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<v Speaker 1>Hey thirty nine, Happy Monday too, you try to make

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<v Speaker 1>been impacted without further ado. I'm pleased to welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the fifty five KOSE Morning show, JT. Towns and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a freelance writer, armchair detective, self described lifelong resident Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Author of the two thousand and nine regional bestseller Queen

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<v Speaker 1>City Gothic. He was on the program to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that as well as twenty fourteenth Queen City Notorious. His

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<v Speaker 1>work appear in the Cincinnai Enquirer. Since a magazine, World Magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>Crime Traveler and Clues, he has presented over three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>programs here in the Greater Cincinnati area. Is part of

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<v Speaker 1>his true crime lecture series, including Jack The Ripper, Lizzie Borden,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Lindenburg Kidnapping. Also teaches his Cincinnati True Crime

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<v Speaker 1>Detective class for the University of Cincinnati Communiversity Division. Welcome back, JT. Towns,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going to be doing an empower use summon

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<v Speaker 1>are this Thursday beginning at seven pm on the assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Abraham Lincoln? Could you have it back on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Show, Brian, Always a pleasure to be on with you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I will be doing the Lincoln assassination Thursday at seven o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he was killed by John Wilkes booth Ford Theater.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know the jokes that have come out over

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<v Speaker 1>the here other than the play. You know, how was

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<v Speaker 1>the play? But I've I never looked into this. It

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<v Speaker 1>isn't I mean, I've never viewed it, the same as

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<v Speaker 1>the Kennedy assassination. We help all these conspiracy theorists. I

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<v Speaker 1>just figured this is some disgruntled, like terrorist fanatic who

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<v Speaker 1>is angry that the slavery was over in the North

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Civil War.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's more than that. I understand.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a bad it's not a bad description of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of similarities to the Kennedy assassination. But the

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<v Speaker 4>characters in the Lincoln assassination are fascinating. You've got John Wilkes.

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<v Speaker 4>Booth stands alone among presidential assassins or attempt or. He

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<v Speaker 4>was not some pathetic loser like Lee Harvey Oswald and

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<v Speaker 4>all the rest of them. This guy was an alpha male,

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<v Speaker 4>a list actor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the most handsome man in America. He was called

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<v Speaker 4>really yes. And here is a case where we actually

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<v Speaker 4>had a conspiracy. Booth not unlike Lee Harvey Oswald was

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<v Speaker 4>killed before he could go to trial, but eight people

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<v Speaker 4>were convicted in the trial of the century. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a military tribunal. Four of those people were executed, including

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<v Speaker 4>Mary Surrat, the first woman ever executed by the federal government,

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<v Speaker 4>and four of them have served long prison terms. So

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<v Speaker 4>we had an actual conspiracy here, just not a very

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<v Speaker 4>good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, have you reviewed the evidence that led to their convictions,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, in the aftermath is something as profound

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<v Speaker 1>as the assassination of a president, you know, looking to

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<v Speaker 1>find those guilty and quick to bring around judgment to

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<v Speaker 1>satisfy people because they want justice served. Was the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>solid against those that were convicted and executed.

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<v Speaker 4>That is an excellent question, Brian. They arrested two hundred people,

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<v Speaker 4>but they only tried eight, and three of these people

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<v Speaker 4>weren't even involved in the assassination. It was more like

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<v Speaker 4>a kidnapped plot that never came about. People have debated

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<v Speaker 4>for centuries. Now was Mary Sarad guilty of helping Booth?

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<v Speaker 4>And doctor Samuel Mudd from your name is mud Fame?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, did he actually help Booth? So there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of controversy about just how guilty these people were.

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<v Speaker 4>I suspect in a civil trial, not a military tribunal,

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<v Speaker 4>some of these people would have been acquitted, and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't believe it would have had any executions.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of figured that was what you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me. You know, it's the lawyer in my head

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<v Speaker 1>with sort of a wheel spinning there, j T. What

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<v Speaker 1>was the I guess the motivation just simply revenge or

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<v Speaker 1>was there something they were hoping to accomplish, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like people claimed January sixth was going to overthrow the government.

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<v Speaker 1>I might disagree with him on that, but that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the suggestion is that these folks think that they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring about something more than just getting revenge

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<v Speaker 1>on the man who was ultimately responsible.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, well, the Civil War had just ended. It's good Friday.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole of Washington, d c. And the North is celebrating.

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<v Speaker 4>It just drove Booth crazy. You know. He was a

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<v Speaker 4>ham actor. Wasn't really a very good actor, but he

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<v Speaker 4>was really good and he you know, jumping around and

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<v Speaker 4>sword fighting kind of way, that kind of actor. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think he just, you know, he was so eaten

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<v Speaker 4>up by the fact that he himself did not fight

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<v Speaker 4>And he got an opportunity. He was picking up his

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<v Speaker 4>mail at Ford Theater on that Friday, and the clerk

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<v Speaker 4>let slip to him at Lincoln and his wife were

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<v Speaker 4>going to be there that night, and the whole thing

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<v Speaker 4>came together that day. Really not a lot of advance

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<v Speaker 4>planning at all. And I think he thought that the

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<v Speaker 4>South would welcome him with open arms if he kills Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was nothing that was nothing like what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>The South was appalled that he did this, really, And yes,

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<v Speaker 4>and unlike the Kennedy assassination, though tragic, we got Lyndon

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<v Speaker 4>Johnson and the same policies went on. Lincoln's murder changed

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<v Speaker 4>the course of post Civil War history through the reconstruction.

