Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Constance News Radio.
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, actually Friday night, there was a horrific
Speaker 2: murder homicide in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and we're going to talk
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk with the Plymouth County District Attorney,
Speaker 2: Tim Cruz. Tim, you have just been elected to a
Speaker 2: National District Attorney's Association. First of all, tell us we'll
Speaker 2: go to the good news before we go to the
Speaker 2: bad news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been elected. I've been lucky enough. I'm a
Speaker 3: member of the National Districttorneys Association for a number of
Speaker 3: years now. I've been one of the vice presidents for
Speaker 3: a number of years, and last summer I was voted
Speaker 3: in this president elect. So in twenty twenty five, I'll
Speaker 3: be taking over the reigns of the National DA's Association,
Speaker 3: which consists really of twenty you know, more than twenty
Speaker 3: five hundred local and state procutors office across America with
Speaker 3: more than six thousand members and really bringing things together.
Speaker 3: The mission of the DAS or try to seek justice
Speaker 3: in our cases, trying to make sure we can put
Speaker 3: best practices together and try to make sure we can
Speaker 3: keep people safe. And it's really an honor and a
Speaker 3: privilege to do and I'm looking forward to do it.
Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, today I was with
Speaker 3: some of the some of my other electors from across
Speaker 3: America at a meeting down down Washington, d C. Down
Speaker 3: the Pom the Justice and seeing where we're going next steps.
Speaker 3: So I'm very excited about it, and I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to working hard to make sure we can continue to
Speaker 3: do good work that's been happen around here.
Speaker 2: Is this the same group, By the way, I'm told
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Speaker 2: So is this the same organization that our good mutual friend,
Speaker 2: John Blodgett at one point was the president of.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is this. When I become president next summer,
Speaker 3: it'll be the seventy fifth year of the National DA's Association,
Speaker 3: which is really the largest prosecutors association in America. And
Speaker 3: John was the president probably I think it was back
Speaker 3: four or five years back. And John did a trumendous
Speaker 3: job and was able to, you know, really get get
Speaker 3: me involved in the whole program and dealing with a
Speaker 3: lot of the issues. And I'm thankful to him for that.
Speaker 3: And you know, as we go forward, we see the
Speaker 3: many challenges that we face. There's so many things going
Speaker 3: on a daily basis, and our job is so busy,
Speaker 3: and you're juggling a lot of balls in the air
Speaker 3: making sure that you know, you can keep your offices
Speaker 3: running the way they should be, make sure it's funded,
Speaker 3: make sure you get best practices, make sure that people
Speaker 3: understand you what the prosecutor does. That we continue to
Speaker 3: work on the front end of many different things, helping
Speaker 3: kids who are dragging dangered kids, would challenge advers, challenge experiences,
Speaker 3: all sorts of things, and you know, on the back
Speaker 3: end in the middle, we have specialty courts and we're
Speaker 3: trying to help people. That's our goal. But sometimes obviously
Speaker 3: and obviously the best way you can help our community
Speaker 3: and help victims and make sure that victims have put
Speaker 3: where they belong in the forefront rather than the back burner.
Speaker 3: We need to make sure that people understand that. All
Speaker 3: too often, you know, we live in a world where defendants,
Speaker 3: the treated victims, and the real victims are invisible. We
Speaker 3: need to make sure that our victims are heard. And
Speaker 3: that's what really is the challenge I think many times nowadays.
Speaker 2: I think it was also a d a DAP in
Speaker 2: Syracuse Bill Fitzpatrick, who I've interviewed as well, who was
Speaker 2: also one of your predecessors. So you're in some good
Speaker 2: company and they have a great successor. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: what happened in Plymouth on Friday night. This is as
Speaker 2: bizarre a shooting that I can imagine. This is five
Speaker 2: thirty at night on Friday night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and a Friday night, and a beautiful night
Speaker 3: don and Plymouth, if you recall, the weather was really nice.
Speaker 3: And you know where this event took place. It was
Speaker 3: right off of Main Street, which is really the middle
Speaker 3: of the road. It's the road that the Plymouth parades
Speaker 3: go down every year. And there's a side street, a
Speaker 3: middle street, which has a town talking area and many
Speaker 3: people pocket vehicles there and that's why you know, thirty
Speaker 3: five forty five Friday night on this terrible event occurred,
Speaker 3: which has changed people's lives and also it really affects
Speaker 3: the community.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I know that you've commented on it, but
Speaker 2: there is a twenty three year old who's facing a
Speaker 2: charge of murder, one count of murder, discharging a firearm
Speaker 2: within five hundred feet of a building, reckless endangerment of
Speaker 2: a child, improper storage for a firearm, negligent operation of
Speaker 2: a motor vehicle, improper storage of AMMO, and possession of
Speaker 2: large capacity FEITI device. And this guy had his eighteen
Speaker 2: month old son in the backseat of his car when
Speaker 2: there was some sort of a fender bender. This is
Speaker 2: this was over a fender bender.
