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again and welcome in the past. Breakup, King Uh, the
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our station that we have on we got Brian Logan
on the line below.
Speaker 4: How we doing, brother, You're funny man. I don't be careful,
be careful with the compliments. I don't need no more.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll stick to the prayers. Did no compliments. I'll
stick to the prayers. Did Uh. But look, look I
don't I don't. I don't say things that aren't true.
I do say things that can be a little bit
stretching the truth. But I don't just straight up lie.
The Lord says that don't lie. So I try not to.
And if I make mistakes, then I do try to
repent on Sundays, try to do my best. Below, we
were reading the article earlier. I don't know if you
saw this, but there was some controversy with a targeting
called college football targeting rule could be headed for an overhaul,
but it's not going away. Obviously, one of the players
for Miami had to sit out. The coach called it
unjust because you had to sit out the first two
quarters of the game. Now, for the fans and the
people listening don't understand, targeting is when you use the
crown of the helmet to the head or the neck
area of a defenseless player, and if you do so,
you are then kicked out of the game. You can
still stay on the sidelines. If it happens in the
first half of the game, you're done for the rest
of that game. You could play in the next game,
but if it happens in the second half, you didn't
have to set out the first half of the game.
That happened for one Miami player. Miami's coach called it
unjust below. Do you believe it's unjust to have someone
sit out of a National championship game for this rule?
Speaker 4: I think it's unjust to have any player sit out
of any game, regardless of the magnitude. It's unfortunate, though,
that it happened in the National championship game, to have
one of your best players well out and all year,
all through the playoffs, and then the big game that
he's needed most, he can't play like that's that's crazy.
It's crazy, man. I don't like it. I don't like
the rule. I never did. I understand player safety and
and whatnot, but I don't know if it's I don't
think it's one hundred percent objective when it comes to
the judgment, right, because if you look at multiple targeting
calls across you know, like high school, college, NFL, well,
NFL does they don't even have it, right, I mean
they have personal thousands, they don't have it objected. Yeah,
so if the NFL doesn't have it, come on now,
like and and those are grown, grown men and everybody's
probably three four inches taller and twenty to forty pounds
heavier per position and run you know, way faster, so
there's there's way bigger collisions there and they don't even
they don't even have that. So, uh, I just I
think I think it's not as black and white. You
look at a couple of them, and there's times where
we're like, that's targeting. There's other times where we're like,
that's not targeting. So it's I think it's I think
to have a rule that has a little bit of
gray area. It's it's it's hard. It's hard to make
a rule like that, especially a rule that can take
out one of your most impactful players, you know, in
any given game throughout the season. I think I think
a solution should be if they want it, if they
want to enforce it in some type of way. Maybe
maybe do it like basketball, right, like your first your
first tech you get it, and then your second tech
you out right. Maybe something like that. If you have
two targetings per game, maybe you're out for the rest
of the game, but you don't get suspended for the
next game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you bring up a good point. I mean, just
to reset for the people, for the fans. Just to reminder,
Miami cornerback Xavier Lucas spent the first two quarters styline
is part of a targeting valley committed in the second
half of the previous game the semifinal went over ole
miss that cost Miami fifteen fifteen yards and penalties. Lucas
was disqualified and that carried over and he had to
miss the first half of the National Championship out against Indiana.
Still crazy to think that that happened all.
Speaker 2: Go this week?
Speaker 4: How many and how many yards? How many how many
how many passing yards the Indiana's quarterback have in the
second half? Not a lot, that's my pointy. I mean,
I don't know their strutcher. I don't follow Miami football
like that, but anybody that knows football understands that when
you play, yeah it's one on one individually, and yeah
it is you know, a team effort, especially on defense,
you know, doing your one eleventh or whatnot. But people
really don't understand the unit within that those eleven players, right, Like,
you're a defensive line, that's one unit. Linebackers that's one unit.
DB's that's one unit. You can even go step further
and say the safety in the corner that's another unit
within a unit. And so when one person is out
of sync, it all messes up. He's starting for a reason.
