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Speaker 1: What is up everybody? Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. We

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are on episode three seventy nine, here creeping up on

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four hundred. Pretty crazy, you know, one of the only shows,

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I think, in the industry, with this many voices, that

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has had this type of longevity. I am here with

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one of the you know, I would say, one of

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the innovators, one of the original innovators here in the hobby,

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the man, the myth, the legend. We have doctor Jim Beckett.

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Doctor Beckett, how you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna do Victor, real innovator there

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as well, and diving deep into rookie cards. But yes,

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I've done a little bit of everything, Adam, thanks for

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the kind words.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely thank you. And then we have another, you know,

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I guess, another man, myth, the legend, one of the

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more knowledgeable people here in this industry, talking about rookie cards,

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the definitions of rookie cards. We got Victor true r

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sees Victor. How you doing today as well?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good man, But don't tell nobody, They'll never

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believe you.

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Speaker 2: They.

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Speaker 1: I want to say hello to everybody in the chat.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: We've got Mad City Brew always always a staple here

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in the chat. We got foul ball, another staple, even

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though maybe a little bit of a maybe likes to

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have fun in the chat a little bit there. We

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got able from Vegas. You know a ton of people. So,

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like I said at the beginning of the shows, I

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always like to see where everybody is watching the show from.

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So if you are watching the show, you know on

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YouTube or I think it's on YouTube. I think we're

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only on YouTube here on the four Collectors channel, make

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sure you drop where you're watching the show from. I'm

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definitely interested to see all over the world. I know

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we've gone global a couple of times. We had people overseas,

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we got people all over the United States. We have

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some great topics here to talk about. To run through

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them quick quickly before we get into them. We're gonna

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be talking about the World Baseball Classic and some of

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the other international competitions that have been going on over

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the past few months, and then some that are coming

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up in the next few months, and maybe how that's

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affecting the hobby. We also have a big announcement from

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TOPS this past week where they said they're going to

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be including college basketball players into Bowman with NBA players

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for the first time. We're going to see a fully

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licensed product there. And then the hot topic that really

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has kind of taken over the social media and taken

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over a lot of what's going on on, you know,

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all the platforms here, the interesting news that's come out

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about whatnot. We're going to cover that in the second

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half of the show. So first we're gonna go World

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Baseball Classic Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: They win.

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Speaker 1: This is now. It makes Ronald Leucunya one of only

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three players Buster Posey and Shoheo Tani and now Ronald

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Lacunya with a World Series win and a World Baseball

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Classic win. So, you know, Ronald phenomenal player. Very exciting

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for them. Unfortunately, they did beat the United States. You know, Victor,

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I'll ask you this first. Did you watch the World

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Baseball Classic? What were your thoughts? How did you feel

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about the tournament as a whole?

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: I did watch. I'm a big fan of the WBC.

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Although it's getting harder and harder with all the streaming

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different streaming services available to us. To watch the tournament

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is quite the task, But I did, I did watch it,

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did enjoy it. One of my favorite tournaments to watch.

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My takeaways on the whole thing is really to me,

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Poohos made a legitimate case for him being a manager

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in the MLB at some point in the near future.

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De Rosa probably did not. There's a lot of things

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that I noticed with de Rosa's management style, a lot

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of things on social media being murmured. Of course, you

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can get away with a lot of things when you win,

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but when you lose, people tend to put you under

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the microscope. Right, And this is the second tournament that

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the US lost three to two. Was the final score

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kind of a stinger that this one, This one kind

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of hurt. And I don't know about you guys, but

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that quarter final matchup between the US and the Dominican Republic,

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that final strike was not Yeah, it was not a strike.

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Speaker 1: And those are yeah, they would have they would have

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been tapping the helmet there probably, Yeah, they would have

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one of the the ABS reviews on that one. If

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if if we were, you know, playing in the majors. Yeah,

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it was I mean Dominican Republic going into that tournament,

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I thought was gonna win. Like if you look at

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that roster, it's like it's like if you were playing

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like MVP Baseball. I don't know if anybody in the

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chat is, you know, old enough to have played MVP

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Baseball on like the PlayStation, but like it's like if

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you turn off all the trade the trade sliders, and

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you trade all the best players to your team and

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then you sign them and then you go sixty one,

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sixty two and zero.

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Speaker 2: It was like that.

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Speaker 1: It seemed like that for the Dominican Republic. You know,

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same same kind of question to you, doctor Jim, what

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was your thoughts on the tournament as a whole? And

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you know, we saw some of the effects of certain

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players within the within sports cards, some players that maybe

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weren't as expected. But like, do you think that these

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international tournaments they obviously do an effect on some of

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these cards, But do you think there is a future

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for international terms to have more of a mainstay when

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it comes to pricing here in the sports card industry.

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Speaker 2: I think it's terrific. You know, it's showing the best

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players in the sport, in Major League Baseball distributed out

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presumably to their countries of origin. And even though North

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American baseball is the best in the world, the best

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players are not necessarily from America, and so Americans sometimes

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can be overconfident. The other problem I have, even though

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you know, March Madness is the quint essential one and

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done tournament, but baseball has always been a series game.

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got to you know. So it to me, that's that's trumble. Well,

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you some team could get on a roll one pitcher

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or two pitchers or something like that. So but I'm

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all for it, and I'd like to see additional for it.

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games and other kinds of competitions that divide out by nation.

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that we were beaten by Venezuela, right right, Yeah, yeah,

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we don't. We beat them last fall, right, and now

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they're they're taking it back on us as well as Italy,

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which I was kind of surprised about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Italy was another team that I they were you know,

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Florida guy that I am a I am a fan

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of place for the Royals. He was on that team.

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four or five players that were all like very solid.

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we have seen sort of a shift in the international competitions?

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thousands and you have that like USA basketball team that

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got like third place at the Olympics, and it seemed

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like people weren't taking the international competition seriously. So do

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for their you know, play for their nations and take

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it a lot more seriously.

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Speaker 2: Well, number, like I said ninety two, the Dream Team

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in basketball that jump started the programs all over the

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world to get gets get better in basketball to compete

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with the USA, and they have increasingly baseball would be

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the same thing. In this particular tournament and as well

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as the last one, it's just like the famous statement

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within the hobby. So you're saying, there's a chance, right,

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of the USA. Now, two times in a row, we've

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come up short, honorably short. But still we're as Americans

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were used to winning, and you've got to win out

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on the field. You can't win with pr You've got

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to you got to have the best pitching, the best hitting,

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the best defense. And many of the great players in

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Major League Baseball are from other countries. Those other those

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other lineups were stacked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, totally agree. And I want to bring up

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this other graphic here that I think is relevant for cards.

