1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve sec breakdown. Top of Jell 2 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:04,480 Tofts Bridge is here with you. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,599 Speaker 2: As we give you a. 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Comprehensive look around at both the Big Twelve and Southeastern Conferences. 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,759 We begin each week as we do with our hot takes, 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,559 and tom all start. I know I'll always give you 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,879 a hard time about giving a hot take involving Oklahoma 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,039 State because sometimes it comes off that's like the only 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,239 team you know. But I'll say this, I'm actually gonna 10 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:31,199 get ahead on this. I'm gonna beat you to it. 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,119 I'm gonna go with a hot take involving Oklahoma State here. 12 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:36,399 Speaker 2: I think that. 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,719 Speaker 1: Utah is in for a rude awakening this weekend in 14 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:44,359 their first ever Big Twelve game. I don't think they're 15 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:46,840 ready for what's ahead of them. Cam Rising coming off 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,560 the injury. He's expected to play, but is he one 17 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:52,520 hundred percent healthy? That remains to be seen. I know 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,359 Utah is a slight favorite, but it's going to be 19 00:00:55,399 --> 00:00:57,679 a hot, humid day in still Water. 20 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:01,719 Speaker 3: This is the game time at least. 21 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: This is the biggest game of the year for Oklahoma State. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,959 This is their Bedlham game essentially. Now they've been hearing 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,719 all the yapping about Utah and how Utah is supposed 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,439 to come in and win the Big Twelve and be 25 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:18,640 the team in Oklahoma State, historically speaking, has been the 26 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,920 best of the Big Twelve programs that remain right now. 27 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:25,680 Oklahoma State coming off a strong performance against Tulsa last week. 28 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,120 Alan Bowman looked really good, the offensive line looked good. 29 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:29,879 Speaker 2: Defense and everything. 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: They had their emotional win in overtime against Arkansas a 31 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:38,519 couple weeks ago. I think the Pokes send a message 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,000 against Utah. I don't expect them to blow them out, 33 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:44,680 but I think for everything we've heard about Utah being 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,359 this physical football team and they were bringing physicality to 35 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:51,079 the Big Twelve, I think Oklahoma State's gonna punch him 36 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:51,799 in the mouth a little bit. 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,799 Speaker 2: I like OSU to win. 38 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a blowout by any stretch, but 39 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:59,640 I think OSU makes a statement, delivers the statement win 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,359 against you, Utah. 41 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:06,599 Speaker 3: Here, I'm I'm interested in in your response there. And 42 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:10,840 Cam Rising, you know, they they didn't really Now I 43 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:14,120 know Cam Rising got hurt during the game, they didn't 44 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:16,360 really put the hurt on Baylor that I thought they 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,039 were going to uh And like I said again, I 46 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,960 knew that Cam Rising got hurt during that game. You 47 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:28,560 get Zach Wilson's brother in the game they have. I 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,240 wouldn't call it necessarily a scare, but I think Utah, 49 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:35,240 if you're a Utah fan, you were a little bit 50 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:37,680 more nervous than you should have been against Utah State. 51 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:42,280 And they they played a great game. Yeah, I just 52 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:45,360 got out Utah State. They did what they tried the 53 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:49,280 need to do and and they they had a great game. Yeah. 54 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,199 But in the same right, Cam Rising is gonna play 55 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 and Oshu, like you said, they had their they had 56 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:00,879 their emotional game. It's not like that coming off of 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,319 a hangover. They haven't left the state for a game yet. 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,280 They won't leave the state per game until the next 59 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:13,439 week against KSE State in Manhattan. That worries me, But 60 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:15,719 I think you're absolutely right. I don't think they're gonna 61 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:18,360 put a hurt on them. But for all the hype 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,599 that Utah had, I think I think in the first 63 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,840 three games, you don't look at one of those games 64 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,680 and say they're not beatable. 65 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:30,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom, where are you going with your hot tach 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,039 this week? 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,319 Speaker 3: You know you chose my team, Jones, I'm gonna choose 68 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,319 your team. A lot has been said about Jaylen Daniels, 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,759 Jeff Grimes and this KU team. They go to Morgantown 70 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:46,439 this weekend. That's not a that's not an easy task. 71 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:49,280 It never is. I don't care if Utah is the 72 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:55,000 shittiest in America. It's never an easy task to go 73 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:59,560 there and win. I don't know exactly what time that game. 74 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,039 Speaker 2: Is Central time, twelve Eastern in Morgantown. 75 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:09,719 Speaker 3: So earlier game you don't. You don't play nighttime in Morgantown, 76 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:16,480 which seemingly seems almost more difficult because all the fans 77 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:23,480 are moonshined up. This is where I think Jyalen Daniels 78 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,199 bounces back. I think this is the game. This is 79 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,319 the first conference game. You get those little shitty games 80 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,800 out of the way. I think, And to be fair, 81 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,959 I think after a one and two start, I'm not 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:48,800 so sure. I am not so sure that lance Lettvepold says, 83 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:55,600 you know what, Actually, I'm taking over the play Colin. Yeah, 84 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,279 I think this is where Ky goes. Huh huh. No, 85 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,240 if you focus in this game, Jeff Grimes, if you 86 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:07,279 fuck us in this game, we might be fucked. We 87 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:10,439 have the easier schedule. This is the year that we 88 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,920 can make Arlington. We're not We're not gonna let you decide, 89 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,519 and I'm gonna just I'm the head fucking Haunt show. 90 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:26,240 I'll take it over and and and then we'll see 91 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,560 if if Jeff you know, or not Jeff. If Lance 92 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,079 takes over and does well, then you have your answer. 