WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.000 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.120 on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog, 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.960 my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. 4 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:13.640 I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.120 really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over 6 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:17.800 the fence and he was dead. And once you hit 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.679 the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I 8 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:38.320 saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.960 are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling 10 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:51.920 around out here? Did you see what it was? 11 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:52.240 Or was it was? 12 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:54.719 Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now 13 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.479 and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. 14 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:04.799 Jesus Quice, you better hello, get the Boddy out here. 15 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:07.040 Quote I'm out there. I thought of a bit just 16 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:10.480 about text nine. I don't know. Easy ann out there. Yeah, 17 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:11.359 I'm booking right. 18 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.359 Head our folks, and will welcome our guest back to 19 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.920 the show. It is Ryan Edwards from Texas, crypto zoologist, 20 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.239 author researcher. Welcome back to the show man. 21 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:22.879 It's good to be here. 22 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.120 I am definitely glad to have you. It's always interesting 23 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:28.879 conversations anytime we have you on the show. You never 24 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.120 know what we're going to get into with our conversations. 25 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:34.560 But let's start with your new book, Beyond Bigfoot, The 26 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.879 Unrecognized Primates of North America. This is what your third 27 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:41.480 book tell us a little bit about what that process was, 28 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:43.920 like why you wrote this book and why now. 29 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.760 Well this one. It's very much kind of a continuation 30 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:50.760 of my second vote by thinking about scans struct Pretti 31 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:54.480 history while looking at the Statchborgs field, especially recient years, 32 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.400 WAT thing has always been to interest me as a whole. 33 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:01.120 Like that pipe chart. You always see the type one patties, 34 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.159 it's tap two's the type threes. Okay, let's look at 35 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:08.080 this primatologically. What can I really break down into what 36 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.840 this really means all the subspecies of Sasquatch. Are there 37 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.599 other species of unknown primates living here in North America? Then? 38 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.639 One big thing with my research and I look at 39 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:20.520 the past a lot. One thing with the past is 40 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.000 a lot of cryptos. All just take Lord Coleman, Mark 41 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.919 Hall reference other unknown primates, liberty in North America. The 42 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:30.479 three main ones I bring for my book are North 43 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.240 American ah, the Nate phenomena double monkeys, which something a 44 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.479 lot of people have heard of the recent here is 45 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:41.639 the gug week, these more bottsquad would muzzles. So I'm 46 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:46.080 trying to bring in more scientific perspectives on these beings 47 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.800 because I've never seen a double monkey book. I've never 48 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.680 seen a gugree really referenced in books. So I try 49 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:54.639 to write on stuff that I have a feet out there. 50 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.240 So let me be the one that writes about this stuff. 51 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.479 Gotcha, Let's talk about some of those those things that 52 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.319 you just talked about, the devil monkeys, the gugways, the 53 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.759 eighth phenomenon that's going on. Can you talk as much 54 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:09.479 about that as you can? How did you approach looking 55 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.280 into those since there isn't a ton of information out there, 56 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:13.960 obviously you had to do some digging and you had 57 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.479 to do some research to get into these things. Where 58 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:19.639 did you start? What was that process like? If you 59 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.000 wouldn't mind telling me and the audience a little bit 60 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:23.919 about each one of those creatures. 61 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:26.360 Of course, one of the first things that I usually 62 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:28.159 do when I started doing my research is I I 63 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.120 literally start looking at my bookshelves, what authors reference to, 64 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.639 what we talk about these creatures. One thing I did 65 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:36.159 especially is reach out to a lot of other researchers 66 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.000 because for me, a lot of my research goes to 67 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.960 a primarily Sasquatch. I maybe have one person in my 68 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.759 age like doublemore p. So I reached out to research. 