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So the top top sold a tops now set of

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all of the teams in the in the tournament in

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the World Baseball Classic, Japan obviously on top there. People

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want to get that Otani card, they want to get

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any of the rare inserts, the rare autographs that potentially

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could come from the Otani card. Then Team USA there

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in second with twenty thousand total orders, Dominican Republic at

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four thousand, and then it kind of rounds out with Venezuela,

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that cards like this have a bit more of staying

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power in the industry. And I mean this is maybe

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rookie cards that I think are more scarce. So like

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we're gonna get any rookies necessarily in there. But what

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like what did you have any kind of thoughts on

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the overall process of you know, Tops coming out with

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Speaker 3: I did, and I enjoy them. This to me is

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more of like a commemorative set. I never really have

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gotten in commemorative sets, but I do enjoy like the

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tops Now where they actually highlight a moment that happened,

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a big moment. That's the kind of tops now stuff

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because nobody's interpretation of print runs. It's like, you know,

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anything there as far as value, But I don't think

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that's what these sets are made for. I think this

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is more for the commemorative collector type situation, and for

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those reasons, I do think they have stained power. I

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do remember when the Cubs won the twenty sixteen World Series.

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them and looking at reading the highlights of what happened

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during that World Series. And it's not for everybody, but

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Speaker 1: And you know, the interesting thing here with tops with

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tops Now is I think it's either the third or

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fourth highest tops Now card is actually the Jack Hughes

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gold medal winning gold medal winning card. It hockey has not,

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you know, it is it's a very cult like following here.

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but the number of them is not as high as

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maybe other sports. But we did see, you know, with

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this USA card that you know, people really wanted that one.

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Speaker 1: Granted there were also different fractors, and I think they

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involved with that one as well. So overall, I really

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liked the World Baseball Classic. I think it's you know,

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I think doctor Beckett's correct that like baseball is, you know,

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we've gotten to the point where it's it's one hundred

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and sixty two games, it's the longest of.

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Speaker 2: All of the sports.

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that the World Baseball Classic championship had more individual viewers

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than all seven games of the NBA Finals. So I

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game tournaments for baseball or because you know, it's the

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sort of single game tournament, maybe within the season or

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something where there's a little bit more at stake, because

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I think, you know, the NBA has tried to do

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that with the NBA Cup. I don't know if it's

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as I don't know if it's hit as well as

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they expected, but I think you know, the the numbers

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don't lie here when we're talking about amount of viewers

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that are, you know, watching these games, and so you know,

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doctor Jim, I'll ask you this this last question before

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we move on topics. Any you know, any final thoughts

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about any of the international tournaments, whether it's the Olympics

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or World World Baseball Classic or the World Cup coming up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't think we doubt well, it's

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let me phrase this properly. I think the betting odds

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would be with the USA if it were a seven

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game series, but it's not, and that's why you've got

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a lot riding on one game, and the eyeballs are

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focused on that so that they're not going to change that.

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What I'm curious about is that when when tops Now

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puts out something, the formula for direct consumer is to

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put out products that have parallels, inserts, redemptions, autographs that

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are that are tough to get. So that's you might

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get the base card, but you might get that and

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the chance. But what I'm curious about is since every

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one of these different countries had a different different number

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of sets that were produced. Does that make it easier

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to get the good stuff for Venezuela? Then you've got

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a one in thirty four thousand chants with Japan and

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a one in fourteen hundred chance for Venezuela. Is that

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does that kick in it get parallels? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I guess it also depends on you know, they mentioned

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that certain players were going to be getting them. I

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don't know if they're doing like if, for example, Japan

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is going to have more parallels because there was more orders,

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or if you know, like you said, if if there's

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only number to five, if there's only going to be

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number to five for Japan, and then if it's easier

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for you know, Dominican Republic, which again I think that

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that Dominican Republic team is gonna you know, it's it's

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unfortunate that they had to go up against maybe one

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of the best pictures of all time so far with

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Paul Skans, like at least at least one of the

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best pictures right now, because I think if they had

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gone up against any of the other USA pitchers, I'm

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not sure how close it really would have been you know,

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also the picture for Detroit unfortunately didn't want to play

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in any other games after. I thought that was kind

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of unfortunate a little bit. I don't know it was

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I thought the USA had a good shot if they

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had their best players on the field, and you know,

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I think things could have gone a different way easily,

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like they could have lost if they lost the Dominican Republic.

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That would have surprised me. And you know, same question

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to you victory. Any final thoughts here on this topic

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before we move on to what we got up next.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great point about school. I can

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probably go on a mini brant about him. I'm there,

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but I'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: I was interested in you know, who who stood out

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in the in the in the tournament, and there's so

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many amazing players, so many good performers. But shout out

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to Mike cal Garcia, third baseman for Kansas City Royals,

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who ended up winning MVP of the World Baseball Classic,

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which is pretty impressive. Like I said, with the amount

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of people that the caliber of players that were in there,

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but when you look at his numbers throughout the tournament,

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it was pretty impressive. Slight his rookie years twenty twenty three,

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slight little bump in his stuff. I was looking at

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at his stuff moments ago, but definitely a player to

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perhaps keep an eye up. This season could be a

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breakout season for him.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And so we're actually going to be moving from one

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single game tournament here to the next one. We have

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got some news right before the start of the NCAA tournament.

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And I mean, for first, before we get into the news,

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I'll ask you guys, uh, are you like so doctor Jim,

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are you or doctor Beckett? Are you a are you

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are you a March Madness fan? Or how's your bracket doing?

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Like that's you know, that's kind of how how how's

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the bracket doing? To start off the start off the topic.

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Speaker 2: SM you lost before they got in the tournament. That's

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my team. Uh felt horrible. I watched that game. That

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doesn't mean I'm quitting because I love to watch the games,

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but yeah, I don't really fill out the bracket. It's

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it's too disappointing for me. I like, I like for

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the favorites to win and I like to see good basket. Yeah,

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but it's right, it's just a remarkable. Again, they they

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crush it into two weeks. I think it's terrific. It's

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one of the highlights of the sports calendar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Victor.

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Speaker 2: How about you? Are you? Are you?

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Speaker 1: Is your bracket busted? Or or do you do you?

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Do you even do bractic? I know, like doctor Beckett said,

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he doesn't do brackets. How's your bracket looking if you

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got one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't do brackets.

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Speaker 2: I don't really.

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Speaker 3: I don't really get into college basketball, to be honest

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with you too. Maybe like the final eight is when

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I really start paying attention. I just always been more

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of a of an NBA pro guy than in college.

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But I do enjoy watching them final games get pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I and maybe the opposite. I am

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a college guy. I love College football is maybe my

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favorite sport, and then and then college basketball is probably

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a close second or third, you know, any of the

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you know, when thee whenever a Boston team's doing well,

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that's my favorite sport at the time. So like you know,

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the Celtics right now, they're they're doing pretty well, so

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I'm excited for them. I mean, I've got Michigan in

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my one bracket that I took kind of seriously. So

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you know, they play I think at noon today, so

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we'll see how they do. I mean, as long as

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they can keep kind of marching on through the tournament

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no pun intended here with March madness. But as long

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as they can keep going throughout the tournament, you know

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they'll they'll be pretty good. But like I said, so

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before the before the tournament started, TOPS actually announced that

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they were going to include, for the first time ever,

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there were going to be men's and women's college players

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in with NBA players in a fully licensed Bowman product. Now,

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one thing that somebody pointed out is that this is

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just Bowman, not Bowman Chrome. So I think that means

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we're getting a Bowman and a Bowman Chrome product potentially,

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because in other nil Bowman products there was just Bowman Chrome,

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I believe, so there was there was paper and chrome

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versions of these cards. But I guess we'll see. So,

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you know, Victor, I'll ask you this first. You know,

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the combination of the NBA players with the college players,

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it's obviously a little bit different than it is for

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baseball when it comes to their Bowman products. So what

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were your initial thoughts when you saw this news come

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across the timeline.

