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<v Speaker 1>Five minutes after five o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Friday morning to you, And of course, Good Friday

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<v Speaker 2>in the Catholic calendar and especially the Christian calendar, is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most important days of Christianity. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>there are some that think that Christmas is the most

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<v Speaker 2>important day. There are others that concentrate on the Crucifixion

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<v Speaker 2>on Good Friday, and then there are others that say

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<v Speaker 2>that Easter is.

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<v Speaker 1>The big day.

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<v Speaker 2>And they all have their place in Catholicism and Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever. So we'll get into that later on towards

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the show. But side note before we

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<v Speaker 2>go on. You know, when you do the weather, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>first thing I do in the morning when I well,

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<v Speaker 2>not the first thing when I come in here, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>ask right before we go on, here, what temperature do

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<v Speaker 2>you have? And of course I go to my I

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<v Speaker 2>phone and I look at my weather where I live

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<v Speaker 2>down in Wilder, Kentucky, and this morning, right now, it

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<v Speaker 2>says it's sixty one degrees and here at the station

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<v Speaker 2>it says it's fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kidding my.

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<v Speaker 2>Producer that, hey, because I guess I live further south.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the weather's always warmer down there, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking a three degree swing in temperature, which got me

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<v Speaker 2>to thinking, and of course this is off subject to

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<v Speaker 2>what I was going to talk about initially this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>is that where do they get the official weather for

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<v Speaker 2>the day? Is it at the airport, is at someplace

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<v Speaker 2>around the area. And when you hear these people talking

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<v Speaker 2>about global warming, climate change and so on, and temperature

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<v Speaker 2>changes comparison from one year to the other, where are

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<v Speaker 2>they getting those We have had the stories in the

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<v Speaker 2>past that when you look back fifty sixty, seventy eighty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, where they had the thermometer out in the

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<v Speaker 2>field somewhere, and that's where they were getting all their

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<v Speaker 2>readings as far as temperatures are concerned. Now tho, those

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<v Speaker 2>thermometers in some places are in the middle of some

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<v Speaker 2>asphalt jungle or in some parking lot somewhere. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're out in the green fields, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>are out in the area, you know that the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a lot cooler there than it

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be above the asphalt on a given day.

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<v Speaker 2>And so some of the discrepancies that we've been seeing

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the numbers have been going into the

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<v Speaker 2>formula are part of that. I used to live along

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<v Speaker 2>the river in Campbell County, Kentucky, and if you are

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with the area, it's right across the river from

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<v Speaker 2>Coney Island now up on the hill, which is where

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<v Speaker 2>Route twenty seven is, that is up there up above

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<v Speaker 2>the river, and it is amazing. When I would come

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<v Speaker 2>home at night, and especially in the summer, I usually

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<v Speaker 2>don't I hardly ever use my air conditioning, so I

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<v Speaker 2>always have the window open. And as you started coming

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<v Speaker 2>down the hill down to Route eight at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>you could tell a particular temperature drop just from basically

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<v Speaker 2>the mile up on Arount twenty seven down to the river,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a significant anywhere from a five to

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<v Speaker 2>seven degree drop. So again I talk about or I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the fact that you can have these varying temperatures.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wonder where they get their information and wonder

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<v Speaker 2>where they draw their numbers and if that is affecting

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<v Speaker 2>what people are talking about in terms of climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, if you went to my Facebook page, you

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<v Speaker 2>always know that when I'm in I will put something

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook as to who my guests are. And today

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<v Speaker 2>is no different between now and six twenty five, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be doing news and views, and I'm maybe an

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<v Speaker 2>opinion or two, because as you know, I have an opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not afraid to use it. Coming up at six

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<v Speaker 2>point thirty, we're gonna be talking with Dave Hatter, cybersecurity expert,

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<v Speaker 2>joins me for tech Friday. I always love having well,

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<v Speaker 2>I love and hate having Dave Hatter on the air,

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<v Speaker 2>simply because I don't call it, well, they call it

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<v Speaker 2>tech Friday, but I call it Scare the hell out

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<v Speaker 2>of your Friday because he always has this stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to give us some timely information and technology

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<v Speaker 2>tips and so on, just to keep you safe. At

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<v Speaker 2>seven o'clock, folks, I'm going out on a limb today.

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<v Speaker 2>I have as my guest Ann Dickerson. She is co

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<v Speaker 2>founder and lead organizer of the Cincinnati chapter of Indivisible,

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<v Speaker 2>will discuss their opposition to all things Trump. And I

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<v Speaker 2>go on their website and it's like, well, you hear

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<v Speaker 2>about them there been. They are the groups that are

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<v Speaker 2>going around the country and they are organizing these rallies,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hands Off rallies and the anti Nazi rallies and

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<v Speaker 2>all this sort of stuff. All over the country, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I was told by well, I'll just mention it

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<v Speaker 2>ran Paul's field guy. I don't know if I want

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<v Speaker 2>to mention his name, but he told me that she

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<v Speaker 2>is a very fairly reasonable person, somebody you can talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just kind of getting I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>get an idea of what the hell is their opposition,

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell is their beef. It all boils down,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion a lot of times just Trump derangement

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<v Speaker 2>syndrome gone on steroids. Then, of course between seven thirty

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<v Speaker 2>and about eight twenty five thereabouts, more news and views,

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<v Speaker 2>and then at eight thirty five we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>talking with Lindy Zembrot. She is the executive director of

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<v Speaker 2>Carinet Pregnancy Centers of Northern Kentucky. And you may recall

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<v Speaker 2>that I've talked about her from time to time, had

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<v Speaker 2>her on now. They have their annual banquet on May

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<v Speaker 2>the eighth, and Carenet is an organization for crisis pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>They are there if somebody finds, you know, winds up pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>that it is a resource that you can go to

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<v Speaker 2>to get help, to get information, to find out what

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<v Speaker 2>services are available to you. And the whole direction there

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<v Speaker 2>is in order to allow women to know that they

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<v Speaker 2>have options so that they, in other words, don't go

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<v Speaker 2>and have an abortion. So that's a great organization. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually I was the MC of their banquet last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Liz Bonus this year is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the MC. So I guess we're going to be competing

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth year after year as to who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be filling in there. But anyway, got all that

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<v Speaker 2>going on, and of course a lot of stuff to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about here, and so we'll get into it and

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<v Speaker 2>see what we have. One of the things I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about. Oh, by the way, let's not forget

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<v Speaker 2>and this is one of the things I just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>love is the fact that let me see what do

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<v Speaker 2>we have going on this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday?

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday was tax Day, or as Hunter Biden says, Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>in April.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was tax Day.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got to tell you from the standpoint of

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<v Speaker 2>being a recovering accountant. And I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people tired of hearing that. But you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people tune in for the first time and they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that tax Day and the tax season I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a lot of tax returns in my time

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<v Speaker 2>and in the accounting firms that I work for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them. Oh, you had small and medium sized businesses,

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<v Speaker 2>but then you also had the individuals that you would do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got to tell you, there is just something

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<v Speaker 2>about tax day itself that just I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>It infuriates me. It bothers me to no end. I

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<v Speaker 2>used to have clients that would have a part time

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<v Speaker 2>call it now, but it was a side job at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, trying to earn extra money for their family.

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<v Speaker 2>And generally, when somebody starts a business like that, they

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<v Speaker 2>forget about the fact that every tax dollar they earn

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<v Speaker 2>is at the highest rate of whatever their wages are

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<v Speaker 2>or their combined income if their spouse works, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they forget that they're at that higher tax rate from

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<v Speaker 2>that dollar forward. Plus, you have the problem of self

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<v Speaker 2>employment tax. You know, on your payroll, you get the FICA,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the Social Security and the Medicare and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>The employer pays the other half. If you're self employed,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of you out there are, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know this, you pay both ends of that. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when you figure that out the self employment tax. And

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<v Speaker 2>when these people get to the end of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like they find themselves sometimes, well I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>in the late seventies early eighties, finding themselves owing about

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<v Speaker 2>two to three thousand dollars and it was just mind

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<v Speaker 2>boggling to them that they could owe that amount of money.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know, and I'd see how these people would live.

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<v Speaker 2>I know their background, I know what they do for

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<v Speaker 2>a living, I know the area of town that they

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<v Speaker 2>live in. And it's not like they're you know, got

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<v Speaker 2>these you know, boats and campers and all this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. They're just trying to make a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of extra money to put their kids through school, spend

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<v Speaker 2>time with their kids and so on. And the way

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<v Speaker 2>they just absolutely get hammered. And every time I hear

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<v Speaker 2>these comments about, you know, the rich need to pay more,

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<v Speaker 2>the rich you need to pay this, and so on,

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<v Speaker 2>the statistics just don't bear that out. And coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be talking about some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that just and and again when you dig into this,

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<v Speaker 2>how much it absolutely infuriates me what we have to

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<v Speaker 2>do in order to pay our taxes. Phone numbers five, one, three, seven, four,

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<v Speaker 2>nine fifty five hundred one, eight hundred eighty two three

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<v Speaker 2>five pound five point fifty AT and T wireless phone. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>coming up, We've got Dick. If you'll hang on the phone,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be with you. And of course you got that

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<v Speaker 2>AT and T wireless phone. I'm Kevin Gordon in for

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the talk station.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifty five KRC dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you have a massive irsy Donald J.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump?

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<v Speaker 4>And I approved this message.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course he does. Donald, you're up this time of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. Give me a call. We'll get you on

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<v Speaker 2>the air right away. But right now, let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>the phones. Talk to Dick, Dick from Dayton. Dick, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you?

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<v Speaker 1>My friend?

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<v Speaker 6>Hikevin? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I am fine? How you been well? U?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if you've heard from Dave from day Niece,

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<v Speaker 6>a friend of Jerry Jeff's and he had a special

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<v Speaker 6>surprise when I talked to Jerry Jeff's Saturday. And I

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<v Speaker 6>never know, but I want to say I want to

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<v Speaker 6>come back there. I heart radio on Montgomery Road is

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<v Speaker 6>a beautiful building and I got to meet, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>Willie and everybody, and uh oh, and I got to

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<v Speaker 6>play here. It's a beautiful place and I thank everybody

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<v Speaker 6>for Dave taking me. But it was nice, you know

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<v Speaker 6>what I mean? Nice?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I think I got a

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<v Speaker 2>message from I think it was Dave from Dayton Wall.

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<v Speaker 2>I was down at the Mid American Trucking Show. He

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<v Speaker 2>stopped by or sent me an email or something that

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was down there and said, howdy, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it is, it really is. And you know, to

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<v Speaker 6>late this year and I realized I had to go

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<v Speaker 6>uh that morning for that day, I had to get

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<v Speaker 6>I brought it back the next day. And I'm telling you, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 6>it was two hours I waited. Well, I mean it

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<v Speaker 6>they go through a review. Now I don't know about

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<v Speaker 6>you know, they check everything out, but that it was

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<v Speaker 6>interesting though, you know, I guess it must be new

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It is just mind boggling.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I've got statistics on the number of hours

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just mind boggling in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>baseball games, football games, everything else. Ye, all this sort

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to spend money to do your tax return.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I think I heard one

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<v Speaker 2>time somebody says, hey, I'm a PhD, I'm a mathematician,

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<v Speaker 2>and I need help on my taxes. And it's it

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be that hard. It should be fairly straightforward. They

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking about reforming it. They're going to do this

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<v Speaker 2>that and the other thing to adjust it. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>it is the unaffected class that are that are ruling things,

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<v Speaker 2>and we the affected class, have to pay the price

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<v Speaker 2>of that. So it's just it's just nuts and it

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<v Speaker 2>is infuriating. And even as an account and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people will say to me, well, Kevin, you know you

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<v Speaker 1>What will we do that way?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking, well, you got all these brilliant tax attorneys,

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<v Speaker 2>you got these brilliant tax accountants, and they are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out through the legal system how many loopholes

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<v Speaker 2>you can have, and they come up with that. Imagine

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<v Speaker 2>unleashing those people and that talent to try to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how companies can make even more money and be

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<v Speaker 2>more profitable. How much better would that be for our

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<v Speaker 2>economy rather than trying to figure out how to go

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<v Speaker 2>through this loophole or do this in order to save

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<v Speaker 2>on taxes. If it was straight up, then you could

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<v Speaker 2>release all these people and you'd still have need for

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<v Speaker 2>the irs, not as many people as we found out.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, I think it should be simplified, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's infair. I actually, I really seriously, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I get upset every time I talk about it.

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<v Speaker 6>But anyway, Oh yeah, N make you sometime.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds good to me, my friend, okay, you too,

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<v Speaker 1>take care. Take care.

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<v Speaker 2>Dick from Dayton or already always enjoy talking to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He always puts a smile on my faith. Talking about statistics.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Individual tax return filing is the most consuming element.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the tax system.

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<v Speaker 2>But the average taxpayer spending thirteen hours to comply with

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<v Speaker 2>Form ten forty thirteen hours?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that thirteen hours at your normal pay rate? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that deductible?

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<v Speaker 1>Hell no?

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<v Speaker 2>For individuals with business income, the average amount of time

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<v Speaker 2>it takes to file taxes is even higher, at twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours. This estimate is a time spent doing the taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>are based on surveys of individuals taxpayers. Compliance burdens includes

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<v Speaker 2>various activities that eat up time, not just the filing

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<v Speaker 2>of the two hundred and seventy million tax returns, but

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<v Speaker 2>also record keeping, tax planning, gathering tax materials, and learning

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<v Speaker 2>about the goal of the law. Overall, it reportedly takes you,

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<v Speaker 2>ready for this twelve billion hours annually to comply with

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<v Speaker 2>federal government paperwork. Two thirds of that time is spent

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<v Speaker 2>on tax related paperwork, twelve billion hours. Imagine how much

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<v Speaker 2>more productive America could be and our taxpayers could be

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<v Speaker 2>if they had that twelve billion hours back, or the

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<v Speaker 2>time spent with family and to enjoy this country and

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<v Speaker 2>to enjoy your family. Now they keep talking about streamlining

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<v Speaker 2>the process and getting this done, but it's never ever

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<v Speaker 2>been done, and it's by and by time, and by God,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to do it. I've always said that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that you ought to Well, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what I'm going to tease this for the next

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<v Speaker 2>session about what I think, in terms of one election

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<v Speaker 2>people you want to get people fired up about taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have an answer for that. Phone numbers five one three, seven,

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<v Speaker 2>in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KR See the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Five twenty nine in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty five kr C,

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<v Speaker 2>the talk station. You know, I mentioned about the the

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<v Speaker 2>tax code, and I've been talking a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>that and and the thing that is is in well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd mentioned that I have an idea for an election day.

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<v Speaker 2>I think election day should be moved. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it should be in November. I think election day should

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<v Speaker 2>be April to sixteenth every year because after you pay

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<v Speaker 2>your taxes on April fifteenth, that is when you're paying

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<v Speaker 2>attention the most to what's going on, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>period of time when you're probably the most infuriated that

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<v Speaker 2>you're not getting your bang from your buck from your state, city, county,

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<v Speaker 2>or federal government. Also, I think one of the ways

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<v Speaker 2>that get people fired up is we ought to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to a cash payroll system. Imagine you have to

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<v Speaker 2>some of you people that work from home. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the office and you at one table

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<v Speaker 2>you get your cash, your gross pay, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>has the federal income tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you move down and pay.

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<v Speaker 2>Your Social Security tax, and then you go down to

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<v Speaker 2>to another table and pay your city taxes. See, most

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<v Speaker 2>people only look at their net income. They look at

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<v Speaker 2>their net pay and say, well, this is how much

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<v Speaker 2>it is a stamp. And then you talk about I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned sales tax and all the other taxes that we

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<v Speaker 2>pay during the year, and then throw on top of

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<v Speaker 2>actually more like a tax. You know, even the average

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of forty percent

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty percent of their pay is done in taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you start adding it up, sometimes look at

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<v Speaker 2>out to dinner without getting a sales tax. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>go to the vet, or at least in Kentucky, you

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<v Speaker 1>Now is it is appalling?

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<v Speaker 2>And then throw on top of that the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you also have to pay how much you pay in

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<v Speaker 2>state and city or state and federal taxes on every

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<v Speaker 2>gallon of gasoline that you buy. Look at that number sometime,

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<v Speaker 2>I think in Kentucky, the number for the state is

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven cents. The federal government's share is eighteen cents.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you're up to forty five cents of every

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<v Speaker 2>gallon of gas that you pump is in the way

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<v Speaker 2>of taxes. Okay, so when you start throwing all that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in there, it is astounding. One time, I was

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<v Speaker 2>on the air several years ago, and I probably still

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<v Speaker 2>have it at home, and I printed out a list

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<v Speaker 2>of every tax that we pay, and at every break,

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<v Speaker 2>every time we came back from a break, I read

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<v Speaker 2>probably about four or five of them, five six, seven

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<v Speaker 2>of them. I did not read the entire list by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the show. That is how crazy the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of taxes and the different ways that they come

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<v Speaker 2>at us and reach into our pockets and take our money.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one of those things, like I said this

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, that really infuriates me knowing how hard people work,

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about whether or not you're not so silent partner,

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<v Speaker 2>how much of your hard earned money they get and

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing. When you start hearing these people talk

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of this particular deduction, listen to what

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<v Speaker 2>they're actually saying.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not saying that it's your money.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually believe, and don't doubt me on this, that

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<v Speaker 2>there are people in the government that believe every penny

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<v Speaker 2>you earn is theirs. We look at it in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of our net pay. Is the amount of money that

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<v Speaker 2>we have after we've paid all of our taxes. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as some of these liberals are concerned, the money

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<v Speaker 2>that you have is the money that they let you

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<v Speaker 2>keep after they've confiscated as much. And they still want

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<v Speaker 2>to confiscate more. And if you look at the rhetoric,

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<v Speaker 2>if you talk, if you listen terms of how they

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<v Speaker 2>want to eliminate this deduction or they want to move

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<v Speaker 2>this around, or they want to do this height is

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<v Speaker 2>it is astounding of much how much they believe that

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<v Speaker 2>everything you earn goes to them. And oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>wait till we start talking about tax freedom day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty five eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>Five thirty nine in the morning, Kevin Gordon in.

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<v Speaker 2>For Brian how must fifty five kr See the talk

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<v Speaker 2>we go. Let's speak with William. William fifty five kr.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fine. How about you?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh just fine?

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<v Speaker 9>I don't sound like a downer or anything early in

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<v Speaker 9>the morning. But I went through you know, a bolt land,

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<v Speaker 9>put me a house on it, paid it all. But

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<v Speaker 9>I'll tell you the worst sin in the world is

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<v Speaker 9>property taxes because you really don't own it. Because what

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<v Speaker 9>happens you don't pay property taxes, you're just really a

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<v Speaker 9>janitor for the state. I mean, I've been through it,

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<v Speaker 9>and I don't think if when your house is paid off,

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<v Speaker 9>you should not pay property taxes on your own land that.

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<v Speaker 4>You already own or you don't own it.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, William, they will tell you, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is beautiful because they'll tell you that, well,

438
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<v Speaker 2>you use county services, you use the county roads, you

439
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<v Speaker 2>use this, you use that, and it's a way of

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<v Speaker 2>funding these projects. And of course a lot of that money,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in Camell Country, at least in northern Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 2>bulk of that money goes to the school districts. And

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<v Speaker 2>even though you may not have, yeah, that's all built

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<v Speaker 2>into your tax.

