1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,599 Speaker 1: If he makes men freees come a lardlish okay banimitrilas 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,720 dinan vopaul dol into the forste di martunker, a gandol nicotine, 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,839 a renord, agola, a guess renumera hoko is moshanskagashi at 4 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:22,399 the back, agasi ni shine frushan Martian taringanol rhine, August 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,160 lauerlo Enov find a feeri kif paula nicotine through a 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,760 quarter hc puki tall slash veping on hc. 7 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:33,119 Speaker 2: Mom, Why did they call it Scottish cheese? 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,719 Speaker 1: It's cottage cheese, honey. And I'm not sure. 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: Did the dogs in other countries speak different languages? 10 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:39,759 Speaker 1: Yeah? 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: I think so. 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: When when we get there, well, we've got to fix 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,280 the car first, but there's someone coming to help us. 14 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:47,079 Speaker 2: Is it the man from Geneva? 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: Not Geneva, he's from a Viva. Oh there's the van. 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 4: Now. 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: For car insurance with breakdown rescue, it takes a Viva 18 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:57,759 visit a Viva da e to say fifteen percent acceptance 19 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:00,600 criteria terms and conditions apply. Minimum premium of three hundred 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,640 and ten year old. Fifteen percent discount applies to new 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,319 policies BottomLine see a Viva dot i E for details. 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Car insurance is underwritten by a Viva Insurance Ireland DOC. 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,359 A Viva Direct Arland Limited is regulated by the Central 24 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,040 Bank of Ireland. 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 4: Maining A man like this, man letting butterfly, flapping his wing, 26 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:18,480 big down in a force. 27 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: Man, it gonna cause the tree. 28 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,879 Speaker 5: Fall, letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody see nobody else. 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: You don't need no man like you followed a little 30 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:33,319 story and you. 31 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,799 Speaker 5: Got directed like that. 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,359 Speaker 2: Man, don't black a dang on the piano. 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:48,719 Speaker 6: Man, Man, no matter. Man All right. Edward McLaren, Welcome 34 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:49,920 to Jay Burden Show. How are you doing. 35 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:51,599 Speaker 5: I'm doing pretty good. Nice to be here. 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 6: I'm very excited to have you on. We have some 37 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:58,400 friends in common and as per usual, uh, we had 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,840 a pretty interesting conversation or I even hit record, which is, 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,239 you know, maybe not professional but interesting. Nonetheless, So I'm 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,840 familiar with your work, but some of my audience might 41 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:10,000 not be. So who are you and what do you do? 42 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 5: Well? Let me think so. 43 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 4: In essence, I'm a PhD researcher on English literature and 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,639 I was initially doing my PhD project on Jane Austin 45 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:27,879 and evolutionary psychology. I've changed the topic. They really didn't 46 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:31,240 want me to do that. But in the meantime I've 47 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,719 also worked as a journalist for Courage Media, which is 48 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:38,759 an organization that employs color Thomlinson from the Lotus Eaters, 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,759 So there are some links over there. And I was 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,319 thinking of doing a very long analysis of what's called 51 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:49,080 the Casey Report, which we got in twenty twenty five 52 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:54,479 about the grimming gangs. And I was bewildered when I 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,719 came across this supposedly stainless document, because you would get 54 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:04,360 a Maize data on a page from Operation Stovewood about 55 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:08,759 Rotheram or Rochdale saying that the absolute majority of Grimmer's 56 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:12,639 were Pakistani Muslims, and then on the same page as 57 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,360 that data, over and over again, you would get paragraphs 58 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:21,199 saying that you cannot make any cultural or ethnic judgments 59 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:24,800 based on the data that they have directly presented to you. 60 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:29,120 And it made me realize that just having the data 61 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:32,280 in putting it out there isn't good enough, and that 62 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:36,120 the case Your report had been epistemologically captured. What was 63 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:39,479 necessary was to not only do a lot of research 64 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:42,319 into this topic and then make it available, but also 65 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,680 just tell the story of the Grimming gang crisis in 66 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:48,120 the form of a story, in the form of a novel, 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,400 and that's what I tried to do in Bothlefort's Gone, 68 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:55,280 which is this book that Molden, which is an imprint 69 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:59,120 of alban has recently released, and I think they've done 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,360 a pretty good job, least with how the cover and 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,560 the design looks. 72 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 6: So I followed the release of the Casey Report sort 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,560 of at a distance, right, it's sort of difficult in 74 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:16,560 my mind to truly understand in other countries's politics, albeit 75 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:19,519 easier in the case of you know, America and the 76 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:22,160 United Kingdom because they are one so linked and also, 77 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:25,480 you know, you are sort of our cultural cousins. And 78 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:31,839 there were several things I noticed, which is one, there 79 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:35,639 was very much, as you've said, a desire to pistemically 80 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:41,879 capture this narrative because it's extremely damaging to the preferred 81 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:45,639 narrative of a certain faction of the cultural elite, right, 82 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,120 the sort of multicultural project. And so I'm curious if 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,079 you could, could you describe one why that report was 84 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,519 so important, the process that produced it, and also look 85 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,879 these grooming gates as grooming gangs as a story broke 86 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,240 if I believe over a decade ago. 87 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:08,959 Speaker 5: What was the. 88 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,199 Speaker 6: Process of creating this report and what has the reaction been, 89 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:14,560 both from within the government and outside it. 90 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:16,639 Speaker 5: Well, there's quite a lot there. 91 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: I think the first thing to establish is this report 92 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:26,680 was written largely in response to another report that I 93 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,920 seem to remember came out in twenty twenty two, and 94 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,480 this report was from the Home Office, and it claimed 95 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:40,839 that the grooming gang phenomenon was overwhelmingly white men. And 96 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:45,279 then you had a labor no a Libdan counselor who 97 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:48,920 was a Wikipedia editor go on the Wikipedia page of 98 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:53,240 the grooming gangs and define it as a moral panic, 99 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,480 like something that never happened. And so most people see 100 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,839 the Casey Report, the twenty twenty five one, as opposed 101 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:05,000 to the twenty fifteen one, as correcting that totally botched 102 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,360 operation that went on before it. So my interpretation is 103 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:13,519 slightly revisionist in this sense, because it's still evidently not 104 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:17,720 enough in terms of how this has been processed by 105 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:24,079 people in government. Narratively, it's put a lot of pressure 106 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:27,680 on them to actually identify the grooming gang thing as 107 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,240 a big issue. But given that the giant bureaucracy that 108 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:35,720 is partly responsible for denying the existence of this thing 109 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:39,319 for years and years is still intact. They haven't been 110 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,519 able to cordon people together and perform a successful grooming 111 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,160 gang trial, sorry inquiry that's basically been left to route 112 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,720 but low. The other thing is there's an enormous amount 113 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,519 of reluctance in the Labor Party because so many of 114 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:58,120 their young voters are Muslims. The phrase girls for votes 115 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,079 adequately described to the situation. Furthermore, there is just testimony 116 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,800 from the mothers of victims that Julie Bindle, who's an 117 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,439 excellent journalist, was talking about in the early two thousands, 118 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:13,560 who just believed that their daughters were being thrown away 119 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:18,600 because the anti racist narrative couldn't process their suffering in 120 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:21,560 any way at all. And they thought it's an awful 121 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,319 shame that votes are more important than little girls, and 122 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,399 they said this repeatedly. In terms of the grooming gang 123 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:32,759 phenomenon itself and the way that it's been historically reported, 124 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,959 there are a lot of mistakes. 