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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the it

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Welcome to Dairy series. I think it's the first time

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I've smoothly said the title, which is good because we

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are our rush and I screwed that up. We are

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at the penultimate episode of this series, episode seven. I

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am the dancing podcaster. Trust Now I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: Hey, my name is Dylan Muss.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are here. It's a weird time because it's

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like the show. It's not that I forget the show's

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going on, but there's sometimes I do a little bit.

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Maybe that speaks to the quality, and I don't think

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it's like a bat like. I think it's like a

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you know, we'll just get right into Because I was

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not here last week. I feel like, and hopefully for

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the finale, we should have all three of us on.

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I feel like we're on different wavelengths where I feel like,

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You're definitely the most down on the show. I don't

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know this episode, but overall, I feel like the most down.

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Taylor's definitely the most highest, and I feel like I'm

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like right maybe not right in the middle, I'd say

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leaning towards Taylor, but it's just like I'm finding Myself.

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So last week I enjoyed that episode. I think this

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episode is a really good one. I think there's some

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good moments in here. I think there's some really dark

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stuff in here. I think, you know, mine's supposed to

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be like I feel like, if people are waiting for

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Bill Scarsgard, this is the episode where it's like, Okay,

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you're gonna get a good amount of him, right, So

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I think he delivers there. I think there's some fun

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stuff too, where he's doing things that he's not got

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to do before in this series perhaps, so that's good.

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So and but now next week's the finale. So I

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just feel like almost every week that I've still enjoyed it.

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I think, other than maybe maybe week one, a week two,

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and I find each week I finish it, I'm enjoying it.

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But I'm never like, oh, I can't wait till next week.

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And it's not like when I consume the episode, I'm like,

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oh man, no, it's not like that like a secret

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invasion or something like that for me personally. But yeah,

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I enjoyed this episode. I think there was a lot

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of intense stuff in here. I think there's a scene

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that I'm very fifty percent on because I think there's

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good stuff happening in it, and I like the idea

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of it, but I also think it's shown away where

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clearly that they're trying, like it's they're shown away where

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they don't want to danger the actors and they also

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want to keep it on a budget. And it just

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it feels like there's some cool stuff going on, but

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it feels like it is also kind of distracting. But yeah,

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and I feel the end of this episode set up

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very much to I'll be very curious if this gets

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a season two, because we get it and then it

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chapter two and then this it feels like they're kind

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of all ending in a similar fashion. You know, there's

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definitely some new stuff going on by me, like just

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the I'll say, like the very end of this episode,

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I feel like has happened in both movies that leads

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to the third act of the movies and here we

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are again doing this another character. So uh, yeah, I

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enjoyed Bill. I think there's some, like I said, some

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really good moments. There's some grotesta stuff. This is definitely

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the darkest episode the show so far. This is a

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really kind of dreadful episode. Like it's not a happy

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and again that's why it's another time. You know, I

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got the Christmas tree behind me. Still find it awe

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wonder how people are vining with this that are like

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into the big hork of me right, Like is this

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something you would be like, Ah, I'm gonna come back

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to this later on and then ever come back to

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it just feels like if you're in the holiday cheer,

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this is definitely not the episode. There's clown violence, there's

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human violence. It's it's not a good time in that way.

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I enjoy I still enjoyed it for the most part.

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talk about the finale because I feel like there's some

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storylines that they're gonna keep open to try and get

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that season too. But I don't even know how it's

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gonna work because I think there's one thing in particularly

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they're gonna try and leave off, and it feel like

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they kind of close that loop. So yeah, I still

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enjoy this. Had some questions, but yeah, what do you

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think about this tomb?

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like out. I'm just I've kind of tapered off, and

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one I guess underlying thing that's really not a huge

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vault for the show, but it's kind of I guess

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it's been like lurking in the background the whole that

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was kind of talked about more this week, and I

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really really don't like that, and I feel like you

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probably don't either, if I had to guess. And then

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that's where the other scenes. I feel like every episode

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has had a couple of good scares in it, which

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is nice, you know, obviously for the material we've had,

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this episode didn't really have that so much. In my opinion,

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you could definitely make a case for a couple of scenes,

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but I think it replaces that with like a big,

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more action y sort of set piece, which for me

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and I think that's kind of we're hinting out. I

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didn't look super great and was really drawn out in

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like one character interaction in particular that's just like so

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goofy for me, even though it was supposed to be

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like really heartfelts and sincere and all that sort of stuff.

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like one plot point in here that kind of leads

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to our cliffhanger that is just like a head scratcher. Again,

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really sloppy in this show. It just feels we're kind

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of just meandering from locational location in some way. So

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a big fun finale, and I'm sure it'll be a

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good enough time to watch. And I think that's where

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I'm at, Like, you know, this show's fine. It's not

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like I'm tearing my hair out watching it or anything

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like that. But I think the last few episodes have

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just felt extremely lukewarm, and so I've just kind of

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been waning in that way. So yeah, I'm sure we'll

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close it out in a big way, but it also

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feels like it'll probably be mostly predictable. I guess, like, really,

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at the end of the day, just because this is

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a prequel, right, So I don't know, I didn't really

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care much for this episode personally.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, there we go. Well, we're gonna break it down.

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So if you've not seen this episode, you know, come

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back later. But usually the two shows, I feel like

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you have, so we will take our first ad break

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and then we'll be right back and we're back. So

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what was the story you were saying of the one

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you're not You said, it's kind of been looming in

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the background, and you were a fan.

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and the information we got here, because we talked about

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that from the beginning, like where are they going with this?

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all these other characters. Of course it ties in with

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like crazy stuff that's going on in the town. But

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then we get to this section in here and they

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like recover this one artifact that Hallerin found because of

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this vision he was having, and then they bring it

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back to the military base and they're gonna smelt it down,

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I guess, or just like destroy it with the objective

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that the US military wants to inflict whatever, like disease

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what James Ramar is saying. It's like, Okay, so we're

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taking this like small, goofy little town of Dairy, and

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we're gonna the US's government is to uh the plan

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is to separate kind of that. I don't know. I

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guess that what's what's the word? Like the way people

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are I guess the what's what's the word? I'm looking

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for vision? No, not the division, just yeah, I guess

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like the way the way people are acting, like the

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you know the fact that people don't really do much here.

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let that spiral out to the rest of the states.

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I just don't like the scale jump that we had

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here from Dairy too huge America plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's now we I think we all

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were a little i'll say uneasy, but just unsure where

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this was going right. And I think with this storyline overall,

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I think taking out just pure uh, just make it

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pure story and ejective wise, I'm not a fan of it.

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I would failed on that grade. I still end up

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liking the you know, Hamlin senior, and I still I've

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still liked all the Dick halla Ran stuff. Obviously a

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big shine guy. I have talked about that, but even

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this episode, I think it led to some good stuff.