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Speaker 3: Not a fan, not a fan, Adam. To be honest

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with you, we're combining a collegiate product with a pro product,

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and I think there is I've always been a big

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advocate for collegiate product. I think there is a segment

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of the hobby that can really enjoy that type of product,

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and I thought it was a great move to produce

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that kind of product. But now we're we've got the

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collegiate men, collegiate women mixed with the pro rookies and such,

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and it's just to me, it's it's kind of similar

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to the Bowman baseball product. It's kind of confusing because

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they come out with a Bowman product that has like

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a Bowman Chrome insert subset included, and then they come

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out with a regular Bowman Chrome product that looks almost

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identical to the insert set. So a lot of times

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it's really really confusing to tell what those Bowman Chrome

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cards came out, What product did they come out of?

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And I don't know, it seems like they're going to

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continue doing that here with now. So now if they

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come out with Bowman, you which I'm sure they will,

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you know, those first Bowman's you know, is it did

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it amount of draft pick Bowman draft Picks or did

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it come out of this product here? It's gonna be

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very hard to tell, so really confusing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, doctor Becket, I'll ask you kind

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of the same question. What were your you know, what

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were your initial thoughts when you saw this news first

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come out this week?

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Speaker 2: Well, uh, Fanatics is still in a battle with Panini

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for the hearts and minds of collector and to grab

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off not perhaps not all women, uh, but to grab

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to put women in this product is an attempt to

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be more inclusive. And I think it's a it's a

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bold move. It is confusing victory. You're totally right, but

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it's it's it's the kind of ten xing kind of

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a move of being more inclusive in the hobby. But

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my question is if I look at the box, where

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are the women, the women in the product? Where are they?

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Why are they not on the on the on the

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on the box, on the front of the box. Here, Yeah,

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there is one, Well, she needs to wear her hair out.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Madison Booker, which I know that there

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are a couple players who are pretty like you know,

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Juju Walkins, who I think might be hurt right now.

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For USC, I would have probably liked to see her

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on the cover. I mean, I know she I think

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she's hurt, so I don't think she's playing. And then

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I know Iowa State has another player. I forget her

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name off the top of my head, but it's probably

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going to be a top pick when she comes out

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to you know, the WNBA.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I kind of agree with both

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of you guys from the confusing standpoint. I think it's

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I guess it's cool that they're including both of these,

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But in my opinion, I thought the Bowman products really

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stood out to me because it was a product that

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was coming out while the players were still in school,

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and to me, that really made the first Bowmans actually

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feel a little bit more important, like the you know,

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the Caitlin Clark or the Page Becker's or you know

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Cooper Flag for example, any of these players that were

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getting their first Bowmans. It was mirroring baseball in a way,

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but also much different because you know, they're not wearing

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their pro uniforms. So I don't know, I have mixed

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feelings about this for sure, Like I think it's cool

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that they're including these players altogether in the product. I

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think it, you know, like doctor Becker was saying, it's

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very it's much more inclusive. I think if you're adding

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them in with NBA players, I think that's very cool.

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But I do think I personally like the college specific products,

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especially the way that TOPS is doing them now, because

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I think that we've seen a big shift in what

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college products have become, like, you know, going back to

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twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, maybe even twenty twenty. You know,

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Zion for example, he didn't get a college licensed duke

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card until he was drafted, So once the players off

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the team, some of the excitement, in my opinion, kind

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of goes away. So I don't know, I liked that

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way they were doing it with the players that were

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in school. You know, Victor, I'll ask you that question.

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Do you think that really makes that much of a

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difference between like when if the cards are coming out

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when the player is at school versus I guess I

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don't know when this was going to come out, but

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for some of these players, they're not going to be

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playing on their college team when the product comes out.

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Do you think that makes a difference.

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Speaker 3: It makes a difference with today's nil These kids can

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probably jump two three teams before they even before the

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cards even come out, right, but it can perhaps, Adam,

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I'm not one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 2: If I can speak for Victor. I mean, this really

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messes up Victor's world, you know, in terms of what's

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the true rookie car not I'm very sympathetic. Victor puts

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in so much hard work as I did back in

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the day of coming up with some guidelines. But the

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car companies don't go by the guideline r They just

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do what they want to do and doing this product

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and then doing a chrome version. It's not a cash

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grab in one sense, it's good business. They're gonna make money.

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But then Victor and other people are going to try

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to figure out what which are the best ones, and

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the market will dictate. We already know that almost always

478
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,000
chrome is better than paper, and we know for the

479
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:11,799
same card, we always know that serial number is better

480
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,319
than base, you know, non serial number of the base

481
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,960
of the same card, and so there'll be a hierarchy.

482
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:20,799
But from one product to a next Victor, good luck,

483
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:21,720
good luck.

484
00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to be on this product.

485
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,559
And this is what I don't like about when they

486
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,480
when they advertise, they don't show the back of the card.

487
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,599
But I'm assuming now this product, the collegiate players are

488
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,319
going to have a collegiate license instead of an NBA

489
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,880
League license in the back, and that's a differentiator for

490
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,279
me as far as figuring aro out what's what. And unfortunately, yeah,

491
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,160
the rome the chrome stuff carries more weight. But at

492
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,960
the end of the day, really what the hobby is

493
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,480
really going to want is they autograph low serial number

494
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,599
stuff and the rest right seems to like not matter.

495
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,119
And unfortunately, hopefully we can get that ship to churn someday.

496
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:03,039
Speaker 2: Adam.

497
00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 3: Before we move on to the next topic, I'd like

498
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,200
to catch up with the with the chat. They got

499
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,480
some some good stuff in there. Let's let's catch up

500
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:11,400
with the chat if we can.

501
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, so we got Able. I think Able in

502
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:18,279
Vegas had a good one. When will Fanatics introduce the

503
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:21,839
tournament patches to Bowman basketball now? I do think that

504
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,680
they have done some sort of NCAA patch in some

505
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,039
sort of tops now card that's coming out. I might

506
00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:31,839
be potentially mistaken about that. I know that they have

507
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,440
cards for the tournament, which I think again, both Tops

508
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,200
Now gives I think the opportunity for TOPS to come

509
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,319
out with you know, like players at high Point for example,

510
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,160
like they you know, that was one of the upsets

511
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,000
from this past couple of days that I think they

512
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,759
beat Wisconsin potentially, So you get you're gonna be able

513
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:51,759
to include players who maybe aren't going to be in

514
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:53,799
that Bowman set. And I don't know, I know, I

515
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,440
know that TOPS has done it where if you're in

516
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,960
the Tops Now set, you then get included in the

517
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,839
next Bowman set. They've done that in the past. I

518
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,240
don't I guess I don't know how they're going to

519
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,119
do it this time. But but either way, then we

520
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,000
have Bob. I'm not a fan of mixed NBA in college.

521
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,160
I think, yeah, it'll give Victor, It'll give Victor ahead.

