Speaker 1: There was some sightings in Lakeworth, I think in summer
of nineteen sixty nine. My mom and dad whenever they
were dating, it was at the Casino Park and Ballroom
off Lakeworth. It was like a little bitty like almost
like a state fair that had roller coasters, that had
dance halls and stuff like that. My mom and dad
went to the ballroom to go to a dance. As
they arrived, she told me there was hundreds of people
just running out. And if you were to look up
the Casino Park and Ballroom off of Lakeworth, they have
a ballroom. In the back of the ballroom is like
a big old windows and it overlooks the lake. And
the people that were running out were shouting goat man.
To my mom and dad, they said they had there
were the people that were dancing close to the windows
could see a Lakeworth monster, the goat man or whatever,
and they all ran out.
Speaker 2: This is big Foot Crossroads.
Speaker 3: My name is Matt.
Speaker 2: Joining me are my two best buds, Bob and Steven
of big Foot Club. Guys, thanks for joining me. Have
you ever thought about changing the name of the show
to something with bs in the title?
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't say that I thought of that now.
Speaker 2: Just you know, your initials being ah, oh yeah, Bob
and Stevens, you'd be like weird bs.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I think.
Speaker 1: I think we have a somewhat of a cult following now,
you know, with Bigfoot Club, and so we're kind of
like the way I look at it, and a lot
of people don't know this, we're like the anti heroes
of the cryptid world. You know, we're not good guys.
We're not bad guys. We're somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 2: So what have you guys been talking about lately on
your show?
Speaker 1: We've actually gone out of the spectrum a little bit.
We had a TikToker that was really really famous, and
we've had we've had some paranormal paranormal investigator, paranormal guy
that had a website. So it's it's just it's been
a collectic of different stuff, some bigfoot people, some paranormal people,
some famous TikTokers though some authors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to get your guys take on goat
man because goat man is something that, for one, if
it does in fact exist, is terrifying to me. Two,
it's one of those things that kind of straddles a
bunch of different categories. It's an urban legend, it's a cryptid,
it's paranormal. It's something that exists in a lot of
different places and seems to have certain characteristics that follow
it wherever it goes. And you guys actually investigated a
pretty famous goat man location, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, well I did?
Speaker 2: You did?
Speaker 1: I did, Stephen wasn't available at the.
Speaker 2: Time, Stephen, that is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm man enough to say that, Yeah, there is
a location near where we live. It's in the Denton,
the Denton area. It's called I'm trying to think of
what was the real name of it.
Speaker 3: It's uh sold Often Bridge Old.
Speaker 1: Autun Bridge, and it's not it's actually driving distance for us.
We can be there, like in twenty minutes. And I
did a podcast there with some of the people of
fin Tech's uh Paranormal Facebook group and it was a
couple of people that were that were with me during
that time, and it was it was right after I
actually started walking Matt, So it was it's kind of
treacherous for me because it's it's not real stable, that
not one of the most the more and the more
stable and it's it's more of a it's more of
a teenage hangout now than it is. I mean, there's
there's there's some paranormal aspects to it, but there's a
ton of teenagers there on the weekends, so it's kind
of it's kind of tough to assess what's really out there.
But I did do a podcast there once, and I
didn't have a lot of stuff happened to me. There
was a few incidents where we he had a spirit
box and we were asking it questions and normally it scans, right,
it scans like its frequencies to get like a verbal
response when you're asking questions, and this thing was beeping.
It was beeping when we were asking questions, beeping, And
I looked at the guy that one that was that
had it, and I go, it's not supposed to do that,
and he goes, yes, I know. And so we were
asking it yes and no questions like you know, one
for yes, two for no, and it was beeping instead
of scanning for some reason, and and we were asking
it if there were demon's presence, and of course it's
you know. It said you know, yes, And then we
asked it if it was going to harm anybody, and
it said yes, and we asked who was it going?
Was it going to be one of us? And it
didn't respond and so and then later within ten minutes, Matt,
there was a there was a group of kids there
and one of them was kind of staring at me,
kind of weird. And my friend that's there, he noticed
it because that guy has looked at you kind of weird.
I said, which one? He said, that real talk kid
over there. So I walked over to him. I go, hey,
I'm big foot Bob.
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: What are you doing out here? And so I confronted
it like right away, and his face was like his
chin was touching his chest and his eyes were looking
straight at me. And as soon as I walked up
to him to address who I was, his facial expression
changed and he just smiled and goes, hey, I'm so
and so and he shook my hand and it's like
he was in the trance.
Speaker 3: And then he got out of it.
Speaker 2: That's creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it was paranormal or not.
So I just introduced myself and said hello to him,
and then we went we went our way doing stuff,
and then we continued that spiritbox still and then we
turned off the spirit box and it kept beeping. And
I turned to the guy and I said, it's not
supposed to do that, and he yes, I know. So
that was that was my deal over at Old Autumn Ridge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would have.
Speaker 4: I would have freaked out if the kid was like
looking like that, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: No, that's not good. But what I think I always
said to myself, I think you did. You did break
the trance? Yeah by that.
Speaker 2: So what's the local lore with the goat man at
that bridge?
Speaker 1: So I don't know that. I can't remember the guy's name,
but there was there was an African American I believe
in the thirties who was a businessman and I think
he did trade goats like and they also called him
the goat something goat oscar washburn oscar washburn good job.
And he was he was hung by the local off
the bridge and he was hung there, and so the
lore is that his spirit is still there. And I
think maybe like a hundred years down the creek bed
that used to be a insane asylum as well. I
don't know the name of it, but that was towed
to me by another paranormal investigator, and so it kind
of encompasses that whole area. It's kind of like it's
got a lot of orbs, it's got a lot of
people who do Satanists cult type of things, and it
just kind of just encompasses all that paranormal activity in
that area at that time.
Speaker 2: So have there been sightings of an actual goat man
at the bridge or is it just known as like
goat Man Bridge.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's just considered just goat Man's Bridge.
I haven't I haven't talked to anybody locally who have
seen a goat man or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Whenever I first joined Pentexts Paranormal Investigations of North Texas,
one of my how I got into the group that
I had to go to Goatman's Bridge and be there
by myself for like five hours. So I did that
and I think I got I think I got a
couple EVPs of like who are you or what are
you or something like that, and it was I didn't
get much.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: Is that like a typical thing for paranormal groups to
put someone through initiation like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was that way for pentexs and you know, and
you know us, you know, because like I was, I
was a bigfoot researcher before that. You know, go into it,
going go into a bridge, you know at night. That's
not a big deal because like we're always in the field,
like in you know, yards and you know, miles and
miles into the woods, and to me, that was that
was easy.
Speaker 3: So it was it wasn't a big deal to me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, typically it is good to do
that because that way you know what type of uh
dedication a person has and that field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just wondering if any bigfoot groups do that.
