Speaker 2: is going to take hold to get them noticed by
Speaker 2: the general public. But up to this point they are
Speaker 2: on the you know, you have issues that are eighty twenty.
Speaker 2: They have chosen to take their flag in the twenty
Speaker 2: percent category and that is just odd to say the least.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Bobby Jay, appreciate my brother. I appreciate the
Speaker 2: phone call. You take care. Well, let's see, well we've
Speaker 2: got somebody coming up here shortly. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: when you look at the number of federal jobs and
Speaker 2: the fact that not a single federal agency can actually
Speaker 2: pass an audit, that is absolutely incredible. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that I think would be very necessary is
Speaker 2: you've heard me talk about this several times. There is
Speaker 2: a bill before Congress. It's been there since two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven. It's passed in the House, it's gone on
Speaker 2: to the Senate, it's died in the Senate, it's never
Speaker 2: made its way to the President. And there's a bill
Speaker 2: called the Reins Act, And what it basically says is
Speaker 2: that any government agency that comes up with a regulation
Speaker 2: that would cost the taxpayers more than one hundred million dollars,
Speaker 2: that has to be voted on by Congress. Now, why
Speaker 2: would Congress, you know, we start hearing all this, you know,
Speaker 2: we've been hearing all this crap about constitutional crisis, that
Speaker 2: there's been a king installed, that we don't have a
Speaker 2: country that's done by a king. We don't have We're
Speaker 2: not a dictatorship, and this stuff shouldn't be done. Well,
Speaker 2: why in the hell has our legislators over the years
Speaker 2: allowed the regulation process that winds up costing us money
Speaker 2: that they're not stepping in and doing their job to
Speaker 2: oversee these departments to make sure that these regulations that
Speaker 2: they're putting in makes sense before they basically in effect
Speaker 2: tax us through regulations. And so there has been so
Speaker 2: much as far as the federal government is concerned, that
Speaker 2: they've pushed this back off to these agencies, whether it
Speaker 2: be the EPA or the FDA and say, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: we don't want to get involved in this. You guys,
Speaker 2: go ahead and regulate that. We'll just give you a
Speaker 2: blank check. That is ridiculous. You see that on the
Speaker 2: county level, you see where in the past, all the
Speaker 2: things that went on in the county, whether it's the roads,
Speaker 2: whether it's libraries, whether it was parks, whether it was
Speaker 2: any of this sort of stuff that was done by
Speaker 2: the individual county and county commissioners. Well, because you have
Speaker 2: the schools that are, you know, constantly needing more and
Speaker 2: more and more money, what you do is you set
Speaker 2: up a school board and put that outside the county
Speaker 2: commissioner's purview, and then it's up to them to handle
Speaker 2: their budget and put the tax amount onto the real
Speaker 2: estate bill. And so if that goes up and people
Speaker 2: complain about it. Then the county commissioners can say, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, that's the school board, we got nothing to
Speaker 2: do with that. Well what about the library, Oh no,
Speaker 2: that's library commission.
Speaker 1: They do that.
Speaker 2: And it's just all this passing the buck instead of
Speaker 2: stepping up and saying what's the best for taxpayers. And
Speaker 2: when you go into some of these governmental agencies and
Speaker 2: you start looking at some of the stuff that is
Speaker 2: being done. You know, Thomas Massey was judge executive and
Speaker 2: I've got a bone to pick with him, and I
Speaker 2: might get to that by the end of the show,
Speaker 2: but I've been trying to hold off on it. But anyway,
Speaker 2: he started out as judge executive in Lewis County and
Speaker 2: when he was elected, he started going through the budget
Speaker 2: and saying, well, what's this number, what's this number, what's
Speaker 2: this number?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: You know we're paying for this, what is this? In
Speaker 2: the first year, I believe in the first year of
Speaker 2: him being judge executive down Lewis County, he saved as
Speaker 2: much money and cut they were getting billed for traff
Speaker 2: or a street lamp, or electricity for a building that
Speaker 2: they had sold four or five years before that, and
Speaker 2: they were just you know, every month, paying the bill,
Speaker 2: paying the bill, paying the bill, you know, and he
Speaker 2: wound up saving in the first year of him being
Speaker 2: at Lewis County his salary. And you know, there's where
Speaker 2: you get somebody that comes in and rolls up the
Speaker 2: sleeves and looks at what's going on as far as
Speaker 2: the budgets are concerned. That's where you find these numbers.