522
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,240
I kind of like what doctor Beckett was said with

523
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,559
with just the amount of the amount of different types

524
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:23,359
of rookie cards like pre rookie cards and Bowman Next

525
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,079
and all of these things. I think, you know, we're

526
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:26,920
getting into a point where maybe things are getting a

527
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,079
little bit too confusing for an average person who wants

528
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,880
to come in and just you know, collect cards, like

529
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,759
if they want to just collect the best card, it's

530
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,160
almost it's almost a conversation of like how much do

531
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,200
you want to spend and like where do you think

532
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,400
the best card is? Because it really, it almost is

533
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,359
becoming a little bit subjective. I mean, you know, Victor,

534
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,920
I'll keep going through the comments here if you want

535
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,200
to talk about, you know, the subjectiveness that it seems

536
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,920
like with rookie cards nowadays. Doesn't I don't think it's

537
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,240
good for the hobby in my opinion, but what's good

538
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,200
and what's bad is kind of I know, you know

539
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,880
that's subjective. But for for you, like as a rookie

540
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,920
card guy, do you like that they are sort of

541
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,599
muddying the water here with all these different types of

542
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,240
rookie cards and pre rookie cards.

543
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,799
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, Adam, the longer and more

544
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:13,400
and more I'm digging into this sort of thing, I

545
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,680
don't think it's the manufacturer's muddying it as much as

546
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:22,720
the hobbyist muddying it. The new rules were set in

547
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:24,920
place around two thousand and five two thousand and six,

548
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,960
and in hindsight, what they established makes really good sense.

549
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,079
The problem is is that hobbyists don't want to align

550
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,759
themselves with that concept. And I think the more and

551
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,920
more I dig into this, the more and more I

552
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,920
start to believe that's more the issue, because what they

553
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,680
established makes sense if you take the time to learn it.

554
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,880
Now it is a little you know, it makes you

555
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,680
scratch your head, but if you take your time to

556
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,440
learn what's been established, it actually makes sense. It's just

557
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:01,039
there's there was a long void of time there where

558
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,200
nobody was teaching it, nobody was understanding it, so everybody

559
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,799
just made up their own interpretation of what a rookie

560
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,680
card is. And I think that's where the water's getting

561
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,400
muddied the most. I do want to circle back to

562
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,559
what Abel was saying with his question about the debut

563
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,000
patch made me want to look up what Bowman offers.

564
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:30,160
As far as chase, they are showing three tiers of autographs.

565
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,720
There is a gold which is obviously the superfractor, and

566
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,359
then there's a red and a blue autograph version. As

567
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440
far as case hits are concerned, there is an anime

568
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:44,519
type card set, insert set, and then garbage Pail Kids

569
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,200
is also going to be included as a case hit.

570
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,519
So I just wanted to share that no debut patches

571
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:51,480
in this product.

572
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:56,599
Speaker 2: But what Fanatics has done subtly, I think subtly is

573
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,680
it by if they were going to put debut patches,

574
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:04,319
they'd have to be redemptions in the twenty twenty six

575
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,160
Baseball product with their seventy five best A lot of

576
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,319
those best cards are redemptions. What they've single handedly done

577
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:16,240
is make redemptions cool again, not kicked off that you

578
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,519
got a redemption. Especially if if twenty twenty six had

579
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,640
some redemption cards in there for these for these debut patches,

580
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640
people would do backflips. They would say, Oh, it's a redemption,

581
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,000
I've got to send in. They would be excited.

582
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

583
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,319
Speaker 2: So I think redemptions are back with a vengeance, and

584
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,079
that allows the set to live and breathe and to

585
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:39,279
be even like we're saying more inclusive of what's going

586
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,759
on right now. Like I said, the high point guys,

587
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,359
these other you know, if some of this stuff may

588
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,759
hit and we're right in the beginning of March Madness now,

589
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,559
but there're gonna be some other breakout stars.

590
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Right yep, exactly. And I think unfortunately de Bonsta, who

591
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,720
was one of the BYU players. I think BYU lost,

592
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:02,160
so it may be similar to like a John Morant

593
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000
when he played I forget what college he played for,

594
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,839
but I think he was wanted done in the NCAA tournament.

595
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,160
I think also Ben Simmons was another one that was

596
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,400
kind of a high draft pick that was one of

597
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,240
the best players and then gets wanted done in the

598
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,839
in the tournament. So yeah, I think the the debut

599
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,400
patches would be pretty cool. Like I could see them

600
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,680
doing that maybe next year, but I do think I

601
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,400
don't know, I think that there's too many teams and

602
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,680
there's too many random players maybe potentially to to do

603
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,559
that unfortunately, but I think some sort of patch would

604
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:33,319
be you know, would be very cool. And like you said,

605
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,400
doctor Beckett, it probably it would have to be a

606
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:40,079
redemption because they wouldn't be able to have the product

607
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,319
and then because if they're promoting the product assume assuming

608
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:45,839
that probably means it's gonna be coming out fairly soon,

609
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,839
but they wouldn't be able to do the tournament and

610
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,359
then be able to put those patches in there. They

611
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,640
would have to be you know, they would have to

612
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,279
be redemptions.

613
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: Obviously.

614
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of

615
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,920
concern in the a lot of concern in the chapter

616
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,559
Victor and his channel here, so shout out, shout out

617
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:03,160
to the shout out to the comments. You know, we

618
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:09,559
got uh, we got, We've got Orlando, we got UH.

619
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:14,839
Speaker 2: So any any go ahead needs more controversy, Victor.

620
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I'm going to put the I'm gonna

621
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,599
put the link in the chat, which admittedly not something

622
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,759
I necessarily always do, uh, you know, but we have

623
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:29,200
a topic here that I think I would be interested

624
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,119
to see if anybody wants to call in and kind

625
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,480
of give their thoughts on this topic. We are going

626
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,799
to be getting into sort of the big news from

627
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:40,799
this past week, which was what not UH is facing

628
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,440
some legal issues over potential uh you know, back end

629
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,319
stuff that they were they were doing with breaking and repacking.

630
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:52,599
Speaker 2: You know.

631
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,279
Speaker 1: So, Victor, what were your kind of initial thoughts here

632
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,759
for UH when you saw this news? Was it surprising

633
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,480
to you? Were you not surprised? What were kind of

634
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,400
what were your thoughts on it?

635
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,359
Speaker 3: I'm just going to give you an initial thought and

636
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,559
then I want to hear I want to hear more

637
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,400
of what doctor Beckett has to say about it. But

638
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,920
I will say this, I am I've never dealt with

639
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,440
whatnot in any capacity, either buying or selling. I don't

640
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,039
get into breaks, so to me, I really can't speak

641
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,799
on what is happening inside of whatnot because I don't know.

642
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,799
But with that said, I'll pass it to Gym and

643
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:31,680
then I'll come back and give some remarks.

644
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: I think each of these very large players in the

645
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,680
industry has a demographic, you know. I think the demographic

646
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,519
for Whatnot probably skews a little bit younger, and so

647
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:46,279
that's what you're dealing with. Where whereas collectors, Fanatics, these others,

648
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,480
they also have their ecosystems, their worlds that they want

649
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,079
to keep the collectors in. They want a one stop shop.