Like I was never put through any sort of initiation
that I'm aware of.
Speaker 1: I wasn't either with the TVRC, and they.
Speaker 3: Just took me on the initiation.
Speaker 2: Was just going, yeah, that was the initiation, like agreeing
to meet these strangers in the woods somewhere. Yeah, I
think that's enough of initiation. I also wanted to ask
you about another local thing, the Lakeworth Monster mm hmmm,
because it's one of those older things that whenever I
was first getting involved in bigfoot stuff, it was one
of the few things that I was aware of outside
of the Pacific Northwest because it had the famous photograph
attached to it. For people that don't know what it is,
briefly explain what the Lakeworth midster is all about.
Speaker 1: There was there was some sightings in Lake Worth, I
think in summer of nineteen sixty nine, there was some
sightings there and there was a I can't think of
the gentleman's name, but he was he was experiencing some
some bigfoot activity or some uh crypti activity, and I
think he he went out and uh he took a
picture which is on like all all the newspapers of
a backside of a of a of a cryptid and
it's it's white complexed, like you had white hair or
something like that. And I think I think some people
even called it a goat man too as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but yeah, I think it was
originally reported as a goat man. Yeah, maybe because of
the smell if I remember right.
Speaker 3: It could be. It could be. I do.
Speaker 1: I do have an interesting story for with that, Matt
that that hardly anybody knows this story. My mom and
dad whenever there were whenever they were dating, they were dating,
like in the late fifties, early sixties, this happened and
I think late fifties, early sixties. It was at the
Casino Park and Ballroom off Lakeworth and it was it
was it was like a little bitty like almost like
a state fair that had roller coasters, that had dance
halls and stuff like that. And my mom and dad
went to the to the to the ballroom to go
to a dance and as they arrived, she told me
there was hundreds of people just running out. And if
you if you were to look up the Casino Park
and Ballroom off of Lakeworth, they have they have a
ballroom and the back of the ballroom is like as
big old windows and it overlooks the lake. And the
people that were running Now we're shouting goat man to
my mom and dad and they said they had there
were the people that were dancing close to the windows
could see a Lakeworth monster, the goat man or whatever,
and they all ran out, and like my mom was
getting there, it goes, what are they talking about?
Speaker 3: And they just went in.
Speaker 1: There was a very there was a very few amount
of people who stayed and continue dancing. So so my
mom told me that story, and I go, why didn't
you tell me this? Sooner because I don't know, I
didn't even think about.
Speaker 2: It, so I'm racking my brain trying to remember.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 2: Seems like at first there was like descriptions of it,
like you're saying, being called a goat man and everything,
but like it wasn't originally known as like a bigfoot
type thing. It was just kind of a thing covered
in hair and was being called a goat man. I
think some people said it even had scales. And then
there was a guy who kind of tried claiming that
he was responsible for it and was just pulling pranks.
I think like there was another kid, you know, high
schooler that got like a tire thrown at him by
the creature or something, which I don't know how, Like,
I mean, tires aren't easy to throw, Like you can't
just throw a tire at someone. But that photograph, as
far as I'm aware of, has never been debunked.
Speaker 3: Yep. And that's from Alan Plaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just kind of weird that a photograph would
stand up to scrutiny that long as something unexplainable and
nobody having taken credit for it, you know, as you know,
yeah I faked it or that was me in a
costume or why would they even have a costume on?
And it's just kind of a crazy z really kind
of eerie photo because especially with the coloring of it
being you know, all light in color like that, almost white.
I mean, what could it have been if somebody were
faking that? What? What are some of the possible explanations.
Speaker 1: Could be like a stuffed stuffed bear or something like that,
this just stood up or something. But I was kind
of thinking that this was before anybody like had ever
talked about bigfoots are possible bigfoots of being different.
Speaker 3: Colors, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: And this was who who would put a backside of
any animal and take a picture of it, you know,
who would who would catch that? I mean that was
just to me. I've never I've never even seen the
word hoax a tied tied into that picture at all.
Speaker 2: No, It's just something that I've kind of always tossed
around in my head because like, Okay, if it is fake.
If first off, if it's fake, that Alan Plaster guy
that took the photograph would have to be responsible in
some way, which he was never found not to be credible,
you know. Yeah, And then if you were going to
fake something like that. It's kind of a rough thing
because it's kind of like the Paris in film where
everybody's like, well, why would you put breasts on it?
You know, why would you make it female and go
to that trouble, But this to me seems even like
even more so, like why would you use something white
in color? You know, if you've got something like a
fur coat or something, I don't think you'd pick like
white as the color to go with. It just seems
kind of off and like you're saying, so many witnesses
saw the thing, but it also kind of abruptly disappeared,
like people stopped reporting and seeing it all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also wanted to say that you can
probably take an account to that area was probably not
that developed and especially in the fifties, and it is
like it seems like it seems like the more as
time goes the sightings for you know, North Texas, it
kind of moves east a little bit more or north
toward the the Oklahoma border. So I mean, it is
possible that there was a big foot in that area,
maybe scouted in an area, or it was a century
or it was just looking forging for food and then
found out one area and then then moved north or east.
So that's what I was just kind of thinking on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the white ones and lighter color ones are just
really rare, but there's definitely reports of them out there.
And I always thought kind of, like a lot of
people think that it could have been just an old
age thing, like hair changing color like it does with humans.
But there was a report out of Kansas that I
read that, as far as I'm concerned, seemed really legit
kind of odd to associate bigfoot with Kansas, but it happens.
And it was this guy who went to relieve himself.
He was going somewhere. He was on a highway, pulled
off to the side of the road and walked down
this embankment underneath the overpass, and the overpass was going
over a creek, if I remember right, and he wanted,
you know, just to walk down there out of sight
to relieve himself. And he went down there and encountered
a what would be described as a juvenile bigfoot, a
smaller one, but it was white or light gray in
color and was only like four foot tall or something.
And so if that's the case, then it wouldn't be
something age related, it would be Yeah, you know, I
think albinoism would stand out. You know, I think somebody
would recognize that if they were looking at something that
was albino. And I don't think this guy thought it
was an albino of any kind, just that that's what
hair color it had. So I found that kind of
odd because that certainly wouldn't be beneficial for hiding from
humans to have light colored hair like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were You ever think sometimes also it could?
It could possibly because I think of this whenever. And
I don't mean to straight off subject here, but you
ever think about like we had a sider report in Conroe.