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<v Speaker 9>And so that's a bugaboo, all this money going to

446
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<v Speaker 9>these uh public schools, man, and these kids can't even

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<v Speaker 9>read and write.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you, as you say, if you don't pay

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<v Speaker 2>your property taxes in a couple of years, they'll come

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<v Speaker 2>and confiscate your house. If you can't come up with

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<v Speaker 2>the money, they'll kick you out.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it's and and.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically whatever the price of there's no I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>property tax that they're probably as old if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>pay them for a couple of years, is probably less

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<v Speaker 2>than ten percent or less than ten percent of what

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<v Speaker 2>your property is worth. And if they can come in

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<v Speaker 2>and take that for a song, they'll do it in

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<v Speaker 2>a heartbeat and I think that's totally unfair. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at least as a minimum, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how old you are, but if you are sixty

463
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<v Speaker 2>five years, what sixty two, well in three years, make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you take advantage of that homestead exemption. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are not aware of that, but most states

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<v Speaker 2>will allow somebody sixty five years or older take a

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<v Speaker 2>homestead exemption which reduces the taxable value of your property.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't affect the property value, it's just the taxable value,

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<v Speaker 2>and you get a break that way. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>at some point in time, maybe age seventy five or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, property taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Should dissolve, should go away.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think that after you know, by the time

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<v Speaker 2>you turn seventy five, you've paid enough taxes, it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for you to rust and relax. So there should be

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<v Speaker 2>at least some sort of a sunset clause on your

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<v Speaker 2>property taxes.

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<v Speaker 9>I found it cheaper. I found it cheaper do my

479
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<v Speaker 9>experience and what I went through. I owned my place

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<v Speaker 9>down in time with seventeen years, nine months, in two weeks,

481
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<v Speaker 9>and they come and took it and paid all six acres,

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<v Speaker 9>beautiful place, brand new house.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a junk.

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<v Speaker 9>Yard and I find now, man, what I've went through,

485
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<v Speaker 9>and it's just cheaper to rent. Yeah, I fouled a

486
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<v Speaker 9>cheaper just to rent a lot have the same space.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people feel that way. But you know,

488
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<v Speaker 2>you know that the key is is to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you know you're paying your taxes timely, and that

490
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<v Speaker 2>comes same problem sometime. But yeah, I agree with you

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<v Speaker 2>there is there needs to be something done with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know these county administrators and so on, they

493
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<v Speaker 2>need to really take a look at some of this

494
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<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe on the city, state, county level, maybe

495
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<v Speaker 2>we start start doing some dozing there in terms of waste,

496
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<v Speaker 2>fraud and abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 9>I agree with you. You take care and have a

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<v Speaker 9>great Thank you, taking care of God bless.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you two, let's try to squeeze in Linda

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<v Speaker 2>here real quick. Linda fifty five krs. Thanks for calling

502
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<v Speaker 2>this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh, I'm good. How are you? Gordon?

505
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<v Speaker 1>I am doing just fine.

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<v Speaker 10>Two things. One on checking on how our county and

507
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<v Speaker 10>our cities and our states are spending our money. Absolutely,

508
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<v Speaker 10>we should have somebody like a doge check all of that.

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<v Speaker 10>Number two, the fifteenth Amendment of our Constitution says it's

510
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<v Speaker 10>citizens who vote. I want to know, how does California

511
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<v Speaker 10>get away with having so many illegals vote? And let's

512
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<v Speaker 10>start a movement. If they're not going to follow the law,

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<v Speaker 10>we don't count their electoral.

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<v Speaker 2>Votes exactly, exactly. Well, now, Linda, don't you realize that

515
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<v Speaker 2>they allow them just to participate in city and county

516
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<v Speaker 2>and state elections, they don't let them participate in the

517
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<v Speaker 2>federal you know.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh, I didn't know that. I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, my tongue was was deeply planted into

521
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>my cheek just then, so I gotcha. Yeah, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh, it's just one more way. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know voter ID laws. You know, you don't have

524
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<v Speaker 2>to show up and show an ID in order to vote.

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<v Speaker 2>That is insanity at the most. And this whole idea

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<v Speaker 2>of expanding having elections drag on for.

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<v Speaker 1>Three Do you realize that there what was the what state?

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<v Speaker 11>Was?

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<v Speaker 1>It?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it Wisconsin that they finally just now decided what

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<v Speaker 2>the final vote count? And a supreme was it a

532
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<v Speaker 2>supreme court some sort of election in the state of

533
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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin from back in November.

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<v Speaker 1>That is insanity.

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<v Speaker 2>And what California took what four weeks, five weeks, six

536
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<v Speaker 2>weeks to count all their votes? Election day should be

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<v Speaker 2>on election day, and maybe you could have early voting,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, no earlier than maybe Wednesday or Thursday

539
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<v Speaker 2>of the before that Tuesday. Having this open for months on,

540
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, a month or two, and the saying that, oh, well,

541
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<v Speaker 2>people have a difficult time getting to the polls and

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<v Speaker 2>all this sort of stuff. Why guarantee you that if

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<v Speaker 2>the county were to or somebody were to stand there

544
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<v Speaker 2>with one hundred dollar bill, not from a candidate, but

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred dollars bill, I guarantee you people would show

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<v Speaker 2>up the vote.

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<v Speaker 10>And so are you kidding just a five dollar bill

548
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<v Speaker 10>with well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true to anyway day you do the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same, Linda, Thank you so much for calling you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great point five one three seven four nine

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five hundred one, eight hundred eighty two three talk

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<v Speaker 2>one eight hundred eight two three eight two five five pound,

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<v Speaker 2>five point fifty AT and T wireless phone. Kevin Gordon

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<v Speaker 2>in for Ryan Thomas, fifty five KRC the talk station.

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<v Speaker 12>This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you have a massive IRS problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Five fifty one in the morning, Kevin Gordon in for

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas, fifty five KR. See the talk station phone

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<v Speaker 2>number is five one three seven four nine fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred one eight hundred eight two three talk one eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred eight two three eight two five five pound five

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<v Speaker 2>point fifty on that AT and T wireless phone to

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<v Speaker 2>the phones we go Mississippi James. How are you this morning,

565
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<v Speaker 2>my friend?

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<v Speaker 3>Doing all right, mister Gordy, and thank you for filling

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<v Speaker 3>the inn for Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's my pleasure, my pleasure entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>On what we're gonna call this fun Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. That'll work for me. That'll work.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you know. Speaking of the school district, and I

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<v Speaker 3>did a deep dive down in my hometown on Meridian,

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<v Speaker 3>Mississippi and thirty three population of thirty three thousand, so

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<v Speaker 3>I can pretty much wrap my arm around it all right.

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<v Speaker 3>And up until the late nineties, Meridian was a federal

576
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<v Speaker 3>Blue ribbon school district. Then you had a couple of

577
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<v Speaker 3>things come in there, kicking off of when they went

578
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<v Speaker 3>to some of the private prisons, and the private prison

579
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<v Speaker 3>they as we know, it's for profit. So you got

580
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<v Speaker 3>to have a head in the bed, a head in

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<v Speaker 3>the bed as they call it. And it almost as

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<v Speaker 3>though they began to target quit teaching the kids because

583
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<v Speaker 3>they changed so many formats, and they began to target

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<v Speaker 3>the kids. You brought in zero tolerance, I mean, and

585
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<v Speaker 3>the kids were sent to the juvenile center for many

586
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<v Speaker 3>of your stuff because the school didn't mitigate anything. They

587
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 3>was actually calling the city police. Police would come out

588
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<v Speaker 3>and put handcuffs on ten twelve fourteen year old kids,

589
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 3>take them to the juvenile center. So you setting them

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<v Speaker 3>up by the time they get sixteen. Oh you've been

591
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<v Speaker 3>in here two three times. Yeah, you know, they give them,

592
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 3>give them hard time exactly. So then you look at

593
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<v Speaker 3>minor offenses, right, and then I talked to some of

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<v Speaker 3>their kids in the streets.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that was old wit that probably lasted fifteen years.

597
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:43.319
<v Speaker 3>The Department of Justice came in there and made some

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<v Speaker 3>sanction and told them what they had to do. Because

599
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<v Speaker 3>all the records got locked down, the Department of Justice

600
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<v Speaker 3>couldn't get any They used the hippo low to lock

601
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<v Speaker 3>the records down. So the Department of Justice they did

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<v Speaker 3>with their overreaching hand. They made some mandates that actually

603
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<v Speaker 3>empowered the kids, and they thought they was untouchable. Then,

604
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<v Speaker 3>so that pendlum swung back and forth so fast, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it came in where we talk about being gay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I was talking to some of the

607
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<v Speaker 3>kids and they say, well, they didn't want to go

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<v Speaker 3>to school because they thought they would either go to

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<v Speaker 3>jail or they will be turned gate. And you have

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00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 3>to listen at their reason. Now, we adults, we passed

611
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<v Speaker 3>that stage, but they are vulnerable kids and stuff that

612
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<v Speaker 3>in their life. And when I did my deep dive

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<v Speaker 3>into what do that mean? I understood what they were saying.

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<v Speaker 3>So we put these kids in a peerless position, you know,

615
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 3>it's just destroyed them. And then we're from there, not

616
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 3>being able to read school and all this stuff. You poverty,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you just throw them into a.

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<v Speaker 1>Sub culture underclaimed exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And then next thing they know, like spontaneous combustion, keep

620
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 3>packing down, packing down, it explodes in whatever way. So

621
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<v Speaker 3>now you see the guns and the drugs and we

622
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<v Speaker 3>don't know where we're going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy, and this is something that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be looked at. I think the injustice system, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you hear that from time to time, and a lot

626
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<v Speaker 2>of people will go, oh, well, you know, you don't

627
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<v Speaker 2>get into the system unless you know you've done something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, not necessarily. And once you're in that system,

629
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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like it's geared to keep you in that system.

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<v Speaker 2>I know some people that try to hire people that

631
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<v Speaker 2>are in the system, and it is so difficult for

632
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<v Speaker 2>them to try to hold a job with all their

633
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<v Speaker 2>all the times that they have to go to court

634
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<v Speaker 2>and everything on something after they serve their sentence, And

635
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<v Speaker 2>it's the whole thing needs to be revamped and the

636
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<v Speaker 2>whole idea of these schools that needs to be looked

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<v Speaker 2>at as well. Mississippi gim I'm up against the clock here.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate the phone call, and uh, I'd look

639
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<v Speaker 2>forward to talking to you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great day and have a great weekend coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>We've got more fun and frivolity. I'm Kevin Gordon in

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<v Speaker 2>for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the talk station

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes after six on this good Friday. Hope you

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<v Speaker 2>uh have some time today to spend a moment or

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<v Speaker 2>two thinking about what the significance of this day is,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course this being Holy week, to spend some

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<v Speaker 2>time uh thinking about that and the whole you know,

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<v Speaker 2>get back in touch with your religious roots and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course to my Jewish friends out there, it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those times where Passover corresponds.

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<v Speaker 1>With the Easter season. It's usually a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the same time or so, but this is the

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<v Speaker 2>Holy season or the Holy season for the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 2>as well with Passover, and of course brings to mind

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<v Speaker 2>this nut job that what was at last Saturday that

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<v Speaker 2>tried to torch and burn down the governor's mansion there

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<v Speaker 2>in Pennsylvania. And of course, you know, not as much

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<v Speaker 2>has been made of that as probably should be made.

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<v Speaker 2>The last hour, I started talking about taxes, and I

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<v Speaker 2>started talking about how infuriated I get as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of in terms of tax day and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>how many, how many hours we spend on an annual

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<v Speaker 2>basis as an individual, for businesses and everybody in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. And you know, the numbers are just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>astounding when you really dig into them. And those are

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you know, when you when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the actual tax burden. It's not just necessarily the

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<v Speaker 2>actual act of paying the taxes itself. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>talk in terms of the amount of time I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>how many hours what was it seven point nine billion

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<v Speaker 2>hours filing tax returns. If you add that all up

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<v Speaker 2>at it and just using forty four dollars and fifty cents,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of the average hourly rate if you

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<v Speaker 2>average it out through the entire system, four hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen billion dollars is spent as far as the man

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<v Speaker 2>hours just gathering the documents and whatnot. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>have the out of pocket expenditures to where people have

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<v Speaker 2>to file their tax returns and actually have them pay

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<v Speaker 2>for that. That's another one hundred and thirty three billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>You throw that into the mix. In terms of being

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<v Speaker 2>able to have that money in your pocket, the number

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<v Speaker 2>of hours away from your family complying with federal taxes

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<v Speaker 2>and so on, it's absolutely astounding. And let's not forget

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that we experienced this week also

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<v Speaker 2>was on Wednesday was Tax Freedom Day, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if many people talk talked about that.

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<v Speaker 7>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I would rather see that our elections be held on

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<v Speaker 2>April the sixteenth every year, or when the calendar or

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<v Speaker 2>when the elections are happening simply because that's when people

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<v Speaker 2>are the most fired up and the people that are

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<v Speaker 2>most paying attention. But Tax Freedom Day to give you

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<v Speaker 2>a little idea that Tax Freedom Day was conceived in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen forties to help people understand how much of

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<v Speaker 2>their money all levels of American government taken taxes by

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<v Speaker 2>asking a simple question. If the average worker sent their

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<v Speaker 2>entire paycheck every penny you earn, every penny that is

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<v Speaker 2>in your tax, if you sent that to the government

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<v Speaker 2>starting on January first, how many days would a person

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<v Speaker 2>have to work before they got to keep any of

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<v Speaker 2>their own money. How mind you spending taking every penny

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<v Speaker 2>you earn and sending it off to the government. Any

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<v Speaker 2>guests out there, any guests April tenth, That means that

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<v Speaker 2>you have worked the entire month of January, February, March,

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<v Speaker 2>and almost half of more than half of April before

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<v Speaker 2>you pay your federal and your tax obligation for the year.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've sent every penny you earn, that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that is just absolutely appalling. And when we start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about living in a free society, if you're burdened by

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<v Speaker 2>more than a quarter of your year, you are working

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<v Speaker 2>for the government, Well, think of it in those terms.

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<v Speaker 2>A quarter of the year you are an indentured service

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<v Speaker 2>to the government in order to pay your taxes. Think

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<v Speaker 2>about that from that aspect, unbelievable. And then when I

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<v Speaker 2>started hearing this stuff about the rich don't pay enough,

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<v Speaker 2>that to me is just that is one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things that you know, every you know, they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it from time to time, people bring it up, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems to go in one year and out

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<v Speaker 2>the other. But just kind of put this in perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at all the money that the federal

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<v Speaker 2>government takes in in the way of taxes taxpayers reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>nearly fourteen point eight trillion, and adjust the gross income

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<v Speaker 2>the total amount of taxes that were paid during the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me see, total taxes paid fell by fifty seven

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<v Speaker 2>to two point one trillion dollars in the year of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty Now, a lot of these numbers it takes them

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years to come up with them, But

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<v Speaker 2>something in the neighborhood of two point one trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>that is paid in taxes. Who pays that The top

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of earners in this country pay forty point

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<v Speaker 2>four percent of that two point one billion dollars trillion dollars. Rather,

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<v Speaker 2>if you add in the other four percent, so you

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<v Speaker 2>have the top five percent, The top five percent account

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<v Speaker 2>for sixty one percent of all taxes paid. The top

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<v Speaker 2>ten percent. When you start expanding that out, they are

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for adding up, you know, the top ten percent,

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<v Speaker 2>which includes the top one, top five and so on,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two percent of the taxes. And by the time

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<v Speaker 2>you get to the twenty five percent, twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the populations pay eighty seven point two percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the taxes, and the bottom fifty percent pay only three percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they say the rich don't pay enough, that

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<v Speaker 2>we need to take more money from the rich, that

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<v Speaker 2>they need to pay their fair share, folks, they're paying

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<v Speaker 2>their full share. And what I thought was very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>the other day, I was watching a show I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was on Fox News, and of course they were

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<v Speaker 2>always big on doing this man on the street, and

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<v Speaker 2>I forget where they were, I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 2>were in New York or whatever, but they were talking

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<v Speaker 2>to people and they were going up to them and

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<v Speaker 2>asking them, do you think the rich pay too much

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<v Speaker 2>or don't pay enough in taxes? And it was amazing

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<v Speaker 2>how many people from all walks of life and a

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<v Speaker 2>diverse community.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, hell, no, I hope to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Rich one day and I don't want to have to

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<v Speaker 2>pay any more than when I have to. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>that was astounding because we are told by the spoon

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<v Speaker 2>fed regurgitators in the mainstream media that there are so

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<v Speaker 2>many people out there that are envious to the rich,

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<v Speaker 2>that they despise the rich, that they think that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't pay enough, that they don't pay their way, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not there. And you know, when I start

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<v Speaker 2>hearing and maybe I should explain when I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>say that for a reason. I'm just not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be flip. But when you go overseas in England and

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<v Speaker 2>in European Union, they don't call them news anchors. They

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<v Speaker 2>call them news presenters. And when you see our local

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<v Speaker 2>news people when they're talking, how many times you know

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be go back to the days. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>aging myself here, But when you go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>days of when Nick Clooney did the news, or you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about even Outshadowcottie, it was usually just a headshot

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<v Speaker 2>from almost about mid chest up. Now, if you notice

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<v Speaker 2>that all of these cameras are backed up enough so

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually see the quote anchors at the desk,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you watch their hands, it is actually something

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<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood of where they extend their arms out

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<v Speaker 2>when they're giving a story, when they're talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>particular story, because they are presenting that to you, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're not doing the hard digging into the individual story itself.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I've often wondered if you

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<v Speaker 2>stood outside out on the street, and when they came

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<v Speaker 2>out to go to their car, if you ask them

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<v Speaker 2>what were the top ten stories that you did tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how many of them could actually mention them,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're so used to seeing that teleprompter that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure that they even know what stories are covering.

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<v Speaker 2>All they're doing is presenting the news. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>you take into consideration of what we've seen over the

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<v Speaker 2>last several years in terms of the lies that we've

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<v Speaker 2>heard as far as Russia Russia, Russia, COVID with the

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<v Speaker 2>origins of COVID, where that came from the fact of

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<v Speaker 2>some of the stories that were suppressed there the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the number of polling and the pulling information that

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<v Speaker 2>we got last year in terms of who was ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>who was that election was not anywhere close to what

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<v Speaker 2>they said it was. And the number of lies that

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<v Speaker 2>we've had from our reporters over the years, the Hunter laptop,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole scenario there, the spying on the Trump campaign

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<v Speaker 2>in the first in twenty sixteen, all of these lies

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<v Speaker 2>from the media, I'm surprised that they actually still have

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<v Speaker 2>any credibility at all. And then when you couple that

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<v Speaker 2>with the fact that all they are are basically a

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<v Speaker 2>propaganda arm of the DNC, and they're basically handed the

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<v Speaker 2>talking points from the DNC and then they regurgitate that

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<v Speaker 2>to us. That's why I call them the spoonful. They're

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<v Speaker 2>fed the information from the propagandas and then they regurgitated

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<v Speaker 2>to us and we're supposed to buy it hook line

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<v Speaker 2>and sinker. So when you talk to these spoon hear

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<v Speaker 2>these spoon fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, it always

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<v Speaker 2>necessary to kind of step back and think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are they really giving me the straight scoop on this?

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe I should do a little bit more digging

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<v Speaker 2>phone numbers five one three seven four nine fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred one eight hundred two three talk one eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>eight two three eight two five five pound, five point

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<v Speaker 2>fifty AT and T wireless phone. Kevin Gordon in for

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas, fifty five KR See the talk station, fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five KRC.

