1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: My friend Katie Faust on her third book, So Successful. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,759 God has blessed to work because she has decided to 3 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:12,000 focus her life on protecting children against adult desires, sin 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,559 like and otherwise prideful desires. And that's super important in 5 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:19,760 a world that is now looking at kids as objects 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,679 to be manipulated and looking at them as as devices 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,920 that need apps installed and bodies that are just wrong 8 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:30,760 and parental rights need to be jettisoned. Katie Faust joins 9 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:33,000 us next with the help of God Almighty, Thank you 10 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:34,280 Lord for making it possible. 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,719 Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by 12 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:46,719 big pharma, technocrats and tyrants everywhere. No from the high 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:53,840 mountains of Free America. Here's the Emerald City exile Tod Herman. 14 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Today is a day the Lord has made in. These 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,640 are the times so which God has decided we shall live. Oh, 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,239 my friend Katie, welcome back to the Todd Herman Show. 17 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:12,920 It's always a pleasure to see you. Appreciate you coming on. 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: Thanks again for having me. Very grateful that you are 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,879 always eager to talk about ways that this world is 20 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:21,959 seeking to victimize children and bring light to the solutions. 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they really are seeking to do that. I 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,000 wanted to ask you, Katie, who is actually attacking the 23 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:32,719 rights of parents and therefore the protections of children. Who 24 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:33,120 are they? 25 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:36,439 Speaker 3: Well, it's very hard to narrow it down because there's 26 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:38,319 not a whole lot of areas of this world where 27 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:40,239 the rights of parents or the rights of children are 28 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:42,920 being protected. I actually met last week with the head 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,439 of Alliance Defending Freedom's parental rights team, and you know, 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,719 she really explained that there's one place. I mean, obviously, 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,879 parental rights are underttacked in so many different ways, but 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,799 there is a bit of a focal point where it 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,959 all comes together, and that is where schools are transing 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,840 the kids. Because when you want to look at what 35 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:04,280 is the purview of parents, what is it that their 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,080 constitutional pre constitutional right, Like, what is it that they 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,719 have a right to. They have a right to the 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,000 upbringing of their child, the education of their child, and 39 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,759 the medical decisions of their child. And when schools decide 40 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:19,080 that actually we can transition your child without your knowledge 41 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:21,759 under the name of education, that sort of is the 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,039 nexus of the know all three of those streams of 43 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:28,280 parental rights when it comes to their own kids. So 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,960 while they are under attack in a variety of different ways. 45 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,000 It is what we're seeing in the schools specifically where 46 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:37,639 we see the attack on parents and as an extension 47 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:42,439 on children, the most distinctly displayed. 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that distinct display. It's like people will say 49 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:48,319 they've given up even hiding this. And I want to 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,280 run something by you. I once you think about this 51 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,120 for a second, I'm going to name five entities that 52 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:55,840 I call the party, and I think these are the 53 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,719 entities that are pushing this, and I want to see 54 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,520 if you agree, maybe we can talk about some per personalities. 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,800 Because if you can't identify the people going after your kids, 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,800 I think it's very difficult to fight them. But I 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,680 also want people to keep in mind our enemies shall 58 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,280 not have flesh and blood. This is a spiritual battle. 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,280 So I'll ask Katie about that second she can think 60 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:15,639 about it. There is an attack on our financial system. 61 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:20,199 It's so so obvious, the high inflation world you're living in. 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,960 That takes your retirement account and whatever it is. Let's 63 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,159 maybe got ten million in your retirement account. No you don't. 64 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:27,639 That could be eight point five million. If you've got 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,560 five hundred thousand dollars, it could be two hundred and 66 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:32,520 fifty that could be no retirement. 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Know 77 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:07,879 your Risk Radio dot Com or you can call them 78 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:10,680 eight six six seven to seven nine risk Lower Capital 79 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,360 Managements and Investment Advisor representative of a Treek Financial LC 80 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:16,480 and sec REGIM investment Advisor. Investments involve risk, you could 81 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:19,839 lose money. Past performance doesn't guarantee future results. TRUK twenty 82 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:22,279 four DESH two four for Know Your Riskradio dot Com. 83 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,480 So Katie to me, it's this. At the center of 84 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:28,439 this is pharma, and they make money with every kid 85 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,439 who's tranced. They make money with every kid who's taught 86 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:34,519 that having an STD is normal. They make money every 87 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,519 time people end up having sex and getting an abortion. 