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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of iiz on. We

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<v Speaker 1>got the full crew here today. We've got Andy Milburn,

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<v Speaker 1>Mick Molroy, Jason Lyons, and myself. A lot happening happened

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend. The big news, obviously is Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Putin's summit in Alaska. Lasted about three hours, big show

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<v Speaker 1>of uh, you know, a big pomp and circumstance with

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<v Speaker 1>the B two and what they have thirty five flying

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<v Speaker 1>over like that means anything, Red carpet two for Putin,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's some kind of fucking great guy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we could we could pick apart the specifics all day

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<v Speaker 1>long and this could be a four hour podcast. But

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<v Speaker 1>they talked for three hours. It was three on three.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially it was supposed to be one on one, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>god it wasn't. But it was three on three. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>wake Coff Rubio and President Trump with Putin, Lavorov and

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<v Speaker 1>what's poot guy's name? His aid?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you already said lav the other guy's name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got an aid like an economic adviser. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember his name. Anyway, it was the three. It

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<v Speaker 1>was three Russians versus Yeah, it lasted about three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>There's supposed to be a press conference afterwards. There they

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<v Speaker 1>were just statements. It seemed like poop took up most

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<v Speaker 1>of the air in the room. They took no questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was supposed to be a working lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>I think prior to the press conference they moved the

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<v Speaker 1>press conference up. The working lunch never happened. Everybody jumped

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<v Speaker 1>on their jets and went home. What came out of

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<v Speaker 1>it was basically, instead of talking about a ceasefire, they

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<v Speaker 1>want an actual peace deal. Uh not. Many details have

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<v Speaker 1>been coming out slightly some over the weekend. Have I

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<v Speaker 1>saw Wick, Cough and Rubio, they were on the Sunday shows.

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<v Speaker 1>We're expecting the Lenskin, a lot of European leaders to

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<v Speaker 1>meet in d C in the White House tomorrow. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys tracking with this? What are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on this? You guys can want to wrestle for hogles first.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you Gore.

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<v Speaker 2>So to put to look at it balanced right, the

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<v Speaker 2>positive and the negative. I don't know what you want

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<v Speaker 2>to start with, but I'll start with this. Going into

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<v Speaker 2>this negotiation, these fire was the objective. It was clear

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<v Speaker 2>President said it, and he also said they would be

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<v Speaker 2>significant consequences if there wasn't, and there wasn't, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>that was disappointing. Obviously, I was covering it all day

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<v Speaker 2>for ABC, or at least analyzing it. We really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to see him come out of there and say that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a ceasefire because it's you know, the concern

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<v Speaker 2>is that Russia is just going to use these talks

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<v Speaker 2>to look like they're actually heading towards some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>into the conflict and the negotiated element, but essentially just

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<v Speaker 2>keep doing what they're doing, which is incrementally taking territory

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<v Speaker 2>from Ukraine and deliberately targeting civilians and killing civilians. Five

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<v Speaker 2>died since the summit to where we're talking right now, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's lead clear on who Putin is. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who deliberately targets maternity hospitals and nursing homes, right

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<v Speaker 2>to two sub parts of any society that you would

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<v Speaker 2>think would be completely off limits. That's who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>So the concern is that that's what he's doing. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just going to play this out and keep going to

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<v Speaker 2>meetings and you know, try to get the president to

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<v Speaker 2>come to Moscow, and it's it's just a delaying tactic

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<v Speaker 2>for him to try to, you know, do he what

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to do, which is he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>cease far he wants Ukraine, right, So that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what the US has to do now is

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<v Speaker 2>walk the walk. So we said, and there's a bill

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<v Speaker 2>pending right now, the Blumenthal Graham Bill or Yeah bill

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<v Speaker 2>that's in the Senate. If that passed, and it has

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five co sponsors, so it will pass, and it

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<v Speaker 2>goes through Congress, there's ten days for the president to

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<v Speaker 2>sign it. It's veto proof but it or he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sign it and it just becomes law on ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where we need to go. And I think I

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<v Speaker 2>heard the Vice president, former Vice President Pence say that

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<v Speaker 2>this morning on television, So I think that's an indicator.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of Republicans think that's the case, and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Democrats do too. So that's where we need to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to cut off his supply to fund his

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<v Speaker 2>war effort, and that is the secondary sanctions that prevents

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<v Speaker 2>him from selling his energy. It's not guarantee that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>prevent him selling his energy, but it sures to help

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more consequences than what is happening right now,

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<v Speaker 2>which is none. The second thing I think we could

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<v Speaker 2>do is start releasing these frozen assets of Russia. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like a broken record with this, but I'm a broken

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<v Speaker 2>record for a reason. And let Ukraine start buying very

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<v Speaker 2>advanced weapons systems with zero caveats on them, right shoot

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<v Speaker 2>them wherever you need to. Don't hit some civilians obviously

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<v Speaker 2>like your adversaries, but anywhere on Russia's open game. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's three hundred and fifty billion dollars that I know

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<v Speaker 2>of or I think I know that could be used

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<v Speaker 2>for that. And then I would start talking about and

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<v Speaker 2>this is where I'd go into a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>the positive that came out of this. What is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the security assurances, because it can't just be

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<v Speaker 2>Russia saying I promise not to attack you. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>worth anything. So I just saw a special Envoy Witkoff

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<v Speaker 2>saying that what was agreed with Russia was that there'd

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<v Speaker 2>be Article five type security assurances from the United States

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<v Speaker 2>and Europe. Of course, that's a big deal. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal, even if it's not NATO, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine will eventually end up in NATO. But if they

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<v Speaker 2>have an Article five, which means they're attacked again, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they attacked all of us. We're all going to war.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the big benefit of NATO membership Article five. So

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<v Speaker 2>if there can be some treaty, some iron clad, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is a term everybody's using to do that, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal for Ukraine and it'll make it much more

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<v Speaker 2>palatable for them to seed some territory. I believe ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>they have to make that decision, not the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they do get to a point whether they

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<v Speaker 2>can't agree to some and I would say not seeded,