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<v Speaker 12>You don't think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Six twenty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the

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<v Speaker 2>talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned. Bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have Dave Hatter And of course, as

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<v Speaker 2>I refer it's supposed to be considered a cyber let

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<v Speaker 2>me see tech Friday, but I kind of change the

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<v Speaker 2>name to that to scare the hell out of your

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<v Speaker 2>Friday because of so the information. He has great information,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm telling you what it is concerning sometimes some

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<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that he comes up with. So looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to talking to him. He's a good guy. I've

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<v Speaker 2>known him more. I even know him even before talking

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<v Speaker 2>to him on the radio. I've bumped in him a

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<v Speaker 2>few times along the way, as far as in the

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<v Speaker 2>circles I go in, as far as politics in northern Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, looking forward to talking to him. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that was shocking to me this week.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe I should have known this or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they have this post office. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>they've been in the news a lot and talking about

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<v Speaker 2>privatizing that and some of the reforms that need to

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<v Speaker 2>be done with that. And I actually had to go

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<v Speaker 2>buy a stamp the other day. You know, we do

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<v Speaker 2>so much online anymore, it's kind of almost antiquated as

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<v Speaker 2>somebody spend spending time to you know, nobody writes a

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<v Speaker 2>letter anymore. Most people pay their bills online. Very few people,

853
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, send a check in, and so you know,

854
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>we've kind of gotten away from that.

855
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.320
<v Speaker 1>And I know that on you know.

856
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Birthday cards and Christmas cards and stuff like that, we

857
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:16.639
<v Speaker 2>do send postage out. But we bought these forever stamps,

858
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 2>and we bought we must have bought. I don't We're

859
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>still working through the inventory of forever stamps that we bought,

860
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>I think probably four or five years ago, so I'm

861
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 2>not really sure, you know. Anyway, but the other day

862
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I needed a stamp, and so I went to the

863
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 2>post office to have something mail, and my god, I

864
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 2>was absolutely shocked. Seventy three cents for a stamp seventy

865
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:49.039
<v Speaker 2>three cents. You go back to what was it January

866
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 2>back in the twenty nineteen that was fifty five cents

867
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a stamp back then. You mean to tell me that

868
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 2>it has gone up fifty percent in just a couple

869
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 2>of years, that is insanity. And on a side note,

870
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I've lived where I've lived now for about eighteen years.

871
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Actually we're going into our nineteenth year. And when we

872
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>first moved in, there was a mailman that came by,

873
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 2>and for some reason, it seemed that my schedule was

874
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>such that it seemed that whenever he would come up,

875
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 2>he would I would be there and or I'd run

876
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>into him from time to time and we'd get to talking,

877
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 2>and I started, you know, talking more more, and he

878
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.320
<v Speaker 2>realized or he recognized the fact that I had fill

879
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:37.639
<v Speaker 2>in from time to time here at Kris and on WLW,

880
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.800
<v Speaker 2>and so he was kind of shocked to meet me

881
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing. So anyway, we got to

882
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 2>talking and everything about different things, and he started telling

883
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 2>me about some of the things in the post office

884
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the amount of layers of supervision that's there.

885
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.679
<v Speaker 2>And like most just like our schools, you go to

886
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 2>some of these schools, there are more. There are almost

887
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 2>as many administrators as there are teachers. You go to

888
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.719
<v Speaker 2>colleges and universities, between the DEI office and this office

889
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>and that office, there are more administrators in these colleges

890
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and universities then there are actually faculty members. And the

891
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.719
<v Speaker 2>reason for that is that when you have student loans

892
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and that is being paid for, and people are taking

893
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 2>out these loans and that money is available, well, of

894
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 2>course they're going to expand their curriculum. They're going to

895
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.599
<v Speaker 2>not curriculum, but expand their footprint in terms of the

896
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 2>number of people that they hire and nothing. And it's

897
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:35.760
<v Speaker 2>so true in other businesses. You'll see from time to

898
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.880
<v Speaker 2>time where a lot of companies will when good times,

899
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.760
<v Speaker 2>they'll hire people, and when times go bad, then they

900
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:44.159
<v Speaker 2>start going through and saying, you know, we've got an awful.

901
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Lot of dead weight here.

902
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 2>We got to figure out some way of maybe reducing,

903
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:51.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe freezing hiring or giving buyout packages to people that

904
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.719
<v Speaker 2>are that are about to retire, and see if we

905
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 2>can minimize that to a certain extent. And so you

906
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 2>see this in corporations, but you never see that in

907
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 2>federal government. You never see that. Well, until recently with

908
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 2>doze and everything. But you don't see that in the

909
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.119
<v Speaker 2>post office. And they're one of the most inefficient. I mean, well,

910
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, they do pretty let me say they do

911
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 2>a good job of getting the mail there. Those are

912
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the mail carriers and the sorders and so on. But

913
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 2>these supervisors, this guy used to tell me that there

914
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 2>were actually supervisors. You know, it's not like we live

915
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 2>in a high crime area. We live in a condo

916
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:29.440
<v Speaker 2>complex which is kind of not private. It's not gated

917
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 2>or anything, but there's hardly any traffic on the street.

918
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>And if he got out of his truck and didn't

919
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 2>turn the engine off and walk the twenty steps up

920
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and put the mail in the box, and he just

921
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.920
<v Speaker 2>let the car keep running, there were actually supervisors that

922
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:49.280
<v Speaker 2>would follow behind and then nail them and put them

923
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>on suspension for not turning off the engine and taking

924
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 2>the keys out of the cognition when they go the

925
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.159
<v Speaker 2>amount of time, you know, he would talk about, Hey,

926
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't spend time talking, he says, I'm running behind it.

927
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I've been talking to a couple of people and I've

928
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 2>got some you know, they time us now on how

929
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.800
<v Speaker 2>we do our routes and so on, and this is nuts.

930
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:09.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean when you take.

931
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Into consideration that these post office, these postal employees, they

932
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.519
<v Speaker 2>are the face of the post office. And if you

933
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 2>have a good feeling about your carrier, which are very

934
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>important to you and very friendly, then you have a

935
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.440
<v Speaker 2>better idea or a better feeling of the post office.

936
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 2>But you take that away that you don't have as

937
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>great a connection with the postal service. And it is

938
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 2>something that needs to be dozed. It needs to be

939
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:38.800
<v Speaker 2>looked at, it needs to be reformed, and if it

940
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.400
<v Speaker 2>requires it being privatized, it needs to be privatized. Coming

941
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.199
<v Speaker 2>up bottom of the air, we're gonna be talking to

942
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Dave Hatter, looking forward to that. I'm Kevin Gordon in

943
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 2>for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC DE.

944
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.320
<v Speaker 12>Talk station fifty five KRC.

945
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Six thirty in the.

946
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Morning, Kevin Gordon and for Brian Thomas fifty five KR see.

947
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 1>The talk station.

948
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.840
<v Speaker 2>And as always we've got Tech Friday with my good

949
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 2>friend Dave Hatter, or as I like to call it,

950
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 2>scare that hell out of here Friday.

951
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Dave, how are you this morning?

952
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:17.639
<v Speaker 7>I'm good, I'm good. Kevin.

953
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:19.519
<v Speaker 1>How are you not bad at all? Not bad?

954
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:19.719
<v Speaker 8>At all.

955
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.360
<v Speaker 1>It's been a while since we've talked, which is a shame.

956
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 1>That's not right.

957
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 7>So I hate that I'm always scaring people, but always

958
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.239
<v Speaker 7>good to Charlie and hopefully Kevin. We're doing some good

959
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 7>out there.

960
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Of course, it's always necessary to let people know what's

961
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 2>going on, because I mean, there are so many people

962
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.320
<v Speaker 2>that are just how you hear these things from time

963
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 2>to time, and it's just frightening as to all the

964
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:48.760
<v Speaker 2>scams and stuff that are there.

965
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 7>Well, and you know, this is what I do for

966
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 7>a living in my day job, and you know a

967
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 7>big part of what we try to do with Interust

968
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.320
<v Speaker 7>is help you defend against these things and then be

969
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.719
<v Speaker 7>resilient so if you get hit as a business with

970
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 7>one of these, you can recover quickly with minimal impact.

971
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 7>But unfortunately, unfortunately these scams are running rampant. These folks

972
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Speaker 7>are very smart. I mean I can easily spend this

973
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.840
<v Speaker 7>whole half hours just telling you real world stories that

974
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.199
<v Speaker 7>things I personally have seen our companies experience, and in

975
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 7>some cases they're devastating. Some companies do not recover from

976
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 7>these things.

977
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.599
<v Speaker 2>I want to stop you for a second third, Dave Hatter,

978
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 2>because you kind of minimize something there. You talk about

979
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:29.519
<v Speaker 2>your day job and this sort of thing. What I

980
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 2>know about you is that you know, there are people,

981
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 2>they're probably about four or five people that I know

982
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:40.239
<v Speaker 2>of that I've passed or that've met through business contacts

983
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 2>and whatever, that really have a passion for what it

984
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 2>is they do. They are a student of what they do.

985
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 2>They tend to I mean, I mean, I've talked to

986
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.400
<v Speaker 2>you on a number of on a number of different issues.

987
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 2>It's not like you're just you know, just as you know,

988
00:52:56.800 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 2>blinders on single focus, but you are at actually a

989
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:03.760
<v Speaker 2>student of this. You enjoy it, you like it. There's

990
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Speaker 2>a certain amount I can tell you know when we

991
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>talk about you have a passion for this, and that

992
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 2>is rare. So it's not just a job to you,

993
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a passion and it's something that you totally are

994
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 2>doing a service to people, and you enjoy what you

995
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 2>do so well.

996
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.599
<v Speaker 7>That is a very kind compliment, and I appreciate that.

997
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 7>But you know, I'm pretty nerdy Kevin, so I do.

998
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 7>I enjoy the technology, but I also feel a little

999
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 7>guilty sometimes because you know, I spent almost twenty five

1000
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:35.679
<v Speaker 7>years of my career as a software engineer building this

1001
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 7>sort of stuff for people. And that's partially how I

1002
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.960
<v Speaker 7>got into the cybersecurity pieces. I kept seeing the same

1003
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 7>mistakes being made. I kept seeing there there was not

1004
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.480
<v Speaker 7>a focus on security, you know most of most of

1005
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.400
<v Speaker 7>the time, that focus would be on can I make

1006
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 7>what you want work? Can I get it done on

1007
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 7>time and within budget, as opposed to one of the

1008
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:59.440
<v Speaker 7>downstream consequences. If this has a security breach of some sort,

1009
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 7>that's really kind of what got And then then when

1010
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:04.199
<v Speaker 7>I started to see all these nation state actors get

1011
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:06.599
<v Speaker 7>in the game, China and Russia ran North Korea, there's

1012
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:08.960
<v Speaker 7>sort of the access of evil, if you will, in

1013
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 7>cybersecurity of the nation state actors. Keep in mind, you've

1014
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 7>got criminal gangs all around the world, you know, voting

1015
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 7>these attacks on people, individuals, businesses. I'll tell you this

1016
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.159
<v Speaker 7>is a true story, Kevin first hand knowledge of this

1017
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 7>Cincinnati based company referred to us to a partner and

1018
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 7>accounting company. They lost nine hundred and eighty three thousand

1019
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 7>dollars through account takeover that led to fraudulent invoices. And

1020
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 7>we see this sort of thing, wow all the time. Now,

1021
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.039
<v Speaker 7>what company has a spare nine hundred and eighty three

1022
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:41.239
<v Speaker 7>thousand dollars laying around.

1023
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I wish I did, but I don't.

1024
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, me too, brother. That would be you know, devastating,

1025
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.639
<v Speaker 7>if not potentially catastrophic for many businesses to lose that

1026
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 7>kind of money.

1027
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, and Dave, that's not just the nine

1028
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:59.159
<v Speaker 2>hundred and some thousand dollars. I mean, yeah, okay, that's

1029
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 2>a that's a hole in the budget. But when you

1030
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.920
<v Speaker 2>look from an accounting standpoint at that company and you

1031
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.079
<v Speaker 2>look at what their revenue is and what their bottom

1032
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 2>line is, let's say it's ten percent, that ten percent

1033
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Speaker 2>would equate to in order to make that nine hundred

1034
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.719
<v Speaker 2>million dollars back. What is that something like nine billion

1035
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.920
<v Speaker 2>in sales that you are nine hundred whatever the number

1036
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.559
<v Speaker 2>is in sales, so that you can equal that profit

1037
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to pay that nine hundred million dollars.

1038
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's you raise another very valid point that oftentimes

1039
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.679
<v Speaker 7>is misunderstood out there in the world of business until

1040
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:42.880
<v Speaker 7>something bad happens. And I totally understand that your average

1041
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.360
<v Speaker 7>business person is trying to run their business. They're trying

1042
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:47.320
<v Speaker 7>to make money.

1043
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 3>They're trying to grow the business.

1044
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 7>They got all kinds of worries and concerns and things

1045
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.880
<v Speaker 7>that they want to do, things they're trying to do

1046
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.559
<v Speaker 7>to be successful. I totally get that they don't want

1047
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.039
<v Speaker 7>to have to know about all these things. They don't

1048
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.639
<v Speaker 7>want to have to worry about this stuff. And what

1049
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.920
<v Speaker 7>I often hear is, Oh, we're a small business. We

1050
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.280
<v Speaker 7>don't have anything worth stealing, and your money is worth stealing,

1051
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.639
<v Speaker 7>and if you make it easy, they will steal your money.

1052
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 7>It's amazing how creative and deedious these folks are. And

1053
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.159
<v Speaker 7>now we're throwing these generative AI tools, whether it's something

1054
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:20.639
<v Speaker 7>like chats ept that can generate perfect English pros versus

1055
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 7>the broken English we would see in these attacks ten

1056
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.239
<v Speaker 7>fifteen years ago, or all the way up to deep

1057
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 7>fake voice cloning. And I have people tell me all

1058
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 7>the time they don't believe it. Kevin, I'm here to

1059
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 7>tell you, and I may have told you this before.

1060
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 7>John Mattteriche and WCPO called me up. We did a

1061
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 7>TV interview in less than one hour. I swear this

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<v Speaker 7>is true, and you can look it up on their website.

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<v Speaker 7>In less than one hour from the time he called me,

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<v Speaker 7>I went out and found a free website that claimed

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<v Speaker 7>to clone a voice. I'd never used it before. I'd

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<v Speaker 7>never tried this before. I just knew it was a thing. Freesite,

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<v Speaker 7>no experience. I get on there, I mess with a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit. John shows up and in less than an

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<v Speaker 7>hour you can see it in the interview I did

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<v Speaker 7>with him. We clone his voice. Now he had to

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<v Speaker 7>read a sentence a couple of times to train the tool,

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<v Speaker 7>and then you can watch me in the interview type

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<v Speaker 7>in Hello, Gramma, this is John and needs your help.

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<v Speaker 7>Hit a button and it comes out to speakers.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that was no.

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00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 7>Experience with a free tool two years ago. These things

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00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.480
<v Speaker 7>are way better. And then, Kevin, what I always get is, well, Dave,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not a celebrity, how would you get my voice?

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<v Speaker 7>How would the average criminal get my voice? I'm the

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<v Speaker 7>CEO of the company X, or the mayor of city

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<v Speaker 7>Y or whatever. Do you have a voicemail greeting? If

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<v Speaker 7>you do, I am you. I am you. In less

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<v Speaker 7>than fifteen minutes, there, I encourage all of your listeners.

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<v Speaker 7>It is very frightening because most people don't know it's

1085
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.440
<v Speaker 7>a thing, and even if they've heard of it, don't

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00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.599
<v Speaker 7>believe it could happen to them. Again, if you have

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00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 7>a voicemail greeting, if your voice is out there somewhere

1088
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 7>in social media or anywhere that a criminal can get to,

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00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.519
<v Speaker 7>you can potentially be deep fake voice clone. I encourage

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<v Speaker 7>all your listeners. This was well documented in the media.

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<v Speaker 7>The CEO of Ferrari had his voice clones and nearly

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00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.719
<v Speaker 7>fooled the CFO of Ferrari, the car people that they

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<v Speaker 7>work with together all the time, nearly fooled them into

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00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.559
<v Speaker 7>making a financial transaction. It was only at the last minute,

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00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 7>but the CFO started to get a weird vibe. Everything

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00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 7>was very unusual about what the CEO was asking for,

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00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.599
<v Speaker 7>and the CEO asked me quote CEO a question that

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<v Speaker 7>only the CEO could know. And at that point the

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00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.800
<v Speaker 7>jig was up. He realized this was some kind of

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<v Speaker 7>scam that is going to be a tsunami of crime

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00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:33.039
<v Speaker 7>and it is here today. I stress enough to people

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<v Speaker 7>they just watched watch the interview John and I did.

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00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 7>John WCPO website or find me on social media. You'll

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<v Speaker 7>find it and you'll see how easy this is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dave, we need to step out real quick and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back. I want to continue on with this,

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00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 2>and I got a little story and last month I

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00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:53.239
<v Speaker 2>was down at the Mid America Trucking Show and some

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00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 2>of the technology that's coming out there in the AI

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00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:59.480
<v Speaker 2>area is right along this line of what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can see how that's great from their aspect,

1112
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>but how criminals can use that also, So we'll pick

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<v Speaker 2>this up. My guest is Dave Hatter, cybersecurity expert, the

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<v Speaker 2>top cybersecurity expert in the Greater Cincinnati and in my opinion, anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs, the.

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<v Speaker 12>Talk station, fifty five KARC.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do we create value?

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<v Speaker 12>This is great six.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty one in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the

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<v Speaker 2>talk station, continuing our conversation with Dave Hatter, cybersecurity expert,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the premier cybersecurity experts in the area and

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<v Speaker 2>from my opinion, anywhere that I've found anyway. So Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned before the before the break that I had

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<v Speaker 2>been down at the Mid America Trucking Show last month

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the big people, or one of the

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00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.800
<v Speaker 2>big advertisers down there that was making a splash is

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<v Speaker 2>this using this AI technology And he stopped by the

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<v Speaker 2>booth and we had the interview and he talked about

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<v Speaker 2>how this program that they have is geared towards the

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<v Speaker 2>trucking industry and AI, I guess, is getting so specific

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<v Speaker 2>now that when you are doing like voice commands or

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<v Speaker 2>voice that it kind of can translate not only you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do a sentence in English, French and whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will combine that and give the translation to

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<v Speaker 2>a specific individual or get that out. Also they are

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<v Speaker 2>interpreting better what he called what he referred to as

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<v Speaker 2>blue collar English. And then it's specific because if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the trucking realm and this is a tool for

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<v Speaker 2>the trucking realm, instead of misunderstanding, as I texted you

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01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 2>before the show or before you came on, I voicemailed

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<v Speaker 2>or voiced a text to you and the word came

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<v Speaker 2>out completely bizarre. But because of the text of what

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01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.440
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about, it would have corrected that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know, from the aspects of getting load boards

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01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 2>and finding loads and negotiating of AI, negotiating all the

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01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.639
<v Speaker 2>business and stuff with your truck so you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to do it while you're driving is great. But then again,

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01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the way that can be used is what you were

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01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.679
<v Speaker 2>talking about. How that can be used, as you said

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01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:25.639
<v Speaker 2>with Ferrari, how you can really scam something is frightening.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I agree with you, Kevin. This technology is rapidly progressed. Now,

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01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.159
<v Speaker 7>I want to be really honest and tell you, I

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01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:38.480
<v Speaker 7>don't think skynet is going to become aware anytime soon.

