Speaker 1: There was like a trapdoor that opened up into a
totally different experience. And specifically what happened is a portal
opened up on my wall, and I walked through this
portal into a place I call the Maze of Souls.
It was like corridors is the best way I think
to be corridors with portals on either side, so hallways
they would bend in every direction. Sometimes they slanted upwards,
sometimes they went in circles. Just endless corridors with all
these portals, and every time I jumped through a portal,
most of the time I'd end up back in the
Maze of Souls in another corridor, and it was just
endless wandering. I can tell you the first time, it
was terrifying. I had never experienced anything like this. It
was horrific. It was scary. I didn't know what was
going on. It was nothing like LSD. It was nothing
like any drug I had ever taken. It was hyer.
I was hyper aware, hyper alert. And it turned out
sometimes when you go through one of these doors, there
is a room on the other side, and sometimes in
these rooms you would encounter beings, and these beings but
communicate with you and share things with you. And one
of these beings that I encountered the very first time
was known as five.
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yes to the podcast. Man, Did I? Did I pronounce
the name right?
Speaker 1: Ogi Ogus long?
Speaker 2: I always I always find a way to mess up names.
Speaker 1: No worries truth.
Speaker 2: So Man to be here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm so happy that you invited me on
your show. I've got some extraordinary stuff to talk about
with your audience today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Be fun. You've been doing
a lot of podcasts recently.
Speaker 1: Nope, nope, I just started last week, So this is
really the first time I'm talking about this stuff. In fact,
this is going to be the very first time I'm
doing a whole show on it with someone, so uh,
lucky for you and lucky for your audience. Maybe I
could just talk a little bit about myself. Introduce myself.
Speaker 2: That's a great place, brother, great.
Speaker 1: My name is ogi Ogus, and I'm a mathematical neuroscientist.
I got kicked out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology
for talking to intexs, for talking to intelligent extraterrestrials. I
got kicked out of MTA for talking to aliens. And
I never stopped talking to those aliens for more than
thirty years now. And during this time, they have been
sharing math with me and science with me. And the
math and science that they've been sharing with me has
allowed me to do some extraordinary things. For example, I
figured out the mathematics of consciousness, how we are aware,
the mathematics of self consciousness, the mathematics of language. How
does our mind produce words and meanings? How do we
understand the meaning of words? How do we feel? Things
learned about the math that explains how we feel? Even autism.
So I've got autism myself. I'm autistic. Doing podcasts is
actually quite hard for me. Talking to people is very difficult.
I spent many, many years trying to figure out how
the brain autism works. And with the help of intex
that they shared the math that helped me understand that
and help me overcome a great deal of my autism
as well. So I would love to share it and
talk about any of this today on your show.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the way this works. You know,
a lot of times people will send over questions to ask.
There's like, here's a list of ten questions. Stick to
the questions of like, I don't really do that. You know,
like to have a free flow conversation, and it usually
brings out the best I have this way of extracting
information because in that opening statement, you know, there's so
many questions already. But so how did it start? How
did it start? This at least when did you become
aware that you were in contact? We'll say that.
Speaker 1: So when I was at M I t as a sophomore,
I took LSD, and like a lot of people who
tell take LSD, I had an experience. But I had
taken several times before, so this wasn't the first time
by any means. And also I had taken larger quantities before.
This was just a small quantity. I had done it
many times. I did lots of drugs and in the
middle of the LSD experience, there was like a trap
door that opened up into a totally different experience. And
specifically what happened is a portal opened up on my wall,
and I walked through this portal into a place I
call the Maze of Souls. It was like corridors is
the best way to think about. Corridors with portals on
either side. So hallways they would bend in every direction.
Sometimes they slanted upwards, sometimes they went in circles, just
endless qurridors with all these portals, and every time I
jumped through a portal, most of the time I'd end
up back in the Maze of Souls in another corridor,
and it was just endless wandering. I can tell you
the first time, it was terrifying. I had never experienced
anything like this. It was horrific. It was scary. I
didn't know what was going It was nothing like LSD.
It was nothing like any drug I had ever taken.
It was I was hyper aware, hyper alert. And it
turned out sometimes when you go through one of these doors,
there is a room on the other side, and sometimes
in these rooms you would encounter beings, and these beings
would communicate with you and share things with you. And
one of these beings that I encountered the very first
time was known as Five. So this was a form
of extraterrestrial intelligence. It calls itself five, and I met
it in a room in the Maze of Souls. Now
here's the thing. Here's a general piece of advice for
anyone who was ever trying to talk to supernatural beings
or extraterrestrials. You can always negotiate with purpose. If it
is a mind, if it has a mind that has goals,
if it has purpose, whether it's a bacterium, whether it's
a rabbit, a dog, a city, a country, or a
god or an extraterrestrial animal power, you can negotiate with
it because if it has purpose, it won something, and
that might you might have something to offer. So I
was able to negotiate with five, and Five was willing
to share different math with me, as I said, in
exchange for me being loyal and devoted to five and
doing some other things as well.
Speaker 2: Wow, some have you heard of what's known as because
this is what sounds similar to this. You know this
corridor that you're talking about mentioning the halls of a mentee,
no tell me, So essentially it it I'm no expert,
but essentially it's like this hall of records, this place
where all information is stored. I believe like in the
New Age they would call it it would be the
Acashic Records, but I believe it was in Egypt they
called it the halls of a Minti. So this this
essentially what the Library of Alexandria really is, like this
place where all the information, all the books are but
not physically this this place where maybe they're imprinted into
the ethers that're recorded there and you can go visit
and learn these ways. So it sounds very similar to
this place. You're going through these hallways and corridors and
opening up doors, and there's beings in there that are
willing to talk to you or willing to teach you.
So yeah, that's something to definitely look into if you.
I just wanted to know if you if you heard
of the term halls of Amentti.
Speaker 1: Well, it was halls of knowledge, and it sounds like
what you're describing as a similar thing, a place that
you one can acquire learning and knowledge and new ideas,
and that's certainly what the Maze of souls was for me.