This lady said that she saw a bigfoot in a
transco And after years of thinking about it, I've kind
of just thought the idea of what if it's just
matted hair that was leaned on a clay mud and
it got stuck, and it just stuck all over him
and his hair's mad it and it just looks like
a trench cope and it's really not Do you ever
thinking about that about especially about this story that maybe
it was just lighter, lighter mud. It gets just got
stuck to his hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. I mean, if you spend enough
time thinking about this stuff, you think about all kinds
of crazy stuff, right, Yeah. And I mean at one
point in time I even kicked around the idea that, uh,
you know, we talked earlier off air about how there
used to be sightings described as what we would call
a snouted bigfoot before the dog Men popularity happened. Yep,
And at one point in time I thought, maybe that's
bigfoot wearing like a mask, like using like a boar's
head as a mask or something to try and change
the way it looks, change its profile or be intimidating
or something. So the idea of mud being caked up
and everything giving the appearance of clothes or coloring of
some kind, like, yeah, I mean why not. But there's
been a few reports over the years of bigfoot scene
wearing clothing, which is kind of crazy, and I always
thought maybe they just like stole it off clotheslines or something.
But like, you know, how'd you get those draws on
a bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's them just trying to fit in.
Speaker 2: Literally, something that comes a lot up a lot on
bigfoot podcasts and topics in general, is you know, the
bigfoot encounters, the bigfoot attacks with the Lake warth Monster.
You did have a tire throwing incident, no one was injured.
There's definitely been some stories about rock throwing and stick throwing.
I've even heard tells of people's vehicles getting hit with
things as they were driving down the road. But I
can't recall any stories of bigfoot attacks specifically happening to
researchers other than one the Dallas Gilbert story out of Ohio.
But it seems to be something that you hear more
about on podcasts. You don't read reports about it. You
know in the databases. Have you, guys, Steve and I
know you didn't go out a lot, but you did
go out a couple of times.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: Were there ever times were you guys felt like you
were in danger, specifically from Bigfoot while you're out in
the field.
Speaker 3: From my perspective.
Speaker 4: As a kid, I'm always I was always terrified just
encountering one because there's always there's always that thought process.
Even as a kid, I was already thinking, how how
is I know I'm not gonna how I'm going to react?
How is Uncle Robert going to react. You know this
is or are there any of the adults you know
that were there, because it all depends on how I
act as versus how they act. So as a kid,
I was always terrified that they encountered part of it.
I don't know about you. I think you were just
excited just just to see one at that moment, right
when you were out there. You know, I I know
that there's a chance of it encountering an aggressive one,
but I know that I was. I felt I still
felt safe being with Uncle Bob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the time he was talking
about Matt is when we went to Big Sandy and
you know, we had Luke and Billy Simmons, Tim Clay,
the late Tim Tim Clay, and we were there with
some paranormal groups and we were doing some calls and
we got some calls back, and uh then we later
had Eye Shine to our left. And then when we
discovered the Eye Shine, then we were getting bombarded with
rocks from across the street, across the way, and it
was you could hear it. You could hear the rocks
going through the the tree limbs and tree leaves, and
but we were getting bombarded by by rock, like pretty
good sized rocks. And and then once once we took
our eyes off the eye shine, the rock stopped and
the eye shine was gone. So I've had that in
the field. And then there was times when I was
up in uh the Keimichi's and we were at a
fire a little late at night. I don't think you
were there, Steven, I was. And then I had a big,
probably a good size, like a two foot size rock
thrown at us. Is I think we were just being
loud two foot, yeah, at least two foot. It was
you could hear. You could hear like the you didn't
I couldn't see it, but you could hear like the
thud thud, you know, boom, and it was it was
rolling toward us. It was like it was a circular boulder,
and it came into view as the as the fire
flames were going out, and you could see it.
Speaker 3: It came, it came in.
Speaker 1: It was slowing down by the time it came to us,
but it was pretty loud.
Speaker 3: It's loud enough to hear it.
Speaker 1: And I go and we all looked at it was
it was myself, uh, Tim Clay, Kid Marble, and we
looked at the boulder, and I said, really loud.
Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, I go, I guess we're too loud.
Well we'll calm down. So I've I've had that in
the field.
Speaker 2: But you saw the rock like rolling towards you, though, Yes, yes, yep, man,
I mean so nobody's like this cabin that you're talking
about was remote.
Speaker 1: Yes, you'd have to it was. It was on it
was on private land. You know, there was owners there
and you had to you have to when you go.
Whenever you came onto this property, there was a security
guard at the front gate with a you'd left the
gate up and you'd have to have permission to get
on there. And so there was own property. But the
area that we were at of this mountain, there was
only two plots that were sold, and we were we
were at one of.
Speaker 2: Them, yeah, and knew the owner of the other one. Yes, yes, yeah.
So it's not anybody playing Shenanigans carrying a small boulder
through the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean we didn't. We didn't even
hear him. We didn't even hear it walk up. We
just heard like this big thud and we turned, we
turn in and we could see it rolling toward us.
Speaker 3: It was it was kind of did you go try
to go pick up the well? I don't even think
I have asked you that.
Speaker 1: Did you go to I think that next morning we did.
It was it was pretty heavy. It was like I
had the I had the squat like really low and
it never made it past my knees.
Speaker 3: So it's pretty heavy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was also and this is a secondhand story, but uh,
Kenny told me a story about how one night at
the fire he had been out there drinking.
Speaker 3: I think mm hmm.
Speaker 2: He'd stayed up pretty late drinking and went on to bed,
and the next morning, whenever we went out there, like
a large tree limb was like speared through the chair
between the seat and the back, like through the gap
or whatever. Yeah, where he had been sitting and like
stuck in the ground.
Speaker 3: I totally believe it.
Speaker 1: So Jesus, we've I mean we've had we've had other
stuff happening out there too. I mean there was incidents
where I think I think you were there, Stephen. We
were sleeping in the cabin and there was an incident
where I cause we had if you had to go
to the restroom, there was a outhouse probably like ten
feet away, and we would get up, you know, put
on his shoes, go outside and go to the.
Speaker 3: Outhouse and go to the restroom.
Speaker 1: So I was going out to the restroom and you
could hear like something like pounding on rocks. The whole
time was like it was like it was constant, and
it sounded like someone was just hammering.
Speaker 3: On a rock.
Speaker 1: And I yelled really loud, I go, I hear you.
And it stopped for like fifteen seconds and then continued again.
I said, good lord, I'm not gonna be able to sleep.
So I went to the restroom, went back upstairs and
tried to go to sleep, and I think eventually at
dawn it stopped.
Speaker 2: There was an incident that happened at the place that
we called the bathhouse on the dead End side. I've
talked a lot about it over the years because that
was the first night where I had a personal experience,
which was rock throwing, where I realized, at the very
least something crazy was going on. I hadn't had a sighting.
I was really knew it was actually, if I remember correctly,
the night before I had my sighting, But in that instance,
I was standing there talking to somebody, we're seeing rocks
fly over our heads from the trees going into the
creek behind us, and like splashing in the creek. Even
at that point though, I mean, yeah, everybody says they
see rocks and they're splashing in the creek. Maybe it's
some little fish. You know, I grew up at a lake.
