WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.879 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.519 not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:16.039 I found my daughter and my wife. Somebody killed them 4 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:18.760 in the apartment. They have been murdered. 5 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:38.520 It's a little before six pm on a Saturday in Englewood, Colorado. 6 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:43.280 It's sunny but still frigid. It's the end of March 7 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:48.000 twenty twenty three, and two local Englewood, Colorado police deputies 8 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:52.079 are sitting in their cruiser. They're just talking and looking 9 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:57.560 over some paperwork. Really. Officer Alouise has been with the 10 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.920 force for a few years now. Today he's got a 11 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:04.599 trainee with him. Englewood is in the heart of the 12 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:09.879 Denver metropolitan area. There are over thirty thousand residents and 13 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:14.239 a typical crime rate which consists of basically two things, 14 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:20.120 robberies and drug related incidents. Maybe a few traffic violations 15 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:24.319 sprinkled in there as well. Neither Officer Aloise nor his 16 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.760 trainee are expecting any crazy calls today, let alone a 17 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.959 double homicide and a luxury apartment complex. 18 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:34.959 Nineteerho one englel Parkway is going to be a unit 19 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:36.680 and in the Nancy three eight right. 20 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.359 He's got the cord to his radio wrapped around his finger, 21 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:44.400 fidgeting with it as he listens to dispatch Go ahead. 22 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.640 RV states his wife and daughter are deceased. He thinks 23 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.200 they might have been hurtin to it. The wife is 24 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:55.480 seventy years old and the daughter is thirty four. RV 25 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:58.359 THINGSOS suspect and we're still getting further. 26 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.000 They'll be heading to a complex called art Walk at 27 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:06.599 City Center. Sounds fancy. There are one and two bedroom 28 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.840 apartments that go upwards of two thousand dollars a month. 29 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:13.360 It's usually pretty quiet over there. 30 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:15.680 I think it's gonna be on the north. 31 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.599 Then get a hold off is Kara. 32 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:21.560 Hey, it's Chually from Inglewood. We're not sure what we have, 33 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:25.599 but we need you to stage for right now. We 34 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.199 might have two people that were killed inside of an 35 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.919 apartment nine o one Inglewood Parkway. So this is like 36 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.719 a homicide and it's like, yeah, well, I don't know. 37 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.000 He thinks it's his nephew. He thinks they're both dead, 38 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.879 seventy and thirty four. I have a ton of officers 39 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:40.759 going as I'm sure. 40 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.560 You know this is the nine to one one call 41 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:45.919 that had come in just moments before. 42 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:46.800 Nine one one. 43 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:47.840 Where's your emergency? 44 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.680 Yeah, yes, ma'am, this is Reggie McLaren. I'm calling from 45 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:57.439 art Walk apartment. The apartment and Crew eight. I came 46 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.439 around three o'clock and I phoned my wife and my 47 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.840 daughter murdered. I'm sorry why I found my daughter and 48 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.919 my wife. Somebody killed them in the apartment. They have 49 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:10.599 been murdered. 50 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:11.919 Okay. 51 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:13.280 How do you know that they're dead? 52 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:17.319 Well, I am here. They are dead, you know, because 53 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.039 the guy who ever entered, he was trying to take 54 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.840 them in a trash can or take away, but he 55 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:26.080 couldn't do it. So I just your. 56 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.280 Wife and daughter still inside the apartment. 57 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.039 Inside the apartment, okay. 58 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.280 How old are they? 59 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:36.360 Wife is seventeen years old. 60 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.520 Okay, and your daughter daughter. 61 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:45.840 Is about thirty four years old. And what is your name, Reginald? 62 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:48.680 That's your name. 63 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.280 Yeah, that's my name, Reginald McLaren. 64 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.080 Okay, And are you in the hallway. 65 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:58.439 No, I'm going in the holidacause I want to put 66 00:03:58.479 --> 00:03:59.960 on my jacket. It's very cool. 67 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.000 Okay. My officers are there though, and they need you 68 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:05.400 to not be in the apartment. 69 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:05.800 Okay. 70 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.840 Well, at the same time, officer Alouise and his trainee 71 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.280 were running up the stairs to unit and three oh eight. 72 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.800 Hey, Honnie, I think it's inside. 73 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:18.480 Which where do you go? 74 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:23.560 Do you go that way? Look out? 75 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:24.439 Well? 76 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:25.319 What are we going to? 77 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.959 When they finally get to that unit, the hallway is 78 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:36.959 absolutely silent. There isn't a person in sight. They cautiously 79 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.560 approached the apartment door, hoping they won't have to break 80 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:41.279 it down. 81 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.560 To confirm me as an Ancyright, please. 