Speaker 1: My friend Katie Faust on her third book, So Successful.
God has blessed to work because she has decided to
focus her life on protecting children against adult desires, sin
like and otherwise prideful desires. And that's super important in
a world that is now looking at kids as objects
to be manipulated and looking at them as as devices
that need apps installed and bodies that are just wrong
and parental rights need to be jettisoned. Katie Faust joins
us next with the help of God Almighty, Thank you
Lord for making it possible.
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my friend Katie, welcome back to the Todd Herman Show.
It's always a pleasure to see you. Appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3: Thanks again for having me. Very grateful that you are
always eager to talk about ways that this world is
seeking to victimize children and bring light to the solutions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they really are seeking to do that. I
wanted to ask you, Katie, who is actually attacking the
rights of parents and therefore the protections of children. Who
are they?
Speaker 3: Well, it's very hard to narrow it down because there's
not a whole lot of areas of this world where
the rights of parents or the rights of children are
being protected. I actually met last week with the head
of Alliance Defending Freedom's parental rights team, and you know,
she really explained that there's one place. I mean, obviously,
parental rights are underttacked in so many different ways, but
there is a bit of a focal point where it
all comes together, and that is where schools are transing
the kids. Because when you want to look at what
is the purview of parents, what is it that their
constitutional pre constitutional right, Like, what is it that they
have a right to. They have a right to the
upbringing of their child, the education of their child, and
the medical decisions of their child. And when schools decide
that actually we can transition your child without your knowledge
under the name of education, that sort of is the
nexus of the know all three of those streams of
parental rights when it comes to their own kids. So
while they are under attack in a variety of different ways.
It is what we're seeing in the schools specifically where
we see the attack on parents and as an extension
on children, the most distinctly displayed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that distinct display. It's like people will say
they've given up even hiding this. And I want to
run something by you. I once you think about this
for a second, I'm going to name five entities that
I call the party, and I think these are the
entities that are pushing this, and I want to see
if you agree, maybe we can talk about some per personalities.
Because if you can't identify the people going after your kids,
I think it's very difficult to fight them. But I
also want people to keep in mind our enemies shall
not have flesh and blood. This is a spiritual battle.
So I'll ask Katie about that second she can think
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So Katie to me, it's this. At the center of
this is pharma, and they make money with every kid
who's tranced. They make money with every kid who's taught
that having an STD is normal. They make money every
time people end up having sex and getting an abortion.
Right that they make money with planned parenthood, the Mockingbird media.
They have now sensatialism, they've invented they invented the word teenager.
Now they're helping to invent the phrase transgender, which is
meaningless and it creates a demographic. They have the deep
state that they want to have control over people. Well,
if kids need the government money to keep this illusion
going for the rest of their life, they're winners. Academia,
They for years wanted to tear down American culture because
they want to rebuild it. And the last one is
the government school system, which benefits by creating a them
versus us thing where they control more than the parents.
Did I get that right?
Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean you're heading on all the major
players here, and you're exactly right that ultimately all of
these different entities have interests in children, interests in co
opting children, their minds, their bodies, their family, their lives.
I mean, really, children aren't risk their futures, their financial stability.
You know, everything is really like how much can we
get to the kids. The problem is there's always something
standing in the way when it comes to getting to
the kids, whether it's in doctrination in the school situation,
whether it's making money off of them by turning them
into lifelong consumers of pharmaceuticals and cosmetic surgery through transgenderism.
You know, whether it is the deep state who would
like the kids to be reliant on the government, you know, primarily,
and what is always in the way. It's parents, right,
It's the people who, by nature and by God's ordinance,
are commanded to and naturally connected to kids in a
way that nobody else is. And that is why parents
are the natural protectors and should be the natural protectors
of their kids. And it is parents that are always
foiling the plans of all of these entities that are
trying to get their hands on the kids. And so,
of course that means that parental rights and the recognition
that parents have a special bond connection to an obligation
to their own children is always going to be the
object of these attacks.
Speaker 1: Katie, You've met face to face with people who think
this is all a very good idea to take away
parental rights, and I've met few of them, and the
ones I have met have been protesting me, or threatening
to kill me or have me fired. You've been on
panels with them, polite conversations with human beings who believe
they should be able to steal the parameter rights of parents.
What is that like? I mean, not everybody, all these
people are the same, but that has to chill you.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is that all of this makes a
lot of sense if you're living in the land of ideology.