Speaker 2: So whenever this started, you had this encounter and it's
just mind blowing, come back and process it. Oh my god,
what is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I talked to everybody about it. I thought
it was the most amazing, incredible, miraculous thing I had
ever experienced. And quite understandably, word of this got back
to the dean of student affairs at MIT, and the
dean called me into his office and I shared all
of this with great enthusiasm. I thought this was the
most wonderful thing ever. And he took a look at
me and kicked me out of MIT, and I got
committed to a mental hospital. So I was actually committed
to a mental hospital for more than two months because
of this. But I got out and as soon as
I got out, I had another experience, and I've been
having them ever since then. When I was younger, in
my twenties, I was only able to access the maze
of souls with the use of drugs. But today I
no longer need any equipment or substances or anything. I'm
able to experience that anytime anytime now, as a result
of having spent so many years engaged with this business.
Speaker 2: So you would consume LSD or other.
Speaker 1: Psychotropic early in the early years.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then go learn and then come back and
write down what you've learned in things. So that's how
the teaching progressed.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, and then they also guided me. One of
the biggest pieces of this was to try to understand consciousness,
you know, our ability to be aware. How are you
even aware that we're talking to someone, How we're aware
of the physical reality around this? How does our mind work?
This was a great mystery kind of at the heart
of this, and so one of the things they did,
especially in the early going, was guide me to an
understanding of that. That's how I ended up at I
got my pH d from Boston University because this was
a program that has a very mathematical approach to the mind.
And so the intex the extraterrestrials guided me to this
specific program, and they guided me to specific people there
that were doing the math, and they said, this is
the math to learn. And I learned that math and
it was indeed the math that explains how consciousness works.
And once I ended instead how consciousness works, I was
able to understand how autism works, how pain works. But
I also was able to understand how the extraterrestrials are
communicating with me. I can explain it. It'll take about
five minutes. If you don't mind me, I can explain
this mechanism. So you need to understand how consciousness works.
I'll give you a very brief summary of how consciousness
works in our brain. Whenever you're having a conscious experience,
when you're aware where you have a feeling of love
or anger or joy, when you have a feeling when
you're looking at something. I'm looking at my hand, I
see it's got five fingers. It's flesh color. When you're
having a conscious experience, something specific is happening in your brain.
It's a physical dynamic called resonance. What is resonating We
have a expectation. Whenever we're interacting with the world. We
expect to see something or here's something. We make a prediction.
I'm on a podcast, so I expect to see you
truth sitting across from me. That's my expectation. But we
also take in the facts the perceptions our eyes actually
see things. So what happens in our brain is our
expectation gets matched up with the facts we're perceiving. If
they match, resonance occurs. It's sort of like when a
trumpet in a violin play the same note. The note resonates,
it gets louder, it lasts longer, the two instruments get
in sync. That's what happens in our brain between expectation
and a fact. They synchronize, they resonate. We have many
modules in our brain that are capable of resonating and
producing consciousness. We have a visual module that recognizes things
we see. We have an audio module that recognizes things
we hear. We have an motion module that assigns feelings.
It makes us feel love or happiness, or fear, or
whatever the case may be. Each of these is capable
of resonance. And here's the amazing thing that the extraterrestrial
is shared with me. These resonant modules can resonate together.
That's how we have a multimodal contract experience. When we're
watching a movie. Our audio modules generating consciousness, our visual
module is generating consciousness, are feeling model that generate consciousness,
and these are resonating together. So that's why we have
all of these experiences at the same time in our brain.
How does this help us understand? How extra trustrials are
communicating with me and instilling math within my head. So
what they do is they set up resonances within my brain,
so they are able to communicate visions, ideas, concepts, visual
revelations by resonating with my brain, so they are able
to generate basically an extended conscious experience. And once I
understood this, I've been able to get better and better
control over the years. In the early years, they would
share math with me and I did not understand any
of it. It was way beyond me. It was like
there's a fire hose of craziness. But over the years,
as I've gotten better and better and started to understand
how it works, I'm finally able to make sense of it.
For example, I just explained to you how consciousness works.
They showed that to me that very first time when
I was eighteen years old at MIT, but I didn't
understand it back then. I didn't have enough knowledge, and
framework has taken many years, but now I'm beginning to
understand the things that they've been sharing with me.
Speaker 2: And is this in the I want to say, the
dream state, But is this through the activated imagination or
where you close your eyes and go in or is
it open eye visuals.
Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. So our mind has different states
of consciousness. An easy when when we're asleep, that's a
sleep state of conscious it's not the same as when
we're awake. We can also on drugs. They give us
different psychedelic states of consciousness. If you take LSD, some
kinds of marijuana, large business, you're going to enter a
different state of consciousness. There is a special state of
consciousness when I'm communicating with the intexs. I call it
the intex state of consciousness. I believe it is similar
to a schizophrenic state of consciousness. Schizophrenics also have a
distinctive state of consciousness. They get very impressionable, very suggestive.
They're open to messages from the world. The intex state
of consciousness is very similar to that. It's an openness
to the world. I feel intensely connected with reality around me.
I feel like I know everything, from the molecules in
my body to the cosmic flow of galaxies around me.
All of it just seems super aware. It's a very
strange and distinctive state of consciousness when I'm communicating with them,
a little bit akin I imagine to a schizophrenic state of consciousness.
But I'm pretty sure it's not exactly identical, because schizophrenics
usually don't get math that explains how the world works.
And when I'm in these states, when I come out
of it, I have new knowledge I didn't have before
about the way the world works, and has always proven
to be accurate. Sometimes it takes time to figure out
how it works. It's very confusing sometimes because it's new math.
But then I figure it out. And I've published many
books about these, you know, certainly endorsed by prominent mainstream scientists.
These are not, you know, obscure books at all, and
they are coming from the messages I get in these
visions from the extraterrestrials. It's remarkable.
Speaker 2: Are you aware of the quote that Joseph Campbell said
that the waters in which the schizophrenic drowns is the
same water in which the mystic swims with the light?
Speaker 1: I have not heard that. That is a beautiful, beautiful quote,
and right on the money as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: Me too. You know, I call it a form of
psychosis in a way because people are but we've only
given it a negative connotation. But that's just a state
of consciousness right that you're in and haven't learned to
function in, which is what reality is. Anyway, they've taught
us to, you know, what these things are. A tree
is a tree, a cloud is a cloud. The sun
is a ball of gas in these things. And so
there's a instruct that which we've all agreed upon to
gaze at it and say that that is what it is.