Speaker 2: And if we had people in all levels of government
Speaker 2: that cared about those kinds of things, you would have
Speaker 2: this eliminated.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I have said in the past and from my workings
Speaker 2: with my individual city, my county, my state, I would
Speaker 2: say that there isn't a city out there that can't
Speaker 2: go through their budget and find probably about ten percent waste, fraud,
Speaker 2: and abuse. And it may be just waste, it may
Speaker 2: just be ineffective contracts that they've signed with people.
Speaker 1: Ten percent.
Speaker 2: You can go to the county level and that number
Speaker 2: probably goes up to fifteen, maybe twenty percent. By the
Speaker 2: time you get to the government of the state government
Speaker 2: that can be as high as forty And I wouldn't
Speaker 2: doubt that in our federal government there is probably close
Speaker 2: to a fifty percent amount that could be cut out
Speaker 2: of the budget and nobody would miss it. You've seen
Speaker 2: all the stories about Doze, some of the money that
Speaker 2: we've been spending money on, and you know, it is
Speaker 2: incredible how they can come up with these experiments, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna run this, We're gonna figure out
Speaker 2: how to what the effect of is transitioning rats.
Speaker 1: I mean that stuff is nuts.
Speaker 2: You know Sesame Street and you know you heard about
Speaker 2: this stuff all the time, you know, Sesame Street funding,
Speaker 2: Sesame Street over in Iraq. I mean all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and I wonder, you know, why are we paying so
Speaker 2: much in terms of foreign aid to all these countries.
Speaker 2: And then when you start when I start hearing all
Speaker 2: this crap about the tariffs, and they say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, tariffs have their place because when you're a
Speaker 2: developing country, you need to have these tariffs so that
Speaker 2: you can prevent you know, goods coming in, you know,
Speaker 2: so that you can build up your country and build
Speaker 2: up your manufacturing to the point where you can now
Speaker 2: have a good economy. Why is China still considered a
Speaker 2: developing country? Yes, they are still wto considered when they
Speaker 2: joined wto World Trade Organization back in the early two thousands,
Speaker 2: two thousand and during the what was it Clinton past,
Speaker 2: I put that through. Okay, so they are a developing country, folks.
Speaker 2: They have a nuke, they have one of the largest
Speaker 2: standing armies. They're building their navy like crazy. They're not
Speaker 2: a developing country. And another side note, why in the
Speaker 2: hell are they spending or doing the manufacturing. We saw
Speaker 2: that during COVID the pandemic, when you saw the amount
Speaker 2: of medicines that they're building that they're manufa over there,
Speaker 2: the PPE, the personal protection equipment, and all the goods
Speaker 2: that we were buying or that we were getting from
Speaker 2: China through their slave labor, their slave labor camps.
Speaker 1: And you know, you go back to the Cold War.
Speaker 2: We didn't have factories, we didn't offshore our manufacturing to
Speaker 2: the USSR, we didn't offshore our stuff to the communist countries. No,
Speaker 2: they were enemies of ours in the Cold War, and
Speaker 2: yet now we've got probably one of the biggest security
Speaker 2: threats China. They're not they're not a friend of ours.