69 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.199 You got no really more specialized and stuff like that. 70 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.520 One main researcher I reached out to was Lord Owen 71 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.639 himself lol and Coleman. If I think it a North 72 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:56.960 American ape Snona, I you needed to think of him. 73 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.479 That's why I reach out to the refirst. I'm a 74 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.560 research sure, I'm trying to get into this. What do 75 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.599 you suggest, what do you think? And then what I 76 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.599 did is look at the eye witness accounts, look at 77 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.759 where these sidings occur. Breaking it down by region, you 78 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.560 can get to see what these creatures are like. For instance, 79 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.360 the dover monkey. Out of the three, I think it's 80 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.959 the most well known of these three cryptids. Dover monkeys 81 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.199 described it too much a giant baboon. A lot of 82 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.160 people describe them ass. For instance here texasm here in 83 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:25.839 the South, there's a lot of sidings that are people 84 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.000 seeing released baboons. A lot of people think, okay, maybe 85 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.639 these heads that got away, But then if you look 86 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:34.920 in the area, there's no report to someone losing a rabboon. 87 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:39.519 There could be possibly these dove monkeys, and I talk 88 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.040 about okay, where the sightings? What can these creatures be? 89 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.040 One big thing with my research is origins are cryptis 90 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.920 because every animal has a natural history. So with these 91 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:53.399 cryptids being piritical leading breeding animals, where did it come from? 92 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.800 I've bring in my hypothesis that maybe dove monkeys could 93 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.439 be a group of primates that did evolve in North America, 94 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.360 originally evolved alongside happienings the known monkeys in Africa to 95 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:07.439 become very bad boon like because low known fact. A 96 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:10.279 lot of people know that primates originated here in North 97 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.600 America sixty sixty million years ago. The first real primates 98 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.839 of all genus started here in North America, didn't spread 99 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.800 out and when it supposedly went extinct back into e 100 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:24.199 s But as we know of the false rocket isn't complete. 101 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:26.839 The gug weeds come out in recent years. Gug we 102 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.399 means face theater. These primarily originated from northeast part in 103 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.360 North America. A lot of name of tribes is describeds 104 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.920 is not as Bigfoot, but as something else, something more violent, 105 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:40.920 something more ferocious. A lot of people described goug weies 106 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:43.839 as sasports like creatures, usually seven to eight feet tall. 107 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.279 But the one main difference with these creatures is the face. 108 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.399 They're vague, what we call pognatic. They're very protruding muscles, 109 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.519 almost vision to like people describe a dog mass phenomenal 110 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.600 or maybe something like a madual bat boon. Okay, this 111 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.160 creature is real, trying an idea of like almost speculative evolution. 112 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.160 So if these creatures are real, why would they have 113 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.920 this type of mandible? Why would they have this type 114 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.560 of morphology. Another interesting part of Gugree's are the legs. 115 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.920 People describe these creatures that having three toes. Interesting thing. Two. 116 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.839 A lot of people describe double monkeys. They're also having 117 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:25.480 three toes. I executively say, huh, it's weird. The uguis 118 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.560 and double monkeys are very similar morphologically. If we break 119 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:31.839 it down, and they both have two toes, they're both 120 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:37.439 very large, have very similar face shoes. So could these 121 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.480 creatures be related? We don't know, because of course we 122 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.199 don't have a body. But the one ham why really 123 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.759 go into depthwood is North American eight. What these creatures 124 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.319 are is when people hear in North American eight they pintymilia, junk, 125 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:53.040 the sat squatch, the bigfoot. These are more chipped like 126 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.079 species being seen here in North America. Really the main 127 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.680 origin points of these. War Lord Coleman, they saw few 128 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.680 him Mark hall So looking at signs of sasquatch and 129 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.759 they're saying there's something else here. Because one well known 130 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.160 account or North American aid came from Longngo with himself 131 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.600 Industry Ti Illinois discovered human like footprints without a virgin 132 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:18.639 big toe, just divergent big toe is indicative of what 133 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.240 we're called antropoidi, something more canto gorilla or chimpanzee or 134 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.800 something like that. Maybe Bernovo and people are describing these 135 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:32.439 change out in the woods describing Champanzees are maybe more 136 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.240 well Champanzee like than sasquatch, like a lot of people 137 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:39.680 Akindies like the more skunkate style of big flops. Like 138 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:41.920 here in the South we have sightings of the foul monster, 139 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.680 the skunk gave down in Florida. These creatures are blondie hair, 140 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.000 more wooly bully, more violent. See it's a big foot 141 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.120 up in the Cithern Northwest. So what if these creatures 142 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.839 could be a totally different species, or maybe there's subspecies 143 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:01.959 of sasquatch, which subspecies does are a lot in Grade eight. 