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<v Speaker 2>I would just say acknowledge you can't get it back militarily,

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<v Speaker 2>not legally, just give parts of your country away. But

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<v Speaker 2>if that's acceptable to Ukraine, then this security assurance is ironclad,

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<v Speaker 2>which would be I think would have to be a

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<v Speaker 2>treaty of some sorts, you know, So it goes through

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate with the United States, and then the Europeans

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<v Speaker 2>should start planning right now how they would move forces

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<v Speaker 2>into Ukraine to have an actual physical presence to shore

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<v Speaker 2>up any of this security assurance. I think the Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 2>would need to go in and stay there until you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just have rotations through there until either Ukraine is firmly

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<v Speaker 2>in NATO or it's just you know, clear that it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to happen. So I know that was a

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<v Speaker 2>big dietry, but I think there was some positives, handsome

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<v Speaker 2>negatives that came out of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, Yeah, I think I first of all, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely agree with Meck on his point that Putin doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>want a cease faint. He wants the part of Ukraine

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<v Speaker 3>that Russians, Russian's already annexed, he wants he wants to

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<v Speaker 3>keep that, and he wants to he wants a cap

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<v Speaker 3>on Ukrainian armed forces, I would guess, and if it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, at a considerably lower level than the Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 3>army is now, and he definitely wants the doors slammed

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<v Speaker 3>on any path for Ukraine Tornado or Article five type arrangement,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps even into the EU. So those do mark points

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<v Speaker 3>that the US has leverage on, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>would just like to just kind of like to make

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<v Speaker 3>the point that we don't need you know that with

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<v Speaker 3>Russia's got nothing on the US. Russia is a tin

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<v Speaker 3>pot nation. It's not like, you know, it's not even

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<v Speaker 3>like China, Russia is no I mean, I won't say

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<v Speaker 3>Russia is no threat to US. Russia's that's certainly a

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<v Speaker 3>threat to US interest. But my point is that that

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<v Speaker 3>raid against Russia, and given the day di plomatic military

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<v Speaker 3>might that the United States has, we're dealing with an

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<v Speaker 3>adversary who is who is way beneath us, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just like again, I mean, there's no Russia's in no

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<v Speaker 3>position really to make demands of us. Now, admittedly, Russia

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<v Speaker 3>has a chunk of Ukraine and has the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>continue the war indefinitely, although they're taking, as we've talked

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<v Speaker 3>on this show, huge amount of casualties, by which I

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<v Speaker 3>mean an estimated a thousand casualties a day, and some

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<v Speaker 3>days that's close to one thousand dead, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>a number of casualties varies between the thousand and fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>hundred a day by the most conservative estimates. That's just

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<v Speaker 3>a huge amount, you know. But the fact that Putin

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<v Speaker 3>can very cynically just continue this war indefinitely shows how

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<v Speaker 3>little he cares for, you know, for his own people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that being said, I think everyone on the show understands

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<v Speaker 3>Putin is just a bad person. Getting back to what

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<v Speaker 3>Mick was saying about secondary sanctions. So first of all, yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the way that we leverage Boutin is that

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<v Speaker 3>if he doesn't come to the table, and we need

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<v Speaker 3>to hear more of this really other than the negative

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<v Speaker 3>sanctions on him, if he doesn't come to the bargaining table,

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<v Speaker 3>then we do back some path I would say path,

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<v Speaker 3>a pathway to NATO and certainly security guarantees. And secondly,

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<v Speaker 3>as far as secondary sanctions, yes, you know, the sanctions

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<v Speaker 3>on those countries about backing Russia or trading of Russia, China, India,

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<v Speaker 3>Turkey being primary among them, that that will hurt, that

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<v Speaker 3>will hurt Russia. But we've got to be serious about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, we've been talking about putting tariffs

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<v Speaker 3>on the entire world with the exception of Russia. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, I don't know why it's so reluctant.

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<v Speaker 4>To those Canadians, you know, to be honest, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you know the are smart, I get it, but they

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to see I would like to see

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<v Speaker 4>us say hey, listen, you either accept this or we

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<v Speaker 4>are absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit of security guarantees. Ukraine meets substantia security guarantees some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of Article five agreement, but it's definitely a pathway

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<v Speaker 3>to NATO in the next five years. That'll certainly make

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<v Speaker 3>Putin pay attention. We played, you know, we played his game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean rolled out the red carpet. I know that's

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<v Speaker 3>become a meme of this whole conference, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, a lot of us find that quite offensive.

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<v Speaker 3>I do to see US military personnel on their knees

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<v Speaker 3>rolling out a red carpet for a man who I

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<v Speaker 3>consider an adversary to our national interests that discussed me

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<v Speaker 3>and Putin lap set up those those optics are huge

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<v Speaker 3>for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, how are those playing in Russia? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like all the entire summing Actually, like you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>at the press conference, Putin spoke for like two thirds

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<v Speaker 1>of the time talking about like Russian history and shit,

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing you did, would like Tucker Carlson throwing

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<v Speaker 1>that interview. It's just it seems like a bunch of bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest and like, and like you even look

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<v Speaker 1>at the deal points that are kind of like like

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<v Speaker 1>leaked out a little bit, where like they want the

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<v Speaker 1>entirety of Dombas for kar Ki. Even summers and sum

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<v Speaker 1>me where it's like they don't even have that. They're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Into Iron parts of Ukraine they don't even currently have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like absolute nonsense. And like what is an

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<v Speaker 1>Article five like clause or treaty even look like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in our system, they are term limited, right, so if

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<v Speaker 2>there's some kind of ironclad way, and again this is

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<v Speaker 2>as thirty countries. They could move troops in. You got

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<v Speaker 2>What we all can see is not necessarily iron clad.