Speaker 2: They're an adversary. And when you look at the technology
Speaker 2: that they steal and so on, why are they still
Speaker 2: considered a developing country. Unbelievable, and I kind of questioned
Speaker 2: any of our so called business leaders that thought, hey,
Speaker 2: this is a great idea. We'll offshore this manufacturing to
Speaker 2: this country that hates us, but hey, we can shave
Speaker 2: some money off this product and make more money.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: hundred day two three talk one eight hundred eight two
Speaker 2: three eight two five five pound five point fifty on
Speaker 2: that AT and T wireless phone. I kind of almost
Speaker 2: hesitate to bring this up, but I'm gonna do it
Speaker 2: anyway because it was on channel Channel Twelves News and
Speaker 2: it's on their website. Instead of holding a traditional Good Friday,
Speaker 2: a local church of Good Friday services a local church
Speaker 2: is giving out free gas cards. Serve Pastor Serve Church
Speaker 2: pastor Victor Philip told Local twelve that he has an
Speaker 2: opportunity for him to make his ministry out, take his
Speaker 2: ministry outside the walls of his church in Northside. I
Speaker 2: think quote from him, I think there's a lot that
Speaker 2: our nation has experienced. There's a lot to complain about,
Speaker 2: a lot of uncertainty. I think one thing that need
Speaker 2: to see is that someone is thinking about their neighbor
Speaker 2: and that's what this is all about. Free gas giveaway
Speaker 2: is Friday at six pm at the BP Gas station
Speaker 2: located at two forty nine West Mitchell Avenue. Now, I
Speaker 2: will say that if you are going to show up
Speaker 2: for that, maybe do thank him for doing that and
Speaker 2: maybe consider a donation, possibly to the church, or maybe
Speaker 2: at least a pat on the back to the guy
Speaker 2: for doing this. I think this is one of those
Speaker 2: things where you know, it's an opportunity for him to
Speaker 2: reach out to other people and to show that, as
Speaker 2: he mentioned, people that care. But again it would be
Speaker 2: best if we return the favor to him as well.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's my two cents worth on that. Now
Speaker 2: you know we don't have time to get into this,
Speaker 2: but all this nonsense about tariffs and what we're seeing
Speaker 2: as far as the economy and whatever, now I am convinced.
Speaker 2: I'm more and more convinced when I look at retail
Speaker 2: sales up, when I look at the job market is strong, steady,
Speaker 2: when I look at unemployment rate is down, when I
Speaker 2: look at housing starts. The only thing that I have
Speaker 2: seen recently that has been a downturn is manufacturing in
Speaker 2: terms of their index is concerned and they're put through
Speaker 2: and so on. But everything else in this economy is
Speaker 2: doing rather well. And as a matter of fact, I'm
Speaker 2: seeing stuff on reports as far as the retail sales
Speaker 2: numbers actually blew us away because it was unexpected unexpectedly high.
Speaker 2: What I'm seeing in the spoon fed regurgitators in the
Speaker 2: mainstream media, in my opinion, is what they are trying
Speaker 2: to do is manufacture a recession. The recession numbers aren't there,
Speaker 2: and let's not forget over the previous four years. They
Speaker 2: would bite their tongue off before they even admitted anything
Speaker 2: or even said the R word. We had two back
Speaker 2: to back quarters in twenty twenty two, where the first
Speaker 2: quarter in the second quarter were negative economic growth by all,
Speaker 2: the definition of a recession has always been two or
Speaker 2: more or at least two quarters of negative economic growth.
Speaker 2: We had that in twenty twenty two, but we had
Speaker 2: them telling us at the time that, no, you've got
Speaker 2: to look at employment. You got to look at the
Speaker 2: stock market, you got to look at this, you got
Speaker 2: to look at this, you got to look at all
Speaker 2: these things in terms of wages, you got to look
Speaker 2: at hours, productivity, all this stuff. And then after a
Speaker 2: couple of months, you look at that and then make
Speaker 2: the determination that, oh, maybe we went into a recession
Speaker 2: a month or two ago. Well, no, you go back
Speaker 2: to the definition of back to back quarters. We have
Speaker 2: not even gotten to the first end, the end of
Speaker 2: the first quarter of the Trump administration. That doesn't happen
Speaker 2: until the end. We won't see those numbers. We're into
Speaker 2: the second quarter. I realized that March was the first quarter,
Speaker 2: but we don't see the numbers from that from the
Speaker 2: Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Commerce Department. We don't
Speaker 2: see the GDP numbers until the end of this month
Speaker 2: and the end of this month and the first part
Speaker 2: of next month. And so when we look at these
Speaker 2: numbers and we then have an idea whether or not
Speaker 2: there was negative growth or not. I've seen numbers all
Speaker 2: over the place. In the beginning of the year, they
Speaker 2: were talking about a three point one percent GDP, then
Speaker 2: they brought it down to two point five. Now they're
Speaker 2: talking about a possibility of negative growth, and then I'm
Speaker 2: seeing other numbers, So it's all over the board. We
Speaker 2: won't know those things, and then even if there is
Speaker 2: negative growth in the first quarter, we won't know whether
Speaker 2: or not we're truly in a recession until the second quarter.