Speaker 3: It appears the it was a minor traffic incident and
Speaker 3: it certainly escalated out of control and it well, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing that common in all these
Speaker 3: events day and that you see is that really everybody loses.
Speaker 3: Everybody loses. You know, the defendant now has significant issues
Speaker 3: he's going to have to deal in the court system.
Speaker 3: The victims. Stanley is always going to be changed, it's
Speaker 3: always going to be different. A man's lost his life,
Speaker 3: and it affects a very quiet town like America's hometown
Speaker 3: of Plymouth, and you know they're down there and the
Speaker 3: plot players think did a great job that night they
Speaker 3: showed up and really quieted the area down there. But
Speaker 3: you know that's the sort of news that you know,
Speaker 3: no town wants to have that. No town wants to
Speaker 3: have something happening in a beautiful the area where people
Speaker 3: are going. It's very crowded, you know, in the Fall area.
Speaker 3: So it's really it's too bad that. You know, those
Speaker 3: are the issues that we're going to have to deal with.
Speaker 3: You know, we're going to continue to do like we
Speaker 3: always do. You know, we'll do a job, slow, methodical.
Speaker 3: The defendant was arranged today in those charges. He was
Speaker 3: held with out bail as usually as the norm with
Speaker 3: you know, homicide allegations. Yeah, he usually as a presenttion,
Speaker 3: you're gonna held without bail. He's held without bail in
Speaker 3: case was put over to December thirteenth, and the investigation
Speaker 3: might remains ongoing and we'll go from ford from there.
Speaker 2: Well, there's the judge that set bail or denied bail.
Speaker 2: Scott Peterson is a really solid judge. Obviously, the defense attorney,
Speaker 2: I think it's Jack Edward. I will probably take that
Speaker 2: up and appeal it to a superior cord. But I mean,
Speaker 2: one guy did forty one years old he has a
Speaker 2: couple of kids, as I understand it, and this guy
Speaker 2: had an eighteen month old baby boy in the backseat
Speaker 2: of his own car. And this is all over a
Speaker 2: fender bender. That's what lives. One life lost, the other
Speaker 2: life has been impacted forever. The eighteen month old child,
Speaker 2: he's going to be without a dad for probably some
Speaker 2: period of time unless somehow, some way the circumstances that
Speaker 2: we are unaware of, and both of them apparently had
Speaker 2: license to carry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was an absolute tragedy. The
Speaker 3: victim in this case didn't have any weapons on him,
Speaker 3: but you know, the the whatever whatever preceded the event, which,
Speaker 3: like I said, which is still remains on going matter
Speaker 3: right now, as we go forward with it, whatever happened
Speaker 3: between them, will get to the bottom of that, like
Speaker 3: we always do, and then we will eventually make a
Speaker 3: determination as the direction.
Speaker 2: Is going to go.
Speaker 3: It will go to the next step in the court system,
Speaker 3: and eventually it will end up in superior court where
Speaker 3: all homicide cases go. And you know, but you're right,
Speaker 3: I mean, it just it just it just affects so
Speaker 3: many people. It is a pebble on the pond that
Speaker 3: ripple effect that now affects the entire area, if affects families,
Speaker 3: and like I said, the only thing that everybody has
Speaker 3: in common, and I've seen it over the years, you know,
Speaker 3: my twenty three years is da you walk in these
Speaker 3: court rooms and everybody loses, you know, and that's why,
Speaker 3: you know, we have to make sure that you know,
Speaker 3: there's such a I'm not even talking about this case,
Speaker 3: but such a lack of civility in the world nowadays.
Speaker 3: People have such short uses over nothing, and I think that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's so frustrating when you see things like that, and
Speaker 3: people need to understand that. And hopefully maybe somebody will
Speaker 3: see this and say, you know what, keep you cool. Nothing,
Speaker 3: nothing out there is worth it. You know, your family,
Speaker 3: your family's fine, nobody get hurt. Well, let's have a conversation,
Speaker 3: let's exchange papers and go from there. Because any damage
Speaker 3: and motor vehicles, you know. But unfortunately this thing, this
Speaker 3: thing didn't go that way. And now we we're with
Speaker 3: all the people, were all these individuals and all these
Speaker 3: circumstances going on down the Plymouth, and I said, we'll
Speaker 3: deal with it as we will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my understanding is there was some representations in courte
Speaker 2: today and they know that you were in Washington, so
Speaker 2: you don't have to comment to this. But my understanding
Speaker 2: is that after the individual was shot and was on
Speaker 2: the ground, that the shooter apparently got out of his
Speaker 2: car might have fired again, and then once he realized
Speaker 2: the guy was you know, pert that badly tried to
Speaker 2: deliver to administer CPR. Now, jess what what an insane
Speaker 2: scene in the middle of Plymouth on a Friday night
Speaker 2: and it helps hurts everyone and and helps no one.