But the moment one steps into a heightened state, a
different state of conscious awareness, the tree is no longer
a tree. There is a relationship, so you feel deeply,
you feel like it's a friend that we exhale carbon
and it exhales oxygen, and we need each other. So
we're in relationship, like you said, with the molecules and
the universes and everything around us. The states of psychosis,
if you will. People would call that when I were
walking around talking to trees and hugging trees, and they're
talking back in those things, and it's just a level
that maybe other people aren't on. And then the one
who's the odd man out looks like the one who
is the crazy person or the schizophrenic. So what I've
experienced in my journey was the beginning of this in
the negative dark side of trying to get in to
say rituals and Satanism and different dark ocultic things as
a teenager, just a misguided youth, and I got in
opened up portals in my mind, started seeing these beings.
They started pulling me into trances and speaking languages, and
they saw me as an open vessel. But it was
mixed with debauchery. It was mixed with a lot of
negative energy, if you will. And I got to see
the beings, I would say that I was entertaining on
that side. I hit rock bottom. I was going to
be put in a straight jacket for sure. But I
had been a Christian before, and I knew that there
was a conscious state of peace, love, grace that flows
directly to you in this presence of God of Christ,
if you will, that I had experienced before. So I
knew it was there, and I did whatever I had
to do to get back to that level. And I did,
and I found peace in my life and traveled in
journey there for freedom and a battle over my own mind.
But now years later, this is over twenty years ago,
you know, well over twenty years ago. Now I found
that many of the things that I was experiencing in
that demonic if you will, darker psychosis, in the shades
of gray down into the blackness, they exist going up
into the beauty, into the bliss, into colorful spectrums of light.
So these are both different levels of psychosis. That when
I was in the dark place, I knew a doctor
couldn't understand me. And now that I'm in this heightened
sense of beauty and bliss, I know a doctor can't
understand me. But the more we share, just like we're
doing now in this podcast, and you coming forth with
your story, people who are out there experiencing this stuff
and scared to talk about it, which many times leads
to a deeper psychosis. Right, So this is so posila,
just having this conversation and you coming forth and everybody
bringing their piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I too, certainly when I was younger,
you know, and just wrestling with this. It is dark.
It can be very dark. And because you don't have
an understanding of it and you don't know what to
do with it, and you're young, we're both we're both
guys too, and there's you know, there's a male element.
Usually there's some aggression in there that there's usually some
anger in there somewhere too, especially when you're young and
you got to work all that, and they can lead
you to some some dark places. But I agree with
you talking about the role of psychosis. If we want
to elevate our consciousness, if we truly want to understand
things in a new way, we need to enter a
new state. And that will always feel like a transformation.
It will feel like a psychosis, because if we want
that tree to become a friend, that's a transition out
of our usual way of thinking. There's no way to
experience that except in an alternate state. And I think
this applies to anything. The first people who really understood
that the Earth went around the Sun instead of the
Sun going around the Earth, that was a transformation. It
seemed like psychosis. It took a long time for people
to accept it, and the first people that did it
was like a psychotic episode. How can you say the
universe is going this way instead of that way? It
was hard for people to understand. That's really when we
have these psychoses. It's a lot like just accepting that
the Earth goes around the Sun instead of the Sun
going around the Earth. It's that kind of change, and
we just don't have any framework for it. So we
call it crazy or a lunatic or an alternate state.
But it's just the only way for our minds to
reach new levels of understanding and wisdom and perspective is
to go through these transformations, which can be experienced as
a spiritual reckoning or a psychotic reckoning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's these things that can spring board you into
a heightened state. And you know, there's many different ways
to get there. Many people get there through trauma. You know.
Trauma does. Man, it definitely shakes up what's in there
for sure, and then you have to try to hopefully
put it back together and put it back to get
together better. You know. One of the things I wanted
to ask you, because I know how your mind works,
in a sense of you want to get this down
to an equation like, Okay, how do we get back?
How do we leave breadcrumbs that we can go back
and keep being taught. Hey, I exactly know how to
do it, and and so to study it and to
map it out and to talk openly with about these
things and get to I would say, I don't I
don't know if I would say similar results. But but
if we look at somebody like Steve Jobs or some
of the great thinkers Albert Einstein and these things, and
you know, and maybe they have had LSD experiences. Definitely
Steve Jobs and those guys. But it seems like that
that many people are getting to this naturally, like they're
they're like a natural place where people come to epiphanies
and they sit quietly in silence, and their mind is
full of thoughts and ideas and they shut it up,
and then finally those thoughts begin to make sense and
be more gentle, and then they write it down and boom,
they're being communicated with and don't even know it. But
someone like you and myself and many others were like, hey,
it was actually an alien that we saw, or this
et intelligence that we're standing in the hovering above my house,
or whatever the case is. The science of it is
something of infatuation. Do you think that there's many people
just by It's just the process that is a natural
process that you, myself and many others are trying your
best to explain such processes, and maybe explaining it scares people.
If you was just to show the results. Maybe like
a Steve Job, Hey this is what we did. Boom
boom boom. There's no talking about what goes on in
the sake ceremony, that kind of thing. But you're like, hey,
this is how I did it, because you can do
it too, kind of thing. You talk a little bit
about that.
Speaker 1: That's exactly why I'm finally coming out to talk about
it is I think this is a state of consciousness
to connect with these intexs that anybody can have. We're
all in the same reality and there's nothing special about me.
I wasn't chosen or anything like that. I'm just experiencing
the world the same as everyone. I think my autism
probably had something to do with my ability, because I think,
as you're saying, I think all of us have these
kinds of experiences or opportunities for the experiences just interacting
with reality. It is reality, that it's a truth about reality.
So as long as we're interacting with reality, there's always
an opportunity to find these deeper levels there. But I
think so many of us we just put those blinders on.
We just close our eyes. We're focused on the here
and now. Got to earn that paycheck, got to pay
that more, just gotta pay that rent. That's what's on
our minds. And so when these opportunities come, we just
get tunnel vision. We ignore them. I think my autism
when this I told you I went to this trap door.
