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totally different experience. And specifically what happened is a portal

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portal into a place I call the Maze of Souls.

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It was like corridors is the best way I think

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to be corridors with portals on either side, so hallways

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they would bend in every direction. Sometimes they slanted upwards,

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sometimes they went in circles. Just endless corridors with all

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these portals, and every time I jumped through a portal,

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most of the time I'd end up back in the

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Maze of Souls in another corridor, and it was just

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endless wandering. I can tell you the first time, it

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was terrifying. I had never experienced anything like this. It

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was horrific. It was scary. I didn't know what was

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going on. It was nothing like LSD. It was nothing

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like any drug I had ever taken. It was hyer.

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I was hyper aware, hyper alert. And it turned out

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sometimes when you go through one of these doors, there

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is a room on the other side, and sometimes in

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these rooms you would encounter beings, and these beings but

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communicate with you and share things with you. And one

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of these beings that I encountered the very first time

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amazing episode. You guys are gonna enjoy this one. We

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go deep into talking about extraterrestrials, the intelligence, how they

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communicate with each other, with you as an individual, and

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how they're communicating with the collective. I think this episode

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is important because of all of the things that are

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being released right now in the mainstream media who are

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trying to get ahead of the narrative, and so they

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want us to look at little green men, and I'm

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here to tell you that the conversation is much bigger,

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literally larger than a little green man controlling a spacecraft.

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get started, I want to let everybody know that I

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just released a new album, four song EP entitled Unspeakable,

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produced solely by my good friend zen Jay Beats. You

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guys are gonna love this one. It is an album

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where I was able to open up to get a

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little bit more vulnerable. I describe it as a worship

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towards Christ about my relationship, but also call it dark

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worship because I'm getting pretty vulnerable and talking about things

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that you might not hear on a Sunday morning worship song.

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very fiber of your being. And that's what this album

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yes to the podcast. Man, Did I? Did I pronounce

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your show. I've got some extraordinary stuff to talk about

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I got kicked out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology

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endless qurridors with all these portals, and every time I

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what you're describing as a similar thing, a place that

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you one can acquire learning and knowledge and new ideas,

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it was the most amazing, incredible, miraculous thing I had

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ever experienced. And quite understandably, word of this got back

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dean called me into his office and I shared all

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of this with great enthusiasm. I thought this was the

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then go learn and then come back and

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the biggest pieces of this was to try to understand consciousness,

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you know, our ability to be aware. How are you

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even aware that we're talking to someone, How we're aware

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of the physical reality around this? How does our mind work?

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This was a great mystery kind of at the heart

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of this, and so one of the things they did,

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especially in the early going, was guide me to an

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understanding of that. That's how I ended up at I

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got my pH d from Boston University because this was

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a program that has a very mathematical approach to the mind.

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And so the intex the extraterrestrials guided me to this

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specific program, and they guided me to specific people there

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that were doing the math, and they said, this is

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the math to learn. And I learned that math and

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it was indeed the math that explains how consciousness works.

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And once I ended instead how consciousness works, I was

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able to understand how autism works, how pain works. But

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I also was able to understand how the extraterrestrials are

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communicating with me. I can explain it. It'll take about

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five minutes. If you don't mind me, I can explain

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this mechanism. So you need to understand how consciousness works.

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I'll give you a very brief summary of how consciousness

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works in our brain. Whenever you're having a conscious experience,

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when you're aware where you have a feeling of love

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or anger or joy, when you have a feeling when

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you're looking at something. I'm looking at my hand, I

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see it's got five fingers. It's flesh color. When you're

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having a conscious experience, something specific is happening in your brain.

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It's a physical dynamic called resonance. What is resonating We

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have a expectation. Whenever we're interacting with the world. We

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expect to see something or here's something. We make a prediction.

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I'm on a podcast, so I expect to see you

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truth sitting across from me. That's my expectation. But we

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also take in the facts the perceptions our eyes actually

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see things. So what happens in our brain is our

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expectation gets matched up with the facts we're perceiving. If

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they match, resonance occurs. It's sort of like when a

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trumpet in a violin play the same note. The note resonates,

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it gets louder, it lasts longer, the two instruments get

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in sync. That's what happens in our brain between expectation

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and a fact. They synchronize, they resonate. We have many

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modules in our brain that are capable of resonating and

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producing consciousness. We have a visual module that recognizes things

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we see. We have an audio module that recognizes things

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we hear. We have an motion module that assigns feelings.

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whatever the case may be. Each of these is capable

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of resonance. And here's the amazing thing that the extraterrestrial

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is shared with me. These resonant modules can resonate together.

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That's how we have a multimodal contract experience. When we're

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watching a movie. Our audio modules generating consciousness, our visual

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module is generating consciousness, are feeling model that generate consciousness,

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and these are resonating together. So that's why we have

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all of these experiences at the same time in our brain.

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How does this help us understand? How extra trustrials are

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communicating with me and instilling math within my head. So

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what they do is they set up resonances within my brain,

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so they are able to communicate visions, ideas, concepts, visual

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revelations by resonating with my brain, so they are able

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to generate basically an extended conscious experience. And once I

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understood this, I've been able to get better and better

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control over the years. In the early years, they would

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share math with me and I did not understand any

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of it. It was way beyond me. It was like

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there's a fire hose of craziness. But over the years,

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as I've gotten better and better and started to understand

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how it works, I'm finally able to make sense of it.

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For example, I just explained to you how consciousness works.

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They showed that to me that very first time when

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I was eighteen years old at MIT, but I didn't

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understand it back then. I didn't have enough knowledge, and

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framework has taken many years, but now I'm beginning to

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understand the things that they've been sharing with me.

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Speaker 2: And is this in the I want to say, the

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dream state, But is this through the activated imagination or

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where you close your eyes and go in or is

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it open eye visuals.

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Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. So our mind has different states

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of consciousness. An easy when when we're asleep, that's a

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sleep state of conscious it's not the same as when

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we're awake. We can also on drugs. They give us

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different psychedelic states of consciousness. If you take LSD, some

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kinds of marijuana, large business, you're going to enter a

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different state of consciousness. There is a special state of

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consciousness when I'm communicating with the intexs. I call it

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the intex state of consciousness. I believe it is similar

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to a schizophrenic state of consciousness. Schizophrenics also have a

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distinctive state of consciousness. They get very impressionable, very suggestive.

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They're open to messages from the world. The intex state

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of consciousness is very similar to that. It's an openness

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to the world. I feel intensely connected with reality around me.

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I feel like I know everything, from the molecules in

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my body to the cosmic flow of galaxies around me.

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All of it just seems super aware. It's a very

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strange and distinctive state of consciousness when I'm communicating with them,

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a little bit akin I imagine to a schizophrenic state of consciousness.

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But I'm pretty sure it's not exactly identical, because schizophrenics

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usually don't get math that explains how the world works.

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And when I'm in these states, when I come out

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of it, I have new knowledge I didn't have before

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about the way the world works, and has always proven

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to be accurate. Sometimes it takes time to figure out

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how it works. It's very confusing sometimes because it's new math.

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But then I figure it out. And I've published many

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books about these, you know, certainly endorsed by prominent mainstream scientists.