650
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,119
Once you come into Fanatics, collect or whatever, there's going

651
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,680
to be an adjacent offering of you know, They've got

652
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,440
all these different things, send you to their breakers, send

653
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,519
you to their approved shops, whatever, but mainly to keep

654
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:11,039
you spending money with them. And frankly, it might be

655
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,599
the whatnock Not is maybe doing a better job of that.

656
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,440
If you read the complaints that they pulled people in

657
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,720
and they are enticing them with kind of quasi or

658
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:25,559
legit gambling stuff. Not expressly illegal, but some of these

659
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,200
younger people, perhaps collectors and are are are falling into

660
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,759
a trap of getting pulled in sucked in. Now Here's

661
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,000
the big issue here is that whatnot the big company

662
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,960
really smart? They have forced arbitration, which is not like

663
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,160
going to court. You know, I used to be used

664
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,759
to do litigation, consulting and testifying in court as an

665
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,200
expert witness, and I had some arbitrations there. They're very

666
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,319
different than being in court in terms of the discovery

667
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,720
and the depositions and the affidavits and the amount of

668
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,039
time you have to make your case. So these are

669
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,079
going to be complicated cases, some of the ones I've

670
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:08,519
been involved with of things like that. The attorney that

671
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,880
represents the plaintiffs is a key decision. I've been in

672
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,760
situations where attorney was not very good, not really up

673
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,199
to speed. This is amazing. You have the pre eminent

674
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,880
attorney in the industry in our hobby all less go

675
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:29,400
representing these fifteen complainants. You know, they'd be like plaintiffs,

676
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,719
and so he already knows and is passionately in favor

677
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,039
of what's good for this hobby, and so this can

678
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,480
be the tip of the Iceberg, because this isn't just

679
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,920
some attorney out there that you know that we haven't

680
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,840
heard about. This is a guy we've tracked with for

681
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,320
years who's opined on all these different cases and whatnot.

682
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,719
Is in a tough position because if they say, you know,

683
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,159
we yeah, we we're just going to quietly give each

684
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,679
of these persons that Paul is representing, these fifteen we're

685
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,679
going to give me five thousand dollars to go away, Well,

686
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,320
that will spread like wildfire all kinds of other people.

687
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,599
So they're gonna have trouble giving money unless it is

688
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,679
so super confidential, and even giving money to Paul, who

689
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:18,039
is worth getting something out of this. But Paul's reputation,

690
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,480
if he handles this right, he's just gonna go on

691
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,960
the Mount Rushmore if he's the if he's the protector

692
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719
of the of the of the average collector who was

693
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,599
who was pulled into something in over his head. But

694
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,719
I think, I think, I think whatnot. It's gonna take

695
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,519
this very seriously. They're gonna close the barn door, They're

696
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:41,480
gonna they're gonna resolve some of the non financial complaints.

697
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,239
They're gonna do that, probably with great fanfare. But I

698
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,519
don't think they're gonna if they offer even one hundred dollars.

699
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:52,280
There's thousands of people that have participated whatnot they're gonna say,

700
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,559
I want a hundred bucks. But if and if, and

701
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,280
some are can say I want one hundred thousand dollars.

702
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,239
You know when Paul was when I heard him interviewed

703
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,559
on something, there are people that have been hurt to

704
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,679
the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now, there's

705
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,519
some level of personal responsibility a person has, but and

706
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:13,480
an arbitration hearing is not like a judge in a

707
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,199
jury where there's sympathies. It's more about the law, what

708
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,239
did you do? And many of these arbitrators are known

709
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,440
for being a little bit establishment leading, in other words,

710
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:26,760
siding with the big company, and so it'll be an

711
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,679
uphill struggle. But I think they're in good hands with Paul.

712
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,559
I think this is something that will be settled. I

713
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:34,800
don't think it's going to go to the arbitration, because

714
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,320
if you went to the arbitration and you lost, then

715
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,199
all of a sudden, there's going to be this huge

716
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,159
line of people say I want some of that, But

717
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,639
they might give the only way they could do it,

718
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,960
as I'm just thinking out loud here, is that they

719
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,079
could They could not give cash, but they could give

720
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,400
some what not bucks, you know, some kind of thing

721
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,239
that you know what We're we're not admitting we did

722
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,960
anything wrong, and we're not going to be doing this anymore.

723
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,440
But for your for bringing this to attention, we're going

724
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,360
to give you a credit against future business with US

725
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,239
of reduced fees on something you would do. But they're

726
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,800
in a pickle.

727
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I mean I think foul Ball

728
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,079
actually makes a good point here. Live shopping or live

729
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,360
selling is the future. I definitely, I totally agree with that.

730
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440
And I think I think when you are a company

731
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:31,800
like Whatnot and you have grown to this massive, you know,

732
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,400
this massive size in you know, only like four or

733
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,000
five years, Like I'm sure that they were probably around

734
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,639
before pre pandemic or you know, but they are, if

735
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,800
not the biggest, one of the biggest live selling you know,

736
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,960
collectibles platforms. There is so like you know, also the

737
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,199
problem with some of the sellers doing what is alleged

738
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:55,480
if what Not did know that they were doing that,

739
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,760
that's obviously an issue. But with the amount of sellers

740
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,239
and I've heard people talk about about the vetting process

741
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,199
of sellers on whatnot is not very stringent. It's very

742
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,599
much just hey, what are you selling, when are you

743
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,559
going to sell it? What's your name, what's your tax information?

744
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,079
And then they're kind of on the platform. It's one

745
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,800
of the good things about sports cards and one of

746
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,320
the bad things.

747
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: Potentially.

748
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: It's anybody can really start a business within the sports

749
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,199
card industry. But you know, for some times that's maybe

750
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,440
potentially the worst. You know, that's not that's not as

751
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,199
good because you have people who want to, you know,

752
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,800
scam like they are doing here.

753
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,039
Speaker 2: So if what we can't say it's a scam, I mean,

754
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,239
I don't think they're doing anything illegal. What they're doing

755
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,519
is they're playing on people's sympathies and they're and the

756
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,599
passion of the collector, and so that's it doesn't mean

757
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:45,039
they're scamming. In fact, the live selling may not even

758
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,400
be their biggest money maker, but what it might be,

759
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,599
it might be their gateway drug that pulls people into

760
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,880
there that get enamored of the live selling platform. They're

761
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,960
having a great time. Oh yeah, and we got some

762
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,199
breaks over here, and we get some mod things over here,

763
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,599
and you know, you're you're part of our our family here,

764
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,280
and we got some gambling quote unquote kind of stuff.

765
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,000
But fanatics may wind up doing the same thing. They've

766
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000
got gambling, they've got breaking, they've got auctions, they've got

767
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,519
they're making the cards, all that stuff. So but if

768
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,000
it's a gateway drug that the live selling is getting

769
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,559
people into, hey what not's my friend? That's a lot

770
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,280
of fun there, And hey, I could just I can

771
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,119
just click over here and get into this. I made

772
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,039
some money on that. I'll put it over here. You

773
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,840
have to be a discerning collector. There are too many choices.

774
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,639
You can't say yes to everything, right.

775
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm sorry, and I just want to say something.

776
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,519
I think I was when I use the words game.

