Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what
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Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus Quice, you better hello, get the Boddy out here.
Speaker 1: Quote I'm out there. I thought of a bit just
Speaker 1: about text nine. I don't know. Easy ann out there. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: Head our folks, and will welcome our guest back to
Speaker 3: the show. It is Ryan Edwards from Texas, crypto zoologist,
Speaker 3: author researcher. Welcome back to the show man.
Speaker 4: It's good to be here.
Speaker 3: I am definitely glad to have you. It's always interesting
Speaker 3: conversations anytime we have you on the show. You never
Speaker 3: know what we're going to get into with our conversations.
Speaker 3: But let's start with your new book, Beyond Bigfoot, The
Speaker 3: Unrecognized Primates of North America. This is what your third
Speaker 3: book tell us a little bit about what that process was,
Speaker 3: like why you wrote this book and why now.
Speaker 4: Well this one. It's very much kind of a continuation
Speaker 4: of my second vote by thinking about scans struct Pretti
Speaker 4: history while looking at the Statchborgs field, especially recient years,
Speaker 4: WAT thing has always been to interest me as a whole.
Speaker 4: Like that pipe chart. You always see the type one patties,
Speaker 4: it's tap two's the type threes. Okay, let's look at
Speaker 4: this primatologically. What can I really break down into what
Speaker 4: this really means all the subspecies of Sasquatch. Are there
Speaker 4: other species of unknown primates living here in North America? Then?
Speaker 4: One big thing with my research and I look at
Speaker 4: the past a lot. One thing with the past is
Speaker 4: a lot of cryptos. All just take Lord Coleman, Mark
Speaker 4: Hall reference other unknown primates, liberty in North America. The
Speaker 4: three main ones I bring for my book are North
Speaker 4: American ah, the Nate phenomena double monkeys, which something a
Speaker 4: lot of people have heard of the recent here is
Speaker 4: the gug week, these more bottsquad would muzzles. So I'm
Speaker 4: trying to bring in more scientific perspectives on these beings
Speaker 4: because I've never seen a double monkey book. I've never
Speaker 4: seen a gugree really referenced in books. So I try
Speaker 4: to write on stuff that I have a feet out there.
Speaker 4: So let me be the one that writes about this stuff.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, Let's talk about some of those those things that
Speaker 3: you just talked about, the devil monkeys, the gugways, the
Speaker 3: eighth phenomenon that's going on. Can you talk as much
Speaker 3: about that as you can? How did you approach looking
Speaker 3: into those since there isn't a ton of information out there,
Speaker 3: obviously you had to do some digging and you had
Speaker 3: to do some research to get into these things. Where
Speaker 3: did you start? What was that process like? If you
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind telling me and the audience a little bit
Speaker 3: about each one of those creatures.
Speaker 4: Of course, one of the first things that I usually
Speaker 4: do when I started doing my research is I I
Speaker 4: literally start looking at my bookshelves, what authors reference to,
Speaker 4: what we talk about these creatures. One thing I did
Speaker 4: especially is reach out to a lot of other researchers
Speaker 4: because for me, a lot of my research goes to
Speaker 4: a primarily Sasquatch. I maybe have one person in my
Speaker 4: age like doublemore p. So I reached out to research.
Speaker 4: You got no really more specialized and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: One main researcher I reached out to was Lord Owen
Speaker 4: himself lol and Coleman. If I think it a North
Speaker 4: American ape Snona, I you needed to think of him.
Speaker 4: That's why I reach out to the refirst. I'm a
Speaker 4: research sure, I'm trying to get into this. What do
Speaker 4: you suggest, what do you think? And then what I
Speaker 4: did is look at the eye witness accounts, look at
Speaker 4: where these sidings occur. Breaking it down by region, you
Speaker 4: can get to see what these creatures are like. For instance,
Speaker 4: the dover monkey. Out of the three, I think it's
Speaker 4: the most well known of these three cryptids. Dover monkeys
Speaker 4: described it too much a giant baboon. A lot of
Speaker 4: people describe them ass. For instance here texasm here in
Speaker 4: the South, there's a lot of sidings that are people
Speaker 4: seeing released baboons. A lot of people think, okay, maybe
Speaker 4: these heads that got away, But then if you look
Speaker 4: in the area, there's no report to someone losing a rabboon.
Speaker 4: There could be possibly these dove monkeys, and I talk
Speaker 4: about okay, where the sightings? What can these creatures be?
Speaker 4: One big thing with my research is origins are cryptis
Speaker 4: because every animal has a natural history. So with these
Speaker 4: cryptids being piritical leading breeding animals, where did it come from?
Speaker 4: I've bring in my hypothesis that maybe dove monkeys could
Speaker 4: be a group of primates that did evolve in North America,
Speaker 4: originally evolved alongside happienings the known monkeys in Africa to
Speaker 4: become very bad boon like because low known fact. A
Speaker 4: lot of people know that primates originated here in North
Speaker 4: America sixty sixty million years ago. The first real primates
Speaker 4: of all genus started here in North America, didn't spread
Speaker 4: out and when it supposedly went extinct back into e
Speaker 4: s But as we know of the false rocket isn't complete.
Speaker 4: The gug weeds come out in recent years. Gug we
Speaker 4: means face theater. These primarily originated from northeast part in
Speaker 4: North America. A lot of name of tribes is describeds
Speaker 4: is not as Bigfoot, but as something else, something more violent,
Speaker 4: something more ferocious. A lot of people described goug weies
Speaker 4: as sasports like creatures, usually seven to eight feet tall.
Speaker 4: But the one main difference with these creatures is the face.
Speaker 4: They're vague, what we call pognatic. They're very protruding muscles,
Speaker 4: almost vision to like people describe a dog mass phenomenal
Speaker 4: or maybe something like a madual bat boon. Okay, this
Speaker 4: creature is real, trying an idea of like almost speculative evolution.
Speaker 4: So if these creatures are real, why would they have
Speaker 4: this type of mandible? Why would they have this type
Speaker 4: of morphology. Another interesting part of Gugree's are the legs.
Speaker 4: People describe these creatures that having three toes. Interesting thing. Two.
