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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Hacking Your Leadership. I'm Chris and I'm Lorenzo.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lorenzo on.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode, I want to talk about a letter that

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<v Speaker 2>I found on the internet that was released Somebody in

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<v Speaker 2>an organization released this letter that was sent to every

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<v Speaker 2>employee from the CEO. And it's a fairly large organization,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we'll we'll keep it nameless because we're,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to make this less about the organization

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<v Speaker 2>and more about this process and and what what good

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<v Speaker 2>leadership looks like versus when things should you know, should

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<v Speaker 2>change a little bit. This email was sent out because

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<v Speaker 2>the the CEO was trying to address some uncertainty or

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<v Speaker 2>lack of confidence being felt by the team because of

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<v Speaker 2>issues the company has dealt with over the past year.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, sometimes when that happens, when when employees

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<v Speaker 2>are facing uncertainty or they're feeling it or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you you look at engagement survey results and you know

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<v Speaker 2>there are common themes or threads that people are saying

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<v Speaker 2>around you know, lack of confidence in the future, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, questioning specific moves that the organization has made

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<v Speaker 2>overall that you a lot of times you do need

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<v Speaker 2>to address those things, and it's a good thing when

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<v Speaker 2>an organization decides to do that. But I'm calling this

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<v Speaker 2>one out because it seems like the organization decided that

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing to do was address these issues, but

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't go far enough in actually addressing them. They

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<v Speaker 2>just decided to, you know, kind of they tried to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they tried to placate people by saying something

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<v Speaker 2>to them without actually addressing what was going on in

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<v Speaker 2>their minds, and sometimes that can cause more problems than

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<v Speaker 2>just not saying anything at all. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>go through some of these things that I'm seeing in

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<v Speaker 2>this email and maybe how they could have been better.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you're a leader and you're thinking about what

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to say to your teams on something, even

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<v Speaker 2>an individual person one on one or your entire team,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's through email or in person or on a

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<v Speaker 2>video call or a Slack channel, whatever, it is, the

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<v Speaker 2>intentionality of the things that you say matters, and the

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<v Speaker 2>words matter, and how you decide to address the issues

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<v Speaker 2>that are that you are trying to solve it matters,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't want to cause more damage, You want

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of move things in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you're spot on with that, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking the same thing as like, if you scale

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<v Speaker 3>this down and you're trying to address something that's going

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<v Speaker 3>on or that everybody is aware of, or a decision

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<v Speaker 3>that was made that maybe is having, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>potential negative impact to the feelings of the team, or

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<v Speaker 3>the business itself or customer traffic and demand. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing that you have to do if you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to communicate the team, which you absolutely should, is

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<v Speaker 3>actually say the thing and like discuss what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>and put that out there, because I think that that

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<v Speaker 3>sharing what's happening and you know, making sure that people

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<v Speaker 3>understand that you understand exactly what we're talking about or

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<v Speaker 3>exactly how the team is feeling or what you're hearing,

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<v Speaker 3>or exactly that this decision potentially that was made has

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<v Speaker 3>been a really tough decision and it's something that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we're learning from and now we're feeling the impacts

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<v Speaker 3>of and it doesn't mean that the decision will change,

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<v Speaker 3>but we need to talk about the impact the decision

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<v Speaker 3>is having. And I think that that's such a critical

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<v Speaker 3>part of communicating, especially in those times in the times

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<v Speaker 3>when there is uncertainty in the times when there is

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<v Speaker 3>maybe massive change going on in the times where there

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<v Speaker 3>is you know, potentially restructuring or a pivot on the business,

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<v Speaker 3>or sometimes you know, companies sell parts of the business

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<v Speaker 3>or they sell the business to another larger company. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>all these types of things that can happen can cause

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of uncertain because things are now different. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that when you're going to communicate that again,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's large scale or smaller scale, individually or with

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<v Speaker 3>a smaller team, I'm talking about the actual issues, the

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<v Speaker 3>actual things, and the actual decisions, I think is absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>critical to have any type of you know, maybe trust

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<v Speaker 3>or equity with the team to say like, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>talking about exactly what we're living through, or I'm talking