777
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:40,800
I think maybe I was using that a little bit

778
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,519
too liberally. I was. It was more of just an

779
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:48,239
overall I don't know, this word scam was maybe used

780
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,719
a little bit, uh, you know, in jest. I wasn't

781
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,039
necessarily calling it a scam. I suppose, just to just

782
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:54,679
make that clear. So sorry, go ahead, Victor.

783
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: No. I wanted to go going back to foul Ball's

784
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,960
comment live selling the future and so then I asked myself, well,

785
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,519
why is life selling the future? And I've never again,

786
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,719
I've never dove into that arena, so I really don't know.

787
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,679
But keeping my ear to the rail like I typically do.

788
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,360
Here's the problem that I have with certain things is

789
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,960
the popularity of life selling is in the going back

790
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,000
and forth with the bids. Right, people are are kind

791
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,480
of like sending this card up in value, and you

792
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,880
have a lot of people purchasing cards. They're purchasing a

793
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,639
five dollars card for twenty to thirty dollars or a

794
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:41,440
ten dollars card for forty fifty dollars. And how long

795
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,199
do you think that's going to last before that collapses?

796
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Before people realize, man, wait a minute, here, I spent

797
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,000
I spent X amount of dollars here, but it's only

798
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,400
worth this much. How long before they actually figure out

799
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,840
that they've gotten burned and it's burned.

800
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: They didn't get burned. They went to the movies, they

801
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,800
saw a reality show. They were entertained, and the price

802
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,440
of the movie ticket was eighteen dollars And a lot

803
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,519
of stuff goes for less. So it's not a sure thing.

804
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,039
And that's excitement. I might get a good deal. I

805
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:14,679
might not, but I'm gonna enjoy the process. So they've

806
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,800
created something that is our whole culture all over the

807
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,000
world is short attention span and in immediate gratification. They're

808
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,920
playing into that. And so again, Adam, it's not a scam.

809
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,679
It's it's playing to what people are doing and really

810
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,880
perfecting it. But now they're finding out they've been so

811
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,840
good at marketing these other quasi gambling products, they're they're

812
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,960
gonna have some explaining to do in front of Paul

813
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,880
LESCo and these other I believe there'd be a lot

814
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,119
more than fifteen.

815
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, eventually, Well right, and I you know, if

816
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,159
I'm gonna be honest, I had never really thought of

817
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,239
it that way. I have thought of, you know, gambling,

818
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,119
because I do, you know, bet on sports occasionally, and

819
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,599
if you know you're going to a game or you're

820
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,719
watching a game, you know, it's it's if you are

821
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,119
if you're spending five, ten, fifteen, twenty dollars on gambling,

822
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,159
that's you know how I sort of did view it

823
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,719
like you said, like if you're going to out to dinner,

824
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:09,920
you're not sitting there being like oh my god, I

825
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,679
can't Well you probably are when you dinner, but for

826
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,679
the most part, you know, you know what you're expecting.

827
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,800
You're not like expecting to get any money back if

828
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,320
you're going out to dinner, you know, go into the

829
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,559
movies or stuff like that. I do think that the

830
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:27,519
live selling platforms need to implement some sort of like

831
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,559
comping system from eBay or something, or card Ladder one

832
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:34,800
of these platforms, because you know, on one hand, I

833
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,440
agree with you, doctor Beckett, like you're paying for the

834
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:40,679
entertainment and you're buying a card. But I also think

835
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,800
that if the seller is saying that this card is

836
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,199
worth two or three x, which I have seen many

837
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,800
videos on Twitter of people talking about how certain sellers

838
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,000
will say, oh, this is a two hundred dollars card,

839
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,159
when it's on eBay it's selling for fifty dollars pretty regularly.

840
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,159
That I don't really like if the you know, if

841
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,719
the seller's not moding how much the person should be

842
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,639
spending on the card and it just happens to, you know,

843
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,519
sell for more. I also think that there should be

844
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:10,239
some sort of safe net for people who maybe are

845
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,960
maybe they don't know as much, maybe they don't know

846
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,039
how to look up comps. But you know, the other

847
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,320
part of this, just from my last point here is

848
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,800
the urgency and the short term auctions. I think it

849
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,719
activates something in our brain that you know, scarcity and

850
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,480
the quickness that you have to buy. I mean, you

851
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,039
go to websites and you see, oh, there's this offer

852
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,119
you can only get for the next twenty minutes or

853
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,239
something like that, and that's you know, that's a pretty

854
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,159
that's a pretty often used marketing tool. So it's potentially

855
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,639
the same thing here with the cards. So I mean,

856
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:44,159
it's kind of it's a give and take here, you know, Doc,

857
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:45,400
go ahead, doctor makettyeh Adam.

858
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,039
Speaker 2: When I read the complaint, that's not the essence of

859
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,719
the complaint. From what I can see, it's not about

860
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,239
that I overpaid a in a live selling platform auction

861
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,199
where it got carried away. It said, I get sucked

862
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,920
into these other things where I had to go in

863
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,599
to debt and all that. And like I say, if

864
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:05,519
you're paying double or triple off, something's worth and if

865
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:09,159
it's ten bucks instead of three bucks, or thirty bucks

866
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:12,719
instead of fifteen bucks, that's not the essence of this complaint.

867
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,679
It's that they were they were buying into big things,

868
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,880
and that's the problem because you're not nobody's gonna nobody's

869
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,000
gonna look them up. They're not gonna They're just in

870
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:24,920
the moment.

871
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: Right, No, But yeah, that's maybe just a secondary part

872
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,559
of you know, my thoughts on whatnot.

873
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:37,559
Speaker 2: And but it's what you go into and I go

874
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,920
into because I think, hey, that's where that's really wrong.

875
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,920
But people are not complaining about that that they're gonna

876
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,239
win some lose some. They're complaining that they're losing their

877
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,960
homes and marriages and families because they're getting deep into

878
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,760
debt because they lost lost the next one. I'm sure

879
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,559
I'm gonna win, and so they double down and all

880
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:58,400
that stuff, and at the end of the end of

881
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,440
the all of a sudden their credit cards are maxed

882
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,679
out and all that stuff. So to me, that's the

883
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,679
essence of what these fifteen and others might be saying,

884
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,159
not that I paid a little bit too much. I

885
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,519
got swept away in that. No, I got swept away

886
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:15,199
that what not is my friend, and whatnot is the

887
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,079
way I need to concentrate my hobby passion in in

888
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,840
their system, because it's not what's not in any way

889
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,320
playing into the logic or the analysis. They're completely bypassing that.

890
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,519
And so when people sign up for it, they're admitting,

891
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,599
I'm going to go into a live selling platform. Anything

892
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:34,880
could happen, and I'm okay with that.

893
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: Right, Jim, let me ask you this on this topic.

894
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,800
I read somewhere in an article I forget where, but

895
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,280
it's said that Whatnot in October of twenty twenty five

896
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,119
had a company valuation of eleven point five billion dollars

897
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,280
is what this company's worth. Now you couple that to

898
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,320
the investigation that Congressman pat Ryan is. It's gotten the

899
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,679
attention of the politicians, and and that's a separate issue

900
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,239
as far as p s a UH is concerned. That's

901
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,760
what pat Ryan was looking at. But could this lawsuit

902
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,239
raise a red flag even more for government regulation?