125 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 5: That people make. 126 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:37,959 Speaker 4: One of the big ones is thinking that it has 127 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,399 just gone on since the nineteen nineties. Another big one 128 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:44,439 is assuming that it's all over and that it basically finished. 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,079 In twenty eleven, with the arrests of I think Arshid 130 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Hassaying and Basharat as Saying Basha Rat who also flew 131 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,040 to Pakistan whilst his trial was going on. People were 132 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,000 deeply afraid about him fleeing the country. He was permitted 133 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,560 to go home for some reason, and then he came back, 134 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,680 which is very nice of him. 135 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:05,439 Speaker 5: We have no idea why. 136 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:08,519 Speaker 4: Actually, we pretty much know that this stuff is going 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,240 on now and it's going to be a lot worse. 138 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:14,199 So in early two thousands, according to the Office for 139 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:20,839 National Statistics, Britain had about twelve thousand rapes annually, whereas now, 140 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:23,800 I think this is the most recent data is from 141 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,680 twenty twenty four. It's over seventy seven thousand, which means 142 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:34,200 we have surpassed Sweden in those terms of immense cultural enrichment. Now, 143 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,480 if the rape rate is that much higher, and the 144 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:40,440 demography is so much worse, and the cultural capture of 145 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,919 institutions that say you can never ever talk about other 146 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,679 ethnicities in a negative way or at all critically has 147 00:08:49,759 --> 00:08:52,240 gotten much worse, then we would expect the grooming gang 148 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,919 phenomenon to persist and be worse. At the same time, 149 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,720 Maggie Oliver, who was a whistleblower from Rochdale, she's a 150 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,919 former police officer, thinks that London is the keystone, the 151 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,039 intact keystone of the entire operation. We know girls were 152 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:13,200 frequently being taken to not only London Bradford. So the 153 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,200 idea that it's just these two towns Rochdale Rotherham, I mean, 154 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,879 that's the third big one. That's ridiculous. There's are containment vessels. 155 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,120 For the narrative, I've gone off on a bit of 156 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,559 a tangent, so I'll just I'll keep to the story 157 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,759 of how this thing actually came about in microcosm, and 158 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,399 you can cut me off if you find me boring. 159 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:36,039 So basically, the way that I put things in the 160 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,000 historical preface of my book, which is a novel, but 161 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,399 I have to have the historical preface, is that this 162 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,480 all really started in nineteen forty eight, and this started 163 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:48,600 because of Clement Apley's Nationality Act, which meant that former 164 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,360 colonial subjects, many of whom had fought in the Second 165 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,440 World War for the British, could move from their respective 166 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,360 countries and come to Britain. Now, there was push back 167 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:02,279 against this as soon as it happened, and even Churchill 168 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:07,159 had this policy of keep Britain white for a while. Also, 169 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:11,600 supposedly there is a narrative saying that this bill only 170 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,799 was only meant to apply to British people living in 171 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,360 the colonies and trying to leave whilst you had all 172 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,960 of these revolutionary upheavals, say in India, Rdiza and so. 173 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 5: On and so forth. 174 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: Bridisha is specifically included in the Act, and that there 175 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:33,600 was some capture of the Workers' Union that had a 176 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,320 role in putting this policy into place. To expand the definition, now, 177 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,320 I need to investigate that in more detail. However, it's 178 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,720 worth speculating on now. What happened then was in the 179 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:49,519 nineteen sixties there was a British Commonwealth project called, I 180 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:52,360 think it was the Magya Dam, and this was a 181 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:57,240 large dam that was built in modern day Kashmir, and 182 00:10:57,519 --> 00:11:01,440 this thing caused the villages around it, the Murpuri villagers, 183 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,679 to flood, and the British government decided that it would 184 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,720 give these displaced people amnesty, and it started bringing in 185 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:14,039 enormous numbers of Pakistani Muslims in the nineteen sixties, hundreds 186 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:18,120 of thousands at that point. Now, this is where we 187 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:23,840 would expect it to start. Jacques did a wonderful analysis 188 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,759 of this sort of thing where they're looking at the 189 00:11:25,759 --> 00:11:28,159 deep history of the gangs and they're looking at all 190 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:30,559 of these different archives, sorry, all of these different articles 191 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:36,120 from the British newspaper archives that show that there was 192 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,519 child sex, slavery, there was trafficking, and it had been 193 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,000 going on for a really long time. This then persisted 194 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:50,000 and continued and was simply not addressed because the kind 195 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,919 of people that go into not only childcare, but academia 196 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:56,559 and especially criminology, which I think we'll get into in 197 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360 a second, are exactly the kind of people that bought 198 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:02,919 Hooklin Sinker into the idea that we are blacks like 199 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,639 human beings, and all cultures are beautiful and if there 200 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:08,759 are any differences, one must never speak about it. So 201 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,720 then what occurred was in the nineteen nineties, large groups 202 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:16,320 of Native people were trying to get together and protests 203 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,240 against this kind of stuff. This was seemingly, well, it's 204 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,679 not seeming. This was shut down and they were condemned 205 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,919 as thugs. You had the English Defense League, which was 206 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,399 initially known as the United People of Luton, which was 207 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,159 led by Tommy Robinson otherwise known as Stephen Yaxley something 208 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,360 or other in the early two thousands. And not only 209 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,759 were they protesting Muslims who had been having a go 210 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:43,559 at soldiers who had then been fighting in various wars 211 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,320 in the Middle East, but also this expanded and it 212 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:49,559 grew into a protest movement about the booming gangs. There 213 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:55,360 is an extremely revealing clip of this drunk, young bald 214 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:59,759 guy who was talking about Muslamic rape gangs. He's not 215 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:03,000 in the especially bright chat, but he's out there because 216 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,440 he's deeply afraid. And what happened was people like Russell Howard, 217 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,000 the comedian, all over British television were joking about how 218 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,879 this guy says, muslim a ray guns like that. 219 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 5: There was even a kid, a. 220 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 4: Pakistani kid at my school who showed me this little 221 00:13:21,399 --> 00:13:24,879 clip of Haha, this stupid chav, look he's doing this 222 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,320 or that. So that's the attitude that the media class 223 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,840 had to this kind of thing, and gradually they've been 224 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,960 forced to acknowledge that this is actually taking place. 225 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,039 Speaker 5: So you had the Alexis j report. 