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01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:40.960
<v Speaker 7>We're not going to see terminators dropping out of the sky,

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01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:42.880
<v Speaker 7>wiping us all out or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, I also say, you.

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<v Speaker 7>Know, I don't know what's in some lamp somewhere, Kevin,

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01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:48.480
<v Speaker 7>but I can just tell you if I'm working with

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01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.599
<v Speaker 7>the tools that are readily available today, things like.

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01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.599
<v Speaker 3>Chat, CPT or ROCK which is Ex's.

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01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.360
<v Speaker 7>Generative AI, or things like that. There's still a lot

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01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 7>of limitations, and one of the concerns that many people

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<v Speaker 7>bull rays on a regular basis is these things hallucinate.

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01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:07.039
<v Speaker 7>They just make things up. You know, maybe it's correct

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01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 7>eighty percent of the time, and twenty percent of the

1167
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:10.880
<v Speaker 7>time you don't know if what you've got is right

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01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.320
<v Speaker 7>or not. You know, that's one of the limitations. But

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<v Speaker 7>to your point, you're also seeing more and this is

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01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 7>not new, but it's come on rapidly and you're seeing

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01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:21.840
<v Speaker 7>it's spreading a lot of fields. Purpose built AI things

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<v Speaker 7>that are designed to do a specific type of task.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, cats gpt is. It can't do everything, but

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01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.920
<v Speaker 7>it can do a lot of different things fairly well.

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<v Speaker 7>But there are other.

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01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.519
<v Speaker 3>Ais out there that have a specific type.

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<v Speaker 7>Of task they're trying to do, and many of them are,

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01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:39.400
<v Speaker 7>you know, pretty spectacular. I can tell you we use

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01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 7>some AI internally of interest to do things like answer

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01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:44.920
<v Speaker 7>phone calls and rout them to the right people faster.

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<v Speaker 7>So rather than have a human being kind of doing

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01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.280
<v Speaker 7>a routine, mundane, boring task all day long, they can

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01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 7>focus on higher value things. They can focus on, you know,

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01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.639
<v Speaker 7>getting faster resolutions for our clients, that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>But this this thing, and it's not just voice, right,

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01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:06.039
<v Speaker 7>it's deep fake video as well. There are some documented

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01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 7>examples in the media out there of people on i'll

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01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:11.079
<v Speaker 7>just call it a video conference for lack of a

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01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:14.280
<v Speaker 7>better description, where they think they're talking to a human being.

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<v Speaker 3>There has been a plethora of.

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<v Speaker 7>Stories hitting the news about deep fake AI being used

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<v Speaker 7>for job interviews and that sort of thing. So I

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<v Speaker 7>think It's never been more important, Kevin, for people to understand.

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<v Speaker 7>The old adage of you know, if you see it,

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01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:32.079
<v Speaker 7>you can believe it kind of thing is no longer

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01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:35.119
<v Speaker 7>true because much of this technology is good enough now,

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01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.679
<v Speaker 7>especially if you're not aware this is a thing, especially

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01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:42.199
<v Speaker 7>if you're not thinking, am I actually talking to a

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01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.880
<v Speaker 7>human being here? Or am I somehow? Am I talking

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<v Speaker 7>to some sort of AI agent, whether it's a void

1201
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.320
<v Speaker 7>sort of video or whatever. And I encourage people go

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01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.039
<v Speaker 7>learn as much about this as you can. I mean,

1203
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.360
<v Speaker 7>you don't need to get into the business. Just go

1204
01:03:56.440 --> 01:04:00.079
<v Speaker 7>find some of these stories, read that CEO story.

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<v Speaker 2>There's got to be and there's got to be some way,

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01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:07.159
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure that somebody could probably make a fortune

1207
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<v Speaker 2>at this, and maybe we should develop it ourselves, Dave,

1208
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:13.639
<v Speaker 2>and then we can retire being able to buy the

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01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.440
<v Speaker 2>words that are used, the phrases that are used, or

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01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe questions that you can ask to find out whether

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01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:22.480
<v Speaker 2>in fact you're dealing with AI or a human being

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01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:23.480
<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that technology is out there yet,

1215
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.559
<v Speaker 2>but that would certainly there are lots of.

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01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.840
<v Speaker 7>Smart people working on that technology to try to you

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01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:38.320
<v Speaker 7>know whether it's watermark something or yeah, sometimes have a

1218
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:42.639
<v Speaker 7>way to know that something is a deep SAKEI the

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01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.079
<v Speaker 7>problem as I see it, and also you know, I'm

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01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.039
<v Speaker 7>not I don't have deep, deep knowledge in that space,

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01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.639
<v Speaker 7>especially the space of people trying to help you determine

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01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:57.519
<v Speaker 7>whether something's legit or not. Is the technology is moving

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01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:02.000
<v Speaker 7>very quickly, and the bad are super creative. Again, we

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<v Speaker 7>could spend this entire segment, Kevin, I could probably talk

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01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:06.599
<v Speaker 7>to you for more than three hours.

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<v Speaker 8>We could actual stories.

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<v Speaker 1>We're heading in that direction, my friend.

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<v Speaker 7>The creativity of the bad guys. It's quite insane.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's even more insane, Dave Hatter, is the legislators

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<v Speaker 2>trying to rain this in. They are at least what

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<v Speaker 2>three years behind.

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<v Speaker 7>It's it's tough. I can tell you. I end up,

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01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.719
<v Speaker 7>you know, talking to legislators in Kentucky a lot on

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<v Speaker 7>these technology topics, trying to, you know, give some insight

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<v Speaker 7>and steer these conversations. I'm genuinely an anti regulation sort

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01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:47.360
<v Speaker 7>of guy. This is such a wild West out there,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's it's moving so quickly, and I'm really concerned

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<v Speaker 7>both for business related fraud and individual fraud. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>people are losing their life saving businesses, are losing amounts

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<v Speaker 7>of money of going out of business because of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one of those things and until it actually

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<v Speaker 2>hits you, you just, oh, that's the other guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not going to happen to me. That's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen to me. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>I fully understand how hard it is for people to

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<v Speaker 7>believe this.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we need to talk and we need to

1248
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<v Speaker 2>talk about because you presented this this what is it

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<v Speaker 2>for Scouts twenty twenty five report. We got to bring

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01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.360
<v Speaker 2>that up before we get out of here. Could we've

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<v Speaker 2>run up against the clock, but we'll step out here

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment and we'll come back and hit that.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is Dave Hatter. He is a cybersecurity expert

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<v Speaker 2>and love talking to him. I'm Kevin Gordon and for

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01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:36.199
<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas fifty five KR see the.

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<v Speaker 12>Talk station fifty five KARC.

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<v Speaker 1>Six fifty two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KR see

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<v Speaker 2>the talk station. Continue on our conversation with Dave Hatter

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<v Speaker 2>and Dave, we're only about three minutes left and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we should probably talk about one of the topics

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<v Speaker 2>you brought up and this is extremely important and I

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<v Speaker 2>ought to post this on Facebook and maybe we can

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<v Speaker 2>have the station do that on their station as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But this four Scout has released the fifth annual Risk

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<v Speaker 2>Is Connected Devices of twenty twenty five report.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Kevin, I'll be honestly, I'm a lot more worried

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<v Speaker 7>about the Internet of Things aka smart devices than I

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<v Speaker 7>am AI. At this point, we are blindly adding all

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<v Speaker 7>kinds of connected devices into our environment, whether it's your car,

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<v Speaker 7>which is now basically a rolling computer on wheels. And

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<v Speaker 7>if you want to see something really hair raising, look

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<v Speaker 7>up Privacy Not Included. It's a website by Mozilla where

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<v Speaker 7>they look at the privacy implications of these so called

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<v Speaker 7>smart devices, and they did a big expose a on

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<v Speaker 7>car manufacturers at the end of twenty twenty three. It'll

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<v Speaker 7>be quite hair raising for your listeners, I can assure you.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know your your nest thermostat, your ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Doorbell, what again is that?

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<v Speaker 7>What was that Privacy Not Included Mozilla? But these so

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<v Speaker 7>all smart devices. And I say that because I mostly

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<v Speaker 7>despise all of this Internet and Things stuff, not because

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<v Speaker 7>it's inherently bad, but because the market and incentives for

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<v Speaker 7>them are wrong. They care about ease of use so

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<v Speaker 7>consumers or businesses will use them. They care about speed

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01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.359
<v Speaker 7>to market, they care about market share. For the most part,

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<v Speaker 7>they do not care about your privacy and security. And

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<v Speaker 7>if you do any research into this whatsoever, you will

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<v Speaker 7>find example after example after example of just the most

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<v Speaker 7>garbage products in the world. Most of this stuff comes

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<v Speaker 7>from China. It's you know, controlled by the Chinese Communist

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<v Speaker 7>Party and the PRC.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you have no idea what's embedded in that, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course.

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<v Speaker 7>That's exactly right. And most people buy these things. They

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<v Speaker 7>plug them in because they can be cool, and they

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<v Speaker 7>can and they can bring a lot of convenience, especially

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<v Speaker 7>in like an industrial or medical setting. I totally understand

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<v Speaker 7>the appeal of these sort of devices, right, I need

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<v Speaker 7>less people to do more work. I can capture more data,

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<v Speaker 7>I can adjust I can save energy. There's all these

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<v Speaker 7>great reasons. But so much of this stuff is this

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<v Speaker 7>total garbage, and it's every one of these you plug in,

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<v Speaker 7>Kevin is a potential attack vector for the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a search.

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<v Speaker 7>Engine called Showdam sho dam specifically designed to find these

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01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.880
<v Speaker 7>Internet of things connected devices. If you have a two

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<v Speaker 7>year old thermostat and you didn't set it up right,

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01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:20.279
<v Speaker 7>you didn't change the fault password, or you're not updating

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<v Speaker 7>the software in it, they can potentially find that. They'll

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<v Speaker 7>know what vulnerabilities it has. And as far fast as

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<v Speaker 7>this may sound to people, yes, it is within the

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<v Speaker 7>reble possibility for me to get to your wire's router,

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01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:35.079
<v Speaker 7>your doorbell, your thermostat, your coffee maker, your dryer, or whatever,

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<v Speaker 7>and use that as a jumping off point to the

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<v Speaker 7>other devices in your network and a home network. It

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<v Speaker 7>might be a computer you use for work, which might

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<v Speaker 7>let me get into your work environment. In an industrial

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<v Speaker 7>setting or a healthcare setting, or any sort of business

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<v Speaker 7>where these devices exist, sometimes people will call it operational

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01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:58.640
<v Speaker 7>technology instead of it or industrial Internet of things skata ICs.

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<v Speaker 7>If I can find these device and here's an example.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you remember Kevin the Big I know we're at

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<v Speaker 7>about time the Big Target hacked a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 7>All this data was leaked from Target. The hackers did

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<v Speaker 7>not actually attack Target. They hacked an HVAC contractor that

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<v Speaker 7>was working for Target that had access to target systems.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>Packed the subcontractor, and that's how they got into Target

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<v Speaker 7>and stole all the data so Internet of things that

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<v Speaker 7>this forced count report. It's very insightful for any business

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01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:29.840
<v Speaker 7>who is interested in what risks they might have from

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01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:33.920
<v Speaker 7>operational technology. We really got to get serious about about

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<v Speaker 7>protecting the Internet of Things and stop this willing nelly

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<v Speaker 7>buying this cheap garbage and plugging it in. Disaster is

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<v Speaker 7>coming if we do not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic Dave, scare the hell out of your Friday. But

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01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:49.520
<v Speaker 2>it's all great stuff and well I love it. I mean,

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01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:51.800
<v Speaker 2>it is so important and we need to do and

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01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:54.359
<v Speaker 2>do a better job of this. I'll post this on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully we can get this up on the KRSE website. Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a pleasure as always, have a great Easter

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01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.640
<v Speaker 2>weekend and enjoy your time with your family.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly appreciate your time today.

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<v Speaker 3>My pleasure to Kevin.

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<v Speaker 7>Always good to chat with you. I appreciate and help

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01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 7>they catch up with all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Dave Hatter, I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five krs the talk station. All right, six minutes

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<v Speaker 2>after seven o'clock, Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five krs the talk station. If you check my Facebook page,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll know that I have in this segment and Dickerson.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the co founder and lead organizer for Indivisible

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<v Speaker 2>of Northern Kentucky. Indivisible and welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 13>Thank you, good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning. I want to tell everybody that your name

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01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:56.000
<v Speaker 2>was given to me by Rand Paul's field rep. I

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01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:58.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I should say his name, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>you have contacted him, and he suggested that maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you to find out, you know, where you

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01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.560
<v Speaker 2>guys are coming from, what's on your mind. And we

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01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:10.159
<v Speaker 2>see these Indivisible popped up in the news all the

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<v Speaker 2>time nationwide, and figured, well, what the heck, I'll find

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01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:16.319
<v Speaker 2>out what this is all about, and we'll kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, mix it up a little bit and

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<v Speaker 2>see where you're coming from and where I'm coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about it, we talked, we talked about a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of topics off air when we were setting up

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<v Speaker 2>the interview, and you know, we're talking about constitutional crisis,

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<v Speaker 2>king chaos, economy, tariffs, hands off, and so on. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you start and you tell me what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to what is uh? I'm going to use Jen

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01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Saki's line because I absolutely hate it, but what is

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<v Speaker 2>top of mind for you?

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<v Speaker 11>Oh?

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<v Speaker 13>My goodness. First off, the person that you're talking about

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<v Speaker 13>absolutely love I could sit and talk to him for

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01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:06.399
<v Speaker 13>hours and hours just we you know, a really good guy,

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01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:13.640
<v Speaker 13>get along very well, had a very respectful relationship for years.

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<v Speaker 13>So it was his suggestion to me to do this,

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<v Speaker 13>not the other way around. I want to make that clear.

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<v Speaker 13>And he just asked, he said, would you ever do

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<v Speaker 13>something like that? And I said, sure, right, I will

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<v Speaker 13>talk to anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't contact me, so.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it's his you know. I think we have to

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<v Speaker 13>be open to these conversations. I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 13>in the history of politics anywhere, and if you're not

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01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:52.720
<v Speaker 13>talking to people, if you're not you know, able to

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01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:57.960
<v Speaker 13>have some kind of respectful dialogue, that's when everything breaks

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<v Speaker 13>down and you have just this animosity, this hatred, this

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01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:07.560
<v Speaker 13>just I think has gotten completely out of control. I

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01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:12.399
<v Speaker 13>mean people have cut off family members and lifelong friends

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<v Speaker 13>and you know, things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 2>It does make your Christmas card list a lot shorter,

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01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:25.600
<v Speaker 2>so it really postage now.

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<v Speaker 13>Well in travel too, you know, you cut down a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of travel. I hate it for the impact emotionally

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01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:35.680
<v Speaker 13>the total has on a lot of people. I also

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01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:40.960
<v Speaker 13>understand it because it can be very hurtful. But you know,

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01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.920
<v Speaker 13>like I said, if some if you and I can

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01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.000
<v Speaker 13>sit down and have a conversation, or if I can

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01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:48.920
<v Speaker 13>sit down with you know, I've been in meetings in

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01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:53.399
<v Speaker 13>Mitch McConnell's office, in Ran Paul's office, in Thomas Mancy's office.

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<v Speaker 13>It's over the course of since from twenty seventeen until now.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm always open to the there's conversations to see. You know,

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01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:04.960
<v Speaker 13>is there a common ground we can reach? Is there

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01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:10.319
<v Speaker 13>is there a middle option where both parties can you know,

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01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:13.800
<v Speaker 13>feel good. I don't believe we'll ever get there on everything,

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<v Speaker 13>but that doesn't mean there isn't there. Yeah, that doesn't

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01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:21.800
<v Speaker 13>mean there isn't a snooting point, right, So I would

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<v Speaker 13>say to you, would you know when if you went

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<v Speaker 13>to any of the hands off protests that were across

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<v Speaker 13>the country. They were in last count that I saw.

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01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:38.600
<v Speaker 13>I forget how many hundreds there were, but there were

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<v Speaker 13>protests in every single state.

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01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.640
<v Speaker 14>Their estimates are anywhere.

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<v Speaker 13>From three and a half to five million people out

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<v Speaker 13>in the streets at these various events, and you know it,

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01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:56.560
<v Speaker 13>the reason it was so generalized, this hands off was

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01:15:56.600 --> 01:16:00.560
<v Speaker 13>because everybody has a different thing that's their priority, right

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01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.199
<v Speaker 13>based on their your own you know, life, your needs,

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01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:08.359
<v Speaker 13>whatever is going on, and so you would see signs about,

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01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:12.720
<v Speaker 13>you know, hands off my social security, hands off my healthcare,

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01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:19.399
<v Speaker 13>hands off my education, my books, and then there were

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<v Speaker 13>all there's always going to be called about, you know,

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01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:29.439
<v Speaker 13>following the constitution and hands off our traditional democratic you know,

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01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:33.920
<v Speaker 13>democratic republic institutions that have been around for you know,

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<v Speaker 13>forever a number So I think all of these issues,

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<v Speaker 13>depending on to I'm going to determine what's their number

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<v Speaker 13>one issue.

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<v Speaker 2>We know Ann Dickerson, who is the co founder and

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<v Speaker 2>lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. You know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about hands off social Security, hands off Medicare, hands

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01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.319
<v Speaker 2>off healthcare, hands off you know, a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>can be used by conservatives such as myself, to say,

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01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I want your hands off my social security. In terms

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<v Speaker 2>of taxing it, I don't think that that should count

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01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:20.840
<v Speaker 2>in terms of my income. If I choose to earn

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<v Speaker 2>any other income. Once I passed the age of sixty five,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the federals with you that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think the federal government should be messing around.

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<v Speaker 1>With our our medical information.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that you know this push years ago

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<v Speaker 2>to put everything online. I don't know if you were

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<v Speaker 2>listening in the previous half hour, but Dave Hatter, who

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<v Speaker 2>is a cybersecurity expert, talks about how vulnerable all.

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<v Speaker 1>These things are.

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<v Speaker 2>So you go and you have you know, it's great

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01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.399
<v Speaker 2>that you can have your medical records and you can

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01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:54.880
<v Speaker 2>go to one doctor and then they can pull up

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01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:59.000
<v Speaker 2>your medical records through whatever service they have, But anytime

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01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:03.359
<v Speaker 2>you're transmitting that stuff, there are vulnerabilities and somebody getting

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<v Speaker 2>a hold of your medical records. I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you would want me to know, or would

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know what doctors I've seen for

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<v Speaker 2>what reason, what medications I'm on, or any of that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff which can be used, as you've seen

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, for other reasons. So when you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about hands off, it goes both ways.

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<v Speaker 3>So, oh, I.

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<v Speaker 13>Agree with you, but I would I would say that

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01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:34.680
<v Speaker 13>the specific issues that you're talking about. You know, anybody

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01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 13>that I know personally would probably agree with you that

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<v Speaker 13>on that aspect of things. You know, I don't believe

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<v Speaker 13>that social Security should be taxed, and I don't believe

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<v Speaker 13>our medical records should be privy to anyone. There's a

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<v Speaker 13>reason that we have hippo laws and they need to

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<v Speaker 13>be maintained. But you also have you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>nailed down even further. You have this issue across the

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<v Speaker 13>country with laws being written and attempted to be passed

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<v Speaker 13>to get the medical records specifically for women of child

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<v Speaker 13>bearing age that go to a gynecologist now and wanting

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<v Speaker 13>to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Issue done on that issue. Okay, And I know where

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<v Speaker 2>you're heading with that. I'm sure it's having to do

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<v Speaker 2>with a pro choice and that.

