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Speaker 1: There was some sightings in Lakeworth, I think in summer

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of nineteen sixty nine. My mom and dad whenever they

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were dating, it was at the Casino Park and Ballroom

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off Lakeworth. It was like a little bitty like almost

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like a state fair that had roller coasters, that had

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dance halls and stuff like that. My mom and dad

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went to the ballroom to go to a dance. As

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they arrived, she told me there was hundreds of people

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just running out. And if you were to look up

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the Casino Park and Ballroom off of Lakeworth, they have

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a ballroom. In the back of the ballroom is like

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a big old windows and it overlooks the lake. And

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the people that were running out were shouting goat man.

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To my mom and dad, they said they had there

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were the people that were dancing close to the windows

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could see a Lakeworth monster, the goat man or whatever,

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and they all ran out.

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Speaker 2: This is big Foot Crossroads.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Joining me are my two best buds, Bob and Steven

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of big Foot Club. Guys, thanks for joining me. Have

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you ever thought about changing the name of the show

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to something with bs in the title?

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Speaker 3: I can't. I can't say that I thought of that now.

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Speaker 2: Just you know, your initials being ah, oh yeah, Bob

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and Stevens, you'd be like weird bs.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I think.

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Speaker 1: I think we have a somewhat of a cult following now,

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you know, with Bigfoot Club, and so we're kind of

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like the way I look at it, and a lot

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of people don't know this, we're like the anti heroes

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of the cryptid world. You know, we're not good guys.

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We're not bad guys. We're somewhere in the middle.

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Speaker 2: So what have you guys been talking about lately on

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your show?

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Speaker 1: We've actually gone out of the spectrum a little bit.

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We had a TikToker that was really really famous, and

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we've had we've had some paranormal paranormal investigator, paranormal guy

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that had a website. So it's it's just it's been

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a collectic of different stuff, some bigfoot people, some paranormal people,

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some famous TikTokers though some authors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to get your guys take on goat

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man because goat man is something that, for one, if

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it does in fact exist, is terrifying to me. Two,

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it's one of those things that kind of straddles a

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bunch of different categories. It's an urban legend, it's a cryptid,

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it's paranormal. It's something that exists in a lot of

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different places and seems to have certain characteristics that follow

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it wherever it goes. And you guys actually investigated a

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pretty famous goat man location, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well I did?

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Speaker 2: You did?

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Speaker 1: I did, Stephen wasn't available at the.

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Speaker 2: Time, Stephen, that is what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm man enough to say that, Yeah, there is

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a location near where we live. It's in the Denton,

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the Denton area. It's called I'm trying to think of

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what was the real name of it.

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Speaker 3: It's uh sold Often Bridge Old.

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Speaker 1: Autun Bridge, and it's not it's actually driving distance for us.

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We can be there, like in twenty minutes. And I

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did a podcast there with some of the people of

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fin Tech's uh Paranormal Facebook group and it was a

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couple of people that were that were with me during

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that time, and it was it was right after I

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actually started walking Matt, So it was it's kind of

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treacherous for me because it's it's not real stable, that

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not one of the most the more and the more

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stable and it's it's more of a it's more of

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a teenage hangout now than it is. I mean, there's

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there's there's some paranormal aspects to it, but there's a

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ton of teenagers there on the weekends, so it's kind

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of it's kind of tough to assess what's really out there.

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But I did do a podcast there once, and I

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didn't have a lot of stuff happened to me. There

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was a few incidents where we he had a spirit

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box and we were asking it questions and normally it scans, right,

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it scans like its frequencies to get like a verbal

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response when you're asking questions, and this thing was beeping.

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had it, and I go, it's not supposed to do that,

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and he goes, yes, I know. And so we were

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asking it yes and no questions like you know, one

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for yes, two for no, and it was beeping instead

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of scanning for some reason, and and we were asking

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it if there were demon's presence, and of course it's

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you know. It said you know, yes, And then we

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asked it if it was going to harm anybody, and

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it said yes, and we asked who was it going?

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didn't respond and so and then later within ten minutes, Matt,

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there was a there was a group of kids there

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and one of them was kind of staring at me,

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kind of weird. And my friend that's there, he noticed

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it because that guy has looked at you kind of weird.

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I said, which one? He said, that real talk kid

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over there. So I walked over to him. I go, hey,

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I'm big foot Bob.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing out here? And so I confronted

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it like right away, and his face was like his

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chin was touching his chest and his eyes were looking

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straight at me. And as soon as I walked up

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to him to address who I was, his facial expression

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changed and he just smiled and goes, hey, I'm so

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and so and he shook my hand and it's like

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he was in the trance.

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Speaker 3: And then he got out of it.

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Speaker 2: That's creepy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it was paranormal or not.

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and then we went we went our way doing stuff,

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and then we continued that spiritbox still and then we

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turned off the spirit box and it kept beeping. And

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I turned to the guy and I said, it's not

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supposed to do that, and he yes, I know. So

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would have.

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Speaker 4: I would have freaked out if the kid was like

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looking like that, Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not good. But what I think I always

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said to myself, I think you did. You did break

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the trance? Yeah by that.

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Speaker 2: So what's the local lore with the goat man at

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that bridge?

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that. I can't remember the guy's name,

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but there was there was an African American I believe

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in the thirties who was a businessman and I think

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he did trade goats like and they also called him

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the goat something goat oscar washburn oscar washburn good job.

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the bridge and he was hung there, and so the

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lore is that his spirit is still there. And I

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think maybe like a hundred years down the creek bed

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that used to be a insane asylum as well. I

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don't know the name of it, but that was towed

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of encompasses that whole area. It's kind of like it's

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got a lot of orbs, it's got a lot of

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people who do Satanists cult type of things, and it

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just kind of just encompasses all that paranormal activity in

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Speaker 2: So have there been sightings of an actual goat man

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at the bridge or is it just known as like

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's just considered just goat Man's Bridge.

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seen a goat man or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: Whenever I first joined Pentexts Paranormal Investigations of North Texas,

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one of my how I got into the group that

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I had to go to Goatman's Bridge and be there

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by myself for like five hours. So I did that

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and I think I got I think I got a

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couple EVPs of like who are you or what are

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you or something like that, and it was I didn't

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Speaker 2: Is that like a typical thing for paranormal groups to

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put someone through initiation like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: It was that way for pentexs and you know, and

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you know us, you know, because like I was, I

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was a bigfoot researcher before that. You know, go into it,

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going go into a bridge, you know at night. That's

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not a big deal because like we're always in the field,

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like in you know, yards and you know, miles and

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miles into the woods, and to me, that was that

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Speaker 3: So it was it wasn't a big deal to me.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, typically it is good to do

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that because that way you know what type of uh

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dedication a person has and that field.

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Speaker 3: Just took me on the initiation.

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Speaker 2: Was just going, yeah, that was the initiation, like agreeing

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to meet these strangers in the woods somewhere. Yeah, I

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think that's enough of initiation. I also wanted to ask

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of the Pacific Northwest because it had the famous photograph

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attached to it. For people that don't know what it is,

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briefly explain what the Lakeworth midster is all about.

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Speaker 1: There was there was some sightings in Lake Worth, I

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think in summer of nineteen sixty nine, there was some

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sightings there and there was a I can't think of

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the gentleman's name, but he was he was experiencing some

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some bigfoot activity or some uh crypti activity, and I

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think he he went out and uh he took a

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it's it's white complexed, like you had white hair or

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something like that. And I think I think some people

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the smell if I remember right.

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Speaker 3: It could be. It could be. I do.

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Speaker 1: I do have an interesting story for with that, Matt

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that that hardly anybody knows this story. My mom and

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dad whenever there were whenever they were dating, they were dating,

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like in the late fifties, early sixties, this happened and

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Casino Park and Ballroom off Lakeworth and it was it

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a state fair that had roller coasters, that had dance

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halls and stuff like that. And my mom and dad

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went to the to the to the ballroom to go

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to a dance and as they arrived, she told me

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there was hundreds of people just running out. And if

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and Ballroom off of Lakeworth, they have they have a

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ballroom and the back of the ballroom is like as

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big old windows and it overlooks the lake. And the

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people that were running Now we're shouting goat man to

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my mom and dad and they said they had there

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were the people that were dancing close to the windows

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could see a Lakeworth monster, the goat man or whatever,

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and they all ran out, and like my mom was

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getting there, it goes, what are they talking about?

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Speaker 3: And they just went in.

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Speaker 1: There was a very there was a very few amount

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of people who stayed and continue dancing. So so my

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mom told me that story, and I go, why didn't

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you tell me this? Sooner because I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: It, so I'm racking my brain trying to remember.

