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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to gun Talk, Tom Greshamir. Give me
a call at Tom Talkgun Look, if you're a range
of ports which have been shooting, and you know, if
you bought a gun recently, we would love to hear
about that. Now. We like to talk about all the
cool stuff, you know, the guns and the optics and
the AMMO and the holsters, and then we talk about
the sexy stuff, you know, the shooting techniques and self
defense and all that and a lot of does we
forget that what you can really do to help The
secon Amendment sometimes seems mundane, but it actually has incredible
effective if you just won't get off your rear and
do it. We're joining right now by Sean Maloney and
Sean I appreciate you being there. You're a defense attorney
or a farm's instructor. You teach what to do if
you get into a shooting. And you've got a great website,
but you just wrote something I want to get into.
It's the idea of one of the more effective things
that we can do as Second Amendment activist. You wan't
take it from there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, And it's so simple.
Speaker 5: I don't know if how many of your listeners know,
but we have a thing called the Administrator Administrative Procedure Act.
Whenever the ATF or somebody puts a rule out there,
they open it up for public comments. And I think
too many gun will say, well, the ATF does whatever
they want, Why why bother or wasting my time with
a public comment?
Speaker 4: Or hey we got Trump?
Speaker 5: You know that comfort Zoner to see this attitude is
exactly how we end up using losing the threat is
when they put things out for public comment. By the
minute Straight Procedure Act, they actually look at these and
their tasks of categorizing ancient comment and numbers matter.
Speaker 4: If we if we're.
Speaker 5: Being outdone by the anti gun groups, then they're gonna win.
And actually that happened out too long long ago. On
July sixth, just a few days ago, the ATF tried
to fast track the rule to cut red tape. It
was the easy check system for dealers to verify that
their current.
Speaker 4: FFL leaders and an even you and I can use
it right, you.
Speaker 5: Know, it's promer And the anti gunners got out the
Brady bunch uh and everybody else, and they out commented us,
and the.
Speaker 4: ATF let it, took it away and let it die.
Speaker 3: So they put out this proposal and they opened up
to public comment, which they have to do and then
they are actually required to read every one of them
when they come in and so it really is important.
And the other side mobilized their forces. We sat in
our rears and we just lost this thing that would
have helped gun stores and gun owners.
Speaker 4: That's right when we when we got.
Speaker 5: A uh sicat in there, Uh with the ATF, What
a victory that was. But then they learned how to
put a leash on us. That was a big win
for us when Trump appointed him. But it's not the
final victory. The victory is with everything.
Speaker 6: He put out.
Speaker 4: We still have to support those.
Speaker 5: We have to get online and we have to put
comments on there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And and like you said, the ATF is tasked with
reading each comment. Now I have to put a warning out.
If everybody's cutting, cutting, and tasting the same one, well
they'll lump they'll lump all those into one comment.
Speaker 3: So you need your own comment. But it's not that hard,
is it.
Speaker 4: No? No, not at all.
Speaker 5: Uh. We want to, you know, introduce yourself, Miami, Shan maloney,
I'm a concealed carrying instructor and this is how it
affects me, something as simple as that. Or I'm a hunter,
I'm a competitive shooter.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: Or I'm just a Second Amendment advocate. So it's really easy.
Put it in your own words and make a statement,
and your words count.
Speaker 3: You know, we have tens of millions of gun owners.
Say if you okay, if you boil the down staid,
all right, we have a million really active people. As
for ours, the war secon amendment, if you got ten
percent of those, so you got even if you got
ten thousand, I think ten thousand would have a huge impact,
wouldn't it.
Speaker 4: Well it does.
Speaker 5: And if you remember the arm brace, Uh, the arm
Brace was a huge victory for us in the comments.
So we haven't estimated somewhere between eighty and one hundred
million gun owners in America depend upon who's sat you
look at.
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 5: Want to know how many comments turned the tide on
the arm brace? Two hundred and thirty seven thousand comments
from pro gun people out of the eighty million.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's all it took.
Speaker 3: How long does it take just spitball it here to
go online? Because you can do this online.
Speaker 5: Right right, It's actually set up for us to go
online and easily let.