So what I saw was there was like a pixel
in reality, it was a little iridescent thing, and my
autistic mind just latched onto it, started wondering what it was,
and it would not let go. And this pixel turned
into a wire in reality. I followed the wire and
it opened up into a tunnel, and I just my
autistic mind wouldn't let it go. Because when you're autistic,
you get obsessions. My autistic special interest has always been
the fundamental nature of reality. And so once I saw
this pixel, that just opened up and led me into
this maze of souls, I just couldn't let go. But
you don't need an autistic mind, uh to do these things.
That's why I'm sharing it. I'm trying. I'm going to
try to help people so that maybe if you're not
you don't have that natural sensitivity, you don't need it.
I will show you the ways. That's why I'm writing
a book right now about these experiences. I hope you
don't mind me mentioning it. It's called Large Gods for
Small Children. It's now available on Amazon and Apple. I'm
going to release a chapter every few weeks, but I'm
explaining how I was able to contact and how anybody
can as well. You mentioned math for me. All the
math is is a way of taking these revelations and
presenting in a way that people can understand. Words are helpful,
but words are vague also, you know, if we really
want to understand, hey, how are they talking to you?
How are they delivering this information? When we need a
little science, a little math. Math allows us to communicate.
The irony is I hate math. I am not a
math lover. When I was young, I finished like math
in high school and I thought I would never have
to take it in college. And then these beings started
communicating with me in math. It was awful at first.
I people think I'm some kind of math genius. No,
I just had I had to learn because that's how
they were community kating with me. You know, I don't
want to talk about math. It's hard for me. It's challenging.
I'm not great at it, but I had to spend
my life trying to understand this because I feel like
that's the only way to give concrete information to other people.
It's one thing. It's wonderful to talk about our experiences.
It's wonderful to share our experience. I love hearing about
your experiences, truth when you were younger, and how he
started in a dark place but you found the light.
I love these stories and we should all share them.
Like you're saying, I think this show is great. But
at some point, if we want people to do X,
Y and z and then you have a chance of
seeing this or experiencing this, you know, you need a
little math and science. And so that's what I'm trying
to do.
Speaker 2: I know we're headed somewhere right, We're headed somewhere beautiful.
I'll say that, you know, I'm very optimistic and that
and that you know, whoever's the beauty is in the
eye of the beholder, you know, But are a lot
of these things lost sciences? Like did we know this
at one time? Was this common knowledge? I mean, when
we look at Egypt, when we look at antiquity, we
see very beautiful homes, houses, sacred geometry, connection with the sun,
and Israel they only, you know, built their houses so
high and with flat roofs, roofs so everyone could go
out and see the sun and greet the sun. Like,
but we're lost from even our connection with what that means.
But it's hidden in ancient texts, it's hidden in the
Bible in many different texts. But is this something that
we once knew or is it that and more? Because
you know, there's this talk in many circles like, you know,
the next stage, we want the next thing that's coming.
And I agree, but I feel like we're just so
far behind when it comes to the ancient ways, the
ancient technologies, how they understood math and light and heal
through sunlight or healing through even changing the color of
the sunlight as it's coming through you through glass pane
windows and things like this, to focus on that energy
which is color, which is sound, which is frequency, which
is math. Like you're saying, is this something you believe
that the ancients new or is this like brand new
revelations truth?
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I believe. It's a little
bit different, a little bit different perspective perhaps, So I
do think the ancients had a wisdom that has been
lost I think they had a more direct relationship with nature.
They are directly in contact with the soil, with the animals,
with the plants. They knew them with an intimacy and
familiarity that's long lost. There might be some people alive today,
there might be some farmers or some other people who
are involved in nature, but as a society, as a species,
we've lost it. They used to have a relationship with
this stars. They knew all the stars, all the constellations,
all the planets moving around every night. They they communed
with the sky because the sky was real the way
now we're looking at screens, we're looking at text messages,
we're looking at social media. They were looking at the
stars and though, yes, that's right. And the flames, the fire.
They had a relationship with fire that's lost. Their meals
were a fire, campfire. Fire was very much a part
of the world. We've lost that. These relationships to these
basic physical substances, the wind, the flames, the soil, the leaves.
So they did have wisdom about that that has been lost,
no doubt. However, I do think that we today are
creating new wisdom and accessing new ideas, new concepts that
have never before been part of human civilization. Let me
tell you why I think so. One of the biggest
revelations that intexts share with me is something I call
the cosmic cycle. They call it the ladder of purpose.
Let me explain how this works. This is why reality existence,
the universe we live in is a never ending story.
It goes on and on and on. Here's how it works.
At the bottom of this cycle. At the bottom of
this ladder of purpose is what the intext calls chaotica.
Physicists call it quantum physics. It's these quantum sub microscopic
events going on all the time, bubbling, frauthing. They call
it chaotica. It is purposeless, it is aimless. There is
no goal there, there are no minds, there's no thinking,
there's no purpose. It's just randomness, controlled randomness, randomness that's
at the bottom. That randomness produces what intex calls mind seed.
Mind seed are molecules and other items. It might be
an ameto acid, it might be an oxygen molecule. These
are physical pieces, small physical pieces, again, aimless, no purpose,
and oxygen molecule does not have a goal. It doesn't
care where it is. It just is floating around randomly.
These are mind seed. When you put mind seed together
in a particular configuration, you get purpose, you get mines.
The very first minds on Earth were these single celled
creatures bacteria, protozoa. Another tiny creature called Archaia was the
oldest of all. They were the first purposeful entities in
the aniverse. They had purpose. Bacteria wants to go to
the light. It wants to find food, it wants to
escape from poisons and toxins. It has purpose. So we
did this transition from mind seed, physical stuff with no purpose,
by putting it together in a configuration, a molecular network.
Now you have purpose. Now you have a bacteria that's
swimming towards the light. It's towards something. It has purpose,
and we keep going from you. Oh, the next stage.
Those are molecule minds, those minds inside bacteria and protozoa.
The thinking elements are all individual molecules. We could identify
every single molecule in these minds. The next level are
neuron minds. These are jellyfish, insects, worms. They have neurons,
but they don't have brains, not the way we think
of brains in the next level are the module minds.
These are all the vertebrates. This is fish, amphibians, birds, mammals, reptiles.
They all have three layers of thinking. They have inside
each neuron is a molecule mind. Around that are neural networks.