Speaker 2: And all this stuff in terms of I'm seeing numbers
Speaker 2: as far as the the it was a home builders association.
Speaker 2: They were talking about seeing rising prices because of tariffs. Well,
Speaker 2: the tariffs didn't go into effect until April to second
Speaker 2: and the numbers that were collected for these statistics going
Speaker 2: into the home builders Association was through March. So looking
Speaker 2: at a calendar, if I'm not mistaken, April comes after March.
Speaker 2: So if something goes into effect in April, that sure
Speaker 2: as hell isn't going to affect anything in March. So
Speaker 2: what I'm guessing is that there's some people getting ahead
Speaker 2: of this and saying, oh, we think prices are going
Speaker 2: to go up, and take advantage of that and raising
Speaker 2: their prices in anticipation, which I think is wrong because
Speaker 2: either you're paying a higher price for that or you're not,
Speaker 2: and when you're trying to pass that along to the consumer,
Speaker 2: that's not fair anyway. Coming up the bottom of the hour,
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking to Lindy Zimbroch, she is
Speaker 2: the executive director of care Net and talk about their
Speaker 2: great services and their banquet on May the eighth, and
Speaker 2: I hope that you attend that. I think they still
Speaker 2: have some openings. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,
Speaker 2: fifty five KRC, the Talk Station.
Speaker 12: This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 2: Eight thirty two in the morning. Kevin Gordon in for
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the Talk Station. I want
Speaker 2: to welcome to the program Lindy Zimbroch. She is the
Speaker 2: executive director of car Net Northern Kentucky and I had
Speaker 2: an opportunity this past Monday to tour their cold Spring
Speaker 2: facility and what a great organization. I'm glad that I've
Speaker 2: found you over the years from a mutual friend of ours,
Speaker 2: and I truly believe this is an organization is doing
Speaker 2: great work in the area for anybody that is finding
Speaker 2: in a what they refer to as a pregnancy or
Speaker 2: well anyway, let me you explain better than I do
Speaker 2: about your organization.
Speaker 11: Well, we're a christ centered organization that meets people where
Speaker 11: they are when they're facing pregnancy. We offer support before, during,
Speaker 11: and after that unplanned pregnancy, and during that time we
Speaker 11: uplift the sanctity of human life. Then we have three
Speaker 11: centers in northern Kentucky. We offer a pregnancy test, an ultrasound,
Speaker 11: and then we provide any of the services that they
Speaker 11: would need beyond that, such as parenting education classes, great
Speaker 11: relationships classes, looking at adoption, or even helping them to plan,
Speaker 11: you know, for the new for the new baby they
Speaker 11: bring into into this world.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, and that is call it crisis
Speaker 2: pregnancy centers.
Speaker 1: But this is when somebody is pregnant and.
Speaker 2: They are in I guess a panic situation for lack
Speaker 2: of a better term, there are the options for them.
Speaker 2: There are too many people that want to push the
Speaker 2: one particular option, and that is abortion. But they don't
Speaker 2: realize that how many people out their care as you
Speaker 2: just described all the services that you provide and how
Speaker 2: many things that you can do not only through the pregnancy,
Speaker 2: but after the pregnancy and follow up and making sure
Speaker 2: even to the extent of adoption and so on. And
Speaker 2: the fact that some of these organizations, like Planned Parenthood,
Speaker 2: they take people in the most vulnerable period of time
Speaker 2: and just give them one option and try to force
Speaker 2: something down their throat where years later or months later,
Speaker 2: weeks later, they may say, what the hell did I do?