Speaker 4: Drop our comments.
Speaker 3: How long does that take?
Speaker 5: You know, what if you were to have it written
down or you know in your mind what you want
to say, it's going to take two or three minutes.
Speaker 3: Okay, call it five minutes on the outside five minutes.
I mean, people spend five minutes posting shall not be infringed,
you know, to no avail because it doesn't do any
good on all these social media sites. But you could
take that same five minutes and do this whenever there's
a comment period on one of these proposals and actually
do some good. This is the thing you can do.
It's really effective as opposed to just calling attention to
yourself online.
Speaker 5: Tom, You're so right, if you think about it, we
all make fun of the keyboard commandos, right right, Well,
this is a time where the keyboard commandos can really
make a difference for our rights.
Speaker 3: Excellent point. You know you want to be a keyboard
commando that actually does some good as opposed to just
turning up the heat. This is a way to do it.
So all right, here's the question then, Sean, how do
people know when there's a proposal, when there's a comment period?
Speaker 5: Well, and that you can spend your time getting online
and looking for them.
Speaker 4: And that's part of what I wanted to let everybody know.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of calling out every national two A group,
state coalitions, local advocates, whether it's gone through America, the Terrator,
the second Men, the foundation, make sure you get the
news out there, get the word out there that we
need to comment. And they do a pretty decent job,
but not enough. We're either not paying attention to it
or we didn't know what kind of impact that we
can potentially have.
Speaker 4: And the impact is huge. It's the difference between winning
and losing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've been very effective. I should tell people
that you're very involved. Legislative director lobbyist with the Buckeye
Fiarms Association the Ohio State Group, which is an incredibly
effective and smart group. But you know, state groups doesn't
have to be a national group. State groups can do
this to alert their folks to say, hey, there's something
going on here you need to get aware of and
jump on this.
Speaker 4: You know, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: Belong to the Butler County Rifle and Pistol Club and
every other week we have one hundred and ten people
at a meeting, So I always try to stand up
and let everybody know what's going on. So your local
gun range, your local gun shops, wherever you can spread
the word, do it because it only benefits us. And
as we've learned, it's a difference between pro gun legislation
passing or administration X passing or failing.
Speaker 3: It's kind of weird in a way, but to see
the evolution of Twitter to X. But I do believe
now that X has become a central clearing house of
information on two aid matters. If you get on there
and you want to follow SAF and Fire's POSSE Coalition
and Gun Owners of America and NRA, you will hear
about these things. And it's a real it's like a
dedicated news feed that you can just check every day
or two and find out what's going on.
Speaker 4: X is the leader.
Speaker 5: When Elon must took it over and opened up free speech,
that is the leader right now.
Speaker 4: And so that's a great place to do it. And
if you think about.
Speaker 5: It, the ATA came about in nineteen forty six, shortly
after World War Two. Everybody got back from the war,
and then he had a bunch of bureaucrats trying to
acting like kings and changing laws and writing administrative laws.
And Congress said, hey, you know what, we got to
do something about that. So they legally mandated that we
got to hear from the citizens and let them make
sure that they'll wear what's going on, and let's see
what they think.
Speaker 4: So it was a great tool that they gave us.
Speaker 5: Now, I doubt they ever imagined that act would be
out there, but certainly they set us up for it.
Speaker 3: We're talking with Sean Malone. He is a defense attorney.
Most of your work and your legal work and everything
is a self defense and firearms.
Speaker 4: That's correct.
Speaker 5: Probably for the last twenty twenty five years of my
legal career, I've done nothing but defend the good guy
and the good girl of a gun.
Speaker 3: We're in an interesting place where and you mentioned it earlier,
this complacency. We say, well, we got Trump and we're
winning and we're doing stuff, and there's a tendon see
to kind of relax. But what we really need to
do is just put the pedal to the medal and
accelerate and go full bore while we can.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely while we can, because we all know how
quickly things can change. All it takes is at one election,
and that's why elections matter so much. It mattered your
Supreme Court and matted to Cicada, who we have right
now leaving the ATF finally the way it needs to
be led. And so at this opportunity that we have
in front of us, we have to take every advantage.