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you know, James Ormar, but I think in this episode

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there was just multiple things going on. Where Okay, so

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we once again did James Larmer lying again, right, Because

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at first it's like, well, some people attacked you and

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we're going to wrestle. It's like, well, really that was

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a test. Oh I uh, I don't remember much about

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Darry until I got here. Well, actually I remember everything

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about Darry, and now once I took some drugs, and

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now it's like, oh, you know what we're gonna do

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to save the world, to fight the Russians, it's not

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actually what we're doing. So it's just like the third time,

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it's like all right, and I guess like there's some

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shows I feel like that can do that where it's like, oh,

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this guy he keeps lying and like, I feel breaking bad.

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rooting for, but he keeps lying and you're like, man, okay,

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and the lies are so good, but now it just

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seems kind of hokey. And and the thing with the

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speech is kind of two things I have issues with

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with one. The beginning of the speech is very I

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get it. I'm fine for political stuff, but just very

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on the notes for what's going on America, just like

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we're so torn apart, everybody can't get together race and say,

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like he just said, he's listening to every sort of

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hot button issue that's happening in twenty twenty five and

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doing it now. And it just feels like that character

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is we don't know enough about him, so it doesn't

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feel naturally like that's how it feels or how he feels.

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is always good because sometimes people can watch the show

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maybe they are woke up as something. Oh I didn't

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think about this perspective, right, And I don't mind the

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idea as far as Okay, I love this in Watchmen.

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I think we've talked about this before, maybe all an

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after not like or more like a bread and butter

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and whatnot, but like, and I think what they're trying

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to draw a line to you, right if they're talking

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about America right now, and I'll just say North American general,

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because I say after Canada and COVID things got a

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little divided. I think what they're trying to draw a

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line here is like after nine to eleven, America was

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like solid, right, Like once that big event happened, everyone

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gone the save wavelength. And I think they're trying to

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say that they want anywise, Like if the American people

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know every twenty seven years they're gonna get killed by

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a clown or something, they're gonna come together. And that's

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the bigger issue, right, the fear. So I don't mind that.

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I don't think it's written greatly here. But I think

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my issue is just the night before we had a

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bunch of cops or previous cops, some townspeople just kill

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a bunch of people because they wouldn't give this you know,

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African American guy over that was probably innocent, right, So

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it's not if the if the dairy was, hey, everyone's

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kind of a little bit off, but everyone was still

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like overly nice and didn't hurt each other, you'd kind

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of be like, Okay, it's kind of like a fake happiness,

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but it's happy, but it's not The people are still

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like Hamlin hit his son last week, Like that's the thing.

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So that's what makes sense to me. Of like, I

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get the idea of okay, we unite against one common fear, absolutely,

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but the I want people to be like Dairy, I

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wanted to be like a day to become America. It's

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it's like, well, this sounds awful, So this doesn't make

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really any sense to me. He even says that the speech,

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He's like, look what happened last night. Those people were butchered.

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It's like, well, I don't I don't know what we're

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doing here. So I think it's just kind of a

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it's a lot of political and life messages all roll

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up the one and it just doesn't make sense for

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just kind of what we've been doing for this, I

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would say it wouldn't make sense. It feels forced. I'll say,

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's a goofy the way James Lamar is like,

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see how relaxed and chilled and like you use different words,

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but he's like today everyone's doing all so good. It's like,

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do we want more of this? It's like, dude, they're

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fucking devastated. It's still like the morning, like everyone is

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learning information, yes, and obviously like we get like a

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little news report and it's kind of just spreading fake

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news to an extent as well. So it's like the

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people in the town don't even necessarily know what happened, right,

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Like they they're getting like an extremely skewed version of

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like the reality of it. So how could they like

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react in any other way other than just like disbelief

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and trying to understand just mere hours after it occurred.

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Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that that piece that they built because

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the kids, they still have the one like sharred sword piece.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I believe Lily still has it, right yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like that's what's gonna happen, right, whatever

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location they put it in, they're gonna put it back

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there so they kind of seal the borders. Because I

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have to think the show is going to do that

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because to me, if I'm because I remember when we

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started the show and we were talking about the origins.

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I think it's like episode three or four, and they

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explained that it's kind of like a border right around Dare.

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around He's stuck in this location. That makes sense why

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Darry's raw in town because the clown can't leave. But

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if they, I think they will, I'm giving them the

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massive benefit of doubt here if they don't put that

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sword there or answer that, it's gonna be odd watching

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it one and two and realizing that Pennywise is gonna

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like pimped off at any time, you know, like there

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is just like yeah. They even said like you're gonna

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leave the gate open, So I feel like they that's

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what I imagine next week the kids are they gonna

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have to save the Hamling kid and they're gonna drop

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the you know, the sword back there. And then they

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I think, right, because they had the uh I can't

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remember his name, but the guy that got brainwashing in

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the information, he was watching with the binoculars, right, so

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I feel like he has to be have something cooking

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right to try to fix this or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And because I'm gonna ask you about that too,

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because like the end of this episode or like I

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guess kind of yeah, nearing the end, we have the

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moment where the military uh roasts up that one shard,

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and then Pennywise is in like his like hibernation blood bath,

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body bath thing, which I really love that shot. That shot, yeah,

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super super good. Then he emerges from that, and then

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we next seem at at Will's house and that's kind

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of the cliffhanger of the episode. But like the other people,

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like that main group of like the local people who

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have lived here forever, they're like, oh, yeah, like he's

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fed enough, his cycle is over. He's gone back into hibernation.

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so he came out of hybernation. And then by Lily

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putting that one shard back, it's gonna re establish that

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because obviously we know that he does go back into hibernation, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's a lot of heavy lifting eye.

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Speaker 2: To do, like does each shard correlate to like six

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years of hibernation or something like? Is that what's going

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on here?

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Speaker 1: No? I think what's going on to me is and

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I think this is where they'll try to explain it

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next week, and I think it's heavy lifting, but they

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did try to explain it. Shout out, you know the

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movie will be out next year. A couple Upscoes episodes

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ago they were they used the word adrenochrome. They talked

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about what adrenochrome is. I think the idea is they

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moved this piece of rock, this part gets open, because

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that was the thing that we're that handling. Can it lives?

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He can't. They're like technically like at a dairy a

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little bit, right, So I think what they're going with

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is penny Wise is so like like like salvating this

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kid's fear. For whatever reason, he wanted to get like

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one more before he hibernated, because to me, it would

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make no sense of if he's supposed to hibernate, if

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one like gate opening, why would it be like, well,

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I'm not hibernate anymore, right, I'm just gonna go back

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out and keep doing more. And like it's like you said,

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it is like a oh, every six years something happens

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when you move these songs bets again, that's way too Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's a good that must be what it is Yeah,

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that makes more sense for sure.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's what it is, and I think

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they'll probably do something next week where penny Wise will

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just say, hey, it was just so yummy, it's so good,

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and I don't know, like I agree with you. I

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really like that shot because we've never seen actually, like

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in the series or here, penny Wise actually kind of hibernating. Right.

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Obviously he didn't he woke up, but still was kind

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of that like idea of Okay, he's going down for

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his long sleep and it's blood and just so you

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just kind of think that I guess he's just laying

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there and then whenever he's hungry, he just reaches up,

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grabs some bone and then goes back down, you know.