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<v Speaker 2>everybody agrees to for that to be actually worth it

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<v Speaker 2>for Ukraine. And then down the road. I mean, first

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with President Zelensky. I think President McCrone, President Stubbs,

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<v Speaker 2>Starmer's going Starmar's going out. Okay, you know they're not

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<v Speaker 5>Let's go back to the show website for just because

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<v Speaker 3>Remail the podcast that the combined continue combined support from

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<v Speaker 3>the European nations or Ukraine now outways that in the

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<v Speaker 3>still substantial, and it's still certainly something that the Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 3>part of what they need. But my point is that

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<v Speaker 3>it isn't a case of anymore of the United States

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<v Speaker 3>support the war comes to an end. Ukraine can continue

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<v Speaker 3>fighting with the support and the increasing support of European nations.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think I don't know that I would imagine

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<v Speaker 3>that European leaders and Zelenski have planned for the worse,

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<v Speaker 3>and they certainly should when they come to the White

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<v Speaker 3>House on Monday, such that, you know, My point is

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<v Speaker 3>the US does not have as much leverage as we

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<v Speaker 3>did maybe a year or two years ago, and that

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<v Speaker 3>Europeans around the point probably of saying, well, okay, fair enough,

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<v Speaker 3>but we don't agree. You and Putin can talk about

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<v Speaker 3>what you want, but we're going to continue to support

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine in its fight and and then just walk away.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we now we look really now we look

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<v Speaker 3>really powerless, right, you know, So I mean it's hard

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<v Speaker 3>and soft power, right, soft power diplomacy. I mean, you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to back it with obviously, you have to back

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<v Speaker 3>it with with action. And my point is simply this

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<v Speaker 3>that we're not really necessarily in position, but we have

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<v Speaker 3>that leverage anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and dude, you just look at the optics and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the That's what the whole summit was. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they both try to like win in the perception game.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's going back as like a fucking hero, dude, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many ways you can cut up and dice

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<v Speaker 1>up the footage from the summit to make him look like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he we shouldn't be president, shouldn't even be

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<v Speaker 1>meeting with them. He shouldn't even give him that opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to get the fucking uh photo photop. Frankly, what has

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<v Speaker 1>he done to deserve that? And the other wild part

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<v Speaker 1>was like Trump had an interview with John Hannity afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, oh, yeah, now it's all up to Zelenski,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what, like, piece isn't up to Zelenski, It's up

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<v Speaker 1>to the Russians, who invaded a fucking country that was

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<v Speaker 1>not aggressive with it three years ago to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of their country like, uh, it's just incredible the hoops

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<v Speaker 1>that Zelenski has to go through compared to like his

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<v Speaker 1>bro woop. Frankly, he looked ridiculous. I mean, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it's playing like, Honestly, That's how it's been playing from

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<v Speaker 1>the last two days. Is that Trump look ridiculous super

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<v Speaker 1>like uh like Jovia like their best bud. It's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>they see't your best bud. Sorry to break it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he's got a uh proclivity towards like dictators stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like, at some point you got to act

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<v Speaker 1>like an actual, like American president. And it's crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>hawkish right because I could just swarm my mouth and

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<v Speaker 1>say whatever I want, but it's I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>So hopefully this, I mean, it does look like a

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<v Speaker 2>win to putin right now. Right he got hoisted from

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<v Speaker 2>Paria to presidential meetings in the United States. But if

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of folks calling for this, if

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<v Speaker 1>What's holding it up? Though, Mack. If there's an eighty fighters,

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<v Speaker 1>can't get eighty five centers agree on anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Apparently Trump has to give Senator Thune,

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, majority leader, the thumbs up coach. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to. They could just pass it. They are

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<v Speaker 2>an independent branch of government. He didn't agree to a ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time to pass it. I mean, we can't keep

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like, Okay, well it doesn't really matter. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna lose. It's gonna clout this like like Andy was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eventually the Europeans will just say, just get

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<v Speaker 2>just hosting lavish, you know, beatings and not sorry to say.

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<v Speaker 6>I was just gonna ask because I'm completely ignorant when

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<v Speaker 6>and outs of them. So I'm gonna ask this question,

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<v Speaker 6>what is the downside for us for imposing sanctions? Because

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<v Speaker 6>I know Rubio said this morning that he doesn't believe

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<v Speaker 6>But what is the downside of it? Why wouldn't we

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<v Speaker 6>why can't we do that amongst other things?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, But I mean i'd point out that

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of View when he was Senator Rubio is what

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<v Speaker 2>has supported this one hundred percent, right, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>he actually has came out to support this exactly. So

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<v Speaker 2>how it works, my understanding is it imposes a five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent tariff on countries that purchase energy from Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are China and you purchase energy from Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>then when you try to sell stuff to US, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a five hundred percent tariff, which essentially is a block

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<v Speaker 2>to trade. Yeah, I mean it's it might as well

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<v Speaker 2>be ten thousand by then. Right now, I've seen economists

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not say this could be super disruptive to

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<v Speaker 2>international trade. So I don't know the actual consequences to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at it from a national security Ukrainian and

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<v Speaker 2>an or in Ukraine perspective. But I think even the

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<v Speaker 2>prospect of it is why Putin asked for the meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't agree to anything but that we know of,

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think the prospect of it is concerning,

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<v Speaker 2>which means I think we should move forward with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like dr he said, we're basically putting tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>on everybody in the planet, so except for Russia, So

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<v Speaker 2>why not in this they would not be affected by it. China, India,

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<v Speaker 2>and Turkey are the countries that by the most energy

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<v Speaker 2>from Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>They just don't Is there another country that can make

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<v Speaker 1>up the difference. Let's say they did stop buying energy

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question for our energy experts. But the

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<v Speaker 2>US opek, I don't know. That would be a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say. I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That could also be disruptive. But the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point of it is not to actually enforce the

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred percent right, it's it's too it's to just

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<v Speaker 2>have them stopped buying energy from Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no outside for us.