144 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:06.360 Roads have four subspecies and chimps have two. So what 145 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:10.160 if the subspecies of sasquatch and these North American age, Well, 146 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.879 if these creatures did or not originate in North America 147 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.519 and moved it to North America at the previous time, 148 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:19.680 because this is very much continuation of Sasquatchic prehistory. I 149 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.759 go through prehistory in North America, so my hypothesis of 150 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.800 sasquat origins just hand in hand with North American eight. 151 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.879 What if these dry piphicines, these more chimpanzee leg creatures 152 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:33.360 that possibly into North America are in prehistory. What if 153 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.679 some of these they didn't evolved to become more sasquat, 154 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.440 some of these stayed in the swamps of the South 155 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:44.000 that at that time were very much, very tropical to 156 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:48.519 an extent, and stayed these more chimpanzee leg creatures down 157 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.600 here in the South. At the end of the book, 158 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.919 I really just showed what's the plausibility of four known 159 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:58.559 primates living in North America alongside Bigfoot. It's not very plausible. 160 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.000 So I will always put into little caveaty. Yes, a 161 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:03.919 lot of these are probably miss identifications. A lot of 162 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.879 is probably bears or maybe even juvenile sasquatch, like maybe 163 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.720 some of North American eight fightings all juveniles s escorts. 164 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:14.279 But there is something else going on here. So really 165 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:16.840 the books are out like really looking introities and really 166 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:19.320 asking the questions in the first place, because a lot 167 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.440 of these cryptids really haven't been referenced. A lot people 168 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.559 might be like, oh, yeah, I've heard of monkeys and 169 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.200 then don't really notice sightings. They know, maybe a simple description, 170 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.759 but they're older history behind it. So that's really what 171 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.279 this book's all about, is bringing the history and really 172 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.799 educating the public about three less you know, primates could 173 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:40.759 possibly be living alongside the Sans Sport chain North America. 174 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:45.879 Because ultimately I krying to bring into more older views 175 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.200 as cryptozoology. I am very much a neighbor, very much. 176 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.480 He's a physical creatures living on in the woods. But 177 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.879 how can we bring in the visual law tore aspect 178 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:58.879 of cryptozoology like horminology, it is like unknown hominids. How 179 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:01.440 can we bring these into more statitic perspectives and not 180 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.360 just people out there hunting mantras in the woods. 181 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.080 Speaking of cryptozoology in general, this is one of these 182 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:11.879 things that has always been a sticking point for me. 183 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:14.240 I believe in bigfoot. I've seen these things. 184 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:16.000 I know they're real. 185 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.600 The problem I have is with dog Man and some 186 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:23.360 of these other lesser known I can't say lesser known, 187 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:27.000 but some of these other cryptids that people describe. You've 188 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.919 got these, whether the California Walkers or what is it 189 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:34.639 I'm drawing up on the Fresno Crawl and those kind 190 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:38.240 of things. I've actually interviewed someone last year who had 191 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.879 an experience with what they believe to be a Fresno 192 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:44.840 Crawler type creature. But dog Man is probably the one 193 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.879 we can stick with at this point. Some of the 194 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.000 things that you talked about, when you take this very physical, 195 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:55.279 flesh and blood scientific approach and you get into hominology, 196 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:59.159 you look at the science behind how things walk, move, 197 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.080 and they're didnition, and how they would evolve if they 198 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:06.360 evolved from millions of years ago or if they evolved 199 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:10.039 more recently. All of those things, dog Man just does 200 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.679 not compute to me, because in my brain I go 201 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:17.240 to a NuBus and things like that that are mythological 202 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.720 creatures that we know of. As far as I'm concerned, 203 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:21.960 there's nothing in the fossil record or even close to 204 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.559 it that comes to a seven foot tall bipedal dog 205 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.639 like creature. So where are you on that as a cryptozoologist. 