93 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:37,560 I think at this point it's not a nine to 94 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,439 one one call four O k U, but it's at 95 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:43,160 least an eight one one call. 96 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean think about this time. 97 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,319 Speaker 1: So I got some updates, uh, just today actually from 98 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,120 Mike Vernon, who does a really good job of getting 99 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,879 the scoops on everything going on. And you know, there 100 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,480 is there's a rift in side the program right now, 101 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,959 you know. So Jalen Daniels is making about a million 102 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,279 dollars in an nil money, which is a lot more 103 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:11,560 than everybody else, and that's not sitting well with the 104 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,399 rest of the team. I mean right now, he's really 105 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:18,000 rated as the third worst quarterback according to Pro Football 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,720 Focus among Power Conference qbs, and of one hundred and 107 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:25,439 thirty four teams, there have been just seven quarterbacks worse 108 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:29,199 than Daniels according to PFF, so far this year. That's 109 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,279 not good. Grimes is going to be moving to the 110 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:36,639 booth from the sideline trading spots with quarterbacks coach Jim 111 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,439 Zabrovski this week, and the idea is that it should 112 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:46,360 make Daniels more comfortable and allow Grimes a better vantage 113 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:46,920 point of the game. 114 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,759 Speaker 2: We'll see how it works. 115 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: I think it's a must win game this week, and 116 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:55,519 if the offense sucks, then I think that the wouldn't 117 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:58,959 shock me, honestly if KU just fired Jeff Grimes after 118 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,839 this next week, if they say this is not working, 119 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,360 we got to do something different. We got to save 120 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,199 our season right now. 121 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:10,399 Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to Neil Brown. I think 122 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:14,240 he's and and to be fair, to be fair, I 123 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,639 think it's gonna be a close game. What we've seen 124 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,279 from in two weeks from Neil Brown, what we've seen 125 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,360 he can play close games against maybe a little bit 126 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:29,160 superior opponents. You it's up in the air if you 127 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:34,720 want to say that was superior. Yeah, I don't think 128 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,399 they played that horrible of a game considering the talent 129 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,199 level on pins State. I don't think it was. It 130 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,720 wasn't good, but it wasn't that bad. They should have 131 00:07:44,759 --> 00:07:52,160 beaten Pitt and yep, they sure did. I think this 132 00:07:52,399 --> 00:07:55,920 is a turning point for Neil Brown of like, Okay, 133 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,600 if you get b by Kansas like he had a 134 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,000 good year last year, at that point, you're not building 135 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,759 on anything, then what right? 136 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: All right, Let's go through a couple of things real 137 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,319 quick before I take Neil. Well, let's go through a 138 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:15,759 couple of things real quick before we get to our 139 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,879 Big twelve and SEC game slates for this week. 140 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: Conference expansion notes. 141 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, last week the PAC twelve added Boise State, 142 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:31,879 Colorado State, San Diego State, as well as Fresno State. 143 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:40,120 And in response, now we've seen Florida State and Clemson 144 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,919 get in a situation where the ACC that doesn't look 145 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:49,200 great for the Big twelve chances of landing them. According 146 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,000 to multiple reports, Clemson and Florida State are currently negotiating 147 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:59,360 with the ACC to drop their lawsuits in exchange for 148 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:06,120 increase EAS revenue based on ratings, TV ratings and brand value. 149 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,879 So that would be more money for Clemson in Florida State. Tom, 150 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:14,080 I'll say this, you know that's not good news for 151 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,080 the Big Twelve. But with that said, I don't think 152 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,240 it solves everything because North Carolina is still the biggest 153 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:27,039 piece to the AEC puzzle here, and that doesn't necessarily 154 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,360 help North Carolina in this sense. 155 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: And then you. 156 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: Factor in, you know, there's a lot of schools that 157 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,519 are unhappy right now. It's not just Florida State. It's 158 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,679 not just Clemson. It's not just North Carolina. Virginia is 159 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:43,399 not happy, Pit's not happy, Louisville. You know, you go 160 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,720 on down the line here. This might make the Big 161 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:50,639 twelve wait a little bit longer for the destruction of 162 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,960 the ACC, and it might close the door in Florida 163 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,600 State and Clemson for now, But I don't think it 164 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,360 closes the door in those schools long term. 165 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,759 Speaker 3: Now, how can you? Yeah, I don't. I don't think, 166 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,440 to be fair, I don't think you would ever be 167 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:13,679 able to close the door on those two ACC schools 168 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:20,080 long term. But you're not gonna be able to do it, yeah, 169 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,320 I think not long term. Maybe for the next three years, 170 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,320 but like other than that, like now, good good, good 171 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,600 fucking luck, Like you're not gonna be closing You're really 172 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,039 not gonna be closing nothing. 173 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's a temporary solution to a long term problem. Yes, 174 00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:51,279 another thing on the big twelve sec front. I gotta 175 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,840 ask you about Let's go to Austin real quick. When 176 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:57,120 you weres out he's injured. I told you it was 177 00:10:57,159 --> 00:11:00,639 gonna happen. Arch looked phenomenal. Sounds like Quinn's gonna be 178 00:11:00,639 --> 00:11:04,399 out the next two weeks, but Texas plays some bad teams. 179 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,440 Texas number one in the country. Tom Arch could look 180 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,960 incredible the next two weeks, but based on timing here, 181 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,240 I don't think there's anything he can do in these 182 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,799 two weeks to take the job away from Quinn. I 183 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:21,360 expect Quinn to be the starter when uh Texas. 184 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:22,879 Speaker 2: Plays Oh You at Red River in a few weeks. 185 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: Here, I think it's a great opportunity for Arch, But 186 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,639 I would be surprised if we're talking about Arch Manning 187 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,279 taking this job away from Quinn. 