So you're gonna have somebody that comes in that's a
second string player. I'm not saying he's not good, but
he not starting for a reason. Another guy is. And
so when you talk about units and being you know,
in sync right in unison with each other, you remove
one of those players and man pieces like things start
to crumble. And you saw when he came back. I'm
not saying he had a direct impact. I'm just saying
that it could be a correlation, you know, when it
comes of first half yards and second half passing yards,
you know with Indiana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think there's a correlation. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think back to the BYU Arizona game, right, I
know that there was a delay with weather, but Keanu
Tonavasa going out of the game, and then they call
what should have been just roughing the passer with Isaiah
Glasherd called targeting and all of that, mumble trumple We're
not gonna get into. But Keanu being out of the game,
you saw it. Wasonna started to run the ball a
little bit more. They were able to run play action
a little bit better and throw the football. And I
think that you can't tell me that that didn't impact
BYU's chances. Not saying that they would have run away
with the game, but would it looked to be like
another blowout below ended up being an overtime game because
double overtime win for BYU because Keanu couldn't play the
rest of the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And the thing with like being being in
a unit, right, like having a family for an example,
but you know your wife, she knows you. You know
your kids, they know you, vice versa. Like like with
my brothers. Like my brothers, I'd be like, ooh, don't oh,
don't put that in that track. Don't put that you
put it, put that in in the recycling bind don't
put that in the tracks in that that's gonnahoop you
know what I'm saying, Like, like we understand each other's
tendencies and the same thing, especially on defensive line. Right,
Like I know what the guys the right and the
left of me is going to do in certain situations,
like in like live game, in the play during the
snap of the ball, if something happens that's unexpected, I
know this guy well enough to know that he's gonna
do this type of move, So I need to make
up for that move. I know he's gonna make based
off of his tendencies. So you bring somebody new in
and you got to think about it. First team players
they take first team reps with other first team players.
You know what I'm saying, Like, there's no there. You
have your first team players, second team, second stream, third
on one those those whatever team you're on, there may
be a couple occasionally some rotations here and there, but
usually when you do rotate, like BYU rotates a lot,
usually it's the whole line that goes out, right, it
may not just be just one guy. So yeah, you can.
You can definitely see how one player and impact the
player can can really change the outcome of a game
when they're not being when they're not present.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely can't. And you see it. So, I mean,
we had we discussed this. I get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3: Are you in favor of Okay, they don't get kicked
out of the game, they're treated like the NFL and
then they go back and review tape and then find
players for because that's what they do in the NFL.
And I think that to me, us we feel that's
the right way to go. Keep players in these games
and then treat them as adults because now that's what
you're preparing them for and they're making money, like you know,
the next level.
Speaker 2: Anyway, give them a fine for.
Speaker 3: It, get a reasonable price of that, and then you
keep it pushing because I believe it's it's gonna be
catastrophic for these games to continue to have these moments
where big time players are not playing your big time games.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see that as a college football
fan anymore.
Speaker 4: Where's the money going to?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: I haven't thought that far that see, but that's why
that's why you're here. But all I know is that
I don't know where the money's going. What are your thoughts?
Where should the money go to? That was just a
good idea of like key players in games, because you know,
there has to be some accountability right of the rule,
and that's what they do in the NFL. You know,
maybe you go back and do this. It depends of
like you said, second one and then you're gone, you know,
like on sportsmanlike conduct. But like do they not still
go back and find people or is it internally with
the team. I don't know what the answer is, but
I think having that conversation can lead to somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think accountability for sure. You know, you can't
just you can't just and and to be honest with you,
you know, just despite what it looks like on paper, targeting,
even though it's to protect uh, you know, defensive player,
it's really it's really for the for the defender, you
know what I mean? Yeah, like the defender when you
when you when you put your crime at the head down, right,
like you have, your chances of getting paralyzed jurassically go up.
And it's this is like this is science, right because
now you're putting your sign in jeopardy. Uh, A defensive
player like, yeah, he can, he can get knocked out,
but he gonna wake up and he may have to
take a couple of weeks all for concussion or whatever,
but eventually he's going to be back. Uh. You not
if you if you have a wrong hit with your
head down and and your spinal cord is compressed and
you end up not being able to walk for the
rest of your life. Like that's a that's a you know,
And I'm not trying to take away from you know,
not protecting offensive players, but at the end of the day,
it's it's truly for the defensive player. So I do
I do agree with the accountability and being stafe. I would,
And so in the NFL allegedly fines go to charities, right,
I don't believe that I'm just saying allegedly to protect
you know, you and the program, and I know being
is not here, So I know how you think it
was about how he feels about me when I when
I talk about my conspiracy in the Earth's Flat and
all that I've just signed, I've just had to be
politically correct. And so I think I think there could
be a way where people that are giving out those
fines are doing it more to increase their pockets. So
I think we got to be mindful of that, right
I do. I do think that anytime you hurt anybody's pockets,
like actions are going to dractically change. That's just simple.