Speaker 2: That was the worst decision I ever made. And to
Speaker 2: take somebody who's vulnerable and prey upon that vulnerability, I think,
Speaker 2: well is criminal.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, yes, it is.
Speaker 11: And the fact that they don't help and helping them
Speaker 11: pick the pieces up or provide healing for that situation.
Speaker 11: They just deny that there would be any emotional turmoil
Speaker 11: after choosing to end the life of your own child.
Speaker 11: We do provide a post abortion healing and we work
Speaker 11: with women who have you know, undergone and experienced abortion
Speaker 11: and we help provide healing to them. And we're very
Speaker 11: compassionate because we know many of these women often find
Speaker 11: themselves they've had an abortion, now they wish to carry
Speaker 11: a pregnancy, and when they begin to look at the
Speaker 11: fetal development during their pregnancy, then they're hit, you know,
Speaker 11: right in the face with the fact that they've ended
Speaker 11: the life of their child because they did not they
Speaker 11: weren't provided that information. The word they are to offer
Speaker 11: them all of the information about their options. And what
Speaker 11: we see is when we provide that information to them,
Speaker 11: they will choose life ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, and we need to take a quick break here,
Speaker 2: but I just do want to mention this is the
Speaker 2: fact that you know when somebody you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know how somebody wouldn't have a situation that
Speaker 2: if they end a pregnancy, that they know when the
Speaker 2: possible due date was, or at least approximately when they
Speaker 2: see newborns, when they see a one year old, a
Speaker 2: two year old, a three year old, four year old
Speaker 2: after their abortion, How that can't affect them at some
Speaker 2: point in time, whether it's immediate or whether it's down
Speaker 2: the road. There's got to be some mental problems with that,
Speaker 2: or some guilt or whatever. And the one thing I
Speaker 2: would stress more than anything else that anybody that has
Speaker 2: had an abortion, if you are thinking in terms of this.
Speaker 2: If you are being stressed by this, if you are
Speaker 2: feeling depressed about this, speak to somebody, Go out find
Speaker 2: the compassion. And people like karenet to speak to because
Speaker 2: they are not going to judge, they are there to help.
Speaker 2: And of course my guest is Lindy Zimbroch. She is
Speaker 2: the executive director here in Northern Kentucky. We'll pick this
Speaker 2: up on the other side of the break. I'm Kevin
Speaker 2: Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the talk station,
Speaker 2: eight forty.
Speaker 1: One in the morning.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the
Speaker 2: talk station, speaking.
Speaker 1: With her on the phone.
Speaker 2: And my guess, Lindy Zimbroch is zembro She is executive
Speaker 2: director of Northern Kentucky and Caronet. And again during the
Speaker 2: facility there on Monday, was a big pleasure learning about
Speaker 2: all the services that you provide. And thanks for hanging
Speaker 2: with us. Certainly appreciate it.
Speaker 11: Thank you, Kevin.
Speaker 2: You've got a banquet coming up on May the eighth.
Speaker 2: There's still some availability or open spots possible.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we have a few spots. We're down to the
Speaker 11: last minute planning. But if we have cancelations. We're able
Speaker 11: to work people in. So someone's interested in attending the banquet,
Speaker 11: they just contact us online at carnetnky dot org and
Speaker 11: they can submit, you know, a request. We have a
Speaker 11: waiting list right now, but we have over eight hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 11: we have over eight hundred guests that attend. It is
Speaker 11: to sit down dinner. It is a fundraiser and we
Speaker 11: will be hearing from one of our clients that evening
Speaker 11: that's experienced care Net who is now an employee at
Speaker 11: care net and works with us.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 11: We're so glad to have her. She's bilingual and she's
Speaker 11: able to help us with German, also Spanish. But we're
Speaker 11: going to feature her because you know, she's she's a
Speaker 11: single mom and she's experienced it on both ends and
Speaker 11: now she's there to help other people. But we do
Speaker 11: have some spots and this, like I said, this is
Speaker 11: a fundraiser and if you can't get in, go to
Speaker 11: carenet nky dot org and help us with some of
Speaker 11: the things on our wish list. All of our programs
Speaker 11: are incentivized, so after someone makes a decision to carry
Speaker 11: a pregnancy and they weren't expecting of course to carry
Speaker 11: a pregnancy. There's a lot of work that needs to
Speaker 11: be done to help them be ready to welcome a
Speaker 11: child into their home, everything from teaching them about their pregnancy.