There's fish that feed at night. Maybe it's just little fish.
Maybe I'm just seeing things flying over my head. But eventually,
as I was standing there talking to someone leaning against
the hood of the car, a rock. I heard it
coming through the tree leaves. It hits the hood of
the vehicle. The vehicle was like a light green color
if I remember right, like an old Lincoln or something
huge boat, but there was like a light colored backdrop
because we didn't have any lights on or anything. And
I saw the rock hit, bounce up, hit my stomach,
and land back on the hood. It was just maybe
the size of like a marble. It wasn't very big
at all. It wasn't thrown forcefully, but I mean the
rock was laying right there in front of me with
the trajectory coming from the woods, so I knew something
or someone was in the woods throwing rocks. There's no
doubt about it. And so at that point I was
pretty freaked out, you know, because like it's either someone
messing with us or its Bigfoot. And for it to
be someone messing with us, they hiked multiple miles through
the woods at night, and there's I mean, how would
they even know that we were out there? There's no way.
But another thing that happened that night after that was
an incident almost identical to the one you're talking about.
The reason we called it the dead end is because
there's like a little dead end road right there that
ran parallel to the creek, and there was kind of
a turnaround area and then the woods surrounded the road
and the turnaround and the turnaround a little bit beyond
it kind of had like a grassy area with some
really tall like sawgrass, and then on the opposite side
you have the creek the entire way. But something and
I say something, because we didn't go investigate, but something
very heavy, something very heavy was thrown and hit with
a thud and rolled through that grass and it sounded
like a small boulder like what you're describing, okay, And
it was such a loud thud, and I mean It
startled everybody, right, and my buddy Dan Ricky was there,
and I mean he instantly he had a pistol on
his hip and he instantly drew down. I mean, we
thought we were going to be attacked. It was extremely
loud and extremely big whatever it was. For years afterwards,
not at the time, but for years afterwards, I would
investigate that location and there weren't any big rocks anywhere
around there, and there's nothing off in there except woods
and a lake.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what else it could have been.
And I guess that would be aggressive. Some of the
locals had some stories about some aggressive behavior, but I
don't think I would really classify it as attacks, just
more of being run off from an area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was my question, especially for the
first one. I was gonna say, did you feel threatened
with that little bitty rock? Didn't you hitting the vehicle,
hitting your stomach and bouncing back.
Speaker 2: Not really. It freaked me out, just because I had
never experienced rock throwing before, and it meant something had
the ability to throw a rock, right, I mean, but
at that point in time, I was still on the fence,
you know, I was still well, these things could be
out there, but I don't know it I had you know,
that hasn't been proven to me yet. And then I
mean trying to wrap my head around what was happening,
and then seeing the rock with my own two eyes
hit the hood and hit me and land back on
the hood where I couldn't deny it. Yeah, that was weird, man,
that that was really weird. And I spent almost the
next twenty four hours thinking about it. But then I
had a sighting and everything came crashing down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that second incident, the one of the loud
the loud rock, and then Dan responded to it that
that sented that felt like it.
Speaker 3: It was threatened in a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the whole thing about that area,
which I didn't know at the time, but later on.
It was kind of an area where like nobody ever
stayed the night there. People got rent off all the time.
There was a story about one coming running out of
the woods and slapping at the vehicle as it drove off.
Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but the
place had a creepy vibe to it at nighttime. Everything
was usually good during the day, but at night time
it was one of those places where like, once it
got dark, it got scary, and that's where I heard
the voices. That's where I heard the talking. But that area,
you would drive off in there, and it was part
of a National park, but it was separated from the
main part of the park by like ten miles or so,
and this particular location was still owned by this, you know,
the national park, but they allowed public hunting there and
there was a couple of camp sites and you'd basically
you could drive in on one side of the creek
and it would branch off and one branch went to
the lake and the other one went to the creek.
Or you could drive another seven to ten miles down
the highway and come in on the opposite side of
the creek, and that's where the dead end was at,
and on that side was where they allowed public hunting at.
But in the seven or so years that I was
researching that specific location, I never saw anyone hunting. I
never saw any sign of hunters, never really ran into
anybody down there. There was one time we ran into
some people, but they were actually doing bigfoot stuff, which
is kind of crazy to think about. But on the
opposite side of the hunting down by the lake. There
was a couple of spots that had like picnic tables
or whatever that were set up where you could like
camp if you wanted to, But it was just like
a couple campsites. Never anybody down there ever, never had
any trash, no signs of humans at all. And that
place was known as Shotgun Point, and it was known
as Shotgun Point because that's how a person had chosen
to end things at that location at one point, which
also just naturally gave everything a creepy vibe, you know,
knowing the story and everything behind it. Was it haunted
or anything like that? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Do you think that stretch of that seven ten miles
in that area, you think that's a stretch of either
crossing points for these things to move around or they're
forging in that area.
Speaker 2: I think it was at one time between the two
locations was just privately owned farmland pretty much. But the
part did some weird things. I consider them weird. I mean,
there's explanations for all of them, you know, and I
try to refrain from conspiracy theories as much as possible,
but you know, they went in and they eradicated as
many of the cedars as they could, saying that they
were invasive and causing problems and everything. I don't agree
with that. I think they were creating habitat. But they
decided that they wanted to change it from whatever, you know,
a lowlands habitat to a grasslands habitat. And they said
that the cedars were invasive and they needed to eradicate them,
so they burnt them all as much as they could anyways,
and pretty much turned a heavily wooded area into a
wide open space. And at that particular location, you've basically
got two lakes. You've got one larger lake and a
smaller lake. The location we were just talking about is
at the larger lake. The location where the cedars were
at is at the smaller man made lake. The lake
was made back in the fifties, I think, Well, that
location had a spillway, and the spillway whenever they poured
the cement for it and was letting it cure, footprints
showed up in it, of course, and they're still there,
like you can see the footprints. Nobody was seeing leaving footprints.
They don't look human, but they look you know, they've
got some what we would consider bigfoot characteristics to them. Yeah,
this location has spawned many Bigfoot sightings. I never personally
had a sighting there. Had a couple of weird things
happen that you know, I would consider could have beens.
But that location was the closest point towards the other location,
and in between them, like I said, was private property.
I mean, I call it farmland, but nobody's really farming
out there. It's just privately owned land, is all it is.
Lots of woods and creeks and things like that. Well,
after they eradicated let me back up. I know this
is hard to keep up with and confusing to a
lot of people listening, and I apologize. Before I started
researching there, I knew some of the locals that lived there,
and some of those locals were also researchers. This particular location,
the spillway location, was a prime investigation area for some
of the locals, and at one point the Park Service
came in and completely closed it down to build not
the spillway but like a parking lot or something, but
closed it down for like six months out of a year.