We have to bury things so far and get things
so tightened up for pro gun in America.
Speaker 4: That it's almost impossible for them to make changes in
for our years.
Speaker 3: Bottom line on this is that the comment period for
ATF they have They just announced like thirty two rules
that they're going to change or undo or or unravel,
which is a very good thing, but they have to
have these comment periods on them. We need to get
involved to find out what's going on each one of us,
not just we hate the idea where they said, well,
you know, don't we have groups to do that. Don't
we have the n er right, don't we have stagram
moom Foundation. No, no, no, no, there's no them. There's
only us. There's only I and we and me and you,
And that's the only people that actually get anything done.
Speaker 4: And these organizations are built of who us. No, we
can't take.
Speaker 5: Let somebody else take the road for us. We have
to travel that road. And we have to do everything
we possibly can, every minute of the day to protect
our rights. You know, and I've said over and over
gun control isn't taking our guns. It's one more fee,
it's one more day, it's one more inconvenience. Like when
they defeated this last piece of legislation, it made it
more difficult, and that would approve that someone has a
bell a FFL if you want to do a transfer.
The easy check was so simple and so common sense.
But again they just made something a little bit more difficult,
and so that makes them happy.
Speaker 3: We sifinitely have to be motivated, each one of us
to do something every single day, say yeah, today I'm
going to spend ten minutes for the Second Amendment. Doesn't
mean posting stuff online. It's just doing something that actually
makes a difference and whatever that is. But this is
one thing you can do, Sean Maloney. I want to
thank you. I want to send people to your website,
Second call deefense dot org. You've got a ton of
information there on self defense training, but specifically a lot
of it's about what to do in the aftermath and
how to keep yourself out of trouble in that second
fight you're going to be in.
Speaker 5: That's exactly why I've spent a large part of my
life making sure that when US law abiding citizens are
forced to US leaper force and self defense, the fight
just begins. And I want to make sure that everybody's
there has the biggest guns on their side for this
fight that you're going to enter into.
Speaker 3: There is Second Call Defense dot org. Shamalonney, thank you
so much. I appreciate it. It's a great message.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Tom, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 10: Hell, yes, we're gonna take your AR fifteen, your AK
forty seven.
Speaker 3: Oh god, don't you love it? Beto Rourke tell us
he's going to take away our AK forty seven, our
AR fifty. No, the Supreme Court is going to rule
that that is unconstitutional. You can't do that in all
these states that I have bands on semi automatic rifles. Yeah, No,
that's going to go down. Is that's going to go down? Hey,
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Tom Talk Gun Anything on your mind, as long as
it's about guns, rifles, pistol, shotguns, self defense, hunting doesn't matter,
we'll talk about it. Give me a call. Mike did that.
He's on line one out of Winchester, Tennessee. Hey, Mike,
you're on gun Talk. What's up? Hey? Tom?
Speaker 6: How are you?
Speaker 4: I am?
Speaker 3: Great?
Speaker 6: Awesome? Hey, listen, you're talking about a couple of different things.
They are fifteen obviously, but you know quickly when you
talk about how you're getting ready for hunting season and all.
So we sued to go out and shoot with my dad,
and the first thing he'd do it missed the target
by like six inches, and I'd say you completely missed,
and he'd smile and he said, yeah, I got that
out of my system, now, didn't I.
Speaker 3: Huh, Well, okay, that's one way to go, I never
thought of that exactly.
Speaker 6: So anyway, hey, listen till when they are fifteen, because
you know, I've always heard people say that you don't
use an Air fifteen for self defense. I carried an
Air fifteen for twenty years in my patrol car. And
that was not only for my self defense, it was
for everyone self defense in the county I worked in.
And those they understand me, and they say all the time, well,
nobody shot an intruder with an AR fifteen, but how
many people have them just in case that happens.
Speaker 3: Well, and of course the flip side of that is, yes,
several people, a lot of people have actually shot intruders
with AR Fifteen's the fact that you don't know about
it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Speaker 6: It just means you don't know about it, exactly exactly correct.
And so I just they make these stupid arguments, and
you know, you just had a little clip on there
about Beto O'Rourke and that idiot. But they do want
to come and take our guns. When they say, oh,
this isn't about confiscation, it's the first step.