903
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,119
Speaker 2: To me, this is more serious. I think the Pat

904
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:20,239
Ryan thing isn't going to go anywhere. But we're being

905
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:24,719
challenged as we become, uh, you know, self aware that

906
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,159
we need to do our own regulation and that and

907
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,920
then and part of this arbitration, UH, these proceedings that

908
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,079
Paul Lesco's bringing are an attempt for us to bring

909
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,840
attention to our industry that we don't like the way.

910
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,119
We don't like the way whatnot is is uh handling

911
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,400
their business within their ecosystem. They don't want to let

912
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:48,840
us leave. They they get you know, it's like all

913
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,679
these gambling sites give you free free money for your

914
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,199
first bet, pull you in now again, Adam, I don't

915
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:59,440
think that's a scam. But if again with a younger demographic, say, hey,

916
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,000
somebody's get give me free money. Hey, I mean, and

917
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,880
that was fun. I lost this time, but I'm gonna

918
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,679
win the next time and all that. So so I'm

919
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,599
I'm I'm I'm more concerned about this. But I do

920
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,880
think that I just think Whatnot is going to clean

921
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,320
up their act to a degree, at least give the appearance.

922
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,039
Speaker 1: Of doing that, right, Yeah, I mean, And in even

923
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:21,000
the thing that you were saying, doctor Beckett, like the

924
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,719
free money, I saw an interesting statistic that I think

925
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,360
a lot of people were overlooking that. The It was

926
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,000
something along the lines of like the female demographic of

927
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,679
gamblers has increased like by like three hundred percent. But

928
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,239
like what I think maybe people aren't realizing from looking

929
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,199
at that statistic, it's the It's just it's not it's

930
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,920
people signing up for it under their spouse's accounts so

931
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,719
they can get more money.

932
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: Like that's probably more likely that part of no, no, no, no.

933
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:56,079
They've made gambling a community event. Women are more drawn,

934
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:59,079
you know, very generalizing. Women are more drawn to community

935
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,840
that everybody's doing it and my my friends are doing

936
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,440
it and all that stuff. So anything that's community. You know,

937
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,239
men frequently zominave, I've got an idea, I'm going to

938
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,039
do this, and all self reliance, all this stuff. Women

939
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,559
frequently do things in groups, and more power to them.

940
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,239
But if it's a bad deal, it's a bad deal.

941
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,840
Whether it's for a man or a woman and whatnot.

942
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,559
Is in the business of don't consider whether it's a

943
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,559
good deal or a bad deal. It's available right now.

944
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,000
You might win, you might lose, and have some fun,

945
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,239
right exactly.

946
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean we're moving really towards you know, doctor Beck,

947
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,960
I'll ask you this question, the I guess the gambling

948
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,599
nature within sports cards. Is that something that is more

949
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,320
of a recent phenomenon or is this something that you

950
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,840
have seen kind of throughout the history of cards and

951
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,760
maybe now that everything is online it's just easier. Is

952
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,320
it something that has always been in the industry or

953
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,639
is this maybe a newer phenomenon from what you've seen

954
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:01,159
being in the industry for so long.

955
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: No, it's it's like Josh louveris in the blind boxification

956
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000
of everything. If you open a pack, you're you're kind

957
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,440
of gambling. You're you know, you're you're gonna pay whatever

958
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:10,920
for the pack and you're gonna open it up and

959
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,000
you might get more, you might get less. So that's

960
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,400
not but that's there's no cheating in that, there's no

961
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,360
an edge. It's just you just do it. You open

962
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,119
it up and you might win, you might lose. But

963
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,639
what they've done, which is very insidious and is happening

964
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,280
right now as we speak in the participation markets with

965
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,000
you know, polymarket and uh what's Calshi, those have figured

966
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,719
out a way to make it not be gambling. So

967
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:42,079
the definition of gambling has being brought as being narrowed

968
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,599
to where it so this So what whatnot is doing

969
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,480
is that's going to be a big issue in the

970
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:51,400
case for Paul LESCo is this, are they gambling without

971
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,320
gambling without a license and they're gonna say no, we're

972
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,079
doing just like these others. Everybody's coming into it It's

973
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,880
not like if you buy a lottery ticket and if

974
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,480
you you lose, you just tear up the lottery ticket. No,

975
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,960
you bought a card. The card still has value. So

976
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:09,360
there's all these ways to jerry mander the definition. And

977
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,320
that's gonna be the battle for Paul LESCo. And it's

978
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,840
gonna it'll help. It will help because I think, you know,

979
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:19,719
Josh talked about the game of the blind boxing. There's

980
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,719
a gamblification of everything. Now Fanatics is moving into that.

981
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,199
Maybe the Fanatics does this same playbook of you know

982
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,119
of you know, we got you with the jerseys now

983
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,599
and we got you with the lids, we got you

984
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,000
with the cards. We have gambling now, you already have

985
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,920
an account, we already know what your favorite teams are.

986
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,559
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna send you some tips

987
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,800
right right now. I'd like to see this settlement that

988
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:51,079
that hopefully Paul, caring deeply about the industry, would would

989
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,760
put some guardrails there. I mean, Victor and I you

990
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,199
probably are to Adam, but you know, guardrails are important.

991
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,400
They don't have to be so narrow that you can't

992
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,760
do anything, but they need to you know, kind of

993
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,599
this is acceptable. This is not right. Yep.

994
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:09,599
Speaker 1: And and look, I mean gambling is fun. I'll like,

995
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:11,519
I mean it's fun. It's going to a casino's fun.

996
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,760
Betting on sports is fun. But I think unfortunately it

997
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,360
is an activity that some people don't know how to

998
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,280
stop doing. And I think that in the sports card

999
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,440
industry or just maybe just in general, we're not gonna

1000
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,239
go We're not going backwards. I think now that the

1001
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,800
toothpases out of the tube here, Like, I think the

1002
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,320
next step is just going to be education on whether

1003
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,840
it's you know, the you know gamblers anonymous or any

1004
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,800
any of these things for to help people with you know,

1005
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,159
maybe people that have addictions to gambling or any of

1006
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,840
these things. I just think the education process is going

1007
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,199
to continue to be as important as it has ever.

1008
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,480
And you know, Victor, for someone like you who you know,

1009
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,000
I don't know if you have I guess, I don't

1010
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,119
know if you have an education background, but your YouTube

1011
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:59,039
channel is very educational. Do you think that we're you know,

1012
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,000
I guess I asked, I said the question, We're not

1013
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,199
going backwards, but where do you think we go next?

1014
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: Here?

1015
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: With maybe some of this stuff with whatnot, or you know,

1016
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,079
any of the live platforms when it comes to I

1017
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,239
guess the gambling, but just in general, like, where do

1018
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,440
you think we go next here in the sports card industry?

1019
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,039
I guess from from this standpoint with maybe this lawsuit

1020
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:17,440
or some of the arbitrations going on.