Who does that, Yeah, no access. Then they finally reopened it.
Then later on in life, they eradicate the cedars. Well,
then they closed it down again and got rid of
the parking lot and changed everything and basically turned it
into a tourist attraction. The spillway ran off into a creek,
and this creek was famous for bigfoot activity. It runs
all through the park. Lots of sidings happened along that creekway. Well,
now that creekway has a bridge built over it, and
there's an entire RV park and a Native American museum
where the wilderness once was, where it would have been,
exactly where the bigfoot would have crossed back and forth
between those two locations.
Speaker 1: The cedars, the eradication of the cedars, that interested me
because I know, you know, in Texas Skier that's usually
how I tell people. I tell people in these Texas
and I go, if you got bigfoots on your land,
if you got cedars or the tips of them are broken,
there's a good chance there's bigfoot there. And then they
you know, I know, this is all conjecture, and you
know it's been my I you know, my theory that
they use it for medical purposes, you know, during the
summer to ward off. You know, the mosquitoes, flies, whatever
that they rub against it, and so for them to
do that, I just find it interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've talked about it over the years.
I agree. If somebody's looking for a place to start
looking for bigfoot in their area, find the cedar trees.
I mean, that's the quickest way I start. If you
can find some cedar trees near a creek, you're doing good.
It's not an always or a definite, but like you're saying,
we've found a lot of locations have cedar trees like that,
and they, I agree, use them for all sorts of things,
and it just makes sense. You know. The Native Americans
use the cedar trees for different reasons. Game animals use
the cedar trees. They provide cover, they provide food, They
have a lot of pluses to them. And then you
find in certain areas the tops twisted and broken out,
and sometimes the bottoms are snapped and pulled down like
a tepee, and find all kinds of interesting things around
the seed of tree. So yeah, whenever they eradicated the cedars,
I found that really strange because I mean, like I said,
I've been researching the area for a long time. It
doesn't make any sense. It wasn't causing any problems, and
it wasn't going to add any benefit to the area.
They weren't like overgrowing the place. There was still lots
of grassland habitat for other animals. So yeah, I don't
really know why they did it. I mean, I think
I know. I think I know, but can I prove
it now. But I think they wanted to move Bigfoot
out of the area because they wanted to increase tourist
revenue and they needed to get rid of the bigfoot
to do that. Because this park was famous for bigfoot,
not in the sense of it's like a landmark for
tourists to go to to see Bigfoot, but because the
locals all knew about them, and people had sightings there
all the time for numerous years, and even sometimes tourists
would have sightings and report it, and we would get
those reports, so we knew it was going on. And
there was a couple of instances where there were some
reported attacks in that park. There was an instance where
a woman was leaving one of the restroom buildings at
night and as she came out, something hit her and
knocked her to the ground with a large hairy arm
and ran off into the darkness. It happened too fast
for her to really get a good look. She just
saw a big, hairy arm knocking her down. Can that
be considered an attack? I mean, technically, obviously, it could
have been much worse in my opinion. And then there
was another incident that happened where a guy reported he
was hiking on this one trail that I'm all too
aware that follows that creek that I was talking about.
It actually follows the creek and runs below a cliff
on the opposite side, so it's I mean, you're completely isolated.
There's nowhere for you to go. You can either jump
in the water or go back the opposite way. And
according to the report that he filed, a gorilla jumped
out onto the trail in front of him and charged
him and hit him in the chest and he fell down.
And by the time he got his composure and sat
back up, thinking he was about to be mauled by
this escaped gorilla, it was just gone. No sign of
it anywhere. But it was interesting because he didn't say
a big foot, he said a gorilla. And I don't
know what the reason behind it would be. But it
just seems kind of odd that something would do that
and then just disappear when it could have just stayed,
hid him and let him pass. So it would have
had to have a reason to do it, But I'm
not sure what the reason is.
Speaker 5: There's something that he's not saying, or you're left out,
Like if you get knocked down by something like that,
does it knock you out completely for a good second
and then.
Speaker 3: Like did he pass out? That is what I'm asking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, Like if you get hit by
a gorilla, I would think that that's gonna knock you out.
Speaker 3: It's gonna if it hits you in the.
Speaker 4: Chest, knock the air out of you, you're gonna be
like all kinds like you just got hit by a car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost it almost sounds like the Danny Sweeten. Yeah,
but Danny Sweedton walked up on this when he was
I think his report was he walked up on it
while I was sleeping, and he was he felt there
was like not down win of it, so just Bigfoot
didn't notice him, and then as he startled the bigfoot,
Bigfoot jumped up, pushed him over, and took off running.
So maybe it startled him.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of the Danny Sweeten case. I know
that it was you know, called into question, and there's
some things about it whatever. Not here to argue that, right. However,
the Danny Sweeten case, one thing that was different about
it was Sweeten came forward with a bigfoot story, right,
and he had the video and everything, which is obviously
a plus because it's not just a story. He would
have also had to have some sort of costume and
staged an entire incident. Right. These other two people, whenever
I say reports, they called nine to one one. These
weren't bigfoot reports. They called the police because something happened. Yeah,
And to me that stands out because they are both tourists,
they were camping, you know, they're not from the area.
They didn't mention bigfoot in their reports, and they actually
called the cops and that's where the reports came from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those those had some validity to it because it
sounds like these people don't know anything about the area
or bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's also, like you know, mundane sidings
by tourists in the area. There was a centamon one
often seen on the opposite side of the creek, kind
of in the same area where the guy said he
got attacked by a gorilla. There was some incidents that
happened up on top of the cliff. But again they're
all just stories, man, you know, you just hear stories.
Whether or not they're true, who knows. Personally, I can't
say that I ever felt necessarily like I was in danger,
but there was at least one instance in the park
where reflecting back on what was happening, it seems like
I might have been in danger. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 2: I do believe at one point in time they tried
to isolate me into the woods by myself in the dark,
but I turned around and went back down the trail decided,
you know, kind of snapped out of it. For a second,
I was following whistling that was paralleling me, trying to
get a look at it because I knew what it was,
so I wanted to see it. And it just kept
on moving a little bit farther ahead, staying in the cover.
I would move, you know, twenty feet down the trail,
it would whistle again, and now it was fifteen feet
farther up, and I'm just continuing following it, you know,
down this trail, and this trail's going deeper into cover
and deeper into the woods, away from my research partner,
and I got to the point where it kind of wedges.
The tree line kind of wedges and comes together on
each side of the trail. And whenever I got to
that wedge point, I decided, name I'm a little too
close to the trees now. Before I had a little
bit of open area between me and the tree line.