Speaker 2: Mister District Attorney, Tim Cruise, thank you for giving us
Speaker 2: a little bit of background on again. Congratulations on your election.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna invite callers after after we bid you a
Speaker 2: do tonight to join the conversation because I think there's
Speaker 2: a lot of wistome in what you have to say
Speaker 2: for us tonight. Thank you, Tim Cruise, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: When we come back, and we do have a winner
Speaker 2: of those tickets when we come back, i'd like to
Speaker 2: hear from you. I'm gonna go over this in a
Speaker 2: little more detail, some of the reports to out of
Speaker 2: the newspapers and television stations that I have read here
Speaker 2: will walk through this incident, but I'd love to know
Speaker 2: what is I mean. I think the lesson is exactly
Speaker 2: what Tim Cruz said. But my question is how can
Speaker 2: you find yourself in that situation where somehow someway over
Speaker 2: This was a minor This was a minor fender bender.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna break it down and I'd love to have
Speaker 2: you participate, particularly if you're from the South Shore, because
Speaker 2: this was an absolute unnecessary tragedy for both families. You
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Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
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Speaker 2: to Plymouth. Okay, it's Friday night. If you remember Friday night,
Speaker 2: it was a really lovely evening. So you have two
Speaker 2: people involved in this. There's a twenty three year old guy.
Speaker 2: His name is David Jerome, really not that important. He's
Speaker 2: driving a Toyota rav four. He has its eighteen month
Speaker 2: old son in a car seat. Just before six o'clock
Speaker 2: on Friday night, apparently he gets into some sort of
Speaker 2: a fender bender with a gentleman named Brent Berkeley. He's
Speaker 2: forty one years old. He's driving his jeep. Berkeley was
Speaker 2: shot several times, taken to a local hospital, and died
Speaker 2: to an article in The Patriot Ledger written by David
Speaker 2: Smith and Jessica Truffont Jerome. David Jerome, twenty three years old,
Speaker 2: father of an eighteen month old, arraigned in Plymouth District
Speaker 2: Court on Monday today, charged with one of one count
Speaker 2: each of murder, discharging a firearm within five hundred feet
Speaker 2: of a building, reckless endangerment of a child, improper storage
Speaker 2: of a firearm, negligence operation of a motor vehicle, improper
Speaker 2: storage of ammunition, and possession of a large capacity feeding device.
Speaker 2: Witnesses claimed that this guy had had a beard at
Speaker 2: a local bar. He bought a couple to go home.
Speaker 2: He's heading home and in the parking lot. This is
Speaker 2: not a classic road rage incident out on Root four
Speaker 2: ninety five or Root three where people pull off the
Speaker 2: side of the road. I remember the story this is
Speaker 2: several years ago, where a couple of guys were going
Speaker 2: at it in the car, you know, jumping up in
Speaker 2: front of each other, blasting the horn. And I guess
Speaker 2: they pulled off into one of the parking areas and
Speaker 2: they both got out of the car. One guy went
Speaker 2: to the trunk. He had a crossbow. He fired the crossbow,
Speaker 2: hit the other guy right below his sternam and hit
Speaker 2: pierced his heart dead. I think the guy with the
Speaker 2: crossbow probably still in jail. That was as bizarre. So
Speaker 2: this murder was more of This homicide was more of
Speaker 2: a run of the mill homicide. So, according to what
Speaker 2: was presented in open court, Jerome was the guy who
Speaker 2: is the shooter allegedly was texting and driving in the
Speaker 2: parking lot when he allegedly rearins Berkeley in a town
Speaker 2: owned parking lot on Middle Street. The witness reported seeing
Speaker 2: Berkeley get out of the car to confront Jerome, who
Speaker 2: remained in his car. Allegation is that Berkeley punched Jerome
Speaker 2: in the face, and then Jerome fired several shots to
Speaker 2: his open car window, shooting Berkeley in the chest abdomen.
Speaker 2: This according to the Assistant DA Witnesses, according to the
Speaker 2: Patriot Ledgers, said Jerome then got out of his car,
Speaker 2: approached Berkeley, who was on the ground, and shot him
Speaker 2: several times while saying something along the lines of don't move.