88 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,959 Right that they make money with planned parenthood, the Mockingbird media. 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,839 They have now sensatialism, they've invented they invented the word teenager. 90 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:48,279 Now they're helping to invent the phrase transgender, which is 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,160 meaningless and it creates a demographic. They have the deep 92 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:53,600 state that they want to have control over people. Well, 93 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,160 if kids need the government money to keep this illusion 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,879 going for the rest of their life, they're winners. Academia, 95 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,160 They for years wanted to tear down American culture because 96 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:05,079 they want to rebuild it. And the last one is 97 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:10,160 the government school system, which benefits by creating a them 98 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,680 versus us thing where they control more than the parents. 99 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:13,519 Did I get that right? 100 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean you're heading on all the major 101 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:20,639 players here, and you're exactly right that ultimately all of 102 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:25,120 these different entities have interests in children, interests in co 103 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:29,879 opting children, their minds, their bodies, their family, their lives. 104 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:34,040 I mean, really, children aren't risk their futures, their financial stability. 105 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,920 You know, everything is really like how much can we 106 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:39,879 get to the kids. The problem is there's always something 107 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,800 standing in the way when it comes to getting to 108 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:45,800 the kids, whether it's in doctrination in the school situation, 109 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,560 whether it's making money off of them by turning them 110 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,600 into lifelong consumers of pharmaceuticals and cosmetic surgery through transgenderism. 111 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:55,279 You know, whether it is the deep state who would 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,560 like the kids to be reliant on the government, you know, primarily, 113 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:03,240 and what is always in the way. It's parents, right, 114 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:07,040 It's the people who, by nature and by God's ordinance, 115 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,800 are commanded to and naturally connected to kids in a 116 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,800 way that nobody else is. And that is why parents 117 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,439 are the natural protectors and should be the natural protectors 118 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,759 of their kids. And it is parents that are always 119 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,279 foiling the plans of all of these entities that are 120 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:25,560 trying to get their hands on the kids. And so, 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,120 of course that means that parental rights and the recognition 122 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:31,639 that parents have a special bond connection to an obligation 123 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,000 to their own children is always going to be the 124 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,360 object of these attacks. 125 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: Katie, You've met face to face with people who think 126 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,160 this is all a very good idea to take away 127 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,759 parental rights, and I've met few of them, and the 128 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,920 ones I have met have been protesting me, or threatening 129 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,160 to kill me or have me fired. You've been on 130 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,199 panels with them, polite conversations with human beings who believe 131 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,399 they should be able to steal the parameter rights of parents. 132 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:00,319 What is that like? I mean, not everybody, all these 133 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:03,079 people are the same, but that has to chill you. 134 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: Well, the problem is that all of this makes a 135 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,519 lot of sense if you're living in the land of ideology. 136 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:11,600 If you never touch grass, as the kids say, then 137 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:14,399 sure all of this looks really really good. I mean, 138 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:17,839 you have entire you know, sectors of academia. There is 139 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:20,439 saying that children need to be liberated. We needed children's 140 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:22,680 liberation movement, But of course who are they going to 141 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,720 be liberated from. It's the parents, right, they see this 142 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,199 because sure there's incidents where kids are controlled or abused, 143 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:32,800 sometimes by parents. The problem is that in this world 144 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:35,519 of reality that we're actually living in, parents are the 145 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,639 most connected to, invested in, and protective of kids. And 146 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,199 if you're going to liberate children from their parents, you 147 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,199 don't liberate them from oppression and control and abuse. You 148 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,199 simply transfer the abuse and the control, and very very 149 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,160 often you know that matrix of genuine oppression to another 150 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,199 entity that maybe doesn't even know the kid's name and 151 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:58,240 certainly was not there when they were waking up at 152 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,199 four in the morning with a fever and needing you know, 153 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,920 comfort and care. So this whole thing just gets both 154 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,279 children and parents wrong. And it can come from people 155 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,720 that are supposedly well meaning. It's just they're not in 156 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,399 contact with reality at all. 157 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: Okay, And that's that's a piece I wanted to focus 158 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:18,079 done because I think this is really really important. I 