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Speaker 2: Seems like at first there was like descriptions of it,

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like you're saying, being called a goat man and everything,

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in hair and was being called a goat man. I

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think some people said it even had scales. And then

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there was a guy who kind of tried claiming that

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he was responsible for it and was just pulling pranks.

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I think like there was another kid, you know, high

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schooler that got like a tire thrown at him by

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the creature or something, which I don't know how, Like,

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I mean, tires aren't easy to throw, Like you can't

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just throw a tire at someone. But that photograph, as

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far as I'm aware of, has never been debunked.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And that's from Alan Plaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just kind of weird that a photograph would

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stand up to scrutiny that long as something unexplainable and

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nobody having taken credit for it, you know, as you know,

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yeah I faked it or that was me in a

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costume or why would they even have a costume on?

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And it's just kind of a crazy z really kind

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of eerie photo because especially with the coloring of it

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being you know, all light in color like that, almost white.

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I mean, what could it have been if somebody were

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faking that? What? What are some of the possible explanations.

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Speaker 1: Could be like a stuffed stuffed bear or something like that,

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this just stood up or something. But I was kind

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of thinking that this was before anybody like had ever

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talked about bigfoots are possible bigfoots of being different.

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Speaker 3: Colors, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And this was who who would put a backside of

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any animal and take a picture of it, you know,

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who would who would catch that? I mean that was

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just to me. I've never I've never even seen the

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word hoax a tied tied into that picture at all.

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Speaker 2: No, It's just something that I've kind of always tossed

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around in my head because like, Okay, if it is fake.

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If first off, if it's fake, that Alan Plaster guy

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that took the photograph would have to be responsible in

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some way, which he was never found not to be credible,

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you know. Yeah, And then if you were going to

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fake something like that. It's kind of a rough thing

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because it's kind of like the Paris in film where

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everybody's like, well, why would you put breasts on it?

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You know, why would you make it female and go

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to that trouble, But this to me seems even like

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even more so, like why would you use something white

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in color? You know, if you've got something like a

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fur coat or something, I don't think you'd pick like

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white as the color to go with. It just seems

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kind of off and like you're saying, so many witnesses

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saw the thing, but it also kind of abruptly disappeared,

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like people stopped reporting and seeing it all of a sudden.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I also you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I also wanted to say that you can

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probably take an account to that area was probably not

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that developed and especially in the fifties, and it is

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like it seems like it seems like the more as

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time goes the sightings for you know, North Texas, it

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kind of moves east a little bit more or north

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toward the the Oklahoma border. So I mean, it is

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possible that there was a big foot in that area,

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maybe scouted in an area, or it was a century

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or it was just looking forging for food and then

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found out one area and then then moved north or east.

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So that's what I was just kind of thinking on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the white ones and lighter color ones are just

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really rare, but there's definitely reports of them out there.

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And I always thought kind of, like a lot of

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people think that it could have been just an old

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age thing, like hair changing color like it does with humans.

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But there was a report out of Kansas that I

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read that, as far as I'm concerned, seemed really legit

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kind of odd to associate bigfoot with Kansas, but it happens.

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And it was this guy who went to relieve himself.

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He was going somewhere. He was on a highway, pulled

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off to the side of the road and walked down

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this embankment underneath the overpass, and the overpass was going

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over a creek, if I remember right, and he wanted,

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you know, just to walk down there out of sight

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to relieve himself. And he went down there and encountered

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a what would be described as a juvenile bigfoot, a

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smaller one, but it was white or light gray in

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color and was only like four foot tall or something.

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And so if that's the case, then it wouldn't be

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something age related, it would be Yeah, you know, I

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think albinoism would stand out. You know, I think somebody

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would recognize that if they were looking at something that

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was albino. And I don't think this guy thought it

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was an albino of any kind, just that that's what

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hair color it had. So I found that kind of

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odd because that certainly wouldn't be beneficial for hiding from

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humans to have light colored hair like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were You ever think sometimes also it could?

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It could possibly because I think of this whenever. And

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I don't mean to straight off subject here, but you

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ever think about like we had a sider report in Conroe.

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This lady said that she saw a bigfoot in a

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transco And after years of thinking about it, I've kind

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of just thought the idea of what if it's just

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matted hair that was leaned on a clay mud and

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it got stuck, and it just stuck all over him

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and his hair's mad it and it just looks like

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a trench cope and it's really not Do you ever

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thinking about that about especially about this story that maybe

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it was just lighter, lighter mud. It gets just got

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stuck to his hair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. I mean, if you spend enough

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time thinking about this stuff, you think about all kinds

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of crazy stuff, right, Yeah. And I mean at one

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point in time I even kicked around the idea that, uh,

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you know, we talked earlier off air about how there

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used to be sightings described as what we would call

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a snouted bigfoot before the dog Men popularity happened. Yep,

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And at one point in time I thought, maybe that's

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bigfoot wearing like a mask, like using like a boar's

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head as a mask or something to try and change

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the way it looks, change its profile or be intimidating

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or something. So the idea of mud being caked up

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and everything giving the appearance of clothes or coloring of

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some kind, like, yeah, I mean why not. But there's

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been a few reports over the years of bigfoot scene

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wearing clothing, which is kind of crazy, and I always

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thought maybe they just like stole it off clotheslines or something.

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But like, you know, how'd you get those draws on

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a bigfoot?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's them just trying to fit in.

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Speaker 2: Literally, something that comes a lot up a lot on

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bigfoot podcasts and topics in general, is you know, the

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bigfoot encounters, the bigfoot attacks with the Lake warth Monster.

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You did have a tire throwing incident, no one was injured.

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There's definitely been some stories about rock throwing and stick throwing.

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I've even heard tells of people's vehicles getting hit with

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things as they were driving down the road. But I

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can't recall any stories of bigfoot attacks specifically happening to

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researchers other than one the Dallas Gilbert story out of Ohio.

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But it seems to be something that you hear more

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about on podcasts. You don't read reports about it. You

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know in the databases. Have you, guys, Steve and I

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know you didn't go out a lot, but you did

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go out a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: M hm.

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Speaker 2: Were there ever times were you guys felt like you

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were in danger, specifically from Bigfoot while you're out in

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the field.

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Speaker 3: From my perspective.

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Speaker 4: As a kid, I'm always I was always terrified just

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encountering one because there's always there's always that thought process.

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Even as a kid, I was already thinking, how how

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is I know I'm not gonna how I'm going to react?

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How is Uncle Robert going to react. You know this

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is or are there any of the adults you know

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that were there, because it all depends on how I

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act as versus how they act. So as a kid,

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I was always terrified that they encountered part of it.

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I don't know about you. I think you were just

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excited just just to see one at that moment, right

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when you were out there. You know, I I know

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that there's a chance of it encountering an aggressive one,

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but I know that I was. I felt I still

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felt safe being with Uncle Bob.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the time he was talking

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about Matt is when we went to Big Sandy and

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you know, we had Luke and Billy Simmons, Tim Clay,

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the late Tim Tim Clay, and we were there with

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some paranormal groups and we were doing some calls and

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we got some calls back, and uh then we later

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had Eye Shine to our left. And then when we

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discovered the Eye Shine, then we were getting bombarded with

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rocks from across the street, across the way, and it

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was you could hear it. You could hear the rocks

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going through the the tree limbs and tree leaves, and

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but we were getting bombarded by by rock, like pretty

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good sized rocks. And and then once once we took

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our eyes off the eye shine, the rock stopped and

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the eye shine was gone. So I've had that in

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the field. And then there was times when I was

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up in uh the Keimichi's and we were at a

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fire a little late at night. I don't think you

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were there, Steven, I was. And then I had a big,

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probably a good size, like a two foot size rock

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thrown at us. Is I think we were just being

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loud two foot, yeah, at least two foot. It was

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you could hear. You could hear like the you didn't

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I couldn't see it, but you could hear like the

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thud thud, you know, boom, and it was it was

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rolling toward us. It was like it was a circular boulder,

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and it came into view as the as the fire

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flames were going out, and you could see it.

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Speaker 3: It came, it came in.

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Speaker 1: It was slowing down by the time it came to us,

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but it was pretty loud.

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Speaker 3: It's loud enough to hear it.

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Speaker 1: And I go and we all looked at it was

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it was myself, uh, Tim Clay, Kid Marble, and we

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looked at the boulder, and I said, really loud.

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, I go, I guess we're too loud.

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Well we'll calm down. So I've I've had that in

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the field.

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Speaker 2: But you saw the rock like rolling towards you, though, Yes, yes, yep, man,

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I mean so nobody's like this cabin that you're talking

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about was remote.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you'd have to it was. It was on it

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was on private land. You know, there was owners there

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and you had to you have to when you go.