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So it's like a cool thing there. The only thing

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was I was of two minds and this is just

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it doesn't really make that much sense, but just bugging

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me a little. Where when he gets to the Handling kid,

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I love the effect where he's still like the blood

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from his nose all the way down. But every time

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Pennywise appears, he's always like transforming in something, right, Like

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they're almost making it seem like he was in the

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blood so this would stay on him, but really he

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should just like he could turn into anything in the blood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind I'm kind of surprised that his hibernation

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form is Pennywise. I would have thought it would be like, yeah,

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more entity like whatever he actually looks like underneath all

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the disguises and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess I guess not, and probably a

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good idea because they don't want to like fully show

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like because you know, it's tough. I think, like I

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think he's supposed to be like a spider and the

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chapter two they made him in a hybrid or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was another thing that bothered me about

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this episode. And maybe you did give a good defense

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port of like Will was like outside this supposed barrier,

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but to me again, for the parents to like leave

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him there alone, it's like, oh my god, how dumb

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are you? And that's just another thing that really bothers

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me about just so many the little like convenience plot

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things in this Like I feel like there probably should

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have been like maybe maybe I don't know what it

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would because I guess it is location based to some extent,

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but like even they brought him with them and then

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you know, he like went into another room or something

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then Pennyways lured him or something. But for them to

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just leave him at home after all this shit just happened,

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I'm like, that does not make sense to me for

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what these characters are, especially like how protective that mom,

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Like when she sees her kid again, I'm giving her

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more credit than the dad. But when they see Will

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when they show up to the crime scene to recover

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him and just like that look of relief, Oh my god,

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he's okay, and then like mere hours later, like, yeah,

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you just stay home. We trust that you're not gonna

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leave the house even though you've done it like seventeen

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times at this point, and we're gonna go leave like

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right after this event. It just didn't really make sense

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to me. So I might be nitpicking, but that it

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I just like so many things like that have happened

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in the show that it's really grind in my gears.

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Speaker 1: Well, because I'm with you too. There's two things that

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maybe I'm wrong on the second part, but the first

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part is not even take out the penny Wise and stuff.

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You just had a bunch of white people get together

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and kill a bunch of African Americans, right, and you're

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connected to the situation, both of you, and it's like,

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what if they're gonna for yourself? And maybe I was wrong?

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This is the second part. Did they say if they

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were going to bring the guy that's the wanting criminal

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to their house? Did they say that?

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Speaker 2: I didn't catch that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I thought like, what are we gonna do with him?

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And I thought the handling Senior was like, oh, just

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bring them our place on time, So maybe I won't.

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I won't complain about that unless that happens next week

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if that is the case, and then bring the guy

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that's wanted for murder and just cause this whole barn

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and get brought down. Also very questionable movement. Yeah, of

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course he's innocent, but maybe like hotel rumors, I get it.

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It's like or like, I don't know, somewhere like bringing

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to the house maybe not the best idea, or at

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least bring the kids somewhere else. I don't know, but

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uh yeah, it feels a little easy just to be like, oh,

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let's go home, right, because it's it's not just the

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penny Wise stuff, and they kind of have an idea

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of this stuff's going on, So I agree with you.

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It's a it's just a little easy. And that's where

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I was talking about. I can't remember who gets taken

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in it chapter two. I guess they go down there.

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But this that scene was pretty much just the exact

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same that they do with Beverley in a chapter one,

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right where she's on the phone, turns around, boom, he

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gets her. This was a little bit different. Bill Scarsgard

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does a little jump off the fridge or something like that.

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But again that's like, okay, so I guess that's probably

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the finale. Right as kids go down to the well,

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they fight penny Wise, and I kind of hope other

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than because I think the handling kid has to make

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it out, I kind of hope this sounds bad. I

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hope all the kids die and he's like the only

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one makes it, Like they kind of give themselves. That's

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kind of like, oh, well, yeah, we weren't strong enough.

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Because it's just I feel like it's kind of I'm fine,

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I guess with the every odd kid making out. But

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if all these kids go down to penny Wise and

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beat them or whatever, and then in eighties, you know,

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these kids beat him again, it's like, well, he's pretty

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real week, but especially in this like fire barn situation,

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he was kind of popping off. He was taking all

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a lot and he wasn't even taking them back. He's

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just eating them right there and everything. So it just

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feels like, especially in this show, and I've seen other

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people bring this up, he feels a lot more powerful,

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which I'm kind of fine because we've said before maybe

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in the eightieses more cocky or and whatnot. But if

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he again, to me loses here, it's like, well, why

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in the eighties is he not like maybe prepared, like

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oh man, last time, just a bunch of little kids

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killed me. Maybe I shouldn't kind of play with my food.

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But I don't know. Maybe next week they will be

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bold and killed them all off, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Because who's it would be Lily, Ronnie and what's that

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I always forget the other friends the shitty friend's name Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the pirate ye.

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Speaker 2: So obviously she's got the motivation now because of Rich

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Rich's death. Yeah, And then I feel like Ronnie and

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Lily's motivations also makes sense to want to go down

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or even accepted their risks. So I feel like and

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maybe that was part of the reason why they killed

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rich Off in this episode is just to space out

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some of those deaths a bit more, have a couple

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episodes worth of mourning, I guess, and I mean, frick,

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I feel like at least half the episodes in this

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show I've had child deaths in them, which is pretty

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intense stuff. But that is par for the course with

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its content, which.

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Speaker 1: Is crazy because they just feel like that was when

470
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,720
we started this podcast. I know what happened, but I

471
00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:12,519
feel like that was such a such a rarity to

472
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,160
see in mainstream stuff, you know, not like Independent or

473
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,799
four and stuff and mainstream stuff. It was like, you

474
00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:19,559
don't really kill kids, you don't kill dogs.

475
00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:19,759
Speaker 2: You know.

476
00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 1: It's like from then we've gone John Wick and you

477
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,519
got it, and you got a bunch of other stuff

478
00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:25,319
like Game of Thrones, Like it just feels like a

479
00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,960
lot of the stuff is, you know, all for the course.

480
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,359
And yeah, they think about back to first episode, right,

481
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,200
they start off by killing those three kids, and now

482
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,000
we lost rich and you know, I liked that scene.

483
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,640
That's where I think I think even with that look

484
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,680
of the fire, which yeah, I don't think it was

485
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,599
the greatest because it kind of just looked like they

486
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,839
added an extra smoke filter to make it not look

487
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,759
as bad, but then it just was. It's like the

488
00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:47,519
nighttime hard to see things, where it's like, okay, I

489
00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:50,079
see some silhouettes, but it just doesn't look visually great.