159 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,680 can remember having a conversation with a college professor before 160 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,519 I dropped out of college, and he'd asked us to 161 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:31,240 present our fantasy, uh scenario for society. Okay, his name 162 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:34,279 is Rudy. It's really nice guy, super nice guy. Really 163 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,440 liked him. He was kind of making an impression on me. 164 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,840 And one day I asked him, Hey, what, Rudy, you've 165 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,320 never shared yours. You know, you had us write all 166 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,480 these papers. What's yours? And he said, well, my ultimate 167 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,919 goal for society, or my fantasyst society, is everybody would 168 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:50,799 pay be paid the same thing. No, don't know what 169 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,399 you did, so you you know, a surgeon would be 170 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,919 the pa paid the same thing as someone who you know, 171 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,240 cleans up after the surgeon and I sat there dumbfounded, 172 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 and I said, well, but then we have too many 173 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:10,000 people who are let's say, tearing tickets at movie theaters, 174 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,519 Because what do you mean, I go, If I'm paid 175 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:16,200 the same money to stand there and get free movies 176 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,440 and tear a piece of paper, I don't think I'd 177 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,320 pursue what it would take to become a surgeon. And 178 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,120 he got very very offended at me, and I'd pierced 179 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:29,399 that veil, that that you know, living in theory veil. 180 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,519 But if I look at Tim Waltz, or I look 181 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,240 at a Cammy Harris, or I look at a Gavin Newsom, 182 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:37,240 or I look at a Jay Insley, those people are 183 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,159 mendacious and there's great evil done through them. But when 184 00:09:40,159 --> 00:09:43,639 you're sitting on a panel with an academic and they 185 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,799 present this to you, I don't want to be I 186 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,039 don't want to make this across the board. But do 187 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,639 you get any sense at all that they have any 188 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,200 empathy for parents in this situation? No? 189 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,159 Speaker 3: No, And here's the thing, Like, it's not just the panelists, right, 190 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,240 it is the elites that are I mean, you can 191 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,600 you know, you can like make fun all you want 192 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,200 of Jadvance's you know, child as cat ladies like Quip. 193 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:11,799 But I know that like at the G eight summit 194 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,600 a couple of years ago, you looked at all the 195 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,279 different world leaders, especially across Europe, and hardly any of 196 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:18,440 them had children. I mean, we really are in a 197 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,600 place where these people aren't even touching grass when it 198 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:24,000 comes to their own front yard with their own children, 199 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,960 and so they just don't have as many opportunities to 200 00:10:27,039 --> 00:10:29,799 actually see what's the world really like. And then what 201 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:33,440 happens is when you actually have your own child, you go, oh, 202 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,200 wait a second, nobody's going to touch this kid. But 203 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,960 if you don't have your own kids, and that is 204 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,120 the problem. We are largely merging into a society that 205 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,519 is free of marriage, and if you're free of marriage, 206 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:46,879 you're often free of children as well. But even the 207 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:49,440 people who are getting married often aren't having their own kids. 208 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:52,039 So it's very hard to understand how somebody could want 209 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,080 the best for their kids. When wouldn't it be easier 210 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,559 if the state just decided. I mean, really, that's where 211 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,720 the problem is, is that the top policy leaders that 212 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,960 think they know better for kids than their own parents. 213 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:09,799 Speaker 1: So well said I read a fascinating statistic, and it 214 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:14,279 is that in big cities they're seeing a net decrease 215 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,600 in population. A lot of that is outflow, but another 216 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,600 part of it is people are not having kids in 217 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:27,159 the big cities, and families are relocating to the suburbs 218 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,799 or leaving the Blue States for the rehetor states. They're 219 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,960 taking their kids with them and having more kids. So 220 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,360 it is creating this environment, this bifurcation in the country, 221 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:41,679 which is another form of Balkanization. And I want to 222 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,720 ask you about that, and I want to ask you 223 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:48,200 about the why. We've talked about the cup, but is 224 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,720 there a why beyond Oh, it seems like a good idea. 225 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,279 Is there a more obvious, nefarious endgame? And we'll talk 226 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:57,279 with Katie Faust about this. She's the author of a 227 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,000 new book we'll talk about now on pro shod politics, 228 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:02,360 and a very successful author and a very very dear 229 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,480 friend of ours. Well, get Katie's answer. I'll remind you 230 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:07,840 something that you can do in your own home, your business, 231 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:12,440 your car, your truck, your college, dorm, your cabin. You 232 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,279 do not have to live with the instille that's bad 233 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,679 smells of let's say a cabin filled with a whole 234 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,879 