That's also a level of thinking. And now around that
is a new level of thinking, modular thinking. These are
the conscious modules I was talking about earlier, Like when
we look at a visual object, we recognize an object
that happens in a visual conscious module. It's this third
level where consciousness comes out and it keeps going. The
fourth level is the supermind. We each individual human being, you, truth,
and me. We are the thinking elements in the human
supermind human society. We are designed to think as one.
That's why we have language. We talk with guesters, We
communicate with each other in a variety of ways. We
are designed to be part of a single supermind. Our
brains are like network routers that need to be plugged
into a network to exchange information. That's what we're designed
to be. We're the only creatures on Earth that have
risen to this level. We're the only four throung creatures.
We're only the only minds that have four levels of thinking.
All the other creatures have three levels or less. But
it doesn't stop, it keeps going. If you combine superminds together,
you get a hypermind. This is what we're seeing on
Earth right now. It seems chaotic. It seems hyperpartisan. In America,
Democrats and Republicans fighting each other on social media, full
of hate. There's so much hate and anger and hostility,
and there's war. The world just seems like it's in
a state of transition and transformation and chaos. This is
what we see throughout history, throughout evolutionary history. We're talking
hundreds of millions of years when I say this. Throughout history,
each time a new level of thinking, molecule minds, neural minds,
module minds, superminds, each time a new level now hyperminds, comes,
it is always as chaos as all the pieces get
be aligned to create this new level of awareness. So
maybe we will succeed. Maybe the end of this incredibly
chaotic process we're all going through right now will be
the formation of a planetary hypermind where all of these
the nation states on Earth can operate together in harmony.
Just like in our brain, all our modules work together
in harmony. It took a long time for evolution to
get that to work to produce us. Right now, it's
happening at another level, but it never stops past the
hypermind with other species out there in the world. So
if we become a hyper mind, we'll probably take over
the solar system. We'll meet other entities out there. If
we combine that forms ulter minds, it keeps going. There
is a top, a top level to all of this.
This is the the intext that I've been in contact with.
Like five, there's another one called three. Three is not
compatible with humankind. Three is an enemy. It's not that
they're evil, though it certainly feels like evil and darkness
if you interact with three. It's just they're incompatible with
what we think of as human nature. Five is very compatible.
So at the top of this ladder of purpose, it
keeps going. At the top are axiomized minds. So these
entities I've been in contact with, apparently you get to
a certain level and you need to make a commitment
to your values. What do you believe in as a society,
as this ultra mind, as a supermind, you got to
make a commitment to your values, your beliefs. This is
what we think is good, this is what we think
is bad. And this commitment happens mathematically. You have to
select actions. And when you do this, apparently this is
what intex tells me, you get access to ultimate technology.
Now you can change quantum physics. This is the cycle.
Now you have the ability to change the fabric of reality.
The problem is there's other axiomized minds I mentioned five
and three. They are in contest for the shape of reality.
They are both trying to reshape quantum physics to suit
their understanding of reality. This is a never ending cycle,
these axiomized minds. They're like gods competing for control of reality.
But we are part of it. This is what's so
beautiful about this view of all of this. They are
not separate. They are made of us. The decisions we make,
that truth you and I make in our lives, the
decision to do good or do wrong, to be selfish
or to be generoush this is creating these gods. It
is all these little decisions that all the eight billion
people are making that are going to contribute to the
God that we may one day be part of the gods.
Are us so we are the ones shaping reality. The
decisions we make in our lives. No matter how small
is real, no matter how infinitesimal, it is not zero.
You can measure it, and it's making a difference to
the future shape of reality. It means our lives matter.
The future is not predetermined. We don't know what's going
to happen tomorrow. Even the gods do not know what's
going to happen tomorrow. They are in contest the same
as us, and it just goes on and on. We
might rise, humanity might rise and join one of these
axiomized minds. We might have people one day leading some
of these great decisions, or we may destroy the earth
to a horrible climate change and get wiped out. And
maybe in one hundred million years there'll be raccoon minds
coming up on Earth and maybe they're the ones that
will ascend. That's what's so wonderful. We don't know. It's
up to us to make the difference in the world,
in the universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so profoundly put and that can be explained and
experienced in many different ways than it is. So essentially,
your vote does count. You vote with your energy, your
your your mind, will and emotions. Is your vote, is
your is what you.
Speaker 1: The choices you make in your life, they matter, truly matter.
The future is not free determined, you know it is not.
Some people think there's no free will, that's all cast
in stone. No, not remotely. It's purpose, competing purpose, all
the way up and all the way down. It is beings,
and we're all cooperating and competing endlessly, and it just
goes on and on and on, and it means each
individual's life has value and matters. The decisions you make
will influence the face of God that will come, you know,
for generations.
Speaker 2: Hence, yeah, so good. Another question, so this this meeting,
you know, this being being taught. Have you have you
seen them physically? Do they allow you to see them physically?
Speaker 1: I think no, so the no, but I do There
was one experience. I had one experience where I believe
I saw some representatives. So I don't know if I'm
interacting with For all I know, they could be like
AI's from this civilization, just like that. If some low
level creature like like a human like like me, accesses this,
it's not like they have other people that said customer
service represents I bet it's some kind of device or machine,
you know, very van so I you know, when I
say device, I don't mean like an iPad. I imagine
it's something very very sophisticated because it's able to interact
with me in real time and deliver incredibly sophisticated concepts
very fluidly. But I do doubt that I'm interacting with
you know, a person, you know, a single living alien
who's sitting in a chair somewhere talking to me. I
don't think that's what's happening. I think I'm accessing some
kind of machinery or computational interface that's allowing them, you know,
it's their intelligence, it's there being behind it. But but
I don't actually think, like, when this is happening, there's
like you, a little green man sitting on a stool
having a conversation with me. Yeah, it doesn't feel like that.
It feels it feels vast, big beyond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're tapping into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's why a lot of the UFO
stuff is coming out in the news now, so that
they can take control of the narrative. And you just said, like,
how important is the narrative? How many people, can we
convince that there is a threat and we need to
band together and fight against this threat. I mean, this
was even said by our government many years ago. Is
something that would come forth when when I believe that
we reach the level of consciousness where we start interacting
with said beings or we start incarnating here from their
star systems or whatever. So now the there's a lot
more people who are tapping in or people who are
what is the word autistic, And so it's my belief
that not even autism, but even looking at you know,
children with down syndrome like the joy and there's like
they're just wired different of what they're able to bring
in a smile and childlike wonder and the way that
people who are who are autistic, and then you try
to sit them in a chair for eight hours and
be still in a classroom. It don't work like that.