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These are not, you know, obscure books at all, and

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they are coming from the messages I get in these

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visions from the extraterrestrials. It's remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Are you aware of the quote that Joseph Campbell said

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that the waters in which the schizophrenic drowns is the

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same water in which the mystic swims with the light?

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Speaker 1: I have not heard that. That is a beautiful, beautiful quote,

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and right on the money as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: Me too. You know, I call it a form of

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psychosis in a way because people are but we've only

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given it a negative connotation. But that's just a state

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of consciousness right that you're in and haven't learned to

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function in, which is what reality is. Anyway, they've taught

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us to, you know, what these things are. A tree

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is a tree, a cloud is a cloud. The sun

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is a ball of gas in these things. And so

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there's a instruct that which we've all agreed upon to

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gaze at it and say that that is what it is.

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But the moment one steps into a heightened state, a

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different state of conscious awareness, the tree is no longer

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a tree. There is a relationship, so you feel deeply,

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you feel like it's a friend that we exhale carbon

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and it exhales oxygen, and we need each other. So

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we're in relationship, like you said, with the molecules and

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the universes and everything around us. The states of psychosis,

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if you will. People would call that when I were

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walking around talking to trees and hugging trees, and they're

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talking back in those things, and it's just a level

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that maybe other people aren't on. And then the one

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who's the odd man out looks like the one who

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is the crazy person or the schizophrenic. So what I've

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experienced in my journey was the beginning of this in

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the negative dark side of trying to get in to

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say rituals and Satanism and different dark ocultic things as

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a teenager, just a misguided youth, and I got in

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opened up portals in my mind, started seeing these beings.

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They started pulling me into trances and speaking languages, and

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they saw me as an open vessel. But it was

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mixed with debauchery. It was mixed with a lot of

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negative energy, if you will. And I got to see

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the beings, I would say that I was entertaining on

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that side. I hit rock bottom. I was going to

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be put in a straight jacket for sure. But I

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had been a Christian before, and I knew that there

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was a conscious state of peace, love, grace that flows

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directly to you in this presence of God of Christ,

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if you will, that I had experienced before. So I

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knew it was there, and I did whatever I had

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to do to get back to that level. And I did,

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and I found peace in my life and traveled in

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journey there for freedom and a battle over my own mind.

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But now years later, this is over twenty years ago,

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you know, well over twenty years ago. Now I found

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that many of the things that I was experiencing in

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that demonic if you will, darker psychosis, in the shades

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of gray down into the blackness, they exist going up

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into the beauty, into the bliss, into colorful spectrums of light.

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So these are both different levels of psychosis. That when

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I was in the dark place, I knew a doctor

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couldn't understand me. And now that I'm in this heightened

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sense of beauty and bliss, I know a doctor can't

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understand me. But the more we share, just like we're

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doing now in this podcast, and you coming forth with

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your story, people who are out there experiencing this stuff

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and scared to talk about it, which many times leads

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to a deeper psychosis. Right, So this is so posila,

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just having this conversation and you coming forth and everybody

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bringing their piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I too, certainly when I was younger,

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you know, and just wrestling with this. It is dark.

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It can be very dark. And because you don't have

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an understanding of it and you don't know what to

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do with it, and you're young, we're both we're both

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guys too, and there's you know, there's a male element.

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Usually there's some aggression in there that there's usually some

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anger in there somewhere too, especially when you're young and

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you got to work all that, and they can lead

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you to some some dark places. But I agree with

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you talking about the role of psychosis. If we want

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to elevate our consciousness, if we truly want to understand

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things in a new way, we need to enter a

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new state. And that will always feel like a transformation.

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It will feel like a psychosis, because if we want

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that tree to become a friend, that's a transition out

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of our usual way of thinking. There's no way to

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experience that except in an alternate state. And I think

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this applies to anything. The first people who really understood

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that the Earth went around the Sun instead of the

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Sun going around the Earth, that was a transformation. It

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seemed like psychosis. It took a long time for people

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to accept it, and the first people that did it

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was like a psychotic episode. How can you say the

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universe is going this way instead of that way? It

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was hard for people to understand. That's really when we

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have these psychoses. It's a lot like just accepting that

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the Earth goes around the Sun instead of the Sun

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going around the Earth. It's that kind of change, and

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we just don't have any framework for it. So we

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call it crazy or a lunatic or an alternate state.

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But it's just the only way for our minds to

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reach new levels of understanding and wisdom and perspective is

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to go through these transformations, which can be experienced as

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a spiritual reckoning or a psychotic reckoning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's these things that can spring board you into

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a heightened state. And you know, there's many different ways

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to get there. Many people get there through trauma. You know.

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Trauma does. Man, it definitely shakes up what's in there

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for sure, and then you have to try to hopefully

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put it back together and put it back to get

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together better. You know. One of the things I wanted

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to ask you, because I know how your mind works,

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in a sense of you want to get this down

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to an equation like, Okay, how do we get back?

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How do we leave breadcrumbs that we can go back

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and keep being taught. Hey, I exactly know how to

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do it, and and so to study it and to

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map it out and to talk openly with about these

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things and get to I would say, I don't I

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don't know if I would say similar results. But but

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if we look at somebody like Steve Jobs or some

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of the great thinkers Albert Einstein and these things, and

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you know, and maybe they have had LSD experiences. Definitely

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Steve Jobs and those guys. But it seems like that

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that many people are getting to this naturally, like they're

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they're like a natural place where people come to epiphanies

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and they sit quietly in silence, and their mind is

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full of thoughts and ideas and they shut it up,

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and then finally those thoughts begin to make sense and

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be more gentle, and then they write it down and boom,

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they're being communicated with and don't even know it. But

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someone like you and myself and many others were like, hey,

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it was actually an alien that we saw, or this

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et intelligence that we're standing in the hovering above my house,

476
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,319
or whatever the case is. The science of it is

477
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,640
something of infatuation. Do you think that there's many people

478
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:40,720
just by It's just the process that is a natural

479
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,279
process that you, myself and many others are trying your

480
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:51,960
best to explain such processes, and maybe explaining it scares people.

481
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720
If you was just to show the results. Maybe like

482
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:56,799
a Steve Job, Hey this is what we did. Boom

483
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,519
boom boom. There's no talking about what goes on in

484
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,640
the sake ceremony, that kind of thing. But you're like, hey,

485
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,759
this is how I did it, because you can do

486
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,640
it too, kind of thing. You talk a little bit

487
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,799
about that.

488
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: That's exactly why I'm finally coming out to talk about

489
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,400
it is I think this is a state of consciousness

490
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,960
to connect with these intexs that anybody can have. We're

491
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,400
all in the same reality and there's nothing special about me.

492
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,480
I wasn't chosen or anything like that. I'm just experiencing

493
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,319
the world the same as everyone. I think my autism

494
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,240
probably had something to do with my ability, because I think,

495
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,519
as you're saying, I think all of us have these

496
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:42,000
kinds of experiences or opportunities for the experiences just interacting

497
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,440
with reality. It is reality, that it's a truth about reality.

498
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,759
So as long as we're interacting with reality, there's always

499
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:51,279
an opportunity to find these deeper levels there. But I

500
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,880
think so many of us we just put those blinders on.