Speaker 1: This is a tax.
Speaker 4: So I do. I do like that approach. I do
like that. I'd have to ponder about it a little
bit more to see, uh, you know, positive like like
the pros and the cons. But I do know the
any time you touch somebody's wallet, and that is based
off their behavior, behavior changes overnight. So it could be
a good solution period.
Speaker 3: And that's the first time Bilo is love one of
my ideas where I thought like, nah, that ain't it
ron So hopefully that is. But that's why I went
That's why we went that way, because when you start
touching people dollars, people shave up real quick.
Speaker 2: I've seen it in all aspects of everything.
Speaker 3: People don't like the money touch, and people don't like
the women, they food, they family, certain things people don't like,
and money is definitely one of them.
Speaker 2: Missing that top five.
Speaker 3: I think for sure we got Brian Logan on the
line and they keeping up with the Cougar segment discussing
off season college football news. One of the news on
the news and notes. I don't know if we asked
you your thoughts on it. Tomorrow, Warren Official was on
the board with with a corner position. Mississippi State transfer
Javin Williams is now signed with the Cougars the six
for two.
Speaker 2: He's on campus.
Speaker 3: By the way, people that know the six to two
hundred and ninety pounds corner boost BYU's roster. We know
that Marie Bomba is declared for the draft. He's gone,
he takes that scholarship. They're still looking for one more
guy because Tavion Beezy's at USF for that Nickel spot
your thoughts below on Javin Williams and coming. I like
the six for two. I like one hundred ninety pounds
and bringing that. What are your thoughts on this addition
to the cornerback room for b Yu.
Speaker 4: Yes, I saw that, and I saw the you know,
the height and the weight, and I think five or
seven years ago, I would have been a static and
you know, I would have I would have been jumping
up and down and and uh man, I thought that
it was manna from heaven. You know that that that
guy you know dropped down. But it's normal now, man
like like like these are prototypical you know b Yu
corners now and it's great to see and it's great
to to to see that a guy like that that
you know is coming from the sec to have interest, right.
I think that's the next step is. And I'm not
sure what his religion is. I'm gonna assume he's a
double minority and he's correct, yes, yeah, so so I
think that's the next step, right, is to get more
double minorities to to to come to provo and have
the interest to in provo and kind of remove any
type of uh, you know, I don't want to say biased,
but you know, you hear a lot of stuff when
you're on the recruiting trail and people find out that
you're getting recruited by b Yu, that pitch turns to
all the negative things that provo you know has to
offer and instead of the pitch continuing to talk about
how great their school is and why you should you know,
attend there. And so I think, I think the more
that we can have, especially you know, in those positions,
is a great thing. I haven't looked at his film.
What's what concerns me about the transfer portal era is
that there's a reason why the majority of reason why
kids transfer is because they're not playing. Right? Did you
would you agree with that statement?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Not even a close one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Right right now. Obviously there's other situations where I'm transferring
because I'm going to make more money. So my next
question is, because I haven't done research on them, is
was he a starter at Mississippi State?
Speaker 2: You was not?
Speaker 4: Okay, So now we're getting beginning back to my concern.
If you weren't starting at Mississippi State, that could tell
us you weren't good enough right to play to start.
And I'm not I'm not I'm not knocking him out.
I'm just this is a general, a general statement that
I'm making because he could have had all Americans in
front of him, right, he could have a four year
start like we don't know. Yeah, yeah, we don't know that.
We don't know all those things. And so my my,
I don't want to say concern so much. It's just
that if you were number two here, what makes you
think you're going to be a number one here? Is
it opportunity? Again, I don't know this, and there is
in a situation what I've seen with b YU, specifically
in the transfer portal. You guys can tell me if
I'm right or wrong. The kids that are coming up
from the sts, you know schools or even the lower
division schools like a Utah State and the transfer to
b y U, those those kids tend the ball out.
Those are the kids that tend to really make an
impact on the roster in my experience, Like you guys
notice stuff way more than me, you know. Yeah, and
my analyst on b y U TV and it's my job.
I don't even know the starters tell you that. Right now,
I'm not gonna liket to you to second string guy
come in. I'm looking at the breakfast street like who's
that guy? I got? I have drem on my side, Like, damn,
who's that he's? Like, Bro, you should you should be
known this sa I'm like, got no, don't tell anybody, guys,
we can tell me who he is. You know what
I'm saying. My point like, you guys know this stuff
more than me. But from my experience, when you get
a guy from a cow or from an Oregon or
from a Stanford, they tend to not really pan out.
