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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. You

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<v Speaker 1>got a bunch of us back again. Third show for

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<v Speaker 1>the day, Can't Stop, Won't Stop, something like that, And

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<v Speaker 1>today I got a bunch of rejects with us and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be talking about occult and symbolism. That

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<v Speaker 1>topic was brought to you by the Headless Giant, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much. Hells. I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>great topic. But before we let Headless take this over,

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<v Speaker 1>we will have the other rejects introduce themselves. And I

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<v Speaker 1>got with me the occult reject mad scientist Lisa herself.

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Three for three? We've done three episodes today. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 3>have doing well and I'm very excited to be doing

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<v Speaker 3>something with just the rejects kind of partial to that

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<v Speaker 3>and just kind of thrown around, you know, our noggins

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<v Speaker 3>on the hand symbolism. So thank you for inviting me on,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, fellow rejects, and apologies for me interrupting you

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<v Speaker 3>here in the future of this episode. And the only

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<v Speaker 3>thing I'd like to plug is a cult Research Institute

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<v Speaker 3>dot org and you can find me on Twitter on

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<v Speaker 3>so lease Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, thank you very much. Hey, we got my man

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<v Speaker 1>jin Freda, Ninja Ninja whatever, friud of something else. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, good subing.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? Nick, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to echo what Lisa said. The Rejects

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<v Speaker 2>episodes are my personal favorite as well, not that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't obviously love a guest.

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's My show is a lot about guests. So but

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<v Speaker 2>I come on here really just talk to you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, that's for me. So I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say so, I just released an episode with Toby

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<v Speaker 2>Choppel Strange Angles, episode seventy two, so it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an axel. We'll call it an episode for me, so

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. And obviously Nick made the connect for me,

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<v Speaker 2>so thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously owe that to you, mister ninety three. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so and then obviously we Nick and I and Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Mara from The Gray Lodge came on and we did

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<v Speaker 2>a Kabala episode just the other day on Binna and Dath,

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<v Speaker 2>which was really cool and really good. I listened to

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<v Speaker 2>it back and a lot of people really liked it,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a great job on that and and Solar

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<v Speaker 2>co hosted. I should have said sorry Solar Exile, who

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<v Speaker 2>was on this show to doctor with doctor Stephen Flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>He co hosted the episode with Toby Chappel with me,

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<v Speaker 2>So shout out to him one hundred percent because it's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he's co hosting with me on the episode. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if people want to follow me and check out those

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<v Speaker 2>episodes Threshold Saints, at Threshold Saints IG and twitter x

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<v Speaker 2>and then at will cong Reborn, w UK and g Reborn.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my personal account and there's a lintry and Nicholas

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<v Speaker 2>throws it in the show notes, so just check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, Threshold Saints wherever you get your podcasts, Apple,

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<v Speaker 2>Spotify and Speaker all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you guys, awesome, thank you. Eh we got tyrone.

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Sir?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 5>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi?

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<v Speaker 5>Everything that you can find on me is on my website,

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<v Speaker 5>Rebirth at the word dot com. I'm glad to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to participate in this discussion. And if you are

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<v Speaker 5>interested in reading my book, Journey through the Origins of History,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a bestseller on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciating it of course, thank you, appreciate you, sir. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we got Tim Constantine joining us. What is going on, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey good? How are you good?

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<v Speaker 1>Good one?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've got a Sunday show over at Cult of Conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 6>That show is called Conspiracy Garden and my main show.

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<v Speaker 6>The best place to find me is excuse me sixth

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<v Speaker 6>Sensory podcast on all the major platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, of course, no, thank you. And we got my man,

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<v Speaker 1>the Headless Giant. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 7>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate this topic and everything. So let everybody know

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<v Speaker 1>who you are and take it away.

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<v Speaker 4>All right. You can find me on exit on YouTube

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<v Speaker 4>at the Headless Giant. I can be reached by email

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<v Speaker 4>for my Thursday night show. About your emails for our

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<v Speaker 4>listening pleasure, So you can email me at the Headless

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<v Speaker 4>Giant podcast at gmail dot com. And this Thursday we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be doing it again, so I hope to

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<v Speaker 4>see your email there and we'll get on with that.

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<v Speaker 4>Also tomorrow I've got the Trialogues with my boy Ethan

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<v Speaker 4>and with Ricardo, so that's going to be an awesome time.

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<v Speaker 4>We usually just come together and throw together a show

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<v Speaker 4>and it seems to work a lot of people like it,

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<v Speaker 4>so check it out. And today I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 4>into hand symbol. So if you've been watching The Rejects

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<v Speaker 4>for a while, you know that we try to do

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of anchoring where we're taking meaning from the

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<v Speaker 4>body and looking at the occult symbols that all match

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<v Speaker 4>up here. And to me, the hand is like one

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<v Speaker 4>of these ultimate symbols of magic and power and humanness really,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because our hands look way different from most

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<v Speaker 4>of the stuff that we're surrounded by, even by monkey pause.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, these are very uniquely human in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>our own way of perceiving it. So to start off with,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that it's important to know that there's a

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<v Speaker 4>fractaline level to the geometry in the hand. Right, So

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<v Speaker 4>you've got five fingers, right, the pentagram is five points,

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<v Speaker 4>and the pentagram can be infinitely scaled up or down

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<v Speaker 4>based off of the golden ratio, and just so happens,

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<v Speaker 4>you can find a lot of golden ratio in the

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<v Speaker 4>joints around your hand. So this thing is like our

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<v Speaker 4>connection to that greater spiral fractality that we see happening

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<v Speaker 4>with a lot of these geometric shapes. So it's hands

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<v Speaker 4>creating hands. Really, that's what humans are doing. This is

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<v Speaker 4>how we interact with our environment. This is the idea

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<v Speaker 4>of us being able to change our situation, us being

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<v Speaker 4>able to build in a situation. These are all very

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<v Speaker 4>important when it comes to magic. And so one of

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<v Speaker 4>the hands that I like to think about a lot

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<v Speaker 4>is the hand of Sebasios. This thing has got so

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<v Speaker 4>many symbols packed into it, just absolutely amazing. You've got

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<v Speaker 4>the cave where Zeus was nursed back to health. Down

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<v Speaker 4>on the wrist, You've got it looks like a pan

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<v Speaker 4>right there in the middle where the palm is. You've

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<v Speaker 4>got a pine cone on the thumb. You've got a

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<v Speaker 4>snake that wraps around the whole thing and then comes

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<v Speaker 4>up between the two fingers. And you could tell the

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<v Speaker 4>pose that it is in is in all the pictures

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<v Speaker 4>of Jesus Christ as well as the saints, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>pointing up towards Heaven, pointing down towards Hell. This mysterious

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<v Speaker 4>figurine was most likely put on top of a pole

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<v Speaker 4>so that everybody could see it. Right. This is like

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<v Speaker 4>the idol's idol. It's got all of these different mythologies,

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<v Speaker 4>it's all pressed together into one single figure, and this

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<v Speaker 4>was the hand of Sebazios. Now Sebazios is an interesting

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<v Speaker 4>god because it comes through this Thracian line. Sabazios was

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<v Speaker 4>always depicted as a young sort of strapping man on

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<v Speaker 4>a horse with a spear, and he was the son

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<v Speaker 4>of either Zeus in Persephone, which was sort of a

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<v Speaker 4>later interpretation, or Kyberlei through herself. Right, So Kyberlee is

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like this virgin priestess, so he was either

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<v Speaker 4>self born through Kyberlei, or he was kind of born

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<v Speaker 4>through Zeus and Persephone, the god goddess of the underworld.

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<v Speaker 4>And that union of Zeus and Persephone is pretty interesting too,

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<v Speaker 4>because this really goes into Dionysus, right. So Dionysus's original

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<v Speaker 4>form is this character called Zagrias, and Zagrius is a

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<v Speaker 4>god that was supposed to be formed between either Zeus

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<v Speaker 4>and Persephone or Hades in Persephony. And there's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>a disagreement there. Some people say that he's from Olympus,

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<v Speaker 4>some people say that he was born in the underworld.

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<v Speaker 4>But this Zagrias character would then be ripped apart by

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<v Speaker 4>the Titans, and this is one of the first retellings

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<v Speaker 4>of how mankind came into existence, because what we're said

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<v Speaker 4>to be is we're said to be gross material or

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<v Speaker 4>Titan flesh with divine spark within us. So as the

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<v Speaker 4>Titans consumed the body and bloe blood of this character Zagrias,

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<v Speaker 4>it put the spirit into mankind, into this gross material

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<v Speaker 4>flesh that's so familiar. Well, this idea of Zagrias moves on.

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<v Speaker 4>After he's shoot up. His heart is then placed into

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<v Speaker 4>the thigh of Zeus, and Zeus then bursts out with

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<v Speaker 4>this new character called Dionysus. And this is the Dionysian cycle,

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<v Speaker 4>in the first part of Dionysus' existence, and it said

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<v Speaker 4>that this Dionysian character is like the son of God

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<v Speaker 4>and the ultimate truth or the ultimate God of this world.

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<v Speaker 4>And so there's a lot of crossover between these Thracian

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<v Speaker 4>mysteries and Dionysus and Jesus for that matter. So as

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<v Speaker 4>you see on that thumb, you can see the pine cone. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>Dionysus carried a pine cone on his walking stick, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is out in front of the Vatican today. You've

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<v Speaker 4>got that massive pine cone still in existence, still sort

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<v Speaker 4>of keeping that dian Ician feel to the Vatican, which

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<v Speaker 4>is almost like a continuation of these Thracian mysteries through

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<v Speaker 4>Kaibali and all the rest of it. They kind of

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<v Speaker 4>kept this character, they kind of kept it alive. So

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<v Speaker 4>this all comes through the hand symbol. Now, one of

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<v Speaker 4>the things that I found interesting about this hand symbol

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<v Speaker 4>as well is the idea in dactyls, and the idea

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<v Speaker 4>in Dactyls were like these gods of sport, right, the

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<v Speaker 4>Dactyls of Mount Ida in crete. Mount Ida is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the holiest mountains for all of Greece, invented the

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<v Speaker 4>art of working metals into usable shapes with fire. So

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<v Speaker 4>this is one of the gods. This would be the

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<v Speaker 4>let me see here, what's his name? It's not letting

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<v Speaker 4>me screw it anyways. So Hiphestus is one of these

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<v Speaker 4>idea in dactyls, right, and then the cory Bante's are

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<v Speaker 4>also integrated with that too, and the Dactyli are like

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<v Speaker 4>the five fingers of the gods. Heracles is also one

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<v Speaker 4>of these five fingers and instigated the Olympic Games. So,

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<v Speaker 4>as you know, in ancient Greece they love to have

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<v Speaker 4>these naked Olympic sports, and all of that was actually

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<v Speaker 4>in service to these id in dactyls. Right, these are

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<v Speaker 4>like the highest competitive characters within their pantheon. So anytime

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<v Speaker 4>they would win a battle, they'd be like, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody strip naked, we're having the Olympics, we're having games, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Because this was sort of in service to their gods.

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<v Speaker 4>As they were expending their energy and showing who is

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<v Speaker 4>the best out of everybody gathered, they were also establishing

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<v Speaker 4>a pecking order that was sort of a grand to

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<v Speaker 4>them by the gods. So their hyper competitiveness on the

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<v Speaker 4>sport field also translated into hyper competitiveness on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 4>So all of these sports have to do with the

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<v Speaker 4>will of the gods as it's coming through them, and

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<v Speaker 4>you can see over and over again these sports sort

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<v Speaker 4>of take the attention of the population almost as if

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<v Speaker 4>it's a religious ritual, and you find all the religious

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<v Speaker 4>symbolism within sport all having to do with, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>who wins and who loses in these symbolic fights, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>proving who's the top of the heap. And if you

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<v Speaker 4>think about the hands and what they're capable of producing

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<v Speaker 4>reverence paid at these different sporting events. How there's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of an alternate identity created, and the entertainment of it

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<v Speaker 4>look at the mascots of these different sporting teams. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it changes the colors of different regions, and these colors

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<v Speaker 4>experience in that kind of situation. So you can almost

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<v Speaker 4>use these as a magico religious symbol to influence the

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<v Speaker 4>population through sport. And that's my presentation on the hand symbolism,

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<v Speaker 6>Pine combe element to this, and I might be jumping

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<v Speaker 6>ahead here, but I'm always down and learn more about

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<v Speaker 6>why the ancients were depicted holding the pine cone. But

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<v Speaker 6>I'll say this that you brought up Persephone, it does

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<v Speaker 6>remind me of her in the sense that she was

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<v Speaker 6>often depicted holding a pomegranate, which is like a symbol

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<v Speaker 6>for life, death, rebirth, and divinity.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote a book using the pomegranates in the name,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it is used for like a cult.

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry, and the whole then I'll cap it off with this.

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<v Speaker 6>The whole rebirth divinity thing I find super interesting because

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<v Speaker 6>kings like Oshrabono Paul or Nebu Kenezer even were trying

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<v Speaker 6>rebirth that would give way to divinity. They were trying

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<v Speaker 6>to deify, it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>But it all goes back to symbolism.

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<v Speaker 4>Tim. Think about where all the apostle Paul set his

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<v Speaker 4>letters up in Turkey, right, Those are all the Thracian homelands, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So those are the same kinds of crossover there with

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<v Speaker 4>his dying and resurrecting Savior, and that's where he's sending

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if I could kind of expand upon the thumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Nick and I have had this discussion which is

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<v Speaker 3>interesting because you've said something about, you know, your rituals

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<v Speaker 3>So there is engin please this kind of I know

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of like I believe the body lay lines

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<v Speaker 3>or reflexology. They believe that the thumb is connected to

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<v Speaker 3>the pineal gland. Well, okay, so the concept is that

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<v Speaker 3>there are specific points on the hands and feet the

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<v Speaker 3>corresponds with the organs of the body. And the way

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<v Speaker 3>that it was told to me whenever I was doing

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<v Speaker 3>acupuncture was that when you were developing in the fetus,

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<v Speaker 3>you're developing in a fetal position. So the cells that

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<v Speaker 3>are used to form the hands or the back of

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<v Speaker 3>the hand or whatever is closely related to like your

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<v Speaker 3>chest area, right, because you kind of develop like this,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's almost aligned or they can feel each other

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<v Speaker 3>because they almost come from the same area of whenever

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<v Speaker 3>during fetal development. Please gen correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But so with that being and with that in mind,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe there is I think it's reflexology, and I

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<v Speaker 3>want to say that it's acupunctured too. But they believe

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<v Speaker 3>that there is points on the tip of the thumb

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<v Speaker 3>that correspond to the pineal gland, and that if you

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<v Speaker 3>massage the tip of the thumb, it's believed to stimulate

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<v Speaker 3>the pineal gland not only in you know, awakening or awareness,

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<v Speaker 3>but also encourage melatonin production. So I think when you

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<v Speaker 3>go like to these alternative medicine type institutions, that they

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<v Speaker 3>know that there is that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was great, Lisa. I. So I'll answer in

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<v Speaker 2>two ways. One is a ton tric way, but it

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<v Speaker 2>ties in with the yoga way. So the later Yogi's

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<v Speaker 2>weren't contric but they kind of had an idea of

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<v Speaker 2>what that was, like magic really, and so they were

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<v Speaker 2>writing there like knees on half of the yoga their sutras,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they kind of reformulated because they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>all the clues or the keys maybe you could say,

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<v Speaker 2>so they had to sort of reformulate their broken knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>of the ton tric ideas. So there's different ways that

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually assign in TNTRA. For each finger is

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<v Speaker 2>actually related to an element, and there are obviously five

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<v Speaker 2>elements in TNTRA. The thumb is often associated with akasha

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<v Speaker 2>or the mind, but it can also be like the

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<v Speaker 2>akashak records obviously, so something like what you're saying, stimulating

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<v Speaker 2>the memory, simulating the mind, simulating the cameo viae have

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<v Speaker 2>like spiritual experiences. So what mudras really are, like this

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<v Speaker 2>is really great Headless, thank you for bringing that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that mudras really are about the connections between the fingers.

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<v Speaker 2>You're actually doing a very subtle tontric with this called

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<v Speaker 2>tontric dancing actually, and you're subtly touching the fingers to

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<v Speaker 2>each other in the specific movements. But what you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>doing is you're doing elemental invocations like very yadhe vavee. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's basically what it is. And that's even

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<v Speaker 2>how you would do a ritual sodna, is that you

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<v Speaker 2>would change your mudras depending on the specific timing or

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<v Speaker 2>grammar within that specific sodna. So you would be activating

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<v Speaker 2>the different elemental configurations you could even say, and you'd

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<v Speaker 2>always do air last. So that's interesting because sometimes earth

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<v Speaker 2>is given to the pinky and sometimes air is given

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<v Speaker 2>to the pinky. But it does actually matter. So what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying is the way you formulate it actually changes.

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<v Speaker 2>So if someone does it one way, it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to work for someone else who thinks of it in

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<v Speaker 2>a totally different way in another way, because it really

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<v Speaker 2>matters your.

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<v Speaker 4>Starting point, Jane, I got one for you. So you

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<v Speaker 4>know who else was a Thracian? You got it Pythagoras

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<v Speaker 4>because you keep all the numbers you need right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you can use your feet. Yeah, he what are

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<v Speaker 1>you saying? For sure?

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<v Speaker 4>Pathagoras was so huge on that. I mean, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>the idea of number all embodied inside of these hands,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, as as your very first starting point within

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<v Speaker 4>the whole world of numbers. And you've got the perfect

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<v Speaker 4>symbol for base ten, you know, right there both sides

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<v Speaker 4>of your body.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten and Mason re means perfection, or at least one

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<v Speaker 5>of them. One of the theories or ideas for number ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I think is Zero's a very profound concept. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa has lots of thoughts on this, but I find

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<v Speaker 2>I find zero to be a very profound concept, and

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it was a very innovative, magical idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people like, yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>did an episode on the value of number nine with

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's like, you know, in the order of chrap,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's but for me, I'm just saying, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer a base ten. I think that there's something

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be more progressive. I'm not using that word politically,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just saying it's like forward thinking magic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not backwards looking. This is my perception. But maybe that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>But well, it could have to do with how they're associated, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So the base sixes and all the rest of these

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<v Speaker 4>other systems might have other focuses that they put into

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<v Speaker 4>their numbering system as part of a body heuristic. You know, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a possibility.

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<v Speaker 6>Speaking about the numbers here, you know, the bottom of

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<v Speaker 6>has a Fibonacci sequence. So if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 6>if it also represents represents the third eye or the

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<v Speaker 6>pineal gland, you've got the third ie wrapped up in that.

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<v Speaker 6>I would, you know, wager. But it's like the third

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<v Speaker 6>eye meets the Fibonacci sequence, which is like the golden

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<v Speaker 6>ratio with the numbers, like higher math, higher science. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's almost like if you see somebody holding that and

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<v Speaker 6>you're mixing these two concepts of like third eye and

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<v Speaker 6>higher math found in nature, it's almost symbolic of the

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<v Speaker 6>human being, like receiving nosis or receiving knowledge, like with

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<v Speaker 6>this picture you had of there's a pine cone at

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<v Speaker 6>the person's fingertips. It to me this is symbolic of

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, receiving higher knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps I just wanted to respond really quick, Tim. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's super profound what you said. And I

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<v Speaker 2>actually think this goes back to the episode I jested

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<v Speaker 2>with Nick and Matt which we were talking about Benna Binna.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that higher math, that kind of higher intellectual thinking

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you're talking about. And that perceptual element, that

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<v Speaker 2>element that's in perception of that higher knowledge is has said.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's that Saturn Jupiter connection. That's kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>makes the world real. It's like we see it, we

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<v Speaker 2>know it exactly what you said, higher knowledge, and we

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. All those three things at the same time. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>No, I want to build upon what Jin said because

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<v Speaker 3>of the kabal and then it maybe think of numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things with the thumb still staying around

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<v Speaker 3>the thumb is that the thumb itself is controlled by

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<v Speaker 3>nine muscles. Well, let me let me rephrase that. So

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<v Speaker 3>there are no country property believe there are no muscles

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<v Speaker 3>in your fingers there. It's only tendons and ligaments, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're connected to muscles, and that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 3>it works. And it works like in a rope pulley

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<v Speaker 3>type system. But with the thumb there are it. The

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<v Speaker 3>thumb itself is controlled by nine muscles and it has

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<v Speaker 3>three major nerves. So you have the number ninety three

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<v Speaker 3>and then there are I believe six potential directions or

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<v Speaker 3>movements that the thumb can make at the base joint.