Speaker 4: A lot of people describe double monkeys. They're also having
Speaker 4: three toes. I executively say, huh, it's weird. The uguis
Speaker 4: and double monkeys are very similar morphologically. If we break
Speaker 4: it down, and they both have two toes, they're both
Speaker 4: very large, have very similar face shoes. So could these
Speaker 4: creatures be related? We don't know, because of course we
Speaker 4: don't have a body. But the one ham why really
Speaker 4: go into depthwood is North American eight. What these creatures
Speaker 4: are is when people hear in North American eight they pintymilia, junk,
Speaker 4: the sat squatch, the bigfoot. These are more chipped like
Speaker 4: species being seen here in North America. Really the main
Speaker 4: origin points of these. War Lord Coleman, they saw few
Speaker 4: him Mark hall So looking at signs of sasquatch and
Speaker 4: they're saying there's something else here. Because one well known
Speaker 4: account or North American aid came from Longngo with himself
Speaker 4: Industry Ti Illinois discovered human like footprints without a virgin
Speaker 4: big toe, just divergent big toe is indicative of what
Speaker 4: we're called antropoidi, something more canto gorilla or chimpanzee or
Speaker 4: something like that. Maybe Bernovo and people are describing these
Speaker 4: change out in the woods describing Champanzees are maybe more
Speaker 4: well Champanzee like than sasquatch, like a lot of people
Speaker 4: Akindies like the more skunkate style of big flops. Like
Speaker 4: here in the South we have sightings of the foul monster,
Speaker 4: the skunk gave down in Florida. These creatures are blondie hair,
Speaker 4: more wooly bully, more violent. See it's a big foot
Speaker 4: up in the Cithern Northwest. So what if these creatures
Speaker 4: could be a totally different species, or maybe there's subspecies
Speaker 4: of sasquatch, which subspecies does are a lot in Grade eight.
Speaker 4: Roads have four subspecies and chimps have two. So what
Speaker 4: if the subspecies of sasquatch and these North American age, Well,
Speaker 4: if these creatures did or not originate in North America
Speaker 4: and moved it to North America at the previous time,
Speaker 4: because this is very much continuation of Sasquatchic prehistory. I
Speaker 4: go through prehistory in North America, so my hypothesis of
Speaker 4: sasquat origins just hand in hand with North American eight.
Speaker 4: What if these dry piphicines, these more chimpanzee leg creatures
Speaker 4: that possibly into North America are in prehistory. What if
Speaker 4: some of these they didn't evolved to become more sasquat,
Speaker 4: some of these stayed in the swamps of the South
Speaker 4: that at that time were very much, very tropical to
Speaker 4: an extent, and stayed these more chimpanzee leg creatures down
Speaker 4: here in the South. At the end of the book,
Speaker 4: I really just showed what's the plausibility of four known
Speaker 4: primates living in North America alongside Bigfoot. It's not very plausible.
Speaker 4: So I will always put into little caveaty. Yes, a
Speaker 4: lot of these are probably miss identifications. A lot of
Speaker 4: is probably bears or maybe even juvenile sasquatch, like maybe
Speaker 4: some of North American eight fightings all juveniles s escorts.
Speaker 4: But there is something else going on here. So really
Speaker 4: the books are out like really looking introities and really
Speaker 4: asking the questions in the first place, because a lot
Speaker 4: of these cryptids really haven't been referenced. A lot people
Speaker 4: might be like, oh, yeah, I've heard of monkeys and
Speaker 4: then don't really notice sightings. They know, maybe a simple description,
Speaker 4: but they're older history behind it. So that's really what
Speaker 4: this book's all about, is bringing the history and really
Speaker 4: educating the public about three less you know, primates could
Speaker 4: possibly be living alongside the Sans Sport chain North America.
Speaker 4: Because ultimately I krying to bring into more older views
Speaker 4: as cryptozoology. I am very much a neighbor, very much.
Speaker 4: He's a physical creatures living on in the woods. But
Speaker 4: how can we bring in the visual law tore aspect
Speaker 4: of cryptozoology like horminology, it is like unknown hominids. How
Speaker 4: can we bring these into more statitic perspectives and not
Speaker 4: just people out there hunting mantras in the woods.
Speaker 3: Speaking of cryptozoology in general, this is one of these
Speaker 3: things that has always been a sticking point for me.
Speaker 3: I believe in bigfoot. I've seen these things.
Speaker 4: I know they're real.
Speaker 3: The problem I have is with dog Man and some
Speaker 3: of these other lesser known I can't say lesser known,
Speaker 3: but some of these other cryptids that people describe. You've
Speaker 3: got these, whether the California Walkers or what is it
Speaker 3: I'm drawing up on the Fresno Crawl and those kind
Speaker 3: of things. I've actually interviewed someone last year who had
Speaker 3: an experience with what they believe to be a Fresno
Speaker 3: Crawler type creature. But dog Man is probably the one
Speaker 3: we can stick with at this point. Some of the
Speaker 3: things that you talked about, when you take this very physical,
Speaker 3: flesh and blood scientific approach and you get into hominology,
Speaker 3: you look at the science behind how things walk, move,
Speaker 3: and they're didnition, and how they would evolve if they
Speaker 3: evolved from millions of years ago or if they evolved
Speaker 3: more recently. All of those things, dog Man just does
Speaker 3: not compute to me, because in my brain I go
Speaker 3: to a NuBus and things like that that are mythological
Speaker 3: creatures that we know of. As far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 3: there's nothing in the fossil record or even close to
Speaker 3: it that comes to a seven foot tall bipedal dog
Speaker 3: like creature. So where are you on that as a cryptozoologist.
Speaker 3: Maybe you don't look into dog men as much as
Speaker 3: some of these other creatures, But how do you rationalize
Speaker 3: that when you do your research into these creatures and
Speaker 3: you look at some of these sightings where people are saying,
Speaker 3: I saw a seven foot tall dog like creature, how
Speaker 3: does your brain work? And how do you do that research?
Speaker 3: Going into it? At least I would think you would
Speaker 3: have to go into it at least somewhat skeptical. Going physiologically,
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense. So how do you rationalize that?
Speaker 3: And how do you approach that in your research?
Speaker 4: Of course, actually point since the dog man phenomena, it
Speaker 4: is a phenomena I look into quite a bit, because
Speaker 4: especially being seen here in North America quite recently. Really,
Speaker 4: what I've come to a conclusion would is that there's
Speaker 4: two types of cryptoi zoologiz Paul. There's pure flesh and
Speaker 4: blood cryptozoology and then what I like to call paracryptis,
Speaker 4: these old paranormal creatures that morphologically don't make sense dog man,
Speaker 4: goat man, sidings, the rake things like when they go
Speaker 4: and skin walkers, these creatures that can't morphologically make sense biologically.
Speaker 4: So there are origin points I put into not necessarily supernatural,
Speaker 4: but more paranormal to outside of normal, outside biology. What
Speaker 4: the Ulger point is, I don't know. That's really not
Speaker 4: what my research goes into. Like for instance, what Sashqu's phenomena.