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<v Speaker 6>Then there's no I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know if we have I guess it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>global economy like oil, mic tank. You know, oil is

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<v Speaker 1>already low and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, maybe it rises.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't Oh, it might, it might skyrocket. You're right, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's it's at like sixty something right now it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty low oil relatively. Yeah. I just it also to

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<v Speaker 1>come out like the whole idea of someone was to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a framework for a ceasefire, right but now

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, we're talking peace steal, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to high jump before you can even crawl. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>the other part that we didn't, like we have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about before, like for Ukraine to okay because they are

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<v Speaker 1>a democratic country like it or not Bouten and everybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>like they have to change their constitution and get like

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<v Speaker 1>parliamentary approval to swap to like actually hard make the

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<v Speaker 1>make the borders like hard borders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have to mend the constitution to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to have the referendum I think. And then and the

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<v Speaker 2>other part of this, there's Pete, there's Ukrainians that live

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<v Speaker 2>in this territory. They don't want to become Russian. Obvious

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, they've been fighting tooth and nail the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of our lives and losing lives to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to not be Russian. So what's it's super complicated. So

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<v Speaker 2>they say they do give up some terrain. There needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be resettlement, there needs to be there's costs, including

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<v Speaker 2>that rehousing. Who's paying for that, the international community? Russia? Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>all of its assets that are frozen right now. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the way I see it should never go back to Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Either they need to use it to defend themselves or

419
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<v Speaker 2>they need to use it to rebuild themselves, which was

420
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.799
<v Speaker 2>caused by Russia. This is going to That's why it's

421
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<v Speaker 2>so important to have a ceasefire during negotiations because even

422
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.839
<v Speaker 2>if this is good faced negotiations, which is a big if,

423
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:50.519
<v Speaker 2>it's going to take a long time to get there,

424
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<v Speaker 2>just because of all of the issues they have to

425
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>deal with, the ref the men in the constitution, the referendums,

426
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the resettling population, all the other issues which are also

427
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:06.359
<v Speaker 2>extraordinarily important, Like the first Lady wrote this letter about

428
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.279
<v Speaker 2>these Ukrainian children that were stolen. I mean, this is

429
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.000
<v Speaker 2>just barbaric act. I mean, all that stuff has to

430
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<v Speaker 2>be included in the agreement, and then we have to

431
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.640
<v Speaker 2>have an iron clad security assurance, which to my way

432
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>of thinking, is some kind of treaty. Right, there's something

433
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>that just can't be broken, Like like I mean, we

434
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.079
<v Speaker 2>gave assurances Ukraine, we defend them in the nineties when

435
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 2>they give up the NRD good weapons.

436
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 3>And obviously then is the Mensk agreement.

437
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>It's gotta be more iron clad than that.

438
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.519
<v Speaker 1>Troops need to be prepared. Russia part of the treaty.

439
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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem. Yeah, and pressing more like that. I

440
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>hate generalizing the entire country of Russia, but you.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, it's putin right, Yeah, it's yeah, let's not

442
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>turn against the entire It gets back to be being

443
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>prepared to enforce doing bad things against Russia and really

444
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:04.480
<v Speaker 2>being prepared to follow through.

445
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 3>And at no stage have we shown that we are

446
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:12.279
<v Speaker 3>willing to do that. And you know, to next point

447
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 3>on the ceasefire enforcing the seas fire, the only way

448
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.880
<v Speaker 3>to enforce the ceasefire is to establish terms that both

449
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:26.440
<v Speaker 3>sides agree to unequivocally. And the only way that the

450
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Russians are going to agree unequivocally to anything is if

451
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 3>what is the threats that they face for breaking that

452
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 3>ceasefire are really damaging to them? A and B they

453
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<v Speaker 3>believe that the US in particular will follow through on

454
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.440
<v Speaker 3>those threats. I mean, you're going to have the most

455
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<v Speaker 3>two most powerful armies in Europe combat experienced with the

456
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<v Speaker 3>most and that on the Ukraine had side certainly the

457
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<v Speaker 3>best equipped militaries in Europe facing each other over a

458
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, a very short distance. I mean you can't.

459
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 3>You can't rely on a peacekeeping force to enforce that ceasefire.

460
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.920
<v Speaker 3>It has to be the terms of the agreement. And

461
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 3>as Mike points out, that is what's going to be

462
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:13.920
<v Speaker 3>so complex about this.

463
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<v Speaker 6>You think that if I mean, I know it's not

464
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<v Speaker 6>going to happen, but if tomorrow Ukraine has granted NATO membership,

465
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<v Speaker 6>that that would be a game changer. Or do you

466
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 6>think potent is all in no matter what?

467
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, I like the sound of the willingness to I

468
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 2>mean if they won't be because I think, unfortunately the

469
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>US would veto it in a way NATO membership works

470
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>as any member can veto it if your members. I

471
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 2>think it was Sweden that Turkey was holding out on

472
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:51.839
<v Speaker 2>because it's a issue. But the whole point is as

473
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 2>soon as they are part of NATO, then the Article

474
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.599
<v Speaker 2>five applies, and any further aggression against Ukraine would mean

475
00:27:57.640 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>they're fighting all of us.

476
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.079
<v Speaker 1>And also probably means hard like make the lines like

477
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the actual this is Ukraine, now, this is Russia? Now? Yeah,

478
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 1>because it's in there also a stipulation I think that

479
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>where if there are soldiers on the ground like Article

480
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 1>five like you mentioned, like automatically triggers Yeah, technically in

481
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 1>your that's in your country.

482
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 2>And so for the what is it thirty members? Correct

483
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.519
<v Speaker 2>me if I'm wrong, but there's there might be more

484
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>not everyone has to agree. So everyone i'd have to

485
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.359
<v Speaker 2>in this case would have to say not only do

486
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 2>I want them then I think most countries do, but

487
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.720
<v Speaker 2>it's a decision to go to war against Russia right now,

488
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 2>so they would be making both decisions. And you know,

489
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 2>my way of thinking, they need to start putting consequences

490
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>on Russia, which means they should start planning how if

491
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a ceasefire, like okay, so how are these units

492
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:52.759
<v Speaker 2>going to work together and enforcing that cease fire. How

493
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>are they going to move into Ukraine? How they're going

494
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>to integrate, at least in coordination wise with the Ukrainian military.