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Whenever you came onto this property, there was a security

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guard at the front gate with a you'd left the

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gate up and you'd have to have permission to get

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on there. And so there was own property. But the

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area that we were at of this mountain, there was

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only two plots that were sold, and we were we

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were at one of.

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Speaker 2: Them, yeah, and knew the owner of the other one. Yes, yes, yeah.

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So it's not anybody playing Shenanigans carrying a small boulder

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through the woods.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean we didn't. We didn't even

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hear him. We didn't even hear it walk up. We

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just heard like this big thud and we turned, we

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turn in and we could see it rolling toward us.

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Speaker 3: It was it was kind of did you go try

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to go pick up the well? I don't even think

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I have asked you that.

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Speaker 1: Did you go to I think that next morning we did.

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It was it was pretty heavy. It was like I

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had the I had the squat like really low and

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it never made it past my knees.

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Speaker 3: So it's pretty heavy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There was also and this is a secondhand story, but uh,

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Kenny told me a story about how one night at

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the fire he had been out there drinking.

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Speaker 3: I think mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: He'd stayed up pretty late drinking and went on to bed,

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and the next morning, whenever we went out there, like

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a large tree limb was like speared through the chair

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between the seat and the back, like through the gap

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or whatever. Yeah, where he had been sitting and like

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stuck in the ground.

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Speaker 3: I totally believe it.

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Speaker 1: So Jesus, we've I mean we've had we've had other

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stuff happening out there too. I mean there was incidents

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where I think I think you were there, Stephen. We

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were sleeping in the cabin and there was an incident

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where I cause we had if you had to go

478
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,160
to the restroom, there was a outhouse probably like ten

479
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,400
feet away, and we would get up, you know, put

480
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,920
on his shoes, go outside and go to the.

481
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,119
Speaker 3: Outhouse and go to the restroom.

482
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: So I was going out to the restroom and you

483
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,920
could hear like something like pounding on rocks. The whole

484
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:05,079
time was like it was like it was constant, and

485
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,119
it sounded like someone was just hammering.

486
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: On a rock.

487
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: And I yelled really loud, I go, I hear you.

488
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,440
And it stopped for like fifteen seconds and then continued again.

489
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,640
I said, good lord, I'm not gonna be able to sleep.

490
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,599
So I went to the restroom, went back upstairs and

491
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,359
tried to go to sleep, and I think eventually at

492
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,400
dawn it stopped.

493
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: There was an incident that happened at the place that

494
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,519
we called the bathhouse on the dead End side. I've

495
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,920
talked a lot about it over the years because that

496
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:47,160
was the first night where I had a personal experience,

497
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:52,160
which was rock throwing, where I realized, at the very

498
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:57,480
least something crazy was going on. I hadn't had a sighting.

499
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:03,960
I was really knew it was actually, if I remember correctly,

500
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,240
the night before I had my sighting, But in that instance,

501
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,960
I was standing there talking to somebody, we're seeing rocks

502
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,359
fly over our heads from the trees going into the

503
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:24,839
creek behind us, and like splashing in the creek. Even

504
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,960
at that point though, I mean, yeah, everybody says they

505
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,640
see rocks and they're splashing in the creek. Maybe it's

506
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,240
some little fish. You know, I grew up at a lake.

507
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:43,119
There's fish that feed at night. Maybe it's just little fish.

508
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:47,000
Maybe I'm just seeing things flying over my head. But eventually,

509
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,200
as I was standing there talking to someone leaning against

510
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920
the hood of the car, a rock. I heard it

511
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,839
coming through the tree leaves. It hits the hood of

512
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,880
the vehicle. The vehicle was like a light green color

513
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,160
if I remember right, like an old Lincoln or something

514
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:09,799
huge boat, but there was like a light colored backdrop

515
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:13,480
because we didn't have any lights on or anything. And

516
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,319
I saw the rock hit, bounce up, hit my stomach,

517
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,640
and land back on the hood. It was just maybe

518
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,160
the size of like a marble. It wasn't very big

519
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,440
at all. It wasn't thrown forcefully, but I mean the

520
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,440
rock was laying right there in front of me with

521
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:36,680
the trajectory coming from the woods, so I knew something

522
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,000
or someone was in the woods throwing rocks. There's no

523
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,799
doubt about it. And so at that point I was

524
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:50,079
pretty freaked out, you know, because like it's either someone

525
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,599
messing with us or its Bigfoot. And for it to

526
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:57,519
be someone messing with us, they hiked multiple miles through

527
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,720
the woods at night, and there's I mean, how would

528
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,880
they even know that we were out there? There's no way.

529
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,880
But another thing that happened that night after that was

530
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,480
an incident almost identical to the one you're talking about.

531
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,079
The reason we called it the dead end is because

532
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:20,039
there's like a little dead end road right there that

533
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,319
ran parallel to the creek, and there was kind of

534
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:31,759
a turnaround area and then the woods surrounded the road

535
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,200
and the turnaround and the turnaround a little bit beyond

536
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,880
it kind of had like a grassy area with some

537
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,359
really tall like sawgrass, and then on the opposite side

538
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:52,599
you have the creek the entire way. But something and

539
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,240
I say something, because we didn't go investigate, but something

540
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:02,279
very heavy, something very heavy was thrown and hit with

541
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,920
a thud and rolled through that grass and it sounded

542
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,880
like a small boulder like what you're describing, okay, And

543
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:15,359
it was such a loud thud, and I mean It

544
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,480
startled everybody, right, and my buddy Dan Ricky was there,

545
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,839
and I mean he instantly he had a pistol on

546
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,759
his hip and he instantly drew down. I mean, we

547
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:32,680
thought we were going to be attacked. It was extremely

548
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:38,119
loud and extremely big whatever it was. For years afterwards,

549
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,400
not at the time, but for years afterwards, I would

550
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,039
investigate that location and there weren't any big rocks anywhere

551
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,559
around there, and there's nothing off in there except woods

552
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:52,039
and a lake.

553
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: Hm.

554
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,799
Speaker 2: So I don't know what else it could have been.

555
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,720
And I guess that would be aggressive. Some of the

556
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,839
locals had some stories about some aggressive behavior, but I

557
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,400
don't think I would really classify it as attacks, just

558
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,679
more of being run off from an area.

559
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was my question, especially for the

560
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,239
first one. I was gonna say, did you feel threatened

561
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,519
with that little bitty rock? Didn't you hitting the vehicle,

562
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:22,960
hitting your stomach and bouncing back.

563
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: Not really. It freaked me out, just because I had

564
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,039
never experienced rock throwing before, and it meant something had

565
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,360
the ability to throw a rock, right, I mean, but

566
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:41,840
at that point in time, I was still on the fence,

567
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,400
you know, I was still well, these things could be

568
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,519
out there, but I don't know it I had you know,

569
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:53,320
that hasn't been proven to me yet. And then I

570
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,639
mean trying to wrap my head around what was happening,

571
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,000
and then seeing the rock with my own two eyes

572
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:02,679
hit the hood and hit me and land back on

573
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,800
the hood where I couldn't deny it. Yeah, that was weird, man,

574
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,719
that that was really weird. And I spent almost the

575
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,400
next twenty four hours thinking about it. But then I

576
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,960
had a sighting and everything came crashing down.

577
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that second incident, the one of the loud

578
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,880
the loud rock, and then Dan responded to it that

579
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,760
that sented that felt like it.

580
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: It was threatened in a little bit.

581
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the whole thing about that area,

582
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,920
which I didn't know at the time, but later on.

583
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,159
It was kind of an area where like nobody ever

584
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,559
stayed the night there. People got rent off all the time.

585
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,199
There was a story about one coming running out of

586
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,639
the woods and slapping at the vehicle as it drove off.

587
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,280
Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but the

588
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,519
place had a creepy vibe to it at nighttime. Everything

589
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,800
was usually good during the day, but at night time

590
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,599
it was one of those places where like, once it

591
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:11,280
got dark, it got scary, and that's where I heard

592
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:19,199
the voices. That's where I heard the talking. But that area,

593
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,920
you would drive off in there, and it was part

594
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:28,440
of a National park, but it was separated from the

595
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,000
main part of the park by like ten miles or so,

596
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,280
and this particular location was still owned by this, you know,

597
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,840
the national park, but they allowed public hunting there and

598
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,519
there was a couple of camp sites and you'd basically

599
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,320
you could drive in on one side of the creek

600
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,639
and it would branch off and one branch went to

601
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:56,440
the lake and the other one went to the creek.