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<v Speaker 13>But no, I really wasn't. I was just trying to

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<v Speaker 13>say within what you were saying. You know, it can't

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<v Speaker 13>be so many of these issues. You know, when I

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<v Speaker 13>was grown up, there's a common phrase about because this

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<v Speaker 13>is such a heavily German Catholic area, there was a

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<v Speaker 13>there was a common phrase of somebody being a cafeteria

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<v Speaker 13>Catholic where they would pick and choose as those to

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01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 13>completely falling a faith. And I feel like that's a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of what's happening now as well. You know, whether

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<v Speaker 13>you're talking about the constitution, whether you're talking about the

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01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:08.680
<v Speaker 13>overreach that you mentioned with healthcare. You know, we it's

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<v Speaker 13>either all or nothing on these things. We can't just

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<v Speaker 13>pick and choose. Well, everybody can have privacy for their healthcare,

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<v Speaker 13>but not if you're a woman of child bearing age.

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<v Speaker 13>Wait a minute, Well, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That and that is important. Well to a certain extent.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see where some of those records and some

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<v Speaker 2>of that information is necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>And there ought to be a way of.

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<v Speaker 2>Having a specific number or a specific identifier that is

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<v Speaker 2>not tied to a particular individual. And I don't know

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01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:40.880
<v Speaker 2>if it's some sort of a clearinghouse. When you go

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01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:43.960
<v Speaker 2>in you're randomly assigned a number. That number goes to

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01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:46.600
<v Speaker 2>somebody else who isn't connected with you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, you got an intermediary.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a point A, the patient, and then point

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<v Speaker 2>C where this information is gathered, and a clearinghouse point

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01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:59.640
<v Speaker 2>B where the individual act or the individual person's name

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01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.159
<v Speaker 2>is eliminated from that. Because that's where we get into

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01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:08.159
<v Speaker 2>people of child bearing age. How many miscarriages? How many

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<v Speaker 2>you know what health factors there are when we start

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<v Speaker 2>hearing about the infant mortality rate. When we start hearing

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01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:18.000
<v Speaker 2>about well women in some cases that the first time

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01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:20.520
<v Speaker 2>they do anything in terms of going to see a

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01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:26.000
<v Speaker 2>doctor is right around the time when they are especially

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01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:28.640
<v Speaker 2>if they're pregnant, that they don't go until the seventh month.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just learned from a group.

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<v Speaker 2>That I'm associated with or familiar with that's a called

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01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:38.920
<v Speaker 2>care net and who talks about you know, stepping in

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01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.800
<v Speaker 2>and helping people that when they're in that crisis to

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01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:44.800
<v Speaker 2>know that there's other options. That they said the insurance

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01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.319
<v Speaker 2>laws kick in to where you are actually covered for.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's stupid. I mean, if we're trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the infant mortality rate is lower, we want

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01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:57.039
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that babies are a birth of healthy,

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01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the mothers are healthy. That should all begin at day

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01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:02.880
<v Speaker 2>one and not at the seventh months. So those kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of things. So you know, the CDC used to come

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<v Speaker 2>out with all these statistics about, oh, you know, how

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01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:12.720
<v Speaker 2>many kids I drown in a five gallon bucket because

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01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, toddlers, because they're so top heavy, they fall

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01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.760
<v Speaker 2>in that and drown. And to get all this facts

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<v Speaker 2>and information so that we are more informed, I think

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01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:25.159
<v Speaker 2>is good, but where you don't protect the privacy rights,

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01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>that's where we have a problem. And we need to

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<v Speaker 2>take a break here real quick. So my guest is

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<v Speaker 2>Anne Dickerson. I appreciate you spending time with us, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll carry this through the break and Dickerson, co founder

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01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and lead organizer for Individual Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon

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01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:42.920
<v Speaker 2>in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KR see the talk

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01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.800
<v Speaker 2>station fifty five the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on seven twenty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs, the

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<v Speaker 2>talk station. What appropriate bumper music for this segment? And

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you've talked to some of your friends

1545
01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:08.840
<v Speaker 2>and you say, how dare you go on with that

1546
01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:13.239
<v Speaker 2>rabid right wing conservative nut job? And I know my

1547
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:17.039
<v Speaker 2>people are saying the same thing. So we've got to

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01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:20.319
<v Speaker 2>cater a little bit to their needs because obviously, if

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01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.119
<v Speaker 2>we're agreeing on anything, they're gonna say, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>did you go on there for in the first place.

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<v Speaker 13>So that's so funny. Actually, everybody in my circles like

1552
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:33.079
<v Speaker 13>cheering me on, saying, go you.

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<v Speaker 14>Know, just do it.

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<v Speaker 13>Wasn't good thing, I promise you but it was more like,

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01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:43.800
<v Speaker 13>you know, not, not everybody is open to these kinds

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01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:45.680
<v Speaker 13>of conversations. So if you want to get into it,

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01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:47.560
<v Speaker 13>pick a topic and let's run with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's up to you. You're the guest. You're the guest.

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, all right, Okay, we gotta give you.

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01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:53.479
<v Speaker 7>We gotta give you.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta give your people and my people some red

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01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:57.079
<v Speaker 1>meat here, okay.

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, So I'll jump into probably the one of the

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01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:03.880
<v Speaker 13>reddest meat areas that we have right now because it's

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<v Speaker 13>so hot in the news, which is what's going on

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01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.279
<v Speaker 13>with these immigration cases, okay, and people not receiving due process,

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<v Speaker 13>which violates the fifth and the fourteenth Amendments.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, so it was so important to our founding

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<v Speaker 13>fathers that they put habeas corpus write an article one.

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<v Speaker 13>So you know, I'm real curious as to this this

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<v Speaker 13>fever pitch that we've gotten to on immigration.

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<v Speaker 14>Because in fact, we are all.

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<v Speaker 13>Products of immigration. Right unless you have indigenous blood running

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01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:47.239
<v Speaker 13>through your veins, of the native people that were here

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<v Speaker 13>before we ever, you know, took over this land, how

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<v Speaker 13>can you look back through history and complain about something

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<v Speaker 13>that is very much a part of the American dream.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean when I grew up, you know, and I'm

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<v Speaker 13>fifty seven, when I grew up, I grew up with

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<v Speaker 13>the understanding that, you know, we had this self aggrandized

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<v Speaker 13>belief that everybody comes to the United States because this

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<v Speaker 13>is where you have freedom, and this is where anybody

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<v Speaker 13>can become anything they want to be, and they can

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<v Speaker 13>work themselves up. And now it's like, you know, not

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<v Speaker 13>only are we wanting to push everybody out, we're wanting

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<v Speaker 13>to lock ourselves in.

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<v Speaker 14>All right, let's unpacationist feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's unpack that for a moment. Okay, you do agree

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<v Speaker 2>that the reason that you have a country is you

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<v Speaker 2>have a country because of borders and there is a

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<v Speaker 2>certain process by which people are supposed to enter a

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<v Speaker 2>particular country. I don't care what it is in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the legal way versus the illegal way way correct?

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<v Speaker 4>Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>And if there's a flawed immigration system that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be worked on and that needs to be fixed, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can't tell me that a reasonable person would think

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<v Speaker 2>that over the last previous four years that having millions

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<v Speaker 2>of people flooding across our border in what I would

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<v Speaker 2>refer to as an invasion, how many people in the

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<v Speaker 2>military got kicked out because they wouldn't take the job.

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<v Speaker 2>How many people lost their job because they wouldn't take

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<v Speaker 2>the job. And yet we have millions of people in

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<v Speaker 2>this country. We don't know who they are. They weren't vetted,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have a proper identification for them, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>not facts. We don't know what healthcare they have, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're roaming our country. How do we consider ourselves a

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<v Speaker 2>country if we are going to allow ourselves, quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>in my term, to be invaded, I would.

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<v Speaker 13>Say that the numbers that you're using are grossly infleted.

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<v Speaker 13>Number one, Number two, I would say that the vast

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<v Speaker 13>majority of immigrants have been maligned with these, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>accusations of the kinds of people that they are in fact,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, undocumented people in this country. The most recent

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<v Speaker 13>statistic I could find, you know, came from twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 13>put ninety six point seven billion dollars worth of taxes

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<v Speaker 13>into the federal, state, and local system.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, now, I what are the numbers, what are

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01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>the numbers that are pulled out of that system? Because

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<v Speaker 2>you hear the numbers of sixty billion dollar deficit in

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<v Speaker 2>the city of New York and the billions of dollars

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01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:42.319
<v Speaker 2>in California that are spent on housing illegal immigrants and

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<v Speaker 2>putting them up in hotels and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you offset that? What is the corresponding number?

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<v Speaker 13>So I don't know what you're looking for there, because

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<v Speaker 13>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you've got to you've got you've got to you've

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<v Speaker 2>got people that put into the system, and you have

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01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:06.199
<v Speaker 2>people that take out of the system. So if you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying we're that of the immigrants in this country they

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<v Speaker 2>put in ninety six billion dollars, Well, what is the

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01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:17.279
<v Speaker 2>immigrant population taking out in the form of medical tuition,

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01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:23.319
<v Speaker 2>home and assistance from the Social Security system or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>network there is out there?

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<v Speaker 13>See, but they're here's the thing. Undocumented individuals don't have

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<v Speaker 13>Social Security numbers. They can't get a SOI of Security number.

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<v Speaker 13>What they get in order to file taxes is a

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<v Speaker 13>tax identification number. In fact, an everyday citizen can get

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<v Speaker 13>a tax identification number and not use THEIRS as security

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01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:55.159
<v Speaker 13>number to file their taxes. So you know, that's I

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<v Speaker 13>think what you're what you're quoting is off in terms

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<v Speaker 13>of that. I'll use the common day, everyday term waste

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01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:13.479
<v Speaker 13>fraud and abuse because you know, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps,

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<v Speaker 13>all of those social safety nets programs that you're talking

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<v Speaker 13>about and notorious really have very low rate of fraud.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, compare compare in a minute, yes, compare it

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<v Speaker 13>to the one area in the government that OS is

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<v Speaker 13>not touched yet, which is the Pentagon and the military

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<v Speaker 13>industrial complex.

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<v Speaker 14>Which has sailed its last seven audits. The one area

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<v Speaker 14>of the government that we spend the most.

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<v Speaker 13>Amount of money on and they haven't touched it.

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<v Speaker 14>Were the smallest chunks.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the pie.

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<v Speaker 2>Co founder and organizer of of Indivisibal Northern Kentucky. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go off ripped here. We were scheduled to the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the hour. I'm going to carry you over

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<v Speaker 2>past the news and we'll get into this even more.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh again, before we go, I just want to,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to, you know, make the mention of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that yes, there is waste, fraud and abuse in

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<v Speaker 2>the military industrial complex that has been talked about, and

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<v Speaker 2>quite honestly, there isn't a single agency. And again, people

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<v Speaker 2>are probably tired of hearing me say this, but you

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<v Speaker 2>probably not heard it. I am a recovering accountant so

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<v Speaker 2>when you talk about there is not there is not

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<v Speaker 2>an agency, There is not a division of the federal

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<v Speaker 2>government that could pass an audit, including the i RS,

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<v Speaker 2>And that to me is just astounding and criminal in

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<v Speaker 2>my position. So anyway, we'll pick this up on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the break. My guest again and Dickerson,

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<v Speaker 2>co founder, lead organized well lord, lead organizer for Indivisible

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<v Speaker 2>Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five KR see the talk station.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifty five KRC dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>A Minute of Hope is brought to you by the

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<v Speaker 1>Linder Center of Hope Linder's Center of Hope dot seven

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one in the morning. Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty five KR see the talk station, speaking with Ann Dickerson.

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<v Speaker 2>She is co founder and lead or lead organizer for

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<v Speaker 2>Indivisible Northern Kentucky. And thank you so much for hanging

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<v Speaker 2>with us through the break. Certainly appreciate it. So we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about DOZE and going in and looking at

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<v Speaker 2>these different organ different size of the government. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you you mentioned you no, you sat in conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>Rand Paul. You're probably familiar with Rand Paul's Festivust report

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<v Speaker 2>on an annual basis where he goes through different departments

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01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:53.079
<v Speaker 2>of the government talks about waste, fraud and abuse and

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<v Speaker 2>some of these areas that probably should be cut. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think the last one that he did there was

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<v Speaker 2>a out one point was at one point one trillion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in cuts that could be done that nobody would

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<v Speaker 2>even miss because some of this waste is there. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got to I mean, you mentioned the fact that even

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<v Speaker 2>the I mentioned the fact that even they're in the

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<v Speaker 2>department of the government. I don't care what department, cabinet

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01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>members or whatever. I mean, cabinet departments cannot pass an audit.

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<v Speaker 2>So number one, we as taxpayers ought to be demanding that.

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<v Speaker 2>And and to waste fraud and abuse. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't file your tax returns properly, if you tell

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<v Speaker 2>the IRS, I can't pass an audit and just go

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<v Speaker 2>away leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 1>That ain't gonna work.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think, oh yeah, I wish we as taxpayers

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01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>could demand that of our government, and I think we

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<v Speaker 2>could probably agree on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we'll probably diss and I will.

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<v Speaker 13>And I will tell you this as well. There is

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<v Speaker 13>no one on any spectrum. Regardless of party position or

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01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:02.720
<v Speaker 13>what have you. There is no one that thinks that

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<v Speaker 13>making government more efficient less wasteful is a bad pity.

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<v Speaker 13>The bigger problem is the process right now, the way

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01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:20.359
<v Speaker 13>that it's that things are happening, as opposed to actually

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01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:24.680
<v Speaker 13>getting rid of waste, bard and abuse. However, if you

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<v Speaker 13>look at the first quarter numbers that came out compared

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<v Speaker 13>to last year, you will find that the money that

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<v Speaker 13>was spent in the same time period last year under

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01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:42.199
<v Speaker 13>different administration to now, while we've fired or laid off,

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01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:45.359
<v Speaker 13>I had lost count of the number of federal workers

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<v Speaker 13>shut down buildings which shuts down you know, all the

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<v Speaker 13>all the management, all the money that goes into managing

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01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:56.439
<v Speaker 13>a building and keeping it open and running and viable

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01:33:56.479 --> 01:34:00.079
<v Speaker 13>for people to use. We've spent one hundred.

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<v Speaker 14>And eighty four billion more dollars this.

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<v Speaker 13>Year than last year in the same time period.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so how are.

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<v Speaker 14>We How are we eliminating waste bad abuse?

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<v Speaker 13>If we're spending more money and yet we have less

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01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:20.039
<v Speaker 13>things that we're spending money on by already shutting all

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01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:22.239
<v Speaker 13>these things down and getting rid of all these people, then.

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<v Speaker 2>The question could be come to you is why all

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<v Speaker 2>the protests then, you know, because if nothing has changed,

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01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>if it was okay last year, what is.

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<v Speaker 1>The big deal now? Now?

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<v Speaker 13>I will agree, Come on, you're being oversimplified and you

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01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:45.520
<v Speaker 13>don't know about that. I've been I've been at these

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01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:50.399
<v Speaker 13>protests where I mean people, you know, I'm gonna tell

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01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:52.479
<v Speaker 13>you one story in particular, a woman come up to

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01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:58.039
<v Speaker 13>me crumming, I mean, tears streaming down her face. Had

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01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:00.800
<v Speaker 13>never met her, never seen her before or anything else.

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01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:04.840
<v Speaker 13>And what it happened was we were actually out in

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<v Speaker 13>front of Thomas Mancy's office on Buttermilk Pike and her

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01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:13.319
<v Speaker 13>husband had picked up their child from school, was taking

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01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:16.840
<v Speaker 13>their child to an after school activity, and he called

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01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:20.520
<v Speaker 13>her at home and said, honey, they're out on Buttermilk Pike.

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<v Speaker 13>And she immediately threw a bunch of stuff in her

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01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:27.840
<v Speaker 13>car and drove up to meet us. And you know,

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01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:30.359
<v Speaker 13>because I was back and forth between people and everything,

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01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:31.720
<v Speaker 13>I had to kind of wait till the end of

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01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:35.000
<v Speaker 13>the protest to specifically go up to her. Once I

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01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:37.319
<v Speaker 13>you know, she joined us, I was like, are you okay,

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01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:40.079
<v Speaker 13>And once she was yes, I'm okay. I'm just this

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01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:42.720
<v Speaker 13>is so amazing. And I was doing all my other stuff.

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<v Speaker 13>I wanted to find out what her story was, and

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<v Speaker 13>here come to find out she's a federal worker who

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01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:51.359
<v Speaker 13>lost her job, you know, and was so moved that

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01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:56.239
<v Speaker 13>people were concerned enough to be out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she get the buy out?

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<v Speaker 13>I don't know. I did ask about that. All I

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01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:03.680
<v Speaker 13>know is that she said that, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>She lost her job.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we got you know, as our producer said,

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01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:11.039
<v Speaker 2>we were on a timeline here. So coming up, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit more about this and again talk

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<v Speaker 2>more about this issue. My guest is Anne Dickerson, co founder,

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01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:21.359
<v Speaker 2>lead organized lead organ Why can't I say that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Lead organized lead organizer for Indivisibal Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon in for Brian Thomas. Fifty five KRS, the talk station,

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01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:33.079
<v Speaker 2>fifty five KRC, the talk station. Stay you continue our

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<v Speaker 2>conversation with Anne Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for

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01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Indivisible Northern Kentucky. Before the break, we talked about federal layoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>You talked about this person that showed up one of

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01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the protests, and it was about a month and a

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01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:48.640
<v Speaker 2>half ago at was it Rand Paul's office?

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01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and this federal worker came up and was in

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01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:57.279
<v Speaker 2>tears that she had lost her job. Now, on a

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01:36:57.279 --> 01:37:01.079
<v Speaker 2>weekly basis, there is on Thursday, there is the initial

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01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:04.520
<v Speaker 2>job claims report that comes out, the unemployment numbers from

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01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the Bureau of Labor Statistics and whatever. And they keep

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01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:11.880
<v Speaker 2>saying week after week after week that the layoffs in

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01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the federal government aren't starting to show up in these

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01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:18.439
<v Speaker 2>numbers yet. Number One, because in a lot of instances,

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01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:21.760
<v Speaker 2>if they do have that eight month severance package, they

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01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>are still technically employed. They're getting a check on a periodic,

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01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, a normal paycheck until the eight months, which

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01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:31.359
<v Speaker 2>gives them plenty of time to go out and find

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01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:36.439
<v Speaker 2>another bit of employment. I've heard stories about people that

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01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>are up at retirement age and they said, oh man,

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01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:41.560
<v Speaker 2>what a gift from Heaven. I was getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>retire and I get this buyout package. It gives me

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01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a paycheck for the next eight months, and how great

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01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:51.399
<v Speaker 2>is that? So we have that, and so the federal label.

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<v Speaker 13>Have you got to anybody that's actually started receiving it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they have or not, but that

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01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:00.399
<v Speaker 2>if they have not been receiving it, then I would

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<v Speaker 2>qualify for filing for unemployment, and according to the numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>that isn't showing up yet. Now I know that some

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01:38:06.920 --> 01:38:08.560
<v Speaker 2>of the federal workers, I don't know if all of

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01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.479
<v Speaker 2>them are in some sort of a separate system that

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01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>handles their unemployment. And the numbers from that are that

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01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:19.640
<v Speaker 2>on a weekly basis, that's gone. I think one week

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01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:23.680
<v Speaker 2>it went up five hundred and thirty four versus another

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01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>week where it was up two hundred. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a question that again, if we didn't have spoon

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<v Speaker 2>fed regurgitators in the mainstream media, but people that would

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01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:38.800
<v Speaker 2>actually go out and do investigative news, we would know

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01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:41.319
<v Speaker 2>these things instead of you and I having to dig

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<v Speaker 2>up these numbers ourselves.