226 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,039 Speaker 4: I think that was in twenty fourteen, and you had 227 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:43,759 the gang leaders in Rochdale and Rotherham eventually trialed and 228 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:49,559 put away. However, Rotherham, it's worth noting, only has a 229 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,840 three or four percent Pakistani population, and the same thing 230 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:56,639 is more or less true of Rochdale. And what someone 231 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:00,919 like the excellent Peter McLaughlin says his book Easy Meat, 232 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,480 which is the best analysis of the grooming gangs I've 233 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,720 managed to get my hands on, is these people were 234 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,759 frequently going in an out of Bradford. Not only was 235 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:14,840 this Oldham, Telford, London, pretty much every large urban city 236 00:14:14,919 --> 00:14:21,639 or sprawl. Those cases in Rochdale and Rotherham potentially only 237 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:25,320 got to trial because the population of the Muslims was 238 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:31,320 small and you know, you didn't have this community of 239 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:33,759 people trying to remain silent in order to protect their 240 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:36,799 own Whereas in Bradford, where I think it's fifty two 241 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,159 percent of the population who were Pakistani, that situation is 242 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,360 almost certainly going to be much much worse. Elon Musk's reporting, 243 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,320 while not reporting, just reposting things on Twitter. In the 244 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,039 last year and a half and Eric Kaufman's articles for 245 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,000 The Free Press have brought an international spotlight on this 246 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,799 sort of thing. But fundamentally, the same people are running 247 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:02,799 things set a bureaucractic level, and therefore nothing is going 248 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,120 to change unless one does a certain amount of narrative 249 00:15:06,159 --> 00:15:07,120 damage to these people. 250 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:13,159 Speaker 6: There's a lot there that I want to address. One 251 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,120 of the things you said very early was the sort 252 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:23,440 of vote for girls, the fact that Muslims are a 253 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,600 major constituent block in the kind of labor voting scheme. 254 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:35,679 Where does that leave one the white working class it's 255 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,480 an American term, but the working class who traditionally have 256 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:42,759 been aligned with labor. It seems that that would represent 257 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,080 and I know it did in the sort of last 258 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,679 series of bizarre elections you guys have had. Where does 259 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,559 that voting block go, Because seemingly those would be the people, 260 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:55,759 as you've just said, you know the chav you're talking about, 261 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,519 you know ray guns in the lake. Where are those 262 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:04,480 people going? Because seemingly labor is unwilling to address it. 263 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,559 I am very very confident in saying the Conservatives are 264 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:15,679 completely unwilling or incapable of addressing that issue. Where does 265 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,120 that political energy go? 266 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,039 Speaker 4: Well, I mean we're seeing them either go to reform 267 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,759 or restore but just to focus more on the enemy 268 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:30,039 for a second. If you look at the most popular 269 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,639 parties among students, that say Ethan or harrow the very 270 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:39,879 very big elite factories for future leaders of the country. 271 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:42,960 They love labor and they love the Greens. They looked 272 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,559 for those guys. I mean, it's luxury politics, but it's 273 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:52,480 gone further than the slightly resentful bourgeois pseudo socialism that 274 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:55,600 you had around in the seventies and eighties. These people 275 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,840 actually hate the working class. They really despise them. They 276 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:01,120 hate the fact that they are very salt of the earth. 277 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:06,799 They are naturally conservative, they appreciate retributive justice, and they 278 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:10,680 are also nationalists to some extent or another, and they 279 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:15,480 like the footing. These people cannot stand those guys, and 280 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:22,359 they see replacement migration as a strategy to shift the 281 00:17:24,759 --> 00:17:28,559 burden that they feel to care for people as good, 282 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:32,119 you know, bourgeois, upper middle class people. They think, if 283 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,559 you just do away with the proletariat and bring in 284 00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:40,519 an international preletariat the global South, then not only do 285 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:44,519 you get to feel better because those people are arguably 286 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:46,720 more helpless, but you also. 287 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 5: Get to get rid of your enemy. To a certain extent. 288 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:49,400 As well. 289 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 4: The other thing, and this is very psychologically obvious when 290 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,559 one goes and meet some of these people, as given 291 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:00,240 my accent in my class background, is almost inevitable to 292 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:07,559 me is the fact that, how would I put it, 293 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:17,519 they regard they regard their work as a kind of 294 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:22,279 extension of the state, the media, narrative, the Welt and 295 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:26,759 schwang of liberal democracy, and they are guided by this 296 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:34,559 strange jahad to create a world where they are I mean, 297 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,920 not necessarily displaced, but they're managerialists who are trying to, 298 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,839 you know, heard different groups of human beings in one 299 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:46,119 direction or another. They see themselves as those powerful controllers, 300 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:50,160 and I mean it's almost self consciously juvenilion to a 301 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,599 certain extent or another apologies, I lost my train of thought, not. 302 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 6: At all, one other thing, or we're talking about voting 303 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,839 blocks in kind of the grossest way. As an outside observer, 304 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:08,319 one thing I've noticed about British politics is that feminism 305 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,400 occupies the same, maybe not the same, but a similar 306 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,759 kind of sacred role that racism does in America, where 307 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,799 it is a driving force in your politics. And so 308 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,920 when I look at characters like Jess Phillips, who certainly 309 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,440 is quite left wing. She and others like her, and 310 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,519 there are many like her, are placed in a very 311 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,799 uncomfortable situation by the grooming gang scandal because on one hand, 312 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,000 they have defined themselves and their left wingness by in 313 00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:48,279 many cases this feminism, but are sort of stuck due 314 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,160 to these sort of sacred minorities. And so I'm curious, 315 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:56,640 how is it? I realized the feminist is an incredibly 316 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,880 broad block, But how have those sorts of people reacted 317 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,880 to this skin Where do they find themselves? 318 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: I generally think that they don't even process it. There's 319 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,960 a section in the novel where I talk about this 320 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,799 Arab sitting on a war memorial, having soiled himself there 321 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,359 and drinking beer and then yelling at the main character's mother. 322 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:23,960 Now that actually happened, and it happened in front of 323 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:29,240 me in Oxford. And the thing is everyone else around 324 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,039 they just mentally deleted him, They blanked him from existence, 325 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,440 or they pretended it was fine. 326 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 5: They just didn't process. 327 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 4: It in any way at all. To this extent, I 328 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:47,200 think the Cunnley's UK aesthetics account is very, very useful because, 329 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:51,759 much like Jacob Savage has been credited with naming and 330 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,680 giving weight and reality to anti white male discrimination in 331 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:00,720 creative fields. Cunnley has put his finger on this thing 332 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,359 UK that we've all kind of known about and we 333 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,160 have seen expanding like Mordor for about the last twenty 334 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,160 to thirty years. We can see that because all of 335 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,240 the UK stuff has been clustered together, the delivery drivers, 336 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:20,960 the kebab shops. That's egregious, you know, ruination of our 337 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,480 culture in some way or another, or the embarrassment of 338 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:27,240 prior forms, the work of thecation of Shakespeare. But the 339 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:32,240 people in the bureaucratic positions who are responsible for prosecutions 340 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,920 within the government, people like Jess Phillips, I don't think 341 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,160 they see that at all. And in fact, some of 342 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,200 these people are extremely angry that the UK thing has 343 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,599 been named and is now common parlance whatsoever. There was 344 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:49,359 a podcast, a BBC podcast in which these two guys 345 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,519 were talking about it and said, no, this is a 346 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:57,200 very very bad influence to have. So at the end 347 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:03,519 of the day, the idea that these people are post 348 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:09,039 Christians is quite important. They regard charitable work in the 349 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:12,599 tradition of someone like William Wilberforce as more important than 350 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,200 any actual Orthodox spirituality. And they think it is their 351 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:21,640 duty to look after these little pets in order to 352 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,079 fulfill their spiritual destiny, to fulfill their tellos. And well, 353 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,000 if we can't have that, if we can't have this 354 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,839 lovely world, multicultural, multicolored world that someone like Michael Jackson 355 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,799 would sing about, then well it's worth pretending anyway. That's 356 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:41,000 the psychological structure that they have. And because of this bizarre, 357 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,599 infectious disease that they have inherited philosophically, they can almost 358 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,440 get nothing done or they don't want to do it. 359 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,720 And rather than this simply being a top down cover 360 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:53,200 up organized by some cabal, if you go and look 361 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,759 at the particular files or the police reports referenced in 362 00:22:55,759 --> 00:23:03,480 the Times articles, you see this it's I'm blurring. 