Speaker 2: Witnesses said Jerome then said something like don't give up
Speaker 2: to Berkeley before he started to perform CPR. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Police on the scene moments later, Jerome was taken into custody. Berkeley,
Speaker 2: taking a Beth Israel deacon his hospital in Plymouth, pronounced
Speaker 2: dead from his wounds less than an hour later, at
Speaker 2: six twenty eight pm. According to the district attorney, the
Speaker 2: assistant district attorney who appeared in court today, Jeremy Kusman, said,
Speaker 2: no matter how you look at it, this is a
Speaker 2: case of overkill. The defense asked for one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars cash bail or one hundred thousand dollars bail, which
Speaker 2: would be probably ten thousand dollars bond, suggesting it was
Speaker 2: a case of self defense. The defense attorney Jack got
Speaker 2: Edwards said Jerome had no criminal record, lives with his girlfriend,
Speaker 2: and their child doesn't live there anymore, at least for now.
Speaker 2: That would suggest it could be a case of self defense,
Speaker 2: arguing that Berkeley had four bullet holes in his hand
Speaker 2: and therefore could have been reaching for the gun. We'll
Speaker 2: see how that works out. They are witnesses. So the
Speaker 2: question I have is, are you haven't any second thoughts
Speaker 2: when you're out driving as to who's in the road
Speaker 2: with you? I know I am. Are you having any
Speaker 2: second thoughts as to how you might respond if somebody
Speaker 2: crawls up behind you on or four ninety five and
Speaker 2: is flashing their lights and wants you to get out
Speaker 2: of the way because they're obviously more important than you are.
Speaker 2: You know, I certainly at this point figure if that
Speaker 2: person's in that much of a rush, I'm pulling into
Speaker 2: the middle lane and let him go bother someone else.
Speaker 2: You haven't any second thoughts about somebody who maybe you're
Speaker 2: driving on a city street or something, and I don't
Speaker 2: know worries are exchanged. I mean, this now is becoming
Speaker 2: too commonplace, in my opinion, and this cost one guy
Speaker 2: his life. Had to get out of the car to
Speaker 2: exchange papers. But I don't know what was said. I
Speaker 2: wasn't there. I don't know what threats were made. There
Speaker 2: is a report that one of the articles I read
Speaker 2: was that Jerome had been in a the defendant of
Speaker 2: this case had been in some sort of an argument
Speaker 2: with another driver shortly before that. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. The authorities will figure it out, we probably,
Speaker 2: I don't know. If this is this, this won't be
Speaker 2: covered like the Karen Reid case, you know, day after
Speaker 2: day after day in court. Sad to say, but as
Speaker 2: bizarre as this case is, it's almost a run of
Speaker 2: the mill homicide. The fact that it occurred at five
Speaker 2: thirty on a Friday afternoon, You got the weekend in
Speaker 2: front of your people. Come on, what are you thinking?
Speaker 2: What are you thinking? Do you think you're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to shoot somebody a couple of times and they
Speaker 2: just drive away. It's not the it's not the old
Speaker 2: wild West. You're not Wyatt Up or Billy the kid.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't get it. I'm a
Speaker 2: Second Amendment guy. People should have the right to carry
Speaker 2: if they want. But but boy, I'll tell you what
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phone. It's gonna go
Speaker 2: to Mike Is in Rosendale. Mike, we're talking about a
Speaker 2: really senseless situation. Don in Plymouth. They can kill that
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Speaker 2: Now I can talk to Mike from Rosendale.
Speaker 4: Hi, Mike, how are you all right? So here's one
Speaker 4: possibility that happened. Yeah, first of all, before you went
Speaker 4: to break and gave the did all your advertisements and
Speaker 4: so forth. A moment or two ago you mentioned that
Speaker 4: there was a possibility or maybe I missed up, maybe
Speaker 4: I'm misunderstolled you. I don't know about the rest of
Speaker 4: the audience out there and in the Boston area, but
Speaker 4: did you mention that this was this could have been
Speaker 4: the possibility of just the run of the mill road
Speaker 4: rage or you just weren't sure?
Speaker 2: Well, it was. It was an accident in a parking lot.
Speaker 2: So it was originally reported as road rage. When I
Speaker 2: think of road rage, I think of, you know, two
Speaker 2: guys or whatever out on one twenty eight or four
Speaker 2: ninety five, who were you know, passing each other and
Speaker 2: all of that sort of stuff. Uh, this was a
Speaker 2: fender bender in a parking lot, so, and it quickly
Speaker 2: escalated into an outrageous situation. But it wasn't as if
Speaker 2: they were out on four eight. That's what I if
Speaker 2: I confused you, I apologize.