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<v Speaker 3>So going back to what you were talking about, Jen,

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<v Speaker 3>you have this three six nine vortex math, you have

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<v Speaker 3>any kind of it's called the golden ratio, and not

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<v Speaker 3>three six nine is the golden ratio, but you have

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<v Speaker 3>all of these types of what we've heard these these

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<v Speaker 3>things over and over in secret societies or occult practices.

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<v Speaker 3>These numbers are these orientations happening all again within the thumb.

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<v Speaker 3>So that I throw that in there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really great, Lisa, Like three six nine, like just

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<v Speaker 2>think about in Kabola. It's a they'nah different and your

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<v Speaker 2>sod and like good. I always he's nick about this

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<v Speaker 2>because he always says that he used to listening to

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<v Speaker 2>David I back in the day, and David Ice talks

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<v Speaker 2>about the Saturn moon matrix, right, well, that is I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that he's talking about something fundamentally real in Kabbala,

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<v Speaker 2>like that is an important kabalistic lesson is that everything

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<v Speaker 2>is formed in your mind. So when he's saying it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a matrix that you're trapped in it, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>actually talking about like the drix. He's talking about like

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<v Speaker 2>your kind of consciousness matrix. Like you're saying you're trapped

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what and that's exactly what those numbers are

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<v Speaker 2>because six is really the higher apotheosis of all of

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<v Speaker 2>those things in synthesis. So and very profound thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, thank you, Jen. And then if we

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<v Speaker 3>ever get to do the gnostic mass to that one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things with the pennel and Jen, you kind

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<v Speaker 3>of drop my memory on this. With the pineal, you

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<v Speaker 3>can charge your pineal by I think it's a full

419
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<v Speaker 3>moon facing north Yeah, so again going back.

420
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<v Speaker 4>To the whole facing the north pole on a full

421
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<v Speaker 4>moon charges your pineal glad because that totally makes sense.

422
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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's one of the I guess series out

423
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:44.039
<v Speaker 3>there that potentially you could charge your pineal uh during

424
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<v Speaker 3>a full moon facing north. That's I don't know when,

425
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:50.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what point. That's all I just remember

426
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<v Speaker 3>from reading. But yeah, So going back to the whole

427
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:55.200
<v Speaker 3>lunar thing of what Jen was.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Saying with, Yeah, I think Crowley actually suggested that look

429
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<v Speaker 1>at the moon its full.

430
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure where I got it from. You told

431
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<v Speaker 3>me that.

432
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one thing that told me.

433
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<v Speaker 3>You told me that you face north at midnight, and

434
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, that's interesting because I do know

435
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:18.839
<v Speaker 3>that the pineal is receptive to moon light frequency electromagnetic

436
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.720
<v Speaker 3>frequency from the moon, and you can potentially charge it

437
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:29.319
<v Speaker 3>because it can sense it at midnight from a full

438
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:30.319
<v Speaker 3>moon facing north.

439
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that goes. Sorry, I just want to yeah, you go,

440
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm gonna have a bunch of I want to say.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm just gonna be really quick. I just want

442
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 2>to say to jump off. Lisa's point is that that's

443
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<v Speaker 2>a really interesting thing that you said about the apex

444
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>of the moon at midnight, because that is actually in

445
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:50.319
<v Speaker 2>contric astrology, that is what is considered as apex. The

446
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.920
<v Speaker 2>true north at midnight is the moon, whereas at noon

447
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>in tontric astrology, I'm not saying this is real, but

448
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying in Tontric astrology it's venus, so very

449
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>interest are staying kind of feminine. Both have feminine, specifically

450
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>feminine qualities.

451
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>See even at even at noon when you're doing going

452
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 1>back to rush, that is something I do want to

453
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>think eventually cover. And I think from what Lisa is

454
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 1>saying and the other stuff, the other prayers, I do

455
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.640
<v Speaker 1>think it's to charge up Neil Glenn for sure. But

456
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>even when you face at noon, when you're facing and

457
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 1>you're doing the prayer, you're still even actually including a

458
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 1>chick at that time. You're praying to Hathlor. Now I

459
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>know that's like to me. I used to sometimes use

460
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Hathlor for netsuck anyway, even though I don't know, but

461
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I found that interesting how you said a female or

462
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever venus. And again it's associated you know, this prayer

463
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>is associated with the female during the day. So if

464
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 1>you're into.

465
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<v Speaker 3>Something that's you do charge it at mid day two sorry,

466
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 3>tim at mid day at noon you do charge your

467
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 3>pennial as well, because at noon, depending where you are

468
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 3>on the surface of the earth, you were receiving all

469
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 3>of the light in its appropriate ratios of the electromagnetic spectrum.

470
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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, yeah, you've got twelve o'clock noon, and then

471
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 6>you've got the twelve phases of the moon. I'm just

472
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 6>thinking about the numbers here, and the golden ratio is

473
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 6>like one point six something, So there's a six in

474
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.039
<v Speaker 6>there if you're thinking about like that.

475
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

476
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:32.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and if you add the one in the eight,

477
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 6>you get the nine, so technically it has a six.

478
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 6>I'm in there, But I was going to ask, what's

479
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 6>this association with Venus because that's was there association with

480
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 6>Venus that was mentioned?

481
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, maybe maybe Jin said something about something about

482
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 1>feminine and that reminded me of the prayer at twelve

483
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>o'clock was also a feminine deity that you pray to.

484
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you didn't say Venus and I fucked that up there.

485
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, no, I did say Venus. Sorry, Venus. Is

486
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 2>that the apex of the north? It's true north at noon,

487
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>just at that point in the sky.

488
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 3>This is the one idea and it was and it

489
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.480
<v Speaker 3>was the first star that you can see in the morning, right.

490
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the morning star. It can be the rising and

491
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>falling star. This is really interesting in contrac nostrology. Actually

492
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>is that both Mars and Venus can be the rising

493
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and falling star, depending or the morning and evening star

494
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 2>they switch.

495
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and those two points in the earth, I mean

496
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 3>on the earth is what is is the the switch

497
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:42.960
<v Speaker 3>like literally like light switch to turn on and off

498
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Speaker 3>your pineal gland is is the crepuscular times or the

499
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.319
<v Speaker 3>dawn dusk whatever.

500
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I see this as being saturated with divine

501
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.599
<v Speaker 6>feminine if we're talking about hath Or and we're talking

502
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 6>about Venus, and you know, even even the Bible mentions

503
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 6>the morning star in association with Venus, and if you

504
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.720
<v Speaker 6>go further into that, I would I would suggest that

505
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 6>it's probably associated with an honor, a start day ishtar.

506
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 4>And also Jesus was called some of the morning. Jesus

507
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 4>was called some of the morning as well.

508
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Jesus was the child of the north star.

509
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Though really depending on what the translation you want to use,

510
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the call in the morning.

511
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Store Yeah, right, And I think it has to do

512
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.559
<v Speaker 4>with different parts of the year. And you know, we

513
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 4>see that again with Venus, which the morning star part

514
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 4>of the year is the spring and then for the

515
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:46.400
<v Speaker 4>summer it goes away and then like fall, winter it's

516
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 4>in the evening part of the sky, So there is

517
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 4>this dichotomy between when it shows up during the year.

518
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 4>So I think a lot of that has to do

519
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 4>with the calendar.

520
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>One thing I did want to mention too, This was

521
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 1>why I said I was gonna talk for a little bit,

522
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>is because the OTOO fuck it when I do my

523
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>second degree initiation. Uh, you guys got me thinking of

524
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that whole thumb thing. Let me just go back a

525
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 1>little bit. There has been times during the initiations where like,

526
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 1>I'll just use this same example, I'm already saying stuff,

527
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not SUPs. So they'll they'll take a sort and

528
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 1>not hit you hard, but they'll tap your waist and

529
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>they tell you. At some point after you do the initiation,

530
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like a few weeks maybe a month later, they'll

531
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 1>have a class and anybody who's ever done that degree

532
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 1>can come in and take the class and they'll kind

533
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 1>of go over it a little bit. And normally they'll

534
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>have like people that just did that initiation kind of

535
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>come in and say some stuff, and they had said

536
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.559
<v Speaker 1>that when they do that sort thing, it was to

537
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 1>activate that chakra down there. Now during the second degree,

538
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 1>there's at one point, they give you this stick piece

539
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>of wood that has a screw on the top of it,

540
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and they specifically tell you to put it on your

541
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>thumb and screw it down until you can't you know,

542
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>until you can whatever, until I guess you can bear

543
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 1>it anymore. I mean, I already from reading stuff I

544
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't supposed to read. I already knew what was going

545
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 1>to happen. So I mean, I just did it a

546
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>little bit and I said, Okay, that's it, you know whatever.

547
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>But I am like, you're starting to wonder now when

548
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>they said that they specifically will tap you places and

549
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 1>do things to activate chakras. Was that whole thing to

550
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>do with the whole thumbshit? Were they putting the screwed?

551
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Were you screwing that shit down yourself? I don't know.

552
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>It just it made me think about that when you

553
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 1>were talking about the thumb and the panel, Glen in

554
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the connection.

555
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Have you ever have you ever heard of the torture

556
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 4>technique the thumb screws, right, So it was like a

557
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:35.519
<v Speaker 4>torture technique. They would put you in the thumb screws,

558
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 4>which was like this thing that they would put down

559
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 4>on top of the cuticle and as they're cranking it down,

560
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 4>they want you to confess to certain crimes or whatever.

561
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.960
<v Speaker 4>But if they've got you doing that during an initiation,

562
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:48.599
<v Speaker 4>you're putting the thumb screws to yourself.

563
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then you know what they this is like shit

564
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 1>that they did that they say this is And this

565
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:55.279
<v Speaker 1>was one of the reasons why I was like, what's

566
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.319
<v Speaker 1>going on in this place? They lift it up, they

567
00:32:58.400 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>show you that it's like a stick and it has

568
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 1>the screw at the top. Then when they show you

569
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of it, it was like hollowed out, and

570
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 1>they're like, now, if you maybe noticed everything. Basically, what

571
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 1>they're getting at is that not everything may be as

572
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.319
<v Speaker 1>it seems. That was the whole lesson to learn from that,

573
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>because if I would have looked around and sold everything,

574
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I would have realized I could have just stuck the

575
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 1>whole fucking thing on my thumb and wouldn't have had

576
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>to turn the screw, you know, some shit like that.

577
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, so like it was even like it was

578
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 1>even weird like that lesson because right before that, I

579
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 1>had people push me into a pool and they're telling me,

580
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 1>you don't trust my brothers and sisters and siblings, and

581
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.519
<v Speaker 1>now you tell me not everything seems to be. Not

582
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 1>everything is as it seems? What fuck you telling me?

583
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Now you know what's going on here?

584
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like they're planting paranoia.

585
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>No, it's like, well, technically, if it's the second degree,

586
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.119
<v Speaker 1>that's my third time, and the other two initiations before

587
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 1>that they both told me you can't trust anybody in

588
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 1>their own way. So I'm like, is this the three

589
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>times you told me?

590
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Three times?

591
00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 1>After this is you're a fucking idiot? Could be something

592
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.519
<v Speaker 1>like that. I don't get it, but uh yeah, I

593
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to twist that in there. About that the

594
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>pine cone on there again, you know, and I said

595
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>it two or three times light But it's just weird

596
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to me thinking about, you know, with that pine cone

597
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>there and possibly connected to your paneal glend there's a

598
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff I think Croley does that shows penal glenduff.

599
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 4>Well, if you think about it from the Greek perspective,

600
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, you've got the idea of Prometheus and this

601
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 4>thing that made us uniquely human, and so the thumb

602
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 4>is one of these things that make us uniquely human

603
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.039
<v Speaker 4>as opposed to one of the other animals. It sticks out.

604
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:33.639
<v Speaker 4>It does a lot of stuff that we tell it

605
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 4>to all these other paws and stuff. They can't, you know,

606
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 4>really operate the thumb, so it you know, it's one

607
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 4>of these uniquely human traits in the hand that I

608
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.920
<v Speaker 4>think they were trying to glorify. It's like, this is

609
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.119
<v Speaker 4>the thing that gets us close to God is because

610
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 4>this makes us different from everything else.

611
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 3>To build upon that, I will say, the opposable thumbs.

612
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.800
<v Speaker 3>I wish raccoons didn't have them, but that's neither here

613
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 3>or squirrels, neither here nor there. But one of the

614
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.400
<v Speaker 3>unique things with thumbs is that only humans and primates

615
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 3>can touch the thumb to the other fingers. So that's

616
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 3>that's definitely a unique characteristic within the hand thumb finger

617
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 3>I guess situation. But the one of the things that

618
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:26.000
<v Speaker 3>I kind of wanted to insert, just kind of tangent

619
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 3>the amount of population that's left handed versus right handed.

620
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I always found that to be really odd that it's

621
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 3>like it's like ten percent of the population the entire

622
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.800
<v Speaker 3>population is left handed. Well, you're told kind of or

623
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 3>guided to be right handed in elementary I remember that,

624
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 3>But for the part I believe it's only a ten

625
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.880
<v Speaker 3>percent percentage of the human population that is left handed,

626
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 3>and then like even less than that, like it's one percent.

627
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:00.199
<v Speaker 3>That's ambidexterrous. I thought that was that was something like

628
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 3>you have it in multiples of ten.

629
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<v Speaker 2>So well, sort of a riff off your point, Lisa,

630
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>since Nick brought up the sorry headless, I'm just gonna

631
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<v Speaker 2>go really quick. This is sink foil. So I thought

632
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 2>you would like this, Lisa, simply because this is the

633
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 2>one thing I actually contributed to the Call Research Instry

634
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<v Speaker 2>in written form is the herb Correspondences. So this is

635
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>a really important magical herb in both Europe and North America,

636
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 2>for both indigenous people and Europeans. And so its name

637
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.800
<v Speaker 2>in French actually means the five fingered hand, sink oil,

638
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 2>sink foi, so it represents the hand of Mary. So

639
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 2>actually it's there's also an idea in spiritism which I

640
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 2>believe also comes from this, and it's the hand of

641
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 2>the saints. And you'll see this a lot of Puerto

642
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Rican kind of like sance. There's a hand and it

643
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>will have the five Arisia or the five saints. But

644
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's different. It's not always. You know, sometimes people

645
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.159
<v Speaker 2>pray like use that can or whatever, and they're not.

646
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>It's not a risha, it's saints. But some people that, yeah,

647
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>that is so. But basically it's that there are five

648
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>roads for every person when they're born, and so it's

649
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the they say, you can't open all five roads in

650
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 2>one lifetime. That's something I've heard people say. But this

651
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 2>plant is the divine kind of savior, s hand of

652
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.679
<v Speaker 2>merry plant, so it opens all five roads for you.

653
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>So and that's exactly what it's used for. It's used

654
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 2>for luck, love, job, money, and success, just general success.

655
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 2>So it's a it's a really great thing. And you'll

656
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 2>see in a lot of older recipes for van Van oil.

657
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 1>You know.

658
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And it reminds me of the five pedaled flower that

659
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 3>was found imprinted on lavito in Mexico, and it's very

660
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 3>symbolic to the michigas Aztec people as well. So it's

661
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 3>interesting that you bring that up because it's a five

662
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 3>all over again.

663
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is a rose too, it's a it's a

664
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 2>lesser rose. It's a potent tell us, so it means

665
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>even the name means potency or potential.

666
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 4>Mm.

667
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's very interesting.

668
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, thank you.

669
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think about like sacred geometry as well, with

670
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 6>some of the stuff we've talked about today, like which

671
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 6>was big in Egypt. And I only mention that because

672
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 6>Osyrus was often depicted holding a staff with the pine

673
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.880
<v Speaker 6>cone on it. So I wonder if all this is

674
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 6>symbolic of maybe an early form of masonry and building

675
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.480
<v Speaker 6>pyramids and building temples in Egypt. So it'd be like

676
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 6>sacred geometry in conjunction with g nosis and basically a

677
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 6>way of putting the knowledge to use, and I I wouldn't.

678
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 6>I don't know that masonry goes back to ancient Egypt,

679
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 6>but some form of it might.

680
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.599
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't, and you're right, I think I think a

681
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 5>lot of it goes back to masonry. Like I said,

682
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.559
<v Speaker 5>I just finished up my Ananaki presentation. For part of

683
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 5>my PowerPoint presentation, a lot of people know who the

684
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:17.000
<v Speaker 5>Samerians are, and uh, when I was doing my research

685
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 5>on them, a lot of people will say that they're

686
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 5>known as the black headed people, right where they're known

687
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 5>as mankind or human or you know something that identifies

688
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 5>you know us as you know a species. But then

689
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 5>I read from somebody who is a thirty third degree Mason,

690
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 5>and I can't remember exactly which book it is. I

691
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 5>have to go look and see which which one it is.

692
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 5>I know which value, I know what authors from. I

693
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 5>just don't know which book it is actually from. And uh,

694
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 5>he was saying that they're also known as brothers. Well,

695
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, Masons identify each other as brothers, or at

696
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 5>least every time I've come in contact with them, they

697
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:57.639
<v Speaker 5>always that word always seems to pop up.

698
00:39:58.280 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 4>But they were known as brothers.

699
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.199
<v Speaker 5>Another good example of that is a lot of people

700
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 5>know that Inky and En they that they were brothers, right,

701
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 5>but there are texts out there which I actually have

702
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 5>in my presentation that one could be the father and

703
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 5>one could be the son. Sometimes it flip flops which

704
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 5>one was the father and son. So the brother's part

705
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 5>stuck out on them, stuck out to me because that's

706
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.639
<v Speaker 5>a group of and those were a group of individuals

707
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.880
<v Speaker 5>that was in the elite, right, they were higher class

708
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 5>than everybody else, and at a time that's what Mason's

709
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 5>and some of them probably still think as themselves as today.

710
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.760
<v Speaker 5>So it's just amazing that you know the symbolism and

711
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't just go back to the ancient Egyptians a

712
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 5>lot of the symbolism you can find in a dog

713
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 5>On tribe. And I actually had a podcast discussion with

714
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 5>one of the authors, Laris Gratton, on his book about it,

715
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.239
<v Speaker 5>and he talks about symbolism. So yeah, it's definitely something

716
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 5>in there. You know, each o there, Mesutami and all

717
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 5>that they have a link between each other. Even Messo

718
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 5>America has a link.

719
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:11.639
<v Speaker 4>Hey what about the Masonic handshakes? Yeah, I mean it's

720
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 4>a symbolism s Morgesborg. You know they've got all these

721
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 4>different parts of the hand that they're touching for different

722
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 4>types of Masonic handshakes. That's very mystical.

723
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.719
<v Speaker 7>Yes, yeah, but you know when I when I read

724
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:33.320
<v Speaker 7>about them, it's more like, uh, you can't go to

725
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 7>the next degree without perfecting the degree that you're in now.

726
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 1>So how can you move?

727
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:39.480
<v Speaker 7>How can you get promoted?

728
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 5>If you're not good at your job that you're at

729
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 5>right now, right, why would you expect the promotion? And

730
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 5>they stick very strong to those rules, or at least

731
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:48.079
<v Speaker 5>from what I've read.

732
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 4>I had books from.

733
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 5>Godfrey Higgins and you know Albert Pike and then Godfrey

734
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.840
<v Speaker 5>Higgins is actually my favorite historian and slash author. And

735
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 5>then you have Albert church church Ward I think that's

736
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.559
<v Speaker 5>how you say his last name. You know, he talks

737
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 5>about the symbolism. So there is definitely something. You know,

738
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 5>when you see symbolism, you can see that there's a

739
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 5>certain language and meaning towards behind it, that that symbol

740
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 5>that's that you have right now means only one thing

741
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 5>to a certain group of individuals, and everybody sees that

742
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 5>will understand that. It's the same thing like when I

743
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.840
<v Speaker 5>say with emojis and stuff like that, with pictographic scripts

744
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 5>of today, you know, you have a whole sentence on

745
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 5>just a pictographic script. It's just the people that the

746
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 5>people that are having that conversation, they need to have

747
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.079
<v Speaker 5>enough knowledge on there or on what each pictograph means.