188 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:29,879 Speaker 2: You weres here. 189 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: I mean we talked about it before, and we literally 190 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,919 we've we've talked about this. If Quinn wants to get 191 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:42,960 injured and we know he had little he's not super 192 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,519 okay strain the bleak, could he could if they didn't 193 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,960 have Arch and they had you know, dog ship McGee 194 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,399 back there, could Arch play this week? Yeah? He could. 195 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,639 I really do believe he could, and I'm not convinced 196 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,720 that this isn't they don't. 197 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:07,399 Speaker 4: I don't think they want to force Arch out. Arch 198 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,320 is still a great quarterback. Third sorry, Quinn, it is 199 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,639 still a great quarterback. What sold me when Arch ran 200 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:20,120 over the middle for what sixty seven yards? Granted it 201 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,240 was against UTSA, Yeah, that was a Oh hey, I'm 202 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:31,279 pretty good too. Texas has the best quarterback situation maybe ever. 203 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:35,519 Speaker 2: It's good to be Texas. It's good. 204 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have two Heisman odds, Like, look at the odds, 205 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,000 you know, Like I don't want to be ESPN talking 206 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:49,279 about odds, this odds, that pro gambling whatever. But look 207 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,159 what happened to the odds when Arch came in. They like, 208 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:55,759 if you would have put one hundred down on Arch 209 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,879 to win the Heisman before the season started, you would 210 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:01,759 have had like plus thirty seven hundred or something and 211 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,840 drop to like essentially as soon as we got. 212 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:06,159 Speaker 2: In the game. 213 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it changed completely. We'll see what happens there 214 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,360 with Texas. One quick note then the Big twelve sec 215 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:20,679 slate for this week. Tennessee and Arkansas each making news 216 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,320 for their nil collectives. Tennessee adding a ten percent tax 217 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:30,440 next season on their home tickets. That's a talent fee 218 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,720 that goes back to the players. Arkansas is asking every 219 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:37,799 single one of their fans to give an extra one 220 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:43,840 hundred dollars for their NIL fund to help their football program. Tom, 221 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:46,960 I know it. It sucks for the fan. It is 222 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,840 not fun, but hey, this is the cost of doing 223 00:13:49,879 --> 00:13:54,200 business for competing Arkansas at Tennessee. Those are those are 224 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,879 not blue blood programs. They're good football programs, but not great. 225 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:01,519 They're just trying to do what they can to compete. 226 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,919 I know it sucks with a fan, believe me, but 227 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,440 I don't I don't blame these programs for laying everything 228 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,600 out on the line to do what their fans want 229 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:11,639 them to do and compete for championships. You got to 230 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,440 spend to win these days. 231 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: You know what I think about. At first I hated it, 232 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,919 which is like we spend twelve dollars of beer in 233 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,480 the stadium. I think what Arkansas did was cool because, 234 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,799 and the only reason I say this is because they 235 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:36,240 were transparent. I think transparency goes a long, long, long way, 236 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:40,519 and I think OSU is kind of on the cusp 237 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:46,720 of that transparency because they tried to do the QR. 238 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,679 I know you don't like DR code, but Oshu said, hey, listen, 239 00:14:51,399 --> 00:14:54,720 we can only do so much. Here's here's what we 240 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:58,240 got right, here's the QR codes we've given them. We're 241 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,440 gonna give you every opportunity to to send money here. 242 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,399 Gandhi already talked about that. His ego is zeke Bo 243 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:12,080 Kid and said, and he said, we can only we 244 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,320 can only do so much. And the only reason why 245 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,200 we have this kid is because he was cheap. 246 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:17,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, and. 247 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: Gandhi says a lot of crazy, wild stuff, but he 248 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,559 wasn't wrong about that. He just said, the only reason 249 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,120 why we got him because he's cheap. Yeah, he was 250 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:29,080 transparent about it. 251 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:32,799 Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's keep this under five minutes, real quick, 252 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:35,799 big twelve sec slate this week, rapid fire. We'll go 253 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,200 through these real fast. Houston Cincinnati this week. That game 254 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,279 in Cincinnati. I don't think either one of these teams 255 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:44,120 are very good. Cincinnati's at home. I think Cincinnati's gonna 256 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,320 be fine. Kansas, Kansas and West Virginia, we already talked 257 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,600 about that game earlier. We both feel like this is 258 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:55,200 a bounce back opportunity for Kansas must win games. Iowa 259 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,759 State should be fine against Arkansas State, the twenty two 260 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:02,039 point favorites. Then we have Texas Tech taking on Arizona State. 261 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,559 Texas Tech at home, Arizona State going to Lubbock for 262 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,440 the first time. Tom, I like Arizona State here, and 263 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,360 the reason why is I like Kenny Dillingham a whole 264 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,600 lot more than I do Joey McGuire. Arizona State's three 265 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,759 and zero. I think their first big twelve game, they 266 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:19,879 get a big twelve win here. 267 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,879 Speaker 3: I think so too, I take I take Dillingham over 268 00:16:24,039 --> 00:16:24,919 McGuire any day. 269 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,799 Speaker 1: Utah Oklahoma State. We talked about that earlier. Both you 270 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,039 and I like Oklahoma State. 271 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: There. TCU taking on SMU, TCU a three point favorite 272 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:35,840 on the road. 273 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,559 Speaker 1: I saw that SMU team first hand a couple of 274 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:41,039 weeks ago, Tom, that is not a very good team. 275 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,320 I know it's a rivalry game TCU. I like their offense. 276 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: I like Hoover. 277 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,679 Speaker 1: I think TCU three points not enough. I like them 278 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:49,960 to win by a decent amount here. 279 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: I mean for TCU, they summed a horrible loss last week. 280 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,720 They hadn't wrapped up against UCF. I think you either 281 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:03,080 get SMU coming out to bang on him or TCU 282 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:04,359 coming out to make a statement. 