Speaker 3: Hey, let me ask you, Mike, you patrol all those
years and you obviously had your side, you had your pistol,
and I know you you're a good shot. So people
will say, well, if you got a pistol, why in
the world do you need in They are fifteen, So
what would you tell them?
Speaker 6: Well, for example, a lot of calls that I've been on,
you can't sit in a patrol car or be outside
of a pisole car. I'll give you an example. Somebody
who was up robing a gold mine, okay up in
northern California where I worked, and it's a hot call, right,
and you go up there and the first person unseen
says the person has firearms and they are in the
mine where the offices are, and the call was they're
going to be breaking in, and they have a rifle.
They have a thirty on six like a lot of
people that hunt, right, Sure, are you going to try
to engage somebody at one hundred yards with a forty
caliber clock?
Speaker 3: I'm not, no, no, no, And yet yeah, part of
it is they look a rifle always hits harder than
a handgun does. Hend guys are actually a lousy at
stopping people. And the only reason we carry him is
because they're easy to carry not because they're particularly effective, exactly.
Speaker 6: Exactly, and the whole well, the thing is people that
are uninformed about it, you know, like the politicians saying,
oh and ever fifteen shoots a thousand rounds a second.
It's all talk and it's alved, you know, just to
try to be I don't know, accentuate the you know,
the the uh, what's the term I'm looking forward to
me more.
Speaker 3: They want to want to scare people. They want scare
people with it. That's really what it is.
Speaker 6: And there's people that will go, oh, that's terrible. Nobody
needs those. Well, yes, that's not right. Some people do,
you know. And the largement were good.
Speaker 3: I thought it was gathering some recently who just said
something about a f fifteens that shoots sixty round As
a second, I'm going, what what you know what?
Speaker 6: You and I would both like to have one of
those that.
Speaker 3: Would be a mini gun. And I am all in
favor of us being able to own a mini gun.
I'm except for the feeding part. You know, then you
got to buy an off lot of AMMO. But boy,
it sure would be free.
Speaker 6: But you know what, you're right, the last person you
had on I didn't catch his name, but he was right.
The battle is not done. Even if the Sucreme Court
says you can't dan aar fifteen's, they're going to find
some other stuff because that idiot Tallerrico down in Texas said, well,
well regulated militia means we get to regulate it, and
that's not what the what the concept was. The concept
was a well organized militia.
Speaker 3: Yes, regulated at the time meant that they're in good
working order. It's really all I meant exactly.
Speaker 6: But they want to sit there though, twist words and
everything they can get to try to convince you know,
the fools that you know, we're trying to protect the
public by taking guns away from law binding citizens. Well
that's not going to work because at some point in
time it's going to come to a head where the
you know, the god fearing people and the good gun
gun ons are going to say, no, we're not taking
my gun.
Speaker 3: Well we're there, army. Look, we're going to win this
Supreme Court case. They've already said they're going to talk
the case, they're going to argue it in December. They're
going to get an opinion in June. So within the
next twelve months, we're going to get an opinion out
of the Supreme Court that tells all the other courts
that you cannot ban and all the other states you
cannot ban AR fifteen, you cannot ban semi automatic rifles.
All those state bans the California has, and New Jersey has,
and and all the other states that have them, they're
simply going to go away. So we're already at that point.
Now we've got to focus on the next issue. Hey, Mike,
I got a scoot. I appreciate your call, sir, and
I appreciate you listening. Hey, I number here is eight
sixty six Talk Gun. If you want to join me
that absolutely we can talk about politics, but we could
also talk about do you to kind of piggyback on
a MIC's call. Do you in fact on an AR
fifteen for self defense? If so, why, And let's go
a little bit further. Where do you keep it? Is
that your home defense gun? Do you keep it in
a vehicle? Ever? And how did you arrive at an
AR fifteen as your self defense firearm? Oh, and the
other part. And I'm really curious about this because I'm
this is evolving sighting systems. Iron sights, low power variable scopes,
red dot type optics. Which way did you go on yours?