bunch of adolescents. Lovely kids love them, but not always 235 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:23,320 the most hygienic people. You can plug into the wall, 236 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,759 take it with you wherever you go. It's called the 237 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,759 Thunderstorm two. It's from eatin Perer Deals. It produces ozone 238 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:32,919 in the room, and that ozone molecules, the O three 239 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 molecules bond to the bad smells. They negate them. It 240 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,639 actually works with viruses as well. This thing is so 241 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,600 potent you will begin to have your room smell like 242 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:44,200 a thunderstorm about three minutes after you plug it in. 243 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,080 And it can get you whole home coverage right now 244 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,200 in a buy one, get one free offer. These things 245 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,240 are silent. They don't have air filters. You'd have to 246 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,679 replace the air filters every year. You wipe it off 247 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,559 with a warm cloth once in a while. Go to 248 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:01,039 edenprier deals dot com, use code Todd bog go buy one, 249 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,000 get one. It's eedenper deals dot com us Todd logo 250 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,039 buy one, get one. Have the same thing that we 251 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,200 have in this studio here. So Katie, with that is preface, 252 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:12,360 you've seen the same statistics that the cities are becoming. 253 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,039 These childless places, and as they get that, they're getting 254 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:18,919 more and more political bulk. The suburbs are becoming the 255 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,559 place for families, and we're seeing again a Balkanization and 256 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,440 a splitting in the country. I happen to think there 257 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,360 are people on top of Camea harrison, around her and 258 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:29,919 around the figurehead who want this to happen because it's 259 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,399 divide and conquer. It's a color revolution. What do you 260 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,360 think the why is on people doing this to families 261 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:37,960 and to kids. 262 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: This is actually the thing that nobody's talking about that 263 00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:45,360 everybody should be talking about. Yes, definitely, the sorting that's 264 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:47,720 going on within the United States between red and blue, 265 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,320 whether that cities or states. But the actual population dearth, 266 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:54,799 the population's spiral that we as a country are in. 267 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,000 More than seventy percent of the world's population lives in 268 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,519 countries that are not replacing themselves. It is a major 269 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:06,480 excuse for immigration policy, bad immigration policy. So actually, my 270 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,200 next book, pro child Politics, which looks at every political 271 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,759 issue through the lens of what is best for kids. 272 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:17,399 We've got seven different chapters that touch on why is 273 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,039 it that people are not having kids? One reason is 274 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:23,639 the economy, right Chris Bedford of The Blaze writes our 275 00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:26,759 economy chapter and talks about why economics is set up 276 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:31,159 against families and just ordinary Americans. We've got our environment 277 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,159 chapter written by Chris Barnard of the American Conservation American 278 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:40,720 Conservative Coalition, and he's a conservative environmentalist, talking about how 279 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,240 environmental policy and the ways we talk about climate has 280 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,399 scared young people out of having children, and that's a 281 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,080 huge part of them not choosing not to have kids 282 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,639 of their own. We've got a chapter written on taxes 283 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:56,840 by Grover Norquist. We've got Phil Kirpan wrote our debt chapter. 284 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:00,200 The ways that we are using our entitlements and the 285 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,120 ways that we are structuring our taxes de incentivizes people 286 00:15:04,159 --> 00:15:07,600 having families. We've got a chapter written on masculinity by 287 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:10,960 the president of Promise Keepers, who talks about how the 288 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:14,720 denigration of manhood makes it harder for men to foreign families. 289 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:17,759 And then p ch Keenan of domestic extremist fame wrote 290 00:15:17,799 --> 00:15:21,240 our feminism chapter. We're lying to women about the importance 291 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:23,240 of marriage and family and telling them that career is 292 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,519 what is going to fulfill them. So there's so many 293 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:29,039 forces that are working against ordinary people forming and maintaining 294 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:32,519 families and choosing to have children. And unfortunately so many 295 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:34,799 of those messages are coming directly from the left. 296 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,919 Speaker 1: Okay, so is a why. And I love the layout 297 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,639 of the book and the experts and there's a link 298 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,639 to get in front of getting this book for yourself 299 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,679 and in the show notes, make sure that you do that. 300 00:15:44,799 --> 00:15:47,600 All these books are worthwhile. The entire trio now of 301 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,840 books from Katie. The why is it tied to a 302 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:55,559 desire to have fewer humans? Because they tell us that, 303 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,159 I mean, Katie, they come out and say we need 304 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:03,320 seven point five billion fewer people, so their backfilling. You're 305 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,720 saying through this mass illegal immigration, it is illegal. We're 306 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,519 not checking who these people are. We see the riots 307 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:12,240 in the UK, the riots in Ireland, the troubles are back. 308 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,279 I can't even believe I'm watching the troubles in Belfast 309 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:17,879 where troops are saying we're going to use impact rounds 310 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:21,600 if you continue to protest the theft of farms and 311 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,840 houses and schools from you for the newcomers, and it 312 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,799 doesn't help the newcomers to come and be absolutely resented. 