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<v Speaker 3>about exactly what you're sharing and I'm not kind of

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<v Speaker 3>being general about it, or I'm not trying to like

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<v Speaker 3>say things like yep, you know, change is hard and

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<v Speaker 3>there will be a brighter and better day and like

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<v Speaker 3>there's a time for that. But I think if you

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<v Speaker 3>get a sense that your team is struggling to understand

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<v Speaker 3>or they're having a large reaction to it, that time

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<v Speaker 3>is not that time. That time is a different time

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<v Speaker 3>right now, it's about talking about the actual issue, being

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<v Speaker 3>clear about where you stand and maybe why the decision

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<v Speaker 3>was made, and allowing space to discuss, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>the process that people are feeling through the change curve.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's spot on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a There are a couple of sentiments

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<v Speaker 2>that people can pull from this that that are probably

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<v Speaker 2>not what the leadership team that sent this out, probably

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<v Speaker 2>not what they wanted. Okay, So the first is that

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<v Speaker 2>the there is no ownership of the issues from a

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<v Speaker 2>leadership team. No one, No one directly says in the

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<v Speaker 2>email that you know, we we did this, which caused this,

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<v Speaker 2>we own this. That they the email makes it seem

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<v Speaker 2>like the company or the leadership team is almost a

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<v Speaker 2>victim in this also, or that they're you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>passenger in the car as opposed to driving the car.

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<v Speaker 1>And and while that.

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<v Speaker 2>Might in the moment, it might make somebody say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the knee jerk reaction might be, oh, so

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't cause this. This is something happening to them

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<v Speaker 2>that might very briefly cause employees to not blame the organization.

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<v Speaker 2>But every time that happens, the not blaming the organization

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<v Speaker 2>because these things are just happening to them. The collateral

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<v Speaker 2>damage that comes with that is not having confidence in

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<v Speaker 2>your own leadership team that they are driving the car.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're working for an organization and you're a

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<v Speaker 2>passenger in the car, and then you look over and

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<v Speaker 2>you realize, oh, wait a minute, the person who is

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<v Speaker 2>at at the podium every day saying we've got this,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going forward. You look over and you realize that

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<v Speaker 2>that they're steering wheel and their pedals are fake, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're just sitting next to you.

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<v Speaker 1>That lack of confidence is not worth.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever lift you might get in trying to convince people

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't your fault as a leader that something happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You've you've basically you've given away all of your authority

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<v Speaker 2>because you're trying to, you know, not have the responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's the first thing. The second thing is

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<v Speaker 2>that you know they they correctly address the problem right

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, that silence from the leadership team is

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<v Speaker 2>creating uncertainty, So great, address it. That's that's good. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the next paragraph they create more uncertainty by not

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<v Speaker 2>kind of articulating what a solution to the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>instead they go right on to you know, vague reassurances

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, quoting the company values, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of nothing burger email that says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that tries to lean heavily on things that that are

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<v Speaker 2>vague and values driven, but it's in the face of

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<v Speaker 2>decisions that actually fly in the face of what those

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<v Speaker 2>values are. And and by calling out those those values,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it kind of allows employees to see them

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<v Speaker 2>in the context of those decisions, and it gives less

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<v Speaker 2>credibility to those values to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's the it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The elephant in the room scenario, right, So if you

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at what's what's underlying the elephant in

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<v Speaker 2>the room scenario. Where that saying comes from is if

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<v Speaker 2>if I come in to my team and I say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have we've had some issues. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the furniture is destroyed and we need to replace it

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<v Speaker 2>or fix it. There is you know, animal feces all

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<v Speaker 2>over the floor and we need to get get that

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<v Speaker 2>cleaned up, and and you know, like there's there's some

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<v Speaker 2>real issues here. But I think if we all work together,

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<v Speaker 2>we can get this furniture rebuilt and we can get this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Carpet cleaned again.

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<v Speaker 2>But I never even mentioned that there is a big

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<v Speaker 2>elephant sitting behind me in the room to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>People are looking at me, but they're looking right past

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<v Speaker 1>me at.