206 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.519 Maybe you don't look into dog men as much as 207 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.720 some of these other creatures, But how do you rationalize 208 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.879 that when you do your research into these creatures and 209 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.039 you look at some of these sightings where people are saying, 210 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.440 I saw a seven foot tall dog like creature, how 211 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.279 does your brain work? And how do you do that research? 212 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.200 Going into it? At least I would think you would 213 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.840 have to go into it at least somewhat skeptical. Going physiologically, 214 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.360 it doesn't make sense. So how do you rationalize that? 215 00:11:57.759 --> 00:11:59.600 And how do you approach that in your research? 216 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:02.960 Of course, actually point since the dog man phenomena, it 217 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.200 is a phenomena I look into quite a bit, because 218 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.600 especially being seen here in North America quite recently. Really, 219 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.720 what I've come to a conclusion would is that there's 220 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:17.559 two types of cryptoi zoologiz Paul. There's pure flesh and 221 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:21.240 blood cryptozoology and then what I like to call paracryptis, 222 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:27.600 these old paranormal creatures that morphologically don't make sense dog man, 223 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.440 goat man, sidings, the rake things like when they go 224 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.840 and skin walkers, these creatures that can't morphologically make sense biologically. 225 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.799 So there are origin points I put into not necessarily supernatural, 226 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:45.440 but more paranormal to outside of normal, outside biology. What 227 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.120 the Ulger point is, I don't know. That's really not 228 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.720 what my research goes into. Like for instance, what Sashqu's phenomena. 229 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.279 Not many times people bring up to me about the 230 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.519 old phenomena and these creatures just disappearing in front of them, 231 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.600 and these creatures are momal and like the evidence is 232 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.960 a negative of something else. But all those signings of 233 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.519 people getting that phenomena. I'm always one of those researchers 234 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.120 that I will always take indy witness count bottom hand, 235 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.120 Like always these people are seeing somebody, they're seeing something. 236 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.320 Is it what they think they're seeing? Possibly? But what 237 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.679 if it is another phenomena occurring like these paracryptids is 238 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.480 the term of with Look when my French text ressident, 239 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.799 there's some clean with attorney paracryptid research, but these paracryptids, 240 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:32.000 there's a whole other astroid de cryptive zoology. It's like 241 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.039 the new form of cryptozoology. I like to call it, 242 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.240 like it's like the new blood of people are getting 243 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.480 jamor oh what are these other more monsterrous creatures, more 244 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:45.399 mysterious creatures, like for instance, thinking like dog man, dead thing, dogmen, 245 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.399 I really wasn't talking about until nineteen nineties to go 246 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.200 my phenomenon. Really wasn't talking about two thousands. The rake 247 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.320 generally is a creepypasta, but yeah, people still see it 248 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.960 in the woods. So what are these creatures? Are they 249 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.200 pigments of our own imagination, all the creatures that have 250 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.600 come up from our own psyche. A lot of people, 251 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.720 to me, especially with the dog math, they're like what 252 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.840 came first, the dog man or the werewolf? I don't 253 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.440 really know what if it is us old traditions that 254 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:17.600 turned into perspectives because a lot of cryptozoology I don't 255 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.440 think a lot of people talk about really is psychology 256 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:25.360 our own psyches. If you have a predetermined belief in something, 257 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:27.879 you're expecting to see it in your own reality, like 258 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.600 for instance, people that believe in sasquats. If you'll always 259 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:32.879 think about Bigfoot whenever you see something big and hairy 260 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:34.919 in the woods. Back in your mind, you're thinking it's 261 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.879 a bigfoot, even though it's probably just a bear. You've 262 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:39.559 probably heard the saying sash quarts on the mind or 263 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.799 bigfoot on the mind. It's very much like that. It's 264 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.639 like people that are highly religious and Jesus's facing the 265 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.399 Jeta chit. If you do a lot of research in 266 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.759 dog math phenomena of culture, expecting to see a dog 267 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.799 man one day, not really expecting, but it's more likely 268 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.600 to occur because it's already in your head. That's how 269 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:01.159 the human psyche works. So it is more the cryptigs 270 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.799 that put hand in hand with the more psychological aspects 271 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:04.720 of cryptozoology. 