313 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,759 So is part of this a desire to have fewer humans. 314 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,879 Speaker 3: Well, definitely, there are segments of the climate alarmists that 315 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,639 have said depopulation is a huge part, a huge plank 316 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:42,440 in their goals, and that absolutely deserves some of the blame. 317 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:44,799 But that's not everything. I mean, the way that we 318 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:46,879 think about what it means to be human in terms 319 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:50,919 of life, and men and women, and marriage, the importance 320 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:54,120 of marriage as an institution to advance social thriving. All 321 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:57,279 of these have been under attack, obviously, the way we 322 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,440 are structuring the economy to de incentivize small businesses and 323 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,319 reward these mass conglomerates. I mean, there are so many 324 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,119 ways that are stacking the deck against ordinary men and 325 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,519 women coming together and creating their own mini society. So 326 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,160 you have to do it against all odds. And I 327 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,799 understand why people are fleeing the cities because I'll tell 328 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:17,960 you what, it's really hard to live in an expensive 329 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,119 city and try to raise kids. 330 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:21,319 Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to live in an expensive city, but 331 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,240 it's also scary. And I've seen people that there are 332 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,519 satellites to this day in San Franciscoites and Los Angelites 333 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:32,000 and people live in these cities who will post I 334 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:35,359 don't recognize the city you guys talk about I don't 335 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,039 recognize that. I don't see the high crime. I've never 336 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:40,759 been afraid in my city. But I look at that 337 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:44,079 class of people and almost universally their laptop class that 338 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,119 almost universally works at home, and if they're not working 339 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,839 at home, they're almost universally in an uber from a 340 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,200 home to a building dropped off. They do not have 341 00:17:53,279 --> 00:17:55,759 to do this. And obviously the other day with someone 342 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,400 and we were setting up to have a workout in 343 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,440 the park and we're planning for this work at this 344 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:01,799 lake and when we were walking around, we just found 345 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:04,720 some glass. Well there's glass, And I said, you know what, 346 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,680 in Seattle people check the playgrounds and soccer fields for needles. 347 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:13,240 And there were people saying, wait, what right, No, this 348 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,559 is a ritual, you do this, and so as people 349 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,839 are moving out of these areas. That's also an anti crime. 350 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,319 Are an anti child policy? Pro crime? 351 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: Right? 352 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,559 Speaker 1: Do you guys cover that at all? You cover crime? 353 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 3: Oh babe. Our mutual friend Ari Hoffman wrote an entire 354 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,720 chapter on policing and why policing is actually a matter 355 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:34,920 of justice for children, And of course I got somebody 356 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,319 in Seattle to do it because Seattle is the place 357 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:41,720 where they tested so many of these wild destructive leftists theories, 358 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,920 and we got to see how it worked out firsthand. 359 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:44,680 And how did. 360 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean right? People died right, right? And people well 361 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:53,039 not just died, but are murdered, and I mean all 362 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:56,000 sorts of forms of death. So I want to get 363 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,759 into what pro child politics means to you and what 364 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:02,160 the these policies would be and how we as a 365 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,839 country adopt this. So get ready to present this to 366 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,799 us in actionable form, things that we can do, Positions 367 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:10,599 we can vote for, and even if you're a mind 368 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,480 to do this, people for whom we can vote to. So, 369 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,480 Katie Fous, what make up pro child politics? How do 370 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:20,359 we take action on this? And what can we go do? 371 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 3: We took nineteen of the most evergreen political issues, the 372 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,960 things that are always going to come up at every 373 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,519 single election, and we said, if we framed this in 374 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:31,880 terms of what was best for children, what would policy 375 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,559 look like? And so we've got all the social issues, 376 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:36,880 we've got the economic issues. We even got the national 377 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,960 security people to come in here. You've got the three 378 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:42,200 different legs of the conservative stool represented here, and we 379 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:45,400 brought them all together because when you actually craft policy 380 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,680 based on the next generation, you get principled conservatism. So 381 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,440 the book sort of functions as a primer, like three 382 