Speaker 4: No, that's okay. What I'm thinking this could have been
Speaker 4: could have been. Okay. These two foxes, excuse me, might
Speaker 4: have had history. Might and they had an old school
Speaker 4: to celebrate between the two of them, with one of
Speaker 4: them having their child in the fact seat that was
Speaker 4: not smart. That kid, that kid could be pushing up
Speaker 4: browses right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a question about that. Yeah, this, you know,
Speaker 2: I only I was not in court today, so I
Speaker 2: will tell you that I I read as many reports
Speaker 2: of the court proceed proceedings as I could, and there's
Speaker 2: no suggestion that there was a prior even though it
Speaker 2: was in the middle of Plymouth. I don't know that
Speaker 2: there was any prior interaction between these two, these two
Speaker 2: individuals the shooter lived in.
Speaker 4: There was also this one other thing they I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mentioned the whole thing about maybe the possibility of
Speaker 4: a score to settle this. This could have been a
Speaker 4: thing where, you know, just just a simple road rage
Speaker 4: that can out that get out of hand. Unfortunately, both
Speaker 4: of their lives are early one on one that one
Speaker 4: guy's dead and the other guys looking at uh you know,
Speaker 4: at the bare minimum, uh first degree or second agree,
Speaker 4: mad flaughter, if not first agree or whatever, I don't know,
Speaker 4: but the.
Speaker 2: Screws, Yeah, yeah, well, let me just say this, their
Speaker 2: lives have changed forever. I mean, this is not a
Speaker 2: couple of guys who when you think about it, let's
Speaker 2: assume that they got out of the car. Uh, and
Speaker 2: they threw a couple of punches at each other and
Speaker 2: the cops and the police arrested them for us each
Speaker 2: with for assault and battery. You know that's going to
Speaker 2: probably end up in nothing, okay, But when you have
Speaker 2: the loss of life. Uh this First of all, the
Speaker 2: guy who's dead is dead. There's nothing that kid's going
Speaker 2: to be done for him to help him or to
Speaker 2: hurt him. He's dead, and his family has lost it.
Speaker 2: I saw, Yeah, I saw pictures of his parents in
Speaker 2: the courtroom today. And you know, he's forty one years old,
Speaker 2: so his parents look to be like they were somewhere
Speaker 2: in their you know, mid to late sixties. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many children they have or you know, but
Speaker 2: obviously it destroys their family. That's number one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the family is ruined.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He apparently had a couple of kids with with
Speaker 2: his either partner girlfriend wife, I'm not sure which the
Speaker 2: other guy. He's got an eighteen year old kid in
Speaker 2: the back seat of the eighteen month old child in
Speaker 2: the back seat of the car. As you said, if
Speaker 2: the other guy had had a gun, and apparently the
Speaker 2: other guy had a license to carry but didn't have
Speaker 2: a gun with him. I just I think to myself, there,
Speaker 2: but for the great of God, could go any one
Speaker 2: of us. You know, you're in a parking lot or whatever. Sorry, Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Nice to talk with you. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's strange. Let me go next to Rodney and Boston. Hey, Rodney,
Speaker 2: how are you tonight? How are you I'm doing Okay, Rodney,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Well, I've spoken to you before about when Boston said
Speaker 5: they have the best streets and also about the snowstorm.
Speaker 5: So I'm a lift driver and I drive around Boston
Speaker 5: or Eastern mass almost every day, and it is getting
Speaker 5: worse out there. The road rage. People get mad at
Speaker 5: anything and they'll get on your tail. I've been flipped
Speaker 5: off because I let a cargo in front of me.
Speaker 5: I stop, and I stop sign and people want me
Speaker 5: to go right away and it and when you want
Speaker 5: to try and switch lanes, they want.
Speaker 2: To block you.
Speaker 5: So it's very aggressive out there, and it's not rage.
Speaker 5: It's just that the anger that they carry with them
Speaker 5: and what they do to you. They don't even know you,
Speaker 5: they don't you don't talk to you, but they're taking
Speaker 5: it out on you. And so there's something wrong with
Speaker 5: us that people are so pent up that they just
Speaker 5: one little thing will set them off, Like what happened
Speaker 5: was terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you, and you're you're you're driving
Speaker 2: a lot. Have you ever had anybody truly threaten you, meaning, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, point to a weapon towards you, or actually
Speaker 2: you know, like you know, put a finger at you,
Speaker 2: like they're holding a gun or anything like that, if
Speaker 2: I got to know.