Speaker 11: For fathers, we also have a fatherhood program, but we
Speaker 11: want to walk alongside of them. They're assigned a mentor.
Speaker 11: It's a mentoring program and they earn items as they
Speaker 11: go through the program. They'll earn diapers, they are a
Speaker 11: safety item, which is a car seat in a baby bed.
Speaker 11: So you know, these programs can be costly, and what's
Speaker 11: really great is the community of people step up because
Speaker 11: they want to see people succeed and overcome and be
Speaker 11: able to provide for their children. And what we do
Speaker 11: is try to help establish a family unit that's very
Speaker 11: stable and then from there, you know, we help the
Speaker 11: workforce too, so you know, it's just a win win
Speaker 11: for everyone. We don't want to see people continue to
Speaker 11: be poverty stricken, so we're there to cheer lead them
Speaker 11: for higher education, for trade school and just you know,
Speaker 11: job placement. But we also we want to be there
Speaker 11: to provide the nurturing and the bonding that they need
Speaker 11: to learn how to initiate to their children.
Speaker 2: Absolutely now one of the things you mentioned when I
Speaker 2: was there on Monday that you mentioned that you have
Speaker 2: people that are fluent in Spanish, and you said that
Speaker 2: there is a need in your organization for people that
Speaker 2: speak French that could possibly volunteer some time a volunteer.
Speaker 11: We actually have one paid position open to Okay, yeah,
Speaker 11: for our French speaking we need some help with some translation.
Speaker 11: And also you know, it's just a great way to
Speaker 11: help the populations that we see within a.
Speaker 2: Certainly certainly a call out to anybody that you know
Speaker 2: has some time and that could possibly either volunteer or
Speaker 2: looking for a paid position to do some of this translation,
Speaker 2: because we certainly want to get that position filled. But
Speaker 2: if anybody is interested in donating or at least learning
Speaker 2: about the organization and learning about what you do, the
Speaker 2: website would be again.
Speaker 11: Care net nky dot org.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I would encourage anybody that at any stage,
Speaker 2: if you have, if you have kids, learn about this organization.
Speaker 2: Let your kids be familiar with this organization, because you
Speaker 2: never know when you might need this organization, and it
Speaker 2: certainly beats the alternative. And when you talk about I mean,
Speaker 2: I just heard a comment the other day when they're
Speaker 2: talking about this immigration and people being deported and so on.
Speaker 2: Somebody made the comment that, well, just think somebody that
Speaker 2: was deported that may be the person that becomes the
Speaker 2: scientist that cures cancer or that has this. Oh really, well,
Speaker 2: what about the number of children that have been boarded
Speaker 2: since nineteen seventy three? How about how many of those
Speaker 2: were scientists and possibly could have been productive. How many
Speaker 2: of them would have been productive members of society. So
Speaker 2: I don't want you know, it's just ah, all this
Speaker 2: stuff and I just it just infuriates me.
Speaker 11: Well, we know that through our ultrasound program, we know
Speaker 11: that we've been able to rescue over two thousand and
Speaker 11: seventy six children from the hands of abortion, and we
Speaker 11: know that the parents that had those children were invited
Speaker 11: and equipped to be the best parents possible or to
Speaker 11: make an adoption plan.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think one of the biggest and the
Speaker 2: best tools that you have is somebody coming in there
Speaker 2: and doing the ultrasound, because when you look at the
Speaker 2: at the graphic, when you see the ultrasound and realize
Speaker 2: that as early as seven weeks there is a heartbeat,
Speaker 2: well that.