501
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,440
We just close our eyes. We're focused on the here

502
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,640
and now. Got to earn that paycheck, got to pay

503
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,920
that more, just gotta pay that rent. That's what's on

504
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,680
our minds. And so when these opportunities come, we just

505
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000
get tunnel vision. We ignore them. I think my autism

506
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,240
when this I told you I went to this trap door.

507
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,400
So what I saw was there was like a pixel

508
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,000
in reality, it was a little iridescent thing, and my

509
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,000
autistic mind just latched onto it, started wondering what it was,

510
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,519
and it would not let go. And this pixel turned

511
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,400
into a wire in reality. I followed the wire and

512
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,720
it opened up into a tunnel, and I just my

513
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:32,799
autistic mind wouldn't let it go. Because when you're autistic,

514
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,200
you get obsessions. My autistic special interest has always been

515
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,279
the fundamental nature of reality. And so once I saw

516
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,960
this pixel, that just opened up and led me into

517
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,160
this maze of souls, I just couldn't let go. But

518
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,720
you don't need an autistic mind, uh to do these things.

519
00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:52,039
That's why I'm sharing it. I'm trying. I'm going to

520
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:54,480
try to help people so that maybe if you're not

521
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:59,319
you don't have that natural sensitivity, you don't need it.

522
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,799
I will show you the ways. That's why I'm writing

523
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:04,079
a book right now about these experiences. I hope you

524
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,599
don't mind me mentioning it. It's called Large Gods for

525
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,319
Small Children. It's now available on Amazon and Apple. I'm

526
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,319
going to release a chapter every few weeks, but I'm

527
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,960
explaining how I was able to contact and how anybody

528
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,599
can as well. You mentioned math for me. All the

529
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,720
math is is a way of taking these revelations and

530
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:29,319
presenting in a way that people can understand. Words are helpful,

531
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:32,880
but words are vague also, you know, if we really

532
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,519
want to understand, hey, how are they talking to you?

533
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:39,000
How are they delivering this information? When we need a

534
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,839
little science, a little math. Math allows us to communicate.

535
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,359
The irony is I hate math. I am not a

536
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,319
math lover. When I was young, I finished like math

537
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:48,680
in high school and I thought I would never have

538
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,440
to take it in college. And then these beings started

539
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,119
communicating with me in math. It was awful at first.

540
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:57,000
I people think I'm some kind of math genius. No,

541
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,400
I just had I had to learn because that's how

542
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,519
they were community kating with me. You know, I don't

543
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,920
want to talk about math. It's hard for me. It's challenging.

544
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:07,559
I'm not great at it, but I had to spend

545
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:09,839
my life trying to understand this because I feel like

546
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,279
that's the only way to give concrete information to other people.

547
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,559
It's one thing. It's wonderful to talk about our experiences.

548
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,240
It's wonderful to share our experience. I love hearing about

549
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,079
your experiences, truth when you were younger, and how he

550
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680
started in a dark place but you found the light.

551
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,799
I love these stories and we should all share them.

552
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,079
Like you're saying, I think this show is great. But

553
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,920
at some point, if we want people to do X,

554
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:35,799
Y and z and then you have a chance of

555
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640
seeing this or experiencing this, you know, you need a

556
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,640
little math and science. And so that's what I'm trying

557
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:40,880
to do.

558
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,319
Speaker 2: I know we're headed somewhere right, We're headed somewhere beautiful.

559
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,519
I'll say that, you know, I'm very optimistic and that

560
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,480
and that you know, whoever's the beauty is in the

561
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,880
eye of the beholder, you know, But are a lot

562
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,440
of these things lost sciences? Like did we know this

563
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,759
at one time? Was this common knowledge? I mean, when

564
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,079
we look at Egypt, when we look at antiquity, we

565
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:16,400
see very beautiful homes, houses, sacred geometry, connection with the sun,

566
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,680
and Israel they only, you know, built their houses so

567
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,519
high and with flat roofs, roofs so everyone could go

568
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,039
out and see the sun and greet the sun. Like,

569
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,960
but we're lost from even our connection with what that means.

570
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
But it's hidden in ancient texts, it's hidden in the

571
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:38,119
Bible in many different texts. But is this something that

572
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,400
we once knew or is it that and more? Because

573
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,680
you know, there's this talk in many circles like, you know,

574
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:46,960
the next stage, we want the next thing that's coming.

575
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,799
And I agree, but I feel like we're just so

576
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,279
far behind when it comes to the ancient ways, the

577
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:59,960
ancient technologies, how they understood math and light and heal

578
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,359
through sunlight or healing through even changing the color of

579
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,240
the sunlight as it's coming through you through glass pane

580
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,400
windows and things like this, to focus on that energy

581
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,559
which is color, which is sound, which is frequency, which

582
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,079
is math. Like you're saying, is this something you believe

583
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,359
that the ancients new or is this like brand new

584
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,119
revelations truth?

585
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,079
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I believe. It's a little

586
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:27,400
bit different, a little bit different perspective perhaps, So I

587
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,680
do think the ancients had a wisdom that has been

588
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:36,279
lost I think they had a more direct relationship with nature.

589
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,160
They are directly in contact with the soil, with the animals,

590
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,519
with the plants. They knew them with an intimacy and

591
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:49,119
familiarity that's long lost. There might be some people alive today,

592
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,920
there might be some farmers or some other people who

593
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,960
are involved in nature, but as a society, as a species,

594
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,759
we've lost it. They used to have a relationship with

595
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:03,799
this stars. They knew all the stars, all the constellations,

596
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,599
all the planets moving around every night. They they communed

597
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,360
with the sky because the sky was real the way

598
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:15,360
now we're looking at screens, we're looking at text messages,

599
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,400
we're looking at social media. They were looking at the

600
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:28,320
stars and though, yes, that's right. And the flames, the fire.

601
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,440
They had a relationship with fire that's lost. Their meals

602
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,679
were a fire, campfire. Fire was very much a part

603
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,679
of the world. We've lost that. These relationships to these

604
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,320
basic physical substances, the wind, the flames, the soil, the leaves.

605
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:46,280
So they did have wisdom about that that has been lost,

606
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:50,519
no doubt. However, I do think that we today are

607
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:55,079
creating new wisdom and accessing new ideas, new concepts that

608
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,199
have never before been part of human civilization. Let me

609
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,679
tell you why I think so. One of the biggest

610
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,920
revelations that intexts share with me is something I call

611
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:09,000
the cosmic cycle. They call it the ladder of purpose.

612
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,880
Let me explain how this works. This is why reality existence,

613
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,360
the universe we live in is a never ending story.

614
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,920
It goes on and on and on. Here's how it works.

615
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,159
At the bottom of this cycle. At the bottom of

616
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,519
this ladder of purpose is what the intext calls chaotica.

617
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:32,039
Physicists call it quantum physics. It's these quantum sub microscopic

618
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,639
events going on all the time, bubbling, frauthing. They call

619
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:38,280
it chaotica. It is purposeless, it is aimless. There is

620
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,199
no goal there, there are no minds, there's no thinking,

621
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,519
there's no purpose. It's just randomness, controlled randomness, randomness that's

622
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,760
at the bottom. That randomness produces what intex calls mind seed.