And I think that goes back to my first point
I was making that you know, if it's if it's
a big time school, that that that that trans a
guy from big time school that transfers over to b YU,
I don't what, like, have you really seen the true impact?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's few and far between.
Speaker 3: The guys that are coming or the high level guys
are the ones that you know, it had to work
really hard, like the Jay Robbs, like the Jack Kellies,
because now and those are the anomalies, right because I'm
with you, we're on the same way.
Speaker 2: Anomalies.
Speaker 3: Now, the guys that they're bringing, the kdu luaves, guys
that have already been playing at their former school, Guys
that are already making an impact. These guys you know
Jay Clifton too, you know, like you just it's these
other guys that have been taking repers but maybe that
does bode well because would you agree and would you
say more it was like the third cornerback and may
be this guy coming to BYU could be the you know,
the third cornerback in that role and be okay with
that because obviously we know that it was Trey and
Schmav it was Evan. But then maybe when Trey got
you know, dinged up a little bit or was out,
they did go with Maury Morri's playing well, maybe him
being the third option that b o he plays a
little bit more. Maybe they don't go to Nickel package
as much. Do you maybe do you think he could
fit in that third role because he's not taking time
away from the other two.
Speaker 2: I'm in agreeance with you there.
Speaker 4: You know, if Coach g was still here and uh,
Coach Hill, I would I would, I would say you're
onto something. Uh in regards to hey, you know we
you know Maury's gone. We're not looking for a starter.
We're looking for somebody that I can come in and
be a relief pitcher for us when we need it. Right,
So maybe we don't like we don't have to shoot
for these five star, four star impact type of players,
but we need we need a player that can do
just enough, like a backup quarterback in the NFL, right,
you Like, there's literally a skill set and there's certain
intangibles that NFL scouts and teams and GMS they look
at like, oh, yeah, he's a he's a great backup
quarterback for ten years. He's not a starter. But we
know if he's on our team and our quarterback goes
down for two three games, he could he can he
could he could or four games he could split those.
He can win uswo he.
Speaker 2: Could lose to that.
Speaker 4: They were fine with that, and and so if they
were still so still here, I would I would agree
with that. I would. You know, understand that we don't
know now right, Yeah, yeah, we don't. We don't. We don't.
We don't know like that, that that three corner Like
when Coach g was here these last couple of years,
that was something that we knew as fans. The average
fan knew that Bluyu plays three corners regardless who they are,
who they are, where they where they're at in you know,
uh uh they're uh they're great. Right. It was a
kind of a three cornerback system. You knew. It's like receivers. Right,
I may not start, but I'm in the rotation, so
I'm pretty much a starter. Uh. But yeah, we don't
you know, we don't. We don't know how how that philosophy,
and you know, with with with the new defensive coordinator,
and I shouldn't say that I should respect him more.
He came back, my homie. Yeah, we we just don't.
We just don't know. So, I mean, obviously, I think
the basics and the foundation of the intangibles are there. Height, weight, speed, athleticism.
Now let's see if he can put it the coaches
that can help me put the mental side together, and
see if he can learn the defense as quick as
possible so he can't get on the field, uh and
make an impact.
Speaker 3: Valid points from Brian Brian logan, Uh from you don't know.
With the Mario Warren, I haven't seen him play call
at this high of a level. He has play called
it boys, stayed in my west. But like you when
I mean play call me coaching guys. Well, we'll see,
but this is the first one off the board. We'll
see what he does. There needs to be a great speriod,
but you bring up good points be low before I
let you go, h outside of prayers, what's the best
way we could support you what you're doing?
Speaker 2: How you do it? Brother?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Just prayers, Hey, prayers, man, Just prayer for me. Everybody.
Just put me in your top five prayer list. You know,
if you don't got room tonight, you know, I just
ask that you find a day tomorrow or or you know,
I don't want to I don't want to hold you
for you know, going into the weekend. So if you
can't get tomorrow, Monday is great as well. I definitely
would appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Hey, prayers is the way to go.
Speaker 3: That's how we get better and that's how we can
save society is more prayers, more love for sure.
Speaker 4: Below.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you your day, brother, and we'll catch up with
you again soon.
Speaker 4: All right, man, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. You heard Brian Logan.
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