283 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,279 Speaker 1: Baylor taking on Colorado. Colorado gotta win last week against 284 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:12,680 Colorado State. Baylor's sitting at two and one this game 285 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,839 in Boulder, Tom. I don't feel great about either one 286 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,920 of these teams, but I think Colorado is going to 287 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,279 win some games like they did last week because they 288 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,480 just have way more talent than the team they're facing. 289 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,400 I think Colorado wins this one. I don't think it's pretty, 290 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,440 but Baylor just doesn't have the dogs to hang with 291 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,200 Shador and Travis Hunter and those guys I think. 292 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: I don't think they have the talent. I think David 293 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:39,759 and is on a little comeback. I'm a savet Baylor. 294 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,559 Speaker 1: And then Case State takes on BYU. KSE State's first 295 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:48,559 ever trip to Provo A late kick. Case State coming 296 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:50,720 off a big win against Arizona last week. 297 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 2: I expect KSE. 298 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: State to win that game with these and have a 299 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,720 good showing there. Florida taking on Mississippi State. I think 300 00:17:58,759 --> 00:17:59,960 this is it for Billy Napier. 301 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: I don't think. 302 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,319 Speaker 1: Mississippi State's a very good team, but I don't see 303 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:06,519 Mississippi State losing at home. I think Mississippi State wins. 304 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:12,000 Billy Napier gets the pink slip. On Sunday, Kentucky should 305 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,079 take care of business against Ohio. LSU big favorites against UCLA. 306 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,039 LSU should beat the crap out of them. LSU didn't 307 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:21,640 look too great last week, but they had a nice 308 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,759 comeback win on the road there against South Carolina. Auburn 309 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:26,960 takes on Arkansas. I don't think either one of these 310 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,000 teams are that great. Auburn's at home looks better last 311 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 week against New Mexico. I like Auburn to win there. 312 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,000 Missoo taking on Vandy. Miszoo had a little bit of 313 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:39,400 a scare against BC. I think Miszoo twenty point favorites 314 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,640 should be able to kick the hell out of Vandy there. 315 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,079 Tennessee and Ou primetime game on ABC. I'm gonna be there. 316 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,400 College Game Day is gonna be there, Tom. Oklahoma is 317 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,480 not the team Tennessee is. This is a mismatch in 318 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:58,640 every way, offense, defense, probably even coaching. To be honest, 319 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,480 I'd take hype overfitables. I think that Oklahoma is going 320 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:05,319 to be playing off the energy. It's gonna be an 321 00:19:05,319 --> 00:19:09,400 incredible environment for Josh Heipel's homecoming. But I think this 322 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:11,640 is one where Tennessee pulls away in the fourth quarter 323 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,480 here and they could win this one by ten or more. 324 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 3: Ye have little no faith. 325 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: I'm being honest. I'm being really fair. 326 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,599 Speaker 3: No, you and Jose will be at that game. 327 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: Yep. 328 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: One that I don't like. I think Baylor could surprise Colorado, 329 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,160 and I think Mississippi State does get the job done. 330 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,960 Other than that, I agree with you Texas Ay, Sorry, sorry, 331 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:43,400 I disagree with you on Mississippi State Florida. I think 332 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,799 that's Napier's only other win. 333 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,319 Speaker 1: Okay, Texas A and M taking on Bowling Green they 334 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:51,200 should be fine. 335 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,319 Speaker 2: South Carolina taking on Akron, they should be fine. 336 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: Ole miss should beat the crap out of Georgia Southern, 337 00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:59,039 and I think arch is gonna put on a show 338 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:01,880 on Saturday night against Fulm and get to win there. 339 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: So there you have it. That is our big twelve 340 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:05,960 sec Breakdown four this week. 341 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: Coming up next, Jonathan Hutton have OutKick joins us more 342 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:10,400 to come stay with. 343 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 5: Us, join us now Jones Sport this week. Please do 344 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,240 welcome in from Outkicks Hot Bike. It is at Jonathan 345 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:21,880 Hutton who's back on the program once again? Hunton always 346 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,920 played here at the time we get chicks chat my friend, 347 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:24,440 how we doing. 348 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. Always love coming on the Jones Report. I 349 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,599 appreciate the invite. 350 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: Yes, Hunton, we are now officially SEC brethren. I guess 351 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:40,319 with Alma play their first SEC game this week against Tennessee. 352 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,839 Texas will play their first SEC game next week against 353 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,839 Mississippi State. Just from your vantage point, everything you've heard, 354 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,519 How's how real is the excitement right now about what's 355 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:54,279 happening in the SEC six teams the top seven first 356 00:20:54,319 --> 00:20:54,759 time ever. 357 00:20:55,519 --> 00:20:58,279 Speaker 2: Seems like that things are as good as ever right now. Yeah, man, 358 00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:01,839 I mean I look, Texas is doing their part. Oklahoma 359 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,440 has a chance now to be a part of the conversation. 360 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:08,599 I felt like, I don't know if you agree. You 361 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,240 know the Texas Oklahoma comes in the SEC, it's been 362 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:14,039 more about Texas. I hear a lot about Texas, rightfully. 363 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:16,759 So they're a good team. Oklahoma's now taking center stage 364 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:20,160 at a national, national stage with a chance to take 365 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,079 out from their first SEC opponent, the Tennessee Volunteers. It'll 366 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,079 be a good game. It's gonna be fun in Norman 367 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,079 on Saturday. Those types of atmospheres play into what the 368 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,599 SEC is known for. The pageantry, right, like the true 369 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,960 college football game day experience, and all part of that 370 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,880 game day experience is the best football you're watching. Top 371 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,799 to bottom. The SEC is, I think is powerful in 372 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:50,759 terms of just talent and coaching and just overall depth 373 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,559 then we've seen in a while. I think the gap 374 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,119 is a bit wider this year with the SEC compared 375 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,400 to the other conferences. And I would say, you know, 376 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,480 Alabama goes on the road and beats Wisconsin. Wisconsin is 377 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:06,480 not a you know, the national power, but they're a 378 00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:09,079 