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,839 thousand words on ESG. If you don't know what that 383 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,680 is and how to think about it, here's three thousand 384 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,640 words from Justin Danoff, who helped Vivake Promise Swami start 385 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,960 his company Strive, telling you this is what EESG is, 386 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,000 this is how it damages kids. This is actually what 387 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,240 we would look like if we wanted to create an equitable, injustice, 388 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,920 sustainable society for kids. Right. I mean, so you've got 389 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,759 this in essence political lesson on all these different topics 390 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:18,079 from the top experts, but they all frame them through 391 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:20,759 the lens of if we prioritized kids, what would our 392 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,960 policies look like? But they also all begin with the 393 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,000 real life story of a child who was victimized because 394 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,119 we believed leftist lies. And so this book does what 395 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:34,680 very few other conservative materials do, which is identify the victim, 396 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,319 ask kids, and then humanize the child. I mean, we've 397 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,079 always had the best statistics and the best research. The 398 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,839 left does a good job of humanizing their victims and 399 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,319 making you empathize and sympathize with them. So I'm not 400 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,440 going to let them do that anymore. You're going to 401 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:50,359 the real life stories of kids who are victimized because 402 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,799 we got immigration policy wrong, because we got foreign policy wrong, 403 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,160 because we got education wrong, because we got masculinity wrong, 404 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,079 we got race wrong. Like what is it like when 405 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,440 we believe left is lies about pornography. We're going to 406 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,720 show you the kids that are victimized, their mind, body, soul, heart, 407 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:13,519 future lost because we are not thinking rightly about these issues. 408 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,559 So that's what it is. It's a way to think 409 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:19,680 properly about politics, all political issues if you're looking at 410 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,519 it through the lens of child protection. 411 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:25,599 Speaker 1: And child protection started with a family. The first one 412 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,960 started in Genesis. And so we also have this model. 413 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,960 And I know you to be a godly woman, and 414 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:34,200 this model has to of course take God's word into this. 415 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,839 So let me take a tough one, okay, because I 416 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:40,400 think the pornography on this podcast family, this radio show family. 417 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,160 They know that I looked at my last porn decades 418 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,359 ago and I'll never look at it again, Praise God. 419 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,079 And they know my position on this. I think porn 420 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,160 hub is a criminal enterprise that should be just. It 421 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,440 should be recoded out of business. I think that they 422 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,880 encourage child rape. That's my opinion. But let's take just 423 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,559 national security. That's an interesting one because I'm thinking about this, 424 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,799 if I were looking at national security through child's eyes, 425 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:08,200 how might I look at that? 426 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 3: Katie Well Dan Caldwell, who is a veteran in this space, 427 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,480 wrote our three thousand words on national security and he 428 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,200 identifies So what I made every author do is begin 429 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,200 with the story of a real life child who was victimized, 430 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:24,799 and then identify what are the lies about national security 431 00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:27,279 that you hear all the time? And then how do 432 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,960 those lies harm kids? So what are some of the 433 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,440 lies that Dan pointed out? Well, first that we have 434 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,200 to be the world's policeman, right, and like what is 435 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,559 it like when we think, oh, we've got to go 436 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:38,400 out and solve every single problem, we have to like 437 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,000 build every school in Afghanistan? Like, how does that mentality 438 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:45,440 around national security victimized kids? So that's one lie that 439 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,799 he points out. Another lie is we need to be 440 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,720 total isolationists. We should never engage in what's happening in 441 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:53,240 the rest of the world. And then he identifies that 442 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,799 kind of falty mentality and how that victimizes kids, and 443 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,599 both of them really weaken our ability to defend ourselves 444 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,759 against the very serious foreign threats that are not just 445 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,720 present but growing against us. And then he identifies what 446 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,400 is the truth about foreign policy that you need to 447 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,119 keep in mind, and in summary, he says realism and restraint. 448 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:19,799 Be realistic about the threats coming against America and have 449 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,359 restraints so that you can fight the battles that you 450 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,640 really need to very very well. And if we did that, 451 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,039 how would children benefit? What would child protection look like 452 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,400 if we actually did that national security priority exactly as 453 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,440 it should be done. And then I made every author 454 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,400 wrap up their chapter with show me who's done this well? 455 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Where what bodies local, foreign, national? What have they done 456 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,759 to show how these policies implemented actually are effective. And 457 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:52,880 so he lists some ways that we could overhaul our 458 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,680 national security system and rubric to move in a direction 459 00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,319 where the next generation is going to be better protected. 