Speaker 4: Not many times people bring up to me about the
Speaker 4: old phenomena and these creatures just disappearing in front of them,
Speaker 4: and these creatures are momal and like the evidence is
Speaker 4: a negative of something else. But all those signings of
Speaker 4: people getting that phenomena. I'm always one of those researchers
Speaker 4: that I will always take indy witness count bottom hand,
Speaker 4: Like always these people are seeing somebody, they're seeing something.
Speaker 4: Is it what they think they're seeing? Possibly? But what
Speaker 4: if it is another phenomena occurring like these paracryptids is
Speaker 4: the term of with Look when my French text ressident,
Speaker 4: there's some clean with attorney paracryptid research, but these paracryptids,
Speaker 4: there's a whole other astroid de cryptive zoology. It's like
Speaker 4: the new form of cryptozoology. I like to call it,
Speaker 4: like it's like the new blood of people are getting
Speaker 4: jamor oh what are these other more monsterrous creatures, more
Speaker 4: mysterious creatures, like for instance, thinking like dog man, dead thing, dogmen,
Speaker 4: I really wasn't talking about until nineteen nineties to go
Speaker 4: my phenomenon. Really wasn't talking about two thousands. The rake
Speaker 4: generally is a creepypasta, but yeah, people still see it
Speaker 4: in the woods. So what are these creatures? Are they
Speaker 4: pigments of our own imagination, all the creatures that have
Speaker 4: come up from our own psyche. A lot of people,
Speaker 4: to me, especially with the dog math, they're like what
Speaker 4: came first, the dog man or the werewolf? I don't
Speaker 4: really know what if it is us old traditions that
Speaker 4: turned into perspectives because a lot of cryptozoology I don't
Speaker 4: think a lot of people talk about really is psychology
Speaker 4: our own psyches. If you have a predetermined belief in something,
Speaker 4: you're expecting to see it in your own reality, like
Speaker 4: for instance, people that believe in sasquats. If you'll always
Speaker 4: think about Bigfoot whenever you see something big and hairy
Speaker 4: in the woods. Back in your mind, you're thinking it's
Speaker 4: a bigfoot, even though it's probably just a bear. You've
Speaker 4: probably heard the saying sash quarts on the mind or
Speaker 4: bigfoot on the mind. It's very much like that. It's
Speaker 4: like people that are highly religious and Jesus's facing the
Speaker 4: Jeta chit. If you do a lot of research in
Speaker 4: dog math phenomena of culture, expecting to see a dog
Speaker 4: man one day, not really expecting, but it's more likely
Speaker 4: to occur because it's already in your head. That's how
Speaker 4: the human psyche works. So it is more the cryptigs
Speaker 4: that put hand in hand with the more psychological aspects
Speaker 4: of cryptozoology.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more sasquat Chota see will be right
Speaker 3: back after these messages.
Speaker 4: But the true flesh and blood, that's just stuff like
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot phenomenon, things like unknown cats lit near regular
Speaker 4: canine has been seen around the world, like the Shark King,
Speaker 4: the Asa, things like that. But really what's taken over
Speaker 4: cryptozoology recently is these paracryptige Let's be honest, they're a
Speaker 4: little bit more fantastical. They're the ones that are really
Speaker 4: the movie stars, the cryptozoology also with a lot of
Speaker 4: pots of homophism, the mixture of human traits and animal
Speaker 4: traits that's under we're seen throughout human history. If it's
Speaker 4: just for thousands of years, why would it not just now?
Speaker 4: What if these dog man and goat men and other
Speaker 4: creatures are just modern forms of the fond Greece of
Speaker 4: a newbish from Egypt. Because people think the same wading
Speaker 4: about now they think back then these are creatures that
Speaker 4: are just more psychological and origin gen truly physiological.
Speaker 3: You might say, yeah, it's the same thing with moth Man.
Speaker 3: It's one of those fascinating creatures. Everybody is in love.
Speaker 3: I can't say everybody, but a lot of people are
Speaker 3: in love with mathmn. It's a huge thing. The moth
Speaker 3: Man Prophecies obviously was a phenomenal book and then movie.
Speaker 3: I've been into moth Man. It's one of my favorite cryptids.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense to me that it would
Speaker 3: really exist. However, so many people have had those kind
Speaker 3: of experience with these creatures. I interviewed Lynes Strickler. God
Speaker 3: has probably been two or three years ago at this point.
Speaker 3: From fantoms and monsters. If you guys have never checked
Speaker 3: out his blog. Line does amazing stuff as far as cryptids,
Speaker 3: bigfoot stuff. He had a ton of bigfoot experiences earlier
Speaker 3: on in life, and now he's basically, I can't say
Speaker 3: full time, but the majority of it his time is
Speaker 3: documenting these in and around Chicago. He's documenting these sightings
Speaker 3: of what can only be described as a mothman type
Speaker 3: creature flying around the city and other places. It's not
Speaker 3: just in Chicago, but primarily in Chicago. And Lon and
Speaker 3: I got into this conversation about they're using astral projection.
Speaker 3: They're using I guess you could only describe it as
Speaker 3: telepathy because he has this pretty large, expansive group of
Speaker 3: people that do research with him around the country. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of people that are intuitive and claim to
Speaker 3: have these abilities. And Line was telling me that they
Speaker 3: had connected with what they believed to be these mothman creatures,
Speaker 3: and they're basically in a nutshell. It turns out they
Speaker 3: think there's some sort of alien being. They're not of
Speaker 3: this world. They're not a flesh and blood, born and
Speaker 3: bred on the earth kind of creature.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to wrap my brain around that
Speaker 3: kind of thing. Where are you on Mothman? Do you
Speaker 3: think it's something that could be one of these pair
Speaker 3: of cryptids as you call it. Do you think mass
Speaker 3: hysteria isn't even a thing when it comes to some
Speaker 3: of these cryptids.
Speaker 4: I think Madison sparia is a big part of this, Yes,
Speaker 4: But like with the moth math phenomena, I think I
Speaker 4: put it very much in the idea of that these paracryptids.
Speaker 4: Because it's always a conversation. I always remember it's the
Speaker 4: first time I ever met Ken Darehart. I I went
Speaker 4: up to hey, mister Gerhard, I only first met him.
Speaker 4: You all researched black human origin? Yes, or like they
Speaker 4: don't make sense biologically, He's what do you mean. I'm like,
Speaker 4: everything that has a spinal cord has full lives. These
Speaker 4: creatures are say, with arms, legs, and wings. There's no
Speaker 4: longer a tetrapod. It's all the insight. At that point,
Speaker 4: He's okay, you have a good head on his shoulders.