363 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 5: That thing out so that I don't have to go 364 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,400 near it. 365 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 4: So I don't expect anything positive to come from any 366 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,559 of these people. 367 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 6: There was an interesting article I mentioned to you before 368 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,119 we went live from New York mag just titled Pizzagate 369 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,160 was not real, right Lestion Mark, And the specifics of 370 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,839 that article are sort of indetermined. This conversation, they're talking 371 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,960 about the Epstein scandal. We are not here, but what's 372 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,799 interesting about that is the framing of that article. The 373 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,599 author is I don't remember which, he's an Ivy League 374 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,160 educated marketing executive, highly compensated, one of what we would 375 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,319 kind of derisively referred to as the PMC professional managerial class. 376 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,200 And he's talking about the new revelations from the recently 377 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,359 released DOJ files. And what's interesting about it is he 378 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,799 frames this for his reader as a situation where the 379 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:08,960 real crime is that the gammin the Chuds were right. 380 00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:12,599 That's what we're upset about. We're upset that one they 381 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,119 were correct about this, and them being correct puts our 382 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:21,119 project at risk. He does some sort of lip service saying, 383 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,519 you know, we're trapped between a rock and a hard place, 384 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:27,359 the dangers to democracy and heavy scare quotes coming from 385 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,680 the rising tides of the conspiracy theorists. And also, oh yes, 386 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,039 of course these pataphiole eats, they are a problem as well. 387 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,799 But I think that that's sort of a revealing article, 388 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:41,599 not because you know, I have any strong opinions one 389 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,200 way or another on the whole pizza Gate scandal, but 390 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:50,759 because that mental model, where these horrific crimes are a 391 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:55,680 problem only so much as they imperil that sort of 392 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:59,720 Christianity without Christ globalist and I mean that not in 393 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:04,920 out S Jones sense, but global project that is, you know, 394 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:10,720 the highest, the most sacred goal. And I think it's 395 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,680 sort of revealing that he is. Any others I've read 396 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,319 this article before are upset about the damage done to 397 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,960 the narrative more than the very real human. 398 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 4: Cost the rising tide of conspiracy theories against New York 399 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,319 Times estate. 400 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 6: Rivers of Blood. But we'll change out the too much. 401 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,319 I want you to know, Edward, this is a very 402 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,359 serious episode, but Rivers of Chud might be the title 403 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,240 of it because it's too funny to let go. 404 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 5: Why not? That's good enough? 405 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: Well on this topic, I think the example that immediately 406 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,880 comes to mind is Nick Lowells, who's now head of 407 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,839 Hope Not Hate. I believe this was back when he 408 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:57,519 was running Searchlight, which was this left wing magazine, arguably 409 00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,960 with intelligence connections. The Communists really didn't like those guys 410 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,000 at all. They regarded them as an MI five unit 411 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,279 to some extent or another. But he was writing this 412 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:11,720 article in the early two thousands about the grimming gangs, 413 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,359 which are better described as sort of I don't know, 414 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,839 sexual terrorism enforcement units of one kind or another, about 415 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:24,000 how this is a really big problem because it gives 416 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,759 energy to the far right, y'all. And it means that 417 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,720 it means that Nick Griffin and the British National Party 418 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,240 are going to be emboltant by this kind of thing. 419 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,119 I mean, who cares about the terrorist attack that has 420 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,559 occurred in your little village. I mean it could feed 421 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,240 the far right. It could you know, lead to endless 422 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,000 streams of chruds forming great rivers of some variety or another. 423 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,240 It's all they really care about. And further than that, 424 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:54,000 I believe a lot of these people they assimilate these 425 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,599 that they assimilate themselves to newspapers. They regard the New 426 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,880 York Times or the Washington Examiner, or in our kin 427 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,480 through the Financial Times or the Guardian as the biological 428 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,119 extension of themselves. And if you damaged the reputation of 429 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,920 the newspaper or the BBC, I mean, you can effectively 430 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,119 see their health bar go down in real time. This 431 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,200 occurred quite recently with Trump threatening to sue the BBC 432 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,839 because during one of their documentaries, hilariously enough, on conspiracy theories, 433 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,279 they took his capital speech and they spliced one part 434 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,240 of it in another part of it to make it 435 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,119 seem like he was inciting violence when he was not. 436 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960 And the looks and the faces of these types who 437 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:44,599 adore the BBC, as you know, the embodiment of Lord 438 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,279 Reith's noble mission in the early twentieth century to educate 439 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,640 the masses and raise them up. I mean they were 440 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,799 distraught about that sort of thing. I mean in America, 441 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,440 but also in our country. People feel like this about 442 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,759 the universities as well. I've been two different universities. When 443 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,000 I was in Edinburgh, one third of the people were Chinese. 444 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,000 One third of the people were Indians. The Chinese did 445 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:13,759 not speak English, many of them. And the articles that 446 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,640 they would produce at that stage they weren't Ai written, 447 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,440 but there would be tutoring businesses that they were running 448 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,799 with each other in order to put those articles in. 449 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,240 And sure enough, if you tried to bring this up 450 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,359 with anyone, then it was your fault because you suddenly 451 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,279 awakened them to the reality of the situation. Why do 452 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,160 you have to point that out. It's like you've done 453 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,759 it to a certain extent. God, I hate that Nick 454 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:40,240 Griffin is mentioning the grooming gangs and the British National 455 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:44,559 parties reporting on this is somewhat useful. Oh, he's caused 456 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,319 it in essence, So they really like to shoot the messenger. 457 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:50,680 And this is a trait that I haven't actually heard 458 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,319 talked about very often, but they do because the narrative 459 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,200 is their entire world. They don't really have anything else 460 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,759 in any of them. 461 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,119 Speaker 6: Certainly, I'm glad you brought up It was very similar 462 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:08,559 to my experience in academia. Large school in a very 463 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,880 out of the way area, small town, giant university in 464 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,160 the middle of it, and there were Chinese enclaves, whole neighborhoods, 465 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,799 you know, new built homes where you know, Chinese billionaires 466 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:24,920 would buy their children fancy houses. I mean, I remember. 