Speaker 11: We can actually see that at six weeks, in five
Speaker 11: days thereabouts. Yeah, so we can bring those women in
Speaker 11: early for that ultrasound and providing that type of service
Speaker 11: also connects them into that early ob care so that
Speaker 11: they're actually getting you know, getting the care that they
Speaker 11: need health wise, so that they're getting their crenadal vitamins early.
Speaker 11: Will start them out with our prenadal vitamins. Fantastic to
Speaker 11: really help them with that pregnancy.
Speaker 1: Lendy, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I hope well, I know, I'll see you at the
Speaker 2: banquet on the eighth May eighth, it's a Thursday, and
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing you and seeing all the great
Speaker 2: projects and the other people that are there and the
Speaker 2: other services that are available. It's a wealth of knowledge
Speaker 2: and I think it's well worth everybody's attention to attend
Speaker 2: and to get more information about your organization.
Speaker 1: So thank you for.
Speaker 11: Kevin, have a blessed, have a blessed good Friday.
Speaker 2: You do the same, our guest, Lindy's umbrote executive director
Speaker 2: Karen net Northern Kentucky phone numbers five, one, three, seven four,
Speaker 2: and I will probably try to squeeze in a few
Speaker 2: phone calls before the top of the hour. I'm Kevin
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Speaker 2: In the morning, Kevin Bardon in for Brian Thomas, fifty
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Speaker 1: We have had a busy day today.
Speaker 2: Talked about a little bit about Tax Day, tax Freedom Day,
Speaker 2: the cost that takes the American public to time, energy,
Speaker 2: and money file their tax returns. Tax Freedom Day, which
Speaker 2: was April to sixteenth, talked about the post office and
Speaker 2: some of the inefficiencies there. We also talked to Dave
Speaker 2: Hatter about tech on our Tech Friday, or as I
Speaker 2: like to call it, Scare the hell out of your Friday,
Speaker 2: which is probably is very necessary because a lot of
Speaker 2: great information from him always. We spoke with Ann Dickerson,
Speaker 2: co founder and lead organizer of the Cincinnati chapter of Indivisible,
Speaker 2: talking about all their protests, all things Trump that they've
Speaker 2: been protesting throughout the country.
Speaker 1: And then Lindy Zumbrot.
Speaker 2: We just finished having a conversation with her, executive director
Speaker 2: of Carinet Pregnancy Centers of Northern Kentucky and talking about
Speaker 2: their banquet and all the great services that they provide. Now,
Speaker 2: as far as today being Good Friday, to you know,
Speaker 2: take a moment and talk a little bit about that
Speaker 2: and make sure that you know today when you you know,
Speaker 2: when you hear when you have certain holidays, it's all
Speaker 2: especially good Friday. Where we have like a Memorial Day
Speaker 2: or something like that, it's not a celebration, it's a commemoration.
Speaker 2: It's an honoring the fact. You know, Good Friday also
Speaker 2: known as Holy Friday, Great Friday, Great and Holy Friday,
Speaker 2: Friday of the Passion. It's a solemn Christian Holy day
Speaker 2: commemorating the crucifixion of Jesus and his death at Calvary
Speaker 2: or as they called it, Golgatha, and is observed in
Speaker 2: the Holy Week as part of the Pascal Tritium. Now
Speaker 2: imagine and if you think of nothing else but look
Speaker 2: back at the Barbary of the Romans at the time
Speaker 2: of crucifixion, of how being nailed to a cross and
Speaker 2: the horrific death that that would be. And take a
Speaker 2: moment today between new and three o'clock and just kind
Speaker 2: of commemorate that idea, whether you're Christian or not, but
Speaker 2: just think about the day itself and what it means,
Speaker 2: and possibly spend some time, possibly in prayer, attending some services,
Speaker 2: or at least acknowledging the fact in your mind of
Speaker 2: what this day is all about, and of course the
Speaker 2: Easter season itself. Folks, that does it for us. Stay
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