Speaker 4: I'm like, thank you. So stuff like that doesn't biologically
Speaker 4: make sense. Think about dragons. Dragons don't make sense because
Speaker 4: they're seeing what they're no longer a tetrapod. They're seeing
Speaker 4: what with fixullan but interesting chair because mothman is usually
Speaker 4: seen with just wings and lays, it's not really a
Speaker 4: lot of thigings of him having arm, Like the statue
Speaker 4: in Point Pleasant shows them off man with arms. Die
Speaker 4: witnesses didn't originally describe that. But when a lot of
Speaker 4: modern eye witnesses or men describe arms, are they referencing
Speaker 4: arms because they start on the statue or at a
Speaker 4: refuge to arms? Because they're actually seeing in reality? For instance,
Speaker 4: this is actually a phenomenon that I'm coming up a
Speaker 4: lot now in a recent research comping a lot more
Speaker 4: research into international cryptids into these built Congolese mon the dinofolls. Okay,
Speaker 4: in another dinosaur scene in Africa, No, it's interesting. No,
Speaker 4: it came out a couple of years before that Lost
Speaker 4: World by Darob de Coronan Doyle about living dinosaurs, and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden in Africa people start seeing
Speaker 4: living dinosaurs, but the locals were referencing something totally different.
Speaker 4: It's the same phenomena we see now, like, for instance,
Speaker 4: how many dog Man eye witnesses describe what I saw
Speaker 4: was exactly like what I saw in the dog Soldiers
Speaker 4: or at Helsing or any other werewolf movie. Are they
Speaker 4: referencing it because they already saw the movie, so they
Speaker 4: have an idea what it looks like. We'll they just
Speaker 4: like matching it to what, don't you know? So it's
Speaker 4: the idea of I said earlier, the precognition of you
Speaker 4: already saw a werewolf, you know what a werewolf looks like.
Speaker 4: You see something that's more kind of werewolf like, so
Speaker 4: you make it aware, you make it a dog. It's
Speaker 4: very much like a sasquatch too. We know what primates
Speaker 4: look like, and we know what humans look like. We
Speaker 4: make sure both together. So I think that's one thing
Speaker 4: why we have a lot more sashquatch signs, a lot
Speaker 4: more dogma signs, is just because we'll bring it up more.
Speaker 4: And it'd be that people are bringing it to the
Speaker 4: researchers like me and you because there's more researchers now.
Speaker 4: But also when people start hearing about Bigfoot and sasquatch,
Speaker 4: they are more expecting to see them in their reality.
Speaker 4: A lot of researcher will say a lot of signs
Speaker 4: of miss identifications. There is a phenomenal our current here.
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone that saw big flat saw a bear. No,
Speaker 4: the sidings are totally different. Now mopology doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: But a big aspect of which cryptosology is the psychology
Speaker 4: of like what the congo these dinosaurs. Okay, the native
Speaker 4: traditions reference these creatures, but if you love at the
Speaker 4: original prescriptions, they're describing elephants and rhinos and giraffes. But
Speaker 4: then after show out to Cornandorial's a lost world, people
Speaker 4: started describing soulpod dinosaurs he wreches down to Congo. It's
Speaker 4: not what their locals are referencing, it's what they are
Speaker 4: bringing with what called cultural anacriticism. Africa. Right now, we're
Speaker 4: seeing as the dark continent. They've seen it's like a
Speaker 4: wild space where dinosaurs could live. So people brought in
Speaker 4: their own cultural ideas, mixed it with the indigenous culture,
Speaker 4: and came out with more bashardized ideas of these indigenous legends.
Speaker 4: I think that occurred here in North America as well.
Speaker 4: For instance, I like to bring up with history. When
Speaker 4: Thomas Jefferson made Milos Clark across the Mississippian by Potland,
Speaker 4: he told him we looked up with mammoth Sharon Brownslow
Speaker 4: because they had the idea that the Westernish matches were
Speaker 4: still like the store primordial round your giant bears and
Speaker 4: gympity catch lift and giant ground flows.
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: It wasn't. There's just more cultural necklacesm we see back
Speaker 4: then and we still do see nowadays as well.
Speaker 3: I have tried so many times to wrap my brain
Speaker 3: around some of the dog man sidings, and I have
Speaker 3: many times said, I think people are experiencing some sort
Speaker 3: of phenomenon. I think there's some sort of misidentifications going
Speaker 3: on with possible sasquatch sidings. Do you think it's possible
Speaker 3: that people are running into these gugway type sasquatch In
Speaker 3: some cases with that protruding muzzle, they look more dog like,
Speaker 3: And do you think it's a possibility that's happening, which
Speaker 3: is a phenomenon in and of itself, obviously, if it's
Speaker 3: a type of sasquatch that people are seeing that they
Speaker 3: may be thinking is a dog man. I've even went
Speaker 3: so far as to say they're allegedly some wild kangaroos
Speaker 3: here in certain parts of the country that people run into.
Speaker 3: And if you've ever seen one of those things standing
Speaker 3: up on its hind legs and it's pretty buff those
Speaker 3: things that they're horrifying, So I think that's a possibility
Speaker 3: for even some of these sightings. People laugh when I
Speaker 3: say dog Man is kangaroo, and I'm not saying that's
Speaker 3: the case for every single sighting, but do you think
Speaker 3: it's possible that Gugway and even maybe kangaroos are responsible
Speaker 3: for some of those encounters.
Speaker 4: Lord Colvin he brought up to me about how a
Speaker 4: lot of devil monkey sightings, a lot of original double
Speaker 4: monkey sidings, they referenced the kangaroo like leg, just the
Speaker 4: jita grade leg. So a lot of people thought maybe
Speaker 4: these double monkeys were those sightings of Midwest kangaroos that
Speaker 4: we know do exist. There's stories of kangaroos that we
Speaker 4: have found here in correct, So maybe a lot of
Speaker 4: these sightings could be missed identifications of kangaroos. And like
Speaker 4: for instance, the gogmath got brought up a lot when
Speaker 4: I did Doverle Monkeys and doug because of the cinema morphology.
Speaker 4: Imagine this, You see a six foot tall baboon stand
Speaker 4: up on two legs and look at you. What are
Speaker 4: you seeing right there? Thanks to the head and the ears.
Speaker 4: You might be seeing a werewolf extent up a bab boom,
Speaker 4: especially when fear kitchen to it. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: doffer monkey signings reference large pointed ears really akin to
Speaker 4: a canoe the gugley phenomenon. People don't really reference large ears.