495
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I think they got to start doing that now for

496
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 2>practical reasons, but also to show to show putin this

497
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 2>has happened, we're planning on it, and and I know

498
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.119
<v Speaker 2>this might be controversial, I'd also say I'd also put

499
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a line in the sand, like, is there a place

500
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that Russia gets to when Europe decides no Moss, Like,

501
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 2>are they gonna let him take keep? I'm not saying

502
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 2>it's any happen anytime soon. I'm not saying it's ever

503
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. But when is Europe going to say, Okay,

504
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 2>we're willing to contribute troops to prevent Ukraine from being

505
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 2>taken over? Entirely right, because now every all the West,

506
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:42.839
<v Speaker 2>including the US, is just reacting to what Putin wants. Yeah,

507
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.799
<v Speaker 2>we need to start hitting having him react to what

508
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.200
<v Speaker 2>we are saying we want and what we're gonna do.

509
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 3>Melbourne, Yeah, I mean, you know, it gets back to

510
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I guess we're talking a lot about the summit, but

511
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 3>the question remains it was the summit even about you know,

512
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 3>where we were in We certainly are not and we're

513
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 3>certainly in no better position as from the US standpoint

514
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 3>than we were before this summer. We seem to have

515
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:20.480
<v Speaker 3>even less leverage because we have shown such extraordinary deference

516
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 3>to Putin. I mean, you know, I know, we keep

517
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 3>getting back to the the optics, but they were they

518
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.440
<v Speaker 3>were really they were really harmful to the United States.

519
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 3>And the United States is position as appearing as a

520
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:39.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean in part not even I didn't even portray

521
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 3>us as being impartial in this is my point. You know,

522
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 3>of course we should be leaning towards Ukraine as the

523
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 3>invaded country. And I think I mean for me again,

524
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you see endless churn about what was accomplished,

525
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 3>what was discussed. You know this, this this memo was

526
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 3>found in the Captain Cook Hotel, and reporters are pouring

527
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 3>over it to clean some substantive insights into what occurred,

528
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 3>and it appears to be just kind of a you know,

529
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:14.400
<v Speaker 3>a protocol direction.

530
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>To the launch, though that didn't happen, Like, why didn't

531
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>that lunch happen?

532
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I think, well here's what I think. I

533
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 3>don't know, but here's what I think happened. You had

534
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 3>this extraordinary reception, which which didn't have to happen, you know,

535
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, diplomatically, the right thing to do would have

536
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 3>been to give put in quite a cold reception. We

537
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't have to do literally the red carpet, the F

538
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 3>twenty two's, you know, the arch of kind of that

539
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 3>extraordinary arch, the flyover, I mean, all of that stuff

540
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 3>was just weird. And I tell you, if I'd been

541
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 3>one of the military commanders ordered to do that, I

542
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 3>would have I would have I would have felt. Now

543
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm just glad I wasn't in that position. I would

544
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 3>certainly have heard I wouldn't see I mean, uh, And

545
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 3>I think probably someone realized during the summit, Hey, this

546
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 3>is this is going south for US. This is not

547
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 3>looking good. When I say, I'm talking collectively is the US.

548
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.799
<v Speaker 3>And so that's why you kind of saw this scripted

549
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 3>I think press conference afterwards and the plans afterwards for

550
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 3>dinner and all of this where it was a working.

551
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Lunch.

552
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was kind of I hope someone realized that

553
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 3>it was not looking good.

554
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was kind of hoping that at the last

555
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.039
<v Speaker 6>minute that uh, we get that ww music and then

556
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 6>Zolensky would come shooting off a player, you know, and

557
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 6>just just walk into the whole thing and disrupt it.

558
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 1>It also kind of looks like, you know, Okay, Trump

559
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 1>had his three hour meeting with Putin and then he

560
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>goes and reports back to the the Zelenski and the

561
00:32:56.279 --> 00:33:00.359
<v Speaker 1>European leaders. It's like, why are we giving putin any

562
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of like reporting anything? And I and frank like

563
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>giving him any kind of lead on this, And Frankly,

564
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>what I think is going to happen. Why they kind

565
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>of pivoted from ceasefire to full peace deal is because

566
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>they want to get it out there. They're like, oh,

567
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 1>who actually wants peace? And when the Zelenski and the

568
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 1>EU leaders are like, this is crazy. What he said

569
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>has come for is being ridiculous like he has been

570
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>for the last three years. They could kind of paint

571
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 1>it on like Zelenski, they being like, oh, you know what,

572
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 1>you really don't want peace. That's my speculation as to

573
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 1>what Russia would like. And I can't even begin to

574
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.599
<v Speaker 1>try and like understand what Trump wants. Frankly, what are

575
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts? Make you go first?

576
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>So I do think tomorrow is going to be hopefully

577
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:53.640
<v Speaker 2>a very productive day on because the European leaders have

578
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 2>to be there. They're the primary ones that are going

579
00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>to be enforcing any kind of security guarantees. Kik Koff

580
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.799
<v Speaker 2>just said on television that the US was going to

581
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 2>be part of the security gig, which is why I'm

582
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 2>saying that was a positive. I mean, he's unless that's

583
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>not the case, but he's a spokesperson he's a special onvoy,

584
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 2>so but tomorrow I think needs to be a lot

585
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes, like what do we all collectively trying

586
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>to get to with President Zelensky in the lead on

587
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>what he could accept and probably equally important, what he

588
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.559
<v Speaker 2>could actually sell to the Ukrainian people, right, because he's

589
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>not making these decisions. Ultimately he's the best position to represent.

590
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Obviously it's democratically elect the leader of Ukraine. But he

591
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 2>can't even just go on there and slap the table

592
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and say.

593
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>This is the deal.