I have become a real fan of red dots, And
at the same time, though, on my home defense firearm
a AR, I have a low power like a one
to six variable scope that has illuminated radical so on
one pour it works essentially like a red dot, but
that it does give me the option, and I know
it's probably a very low probability of leaving it the
option of increasing the magnification if I needed to make
a long shot. Do I need that right around my home?
Probably not? Do I need it where I live? Hey,
I live in the mountains of IDAHM. No telling what
you gotta run too or where it's gonna be. So,
like Mike says, you could be up against somebody with
a rifle, just thinking, do you have an AR fifteen,
What do you have it for? What do you use
it for? I'm not saying you need to have a
particular use for it. I'm just curious. Is it primarily
target shooting? Do you shoot competition with it? Do you
hunt with it? Do you just go to the ranging
plane can have fun with it? Do you have it
as a home defense gun. Do you have it as
a truck done? Just cidious. I got my first ars,
the first two I bought in nineteen ninety four when
the Bill Clinton administration passed the gun band, the Clinton
gun Band, also known as the Assault Weapon Band. And
when I saw that was going to pass, I said, okay,
I don't have an R. I don't know much about them.
Most people didn't at the time. And I said, but
you know, if they tell me I can't have, I'm
gonna go buy it. So it's interesting. I got a
Colt h bar and I got an Olympic Arms car,
a little short carbing version. Still have both of them
now that I think about it. I got a bunch
more since then, like a bunch, And yet I've never
been in love with the AR. I view the AR
platform as a very effective tool. It does a number
of things very well and obviously very versatile, and you
can customize it and swap parts out, upperst lowers, you barrels,
all sorts of furniture, on and on and on. You
just do whatever you want to do with and will.
You can use it for hunting, you can use it
for personal protection, for plinking, for competition, for the national matches,
and I just can't develop a warm feeling about the
AR Now. Look, I got a dozen of them, so
don't get me wrong here. I mean, I really do,
and I use it for a lot of different things,
but to me, it is a tool. It's very utilitarian.
There are other guns I have that I like them
because I like the looks of them, and it's a
lot of it's about looks. And I realized that a
lot of people say, I don't care what it looks like.
I just want to work cool. And that's why there
are so many plastic pistols out there that people really like,
because they are really good tools. And it's probably why
so few people are at least a lot fewer people
are really into nice looking guns bolt ax and rifles
with woodstocks, nice over and unders, nineteen eleven's of all sorts.
It's aesthetics, and there's no accounting for aesthetics. I mean,
it's personal preference. It's what do you like, what do
you not like? Sometimes I think, however, it may be
what you've been exposed to or not. If you've never
shot a really nice rifle, pistol, shot gun, whatever, never
been exposed to the really pretty wins. Maybe you don't know,
don't care, or maybe you just say, hey, you know,
I can't afford them and I don't want them. Okay, cool,
But you know you don't have to pay a lot
to get a good looking gun. There are some lessers
events of nineteen eleven, so that probably don't cost much more,
if any of them more than a good Palmer stycerfighted pistol.
I guess the question is what do you have your
AR four? I know a lot of you own them.
Why'd you buy it in the first place? And how
much do you shoot it now? Or does it mostly
just live in the safe? Our number is eight sixty
six Talk Gun. Maurice called in out of Lake Charles, Louisiana.
Hey Maurice, you're on gun Talk. What's on your mind today?
Speaker 11: Well, first off, for I get well, we want to
talk about the only pistol made in nineteen eleven, so
we can just stop the conversation right there. Okay, all right, yeah,
we did no argument there. I tried all the other
ones about my nineteen eleventh So that's my baby, and
I tell you the truth is in self defense situations,
I'll pick it up over anything, but what I wanted
to talk about. I used to hunt with a four
p forty four Marland and let a friend talk me
out of it that Marlon quldn't make it, and where
I hunt, I don't. I don't need a three hundred
yard gun. So I've been wanting to go back to
a big boar. And I know Rossi has started advertising
that they're making it at a four forty four lever,
but everything I'm looking at and big board levers primarily
are forty five seventies, right and that, And I know
that old mortar round with a black powder round, And
I'm just wondering with the new guns, are they designed
to shoot the old ammunition or are they designed to
shoot this new hot stuff that everybody keeps touting. Uh?