272 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.919 Stay tuned for more sasquat Chota see will be right 273 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:10.440 back after these messages. 274 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.200 But the true flesh and blood, that's just stuff like 275 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:22.519 the Bigfoot phenomenon, things like unknown cats lit near regular 276 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.559 canine has been seen around the world, like the Shark King, 277 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:29.480 the Asa, things like that. But really what's taken over 278 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.919 cryptozoology recently is these paracryptige Let's be honest, they're a 279 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.759 little bit more fantastical. They're the ones that are really 280 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:40.000 the movie stars, the cryptozoology also with a lot of 281 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:44.799 pots of homophism, the mixture of human traits and animal 282 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.639 traits that's under we're seen throughout human history. If it's 283 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.320 just for thousands of years, why would it not just now? 284 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.440 What if these dog man and goat men and other 285 00:15:55.519 --> 00:16:00.919 creatures are just modern forms of the fond Greece of 286 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.759 a newbish from Egypt. Because people think the same wading 287 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.480 about now they think back then these are creatures that 288 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:13.399 are just more psychological and origin gen truly physiological. 289 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.600 You might say, yeah, it's the same thing with moth Man. 290 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.879 It's one of those fascinating creatures. Everybody is in love. 291 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.720 I can't say everybody, but a lot of people are 292 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.759 in love with mathmn. It's a huge thing. The moth 293 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:28.320 Man Prophecies obviously was a phenomenal book and then movie. 294 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:31.679 I've been into moth Man. It's one of my favorite cryptids. 295 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.440 It just doesn't make sense to me that it would 296 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:38.279 really exist. However, so many people have had those kind 297 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.960 of experience with these creatures. I interviewed Lynes Strickler. God 298 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.399 has probably been two or three years ago at this point. 299 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.279 From fantoms and monsters. If you guys have never checked 300 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.840 out his blog. Line does amazing stuff as far as cryptids, 301 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:54.600 bigfoot stuff. He had a ton of bigfoot experiences earlier 302 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.080 on in life, and now he's basically, I can't say 303 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.559 full time, but the majority of it his time is 304 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:06.599 documenting these in and around Chicago. He's documenting these sightings 305 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.279 of what can only be described as a mothman type 306 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:13.279 creature flying around the city and other places. It's not 307 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.640 just in Chicago, but primarily in Chicago. And Lon and 308 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.960 I got into this conversation about they're using astral projection. 309 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.839 They're using I guess you could only describe it as 310 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:29.000 telepathy because he has this pretty large, expansive group of 311 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.480 people that do research with him around the country. There's 312 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.519 a lot of people that are intuitive and claim to 313 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:37.519 have these abilities. And Line was telling me that they 314 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:42.319 had connected with what they believed to be these mothman creatures, 315 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.359 and they're basically in a nutshell. It turns out they 316 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:49.279 think there's some sort of alien being. They're not of 317 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.559 this world. They're not a flesh and blood, born and 318 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:54.359 bred on the earth kind of creature. 319 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:55.119 I don't know. 320 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.400 It's hard for me to wrap my brain around that 321 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.119 kind of thing. Where are you on Mothman? Do you 322 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:02.559 think it's something that could be one of these pair 323 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.720 of cryptids as you call it. Do you think mass 324 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:08.839 hysteria isn't even a thing when it comes to some 325 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:09.640 of these cryptids. 326 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.400 I think Madison sparia is a big part of this, Yes, 327 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:15.920 But like with the moth math phenomena, I think I 328 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:18.480 put it very much in the idea of that these paracryptids. 329 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.359 Because it's always a conversation. I always remember it's the 330 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:23.920 first time I ever met Ken Darehart. I I went 331 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:26.359 up to hey, mister Gerhard, I only first met him. 332 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.880 You all researched black human origin? Yes, or like they 333 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.920 don't make sense biologically, He's what do you mean. I'm like, 334 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:34.279 everything that has a spinal cord has full lives. These 335 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.319 creatures are say, with arms, legs, and wings. There's no 336 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.559 longer a tetrapod. It's all the insight. At that point, 337 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:42.400 He's okay, you have a good head on his shoulders. 