748
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 5>And hand symbolism is the same thing with like I

749
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:48.400
<v Speaker 5>don't know if if before we started record going live

750
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 5>or after while we was live, but somebody was mentioning about,

751
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, some of the gangs and stuff like that

752
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.559
<v Speaker 5>they can have a whole discussion with just with their hands.

753
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 5>You know, a whole with this guys, and you know

754
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 5>exactly what to do, and so you know, it's it's

755
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 5>a very easy way to communicate. I think when we

756
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.800
<v Speaker 5>started using words, everybody try to use use their words

757
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 5>to mean whatever narrative they're trying to share.

758
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Later on, I can.

759
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, just really quick.

760
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I'm gonna take one stab again at the

761
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.519
<v Speaker 3>dead horse on the pine cone. The pine cone. The

762
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 3>ones that we do see are the ones that are

763
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 3>more prominent, are the female, because pine trees produce female

764
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 3>and male pine cones. The male ones you rarely do see.

765
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 3>They're not showy. They mainly produce paullin jin. Please step

766
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 3>in if I'm wrong. But the bigger one are the

767
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 3>ones that you see on the on the floor, whatever,

768
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 3>the ones that people hold up. That's the female one.

769
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:55.360
<v Speaker 2>But that's it.

770
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 6>Oh well, that's perfect because you reminded me of something

771
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 6>that I meant say earlier. The Romans associated the pine

772
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 6>cone with Venus, and so with the goddess Venus. So

773
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.440
<v Speaker 6>it makes me wonder when you see that big bronze

774
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 6>or whatever it is, that big pine cone at the Vatican,

775
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 6>if that was them sort of quietly inducting goddess worship

776
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.320
<v Speaker 6>into the facility in the grounds of the Vatican itself.

777
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 6>And if you look back at like the Etruscans. Because

778
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:32.840
<v Speaker 6>the Etruscans built Rome, they actually had a goddess name Vatica.

779
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so go ahead. J sorry tim no no no,

780
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I apologize. I was a little I shouldn't have jumped in,

781
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>but you know you were saying something. I got excited.

782
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.599
<v Speaker 2>So I just want to change the angle for you.

783
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to say. You could say I accept that

784
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I accept that it could be a divine, feminine like encapsulation,

785
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 2>like a crystalline matrix. You could say that's very feminine,

786
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>divine force. But I also think that it could just

787
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>be adopting, like something that's quote unquote I'm not a perennialist,

788
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.119
<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna use the word perennially true. So it

789
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.119
<v Speaker 2>could be just something that appears magical experience. And obviously

790
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.840
<v Speaker 2>there are people who attribute both masculine and feminine qualities

791
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.159
<v Speaker 2>to often the same things. So when you're looking at

792
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>comparative mythology, especially from like east to West, as something

793
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>that I often do, you see that there is like

794
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>there are different, very different ideas of the same thing,

795
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 2>but then there is a kind of underlying truth to

796
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.039
<v Speaker 2>both of them. They can reason through. But it might

797
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.239
<v Speaker 2>be like a very different at face value understanding of it.

798
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying you're wrong. I agree, I totally

799
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 2>accept that.

800
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:47.480
<v Speaker 6>Well, I'll say I'll say this because I might be wrong.

801
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:50.000
<v Speaker 6>I was just throwing it out there as a possibility

802
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 6>because of the just because of some of the connections

803
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 6>that I'm looking at here with Like again, I'm just

804
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 6>saying this might be the case. I'm not saying it

805
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 6>is the case. But like when I see that the

806
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.000
<v Speaker 6>Roman Empire seemed to kind of dissolve or morph into

807
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 6>the Vatican, and there's you know, I'm assuming that maybe

808
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 6>some of that goddess worship was still there and maybe

809
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 6>it got turned into something else and or masquerades to

810
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:24.199
<v Speaker 6>something else. But again I'm not sure. But I do

811
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 6>think that it's interesting that the trust Caans have the

812
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:28.119
<v Speaker 6>Goddess Vatica.

813
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah. I think the closest link between like the

814
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Roman religion and the Vatican is the pantheon of Saints

815
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>like they have in France, like the Penteon they have.

816
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like people who were like born in like nineteen

817
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 2>oh five. They have like enshrine there that they pray to.

818
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 2>They have like actually official national prayers. So I think

819
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.119
<v Speaker 2>that that is very much like an encapsulation of that

820
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of like Lay Empire Roman religion, which people often

821
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>mistake for being very polytheistic, it was actually very much

822
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.599
<v Speaker 2>about the imperial cult of ancestors. So I think that's

823
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. Of course, every there are different goddesses and

824
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>god names and people, you know, encoding things in those

825
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 2>within those names and those like kinds of images. This

826
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>is a great one. This is Shiva on top of

827
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 2>the mountain, on top of the world mountain. You could say, yeah, exactly,

828
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like when Nicks showed he's doing the abayah mudra. So

829
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.599
<v Speaker 2>this is the gesture of fearlessness. So you're gonna ask,

830
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 2>why is this calm, chill, dope smoking guy, Why is

831
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 2>he offering you the gesture of fearlessness? Because once you

832
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>wake him up, he becomes bi rava, he becomes very ferocious,

833
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.199
<v Speaker 2>and he turns almost black blue black, and he has

834
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.719
<v Speaker 2>like fangs, and the carnal ground arises above him. So

835
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you have to. But that's also your own consciousness, your

836
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.039
<v Speaker 2>own mind. So when your mind wakes up, so you

837
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 2>have to. That's what he offers, the gesture of fearlessness.

838
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:06.320
<v Speaker 2>So you can first enter the garden or the mountain

839
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 2>or the carnal ground or wherever he is, and you

840
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.679
<v Speaker 2>can bypass him and you can see him as just

841
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.760
<v Speaker 2>his placid face is not a mask, but it's it's

842
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>just one of many. That's one way to think of it.

843
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.760
<v Speaker 8>You know what, I really love that go ahead, I

844
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 8>was gonna, I was gonna say that the skins kind

845
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:31.239
<v Speaker 8>of almost represent a fearlessness to both Dionysus and Pan,

846
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:35.800
<v Speaker 8>Like Pan has these fur patterns in his legs that

847
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 8>are kind of like the stars, and so that's one

848
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 8>of the.

849
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Reasons why he was referred to as sort of like

850
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 4>this cosmic deity is because he had all of the

851
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 4>stars in his pelt, and so that kind of goes

852
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 4>into this Dionician character that you know, you also have

853
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 4>the pine cone associated with Shiva, So there's there's a

854
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 4>real crossover between Dionysus Shiva, and you know, all these

855
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 4>different versions that they had. Like addis worship going on

856
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:05.920
<v Speaker 4>in that Thracian region of Anatolia.

857
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:12.519
<v Speaker 2>There there's a clear link between elements of what you're

858
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 2>saying Solar and like the alcon Huns and their journey

859
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:22.239
<v Speaker 2>from more of that southern Turkey into into a northern

860
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 2>into the Himalayas. Excuse me, I couldn't think of it

861
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.480
<v Speaker 2>right away, But they went into the Himalayas, and that's

862
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 2>really where tontras started. That Birava tantras were the first.

863
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>But it's really important to note that this image of

864
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Shiva is in no way tontric. He's not suggesting anything tontric.

865
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing tontric associated with his worship in general, and

866
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.800
<v Speaker 2>most Indians would not understand this image in an even

867
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 2>remotely tonic way. I obviously gave it a little flavor,

868
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 2>but in most this is a very normy, normative, very

869
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 2>orthodox kind of image. So he's at sleeping consciousness. That's

870
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.400
<v Speaker 2>how a normative quote unquote hind would understand this. He's

871
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>at sleeping consciousness and the water is flowing down, but

872
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 2>this the water from heaven. So he's really the god

873
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of secret knowledge if you want to like the secret

874
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>not the secret idea of Shiva. He's the god of

875
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 2>secret knowledge. So even the moon he wears, it's not

876
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.880
<v Speaker 2>really a moon. Most normative Hindus would understand this to

877
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:25.159
<v Speaker 2>be a moon. It's actually the eclipse. And depending on

878
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 2>what side it even is on his hair it actually is.

879
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 2>You can astro theologically sort of align it to the

880
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:37.239
<v Speaker 2>nichest cycle, which is like a sixteen sort of I

881
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 2>think night moon cycle. There's different numbers for different systems,

882
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.639
<v Speaker 2>but it's a very interesting thing, like you can really change,

883
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.840
<v Speaker 2>like what Tim was saying, you can encode a lot

884
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 2>of things into iconography, signs and meanings into answer something

885
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:52.639
<v Speaker 2>that you said, solar and then I'll shut up, I promise.

886
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>But the animal skins have a really interesting meaning. So

887
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.719
<v Speaker 2>the leopard skin means he's overcome the sort of demon

888
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 2>you could say, of bliss consciousness, so he doesn't need

889
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:09.119
<v Speaker 2>to always be pleasured to be chill. And if he

890
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>is sitting on the tiger skin, he's overcome all fear.

891
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.440
<v Speaker 2>So he's offering the gesture of fearlessness, but he's also

892
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.719
<v Speaker 2>overcome it himself. Sorry, I'm gonna go on for that long.

893
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:20.800
<v Speaker 1>No thanks, I just want to let you know you're

894
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.480
<v Speaker 1>not doing space is solar? Isn't here? That was headless

895
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>with Tim that you're talking to.

896
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Did I say solar twice?

897
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the first time?

898
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I apologize. I apologize guy, it was like late, I'm

899
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 2>sorry again, apologize.

900
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.679
<v Speaker 1>It's all right, it's all right. Oh, it was something

901
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say about this, but I needed Lisa

902
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.800
<v Speaker 1>his so I guess maybe I'll have to pass for now.

903
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I do uh. One thing I do find interesting with this.

904
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 1>It does almost remind me of the the Hermit card

905
00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:00.119
<v Speaker 1>because of the snake in the hand open again, oh,

906
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, because that is I also think that, I

907
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.239
<v Speaker 1>mean the snake. I think is can be used for

908
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>multiple reasons. Obviously. I do think it can also sometimes

909
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>uh show like something to do with the pineal gland

910
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.960
<v Speaker 1>or your eyeball. I do think sometimes the snake. When

911
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 1>I think with the Hermit card, it's more of showing

912
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>possibly the this, you know, the twisting of the pupil closing,

913
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 1>smiling closed, And I have said that it does happen

914
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>like when that when I have them. This could just

915
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:32.800
<v Speaker 1>really all could be a grasp me looking at the

916
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 1>snake on the right side. But I've even said that's

917
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the pupil that of mind that spins closed like it's

918
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, pinned, And I do see the snakes on

919
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:46.199
<v Speaker 1>the right side of well yeah, yeah, technically.

920
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.440
<v Speaker 2>No, you're you're totally right neck. It's so in in Tantra,

921
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.519
<v Speaker 2>there's he has actually secret channels inside his body. There's

922
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.920
<v Speaker 2>like a trident, like there's three channels that rise up.

923
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.960
<v Speaker 2>One is behind the eye that you're talking about, and

924
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.119
<v Speaker 2>so you'll see in Tantra iconography they'll do one eye

925
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:04.679
<v Speaker 2>the pupils a sun and the other eye of the

926
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.840
<v Speaker 2>pupil is a crescent moon like an eclipse. So that's

927
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.119
<v Speaker 2>even how it's described. And the dragon of the eclipse

928
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:16.000
<v Speaker 2>again to reference the serpent. Right, so it all makes

929
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.400
<v Speaker 2>sense to what you're saying. There's this is absolutely not

930
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:18.880
<v Speaker 2>wrong at.

931
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 4>All, Jin, I got one for you, John three fourteen.

932
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 4>Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness,

933
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.679
<v Speaker 4>so the son of man must be lifted up.

934
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:36.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I would say that that's I'll keep this quick,

935
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 6>jin no, no, no, please please, Well that seems to

936
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.000
<v Speaker 6>be conducious symbolism to me, just say it.

937
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.239
<v Speaker 4>I think that, like on the the hand of Sebazios,

938
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.360
<v Speaker 4>you've got this snake figure that's always sort of present

939
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 4>in with this sort of dian Ician type idea. So

940
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 4>you've got so many different snakes that apply into that symbol.

941
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 4>They were talking specifically about the one at Delphi, but

942
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:07.440
<v Speaker 4>the idea of the snake being wisdom and treachery. These

943
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:11.679
<v Speaker 4>kind of dualistic kind of symbols are associated with the

944
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Bible all over the place.

945
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 5>You know, Yeah, being being knowledgeable. That's why I eve

946
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.559
<v Speaker 5>ate the fruit. Yeah, that's why I say that too.

947
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.679
<v Speaker 5>Like a lot of people say, you know, they correlate,

948
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, the serpents, say in Lucifer the devil or

949
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.199
<v Speaker 5>whatever the case. Man, I mean, they throw it all

950
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.400
<v Speaker 5>in one one category. We know that between us, at

951
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 5>least we know the difference between them. But when it

952
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 5>comes up to the snake, the snake is always known

953
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.920
<v Speaker 5>as someone that's given knowledge to somebody else, and it

954
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.880
<v Speaker 5>seems like that and what we do with that knowledge

955
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.480
<v Speaker 5>determines whether it was for good or evil. But the

956
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.400
<v Speaker 5>point is is when you see the snake, the snake

957
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.199
<v Speaker 5>was always seen as you know, as something you know, trying.

958
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:52.039
<v Speaker 2>To give somebody knowledge.

959
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, most people are scared of snakes when they

960
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 5>see them, but you.

961
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.719
<v Speaker 4>Know, they have that the believer that the believers of

962
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.760
<v Speaker 4>the Testament, the believers in the New Testament are said

963
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.960
<v Speaker 4>that they can now tread upon snakes and scorpions. I

964
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.480
<v Speaker 4>think there's a little bit of astro theology in that too.

965
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 4>You've got the symbol of scorpio in there as well.

966
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.559
<v Speaker 2>That was great Tyrone and Hadless I have to say,

967
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 2>we don't know's agree, but honestly, really great points. And

968
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 2>what Tyrone said I think is really really profound, because

969
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.719
<v Speaker 2>that is exactly what it is. Like Shivas swallowed the poison,

970
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.679
<v Speaker 2>the haula Halla poison that arose from the turning of

971
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the second turning of the supernoal waters, and so he

972
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.679
<v Speaker 2>swallowed that and he keeps it in his lower body,

973
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 2>his stomach. He has to totally focus all his like

974
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.760
<v Speaker 2>a third eye power you could say, like Naruto kind of,

975
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:49.760
<v Speaker 2>so it swirls around in his stomach, and so he

976
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:55.519
<v Speaker 2>keeps that so like his own son figure can emerge.

977
00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:00.159
<v Speaker 2>So that's even an idea, so really interesting, Thank you, Tyrone.

978
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Another thing I wanted to mention with this is just

979
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.639
<v Speaker 1>to go back to I've even wondered if this is

980
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:12.760
<v Speaker 1>even sometimes why it's even shown on like the hermaphrodite

981
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 1>or you know those whatever, those al chemical man and

982
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 1>woman the nipple showing. Just to go back to the

983
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.079
<v Speaker 1>n ox formula and something that Crowley came up with,

984
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:30.880
<v Speaker 1>you will at one point act like your isis breastfeeding

985
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.239
<v Speaker 1>horse holding horse, and you'll be pinching your nipple and

986
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if the nipple is showing because that does

987
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 1>connect to the pineal gland as well on a female.

988
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:43.400
<v Speaker 1>So I just wondered about that.

989
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:50.519
<v Speaker 6>But why is the skin blue or bluish?

990
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you see how his lingam is brown, that brown

991
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.920
<v Speaker 2>pineal gland. I know that's what a headless. I'm sorry.

992
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to call you solar before I apologize

993
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:04.239
<v Speaker 2>for that. His brown lingam, So there's covered in milk

994
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:06.400
<v Speaker 2>is the idea. So, but it's really supposed to be

995
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.039
<v Speaker 2>a black chloroalite stone. So when you pour the white

996
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>milk over the black stone, it looks sort of blue.

997
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 2>So this is like a clear like very night sky

998
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.119
<v Speaker 2>or very day sky, excuse me, so like turquoise. It

999
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of appears turquoise. So he's like turquoise like the

1000
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>day sky because he's sleeping.

1001
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're drinking that colonial silver shit.

1002
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.239
<v Speaker 4>You never know, right, very lunar, very lunar coded. You

1003
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 4>get into that lunar mind set, you gotta drink the

1004
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 4>coloidal silver.

1005
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.400
<v Speaker 6>Makes sense right on one other question I had that

1006
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:49.239
<v Speaker 6>go for it last picture.

1007
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.000
<v Speaker 1>There we go, there you.

1008
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Go, that's the same god. So that's the same uh

1009
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's Siva. And then that's his wife and

1010
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.840
<v Speaker 2>she's nursing him. This is right after, in fact, that

1011
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>he drinks the poison. It's only her breast milk can

1012
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 2>save him, can repair the world.

1013
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>That's how it's described, like even on the list one too.

1014
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe they do it en maybe I'm wrong,

1015
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:15.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe they do it on all of them, but like

1016
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>they active, they have marchs where their panel Gleann would be.

1017
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Do they always do that or.

1018
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.559
<v Speaker 2>It's special for Tara because she is the third Eye.

1019
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:28.360
<v Speaker 2>So the original story is the goddess, the original goddess

1020
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 2>of having got cut up into fifty one pieces, so

1021
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:35.199
<v Speaker 2>obviously magic number. And then so each part of her

1022
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 2>falls on a specific place and then a new goddess

1023
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.519
<v Speaker 2>sort of herself arises, and so Tara arises as part

1024
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of the third Eye. So when Tara and Tara is

1025
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.320
<v Speaker 2>also associated with that hassetic idea of perception, it's very

1026
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:53.559
<v Speaker 2>much her idea. She is the flame of the of perception,

1027
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 2>that's even how it's described. But she's also the waters

1028
00:58:56.400 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 2>of superno mercy, so she's Actually it's interesting because it's

1029
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.440
<v Speaker 2>actually both cover outic kind aesthetic at the same time.

1030
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, the last two images, I don't know if it's

1031
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.039
<v Speaker 1>common or not. The bo had that nipple showing and

1032
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 1>they had the pineal gland drawn on their forehead, and Lisa,

1033
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.079
<v Speaker 1>since your back, could you please explain the connection between

1034
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:15.199
<v Speaker 1>the paneal gland and the nipple.

1035
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know the exact mechanism off the top

1036
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:28.360
<v Speaker 3>of my head, but yes, the pineal gland influences the

1037
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:33.719
<v Speaker 3>pituitary for milk let down, which is prolactin, and then

1038
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:39.800
<v Speaker 3>that's and then the feedback of oxytocin from the bonding

1039
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:43.400
<v Speaker 3>that occurs between the mother and the So I'm sorry,

1040
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Oxytocin helps with the release of prolactin. Prolactin causes milk

1041
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:53.800
<v Speaker 3>let down, and then the reinforced positive feedback with the

1042
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 3>child latching onto the nipple, and then the oxytosine oxytoscin

1043
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.039
<v Speaker 3>bonding and all that other stuff. With all that that

1044
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 3>being said, during milk let down, the milk itself is

1045
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 3>carries vital information that is received in like packages of

1046
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:14.679
<v Speaker 3>photons or photons or packages of information that tell the

1047
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 3>child or tell the infant where it is, what time

1048
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:23.760
<v Speaker 3>it is, daylight, moonlight, nighttime, what have you. It starts

1049
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 3>to program the circadian rim of the child itself, if

1050
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:32.559
<v Speaker 3>it was not already starting to be programmed within utero

1051
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:38.119
<v Speaker 3>because the child had yet to see light sunlight. Also,

1052
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:42.239
<v Speaker 3>reinforcing of the circadian rhythm comes from the from the

1053
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:46.239
<v Speaker 3>mother's pineal and basically tells the child or conveys the

1054
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:49.800
<v Speaker 3>information to the child where the child is, what sees,

1055
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 3>and so forth. So yeah, the pineal does feed into

1056
01:00:54.599 --> 01:01:01.360
<v Speaker 3>breastfeeding very much so. And one other thing, sorry this

1057
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.639
<v Speaker 3>kind of tangent, but like in the event that a

1058
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:09.639
<v Speaker 3>child undergoes or a child unfortunately goes through some sort

1059
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:13.800
<v Speaker 3>of like head trauma, the child will release certain enzymes

1060
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:19.639
<v Speaker 3>or chemical messages messages in mouth and it's saliva that

1061
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 3>will feed into the nipple and the memory tissue, and

1062
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.079
<v Speaker 3>then we'll feed back up into the brain and then

1063
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:31.760
<v Speaker 3>the brain itself mainly the pituitary haypithylamic pituitary access will

1064
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:38.880
<v Speaker 3>then release certain peptides I think, and will deliver healing

1065
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:43.079
<v Speaker 3>peptides to potentially heal the brain injury or the head injury.

