Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. On
this episode, we're gonna check out some of the headlines
that have happened overnight and in the past few days
and get caught up on where things currently stand as
of this morning. And to do that, we're once again
going to use the Independent headline Idaho murders update, source
reveals victim grab knife as Kaylee Gonsalve's family appeals the
gag order. This article was authored by Rachel Sharp and
Andrea Blanco. Now there's also another article out this morning,
or I guess it came out yesterday from The Daily
Mail talking about the surviving roommate and how one of
Ethan Chapin's relatives made a post on Reddit about the
roommate and about how the roommate didn't act fast enough
and stuff like that. However, what the Daily Mail forgets
to do is let you know that that post was
made literally a few days after the murders, so context,
especially here is very important. We haven't heard anything from
Ethan Chapin's family, at least publicly, that has anything to
do with anything besides talking about Ethan's memory, right and
how they're going to remember their lost son. But this
post from Reddit three months ago, well, it has daily
Mail out here writing an article. And I'm not one
of these people that really piles on Daily Mail. I
think they do pretty good work when it comes to
true crime stuff, and they certainly did good work when
it came to Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. But you
have to have some context here, because it's important. A
lot can change, you know, a few days after the murder,
all the way up until now as far as opinions go.
When you get more information and things are put into
context as a relative and you're hearing from the police
that you know there's suspect who is Brian Koberger, well
it puts things in context for you and hopefully answer
some of the questions you may have. Now, that doesn't
mean there aren't questions that need to be answered around
the surviving roommates. I'm not somebody who believes that they
had anything to do with these crimes, but there's a
lot of things that are missing and a lot of
gaps that need to be filled in. For sure. These
poor girls went through a traumatic experience as well, and
none of us know how we would react. But that
doesn't mean we can't have questions about what went down,
and hopefully we'll get some clarification about all of that
come trial time. But as far as framing it in
this article, like Ethan's family is coming out and questioning
if Dylan had something to do with these crimes without
putting it into context of when that comment allegedly was posted,
well it makes it look like they don't believe what
the police are saying. However, when you read that in
context and you find out that this was four days
after the crime happened, way before the affid David was released,
way before Brian Koberger was arrested, then you start to
see things a little more clearly. Right, if Ethan Chapin's
family truly felt like this, I think we'd be hearing
it from his parents, not from some alleged family member
on Reddit. So while I understand that the Daily Mail
has to drive traffic and keep interest in the story,
but I'm not a big fan of reporting things out
of context to drive clicks. I think that's a bit ridiculous.
But the overall question of what happened that night, what
the roommate's reaction was, and why why she did what
she did. All of that's valid, and all of those questions,
hopefully at some point are going to be answered by
investigators or at the trial. Because remember the defense team,
they're aware of all of this as well. Who knows
what Brian Kolberg and his team are cooking up as
far as what the roommate had to say during those
fateful hours that morning in Moscow, because she's gonna be
put on the witness stand and Ann Taylor is going
to have a chance to cross examiner. So that's going
to be very interesting to see how that all breaks
out and what comes after that cross examination. So instead
of reading that whole Daily Mail article where it's basically
out of context, I figured we just touch on it
real quick before we dove into the rest of the
updates for this morning. So with that said, let's get
to it and let's check on the other headlines. One
of the victims in the Idaho murders reportedly fought the
attacker before she was killed. Sources close to the investigation
told News Nation that slain University of Idaho Xana Kernodle
had suffered wounds to her fingers after repeatedly grabbing the
knife from the killer during the November thirteenth attack, And
if there was that kind of strung, you have to
think that Brian Cohberger's DNA is going to be on
Zana's body. When you have a fight like that and
her fingers are slashed to the degree that they were,
you have to think that she at least got her
hands up and grabbed them at some point and maybe
just maybe some skin or something like that went under
her fingernails. Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin, and her roommates Madison
Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalvez were also murdered that night. Washington
State University criminology PhD student Brian Coohberger has since been
charged with the slayings. Last week, the Gonsalves family attorney
Shannon Gray appealed to gag order in the case that
he described as unconstitutional and fascily overbroad and vague. Fox
News reported. And remember, it's not just Shannon Gray who
thinks that, it's the media as well. Over twenty media
organizations have banned together to challenge the vast scope of
that gag order as well. So it's not just Shannon
Gray and the Gonsalvez family here who believes that the
scope is overbearing. The measure bans investigators, law enforcement personnel, attorneys,
members of both the prosecution and the defense, and any
attorneys representing witnesses, victims or victims families from sharing new
information about the investigation or the suspect. The order issued
by the Leyta County Chief Magistrate on January fourth was
extended on January nineteenth and is set to remain in
place throughout court proceedings until a verdict has been reached
or unless the mandate is modified by the court. So
hopefully it'll get modified by the court and they'll find
a common ground where they protect the integrity of the
case as well as doing the best they can to
ensure that the jury pool is not tainted. But you
have to remember that there's constitutional rights that go along
with all of that, and you can't just trample the
constitution whenever it's convenient for you. The UNI Brian Coberger's
distinct eyebrows may have been among the first in a
string of details that linked him to the Idaho murders.
According to a new report. Airmel's The Eyes of a
Killer Part Two offers a vivid description of the Moscow
police hunt for evidence that would ultimately materialize in mister
Coburger's arrest for the murders of four University of Idaho students,
based on an affet David released earlier this month in
sources close to the investigation, and those eyebrows being so
bushy happened to be the distinguishing feature that the surviving
roommate remembered, And then when she reported that, things started
to snowball from there when they started looking at people
who owned the launtras and vehicles that were close in
the description to the one that Brian Coburger owned, and
then when they pieced it all together and started stitching
it up, led them to Brian Coburger. According to her report,
a lead investigator first had in inkling that mister Coburger
would become a suspect in the crime after he ran
the Washington State University PhD student's license plate and noticed
his bushy eyebrows. One of the surviving roommates at eleven
twenty two, King wrote home had recounted how she unknowingly
saw her friend's killer leaving the scene before going back
into her room in a state of shock. The woman
said the killer was wearing a mask, but his bushy
eyebrows stood out to her, so all she really got
was a description of what he looked like as far
as how tall he was, was he fat, was he skinny, athletic, muscular, whatever?
And then the clincher, the one thing that he didn't
have covered up was those bushy eyebrows, and that one
little detail, added up with all of the other stuff
that they had come up with, led them to Brian Coburger,
and using the entirety of that evidence, they were able
to build that probable cause and strong probable cause to
go after him and eventually get a judge to sign
off on arresting him. But that's the easy part. Getting
the judge to sign off on a probable cause warrant
isn't the most difficult thing in the world. It's certainly
not getting a jury to believe what you want them
to believe. And that's what the prosecution is going to
have to do. Their job is going to be to
turn all of these allegations into concrete proof. Are they
going to be able to do that, Well, that's the
million dollar question, And what we see so far is strong.
What we see so far seems to be the foundational
building blocks for a conviction, but like usual, I always
leave some room for things to go south. New evidence
can be introduced to the case, there can be prosecutorial misconduct,
just a whole slew of things that could possibly go wrong.
So this certainly in some slam dunk that they're gonna
get a conviction on. And the prosecution has to continue
to be on their game and they have to continue
to build these blocks on top of each other so
that a jury believes that Brian Koberger, the man the
government says killed those four college students, gets convicted. And
if they can't make that case and they can't put
those pieces together, then well the conversation is gonna be
something else entirely, all right, folks, that's gonna do it
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