And how do you know the difference, because they really
don't say too much about it, except except sometimes they'll
say it in the older guns don't shoot this, you know,
don't don't shoot modern ammunition. But so what do you tell.
Speaker 3: Anything is being made now you can shoot modern ammo
in it. I mean, the new Marlins are fabulous, love
those guns, and you know all of that. But let
me let me go back to the four Marlin is
in longer range, more powerful cartridge than the forty five seventy.
Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, absolutely, just the forty five Magnum magnum, I
mean forty four Mague magnum. You know, I don't understand
why they're not making not making that anymore because at
forty five seventy is not a superior round. It's just
a mortar.
Speaker 3: But you can get really good AMMO for forty five seventy.
Now you get the Hornity Lever Revolution pwinty bullets, and
so you're gonna, you know, increase your range a bit
with those. And the other part of it is e race.
You understand this. People just like it because it's cool.
I mean, it's what you know, General Custer used and
his man and it's it's been the official US Army cartridge.
Were you back?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well I had when I had my four forty four,
I dropped deer straight on at two hundred and twenty
yards twice, and I loaded bone rounds. I didn't use
that two hundred and sixty green bullet. They used the
two forty and loaded them. Man, I shall two inches
high of one hundred, and that gave me a good
two hundred yard shot, and that was that was in
a clearing lane in the woods, which would rarely get
me a two hundred yard shot otherwise. So you know,
as far as you know, do you know anybody else
is making a four forty four other than Rassy?
Speaker 3: I do not, and ROSSI is probably pretty good. I
will tell you that when I went to a media
event when Quarty brought out the Level Revolution AMMO, we
had a four forty four at the range and we
put milk jugs out and with that Ammo with four
forty four, we were hitting milk jugs at three hundred
yards without any problem at all. So that's that tells
you what that thing will do.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I just don't understand. I guess like you said,
the reader has been in public, has been fed for
forty five seventy for so long that they take that
feeling thing out there. But you know, I keep reading
the good magazine of for then I want good Lord,
you know, I don't know mortar tackets that Well.
Speaker 3: It's clear to me you want that, ROSSI. I think
you ought to buy it so you can shoot it
and then call us back and tell us all about it.
Speaker 11: Okay, Well, I think that's what I might do.
Speaker 3: Good. My work here is done. Thank you for the call.
I appreciate that. Yeah, the forty five seventy is are
great cartridge. I do like it. And it's it's an
honest to underdyard cartridge. Maybe a little further and yes,
we have some better AMMO now than we used to have.
If you're shooting it in a tubular magazine, you can't
use pointy bullets except the hornity lever Revolution AMMO you
can because it's a softer polymer tip, and when you
stack cartridge one on top of the other, that soft
point pushes into the primer of the cartries in front
of it. It's not going to set it off. That's
why we don't use pointy bullets in tubular magazines, because
a pointed bullet could conceivably hit the primer of the
cartoones on top of it, probably during recoil, when those
cartoons are bouncing back and forth and there's a spring
in there and it's pushed them they're smacking each other,
you could get one to go off. So that's why
we use flat nose or around nose bullets in tubular magazine.
Lever actions but there's some really good forty five seventy
AMMO out there. Some of it is loaded hot, I
mean like really hot and not unsafe, but pretty far
up there on the pressure levels, because the a lot
of forty five to seven AMO you find is loaded
to low pressure. Because you can shoot them in really
really really old guns like trapdoor springfields. You can't. You
don't want to shoot that modern ammo and that stuff.
I will tell you this from experience, A full house
heavy load forty five to seventy and a fair early
lightweight gun, whether it's Marlin or even lighter. These little
single shots that they're making. These are four and a
half five pound rifles. It will you'll see stars when
you touch it off. The recoil is seriously impressive. And
I do like my Marlins. I have, I guess three
of them now. One I've had a long time, way back,
way way way back, probably close to fifty years now.