1066
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.800
<v Speaker 3>So there is that too, And that's actually that whole

1067
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:52.719
<v Speaker 3>mechanism is being looked at for athletes that undergo like

1068
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:53.920
<v Speaker 3>head trauma and stuff like that.

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01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:58.840
<v Speaker 1>So damn, thank you. Yeah. I was talking about how,

1070
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, earlier they showed a guy with his nipple

1071
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:03.559
<v Speaker 1>showing and then this, you know, then I had mentioned

1072
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Curly's ono x formula, which I have gone over with you,

1073
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:08.119
<v Speaker 1>where he grabs the nipple because the baby's supposed to

1074
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.199
<v Speaker 1>be feeding. And it is my opinion, my opinion that

1075
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it may not just we'll be Dixon demons, and he

1076
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.440
<v Speaker 1>could have been talking about the manula. It may not

1077
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:20.079
<v Speaker 1>it'll be just titties and cakes and lake. It might

1078
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.519
<v Speaker 1>actually be some science in this ship. But I don't know.

1079
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:27.199
<v Speaker 1>That's my opinion. Uh too, Huh.

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01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:29.480
<v Speaker 4>It's closing the loop. It's closing the loop because you're

1081
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:31.599
<v Speaker 4>putting the tip of your thumb on your nipple. The

1082
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:38.920
<v Speaker 4>two symbols coming together, Okay, that's interesting.

1083
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:43.920
<v Speaker 6>And if their skin is turquoise and not blue, then

1084
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 6>turquoise is very symbolic, especially in Egypt and across other

1085
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.880
<v Speaker 6>cultures too. But in Egypt it's like protection and good fortune.

1086
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.199
<v Speaker 6>And even if I told you, sorry, Tom, that was it.

1087
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:01.559
<v Speaker 2>You're good. Sorry, what if I told you turquoise was

1088
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:06.559
<v Speaker 2>actually the most magic color I could see that? Yeah,

1089
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:08.880
<v Speaker 2>because it's like the diamond thunder color. It's like the

1090
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like you got it the highest quality color. So

1091
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:16.159
<v Speaker 2>to see like this turquoise idea, especially in the Piranhas,

1092
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:19.039
<v Speaker 2>they're very obsessed with color, and people often attribute it

1093
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to race or case. It's actually none of those things.

1094
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:24.960
<v Speaker 2>It's actually talking about layers of spiritual clurification, all chemical

1095
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:29.079
<v Speaker 2>you could even say. So the turquoise color is actually

1096
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:35.119
<v Speaker 2>equivalent to both lapis and clear, both quartz and like

1097
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.440
<v Speaker 2>dark dark blue. So it's really interesting what you're saying.

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01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:41.840
<v Speaker 6>No, And it's one of my favorite colors too. I mean,

1099
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:44.679
<v Speaker 6>I really love that color. And you know, I don't

1100
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.880
<v Speaker 6>wear it a lot because it's like it's become like

1101
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.039
<v Speaker 6>a hipster thing to wear a bunch of turquoise around town.

1102
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.079
<v Speaker 6>Like I see these guys, like, you know, like kipsters

1103
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:59.360
<v Speaker 6>wearing turquoise and really in here, yes, here, in my

1104
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:01.960
<v Speaker 6>in my uh, I mean I live in a in

1105
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 6>a very hipster neighborhood of East Nashville, and these turquoise

1106
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 6>like is hitting strides right now on the streets.

1107
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:15.199
<v Speaker 4>But never went out of st Turquoise never went out

1108
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.360
<v Speaker 4>of style.

1109
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:26.800
<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, and that's what yeah, just the other Native

1110
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:28.039
<v Speaker 6>Americans for sure.

1111
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Going off what Jin said. I mean, it's the color

1112
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:36.400
<v Speaker 3>of the ketzel bird, and it gets a quattal right,

1113
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.000
<v Speaker 3>gets a quad That's where we come with the whole

1114
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:42.119
<v Speaker 3>feather serpent. And then also the ketzel bird whenever it

1115
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:47.280
<v Speaker 3>sits a certain area of the base of one of

1116
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.639
<v Speaker 3>the I think it's Jualula of the pyramids in Mexico,

1117
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.360
<v Speaker 3>you can hear it like it gives off a certain

1118
01:04:55.639 --> 01:05:02.239
<v Speaker 3>echo reverberation. But yeah, the cat the turquoise, sorry, kettl.

1119
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:05.639
<v Speaker 3>The ketzel bird has that turquoise color and it's very

1120
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.840
<v Speaker 3>very important, very symbolic at least to the Michigan the

1121
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Aztec people, and the Miami people as well. And when

1122
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.159
<v Speaker 3>the whole Virgin Mary thing came about, a lot of

1123
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:18.039
<v Speaker 3>people think that she was robed in blue, but that

1124
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 3>was more of a European I guess misrepresentation. She was

1125
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 3>actually robed in turquoise because she was trying to give

1126
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.760
<v Speaker 3>symbology to the Machika people, which they consider turquoise to

1127
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:35.440
<v Speaker 3>be the highest level of spirituality link. John said, thank you.

1128
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:40.639
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that we got. Here is the hand of providence.

1129
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.199
<v Speaker 1>It it goes back some of these, whichever one I'm

1130
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 1>not exactly sure it is. Now you can go back

1131
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:48.119
<v Speaker 1>all the way back to two hundred and forty four

1132
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:50.559
<v Speaker 1>CE that they start seeing it, and then they see

1133
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Speaker 1>it again in sixth century hearing one of them is

1134
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Moses in the burning bush and there's a hand coming

1135
01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:00.000
<v Speaker 1>down from the top. Here is just an isolated one,

1136
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:05.800
<v Speaker 1>you sound that they found in Fresco in Spain. You

1137
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:07.719
<v Speaker 1>see this one in the hand of God as it

1138
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.440
<v Speaker 1>is intervenes at the sacrifice of Isaac, and that's from

1139
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:16.159
<v Speaker 1>tenth century. We got another one here with the clothed

1140
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:19.639
<v Speaker 1>hand clutching a wreath, and that's in Rome. It was

1141
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:24.880
<v Speaker 1>between eleven and forty and eleven forty three. We got

1142
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:28.599
<v Speaker 1>another one here the Visigothic capital with the sacrifice of Isaac.

1143
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Again you seeing a little hand popping out of the corner.

1144
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.280
<v Speaker 1>We got the Ascension of Christ and then no Lea

1145
01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:43.480
<v Speaker 1>remember that's around four hundred at the hand coming out again.

1146
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I find it interesting with the baby child like or

1147
01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:49.559
<v Speaker 1>like a younger pressing, because like don't they say that

1148
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:51.400
<v Speaker 1>like when you're younger, you might actually be more like

1149
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:57.519
<v Speaker 1>predisposed to like that's the the world, the higher realms.

1150
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:01.599
<v Speaker 1>So you got another one up there. I really couldn't

1151
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:03.280
<v Speaker 1>see it that well in this picture, but there is

1152
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:07.199
<v Speaker 1>another one up there that's from the sixth century, a

1153
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:12.800
<v Speaker 1>semi dome. What do we got here? You got another

1154
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:16.599
<v Speaker 1>one from eleven hundred to the Baptism of Jesus from

1155
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Daphney whatever that is. And I know we talked about

1156
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:22.360
<v Speaker 1>this a bunch of times, but we do have the

1157
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:26.320
<v Speaker 1>hams as well that I just wanted to show that

1158
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.320
<v Speaker 1>that you do have an eye sometimes attached to that

1159
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:33.679
<v Speaker 1>as well. And it's the hand sticking up and then

1160
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:35.599
<v Speaker 1>we do have this one that can be used to

1161
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.079
<v Speaker 1>go against it. The more hand symbolism. Something I do

1162
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:42.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted to I did want to mention is with this

1163
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.599
<v Speaker 1>hand symbolism where you see like them sticking the thumb

1164
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:49.800
<v Speaker 1>out people and myself And now I'm wondering I was

1165
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:51.599
<v Speaker 1>even gonna mention this earlier, but I figured I'd go

1166
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:53.519
<v Speaker 1>again with the pineal gland on your thumb. A lot

1167
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:56.559
<v Speaker 1>of people sometimes when they do their rituals, they will

1168
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:58.840
<v Speaker 1>draw it like that, they'll draw it with their thumb

1169
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:02.079
<v Speaker 1>sticking out. Never understood why. I don't think anybody I

1170
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:04.440
<v Speaker 1>actually knew that didn't even knew why. They just kind

1171
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of saw it done or whatever they're repeating it. For me,

1172
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I just felt more comfortable, felt like I was actually

1173
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:13.639
<v Speaker 1>drawing something. I don't know, fucking cares, who knows, you know,

1174
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.039
<v Speaker 1>I just mind fucked myself into some reason believing to

1175
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:19.640
<v Speaker 1>use that that gesture. So I didn't want to mention

1176
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:23.640
<v Speaker 1>that one uh that we already have this head list

1177
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:28.159
<v Speaker 1>did go over this before we got the hand of glory.

1178
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:33.199
<v Speaker 1>We have that from fifteen sixty five. Another thing that

1179
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:35.680
<v Speaker 1>you see pop up. You have the hand of glory

1180
01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.920
<v Speaker 1>holding a candle from the eighteenth century Grimore, the Petit Albert.

1181
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that was something that immediate Lisa had even

1182
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:45.800
<v Speaker 1>covered in older uh in older uh grimoires and the

1183
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.359
<v Speaker 1>hand of Glory again, the seventeen twenty two Petit Albert

1184
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.119
<v Speaker 1>describes in detail how to make a hand of glory

1185
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:56.199
<v Speaker 1>as sighted from Emil Jews Grillow whatever, and it says

1186
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.159
<v Speaker 1>you take the right you take the right or left

1187
01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:00.840
<v Speaker 1>hand of a felon who is hanging from a gibbet

1188
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.479
<v Speaker 1>beside a highway, wrap it in part of a funeral

1189
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.239
<v Speaker 1>pall and so wrapped, squeeze it well. Then put it

1190
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:14.840
<v Speaker 1>into an earthenware vessel with zimat nitrate, salt and long peppers.

1191
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:19.680
<v Speaker 1>The hole well powdered. Leave it in this vessel for

1192
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a fortnight. Then take it out and expose it to

1193
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 1>a full sunlight during the dog days until it becomes

1194
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.680
<v Speaker 1>quite Try if the sun is not strong enough, put

1195
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it in an oven with fern and verveine. Next, make

1196
01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:38.359
<v Speaker 1>a kind of candle from the fat of a gibbage, felon,

1197
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:43.880
<v Speaker 1>virgin wax, sesame and pony exactly sure where that is.

1198
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:46.840
<v Speaker 1>And use the hand of glory as a candlestick to

1199
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.239
<v Speaker 1>hold this candle when lightened. And then those in every

1200
01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:52.960
<v Speaker 1>place into which you go with this beautiful instrument cell

1201
01:09:53.079 --> 01:10:02.479
<v Speaker 1>remain motionless. Oh you got the philosopher's hand. There's even

1202
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:06.359
<v Speaker 1>another one. Uh really, the crown on the thumb and

1203
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:10.079
<v Speaker 1>the eclipse kind of well, that'd be a not necessary eclipse,

1204
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:12.640
<v Speaker 1>but you know what I mean, the crescent moon cress.

1205
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anybody got an idea about what

1206
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:19.479
<v Speaker 1>the thumb the thumb and the crowd could be I don't.

1207
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 4>But it's the crown of your head.

1208
01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah right, they go back to

1209
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.560
<v Speaker 1>your pineal gland again. Yeah yep, Kyle, wellk yeah close.

1210
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:32.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're ganging up there, yeah.

1211
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:35.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because like the crown symbolizes uh, you know, the

1212
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:39.199
<v Speaker 5>top part of the head, and then Christen is uh

1213
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:42.000
<v Speaker 5>could be considered king God or whatever.

1214
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Then we got the benediction sign. I just wanted to

1215
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:49.680
<v Speaker 1>throw that in there. That's been linked to uh. I mean,

1216
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, Leasta, you probably explained it better, the whole benediction. No,

1217
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't understand that actually, the whole thing with the

1218
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:58.840
<v Speaker 1>benediction symbol and the problems with like the muscles and

1219
01:10:58.840 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the fingers and stuff.

1220
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't. I don't know why, but don't And

1221
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:06.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I don't.

1222
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they said something about having own a neuropathy, and

1223
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 1>they're like they actually had, like, but I don't know

1224
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:14.960
<v Speaker 1>if I want to buy that. That's why they're making

1225
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.079
<v Speaker 1>this is because their hands are actually fucked up. I mean,

1226
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I know David Eis is that about his hands? Which

1227
01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:24.079
<v Speaker 1>that might be true. I mean we started doing art

1228
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.159
<v Speaker 1>because they're hands like that I don't know.

1229
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.000
<v Speaker 4>The hands.

1230
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, with the two fingers.

1231
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.720
<v Speaker 4>Uh ship, that's where it comes from.

1232
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:46.319
<v Speaker 1>M hmm, yeah, yeah, it's the last two events. Yep.

1233
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:51.680
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

1234
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.880
<v Speaker 1>One other thing. Oh, you know, it's interesting somebody had

1235
01:11:53.920 --> 01:11:57.319
<v Speaker 1>mentioned before earlier too. Oh we're getting into hand symbals.

1236
01:11:57.439 --> 01:11:59.439
<v Speaker 1>I can't forget this, but somebody had mentioned it earlier.

1237
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess what's a face throwing up that that handsign

1238
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:06.359
<v Speaker 1>like this? I have suggested that I also sometimes do think.

1239
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it could just be easy enough. That's the

1240
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.279
<v Speaker 1>symbol of fire. But then uh oh there's also the

1241
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:15.000
<v Speaker 1>oh god, at list again, what part of the brain

1242
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:24.840
<v Speaker 1>is it where it's it turns into triangular.

1243
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:27.279
<v Speaker 3>Paramoidal cells, and that's usually around the cerebral and amygdala

1244
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:31.880
<v Speaker 3>prefrontal cortex. Sorry, yeah, so this is the whole perception

1245
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<v Speaker 3>that you have that that almost triangular shape of cells

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<v Speaker 3>or concentration of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that also the part that I think might be

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<v Speaker 1>considered Amon's horn as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh you're okay, sorry, yeah, that is going to

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01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:53.880
<v Speaker 3>be that not the CEREBELM goodness, I'm so sorry. Yeah,

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01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:58.119
<v Speaker 3>that is what houses sit. It sits on top of

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01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:02.479
<v Speaker 3>the pineal and that is that is for a memory

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01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:08.600
<v Speaker 3>as well as cognition and like perception of like where

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01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:10.640
<v Speaker 3>you are, how you are, all that other stuff which

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01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:14.279
<v Speaker 3>basically feeds from the pineal as well, like orientation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that part of that part of the brain isn't

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01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like the rest of the body's basically done in hexagonal, right,

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01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and that one's done in like in the pyramid years.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had wondered, I mean, maybe that's a stretch,

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01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.640
<v Speaker 1>but I have wondered if maybe that's why some people

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01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.880
<v Speaker 1>might put it up in that area. And then that

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01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.039
<v Speaker 1>reminded me. I know some people take this as six

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01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.840
<v Speaker 1>sixty six. I mean, my whole idea is sixty sixty

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01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.039
<v Speaker 1>six is a little bit different. But that made me

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01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 1>think of six sixty six. And I have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>for the YouTube listeners or the people viewing YouTube today,

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01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:45.760
<v Speaker 1>is our six hundred and sixty sixth video right now

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01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that you're watching. So patch yourself on the back. But

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<v Speaker 1>uh uh and then uh tell, oh you know another

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01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:00.920
<v Speaker 1>thing too that's using uh ritual magic too, I mean

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01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the sign of silence. I mean, I don't know if

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01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that's going back, if that is using your hand. I

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01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.439
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to bring that up. I mean that'll be

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01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 1>brought up to you. Uh. In ritualistic work. From my experience,

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01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:15.000
<v Speaker 1>sometimes when you're done doing whatever you're doing at that

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01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:19.199
<v Speaker 1>that direction, what you've done, like whatever, bring your you

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01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:20.600
<v Speaker 1>bring your hand up, or you do it like that

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01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:24.279
<v Speaker 1>basically saying like I'm done. Or in the star Ruby,

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01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.479
<v Speaker 1>you will start off like that, standing in the middle

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01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:30.279
<v Speaker 1>before you do anything with your hand making the sign

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01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:33.079
<v Speaker 1>of silence and then swooping it down, you know, up

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01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:36.000
<v Speaker 1>up a Ponto's caka dominos. He's you know, sitting there

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01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and started off the ritual. But you actually start that

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01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.920
<v Speaker 1>ritual off with the sign of silence and like undoing

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01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it or something. I don't know, but interesting. Uh. I

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01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:46.760
<v Speaker 1>did want to bring that.

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<v Speaker 3>Up, and then I wanted to I wanted to interject

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01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:51.560
<v Speaker 3>it's the hip of campus. Sorry for the people that

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01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:54.680
<v Speaker 3>are like relases has it completely wrong. It's the hippo

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01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:59.279
<v Speaker 3>campus and that is responsible for memory as well as learning.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the part where you have spatial memory that

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01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:05.840
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about. This is where you merge short

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01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:08.600
<v Speaker 3>where you take short term memory into long term memory.

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01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:10.600
<v Speaker 3>So obviously learning and all that other stuff. It's the

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01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:13.199
<v Speaker 3>sea horse of the of the brain.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think in in Game of Thrones, whatever that

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01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:20.960
<v Speaker 1>next sequel was, I forgot the name of it, the

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01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:24.359
<v Speaker 1>House of Dragons or whatever. I think the first one

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01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.039
<v Speaker 1>was very heavily based on eyeball and brain shit. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the second one, like they have like the Sea Horse,

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01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.800
<v Speaker 1>there's there's actually like a family that's related to the

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01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:34.560
<v Speaker 1>dragon people with the sea horse, And I'm like, I'm

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01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:41.359
<v Speaker 1>fucking telling you that's brain shit. Yeah, it's just too coincidental.

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01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.880
<v Speaker 4>This one. You know what this is. It's called the

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01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.840
<v Speaker 4>fig It's a mildly obscene gesture that uses the thumb

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01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.079
<v Speaker 4>wedge between two fingers to ward off the evil eye,

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01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.199
<v Speaker 4>insult someone, deny, or request. It has been used at

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01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.000
<v Speaker 4>least since the Roman agents other in Europe and parts

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01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:01.960
<v Speaker 4>of the Mediterranean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think then you could use this

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01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:05.720
<v Speaker 1>as the same thing. I think he was saying too

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01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:09.000
<v Speaker 1>against the evil eye. Yeah yeah, all right, cool, all right,

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01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:12.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you? Uh all right? What else were you go here?

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01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.039
<v Speaker 1>What were you saying? Tim? You asked something?

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01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:18.479
<v Speaker 6>Right, I was just going to point out that from

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01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.960
<v Speaker 6>this angle, maybe it's just the angle of the camera,

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01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:23.800
<v Speaker 6>but this looks like a giant eyeball.

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01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, there was in our Eyeball series, there was

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01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.000
<v Speaker 1>toms of domes that we showed on the churches and

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01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry, those things look like fucking eyeballs.