Speaker 4: They reference small ears like humans. But still with that
Speaker 4: muzzle and weird looking leg, you can imagine a werewolf
Speaker 4: standing in front of them. I've heard a lot of
Speaker 4: eye witnesses to talk about I didn't know what I saw.
Speaker 4: I went online and didn't they find a dog man siding? Oh,
Speaker 4: I saw a dog man. They might be hearing a
Speaker 4: dog man before they ever hear but doug or even
Speaker 4: like bigfoot, how many dog man signs are actually sasquat
Speaker 4: signs or gugly sidings. How many bigfoot signs are actually
Speaker 4: like dougly signs of double monkey signings. Because one thing
Speaker 4: I bring up with people is if people don't know
Speaker 4: the name of the cryptid, they're not going to think
Speaker 4: it's that cryptid, like for instance, in North American eighth phenomena,
Speaker 4: these nates not all of people heard these. So if
Speaker 4: someone sees a chimp outside in the woods, they might
Speaker 4: think it's an escape chimp. Or if they've heard of bigfoot,
Speaker 4: maybe there's a big foot. What if it was one?
Speaker 4: He's all for me, Like, nomenclature is very important. We
Speaker 4: could those evolgy.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 4: One thing that annoys me always is like someone sees
Speaker 4: a white bigfoot. Oh, I saw white big food. I
Speaker 4: saw yetti. No Yeti that belongs in the Himalayas. Don't
Speaker 4: be being a cultural appropriating cryptis now guys ye that's
Speaker 4: very much a local word for the net believes just
Speaker 4: because he saw a white bigfoot isn't when you saw
Speaker 4: Yeti and the Yeti was never described as white in
Speaker 4: first place. That was created back in the nineteen sixties
Speaker 4: where red no rain there. It's referenced originally as brown
Speaker 4: or red. And that's something too. How many of these
Speaker 4: signings are by media now people describe Yeti's as white.
Speaker 4: That came from what is his name? Abominable from Rudolph
Speaker 4: Reddno's reindeer. That's where that comes from, not from then
Speaker 4: actual original legends. Then people start seeing white yetties and
Speaker 4: the Himalayans. That doesn't make sense if the digenous culture
Speaker 4: never restless in the first place. That's a big aspect
Speaker 4: is a media aspect show this, but Jazquads after find
Speaker 4: Big Flindi's TV shows were created, people referenced would knocks more.
Speaker 4: How's more because they're reference in TV shows more So,
Speaker 4: that's an aspect of cryptos that people don't really realize
Speaker 4: is a big thing is what type of culture have
Speaker 4: you taken in? What type of media have you taken in?
Speaker 4: How does the media if that crypted? Like friendships earlier
Speaker 4: when we were out of the rink, is originally a
Speaker 4: type possible? It's never referenced out in the wild at all,
Speaker 4: but then people heard about it on Reddit and pepypositas
Speaker 4: and things like that. Then they started seeing it out
Speaker 4: in the woods. So are they making a blinde he
Speaker 4: started making up stories or is it that they heard
Speaker 4: it a rat like creature? Then they saw something weird
Speaker 4: in the woods and they made their own monster from
Speaker 4: the whole psych how much of this actually occurs in
Speaker 4: the woods that a lot of these crypto them maybe
Speaker 4: just alosly a big minutes of imagination that have bit
Speaker 4: to own what I like to call psychological topa. People
Speaker 4: reference topass like in Buddhism. It's like when you put
Speaker 4: enough thoughts into someday becomes real that it doesn't exist. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's an example of masshisteria. That's right. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of these par ecryptedge are lot of psychological topas.
Speaker 4: When you put enough thought into these creatures, you will
Speaker 4: see them in your reality shoot or later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to switch gears a little bit. Speaking
Speaker 3: of the woods. I know you don't get out and
Speaker 3: do a ton of fielled research, but let's talk about
Speaker 3: some of the times you have gone out and actually
Speaker 3: looked for some of these creatures on your own. What's
Speaker 3: it like for you taking your research from the academic
Speaker 3: realm and writing books and actually applying that out in
Speaker 3: the field, boots on the ground looking for these things where, Hey,
Speaker 3: have you been looking for them? Whether it be bigfoot,
Speaker 3: dog man, whatever the case may be. And what kind
Speaker 3: of experiences have you had when you've been out there
Speaker 3: with me?
Speaker 4: And my field research is very scanch. It's like being
Speaker 4: a full time educator that think that most of my time.
Speaker 4: But one major I've done researching too was where my
Speaker 4: friends up in Bronston's, Oklahoma, so no Gloma, right along
Speaker 4: the Red River. My friend text question Jason Cleano, Texas
Speaker 4: front Coach. They have a camp shot out there and
Speaker 4: we've done research in that area because they received big
Speaker 4: book signings out there, dog man sightings, There's a haunted
Speaker 4: shovtay on top of a hill, so there's a lot
Speaker 4: of phenomena. Was Curry at once one of my major
Speaker 4: expeditions out there. It was my first one. We went
Speaker 4: out capping for a couple of days. That was the
Speaker 4: first ever time I experienced the zone Asylunce. Me and
Speaker 4: two hundred buddies were driving in a car driving a
Speaker 4: night going on this dirt road. We had all the
Speaker 4: windows down. We're starting the field, signing for to see
Speaker 4: anything in the field. All of a sudden we take
Speaker 4: this turn and complete silence, like flip the switch. And
Speaker 4: this is something I've heard about a lot, and then
Speaker 4: actually experiencing it in person, I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 4: is what people talk about. They see what people reference
Speaker 4: when they talk about the like a switch went off.
Speaker 4: There's no sound at all. You had that creepy feeling
Speaker 4: that something's watching you, something's there. I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is, but I know something's there that doesn't want
Speaker 4: me there. So my head of research self is like, yes,
Speaker 4: just keep going. Let's keep going and see what happens.
Speaker 4: But then my survival instincts kicking. You're like, wait, there's
Speaker 4: something told me to not be here. Why don't I
Speaker 4: just listen to that and get outtle So we moved
Speaker 4: it a little bit, but then we turned around and
Speaker 4: got right out of there, and right when we took
Speaker 4: that corner, sound happened old again, like frag g in
Speaker 4: section all. That was also the same night I heard
Speaker 4: some possible attast walk woolf from across the Red River
Speaker 4: because my friend tax on my host out there. He said,
Speaker 4: this time of year there on the other side of
Speaker 4: the Red River because it's higher ground and we're walking
Speaker 4: along the Red River at night, and hear how I
Speaker 4: go imate woolf from the other.
