1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,639
Speaker 1: Hey, I just wanted to let you know that arow

2
00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,400
dot net is the place to get all seventeen of

3
00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,559
my podcast. You don't have to go to these streaming

4
00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,080
outfits and sit there and say where did he say

5
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,279
he was? Again? Yeah, Ero dot net A R r

6
00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:15,640
Oe dot net. Hello on good morning you two. How

7
00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:17,120
are you doing great er?

8
00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,199
Speaker 2: Thank you?

9
00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,679
Speaker 1: I am so proud of the two of you putting

10
00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:22,800
this together. And I'm gonna it's probably gonna be way

11
00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:24,719
deeper than what I should be going. But my father

12
00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,960
and my grandfather both fought in World War One and

13
00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:29,519
World War Two. They did not tell me the stories.

14
00:00:29,559 --> 00:00:31,160
I don't know who told them not to tell me

15
00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:34,600
the stories, But I need stories like Numberg in the

16
00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,920
way of trying to understand the way they thought, the

17
00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,200
way that they did things, because, as my father used

18
00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,320
to tell me all the time, in all wars, there

19
00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:47,280
are liars, stealers, and cheaters, and this this movie proves

20
00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,840
that true.

21
00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's thank you very much. I had

22
00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,039
similar situation. Both my grandfathers were in World War Two,

23
00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:58,719
so I grew up with the stories, not the horrible stuff.

24
00:00:58,759 --> 00:00:58,880
Speaker 4: You know.

25
00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,679
Speaker 3: Obviously, when I was a kid wanted to keep that

26
00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,240
from me, but that was definitely a big part of

27
00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000
their lives. And so I think for my generation, you know,

28
00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,959
and probably your generation, it feels like, even though we

29
00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,719
didn't live through it, it's a past we can sort

30
00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,000
of reach out in touch and bringing it back to

31
00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:16,519
life again with something that was very exciting for us.

32
00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:19,760
Speaker 1: Taking miness well, James, you make it seems so real

33
00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:22,519
that I gotta tell you, I jump when I watch

34
00:01:22,599 --> 00:01:25,200
these scenes because there are certain scenes in this because

35
00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:28,239
I get so emotionally involved with what's going on. And

36
00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,000
that's kudos to the actors and the writing and everybody

37
00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:33,439
all the way down to the grips that made that possible.

38
00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:36,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great quaer. First of all, thank

39
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,239
you very much. And we wanted this film to feel

40
00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,760
like a thriller. We want it to be emotionally involving.

41
00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:44,200
You know, it's not just a history lesson. It's not

42
00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:46,439
as a friend of mine calls them, spinach movies, where

43
00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:48,439
you go, I guess I should watch the thing that's

44
00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:51,159
supposed to be about and important. You know, we built

45
00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:53,439
this as a thriller, and we built this to take

46
00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,319
you on this emotional ride so that you care about

47
00:01:57,359 --> 00:01:59,560
these characters, you care what they're going through, and so

48
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,120
when the dark moments come, and there are dark moments

49
00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:04,439
in this movie, you know they affect you the way

50
00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,719
that that that hopefully they should.

51
00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,240
Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with John Slattery and

52
00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,719
James Vanderbilt coming up next. The name of the movie Nuremberg.

53
00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,800
We are back with John Slattery and James Vanderbilt as

54
00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,080
the actor. John, how did it affect you and did

55
00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,319
you have to do some research before you jumped into

56
00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:23,879
those shoes.

57
00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,719
Speaker 4: I did do research. The character I play wrote a

58
00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:31,120
book of his own which I read, and obviously the

59
00:02:31,159 --> 00:02:32,919
book on which the script is based.

60
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:40,199
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I mean you just try to sort

61
00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:45,800
of pick elements of what actually happened that that.