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<v Speaker 4>Instead of getting Lincoln's kind and gentle with malice toward

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<v Speaker 4>non charity for all, we've got Andrew Johnson's draconian measures

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<v Speaker 4>against the South. And I think some of those problems

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<v Speaker 4>are still reverberating today. In fact, you know, people think

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<v Speaker 4>our political situation, you know, are our discourse were more

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<v Speaker 4>divided than ever before. Those people really haven't looked at

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<v Speaker 4>the history of this crime. We just came out of

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<v Speaker 4>a civil war over the most divisive issue in history, slavery,

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<v Speaker 4>and nothing going on today can compare to what was

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<v Speaker 4>going on in eighteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I try to take comfort in that in these

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<v Speaker 1>crazy interesting times we live in, ours we find ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>living in because you know, like looking back at the

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam era protests, the bombings, the terrorist organizations both domestic

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<v Speaker 1>and worldwide, I mean, it was a precarious, precarious time.

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<v Speaker 1>Then this also an unbelievably divided time for our country,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet we managed to persevere.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, the scope of this, I mean, it was so

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<v Speaker 4>long ago. I don't know if you can compare it

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<v Speaker 4>to really what's going on today in terms of the

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of the ramifications, in terms of it being

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<v Speaker 4>the first great news story in history. And then you

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<v Speaker 4>have the execution of the Lincoln conspirators, which was photographed

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<v Speaker 4>with ten different photos. It was the first major news,

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<v Speaker 4>first news event ever to be recorded in sequential photographs.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, we executed a woman. Yeah that led to

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<v Speaker 4>Andrew Johnson's impeachment.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well I've learned a lot of this morning and

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<v Speaker 1>just scratching the surface what you're gonna be talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Thursday night. You begin at seven pm and got

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and a half worth of this breakdown from JT.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's remarkable and how he explains things. Are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do any Q and A? I know this is we

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly. Oh definitely we'll do a Q and A. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that talks about an hour, certainly hoping they get

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<v Speaker 4>some discussion and the conspiracy theorists will will probably be there, Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>You should see when I do the JFKs assination.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, imagine that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing that Wednesday night at the del Hie Township

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<v Speaker 4>Library and it gets very contentious.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, kidding, Township library. What time on Wednesday?

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<v Speaker 4>That's seven pm at the Dell High Township Library. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>my JFK talks. I'm a former conspiracy guy, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a booth did it alone guy, And when you look

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<v Speaker 4>at the evidence, you know it pretty much was a

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<v Speaker 4>was a crazed loaner situation. There was no conspiracy in

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<v Speaker 4>my opinion. But boy, I appear to be in the

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<v Speaker 4>minority of that opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well would you cast yourself in the minority or majority

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the Kennedy assassination?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, seventy percent of the people never accepted the warrant commission.

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<v Speaker 4>I used to be one of those conspiracy guys. And

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<v Speaker 4>then you start looking at the evidence, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>Lee Harvey Oswald all by himself. If this was just

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<v Speaker 4>an ordinary homicide, he would have been quickly convicted. But the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that you throw JFK in and imbuse it with

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<v Speaker 4>all these lofty conspiracy things. But it was a pretty

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<v Speaker 4>simple crime really.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Ruby didn't help anything by killing kille Harpy because

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<v Speaker 1>that just added fuel to the conspiracy fire he did.

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<v Speaker 4>And in Lincoln we had the sergeant Boston Corbett, a

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<v Speaker 4>I'll say this, a self castrated religious eunuch who shot

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<v Speaker 4>Booth when they were trying to arrest him in that barn.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've had Ruby and Boston Corbett, two just crazy

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<v Speaker 4>avengers who killed the assassin and spawned a thousand conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>He's self castrated. Okay, that speaks volumes. There's a DSM

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<v Speaker 1>five diagnosis in that one.

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<v Speaker 2>JT. Indeed, indeed, Well, it's great hearing from you today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for spending time, Ryan.

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<v Speaker 4>If I could get in a shameless plug, I think

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<v Speaker 1>along with the other stuff. I mean, you wrote fabulous books.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed talking about the Queen City Gothic as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a Queen City Notorious. I recommend my listeners get

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<v Speaker 1>those as well well.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd love to see your audience get this book. I

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<v Speaker 4>am working diligently to try to get the DNA retested

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<v Speaker 4>in Cincinnati's most notorious cold case, and I'm I'm still

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<v Speaker 4>working on it. You know, DNA is so advanced now

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<v Speaker 4>you can you can solve cold cases long after all

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<v Speaker 4>the sudden dead.

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<v Speaker 1>It's truly amazing. And anytime you get updated on that.

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<v Speaker 1>When you got a spot here in the morning show, JT,

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<v Speaker 1>trust you on.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to take you up on that this fall

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<v Speaker 4>at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect I enjoy I listened to fascinating conversations. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing, and I wish you the best on

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<v Speaker 1>getting that DNA evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>I would love to talk about the breakercase with you

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<v Speaker 4>at some point on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Streckers made a note of it, so we will

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<v Speaker 1>definitely do that.

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<v Speaker 2>JT.

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<v Speaker 1>Townsend, It's Thursday night, empower Youoamerica dot org or two

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five North and Boulevard. Make sure you register ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Either way, you slice it great having you

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<v Speaker 1>on JT and enjoy the conversation on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 4>Great thanks Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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