338 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:46.079 I'm like, thank you. So stuff like that doesn't biologically 339 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:49.119 make sense. Think about dragons. Dragons don't make sense because 340 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:51.839 they're seeing what they're no longer a tetrapod. They're seeing 341 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.920 what with fixullan but interesting chair because mothman is usually 342 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.039 seen with just wings and lays, it's not really a 343 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.079 lot of thigings of him having arm, Like the statue 344 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.240 in Point Pleasant shows them off man with arms. Die 345 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.880 witnesses didn't originally describe that. But when a lot of 346 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:14.880 modern eye witnesses or men describe arms, are they referencing 347 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.319 arms because they start on the statue or at a 348 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.519 refuge to arms? Because they're actually seeing in reality? For instance, 349 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.799 this is actually a phenomenon that I'm coming up a 350 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.240 lot now in a recent research comping a lot more 351 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:32.680 research into international cryptids into these built Congolese mon the dinofolls. Okay, 352 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:36.720 in another dinosaur scene in Africa, No, it's interesting. No, 353 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.440 it came out a couple of years before that Lost 354 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:43.480 World by Darob de Coronan Doyle about living dinosaurs, and 355 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:45.359 then all of a sudden in Africa people start seeing 356 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.839 living dinosaurs, but the locals were referencing something totally different. 357 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:53.200 It's the same phenomena we see now, like, for instance, 358 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.960 how many dog Man eye witnesses describe what I saw 359 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:58.720 was exactly like what I saw in the dog Soldiers 360 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:03.960 or at Helsing or any other werewolf movie. Are they 361 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:06.680 referencing it because they already saw the movie, so they 362 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.960 have an idea what it looks like. We'll they just 363 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.839 like matching it to what, don't you know? So it's 364 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:15.240 the idea of I said earlier, the precognition of you 365 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.839 already saw a werewolf, you know what a werewolf looks like. 366 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.759 You see something that's more kind of werewolf like, so 367 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.160 you make it aware, you make it a dog. It's 368 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:27.599 very much like a sasquatch too. We know what primates 369 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:29.680 look like, and we know what humans look like. We 370 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.119 make sure both together. So I think that's one thing 371 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:35.160 why we have a lot more sashquatch signs, a lot 372 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.759 more dogma signs, is just because we'll bring it up more. 373 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.240 And it'd be that people are bringing it to the 374 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:43.559 researchers like me and you because there's more researchers now. 375 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:47.680 But also when people start hearing about Bigfoot and sasquatch, 376 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.480 they are more expecting to see them in their reality. 377 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.000 A lot of researcher will say a lot of signs 378 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:56.680 of miss identifications. There is a phenomenal our current here. 379 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.640 I don't think anyone that saw big flat saw a bear. No, 380 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:02.960 the sidings are totally different. Now mopology doesn't make sense. 381 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:06.920 But a big aspect of which cryptosology is the psychology 382 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:09.920 of like what the congo these dinosaurs. Okay, the native 383 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:13.559 traditions reference these creatures, but if you love at the 384 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:18.720 original prescriptions, they're describing elephants and rhinos and giraffes. But 385 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.640 then after show out to Cornandorial's a lost world, people 386 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:27.960 started describing soulpod dinosaurs he wreches down to Congo. It's 387 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.559 not what their locals are referencing, it's what they are 388 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:34.880 bringing with what called cultural anacriticism. Africa. Right now, we're 389 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.599 seeing as the dark continent. They've seen it's like a 390 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.240 wild space where dinosaurs could live. So people brought in 391 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.960 their own cultural ideas, mixed it with the indigenous culture, 392 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:50.680 and came out with more bashardized ideas of these indigenous legends. 393 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.480 I think that occurred here in North America as well. 394 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:56.160 For instance, I like to bring up with history. When 395 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.839 Thomas Jefferson made Milos Clark across the Mississippian by Potland, 396 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:04.000 he told him we looked up with mammoth Sharon Brownslow 397 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.920 because they had the idea that the Westernish matches were 398 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:13.039 still like the store primordial round your giant bears and 399 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.160 gympity catch lift and giant ground flows. 400 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:16.920 Is it? 401 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:21.960