And so we're being forced to upgrade, if you will,
or be judged by the way we've we've treated our
our angels, if you will, And uh, it seems that
we're you know, raising to a new level of consciousness
because at first it feels like you're alone, right when
you're going through this, when you're in college and you're
having this epiphany and this encounter it's like, oh God,
who gonna talk to? And you know how many years
it takes to you figure out there's nobody you can
talk to until there is until you find the other
people say oh, yeah, I've been I'm being taught to
what time you go to class? Oh wow? So it's
marked with and so this does go back many many,
many years and uh, and people are experiencing it now
and you know the words and you know how to
interact with it and how to go back. You know.
One of the things that that that stuck out to
me when you were talking about, you know, dealing with
the math equations and all of this advance stuff that oh,
you know, you're you're, you're, you're the perfect person for
the job because you went to college and you study
and you was a math whiz. It doesn't work like that,
you know it. You know, for me, there's a picture
of in the scriptures of Jesus go and get his
twelve of these people who were like the least likely
to succeed, the least likely, even Jesus being from Nazareth,
and like, man, what good Nazareth this is a slump, like, no,
we need somebody who has not learned why, so we
can teach them the right way and the glory only
goes to the creator versus the people band together so
that you know that it's some type of intelligence, something
far beyond you, right, because you don't know this. You
don't know this kind of things. But you're being shown
and you wake up and you know advanced math equations
or sacred geometric patterns that keep coming to you, and
you're like, what do I truth?
Speaker 1: You've hit it?
Speaker 2: What do I do with him?
Speaker 1: A very You've hit it? An excellent point, which is
sometimes too much education is a bad thing. People who
spend a lot of time in school. I gotta admit
I have some of the most narrow minds you're gonna meet.
They learn a lot of stuff from books. Look, you
should learn kids, Go learn from books. Nothing wrong from
learning from books. But you got to always learn from
the world too. Book learning is great. World learning always
more important. And what happens is people spend too much
time in books, too much time in universities, too much
time in these academic ivory towers, and then they can't
relate back down to the direct experience of the universe,
which is where we all live and inhabit and where
these revelations occur. And so I find oftentimes academics just
have a hard time making the leap, the jump to
understand a direct connection with the reality, with the universe,
with these beings. So I do think it can often
be an advantage to start out with less education because
you're my mind's more open. That's what happened to me.
I started out. I did not have a science backround.
My parents did not raise me religious, but they didn't
raise me scientifically in the order did they raise me atheists.
My parents were just silent on metaphysical questions. But that
meant when this happened to me, I didn't immediately go, oh,
this is going to be a scientific explanation. But I
also didn't say, oh, this must be this must be
the Christian God. I did not know what it was.
I kept an open mind. I did not immediately turn
to physics. I didn't immediately turn to Christianity either. I
just said, I'm going to figure this out as it is,
as it is presented to me on its own terms.
I'm not going to bring anything to the table I'm
just going to listen to what this has to teach me,
and I now, looking back, that was the right approach.
I think we talked about how I think everyone comes
in contact with this at some point because it is
the reality, so we're interacting with it. It's really we
just cut ourselves off from it. But I think what
happens too is we our pre existing ideas and values
and beliefs, and that's a good thing. That can be
a good thing, but sometimes it gives us a ceiling
and artificial ceiling that if we were willing to put
aside some of the beliefs that we came with, especially
people who are over educated, but also any of us
can come you know, our parents give us beliefs, teach
us things that can be helpful. But sometimes if you
want this ultimate knowledge, if you want to go beyond
and touch the stars, if you want to touch reality
at its deepest, you've got to let go of the
things that you've been taught, because you've only been taught
by other people what other humanity knows up to this point.
If you want to go beyond what humanity knows, you've
got to let go of what you've learned and that
gives you a chance of learning something extraordinary and new.
And I think that's what happened to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's happened into a lot of people,
and it's it's you know, it's a challenge, and it's
been fun so like much we know that this is
part of the curriculum. It's so going to be taught
like that. You have to unlearn, and especially the things
you've demonized, which I found very fun, because once you
judge it, it's like there's a brick wall that comes
up once they hear the story. Oh he's a basket case. Yeah,
he was a reject, he got kicked out of college.
Don't listen to him. You put up this wall until
if some of those people at Harvard wouldever come and
listen to you and say, hold on, let me he
said a couple of things that made sense. Let me,
let me listen a little bit more deeply, because some
of it's starting to make sense. If they'll move past
that veil, then they'll be initiated to the information of
what you're trying to teach, and whoever's trying to who
is teaching through you, is teaching. So it's not just you.
It's it's you and your order, if you will, that
that you're learning from. It's been fun to go back
and look at all the things that I said, you know,
places that God wasn't, places that you know, really God
or love or whatever you know wasn't because you know,
coming from a religious background, and then to seek God
in it all, or to see Christ, which is love.
And you spoke about on other interviews the importance of
love and say, okay, love is only here or love
is only there. Love is only in the Christian Church,
my friend, they're the only ones with it, and we're
been brainwashed it at least I was, and many many people.
And so we've called other people demonic. We've called Catholics deceived.
Oh they're deceived. You know. All of that stuff is demonic,
All of it's pagan. You know, the Egyptians, they're deceived.
All of that's domonic. They're in touch with demons. Until
you say, hold on, maybe they weren't. Maybe they weren't.
Let me get I don't know that they weren't. Were
not versus be coming from the aspect of the know
it all, which is the which is what we're trained
to do. And we have no idea. We have no
idea because you know, like I know, everything's multi dimensional.
Are we just talking about the physical? Are we talking
about the interior? Are we talking about out the celestial
realm of it? That all of it exists in multiple dimensions.
So it's been fun to be brought through that ringer
of looking at the things that I thought I knew.
And for me, it's this question, and it seems like
I'm hearing it from you too. You know in the scriptures,
when the Israelites were in this place of the wilderness
and they were looking for food, and God fed them
supernaturally with manna from heaven, right, and so the word
mana simply translates to what is this? What is this?