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<v Speaker 13>Now I agree with you on that as well. I

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01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:48.800
<v Speaker 13>love independent media.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, we only got about three minutes left here,

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<v Speaker 2>so I want to, you know, make sure that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say.

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<v Speaker 13>I do want to say too. You know, even though

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01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:01.439
<v Speaker 13>we have you know, met in these offices, we have

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01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:06.199
<v Speaker 13>protested in front of these offices and other places. I

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<v Speaker 13>do like to give credit where credit is due. And

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<v Speaker 13>I texted the person that connected us after Rantall's speech

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01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:22.159
<v Speaker 13>on the floor where he stood up against the tariffs,

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<v Speaker 13>and he stood up against the breakdown of the three

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01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:31.199
<v Speaker 13>coequal branches of government, stating also that he did not

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01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:36.359
<v Speaker 13>want to live in a place that was governed by

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01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:40.279
<v Speaker 13>an emergency rule. And I think this is a very

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01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:44.159
<v Speaker 13>scary time for people because of all the chaos, because

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01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:46.119
<v Speaker 13>there was no plan. I mean, if I owned, if

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01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:48.479
<v Speaker 13>I was going to take over a business, of course,

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01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:52.600
<v Speaker 13>of course you would want to, you know, check each department,

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01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:55.279
<v Speaker 13>see who you were going to keep, who you weren't

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01:39:55.319 --> 01:39:58.279
<v Speaker 13>going to keep, you know, try to find out where

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01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:00.319
<v Speaker 13>the areas are that you could save money, where you

1834
01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:03.479
<v Speaker 13>could make things efficient, so on and so forth. But

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01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:07.000
<v Speaker 13>you don't take a sledgehammer to it.

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<v Speaker 14>With no plan.

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<v Speaker 13>And then you know, you fire people, you tire them back,

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01:40:13.399 --> 01:40:17.640
<v Speaker 13>then you fire people again, you know, and the tariffs

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<v Speaker 13>on again, off again, on again, off again. I don't

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<v Speaker 13>even want to talk to my money manager I because

1841
01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:26.720
<v Speaker 13>it's going to put me in a state of anxiety

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01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:28.359
<v Speaker 13>that I may never come out of.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I will finish up with this. I'll finish

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01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>up with this.

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<v Speaker 2>And that you can go through corporate corporation after corporation,

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01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:40.119
<v Speaker 2>after corporation, you can go through the United Auto Workers.

1847
01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>You can go through the people that were terminated on

1848
01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the Keystone XL pipeline. You can talk to people that

1849
01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:50.239
<v Speaker 2>got shown that well actually offer of a buyout from

1850
01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Bell when they merged and transferred and whatever. You

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01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:58.039
<v Speaker 2>see all these different corporations and there's always that several

1852
01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:01.359
<v Speaker 2>people I know some that were like, you know, eight

1853
01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>weeks shy of that, fifteen years or whatever. So they're

1854
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>fully vested or whatever. And that happens in corporate business

1855
01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and it's not right there. But nobody's

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01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.680
<v Speaker 2>protesting and whining I don't mean whining, but protesting about

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01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:16.680
<v Speaker 2>that you.

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<v Speaker 13>Do, but you don't want to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, again, you know these are kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the terms that you know people will understand and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>But again I rail at you know, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you go to some of these and they've

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01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:34.439
<v Speaker 2>they've gone through these offices in Washington and even in

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01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:37.399
<v Speaker 2>corporate America itself. You go into how many people are

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01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:40.640
<v Speaker 2>working from home? And I don't nobody's going to convince

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01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:42.960
<v Speaker 2>me that people are. That there are some, but they

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01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.600
<v Speaker 2>are not everybody that's more productive working at home than

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01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:47.880
<v Speaker 2>working in an office and the fact that you go

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01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:50.680
<v Speaker 2>into some of these federal buildings and six percent of

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01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:53.319
<v Speaker 2>the people are there, but if you discount all the

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01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:56.319
<v Speaker 2>maintenance people and everything, you're down to a three percent

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01:41:56.439 --> 01:41:59.560
<v Speaker 2>people that are actually working there. I don't think that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, doctors have to go into the office. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>nurses have to go into the office, all the you know,

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01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the police and fire have to go into their office.

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01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I think the least taxpayers can do and workers can

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01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>do is go into their office and do the job

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01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:14.680
<v Speaker 2>that they were hired to do.

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01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:17.399
<v Speaker 1>So again, UH, I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 2>We solve the world's issues here, but uh, I would

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01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:22.359
<v Speaker 2>certainly like to talk to you a little bit more

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01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:22.720
<v Speaker 2>at some.

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01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:25.239
<v Speaker 4>Point in time and any time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if we can eliminate the idea that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>on my side is a Nazi, that the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we should be, you know, taking and torching Tesla dealerships

1887
01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:40.279
<v Speaker 2>and calling for the assassination of Elon Musk or Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta admit that's going a lot too far.

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<v Speaker 5>So well, I.

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<v Speaker 13>Do not advocate for violence in any way, shape or

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<v Speaker 13>form when it comes to any of this. The same

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<v Speaker 13>way that I was, you know, the same way that.

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<v Speaker 13>I was shocked when you know, uh people and.

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<v Speaker 14>You know and now you if I have not.

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<v Speaker 13>Heard anything about what you just mentioned as far as

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01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:11.000
<v Speaker 13>calling for people to be killed, I would never agree

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<v Speaker 13>with that, no matter who it was or what the

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<v Speaker 13>circumstance was, I don't agree with that in any way,

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<v Speaker 13>shape or form. What we do is protests. Everything we

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01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:26.600
<v Speaker 13>do is well planned out. Everybody knows the rules, you know,

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01:43:26.600 --> 01:43:29.720
<v Speaker 13>knows the right way to behave in public settings. I'm

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<v Speaker 13>a real stickler for that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we have a first That's why we have.

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<v Speaker 13>As it is agreed and we need to keep it

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<v Speaker 13>instead of you know, now, we've got measures even here hee.

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<v Speaker 13>Just this past session they passed a bill limiting that.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, they're trying to limit protests. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 13>limit people's ability to exercise free speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, you've never gone to a city council meeting or

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<v Speaker 2>a county commissioner meeting in any of the counties and

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01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:08.880
<v Speaker 2>you try to talk about some issues there. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 2>is now in Campbell County, the People's Republic of Campbell County,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a Kevin Gordon rule where you're only allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to speak for two minutes, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, and it's it's been interesting, and we've got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk some more and we're really late for a break,

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<v Speaker 2>and I certainly appreciate your time, and sure we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>in touch. And Dickerson, co founder and lead organizer for

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<v Speaker 2>Indivisible Northern Kentucky. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty five krs the talk.

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<v Speaker 12>Station, fifty five KRC.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven fifty two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the

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<v Speaker 2>talk station. Phone numbers five one, three, seven, four nine,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five hundred one eight hundred eighty two three eight

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<v Speaker 2>two five five pound five point fifty on your wireless phone.

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<v Speaker 8>Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, let's go to the phones and talk to Jay. Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you this morning?

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<v Speaker 8>Hey?

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<v Speaker 3>Doing good?

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin good.

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<v Speaker 15>I wanted to say that I used to work north

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<v Speaker 15>of d C with the Defense Contractor and I worked

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<v Speaker 15>with some of these federal workers and I'll tell you

1937
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<v Speaker 15>they were they were the type of people that are

1938
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<v Speaker 15>like your hardcore union that if you needed them to stay,

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<v Speaker 15>and we were making an unmanned aircraft system that the

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<v Speaker 15>army needed bad. If it was one minute after eight hours,

1941
01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:37.079
<v Speaker 15>they were gone. And there, I know, and so crying,

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<v Speaker 15>you know, the part that really I held in pretty strong,

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<v Speaker 15>but I broke down and we went and wept when

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<v Speaker 15>she said, I don't even want to talk to my

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<v Speaker 15>money manager. I heard the same thing from so many

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<v Speaker 15>Kentucky coal miners that were let go over the year.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, no, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess I didn't. I guess I didn't.

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<v Speaker 15>But they are just entitled, spoiled.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 15>They worked for an employer, the Federal Guard, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 15>need to make.

1953
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<v Speaker 1>A profit exactly.

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<v Speaker 15>Therefore they unionize. And when there's a collective bargaining, you

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<v Speaker 15>think the federal government is going to dig in and

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<v Speaker 15>try to do the best thing for shareholders that's us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 15>absolutely not. They just get whatever they want. So crime

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<v Speaker 15>a River. Yeah, that there for the first time since

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<v Speaker 15>they've ever been in their existence. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 15>the story from now eight hours a day, no weekends,

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<v Speaker 15>no stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I can tell you a story. I can

1963
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<v Speaker 1>tell you a story. Jay.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the late seventies early eighties, you may recall,

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<v Speaker 2>with all of the oil problems and the embargoes and

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<v Speaker 2>so on, the Department of Energy was formed, and they

1967
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<v Speaker 2>had a program where if you were using domestic oil,

1968
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<v Speaker 2>it would be a certain price, and if you were

1969
01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:48.479
<v Speaker 2>using foreign oil, it would be a different price. The

1970
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<v Speaker 2>Department of Energy was sent around to all these different

1971
01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:54.600
<v Speaker 2>oil companies and they were supposed to audit these items

1972
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:57.479
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that they were recording the numbers properly.

1973
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<v Speaker 2>They had been in business for almost two years, had

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<v Speaker 2>not completed one audit in the office that I was

1975
01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>assigned to. The company I worked for was an accounting firm.

1976
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<v Speaker 2>We got the Department of Energy audit contract and we're

1977
01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:17.920
<v Speaker 2>sent to these different places to do these energy audits

1978
01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:21.319
<v Speaker 2>for them. Now, in this particular office, there was a secretary,

1979
01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:26.159
<v Speaker 2>a manager, and three or four different employees. Had not

1980
01:47:26.399 --> 01:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>completed one audit in a two and a half year

1981
01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>period of time, and we wound up having to do

1982
01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:33.720
<v Speaker 2>it in like a six week period of time. And

1983
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<v Speaker 2>if you'd asked them something can you give me, and

1984
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<v Speaker 2>this one we're talking about before computers, you're talking about

1985
01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>can you do this spreadsheet for me of this information?

1986
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<v Speaker 2>And you ask them that at two thirty in the afternoon, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we quit at for and I really don't

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01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:53.239
<v Speaker 2>want to get started on that. I'll start on that

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<v Speaker 2>first thing in the morning. What are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>do for the next hour and a half? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was absolutely insane, Jay, working with these Department of

1992
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<v Speaker 2>Energy auditors.

1993
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<v Speaker 1>It was I feel your pain.

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<v Speaker 2>I know exactly what you're talking about, and anybody that's

1995
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<v Speaker 2>ever had any contact with them knows what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, anyway, Jay, I certainly appreciate it. Coming up,

1997
01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:19.079
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be uh well, open lines, and so let

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<v Speaker 2>me see who we got, Bobby, Jay, I think coming

1999
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<v Speaker 2>up next. We'll get to you right after the break

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<v Speaker 2>or after the top of the hour. I'm Kevin by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, phone numbers five one, three, seven, four nine fifty,

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01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:31.479
<v Speaker 2>five hundred one, eight hundred eight two three talk one

2003
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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred eight two three eight two five five pound,

2004
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<v Speaker 2>five point fifty AT and T wireless phone. Kevin Gordon

2005
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<v Speaker 2>in for Brian Thomas fifty five K see the talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are being safe out there this morning, and

2007
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<v Speaker 2>I hope you spend some time today reflecting on the

2008
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<v Speaker 2>importance of Good Friday, and especially if it's one of

2009
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<v Speaker 2>the most important days or one of the most important

2010
01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:55.840
<v Speaker 2>events in the Christian calendar and of course Catholicism. You

2011
01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:59.439
<v Speaker 2>know there you got the three big ones. You specifically

2012
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:01.760
<v Speaker 2>have Chris, and then you have a good Friday, and

2013
01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:04.399
<v Speaker 2>then you have Easter, and so I hope you take

2014
01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:07.640
<v Speaker 2>time to do that. By the way, phone numbers five one, three, seven, four,

2015
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<v Speaker 2>nine fifty five, D one, eight hundred, day two three

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<v Speaker 2>talk one eight hundred day two three eight two five

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<v Speaker 2>five pound, five point fifty AT and T wireless phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to the phones right now. Let's talk to Bobby.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having Bobby Jay, I think, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for hanging with us through the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly appreciate it. How are you this morning?

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<v Speaker 8>Doing great? My brand, Thank you for carrying that torture

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01:49:28.439 --> 01:49:31.640
<v Speaker 8>freedom and shining the dark. The light in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Dark's people like you that give me the encouragement, my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 8>Talking about the Parol employees, it's real simple. We'll just

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<v Speaker 8>go out and anywhere in the country they understand.

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<v Speaker 1>What calling the herd is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got to get rid of them, yeah, exactly. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in any organization, when you have a bloated bureaucracy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's necessary once in a while to go through and

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<v Speaker 2>and as you said, call the herd. Now, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on a monthly basis, they come up with these statistics

2035
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<v Speaker 2>as far as jobs created in a particular month, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they have the on Thursday. Every Thursday they have

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<v Speaker 2>the initial jobless report or the job you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>who are filing their initial claims. And it's amazing that

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<v Speaker 2>looking at that over the last year and a half

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<v Speaker 2>or so or longer, every time they come up with

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01:50:22.760 --> 01:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>these jobs reports, it's like, okay, there's you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand added in manufacturing, twenty thousand added in the service

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01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:33.960
<v Speaker 2>sector or whatever some there weren't. You know, the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>are down, but almost on a consistent basis.

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<v Speaker 1>The number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Added jobs in a particular month for the last year

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<v Speaker 2>and a half or so has been government jobs. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course that could be city, state, county, federal, whatever,

2049
01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:54.479
<v Speaker 2>but fifty thousand jobs added every month, forty thousand added.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, all you got to do is, you know

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<v Speaker 2>when they when they say that, you know, you have

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01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>these snow days and it's the emergencies and only the

2053
01:51:04.039 --> 01:51:08.520
<v Speaker 2>non essential employees stay home. Well, there's a good starting

2054
01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>point right there, I would say. But for the government

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01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:17.319
<v Speaker 2>to be hiring a government overall hiring the largest single

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<v Speaker 2>gainer of jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's not.

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<v Speaker 2>To say these guys don't These people don't go out

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<v Speaker 2>and spend money, but they don't produce anything. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>manufacture anything. All they do is produce misery for us

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of regulations and audits and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So again it's a bloated bureaucracy that needs to be called.

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<v Speaker 1>As you say, well, one other thing.

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<v Speaker 8>Also, their narrative will change here with that, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>after the first one hundred days or after the twentieth

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<v Speaker 8>this month, you know, their narrative always changes in about

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<v Speaker 8>weeks to ten days. But the militarization of the southern border,

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<v Speaker 8>that'll be the next one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like they are in search of something that

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01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:10.840
<v Speaker 2>is going to take hold to get them noticed by

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<v Speaker 2>the general public. But up to this point they are

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<v Speaker 2>on the you know, you have issues that are eighty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>They have chosen to take their flag in the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>percent category and that is just odd to say the least.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Bobby Jay, appreciate my brother. I appreciate the

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<v Speaker 2>phone call. You take care. Well, let's see, well we've

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<v Speaker 2>got somebody coming up here shortly. But yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the number of federal jobs and

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that not a single federal agency can actually

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<v Speaker 2>pass an audit, that is absolutely incredible. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I think would be very necessary is

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01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>you've heard me talk about this several times. There is

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01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:05.079
<v Speaker 2>a bill before Congress. It's been there since two thousand

2085
01:53:05.079 --> 01:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>and seven. It's passed in the House, it's gone on

2086
01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:10.680
<v Speaker 2>to the Senate, it's died in the Senate, it's never

2087
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:13.479
<v Speaker 2>made its way to the President. And there's a bill

2088
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<v Speaker 2>called the Reins Act, And what it basically says is

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<v Speaker 2>that any government agency that comes up with a regulation

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01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:24.720
<v Speaker 2>that would cost the taxpayers more than one hundred million dollars,

2091
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<v Speaker 2>that has to be voted on by Congress. Now, why

2092
01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:30.279
<v Speaker 2>would Congress, you know, we start hearing all this, you know,

2093
01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:34.439
<v Speaker 2>we've been hearing all this crap about constitutional crisis, that

2094
01:53:34.479 --> 01:53:38.039
<v Speaker 2>there's been a king installed, that we don't have a

2095
01:53:38.279 --> 01:53:41.760
<v Speaker 2>country that's done by a king. We don't have We're

2096
01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:44.640
<v Speaker 2>not a dictatorship, and this stuff shouldn't be done. Well,

2097
01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:49.079
<v Speaker 2>why in the hell has our legislators over the years

2098
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<v Speaker 2>allowed the regulation process that winds up costing us money

2099
01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that they're not stepping in and doing their job to

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<v Speaker 2>oversee these departments to make sure that these regulations that

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01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:06.600
<v Speaker 2>they're putting in makes sense before they basically in effect

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01:54:06.920 --> 01:54:10.640
<v Speaker 2>tax us through regulations. And so there has been so

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01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:13.439
<v Speaker 2>much as far as the federal government is concerned, that

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01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:16.479
<v Speaker 2>they've pushed this back off to these agencies, whether it

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01:54:16.560 --> 01:54:19.439
<v Speaker 2>be the EPA or the FDA and say, oh, you know,

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01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:21.920
<v Speaker 2>we don't want to get involved in this. You guys,

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01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:23.840
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and regulate that. We'll just give you a

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01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:27.199
<v Speaker 2>blank check. That is ridiculous. You see that on the

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01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:30.920
<v Speaker 2>county level, you see where in the past, all the

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01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:33.479
<v Speaker 2>things that went on in the county, whether it's the roads,

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01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:36.439
<v Speaker 2>whether it's libraries, whether it was parks, whether it was

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01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:39.560
<v Speaker 2>any of this sort of stuff that was done by

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01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the individual county and county commissioners. Well, because you have

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01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the schools that are, you know, constantly needing more and

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01:54:47.960 --> 01:54:50.680
<v Speaker 2>more and more money, what you do is you set

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01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>up a school board and put that outside the county

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01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:59.239
<v Speaker 2>commissioner's purview, and then it's up to them to handle

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01:54:59.279 --> 01:55:03.119
<v Speaker 2>their budget and put the tax amount onto the real

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01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:06.359
<v Speaker 2>estate bill. And so if that goes up and people

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01:55:06.399 --> 01:55:09.600
<v Speaker 2>complain about it. Then the county commissioners can say, oh,

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01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:11.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's the school board, we got nothing to

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01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:14.520
<v Speaker 2>do with that. Well what about the library, Oh no,

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01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:15.760
<v Speaker 2>that's library commission.

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01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:16.199
<v Speaker 1>They do that.