mid tier team that you could compare to. I don't 379 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:12,000 know in Arkansas. Is that a good comparison. They're certainly 380 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,720 they're certainly better than Florida. Point being, Alabama went on 381 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,480 the road in the Big Ten and did that. Meanwhile, 382 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:21,880 you got Texas doing that to Michigan. Yeah, I mean 383 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,279 it's it's impressive and we're just getting started with it. 384 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:26,960 As we get into the heart of SEC play, it's 385 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,319 gonna be a blast. Yeah. 386 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,079 Speaker 1: And when you look at this game Saturday for Oklahola BA, Yeah, 387 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:35,279 here is what would be a big deal anyway, playing 388 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:38,000 your first SEC game, Sure, but to do it against 389 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,680 this Tennessee team that looks so good right now, you 390 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,119 could argue that could be maybe the most complete team 391 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,480 in the country. And then the other factor of Josh 392 00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:50,279 hipel making is long away to return to Norman here, 393 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,559 there's so many storylines win or lose. 394 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: I've said this already. This is gonna be a game 395 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,640 that that OU fans. 396 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 5: And Tennessee fans quite frankly, are gonna remember, I think 397 00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,519 for a long time. 398 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,759 Speaker 2: Sure, And I mean you could make the argument that 399 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:06,039 the winner, if OU wins, their flip flop in some 400 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,359 maybe not all the way to number six, but close. 401 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,160 I mean, they're getting into the top ten with a win. Look, 402 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:16,240 Tennessee's on fire. They've outscored their opponents one hundred ninety 403 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,720 one to thirteen through three games. This is their first 404 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,839 true road game SEC debut for Oklahoma. To me, the 405 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,680 fire and the emotion and the crowd helps OU in this. 406 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,200 The Sooners, I know, are still trying to find their way, 407 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,200 you know, with Jackson Arnold and you know that things 408 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,559 have to come together quickly. But I look at this 409 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,359 as a possession type game. Valls are okay, with you know, 410 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:49,160 taking it down the field fast. Meanwhile, I think with ou, hey, 411 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,400 get ready to maybe still a possession or two on 412 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:58,079 side kick, get a turnover, figure out a way to 413 00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:00,240 go down and score, get a quick early he could 414 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:02,519 be a field goal and get the ball back. And 415 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,960 then you start to to play with the leading You 416 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,400 can play your style of game. Can oh you do that? 417 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:12,079 You have to stay within reach because Tennessee if you 418 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,519 and oh he's been good about not turning the football. 419 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,359 If they do, Tennessee is going to to uh have 420 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:20,680 an opportunity for Hypel to to run up the scoreboard 421 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,640 a bit. And they're trying to act like there's no 422 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,960 big deal with this. Come on, uh, this this is uh, 423 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:33,440 this is impactful. This is uh. This is a memorable 424 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,759 chance to put your your your stamp on on your 425 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,559 on your time back as a head coach. Yeah, he 426 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:43,200 Hypel wants this one, and the players know it. I 427 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,519 think so. 428 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: And we we know about the story of you know, 429 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,400 when he was oc in Oklahoma and you know treated 430 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,319 as the uh, the the guy that took the blame 431 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,960 ultimately got fired even though it wasn't necessaryil his fault. 432 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,839 Everything that went on and he's rebounded since it had 433 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,720 this successful co coaching career. And I think about this 434 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,160 Hunton that you know, Josh Hippel loves the fan base. 435 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,599 He's going to be embraced. I think I would expect 436 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,119 a standing ovation for him. But with everything that went 437 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,440 on behind the scenes, yes, and for. 438 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 5: How he was treated there, I would expect that this 439 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,359 is personal for Josh Hippel, nothing against the fan base 440 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,559 at all, but to kind of kind of stick it 441 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,359 to Oklahoma of you know, hey, hey, Brent Vinnible's the 442 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,400 head coach right now that very well could have been 443 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,240 Josh Hippel there. 444 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: Sure. I mean, and consider if they make the move 445 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:39,960 with Stoops's brother instead of Hypel. He's the air parent 446 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,920 to Bob Stoops and he's probably still coaching there. You know, 447 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:47,279 as good as things have been, you know, Vinibles was 448 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,119 the DC whenever he was the quarterback there. There's so 449 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,960 many connections here and you know there's still like there 450 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,200 he Hypel. I think he's been okay talking about it 451 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,839 this week. You know, Bob Stoops put out that statement 452 00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,119 saying he wasn't going to take any to me. It's 453 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,079 there's still friction. You know, we had a guest on 454 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,359 this week who told us? And see if you agree, 455 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,960 like the relationship may may not be repaired, but it's 456 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,359 under construction. If that's true, If I'm if I'm Stoops 457 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,319 and that's that statement's true, do a few interviews and 458 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,319 put the guy over, you know, let let hypel hear you, 459 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,039 because you know that now the question is he's gonna 460 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:27,720 be down the field for this two thousand year, two 461 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:31,039 thousand team reunion. My guess is yes, and you better 462 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,000 believe the cameras are going to be on that that meeting. 