And Jesus says, give us this day our daily bread,
Give me today what I need. So that daily bread
and the wilderness was mann it's contemplation. It's to ask
the question is to look again at for me Catholicism
or the Masons, whatever, a tree and so hold on,
what is this or it's a tree? You know exactly
what it is. You can cut them down, you can
make fire out of them. It's just no, no, no, no,
I think I asked the tree to move, and it
moves for me. Like I feel like like why, like,
why woh't I take my shoes off and put my
feet on the earth. Why do I feel like all
of the pressure that I've been holding out? Why do
I feel grounded when I put the soles of my
feet on the ground. Why does my soul feel at ease?
What is this? What is this? And the fact that
many people have took the same LSD more times, many
times over seem more qualified than you, quite honestly. But
you said, many people saw the pixel? What is this?
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, guys, what is this?
It's just a light man. You're tripping, dude, No, no, no,
I've tripped many times. What is this? And it's like
that is the initiation to go back and just look
everything everything, and I mean everything, and say what is this?
It's such a beautiful bound way to learn and it
is my curriculum at this point, and it's it's a
lot of ours and truth.
Speaker 1: We never want to close the door on love. So
I really appreciated what you said about you. It is
wonderful to go back and when we limit our love
and we say all that this is the group that loves,
but these groups aren't deserving of our love. You know,
never to want to do that. You know, you got
to open yourself up because love is everywhere. Yeah, you
mentioned so. I'd say the number one revelation that Intex
has shared with me, and you mentioned it, just the
one that transformed me more than anything else. Was this
Intex revealed to me there is a cosmic purpose for love,
that the physical reality we live in was designed for
love to emerge again and again in infinite forms, constantly changing,
but always emerging. Compassion. I talked about that ladder of purpose,
how there's different levels. There's molecule minds the bacteria at
the bottom, then there's the neuron, the worms, the insects, invertebrates,
then the module minds vertebrates, fish, and febians, each of
these transitions going up from the single cell creatures to invertebrates,
going from invertebrates to vertebrates, then going from vertebrates from
mammals to humans. With our superminds where we have language,
we're all bound together. Each of these transitions only happens
through love, the only way we can ascend to new
levels of intelligence, understanding, resilience. Wisdom is through love. Here's why.
Each time there's a transition for the single cell creatures,
there's little bacteria, microscopic bacteria to turn into worms and
insects with lots of cells with neurons. How did that happen?
The individual cells had to come together and self sacrifice.
They had to say, we're gonna give up a little
to get a lot. We're gonna lose a little individuality.
I can no longer go on my own and decide
where to go. I have to work it out well
with the other selves to the other, we'll decide where
to go. I'm losing a little individuality, but I'm sacrificing
myself to be part of others. And this is what
happens each time, and that's what we're going through right now.
If we want to reach the hypermind stage, we've got
to learn to love each other, to accept our diversity,
our differences. Like you said, we start out thinking, no,
only this group, my group is deserving of loves. Those
other groups they're questionable, they're shaky. I don't know about
those guys. It's only when we start to love everyone,
or at least accept respect, tolerate everyone. There's always going
to be some people it's going to be hard to
feel that love. But we can respect them, we can
tolerate them, we can accept them. We can say, you
know what, You've got different views than me, different values,
but you're another human and I respect you for that.
And we'll find a way to inhabit this world together,
you with your vision and us with ours. And once
we do this on the global scale, that's the only way.
There's no other way to generate a new level of
intelligence and awareness and resilience and adaptiveness. Those only come
We've seen through a billion years of evolution on Earth.
These major transitions of purpose of awareness, they only happen
through love. And this is true throughout the universe. If
we encounter aliens in another galaxy, they will have gone
through these same levels. They will have gone through stages
of love in order to achieve the level of consciousness
that we have. And this I think is the most
beautiful thing at all, because it is embedded in the
structure of reality. For there to be conscious beings like us,
there needs to be love. We need to have some
measure in our brain. All of the things in our
brain love each other. The modules all get along with
each other. If one model just had a death wish
against another module, the vision modge get rid of the
audience module, we be in terrible trouble. Our brains wouldn't
work right. That might even be the source of some
mental illnesses. So the same thing happens at every level
of reality. To get to those new levels of intelligence,
We've got a love with another so good.
Speaker 2: My mind goes to Bible versus this way because that's
you know, that's just I know so much, and like
it's the body of Christ. You know, it is as
far as what the scriptures call of love. Like in
order for this vehicle to work, you gotta have four tires.
What about three? The fourth tire, we don't need it.
You're gonna need it. You're gonna go slower, you're gonna veer.
You know, we don't need a steering wheel, you actually do.
Or I don't need my hand, I don't need my thumbs.
Oh you do need thumbs, trust me. We need every
part of the body working together for this thing to
manifest and for this thing to be able to operate
in this reality. And then at some point as they
come together like you said, all of these different pieces
and they form the one. They eventually now you can say, hey,
that's the one. You see them. He's he's he's Derek,
He's he's Augie, like he's all of these, he's Jesus.
It's like, no, no, no, I'm must give myself up so
that the sum can become to some thing and so
that I can merge with the greater collective. So that
Jesus thought this, and Paul, it's like in these religious
teachings that were like, ah, he said, now I gotta
They were begging him to stay in human form. You know,
we can set up a great empire and control things,
and there's so many people listening to you. We got this. No, no, no,
it don't work like that. I'm carrying a lot, but
I can only be in certain places at certain times.
And I got to give myself up because once I
seed into the ground, a seed has to go into
the ground, and that seed is going to bring forth
a tree that brings forth fruit that brings forth many, many,
many seeds. And now I can be all over the world.
I can talk to all of you one on one
at the same time, versus having to go sit with you,
and I've only got twenty four hours and this way
of giving oneself up. So you're talking about this collective
consciousness of what the majority wants, and there is a
war for the narrative because I do think I know
that the majority is choosing love, and so there are
shifts happening. The heavens are responding, the sun is echoing
back in resonance. What the cry of the people is love, freedom, peace, joy.