Speaker 3: Side of Rifford and stay tuned for more sasquatch out
Speaker 3: to sy We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Was it a sasquatch, I'm not sure, but it did
Speaker 4: sound very Primarily, I want to do some more research
Speaker 4: into this year. I've done a litty scouting out at
Speaker 4: Palmellow Street Park. One area I really want to try
Speaker 4: to get into it, especially in Texas, is East Texas
Speaker 4: parts of like Sam Houston National Force and David Crockett
Speaker 4: State fulished because those are a lot of signings where
Speaker 4: a lot of sasquat signings happen. If digital signings happen
Speaker 4: occurring there, I'm going to go try to do some
Speaker 4: more field research this year. That's like you know how
Speaker 4: to do Like New Year's I have a goal from
Speaker 4: New Year's mineus this year is to try to do
Speaker 4: some more field research under my belt. Because I have
Speaker 4: your academic shot, I have that side, but actually doing
Speaker 4: out due doing field research, that's something I don't really
Speaker 4: do much. I want to try to do more because ultimately,
Speaker 4: how can you make discoveries without getting up and doing
Speaker 4: it yourself?
Speaker 3: Very good point. I want to talk about something that
Speaker 3: you just mentioned in your own experiences, and this is
Speaker 3: something that I've experienced before in the woods on some level,
Speaker 3: and people talk about this often. There seems to be
Speaker 3: this set of experiences that are often correlated with sasquatch encounters.
Speaker 3: This everything went silent, There's this smell, there's this ominous feeling,
Speaker 3: there's all these things. I infamously up until last year.
Speaker 3: It was late last year I think when I finally
Speaker 3: watched The Legend of Boggie Creek for the first time.
Speaker 3: People were giving me shit because I talked about it
Speaker 3: on this show and I host another show called That
Speaker 3: Bigfoot Podcast with my co host Wayne, and Wayne and
Speaker 3: I were talking about the fact that we had never
Speaker 3: seen the movie The Legend of Boggie Creek, and we
Speaker 3: actually had people emailing in saying, how can you call
Speaker 3: yourself a Bigfoot researcher if you've never seen the Legend
Speaker 3: of Boggy Creek. It's a cheesy docu drama from the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies. Dude, you don't have to watch that to
Speaker 3: be qualified as an investigator to look into Bigfoot. But
Speaker 3: I digress. Actually, when I watched this film, Wayne lives
Speaker 3: up in Tennessee. I'm here in North Carolina. We were
Speaker 3: texting back and forth as we were watching the film
Speaker 3: together in separate places, and I'm a note taker, so
Speaker 3: I had my notebook out and I took a whole
Speaker 3: litany of notes, and I was taking note of everything
Speaker 3: that was coming up over and over in the movie
Speaker 3: as far as what people were experiencing. And then Wayne
Speaker 3: and I actually did a full episode of That Bigfoot
Speaker 3: podcast breaking down what we experienced when we watched the
Speaker 3: movie and how it's probably different here and at that
Speaker 3: time it was twenty twenty four versus nineteen seventy one
Speaker 3: or whenever the film came out. We were talking about
Speaker 3: that stuff. But I brought it up to him and
Speaker 3: I said, look, dude, it just clicked with me. I
Speaker 3: have probably interviewed at this point well over a thousand
Speaker 3: people for this show and then doing it in person
Speaker 3: at speaking events and conferences literally around the world. At
Speaker 3: this point. In all the time, these same few things
Speaker 3: come up. And I said to him, if you talk
Speaker 3: to people, well, even as young as you are, I
Speaker 3: think you're a much younger guy than I am. Certainly
Speaker 3: even your age bracket millennial age range we're talking, are
Speaker 3: familiar with the legend of Buggie Creek. And certainly if
Speaker 3: you talk to people that have had experiences and are
Speaker 3: into this from my age and even older, that's something
Speaker 3: that comes up. So they've seen that film. Do you
Speaker 3: think it's possible looking at the psychological part of cryptozoology,
Speaker 3: do you think it's possible that at least plays a
Speaker 3: part in some of these encounters. I love encounter stories
Speaker 3: I've said it plenty of times. I don't have anybody
Speaker 3: on my show that doesn't believe they experienced what they
Speaker 3: say they experienced, no matter how wild it gets. So
Speaker 3: I think they're experiencing something. But is that an influencer
Speaker 3: watching Finding Bigfoot, watching Expedition Bigfoot? Even going back to
Speaker 3: the legend of Bogie Creek, do you think some of
Speaker 3: those things and have you've seen that in your own
Speaker 3: research that some of those things seem to always find
Speaker 3: way into these encounter stores.
Speaker 4: Actually, like, for instance, one thing nice for a lot
Speaker 4: of witnesses, there's people describing the arm movement of Shasquatch.
Speaker 4: You're describing the paddy walk. I think a lot of
Speaker 4: clearly hoaxed videos they do the paddy walk. But then
Speaker 4: when you're thinking about it, are people referencing what they
Speaker 4: saw in the Passing Gimblin film? Or it is the
Speaker 4: passor Gimblin film indicative of a morphology of behaviors of
Speaker 4: the SATs Quarts, Maybe they move like that. You have
Speaker 4: to think stuff like that Rusially here in Texas, especially
Speaker 4: here in the South, the legendbid Creek is huge. I've
Speaker 4: sproken a fout before, especially fout itself. It's a five building.