460 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,000 So we did that on every subject. It is so 461 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,319 easy to digest and understand, and you are getting high 462 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,559 quality content from people that know these subjects inside and out. 463 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,279 Speaker 1: Give me your favorite story. You're a great storyteller. I've 464 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,440 seen you online have people who grew up with a 465 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:19,160 single parents or same sex attracted parents, and you've solicited 466 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,039 from them their stories and it's been very, very persuasive. 467 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:23,960 So if you're to pick one from a book or 468 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,920 one that can really just bring us across, share with 469 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,640 us one. 470 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,799 Speaker 3: I made all of the authors find a real life 471 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,240 child who was harmed because we got the wrong I 472 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:34,480 had a lot to learn about a lot of these topics. 473 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,240 One of them was ESG and Dei, and so Justin 474 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:39,440 Danoff started off with the story of a little girl 475 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,000 in Sri Lanka who went from a pretty stable, middle 476 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,480 class family to virtually starving because the Esg and Dei 477 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:50,400 regimes were imposed upon Shri Lanka in the name of, 478 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,559 you know, saving the planet, and it actually resulted in 479 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,599 starvation and death for children. And so it's stories like 480 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,119 that where you humanize and you show the drastic decline 481 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,960 in well being a real life children because we are 482 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,359 pushing something that, like we talked about earlier, sound fantastic 483 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,440 and ideology land. But when you actually implement in the 484 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,319 real world, kids suffer. 485 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: Can any of this be done fruitfully without it being 486 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,799 biblically based. 487 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: Well, you can make arguments based on God's world. Right, 488 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000 so that would be natural law, social science, obviously, the 489 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,200 real life stories of kids. But anything that is true 490 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,039 that you can verify quantify is always going to be 491 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:35,680 reflect Anything true in the world will always be fortified 492 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,559 and buttressed by the Word of God. Right, what is 493 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,319 in the Word of God is always going to completely 494 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,279 complement the world of God. And so we tactically at 495 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:47,880 them before us my nonprofit, we make the decision to 496 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,680 argue based on God's world. What can we learn about 497 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,559 how children ought to live, what they need, how they 498 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:55,440 come to be, to what they have a right by 499 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,480 appealing to God's world right, that universal authority to which 500 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,720 everybody must submit, and it always reinforces and complements God's word, 501 00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:09,079 which is my ultimate authority. Tactically, we're like, you don't 502 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,039 need to appeal to Genesis one to one to make 503 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,039 this case. We will show you the authority of God 504 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:17,160 as manifest in the world that you can touch and 505 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,519 taste and verify yourself. 506 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,079 Speaker 1: That's a really interesting approach. So there's that very famous saying. 507 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,279 Sometimes I don't even know if they really know who 508 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:26,920 said it, but that phrase share the Gospel with everyone 509 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,559 you meet and so, and when necessarily use words, sometimes 510 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:31,559 people say with spurgeon, do you know who actually said it? 511 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,759 Speaker 3: I think it was St. Francis of ASISI. 512 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Okay, St. Francis of ASISI would make sense. So your 513 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,279 tactical decision is, then, I guess, not to be overtly 514 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,000 Christian or to come straight out with the word of 515 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,599 God the Bible, but to show truth that we'll always 516 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,000 go back to God, because God is truth. And the 517 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,079 tactical decision is an open door. It's a big tent. 518 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:56,519 What is it? 519 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: Is? 520 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:56,279 Speaker 2: It? 521 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,519 Speaker 1: Is it? The best way to protect kids is to, 522 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,200 I guess, jam suggest God. 523 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think that it is to fervently argue on 524 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:09,759 their behalf in ways that are irrefutable and undeniable. That's 525 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,039 what I'm after. And unfortunately, I think that Christians did 526 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,359 not do the hard work of making their case in 527 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,039 a way that the world could understand, and instead fell 528 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,799 back on just quoting scripture. And I say just quoting 529 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,119 scripture because I love the Word of God. I mean 530 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,240 like I'm in it. I try to read the Bible 531 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,400 with everyone that I'm with. But when it comes to 532 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,279 communicating policy objectives, unfortunately, that can serve to discredit us 533 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:37,359 in their mind, rather than bring doing it's harder. It's 534 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,519 harder to understand the historical, anthropological, social science, psychological aspects 535 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,400 of this and then bring to them a case that 536 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,480 perfectly represents the Word of God but doesn't a way 537 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,480 where they're not able to dismiss us because we are 538 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,079 only quoting an authority that they don't recognize. 