602
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,960
Or you could drive another seven to ten miles down

603
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,400
the highway and come in on the opposite side of

604
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,400
the creek, and that's where the dead end was at,

605
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,199
and on that side was where they allowed public hunting at.

606
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,800
But in the seven or so years that I was

607
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,320
researching that specific location, I never saw anyone hunting. I

608
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,599
never saw any sign of hunters, never really ran into

609
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,360
anybody down there. There was one time we ran into

610
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,119
some people, but they were actually doing bigfoot stuff, which

611
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:35,119
is kind of crazy to think about. But on the

612
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:39,079
opposite side of the hunting down by the lake. There

613
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,920
was a couple of spots that had like picnic tables

614
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,320
or whatever that were set up where you could like

615
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,679
camp if you wanted to, But it was just like

616
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:53,039
a couple campsites. Never anybody down there ever, never had

617
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:57,159
any trash, no signs of humans at all. And that

618
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,079
place was known as Shotgun Point, and it was known

619
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:07,159
as Shotgun Point because that's how a person had chosen

620
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,559
to end things at that location at one point, which

621
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:17,239
also just naturally gave everything a creepy vibe, you know,

622
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,119
knowing the story and everything behind it. Was it haunted

623
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:22,920
or anything like that? I have no idea.

624
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: Do you think that stretch of that seven ten miles

625
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,679
in that area, you think that's a stretch of either

626
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:37,599
crossing points for these things to move around or they're

627
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:38,840
forging in that area.

628
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,519
Speaker 2: I think it was at one time between the two

629
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,920
locations was just privately owned farmland pretty much. But the

630
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:51,519
part did some weird things. I consider them weird. I mean,

631
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,320
there's explanations for all of them, you know, and I

632
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,119
try to refrain from conspiracy theories as much as possible,

633
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:06,360
but you know, they went in and they eradicated as

634
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,360
many of the cedars as they could, saying that they

635
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,440
were invasive and causing problems and everything. I don't agree

636
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,239
with that. I think they were creating habitat. But they

637
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,840
decided that they wanted to change it from whatever, you know,

638
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,039
a lowlands habitat to a grasslands habitat. And they said

639
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:33,320
that the cedars were invasive and they needed to eradicate them,

640
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,239
so they burnt them all as much as they could anyways,

641
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:44,719
and pretty much turned a heavily wooded area into a

642
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:53,119
wide open space. And at that particular location, you've basically

643
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:56,360
got two lakes. You've got one larger lake and a

644
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,159
smaller lake. The location we were just talking about is

645
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,159
at the larger lake. The location where the cedars were

646
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:06,920
at is at the smaller man made lake. The lake

647
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,840
was made back in the fifties, I think, Well, that

648
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,519
location had a spillway, and the spillway whenever they poured

649
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:23,360
the cement for it and was letting it cure, footprints

650
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,800
showed up in it, of course, and they're still there,

651
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,960
like you can see the footprints. Nobody was seeing leaving footprints.

652
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,880
They don't look human, but they look you know, they've

653
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,119
got some what we would consider bigfoot characteristics to them. Yeah,

654
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:50,760
this location has spawned many Bigfoot sightings. I never personally

655
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,760
had a sighting there. Had a couple of weird things

656
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,679
happen that you know, I would consider could have beens.

657
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:07,320
But that location was the closest point towards the other location,

658
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:14,000
and in between them, like I said, was private property.

659
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,679
I mean, I call it farmland, but nobody's really farming

660
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,159
out there. It's just privately owned land, is all it is.

661
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,639
Lots of woods and creeks and things like that. Well,

662
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,760
after they eradicated let me back up. I know this

663
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,039
is hard to keep up with and confusing to a

664
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:36,360
lot of people listening, and I apologize. Before I started

665
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,559
researching there, I knew some of the locals that lived there,

666
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:45,800
and some of those locals were also researchers. This particular location,

667
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:53,400
the spillway location, was a prime investigation area for some

668
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,079
of the locals, and at one point the Park Service

669
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:03,039
came in and completely closed it down to build not

670
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:06,719
the spillway but like a parking lot or something, but

671
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,079
closed it down for like six months out of a year.

672
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:15,119
Who does that, Yeah, no access. Then they finally reopened it.

673
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:22,719
Then later on in life, they eradicate the cedars. Well,

674
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,519
then they closed it down again and got rid of

675
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:33,360
the parking lot and changed everything and basically turned it

676
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:37,639
into a tourist attraction. The spillway ran off into a creek,

677
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,159
and this creek was famous for bigfoot activity. It runs

678
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:49,079
all through the park. Lots of sidings happened along that creekway. Well,

679
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,480
now that creekway has a bridge built over it, and

680
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:59,679
there's an entire RV park and a Native American museum

681
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:04,960
where the wilderness once was, where it would have been,

682
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,679
exactly where the bigfoot would have crossed back and forth

683
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,039
between those two locations.

684
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: The cedars, the eradication of the cedars, that interested me

685
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:20,639
because I know, you know, in Texas Skier that's usually

686
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,719
how I tell people. I tell people in these Texas

687
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,320
and I go, if you got bigfoots on your land,

688
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,519
if you got cedars or the tips of them are broken,

689
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,800
there's a good chance there's bigfoot there. And then they

690
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,719
you know, I know, this is all conjecture, and you

691
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,000
know it's been my I you know, my theory that

692
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,840
they use it for medical purposes, you know, during the

693
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,440
summer to ward off. You know, the mosquitoes, flies, whatever

694
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,920
that they rub against it, and so for them to

695
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,360
do that, I just find it interesting.

696
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've talked about it over the years.

697
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,760
I agree. If somebody's looking for a place to start

698
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,280
looking for bigfoot in their area, find the cedar trees.

699
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,199
I mean, that's the quickest way I start. If you

700
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,599
can find some cedar trees near a creek, you're doing good.

701
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:19,320
It's not an always or a definite, but like you're saying,

702
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:27,119
we've found a lot of locations have cedar trees like that,

703
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,760
and they, I agree, use them for all sorts of things,

704
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:37,559
and it just makes sense. You know. The Native Americans

705
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:42,679
use the cedar trees for different reasons. Game animals use

706
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,280
the cedar trees. They provide cover, they provide food, They

707
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,079
have a lot of pluses to them. And then you

708
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:56,000
find in certain areas the tops twisted and broken out,

709
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,239
and sometimes the bottoms are snapped and pulled down like

710
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,440
a tepee, and find all kinds of interesting things around

711
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,960
the seed of tree. So yeah, whenever they eradicated the cedars,

712
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,480
I found that really strange because I mean, like I said,

713
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,320
I've been researching the area for a long time. It

714
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,920
doesn't make any sense. It wasn't causing any problems, and

715
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,199
it wasn't going to add any benefit to the area.

716
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,559
They weren't like overgrowing the place. There was still lots

717
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:27,000
of grassland habitat for other animals. So yeah, I don't

718
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,039
really know why they did it. I mean, I think

719
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:34,239
I know. I think I know, but can I prove

720
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,760
it now. But I think they wanted to move Bigfoot

721
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,199
out of the area because they wanted to increase tourist

722
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,800
revenue and they needed to get rid of the bigfoot

723
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,320
to do that. Because this park was famous for bigfoot,

724
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:52,159
not in the sense of it's like a landmark for

725
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,119
tourists to go to to see Bigfoot, but because the

726
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,199
locals all knew about them, and people had sightings there

727
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,519
all the time for numerous years, and even sometimes tourists

728
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,760
would have sightings and report it, and we would get

729
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,440
those reports, so we knew it was going on. And

730
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,599
there was a couple of instances where there were some

731
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,760
reported attacks in that park. There was an instance where

732
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,440
a woman was leaving one of the restroom buildings at

733
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:30,920
night and as she came out, something hit her and

734
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,400
knocked her to the ground with a large hairy arm

735
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:37,400
and ran off into the darkness. It happened too fast

736
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,119
for her to really get a good look. She just

737
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:43,599
saw a big, hairy arm knocking her down. Can that

738
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:48,599
be considered an attack? I mean, technically, obviously, it could

739
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,880
have been much worse in my opinion. And then there

740
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,320
was another incident that happened where a guy reported he

741
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,679
was hiking on this one trail that I'm all too

742
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,679
aware that follows that creek that I was talking about.

743
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,159
It actually follows the creek and runs below a cliff

744
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:12,639
on the opposite side, so it's I mean, you're completely isolated.

745
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:14,639
There's nowhere for you to go. You can either jump

746
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:18,800
in the water or go back the opposite way. And

747
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:25,920
according to the report that he filed, a gorilla jumped

748
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,760
out onto the trail in front of him and charged

749
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,760
him and hit him in the chest and he fell down.