Speaker 4: It's a very small town, but thanks to the legend
Speaker 4: of Body Creek, it brings in people from all around
Speaker 4: the world, all around the country. So it's like all
Speaker 4: the ideas of like cryptotourism kind of kicksen when you
Speaker 4: have a local monster it brings into people. That doesn't
Speaker 4: mean it doesn't exist. Like I've talked to people out
Speaker 4: in last year that had sightings the year before or
Speaker 4: earlier that year. So I think there's still phenomena going
Speaker 4: on here. But you do have to think of how
Speaker 4: it does affect people, to be honest, When I was
Speaker 4: driving the Foub at night and I was driving the area,
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I can see how people are gonna
Speaker 4: say there's a monster out here because you get that
Speaker 4: that squatchy feeling in the air, like, oh, shasquatch could
Speaker 4: be out here. Doesn't mean it is, not necessarily, but
Speaker 4: you get that feeling, Like the idea of humans necessarily
Speaker 4: being afraid of the dark, scared of monsters in the dark,
Speaker 4: doesn't mean a monster is there, not necessarily, but your
Speaker 4: mind already puts one thing. I think of instance, what
Speaker 4: Fauk monster think of Schwalt monsters, things of like small
Speaker 4: things and things like that. That's very common within a
Speaker 4: lot of media. Within a lot of movies, people bring
Speaker 4: up legend of Bolic Creek. People also bring up to
Speaker 4: the creature from Black Lake that was taking down an
Speaker 4: Acado Lake down in Texas. It just happened after the
Speaker 4: Boggy Creek. But it's very similar movie, but it's all fictional,
Speaker 4: but references agile bigfoot sidings in the area. So these
Speaker 4: idea of swamp creatures, does that make it that people
Speaker 4: see more bigfoots than swamps or when they go into
Speaker 4: swamp expecting to see some type of creature. Possibly. I
Speaker 4: bring up to Honey Island's fault Montster a lot and
Speaker 4: I as Faltmonts is very famous bigfoot signings that had
Speaker 4: Donalds the end. But interesting because people take it as
Speaker 4: the bigfoot sidings. But when you look at the aviduence,
Speaker 4: they referenced fee toed tracks and they literally say the
Speaker 4: things they have gator have gorilla that biologically can't exist,
Speaker 4: and a lot of sidings from that area stopped with
Speaker 4: a guy with Harlot Forder. Harlot the Border was one
Speaker 4: that took the famous video of a creature walking in
Speaker 4: the woods. And also a lot of those be toot
Speaker 4: tracks were done by the same guy, but then as
Speaker 4: soon as he passed away, a lot of sidings stopped.
Speaker 4: So are people referencing a creature down in Honey Island
Speaker 4: because of a local legend of it? Boys are actually
Speaker 4: a feature down there, Like for instance, where people go
Speaker 4: up to Pacific Nold West, very well known for bigfoot.
Speaker 4: People got to go to Willow Creek and Boggy Creek.
Speaker 4: They're expecting to see a bigfoot. Is it that there's
Speaker 4: a big pin in the area. Yes, they probably are.
Speaker 4: But when you're expecting to see a sashquatch, you're more
Speaker 4: willing to shoot one, if that makes sense psychologically, Like
Speaker 4: when you're up in the Pacific Old West show. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a bigfoot area, but she's something I'm more willing
Speaker 4: to see. A shasquatch g more like it to a
Speaker 4: shot squatch. That also does occur a lot of times
Speaker 4: with a sweet Shirt as well.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about something that has always fascinated me.
Speaker 3: Me and you have probably talked about this sometime before,
Speaker 3: but I know you've hooked up a couple of times
Speaker 3: and went out with Rod Nichols. I've had him on
Speaker 3: for Bear Canty Bigfoot a couple of times on the show.
Speaker 3: We correspond. He sends me stuff on Instagram. Often he's
Speaker 3: finding a lot of these stick structures and these weird
Speaker 3: formations that are made out of sticks and trees and
Speaker 3: those kind of things. What have you discussed in your research,
Speaker 3: maybe you've even been out with Rod and doing some
Speaker 3: of the things that you guys have done out in
Speaker 3: the field. What do you make of these stick structures?
Speaker 3: Does it make sense to you that there would be
Speaker 3: some giant Harry hamanid doing these things? Because I've looked
Speaker 3: into it. I wrote about it in my book Sasquatch
Speaker 3: On Least The Truth Behind the Legend. I talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about known ape behavior versus what we're seeing
Speaker 3: in Sasquatch Bigfoot research, and it doesn't necessarily correlate, because
Speaker 3: I guess the next best thing for me as far
Speaker 3: as comparison, would be looking at lowland gorillas. For example.
Speaker 3: Do they make nest Yes, there's some crude nest making
Speaker 3: stuff going on, but it doesn't correlate with what we
Speaker 3: seem to be seeing specifically here in the lower forty
Speaker 3: eight over in North America? Has that changed since you've
Speaker 3: been doing some of the stuff with Rod and maybe
Speaker 3: finding some of this stuff on your own as far
Speaker 3: as overall and the research with the stick structures and
Speaker 3: the formations gone out with a Rod.
Speaker 4: A couple of times out here in Chantonio, I've seen
Speaker 4: a lot of church structors he's reference, I've seen myself
Speaker 4: me personally, it's very much something a person can make.
Speaker 4: We know a person can make these. What a person
Speaker 4: make them? That's the next quession we've bring up, Like,
Speaker 4: for instance, one time we found one un less than
Speaker 4: ten feet away beer cans and stuff like that from
Speaker 4: people that are homeless. So are homeless people making stick
Speaker 4: structures out in the woods. It's possibility, but brings any
Speaker 4: idea of plausibility. Is it possible to bigfoot's making this? Yes?
Speaker 4: But is it plausible what's making these? So we have
Speaker 4: to begin an idea of a lot of these parks
Speaker 4: and over the city. Yes, there are creek systems that
Speaker 4: connect them. Could a bigfoot walk along these pic systems? Yes?
Speaker 4: I brought it up to Rod personally that I think
Speaker 4: that these bigfoot could be using this creek system. But
Speaker 4: they wouldn't be living along the creek system. They've been
Speaker 4: moving in and out to one region from from San Antonio,
Speaker 4: the south of San Antonio, but they would be living
Speaker 4: along this creek. Maybe the stick structures could be indicative
Speaker 4: of maybe where to hide. For instance, one that we've
Speaker 4: found and almost look like a hunting block, it was
Speaker 4: right along a game trail where we saw that the
Speaker 4: deer world walking across a far away from the human trail,
Speaker 4: and it was right along the trail. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it almost looks like a human hunting block. But I
Speaker 4: don't think anyone's hunting gear out in the park in
Speaker 4: San Antonio, Texas. I don't think that's happening. So what
Speaker 4: would make a hunting blind along a game trail that's
Speaker 4: not human? That does sound very sasparts like behavior. But
Speaker 4: that's also the thing too that's very hard with this
Speaker 4: phenomenon is that we've not seen big fo making this,
Speaker 4: at least from what I referenced with Rod, I can't
Speaker 4: think of any signings that he has a bigfoot in
Speaker 4: these parks, because of course no one's out there at night.