467 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,359 It's it's sort of one of those you know, like 468 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:28,920 like the the moment you were talking about with the 469 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,440 Arab where it's sort of this this perfect cinematic moment 470 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,680 burned in your brain, you know, walking through the snow 471 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,000 in a second hand coat, and you know, two Chinese 472 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:41,880 kids pull up in a brand new Lamborghini illegally park 473 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,160 it and walk in. I'm like, wait, wait a minute, 474 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,920 was what's going on here? And fair enough. You know, 475 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,039 maybe if they were you know, every one of them was, 476 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,160 you know, Inn Einstein, a Rhodes scholar. There's something to it, 477 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,400 but you would go to classes and you'd say, wait 478 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,799 a minute, you're all cheat, I mean shamelessly and to 479 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:07,039 your point, right, it is this, this institution, it's sort 480 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,000 of is in much the same way as the kind 481 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,559 of you know, magic dirt you hear spoken about with 482 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,720 the immigration. It's sort of this magical place where the 483 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,440 institution is simply you know, the place with a name, 484 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,960 and you can change the people out, you can change 485 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,559 what it does. But it is almost like a temple. 486 00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:29,559 It is on its own sacred and unquestionable. And also 487 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,960 when we're talking about shooting the messenger, I think that 488 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:38,759 you've you've seen this with the sort of bizarre reaction 489 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,839 to certain figures who are above and beyond anyone else, 490 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:47,480 kind of burned in effigy. Nick Griffin is a great example, 491 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:52,519 but in America it's Alex Jones, who has an audience 492 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,440 but is by no means the largest voice, even early 493 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,400 you know, on you know, supporting President Trump or others. 494 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,759 But he was early enough that he sort of became 495 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,839 a shibbalth He became a symbol of that message, and 496 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,799 so it became his fault that we live under Cheetoh Hitler. 497 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,920 And so he's been slapped with a truly absurd series 498 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,000 of lawsuits. Right, you know, he owes the GDP of 499 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,000 most African nations to any different you know, that collective 500 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:27,559 of other random people, just because again that class hates him. 501 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,000 He is the designated messenger. And he has become and 502 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:36,680 I've not We've seen this over and over again, that 503 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:42,359 become that man becomes conflated with a broader trend. And 504 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,559 you see this as well with President Trump. Not a 505 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:51,160 maga guy per se, but he was a man who 506 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,799 identified certain trends, you know, trends with our American working 507 00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:59,960 class people who were unserved by the kind of eternal 508 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,240 Obama Reich that you know, a large part of our 509 00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:07,119 government seem to be cunning for. But he is the 510 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,559 he becomes the reason for that. He becomes the reason 511 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,799 that there are those questioning in that kind of grand project. 512 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:21,160 I want to return to the grooming gang scandals because 513 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,000 the other trend I've identified from the outside looking in 514 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,559 is it seems as if the level of public discontent 515 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,759 is rapidly rising. We have seen a series of protests 516 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,640 to riots, depending on your view on the coverage there, 517 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,839 but also sort of a gorilla marketing campaign, you know, 518 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000 painting the St. George's flag. And so I'm curious if 519 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,599 you can, can you speak to the kind of attitude 520 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:54,519 on the ground, how are people feeling? And again, this 521 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,039 scandal's been going on for near enough to twelve years now, 522 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,960 and is there a way to resolve it, to put 523 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,799 it to bed, and if so, is that something that 524 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,400 the government is capable of doing, because it seems as 525 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,759 if this has become an albatross around the neck of 526 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:16,920 effectively every government in power. Sorry, Edward, several questions there, 527 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,319 but I'll let you pick whichever wants. 528 00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: I'm here for it. 529 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,359 Speaker 4: In essence, they have, well not only the government, but 530 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,920 the ruling elite that we have. They are being asked 531 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,720 to attack this protected client group, as bertrand Juvenal would 532 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,960 call them, in order to win back some of this 533 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,839 other client group. But the behavior of the one client 534 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,440 group is so utterly unforgivable and the group is so 535 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:51,079 sensitive that they're really worried about what they're to do. 536 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:55,440 There's also the crime aspect of this, the potential uprisings 537 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160 that would come. There was a complaint that was upheld 538 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,039 againainst a police officer in Rotherham was I think it 539 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,559 was a police he was a chief constable. And this 540 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:14,079 guy was talking about a pa k I rape and 541 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:18,760 molestation that's literally what he called it to this little girl. 542 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,679 And he was shouting at her and her father and saying, 543 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:26,039 I quote, because it's Asians. There's nothing we can do 544 00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:30,119 about it. That they're afraid of these people popping off 545 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,480 as they say. And this is a very common trend 546 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,639 that one gets in policing, one gets in academia. It's 547 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,320 best letting sleeping dogs lie, even if the cost of 548 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,559 letting those sleeping dogs lie is seventy seven thousand rapes 549 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:47,000 a year, and god knows how much else. Given that 550 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,559 our police are unstaffed, there isn't much morale and they've 551 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:56,599 been trained to meet and identify diversity quotas over protecting 552 00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,159 children from groups whose tendencies we have known about out 553 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,880 for about I don't know, six hundred, seven hundred years. 554 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:10,519 I mean, this goes back before the seventeenth century where 555 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:18,760 areas of England, Portsmouth, cornwool were raided for barbary trade, 556 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,320 slave barbie, for Barbari trade slaves, sex slaves of one 557 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:29,039 kind or another. This was Moulay Ismail, the Sultan of Morocco, 558 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,639 who was doing this kind of thing. Those trends had 559 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:35,800 been baked into English consciousness in not only that period, 560 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,000 but they were crystallized in the nineteenth century before we 561 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:41,840 decided that we actually had to forget everything at every 562 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,440 single level. Let me think about some of the other 563 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,880 things in terms of the nature of the grim and 564 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,960 gangs and what exactly this kind of stuff entailed. There's 565 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,599 an excellent book by ed Dutton which is specifically looking 566 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,679 at the those psych reasons for this kind of thing, 567 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:06,119 which is called the Silent Rape Academic Epidemic, and it 568 00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:10,880 looks at the situation in Ulu in Finland. And one 569 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,239 of the details that is worth bringing in because I 570 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,880 think it's sufficient to horrify the audience, is there was 571 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,559 a thirty year old woman who was a member of 572 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,559 the Lutheran Church who went home with two refugees. This 573 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,280 would have been in the I think mid two thousands, 574 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,159 and they not only cut her clitterers off, but they 575 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:33,960 then inserted the scissors inside her afterward, and that kind 576 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,679 of thing, backstreet abortions with hooked implements from men like 577 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,400 Mohammad Karah around Oxford in places, in places like the 578 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,480 Nanford guest House, which is one of the most haunted 579 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,840 buildings I'd ever passed. 