If I keep following this whistling that I'm hearing, I'm
gonna have to get really close. And I'm looking back
behind me, and it's gotten darker now and I can
hardly see. I don't have a flashlight or anything. I
don't know where my research partner is, so I decided
to turn around and go back. I don't necessarily know
that anything bad would have happened, but it just kind
of felt like I was being lured, which you know,
lots of folkl are out there about don't follow the whistling.
That's exactly what I was doing, So who knows.
Speaker 1: I think you went good with your gut on that one.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you were in a trance? Not
really at trance as much as just curiosity.
Speaker 2: Hyper focused focused on you know, just like trying to
follow it through and not really paying attention to what
was going on other than that.
Speaker 1: What do you think would happened if you whistled back?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember if I ever tried
to be perfectly honest, because.
Speaker 1: There's there's Native American law about whistling in the woods.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't whistle at night, that's one one of
them is always this is what I've always heard.
Speaker 2: We have done things like thrown rocks back into the woods.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I used to throw pennies into the woods to see
if they would come back, but nothing ever did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's curious. I mean, just.
Speaker 1: To have that happen. I can't recall. I can't recall
if ever, if I've every experienced whistling really.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I think of it the main times I
went with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard I've heard grunts, boots, snorts, uh, talking.
I don't think I've ever heard like clapping or rock clicking.
I don't think i've ever heard whistles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was just single tone, human sounding whistles.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was if it wasn't trying to
lure you, do you think it could have been them
signaling another bigfoot saying, hey, there's a human over here,
be careful, let.
Speaker 2: Me lure him away. So yeah, way, because maybe that
other one was okay, okay. So here's what happened the
entire story. We were going down to this area to
see if we could find any tracks or anything going on.
It was like at dusk whenever we got there. And
this area as the creek runs through there, there's a
little clearing area by the creek where it's like a
picnic area. And this picnic area they eventually they had
one of those metal frame picnic tables with the wooden
seats on top. But then there's also like a concrete
slab picnic table that's like built into the ground. But
the one with the metal frame and the wooden slats,
they eventually had to chain it to a tree because
something kept on throwing it in the creek. Now obviously
it could be kids, right, but it happened a lot,
so they had to start chaining it to the tree.
So again that's why we were going down there. It
was an area where there might be activity. We wanted
to check it out. We were just gonna hang out
there and kind of make our plan. It was a
nice spot to kind of chill and sit down, and
there's like a little parking area and you walk down
the trail and the trail turns off into the woods
and then comes out into the clearing, or the trail
goes straight and goes across a little wooden foot bridge
and then goes into this other area that's kind of
like on the opposite side of the woods there. Well,
we pulled into the parking area and got out of
the truck, and as soon as we got out of
the truck, there was a loud whoop from down in
the picnic area right there by us, and we were
just like, holy shit. So we take off down there.
As we get to the part where the trail turns
and goes down to that area, we hear something running
splashing through the creek as it's crossing the creek. So,
I mean, there was no visual but we were pretty
certain that a bigfoot was down there, so we knew
it had crossed the creek. We ran over to the
creek and you could see footsteps in the creek. It
was still kind of like muddy where it had just stepped,
and then on the opposite side was rocky bank, but
you could see the wet outlines of footprints. Well, the
creek's too big for us to cross, so we have
to go back up the trail and go across the
footbridge to get to the other side where the trail
parallels the creek. So we crossed the footbridge, I turned
down the trail. My research partner goes straight going to
the other location that I talked about. So we're separating intentionally,
but we're trying to like get on both sides of
where we think this thing is at. Well, there's an
old bathroom right there where the trail goes off by
the creek, but it's closed down. Nobody uses it. It's
just hella creepy. It's got vines growing all over it.
But whenever I got past it, that's when I heard
the first whistle. And it's coming from like I said,
there's like a clearing, I say clearing. It's undergrowth and
brush and everything. And then the tree line happens probably
about I don't know, maybe twenty yards or so from
the trail that I'm on. Yeah, and in that tree
line somewhere. I hear just a single tone whistle, and
I first call out my research partner's name because I'm thinking, like,
is that him whistling at me? Like how did he
get over there so fast? He doesn't respond, and then
I hear the whistle again, so I move on down
the trail because I'm trying to change my line of
sight to see what this is whistling. It's not coming
from up in the trees. It's coming from inside the
tree line what I would consider about head height, right
around in that range. So I'm like, okay, what is that.
It's not now, I mean, it sounds like a person whistling.
It's just a single tone whistle. I move down the
trail a little ways, trying to see I hear the
whistle again, but it's to the left, it's a little
bit further away, and it's like coming from behind a tree.
But it's clear and it's loud, and I'm like, what
the hell? So I keep on moving down the trail
trying to see what it is, and I'm staring at
the tree line. You know, of course, in my mind,
of course it's a bigfoot, you know, that's obviously what
I'm thinking, trying to be as open minded as possible,
but like, you know, this is a big foot whistling
on me. So I'm wanting to see it, like run
between the trees, but I don't. I don't see anything.
And I get a little bit further down the trail,
same thing happens again. It's just moving a little bit
farther ahead of me. It just keeps on doing this,
and this happens like four or five times, and I'm
walking down the trail. Eventually I get to the point
where we saw the footprints going across the creek. I'm
on the opposite side of the creek now at that
same location. I've made it that far. This thing is
still whistling, just a little bit farther ahead, and I
just want to see it so bad, and I just
keep going and keep going and keep going. And like
I said, eventually I got to that wedge and it
was just kind of like a moment where my hackles
stood on end and I'm like, you know what, this
isn't a good idea. I'm by myself and headed towards
the woods, like I don't even know where this goes.
I don't know where this trail goes. I've never been
this direction before, so I turned around and went back. Well,
as I'm going back, my research partner comes out into
the clearing where the picnic area is on the opposite
side of the creek. He's doubled back and came back.
So I'm gonna walk over there and tell him what
I just experienced. So go down the trail turn off
across the footbridge. Thing, I've got this walking stick, a
large walking stick. It's like a sapling or something that
a beaver had chewed. And I'm carrying it with me.
One for snakes, you know, poking around checking for snakes
ahead of me if I need it. But two, I
had an injured ankle. As I'm walking down the trail,
there's this log I guess, yes, a big dead tree
log laying next to the trail, like right off the
side of the trail, right next to me. And it
looks like it's covered in like thick dead grass. It's
pretty dark. I can't see real great detail, but that's
what it looks like. And I'm just I don't know why,
but for some reason it cashes my attention and I'm
like looking at it, and I momentarily have the urge
to poke it with a stick. I'm like, no, just
get back to my research partner. Tell him what's going on.
It's getting dark. I don't have a flashlight or anything,
and I just keep going. Go over there, tell him
what happened. I like, anything happened to you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Nothing. He went and checked the other area, but it
was all quiet, nothing going on. So he came back.