750
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,840
And by the time he got his composure and sat

751
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,159
back up, thinking he was about to be mauled by

752
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:46,320
this escaped gorilla, it was just gone. No sign of

753
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,480
it anywhere. But it was interesting because he didn't say

754
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,920
a big foot, he said a gorilla. And I don't

755
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,960
know what the reason behind it would be. But it

756
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:05,199
just seems kind of odd that something would do that

757
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,519
and then just disappear when it could have just stayed,

758
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,039
hid him and let him pass. So it would have

759
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:13,599
had to have a reason to do it, But I'm

760
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:14,719
not sure what the reason is.

761
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 5: There's something that he's not saying, or you're left out,

762
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,679
Like if you get knocked down by something like that,

763
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,599
does it knock you out completely for a good second

764
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:28,559
and then.

765
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:33,079
Speaker 3: Like did he pass out? That is what I'm asking.

766
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, Like if you get hit by

767
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,840
a gorilla, I would think that that's gonna knock you out.

768
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 3: It's gonna if it hits you in the.

769
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,599
Speaker 4: Chest, knock the air out of you, you're gonna be

770
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,199
like all kinds like you just got hit by a car.

771
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:51,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost it almost sounds like the Danny Sweeten. Yeah,

772
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,360
but Danny Sweedton walked up on this when he was

773
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,960
I think his report was he walked up on it

774
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,679
while I was sleeping, and he was he felt there

775
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,800
was like not down win of it, so just Bigfoot

776
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,599
didn't notice him, and then as he startled the bigfoot,

777
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,559
Bigfoot jumped up, pushed him over, and took off running.

778
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,280
So maybe it startled him.

779
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: I don't know.

780
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of the Danny Sweeten case. I know

781
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,079
that it was you know, called into question, and there's

782
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:26,039
some things about it whatever. Not here to argue that, right. However,

783
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,559
the Danny Sweeten case, one thing that was different about

784
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:37,840
it was Sweeten came forward with a bigfoot story, right,

785
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,760
and he had the video and everything, which is obviously

786
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,039
a plus because it's not just a story. He would

787
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:51,119
have also had to have some sort of costume and

788
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:58,000
staged an entire incident. Right. These other two people, whenever

789
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:04,760
I say reports, they called nine to one one. These

790
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:10,760
weren't bigfoot reports. They called the police because something happened. Yeah,

791
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,480
And to me that stands out because they are both tourists,

792
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:18,119
they were camping, you know, they're not from the area.

793
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,320
They didn't mention bigfoot in their reports, and they actually

794
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,199
called the cops and that's where the reports came from.

795
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, those those had some validity to it because it

796
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,760
sounds like these people don't know anything about the area

797
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:35,559
or bigfoot.

798
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's also, like you know, mundane sidings

799
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:46,679
by tourists in the area. There was a centamon one

800
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,000
often seen on the opposite side of the creek, kind

801
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:50,760
of in the same area where the guy said he

802
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,199
got attacked by a gorilla. There was some incidents that

803
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:03,440
happened up on top of the cliff. But again they're

804
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,079
all just stories, man, you know, you just hear stories.

805
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Whether or not they're true, who knows. Personally, I can't

806
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:20,920
say that I ever felt necessarily like I was in danger,

807
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,440
but there was at least one instance in the park

808
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,880
where reflecting back on what was happening, it seems like

809
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,199
I might have been in danger. If that makes sense.

810
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:37,559
Speaker 3: It does.

811
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,559
Speaker 2: I do believe at one point in time they tried

812
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:51,000
to isolate me into the woods by myself in the dark,

813
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,079
but I turned around and went back down the trail decided,

814
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,079
you know, kind of snapped out of it. For a second,

815
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:03,079
I was following whistling that was paralleling me, trying to

816
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:04,960
get a look at it because I knew what it was,

817
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,280
so I wanted to see it. And it just kept

818
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,239
on moving a little bit farther ahead, staying in the cover.

819
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,599
I would move, you know, twenty feet down the trail,

820
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,960
it would whistle again, and now it was fifteen feet

821
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,199
farther up, and I'm just continuing following it, you know,

822
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,280
down this trail, and this trail's going deeper into cover

823
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,519
and deeper into the woods, away from my research partner,

824
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,800
and I got to the point where it kind of wedges.

825
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,760
The tree line kind of wedges and comes together on

826
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,599
each side of the trail. And whenever I got to

827
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:48,199
that wedge point, I decided, name I'm a little too

828
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:52,440
close to the trees now. Before I had a little

829
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,480
bit of open area between me and the tree line.

830
00:52:55,039 --> 00:53:00,679
If I keep following this whistling that I'm hearing, I'm

831
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,280
gonna have to get really close. And I'm looking back

832
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,679
behind me, and it's gotten darker now and I can

833
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,840
hardly see. I don't have a flashlight or anything. I

834
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,119
don't know where my research partner is, so I decided

835
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:17,159
to turn around and go back. I don't necessarily know

836
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,960
that anything bad would have happened, but it just kind

837
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,719
of felt like I was being lured, which you know,

838
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,119
lots of folkl are out there about don't follow the whistling.

839
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:34,880
That's exactly what I was doing, So who knows.

840
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: I think you went good with your gut on that one.

841
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you were in a trance? Not

842
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:45,800
really at trance as much as just curiosity.

843
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:50,559
Speaker 2: Hyper focused focused on you know, just like trying to

844
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,280
follow it through and not really paying attention to what

845
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,599
was going on other than that.

846
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: What do you think would happened if you whistled back?

847
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,119
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember if I ever tried

848
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,119
to be perfectly honest, because.

849
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,159
Speaker 1: There's there's Native American law about whistling in the woods.

850
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't whistle at night, that's one one of

851
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,679
them is always this is what I've always heard.

852
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: We have done things like thrown rocks back into the woods.

853
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

854
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: I used to throw pennies into the woods to see

855
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,880
if they would come back, but nothing ever did.

856
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's curious. I mean, just.

857
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: To have that happen. I can't recall. I can't recall

858
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,800
if ever, if I've every experienced whistling really.

859
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I think of it the main times I

860
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:47,000
went with you.

861
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard I've heard grunts, boots, snorts, uh, talking.

862
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,280
I don't think I've ever heard like clapping or rock clicking.

863
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,039
I don't think i've ever heard whistles.

864
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was just single tone, human sounding whistles.

865
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

866
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,119
Speaker 1: Do you think it was if it wasn't trying to

867
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,960
lure you, do you think it could have been them

868
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,960
signaling another bigfoot saying, hey, there's a human over here,

869
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,719
be careful, let.

870
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: Me lure him away. So yeah, way, because maybe that

871
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,599
other one was okay, okay. So here's what happened the

872
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:37,159
entire story. We were going down to this area to

873
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:42,000
see if we could find any tracks or anything going on.

874
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,440
It was like at dusk whenever we got there. And

875
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:52,239
this area as the creek runs through there, there's a

876
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,840
little clearing area by the creek where it's like a

877
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:00,760
picnic area. And this picnic area they eventually they had

878
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,400
one of those metal frame picnic tables with the wooden

879
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,280
seats on top. But then there's also like a concrete

880
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,760
slab picnic table that's like built into the ground. But

881
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,760
the one with the metal frame and the wooden slats,

882
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,440
they eventually had to chain it to a tree because

883
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,719
something kept on throwing it in the creek. Now obviously

884
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,360
it could be kids, right, but it happened a lot,

885
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,880
so they had to start chaining it to the tree.

886
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,960
So again that's why we were going down there. It

887
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,920
was an area where there might be activity. We wanted

888
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,519
to check it out. We were just gonna hang out

889
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:42,239
there and kind of make our plan. It was a

890
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,519
nice spot to kind of chill and sit down, and

891
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,239
there's like a little parking area and you walk down

892
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,320
the trail and the trail turns off into the woods

893
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,400
and then comes out into the clearing, or the trail

894
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,360
goes straight and goes across a little wooden foot bridge

895
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:03,559
and then goes into this other area that's kind of

896
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:07,119
like on the opposite side of the woods there. Well,

897
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,800
we pulled into the parking area and got out of

898
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,000
the truck, and as soon as we got out of

899
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,440
the truck, there was a loud whoop from down in

900
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,079
the picnic area right there by us, and we were

901
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:26,119
just like, holy shit. So we take off down there.