594
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 2>So he needs to and we need to not put

595
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:48.800
<v Speaker 2>that out there. That's why I'm saying he needs to

596
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 2>be behind the scenes, like they need to collect it,

597
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>like what is Europe actually willing to do, What is

598
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 2>us actually willing to do? What does President Zolenski think

599
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>is acceptable to him? And does he think he can

600
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.480
<v Speaker 2>actually sell to the Ukrainian people? And then don't tell anybody,

601
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>which I know is going to be almost a possibility,

602
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.360
<v Speaker 2>because you don't want your your like hard and fast

603
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 2>negotiation milestones to be known. Not only do you not

604
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>want to give away things like NATO membership and US

605
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>boots on the ground before he actually enter the negotiations,

606
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>but you don't want to actually say what your your

607
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>bottom line is. And I think that everybody should know that,

608
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.199
<v Speaker 2>and then everybody should keep it mum, and then the

609
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Speaker 2>consequences should be discussed. Okay, So we want to have

610
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>a trilateral meeting with Putin and Zelenski being basically the

611
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 2>primaries in the US, you know, facilitating it if they

612
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 2>need us to do it, or they could get the

613
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Europeans to do it, and then and then if Putin

614
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't show any progress, consequences have to happen, or he'll

615
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>meet you know, he'll have the red Coppert rolled out

616
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 2>for him every month as long as he can keep

617
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.599
<v Speaker 2>his word going and make it look like that he's

618
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>he's advancing it. So there has to be consequences, and

619
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>we have to get all of our stuff in one sock.

620
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.920
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to imagine how both sites could go to

621
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.679
<v Speaker 3>a peace agreement without a ceasefire, which is what now

622
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.280
<v Speaker 3>the US stance is based on what Putin has said.

623
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, how do you do that? It's it's extraordinary.

624
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 3>The other thing, you know, there's so many extraordinary things

625
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 3>about this. Was in this call to NATO to Zelenskin,

626
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<v Speaker 3>and NATO leaders. Apparently, what has been reported is that

627
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<v Speaker 3>either Wickf or Trump reported that Putin had said, hey, look,

628
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<v Speaker 3>I can take the rest of the Netsk region and

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<v Speaker 3>any other areas where whether fighting is taking place. He

630
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<v Speaker 3>means the south, I can take any area I want

631
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<v Speaker 3>in Ukraine. And I was thinking, hey, well, of course

632
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Putin's saying that. But if he could do that, why

633
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<v Speaker 3>he wouldn't he do that?

634
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<v Speaker 1>You know?

635
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<v Speaker 3>Is he just is he just like taking that all

636
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.519
<v Speaker 3>those casualties just because he can, and he doesn't. He's

637
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 3>too nice to take territory. I mean what First of all,

638
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.639
<v Speaker 3>so that's an extraordinary thing for Putin to say. If

639
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.079
<v Speaker 3>he said it, and be why why would we repeat

640
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 3>that to NATO leaders. It's not like they're going to say,

641
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 3>oh wow, we didn't we had no idea. It's just crazy.

642
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So let's see what how it goes. I hope

643
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 1>it'd be interesting to watch. Like there was no no

644
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>uh no questions asked by reporters. There were reporters screaming

645
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 1>questions at Pootin and stuff when they were taking the

646
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.599
<v Speaker 1>photos proprior to some it. There were no questions afterwards

647
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>at the press conference, like but what's it going to

648
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 1>look like tomorrow with all those European leaders, you know,

649
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>are they to be open for questions? It's going to

650
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 1>be like you know, the normal like Oval how it's

651
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 1>been for the Trump administration, that Oval Office kind of

652
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:13.440
<v Speaker 1>like pow wow, gaggle whatever of just like where they're

653
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>just they're basically like just rap rap sessioning. It's just

654
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like a jam session, like anything goes. It'll be kind

655
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 1>of interesting. There will be a lot of it. So

656
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna get a little bit crowded in

657
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<v Speaker 1>the Oval Office. I do.

658
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<v Speaker 3>I do want to add one thing that you know,

659
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<v Speaker 3>I'm half British and so the British half of me

660
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:37.519
<v Speaker 3>sees a something positive coming out of this. There's the

661
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 3>there is a European assertiveness coming to the foe that

662
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 3>has not been there for many years, you know, arguably

663
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<v Speaker 3>not since the Second World War. By that, I mean,

664
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<v Speaker 3>you know, Starmer and Macron in particular are becoming respected

665
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 3>leaders where they I mean, you can say what you

666
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 3>like about them, but they are. They are center stage

667
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 3>now in substantive issues and going so and again it's

668
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the proof will be tomorrow and Tomorrow's discussion

669
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 3>to see how it pans out. But I think I

670
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.119
<v Speaker 3>think they're coming with armed with the worst case scenario

671
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.960
<v Speaker 3>of hey, look us, if you're not on board with

672
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 3>what we're saying and with a path to peace having

673
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 3>to involve the cease fire, having to involve all these things.

674
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 3>If you're not on board with this, the war will continue.

675
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 3>And we're quite capable of supporting Ukraine without your help.

676
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I think that's what's going to happen. And you know,

677
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 3>so again it gets back to, yeah, that's that's kind

678
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:51.719
<v Speaker 3>of positive. We've been certainly financially, we've been trying to

679
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.039
<v Speaker 3>get European nations to step up to the play when

680
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 3>it comes to the defense of Europe, and now they're

681
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 3>willing to do it. But unfortunate we the United States,

682
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 3>don't seem to be leading that. We don't seem to

683
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 3>be on the same train. I hope, I hope I'm wrong.

684
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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you were saying to say something, what were you

685
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:13.159
<v Speaker 1>what was your book?

686
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why I was when we were talking about

687
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 2>how this would be a giant media scrum gaggle tomorrow.

688
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm advocating to say, basically just clear statements

689
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 2>of support to Ukraine. We're working out our side of it.