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<v Speaker 2>The elephant, going why is he talking about the elephant

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<v Speaker 2>like or why aren't we getting rid of the elephant

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<v Speaker 2>before we start doing this stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it just happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Again unless we get rid of the elephant, So that

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<v Speaker 2>that's what all saying comes from. Is not addressing the

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<v Speaker 2>elephant in the room. That's exactly what is happening in

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<v Speaker 2>emails like this, where you want to reassure a person

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<v Speaker 2>that the effects of the elephant are not too much

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<v Speaker 2>to get past without actually acknowledging that the elephant was

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<v Speaker 2>there to begin with, because you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>blamed for the elephant, and you can't get both. You

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<v Speaker 2>either need to say nothing or you need to address

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<v Speaker 2>it with with candor and with transparency and with taking

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility and knowing let the chips fall where they may,

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<v Speaker 2>and some people may blame you short term for the

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<v Speaker 2>for the decisions that you made, but the longer term

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<v Speaker 2>fallout will be far less if people believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>that those at the company leadership team, they're the actual

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<v Speaker 2>ones driving the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of like walking into the team and saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I know I've been quiet about this, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking now, yes, versus I know that I've been

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<v Speaker 3>quiet about this. Let me tell you why. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a huge one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Yeah, like like that that that's the big difference.

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<v Speaker 3>There is kind of like if you're going to then

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<v Speaker 3>use your platform to speak up and talk about it

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<v Speaker 3>and share it, you also then owe a team the

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<v Speaker 3>reason it's taken this long or why you haven't said anything,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's going to be sometimes really hard to do

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<v Speaker 3>because to your point, like having to admit, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe that a decision was made that has not had

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<v Speaker 3>the impact that we thought it would have. Maybe trying

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<v Speaker 3>to admit that a mistake was made, maybe having to

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<v Speaker 3>own the fact of saying, like you were struggling with

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<v Speaker 3>what do you say and what do you want to

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<v Speaker 3>share with the team like that, you know that part

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<v Speaker 3>of explaining requires also why in this scenario, why it

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<v Speaker 3>took so long to say something? And it's okay to

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<v Speaker 3>say I made this decision. This is a decision that

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<v Speaker 3>is not changing. There are a lot of factors into

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<v Speaker 3>why this decision had to be made, and here are

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of them. Right, And and while at the

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<v Speaker 3>core of a decision like this it might not even

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<v Speaker 3>align with what I think or what I believe is

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<v Speaker 3>the right thing to do or the thing that we

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<v Speaker 3>should have done, it is something that we have to do,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean? Like, like, it's as a leaders,

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay to also do that. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 3>major part of it. I was having a conversation a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks ago around that, around change and uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, somebody asked me a question. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what happens if the leader is uncertain? What happens if

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<v Speaker 3>leaders like, well, I don't know what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 3>to me in this scenario. And I was like, then

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<v Speaker 3>you say that out loud, right. I think it's important

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<v Speaker 3>there enough time to feel like your team is saying, well,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody is saying anything. You have to address that as well, right.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, because you know, if you think about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>of them might be not within their control now, but

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times organizations will look at, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>the most recent moments to kind of relieve themselves of responsibility. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>but the internet was out, And that's what people do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's essentially the same thing. It's saying that, yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>made many decisions in leading up to this that would

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<v Speaker 2>which might be true.

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<v Speaker 1>But to expect someone.

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<v Speaker 2>To believe that that alleviates you of responsibility, it is

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<v Speaker 2>almost patronizing to the person you're talking to. And I

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<v Speaker 2>without saying these are the decisions that we've made that

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<v Speaker 2>or started this out down the wrong path, but why

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<v Speaker 2>because if you don't address it outright and you just

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<v Speaker 2>say this kind of like we're trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let you know that there's there's a lot going on

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<v Speaker 2>here that we have no control over and that we

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<v Speaker 2>just have to kind of get through this together. The

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<v Speaker 2>people reading that who know the organization and who know

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<v Speaker 2>that these things are happening and going on, they are

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<v Speaker 2>telling their own story in their mind. They're creating their

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<v Speaker 2>own narrative about why these decisions were made to begin with,

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<v Speaker 2>and and that hums off as as feeling patronized, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if a company, if a leader said that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I would think, a they don't trust me enough to