2125
01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:19.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's just all this passing the buck instead of

2126
01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:23.359
<v Speaker 2>stepping up and saying what's the best for taxpayers. And

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01:55:23.399 --> 01:55:26.199
<v Speaker 2>when you go into some of these governmental agencies and

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01:55:26.239 --> 01:55:29.119
<v Speaker 2>you start looking at some of the stuff that is

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01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:32.840
<v Speaker 2>being done. You know, Thomas Massey was judge executive and

2130
01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I've got a bone to pick with him, and I

2131
01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:36.399
<v Speaker 2>might get to that by the end of the show,

2132
01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>but I've been trying to hold off on it. But anyway,

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01:55:39.319 --> 01:55:42.399
<v Speaker 2>he started out as judge executive in Lewis County and

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01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:45.720
<v Speaker 2>when he was elected, he started going through the budget

2135
01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:48.079
<v Speaker 2>and saying, well, what's this number, what's this number, what's

2136
01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:48.720
<v Speaker 2>this number?

2137
01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:49.439
<v Speaker 1>What is this?

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01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:52.840
<v Speaker 2>You know we're paying for this, what is this? In

2139
01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:55.479
<v Speaker 2>the first year, I believe in the first year of

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01:55:55.560 --> 01:55:59.039
<v Speaker 2>him being judge executive down Lewis County, he saved as

2141
01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:03.960
<v Speaker 2>much money and cut they were getting billed for traff

2142
01:56:04.159 --> 01:56:08.760
<v Speaker 2>or a street lamp, or electricity for a building that

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01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:12.760
<v Speaker 2>they had sold four or five years before that, and

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01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:15.039
<v Speaker 2>they were just you know, every month, paying the bill,

2145
01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:17.920
<v Speaker 2>paying the bill, paying the bill, you know, and he

2146
01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:20.600
<v Speaker 2>wound up saving in the first year of him being

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01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:25.319
<v Speaker 2>at Lewis County his salary. And you know, there's where

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01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:28.359
<v Speaker 2>you get somebody that comes in and rolls up the

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01:56:28.399 --> 01:56:30.560
<v Speaker 2>sleeves and looks at what's going on as far as

2150
01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:33.359
<v Speaker 2>the budgets are concerned. That's where you find these numbers.

2151
01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:36.279
<v Speaker 2>And if we had people in all levels of government

2152
01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:39.439
<v Speaker 2>that cared about those kinds of things, you would have

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01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:40.359
<v Speaker 2>this eliminated.

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01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Now.

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01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I have said in the past and from my workings

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01:56:43.640 --> 01:56:48.640
<v Speaker 2>with my individual city, my county, my state, I would

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01:56:48.680 --> 01:56:51.840
<v Speaker 2>say that there isn't a city out there that can't

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01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:56.680
<v Speaker 2>go through their budget and find probably about ten percent waste, fraud,

2159
01:56:56.680 --> 01:57:00.159
<v Speaker 2>and abuse. And it may be just waste, it may

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01:57:00.199 --> 01:57:04.079
<v Speaker 2>just be ineffective contracts that they've signed with people.

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01:57:04.319 --> 01:57:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Ten percent.

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01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:07.640
<v Speaker 2>You can go to the county level and that number

2163
01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:10.840
<v Speaker 2>probably goes up to fifteen, maybe twenty percent. By the

2164
01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:13.560
<v Speaker 2>time you get to the government of the state government

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01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:15.880
<v Speaker 2>that can be as high as forty And I wouldn't

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01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.640
<v Speaker 2>doubt that in our federal government there is probably close

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01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:21.199
<v Speaker 2>to a fifty percent amount that could be cut out

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01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of the budget and nobody would miss it. You've seen

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01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:26.720
<v Speaker 2>all the stories about Doze, some of the money that

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01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:29.800
<v Speaker 2>we've been spending money on, and you know, it is

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01:57:29.880 --> 01:57:33.439
<v Speaker 2>incredible how they can come up with these experiments, and

2172
01:57:33.439 --> 01:57:35.680
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna We're gonna run this, We're gonna figure out

2173
01:57:35.720 --> 01:57:39.479
<v Speaker 2>how to what the effect of is transitioning rats.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that stuff is nuts.

2175
01:57:41.880 --> 01:57:44.199
<v Speaker 2>You know Sesame Street and you know you heard about

2176
01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:46.880
<v Speaker 2>this stuff all the time, you know, Sesame Street funding,

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01:57:46.880 --> 01:57:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Sesame Street over in Iraq. I mean all this stuff,

2178
01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and I wonder, you know, why are we paying so

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01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>much in terms of foreign aid to all these countries.

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01:57:56.159 --> 01:57:57.960
<v Speaker 2>And then when you start when I start hearing all

2181
01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:00.520
<v Speaker 2>this crap about the tariffs, and they say, oh, well,

2182
01:58:00.720 --> 01:58:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, tariffs have their place because when you're a

2183
01:58:03.720 --> 01:58:07.239
<v Speaker 2>developing country, you need to have these tariffs so that

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01:58:07.359 --> 01:58:09.680
<v Speaker 2>you can prevent you know, goods coming in, you know,

2185
01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:11.800
<v Speaker 2>so that you can build up your country and build

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01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:14.680
<v Speaker 2>up your manufacturing to the point where you can now

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01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:19.439
<v Speaker 2>have a good economy. Why is China still considered a

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01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:25.319
<v Speaker 2>developing country? Yes, they are still wto considered when they

2189
01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:30.239
<v Speaker 2>joined wto World Trade Organization back in the early two thousands,

2190
01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:34.079
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and during the what was it Clinton past,

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01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I put that through. Okay, so they are a developing country, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a nuke, they have one of the largest

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01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:43.800
<v Speaker 2>standing armies. They're building their navy like crazy. They're not

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01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a developing country. And another side note, why in the

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01:58:48.359 --> 01:58:53.000
<v Speaker 2>hell are they spending or doing the manufacturing. We saw

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01:58:53.079 --> 01:58:57.279
<v Speaker 2>that during COVID the pandemic, when you saw the amount

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01:58:57.279 --> 01:59:00.760
<v Speaker 2>of medicines that they're building that they're manufa over there,

2198
01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the PPE, the personal protection equipment, and all the goods

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01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:06.720
<v Speaker 2>that we were buying or that we were getting from

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01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:10.479
<v Speaker 2>China through their slave labor, their slave labor camps.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, you go back to the Cold War.

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01:59:14.319 --> 01:59:18.560
<v Speaker 2>We didn't have factories, we didn't offshore our manufacturing to

2203
01:59:18.640 --> 01:59:24.439
<v Speaker 2>the USSR, we didn't offshore our stuff to the communist countries. No,

2204
01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:27.760
<v Speaker 2>they were enemies of ours in the Cold War, and

2205
01:59:27.840 --> 01:59:30.640
<v Speaker 2>yet now we've got probably one of the biggest security

2206
01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:34.119
<v Speaker 2>threats China. They're not they're not a friend of ours.

2207
01:59:34.159 --> 01:59:37.840
<v Speaker 2>They're an adversary. And when you look at the technology

2208
01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:41.359
<v Speaker 2>that they steal and so on, why are they still

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<v Speaker 2>considered a developing country. Unbelievable, and I kind of questioned

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01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:49.840
<v Speaker 2>any of our so called business leaders that thought, hey,

2211
01:59:49.880 --> 01:59:53.960
<v Speaker 2>this is a great idea. We'll offshore this manufacturing to

2212
01:59:54.199 --> 01:59:57.600
<v Speaker 2>this country that hates us, but hey, we can shave

2213
01:59:57.680 --> 01:59:59.960
<v Speaker 2>some money off this product and make more money.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Five one three, seven four nine fifty five hundred one

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02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:06.239
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred day two three talk one eight hundred day

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<v Speaker 2>two three eight two five five pound five point fifty

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02:00:08.720 --> 02:00:11.840
<v Speaker 2>AT and T wireless phone. Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,

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02:00:11.960 --> 02:00:14.439
<v Speaker 2>fifty five KRC the talk station.

2220
02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:16.479
<v Speaker 12>Fifty five KRC.

2221
02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Eight twenty two.

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02:00:23.319 --> 02:00:25.560
<v Speaker 2>In the morning, Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty

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02:00:25.560 --> 02:00:29.199
<v Speaker 2>five kr C the talk station phone number seven five

2224
02:00:29.279 --> 02:00:31.720
<v Speaker 2>one three, seven four nine fifty five hundred one eight

2225
02:00:31.800 --> 02:00:34.520
<v Speaker 2>hundred day two three talk one eight hundred eight two

2226
02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:38.199
<v Speaker 2>three eight two five five pound five point fifty on

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02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:40.720
<v Speaker 2>that AT and T wireless phone. I kind of almost

2228
02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:43.439
<v Speaker 2>hesitate to bring this up, but I'm gonna do it

2229
02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:46.600
<v Speaker 2>anyway because it was on channel Channel Twelves News and

2230
02:00:46.640 --> 02:00:52.119
<v Speaker 2>it's on their website. Instead of holding a traditional Good Friday,

2231
02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a local church of Good Friday services a local church

2232
02:00:55.880 --> 02:01:00.760
<v Speaker 2>is giving out free gas cards. Serve Pastor Serve Church

2233
02:01:00.840 --> 02:01:04.479
<v Speaker 2>pastor Victor Philip told Local twelve that he has an

2234
02:01:04.479 --> 02:01:07.119
<v Speaker 2>opportunity for him to make his ministry out, take his

2235
02:01:07.359 --> 02:01:10.840
<v Speaker 2>ministry outside the walls of his church in Northside. I

2236
02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:13.159
<v Speaker 2>think quote from him, I think there's a lot that

2237
02:01:13.239 --> 02:01:16.239
<v Speaker 2>our nation has experienced. There's a lot to complain about,

2238
02:01:16.520 --> 02:01:19.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of uncertainty. I think one thing that need

2239
02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:21.439
<v Speaker 2>to see is that someone is thinking about their neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what this is all about. Free gas giveaway

2241
02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:28.039
<v Speaker 2>is Friday at six pm at the BP Gas station

2242
02:01:28.439 --> 02:01:33.840
<v Speaker 2>located at two forty nine West Mitchell Avenue. Now, I

2243
02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:36.439
<v Speaker 2>will say that if you are going to show up

2244
02:01:36.479 --> 02:01:40.319
<v Speaker 2>for that, maybe do thank him for doing that and

2245
02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:46.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe consider a donation, possibly to the church, or maybe

2246
02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:48.720
<v Speaker 2>at least a pat on the back to the guy

2247
02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:51.000
<v Speaker 2>for doing this. I think this is one of those

2248
02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:54.760
<v Speaker 2>things where you know, it's an opportunity for him to

2249
02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:57.760
<v Speaker 2>reach out to other people and to show that, as

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02:01:57.800 --> 02:02:01.319
<v Speaker 2>he mentioned, people that care. But again it would be

2251
02:02:01.319 --> 02:02:03.840
<v Speaker 2>best if we return the favor to him as well.

2252
02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:08.479
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's my two cents worth on that. Now

2253
02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you know we don't have time to get into this,

2254
02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:16.079
<v Speaker 2>but all this nonsense about tariffs and what we're seeing

2255
02:02:16.119 --> 02:02:21.119
<v Speaker 2>as far as the economy and whatever, now I am convinced.

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02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm more and more convinced when I look at retail

2257
02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.840
<v Speaker 2>sales up, when I look at the job market is strong, steady,

2258
02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:30.800
<v Speaker 2>when I look at unemployment rate is down, when I

2259
02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:33.359
<v Speaker 2>look at housing starts. The only thing that I have

2260
02:02:33.439 --> 02:02:37.960
<v Speaker 2>seen recently that has been a downturn is manufacturing in

2261
02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:41.680
<v Speaker 2>terms of their index is concerned and they're put through

2262
02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and so on. But everything else in this economy is

2263
02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:48.039
<v Speaker 2>doing rather well. And as a matter of fact, I'm

2264
02:02:48.079 --> 02:02:52.760
<v Speaker 2>seeing stuff on reports as far as the retail sales

2265
02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>numbers actually blew us away because it was unexpected unexpectedly high.

2266
02:03:01.079 --> 02:03:03.640
<v Speaker 2>What I'm seeing in the spoon fed regurgitators in the

2267
02:03:03.640 --> 02:03:07.239
<v Speaker 2>mainstream media, in my opinion, is what they are trying

2268
02:03:07.279 --> 02:03:13.760
<v Speaker 2>to do is manufacture a recession. The recession numbers aren't there,

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02:03:14.079 --> 02:03:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and let's not forget over the previous four years. They

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02:03:17.680 --> 02:03:20.640
<v Speaker 2>would bite their tongue off before they even admitted anything

2271
02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:23.680
<v Speaker 2>or even said the R word. We had two back

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02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:26.479
<v Speaker 2>to back quarters in twenty twenty two, where the first

2273
02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:30.920
<v Speaker 2>quarter in the second quarter were negative economic growth by all,

2274
02:03:32.439 --> 02:03:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the definition of a recession has always been two or

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02:03:37.039 --> 02:03:41.359
<v Speaker 2>more or at least two quarters of negative economic growth.

2276
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:44.920
<v Speaker 2>We had that in twenty twenty two, but we had

2277
02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:48.159
<v Speaker 2>them telling us at the time that, no, you've got

2278
02:03:48.199 --> 02:03:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to look at employment. You got to look at the

2279
02:03:49.680 --> 02:03:51.319
<v Speaker 2>stock market, you got to look at this, you got

2280
02:03:51.319 --> 02:03:52.720
<v Speaker 2>to look at this, you got to look at all

2281
02:03:52.720 --> 02:03:54.520
<v Speaker 2>these things in terms of wages, you got to look

2282
02:03:54.520 --> 02:03:58.840
<v Speaker 2>at hours, productivity, all this stuff. And then after a

2283
02:03:58.880 --> 02:04:00.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of months, you look at that and then make

2284
02:04:00.880 --> 02:04:03.560
<v Speaker 2>the determination that, oh, maybe we went into a recession

2285
02:04:03.560 --> 02:04:06.359
<v Speaker 2>a month or two ago. Well, no, you go back

2286
02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:09.800
<v Speaker 2>to the definition of back to back quarters. We have

2287
02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:12.079
<v Speaker 2>not even gotten to the first end, the end of

2288
02:04:12.119 --> 02:04:15.239
<v Speaker 2>the first quarter of the Trump administration. That doesn't happen

2289
02:04:15.319 --> 02:04:18.239
<v Speaker 2>until the end. We won't see those numbers. We're into

2290
02:04:18.279 --> 02:04:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the second quarter. I realized that March was the first quarter,

2291
02:04:21.880 --> 02:04:24.760
<v Speaker 2>but we don't see the numbers from that from the

2292
02:04:26.039 --> 02:04:29.439
<v Speaker 2>Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Commerce Department. We don't

2293
02:04:29.479 --> 02:04:32.319
<v Speaker 2>see the GDP numbers until the end of this month

2294
02:04:32.640 --> 02:04:35.119
<v Speaker 2>and the end of this month and the first part

2295
02:04:35.119 --> 02:04:38.439
<v Speaker 2>of next month. And so when we look at these

2296
02:04:38.520 --> 02:04:42.640
<v Speaker 2>numbers and we then have an idea whether or not

2297
02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:45.560
<v Speaker 2>there was negative growth or not. I've seen numbers all

2298
02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:48.560
<v Speaker 2>over the place. In the beginning of the year, they

2299
02:04:48.560 --> 02:04:51.880
<v Speaker 2>were talking about a three point one percent GDP, then

2300
02:04:51.920 --> 02:04:54.239
<v Speaker 2>they brought it down to two point five. Now they're

2301
02:04:54.279 --> 02:04:56.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about a possibility of negative growth, and then I'm

2302
02:04:57.000 --> 02:04:59.439
<v Speaker 2>seeing other numbers, So it's all over the board. We

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02:04:59.520 --> 02:05:02.359
<v Speaker 2>won't know those things, and then even if there is

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02:05:02.479 --> 02:05:05.399
<v Speaker 2>negative growth in the first quarter, we won't know whether

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02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:08.000
<v Speaker 2>or not we're truly in a recession until the second quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>And all this stuff in terms of I'm seeing numbers

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02:05:10.279 --> 02:05:13.960
<v Speaker 2>as far as the the it was a home builders association.

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<v Speaker 2>They were talking about seeing rising prices because of tariffs. Well,

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02:05:18.479 --> 02:05:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the tariffs didn't go into effect until April to second

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<v Speaker 2>and the numbers that were collected for these statistics going

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<v Speaker 2>into the home builders Association was through March. So looking

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<v Speaker 2>at a calendar, if I'm not mistaken, April comes after March.

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<v Speaker 2>So if something goes into effect in April, that sure

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<v Speaker 2>as hell isn't going to affect anything in March. So

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm guessing is that there's some people getting ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of this and saying, oh, we think prices are going

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<v Speaker 2>to go up, and take advantage of that and raising

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02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:52.640
<v Speaker 2>their prices in anticipation, which I think is wrong because

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02:05:52.680 --> 02:05:55.319
<v Speaker 2>either you're paying a higher price for that or you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you're trying to pass that along to the consumer,

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02:05:58.039 --> 02:06:00.760
<v Speaker 2>that's not fair anyway. Coming up the bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking to Lindy Zimbroch, she is

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<v Speaker 2>the executive director of care Net and talk about their

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<v Speaker 2>great services and their banquet on May the eighth, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that you attend that. I think they still

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<v Speaker 2>have some openings. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five KRC, the Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 12>This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight thirty two in the morning. Kevin Gordon in for

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, the Talk Station. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to welcome to the program Lindy Zimbroch. She is the

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<v Speaker 2>executive director of car Net Northern Kentucky and I had

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity this past Monday to tour their cold Spring

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02:06:39.079 --> 02:06:43.640
<v Speaker 2>facility and what a great organization. I'm glad that I've

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02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:47.039
<v Speaker 2>found you over the years from a mutual friend of ours,

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02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and I truly believe this is an organization is doing

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02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:55.760
<v Speaker 2>great work in the area for anybody that is finding

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<v Speaker 2>in a what they refer to as a pregnancy or

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02:07:02.720 --> 02:07:06.520
<v Speaker 2>well anyway, let me you explain better than I do

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<v Speaker 2>about your organization.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, we're a christ centered organization that meets people where

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02:07:14.199 --> 02:07:18.720
<v Speaker 11>they are when they're facing pregnancy. We offer support before, during,

2343
02:07:18.720 --> 02:07:22.159
<v Speaker 11>and after that unplanned pregnancy, and during that time we

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02:07:22.279 --> 02:07:25.600
<v Speaker 11>uplift the sanctity of human life. Then we have three

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02:07:25.640 --> 02:07:31.560
<v Speaker 11>centers in northern Kentucky. We offer a pregnancy test, an ultrasound,

2346
02:07:32.319 --> 02:07:35.520
<v Speaker 11>and then we provide any of the services that they

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02:07:35.560 --> 02:07:40.399
<v Speaker 11>would need beyond that, such as parenting education classes, great

2348
02:07:40.479 --> 02:07:47.319
<v Speaker 11>relationships classes, looking at adoption, or even helping them to plan,

2349
02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:49.720
<v Speaker 11>you know, for the new for the new baby they

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02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:51.760
<v Speaker 11>bring into into this world.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, and that is call it crisis

2352
02:07:57.600 --> 02:07:58.680
<v Speaker 2>pregnancy centers.

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02:07:59.319 --> 02:08:05.319
<v Speaker 1>But this is when somebody is pregnant and.

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02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:13.039
<v Speaker 2>They are in I guess a panic situation for lack

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02:08:13.079 --> 02:08:17.560
<v Speaker 2>of a better term, there are the options for them.