580 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 5: It is right next to Ithlely. It's all there and 581 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:49,199 it's based. 582 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 4: The amazing thing about doing the research is that one 583 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,880 finds that it's places that he's been familiar with for 584 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,800 his entire life. You flash back in a way and 585 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,320 think about what might have been happening there or then 586 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:05,639 it's kind of like the experience of the UK thing, 587 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960 whereby suddenly all of this stuff becomes real and it's 588 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,840 been hidden by these veils of narrative your whole life. 589 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,360 But it's worse than that, because suddenly there are these 590 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,440 specters and these figures in your past, and it makes 591 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,679 you worry that one was too concerned about anti racist 592 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,679 dogmas to do anything about it, or to go and 593 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,559 help someone. I'll return to the question now that I've 594 00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:33,079 remembered it in terms of how people are feeling. I 595 00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:36,199 was at the United the Kingdom rally in order to 596 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,760 report on it piece of gonzo journalism hence my Twitter tag. 597 00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:46,480 And the working class people who were there. Their opinion 598 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,519 was that the next election isn't just an election, it's 599 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:53,800 a referendum on liberal democracy itself. 600 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 5: And if we have another. 601 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 4: Situation where Axel Rudy Cabana or someone like him, one 602 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,440 of his fans, there are plenty of these people that 603 00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,599 celebrate the murder of those three girls and the stabbing 604 00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:09,239 of thirteen others just on Twitter. You can find them 605 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920 once in a while. If we have another one of those, 606 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,119 if we have another imitator, they are not going to 607 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,800 wait around for police. These people told me we're going 608 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,360 to kill him. We're going to hang this person. So 609 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,400 either the government gets its shit together and does the 610 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,599 kind of stuff that juvenile recommends in on Power, whereby 611 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:34,880 a medieval monarch permits the peasants to you know, go 612 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,719 and hang one of their persecutors, or just you know, 613 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,199 takes the guy's head off himself, or just throws them, 614 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:47,280 you know, mass remigrates them to wherever. I'm concerned about 615 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,559 what's coming. I do think the civil war narrative is overblown. 616 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:55,199 But the idea that we're heading to a mafia future, 617 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,719 that the very interesting Mike Maxwell talks about that seems 618 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,639 ever increasingly likely. The other thing is this is a 619 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,119 very class divided issue. So if you're insulated, if you're 620 00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,239 in one of the vanishingly whiter towns, as I call it, 621 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,559 chances are you don't really know what everyone's complaining about. 622 00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:22,480 You have an entirely different information stream. You regard yourself 623 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:26,360 as one of these guardian head types who is an 624 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,440 extension of a newspaper and doesn't want to go on 625 00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:34,119 X because of disinformation. And as a result, when these 626 00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,039 people are talking about the decline of the country, either 627 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,119 they're thinking about very difficult historical processes man or they're 628 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,039 thinking taxes are too high. Guess I've got to go 629 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,239 to New York now, just move out with the family. 630 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,119 They have no commitment to the culture besides the institutions 631 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,400 the culture has produced, and if things get bad, and oh, 632 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,280 we'll just go to Spain, leaving behind the peace. Who 633 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,400 don't have that as an option. So it's kind of 634 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:10,559 like everyone has retroactively tacitly calculated the risk that what 635 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,440 is coming will post to them, and their response is 636 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,760 to some rendition of that. So yes, that's basically my 637 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,199 answer as sprawling as it was. 638 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 6: Look, I mean, I asked you ten questions in twenty seconds, 639 00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,239 and I think you did an annimal job of they answering. 640 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,239 I agree with you on the Civil war narrative. To me, 641 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:42,039 as presented, it seems overstated. But and again, this is 642 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,559 metered through the Internet, so there are any number of 643 00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:49,079 distortions that that can produce. But at the same time, 644 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:55,559 that reaction you're speaking about doesn't surprise me because at base, 645 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,320 what is the social contract? It's basically a protection racket 646 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,159 with extra steps. Right, I'm under your authority in exchange 647 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,360 for X, Y and Z, and the social contract in 648 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,440 your country and ours as well, but even more dramatically 649 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:20,480 is completely and totally shattered, completely and totally broken. You know, 650 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,039 this is what you see in the kind of one 651 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,519 two punch of that you know, Nicked thirty ands meme 652 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,840 and oh what is the source that that game that 653 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,679 came out, the interactive one that produced Amelia. They've taken 654 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,880 it down now, but I thinks but point is right. 655 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,039 It's it's now somewhat difficult to find that this character 656 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:46,639 sort of lives on Immortal. But you see the two 657 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,599 sides of that rat one this kind of crushing despair 658 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:57,000 on the economic front right with you, youth, unemployment, the 659 00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:00,559 price of housing, the difficulty of you know, advancing yourself. 660 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480 And when I look at previous generations in my own 661 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:08,159 nation who had access to unprecedented amount of economic and 662 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:13,599 social opportunity, you can sort of understand why previous version 663 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,400 of these sort of scandals on issues like immigration, on 664 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,840 issues like cultural degradation didn't come to the fore because 665 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,840 you know, as you've said, with the you know, the 666 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,599 vanishingly few white towns, it seems very distant. But as 667 00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,639 those problems increase, they become much more difficult to deny, 668 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,480 and the response from power, the response from the state, 669 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:40,599 is this sort of hectoring school principle. The problem is 670 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,000 that you've noticed the problem is that you've said something 671 00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,480 about it. The problem is that you have found others 672 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,760 who share those beliefs. It is and I will say 673 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,239 this in a way that my counsel will approve. That 674 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,840 conclusion of well, then I will do X y Z 675 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:03,039 myself is a logical, if illegal one. And in other 676 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,400 countries that are further along that descent into a mafia state, 677 00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,960 I think of South Africa, that is quite common, even 678 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:16,679 from the African population if you follow it all accounts 679 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,079 like my buddy in Canaan Reaper are others who run 680 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,039 private security companies in South Africa. One of the things 681 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:26,760 you will see, not for the weak apart, is community 682 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,159 justice that the police cannot be depended on. And so 683 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,760 if someone is caught stealing, they beat him, stuff him 684 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,079 in a tire and set him on fire. Not a 685 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,599 good thing. You don't want to live in a society 686 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,519 that does that for any number of reasons. But on 687 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,960 a certain level it is rational. We cannot depend on 688 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,960 the apparatus of the state. There is no monopoly on violence. 