If you never touch grass, as the kids say, then
sure all of this looks really really good. I mean,
you have entire you know, sectors of academia. There is
saying that children need to be liberated. We needed children's
liberation movement, But of course who are they going to
be liberated from. It's the parents, right, they see this
because sure there's incidents where kids are controlled or abused,
sometimes by parents. The problem is that in this world
of reality that we're actually living in, parents are the
most connected to, invested in, and protective of kids. And
if you're going to liberate children from their parents, you
don't liberate them from oppression and control and abuse. You
simply transfer the abuse and the control, and very very
often you know that matrix of genuine oppression to another
entity that maybe doesn't even know the kid's name and
certainly was not there when they were waking up at
four in the morning with a fever and needing you know,
comfort and care. So this whole thing just gets both
children and parents wrong. And it can come from people
that are supposedly well meaning. It's just they're not in
contact with reality at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's that's a piece I wanted to focus
done because I think this is really really important. I
can remember having a conversation with a college professor before
I dropped out of college, and he'd asked us to
present our fantasy, uh scenario for society. Okay, his name
is Rudy. It's really nice guy, super nice guy. Really
liked him. He was kind of making an impression on me.
And one day I asked him, Hey, what, Rudy, you've
never shared yours. You know, you had us write all
these papers. What's yours? And he said, well, my ultimate
goal for society, or my fantasyst society, is everybody would
pay be paid the same thing. No, don't know what
you did, so you you know, a surgeon would be
the pa paid the same thing as someone who you know,
cleans up after the surgeon and I sat there dumbfounded,
and I said, well, but then we have too many
people who are let's say, tearing tickets at movie theaters,
Because what do you mean, I go, If I'm paid
the same money to stand there and get free movies
and tear a piece of paper, I don't think I'd
pursue what it would take to become a surgeon. And
he got very very offended at me, and I'd pierced
that veil, that that you know, living in theory veil.
But if I look at Tim Waltz, or I look
at a Cammy Harris, or I look at a Gavin Newsom,
or I look at a Jay Insley, those people are
mendacious and there's great evil done through them. But when
you're sitting on a panel with an academic and they
present this to you, I don't want to be I
don't want to make this across the board. But do
you get any sense at all that they have any
empathy for parents in this situation? No?
Speaker 3: No, And here's the thing, Like, it's not just the panelists, right,
it is the elites that are I mean, you can
you know, you can like make fun all you want
of Jadvance's you know, child as cat ladies like Quip.
But I know that like at the G eight summit
a couple of years ago, you looked at all the
different world leaders, especially across Europe, and hardly any of
them had children. I mean, we really are in a
place where these people aren't even touching grass when it
comes to their own front yard with their own children,
and so they just don't have as many opportunities to
actually see what's the world really like. And then what
happens is when you actually have your own child, you go, oh,
wait a second, nobody's going to touch this kid. But
if you don't have your own kids, and that is
the problem. We are largely merging into a society that
is free of marriage, and if you're free of marriage,
you're often free of children as well. But even the
people who are getting married often aren't having their own kids.
So it's very hard to understand how somebody could want
the best for their kids. When wouldn't it be easier
if the state just decided. I mean, really, that's where
the problem is, is that the top policy leaders that
think they know better for kids than their own parents.
Speaker 1: So well said I read a fascinating statistic, and it
is that in big cities they're seeing a net decrease
in population. A lot of that is outflow, but another
part of it is people are not having kids in
the big cities, and families are relocating to the suburbs
or leaving the Blue States for the rehetor states. They're
taking their kids with them and having more kids. So
it is creating this environment, this bifurcation in the country,
which is another form of Balkanization. And I want to
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you've seen the same statistics that the cities are becoming.
These childless places, and as they get that, they're getting
more and more political bulk. The suburbs are becoming the
place for families, and we're seeing again a Balkanization and
a splitting in the country. I happen to think there
are people on top of Camea harrison, around her and
around the figurehead who want this to happen because it's
divide and conquer. It's a color revolution. What do you
think the why is on people doing this to families
and to kids.
Speaker 3: This is actually the thing that nobody's talking about that
everybody should be talking about. Yes, definitely, the sorting that's
going on within the United States between red and blue,
whether that cities or states. But the actual population dearth,
the population's spiral that we as a country are in.
More than seventy percent of the world's population lives in
countries that are not replacing themselves. It is a major
excuse for immigration policy, bad immigration policy. So actually, my
next book, pro child Politics, which looks at every political
issue through the lens of what is best for kids.
We've got seven different chapters that touch on why is
it that people are not having kids? One reason is
the economy, right Chris Bedford of The Blaze writes our
economy chapter and talks about why economics is set up
against families and just ordinary Americans. We've got our environment
chapter written by Chris Barnard of the American Conservation American
Conservative Coalition, and he's a conservative environmentalist, talking about how
environmental policy and the ways we talk about climate has
scared young people out of having children, and that's a
huge part of them not choosing not to have kids
of their own. We've got a chapter written on taxes
by Grover Norquist. We've got Phil Kirpan wrote our debt chapter.