490
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,920
I think maybe if you just cut even five minutes

491
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,480
off that scene, because I feel like there's a lot

492
00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:57,119
of people just run around. I get it they're going

493
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,839
for like the one continued shot thing, but with this

494
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,240
it didn't, I won't say not feel impressive. It just

495
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,160
didn't feel as grandiose, because it did feel like, oh,

496
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,759
this is one that really feels like it's digitally altered editing,

497
00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:10,039
you know, because all the smoke at any point just

498
00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:12,519
oh whoosh of smoke and then all look a new

499
00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,279
frame and they do that multiple times. But like that's

500
00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:17,160
where I actually, you know, I liked the hollering trying

501
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,039
to save the kids or ann or yeah, hollering trying

502
00:21:20,039 --> 00:21:21,599
to say the kids. I did like the rich scene

503
00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:24,160
of him, you know, saving saving the girl, you know,

504
00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:26,640
fun noble thing. I liked this little speech there, so

505
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,079
you know, I thought that was a cute moment but

506
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,119
in a heartfelt moment. But yeah, that's why, I'd say,

507
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,359
it's just that scene. Maybe take it down a little bit.

508
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,880
I did like penny Wise is revealed though as far

509
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,039
as just this, you know, lady's seeing this clown. I'll

510
00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:43,119
help you out here. And then just he's just he

511
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,640
did a lot of biting this episode, you.

512
00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:48,599
Speaker 2: Know he did. Yeah, he also had a crazy fucking

513
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,440
slice on that guy's head that was Yeah, that was

514
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,160
a wild shot. And then just takes like a nibble

515
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:53,720
out of there too.

516
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,599
Speaker 1: He didn't taste good. I don't think you.

517
00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 2: Don't think so well, he kind of looked like he

518
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:58,960
tasted very good.

519
00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:00,799
Speaker 1: If he threw him away, right, he must have not

520
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:02,279
been that good. But yeah, and he's walking on that

521
00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:05,279
meat cleaver for this episode. That's that's not what I saw.

522
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,440
But yeah, what did you I guess I guess to

523
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,759
kind of go back to the beginning because I was

524
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:13,279
gonna ask about the little resolution there at the very

525
00:22:13,319 --> 00:22:15,680
beginning we get to which I actually really enjoyed all

526
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,640
this stuff. I like to see we go back to

527
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,640
maybe was this the thirties or like the nineteen.

528
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: Hundreds, what'll be in right now?

529
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: We're in the sixties, right.

530
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: So I think it would be the yeah, it's either

531
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,400
thirty or it would be either the thirty or sixty year.

532
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,720
I think it's the thirty years before, right.

533
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,759
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so we go back to kind of what

534
00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:38,920
we've heard before of like this, you know, Pennywise a

535
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:42,799
dancing a dancing clown the Carnival Act. But I like this.

536
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,440
I think people have said this in the book and

537
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,920
I read the book a long time ago, or I

538
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,880
don't know if this is something that's added in some

539
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,759
other books because King has a connected universe. But I

540
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,279
kind of forgot that. I thought penny Wise posed as

541
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,519
his cont like I guess he did, but either I

542
00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,039
forgot or did not know that it was an actual

543
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,519
man like a because last episod when they introduce it,

544
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:04,480
I was like, I don't know if I like the

545
00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:08,680
idea of like p Anywise, like reprocreating or anything, like

546
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,240
I don't want to get into the whole like how

547
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:12,599
does this work? And does this daughter of powers? So

548
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,599
I like that the line where I actually liked everything

549
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:17,920
with Bill when he's doing the whole act, that was

550
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,839
tons of fun. I like the scene with his daughter,

551
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,319
like when he's just outside he's drinking his smoke and

552
00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:25,119
he hates life, like he's just trying to get back

553
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,480
to the circus. And I love the first thing that

554
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,119
it's taking the shape as a kid and it walks.

555
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,480
It just says, oh, kids are really attracted to you.

556
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,720
And I thought, oh, that's great because like this it

557
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,640
thing is a predator, right, so it notices, Hey, how

558
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,880
could I feed more? How could I get more? Well,

559
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,680
people really like this clown. I'm gonna become this clown,

560
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,920
I wonder. And I guess maybe that's what the second

561
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,559
season would be is seeing like I'm guessing he's around

562
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:51,319
a lot. So it's just like did he did like

563
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,680
did they raise how much did he raise this kid

564
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,119
or whatnot? So I like all the past stuff. I

565
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,559
like the concept. When we got to the resolution of

566
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:02,119
the adult daughter, didn't really like much of that, but

567
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,640
I'll hand it off to you. But I was not

568
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,039
a fan of uh oh.

569
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we got there before I go. I'm curious

570
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,039
about like this stuff from that last week too, like

571
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,480
how would you feel about her creeping around town hide

572
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:13,599
behind trees and stuff.

573
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: I was fine with it then, but I'm less fine

574
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,480
with it now because to me, the resolution, I thought, okay,

575
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:23,200
so I guess I'll say it here. When she walks

576
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,279
up to him and it sounds like she gave the

577
00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:28,319
information of the racist people, right, and then she walks

578
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,160
in the Penny way, I say, oh, well, I knew

579
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,559
this would bring on fear and hate and pain, and

580
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:34,920
that would bring out so to me, I thought, Okay,

581
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,400
this is a person that knows it's the clown or

582
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,039
the like. It's a supernatural thing, right, and they've bought in,

583
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,960
whether they think that's their dad or if something's taken

584
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,359
over their dad. So that, okay, we've seen that before,

585
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,759
Stockholm syndrome, greater power, whatever. But then when he does something,

586
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:51,559
he gives her a look and she's like, you're not

587
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,000
my dad. It's like, so what So that's what I

588
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:56,599
want to say this whole time. Did you think your

589
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,680
dad got these huge powers? Why did he disappear? Why

590
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,039
is he younger than you? So when I thought she

591
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,119
was in on the supernatural bit, I was like, oh,

592
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,079
I'm kind of fine they're creeping around doing stuff because

593
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,559
she's just kind of like a just a servant to

594
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240
penny Wise, right, like his egor. But now it's just

595
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,200
I'm I'm left a lot more questions and it made

596
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,960
me dislike that stuff more last week, So I.

597
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: Think I'm in a similar boat. Like feels like he

598
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,240
raised like five dollars in poker and she's like, oh,

599
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:24,759
I got a fool. It's like I can't, I can't

600
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:28,079
match that. That's way it's way too much money. Because yeah,

601
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,200
I just I really didn't. I just felt like, after

602
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:35,880
all these years, like she's obviously got something pretty crazy

603
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,920
going on in her brain and her mind that she's

604
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,599
still doing this, she's trying to find solutions. She probably

605
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,240
I feel like she would accept that her dad isn't

606
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,680
like alive anymore and whatever she's chasing is clearly not

607
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,519
him and like in his original form, whatever it is.

608
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,720
And so I don't know, maybe we'll get more of

609
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,240
that context next week, because she's obviously not.

610
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah and shed he like do remember she's yeah, So

611
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,920
I guess she's still maybe doing crazy stuff, but she's

612
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,920
nowhere in it chapter one, right, So it's not like,

613
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:06,480
but that's.

614
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: That was all penny Wise though, right the old lady.