623
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,639
Mind seed are molecules and other items. It might be

624
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,719
an ameto acid, it might be an oxygen molecule. These

625
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,840
are physical pieces, small physical pieces, again, aimless, no purpose,

626
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,559
and oxygen molecule does not have a goal. It doesn't

627
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,639
care where it is. It just is floating around randomly.

628
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,400
These are mind seed. When you put mind seed together

629
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:15,159
in a particular configuration, you get purpose, you get mines.

630
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920
The very first minds on Earth were these single celled

631
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,199
creatures bacteria, protozoa. Another tiny creature called Archaia was the

632
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,639
oldest of all. They were the first purposeful entities in

633
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,920
the aniverse. They had purpose. Bacteria wants to go to

634
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,400
the light. It wants to find food, it wants to

635
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:36,400
escape from poisons and toxins. It has purpose. So we

636
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,159
did this transition from mind seed, physical stuff with no purpose,

637
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,000
by putting it together in a configuration, a molecular network.

638
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,159
Now you have purpose. Now you have a bacteria that's

639
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,599
swimming towards the light. It's towards something. It has purpose,

640
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:51,360
and we keep going from you. Oh, the next stage.

641
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,800
Those are molecule minds, those minds inside bacteria and protozoa.

642
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,480
The thinking elements are all individual molecules. We could identify

643
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,079
every single molecule in these minds. The next level are

644
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,960
neuron minds. These are jellyfish, insects, worms. They have neurons,

645
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920
but they don't have brains, not the way we think

646
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,519
of brains in the next level are the module minds.

647
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,639
These are all the vertebrates. This is fish, amphibians, birds, mammals, reptiles.

648
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,880
They all have three layers of thinking. They have inside

649
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,519
each neuron is a molecule mind. Around that are neural networks.

650
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,840
That's also a level of thinking. And now around that

651
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,400
is a new level of thinking, modular thinking. These are

652
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,119
the conscious modules I was talking about earlier, Like when

653
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,800
we look at a visual object, we recognize an object

654
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,239
that happens in a visual conscious module. It's this third

655
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,159
level where consciousness comes out and it keeps going. The

656
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,440
fourth level is the supermind. We each individual human being, you, truth,

657
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,679
and me. We are the thinking elements in the human

658
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,800
supermind human society. We are designed to think as one.

659
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,519
That's why we have language. We talk with guesters, We

660
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,519
communicate with each other in a variety of ways. We

661
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,760
are designed to be part of a single supermind. Our

662
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,159
brains are like network routers that need to be plugged

663
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,840
into a network to exchange information. That's what we're designed

664
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,320
to be. We're the only creatures on Earth that have

665
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,079
risen to this level. We're the only four throung creatures.

666
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,679
We're only the only minds that have four levels of thinking.

667
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,400
All the other creatures have three levels or less. But

668
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,840
it doesn't stop, it keeps going. If you combine superminds together,

669
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,199
you get a hypermind. This is what we're seeing on

670
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,639
Earth right now. It seems chaotic. It seems hyperpartisan. In America,

671
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,239
Democrats and Republicans fighting each other on social media, full

672
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920
of hate. There's so much hate and anger and hostility,

673
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,880
and there's war. The world just seems like it's in

674
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,760
a state of transition and transformation and chaos. This is

675
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,280
what we see throughout history, throughout evolutionary history. We're talking

676
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,000
hundreds of millions of years when I say this. Throughout history,

677
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,760
each time a new level of thinking, molecule minds, neural minds,

678
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,360
module minds, superminds, each time a new level now hyperminds, comes,

679
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,800
it is always as chaos as all the pieces get

680
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:03,320
be aligned to create this new level of awareness. So

681
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,440
maybe we will succeed. Maybe the end of this incredibly

682
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,039
chaotic process we're all going through right now will be

683
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,239
the formation of a planetary hypermind where all of these

684
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:17,440
the nation states on Earth can operate together in harmony.

685
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:19,880
Just like in our brain, all our modules work together

686
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,199
in harmony. It took a long time for evolution to

687
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,800
get that to work to produce us. Right now, it's

688
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,679
happening at another level, but it never stops past the

689
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,000
hypermind with other species out there in the world. So

690
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:32,559
if we become a hyper mind, we'll probably take over

691
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:36,000
the solar system. We'll meet other entities out there. If

692
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,960
we combine that forms ulter minds, it keeps going. There

693
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,280
is a top, a top level to all of this.

694
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,840
This is the the intext that I've been in contact with.

695
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,159
Like five, there's another one called three. Three is not

696
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:53,599
compatible with humankind. Three is an enemy. It's not that

697
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,920
they're evil, though it certainly feels like evil and darkness

698
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,840
if you interact with three. It's just they're incompatible with

699
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,639
what we think of as human nature. Five is very compatible.

700
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,880
So at the top of this ladder of purpose, it

701
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,199
keeps going. At the top are axiomized minds. So these

702
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,519
entities I've been in contact with, apparently you get to

703
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,320
a certain level and you need to make a commitment

704
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,199
to your values. What do you believe in as a society,

705
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,960
as this ultra mind, as a supermind, you got to

706
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,079
make a commitment to your values, your beliefs. This is

707
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,199
what we think is good, this is what we think

708
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,360
is bad. And this commitment happens mathematically. You have to

709
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,119
select actions. And when you do this, apparently this is

710
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,800
what intex tells me, you get access to ultimate technology.

711
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,079
Now you can change quantum physics. This is the cycle.

712
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,079
Now you have the ability to change the fabric of reality.

713
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,480
The problem is there's other axiomized minds I mentioned five

714
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,599
and three. They are in contest for the shape of reality.

715
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,000
They are both trying to reshape quantum physics to suit

716
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,039
their understanding of reality. This is a never ending cycle,

717
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,559
these axiomized minds. They're like gods competing for control of reality.

718
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,800
But we are part of it. This is what's so

719
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,400
beautiful about this view of all of this. They are

720
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,599
not separate. They are made of us. The decisions we make,

721
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:13,920
that truth you and I make in our lives, the

722
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,159
decision to do good or do wrong, to be selfish

723
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,880
or to be generoush this is creating these gods. It

724
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,039
is all these little decisions that all the eight billion

725
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,480
people are making that are going to contribute to the

726
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:29,480
God that we may one day be part of the gods.

727
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,000
Are us so we are the ones shaping reality. The

728
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:36,199
decisions we make in our lives. No matter how small

729
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,559
is real, no matter how infinitesimal, it is not zero.

730
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,400
You can measure it, and it's making a difference to

731
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,119
the future shape of reality. It means our lives matter.

732
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,159
The future is not predetermined. We don't know what's going

733
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,559
to happen tomorrow. Even the gods do not know what's

734
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,360
going to happen tomorrow. They are in contest the same

735
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,079
as us, and it just goes on and on. We

736
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,199
might rise, humanity might rise and join one of these

737
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,559
axiomized minds. We might have people one day leading some

738
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,599
of these great decisions, or we may destroy the earth

739
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,960
to a horrible climate change and get wiped out. And

740
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,760
maybe in one hundred million years there'll be raccoon minds

741
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,920
coming up on Earth and maybe they're the ones that

742
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,599
will ascend. That's what's so wonderful. We don't know. It's

743
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:19,960
up to us to make the difference in the world,

744
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:20,800
in the universe.