The ways that we are using our entitlements and the
ways that we are structuring our taxes de incentivizes people
having families. We've got a chapter written on masculinity by
the president of Promise Keepers, who talks about how the
denigration of manhood makes it harder for men to foreign families.
And then p ch Keenan of domestic extremist fame wrote
our feminism chapter. We're lying to women about the importance
of marriage and family and telling them that career is
what is going to fulfill them. So there's so many
forces that are working against ordinary people forming and maintaining
families and choosing to have children. And unfortunately so many
of those messages are coming directly from the left.
Speaker 1: Okay, so is a why. And I love the layout
of the book and the experts and there's a link
to get in front of getting this book for yourself
and in the show notes, make sure that you do that.
All these books are worthwhile. The entire trio now of
books from Katie. The why is it tied to a
desire to have fewer humans? Because they tell us that,
I mean, Katie, they come out and say we need
seven point five billion fewer people, so their backfilling. You're
saying through this mass illegal immigration, it is illegal. We're
not checking who these people are. We see the riots
in the UK, the riots in Ireland, the troubles are back.
I can't even believe I'm watching the troubles in Belfast
where troops are saying we're going to use impact rounds
if you continue to protest the theft of farms and
houses and schools from you for the newcomers, and it
doesn't help the newcomers to come and be absolutely resented.
So is part of this a desire to have fewer humans.
Speaker 3: Well, definitely, there are segments of the climate alarmists that
have said depopulation is a huge part, a huge plank
in their goals, and that absolutely deserves some of the blame.
But that's not everything. I mean, the way that we
think about what it means to be human in terms
of life, and men and women, and marriage, the importance
of marriage as an institution to advance social thriving. All
of these have been under attack, obviously, the way we
are structuring the economy to de incentivize small businesses and
reward these mass conglomerates. I mean, there are so many
ways that are stacking the deck against ordinary men and
women coming together and creating their own mini society. So
you have to do it against all odds. And I
understand why people are fleeing the cities because I'll tell
you what, it's really hard to live in an expensive
city and try to raise kids.
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to live in an expensive city, but
it's also scary. And I've seen people that there are
satellites to this day in San Franciscoites and Los Angelites
and people live in these cities who will post I
don't recognize the city you guys talk about I don't
recognize that. I don't see the high crime. I've never
been afraid in my city. But I look at that
class of people and almost universally their laptop class that
almost universally works at home, and if they're not working
at home, they're almost universally in an uber from a
home to a building dropped off. They do not have
to do this. And obviously the other day with someone
and we were setting up to have a workout in
the park and we're planning for this work at this
lake and when we were walking around, we just found
some glass. Well there's glass, And I said, you know what,
in Seattle people check the playgrounds and soccer fields for needles.
And there were people saying, wait, what right, No, this
is a ritual, you do this, and so as people
are moving out of these areas. That's also an anti crime.
Are an anti child policy? Pro crime?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Do you guys cover that at all? You cover crime?
Speaker 3: Oh babe. Our mutual friend Ari Hoffman wrote an entire
chapter on policing and why policing is actually a matter
of justice for children, And of course I got somebody
in Seattle to do it because Seattle is the place
where they tested so many of these wild destructive leftists theories,
and we got to see how it worked out firsthand.
And how did.
Speaker 1: I mean right? People died right, right? And people well
not just died, but are murdered, and I mean all
sorts of forms of death. So I want to get
into what pro child politics means to you and what
the these policies would be and how we as a
country adopt this. So get ready to present this to
us in actionable form, things that we can do, Positions
we can vote for, and even if you're a mind
to do this, people for whom we can vote to. So,
Katie Fous, what make up pro child politics? How do
we take action on this? And what can we go do?