Took that thing, put a weaver peep site on it,
unscrewed the little aperture out of the peep site and
threw it away. Come. I guess the early form of
a ghost ring site still guts you three inches to
one hundred yards with it with that big old hole
in the back, but it made it a lot faster
and just fun gun to carry around. Well, you know,
all lover actions are fun to carry around. I don't
care what it is. You know what I don't half
and lever action. It's one of those. I keep thinking
I need one of those, but I've never broken down
and gotten one. Is the lever action in three fifty
seven magnum, because if you have that, you can see
thirty eight special in them, and thirty eight special is
a lot less recoil. And think about this. If it's
a threaded barrel, you put a can on there and
thirty eight specialist subsonic. Now you have a really really
quiet setup. Got fun. And I've scrabbed mic online one
out of Saint Croix Falls, Wisconsin.
Speaker 12: Hey Mike, Hey Tom, I was just calling to I
had an idea related to the everybody providing feedback or
the sert providing feedback during the roulemaking public comment periods,
and sure the need to have them be individualized so
that they don't get grouped into copy paste and be
considered one response. Okay, and that's I was using been
using AI and stuff for a lot of things recently,
and it kind of learns how you talk and how
you speak, and so you could input that information in
there and then have it provide you a response and
it might save you some time of trying to think
of your own response.
Speaker 3: Interesting idea. I've not used AI a lot, used some
I know a lot of people use it daily and
get really good at it. There's a skill that you
kind of develop in learning how to use AI, well,
isn't it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely kind of got a kind of the crap
in crap out thing, so you do got to give
it the right information.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, And also you could find you and
you say, okay, now that's good, but now give it
to me this way, or give it to me that way,
or add in this stuff, and it keeps rewriting it
for you. But not a bad idea. My concern I'm
just throwing this out here is I don't know about
the aimodels if they would end up, If like a
hundred of us ask for that, would we all get
something pretty similar out of the AI model.
Speaker 12: And that could be a possibility, But I don't know,
as long as it wasn't like exactly the same. I
guess I don't know how close right to consider it the.
Speaker 3: Same correct, I don't know either. The other part of
it is it doesn't have to be polished. You can
just say, hey, this is who I am, where I am, Uh,
this is what I do. I own guns and I
shoot guns. I have them for self defense, and this
is how this proposal would affect me. Probably no more
than fifty words. And you're there, and you're in and
you're out.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's true. To just get it on there
and get it done then move on.
Speaker 3: You know what. It's not important that it's perfect, it's
just important that it gets done.
Speaker 7: Sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well here's what why Because each of our responses
on these you know, proposals they put out when they've
got a comment period, they're not actually reading them. I
mean they read them to see what we're saying. But
actually what they do is they read them and go, Okay,
that's a vote this way, or that's a vote that way.
It's basically your casting a vote, and so whether it's
perfect or not really as immaterial. It's just the main
thing is that that you cast the vote. And then
they're going to add those up and say, oh, look,
the gun people outweigh the anti gun people by four
to one, So we're okay on that, and that's how
it's going to work.
Speaker 12: Sure, yeah, I number thought of it from that perspective,
but that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: There you go, my good thoughts. I appreciate that AI.
I'm starting to learn about it, and do appreciate the call.
I hate it and I like it at the same time.
I understand what it can do, but I also understand
how it can screw things up. As a writer, I
am blown away at how good AI can be at
crafting stories or articles. Honestly, I think it probably somewhere
in the neighborhood of ninety percent of what you're reading
online in the way of articles is written by AI,
some report with air quotes around it, or writer. And
this is true on the gun side as well. They
take AI, they say, write me a twelve hundred word
article about the forty five to seventy and include these
parts of it, and look on the internet and see
what others have said, and incorporate some of the key
parts of other articles. And in twenty seconds the article
is written and they push the published button and it
has appeared. On your feed in some kind of a
gun issue or gun writes issue, or if it's a
Second Amendment thing. Sometimes it's accurate too, not always. I've
used it for a few things, but I'm really careful
to go back and read it and say, okay, is
this true? It said this thing? Can I do in
a web search and verify that's true? AI makes up stuff,
I mean really does. It just makes up things that
are completely untrue. A bunch of lawyers now have gotten
into trouble with judges because are using AI to write
their legal briefs, and we're finding out that AI makes
up references. It makes up sort of sites, citations to
cases that never have been, makes up cases out of
thin air, and puts it into this lawyer's brief. Then
it goes before the judge, and judge looks at it
and goes, there is no such case like that. Your
reference to a case that does not exist. What are
you doing? And so some of these lawyers have been
sanctioned by the courts for using AI. I only mentioned
that to say, if you're going to use it, go
back and verify it. You know what, trust to verify
and make sure that what it's saying is accurate. It
can get you in trouble, but it could also just
make you look foolish when you're putting stuff out there.