539 00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: So technically I totally get that, and I think it's 540 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,559 a very smart tactic. One of my views in this 541 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,160 don't know that I have any I don't know that 542 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,359 biblical support for this, but I don't know that I don't. 543 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,119 It seems to me that we serve a God who's 544 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,559 very very happy to say, looks like you guys got that, 545 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:14,160 I'll handled, looks looks like you don't need me have fun, 546 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,559 or to say to us, oh, you want a king, Well, 547 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,279 I think that's a bad idea because they're going to 548 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,960 tax you, and they're gonna trans your kids, and they're 549 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,480 going to steal your parental rights. But okay, go have 550 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:27,599 a king and go experience that. I happen to think 551 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,799 that a tactical use of the Word of God in 552 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,960 these environments and oh, my gosh, even in Congress of 553 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,480 the Senate. My belief is that God's word never returns void. 554 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:40,400 And my sense is that if God started seeing his 555 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,720 words spoken into some of these things, he might say, Okay, 556 00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,680 oh wait, did you want me to help? Because I'm 557 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,440 getting the sense you might want my help now because 558 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,000 he seems fine to let us use our own devices. 559 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,519 So what's your view of that dynamic? 560 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,359 Speaker 3: I agree that, Well, I totally understand where you're coming from. 561 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,880 And i will say that, you know, I've spent quite 562 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,759 a bit a time of the last day or two 563 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,920 talking with an Orthodox jew Orthodox Jewish rabbi who is 564 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,279 working to fight against the creep of reproductive technologies into 565 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,480 the world of Orthodox Judaism, and for him, I'm saying, 566 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,960 what you need to do is you need to rely 567 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,160 on the thirty nine scriptural principles in the Old Testament 568 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,920 that explicitly talk about your obligation to defend the fatherless. 569 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,160 That's the authority that your audience is going to hear. 570 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,799 And so what you have to do is you have 571 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,160 to make the case. And he is ready and willing 572 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,160 and excited to do this. I'm not telling him something 573 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,200 he doesn't know that actually, when you endorse things like IVF, surrogacy, 574 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,039 sperm and egg donation, you're not defending the fatherless, you're 575 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,680 manufacturing the fatherless. And so you have to figure out, 576 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,960 you know, what are the pressure points for each culture, 577 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400 and what's the biblical precedent for this. I would say 578 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,480 it's Paul at Mars Hill. 579 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:53,839 Speaker 2: Right. 580 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: When Paul goes and he speaks to the Jews, he'll 581 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,759 quote scripture. But when he's going to speak to you know, 582 00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:06,079 the the philosophers and the Stoics, he appeals to philosophy, right, 583 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:09,400 he appeals to the Aristotelian principles that they spend hours 584 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,480 and hours and hours debating. It's really all Christians saying 585 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,200 like you want to be all things to all people, 586 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,440 then you have to study those people and you have 587 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,680 to figure out what are the areas that resonate with them, 588 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,720 and then you bring the truth of God into that situation. 589 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,559 And I would say that's especially pressing for Christians if 590 00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:28,640 you are fighting on behalf of the vulnerable and victimized, right, 591 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,559 it is a bit of throwing pearls before swine. If 592 00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,119 you're just like Bible verse here, Bible Verse there, No, 593 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,880 you want to throw something at them that they can't 594 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,960 help but beat up. And then you say, and now 595 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,359 I'm going to. 596 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: Tell you exactly why I love it. I love it 597 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,119 so well, said such an aunored Ivy on the program. 598 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,119 So I'm proud of you and so thankful for what 599 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,799 you do and always a thrilled to see you continue 600 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,319 to succeed. There's a link to the book and the 601 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:53,880 show notes Katie Faust, I always appreciate you. Please go 602 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,839 with God's good grace. 603 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,279 Speaker 3: Thank you again for letting me speak to your audience. 604 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,839 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. This is the Todd Hermann Shaw. Please go, 605 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,960 be well, be strong, be kind, and please make every 606 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,200 effort to walk in the light of Christ.