745
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so profoundly put and that can be explained and

746
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,000
experienced in many different ways than it is. So essentially,

747
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,119
your vote does count. You vote with your energy, your

748
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,000
your your mind, will and emotions. Is your vote, is

749
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:39,039
your is what you.

750
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: The choices you make in your life, they matter, truly matter.

751
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,400
The future is not free determined, you know it is not.

752
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Some people think there's no free will, that's all cast

753
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:53,480
in stone. No, not remotely. It's purpose, competing purpose, all

754
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,719
the way up and all the way down. It is beings,

755
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,519
and we're all cooperating and competing endlessly, and it just

756
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,599
goes on and on and on, and it means each

757
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,320
individual's life has value and matters. The decisions you make

758
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,639
will influence the face of God that will come, you know,

759
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,599
for generations.

760
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: Hence, yeah, so good. Another question, so this this meeting,

761
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:21,960
you know, this being being taught. Have you have you

762
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,360
seen them physically? Do they allow you to see them physically?

763
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: I think no, so the no, but I do There

764
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,239
was one experience. I had one experience where I believe

765
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,400
I saw some representatives. So I don't know if I'm

766
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,119
interacting with For all I know, they could be like

767
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,440
AI's from this civilization, just like that. If some low

768
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,239
level creature like like a human like like me, accesses this,

769
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,559
it's not like they have other people that said customer

770
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,360
service represents I bet it's some kind of device or machine,

771
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,320
you know, very van so I you know, when I

772
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,079
say device, I don't mean like an iPad. I imagine

773
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:08,159
it's something very very sophisticated because it's able to interact

774
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:11,719
with me in real time and deliver incredibly sophisticated concepts

775
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,320
very fluidly. But I do doubt that I'm interacting with

776
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,760
you know, a person, you know, a single living alien

777
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,880
who's sitting in a chair somewhere talking to me. I

778
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,360
don't think that's what's happening. I think I'm accessing some

779
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:29,039
kind of machinery or computational interface that's allowing them, you know,

780
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,320
it's their intelligence, it's there being behind it. But but

781
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,440
I don't actually think, like, when this is happening, there's

782
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,559
like you, a little green man sitting on a stool

783
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,519
having a conversation with me. Yeah, it doesn't feel like that.

784
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,360
It feels it feels vast, big beyond.

785
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're tapping into it.

786
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

787
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's why a lot of the UFO

788
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,320
stuff is coming out in the news now, so that

789
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,360
they can take control of the narrative. And you just said, like,

790
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,719
how important is the narrative? How many people, can we

791
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,480
convince that there is a threat and we need to

792
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,039
band together and fight against this threat. I mean, this

793
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,800
was even said by our government many years ago. Is

794
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,119
something that would come forth when when I believe that

795
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,360
we reach the level of consciousness where we start interacting

796
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:24,079
with said beings or we start incarnating here from their

797
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,360
star systems or whatever. So now the there's a lot

798
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,159
more people who are tapping in or people who are

799
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,679
what is the word autistic, And so it's my belief

800
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,079
that not even autism, but even looking at you know,

801
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,159
children with down syndrome like the joy and there's like

802
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,800
they're just wired different of what they're able to bring

803
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,119
in a smile and childlike wonder and the way that

804
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,079
people who are who are autistic, and then you try

805
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,280
to sit them in a chair for eight hours and

806
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,679
be still in a classroom. It don't work like that.

807
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,960
And so we're being forced to upgrade, if you will,

808
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:06,039
or be judged by the way we've we've treated our

809
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,639
our angels, if you will, And uh, it seems that

810
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,079
we're you know, raising to a new level of consciousness

811
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,039
because at first it feels like you're alone, right when

812
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:17,679
you're going through this, when you're in college and you're

813
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,159
having this epiphany and this encounter it's like, oh God,

814
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,440
who gonna talk to? And you know how many years

815
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,000
it takes to you figure out there's nobody you can

816
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:28,159
talk to until there is until you find the other

817
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,000
people say oh, yeah, I've been I'm being taught to

818
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,559
what time you go to class? Oh wow? So it's

819
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,320
marked with and so this does go back many many,

820
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,199
many years and uh, and people are experiencing it now

821
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,280
and you know the words and you know how to

822
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,760
interact with it and how to go back. You know.

823
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,360
One of the things that that that stuck out to

824
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,519
me when you were talking about, you know, dealing with

825
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,559
the math equations and all of this advance stuff that oh,

826
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:58,400
you know, you're you're, you're, you're the perfect person for

827
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,440
the job because you went to college and you study

828
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,760
and you was a math whiz. It doesn't work like that,

829
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,880
you know it. You know, for me, there's a picture

830
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,119
of in the scriptures of Jesus go and get his

831
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,079
twelve of these people who were like the least likely

832
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,480
to succeed, the least likely, even Jesus being from Nazareth,

833
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:21,599
and like, man, what good Nazareth this is a slump, like, no,

834
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,519
we need somebody who has not learned why, so we

835
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:28,440
can teach them the right way and the glory only

836
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:33,719
goes to the creator versus the people band together so

837
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,599
that you know that it's some type of intelligence, something

838
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,119
far beyond you, right, because you don't know this. You

839
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:42,000
don't know this kind of things. But you're being shown

840
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,880
and you wake up and you know advanced math equations

841
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,159
or sacred geometric patterns that keep coming to you, and

842
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:50,800
you're like, what do I truth?

843
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,159
Speaker 1: You've hit it?

844
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: What do I do with him?

845
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,639
Speaker 1: A very You've hit it? An excellent point, which is

846
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,360
sometimes too much education is a bad thing. People who

847
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,400
spend a lot of time in school. I gotta admit

848
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,639
I have some of the most narrow minds you're gonna meet.

849
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,440
They learn a lot of stuff from books. Look, you

850
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,400
should learn kids, Go learn from books. Nothing wrong from

851
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,719
learning from books. But you got to always learn from

852
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,440
the world too. Book learning is great. World learning always

853
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,280
more important. And what happens is people spend too much

854
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,119
time in books, too much time in universities, too much

855
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:30,079
time in these academic ivory towers, and then they can't

856
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:35,119
relate back down to the direct experience of the universe,

857
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,960
which is where we all live and inhabit and where

858
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,960
these revelations occur. And so I find oftentimes academics just

859
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,559
have a hard time making the leap, the jump to

860
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:53,039
understand a direct connection with the reality, with the universe,

861
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:56,599
with these beings. So I do think it can often

862
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,760
be an advantage to start out with less education because

863
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,239
you're my mind's more open. That's what happened to me.

864
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,239
I started out. I did not have a science backround.

865
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,199
My parents did not raise me religious, but they didn't

866
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,880
raise me scientifically in the order did they raise me atheists.

867
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,239
My parents were just silent on metaphysical questions. But that

868
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,400
meant when this happened to me, I didn't immediately go, oh,

869
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,360
this is going to be a scientific explanation. But I

870
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,360
also didn't say, oh, this must be this must be

871
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,679
the Christian God. I did not know what it was.