62
00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:48,560
Speaker 4: That fit and coincide with the story, because ultimately you're

63
00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:52,800
acting the scenes written on the page and and trying

64
00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,759
I'm you know, my job in this in this film

65
00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,599
is is just to be a part of the telling

66
00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:02,120
of this story. It isn't about me, and it isn't

67
00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,240
it's not Colonel and Andris's story, but he provides a

68
00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:10,599
function to the actual proceeding and it was sort of

69
00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,199
my job to just contribute to the telling of the

70
00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:16,840
overall story.

71
00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:19,039
Speaker 1: Well, even the trial scenes, I mean to me, I mean,

72
00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,759
we have become such a true crime addicted generation, and

73
00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,080
it's almost like it says, step back here and look

74
00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,520
at this true crime. Go back here. It's more than

75
00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,680
just what's going on the streets of where we are today.

76
00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,000
But this affected the entire planet.

77
00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:34,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

78
00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,360
Speaker 3: No, And it was the first sort of media trial,

79
00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,360
you know, which was sort of fascinating to me too.

80
00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,400
It was you know, that courtroom was rebuilt because it

81
00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:44,400
had been bombed out during the Nazis last stand in

82
00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:48,840
the city, and was rebuilt to have camera in placements

83
00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:49,719
wired for sound.

84
00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:50,879
Speaker 1: You know.

85
00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,159
Speaker 3: The lights they put in there were so bright that

86
00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,840
the courtgoers were issued sunglasses, you know, because they had

87
00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,000
to be that bright so the film cameras could get

88
00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:01,560
to the right exposure. So the whole point of this

89
00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:05,919
trial was to be recorded, to be memorialized, so that

90
00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,879
people didn't forget or disbelieve the war crimes that have

91
00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:13,680
been committed. It was also the first trial in history

92
00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:16,160
where film footage was used to convict.

93
00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

94
00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:20,920
Speaker 3: So it's sort of it's this fascinating kind of inflection

95
00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,800
point in terms of legal history. Not only the first

96
00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,959
international tribunal ever held, which basically meant the lawyers were

97
00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,279
sort of building the airplane as they flew it. So

98
00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:33,040
it's just an incredible moment in the history.

99
00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,000
Speaker 1: Well, John, you're sharing the screen with actual footage from

100
00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:39,160
that era, and it's like, what was that like for

101
00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:40,639
you to be able to be able to do that,

102
00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,160
because we're talking about authenticity and then you've got to

103
00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:45,439
come in and bring it forward where it all ties

104
00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,839
together as a single unit.

105
00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,120
Speaker 4: You know that footage that James just mentioned, that was

106
00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,240
the first time that that was shown to the world,

107
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,240
and he asked us prior to shooting not to go

108
00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,519
and seek out the footage because you could find it,

109
00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:06,839
and I hadn't seen that particular you know, a chunk

110
00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:12,519
of film. So we came into the courtroom, which, as

111
00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,759
he said, was recreated to the exact dimensions. There were

112
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,759
three hundred or so Hungarian extras, of many of whom

113
00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,920
were of a certain age where they were either there

114
00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,079
for a lot of these events or certainly their friends

115
00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,600
and family were. And we were shown this footage for

116
00:05:33,639 --> 00:05:36,720
the first time, and four cameras were placed around the

117
00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,000
room and so what you see, I think there's a

118
00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,959
cut to me reacting to this footage is us is

119
00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,680
me seeing it for the first time? And I mean

120
00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,199
I think we were all trying to figure out, well,

121
00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:50,279
are we supposed to act this? I mean, is this

122
00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:53,399
How different would my reaction be from this characters? And

123
00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:57,120
in the end you just sort of just sit there

124
00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,319
and watch and it's certainly is stunning to say the least,

125
00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,000
but those reactions are are what you see in the film.

126
00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,519
Speaker 1: Wow, ten minutes with you, guys is just not enough.

127
00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,240
But once again, I cannot thank you enough for this

128
00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:13,000
movie and because it is going to bring people together

129
00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,199
to finally talk about where we've been and how we

130
00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,240
can learn from it in our present place of now.

131
00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:20,759
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

132
00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:22,639
Speaker 1: Row you guys be brilliant today.

133
00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:25,800
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you