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<v Speaker 2>way that is appropriate for if I have all the information,

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<v Speaker 2>almost like I'm not mature enough to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>handle all the information. So they're going to dial it

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<v Speaker 2>back and give me the the the kid version of

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<v Speaker 2>it as opposed to the adult version of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you if you think about it, you know, most

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<v Speaker 2>of the employees at this organization are adults, or most

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<v Speaker 2>of the employees that most organizations are adults, and you

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<v Speaker 2>need to speak to them that way because it will

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<v Speaker 2>hurt your relationship with them more if you try to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, dumb it down in the you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>the goal is to try to you know, make them

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<v Speaker 2>go to bed happy that night by telling them a

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<v Speaker 2>bedtime story. You know, sometimes if they can see right

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<v Speaker 2>through the bedtime story, you're going to cause more damage

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<v Speaker 2>than you would buy. By the by the by the

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<v Speaker 2>sending the email to begin.

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<v Speaker 3>With, absolutely and with that it brings us to this

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<v Speaker 3>episode is one minute hack.

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<v Speaker 1>But first a few words more sponsors.

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<v Speaker 2>All right for this episode one minute hackers or want

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<v Speaker 2>you to do if you are a leader and you

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<v Speaker 2>are charged with, you know, giving a speech or an

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<v Speaker 2>email to a team of people to address any issues

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<v Speaker 2>that are happening overall and not with an individual person

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<v Speaker 2>about their issues, but with overall you know, company or

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<v Speaker 2>team issues that are that are going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand a few things.

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<v Speaker 2>One, saying something is not always better than saying nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are not very clear on the reasons and

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose for what you're saying, why you're saying and

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, don't don't just jump at saying something

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<v Speaker 2>because you think something has to be said.

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<v Speaker 1>Be very purposeful in what you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are saying, even if it means that it takes longer

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<v Speaker 2>to deliver that message because you're trying to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that it gets done right. Secondly, when you can't deliver

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<v Speaker 2>a message right away as soon as it is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>possible to, there are reasons why, and and some of

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<v Speaker 2>those reasons might just be that you didn't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to you didn't know how to address this in the

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<v Speaker 2>correct way, or you were lacking information, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Be transparent about the reasons why you had to delay

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<v Speaker 2>the communication or why you weren't able to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>that person or that team right away, and be honest

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<v Speaker 2>about it. You can't say, you know, there were things

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<v Speaker 2>going on that we had to deal with, the wa

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<v Speaker 2>had to get through. That's vague, that's that's ambiguous. Be

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<v Speaker 2>very specific and clear and transparent about the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>there was a delay in that communication. Don't don't try

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<v Speaker 2>to alleviate blame on yourself by by framing the verbiage

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that says that things were happening to

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<v Speaker 2>you that you had no control over. Frame it in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that takes ownership of the process. Frame it

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<v Speaker 2>a way that says, I made the decision to delay

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<v Speaker 2>this communication because I didn't have this information yet, or

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<v Speaker 2>because this had to happen first, or because I had

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<v Speaker 2>to write it and I was trying to write it

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<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't figure out a way to write it

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that did a service to the hard

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<v Speaker 2>work that you as a team are doing while also

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<v Speaker 2>being transparent and truthful with you. And I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say anything to you that that was not true

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<v Speaker 2>or not transparent, like there are ways to do this

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<v Speaker 2>that will allow people to know that they're not being

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<v Speaker 2>kind of spoon fed something in order to placate them,

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<v Speaker 2>but rather than being treated like adults, and they're being

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<v Speaker 2>given the correct information and then you're asking them to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of work through this with you. Do this in

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<v Speaker 2>this way, even if it means again taking longer, and

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<v Speaker 2>you will find more effective communication when you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>your team. Have other people read it, right, write something,

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<v Speaker 2>have a peer read it, Have you know a coworker

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<v Speaker 2>read it. Has somebody go over it and look at

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<v Speaker 2>it with you through the lens of if this were

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<v Speaker 2>being given to you, how would this make you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just about the information. Feeling is important here

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<v Speaker 2>and emotional reaction is important here. So asking a person