Speaker 4: That's why we've even brought up the idea of I
Speaker 4: wish I could talk to homeless people that live in
Speaker 4: the sports. What are they feed out there? The ones
Speaker 4: that are on crazy amounts drugged or the ones that
Speaker 4: are level headed at my reference? Oh yeah, maybe I
Speaker 4: saw this, Maybe I saw this. But because there's not
Speaker 4: a lot of evidence to back up these stick structures,
Speaker 4: that's the hard part. Okay, there's stick structures, and then
Speaker 4: there's people saying that they saw a large hair creature
Speaker 4: living in the area. Okay, cool, So those are two
Speaker 4: pieces of evidence that could be co laying to the
Speaker 4: same phenomena. But because there's only one phenomenon occurring, it's
Speaker 4: hard to reference that these truly all Sasquat behaviors. I
Speaker 4: am about eighty percent you're Sasquatch, but I still have
Speaker 4: that twenty percent saying that maybe this could be. One
Speaker 4: thing I brought up to him before is a lot
Speaker 4: of these stick structures. It sticks lined up next to
Speaker 4: each other, and it's almost always mesquite. Mesquite would here
Speaker 4: in the South Texas they use mosquite for bob cues,
Speaker 4: camping and things like that because the trill rich flavor
Speaker 4: when you cook with it. What if it's people being
Speaker 4: out with ski to dry it to go use it
Speaker 4: somewhere else. That's why I want to have wondered with him,
Speaker 4: is like, maybe see if it's altered. See if it's
Speaker 4: the same stick staying up the whole time throughout the year,
Speaker 4: or is it people moving it and putting something back.
Speaker 4: It is not any means a person. What if it
Speaker 4: is something else moving it? But even like Native Americans,
Speaker 4: they would use mosquite wood and other woods as fire
Speaker 4: and smoke to prevent insects and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 4: actually really good to prevent mosquitoes. I don't think very
Speaker 4: much making fires out there in the woods. I don't
Speaker 4: think bigfig can make fire. So maybe that's indicative something
Speaker 4: that's more human like, especially because a lot of these
Speaker 4: places along it's all out of creek, it's very close
Speaker 4: to a boy Scout area. Well, if the boy Scouts
Speaker 4: are there, maybe boy scouts going in the middle of
Speaker 4: the park and camping. Honestly, if you're a boy Scout
Speaker 4: and you have nowhere to camp outside the town, I'll
Speaker 4: go camp in the park. Maybe it might be illegal,
Speaker 4: but if you get caught if you don't, so it
Speaker 4: could be bigfoot. But the more plausible reason could be
Speaker 4: that these are humans, but I do think there our
Speaker 4: sadequorts move me in the area because there are these
Speaker 4: stick structure that are more elaborate, more indicative, something stronger
Speaker 4: breaking it. For instance, we foun out a treat I
Speaker 4: literally got pushed down nowhere where you can bring tracked
Speaker 4: vehicles know the woods. You need twenty dirty people to
Speaker 4: pull that down. But itf be a sasquats pulling it down.
Speaker 4: It's possibility. Because no one saw it, we don't know
Speaker 4: for sure. But adds a lot of this evidence is
Speaker 4: we don't know if bick flood did this. We can
Speaker 4: only speculate from there.
Speaker 3: That's the first time I'd ever heard that the majority
Speaker 3: of what they were finding, as far as these structures,
Speaker 3: were made out of mesquite. That's a question I'm going
Speaker 3: to have to start asking folks are they familiar with
Speaker 3: the type of wood that they're finding in these areas,
Speaker 3: because that's a very Ockham's Razor way to explain this.
Speaker 3: It could be somebody simply drying wood to go barbecue
Speaker 3: in the park later on, because I'm sure they probably
Speaker 3: have barbecue setups out in these parks. That's a very
Speaker 3: Ockham's Raiser way to look at that situation. If you
Speaker 3: don't have bigfoot on the brain, that's probably the most
Speaker 3: likely of the explanations in my opinion.
Speaker 4: One thing I've talked to Rod about is like, maybe
Speaker 4: next time we go out there, bring someone that has
Speaker 4: no idea what we're doing, no idea what they're going
Speaker 4: to see. Bring them out there and what do they see?
Speaker 4: What do they think is going on here? Because me
Speaker 4: and him a very much bigfoot researchers, we have cryptos erologists,
Speaker 4: so we're come at it from a bigfoot perspective. Bringing
Speaker 4: someone out there it doesn't even believe in bigfoot, what
Speaker 4: do they think this is? Because you need to get
Speaker 4: those different perspective. I tell people, when they find evidence
Speaker 4: of bigfoot, bring out someone that doesn't believe in bigfoot,
Speaker 4: what do they think of it? Then take it to
Speaker 4: the cryptoisologists or researcher because you need to get those
Speaker 4: different perspectives in there, or you're just gonna have the
Speaker 4: same perspective over and over again. Then that becomes dogmatic,
Speaker 4: and that becomes an echo chamber. We don't walk down
Speaker 4: this research. We want different perspectives. We want the outside purview.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch yoh to see, We'll be
Speaker 3: right back after these messages. Absolutely, we've mentioned them a
Speaker 3: couple of times. Why don't you give everybody a breakdown
Speaker 3: of all the books where they can find them and
Speaker 3: where's the best way they can get in contact with
Speaker 3: you should they feel so inclined.
Speaker 4: Of course, I have three books out. First one got
Speaker 4: polished back in twenty twenty. It was cryptos of the World,
Speaker 4: very much a kind of encyclopedia different cryptoshoot around the world,
Speaker 4: from Bigfoot here in North America, the Gugwe of Africa
Speaker 4: Yahwe if you think of cryptet agender. My second book
Speaker 4: was Sasquatch or Prehistory of a Living Legend, very much
Speaker 4: a older point of sasquat. What is the biology of
Speaker 4: the sasquatch species? Of what could these creature come from?
Speaker 4: Third book is of course beyond Bakerfoot right an unrecognized
Speaker 4: primate g in North America, North credited age double monkeys.
Speaker 4: Actually guess would be the first show our partners out
Speaker 4: there in public. Working on a fourth book right now,
Speaker 4: I'm actually working on a series on the different cricketers
Speaker 4: around the world. But backing up like County so To
Speaker 4: to Africa, to Europe of Asia. That's a project I'll
Speaker 4: be working on for the next couple of years because
Speaker 4: I really want to put my research into it as
Speaker 4: much as I can. If you want to reach out
Speaker 4: to me, I'm available on Instagram, Facebook if you can
Speaker 4: said for Brian Edwards. My email is Ryan Edwards dot
Speaker 4: crypto at gmail dot com. I'm always open to talking
Speaker 4: to eyewitnesses and other researchers of people that, hey, you
Speaker 4: don't believe in Bigfoot, reach out to me and with
Speaker 4: you with your talk. I'm always open for conversation.
Speaker 3: There you have it, folks. I will link to the
Speaker 3: books in the show notes you guys, go and pick
Speaker 3: them up. They are excellent. Ryan, as always, man, I
Speaker 3: appreciate you coming on the show. I had a blast
Speaker 3: talking to you as much.
Speaker 4: Coming on.
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