82 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:51.360 Tomorrow, it's your hands. 83 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:54.720 Step outside, step outside. 84 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:59.279 They're bracing themselves for a potential showdown with whoever murdered 85 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.879 this man's family, but instead it's the caller himself who 86 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:07.519 answers the door. He's still on the phone with dispatch. 87 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.160 So let me know when you stepped out into the hallway, 88 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:13.480 because my officers are going to meet you in the hallway. Welky, 89 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.199 how long ago did you find them? What time did 90 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:17.360 you come home and find them? 91 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.079 I don't know. I don't know, Okay, I don't know. 92 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:22.360 I have no idea. 93 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.319 And you're in Nancy. 94 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:24.920 You go. 95 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:27.680 Yeah. 96 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:31.160 The man who emerges is frail and hunched over, clutching 97 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:36.839 his jacket. Reginald McLaren is eighty one years old, and 98 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.920 the stress of this situation is making him look even older. 99 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.160 He's a normal old man, except for the distant look 100 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.639 in his eyes and a name that doesn't match his accent. 101 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:53.079 He doesn't seem injured, just stunned. Officers help him out 102 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.199 of the apartment and plan to take him back to 103 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.360 the station to ask a few more questions. 104 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.879 Yeah, who's the on call of the technics? Sergeant and 105 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:07.480 on call staff? You pick a bad time to be 106 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:11.680 on call, supervisor. It looks like a double homicide. 107 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.399 The new trainee stands guard at the front door while 108 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.680 Reginald gets a pat down in the hallway. Meanwhile, the 109 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.240 handful of officers inside are getting a taste of what 110 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.279 they'll be dealing with right away. They know it'll be 111 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.560 more than their little police department can handle. 112 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.720 Fuck Carver's cancer. 113 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:43.279 Fine, yeah, Jesus, Jesus, Chris, there's a closet. 114 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:50.079 Tell us it's like at this one confirm too? There's two? 115 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:52.120 Do you want me to stay inside with? 116 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:53.360 Inside? 117 00:06:55.199 --> 00:07:00.759 The apartment isn't chaotic? It looks like they're in mid move. 118 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.680 Boxes are stacked neatly in corners, some are sealed, others 119 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:10.560 are half packed with clothes. And books still visible inside 120 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.959 long on their sides. In the living room are two 121 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:18.519 oversized black roller trash cans. The lids are open. With 122 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.560 his gun and flashlight drawn, one of the officers carefully 123 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.800 steps over to one of the bins and leans down 124 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:31.319 so he can see inside. Immediately you can see clothing, skin, limbs, 125 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.360 and blood. Both of the victims are women. They've been 126 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:42.120 stuffed inside head first. Their arms and legs are bent unnaturally. 127 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:47.199 One of the women's legs hangs partially outside its plastic vessel. 128 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.079 There's a towel covering part of the first victim's body. 129 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:56.319 Blood is pooled beneath her. The second woman is positioned 130 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:02.240 mostly face down. Neither is moving. The officers don't touch 131 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:06.560 the bodies. They don't try CPR. It's already too late. 132 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.360 Double homicide UH nine oh one in wood Parkway and 133 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.600 is in Nora three zero eight in the apartment number. 134 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:20.199 Sounds like husband came home, finds his wife and daughter deceased. 135 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.199 They both have been shoved into a trash can a piece, 136 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.560 so it looks like by all appearances, it looked like 137 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.519 whoever did this was trying to put the bodies in 138 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:33.200 a trash can and take them whoever. Husband seems to 139 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.840 think he knows who did it. We're trying to talk 140 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:41.000 with him. He's pretty shook up, obviously, but you might 141 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.840 want to call the troops. Anouncer surveillance in a building number. 142 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:46.279 They don't. 143 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.919 They just definitely coming blood. 144 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:52.399 Oh yeah, I saw that. 145 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.000 Yeah, I saw that. 146 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.279 And if you look underneath the those bed sheets and 147 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.320 pillows covered in blood, and they probably not think they 148 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:02.639 were hiding something as well. 149 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.120 Just for our safety, I asked where the suspects could 150 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.519 live here as to where I said they might aid 151 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:14.679 seventy as Jefferson on the station. That's a little part it. Okay, 152 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:16.279 they're all game bangers, according to him. 153 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:24.080 Blood spatters fleck the walls, A pillow soaked in blood 154 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.679 lays on the floor near the couch. In a utility 155 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:31.399 closet behind the love seat, they find a knaxe and 156 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.639 what looks like strains of black hair caught in the blade. 