902
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,840
As we get to the part where the trail turns

903
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,840
and goes down to that area, we hear something running

904
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:40,679
splashing through the creek as it's crossing the creek. So,

905
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:46,960
I mean, there was no visual but we were pretty

906
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,840
certain that a bigfoot was down there, so we knew

907
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,639
it had crossed the creek. We ran over to the

908
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:59,239
creek and you could see footsteps in the creek. It

909
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,440
was still kind of like muddy where it had just stepped,

910
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:06,679
and then on the opposite side was rocky bank, but

911
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:13,320
you could see the wet outlines of footprints. Well, the

912
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,800
creek's too big for us to cross, so we have

913
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,920
to go back up the trail and go across the

914
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,079
footbridge to get to the other side where the trail

915
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:26,239
parallels the creek. So we crossed the footbridge, I turned

916
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:30,199
down the trail. My research partner goes straight going to

917
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:37,000
the other location that I talked about. So we're separating intentionally,

918
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:41,440
but we're trying to like get on both sides of

919
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:45,960
where we think this thing is at. Well, there's an

920
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:51,320
old bathroom right there where the trail goes off by

921
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,639
the creek, but it's closed down. Nobody uses it. It's

922
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:58,199
just hella creepy. It's got vines growing all over it.

923
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:04,280
But whenever I got past it, that's when I heard

924
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,920
the first whistle. And it's coming from like I said,

925
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,280
there's like a clearing, I say clearing. It's undergrowth and

926
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,639
brush and everything. And then the tree line happens probably

927
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:23,920
about I don't know, maybe twenty yards or so from

928
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,400
the trail that I'm on. Yeah, and in that tree

929
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:34,199
line somewhere. I hear just a single tone whistle, and

930
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,719
I first call out my research partner's name because I'm thinking, like,

931
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,719
is that him whistling at me? Like how did he

932
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,880
get over there so fast? He doesn't respond, and then

933
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,320
I hear the whistle again, so I move on down

934
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,639
the trail because I'm trying to change my line of

935
00:59:52,719 --> 01:00:00,519
sight to see what this is whistling. It's not coming

936
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:03,159
from up in the trees. It's coming from inside the

937
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:09,639
tree line what I would consider about head height, right

938
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:13,679
around in that range. So I'm like, okay, what is that.

939
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:16,960
It's not now, I mean, it sounds like a person whistling.

940
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:19,920
It's just a single tone whistle. I move down the

941
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,400
trail a little ways, trying to see I hear the

942
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:27,039
whistle again, but it's to the left, it's a little

943
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:30,239
bit further away, and it's like coming from behind a tree.

944
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,440
But it's clear and it's loud, and I'm like, what

945
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,519
the hell? So I keep on moving down the trail

946
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,440
trying to see what it is, and I'm staring at

947
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,360
the tree line. You know, of course, in my mind,

948
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,639
of course it's a bigfoot, you know, that's obviously what

949
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:49,239
I'm thinking, trying to be as open minded as possible,

950
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,800
but like, you know, this is a big foot whistling

951
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,599
on me. So I'm wanting to see it, like run

952
01:00:55,679 --> 01:00:59,239
between the trees, but I don't. I don't see anything.

953
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,280
And I get a little bit further down the trail,

954
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,039
same thing happens again. It's just moving a little bit

955
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,079
farther ahead of me. It just keeps on doing this,

956
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,639
and this happens like four or five times, and I'm

957
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,519
walking down the trail. Eventually I get to the point

958
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,719
where we saw the footprints going across the creek. I'm

959
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,280
on the opposite side of the creek now at that

960
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,320
same location. I've made it that far. This thing is

961
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,880
still whistling, just a little bit farther ahead, and I

962
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,840
just want to see it so bad, and I just

963
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,519
keep going and keep going and keep going. And like

964
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:36,239
I said, eventually I got to that wedge and it

965
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,280
was just kind of like a moment where my hackles

966
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,239
stood on end and I'm like, you know what, this

967
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,760
isn't a good idea. I'm by myself and headed towards

968
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,960
the woods, like I don't even know where this goes.

969
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,679
I don't know where this trail goes. I've never been

970
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:58,400
this direction before, so I turned around and went back. Well,

971
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:05,239
as I'm going back, my research partner comes out into

972
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,320
the clearing where the picnic area is on the opposite

973
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,280
side of the creek. He's doubled back and came back.

974
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:16,159
So I'm gonna walk over there and tell him what

975
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:23,519
I just experienced. So go down the trail turn off

976
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:31,440
across the footbridge. Thing, I've got this walking stick, a

977
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:36,079
large walking stick. It's like a sapling or something that

978
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:40,159
a beaver had chewed. And I'm carrying it with me.

979
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,480
One for snakes, you know, poking around checking for snakes

980
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:47,760
ahead of me if I need it. But two, I

981
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,599
had an injured ankle. As I'm walking down the trail,

982
01:02:53,679 --> 01:03:02,199
there's this log I guess, yes, a big dead tree

983
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,320
log laying next to the trail, like right off the

984
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,960
side of the trail, right next to me. And it

985
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:13,800
looks like it's covered in like thick dead grass. It's

986
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,559
pretty dark. I can't see real great detail, but that's

987
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:22,239
what it looks like. And I'm just I don't know why,

988
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,679
but for some reason it cashes my attention and I'm

989
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:28,559
like looking at it, and I momentarily have the urge

990
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,000
to poke it with a stick. I'm like, no, just

991
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,119
get back to my research partner. Tell him what's going on.

992
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:36,639
It's getting dark. I don't have a flashlight or anything,

993
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:42,280
and I just keep going. Go over there, tell him

994
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,079
what happened. I like, anything happened to you?

995
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:45,159
Speaker 3: No?

996
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,159
Speaker 2: Nothing. He went and checked the other area, but it

997
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:51,039
was all quiet, nothing going on. So he came back.

998
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,639
He didn't know that I had gone so far down

999
01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:59,320
that trail and like the whole whistling thing had happened,

1000
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:01,639
and he's like, well, let's go back over there and

1001
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:04,480
check it out. And now that you know I'm here, okay.

1002
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,360
So we're headed back and we get to the log

1003
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:18,719
and it's gone. There's nothing there. There's an empty space

1004
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:26,960
where it was and grass and leaf clutter on the ground,

1005
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,320
no long dead grass, no big lump or anything like

1006
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,599
that lane there next to the trail, And like my

1007
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:40,199
heart just dropped, like frozen my tracks.

1008
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:43,119
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, did you pause there whenever

1009
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:43,800
you saw it?

1010
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:44,119
Speaker 3: Missy?

1011
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? I stopped him and I was like, dude, there

1012
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,239
was just something here. There's there was a and like

1013
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,400
my mind is just like broken, like I'm I'm shorted out.

1014
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:01,199
I'm like, what is happening? I just saw like because

1015
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,360
I mean, in my mind what I saw was like

1016
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,400
this lump on the ground, but it was huge. It

1017
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,400
was so I like thought it was like a dead

1018
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,079
log and like grass had grown over it and died

1019
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:18,760
and was like covering the log. That's what I thought

1020
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,480
it was. But now the whole thing was just gone

1021
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:27,679
and it didn't look like anything had been there. So

1022
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:36,000
I have no idea. The only thing I mean was

1023
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:40,559
that hair instead of dead grass was I mean, was

1024
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:47,159
something laying there perfectly still camouflaged? And I just I mean,

1025
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:52,320
I don't know, dude, I don't know, but uh, it

1026
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,320
freaked me out. I mean, I still have no explanation

1027
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:56,760
for it.

1028
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:00,679
Speaker 3: I do. I do, recall you tell me the story.

1029
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now that you tell the end of the story,

1030
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:09,559
that tells me that this other one was trying to

1031
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:13,760
lure you away, and maybe your other research partner was

1032
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,960
too close and it just decided just to lay down

1033
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,400
and just cam you know, camo itself, which which which

1034
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,960
makes sense, you know. I mean I've heard stories of

1035
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:30,519
like like airplanes going over an area and they see

1036
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,880
like a bigfoot in an open area and then it

1037
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:37,800
just stops and just drops to one knee that way.

1038
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,280
You think it's like a like a tree stump or something,

1039
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,280
And so I've heard stories like that.

1040
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,519
Speaker 3: So maybe it was.

1041
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: Trying to lure you away and your other partner was

1042
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,280
too close, and so it just decided, you know what,

1043
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,480
I'm just gonna lay down our air of ly he

1044
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:52,159
doesn't see me.

1045
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: Obviously, We've heard lots of stories where people were like,

1046
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,280
I thought I was looking at a tree stump, or

1047
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,559
I thought I was looking at an old burnt you know,

1048
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,079
tree log or something, and then it got up and

1049
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:06,920
walked off, you know that sort of thing. Yeah, And

1050
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,079
I mean, like I you, you wouldn't have noticed this

1051
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:13,280
thing laying there, if that's what it was.