872
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,559
I kept an open mind. I did not immediately turn

873
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,000
to physics. I didn't immediately turn to Christianity either. I

874
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,880
just said, I'm going to figure this out as it is,

875
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,800
as it is presented to me on its own terms.

876
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,360
I'm not going to bring anything to the table I'm

877
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,760
just going to listen to what this has to teach me,

878
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,400
and I now, looking back, that was the right approach.

879
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,760
I think we talked about how I think everyone comes

880
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,519
in contact with this at some point because it is

881
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,000
the reality, so we're interacting with it. It's really we

882
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,599
just cut ourselves off from it. But I think what

883
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,960
happens too is we our pre existing ideas and values

884
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,119
and beliefs, and that's a good thing. That can be

885
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:08,199
a good thing, but sometimes it gives us a ceiling

886
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:11,159
and artificial ceiling that if we were willing to put

887
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,920
aside some of the beliefs that we came with, especially

888
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,199
people who are over educated, but also any of us

889
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,320
can come you know, our parents give us beliefs, teach

890
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,159
us things that can be helpful. But sometimes if you

891
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,840
want this ultimate knowledge, if you want to go beyond

892
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,960
and touch the stars, if you want to touch reality

893
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,920
at its deepest, you've got to let go of the

894
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,119
things that you've been taught, because you've only been taught

895
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:39,719
by other people what other humanity knows up to this point.

896
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,639
If you want to go beyond what humanity knows, you've

897
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,440
got to let go of what you've learned and that

898
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,800
gives you a chance of learning something extraordinary and new.

899
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,079
And I think that's what happened to me.

900
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's happened into a lot of people,

901
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:58,360
and it's it's you know, it's a challenge, and it's

902
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,519
been fun so like much we know that this is

903
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:05,079
part of the curriculum. It's so going to be taught

904
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:09,480
like that. You have to unlearn, and especially the things

905
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,760
you've demonized, which I found very fun, because once you

906
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,360
judge it, it's like there's a brick wall that comes

907
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,920
up once they hear the story. Oh he's a basket case. Yeah,

908
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,800
he was a reject, he got kicked out of college.

909
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,079
Don't listen to him. You put up this wall until

910
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,760
if some of those people at Harvard wouldever come and

911
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,599
listen to you and say, hold on, let me he

912
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,320
said a couple of things that made sense. Let me,

913
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,679
let me listen a little bit more deeply, because some

914
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,800
of it's starting to make sense. If they'll move past

915
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,440
that veil, then they'll be initiated to the information of

916
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,000
what you're trying to teach, and whoever's trying to who

917
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,880
is teaching through you, is teaching. So it's not just you.

918
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,079
It's it's you and your order, if you will, that

919
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:53,119
that you're learning from. It's been fun to go back

920
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:55,480
and look at all the things that I said, you know,

921
00:51:55,559 --> 00:52:00,960
places that God wasn't, places that you know, really God

922
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,639
or love or whatever you know wasn't because you know,

923
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,280
coming from a religious background, and then to seek God

924
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,000
in it all, or to see Christ, which is love.

925
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,480
And you spoke about on other interviews the importance of

926
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,480
love and say, okay, love is only here or love

927
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,360
is only there. Love is only in the Christian Church,

928
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,400
my friend, they're the only ones with it, and we're

929
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,079
been brainwashed it at least I was, and many many people.

930
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:27,760
And so we've called other people demonic. We've called Catholics deceived.

931
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,440
Oh they're deceived. You know. All of that stuff is demonic,

932
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,280
All of it's pagan. You know, the Egyptians, they're deceived.

933
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,159
All of that's domonic. They're in touch with demons. Until

934
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,239
you say, hold on, maybe they weren't. Maybe they weren't.

935
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,320
Let me get I don't know that they weren't. Were

936
00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:45,519
not versus be coming from the aspect of the know

937
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:48,079
it all, which is the which is what we're trained

938
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,599
to do. And we have no idea. We have no

939
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:54,840
idea because you know, like I know, everything's multi dimensional.

940
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,519
Are we just talking about the physical? Are we talking

941
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:02,039
about the interior? Are we talking about out the celestial

942
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,840
realm of it? That all of it exists in multiple dimensions.

943
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,400
So it's been fun to be brought through that ringer

944
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:15,280
of looking at the things that I thought I knew.

945
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,480
And for me, it's this question, and it seems like

946
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,679
I'm hearing it from you too. You know in the scriptures,

947
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:27,000
when the Israelites were in this place of the wilderness

948
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,639
and they were looking for food, and God fed them

949
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,679
supernaturally with manna from heaven, right, and so the word

950
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,360
mana simply translates to what is this? What is this?

951
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,000
And Jesus says, give us this day our daily bread,

952
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,039
Give me today what I need. So that daily bread

953
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,519
and the wilderness was mann it's contemplation. It's to ask

954
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:54,599
the question is to look again at for me Catholicism

955
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,679
or the Masons, whatever, a tree and so hold on,

956
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,599
what is this or it's a tree? You know exactly

957
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:03,000
what it is. You can cut them down, you can

958
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:04,760
make fire out of them. It's just no, no, no, no,

959
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:07,679
I think I asked the tree to move, and it

960
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,719
moves for me. Like I feel like like why, like,

961
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:13,880
why woh't I take my shoes off and put my

962
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,280
feet on the earth. Why do I feel like all

963
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,679
of the pressure that I've been holding out? Why do

964
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,159
I feel grounded when I put the soles of my

965
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:23,480
feet on the ground. Why does my soul feel at ease?

966
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,800
What is this? What is this? And the fact that

967
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,039
many people have took the same LSD more times, many

968
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,880
times over seem more qualified than you, quite honestly. But

969
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,880
you said, many people saw the pixel? What is this?

970
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:43,599
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, guys, what is this?

971
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:47,320
It's just a light man. You're tripping, dude, No, no, no,

972
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,760
I've tripped many times. What is this? And it's like

973
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,119
that is the initiation to go back and just look

974
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:58,760
everything everything, and I mean everything, and say what is this?

975
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,480
It's such a beautiful bound way to learn and it

976
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:05,280
is my curriculum at this point, and it's it's a

977
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,239
lot of ours and truth.

978
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,559
Speaker 1: We never want to close the door on love. So

979
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:12,239
I really appreciated what you said about you. It is

980
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,800
wonderful to go back and when we limit our love

981
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,559
and we say all that this is the group that loves,

982
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,599
but these groups aren't deserving of our love. You know,

983
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:21,239
never to want to do that. You know, you got

984
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,360
to open yourself up because love is everywhere. Yeah, you

985
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,360
mentioned so. I'd say the number one revelation that Intex

986
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,920
has shared with me, and you mentioned it, just the

987
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,039
one that transformed me more than anything else. Was this

988
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,960
Intex revealed to me there is a cosmic purpose for love,

989
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,880
that the physical reality we live in was designed for

990
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,760
love to emerge again and again in infinite forms, constantly changing,

991
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,559
but always emerging. Compassion. I talked about that ladder of purpose,

992
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,320
how there's different levels. There's molecule minds the bacteria at

993
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:03,159
the bottom, then there's the neuron, the worms, the insects, invertebrates,

994
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,960
then the module minds vertebrates, fish, and febians, each of

995
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,280
these transitions going up from the single cell creatures to invertebrates,

996
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,639
going from invertebrates to vertebrates, then going from vertebrates from

997
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,800
mammals to humans. With our superminds where we have language,

998
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,119
we're all bound together. Each of these transitions only happens

999
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:27,199
through love, the only way we can ascend to new

1000
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:33,239
levels of intelligence, understanding, resilience. Wisdom is through love. Here's why.