1021
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: Well, I, for one, I'm a big I want to

1022
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,079
support Paul Esco in his endeavor in what he's doing

1023
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:28,079
to me. He's got an obligation to win a settlement

1024
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:34,519
for his clients. But I hope that it goes beyond

1025
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:40,280
just that. I'm really hoping for change to happen. And

1026
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,880
I know as a hobby we've been debating whether the

1027
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,280
hobby needs regulation or not regulation, or something needs to happen,

1028
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,159
something needs to change. I think this is a good

1029
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:59,280
first step in that process. What happens next, man, it's

1030
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,079
it's it's all in the hands of the arbitrator. I

1031
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:04,800
do know that I think it's gonna be a huge

1032
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,920
decision because that gonna it's gonna set the tone for

1033
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,800
the rest of the industry, I believe, right. So what

1034
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,679
happens next, I don't. I don't know.

1035
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,559
Speaker 2: Adam, go ahead, Jim again, Paul being a seasoned attorney.

1036
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,679
He has fifteen clients. I believe it is his choice

1037
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,599
of which one he wants to put forth first. These

1038
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,039
are separate. This is not a class action, and so

1039
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,480
he could put a very strong case first, or a

1040
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,039
weak case first, whatever he wants to do. He's an

1041
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,760
experienced litigator and he's gonna he's gonna know because he

1042
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,280
understands the hobby, what what is going to put perhaps

1043
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,480
whatnot on the defensive to bring them to the table,

1044
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:47,159
because I don't think they're kind of do fifteen arbitration hearings.

1045
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:49,880
They're gonna they're gonna do one, and both sides are

1046
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,920
gonna hear each other out and say, hey, we got

1047
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,360
a problem. And the plaintiffs are going to say, you know,

1048
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,119
we're not going to get very much money out of them,

1049
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,119
but we could get some institutional change that'd be for

1050
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:01,760
the betterment of the hot and and maybe, like I said,

1051
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,840
maybe they get some what not bucks. But it can't

1052
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,079
be a public settlement where everybody got a big, big

1053
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:11,840
amount of money or that. That's that's no point o right.

1054
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I I you know, it's it's definitely going

1055
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,079
to set a precedent. I think here in the industry

1056
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:20,039
that maybe in need, maybe we need some sort of

1057
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,800
precedent set where companies are gonna need to make some

1058
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
changes to how they're running their business, potentially to you know,

1059
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,639
I don't know, safeguard or add add some sort of

1060
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:32,199
thing that you know, can't allow companies to I don't know,

1061
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:34,519
you know. I At this point, it's really comes down

1062
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,199
to what ends up happening. We don't really know what

1063
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,159
the next steps are. Like Victor was saying, we are,

1064
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,760
you know, kind of coming up here on the top

1065
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,199
of the hour as well. Uh So I'm gonna kind

1066
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,239
of wrap things up. I'm gonna send it back around

1067
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,639
the horn here. Uh you know, Victor, I'll start with you.

1068
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

1069
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts here, any shout outs you want to give,

1070
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,159
let everybody know where they can find you, all that

1071
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:53,880
kind of good stuff.

1072
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got I was reading a question here by

1073
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,800
Able in Vegas. He was asked in a question while

1074
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,400
you were He says, if will you have to be

1075
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,440
twenty one to buy into repacks? Will they lower the

1076
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:12,079
age to eighteen prepacks? That's that's that's a good place

1077
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,159
to I don't know what it is now. Can an

1078
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,440
underage person get into a repack. I can't.

1079
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. Probably, I mean there's probably some sort

1080
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:24,239
of age verification on whatnot, because you need to put

1081
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,239
in money. But it's you know, who's to say some

1082
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:29,519
I don't. I don't know. I'm not sure actually, so yeah,

1083
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:31,320
but that's that's definitely a good question.

1084
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: Problem is repacks or have a higher floor then you

1085
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,119
get with opening boxes and packs. If they're digital repacks,

1086
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,400
then you know what's in the product. Everything's on the

1087
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,039
up and up. You can see what you're gonna get.

1088
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,440
You're paying one hundred bucks, you're gonna get between seventy

1089
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:53,400
five and five hundred dollars, and you know one person

1090
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,000
can get five hundred bucks and a lot of people

1091
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:58,320
can get seventy five. So you're you're you know, you

1092
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,679
have a limitation in the loss, whereas with some of

1093
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,320
these packs you can get So they're that's the problem.

1094
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,880
They're not going to say, hey, you've got to be

1095
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:09,280
at least eighteen to buy a pack of cards. Right,

1096
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,920
So Bob.

1097
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: Boozel wants to know how do we pay off the arbitrator?

1098
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:20,039
Speaker 2: If you know, Bob boozl trouble. But you know, Bob

1099
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,199
Booz will come on and defend yourself with that outrageous. Now,

1100
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,480
the arbitrators they get stuff like that, but here's the thing.

1101
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,719
They're not paid off and they're paid by both, but

1102
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,920
they have more frequent business with the large company. They're

1103
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,480
never going to get another case with plaintiff ABC. But

1104
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:41,840
they're libel if the play if. Because these arbitrators are chosen,

1105
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:44,920
then they have to be mutually acceptable. So they're not

1106
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:48,480
paid off per se, but their bread is more buttered

1107
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:49,039
on one.

1108
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: Side, right yeah, And I mean I guess so, doctor

1109
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,079
Beckett'll ask you the same question I have for Victor here,

1110
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,960
Any any last thoughts, any shoutouts you want to give

1111
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,599
what you got coming up? I know you, you know,

1112
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,480
I know you got the podcast, and if you want

1113
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,960
to give that a shout out, go for it as well.

1114
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,599
Speaker 2: You just did. But I always like to say thank

1115
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:09,119
you Adam for being the quarterback and handing off to

1116
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,800
Victor and me appropriately and it's it's been a great saturday.

1117
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,119
Thank you.

1118
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And actually just jump back to you right quick, Victor,

1119
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,000
you want to give a shout out to any of

1120
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:20,480
your channels, any of that stuff.

1121
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:22,719
Speaker 3: I give a shout out to you, Adam, got to

1122
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,079
check you out on TikTok. You like taking over to

1123
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:29,840
TikTok world. You got job promotion with Sports Card Nonsense.

1124
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,119
Mayn remember me on your way up? Is what I say.

1125
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying my best over here. Yeah, I guess true

1126
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:39,800
r sees. I am going to shout out you Victor,

1127
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,239
true r sees. I think that's the handle everywhere correct.

1128
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, everywhere right, true r sis.

1129
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,239
Speaker 1: Go check out uh, go check out all the stuff

1130
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,280
that Victor's got. Go check out Doctor Jim's Doctor Beckett's podcast.

1131
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,400
If you want to check me out on TikTok it's

1132
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,400
just you know, Adam, Drew Palmer or Instagram or uh

1133
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,679
posting videos on the Sports Cards Nonsense YouTube channel, So

1134
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,760
go check that out. I appreciate everybody in the chat here.

1135
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,000
We will be back next Saturday here on four Collectors

1136
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,639
for another episode of Hobby Hotline. Thank you everybody in

1137
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:10,920
the chat. Thank you to everybody leaving their comments today.

1138
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,159
Appreciate y'all and I'll see you in the next one.

1139
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.

1140
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,920
Just want to remind everyone we are a live show

1141
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:31,360
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1142
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:36,280
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1143
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,880
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1144
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,920
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1145
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,880
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1146
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,920
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1147
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,079
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1148
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1149
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