615
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yes, you're right, but it's yeah, No, I

616
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,720
guess you're right. That is just penny Wise. So what

617
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:15,839
is she? What's she up to then you know.

618
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I think some of

619
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,920
the flashback stuff, some of it was okay. I think

620
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,839
I just and I said this either last week or

621
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,440
two weeks ago, but it's just more than I want

622
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,839
to know about this character. Like to me, it takes

623
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,599
away a lot of the mystery, the unknown, the jenesse Qua.

624
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,920
It just it just answers too many questions and is

625
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,000
putting too much logic to something. It's just kind of

626
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:43,759
over explaining, which I feel like a lot of this

627
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,079
show is kind of doing in some way. So I

628
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,960
don't know, I don't think it's necessarily executed poorly. I

629
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,839
guess I just wish I didn't have this piece of lore.

630
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,920
I kind of I kind of don't want this much

631
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,200
information on Pennywise. I like, I liked having him as

632
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,880
this really ambiguous creature in a sense, and I just

633
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,279
feel like this, I mean, there's a whole lot of

634
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,480
questions for her. Yeah, it's just it's just been too much.

635
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,440
And yeah, so the I think I'm feeling similarly on

636
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720
the and the periwinkle stuff. I just yeah, I didn't

637
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,440
like the way she folded there at the end. So

638
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,759
I don't know. What do you think is going on

639
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,039
with that character, because like it seemed like she was

640
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,359
faking dead to is faking dead to get taken somewhere.

641
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,480
But now if she like throws a little look over

642
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,319
to the kids, but that is that just Pennywise like

643
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,799
through her body, because he's like mind controlling her at

644
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,319
this point because he did the he did the three

645
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,240
lights on her or whatever.

646
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: I think it's just that, because I think it's not.

647
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:34,720
I think it is kind of some of the mind

648
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,839
control's kind of like the Henry Bauers thing, where Henry

649
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,279
Bowers is still kind of a messed up guy or kid,

650
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,799
but Penny Wise is gonna exploit that and make him

651
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,480
do certain things. I think just kind of what it'd

652
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:49,240
be the kind of influence him a little, you know,

653
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:50,559
kind of push you to go that way. And that's

654
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,799
where maybe she does something, I guess next week to

655
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,319
these kids to help out. But she looked pretty secure

656
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,839
in that gurney, like I don't know if she's getting

657
00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:59,319
out right away, and I don't know if I need that.

658
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,599
And yeah, it's kind of odd because when they did

659
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,880
this whole Okay, I think you're my dad, You're not

660
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,920
my dad, because I will say, like I said, I've

661
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,160
I liked all that stuff, and I kind of thought, oh,

662
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,440
what season two could be and there could be some

663
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,079
interest there for me as far as I think, if

664
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,200
done right, there's a fun way of Okay, this guy

665
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,480
comes back posing as her dad, and what is that like?

666
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,079
As far as but I guess then too, why wouldn't

667
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,160
he just eat her? Right? Like? Because I just I

668
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,519
just thought about because I thought, oh, was there a

669
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:28,440
season there? Like season two? If they're going back that's

670
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,640
the plan. It's like, oh, is that the story where

671
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,079
instead of this time a bunch of kids figuring out,

672
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,119
it's this kid figuring out, oh, my dad is this

673
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,680
thing right? And you can kind of see these hints

674
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,759
and whatnot. But that's where it's just like, if anybody's

675
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,640
can shape shifts into anything, why would he even have

676
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,359
to keep the cover up? Per se shot it down

677
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,279
right away? I'm like, oh, that could be interesting ideas,

678
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:48,799
like oh maybe just for like an episode we saw

679
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,160
it here where okay with them doing it here wasn't

680
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,440
the wasn't the greatest, And but I do like the

681
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,519
idea of like how the cautu was. I love how

682
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,160
I hit the wig, and I love how okay when

683
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,839
it becomes it just becomes the full kind of melted together.

684
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,799
So I like the origins of taking the idea of

685
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:04,960
this clown, like, oh, I'm gonna use this to get people,

686
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,400
but I think the baggage what came with it out

687
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,319
after but you know, he was I did actually still

688
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:11,640
like Bill on that scene though, because he was a

689
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,920
maniacalve when she's talking to him, and I feel like

690
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,960
he's trying to like he's playing with her a little bit,

691
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,880
but I felt like he's thinking about what he's gonna do.

692
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,119
But then he decides all like he does that classic

693
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,160
turn thing and the you know, the drools coming out,

694
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:25,039
like okay's he's locked in. It's not yeah, it's over

695
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,759
for you, you know yeah.

696
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:31,519
Speaker 2: And it's interesting like going back to that scene of yeah,

697
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Pennywise the ND being like the little boy up in

698
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,599
like that creepy barn shed, watching like the performance down below,

699
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,440
seeing Oh the kids love Slash. I don't know if

700
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,960
they necessarily love the clown because they kind of like

701
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,799
are ragging on him and making fun of him and

702
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:47,359
like kicking him off the stage and stuff. But at

703
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,559
least he's able to like bring kids towards him, which

704
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,279
is really like all Pennywise actually cares about doesn't necessarily

705
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,240
need to be liked in that same way, just needs

706
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,079
to want to get interacted with, I guess is the

707
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,680
way to put it. And then but you would think like, okay, well,

708
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,400
what's you'd have to think like as these years pass

709
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,880
and the circus when we skip thirty years from now,

710
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,519
thirty years from that with chapter one, chapter two, and

711
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,039
the circus isn't really a thing that's sought after anymore,

712
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,799
and kids aren't just like, oh, I want to be

713
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,279
near this clown as much because the perception changes, like

714
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,359
I don't know, would it Pennywise then not? Or yeah,

715
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,720
the entity whatever it, would it not want to update

716
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,599
its appearance and maybe adapt into something that's a bit

717
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,559
more desirable. And that's where it almost felt like, oh,

718
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,480
is he like passing now over to this woman, like

719
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,680
this daughter character, like maybe she'd be a good way

720
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,960
to lure people in. But obviously that's like not what

721
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,200
happens in the future, so that's not what he's doing there.

722
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,400
He just recruiting her for some other particular reason. But

723
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:46,119
I guess that just makes me wonder too, like why

724
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,440
hasn't he reconstructed his identity in the future to something

725
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,119
that's fit more fitting for I don't know. I guess

726
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,839
that those movies take place in like nineteen nineties and

727
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960
like twenty fifteen or whatever.

728
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,119
Speaker 3: Eighties for that one, right, eighties, but even for now, right,

729
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,559
because there's I don't like in the sixties, like I

730
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,759
know there was probably like circuses around, but I don't, like,

731
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:09,359
I don't know if that was the thing.

732
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: It's not something you're just like seeing in past yet

733
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:12,039
like you have.

734
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: To in that era. It makes sense, right because it's

735
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,559
like it's a form entertainment. And also that even which

736
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:18,160
I like they talk about the circus and he kind

737
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,519
of talks about he's missing it's like, oh, one dame

738
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:21,400
and I get back there. So it kind of feels

739
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,799
like these carnival shows kind of might be for like

740
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:25,799
the lower class pool, right, like that couldn't afford to

741
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,559
go to the circus. So this is a clown that

742
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:30,240
comes in the town, does some entertainment, and you know,

743
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,200
you throw them a couple of checkls or something like that.