Speaker 3: We took nineteen of the most evergreen political issues, the
things that are always going to come up at every
single election, and we said, if we framed this in
terms of what was best for children, what would policy
look like? And so we've got all the social issues,
we've got the economic issues. We even got the national
security people to come in here. You've got the three
different legs of the conservative stool represented here, and we
brought them all together because when you actually craft policy
based on the next generation, you get principled conservatism. So
the book sort of functions as a primer, like three
thousand words on ESG. If you don't know what that
is and how to think about it, here's three thousand
words from Justin Danoff, who helped Vivake Promise Swami start
his company Strive, telling you this is what EESG is,
this is how it damages kids. This is actually what
we would look like if we wanted to create an equitable, injustice,
sustainable society for kids. Right. I mean, so you've got
this in essence political lesson on all these different topics
from the top experts, but they all frame them through
the lens of if we prioritized kids, what would our
policies look like? But they also all begin with the
real life story of a child who was victimized because
we believed leftist lies. And so this book does what
very few other conservative materials do, which is identify the victim,
ask kids, and then humanize the child. I mean, we've
always had the best statistics and the best research. The
left does a good job of humanizing their victims and
making you empathize and sympathize with them. So I'm not
going to let them do that anymore. You're going to
the real life stories of kids who are victimized because
we got immigration policy wrong, because we got foreign policy wrong,
because we got education wrong, because we got masculinity wrong,
we got race wrong. Like what is it like when
we believe left is lies about pornography. We're going to
show you the kids that are victimized, their mind, body, soul, heart,
future lost because we are not thinking rightly about these issues.
So that's what it is. It's a way to think
properly about politics, all political issues if you're looking at
it through the lens of child protection.
Speaker 1: And child protection started with a family. The first one
started in Genesis. And so we also have this model.
And I know you to be a godly woman, and
this model has to of course take God's word into this.
So let me take a tough one, okay, because I
think the pornography on this podcast family, this radio show family.
They know that I looked at my last porn decades
ago and I'll never look at it again, Praise God.
And they know my position on this. I think porn
hub is a criminal enterprise that should be just. It
should be recoded out of business. I think that they
encourage child rape. That's my opinion. But let's take just
national security. That's an interesting one because I'm thinking about this,
if I were looking at national security through child's eyes,
how might I look at that?
Speaker 3: Katie Well Dan Caldwell, who is a veteran in this space,
wrote our three thousand words on national security and he
identifies So what I made every author do is begin
with the story of a real life child who was victimized,
and then identify what are the lies about national security
that you hear all the time? And then how do
those lies harm kids? So what are some of the
lies that Dan pointed out? Well, first that we have
to be the world's policeman, right, and like what is
it like when we think, oh, we've got to go
out and solve every single problem, we have to like
build every school in Afghanistan? Like, how does that mentality
around national security victimized kids? So that's one lie that
he points out. Another lie is we need to be
total isolationists. We should never engage in what's happening in
the rest of the world. And then he identifies that
kind of falty mentality and how that victimizes kids, and
both of them really weaken our ability to defend ourselves
against the very serious foreign threats that are not just
present but growing against us. And then he identifies what
is the truth about foreign policy that you need to
keep in mind, and in summary, he says realism and restraint.
Be realistic about the threats coming against America and have
restraints so that you can fight the battles that you
really need to very very well. And if we did that,
how would children benefit? What would child protection look like
if we actually did that national security priority exactly as
it should be done. And then I made every author
wrap up their chapter with show me who's done this well?
Where what bodies local, foreign, national? What have they done
to show how these policies implemented actually are effective. And
so he lists some ways that we could overhaul our
national security system and rubric to move in a direction
where the next generation is going to be better protected.
So we did that on every subject. It is so
easy to digest and understand, and you are getting high
quality content from people that know these subjects inside and out.
Speaker 1: Give me your favorite story. You're a great storyteller. I've
seen you online have people who grew up with a
single parents or same sex attracted parents, and you've solicited
from them their stories and it's been very, very persuasive.
So if you're to pick one from a book or
one that can really just bring us across, share with
us one.
Speaker 3: I made all of the authors find a real life
child who was harmed because we got the wrong I
had a lot to learn about a lot of these topics.
One of them was ESG and Dei, and so Justin
Danoff started off with the story of a little girl
in Sri Lanka who went from a pretty stable, middle
class family to virtually starving because the Esg and Dei
regimes were imposed upon Shri Lanka in the name of,
you know, saving the planet, and it actually resulted in
starvation and death for children. And so it's stories like
that where you humanize and you show the drastic decline
in well being a real life children because we are
pushing something that, like we talked about earlier, sound fantastic
and ideology land. But when you actually implement in the
real world, kids suffer.
Speaker 1: Can any of this be done fruitfully without it being
biblically based.
Speaker 3: Well, you can make arguments based on God's world. Right,
so that would be natural law, social science, obviously, the
real life stories of kids. But anything that is true
that you can verify quantify is always going to be
reflect Anything true in the world will always be fortified
and buttressed by the Word of God. Right, what is
in the Word of God is always going to completely
complement the world of God. And so we tactically at
them before us my nonprofit, we make the decision to
argue based on God's world. What can we learn about
how children ought to live, what they need, how they
come to be, to what they have a right by
appealing to God's world right, that universal authority to which
everybody must submit, and it always reinforces and complements God's word,
which is my ultimate authority. Tactically, we're like, you don't
need to appeal to Genesis one to one to make
this case. We will show you the authority of God
as manifest in the world that you can touch and
taste and verify yourself.