1052
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:15,239
Speaker 3: How close were you to it?

1053
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, within three feet? It was right.

1054
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

1055
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:25,639
Speaker 2: I almost poked it with the stick because it just

1056
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:33,159
subconsciously it was just like, what's that? You know, It

1057
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:37,199
was like one of those moments. But like I know,

1058
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,880
people would ask, well, obviously you had some sort of

1059
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,679
preconceived notion about it, if you're going to poke it

1060
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:44,639
with a stick, But I didn't. At no point in

1061
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:47,159
my time, did it cross my mind that, like, is

1062
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:50,480
that a bigfoot lay in there? Stick stick? Like, No,

1063
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:55,760
that never crossed my mind. It was just like my

1064
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,800
brain subconsciously knew because I had been at that location

1065
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,559
so many times previously, that I was looking at something

1066
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:09,000
that wasn't supposed to be there. My subconscious knew that

1067
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:13,199
there's no dead log there, right, or at least there's

1068
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:14,000
not supposed to be.

1069
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you were going through because

1070
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,600
that There's been times where I've walked through the woods

1071
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,560
and I've noticed like a tree or a big branch

1072
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,399
of a tree that was really swollen, and I'm you know,

1073
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,520
you you see like you know, trees and branches and

1074
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:37,279
foliage and bushes and stuff. But sometimes I'll catch that though,

1075
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:42,119
that's weird, that's super weird, and then I just continue going.

1076
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,680
But I get what you were doing there, because if

1077
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,279
it's noticeable, you stop and notice it.

1078
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:53,039
Speaker 2: But like if I had poked it with the stick,

1079
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,239
I mean, I don't know what would have happened.

1080
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 3: You'd have been Danny Sweden. You'd to be on the ground.

1081
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,159
So it had jumped up.

1082
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: Like that, If that log had jumped up and taken

1083
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,560
off running. You would still hear me screaming to this day.

1084
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:18,399
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, oh man, but yeah, so like I mean,

1085
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,600
dangerous maybe, but I don't feel like it was.

1086
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:26,119
Speaker 1: It.

1087
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:31,359
Speaker 2: Okay, it didn't seem aggressive, but it does, in hindsight

1088
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,359
seem predatory.

1089
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:33,520
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1090
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 2: And I guess that's what bothers me did.

1091
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: I you know, did we know each other then whenever

1092
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,439
you had this experience.

1093
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes, but it was before we became friends, Okay,

1094
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:51,479
but I'm not one that because all that stuff blurs

1095
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,680
together so much back then, yeah, you know, because I

1096
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,880
mean I was ate up with it, so I was.

1097
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:07,159
They're researching all the freaking time for years, and so

1098
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:10,039
like a lot of stuff happened. I mean, I've got

1099
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:15,840
stories that I've never told before. There's probably stuff at

1100
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,039
this point that I've even forgotten about, as crazy as

1101
01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:22,039
that sounds. And it's not like we were just having

1102
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:25,199
sightings all the time or anything, but weird stuff like

1103
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:29,159
that was happening all the time. Yeah, I mean the

1104
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:35,840
number of times I've heard, you know, tree knocks or vocalizations,

1105
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:41,520
or seen footprints where they shouldn't be, or there is

1106
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,800
this one time the same place where I had my

1107
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,880
original sighting, which I always joke about being in a

1108
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,960
parking lot, but that's where it was. But I mean,

1109
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,920
we would visit that spot regularly. And I wasn't the

1110
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,199
only person that ever had a siding at that location.

1111
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,439
Other people had sightings there too. That's why we were

1112
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,640
there to begin with, right, But stuff would happen there

1113
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,239
all the time. And I mean there was one time

1114
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:11,439
in particular where I was just sitting on the curb

1115
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,199
in front of the building, and there's like the entrance

1116
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:19,239
to the trail system is next to the building, and

1117
01:11:19,279 --> 01:11:21,640
again it's on the opposite side of that same creek

1118
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,319
that goes through the park, and there's like a little

1119
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:26,560
bridge there, and then on the opposite side of the

1120
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:33,680
bridge there's like one of those if people have been

1121
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:38,119
on hiking trails sometimes they have these like trailhead signs

1122
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:41,279
and they'll have like flyers posted on them and stuff,

1123
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:45,920
and it'll have like a plastic you know, cover to

1124
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,600
it that they can lift up and change out the

1125
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,840
information and close it back up and lock it or whatever. Right,

1126
01:11:52,079 --> 01:11:55,399
And I was sitting there on the curb and this

1127
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:01,600
sign is probably I don't know, maybe one hundred feet

1128
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,920
from where I'm sitting and something just smacks the hell

1129
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,159
out of it. I mean, just slaps the plastic with

1130
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:14,159
its hand. That's all it could have been. And I

1131
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:16,720
mean I was just like sitting right there, and if

1132
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:22,520
I leaned back, I could look down that trail and

1133
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,880
see that sign. And I mean, this was just obvious.

1134
01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:30,720
And you would hear stuff like running around the whole

1135
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,800
time on both sides of the parking lot in the

1136
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:38,800
woods vocalizations on a regular basis. It would sound like

1137
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:43,720
entire groups of them moving through their vocalizing. One time,

1138
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,720
there was a big group of them in there. We

1139
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,760
called it cutting up, just making all kinds of whoops

1140
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,560
and stuff and just hanging out inside the tree line

1141
01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:00,560
and checking us out, you know, and we're kind of honestly,

1142
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,119
we were just kind of goofing off, you know. We

1143
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:10,279
weren't recording or anything, just entertaining ourselves with the bigfoot. Now,

1144
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,479
people would argue, oh, well, you don't know it was

1145
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:20,119
a bigfoot. You're right, we don't. But eventually something from

1146
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:26,079
deeper in the woods roared very loudly, roared, screamed, whatever

1147
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:29,279
you wanted to call it, and everything else went dead quiet.

1148
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:33,560
All the vocalizations that we had been hearing, and like,

1149
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,279
you know, we would do vocalizations and try to get

1150
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:39,359
a response, and that sort of thing. All that stopped.

1151
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:44,600
The whole atmosphere changed. And then you heard something big,

1152
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:49,239
breaking limbs and coming through the woods and it's kind

1153
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:53,079
of up on this It's kind of like a rise

1154
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:56,680
because you're kind of like down in a valley, right

1155
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:01,319
and this thing's moving through there. And then it stops,

1156
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,720
and then you hear pop pop pop up crack crack crack,

1157
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,159
and I mean it sounds like a tree is being

1158
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:14,000
shoved down and hits the ground boom. And I was like,

1159
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,840
holy crap, we have got to go, We've got to go.

1160
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,119
I was scared. I was terrified at that point. Right

1161
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,880
in my imagination, the Alpha mel had just come in

1162
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,079
and told everybody to shut up and was pissed off.

1163
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,720
And so we loaded up in the truck and we

1164
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,359
haled it out of there, and we kind of drove,

1165
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:41,520
you know, a few miles away, and I was just

1166
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,640
like starting to calm down. I was like, all right,

1167
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,079
all right, let's go back. Let's just go back. And

1168
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:50,479
so we turned around and we went back. That was

1169
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,279
kind of the general rule at any given point, if

1170
01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:55,960
anybody was ready to leave, we would leave. If somebody

1171
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,600
got scared and wanted to leave, we would leave.

1172
01:14:58,399 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1173
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,039
Speaker 2: But I was like, let's go back, let's go back.

1174
01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:05,199
I'm okay, it was just noise, you know, I didn't

1175
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:10,159
see anything. So we went back and everything was different,

1176
01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:15,399
everything was gone. There wasn't any vocalizations anymore. Uh, whatever

1177
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,439
was there had left. And then the next day we

1178
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,920
went back and I spent quite a bit of time

1179
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,600
looking for that tree that I heard get pushed over,

1180
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:29,239
and I could not find it. I never did find it. Yeah,

1181
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,279
and that was kind of freaky because I know, I

1182
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heard a tree being pushed over, and trees don't just vanish.

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Speaker 3: No, they don't.

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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about how I would react if you know,

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just the whole incident, you know, back to what you

1186
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were seeing with it laying on the ground like got it.

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M I honestly would think I would have nightmares after it,

1188
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just knowing what it was. When you think about.

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Speaker 2: It, I mean, Okay, so you talk about a lot

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of bigfoot stuff and encryptid stuff and paranormal stuff. Do

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01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:11,319
you have any interest to go research any of it anymore? Uh.

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01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: For me, I don't mind it.

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01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 4: I just I don't pursue it actively as some would.