689 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,000 There are crimes going unredressed, and so regardless of if 690 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,639 that is a morally good thing to do, set that 691 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,360 issue aside. It is a rational human calculation when faced 692 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,719 with this sort of predation. And so I think that 693 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,800 that reaction is not surprising to me. And I think 694 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,719 that what I find just baffling coming from your government 695 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,719 is it seems as if they believe they can just 696 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,280 keep their heads down and this will all go away. 697 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,719 And maybe in twenty fifteen you could lie to yourself 698 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,320 and say that, but this issue is stuck around forever, 699 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,840 and the level of violence seems to be increasing. I 700 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,119 don't know, Edwards sort of a rant from me there, 701 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:43,599 But to me, the most stunning thing about this is 702 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:51,679 the just the failure to recognize the very real crisis 703 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,159 sort of building from within, the kind of I guess 704 00:44:56,199 --> 00:45:00,119 you would say, the kind of traditional power apparatus of 705 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:00,639 of Britain. 706 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 4: Well, they want to be dead before the real suffering comes. 707 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:08,199 I mean, how many people come out with a platform 708 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,639 saying we have I think it's a fifty percent abortion rate, 709 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,280 half of all births, and we know whose births we 710 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,639 have what a third of children as a consequence of 711 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,679 phone addiction and COVID nineteen being basically unable to read. 712 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,440 The average age of an engineer in this country is 713 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,639 in the mid fifties. The boomers have not transferred their skills. 714 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,480 The infrastructure is going to start collapsing one way or another, 715 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,679 and standards are going to get demonstrably lower. We're also 716 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,960 fatter than we've ever been before. We're more insane than 717 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,159 we've ever been before. We're all dependent on, you know, 718 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,440 various courses of substances of some kind or another. This 719 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,440 is sort of what does away with the Civil War 720 00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:56,199 theory in certain people's minds. 721 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,679 Speaker 5: But we're just too useless. 722 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 4: I mean, we're like the fat grub humans, the felaheen, 723 00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:06,599 the guelo, which is a lovely Chinese anti white insult, 724 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:09,760 which means something like white monster. So who knows, maybe 725 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,400 the Chinese version of white monster. It just says guelo 726 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:18,239 on it, meaning you piece something along those lines. The 727 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,599 thing that prevents me from being so anti civil war, 728 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,320 unwilling to consider it is the fact that now it's 729 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,079 not just working class people who say Muslamic ray guns 730 00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:35,119 and are totally justified in doing that. It is upper 731 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:39,239 middle class people. It's people basically. I don't know about 732 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,079 your background, but I would say our background who know 733 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,519 that the way that the state functions ultimately is to 734 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,719 move resources from the productive class who pay all the taxes, 735 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,079 who in Britain. 736 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,639 Speaker 5: Are the native population. 737 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,199 Speaker 4: They are the only group, as released recently by the Ons, 738 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,440 who actually make net tax contributions be given to another grip. 739 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,400 So why exactly should I invest my time and energy 740 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,119 in keeping the system around in any way at all? 741 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,480 I mean, there is no logical explanation for that. There 742 00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:17,000 are just these ideological mirrors and shields and narrative curtains 743 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,960 that are swept back and forth in order to hind 744 00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:23,079 strange and odd objects that one is not meant to see. 745 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:24,719 It's like living in a David Lynch film. To a 746 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,840 certain extent, Thomas Hobbs calls the social contract, well at 747 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,000 least what you call the social contract, the protection and 748 00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:39,679 obedience clause. And he's mainly talking about a post feudal society, 749 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,440 but he's using feudal examples. In his mindset is partly feudal, 750 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,280 but we won't get into that. In essence, if you 751 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,440 want the peasants to pay taxes or be okay with you, 752 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:57,159 as the feudal lord extracting either food resources, maybe gold 753 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,000 or something like that from them, you have to look 754 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:03,480 after them, and you enter a feud. If say, someone 755 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,880 from a different feudal structure comes into your feudal structure 756 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,000 and let's say murders a young girl or sets fire 757 00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:11,840 to a barn or something like that, you are in 758 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,000 direct conflict with this other feudal leader, and that is 759 00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:22,039 the precondition for you having any power whatsoever. I mean, 760 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,599 what are people meant to do in this situation? The 761 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,079 protection and obedience clause is completely collapsed and we are 762 00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,360 now governed by what someone like evil would call a 763 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,519 civitas diabolus or a city of the devil. Just to 764 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,400 bring this back to my main point, if the people 765 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,079 who went to the United the Kingdom march are the feet, 766 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,599 the sort of foot soldiers for this potential new faction, 767 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,639 and are really really angry and what to be led 768 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,320 the arms the kashatria, to use the old Vedic terms, 769 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,079 the arms are the upper esh management in Reform UK. 770 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,719 And these guys I met when I went to the 771 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,079 Reform conference. They're usually very successful. They don't get jobs 772 00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:12,039 in you know, the system. They don't get jobs in 773 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,960 the cathedral, in academia, in news or anything like that, 774 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,920 any of the offshoots. They tend to be farmers. They 775 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,880 tend to run their own businesses, and they're all very 776 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,400 successful and quite smart. It's people like Rupert Low in essence. 777 00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:29,960 These guys, they already have their grandchildren, they have everything 778 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,960 taken care of. They're usually between the age of forty 779 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,960 five and seventy two, and not only are they angry 780 00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:42,800 and competent, but they have the skills to run organizations 781 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:49,320 well that aren't just you know pusillanimous, biolininist pseudo operations 782 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,880 that actually work with corruption built into them. These guys 783 00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,519 know how to cut the Gordian knot of any sort 784 00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,400 of political organization and then make it run well and 785 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,519 get rich, get rid of all the dead wood, all 786 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:09,320 the sort of useless writers and grafters of some kind 787 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,960 or another. Well not grafters, but you know basic you know, 788 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,760 social parasites of some kind or another. So you have 789 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,280 those people who are the feet, you have these people 790 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,599 who are the arms. What's now happening is you're getting 791 00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,119 the heat. It's a political breach birth. It's like a 792 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,440 baby being born feet first and then coming out head last. 793 00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:29,199 And those are people who are very well educated who 794 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,880 go to major universities and realize, I mean, my friend 795 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,159 Harrison Piers is probably the best living example of this 796 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,239 kind of thing, that it's better to just go in 797 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,519 with this new thing that's coming out than by any 798 00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,760 of the ridiculous and stupid pieties that are associated with 799 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,239 the system as such. So this is a vanguard that 800 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,719 is emerging because of forces that are latent within the 801 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,079 system itself and what mass immigration has done, and there 802 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:03,320 is no way of averting this especially since if I 803 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,800 don't know that the government wants to bribe me to 804 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,599 be on their side, they are insulting all of these 805 00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,039 client groups that they have recruited to be on site, 806 00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,199 who have been told that their entire lives that I 807 00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:16,559 am the enemy and anything that I do is