Speaker 5: But one night I was at a red light and
Speaker 5: someone went around me and turned right, and I beeped
Speaker 5: at him, and he started to back up towards me,
Speaker 5: and I go, oh crap, what did I do? And
Speaker 5: I didn't know he had a gun, So I backed up.
Speaker 5: I went in the parking lot. He came. We went
Speaker 5: around a couple of times, and I was able to
Speaker 5: get to the street and book down the street and
Speaker 5: not even having indication whether he was playing with me
Speaker 5: or whatever. But the fact that he backed up and
Speaker 5: kind of followed me was will of disheartening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, particularly if you're out driving late at night.
Speaker 2: This was five thirty or just before. It's five thirty
Speaker 2: six o'clock, so it's you know, sun's going down last
Speaker 2: Friday night. This is not twelve thirty in the morning,
Speaker 2: when people might be you know, half of the rapper
Speaker 2: and do things that they would later regret. I just don't.
Speaker 6: I actually I drive over night.
Speaker 5: I drive overnight. I tend to find people overnight are
Speaker 5: doing pretty well. It's the morning. At six o'clock people
Speaker 5: start coming in driving bath being aggressive. So at nighttime
Speaker 5: is great to drive.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe people are more relaxed.
Speaker 7: I don't know, or just.
Speaker 2: It's frightening when you realize that not only are you
Speaker 2: out of the road, but other family members can be
Speaker 2: out in the road. I have two children who are
Speaker 2: doubt children, and they're out driving. My wife drives. You know,
Speaker 2: I have a brother or sister in law, other family,
Speaker 2: friends and members, and you never know who was gonna
Speaker 2: run in to the crazy person.
Speaker 5: And well, the crazy person could be a lady or
Speaker 5: a man or whomever. So's it's interesting to see how
Speaker 5: people react when nothing's going on, but they react to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if you you don't sound to
Speaker 2: me like you're old enough to remember this story, but
Speaker 2: it was about probably about twenty years ago. There were
Speaker 2: these two guys who were, you know, passing one another somewhere.
Speaker 2: I think it was on ninety five or one of
Speaker 2: the major roadways, and so they both pulled off into
Speaker 2: sort of one of the rest areas and they both
Speaker 2: jumped out of the car. An older guy went into
Speaker 2: the trunk of his car and he pulled out a crossbow,
Speaker 2: you like something of a Robin Hood movie. And he
Speaker 2: fired the crossbow and got the guy right in the heart.
Speaker 2: I'll be dead before he hit the ground. This was
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. Someone will remember that case, what year it was.
Speaker 2: And I assume that the guy that did it is
Speaker 2: still walked up. Maybe he's done his time. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll look it up during the break here and try
Speaker 2: to give you more exact but you know, no one
Speaker 2: probably when that when the two of those peeled off
Speaker 2: the road. I'm sure that the victim, the guy who
Speaker 2: eventually died, didn't think to himself, you know, if I
Speaker 2: pull off here with this nut job, he's gonna kill
Speaker 2: me with a crossbow. Never thought about it. He probably thought, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll beat the guy up, or you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: tough guy. Even if he has a gun, he won't
Speaker 2: shoot it at a crossbow.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm thinking that every time I see someone
Speaker 5: that that threatens me. I'm thinking I got to shut
Speaker 5: up and just keep going and not react. And I
Speaker 5: find myself wanting to react because it angers you. When
Speaker 5: someone is just so attacking of you. They don't know you,
Speaker 5: they're never going to see you again. They make you
Speaker 5: the target of their anger.
Speaker 2: Rodney, I agree with you. So how old are you?
Speaker 2: You don't remember that story?
Speaker 5: I said, well, you're at eight, actually, and I do
Speaker 5: remember something about that.
Speaker 2: Oh you said you're fifty eight. Okay, great, Okay, no problem,
Speaker 2: so you yes, you sound younger. Thanks Rodney. Keep in
Speaker 2: touch and keep listening and keep calling. Okay, appreciate you, dame.
Speaker 6: We appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Take care my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Have it great. Now we'll take a quick break here
Speaker 2: on night Side, and I may be able to find
Speaker 2: that crossbowl story. But I got Phil and David coming up.
Speaker 2: Got room for you. We're changing topics, by the way,
Speaker 2: at ten o'clock, So if you want to get in,
Speaker 2: now's the time of dial six one, seven, two, five
Speaker 2: four to ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
Speaker 2: one ten thirty Back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: The so called Crossbowl murder occurred here in Massachusetts in
Speaker 2: the mid nineteen nineties. Donald Graham was convicted of killing
Speaker 2: an Attleborough man or Interstate ninety five with a razor
Speaker 2: tipped crossbowl bolt on February twentieth, nineteen ninety four, in
Speaker 2: a case that received national intention concerning the issue of
Speaker 2: road rage. Graham, a church deacon from Wunsaka, Rhode Island,
Speaker 2: is serving life prison life prison turn without the possibility
Speaker 2: of parole at mc I Shirley for first screen murder.