1194
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,880
But if the right time comes along, I don't mind it.

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01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,279
I'm pretty sure Bob would say the same.

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01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 3: Well, I would. I would do it.

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01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: If someone really needed it, someone really needed help, I would,

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01:16:34,039 --> 01:16:37,960
I would do it. I mean, there's there's stuff going

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on at our house right now, and you know some

1200
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:47,119
of it. Some of it I call it. I call

1201
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:51,159
it bleedover. Matt was when sometimes you don't get a

1202
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:53,800
lot of paranormal stuff all the time, it's just every

1203
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,880
now and then, and we we get it here every

1204
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,159
now and then. It seems like whenever Steven goes out

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01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:04,199
of town, goes to visit his in laws in Oklahoma City,

1206
01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:07,000
I get a lot of stuff happened when he's gone

1207
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:11,720
for some reason. And I think, I think the properties

1208
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,560
around here are haunted. But we get it, and that's

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01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,920
just what I get on that. But but I've been

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,199
asked to go out to the field a couple of times,

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01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:26,399
and it's usually like just timing. I can't always do

1212
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,720
it and I can't break away and do it. So

1213
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,680
but yeah, I'm still interested doing stuff in the field.

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01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,760
But I wouldn't call myself a researcher anymore.

1215
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,520
Speaker 2: What do you think the best way to research is?

1216
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 3: Though?

1217
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,199
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's got their own way to do it,

1218
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:46,920
and everybody thinks that they're way is right. But you

1219
01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:49,600
have like a bunch of different ways that people go

1220
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,319
about things. You know, You've got the people that literally

1221
01:17:54,399 --> 01:17:57,439
hike out into the middle of nowhere for you know,

1222
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:01,880
miles and miles and then hamm at camp or just

1223
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,680
sleep on the ground with no campfire. And then you

1224
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,159
have people that just go to a campsite or just

1225
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,600
drive down a road somewhere and park on the side

1226
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,800
of the road. Some people do calls, some people do knocks,

1227
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,760
some people do call blasting. Some people think you should

1228
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,680
not do any of that. What do you think is

1229
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,000
the best way to go about it?

1230
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's two schools to it that I think

1231
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,079
of automatically, is that if you're going out there just

1232
01:18:32,119 --> 01:18:35,960
to do just have an experience, then I would say

1233
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,800
wherever big game is, then wherever there's big game and water,

1234
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,039
there's going to be a bigfoot. If you're interested in

1235
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:47,119
doing that, just have an experience and then go out

1236
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:50,279
and do that. Just go go to an area that's

1237
01:18:50,359 --> 01:18:55,119
got game, that's got trails, you know game trails or whatever,

1238
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,279
and just go do that and just have a good

1239
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,359
just go out there and just talk, because that's if

1240
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:02,880
you go looking for a bigfoot, you're not going to

1241
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:07,399
find it. A lot of times bigfoots are they're considered curious.

1242
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:10,920
And see why you're there or why you're decided to

1243
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,520
camp there on that particular weekend. If you want to

1244
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,479
go out and just do investigations, then then you you

1245
01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:21,479
I think the proper way to do it is just

1246
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,079
you know, look at other databases and look at what

1247
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:29,119
counties have more sighting reports than others. Look for gas

1248
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:32,800
right aways, electrical rightaways, look for cedars like we were

1249
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:37,319
talking before, and then whatever has game and has water,

1250
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,159
you know, efficient water in that area, whether it's like

1251
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:47,119
creeks or lakes or any kind of like spill ways.

1252
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:49,560
And then document all your stuff what you're doing, like

1253
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:56,239
do moon phases, do temperature time, year date, if that's

1254
01:19:56,239 --> 01:19:58,720
what you're in, if that's what you're into, because I

1255
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,000
think a lot of a lot of searchers don't do that.

1256
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:05,880
They don't they don't document properly, and they just don't.

1257
01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:09,239
And but if you're just out there, just have an experience,

1258
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:12,199
just go to an area's got big game and just.

1259
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,359
Speaker 3: Patients patients. Yep.

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01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: It's funny to me because, like you're saying, there are

1261
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,479
you know, these different schools of thought. Whenever it comes

1262
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:29,520
to it. There's the side that thinks that you need

1263
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,279
to go to where they are, you need to go

1264
01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:37,800
to their environment, and then there's the side that's like, well,

1265
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,960
you need to let them come to you. But both

1266
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,840
sides report the same experiences. And even if you do

1267
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:49,640
hike twenty miles off into the back country and spend

1268
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,479
a week camping out by yourself, they're still coming to you.

1269
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,520
I've never heard an incident where a researcher was going

1270
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,359
out to investigate and we're like, and then I crested

1271
01:21:01,359 --> 01:21:03,800
the hill and walked into the valley, and there they were.

1272
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,760
Nobody's walking up on Bigfoot, especially not in its own

1273
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:15,640
environment unless it's just absolutely slipping sleeping, sleeping, sleeping sleep.

1274
01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:20,680
But yeah, I always came from the school of thought

1275
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:25,279
that just go out there and be a human. They

1276
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,279
like to come in and observe and just pay attention

1277
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:31,800
to your surroundings. Be where they would be at b

1278
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:35,760
where there's been sighting reports, be where they have the

1279
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,439
resources to survive, just like you're saying, you know, go

1280
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,720
to those locations. But I think it's a waste of

1281
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,800
time trying to chase them down. I think it's much

1282
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,239
better to just let them come to you.

1283
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I'm one of the believers that

1284
01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:56,640
you know, after being in a group and then not

1285
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,359
being in a group, and then then talking to Native

1286
01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:03,600
Americans and talking to different people, you know, these things

1287
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,800
are just curious by nature, and they want to know

1288
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,880
why you're there and and if you have if you

1289
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,319
have the right energy, or if you're not putting out

1290
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,960
like you know you're always holding a gun or have

1291
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:17,560
a gun constantly with you. I think they're more open

1292
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,359
to see what you're doing and then want to maybe

1293
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,399
reach out to you, because I mean, like I said,

1294
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,239
we've had times where you know, Steve and I have

1295
01:22:26,359 --> 01:22:29,119
been in the woods and this thing will run up

1296
01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:32,239
and just slap the back of the cabin or click

1297
01:22:32,359 --> 01:22:35,880
rocks all night, or you know, whoop at us or

1298
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,239
something or just strow rocks at us. So I mean,

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I don't I don't know. I mean, you know, you

1300
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,119
talk to so many people, and you get so many

1301
01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:48,760
different stories and how they encountered the Bigfoot, and then

1302
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,840
you kind of think. Sometimes you overthink and say, you know,

1303
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,199
am I doing it right? Do it? Should I be

1304
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:57,520
doing this? Should I be fishing or at dawn or dusk?

1305
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,159
Or should I should I be, you know, have a

1306
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:05,119
parabolic dish in the morning or at night? Or should

1307
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:09,159
I you know, turn off my porch like and my

1308
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:11,159
cabin whenever it gets late.

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01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:13,159
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it's just it's different.

1310
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,119
Speaker 2: I mean, people have sightings of them, like crossing the

1311
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:21,119
road in front of their vehicles, or while they're mowing

1312
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:27,399
their lawn or chopping wood or feeding their animals or whatever.

1313
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,119
And like you're saying, they'll come up and slap the

1314
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:32,800
side of the house. We've heard that thousands of times.

1315
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:37,439
Or they'll be watching TV and they'll look up at

1316
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,680
the window and there's one looking at them. So I

1317
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:43,000
don't think any of that stuff really matters. Yeah, I

1318
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,720
don't think it's gonna, you know, necessarily increase anyone's odds

1319
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,960
or decrease anyone's odds, regardless of what you're doing, if

1320
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,720
you're in the right place at the right time. But

1321
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:02,359
I do think documentation is the key. Everybody's got a phone,

1322
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,479
video is available on it at all times, the ability

1323
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,119
to take notes, the ability to take photos, and I

1324
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:11,640
think that would have been a big help back in

1325
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,039
the day if people had just been documenting everything, because

1326
01:24:15,039 --> 01:24:19,479
I know I wasn't. Nobody wants to be, you know,

1327
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:20,359
troubled with that.

1328
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 4: No, I mean I've always said the just be prepared

1329
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:27,960
and we'll end it there.

1330
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, guys, I appreciate it. As always.

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01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:35,920
Where can people find your lovely podcast if.

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01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:41,199
Speaker 1: They go to Bigfoot Club podcast dot com or on

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01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:48,960
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01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:52,880
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It'll play it.

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1337
01:25:00,039 --> 01:25:02,119
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1338
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:05,000
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1339
01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:07,840
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01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,800
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