But they're deceptive and showing us on our cell phones
murder and fighting and buy this and you're depressed and
you'll never be okay unless you get this. And it's like,
that's not our reality, that's your reality. You're selling us
because there's something greater, there's another, a place that we
can get fulfillment, peace and joy from. It's as symbol
as in the breath and just simply saying this, My
day changes when I just say thank you. I try
my best to start every every morning that way. Just
it don't take long. Just sit down and just take
a breath, and man, thank you for this, thank you
for this moment. Because it's not like you know, the ego,
it is the ego in this moment because I'm here
as truth seeker as Derek, and I like the life
I've created, but this is temporary and I know what
is next. And because I'm here, let me say thank you.
Let me let me program these cells and you know
what I'm saying, molecules that I'm gonna be okay, I'm
gonna be taken care of. And you know what, I'm
not promised tomorrow. So why while I have today, let
me say thank you. It's so powerful, it's so profound,
and that is the new narrative.
Speaker 1: Having that attitude of gratitude is wonders for the soul.
Heals your soul, calms your soul, fulfills your soul. I
couldn't agree with you more. Just you got to have
gratitude for this amazing universe that we're in that is
so full of love and other people, and it's just
it's a glorious place and we should be thankful for it.
Speaker 2: You know. Speaking of those levels of consciousness or those
levels of schizophrenia or psychosis whatever, because they go up
and down into being a beautiful, blissful one is amazing. Right,
everyone's in one and don't know it. Let's just say
that there's a there's a word that that's beautiful. You
may have heard this word. But so for paranoia, it's
something that a lot of people experience on the downward spiral.
It's this dark place where everyone's out to get me.
I'm gonna you know, they've got wires in here, and
they've got cameras watching me, and they're in the trees
and you know, they're sitting on mark vehicles out here,
gang Stock. I mean, it goes really deep and really dark,
and it is demonic. But for that to be exists
at a level negative three of paranoia at level positive three,
and it can simply shift whenever you say yes and
you've reprogrammed your mind is something that's called pronoia, and
it shifts. It's essentially for this, it's the same thing
as paranoia, but the opposite. God, the angels, everyone is
out to help me. They're all rooting for me, they
all want me to succeed. In the moment that you
shift into that belief and begin to think about it
in daydream and ask what is this? How are you
trying to help me? How are you are you here
to help me with my finances and pay bills? Yes,
because it responds on what you put out. You'll find
a resonance. And for that level of consciousness of paranoia,
there's pronoia. So my advice to listeners, man who get
in these these states of paranoia, and I get messages
daily and I've been there. There's a beauty and a
bliss that exists that is beyond any of your wildest
dreams that all you got to do is ask for
it and say yes, and and it begins to shift
your world.
Speaker 1: I love that concept. Truth of pronoia makes a lot
of sense. Can see, you should feel the universe is
on your side. The universe does want you to succeed.
Everything that came before you to get you here. All
the lives, so many lives, countless lives, near infinite lives,
just so you could be They all did what they
did so that you could be here and have these experiences.
The universe does want you to be here and does
want you to experience it because everything that came before
you is for that. And just like we want those
ahead of us one day, our children, our children's children,
we want them to succeed too, and the decisions we
make will influence that. And so we have a part
of this endless chain of living beings, striving and wanting
those that come in the future to have a better
experience than what they had. So what this means is
we are here for a reason and the universe wants
you to feel love and joy and happiness in harmony.
Speaker 2: So awesome, So awesome. One last question, do you resonate
Obviously it's just wording and wording, it's so weird, right
with religious or like connotation that you tie into it.
Do you resonate all with with the term channeling? Does
it feel like you are a receiver, like a television
that's able to dial in on a certain frequency to
be taught and to receive that information from five.
Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. Truth, I'd say, in the very
early going, before I really understood anything, when I was
just a young you know, young person experiencing the impossible
with no framework. Yes, Then in the early days, I say,
it's a lot like channeling, where I was a vessel.
The messages would just come in and I would do
what I can't could with them, which was not much
because it was so in the early day, is so crazy,
But over time it's now more of a conversation. I
am now definitely, you know, an independent agent. It's like
interacting with like the United States or something. When I
interact with five, it is very powerful. It's not like
interacting with another person sitting on a chair. It is
like interacting with a with a nation that's issuing press
releases or something. It's a lot more. That's not exactly right,
but it's more like that than the conversation with a person,
but it still is. Now. I ask questions and I
get answers, and the early going it just came. It
just came now. Though I would never want to say
I can control it completely, that's definitely not true. But
I can influence it, and I can stand up for
myself a little bit. I don't want to go too far.
These are like gods. Five, you know, it's all power.
Five has changed the physical reality around me in ways
and done things with time, done impossible miraculous things. So
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that it's
anywhere close to being an equal or that I'm completely independent. No,
that's just outrageous. But it's like saying the Earth versus
the sun. Now, is the Earth going to influence the
Sun's motions. No, no, it's not. But the Earth still
has its own control. If we could influence the orbit
of the Earth a little bit if we wanted, by
doing various things on the Earth, But the Sun is
always going to dictate what happens to the Earth more
than the Earth dictating what happens to the South. That's
what it's like, I'd say. Now, So no more channeling,
just kind of separate but tiny, microscopic compared to the
beings I'm interacting.
Speaker 2: So good man, thank you for sharing your story and
bringing some clarity to where we are, where we're headed,
and I think it's going to help a lot of people.
I don't think I know where can people find more
about your work? I know you have books out and
you're working on more. Do you have a website? Do
you have a place where people can come check out
more of your stuff and in all the interviews that
you've been doing lately and stuff or the last few sure.
Speaker 1: Yes. My website is my name Ogiogus dot com, Ogdogas
dot com And from there you can also click on
a link to buy my book Large Gods for Small Children,
where I talk about all this right now, it's for
sale for ninety nine cents, so you can get the
whole book right now. Is only the first chapters available.
I have actually written the whole thing. I just need
a polish each chapter before I post them, So right
now you can get all future chapters for ninety nine cents.
Each time I post a chapter, I'm going to raise
the price a little bit so you can go to
ogiogis dot com to see that.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank yeah, well, thank you so much, brother,
and don't be a stranger. We'll have to do it again, and.
Speaker 1: Truth, i'd love to come back. This was a great show.
I had a great time. I love talking about this
stuff and I hope it helps your listeners.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I would say it already helped me,
so I already know it's going to help my audience
for sure. Thank you so much, brother. We have to
do it again.
Speaker 1: I have a great time. Thank you so much.