690
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to tell you what it is because

691
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't it's it's not to our own advantage. You

692
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>don't see Russia, you know, well they just say maximalist stuff,

693
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.320
<v Speaker 2>but they're not they're not talking about their internal discussions

694
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and maybe they don't even have them because it's, uh,

695
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, an autocracy. But we need to be much

696
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>more circumspect about what we're saying collectively to the media,

697
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 2>even though I'm an analyst in the media. Uh, they

698
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 2>don't need to We don't need to know everything. We

699
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 2>want this to actually work. And sometimes giving away everything

700
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 2>we're willing to do and not do is not beneficial

701
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 2>to our part of the negotiations. And then again, and

702
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I think Andy just said it, Europe needs to be

703
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.119
<v Speaker 2>ready to you know, not just be the guys sitting

704
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>around the speakerphone listening to everything that just happened. They

705
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 2>need to be in the room. I mean, they're the

706
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:23.800
<v Speaker 2>ones that are going to move troops into Ukraine to

707
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.280
<v Speaker 2>support the ceasefire. And they're the ones that I didn't

708
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>just come up with this, they're the ones actually talking about, well,

709
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>what is our red line? A we're going to let

710
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, if the worst case scenario, we're going to

711
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 2>let Russia take all of Ukraine, or we're gonna we're

712
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>going to decide that you know that's not going to

713
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>be the case. You know you're going to be a

714
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Chamberlain or a Churchill here. So I hope tomorrow they

715
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 2>just come out full support. They basically explain without giving details,

716
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>that we're on the same sheet of music, and then

717
00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>they're ready for the trilateral or marta multi national right

718
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.880
<v Speaker 2>include the UK and France, and they have more than

719
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 2>a right to have a seat at the table. They're

720
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the ones that are going to put their troops into

721
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>arms away.

722
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.159
<v Speaker 1>And it's their backyard too, right.

723
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Back their backyard. They don't need they don't need permission.

724
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is their country and it's there. They

725
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 2>just I would agree. They are certainly stepping up across

726
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Europe Germany. I mean, like a lot of my German

727
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 2>friends are sending me memes about how Europe is now

728
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 2>demanding that Germany build a large standing army and be

729
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 2>prepared to march cars Europe. But they have, you know,

730
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.320
<v Speaker 2>they they've they've changed their perspective on and this is

731
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.239
<v Speaker 2>all this all goes through the massive strategic mistake by

732
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>President Bootin. Right, So he vaded a country that's twenty

733
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.960
<v Speaker 2>eight times smaller and land mass four times smaller and population.

734
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.760
<v Speaker 2>It's been three and a half years. Over three and

735
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.239
<v Speaker 2>a half years, and he's taken about nineteen percent of

736
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.599
<v Speaker 2>the country. He's also caused NATO to expand by two

737
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>more countries at the thirty two now, I guess, and

738
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>he's got every country in NATO to want to spend

739
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>more on their own defense because of him. So he

740
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 2>can he writes the history books in Russia, but he

741
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 2>doesn't write the history books. The history books are going

742
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.639
<v Speaker 2>to look at this as a huge strategic mistake, and

743
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 2>we need to make it an even larger one.

744
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, the.

745
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:35.280
<v Speaker 3>War's become the war's become an instrument of political control

746
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 3>for him at home, silencing opposition. He's all these laws

747
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 3>that have come out about you know, if you criticize

748
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 3>the war and the Russian Army, you can go to

749
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:51.280
<v Speaker 3>jail for five years. And he realizes is that his

750
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 3>his reputation, his legacy is staked to this war, you know,

751
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:02.679
<v Speaker 3>and that is why the sequences for him of not

752
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.239
<v Speaker 3>telling the line. When it comes to what the West

753
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 3>wants in regards to a ceasefire and peace agreement, the

754
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 3>consequences have to be really bad because he already, he

755
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 3>already sees, he already perceives the fact that if he turns,

756
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, if he comes back with less than owning

757
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.840
<v Speaker 3>all the train that he is, you know that they've

758
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 3>already earned all these things that he has said. If

759
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.159
<v Speaker 3>he comes back less than that, there are going to

760
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 3>be elements of the Russian population, sizable elements that start

761
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 3>questioning why this war happened in the first.

762
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Place, Right.

763
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.440
<v Speaker 2>They should be questioning that now.

764
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:54.679
<v Speaker 7>With the certainly should yeah, well generation, I'm sure you know,

765
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.039
<v Speaker 7>I'm sure they are, but the but the opposition has

766
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 7>been remarkably silent to this point.

767
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>It's also kind of scary though, just to see, like,

768
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a possibility of like Europe going yet

769
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>alone without the US. How that's like a possibility where

770
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.280
<v Speaker 1>like it's I think Europe should take the lead on

771
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 1>this because it is their backyard. But the fact that

772
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.599
<v Speaker 1>hopefully the US and Europe tomorrow with Ukraine and Zelenski

773
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 1>can get there can start you know, singing off the

774
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>same sheet of music right, like and be united in

775
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>terms of what they want from pot and.

776
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Support for Ukraine seems to be going up in the US.

777
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Every poll I've seen indicates that distrust and actual hatred

778
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 2>if you will, for Putin is very high.

779
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so incouraging.

780
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.800
<v Speaker 2>It is. I think Democrats it's like ninety three percent

781
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.880
<v Speaker 2>completely distrust and disapprove of Putin and eighty eight percent

782
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 2>of Republicans and the independence or a recipe or somewhere

783
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 2>in the middle right. So that's also pretty unheard of

784
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>in modern.

785
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.000
<v Speaker 3>But what is amazing that it's still twelve percent of

786
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 3>the American public but seven percent who support him, Like,

787
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 3>what what can that be?

788
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? But you know what I mean, that's another rabbit

789
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.800
<v Speaker 1>hole that you they really dig into and be like,

790
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 1>what is what is going on in the United States

791
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like what they supportant you know, twelve

792
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.159
<v Speaker 1>percent is thirty plus million, you know if you run

793
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the math or you know even more. Yeah, it's it's

794
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>head scratching.

795
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 2>It is head scratching.

796
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I still, you know, I still hear arguments

797
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:48.039
<v Speaker 3>from people who are otherwise intelligence about intelligent about you know,

798
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:52.639
<v Speaker 3>how the US has been duped into supporting Ukraine with

799
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.079
<v Speaker 3>all this, you know, all these arms and everything. Guys

800
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 3>who were not at all outrage, Well, perhaps we're for

801
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.760
<v Speaker 3>temporarily outrage by the way that Afghanistan went down after

802
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 3>twenty years of US pouring blood and treasure into that

803
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 3>country for nothing. I cannot recognize the fact that we

804
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 3>have spent only money in the US, have spent only

805
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 3>money in really creating a in delivering a devastating blow

806
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 3>to Russia via our proxy Ukraine. You know, I mean

807
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 3>that from it from a pure US standpoint, it's samboled

808
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.719
<v Speaker 3>US interest. That was a remarkable feat and all we

809
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:40.320
<v Speaker 3>did was spend money. And yet there are still knuckleheads

810
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 3>who think that that. You know, phils start talking as

811
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 3>though we were cheated.