744
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,319
So that's where it's like in this era, it's completely

745
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:36,839
believable but even in this show in the sixties, obviously

746
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:38,680
in the sixties fifties, we were not alive. I'm just

747
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480
trying to think even back then, like what would you do?

748
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:44,359
And I guess maybe I wonder if I'm trying to

749
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,200
answer my question, like that's why we didn't see the

750
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200
clown too much? If they could say that, right, because

751
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,079
even the fifties and sixties was a clown, you know?

752
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Was that was that something that kids were flocking to

753
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,400
and everything? I like, I don't think so, and then

754
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:58,200
they and even then too, like when we get to

755
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,119
the eighties, I guess he he is penny Wise a

756
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,599
few times, but I guess I don't know.

757
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:08,319
Speaker 2: Does he really care if they're kids? Though, I don't know,

758
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,599
because I think part of the Pennywise identity is that

759
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:12,480
was a good one to lure in kids. But I

760
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,920
don't know if he yes, he doesn't really care too

761
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,960
much about it actually being kids, right, it just needs

762
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,119
to be human flesh presumably, or like it.

763
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: Goes back and forth, right, because I think if you

764
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:21,799
watch it chapter.

765
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: One, maybe he just feels like kids can like he

766
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,079
can pull more fear out of them because kids are

767
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:27,519
generally more scared than adults.

768
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,279
Speaker 1: I guess I think that's I think they are more

769
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,200
like desirable in that way. So I think it's just

770
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,200
like because then it one, he goes mostly after kids.

771
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,599
It too, I think there's a couple in here. But

772
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,599
in this show, I feel like he's killed like even

773
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,960
in this episode, he's killed a lot of adults, right,

774
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:42,240
So yeah, but yeah, and I guess that's the same thing.

775
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:44,359
Even like when he's going we talked about already, when

776
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,839
he's taking his hibernation, why is as his form? But

777
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,039
I guess I think they do. I know it's dumb,

778
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:50,559
but I think in the books they do just say

779
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,240
something like all that was his fair that's its fairite form.

780
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: Why.

781
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I guess it's just oh, I

782
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,960
like being this clanet. Yeah, that's like he's coming back

783
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,559
to you know, because like really again, yeah, and the

784
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000
like clowns are not a big thing in our age,

785
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,279
like when chapter two that was twenty seventeen, it's like

786
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,680
there's not carnivals or clowns are going Like clowns are

787
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,200
regarded as a creepy thing now most of the time too, right,

788
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:10,920
So but.

789
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I that's interesting and also going back

790
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,720
to the see when he's talking to it, or like

791
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:21,400
when when he before Bill has been captured and he's

792
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,960
like talking to the kid who comes out of the woods,

793
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,279
and the kid's like, I don't know what happened to

794
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,759
my parents, and he's like, they're dead. Kid Like he

795
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:29,400
says something super fucking weird.

796
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, that's not what they're doing. He says,

797
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:35,319
my parents are missing. And then and then Bill says, oh,

798
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,319
mine are missing too. They're dead. He said his pan.

799
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,359
Speaker 2: I thought I swear he said they're dead kid. I

800
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,200
was like, what the hef like, this is not Pennywise,

801
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,359
what a strange thing to say to this guy.

802
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: But I did like when the kid's like, can you

803
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,839
help me? And he's like, no, I'm not helping you.

804
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,680
But then he did help him. But I liked how

805
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,119
he was. But yeah, that's it's a.

806
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: Very funny thing.

807
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know, I guess it was fun. I

808
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,960
like they give him the whole big bulb gap and everything.

809
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,240
It was. It was fun sy. And I'll do something

810
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:04,519
a little bit different there, and I will is non thing.

811
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:05,880
But I just want to say this because I should

812
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,519
have mentioned this in the military. I completely forgot. I

813
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,559
hated everything. How Hamblin came in with the one gun

814
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:16,039
and like like there's like fifty people guns on him.

815
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:18,599
Speaker 2: He's like don't It's like another guy comes up behind

816
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,039
him when he's in Ramar's room, Like that guy, there's

817
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:23,039
no reason he would not immediately shoot him in the

818
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,199
head or leg or arm or something. When that's like

819
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,280
the head captain guy right there, and look.

820
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: At what's going on in this town, Like they could

821
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,440
clearly get away with this thing, you know. So that

822
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,920
felt the little anti climactic where he just walked in

823
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,840
with one single pistol. I'm like, don't you dare burn it.

824
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,480
I'll take you. I's like, this is unbelievable at all.

825
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:41,480
I just just find a different way to get there,

826
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,920
you know, just have just have him come angry and

827
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,199
remarks say let's just talk. I get what they're trying

828
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,760
to do, make like put the stakes up. But to me,

829
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,360
it just kind of felt a little a little cheesey

830
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,320
at times, you know with that.

831
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they just wanted the dramatic timing of

832
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,000
like the claw putting the thing into the furnace and

833
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,559
then like oh yeah, unturn it. You know, don't drop

834
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:01,280
it in there.

835
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,599
Speaker 1: Which I guess. So I wonder where Dick ended up

836
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,400
because he was in the beginning of this episode, which

837
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,800
again I left last week, and they brought the wanted

838
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,639
guy and then I go, thanks for helping, I say,

839
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,360
I want nothing to do with you. The poor guy,

840
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,480
he wanted nothing to do in the situation, and just

841
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:16,920
at the bar gets blown and.

842
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,119
Speaker 2: Now he's getting all these disturbing dreams of like the

843
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,960
people who just died or whatever, like they're seeing their

844
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:23,280
souls leave their body.

845
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,119
Speaker 1: He agreed to none of this and all these things

846
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,639
are after him, but no, I kind of I liked that,

847
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,239
like when he was explaining kind of the method of

848
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,239
the box, and I think this strips in a little

849
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,039
last week where I wasn't here, but just the idea

850
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,119
of well, how you can contain it. And now it's

851
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,400
just kind of he's saying that anyone's gonna remove that

852
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,199
box and they're all there, right. But I think at

853
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,280
the same time, I think now he's doing what he

854
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,559
did it for the first time. We're last week he

855
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,119
said like, hey, I see these dead things, but if

856
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,960
I don't acknowledge them, they don't acknowledge me. So I

857
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:52,199
like that now he actually acknowledged one and he's gonna

858
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,599
fall it. I think that's gonna be what he's up

859
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,719
to next week. He's falling that kind of a Native

860
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,679
American character to find something, some sort of help. But

861
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,199
that's why I like now where it's like, okay, it's

862
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,920
kind of a master of his powers a little bit

863
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,000
where he would don't talk to him, don't talk to him,

864
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,159
but now he talked, and they're kind of helping with

865
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,519
the situation, right, so, and I think that's a good

866
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,639
to me. Just tied later on for a vice Kives

867
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:14,440
the Dan and whatnot. But there's one scene where it's

868
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,519
near the end when he's in there and it's just

869
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,599
all the dead people coming around and grounding everything, and

870
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,639
uh uh yeah, And I still I like, uh just

871
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,400
for the Stephen Kings, I like Penny Wise talking to

872
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,159
Dick Hall run It's just it's just like a funny,

873
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,559
just like thinking about these two entities together. But yeah,

874
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,920
I think there's some good, like creepy imagery there. And yeah,

875
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,480
same thing. Everyone's burned up run around, Dick's just seeing

876
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,039
dead soldiers walk by. Shee's like he's going through a

877
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:40,280
whole different thing than ever.