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<v Speaker 2>There are too many people that want to push the

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02:08:20.199 --> 02:08:24.239
<v Speaker 2>one particular option, and that is abortion. But they don't

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02:08:24.279 --> 02:08:28.359
<v Speaker 2>realize that how many people out their care as you

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02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:31.880
<v Speaker 2>just described all the services that you provide and how

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02:08:31.920 --> 02:08:34.600
<v Speaker 2>many things that you can do not only through the pregnancy,

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02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:37.520
<v Speaker 2>but after the pregnancy and follow up and making sure

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02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:41.119
<v Speaker 2>even to the extent of adoption and so on. And

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that some of these organizations, like Planned Parenthood,

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02:08:45.159 --> 02:08:48.159
<v Speaker 2>they take people in the most vulnerable period of time

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02:08:48.640 --> 02:08:51.279
<v Speaker 2>and just give them one option and try to force

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02:08:51.359 --> 02:08:55.439
<v Speaker 2>something down their throat where years later or months later,

2367
02:08:55.600 --> 02:08:58.680
<v Speaker 2>weeks later, they may say, what the hell did I do?

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<v Speaker 2>That was the worst decision I ever made. And to

2369
02:09:02.000 --> 02:09:06.560
<v Speaker 2>take somebody who's vulnerable and prey upon that vulnerability, I think,

2370
02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:08.520
<v Speaker 2>well is criminal.

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<v Speaker 4>In my opinion, yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 11>And the fact that they don't help and helping them

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02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:17.720
<v Speaker 11>pick the pieces up or provide healing for that situation.

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<v Speaker 11>They just deny that there would be any emotional turmoil

2375
02:09:22.199 --> 02:09:25.359
<v Speaker 11>after choosing to end the life of your own child.

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<v Speaker 11>We do provide a post abortion healing and we work

2377
02:09:30.359 --> 02:09:34.760
<v Speaker 11>with women who have you know, undergone and experienced abortion

2378
02:09:35.359 --> 02:09:38.520
<v Speaker 11>and we help provide healing to them. And we're very

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02:09:38.560 --> 02:09:43.640
<v Speaker 11>compassionate because we know many of these women often find

2380
02:09:43.680 --> 02:09:47.520
<v Speaker 11>themselves they've had an abortion, now they wish to carry

2381
02:09:47.520 --> 02:09:50.199
<v Speaker 11>a pregnancy, and when they begin to look at the

2382
02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:54.319
<v Speaker 11>fetal development during their pregnancy, then they're hit, you know,

2383
02:09:54.439 --> 02:09:57.760
<v Speaker 11>right in the face with the fact that they've ended

2384
02:09:57.760 --> 02:10:00.840
<v Speaker 11>the life of their child because they did not they

2385
02:10:00.880 --> 02:10:04.399
<v Speaker 11>weren't provided that information. The word they are to offer

2386
02:10:04.479 --> 02:10:09.199
<v Speaker 11>them all of the information about their options. And what

2387
02:10:09.279 --> 02:10:12.600
<v Speaker 11>we see is when we provide that information to them,

2388
02:10:13.159 --> 02:10:16.119
<v Speaker 11>they will choose life ninety percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and we need to take a quick break here,

2390
02:10:19.199 --> 02:10:22.239
<v Speaker 2>but I just do want to mention this is the

2391
02:10:22.279 --> 02:10:26.439
<v Speaker 2>fact that you know when somebody you know, I don't.

2392
02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:30.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how somebody wouldn't have a situation that

2393
02:10:30.840 --> 02:10:34.239
<v Speaker 2>if they end a pregnancy, that they know when the

2394
02:10:34.279 --> 02:10:37.840
<v Speaker 2>possible due date was, or at least approximately when they

2395
02:10:37.920 --> 02:10:41.680
<v Speaker 2>see newborns, when they see a one year old, a

2396
02:10:41.720 --> 02:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>two year old, a three year old, four year old

2397
02:10:44.039 --> 02:10:47.560
<v Speaker 2>after their abortion, How that can't affect them at some

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02:10:47.720 --> 02:10:50.520
<v Speaker 2>point in time, whether it's immediate or whether it's down

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02:10:50.520 --> 02:10:55.520
<v Speaker 2>the road. There's got to be some mental problems with that,

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02:10:55.840 --> 02:10:58.119
<v Speaker 2>or some guilt or whatever. And the one thing I

2401
02:10:58.159 --> 02:11:01.359
<v Speaker 2>would stress more than anything else that anybody that has

2402
02:11:01.439 --> 02:11:04.439
<v Speaker 2>had an abortion, if you are thinking in terms of this.

2403
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<v Speaker 2>If you are being stressed by this, if you are

2404
02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:12.319
<v Speaker 2>feeling depressed about this, speak to somebody, Go out find

2405
02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the compassion. And people like karenet to speak to because

2406
02:11:15.920 --> 02:11:19.039
<v Speaker 2>they are not going to judge, they are there to help.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course my guest is Lindy Zimbroch. She is

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<v Speaker 2>the executive director here in Northern Kentucky. We'll pick this

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<v Speaker 2>up on the other side of the break. I'm Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the talk station,

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<v Speaker 2>eight forty.

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<v Speaker 1>One in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five krs the

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<v Speaker 2>talk station, speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>With her on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>And my guess, Lindy Zimbroch is zembro She is executive

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02:11:45.800 --> 02:11:51.039
<v Speaker 2>director of Northern Kentucky and Caronet. And again during the

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<v Speaker 2>facility there on Monday, was a big pleasure learning about

2419
02:11:55.640 --> 02:11:59.319
<v Speaker 2>all the services that you provide. And thanks for hanging

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02:11:59.359 --> 02:12:00.640
<v Speaker 2>with us. Certainly appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a banquet coming up on May the eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>There's still some availability or open spots possible.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, we have a few spots. We're down to the

2425
02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:19.159
<v Speaker 11>last minute planning. But if we have cancelations. We're able

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02:12:19.199 --> 02:12:22.880
<v Speaker 11>to work people in. So someone's interested in attending the banquet,

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02:12:23.399 --> 02:12:29.399
<v Speaker 11>they just contact us online at carnetnky dot org and

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02:12:29.680 --> 02:12:32.840
<v Speaker 11>they can submit, you know, a request. We have a

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<v Speaker 11>waiting list right now, but we have over eight hundred. Yeah,

2430
02:12:36.479 --> 02:12:39.760
<v Speaker 11>we have over eight hundred guests that attend. It is

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02:12:39.800 --> 02:12:43.399
<v Speaker 11>to sit down dinner. It is a fundraiser and we

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<v Speaker 11>will be hearing from one of our clients that evening

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02:12:48.199 --> 02:12:52.199
<v Speaker 11>that's experienced care Net who is now an employee at

2434
02:12:52.279 --> 02:12:54.199
<v Speaker 11>care net and works with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good.

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<v Speaker 11>We're so glad to have her. She's bilingual and she's

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02:12:58.079 --> 02:13:03.000
<v Speaker 11>able to help us with German, also Spanish. But we're

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02:13:03.039 --> 02:13:06.680
<v Speaker 11>going to feature her because you know, she's she's a

2439
02:13:06.680 --> 02:13:10.199
<v Speaker 11>single mom and she's experienced it on both ends and

2440
02:13:10.239 --> 02:13:14.000
<v Speaker 11>now she's there to help other people. But we do

2441
02:13:14.079 --> 02:13:17.479
<v Speaker 11>have some spots and this, like I said, this is

2442
02:13:17.520 --> 02:13:21.079
<v Speaker 11>a fundraiser and if you can't get in, go to

2443
02:13:21.119 --> 02:13:24.319
<v Speaker 11>carenet nky dot org and help us with some of

2444
02:13:24.359 --> 02:13:27.520
<v Speaker 11>the things on our wish list. All of our programs

2445
02:13:27.560 --> 02:13:32.039
<v Speaker 11>are incentivized, so after someone makes a decision to carry

2446
02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:35.520
<v Speaker 11>a pregnancy and they weren't expecting of course to carry

2447
02:13:35.560 --> 02:13:38.359
<v Speaker 11>a pregnancy. There's a lot of work that needs to

2448
02:13:38.399 --> 02:13:41.159
<v Speaker 11>be done to help them be ready to welcome a

2449
02:13:41.239 --> 02:13:46.479
<v Speaker 11>child into their home, everything from teaching them about their pregnancy.

2450
02:13:47.479 --> 02:13:50.640
<v Speaker 11>For fathers, we also have a fatherhood program, but we

2451
02:13:50.760 --> 02:13:53.760
<v Speaker 11>want to walk alongside of them. They're assigned a mentor.

2452
02:13:53.800 --> 02:13:57.399
<v Speaker 11>It's a mentoring program and they earn items as they

2453
02:13:57.439 --> 02:14:00.880
<v Speaker 11>go through the program. They'll earn diapers, they are a

2454
02:14:00.920 --> 02:14:03.640
<v Speaker 11>safety item, which is a car seat in a baby bed.

2455
02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:08.039
<v Speaker 11>So you know, these programs can be costly, and what's

2456
02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:12.359
<v Speaker 11>really great is the community of people step up because

2457
02:14:12.359 --> 02:14:16.199
<v Speaker 11>they want to see people succeed and overcome and be

2458
02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:19.760
<v Speaker 11>able to provide for their children. And what we do

2459
02:14:19.920 --> 02:14:23.239
<v Speaker 11>is try to help establish a family unit that's very

2460
02:14:23.359 --> 02:14:27.279
<v Speaker 11>stable and then from there, you know, we help the

2461
02:14:27.319 --> 02:14:30.960
<v Speaker 11>workforce too, so you know, it's just a win win

2462
02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:35.199
<v Speaker 11>for everyone. We don't want to see people continue to

2463
02:14:35.199 --> 02:14:38.159
<v Speaker 11>be poverty stricken, so we're there to cheer lead them

2464
02:14:38.560 --> 02:14:42.920
<v Speaker 11>for higher education, for trade school and just you know,

2465
02:14:43.039 --> 02:14:46.159
<v Speaker 11>job placement. But we also we want to be there

2466
02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:49.800
<v Speaker 11>to provide the nurturing and the bonding that they need

2467
02:14:49.840 --> 02:14:51.920
<v Speaker 11>to learn how to initiate to their children.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely now one of the things you mentioned when I

2469
02:14:54.920 --> 02:14:57.119
<v Speaker 2>was there on Monday that you mentioned that you have

2470
02:14:57.279 --> 02:15:00.760
<v Speaker 2>people that are fluent in Spanish, and you said that

2471
02:15:00.840 --> 02:15:03.920
<v Speaker 2>there is a need in your organization for people that

2472
02:15:04.000 --> 02:15:08.840
<v Speaker 2>speak French that could possibly volunteer some time a volunteer.

2473
02:15:08.920 --> 02:15:13.359
<v Speaker 11>We actually have one paid position open to Okay, yeah,

2474
02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:18.359
<v Speaker 11>for our French speaking we need some help with some translation.

2475
02:15:19.199 --> 02:15:23.319
<v Speaker 11>And also you know, it's just a great way to

2476
02:15:23.720 --> 02:15:26.520
<v Speaker 11>help the populations that we see within a.

2477
02:15:26.399 --> 02:15:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Certainly certainly a call out to anybody that you know

2478
02:15:30.159 --> 02:15:32.680
<v Speaker 2>has some time and that could possibly either volunteer or

2479
02:15:32.880 --> 02:15:35.239
<v Speaker 2>looking for a paid position to do some of this translation,

2480
02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:38.199
<v Speaker 2>because we certainly want to get that position filled. But

2481
02:15:38.920 --> 02:15:42.239
<v Speaker 2>if anybody is interested in donating or at least learning

2482
02:15:42.239 --> 02:15:45.920
<v Speaker 2>about the organization and learning about what you do, the

2483
02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:47.880
<v Speaker 2>website would be again.

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02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:52.039
<v Speaker 11>Care net nky dot org.

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02:15:52.359 --> 02:15:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I would encourage anybody that at any stage,

2486
02:15:55.680 --> 02:16:02.840
<v Speaker 2>if you have, if you have kids, learn about this organization.

2487
02:16:03.039 --> 02:16:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Let your kids be familiar with this organization, because you

2488
02:16:05.800 --> 02:16:10.159
<v Speaker 2>never know when you might need this organization, and it

2489
02:16:10.279 --> 02:16:14.159
<v Speaker 2>certainly beats the alternative. And when you talk about I mean,

2490
02:16:14.520 --> 02:16:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I just heard a comment the other day when they're

2491
02:16:17.720 --> 02:16:21.279
<v Speaker 2>talking about this immigration and people being deported and so on.

2492
02:16:21.600 --> 02:16:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Somebody made the comment that, well, just think somebody that

2493
02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:29.199
<v Speaker 2>was deported that may be the person that becomes the

2494
02:16:29.279 --> 02:16:34.159
<v Speaker 2>scientist that cures cancer or that has this. Oh really, well,

2495
02:16:34.239 --> 02:16:36.399
<v Speaker 2>what about the number of children that have been boarded

2496
02:16:36.440 --> 02:16:39.399
<v Speaker 2>since nineteen seventy three? How about how many of those

2497
02:16:39.639 --> 02:16:43.760
<v Speaker 2>were scientists and possibly could have been productive. How many

2498
02:16:43.840 --> 02:16:46.920
<v Speaker 2>of them would have been productive members of society. So

2499
02:16:47.239 --> 02:16:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want you know, it's just ah, all this

2500
02:16:49.959 --> 02:16:52.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff and I just it just infuriates me.

2501
02:16:52.479 --> 02:16:56.520
<v Speaker 11>Well, we know that through our ultrasound program, we know

2502
02:16:56.639 --> 02:17:01.879
<v Speaker 11>that we've been able to rescue over two thousand and

2503
02:17:01.959 --> 02:17:07.319
<v Speaker 11>seventy six children from the hands of abortion, and we

2504
02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:12.600
<v Speaker 11>know that the parents that had those children were invited

2505
02:17:12.639 --> 02:17:16.399
<v Speaker 11>and equipped to be the best parents possible or to

2506
02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:17.719
<v Speaker 11>make an adoption plan.

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02:17:18.000 --> 02:17:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and I think one of the biggest and the

2508
02:17:20.680 --> 02:17:23.360
<v Speaker 2>best tools that you have is somebody coming in there

2509
02:17:23.520 --> 02:17:27.239
<v Speaker 2>and doing the ultrasound, because when you look at the

2510
02:17:27.319 --> 02:17:30.840
<v Speaker 2>at the graphic, when you see the ultrasound and realize

2511
02:17:30.959 --> 02:17:35.200
<v Speaker 2>that as early as seven weeks there is a heartbeat,

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02:17:35.280 --> 02:17:36.440
<v Speaker 2>well that.

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02:17:36.559 --> 02:17:39.559
<v Speaker 11>We can actually see that at six weeks, in five

2514
02:17:39.680 --> 02:17:44.200
<v Speaker 11>days thereabouts. Yeah, so we can bring those women in

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<v Speaker 11>early for that ultrasound and providing that type of service

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<v Speaker 11>also connects them into that early ob care so that

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<v Speaker 11>they're actually getting you know, getting the care that they

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<v Speaker 11>need health wise, so that they're getting their crenadal vitamins early.

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<v Speaker 11>Will start them out with our prenadal vitamins. Fantastic to

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<v Speaker 11>really help them with that pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Lendy, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope well, I know, I'll see you at the

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<v Speaker 2>banquet on the eighth May eighth, it's a Thursday, and

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to seeing you and seeing all the great

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<v Speaker 2>projects and the other people that are there and the

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<v Speaker 2>other services that are available. It's a wealth of knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's well worth everybody's attention to attend

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<v Speaker 2>and to get more information about your organization.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for.

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<v Speaker 11>Kevin, have a blessed, have a blessed good Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>You do the same, our guest, Lindy's umbrote executive director

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<v Speaker 2>Karen net Northern Kentucky phone numbers five, one, three, seven four,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will probably try to squeeze in a few

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls before the top of the hour. I'm Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon in for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRS.

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<v Speaker 12>The talk station fifty five KRC iib or fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Four tomorrow scattered showers and storms, mostly cloudy and greasy.

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<v Speaker 2>High of seventy five and a low of fifty six

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<v Speaker 2>Right now sixty one degrees. Fifty five KRC DE talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>Our final check of traffic from our friend Chuck in.

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<v Speaker 1>Run from the UCL Traffic Center.

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<v Speaker 16>The UC Cancer Center offers the latest research base and

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<v Speaker 16>holistic approaches to head net cancer.

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<v Speaker 5>Called five eighty five.

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<v Speaker 16>UCCC Highway traffic continues to look good on this good Friday.

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<v Speaker 16>Southbound seventy five, you're under twenty minutes from above Union

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<v Speaker 16>Center through downtown. Northbound seventy five and northbound four to

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<v Speaker 16>seventy one, both problem free on the bridges. Chucking Raman

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<v Speaker 16>fifty five KRC the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight fifty two.

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<v Speaker 2>In the morning, Kevin Bardon in for Brian Thomas, fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five KRC Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>We have had a busy day today.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked about a little bit about Tax Day, tax Freedom Day,

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<v Speaker 2>the cost that takes the American public to time, energy,

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<v Speaker 2>and money file their tax returns. Tax Freedom Day, which

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<v Speaker 2>was April to sixteenth, talked about the post office and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the inefficiencies there. We also talked to Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Hatter about tech on our Tech Friday, or as I

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<v Speaker 2>like to call it, Scare the hell out of your Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>which is probably is very necessary because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>great information from him always. We spoke with Ann Dickerson,

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<v Speaker 2>co founder and lead organizer of the Cincinnati chapter of Indivisible,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about all their protests, all things Trump that they've

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<v Speaker 2>been protesting throughout the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Lindy Zumbrot.

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<v Speaker 2>We just finished having a conversation with her, executive director

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<v Speaker 2>of Carinet Pregnancy Centers of Northern Kentucky and talking about

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<v Speaker 2>their banquet and all the great services that they provide. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as today being Good Friday, to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>take a moment and talk a little bit about that

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<v Speaker 2>and make sure that you know today when you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you hear when you have certain holidays, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>especially good Friday. Where we have like a Memorial Day

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that, it's not a celebration, it's a commemoration.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an honoring the fact. You know, Good Friday also

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<v Speaker 2>known as Holy Friday, Great Friday, Great and Holy Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>Friday of the Passion. It's a solemn Christian Holy day

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<v Speaker 2>commemorating the crucifixion of Jesus and his death at Calvary

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<v Speaker 2>or as they called it, Golgatha, and is observed in

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<v Speaker 2>the Holy Week as part of the Pascal Tritium. Now

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<v Speaker 2>imagine and if you think of nothing else but look

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<v Speaker 2>back at the Barbary of the Romans at the time

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<v Speaker 2>of crucifixion, of how being nailed to a cross and

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<v Speaker 2>the horrific death that that would be. And take a

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<v Speaker 2>moment today between new and three o'clock and just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of commemorate that idea, whether you're Christian or not, but

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<v Speaker 2>just think about the day itself and what it means,

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<v Speaker 2>and possibly spend some time, possibly in prayer, attending some services,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least acknowledging the fact in your mind of

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<v Speaker 2>what this day is all about, and of course the

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<v Speaker 2>Easter season itself. Folks, that does it for us. Stay

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<v Speaker 2>tuned for Glenn Beck coming up at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the hour. I'm Kevin Gordon in for Brian Thomas fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five kr SE, the talk station.

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<v Speaker 4>Covering Trump's first one hundred days.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day we stand on the verge of the four

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<v Speaker 2>greatest years in American history.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifty five krs the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>This report