812
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, Our our strength.

813
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Is relative, right, I mean, that's the same people how

814
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>much we spent on our national defense and they probably

815
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess wouldn't even know. No, but we if we're

816
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 2>spending money to seriously degrade Russia's military capability, which we are,

817
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.239
<v Speaker 2>our strength goes up relative to theirs. So it's you

818
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>could take I think we have a moral and ethical

819
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.119
<v Speaker 2>obligation to defend democracy around the world. But even if

820
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 2>you don't even if you're just America first, This is America.

821
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>This is advantages the United States of America. It means

822
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.519
<v Speaker 2>all those nine hundred and fifty thousand casualties, if we

823
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 2>were to go to war with Russia, wouldn't be available

824
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.960
<v Speaker 2>to fight us. All the tanks, all the armored personnel carries,

825
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>all the aircraft, all that stuff that Ukraine has managed

826
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to take off the battlefield literally is not going to

827
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.239
<v Speaker 2>go up against the United States if we were to

828
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:45.480
<v Speaker 2>have a conflict with them. So it's not charity, as

829
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.559
<v Speaker 2>President Selenski has said anything.

830
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.599
<v Speaker 1>I think folks are just kind of susceptible to you know,

831
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 1>ten word kind of answer or like a TikTok one

832
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 1>minute thing with like a graph that says two hundred

833
00:48:56.599 --> 00:49:00.480
<v Speaker 1>billion or three hundred billion, like meaning and they equated

834
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<v Speaker 1>to Oh, if that three hundred billion didn't go there,

835
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.760
<v Speaker 1>which is not the number, Uh, it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>in my pocket, or I would have had some I

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<v Speaker 1>would have gotten some kind of chair, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Carry Well, they're also buying our stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true too, a majority of the stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like we're sending palettes of cash for them. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like artillery. It's it's equipment and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff we were going to decommission, especially early on, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like what do we do? You know, I understand, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand if the American elector and the American people were

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<v Speaker 1>pissed because we sent one hundred thousand guys there. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that, especially after twenty plus years of the gy

847
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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Aghanistan and Iraq. But that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>case and sixty one hundred and fifty billion to like

849
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<v Speaker 1>literally decimate the the Russian army and also do the

850
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<v Speaker 1>right thing too. Let's put that on top of it, right,

851
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<v Speaker 1>Like Ukraine didn't do anything. They got innovated. It's not exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a fucking rounding error in our deficit and national debt.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeahstantcial benefits too when it comes to armaments. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it's it was a research and development laboratory. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I know the sound cynical, but it was for many

856
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<v Speaker 3>of our weapons systems, and it showed the world. You know,

857
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<v Speaker 3>whether or not this is fair, but a lot of

858
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<v Speaker 3>countries that that had been all out on buying Soviet

859
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<v Speaker 3>era or Russian made equipment associate now that equipment with

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<v Speaker 3>being it it being destroyed by Western weapons systems, and

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, there's it's had kind of a shift

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<v Speaker 3>in the way the world views not just military power,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, Ukraine siding with the Web, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the West siding with Ukraine, providing Ukraine with all these

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<v Speaker 3>systems from storm Shadow to attackers high mass that have

866
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<v Speaker 3>just devastated had a devastating effect. He had short term,

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<v Speaker 3>but devastating short term simply because we didn't give them enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Has been a great laboratory and a kind of exposure

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<v Speaker 3>to the world of some of the weaknesses in Russian

870
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<v Speaker 3>military equipment, a doctrine, training, tactics, all of the above.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you had you were saying something, Sorry, you

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<v Speaker 1>got caught up, remember what it was? All right? I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with it. Yeah, whenever doubt, just agree with Andy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the rule for my wife.

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00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 1>That's probably a better move.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, I mean I would say this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we over we have a tendency to overestimate

879
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.639
<v Speaker 2>our adversaries by turn them into because I mean, the

880
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<v Speaker 2>analyst is never gonna get yelled at for for that.

881
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<v Speaker 2>They get yelled at, I assume for like underestimating. Yeah,

882
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.480
<v Speaker 2>but Russia has proven to be not very good at fighting,

883
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, That's why they're always talking about nuclear weapons.

884
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<v Speaker 2>I think they even see, like conventionally Holy Mackerel, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukraine basically was a David and gliascenario and David's

886
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 2>still fighting, you know, Yeah, David's still fighting and gliath

887
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<v Speaker 2>Is is turned out out to be Goliath. So that's

888
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<v Speaker 2>why they always talk. It's it's there there. As soon

889
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:24.239
<v Speaker 2>as they start seeing that this that everybody can see

890
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<v Speaker 2>that they're not as strong as we thought, they start

891
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<v Speaker 2>talking about nuclear weapons. So I don't say we even

892
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.280
<v Speaker 2>engage with that anymore. You can let Medvedev or whatever

893
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>his name is just say stuff like that. We need

894
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to focus on ending the conflict and then understanding once

895
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and for all that NATO has a significant role to

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<v Speaker 2>play in the future of protecting democracies, including our own.

897
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<v Speaker 2>I think this has made it clear that it's not obsolete.

898
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not something that just won the Cold War. It's

899
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<v Speaker 2>something that is beneficial to all the countries that are

900
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 2>in it, and they need to play a part, you know,

901
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:08.840
<v Speaker 2>to promote Trump's whites. It's not just get behind the

902
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>US and we'll protect everybody. We will, but you got

903
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<v Speaker 2>to do your part. You got to bring you got

904
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<v Speaker 2>to bring your game to the to the fight, and

905
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<v Speaker 2>that means to build up your own defenses, which now

906
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 2>they clearly are and standing unified when it comes to

907
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the autocracy of the world like Putin and and showing

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00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.280
<v Speaker 2>unifying unity.

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