157 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:40.120 A handsaw rests nearby. The kitchen sink has hair and 158 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.519 blood in the basin. The rest of the unit looks 159 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:48.440 oddly clean. Just before a deputy is about to drive 160 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.120 Reginald to the police station to get a formal statement, 161 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:55.559 he complains of chest pain. He explains that he has 162 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.399 a history of heart attacks and has recently had open 163 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.559 heart surgery. He's eighty one years old. After all, finding 164 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:08.799 your wife and daughter brutally murdered is asking for another incident. Luckily, 165 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:12.919 paramedics are just arriving. Out of caution, officers have him 166 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:17.919 transported to Swedish Medical Center for evaluation. An officer is 167 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.600 assigned to sit outside his room. If Reginald is right, 168 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.840 if this really is about his gang banging nephews, then 169 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:57.000 he might not be safe even in a hospital. On 170 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:01.720 March fifth, twenty twenty three, year old Reginald McLaren called 171 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.879 nine one one after discovering his wife and daughter murdered 172 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:10.600 inside their Englewood, Colorado apartment. The police department and emergency 173 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:15.960 dispatch were wholly unprepared to deal with this situation. Dispatch 174 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.639 scrambled trying to figure out how to get in contact 175 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:23.799 with the State crime scene Unit. Officer Aloise's Traynee frantically 176 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:27.559 scribbled names into the crime scene log as personnel swept 177 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:31.120 in and out of the apartment. A lot of these 178 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.440 responders were newbies, doing their absolute best. The crime scene 179 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.360 was now sealed. The victims had been officially pronounced dead. 180 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:44.840 Reginald was under observation at Swedish Medical Center, and if 181 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:49.720 Reginald's nephews were involved, then time was already working against them. 182 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:55.320 As the investigation unfolded, neighbors started noticing it was dinner 183 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.679 time for most people, and this group of cops who 184 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:02.039 were jingling their keys and talking to the hall was 185 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.200 starting to draw a little bit of attention. 186 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.120 So the notes saying that wife and daughter, who's the 187 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:10.159 guy who's king out of here? 188 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.919 That's the wife or the husband and dad and said 189 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:15.840 you think she knows who it is? Something about a hammer, 190 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.399 So I gotta going back. 191 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:19.799 To the station. 192 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.840 We probably need to do at least a quick miranda 193 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.240 on him and just talk to him and see what 194 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.440 information we can give. If this suspects out, you know 195 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.039 what about who's under days in the public, then you 196 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:32.919 find that out as quickly as possible. 197 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:36.320 How does he know this? 198 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:38.960 You know, how does he know he knows who did it? 199 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:39.639 That type of thing. 200 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:40.240 Yeah, but. 201 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:45.639 Mirandizing really quick to see it. 202 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:48.000 Yeah, can come in. 203 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:52.600 Have you guys. 204 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.120 Hurt anything suspicious or anything. 205 00:12:57.480 --> 00:12:58.519 With your neighbors saw. 206 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.080 Him that's around. 207 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:05.039 Like, so when did I leave. 208 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.559 I went to the liquor store around like three or four, 209 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.679 and he was leaving. He locked his apartment and was 210 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.559 locking in his car, and then I got in my 211 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.720 car and then I saw him come back around like 212 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:18.440 three o'clock, three or four. 213 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.080 Whenever I have texted you, can we get that? 214 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:22.039 Can we get that text? 215 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:22.240 See? 216 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:22.919 What was? 217 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.919 Did you guys hear anything? And they're supposed to be 218 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:28.519 moving soon. 219 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:30.600 It's told me they're super nice. 220 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.639 Okay. Did you know the daughter and the is he 221 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:34.159 the husband? 222 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:34.759 Yeah? 223 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.120 I know there's a daughter, a husband, and what right 224 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:38.919 I think? 225 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:42.240 I don't they Have you ever seen any like disturbances? 226 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:42.639 No? 227 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:48.679 I heard talking a lot in the hall, and I've 228 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:53.440 heard doors slam, but I thought that they were moving 229 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:55.679 and it was just kind. 230 00:13:55.519 --> 00:14:00.879 Of okay, yeah, daughter, No, I don't know. 231 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:02.279 I haven't seen them in a while. 232 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:03.120 I only see him. 233 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.840 I saw him and daughter. Okay. 234 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:09.639 The last time I saw them, I can tell you 235 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.799 exactly because the fire alarm went off here and I 236 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:13.399 saw them. 237 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:17.080 Leaving and I they were expressing like problems. 238 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:18.120 Nothing. 