878
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: And this is like because it was last week the

879
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,920
one where he was just like at the bottom of

880
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,639
the bottle, just like totally yeah. So it's like this

881
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,320
has not been a good well several weeks for him

882
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,079
in a row. Because then even though before that was

883
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,000
when they went in the sewer ray that was yeah,

884
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:54,719
that was episode five.

885
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: I think that was lost and had those backs of

886
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,599
his grandfather and everything.

887
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: I feel like is he didn't have like a cheesy

888
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,480
like I'm gonna go find Strider like era line where

889
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,039
he's like, I need to go to like a calm

890
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,440
mountain hotel where there is no weird shit going on

891
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,599
and barely anyone around.

892
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't So here's the thing. I think it will

893
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,239
be fifty to fifty where I don't think it'll be

894
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,760
like shiny one, but I bet it could be like

895
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,159
a in inference to something else in the King world,

896
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,760
like another location or something like real. Yeah. Yeah, that's

897
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,440
why I think not even to set up anything just

898
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,199
to be like, oh, that's where it gets from X,

899
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,280
Y and Z. The most I can't remember where the

900
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,039
Overlook hotel's placed. Maybe he says he's like, oh, I

901
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,320
got family in you know, Utah. I don't really yeah, yeah,

902
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,599
exactly that. So that's the most I could see. But

903
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:40,679
I don't need I don't need to see him pulling

904
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,119
up to a hotel like checking in and like well,

905
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:44,599
you know, and I don't need to see like a

906
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:48,000
young Jack Nicholson like I to me, what they've done

907
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:49,599
with Dick, I think has actually been for me the

908
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,239
perfect because I know I felt like the military thing,

909
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,119
and definitely in our discord, the biggest thing was like,

910
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,400
oh this character in here. I think it was different

911
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,719
When I kind of thought always going to be in

912
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,480
there for an episode, that's easy, but when it became

913
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,800
a supporting character and I actually quite like the actor.

914
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,679
For me, this thing is actually landed. Like I think

915
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:06,400
it worked out. It worked well. I think there's still

916
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,280
writing issues of it, but I think I've enjoyed the

917
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,440
incorporation of this character in world things, and it makes

918
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,719
me curious for if they do a season two and three,

919
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,880
if they ever tried to incorporate like other Stephen King

920
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,920
characters or askings right, because the guy has I don't know,

921
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,639
I feel like he's probably writen a hundred books. Could

922
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:23,679
that I could be wrong, but maybe I don't know.

923
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:24,880
I'm gonna look that up.

924
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think he has probably all around is

925
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,199
my favorite character in this series, and that's for me,

926
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,599
like less than you and Taylor like obviously have seen

927
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,400
the Shining, but I, you know, wasn't like jumping out

928
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,679
of my seat. Oh my god, I can't wait to

929
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:41,000
see this character in another thing. So it's just like

930
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:42,400
on his own merit. And yeah, it has been a

931
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,639
slow build, but every episode he's had some really interesting

932
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,199
story going on. Acting is really good, We're getting some

933
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,079
weird imagery going with it, and yeah, I just feel

934
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,960
like some of the themes of his weird ability he's

935
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,199
really pair well with the it Pennywise stuff and fear

936
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,639
and getting into people's minds and all that the stuff.

937
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,199
So yeah, I think it's really really well of.

938
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: That scene of them together too, like maybe Dick using

939
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,639
some magic stuff or shining stuff to kind of avert him.

940
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,559
Speaker 2: But I don't think do you like, do you think

941
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:16,320
he because I assume we're going back into Sewers next week? Yeah,

942
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,159
is Hallerin going back into Sewers next week? I feel

943
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:23,199
like maybe I feel like maybe he's I almost could

944
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,880
feel like he's like wrapped up his storyline at this point.

945
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,360
I think he can't be right in the penultimate but

946
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,920
I feel like, I don't know what else you're doing

947
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,280
with him.

948
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: No, I think he'll be there for sure because he

949
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,760
was following that ghost character. I think it'll be he'll

950
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,239
team up with that other kid and they'll like maybe

951
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,719
help put the the blaw like that sort of something

952
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,039
back to like cage penny Wise. That's kind of my thing,

953
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:46,719
especially because Hollaran was talking about, you know, the whole

954
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,159
box scenario. It's kind of a full circle if he

955
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,239
kind of box up penny Wise, like literally right, if

956
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,519
he helps with that situation of putting another steak down there.

957
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:56,559
So I think the kids are in the well or

958
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:59,599
doing whatever stuff with the clown. I think holl Ren's

959
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:01,840
kind of was the other maybe Handling as Well's helping out,

960
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,880
Like I feel like the adults will be maybe because

961
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,480
and also Handling knows about them leaving the door open, right,

962
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,320
the idea.

963
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: Of I guess sign kids missing.

964
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that might go into but I think as

965
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,719
he has an information, he might tell that to Halloran

966
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,360
and like that's a bigger deal. Okay, we got to

967
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,920
close this back up it was the way it is

968
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,760
because I also think without I think that's also another

969
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,239
moment they'll give Halluran is the army's gonna go to

970
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,519
and be like, oh, we need your help, and he's

971
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,159
gonna turn them down right because without him they can't

972
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,360
find those eleven other pieces. So if they put that

973
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,639
one true, they put that one back.

974
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: So he has a lot of leverage now that he

975
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,519
was able to finally deliver on the thing I wanted.

976
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,599
Speaker 1: So I think between the comb of what happened in

977
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:41,920
that barn and then what the military is doing, I

978
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,480
think they're gonna give him a moment to kind of

979
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:45,159
give a big like f you to that place. And

980
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,360
even then I could see I don't know if that

981
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,400
that sheriff is getting killed, the guy who used to

982
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,000
be the sheriff, but remember in episode one when he

983
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,119
saw Hollerin and his buddy's drinking the bar and he

984
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:56,880
kind of shushed them out of there. I don't know

985
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,679
if it was like a full circle moment there where

986
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,360
he gets the better of him, whether it's like exposing

987
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,480
him or even killing him like like, because it's not

988
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:05,840
a character that doesn't deserve death or anything. Like that.

989
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,880
So I think there's a few.

990
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: Because I don't know why those guys would go into

991
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,159
the sewer.