463 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,119 Oh absolutely it will be. 464 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,839 Speaker 1: And Bob Stoops too, is the guy that does interviews 465 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:40,799 all the time, So that's god of character for him 466 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,279 not to write not to be talking about this situation 467 00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,640 the Tennessee team. Like, I look at Nico and I 468 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,759 know that he's still what you know, red shirt freshman. Yeah, 469 00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:54,599 looks so fantastic here, and you know he's obviously a 470 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,759 Heisman contender of the talent around him. I mean, for 471 00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:59,880 this being what week four of the college football season, 472 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,000 Tennessee team looks like that they're ready to compete for 473 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,119 a title right now. 474 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: This team already looks playoff ready. Tell me about Nico. 475 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,079 What he's done to this Oh, I mean, he's come 476 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,319 in and he's he's he's got the moxie, he's got 477 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,519 the arm strength and all that, but he has the 478 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:20,839 ability to anticipate certain throws and and throw guys open. 479 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,240 That to me is the big difference in what we've 480 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,200 seen there compared And I'm thinking about last year Tyler, 481 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,240 and I'm thinking, man, dude could have played last year, yeah, 482 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,079 you know, and and what he could have done. They 483 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,559 get the extra year by red trick whatever. He's he's 484 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,319 really good. He looks like a five star quarterback and 485 00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:42,839 the stage so far has not been too big for him. 486 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,839 But again, first true road trip, and you know, he's 487 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,799 They blitz Craig NC State, who I didn't think was 488 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:51,880 that good. But the other two teams are kits State 489 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,359 and Chattanooga. There's a lot we don't know right now 490 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,119 about the college football landscape. Because of these early games. 491 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,200 We find out about Tennessee, we find out about go 492 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,240 on the road in a tough environment. And I would 493 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,000 also say we find out about this Tennessee defense because 494 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,680 that's also a part of the Nico success. The defense 495 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,559 gets the ball back and they're often running. There's a 496 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,920 pass rush. The number two d in the nation that 497 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,839 you know you've got in Tennessee and legit NFL talent, 498 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,440 and they're deep up front, they get the football. They 499 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,119 it's not like they get a turn of sacks. I 500 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,880 don't even know if they had a sack last week 501 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,440 against Kent State and what was a seventy one nothing 502 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,920 beat down. But Nico, you know, they put up a 503 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,599 ton of yards and a ton of points and he 504 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,079 knows the offense. It's not like they're they're you know, 505 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:45,559 they're slowly unveiling him and trying to bring him along 506 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,480 and install things throughout the season. It's not that this 507 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,119 dude's a legit starter. And if they go down and 508 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,920 play the way they did against NC State against Oklahoma, 509 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,240 he's going to have the same type of buzz nationally 510 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,440 that arch Manning had last week when he took the 511 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640 stage and we saw the Heisman odds really change. 512 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,759 Speaker 5: Well, and I look at what's so interesting for me 513 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,319 with that quarterback group. Nico, Jackson Rrel came out the 514 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,200 same year Nico was highly doubted. Jackson Ole was the 515 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,599 Gamerbaye Player of the Year, and arch Manning also in 516 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,039 that same class as well, and we're gonna see Arch 517 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,400 get his first career start this weekend. I'm intrigued to 518 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,079 see kind of a measuring stick right now. Okay, how 519 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:28,920 does Jackson stack up to Nico? How far have they 520 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,680 each come along? And then Archs in that same sense too. 521 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:36,119 I feel like these three all have NFL aspirations. We're 522 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:39,319 going to be following them as a collective. It's a 523 00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,640 trio for for a long time. Really kind of starts 524 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,480 this weekend here. 525 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: And and the the evaluation of how these young these 526 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:53,759 young talents handle their opportunity under pressure, uh, literally and figuratively. 527 00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:55,759 You know, there's always a weight on them anyway, with 528 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:59,640 expectation in IL money all that, uh, but the literal 529 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,920 pressure sure from Oklahoma's front. You know, like what six 530 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,359 takeaways against Temple, Yeah, two against Houston, two more against Tulane. 531 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,440 I believe the pressure upfronts where that starts. Nico is 532 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,440 going to face some heat. Can Oklahoma force him to 533 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,720 hurry a little bit? He hasn't been under that type 534 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:24,200 of duress, so you know when they've got a more 535 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,839 of a They have a young offensive line at certain spots, 536 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,119 but they do have veteran talent, you know, spread out 537 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,240 at some nice there's a nice balance there. Can Oklahoma 538 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,920 disrupt that. The Tennessee front has been good, but again, 539 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,359 it's tough to gauge, and I think it's tough to 540 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,759 gauge this Oklahoma team as well. And I think it's 541 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:49,400 a great balance to see where Oklahoma is and where 542 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,680 Tennessee is. Quite frankly, there have been years where they 543 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640 look great and they stub their toe along the way. 544 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,480 You know, this is not new to the program. Twenty 545 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,559 twenty two was really good with Hinndon Hooker, but they 546 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,319 lose on the road at South Carolina and they lose 547 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:11,799 Hendon Hooker to an acl Josh Heipel's team here better. 548 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,279 It's better than twenty twenty two. Depth wise. This is 549 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,400 the deepest team I've seen in Tennessee in a long 550 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,319 time since probably Albert Hainsworth and John Henderson. We're playing, 551 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,160 you know, around that era. It's been a while. They 552 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,599 It starts up front of defense, and they have a 553 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:34,000 true talent at quarterback, as does Oklahoma. You know. The 554 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,279 benefit for Arnold gets to play at home. He gets 555 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,759 that juice of welcome to the SEC. I love it all. 556 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,599 Speaker 1: Right, do too, And speaking of this, welcome to the SEC, 557 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,720 Oklaholma in Texas. I don't know how you feel hot, 558 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,960 but with everything that's changed in college football when it 559 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,200 comes from all realignments, I feel like to this day 560 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,119 that Oklahoma and Texas are by far the best additions 561 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,319 than any one of these conferences and the only natural fits. 562 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,559 We'll see first Oklahoma hoasting an SEC game, what that's 563 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,880 like and everything, but I mean everything that's gone on 564 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,480 with the Big Ten and the ACC and now we 565 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,799 see what the Pac twelve is trying to rebuild and everything. 