239 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:19.600 They've always been super nice. 240 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:21.720 I ever thought, never said like watch out for a 241 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:22.639 suspicious person. 242 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.120 Okay, I saw them on Tuesday. 243 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.679 I saw the daughter. Oh yeah, because you said. 244 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:29.080 Yeah. 245 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.080 They had their door open and they were cooking food 246 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:32.919 and I started and it smelt really good, and so 247 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.120 I looked in and I saw him. 248 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:35.720 Assuming it's a daughter, she looked younger. 249 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.000 Yep, this is what they heard on repeat from all 250 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.519 the neighbors. No one knew the family, well, no one 251 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.720 even knew their names, but they could always smell delicious 252 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:48.519 food coming from their open door. 253 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:49.919 I see them all the time. 254 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:53.320 They've seen fairly friendly. They well, the guy speaks a 255 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:57.559 woman not so much. See Maybey just kind of come 256 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:01.039 in and out. I think he works an artid or 257 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:03.360 i'd go to like like the light rail or something 258 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:03.519 like that. 259 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.960 He always on the archide or the light rail stuff. Okay, 260 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:09.840 and the mom, I don't. 261 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.240 Really see that much at times. They cook things and 262 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:14.639 so I kind of think they have to hear out 263 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:15.159 their apartment. 264 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:16.799 Yeah, that's your other neighbor said, like they lea their 265 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.279 door open and you can smell it smell. 266 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.279 Haven't heard any like issues or plants, or. 267 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.759 You haven't heard anything non angines allowed or bang that 268 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.720 I'm aware of. Okay, since Wednesday, you haven't seen anybody. 269 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:34.039 No, Yeah, I hope they're okay, but well it. 270 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:35.720 Could be one hundred percent honest with you. 271 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.519 Mom and daughter are deceased, and so we're trying to 272 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.240 figure out what is going on. So that's why I'm 273 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:50.279 asking you so many Yeah, okay, oh yeah, yeah. I 274 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:51.879 guess I could have let that before I started asking 275 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.919 when are you coming back? Yeah, So we're trying to 276 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:55.879 figure out what's going on. 277 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.960 Police continued canvassing nearby units. One day, who lived just 278 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.080 a few doors Dwan from the family, told officers he 279 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.600 remembered running into Reginald in the parking lot. 280 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.360 I don't even know dude's name, I says, Jim. 281 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:18.120 Yeah, he uh sorry. He came over to me the 282 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:19.879 other day. I was smoking in the garage and he 283 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:24.000 was like, can you give me a favor? We're moving 284 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:24.960 on on Saturday. 285 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:26.519 I was like okay. 286 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:29.480 He was like, if it's after hours, can I drop 287 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.559 off the keys? See you? And I was like okay, 288 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.440 I told my parking number. Then he saw him walking 289 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:38.919 around this morning and I did hear all this ship? 290 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:41.120 Did you ever make a plan to leave the keys 291 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.159 of you need to put any points? He just said 292 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:44.759 if he had. 293 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:45.799 To drop them off. 294 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.120 Okay, I can't say he was going overseas. 295 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:51.279 I thought he was going to come back. 296 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:52.240 And then. 297 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.840 Did you ever see his wife and daughter? The last 298 00:16:58.840 --> 00:16:59.639 time you saw them. 299 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.880 Yesterday and he never met Did he ever mention anything 300 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.359 about that when he said they were moving overseas. 301 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.599 But I did say I'm going overseas, so I didn't. 302 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:19.319 Like I'm as in singular? Yeah, I said, okay. 303 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.480 The women stuffed inside the trash cans were seventy year 304 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.359 old Bethany McLaren and her thirty five year old daughter, Ruth. 305 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.160 Bethany and Reginald moved to America in the eighties and 306 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:35.240 really kept to themselves. Back at the hospital, some of 307 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:38.640 these details were beginning to come up in conversation with 308 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:43.599 the officer assigned a watch over Reginald's room. Apparently, Reginald 309 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:47.559 was born in India and his wife, Bethany was from Nepal. 