992
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,679
Speaker 1: No, yeah, they unless they are chasing somebody, right, Like

993
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,519
maybe they're like, oh like if that the wanted dad

994
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:18,440
was down like, oh he's down there, we're gonna go

995
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,199
you know. Maybe yeah, that's the only thing. So, but

996
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,440
I think how Rur next week gets to give a

997
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,119
couple uh Mia Kopas.

998
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, why do you think penny Wise chose to

999
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,039
I don't know what to call this thing. Try I'm

1000
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:33,920
gonna call it trianglean Will? Why do you think he

1001
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,639
did that to him instead of just eating him on

1002
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:36,639
the spot in this house?

1003
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, because I guess he does that

1004
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,000
to Bet. I think it's just it's just like it.

1005
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,360
I guess that's the ones he likes. It's the one

1006
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,280
I think those are the tasty ones that he wants

1007
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,480
to keep around for a little bit, so it's better

1008
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,800
to But it's weird because sometimes he does that, he's

1009
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,920
like taking over their body or influencing them, and other

1010
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960
times they're just floating. So I don't know. I guess

1011
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,920
it's kind of like it's a it's a meal. That's

1012
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,079
good to wrap up and put in the freezer. I

1013
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,679
guess you know so. But the real reason is just

1014
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,320
so the kids will fall him down there, you know,

1015
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,960
obviously the story reason. I don't know why exactly.

1016
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know how much like anywise keeps

1017
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,320
track of just general dairy goings on, because I feel

1018
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,719
like he often will pick on kids who whose parents

1019
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,840
have been affected by the kind of illness of dairy

1020
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,360
to the point where obviously they care that their child's missing,

1021
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,119
but like after a while, they just kind of give

1022
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,320
up and they're not gonna, you know, go on a

1023
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,159
death a witch hunt to try and track this thing down,

1024
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,440
Whereas I feel like that's not gonna be the case

1025
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,119
for Will. Like his parents, obviously, his mom is like

1026
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,840
the least poisoned person in this whole town. His dad

1027
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,039
obviously has his issues and obviously hit him I think,

1028
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,119
you know, last week or two weeks ago, but he's

1029
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,039
still like he is not poisoned to the point where

1030
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,400
he isn't going to do everything in his power, and

1031
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,400
he potentially has a lot of power and a lot

1032
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,000
of friends in powerful places to and Howard probably as well.

1033
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,599
That actually probably is how Hollarin gets involved, is threw

1034
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,639
handling just to confuse the names again. But uh yeah,

1035
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:06,239
so I don't know that that does seem like a

1036
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,960
really risky one to wrap up instead of just instant kill.

1037
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,199
But I don't know. Maybe it's a whole ploy to

1038
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,719
get more people to come to the well, and you

1039
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,679
can get even more people before he goes into hibernation

1040
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,400
or something. So we'll see whore that is.

1041
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: You'd think almost penny Wise would want that. You think

1042
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,599
you'd want the parents that would go looking because you

1043
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,239
know that's just more food.

1044
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like maybe he that's like prime fear right there,

1045
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,480
Like yea, the kid's gone missing, they're in the sewer.

1046
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:32,840
That's just good stuff.

1047
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I guess we'll see you next week. I

1048
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,719
did bring this up to uh confirm it seem King

1049
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,719
has written sixty five novels and then over two hundred

1050
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,719
short stories, So there you go. So not one hundred novels, but.

1051
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,559
Speaker 2: Definitely there's somewhere Handling can go.

1052
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think so one of those short stories

1053
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,679
got something, So yeah, you got anything else?

1054
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,199
Speaker 2: No, I do I feel like we I guess there

1055
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,239
wasn't a whole lot really with the kids, Like, we

1056
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,920
didn't get any school scenes this week, so I think

1057
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,960
we kind of covered it all.

1058
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Is that one? Seeing the end with the ladies kind

1059
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,119
of hugging it out because they went through like obviously

1060
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,559
lots of traumas together, like they've all kind of lost something.

1061
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they have their little I keep only calling

1062
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,480
it the lighthouse, but they're a little hideout where they

1063
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,079
go pack up some of Rich's stuff and they're talking

1064
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:21,559
about the plane and whatnot. But yeah, yeah, that's all

1065
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:22,800
I think for me, that's.

1066
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: All she wrote. Yeah, Okay, well then next week we'll

1067
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,599
be uh back with the finale. We'll end it there

1068
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:29,679
and then see what it is because some ratings and

1069
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,760
uh yeah, seea they close us off and see again,

1070
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,199
it's interesting if they want it, they've set I thought

1071
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:36,960
they were setting some stuff up with the daughter to

1072
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,519
be like, oh, we'll leave that out for season two.

1073
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,239
But I feel like that kind of was a closed book.

1074
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,519
So it will be interesting because I don't maybe I'm wrong.

1075
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,559
I don't think there's many shows that their idea for

1076
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,440
this season is to go back nearly thirty years for

1077
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,800
a fall up season, right, So that's it's interesting of

1078
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,000
do you do something at the end of that episode

1079
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,559
next week where you set that up or does it

1080
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,880
just end the like, Okay, we closed off the sixties

1081
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,159
fifties and the next season we just pick up. I

1082
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,079
don't know, and I guess we'll see. I really hope

1083
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,159
we don't like have like James Ramar's kid characters like

1084
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:08,000
a main character, you know, like we I'm not invested

1085
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,000
in that. You know, I love James Ramar. I think

1086
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,559
they kind of wasted him in this show, you know what.

1087
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,719
We know he can do a lot more and I

1088
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,280
don't think we saw it here.

1089
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,119
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, this this show, like in Hindsight, even

1090
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,239
without the finale included, it's like kind of a ton

1091
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,960
of flashbacks, like probably at least an hour and a

1092
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,079
half or something of flashbacks, and some of these are

1093
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,199
really long sequences. That's quite a lot. And you, yeah,

1094
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,519
you wonder what that would look like in a season

1095
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,920
two where we're going back to those eras and stuff.

1096
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,840
So I don't know. I guess you'd have more of

1097
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,960
like the previous eras, but I don't know. That just

1098
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,360
feels like kind of messy, But I don't know.

1099
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. When they started doing those flashbacks.

1100
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,519
It felt odd to me because it's if that was

1101
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:49,440
the and it's not a rumor, it's that the care

1102
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,039
creators have said, like, oh, if we do more, we'd

1103
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:52,719
like to go back. And I like the idea of okay,

1104
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,280
every season is a different era, right, because that's fun

1105
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,079
for setting and casting location. You can do a lot

1106
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,639
of stuff to see how Derek, especially if we can

1107
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,199
get to like the like the nineteen oh four oh

1108
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,320
three air, like that's I think tons yeah on like

1109
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,000
really like we're close to eighteen hundreds, like, yeah, what

1110
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,599
was Pennywise doing back then? You know? So but uh yeah,

1111
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,679
we'll see, we'll watch that next week. We'll get Taylor

1112
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,880
hopefully back for that, and uh promise you will not

1113
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,480
be boring.

1114
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: Bye bye see yea