He didn't know that I had gone so far down
that trail and like the whole whistling thing had happened,
and he's like, well, let's go back over there and
check it out. And now that you know I'm here, okay.
So we're headed back and we get to the log
and it's gone. There's nothing there. There's an empty space
where it was and grass and leaf clutter on the ground,
no long dead grass, no big lump or anything like
that lane there next to the trail, And like my
heart just dropped, like frozen my tracks.
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, did you pause there whenever
you saw it?
Speaker 3: Missy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I stopped him and I was like, dude, there
was just something here. There's there was a and like
my mind is just like broken, like I'm I'm shorted out.
I'm like, what is happening? I just saw like because
I mean, in my mind what I saw was like
this lump on the ground, but it was huge. It
was so I like thought it was like a dead
log and like grass had grown over it and died
and was like covering the log. That's what I thought
it was. But now the whole thing was just gone
and it didn't look like anything had been there. So
I have no idea. The only thing I mean was
that hair instead of dead grass was I mean, was
something laying there perfectly still camouflaged? And I just I mean,
I don't know, dude, I don't know, but uh, it
freaked me out. I mean, I still have no explanation
for it.
Speaker 3: I do. I do, recall you tell me the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now that you tell the end of the story,
that tells me that this other one was trying to
lure you away, and maybe your other research partner was
too close and it just decided just to lay down
and just cam you know, camo itself, which which which
makes sense, you know. I mean I've heard stories of
like like airplanes going over an area and they see
like a bigfoot in an open area and then it
just stops and just drops to one knee that way.
You think it's like a like a tree stump or something,
And so I've heard stories like that.
Speaker 3: So maybe it was.
Speaker 1: Trying to lure you away and your other partner was
too close, and so it just decided, you know what,
I'm just gonna lay down our air of ly he
doesn't see me.
Speaker 2: Obviously, We've heard lots of stories where people were like,
I thought I was looking at a tree stump, or
I thought I was looking at an old burnt you know,
tree log or something, and then it got up and
walked off, you know that sort of thing. Yeah, And
I mean, like I you, you wouldn't have noticed this
thing laying there, if that's what it was.
Speaker 3: How close were you to it?
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, within three feet? It was right.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I almost poked it with the stick because it just
subconsciously it was just like, what's that? You know, It
was like one of those moments. But like I know,
people would ask, well, obviously you had some sort of
preconceived notion about it, if you're going to poke it
with a stick, But I didn't. At no point in
my time, did it cross my mind that, like, is
that a bigfoot lay in there? Stick stick? Like, No,
that never crossed my mind. It was just like my
brain subconsciously knew because I had been at that location
so many times previously, that I was looking at something
that wasn't supposed to be there. My subconscious knew that
there's no dead log there, right, or at least there's
not supposed to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you were going through because
that There's been times where I've walked through the woods
and I've noticed like a tree or a big branch
of a tree that was really swollen, and I'm you know,
you you see like you know, trees and branches and
foliage and bushes and stuff. But sometimes I'll catch that though,
that's weird, that's super weird, and then I just continue going.
But I get what you were doing there, because if
it's noticeable, you stop and notice it.
Speaker 2: But like if I had poked it with the stick,
I mean, I don't know what would have happened.
Speaker 3: You'd have been Danny Sweden. You'd to be on the ground.
So it had jumped up.
Speaker 2: Like that, If that log had jumped up and taken
off running. You would still hear me screaming to this day.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, oh man, but yeah, so like I mean,
dangerous maybe, but I don't feel like it was.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Okay, it didn't seem aggressive, but it does, in hindsight
seem predatory.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's what bothers me did.
Speaker 1: I you know, did we know each other then whenever
you had this experience.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes, but it was before we became friends, Okay,
but I'm not one that because all that stuff blurs
together so much back then, yeah, you know, because I
mean I was ate up with it, so I was.
They're researching all the freaking time for years, and so
like a lot of stuff happened. I mean, I've got
stories that I've never told before. There's probably stuff at
this point that I've even forgotten about, as crazy as
that sounds. And it's not like we were just having
sightings all the time or anything, but weird stuff like
that was happening all the time. Yeah, I mean the
number of times I've heard, you know, tree knocks or vocalizations,
or seen footprints where they shouldn't be, or there is
this one time the same place where I had my
original sighting, which I always joke about being in a
parking lot, but that's where it was. But I mean,
we would visit that spot regularly. And I wasn't the
only person that ever had a siding at that location.
Other people had sightings there too. That's why we were
there to begin with, right, But stuff would happen there
all the time. And I mean there was one time
in particular where I was just sitting on the curb
in front of the building, and there's like the entrance
to the trail system is next to the building, and
again it's on the opposite side of that same creek
that goes through the park, and there's like a little
bridge there, and then on the opposite side of the
bridge there's like one of those if people have been
on hiking trails sometimes they have these like trailhead signs
and they'll have like flyers posted on them and stuff,
and it'll have like a plastic you know, cover to
it that they can lift up and change out the
information and close it back up and lock it or whatever. Right,
And I was sitting there on the curb and this
sign is probably I don't know, maybe one hundred feet
from where I'm sitting and something just smacks the hell
out of it. I mean, just slaps the plastic with
its hand. That's all it could have been. And I
mean I was just like sitting right there, and if
I leaned back, I could look down that trail and
see that sign. And I mean, this was just obvious.
And you would hear stuff like running around the whole
time on both sides of the parking lot in the
woods vocalizations on a regular basis. It would sound like
entire groups of them moving through their vocalizing. One time,
there was a big group of them in there. We
called it cutting up, just making all kinds of whoops
and stuff and just hanging out inside the tree line
and checking us out, you know, and we're kind of honestly,
we were just kind of goofing off, you know. We
weren't recording or anything, just entertaining ourselves with the bigfoot. Now,
people would argue, oh, well, you don't know it was
a bigfoot. You're right, we don't. But eventually something from
deeper in the woods roared very loudly, roared, screamed, whatever
you wanted to call it, and everything else went dead quiet.
All the vocalizations that we had been hearing, and like,
you know, we would do vocalizations and try to get
a response, and that sort of thing. All that stopped.
The whole atmosphere changed. And then you heard something big,
breaking limbs and coming through the woods and it's kind
of up on this It's kind of like a rise
because you're kind of like down in a valley, right
and this thing's moving through there. And then it stops,
and then you hear pop pop pop up crack crack crack,
and I mean it sounds like a tree is being
shoved down and hits the ground boom. And I was like,
holy crap, we have got to go, We've got to go.
I was scared. I was terrified at that point. Right
in my imagination, the Alpha mel had just come in
and told everybody to shut up and was pissed off.