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01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:35.479
<v Speaker 1>There's even like some of the domes where it's almost

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01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:38.680
<v Speaker 1>like you even see them with the design is almost

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01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:41.880
<v Speaker 1>even like the layers that you'll see of what the

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01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:45.119
<v Speaker 1>corneers even like looks like it's like, what the fuck

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01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:46.119
<v Speaker 1>did you actually know that?

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<v Speaker 3>The one in the eyeball thing that we did nick

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01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:59.000
<v Speaker 3>with Teresa the oculus and is it the pantheon? Please

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01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:03.279
<v Speaker 3>somebody correct me if I'm wrong, But the oculus is like,

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01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:05.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, we thought about, oh, it could be like

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01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:09.119
<v Speaker 3>the pupil. But then also when you showed the whole

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01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:12.039
<v Speaker 3>thumb with the crown where the crown goes when the

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01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:14.720
<v Speaker 3>baby is born, that area of where the crown is

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01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:18.800
<v Speaker 3>is super soft Umbertresa was talking about that and how

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01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.560
<v Speaker 3>like it's almost like the oculus of some of these

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01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:26.359
<v Speaker 3>Greek areas where Greek temples where it's open to that

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01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:30.119
<v Speaker 3>area which it's opened down into sorry, the hippocampus and

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<v Speaker 3>into the final area.

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<v Speaker 4>And Lisa, you bring up a very interesting point about

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01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:38.840
<v Speaker 4>that light. So if you look back at other animals

1341
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:41.680
<v Speaker 4>that have evolved with the pineal gland, it's almost like

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01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:44.079
<v Speaker 4>a third eye that sticks up on top of their

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01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:47.560
<v Speaker 4>brains because it's taking in sunlight. And then as the

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01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:51.560
<v Speaker 4>brain is built on top of that base lizard level layer,

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01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:54.319
<v Speaker 4>that's when you have these other parts of the head

1346
01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:57.640
<v Speaker 4>coming in and that's the whole thing, you know, So

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01:17:57.840 --> 01:17:59.880
<v Speaker 4>the middle of the head really would be taking in

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01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.439
<v Speaker 4>a light, especially during the part of the you know

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01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:06.039
<v Speaker 4>time that the baby is, you know, youngest, because it's

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01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:07.640
<v Speaker 4>already a soft spot.

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<v Speaker 1>That even makes uh doesn't it make almost like a

1352
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:15.479
<v Speaker 1>y symbol too, the way it goes on top of

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01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:16.039
<v Speaker 1>the kid's head.

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01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:19.399
<v Speaker 4>I believe it does the way that it's fish together.

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01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:26.319
<v Speaker 3>Because essentially neonates are not blind, but they're there their

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01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:31.359
<v Speaker 3>retina issue is not fully formed, so yeah, they would

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01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:32.319
<v Speaker 3>need some sort of.

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01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:38.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Okay, they're called sagital sutures, and the sagital sutures

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01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:42.760
<v Speaker 4>on the the elongated skulls are different than on other humans.

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01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.439
<v Speaker 4>That's one of the indicators that they might not be

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01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:46.319
<v Speaker 4>the same species.

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<v Speaker 2>I find this to be an incredible image neck just

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01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:58.199
<v Speaker 2>because it just reminds me so much of sons hicinography

1364
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and really of course the eye. But you can see

1365
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:03.760
<v Speaker 2>so much in it like that. You can see they

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01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:08.359
<v Speaker 2>put some good cabbala. They they they everything is has

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01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:11.760
<v Speaker 2>a meaning, every number, all the numbers of things, like

1368
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:14.760
<v Speaker 2>the trees, like to have eight of them, that's very interesting.

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01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:18.319
<v Speaker 2>To have the lambs twelve of them, plus Jesus is thirteen.

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01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:21.560
<v Speaker 2>That's very interesting. To have the blue and the gold

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01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and the red and the green. It's all very interesting.

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01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like a it's a very They were obviously

1373
01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:31.000
<v Speaker 2>doing something very cool in the sixth century to have

1374
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:33.359
<v Speaker 2>come up with this, because this is a very interesting

1375
01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:36.840
<v Speaker 2>image that obviously the later Church kind of forgot for

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01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:37.279
<v Speaker 2>a while.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, o, the art is actually rather interesting,

1378
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:50.840
<v Speaker 1>especially inside. Yeah. I just I was kind of really

1379
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:52.720
<v Speaker 1>stuck on that head in Providence thing. I really don't

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01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:54.600
<v Speaker 1>know much about it. I mean, I was even telling

1381
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Hellas about that shit last week. I just yeah, because

1382
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:00.800
<v Speaker 1>go for it, please.

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01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:05.079
<v Speaker 4>In the Old Testament, it was said that God came

1384
01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:08.359
<v Speaker 4>down from heaven and wrote mysterious writings on the walls

1385
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:13.159
<v Speaker 4>of Babylon. It was like that hand of Providence motif

1386
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:17.000
<v Speaker 4>perfectly illustrated as this. You know, God character made his

1387
01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:19.800
<v Speaker 4>hand visible so he could write with his finger on

1388
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.760
<v Speaker 4>the wall in uh one of these courts. So it

1389
01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:25.960
<v Speaker 4>was like the invisible God made visible is in the

1390
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:27.039
<v Speaker 4>shape of that hand.

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01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Mhm uh yeah, fucking hand. Oh yeah, I mean that much.

1392
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:45.439
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to get that out of the way.

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01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:49.359
<v Speaker 1>There's definitely something up with that ship. Uh, I don't know.

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01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:53.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean that's with the hand coming out of the sky.

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01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:53.560
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1396
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:57.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you showed like and I don't know, this is

1397
01:20:57.399 --> 01:20:59.399
<v Speaker 6>kind of Matt, you speak kind of dumb, but like

1398
01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:04.439
<v Speaker 6>there's a ninety Snails album cover from the album is

1399
01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:07.319
<v Speaker 6>called Year zero and it's got that it's got a

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01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:10.560
<v Speaker 6>hand coming out of the sky. I always wondered why

1401
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:15.720
<v Speaker 6>he used that, but maybe it was like maybe it.

1402
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Was like a not to some of this stuff.

1403
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1404
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:25.359
<v Speaker 4>Right, that's a perfect example, right there, go for it.

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01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, just be really quick. I just wanted to tie

1406
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:33.279
<v Speaker 2>in the version of Guadaloupe with the hand symbolism because

1407
01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:36.640
<v Speaker 2>it is the Holy Family with the Virgin of Guadalupe,

1408
01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the Holy Child, Saint Joseph, Saint Anne, and Saint Joaquin.

1409
01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:46.800
<v Speaker 2>So you have the five most powerful sort of like

1410
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you could say, like the biblical lineage, all in your

1411
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the palm of your hand, and so the wound there. Yes,

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01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:57.239
<v Speaker 2>it's also a stigmata, but it also has a very

1413
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:01.000
<v Speaker 2>interesting significance when you study Saint Hey y I used

1414
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:03.680
<v Speaker 2>to be very obsessed with this as a little kid, saying,

1415
01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:07.159
<v Speaker 2>heygar fees. So the idea is that blood is related

1416
01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:11.119
<v Speaker 2>to fire in the humor system. So as fire is

1417
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:15.039
<v Speaker 2>the element of watching, it can also be depicted as

1418
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.800
<v Speaker 2>an eye. So Nick was even saying in our in

1419
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:21.000
<v Speaker 2>our group chat, he was like, well, I won't say exactly,

1420
01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:22.800
<v Speaker 2>but he said, there's a gash in the sky. And

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01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.079
<v Speaker 2>then I said, well, it could be a yoni, But

1422
01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:28.000
<v Speaker 2>what if it's also like this? What if it's also

1423
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:31.960
<v Speaker 2>like a you know, the hand could also be the

1424
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.439
<v Speaker 2>same thing. You can see it if just it depends

1425
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:37.600
<v Speaker 2>on the shape like a vesca pisces kind of is

1426
01:22:37.640 --> 01:22:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it an eye or is it a hole?

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01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:40.319
<v Speaker 1>What is it.

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01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:45.800
<v Speaker 4>On the hand of Sabazios It has pisces directly in

1429
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:52.119
<v Speaker 4>the middle of the palm, You know what I meant to?

1430
01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, fuck, I really wish I would remember this shit.

1431
01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:58.199
<v Speaker 1>They'll remember because they were here except for Tim well

1432
01:22:58.279 --> 01:23:01.840
<v Speaker 1>you weren't either, and we had Ashton on. He did

1433
01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:04.000
<v Speaker 1>show like remember he showed like a vesca pisces at

1434
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>one point. The reason I mentioned in the chat earlier

1435
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:10.880
<v Speaker 1>is that that gash in the sky is because that's

1436
01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:13.159
<v Speaker 1>actually one of the lines that was in liber three

1437
01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:16.640
<v Speaker 1>seventy And I just found it really weird that like

1438
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:18.720
<v Speaker 1>he ends up like showing like even if you watch

1439
01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.119
<v Speaker 1>the video, it looks like the plane fulls flies into

1440
01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>like what a gash or fucking bring a rip into

1441
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking fabric? And I just found that really weird when

1442
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:29.920
<v Speaker 1>gash and then I'm looking at the fucking yoni or whatever.

1443
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know, but I wish I

1444
01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.279
<v Speaker 1>would have remember that then I would have brought that up.

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01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:40.399
<v Speaker 5>And you know what, I wanted to ask him, and

1446
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.439
<v Speaker 5>I forgot to ask him, has he ever seen that

1447
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:45.560
<v Speaker 5>show Manifest? Because that show Manifest reminds me a lot

1448
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:46.000
<v Speaker 5>about that.

1449
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen that, so I wouldn't even know.

1450
01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:55.199
<v Speaker 4>I just had an interesting thought, what's up? If you

1451
01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:57.880
<v Speaker 4>look at the edges of the painting, it kind of

1452
01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:01.319
<v Speaker 4>looks like there's a yoni shape to the central figure.

1453
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:05.039
<v Speaker 4>So is this depicting sort of like the birth of

1454
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:07.479
<v Speaker 4>a child or reaching in to get a child out.

1455
01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:10.920
<v Speaker 4>And plus look at the place where Jesus is again,

1456
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:14.399
<v Speaker 4>he's got the symbol of that pine cone right in

1457
01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:16.680
<v Speaker 4>the middle of your forehead. He's the child of the thumb.

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01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:19.399
<v Speaker 4>That's the pineal glamor.

1459
01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:23.600
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

1460
01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:29.159
<v Speaker 2>I do think the fish symbolism is really interesting in

1461
01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:31.479
<v Speaker 2>comparison because I think it actually does mean the same

1462
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:34.479
<v Speaker 2>thing headless. I think that was a good inclination. I

1463
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.800
<v Speaker 2>think it's about like the I think you can understand

1464
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:39.479
<v Speaker 2>in two layers, probably more, but the way I understand

1465
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:42.079
<v Speaker 2>it is in two. So it's like the transmutation of fish,

1466
01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:47.159
<v Speaker 2>the very magical, very out chemical act, the provision for thyself,

1467
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:52.439
<v Speaker 2>and then also the trans sort of the transmutation into

1468
01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the Kingdom of the Sun, which is not necessarily the church.

1469
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.560
<v Speaker 2>But it's also like in the morel resocrution sort of Yeah,

1470
01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>it's not gnaustic, but people might understand it as such.

1471
01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>It's more the kingdom is in your heart, so you know,

1472
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:11.520
<v Speaker 2>however you understand that. But I think it can be

1473
01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:12.079
<v Speaker 2>both things.

1474
01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.479
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean there's the crossover there too, with the

1475
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.399
<v Speaker 4>center of the palm and sort of like Mary touching

1476
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:22.640
<v Speaker 4>her heart, you know, that whole sort of bleeding heart

1477
01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:25.680
<v Speaker 4>motifs and how to play into that palm center of

1478
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:26.880
<v Speaker 4>the hand as well.

1479
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Our Lady of Guadeloupe is pregnant as well, as Lisa

1480
01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:38.920
<v Speaker 2>has said, so she's not quite a mother yet. She's preconceptual,

1481
01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:44.399
<v Speaker 2>not preconceptual, but pre partum, so she's still generative and

1482
01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>able to sort of like contain the heart of mercy.

1483
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:50.800
<v Speaker 2>That would be maybe a very Catholic Rosicutian kind of

1484
01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:51.439
<v Speaker 2>way to think of it.

1485
01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:59.920
<v Speaker 4>And they call it the crown because of crowning, Yeah, yeah,

1486
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:00.760
<v Speaker 4>coming out through the.

1487
01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:04.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if y'all mention this, but y'all talk

1488
01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:05.000
<v Speaker 3>about the stigmata.

1489
01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:08.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't think so.

1490
01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.640
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that I thought was very interesting,

1491
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:17.359
<v Speaker 3>at least with some of these certain what I call

1492
01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:21.359
<v Speaker 3>them hall of famers in Catholicism, and they don't have

1493
01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:24.359
<v Speaker 3>to be Catholic. There has been some stigmatas that are

1494
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:29.640
<v Speaker 3>not religious or that you know, have I guess a

1495
01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:32.079
<v Speaker 3>leaning towards but we only I've only heard of the

1496
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:35.960
<v Speaker 3>ones that are. But basically it's the bleeding. It's a

1497
01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:40.479
<v Speaker 3>routine bleed or continuous bleeding from the palm of the

1498
01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:46.920
<v Speaker 3>hand to indicate the wounds of Christ sustained during crucifixion,

1499
01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:49.560
<v Speaker 3>which is oddly because you know, they said that there's

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01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:51.560
<v Speaker 3>no way that he could have been cruised through the

1501
01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:53.279
<v Speaker 3>hand because it would have just slipped through that. It

1502
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:56.920
<v Speaker 3>probably was more through the wrist. But with these stigmatas,

1503
01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:01.000
<v Speaker 3>I know pad Bio suffered from that and it was

1504
01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:04.520
<v Speaker 3>a continuous bleeding from the hand and he would be

1505
01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:07.039
<v Speaker 3>giving mass, and there were people that would claim that

1506
01:27:07.119 --> 01:27:09.840
<v Speaker 3>they would see him bleeding from his poems. There were

1507
01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:11.560
<v Speaker 3>times that he bled so much that he had to

1508
01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:15.880
<v Speaker 3>take solace because how much blood he lost. But there

1509
01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:18.359
<v Speaker 3>is that, and it's supposed to indicate to be touched

1510
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:23.159
<v Speaker 3>by the divine. And then the other thing is that

1511
01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:28.760
<v Speaker 3>whenever they do house relics or saint relics, a lot

1512
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:32.720
<v Speaker 3>of one of the famous ones is the hand. So yeah,

1513
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:36.479
<v Speaker 3>it reminded me that the image reminded me because that's

1514
01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:41.000
<v Speaker 3>what the that center bleeding thing is.

1515
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.039
<v Speaker 4>I think that's a very good point. I think trances

1516
01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:49.680
<v Speaker 4>can program the body as well as the mind, and

1517
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:53.560
<v Speaker 4>so having that state of mind can really produce things

1518
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:55.159
<v Speaker 4>like this in the body as well as you know,

1519
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.000
<v Speaker 4>spiritual influences, and that's that's a big part of it too.

1520
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Something I actually wanted to ask you headless because I

1521
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure if you were going to actually covered it

1522
01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>or not, because I think this might have been what

1523
01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>spurred your idea of the hand symbolism one of them. Uh,

1524
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't it like I was gonna bring it up, but

1525
01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe you knew more about it, like in

1526
01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>medieval times, didn't They used to kind of make like

1527
01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:22.479
<v Speaker 1>a hand, like almost like something you could wear actually,

1528
01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:25.439
<v Speaker 1>but it would be like remember you showed it. I

1529
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>think it was like almost like some made out of metal,

1530
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like they were making like hands. So some guy made

1531
01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>like his own hand, and then I think that you're

1532
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>going on something about like that whole thing. Do you know?

1533
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:38.000
<v Speaker 4>That was a really interesting guy, right. This was the

1534
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:45.600
<v Speaker 4>a mercenary German from from this part of Germany who

1535
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:50.479
<v Speaker 4>who had the famous line, you know, like Misha Marsh

1536
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.119
<v Speaker 4>and so Beethoven. It was either Beethoven or Bach who

1537
01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:59.119
<v Speaker 4>wrote a entire like symphony around this phrase, which means,

1538
01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:02.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, kiss my ass. And so he's he's famous

1539
01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:06.880
<v Speaker 4>for this and he also got his arm blown off

1540
01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:10.840
<v Speaker 4>by a cannon, and so he built himself a fully

1541
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:13.479
<v Speaker 4>articulated metal arm that he could hold a sword with

1542
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:17.680
<v Speaker 4>and it was magnetic in the palm and he was

1543
01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:20.359
<v Speaker 4>able to raise this thing and sort of command his troops.

1544
01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:23.159
<v Speaker 4>And he actually lived to a much older age than

1545
01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:26.840
<v Speaker 4>most mercenaries did back then, and you know, he died

1546
01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.560
<v Speaker 4>in his like seventies, which is kind of incredible for

1547
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.720
<v Speaker 4>a guy who lived as rough as he did. And

1548
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:35.000
<v Speaker 4>so later on the Nazis adopted this guy's name for

1549
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:39.319
<v Speaker 4>their battalion, the uh I think it was the Waffing

1550
01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:42.039
<v Speaker 4>Grenaders or something like that. But the whole idea was,

1551
01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:44.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, he was this folk symbol from back then.

1552
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:51.079
<v Speaker 4>And then if you look at this one manga called Berserk,

1553
01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:55.600
<v Speaker 4>you've got a German mercenary with a fully articulated metal

1554
01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:59.159
<v Speaker 4>arm that carries a massive sword around and cuts people

1555
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:00.840
<v Speaker 4>in half of stuff.

1556
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:01.079
<v Speaker 6>Right.

1557
01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:05.319
<v Speaker 4>And so somehow before the Internet, this guy's writing this

1558
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:08.640
<v Speaker 4>manga about sort of like this German mercenary that was

1559
01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:11.800
<v Speaker 4>already idealized by the by the Nazi Party and sort

1560
01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:15.560
<v Speaker 4>of became this folk symbol, you know. So it's it's

1561
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:18.119
<v Speaker 4>a really funny connection because the guy had no connection

1562
01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:21.319
<v Speaker 4>to you know, this culture knew anything about it when

1563
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:25.479
<v Speaker 4>he started making his character Guts, And the guy's name

1564
01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:30.399
<v Speaker 4>is God's von Berlichingen and Guts his name is Guts

1565
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.920
<v Speaker 4>in the comic book series. So there's just all sorts

1566
01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:36.359
<v Speaker 4>of crossover and no real explanation for it.

1567
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>But like even back in medieval times too, I think

1568
01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>they used to even used to like make like hand

1569
01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>decoration things too, like that guy had as well. Yeah,

1570
01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking that story.

1571
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:55.880
<v Speaker 6>I found a chart online. There's several of these charts

1572
01:30:55.960 --> 01:31:01.520
<v Speaker 6>and their Masonic hand gestures. It's very interesting. It's almost

1573
01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:05.760
<v Speaker 6>as if they could essentially carry out a conversation just

1574
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:09.479
<v Speaker 6>using their hands, if any of this is correct. Becaus

1575
01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:11.600
<v Speaker 6>I was thinking about Nick earlier. You did something like

1576
01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:18.000
<v Speaker 6>this right like, you showed this appointing finger. I think,

1577
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:20.159
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, maybe you were talking about something else,

1578
01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:24.479
<v Speaker 6>but you know this right here, right like. I look

1579
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:28.680
<v Speaker 6>that up and it's like a G in sign language.

1580
01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:33.439
<v Speaker 6>So now I thought about the G and like the Masons,

1581
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:36.840
<v Speaker 6>so I went and looked at the Mason handshart and

1582
01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:42.880
<v Speaker 6>this same hand gesture for the Masons means caution. It says,

1583
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:53.800
<v Speaker 6>it means a indexing or caution. But then I found

1584
01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:57.720
<v Speaker 6>all these other interesting things that the Masons have, so

1585
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.840
<v Speaker 6>it's almost like they have their own little type of sign.