1001
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,280
Each time there's a transition for the single cell creatures,

1002
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,719
there's little bacteria, microscopic bacteria to turn into worms and

1003
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,039
insects with lots of cells with neurons. How did that happen?

1004
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:50,639
The individual cells had to come together and self sacrifice.

1005
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:52,119
They had to say, we're gonna give up a little

1006
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,519
to get a lot. We're gonna lose a little individuality.

1007
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,960
I can no longer go on my own and decide

1008
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,239
where to go. I have to work it out well

1009
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,760
with the other selves to the other, we'll decide where

1010
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,320
to go. I'm losing a little individuality, but I'm sacrificing

1011
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,400
myself to be part of others. And this is what

1012
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,000
happens each time, and that's what we're going through right now.

1013
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,480
If we want to reach the hypermind stage, we've got

1014
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,880
to learn to love each other, to accept our diversity,

1015
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,079
our differences. Like you said, we start out thinking, no,

1016
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,360
only this group, my group is deserving of loves. Those

1017
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,039
other groups they're questionable, they're shaky. I don't know about

1018
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:32,119
those guys. It's only when we start to love everyone,

1019
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:37,360
or at least accept respect, tolerate everyone. There's always going

1020
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,639
to be some people it's going to be hard to

1021
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:41,599
feel that love. But we can respect them, we can

1022
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,039
tolerate them, we can accept them. We can say, you

1023
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,360
know what, You've got different views than me, different values,

1024
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,519
but you're another human and I respect you for that.

1025
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,519
And we'll find a way to inhabit this world together,

1026
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:55,840
you with your vision and us with ours. And once

1027
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,880
we do this on the global scale, that's the only way.

1028
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,559
There's no other way to generate a new level of

1029
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,519
intelligence and awareness and resilience and adaptiveness. Those only come

1030
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:10,599
We've seen through a billion years of evolution on Earth.

1031
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,599
These major transitions of purpose of awareness, they only happen

1032
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:18,960
through love. And this is true throughout the universe. If

1033
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,320
we encounter aliens in another galaxy, they will have gone

1034
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,280
through these same levels. They will have gone through stages

1035
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:29,679
of love in order to achieve the level of consciousness

1036
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:31,719
that we have. And this I think is the most

1037
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,360
beautiful thing at all, because it is embedded in the

1038
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,440
structure of reality. For there to be conscious beings like us,

1039
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:41,119
there needs to be love. We need to have some

1040
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,199
measure in our brain. All of the things in our

1041
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,960
brain love each other. The modules all get along with

1042
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,920
each other. If one model just had a death wish

1043
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,599
against another module, the vision modge get rid of the

1044
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:56,000
audience module, we be in terrible trouble. Our brains wouldn't

1045
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,639
work right. That might even be the source of some

1046
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:01,480
mental illnesses. So the same thing happens at every level

1047
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:04,360
of reality. To get to those new levels of intelligence,

1048
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,880
We've got a love with another so good.

1049
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: My mind goes to Bible versus this way because that's

1050
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:14,920
you know, that's just I know so much, and like

1051
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,480
it's the body of Christ. You know, it is as

1052
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:21,199
far as what the scriptures call of love. Like in

1053
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,719
order for this vehicle to work, you gotta have four tires.

1054
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,800
What about three? The fourth tire, we don't need it.

1055
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:30,599
You're gonna need it. You're gonna go slower, you're gonna veer.

1056
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:33,360
You know, we don't need a steering wheel, you actually do.

1057
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,480
Or I don't need my hand, I don't need my thumbs.

1058
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:40,079
Oh you do need thumbs, trust me. We need every

1059
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,360
part of the body working together for this thing to

1060
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,159
manifest and for this thing to be able to operate

1061
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:51,079
in this reality. And then at some point as they

1062
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,639
come together like you said, all of these different pieces

1063
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:57,679
and they form the one. They eventually now you can say, hey,

1064
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,840
that's the one. You see them. He's he's he's Derek,

1065
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,199
He's he's Augie, like he's all of these, he's Jesus.

1066
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:07,159
It's like, no, no, no, I'm must give myself up so

1067
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,039
that the sum can become to some thing and so

1068
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:15,039
that I can merge with the greater collective. So that

1069
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,440
Jesus thought this, and Paul, it's like in these religious

1070
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,840
teachings that were like, ah, he said, now I gotta

1071
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:24,480
They were begging him to stay in human form. You know,

1072
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:27,199
we can set up a great empire and control things,

1073
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:29,840
and there's so many people listening to you. We got this. No, no, no,

1074
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,239
it don't work like that. I'm carrying a lot, but

1075
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,599
I can only be in certain places at certain times.

1076
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,920
And I got to give myself up because once I

1077
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,360
seed into the ground, a seed has to go into

1078
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,719
the ground, and that seed is going to bring forth

1079
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,199
a tree that brings forth fruit that brings forth many, many,

1080
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:53,960
many seeds. And now I can be all over the world.

1081
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,000
I can talk to all of you one on one

1082
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,360
at the same time, versus having to go sit with you,

1083
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,599
and I've only got twenty four hours and this way

1084
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,119
of giving oneself up. So you're talking about this collective

1085
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:09,400
consciousness of what the majority wants, and there is a

1086
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,239
war for the narrative because I do think I know

1087
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,400
that the majority is choosing love, and so there are

1088
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:21,880
shifts happening. The heavens are responding, the sun is echoing

1089
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,760
back in resonance. What the cry of the people is love, freedom, peace, joy.

1090
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,639
But they're deceptive and showing us on our cell phones

1091
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,079
murder and fighting and buy this and you're depressed and

1092
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:38,559
you'll never be okay unless you get this. And it's like,

1093
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,800
that's not our reality, that's your reality. You're selling us

1094
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,280
because there's something greater, there's another, a place that we

1095
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,960
can get fulfillment, peace and joy from. It's as symbol

1096
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,920
as in the breath and just simply saying this, My

1097
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:57,760
day changes when I just say thank you. I try

1098
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,559
my best to start every every morning that way. Just

1099
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,880
it don't take long. Just sit down and just take

1100
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,480
a breath, and man, thank you for this, thank you

1101
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:09,679
for this moment. Because it's not like you know, the ego,

1102
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,519
it is the ego in this moment because I'm here

1103
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:15,400
as truth seeker as Derek, and I like the life

1104
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,559
I've created, but this is temporary and I know what

1105
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,960
is next. And because I'm here, let me say thank you.