to 808 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,000 their detriment and we can't possibly get along. So we'll 809 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,679 have to see if this happens democratically, because I basically 810 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,760 regard Restore Britain as this intellectual head that is going 811 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:34,360 to be the cultural vector that combines the foot soldiers, 812 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,239 the arms and so on into this, you know, sort 813 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,400 of bionicle of one description or another that then bravely 814 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,880 fights the enormous Liniathan of the state. There's no way 815 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,079 of undoing this. This is built into the system. This 816 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,639 is built into the way that things are. 817 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 3: Well. 818 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 6: And one of the things that I've been speaking about 819 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,360 on this program for quite some time is that the 820 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:01,719 patronage network of both our government and Europe has poisoned 821 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,960 their own well. This is sort of the inverse or 822 00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,280 sort of the negative or that savage article you mentioned earlier, 823 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,480 where because you have artificially kept out two and a 824 00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:18,360 half generations of competent young men from the system as 825 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,880 it stands, you have a immense amount of people who 826 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:28,000 are capable, competent, and underperforming right not necessarily in all 827 00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,440 cases due to their own actions, who feel as if, well, 828 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,800 even if I wanted to take that deal, even if 829 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,920 I wanted to put my head down, you know, join 830 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,039 Corporate America or join the the d n C, whatever, 831 00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:45,519 I will simply not be allowed to. Chuds need not 832 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,559 apply if you will. And so it's created this this 833 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:54,760 sort of untapped human resource of people who and as 834 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,960 you go through kind of concurrent scandals, whether it is 835 00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:02,559 you know, the pandemic, whether it is our relation to 836 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,360 a certain Middle Eastern democracy, or in this this Epstein 837 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,800 scandal as well, who realized more and more like I 838 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,760 can a deal cannot be made, I cannot work within 839 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,199 this system. And it is sort of this interesting system 840 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,800 where this interesting situation, rather where the the same patronage 841 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,800 network which made the left so powerful over the last 842 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:33,400 one hundred years became cancerous. It became instead of being 843 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,519 a drag on the system, you know, where you're you're 844 00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:40,239 siphoning off surplus, to affecting the actual functionality of the 845 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,159 machine of you know the state itself. And again I 846 00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:49,000 think that this is what's and don't get me wrong, 847 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,679 what Savage is describing what others have pointed out, you know, 848 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,039 Bloomberg talking about you know, where corporate America is pulling 849 00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,719 their new hires from. That is very much a problem. 850 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,760 It's a bad thing, and I have a great deal 851 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,199 of sympathy for my friends and peers myself, to be 852 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,800 perfectly honest, you know, who were forced to pursue alternative 853 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,679 careers because of it. But at the same time, from 854 00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,280 the perspective of the movement, whatever you want to constitute 855 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,679 that is is a perspective of a dissident. You couldn't 856 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,000 ask for a better moment. Your enemies have voluntarily decided 857 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,800 to stand you know, to to you know, stand up, 858 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,039 you know, their operation without capable, competent people, they do 859 00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:34,320 not want them. And fair enough, and I thought that 860 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,639 your analogy of the breach birth excuse me was particularly 861 00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:44,519 apt because many of the the early adopters, those first 862 00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,480 on the scene, the guys who got burnt, like Griffin 863 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,559 and others. Even if he is you know, upper middle class, 864 00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:55,840 I believe he went to university, but that organization was 865 00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:01,480 very much working class coded, you know that term, and 866 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,800 clearly it was not able on its own, you know, 867 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,480 you could look at the Tea Party or Mega the 868 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:09,559 other kind of you know, right wing movements in America 869 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,880 were not able to actually affect a change. But it 870 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,239 seems as if you were correct, we were witnessing, in 871 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,239 different forms on both sides of the Atlantic, the birth 872 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,679 of a political vanguard, which is incredibly exciting and one 873 00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,559 of the things and I will not name any of 874 00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:28,960 my sources on this, so trust me, but one of 875 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,199 the things that I've found very interesting is the number 876 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,800 of people I have met through right wing politics who 877 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,599 are in either that sort of the arm category, right 878 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,760 the coulocks, you know, the capable men who aren't necessarily 879 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,440 you know, fortune ten CEOs, but are capable leaders. I 880 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,079 am meeting more and more of those, you know. I 881 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,480 think at the last OGC event, you know, in my 882 00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:57,440 small town, had probably fifty guys there, and of them, 883 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,079 you know, one of the moones, a large contractor, you know, 884 00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,280 he's got a few dozen employees. It's like, Okay, that's 885 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,880 interesting to me because you have something to lose, right, 886 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,119 You're not just one of you know, one of us, right, 887 00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:13,719 you know, a young man with you know a little 888 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,280 more latitude about what you can you can risk too 889 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,880 much time. And I think that, yeah, yeah, yes, I 890 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,119 think that that is a very encouraging sign because you're 891 00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:26,760 starting to see the birth more and more of a 892 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,639 fully formed political animal instead of you know, just a 893 00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,960 pair of feet sort of stomping around. But Edward, this 894 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,559 has been fascinating. I'll have to come on or I'll 895 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:39,480 have to have you on again soon. And actually, while 896 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:41,760 we were talking, I bought your book, so I may 897 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,679 have you on for a book review. But uh, other 898 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,320 than that, your your novel. Where where can people find you? 899 00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,199 Speaker 4: I'm Anglican Gonzo on Twitter. I have some articles for 900 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,199 courage media as well. That's pretty much it. When someone 901 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,000 shows up at my home address, so I'll know where 902 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,119 they actually can find me. 903 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:01,320 Speaker 5: Fair enough. 904 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,679 Speaker 6: Never had that happen. I've had people threatened. But we'll see. Anyway, Edward, 905 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:14,239 this was Edward, this was fascinating, a bit grim, but 906 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,719 nonetheless very comprehensive. I highly recommend people check you out 907 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,239 on social media, as far as my stuff, The Jay 908 00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:23,920 Burton Show, Apple, Spotify YouTube. If you're listening to this, 909 00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:27,760 Sorry about the last episode, my editing software decided to 910 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,280 loop the first twenty minutes of the last episode twice. 911 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,519 Sorry about that. I've fixed it, so if you're wondering, 912 00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,239 the episode with Andrew Edwards is good now. My own 913 00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:41,880 incompetence aside. If you've decided for some reason to support 914 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,079 me after that, staff who, you can throw me a 915 00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:48,199 few bucks on Patreon, Substack or gum road. You're chilling 916 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,039 during my show, Edward, go on and you get the 917 00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,440 episodes early in ad free again. Man, this was a 918 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,519 ton of fun. I appreciate it. 919 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,039 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It's been great. 920 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 6: Never went home. Keep your height up, good night. 921 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,719 Speaker 3: Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. 922 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,559 It doesn't have to be. 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