310 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.799 Reginald had a strange son from another marriage, and then 311 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:54.160 there was his daughter, Ruth. 312 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:59.839 I said, back, is her heart feeling okay now? 313 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.000 A little bit? Yeah? 314 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:02.680 Okay? 315 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.279 And then you just ensured, yeah, well, we'll give you 316 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.240 you want a blanket for now? Is that okay? Yeah, 317 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:10.799 I'll give you this. 318 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:12.359 It's kind of a temporation until we can get you 319 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:16.000 some mother clothes. Okay, but it's better than nothing. Okay. 320 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:20.079 So next thing we're gonna do again your. 321 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.960 Permission to so we get like a hand swab of 322 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.599 the DNA in your hand to show that basically that's 323 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:28.680 your DNA. So if we find other people DNA and 324 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.880 we know that's not your DNA, you know what I'm saying, 325 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.519 So like I'm touching this right, then you touch it, 326 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.359 then I can compare your DNA to this DNA, so 327 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.400 we won't say, like, who's this? 328 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.039 So we have yours to show? Is that okay to do? 329 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:46.240 Okay, thank you. 330 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.599 It wasn't just as four prior heart attacks that had 331 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:54.440 detectives worried. They wanted a full medical evaluation on Reginald 332 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.319 because he told one of the officers that after he 333 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.599 got home after three pm and found Betha and Ruth 334 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:05.200 in the trash cans, he passed out. It wasn't until 335 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:07.839 around six pm that he tried to call the apartment 336 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:12.759 property management's office, and then after that he called nine 337 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.200 one one. Here are the property managers, and you guys. 338 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.880 Are all hiding back in here. Hi, Hi, I'm. 339 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:31.000 Lindsay sure, Oh I do not look great? 340 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:31.440 Thank you? 341 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:32.799 Okay, how do I look for? 342 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:40.680 Remember this is a Saturday night. Everyone, including some of 343 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.400 these cops, had been relaxing at home before all this happened. 344 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.720 That's my day off. So I'm like, I know, what 345 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.920 are you gonna do? Your short staff? Right? I'm sure 346 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:52.640 you guys, you guys were playing the same boat. 347 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:56.720 Here's the voicemailed Reginald left. 348 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:06.599 Of a Sudden that she was left at six or 349 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:07.160 two pm. 350 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.799 Okay, now let's swing back over to the hospital. 351 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:13.839 It make sure you have no injuries on you, no 352 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:14.960 arms and your legs. 353 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:17.640 Okay, we're gonna take a picture to make sure that 354 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:19.000 you have no injuries. You're gonna show that you had 355 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.039 no injuries. Okay, can you put your arms up for me. 356 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.759 I'll make sure that you're okay. Injuries if you weren't 357 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:27.200 hurt at all. 358 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.599 You weren't hurt at all. No, I wasn't hurt. Okay, 359 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:34.160 make sure I. 360 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:37.000 Heard that you you passed out, but you didn't hit 361 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:37.960 your head or nothing like that. 362 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:43.680 Okay, we'll take some pictures lit quick, just to make sure. 363 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:47.400 Okay, imagine waking up on the floor three hours after 364 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:51.720 finding your wife and daughter murdered. You've just come back 365 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:57.319 to reality. You remember what happened. You're panicked and confused. 366 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.160 Now listen to how Reginald mc claren sounds what he 367 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:02.880 calls nine one one nine. 368 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:04.279 Where's your emergency? 369 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.279 Yeah, yes, ma'am, this is Greg McLaren. I'm going from 370 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:14.039 art Walk, the apartment, the apartment and eight. I came 371 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:17.440 around three o'clock and I phoned my wife and my daughter. 372 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:28.920 I er my part. 373 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:30.640 How do you know. 374 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:33.000 My wife. 375 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:34.559 Murder? 376 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:37.759 So I'm going to call it the English right now, 377 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.200 all of a sudden that she was left at six 378 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:42.079 two hymns. 379 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.400 Now that you've heard both the voicemail he left for 380 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:49.559 the property manager and this nine one one call, don't 381 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:56.960 they sound you really similar? Almost rehearsed. Here's the rest 382 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:57.359 of the call? 383 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:01.880 Okay, and how were they injured? Can you tell whence? 384 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:05.200 Ma'am? I am very disturbed. I have no idea the. 385 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:06.000 Hour is. 386 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:13.839 Building. Okay, thank you? Do you know who this weapon? 387 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:15.000 Yeah? 388 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.319 Well, before I before I before I go further, I 389 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.519 want to tell you that our security door in the 390 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.799 gradualor is always open. I mean it's never. 391 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:29.440 Lost answer my questions. Okay, I understand this is very 392 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.480 hard and I'm getting lots of help. But how were 393 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:35.759 they hurt? Were they shot? Where they stabbed? 394 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:43.079 Can you tell me how they they were saved? Not 395 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:48.359 to save this? Somebody use a hammer or I don't 396 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:48.759 know you know? 397 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.200 Where are you? Where are you? 398 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:54.400 I am in my apart from them. 399 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:56.720 I need you to step out. I don't want you 400 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:57.400 to be in there. 401 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:05.160