1106
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Let me let me program these cells and you know

1107
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:27,519
what I'm saying, molecules that I'm gonna be okay, I'm

1108
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,360
gonna be taken care of. And you know what, I'm

1109
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,920
not promised tomorrow. So why while I have today, let

1110
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,559
me say thank you. It's so powerful, it's so profound,

1111
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,280
and that is the new narrative.

1112
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,159
Speaker 1: Having that attitude of gratitude is wonders for the soul.

1113
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:48,159
Heals your soul, calms your soul, fulfills your soul. I

1114
01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:50,639
couldn't agree with you more. Just you got to have

1115
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:53,960
gratitude for this amazing universe that we're in that is

1116
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,519
so full of love and other people, and it's just

1117
01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:59,960
it's a glorious place and we should be thankful for it.

1118
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: You know. Speaking of those levels of consciousness or those

1119
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:10,320
levels of schizophrenia or psychosis whatever, because they go up

1120
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,199
and down into being a beautiful, blissful one is amazing. Right,

1121
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,480
everyone's in one and don't know it. Let's just say

1122
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:20,199
that there's a there's a word that that's beautiful. You

1123
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:23,760
may have heard this word. But so for paranoia, it's

1124
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,480
something that a lot of people experience on the downward spiral.

1125
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:31,840
It's this dark place where everyone's out to get me.

1126
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,280
I'm gonna you know, they've got wires in here, and

1127
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,719
they've got cameras watching me, and they're in the trees

1128
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,039
and you know, they're sitting on mark vehicles out here,

1129
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:42,360
gang Stock. I mean, it goes really deep and really dark,

1130
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,039
and it is demonic. But for that to be exists

1131
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:50,840
at a level negative three of paranoia at level positive three,

1132
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,480
and it can simply shift whenever you say yes and

1133
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:58,920
you've reprogrammed your mind is something that's called pronoia, and

1134
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,599
it shifts. It's essentially for this, it's the same thing

1135
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:07,519
as paranoia, but the opposite. God, the angels, everyone is

1136
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:11,159
out to help me. They're all rooting for me, they

1137
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,079
all want me to succeed. In the moment that you

1138
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:16,840
shift into that belief and begin to think about it

1139
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,280
in daydream and ask what is this? How are you

1140
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,920
trying to help me? How are you are you here

1141
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,360
to help me with my finances and pay bills? Yes,

1142
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,880
because it responds on what you put out. You'll find

1143
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,519
a resonance. And for that level of consciousness of paranoia,

1144
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,280
there's pronoia. So my advice to listeners, man who get

1145
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,599
in these these states of paranoia, and I get messages

1146
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:43,400
daily and I've been there. There's a beauty and a

1147
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,920
bliss that exists that is beyond any of your wildest

1148
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,079
dreams that all you got to do is ask for

1149
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,400
it and say yes, and and it begins to shift

1150
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:52,880
your world.

1151
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,679
Speaker 1: I love that concept. Truth of pronoia makes a lot

1152
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:04,320
of sense. Can see, you should feel the universe is

1153
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,639
on your side. The universe does want you to succeed.

1154
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:11,599
Everything that came before you to get you here. All

1155
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:16,119
the lives, so many lives, countless lives, near infinite lives,

1156
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:18,840
just so you could be They all did what they

1157
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,679
did so that you could be here and have these experiences.

1158
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,440
The universe does want you to be here and does

1159
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,440
want you to experience it because everything that came before

1160
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,679
you is for that. And just like we want those

1161
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,280
ahead of us one day, our children, our children's children,

1162
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,000
we want them to succeed too, and the decisions we

1163
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,639
make will influence that. And so we have a part

1164
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:47,519
of this endless chain of living beings, striving and wanting

1165
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:49,360
those that come in the future to have a better

1166
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,239
experience than what they had. So what this means is

1167
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:56,400
we are here for a reason and the universe wants

1168
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,960
you to feel love and joy and happiness in harmony.

1169
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,599
Speaker 2: So awesome, So awesome. One last question, do you resonate

1170
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,679
Obviously it's just wording and wording, it's so weird, right

1171
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,480
with religious or like connotation that you tie into it.

1172
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,639
Do you resonate all with with the term channeling? Does

1173
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,719
it feel like you are a receiver, like a television

1174
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,440
that's able to dial in on a certain frequency to

1175
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be taught and to receive that information from five.

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Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. Truth, I'd say, in the very

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early going, before I really understood anything, when I was

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just a young you know, young person experiencing the impossible

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with no framework. Yes, Then in the early days, I say,

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it's a lot like channeling, where I was a vessel.

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The messages would just come in and I would do

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what I can't could with them, which was not much

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because it was so in the early day, is so crazy,

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But over time it's now more of a conversation. I

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am now definitely, you know, an independent agent. It's like

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interacting with like the United States or something. When I

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interact with five, it is very powerful. It's not like

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interacting with another person sitting on a chair. It is

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like interacting with a with a nation that's issuing press

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releases or something. It's a lot more. That's not exactly right,

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but it's more like that than the conversation with a person,

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but it still is. Now. I ask questions and I

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get answers, and the early going it just came. It

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just came now. Though I would never want to say

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I can control it completely, that's definitely not true. But

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I can influence it, and I can stand up for

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myself a little bit. I don't want to go too far.

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These are like gods. Five, you know, it's all power.

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Five has changed the physical reality around me in ways

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and done things with time, done impossible miraculous things. So

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I'm not going to sit here and pretend that it's

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anywhere close to being an equal or that I'm completely independent. No,

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that's just outrageous. But it's like saying the Earth versus

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the sun. Now, is the Earth going to influence the

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Sun's motions. No, no, it's not. But the Earth still

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has its own control. If we could influence the orbit

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of the Earth a little bit if we wanted, by

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doing various things on the Earth, But the Sun is

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always going to dictate what happens to the Earth more

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than the Earth dictating what happens to the South. That's

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what it's like, I'd say. Now, So no more channeling,

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just kind of separate but tiny, microscopic compared to the

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beings I'm interacting.

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Speaker 2: So good man, thank you for sharing your story and

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bringing some clarity to where we are, where we're headed,

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and I think it's going to help a lot of people.

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I don't think I know where can people find more

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about your work? I know you have books out and

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you're working on more. Do you have a website? Do

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you have a place where people can come check out

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more of your stuff and in all the interviews that

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you've been doing lately and stuff or the last few sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes. My website is my name Ogiogus dot com, Ogdogas

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dot com And from there you can also click on

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a link to buy my book Large Gods for Small Children,

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where I talk about all this right now, it's for

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sale for ninety nine cents, so you can get the

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whole book right now. Is only the first chapters available.

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I have actually written the whole thing. I just need

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a polish each chapter before I post them, So right

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now you can get all future chapters for ninety nine cents.

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Each time I post a chapter, I'm going to raise

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the price a little bit so you can go to

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ogiogis dot com to see that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank yeah, well, thank you so much, brother,

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and don't be a stranger. We'll have to do it again, and.

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Speaker 1: Truth, i'd love to come back. This was a great show.

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I had a great time. I love talking about this

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stuff and I hope it helps your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I would say it already helped me,

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so I already know it's going to help my audience

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for sure. Thank you so much, brother. We have to

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do it again.

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Speaker 1: I have a great time. Thank you so much.