Speaker 2: He filed an appeal and that's the latest I could
Speaker 2: find out, so as as of August of twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: he was still in prison. We'll try to figure just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Apparently there was a book written about this as well. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Let's look, it can happen. Where are we going to
Speaker 2: go next? Let me go to Phil in Boston. Phil,
Speaker 2: you are next on Nightside. I appreciate you calling in.
Speaker 2: Get my my mouse working here and I'll bring you
Speaker 2: right up. Phil. Welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 7: Right, you're hitting the right subject that I thought that
Speaker 7: was a little twenty four.
Speaker 8: It was a guy in whatever I got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, turn your radio down. Will you feel I'm hearing
Speaker 2: in the background? Its distracting to me, it's probably distracting.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that the DAN told you to turn that
Speaker 2: radio down. You're a veteran.
Speaker 8: It's just it's just there's no more civility.
Speaker 7: There's nothing. There's not no one cares anymore.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's a lady to get but there's gotta
Speaker 8: be some education.
Speaker 7: And you get people riding around on bike lanes with
Speaker 7: motor schools and everything is falling apart. They when something happens,
Speaker 7: then then they come in and they, oh, yeah, we're
Speaker 7: gonna do this for them. Well you ever think that
Speaker 7: maybe you've been doing this before, Like maybe let these
Speaker 7: kids are driving around the motor schools with no helmets.
Speaker 7: So I'm driving going right through red lights, people on
Speaker 7: bikes and pedal bikes going through red lakes. People on
Speaker 7: bike lanes that go on on pedal bikes on the
Speaker 7: sidewalk behind you going the wrong way, steps away from
Speaker 7: enough by the bike lane. They're spending more money in
Speaker 7: bike lanes, and now you've got people on the on
Speaker 7: the sidewalk. I thought trying to get rid.
Speaker 2: Of that, right, Phil, Phil, I don't want you to
Speaker 2: have a heart attack on me here. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 2: mean too upset you man, Just I hear you. I
Speaker 2: think you raise good points. It's crazy out there, it's
Speaker 2: just and don't get involved in the craziness, you know,
Speaker 2: just let it go by you, Okay.
Speaker 8: I would I just one quick Slavill my years ago,
Speaker 8: oil was in his auto post place in a social
Speaker 8: community and it was selling these box cutters at the
Speaker 8: at the register and I said, excuse this in all sense,
Speaker 8: all this is about twenty years ago, lawless roadways going on,
Speaker 8: and they just have a worth.
Speaker 7: I said, do you think it's could have it?
Speaker 4: Or let me buy some oil for a mission?
Speaker 8: Flwood, Oh, give me a box cut of while you're
Speaker 8: at it. And then I the guy, well, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I went to the I went to the police station.
Speaker 2: Phil, this really doesn't relate to what we're talking about today.
Speaker 2: And I got out of the calls I got to
Speaker 2: go to. So I appreciate your call, and I appreciate
Speaker 2: the story. We'll talk so thank you much. Let me
Speaker 2: go to David and Worcester. David, next time nights, I
Speaker 2: want to get you in one more in please go.
Speaker 6: Right ahead, David, believing in them. You know, this is yeah,
Speaker 6: this is a sad it's it's a very sad and
Speaker 6: tragic situation. When I am yes, you know, the gentleman
Speaker 6: just spoke. You know, it's on the right point in
Speaker 6: terms of you know, people's you know, egos and you know,
Speaker 6: and what what happened to people. But I say this
Speaker 6: when I have been honored with the privilege of advising people,
Speaker 6: I tell them, especially if I say, when you drive,
Speaker 6: one of the things you must not forget to do
Speaker 6: is drive with your ego humility, a humble ego and
Speaker 6: rather I'm sorry, humility and not your ego. And and
Speaker 6: you know, the important thing is that the human, the
Speaker 6: complex human brain that we have, was not equipped with
Speaker 6: cameras so that we can know exactly what exchange before
Speaker 6: this happens. But I say that to say, not to
Speaker 6: blame any good, but to say, you know, I advise
Speaker 6: people that if there's an accident, you know, if you're
Speaker 6: the first to come out to a port, the other person,
Speaker 6: come with your papers of follow me your papers. And
Speaker 6: but first of all, just his first sentiment should be
Speaker 6: you know, is everybody okay, you know, a concern for
Speaker 6: the other people, and often do your papers and then
Speaker 6: you can ask them for their papers because if you
Speaker 6: come on.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: The thing that was interesting about this one, David, was
Speaker 2: it was literally a fender bender in a parking lot.