1586
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Language going on. Just don't what's this. Uh, let me

1587
01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:10.560
<v Speaker 2>see see if there's one for that.

1588
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:14.640
<v Speaker 4>One of the most common. It's Mason in distress.

1589
01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:16.319
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, so I see that.

1590
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:17.159
<v Speaker 2>It says.

1591
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>That is this right?

1592
01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:23.880
<v Speaker 4>Wait, no, no, Mason, it's like this, you're doing the

1593
01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:25.760
<v Speaker 4>chi ball. That's Mason in distress.

1594
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.399
<v Speaker 6>Well, so, I don't know what this is, but one

1595
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:33.199
<v Speaker 6>of somebody's got that listed as as Buddha Patra Mundra

1596
01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.560
<v Speaker 6>Buddha Patra Mundra madra.

1597
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:38.359
<v Speaker 4>That hands.

1598
01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:42.039
<v Speaker 6>So I don't know what that means, but.

1599
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Do it again.

1600
01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Sorry about that.

1601
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:53.239
<v Speaker 4>I think it has something to do with the chia ball, right,

1602
01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:57.079
<v Speaker 4>because as you're creating the energy that's used a lot

1603
01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:01.520
<v Speaker 4>in Tai Chi and other you know, Uasai Buddhist uh,

1604
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:06.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, influenced stuff. So I don't know. I'm not

1605
01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:07.119
<v Speaker 4>at the expert in netfield.

1606
01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>This is an ethan question, but Taoism and Buddhism can

1607
01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>be conceptually treated as the same in my opinion. So

1608
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.359
<v Speaker 2>someone gives you shit about it, just like Jen told me,

1609
01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:21.520
<v Speaker 2>install you Okay, so.

1610
01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:23.279
<v Speaker 4>I was looking forward to eat it because he knows

1611
01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:27.720
<v Speaker 4>all these mudras, you know, hands little. I know a

1612
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.680
<v Speaker 4>little bit about the nijitsu hand signs, right. So they

1613
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.960
<v Speaker 4>had their own system of mudras that they were supposed

1614
01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:36.840
<v Speaker 4>to use to get into calm states of mind. And

1615
01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:41.880
<v Speaker 4>so you have all these different mudras that these ninjas

1616
01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:45.079
<v Speaker 4>would use before going into battle as sort of like

1617
01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:49.760
<v Speaker 4>a I guess ch magic, right. And so they've got

1618
01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:53.840
<v Speaker 4>these different ones that kind of look like this, and

1619
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:58.920
<v Speaker 4>other ones that kind of look like a dragon. Right.

1620
01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.079
<v Speaker 4>So the these different moodras are supposed to channel energy

1621
01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:02.760
<v Speaker 4>in different ways.

1622
01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>The animal hand signals. If you watch Naruto, it explains

1623
01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>this entire concept, like really, well, each hand sign is

1624
01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:18.279
<v Speaker 2>related to constellation. Also an animal with the zodiac, Yeah,

1625
01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>exactly what Hella said. It unlocks that gate of energy

1626
01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:26.479
<v Speaker 2>chi you could say. And it also invokes the divine

1627
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>lightning strike from the goddess marshy ten. There's not always

1628
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a goddess. Sometimes she's a god is she's kind of

1629
01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>mythraic in that way, can be a god and sometimes

1630
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:40.880
<v Speaker 2>a goddess not hermaphrodite. Just different people have different underset

1631
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:44.279
<v Speaker 2>ways of looking at her. But in Buddhism we say

1632
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:44.680
<v Speaker 2>it's a girl.

1633
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:49.640
<v Speaker 4>I think it's just a really interesting way of casting spells.

1634
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:49.800
<v Speaker 6>You know.

1635
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:52.119
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure that they had stuff like that in other places.

1636
01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:54.960
<v Speaker 4>And also we didn't even get into palmistry. I mean

1637
01:34:55.159 --> 01:34:58.159
<v Speaker 4>didn't Palmistry used to be the biggest form of divination forever.

1638
01:34:58.359 --> 01:34:58.520
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1639
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:00.720
<v Speaker 4>That's that's very mystic, that was huge for.

1640
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>A long time. Yeah, that's a good point too.

1641
01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:09.199
<v Speaker 4>I mean, your whole life mapped out on the palm

1642
01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:11.159
<v Speaker 4>of your hand, That's that's pretty important, I think.

1643
01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, a lot of people, like I mean, they

1644
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty much you know, adhered to that to un extend,

1645
01:35:20.600 --> 01:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, kind of like how people

1646
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>are with astrology. They'll actually be like, oh, you know,

1647
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>mercury is in retrograde grade retrogrades, no matter what, my

1648
01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>life's fucked up, you know what I'm saying, Like you

1649
01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>just you automatically already put you you know, into a structure.

1650
01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:36.399
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1651
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:40.479
<v Speaker 4>Right, but like any system, I think you can you

1652
01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:43.800
<v Speaker 4>can maximize its you know, effectiveness, just by looking for

1653
01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:46.359
<v Speaker 4>the positive things and how to use those signals.

1654
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Right. Uh, there was something else too, with another hand symbol.

1655
01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Is there any other hand signs? For some reason, I

1656
01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>was thinking of one and escaped me. Now I can't

1657
01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>remember that thousands yeah, I know, for some reason, I

1658
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>can't think of any right now.

1659
01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:05.600
<v Speaker 4>Jesus, what about that one? When did that one get popular?

1660
01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:06.000
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1661
01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:08.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's that's pretty powerful, you know. I mean,

1662
01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:13.520
<v Speaker 4>if you're thinking about so this this represented erect fallus

1663
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:18.159
<v Speaker 4>to the Greeks, right. The alternative was the fig, which

1664
01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:23.520
<v Speaker 4>represented the glitters. So yeah, the fig, Yeah, the erect

1665
01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:26.439
<v Speaker 4>Pallas and so these these ideas too. You've got sun

1666
01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:31.359
<v Speaker 4>and mood, male and female. All this duality is contained

1667
01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:35.319
<v Speaker 4>within the hands sign language. Do we even mention sign language?

1668
01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:35.640
<v Speaker 3>No?

1669
01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I wondered about that, but I was just like,

1670
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:40.399
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if that would like take us.

1671
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:44.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I want to see a mute person

1672
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:46.159
<v Speaker 4>cast spells.

1673
01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck.

1674
01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1675
01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:52.960
<v Speaker 6>That's kind of why I looked up the sun language chart,

1676
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:54.760
<v Speaker 6>because I was wondering if there were any kind of

1677
01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:57.760
<v Speaker 6>connections between what we saw today and sign language.

1678
01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see many. They might be there, though, Did

1679
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:03.520
<v Speaker 2>they even use.

1680
01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:07.640
<v Speaker 4>Sign it said? It was said that all the Native

1681
01:37:07.640 --> 01:37:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Americans had a type of sign language that went between

1682
01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:12.319
<v Speaker 4>all the different tribes, so they had their own languages,

1683
01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:14.720
<v Speaker 4>but they spoke at a common sign language between all

1684
01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:15.199
<v Speaker 4>the tribes.

1685
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go. It only works. It really only

1686
01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:25.680
<v Speaker 2>works between related ethno linguistic groups. So like if you're

1687
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>going from like Cree to Ojibway, which are related, or

1688
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>even like Ojibway to Abenaki or Menominee or all those

1689
01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:38.439
<v Speaker 2>ones on the East coast, you can do it because

1690
01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:43.199
<v Speaker 2>you have enough consonant value to ascribe like the symbols,

1691
01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:46.119
<v Speaker 2>like the right meaning to the right symbol. But when

1692
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:50.319
<v Speaker 2>you're going away from like those dialoctical groups, your your

1693
01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:52.640
<v Speaker 2>language is too decoherent from each other, so it's not

1694
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:56.000
<v Speaker 2>going to really make sense. But yeah, no, you're totally right, Headless.

1695
01:37:56.079 --> 01:37:59.439
<v Speaker 2>They did use a trading sign language, and it's actually

1696
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:03.640
<v Speaker 2>it's not I wouldn't say it's hugely significant, but it's

1697
01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:07.199
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just something interesting is that they've as what

1698
01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Nick was saying, they didn't really have sign language because

1699
01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>they've constantly reformed what sign language is like even until now.

1700
01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:17.279
<v Speaker 2>They keep updating it, changing words, adding words, just like

1701
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:21.880
<v Speaker 2>we do in English, but it's more formal, so it's

1702
01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:25.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a language that's constantly never quite the same,

1703
01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>like in it one generation, ten years, you could say

1704
01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>it changes significantly.

1705
01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:37.720
<v Speaker 4>Well, I just think about the rivers and how they

1706
01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:40.079
<v Speaker 4>would speak to each other, you know, going up and

1707
01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:44.039
<v Speaker 4>down all these open waters, and to me, it's it

1708
01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:46.239
<v Speaker 4>says a lot about the different communities and how they

1709
01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:48.600
<v Speaker 4>related to each other. You know, there's there was some

1710
01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:51.520
<v Speaker 4>kind of a familial bond that you know, occurred back

1711
01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:54.199
<v Speaker 4>when they both spoke the same language and then diverted

1712
01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:56.159
<v Speaker 4>off from each other. I mean, there's just so many

1713
01:38:56.319 --> 01:38:59.720
<v Speaker 4>like images that you get from the different stories from

1714
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:02.439
<v Speaker 4>the name of Americans that really ties into the ground

1715
01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:04.159
<v Speaker 4>that we're on that nobody really thinks about.

1716
01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:10.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there's a notion too that some of the rock

1717
01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:16.920
<v Speaker 6>art is related in some type of way to assign

1718
01:39:17.359 --> 01:39:22.319
<v Speaker 6>sign language. And you know, I'm not an expert on that,

1719
01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:25.399
<v Speaker 6>but I do you find that that connection is very interesting.

1720
01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:28.640
<v Speaker 6>Like it's like coded, you know what I mean, It's

1721
01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:31.359
<v Speaker 6>like it's like double coded. At that point, you've got

1722
01:39:31.560 --> 01:39:36.239
<v Speaker 6>art based on sign language that's very cryptic, and.

1723
01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:38.560
<v Speaker 4>The ochre that they were using to put this stuff

1724
01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:41.119
<v Speaker 4>up has it faded in hundreds and hundreds of years.

1725
01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:43.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean that ochre doesn't usually last that long, so

1726
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:45.720
<v Speaker 4>there was some other process for them to get it

1727
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:46.439
<v Speaker 4>to stick like that.

1728
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:50.079
<v Speaker 6>Well, that's that's the thing. They had, these methods.

1729
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:50.840
<v Speaker 2>They were able to.

1730
01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:57.119
<v Speaker 6>Harden copper. They could they could take copper, which is

1731
01:39:57.479 --> 01:40:01.239
<v Speaker 6>you know, Malleable's part of its values that you can

1732
01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:03.960
<v Speaker 6>you can mold it to a shape. But then they

1733
01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:06.279
<v Speaker 6>were able to put it through some sort of process

1734
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:08.720
<v Speaker 6>where they could take they could make this, they could

1735
01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:11.680
<v Speaker 6>make copper and the shape of tools and then harden

1736
01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:15.880
<v Speaker 6>the copper so the tools wouldn't break. So there was

1737
01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:25.920
<v Speaker 6>all kinds of alchemy going on copper, right.

1738
01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:29.239
<v Speaker 4>Hi Festus was this guy to blacksmith, and he was

1739
01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:32.640
<v Speaker 4>also part of these idea in Dactyls coming from you know,

1740
01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:35.760
<v Speaker 4>Mount Olympus. So it's like any tradesman, anybody who worked

1741
01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:38.520
<v Speaker 4>with their hands were sort of pushed into that same

1742
01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:42.159
<v Speaker 4>role of having this elevated status of being able to be,

1743
01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:45.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, among the people playing the games. So it

1744
01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:47.800
<v Speaker 4>was all part of their the religious culture.

1745
01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:54.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the one that interests me and this is something

1746
01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:58.560
<v Speaker 6>I'd love to know more about. But the thought or

1747
01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:01.520
<v Speaker 6>the theory that they were putting copper on top of

1748
01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:05.640
<v Speaker 6>the mounds or some of their even even pyramids, because

1749
01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:08.720
<v Speaker 6>at one time Kahukia said to have at least one

1750
01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:11.760
<v Speaker 6>hundred pyramids up there right outside of Saint Louis. And

1751
01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:15.760
<v Speaker 6>you know, I've seen the idea thrown around by researchers

1752
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:18.439
<v Speaker 6>that they were putting copper on top for some reason.

1753
01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:22.239
<v Speaker 6>So maybe there's some sort of a conductive element there

1754
01:41:22.359 --> 01:41:25.520
<v Speaker 6>that they were utilizing receive the lightning strike.

1755
01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:31.279
<v Speaker 2>It's a very literal but also very metaphysical way to

1756
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>describe like the same thing. Like what however you understand it? Yeah,

1757
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I think you're totally right t him. I think they

1758
01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>would have put it like all the implements, you know,

1759
01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:43.319
<v Speaker 2>like the city in Florida's described as like having like

1760
01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:48.239
<v Speaker 2>the rods of gold and you know, nuts of pearls

1761
01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:52.319
<v Speaker 2>and like very it can be both metaphysical and material

1762
01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:55.680
<v Speaker 2>because it means something in both kinds of languages. So

1763
01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I think your inclination is totally right. Like every magician

1764
01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.159
<v Speaker 2>wants to ease and self into the well, pource himself

1765
01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:05.239
<v Speaker 2>into the experience with all the you know, shiny tools.

1766
01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:10.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and you know there's there was an obelisk at

1767
01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:15.800
<v Speaker 6>Serpent Mound and they said that they removed it because

1768
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.560
<v Speaker 6>it was getting struck by lightning constantly. And I'm wondering,

1769
01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:23.119
<v Speaker 6>if you know, was there something metaphysical to that, and

1770
01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:26.119
<v Speaker 6>you know, to the reason why, was it like charging

1771
01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:27.680
<v Speaker 6>the whole area or something.

1772
01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Just curious?

1773
01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:35.720
<v Speaker 4>Well, the IDs i ods created after a lightning striker

1774
01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:39.439
<v Speaker 4>hugely beneficial to the soil, so there is a fertility

1775
01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:40.159
<v Speaker 4>aspect of that.

1776
01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, it relates also to your idea of turquoise, Tim,

1777
01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:50.319
<v Speaker 2>is that the lightning can also be described as turquoise

1778
01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>in quality, turquoise in color. It's because it's really clear,

1779
01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:56.479
<v Speaker 2>but it might appear to us as blue. The contours

1780
01:42:56.520 --> 01:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>appear to us as blue, but it's really crystaline in

1781
01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>its core, So it's like a diamond thunder matrix.

1782
01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:02.359
<v Speaker 1>You could say.

1783
01:43:02.760 --> 01:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's but that is can also be described as turquoise.

1784
01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:09.359
<v Speaker 2>It just depends on, you know, your cultural context. But

1785
01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:13.319
<v Speaker 2>most people would understand that, like a serious metaphysician would say, oh, yeah,

1786
01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:17.159
<v Speaker 2>there's a similarity there. There's something that aligns with like

1787
01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:19.560
<v Speaker 2>lightning specifically and the color turquoise.

1788
01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:26.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it reminds me of what was it I saw

1789
01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:31.760
<v Speaker 6>that there was some magicians were using I think it

1790
01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:36.039
<v Speaker 6>was wood from a tree that had been struck by lightning,

1791
01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:39.079
<v Speaker 6>and they were taking the wood and turning it into

1792
01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:44.319
<v Speaker 6>a wand and I guess the thought process there is

1793
01:43:44.399 --> 01:43:45.960
<v Speaker 6>that once the wood is struck by.

1794
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Lightning, it's charged. It's charged. So this is a cemetery practice.

1795
01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:54.479
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if I was going to bring this up,

1796
01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:57.159
<v Speaker 2>but it is really interesting since you did say it.

1797
01:43:57.560 --> 01:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>So to get lightning struck like this is pretty universal

1798
01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:03.840
<v Speaker 2>as far as I understand, Like you see it in

1799
01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:06.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different systems of magic, and so lightning

1800
01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:09.600
<v Speaker 2>struck wood is the is like the lignum vita, right,

1801
01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:14.119
<v Speaker 2>especially if it's from specific, very specific kinds of wood.

1802
01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:16.399
<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting because the kinds of wood seem to

1803
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:19.760
<v Speaker 2>be relatively universal, like everybody has their outlier. In tropical

1804
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:22.520
<v Speaker 2>countries kind of do their own thing, but the more

1805
01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:26.600
<v Speaker 2>temperate countries they prefer elder. Even in China, like a

1806
01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Taoist to forge a Daoist like a magic sword to

1807
01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:33.520
<v Speaker 2>expel ghosts, you have to get a lightning struck elder

1808
01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:37.159
<v Speaker 2>from the cemetery on a specific kind of moon alignment.

1809
01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:41.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like so specific. Yeah, and especially if the if

1810
01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:44.279
<v Speaker 2>someone is buried under it. It should be a first son.

1811
01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:47.479
<v Speaker 2>There's all these prescriptions, so it's like almost impossible to

1812
01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>do it.

1813
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.319
<v Speaker 1>It's worst than getting like where they say you can

1814
01:44:51.359 --> 01:44:54.199
<v Speaker 1>get like a wand from a holly tree on a Wednesday.

1815
01:44:56.039 --> 01:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>You got it off with one swoop.

1816
01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:03.479
<v Speaker 4>What are the odds that they might be using al

1817
01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:06.880
<v Speaker 4>chemical symbolism, so all of these things could relate to

1818
01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:09.840
<v Speaker 4>other things within like tcmors stuff like that.

1819
01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:16.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're definitely onto something headless like this is

1820
01:45:16.439 --> 01:45:21.560
<v Speaker 2>very doctrine of signatures. Even in Native American medicine will

1821
01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:24.239
<v Speaker 2>call it broadly. Look at Dan Mormon's book. He has

1822
01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:28.319
<v Speaker 2>a whole section on what he calls lightning medicine. Lightning

1823
01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:31.680
<v Speaker 2>medicine directly corresponds to what is also called horse medicine

1824
01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and what is also called wolf medicine. Those three things

1825
01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:39.960
<v Speaker 2>aren't necessarily the same diagnosis, but they're all interrelated. So

1826
01:45:40.279 --> 01:45:45.760
<v Speaker 2>they would treat like edema is a really like lightning signature,

1827
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:47.800
<v Speaker 2>we would call it, so that is treated by the

1828
01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:53.920
<v Speaker 2>external application of elder bark onto the swollen elephant titus

1829
01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:57.640
<v Speaker 2>joints basically, and it would help drain out. It's a

1830
01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>harsh purgative. You're when you're talking about the inner core

1831
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of the wood. Now you know the berries and the flowers.

1832
01:46:05.279 --> 01:46:08.399
<v Speaker 2>That's totally fine, but it's a very strong purgative, so

1833
01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:11.800
<v Speaker 2>it really drains the water downwards. That's how it's considered.

1834
01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Anything to do with Native America. No, sorry, the Americas.

1835
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:22.119
<v Speaker 3>That what you just said about the horse and the wolf.

1836
01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely so the horse medicine is agrimony, So it's for

1837
01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>both external injuries like stress, muscle stress especially, and then

1838
01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:40.960
<v Speaker 2>wolf medicine would be for if you have very leaky gut,

1839
01:46:41.159 --> 01:46:45.119
<v Speaker 2>like if you have a camp fever malaria, which also

1840
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:49.680
<v Speaker 2>can interestingly be treated with agrimony, which in kudo and

1841
01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:53.560
<v Speaker 2>also Native American sort of medicine systems is used to

1842
01:46:53.680 --> 01:47:00.119
<v Speaker 2>repel lightning. So again the Culpepper was right. The you know,

1843
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the medicine and the poison there, you know, they're interrelated things.

1844
01:47:06.439 --> 01:47:08.159
<v Speaker 3>And the reason I ask is because I remember how,

1845
01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:13.479
<v Speaker 3>like we had discussed previously, how the oldest I believe

1846
01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:18.159
<v Speaker 3>in fossils, the oldest fossil remnants that you that we have,

1847
01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:22.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, at least on document comes from the Americas.