566 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,559 This is still to me, I know, you feel the 567 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:20,359 only one that even makes sense and it has some 568 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,200 real momental here. 569 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: I feel like Oklahoma and Texas are natural with the SEC. Yeah, 570 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,480 it's it's a perfect match. And you're right, it's a 571 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,920 great point. I mean, uh, you've got the region, the 572 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,960 natural fits, yes, and it is. It is a mic 573 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,680 drop to add two. When you see the Big Ten 574 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,680 adding four, you see the ACC scrambling, you see the 575 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,519 Big twelve surviving in the PAC twelve collapsing. Because Greg 576 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,559 Saiki was like, no, we're good, We're good with what 577 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,480 we have. Just added two, you know, and that's that's 578 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,880 the two they needed, don't need anybody else. And this 579 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,960 was whenever Florida State was trying to move around, what 580 00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,079 was gonna happen with Notre Dame all this talk, No, 581 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,319 we're good, we're not going to expand I didn't really 582 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:03,720 believe him at the time because everybody was moving. But 583 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,839 looking back on it, yeah, they're they're good. They're they're 584 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,920 controlling where we're headed across college football. And you got 585 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,359 the powers from the South, powers at Texas and Oklahoma 586 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,519 and the money programs across the SEC that continue to dominate. 587 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:21,519 Now you've got two other programs that had been there 588 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,240 and done that as well. Yeah, yeah, certainly so. 589 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,119 Speaker 5: And now going from here with with where these schools 590 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,680 stack up here the future of the SEC. 591 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:38,039 Speaker 2: You know, I expect there to be expansion eventually. 592 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, but this league has at such a position of 593 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,680 strength they don't have to add anybody. I'm very curious 594 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,480 when they do expand what's the strategy. Do you even 595 00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:48,519 need any more football powers or are you going to start? 596 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: But that's I think the next expansion is like a 597 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,559 super conference where you have divisions and you just kind 598 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,839 of merge everybody like sixty five teams or whatever, and 599 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,559 you have a super League, but it's still the SEC. 600 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,960 Like the value of the value of the programs they 601 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:10,559 have compared to like the ACC is just trying to 602 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,960 to to to hold on right Florida State wants to 603 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,519 abandon ship because monetarily they don't feel like they can 604 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,039 survive because well, the other powers are the two other conferences. 605 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,079 But top to bottom, like the depth of the quality 606 00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:31,320 of play in the SEC, Like the middle program, whether 607 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,840 you want to call that Arkansas, Kentucky, uh in some 608 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,559 some some years it's l s U, some years it's 609 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,079 uh Ole Miss. Recently they're much better now, like they've 610 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,119 leveled up. There's a different shelf that those two programs 611 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,519 are on. But mid tier you know, should be Florida 612 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:54,880 it's not, and it should be Auburn it's not. But 613 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,960 that there's a there's a quality to those programs when 614 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,840 you start looking around in Yenna is on the hot streak, great, 615 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,840 but if you look at the Big ten, it's not 616 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,719 like you're scared to play Maryland, where you're scared to 617 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,840 go on the road against Minnesota, Like it's just a 618 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,000 different vibe there. That's why you have to add more programs. 619 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:14,440 You have to bring in USC and Oregon because you 620 00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,800 need that stability, and it adds more programs to the 621 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,480 top shelf, which no other programs of the Big ten 622 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:26,000 were doing. We've seen other programs. You know, Alabama's trying 623 00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,199 to keep their spot, Tennessee's leveling up, and you start 624 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,000 looking around, going ment Ole miss is really good. LSU 625 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,960 continues to find a way to win. South Carolina goes 626 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,719 on the road, beats Kentucky for a battle of the middle. 627 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,039 The good but not great. You've even got the Vandy. 628 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,920 I didn't see it coming, beating Virginia Tech early again. 629 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,159 The storylines always right themselves in the Southeastern Conference, it's 630 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:53,000 a blast, it is. How do you see this league 631 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,599 shaping out? 632 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 5: Georgia was obviously the favorites and had a bit of 633 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,480 a scare last weekainst Kentucky. 634 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,599 Speaker 2: Are they still the team debater or is it someone else? 635 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,400 It's still Georgia top to bottom. I mean, the the 636 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,719 the number of four and five star talent there is insane. 637 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,719 They you know, it's just the expectation is different there, 638 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,760 and and you know every week is different. Like for 639 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,480 whatever reason, Mark Stoops has always defended Georgia really well. Mhm. 640 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,480 For whatever reason, Alabama has always recently struggled against South Florida. 641 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,119 You know, like there's a there's really no rhyme or 642 00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:38,760 reason to it, but you always look for those upset moments. 643 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,599 I didn't think Kentucky was We're gonna do that. But 644 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:48,960 you know that Georgia survives because Mark stoops punts uh 645 00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:52,880 down one in Georgia territory with three minutes to go. 646 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,679 I mean, I don't think they're giving him raises to 647 00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,679 do that. That that was a godsend for for Georgia. 648 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,639 And by the way, it didn't save their season. There's 649 00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:08,400 gonna be bumps along the way. But you can have 650 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,559 two or three losses and get into college football playoff. 