Speaker 2: If this was a serious accident that it caused injury
Speaker 2: to somebody, you can see where people would be upset.
Speaker 2: But this was a fender bender in a parking lot
Speaker 2: at five thirty quarter six on a beautiful Friday afternoon
Speaker 2: and one person ends up dead.
Speaker 6: Well egos, Yeah, for egos, egos. You know, you know
Speaker 6: anything could be could be too big, and you know,
Speaker 6: so you know exactly. It's very it's very sad.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, said David. I want to get one more
Speaker 2: in as well as always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Next time, I'll give you more time if you caught
Speaker 2: a little earlier. But like that, thanks, Thanks David.
Speaker 3: Be Well.
Speaker 2: Harriet in Tewkesbury, Harriet your next one nice, I can run.
Speaker 3: Ahead, Hi, stan Well.
Speaker 9: We do deliveries and pickups for grub Hub and my
Speaker 9: husband and eye and we've had people beeping at us
Speaker 9: because you have to you don't know where the houses.
Speaker 9: I have to slow down, looks the streets, the numbers,
Speaker 9: the fingers, the middle things. But the worst one was
Speaker 9: about a month or so ago. We were picking up
Speaker 9: the Windy's and bill Rica and we were delivering to Wilmington.
Speaker 9: This guy in a white truck kept following us and
Speaker 9: following us all the way to almost where we were
Speaker 9: going to drop off. Then he cut us off completely
Speaker 9: across the road so we couldn't go anywhere. Opened his
Speaker 9: door flew open and came over to my husband's side,
Speaker 9: the driver's side instead of pomding and pomding on the
Speaker 9: window with his fists. I was so scared the window
Speaker 9: was going to break. It was horrible. So I called
Speaker 9: the police and they said, well, you have to come
Speaker 9: down and make a report and everything. So after we
Speaker 9: dropped off the delivery, we went to the Wilmington. I
Speaker 9: thought we were in bill Rica, but we were actually
Speaker 9: in Wilmington. Anyway, After the police in Wilmington made a
Speaker 9: report and every thing, and they said that they would
Speaker 9: contact us and see whatever. A couple of days went by,
Speaker 9: we kept calling. Finally they said they did find him
Speaker 9: and he and now we're an elderly couple and Senia's
Speaker 9: and the police said, well, he said, you cut him off,
Speaker 9: which we didn't, but you cut him off. He thought
Speaker 9: you were wise teenagers. Now he came to my husband's side.
Speaker 2: He could must be the youngest looking senior couple. We're all,
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. You take that as a compliment, okay, but I.
Speaker 7: Mean it was.
Speaker 9: It's the one that the glass didn't break. And anyway,
Speaker 9: he said, oh, don't worry. The policeman said, don't worry
Speaker 9: about it. He doesn't you know, he doesn't know where
Speaker 9: you living. You don't know he lives. And he apologized, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's fine, but they should have run a little see
Speaker 2: if this guy's been involved in other that's poor police work.
Speaker 2: They should have said to you, look, this guy's got
Speaker 2: a clean driving record. Have no idea what happened, but
Speaker 2: if he had, if he had had a serious other incidents,
Speaker 2: it would have been they should have done something on it. Hey, Harry,
Speaker 2: I gotta get trying to get one more in in
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, okay.
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, yeah, any time, Thank you much.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get Steve in from Rhode Island. Steve. I
Speaker 2: only got about thirty seconds before the news go right ahead.
Speaker 6: Hi, dam thank you.
Speaker 10: I just wanted to tell you your listeners. I just
Speaker 10: recently watched the movie about road rage, the most terrifying
Speaker 10: movie I've ever starring Russell Crowe. It's from twenty twenty
Speaker 10: and it's called Unhinged. Yeah, all right, Paul thinks just
Speaker 10: started by someone just beeping the horn in a light
Speaker 10: a little bit too line and the rest. I'm not
Speaker 10: gonna tell you because it's beyond your belief what happens.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Steve, I know exactly who this is, my friend.
Speaker 2: You got to call more off and I miss talking
Speaker 2: to you. Okay, thank you so much, good talking to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: The movie is Unhinged with Russell Crowe. Thanks. There's a
Speaker 2: movie selection. Thank you, Thanks Steve. All Right, we're done.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk next hour about Paula and why
Speaker 2: are there a lot of big political institutions not endorsing
Speaker 2: this year. Feel free. We'll open it up right after
Speaker 2: the ten