And so we loaded up in the truck and we
haled it out of there, and we kind of drove,
you know, a few miles away, and I was just
like starting to calm down. I was like, all right,
all right, let's go back. Let's just go back. And
so we turned around and we went back. That was
kind of the general rule at any given point, if
anybody was ready to leave, we would leave. If somebody
got scared and wanted to leave, we would leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I was like, let's go back, let's go back.
I'm okay, it was just noise, you know, I didn't
see anything. So we went back and everything was different,
everything was gone. There wasn't any vocalizations anymore. Uh, whatever
was there had left. And then the next day we
went back and I spent quite a bit of time
looking for that tree that I heard get pushed over,
and I could not find it. I never did find it. Yeah,
and that was kind of freaky because I know, I
heard a tree being pushed over, and trees don't just vanish.
Speaker 3: No, they don't.
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about how I would react if you know,
just the whole incident, you know, back to what you
were seeing with it laying on the ground like got it.
M I honestly would think I would have nightmares after it,
just knowing what it was. When you think about.
Speaker 2: It, I mean, Okay, so you talk about a lot
of bigfoot stuff and encryptid stuff and paranormal stuff. Do
you have any interest to go research any of it anymore? Uh.
Speaker 3: For me, I don't mind it.
Speaker 4: I just I don't pursue it actively as some would.
But if the right time comes along, I don't mind it.
I'm pretty sure Bob would say the same.
Speaker 3: Well, I would. I would do it.
Speaker 1: If someone really needed it, someone really needed help, I would,
I would do it. I mean, there's there's stuff going
on at our house right now, and you know some
of it. Some of it I call it. I call
it bleedover. Matt was when sometimes you don't get a
lot of paranormal stuff all the time, it's just every
now and then, and we we get it here every
now and then. It seems like whenever Steven goes out
of town, goes to visit his in laws in Oklahoma City,
I get a lot of stuff happened when he's gone
for some reason. And I think, I think the properties
around here are haunted. But we get it, and that's
just what I get on that. But but I've been
asked to go out to the field a couple of times,
and it's usually like just timing. I can't always do
it and I can't break away and do it. So
but yeah, I'm still interested doing stuff in the field.
But I wouldn't call myself a researcher anymore.
Speaker 2: What do you think the best way to research is?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's got their own way to do it,
and everybody thinks that they're way is right. But you
have like a bunch of different ways that people go
about things. You know, You've got the people that literally
hike out into the middle of nowhere for you know,
miles and miles and then hamm at camp or just
sleep on the ground with no campfire. And then you
have people that just go to a campsite or just
drive down a road somewhere and park on the side
of the road. Some people do calls, some people do knocks,
some people do call blasting. Some people think you should
not do any of that. What do you think is
the best way to go about it?
Speaker 1: I mean, there's two schools to it that I think
of automatically, is that if you're going out there just
to do just have an experience, then I would say
wherever big game is, then wherever there's big game and water,
there's going to be a bigfoot. If you're interested in
doing that, just have an experience and then go out
and do that. Just go go to an area that's
got game, that's got trails, you know game trails or whatever,
and just go do that and just have a good
just go out there and just talk, because that's if
you go looking for a bigfoot, you're not going to
find it. A lot of times bigfoots are they're considered curious.
And see why you're there or why you're decided to
camp there on that particular weekend. If you want to
go out and just do investigations, then then you you
I think the proper way to do it is just
you know, look at other databases and look at what
counties have more sighting reports than others. Look for gas
right aways, electrical rightaways, look for cedars like we were
talking before, and then whatever has game and has water,
you know, efficient water in that area, whether it's like
creeks or lakes or any kind of like spill ways.
And then document all your stuff what you're doing, like
do moon phases, do temperature time, year date, if that's
what you're in, if that's what you're into, because I
think a lot of a lot of searchers don't do that.
They don't they don't document properly, and they just don't.
And but if you're just out there, just have an experience,
just go to an area's got big game and just.
Speaker 3: Patients patients. Yep.
Speaker 2: It's funny to me because, like you're saying, there are
you know, these different schools of thought. Whenever it comes
to it. There's the side that thinks that you need
to go to where they are, you need to go
to their environment, and then there's the side that's like, well,
you need to let them come to you. But both
sides report the same experiences. And even if you do
hike twenty miles off into the back country and spend
a week camping out by yourself, they're still coming to you.
I've never heard an incident where a researcher was going
out to investigate and we're like, and then I crested
the hill and walked into the valley, and there they were.
Nobody's walking up on Bigfoot, especially not in its own
environment unless it's just absolutely slipping sleeping, sleeping, sleeping sleep.
But yeah, I always came from the school of thought
that just go out there and be a human. They
like to come in and observe and just pay attention
to your surroundings. Be where they would be at b
where there's been sighting reports, be where they have the
resources to survive, just like you're saying, you know, go
to those locations. But I think it's a waste of
time trying to chase them down. I think it's much
better to just let them come to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I'm one of the believers that
you know, after being in a group and then not
being in a group, and then then talking to Native
Americans and talking to different people, you know, these things
are just curious by nature, and they want to know
why you're there and and if you have if you
have the right energy, or if you're not putting out
like you know you're always holding a gun or have
a gun constantly with you. I think they're more open
to see what you're doing and then want to maybe
reach out to you, because I mean, like I said,
we've had times where you know, Steve and I have
been in the woods and this thing will run up
and just slap the back of the cabin or click
rocks all night, or you know, whoop at us or
something or just strow rocks at us. So I mean,
I don't I don't know. I mean, you know, you
talk to so many people, and you get so many
different stories and how they encountered the Bigfoot, and then
you kind of think. Sometimes you overthink and say, you know,
am I doing it right? Do it? Should I be
doing this? Should I be fishing or at dawn or dusk?
Or should I should I be, you know, have a
parabolic dish in the morning or at night? Or should
I you know, turn off my porch like and my
cabin whenever it gets late.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it's just it's different.
Speaker 2: I mean, people have sightings of them, like crossing the
road in front of their vehicles, or while they're mowing
their lawn or chopping wood or feeding their animals or whatever.
And like you're saying, they'll come up and slap the
side of the house. We've heard that thousands of times.
Or they'll be watching TV and they'll look up at
the window and there's one looking at them. So I
don't think any of that stuff really matters. Yeah, I
don't think it's gonna, you know, necessarily increase anyone's odds
or decrease anyone's odds, regardless of what you're doing, if
you're in the right place at the right time. But
I do think documentation is the key. Everybody's got a phone,
video is available on it at all times, the ability
to take notes, the ability to take photos, and I
think that would have been a big help back in
the day if people had just been documenting everything, because
I know I wasn't. Nobody wants to be, you know,
troubled with that.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I've always said the just be prepared
and we'll end it there.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, guys, I appreciate it. As always.
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