1848
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:25.319
<v Speaker 3>So they believe that the point of origin for the

1849
01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:31.479
<v Speaker 3>equus species and for the canids originate in North America.

1850
01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:35.079
<v Speaker 3>In the Americas. Sorry, And so when you said Horace

1851
01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:38.600
<v Speaker 3>and Wolf, that immediately reminded me of that. And that's,

1852
01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:40.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, a little bit of a basis of my

1853
01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:43.399
<v Speaker 3>theory where I think that the point of origin for

1854
01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Homo sapiens maybe came from the Americas and we migrated westward,

1855
01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:53.880
<v Speaker 3>so because we followed them, because that's what the fossil

1856
01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:58.520
<v Speaker 3>record shows, is that the equus and the canine species

1857
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:01.439
<v Speaker 3>moved westward rust that way.

1858
01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that I've been telling people this for years,

1859
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:07.399
<v Speaker 2>is like I totally agree with you, Lisa, Like one

1860
01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:09.600
<v Speaker 2>hundred we'll say one hundred and ten percent, use a

1861
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:12.760
<v Speaker 2>magic number, but yeah, I totally agree with you. Is

1862
01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:17.119
<v Speaker 2>that you know, like there are so people don't know this,

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01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:20.000
<v Speaker 2>but we have cactuses here not where necessarily where I live,

1864
01:48:20.079 --> 01:48:24.159
<v Speaker 2>but in the northern prairies. So the older name for

1865
01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:28.039
<v Speaker 2>them is actually horse cactus. A newer name for them

1866
01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:32.840
<v Speaker 2>is actually wolf cactus. So it's interesting because how are

1867
01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:36.079
<v Speaker 2>they named. Well, they're named for the shadow they cast

1868
01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:39.560
<v Speaker 2>in reflection to the light. So and you can see

1869
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it like if you hold up like a torch or

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01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:44.920
<v Speaker 2>a flashlight. Even at night, they actually kind of look

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01:48:45.039 --> 01:48:47.720
<v Speaker 2>like a horse's shadow or a dog shadow. So I

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01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>always realize this as a kid, and I was like, yeah,

1873
01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:52.760
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really make sense, this introduction of horses, because

1874
01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:55.279
<v Speaker 2>how would they the planes were only settled in the

1875
01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:59.199
<v Speaker 2>seventeen hundred, it wouldn't even make sense. So yeah, I

1876
01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:01.960
<v Speaker 2>totally with you. And even in Creed the word for

1877
01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:06.359
<v Speaker 2>a horse is big dog or big wolf sometimes, so

1878
01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:11.119
<v Speaker 2>there's an interrelationship between those things and how they're understood

1879
01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>to like appear in the world. And maybe it you know,

1880
01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:17.720
<v Speaker 2>the dog and the wolf. Yes, different obviously, especially in

1881
01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:20.479
<v Speaker 2>topic iconography, but there's an inter relationship. And you can

1882
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:24.239
<v Speaker 2>say always associated with lightning, horses always always associated with

1883
01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>at least the sound of lightning or that nay. Sometimes

1884
01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:31.319
<v Speaker 2>in tounch we'll say that horse's nae is right. So yeah,

1885
01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>they're all interrelated things. And I agree with you that

1886
01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:37.479
<v Speaker 2>we I don't think we quite understand our origin. I

1887
01:49:37.520 --> 01:49:39.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't mean to go on a New World tangent, but yeah,

1888
01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm very pro New World.

1889
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely. One thing I wanted to interject it is

1890
01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:49.479
<v Speaker 3>about the hand, but it's not related to occultism is

1891
01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:56.640
<v Speaker 3>that fingerprints on the hand they are unique to each

1892
01:49:56.680 --> 01:49:59.199
<v Speaker 3>individual person. And one of the things that I wanted

1893
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:00.720
<v Speaker 3>to mention bes I don't know if a lot of

1894
01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:05.199
<v Speaker 3>people know this is with identical twins. No, two identical

1895
01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:08.039
<v Speaker 3>twins have the exact same fingerprint, even though they have

1896
01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:17.000
<v Speaker 3>the same DNA relatively. Yeah, So designed to insert that there, No.

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01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:19.079
<v Speaker 4>I think you're on to something. I mean, think about

1898
01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:22.840
<v Speaker 4>why palmistry makes sense is because you've got something individual

1899
01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:24.880
<v Speaker 4>to you on each one of your fingers, So why

1900
01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:28.000
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't you have more about your life going on in

1901
01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:32.479
<v Speaker 4>the rest of your hands. And so I also wanted

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01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:36.479
<v Speaker 4>to bring up the Mississippian hand eye symbol. Right, So

1903
01:50:36.600 --> 01:50:39.399
<v Speaker 4>if you follow doctor Greg Little on Twitter, you're always

1904
01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:44.279
<v Speaker 4>seeing these cut out of bronze down in the Mississippian culture.

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01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:47.359
<v Speaker 4>So these were in the mounds, as this hand eye

1906
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:52.600
<v Speaker 4>symbol is basically ubiquitous all over the Mississippian culture. So

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01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:55.159
<v Speaker 4>I thought that was important too, because there you go,

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01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:57.199
<v Speaker 4>that's that hand symbolism popping up again.

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01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:02.079
<v Speaker 6>Hey Jesus know what mound or what area that one

1910
01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:06.920
<v Speaker 6>was was found. I'm just curious. That's pretty well well Mississippians.

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01:51:07.399 --> 01:51:11.399
<v Speaker 6>We're central to around Saint Louis, Right, they had a

1912
01:51:11.479 --> 01:51:14.800
<v Speaker 6>bunch of mound sites around there and big old platforms

1913
01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:18.640
<v Speaker 6>that were eventually bulldozed and used for other things. But

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01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:20.600
<v Speaker 6>I think there are still a couple of mounds.

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01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:24.960
<v Speaker 4>But that's the Mississippians were way pre Columbus, so they

1916
01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:28.640
<v Speaker 4>didn't ever have any interactions with the Europeans later on,

1917
01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:31.720
<v Speaker 4>but who knows if there was influences before them.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so that was Do you think that that symbol

1919
01:51:35.439 --> 01:51:38.760
<v Speaker 6>was found at you know, Kahokia, perhaps Monks Mound or

1920
01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:40.600
<v Speaker 6>Coke Mound.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they were related. I'd have to look out

1922
01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:45.720
<v Speaker 4>the exact dates.

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01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Now either way.

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01:51:47.439 --> 01:51:51.720
<v Speaker 6>That's super interesting And like I like doctor greg Little's

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01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:54.319
<v Speaker 6>work a lot, and I've been wanting to know more

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01:51:54.359 --> 01:51:56.479
<v Speaker 6>about that because I've seen that, right, I've seen those

1927
01:51:56.560 --> 01:51:59.560
<v Speaker 6>images with the hand with the eye in it. I

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01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:02.399
<v Speaker 6>just I really want to look more into where those

1929
01:52:02.439 --> 01:52:02.960
<v Speaker 6>were found.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:08.439
<v Speaker 4>Just follow his account. He's always posting that stuff and

1932
01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:10.159
<v Speaker 4>where it can be found and all the rest of it.

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01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:14.800
<v Speaker 2>There's a great book that I've referenced before, but it's

1934
01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Jason Berry. He wrote a book on Blackhawk who's a

1935
01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:23.159
<v Speaker 2>spiritualist saint from Wisconsin. He talks about the Mississippian snake cult,

1936
01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:28.520
<v Speaker 2>how there was parts of African, European indigenous and so,

1937
01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:32.840
<v Speaker 2>and probably a lot of the Christian snake handling actually

1938
01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:37.399
<v Speaker 2>comes from more like that than it does from a

1939
01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:40.800
<v Speaker 2>biblical source. I'm not saying they never did it in like,

1940
01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:43.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Middle East, but I think that, yeah,

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01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:47.960
<v Speaker 2>it probably has more Americanized roots than maybe people are

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01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:48.600
<v Speaker 2>comfortable with.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what I keep talking about about meditating on

1944
01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:56.279
<v Speaker 4>this hand to Sabazios because you know, again it's snake

1945
01:52:56.359 --> 01:53:01.600
<v Speaker 4>handling right there, and snake handling. There's something about these

1946
01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:05.920
<v Speaker 4>two symbols. They go together. And you see it in Ophiucas, right,

1947
01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.479
<v Speaker 4>he's the snake handler, He's got these other things. There's

1948
01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:11.359
<v Speaker 4>something about hand symbolism and snakes that kind of go

1949
01:53:11.439 --> 01:53:12.079
<v Speaker 4>along together.

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<v Speaker 6>There's there's a hand signal with the eye on it

1951
01:53:21.279 --> 01:53:25.960
<v Speaker 6>that is Hebrew in origin. It's called Hamza. And I

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01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:28.399
<v Speaker 6>think maybe the air the air version is the hand

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<v Speaker 6>of Fatima.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think I had the I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really say much about it. I'll bring it up for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Go for it.

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01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you got it. Oh, no, not much.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just that I'm I looked it up to Sakonda

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01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:43.920
<v Speaker 6>refresh from my memory on it, and it's saying that

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01:53:44.039 --> 01:53:47.840
<v Speaker 6>it was a palm shaped ambulant that was used in

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01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:50.520
<v Speaker 6>North Africa even and of course in the Middle East.

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01:53:51.479 --> 01:53:53.600
<v Speaker 6>So and some of the people were using it as

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01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:58.640
<v Speaker 6>a guard against the evil eye. Let's see what did

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01:53:58.640 --> 01:54:01.399
<v Speaker 6>they actually say here, hams has been traditionally believed to

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01:54:01.479 --> 01:54:03.840
<v Speaker 6>provide defense against the evil eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the change it depending on which way

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01:54:06.920 --> 01:54:11.079
<v Speaker 1>it is. It also makes differences to I've heard that

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01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the fingers a down.

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01:54:12.920 --> 01:54:14.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there's an inverted version.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah Turkish, no exactly what, but it is called actual

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01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.640
<v Speaker 2>gem and uh okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So early use of this can be traced back to

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01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:38.800
<v Speaker 6>ambulance associated with the goddess in an ari ishtar. That's

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01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:39.760
<v Speaker 6>very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It always goes back to the star goddess. I mean,

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01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:49.319
<v Speaker 2>that's the Himalayan story. Tara is the star, that's what

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01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:52.279
<v Speaker 2>her name means. So I totally agree with you, tim

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01:54:53.399 --> 01:54:56.720
<v Speaker 2>A start a far. I'm not saying they're all the same,

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01:54:57.119 --> 01:54:59.279
<v Speaker 2>but they're they're all interrelated.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Or Aphrodite is another name here, it's used it seems

1982
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.479
<v Speaker 6>like it's like, oh, the same symbol if you look

1983
01:55:07.520 --> 01:55:10.439
<v Speaker 6>at but in different cultures it's the it's a different

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01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:12.399
<v Speaker 6>name for a similar goddess.

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<v Speaker 4>This one's wrist has been punched This one's wrist has

1986
01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:18.920
<v Speaker 4>been punched out. But normally there's supposed to be a

1987
01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:22.079
<v Speaker 4>woman nursing a baby inside of the wrist part right

1988
01:55:22.119 --> 01:55:27.000
<v Speaker 4>there on that hand to Sabazios. Yeah, right there in

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01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:30.840
<v Speaker 4>the cave, she's supposed to be nursing the young god

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01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:34.560
<v Speaker 4>Sabazios before he can rise up to his higher form.

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01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:40.119
<v Speaker 4>It's all in there, dude. It's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know that this in particular could just well,

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01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:48.600
<v Speaker 6>what if here this is just a big one. If

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01:55:49.439 --> 01:55:52.760
<v Speaker 6>this this hand the eye in the hand symbol going

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01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:57.640
<v Speaker 6>back to these Mediterranean roots and Hebrew even it's like

1996
01:55:58.319 --> 01:56:01.880
<v Speaker 6>that could have something to do with this theory that

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01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:04.000
<v Speaker 6>there were Hebrew people over here before.

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<v Speaker 2>Columbus, well before Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm looking at a location in Tennessee right now that

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01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:14.520
<v Speaker 6>I'm researching where there is a wall. It's one of

2002
01:56:14.600 --> 01:56:18.239
<v Speaker 6>these rock walls that's underground, similar to the one out

2003
01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:21.920
<v Speaker 6>in Texas, but people have dug it up. I found

2004
01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:23.920
<v Speaker 6>a couple of people who have dug it up. They

2005
01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:28.520
<v Speaker 6>claimed that there were Hebrew symbols on the wall, and

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01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:30.680
<v Speaker 6>then there's other Hebrew artifacts. If you look at the

2007
01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:34.800
<v Speaker 6>Back creekstone that was found here in Tennessee, it was

2008
01:56:34.880 --> 01:56:37.479
<v Speaker 6>found really close to an old Cherokee city, but it

2009
01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:39.479
<v Speaker 6>had Hebrew on it, Paleo Hebrew.

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01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:43.239
<v Speaker 4>So, Paleo Hebrew. That's that's the key right there. Pale

2011
01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:48.640
<v Speaker 4>so that's Phoenician. Paleo Hebrew is Phoenician.

2012
01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:54.880
<v Speaker 6>Right, So this kind of looks like it might be

2013
01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:57.479
<v Speaker 6>a part of that whole Phoenician thing. The Phoenicians in

2014
01:56:57.560 --> 01:56:59.680
<v Speaker 6>North America potentially.

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01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes, are all over it.

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01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:07.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and what if those were the people who had

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01:57:07.239 --> 01:57:08.760
<v Speaker 6>what if they were the ones who built the.

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01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:14.520
<v Speaker 4>Mounds or you know, probably had some sort of inspiration. Again,

2019
01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:17.399
<v Speaker 4>it's like this cultural diffusion idea. You know, they're taking

2020
01:57:17.520 --> 01:57:20.479
<v Speaker 4>these ideas and they're using it the way that their

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01:57:20.600 --> 01:57:23.000
<v Speaker 4>values and everything else works. So you see a lot

2022
01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:24.720
<v Speaker 4>of inspiration, but they make it their.

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01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Own well, to bring it back maybe to the primordial

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01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:36.640
<v Speaker 2>to the hand symbolism, like maybe in its primordial nature,

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01:57:36.720 --> 01:57:39.079
<v Speaker 2>this is white Tara, so she's associated with the North

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01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Star or North and she has the eye on exactly

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01:57:43.359 --> 01:57:48.159
<v Speaker 2>on her palm, and she's actually dispensing the gesture of

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01:57:48.319 --> 01:57:53.720
<v Speaker 2>boon giving so very interesting, meaning that she can grant

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01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:59.119
<v Speaker 2>anything within the three worlds. That's what they say. So

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01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:03.199
<v Speaker 2>it's very had a chance. But it's up to you.

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01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>That's the difference with Buddhism. It's it's up to you.

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01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:08.439
<v Speaker 2>You have to you have to decide you're going to

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01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:12.119
<v Speaker 2>do it or not. You have to get up there yourself.

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01:58:14.079 --> 01:58:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Talking about doing it yourself and free will reminds me.

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01:58:19.640 --> 01:58:23.079
<v Speaker 3>And then we're talking about the hand, reminds me of

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01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:28.159
<v Speaker 3>the painting by Michelangelo Creation of Adam where God has

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01:58:28.600 --> 01:58:33.720
<v Speaker 3>his finger fully outstretched and Adam's finger is not and

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01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:37.479
<v Speaker 3>there is a gap between the two fingers. A lot

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01:58:37.560 --> 01:58:40.640
<v Speaker 3>of people have and Michaelangel goes on to say that

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01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:45.560
<v Speaker 3>it was to indicate the moment in Genesis when God

2041
01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:51.760
<v Speaker 3>gives the spark of life to man or Adam rather.

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01:58:52.680 --> 01:58:55.560
<v Speaker 3>But what's interesting is that you would think that he

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01:58:56.520 --> 01:58:59.600
<v Speaker 3>because Michael Angel was so precise and so detail oriented,

2044
01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:03.800
<v Speaker 3>and he was a practiced anatomous, He was a closeted anatomius.

2045
01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:07.680
<v Speaker 3>He would go and dig up bodies and do autopsies

2046
01:59:07.840 --> 01:59:10.720
<v Speaker 3>and what have you. So he knew the human body

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01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:13.119
<v Speaker 3>very very I mean he goes on to create the

2048
01:59:13.199 --> 01:59:17.399
<v Speaker 3>David and he even molds you know that muscle within

2049
01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:20.439
<v Speaker 3>the forearm when you know you're lifting a specific finger.

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01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:25.039
<v Speaker 3>So he knew specifically everything about the hand. And yet

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01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:30.479
<v Speaker 3>he paints a painting with Adam having a non outstretched finger,

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01:59:30.920 --> 01:59:33.520
<v Speaker 3>and so to me and a lot of scholarship indicated

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01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:40.920
<v Speaker 3>that Michael Langego Michelangelo was indicating that the non outstretched

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01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:44.680
<v Speaker 3>finger of Adam is indicating free will, is indicating it's

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01:59:44.760 --> 01:59:46.760
<v Speaker 3>there if you want it, you just have to reach

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01:59:46.840 --> 01:59:49.520
<v Speaker 3>for it. You'd have to strive for it, and indicated

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01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:52.159
<v Speaker 3>by the gap. So to build upon what Jen was saying,

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01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:53.520
<v Speaker 3>and then the hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely agree.

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01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well see even like stuff I've said that

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02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I know in some ways, I guess like getting like religious.

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02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:08.600
<v Speaker 1>But you know, God, let's say I have to go

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02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>back towards it. It's not coming towards me. So I

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02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:16.039
<v Speaker 1>can see that I have to make the decision. I

2065
02:00:16.159 --> 02:00:18.800
<v Speaker 1>have that experience. I have to actually make you do

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02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:20.199
<v Speaker 1>the work to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 6>Like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, what else about this Jid is that is that

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02:00:27.520 --> 02:00:29.520
<v Speaker 1>a nipple showing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is then I didn't mean to choose it for that,

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<v Speaker 2>but then as soon as you pulled it up, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm the next gonna love this.

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<v Speaker 6>So but.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it's it's just extremely important. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh, it's it's so outer. Contra would say it's

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02:00:43.760 --> 02:00:46.319
<v Speaker 2>a symbol of her infinite mercy that she can produce

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<v Speaker 2>the milk, but it's really a metaphor for like the

2078
02:00:49.399 --> 02:00:52.359
<v Speaker 2>nourishing of mankind, like Lisa was saying, like there's a

2079
02:00:52.399 --> 02:00:56.399
<v Speaker 2>wisdom process, a dialectical process with yes, you can describe

2080
02:00:56.439 --> 02:00:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it in like the biochemical mechanisms in the body. That's

2081
02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:03.640
<v Speaker 2>totally legitimate and that happens. But then there's also like

2082
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<v Speaker 2>maybe like what you talk about, Nick, there's like these

2083
02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:10.399
<v Speaker 2>while that's happening, so at the same time, there's like

2084
02:01:10.600 --> 02:01:15.359
<v Speaker 2>other layers happening in your consciousness. So maybe they work together.

2085
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's like the secret sauce that like people have

2086
02:01:18.159 --> 02:01:21.840
<v Speaker 2>a hard time putting you know, all together at one time.

2087
02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Is like to get to that a special state like

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02:01:25.760 --> 02:01:29.239
<v Speaker 2>you know easily or they're like readily. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that what I like about this image in particular, for

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<v Speaker 2>our Obviously, Headless is great topic on hand symbolism. I

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<v Speaker 2>like it because it's exactly what you said, Nick Nless.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about free will. It's ultimately like up to people

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<v Speaker 2>how they want to perceive reality. And that's also what

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, what Tara means. She's very associated with

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of loving kindness or Bodi cheetah, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like, how do you want to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. That's what it kind of says to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, do you want to focus on the primordial

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<v Speaker 2>truth or do you want to you know, play in

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<v Speaker 2>the great carnal ground.