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<v Speaker 2>how receiving this email would make them feel, even if

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<v Speaker 2>they can't, you know, kind of articulate it in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that that gives specific examples.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they just say, yeah, I read this and.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, eh, I yeah, whatever I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you feel more confident? Not really?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really okay, then there's a problem. Go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the drawing board and rewrite it. That feeling is important,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what you're trying to alleviate with the communication

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you're spot on if you're gonna I think,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're gonna send something that is meant to be

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<v Speaker 3>heartfelt in a way, or to express gratitude, or to

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<v Speaker 3>recognize maybe some you know, some some things that are

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<v Speaker 3>uncertain or that type of thing, it has to read

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<v Speaker 3>as if it's authentic, And I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>many times, like I think that the same person, let's

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<v Speaker 3>just say, in this scenario, the same person who was

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<v Speaker 3>behind this communication. And at you know, higher levels of

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<v Speaker 3>larger organizations, you're always going to have people that are

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<v Speaker 3>going to either help to to help to write something

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<v Speaker 3>like that, or approve something like that, or make sure

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<v Speaker 3>like that's gonna happen. Right, But I believe that the

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<v Speaker 3>same person that was behind an email like this, if

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<v Speaker 3>given the chance to go in front of a team

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<v Speaker 3>in like a town hall or talk about it, I

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<v Speaker 3>think the message could be very very different. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think it would be less protected is in regards

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<v Speaker 3>to like what is shared and how you want to

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<v Speaker 3>share things in writing, and I think it would be

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<v Speaker 3>more authentic to how that person feels about the moment

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<v Speaker 3>in what's going on. And I think that to your point,

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<v Speaker 3>and it has a big part of it when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes across as authentic and connected and relevant and real

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<v Speaker 3>to what's actually going on. So again, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>there's always times like this where you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 3>address a team about something that's happening. But your confidence

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<v Speaker 3>and being clear about why you're sharing and what we're

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<v Speaker 3>all talking about into you know earlier, like addressing the

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<v Speaker 3>actual elephant in the room, I think is absolutely critical

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<v Speaker 3>if you want something like this from a message and

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<v Speaker 3>standpoint to land and be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, what's what you just said there, I

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<v Speaker 2>think is a really important part of this. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it really kind of it made me think about this

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit differently just now, because you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you send an email like this to many thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>people and it's in email format, there is nobody who

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<v Speaker 2>would ever suggest that the email won't be seen by

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<v Speaker 2>more people than it was that it was sent to. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>all it takes is copying and pasting and sending like

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be seen by the world, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>so if you're writing this email knowing that, then you're

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<v Speaker 2>writing it from a standpoint of believing that the world

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<v Speaker 2>is your audience, not just the people who work for

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<v Speaker 2>your organization. And that changes the way that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to say something because people who are not within the

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<v Speaker 2>organization may take things differently, like they there's there's a

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<v Speaker 2>larger impact to consider, and so at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, knowing that information, it might mean that email

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<v Speaker 2>is the wrong way to communicate these things to begin with,

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<v Speaker 2>it might need to be a a town hall type

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<v Speaker 2>thing where you you take time to visit different different

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<v Speaker 2>places in different locations, or you call the leadership teams

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<v Speaker 2>in all together that represent all the different areas and

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<v Speaker 2>you tell them this in person and and and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>instill in them the confidence to be able to disseminate

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<v Speaker 2>that information to their teams. Because at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, my confidence in my organization comes from my

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with my direct leader, not my relationship with my CEO,

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<v Speaker 2>who I don't even have a relationship with. So the

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<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a big difference in that, and so

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<v Speaker 2>trying trying to have a relationship with people who you

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually have a relationship with it can be problematic

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with. Instead, put trust in your people to

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<v Speaker 2>disseminate that information and give the message in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that allows you to be more transparent and more truthful

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<v Speaker 2>and more open because you're not addressing the world at large,

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<v Speaker 2>you're addressing actually the people.

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<v Speaker 3>This is impacting absolutely and with that it brings us

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<v Speaker 3>to the end of this episode, this is hacking your leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Lorenzo and I'm Chris, and we'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 3>all next time.