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting approach. So there's that very famous saying.
Sometimes I don't even know if they really know who
said it, but that phrase share the Gospel with everyone
you meet and so, and when necessarily use words, sometimes
people say with spurgeon, do you know who actually said it?
Speaker 3: I think it was St. Francis of ASISI.
Speaker 1: Okay, St. Francis of ASISI would make sense. So your
tactical decision is, then, I guess, not to be overtly
Christian or to come straight out with the word of
God the Bible, but to show truth that we'll always
go back to God, because God is truth. And the
tactical decision is an open door. It's a big tent.
What is it?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Is it? The best way to protect kids is to,
I guess, jam suggest God.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that it is to fervently argue on
their behalf in ways that are irrefutable and undeniable. That's
what I'm after. And unfortunately, I think that Christians did
not do the hard work of making their case in
a way that the world could understand, and instead fell
back on just quoting scripture. And I say just quoting
scripture because I love the Word of God. I mean
like I'm in it. I try to read the Bible
with everyone that I'm with. But when it comes to
communicating policy objectives, unfortunately, that can serve to discredit us
in their mind, rather than bring doing it's harder. It's
harder to understand the historical, anthropological, social science, psychological aspects
of this and then bring to them a case that
perfectly represents the Word of God but doesn't a way
where they're not able to dismiss us because we are
only quoting an authority that they don't recognize.
Speaker 1: So technically I totally get that, and I think it's
a very smart tactic. One of my views in this
don't know that I have any I don't know that
biblical support for this, but I don't know that I don't.
It seems to me that we serve a God who's
very very happy to say, looks like you guys got that,
I'll handled, looks looks like you don't need me have fun,
or to say to us, oh, you want a king, Well,
I think that's a bad idea because they're going to
tax you, and they're gonna trans your kids, and they're
going to steal your parental rights. But okay, go have
a king and go experience that. I happen to think
that a tactical use of the Word of God in
these environments and oh, my gosh, even in Congress of
the Senate. My belief is that God's word never returns void.
And my sense is that if God started seeing his
words spoken into some of these things, he might say, Okay,
oh wait, did you want me to help? Because I'm
getting the sense you might want my help now because
he seems fine to let us use our own devices.
So what's your view of that dynamic?
Speaker 3: I agree that, Well, I totally understand where you're coming from.
And i will say that, you know, I've spent quite
a bit a time of the last day or two
talking with an Orthodox jew Orthodox Jewish rabbi who is
working to fight against the creep of reproductive technologies into
the world of Orthodox Judaism, and for him, I'm saying,
what you need to do is you need to rely
on the thirty nine scriptural principles in the Old Testament
that explicitly talk about your obligation to defend the fatherless.
That's the authority that your audience is going to hear.
And so what you have to do is you have
to make the case. And he is ready and willing
and excited to do this. I'm not telling him something
he doesn't know that actually, when you endorse things like IVF, surrogacy,
sperm and egg donation, you're not defending the fatherless, you're
manufacturing the fatherless. And so you have to figure out,
you know, what are the pressure points for each culture,
and what's the biblical precedent for this. I would say
it's Paul at Mars Hill.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: When Paul goes and he speaks to the Jews, he'll
quote scripture. But when he's going to speak to you know,
the the philosophers and the Stoics, he appeals to philosophy, right,
he appeals to the Aristotelian principles that they spend hours
and hours and hours debating. It's really all Christians saying
like you want to be all things to all people,
then you have to study those people and you have
to figure out what are the areas that resonate with them,
and then you bring the truth of God into that situation.
And I would say that's especially pressing for Christians if
you are fighting on behalf of the vulnerable and victimized, right,
it is a bit of throwing pearls before swine. If
you're just like Bible verse here, Bible Verse there, No,
you want to throw something at them that they can't
help but beat up. And then you say, and now
I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Tell you exactly why I love it. I love it
so well, said such an aunored Ivy on the program.
So I'm proud of you and so thankful for what
you do and always a thrilled to see you continue
to succeed. There's a link to the book and the
show notes Katie Faust, I always appreciate you. Please go
with God's good grace.
Speaker 3: Thank you again for letting me speak to your audience.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. This is the Todd Hermann Shaw. Please go,
be well, be strong, be kind, and please make every
effort to walk in the light of Christ.