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<v Speaker 4>That actually brings up the monkeys paw. It's the paw

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<v Speaker 4>that grants you wishes, right, And so there's there's some

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<v Speaker 4>kind of an aspect of that too. It's like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is the free will that you have. You can grant

2105
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<v Speaker 4>these you can get these wishes, but it may come

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02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:24.680
<v Speaker 4>back and bite you in the ass. You know, the

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<v Speaker 4>things that you think you want might not be that

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<v Speaker 4>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Tarn that thank you, Oh Jim, Do you have anything

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<v Speaker 1>else on this one?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, But I do like that she has her third eye.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that ties in to everything that we like

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02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:49.079
<v Speaker 2>everyone said tonight, And I think it is about perception.

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02:02:49.239 --> 02:02:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like, that's really what matters. That's what I've really

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<v Speaker 2>learned in the last couple of months, like podcasting with

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02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you guys, and you know, on my own show as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously in synthesis we do such interesting work, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've really learned that perception really matters, and it

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<v Speaker 2>really matters like the story you tell and how you

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02:03:07.640 --> 02:03:07.920
<v Speaker 2>tell it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well very well said. Did anybody else have anything that

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to add?

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<v Speaker 4>I learned a lot from you guys about this stuff.

2125
02:03:23.279 --> 02:03:26.640
<v Speaker 5>I took a lot of notes, you know, I always say,

2126
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<v Speaker 5>you know, similism plays a major part in our communication,

2127
02:03:30.319 --> 02:03:34.000
<v Speaker 5>and when you stick to the origins of the simbolism,

2128
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<v Speaker 5>you don't have all these different narratives that people are

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<v Speaker 5>trying to create.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know another thing too, I thought of with

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02:03:43.199 --> 02:03:47.039
<v Speaker 1>the whole. I mean, I don't think it's why people

2132
02:03:47.159 --> 02:03:49.720
<v Speaker 1>do this, but that is a thing that you will

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<v Speaker 1>do in the Maybe this is ruby I'm getting confused,

2134
02:03:56.239 --> 02:04:00.279
<v Speaker 1>but I think you actually, oh no, maybe, yeah, Like

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02:04:00.399 --> 02:04:02.920
<v Speaker 1>people normally go like that and then we like when

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02:04:02.960 --> 02:04:05.800
<v Speaker 1>they charge the corners, they make that handsomeone kind of

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<v Speaker 1>projected out jay Z does that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:11.760
<v Speaker 1>that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>That was also the one of the movements for the

2140
02:04:19.479 --> 02:04:20.279
<v Speaker 3>series The OA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo, there was movements in the OA that I actually

2142
02:04:25.520 --> 02:04:28.800
<v Speaker 1>thought leg it was from the Exagrammars Ritual. It was like,

2143
02:04:29.600 --> 02:04:31.319
<v Speaker 1>looks like that added with a whole bunch of other

2144
02:04:31.359 --> 02:04:32.359
<v Speaker 1>ship that's a.

2145
02:04:32.319 --> 02:04:34.479
<v Speaker 4>Little weirdy did the side of silence?

2146
02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yo, yo, you remember, Yo? You covered that on

2147
02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the fuck You Cover that shiit a long time ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, Yo. That was fun too because I had

2149
02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:46.640
<v Speaker 1>just recently watched it. Yeah, and you told me you

2150
02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:48.199
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about the OA, and I was like, oh,

2151
02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:50.319
<v Speaker 1>fuck yeah, just watched that ship. That ship was wild.

2152
02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:52.760
<v Speaker 1>You know that she would be interesting to cover. That

2153
02:04:52.840 --> 02:04:54.159
<v Speaker 1>ship is so deep that show.

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02:04:55.840 --> 02:04:58.399
<v Speaker 4>There is so much in there. It's just it's crazy,

2155
02:04:58.520 --> 02:05:00.359
<v Speaker 4>layer upon layer of stuff that you can pull out

2156
02:05:00.399 --> 02:05:00.520
<v Speaker 4>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, there's actually a no no you go, uh no,

2158
02:05:07.000 --> 02:05:10.039
<v Speaker 2>there's a There's another great show called The Magicians.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very hipster, millennial and a little annoying sometimes,

2161
02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:19.159
<v Speaker 2>but their magic system uses hand sigils. It's predicated on

2162
02:05:19.800 --> 02:05:22.840
<v Speaker 2>that kind of the Eastern ideas of mudras and like

2163
02:05:24.279 --> 02:05:27.760
<v Speaker 2>pathworking through the hands, but there's also other processes, so

2164
02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:30.239
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of they use a very syncretic way that

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of imagine magic for the camera. So from

2166
02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:37.520
<v Speaker 2>a magician's perspective, it's actually a really cool series. Like, yes,

2167
02:05:37.600 --> 02:05:42.319
<v Speaker 2>annoying characters aside, they you know, they they play with time,

2168
02:05:42.399 --> 02:05:45.800
<v Speaker 2>they play with space, they play with spirits, but they're

2169
02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:48.800
<v Speaker 2>not really religious, they're just magicians. So it's it's a

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02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:51.159
<v Speaker 2>very interesting series and it's also a book if people

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02:05:51.159 --> 02:05:54.079
<v Speaker 2>are interested. I'm not plugging it because I'm friends of them.

2172
02:05:54.119 --> 02:05:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's good.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's got a lot of high camp factors

2174
02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:01.119
<v Speaker 4>and there's so many different reference is in there that

2175
02:06:01.279 --> 02:06:02.920
<v Speaker 4>make it kind of funny if you know what you're

2176
02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:05.279
<v Speaker 4>looking at, because again they do reference a whole lot

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02:06:05.319 --> 02:06:07.079
<v Speaker 4>of different systems and magic outside of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, see, this is the thing we can totally agree

2179
02:06:12.800 --> 02:06:15.199
<v Speaker 2>on this Headlics is that that is a great series

2180
02:06:15.239 --> 02:06:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and it's very millennial, very of that time. But it's

2181
02:06:19.399 --> 02:06:23.279
<v Speaker 2>a perfect encapsulation of like I think, interesting in modern

2182
02:06:23.319 --> 02:06:26.039
<v Speaker 2>ideas about magic, and it's not so contained in like

2183
02:06:26.880 --> 02:06:30.079
<v Speaker 2>crazy ritual performance. It's it's like, yeah, there's a chaos

2184
02:06:30.199 --> 02:06:32.920
<v Speaker 2>magic kind of maybe flavor to the whole thing. It's like,

2185
02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:34.359
<v Speaker 2>how can we problem solve?

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02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:41.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean that whole series on that mythical island

2187
02:06:41.159 --> 02:06:44.279
<v Speaker 4>that they went to inside of the C. S. Lewis novel,

2188
02:06:44.920 --> 02:06:46.720
<v Speaker 4>that was just yeah, I mean that was so on

2189
02:06:46.840 --> 02:06:49.159
<v Speaker 4>the nose. They had so many different references from my

2190
02:06:49.279 --> 02:06:52.119
<v Speaker 4>childhood right there, and all these lion, the witch and

2191
02:06:52.159 --> 02:06:53.800
<v Speaker 4>the wardrobe type references.

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02:06:54.880 --> 02:06:57.159
<v Speaker 2>It's the inversion of the C. S. Lewis story in

2193
02:06:57.279 --> 02:07:00.760
<v Speaker 2>a funny way, right like, because it's a it's camp,

2194
02:07:01.079 --> 02:07:03.199
<v Speaker 2>but it's violent when they go to the C. S.

2195
02:07:03.279 --> 02:07:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Lewis world. Those people aren't nice. It's not like little gnomes.

2196
02:07:06.119 --> 02:07:09.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like the gnomes will eat your face, so you know,

2197
02:07:09.800 --> 02:07:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and I mean that's what I mean. It happens so

2198
02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:16.359
<v Speaker 2>many characters die and die in horrific ways, so it's

2199
02:07:16.399 --> 02:07:19.119
<v Speaker 2>a it's a very interesting show just from that perspective.

2200
02:07:19.119 --> 02:07:21.199
<v Speaker 2>And then sometimes they even get resurrected.

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<v Speaker 1>Right face right off. Can't trust the motherfuckers.

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02:07:28.159 --> 02:07:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Just real quick. Sorry. The two things, there are certain

2203
02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:37.079
<v Speaker 3>primates that cannot fully extend their index finger. So that

2204
02:07:37.239 --> 02:07:41.920
<v Speaker 3>made me also think about like maybe week oh that

2205
02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:44.720
<v Speaker 3>was their thing so if you read the Book of Genesis,

2206
02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:49.520
<v Speaker 3>it mentions that God created trees to eat from or

2207
02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:53.359
<v Speaker 3>fruit that would bear fruit to eat from. And when

2208
02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:57.920
<v Speaker 3>you look at primate diet, primates are predominantly frugivores, predominantly

2209
02:07:58.560 --> 02:08:02.880
<v Speaker 3>frugi wars. And so then you have the talk of

2210
02:08:02.960 --> 02:08:07.640
<v Speaker 3>fall of man. And then when you look at I

2211
02:08:07.680 --> 02:08:10.399
<v Speaker 3>guess the fossil record the moment that man started consuming

2212
02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:14.159
<v Speaker 3>animal flesh, you have the growth of the prefrontal cortex

2213
02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and all that other stuff. And then you have this

2214
02:08:17.279 --> 02:08:22.800
<v Speaker 3>painting where maybe you have an index finger that is

2215
02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:29.359
<v Speaker 3>unable to be stretched out because of anatomical differences, you know,

2216
02:08:29.600 --> 02:08:33.840
<v Speaker 3>within the primate taxa. But then you have a movement

2217
02:08:34.600 --> 02:08:39.359
<v Speaker 3>of progression in the Homo sapien line that you were

2218
02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:43.760
<v Speaker 3>able to stretch out that finger and touch the finger

2219
02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:48.520
<v Speaker 3>of God because you've now moved into that evolutionary state

2220
02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:52.199
<v Speaker 3>of consciousness. Because remember God's encapsulated in the brain.

2221
02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:55.600
<v Speaker 5>So what's that famous art piece that's in the ceiling

2222
02:08:55.800 --> 02:08:57.800
<v Speaker 5>that has the touching guys.

2223
02:08:57.880 --> 02:09:01.399
<v Speaker 3>It's called Creation of Atom by Michael Angelo.

2224
02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when I was at it, I have mentioned this before.

2225
02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:08.760
<v Speaker 1>When I was at the Vatican, they said that they

2226
02:09:08.840 --> 02:09:15.720
<v Speaker 1>actually to acknowledge that that's the brain. I was like, oh,

2227
02:09:16.039 --> 02:09:19.359
<v Speaker 1>all right, okay, I mean you know I thought that anyway,

2228
02:09:19.439 --> 02:09:22.119
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, all right, right. It was a

2229
02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:26.199
<v Speaker 1>little bit surprised actually to hear that. Yeah, they're even

2230
02:09:26.279 --> 02:09:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like go ahead, sorry, go ahead, no, I talk for sure.

2231
02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:33.560
<v Speaker 4>I find more tracing boards with that hand of Providence

2232
02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:35.399
<v Speaker 4>in it, but I can't really find them anymore in

2233
02:09:35.479 --> 02:09:39.880
<v Speaker 4>my mind. That's a strong association, you know, Yeah, yeah,

2234
02:09:40.039 --> 02:09:41.760
<v Speaker 4>you see those things like every once in a while,

2235
02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:43.880
<v Speaker 4>and know I'll notice them like on like a video

2236
02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:45.880
<v Speaker 4>like I'm watching, like on something that's not even on

2237
02:09:45.960 --> 02:09:46.479
<v Speaker 4>that topic.

2238
02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:48.479
<v Speaker 1>I'll just see the fucking hand like in the painting

2239
02:09:48.520 --> 02:09:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that they're showing, and I'm like, oh, there's that fucking

2240
02:09:51.079 --> 02:09:54.479
<v Speaker 1>hand again, Like what was what's up with that motherfucker?

2241
02:09:56.600 --> 02:10:01.680
<v Speaker 1>But uh, it's like the hand from a oh god,

2242
02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. I was a scream or whatever with

2243
02:10:03.960 --> 02:10:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Chris Elliotts sticking his hand in the fucking mashed potatoes,

2244
02:10:06.359 --> 02:10:10.079
<v Speaker 1>just got that fucked up all. He'd be like one

2245
02:10:10.119 --> 02:10:13.720
<v Speaker 1>of those coming down from this. I don't know if

2246
02:10:13.720 --> 02:10:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I even want to fucking reach out for that one.

2247
02:10:17.760 --> 02:10:22.439
<v Speaker 4>I was thinking Operation Blue beard a giant.

2248
02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Look at that.

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02:10:28.840 --> 02:10:31.319
<v Speaker 6>You gotta check out that nine inch Nails album cover. Man,

2250
02:10:31.319 --> 02:10:33.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm telling you because they were even saying that whenever

2251
02:10:34.000 --> 02:10:39.079
<v Speaker 6>Resner put that album out that he was somehow alluding

2252
02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:44.880
<v Speaker 6>to the coming disclosure UFO disclosure movement. But that's the

2253
02:10:45.119 --> 02:10:47.319
<v Speaker 6>that's the album cover. It's like it looks like a

2254
02:10:47.359 --> 02:10:49.680
<v Speaker 6>real giant hand of God coming out of the sky.

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02:10:50.680 --> 02:10:54.399
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, all right.

2256
02:10:54.479 --> 02:10:57.039
<v Speaker 1>I guess, uh, I guess we'll wrap it up the uh.

2257
02:10:57.439 --> 02:10:59.800
<v Speaker 1>There's a whole lot of ship right there, a lot

2258
02:10:59.840 --> 02:11:02.399
<v Speaker 1>of I plug themselves again on the shows or whoever

2259
02:11:02.439 --> 02:11:05.159
<v Speaker 1>they want to promote. We'll start it off with you,

2260
02:11:05.319 --> 02:11:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Lisa again. They called reject mad scientist what is going only?

2261
02:11:07.960 --> 02:11:11.119
<v Speaker 1>So thank you very much for joining us tonight show.

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02:11:11.560 --> 02:11:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Thank you had for bringing up the amazing topic to

2263
02:11:14.720 --> 02:11:18.119
<v Speaker 3>bring us all together in this wonderful panel where we

2264
02:11:18.640 --> 02:11:25.079
<v Speaker 3>just converse and commune among ourselves with the topic. Thank

2265
02:11:25.079 --> 02:11:29.359
<v Speaker 3>you fellow rejects for allowing me to interject my weird stuff.

2266
02:11:29.840 --> 02:11:36.520
<v Speaker 3>But thank you Neix for inviting me to plug is

2267
02:11:36.680 --> 02:11:39.520
<v Speaker 3>only a cult research Institute dot org And if you'd

2268
02:11:39.600 --> 02:11:41.960
<v Speaker 3>like to find me, it's so lease.

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02:11:42.039 --> 02:11:42.279
<v Speaker 4>Lisa.

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02:11:42.760 --> 02:11:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Thank you awesome. Thank you very much. Appreciate you enjoying

2271
02:11:45.720 --> 02:11:47.399
<v Speaker 1>us and we got you the ninja.

2272
02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Thank you boss for tolerating meat tonight. And I know

2273
02:11:51.319 --> 02:11:54.159
<v Speaker 2>it was quite a talkative, but I made up for

2274
02:11:54.199 --> 02:11:55.720
<v Speaker 2>all those times where I was quiet.

2275
02:11:55.479 --> 02:11:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Were third eyes and nipples I can't combine.

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02:11:58.600 --> 02:12:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's guy. You liked it, so thank you

2277
02:12:02.239 --> 02:12:04.159
<v Speaker 2>so much, Lisa. I don't think it's weird. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's super interesting. I love that we can talk about

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<v Speaker 2>plants and biology, Tyrone. I'm always in all of how

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<v Speaker 2>much you know ag on fire tonight for real and Tim. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that we have that kind of dynamic that

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<v Speaker 2>we I tease you a little and you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>push back. It's really great. Honestly, I think it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much. It's a true honor to

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<v Speaker 2>be with the panel. And if you want to check

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<v Speaker 2>me out Threshold Saints and the Great Lodge. And we

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<v Speaker 2>do have a YouTube channel now run by.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Okay, that all right? Nice? You can have to

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<v Speaker 1>give me the link for that, I'll include it. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have it on you have a link tree? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I have a link tree is yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it on there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I have to put it on. I've been really

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<v Speaker 2>bad about updating it. Will I promise, I will, I promise,

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<v Speaker 2>I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I appreciate it, of course. And then we uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we got iron what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciated Agent for those kind words.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good discussion.

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<v Speaker 5>I learned a lot, took some notes down. It's always

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<v Speaker 5>a good day when you learn something. You know, that

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<v Speaker 5>was saying you learned something new every single day. So

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<v Speaker 5>this was the day that I definitely learned a lot

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<v Speaker 5>because of these three discussions that we had today. So

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<v Speaker 5>my mind is kind of bloomed, but I enjoyed every

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<v Speaker 5>moment of that. I love talking to you guys. I

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyed this a lot. This is a passion of mine

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<v Speaker 5>of learning as much as I can about everything. And

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<v Speaker 5>of course, everything that you can find on me is

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<v Speaker 5>on my website, Rebirth of theWord dot com. I have

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<v Speaker 5>you know, YouTube, Twitter and all that other stuff, but

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<v Speaker 5>that's all through my website. You can go in there

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<v Speaker 5>and find that. I also have a best selling book,

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<v Speaker 5>Journey through the Origins of History, and I appreciate everybody

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<v Speaker 5>that put their knowledge out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can gain it from them.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, of course, thank you, sir. Appreciate it and

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta have actually do Tim Constantine, please, sir, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>know what's uping?

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, yeah, very enlightening, happy to be here, happy to

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<v Speaker 6>learn some stuff today. Sixth Censory Podcast is my main gig.

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<v Speaker 6>Six spell it out among all the major platforms. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>appreciate the invite.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh of course, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. And

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<v Speaker 1>hell is John. Thank you very much for the topic.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a fun one. It was very interesting. I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like so many different places we can still go

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Honestly, with that topic, so many different things.

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<v Speaker 1>But thank you again, and please let everybody know where

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<v Speaker 1>they can find your amazing show and where to send

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<v Speaker 1>those weird dreams.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Nick. This is a great topic. I love

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<v Speaker 4>going into all these different things and having all these

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<v Speaker 4>different sources of knowledge that I'll weave back together again,

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<v Speaker 4>which is one of the major things that I want

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<v Speaker 4>to get across about hand symbolism. It's fractal, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>spread out, and it's everywhere. So this is partially why

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<v Speaker 4>it's so important in the sensory homunculous. Right, if you

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<v Speaker 4>think about what it looks like inside of your brain.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got the huge face, you've got these giant hands, right.

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<v Speaker 4>The hands are almost bigger than the brain area, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Because the whole idea is you've got to experience the

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<v Speaker 4>world in a tactile way. And that's what really gets

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<v Speaker 4>the hands as this powerful symbol because it's like this

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<v Speaker 4>other sense, the more we get online and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 4>the less we're using our hands, and the less we

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<v Speaker 4>think with our hands. And that's sort of like, I guess,

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<v Speaker 4>a lack in that balance. You know, you've got to

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<v Speaker 4>get back into nature. You got to use your hands.

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<v Speaker 4>You got to be like hy Festus, you know, make something,

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<v Speaker 4>play sports, do something with your hands. That's part of

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<v Speaker 4>your brain, that's part of your mental health, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So hand symbolism is important for that very reason. It

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<v Speaker 4>goes into all those aspects of our lives. So you

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<v Speaker 4>can find me at Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot

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<v Speaker 4>com if you want to get those stories into me

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<v Speaker 4>for Thursdays when I read your emails. And also you've

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<v Speaker 4>got the Trialogues which is tomorrow with Ethan and Ricardo.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you very much for having me. Thank you

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<v Speaker 4>for this panel. I think a lot of people had

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<v Speaker 4>good time. And man I look forward tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, no, thank you very much, and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's Up. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of people here and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you made a good point. I can't believe we forgot

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking homoculous with its big hands. Oh man, see

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<v Speaker 1>that's it again. That's another whole thing to talk about. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>When you said that, I was like, fuck nice. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>yeah again, thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's Up.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a good show, and thank you everybody that was

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<v Speaker 1>there from the beginning to the end pretty much. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's still there. That's what's up. And thank you Wolf

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<v Speaker 1>for spending the time to come on tonight, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was here all day. I appreciate that. That's what's up.

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<v Speaker 1>And until the next one, everybody be well later.