It's not true. Having said all that, it's an amazing tool,
and we're not going to get away from it. We
are in fact going to be using AI, but not here.
Give me a call. Eight sixty six talk gun, All right,
let's do this. Let's rab can. It just popped up
and we got time to get him in here online
one out of boys. Hey Ken, you're on Bye Tom.
Speaker 7: You talk about getting ready for honey and season. I
lived in Alaska for seventeen years, did a lot of
big game. I mean, then always fly in, so you
have to have your gear back together because there was
no no redo.
Speaker 3: And I approached it.
Speaker 7: The same way I approached aviation. I have an aviation background,
so I then I pre flighted all my gear. You know,
do the stove work, does the lantern work? Do I
have all the parts to the tent? And then I
had checklists to make I make sure I packed everything
that needed to go with me.
Speaker 3: Well, I love that, and of course, I mean that's
all critical, particularly when you're flying in there's no like
running over the store and pick it up a box
ama that you didn't bring with you. But I was
actually thinking more in terms of getting yourself ready for
shooting and being able to and you know, you've been
out there and if you understand what I'm talking about,
there are people who when they see the deer or
the elk or the moose, it literally takes them thirty
seconds or more to get the gun off their shoulder,
to get around in the chamber, to find the animal
and the scope and try to find a steady rest.
And just like you're thinking, really, this animal is going
to leave, you understand that you've got to be able
to make it happen faster than that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, well I'm part of that, you know, getting physically
in shape and doing little things like you know, if
you've got a variable scope, you set it out of
the lowest power and leave it there until you know
you need to crank it up.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll always have it on the lowest power. And
you know, and you can practice a lot of the
stuff in your house. Take your rifle and just practice
getting it off your shoulder and then aiming at a
safe target with a not loaded gun and getting on
target and pressing the trigger. Dry firing with your hunting
rifle is really good practice.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, there you go.
Speaker 3: Thank You can't appreciate that, and I appreciate the reference
to the aviation yuck. It's a pre flight all the time.
I I was telling somebody about the safety things we do.
I said, look, when I walk around my plane and
I preflight it, I will say out loud, all right
you soob I know you're going to try to kill
me today. I just don't know how. So I'm going
to check you very carefully every single time, no matter what.
It's part of that process. It's like when I put
the gun on. Okay, today is the day I'm going
to need this. Not might you know might happen today.
It is going to happen today. Now I've already prepped
to my mind, I'm ready for whatever happens. If it
pops up, I'm just going to go ahead and react
to it because I knew it was coming anyway, I'm
already ready for it. That's part of the training thing.
And we talk about this a lot, is you've got
to go get training. Seriously. I can't imagine why you
wouldn't do this. Yeah, it takes time. Okay, Yeah, I
got it. It takes money, Yeah, I got it. You
have the time and you have the money. It's all
a matter of priorities because you're spending money on stuff
that you don't even remember you bought. You're spending money
on stuff that you don't it's stuck back in a
drawer somewhere. You're spending money and time. We are known
by what we spend our time and our money on,
not by what we say. I mean, who you are
and what you value. You exhibit that to people and
where you put your time and your money. And if
you say, yeah, I carry a gun and I'm gonna
protect people, I'm gonna protect my family, great, you're cool.
But the gun doesn't do that by itself. It's up
to you. And honestly, you don't know if you're any
good at this. If you haven't taken real training, well,
I go to the rains all the time. Great, that
doesn't mean anything. If you're not putting yourself up against
maybe competition, you can learn some things, but also just
getting training. That's my takeaway for you for this week.
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Oh yeah, and while you're at it, must will buy
a new gun. Always a good week when you do that.
Take care,