651 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,159 Now in the Southeastern Conference, I don't know. I don't 652 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,639 think there's another conference where I can say a three 653 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,400 loss team making a legitimate case for being better than 654 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,360 the third best team in another conference. 655 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that. One more 656 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,719 thing in the college football front. Then we'll move on 657 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,280 here with Tennessee. Make you some news this week about 658 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,400 the the added tax, if you will, on their fans, 659 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,360 a talent fee. What do you make of that news 660 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,599 and what's going on there with Tennessee next year? 661 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's where I mean, I give them 662 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,639 credit for being honest and upfront and blunt about what 663 00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,920 they're doing. You know, the ten the ten percent talent tax, 664 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,400 so right there was already going to raise season ticket prices. 665 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,159 They were already going to do this by four percent. 666 00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,599 They're adding ten percent more. So you know, Bass fans 667 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:02,719 are going to pay fourteen percent more at an increase 668 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,679 next season, uh for their season tickets. Look, the money 669 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,719 can come from elsewhere. They're there. This is this is 670 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,800 not just a Tennessee issue. But you know, Arkansas can't 671 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,239 go do this right now. They're not at the level 672 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,159 of where the fan base is like, oh yeah, well 673 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,719 we're all on board. Let's let's let's pony up. It's 674 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,360 time to tithe like we're going to you know, worship service. 675 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,559 Only certain programs can unveil it the way Tennessee did. 676 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:32,800 I think you can call it whatever you want to 677 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,840 call it. You know, to me, it's the the it's 678 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,480 the equivalent of the the QR code on the elements 679 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,119 that didn't pass. This is basically the same thing it's 680 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,519 just going to the fund through the university instead of 681 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:51,639 direct to a fund to that specific player. Uh, the 682 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,559 university continues to control the money. That's what they want 683 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,679 that collectives stay happy because the university is happy. Everybody gets, 684 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,880 you know, a piece of the pie. But you could 685 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,039 do things different. Stop giving all these heavy buyouts to 686 00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,440 coaches who are paid to fail. Forty two to forty 687 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,679 five percent of the athletic budget, the average power for 688 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,159 conference right now goes to coaches, administrators and staff that 689 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:19,840 are no longer with the program paid to fail. You know, 690 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,920 Florida is about to pay billion Napier millions to leave 691 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,599 and it's ridiculous. That's where the that's where the money's going. 692 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,880 Like the average budget for the player is nine percent, right, 693 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,119 and so when you look at the forty two percent 694 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,400 of the budget being for coaches that are even there. 695 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,159 That's the issue is Jimmy Sex to negotiating these contracts 696 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,519 that are very friendly to the coach and the buyout 697 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,280 if if the coach were to leave in the case 698 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,960 of Ryan Day, it's like forty six million to fire him. 699 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,000 If he were to take another job, it's like a 700 00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,599 five million dollar buyouts isn't. It's a huge lopsided deal 701 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,760 and it's only getting worse that. That's the huge glaring 702 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,840 weakness of where the money's going. But they're pointing to 703 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,079 nil because the money that was circulating through the university 704 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,840 and through the program the Eflectic Department, those are the 705 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,800 same donors and sponsors that are now doing this through 706 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,199 the collective. But the university wants to keep the money 707 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,639 flowing the same direction. They're able to do this by 708 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:31,239 putting the tax on there, and other other programs are 709 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,480 going to follow. But Tyler, they're not going to be 710 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:36,800 as it's not going to be a talent tax, right right, 711 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,880 They're going to come up with another way to uh 712 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,800 to put that on the on the bill. The word 713 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,199 it differently pr wise. I mean, it's the nature of 714 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,400 doing business. You can paid to win, Yeah, but at 715 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,679 some point, like what's the the consumer always ends up 716 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:57,400 paying for it, right right? You know it's uh, it's 717 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,159 not going to go down, but if it does, it 718 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,039 at some point the bubble bursts. But it's it's college 719 00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:08,079 football that can put one hundred thousand butts in the 720 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:13,679 seats every Saturday. You know, that's that's the that's the 721 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,639 difference in the power of those programs and then everyone 722 00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,760 else who relies on those programs to make budget and 723 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,760 to actually keep their athletic department funded by playing those teams. Yeah, 724 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,280 it's college football's version of inflation, is what it is. 725 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,599 That's it. Yeah, you're right. 726 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hunt and Plug Away. Tell people where they can 727 00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,199 find you and all the stuff you do without kick Man. 728 00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Co host with Chad Withrow Hot, Mike with Hutton Withrow. 729 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,079 OutKick dot com slash watch is where we stream live 730 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,840 each and every day. We're on the other social media platforms. 731 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,400 Just search out OutKick. I'm on social you can chime 732 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000 in and give your take with me, but certainly welcome that. 733 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,880 At Hunt and OutKick, we're live each and every day 734 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,840 four pm Eastern. Just search out Hot, Mic and OutKick, 735 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,760 and you can download the pop guests as well. Check 736 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,679 it out. We're sports but Tyler, as you know, it's 737 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,239 Chad and myself. We we more or less talk about 738 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,800 whatever we would talk about at the bar that day. Yeah, 739 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,039 and we do the show live from a bar, so 740 00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:13,599 it's uh, it doesn't suck. I'm in the playground of life. 741 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,360 I love it. Hut and appreciate the time, my friend, 742 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,239 we'll talk end down the line. Thanks for joining us man, 743 00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:19,519 Thank you appreciate it.