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<v Speaker 1>Partner with Dawa liars, who, by the way, have docs.

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<v Speaker 1>David Wood's family.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody partnered with Dawa. You see this lie. The question

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<v Speaker 2>was can I agree to a person's proposition? And this

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<v Speaker 2>liar just reframed it as partnering with Dawa. So I

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<v Speaker 2>hope he pays attention to all the bullshit that he says,

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<v Speaker 2>because if this ever blows up like those are like

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<v Speaker 2>serious characterizations, partnering with Dawa, partnering agreeing with the proposition

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<v Speaker 2>is not partnering. And Rouselan, if you think that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to hold up in court, you got another thing coming tog.

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<v Speaker 1>So that what came out is if you are not

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<v Speaker 1>willing to have an opinion on every single theological issue,

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<v Speaker 1>to DISCLOSEU your denomination.

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<v Speaker 2>No, if it's You're not able to have a basic

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<v Speaker 2>statement of what I'm supposed to go to as a Christian.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, this dude is such a liar.

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<v Speaker 2>He reframes and recharacterizes everything in the exact opposite of

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<v Speaker 2>what actually happened. The question was you can't tell me

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<v Speaker 2>a basic Christian position on so teiology as a Protestant

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<v Speaker 2>after twenty years of apologetics, it wasn't can you have

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<v Speaker 2>a definite opinion on every thing. So again he's lying

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<v Speaker 2>in this character. The Ortho Bros have the worst week?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you sure about that? Did you mean to say?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna assume that you misspoke.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ortho Bros had the worst week ever actually coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Entire So this dude's strategy is to just triple down

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<v Speaker 2>on everything being bad for him, losing everything, losing every battle.

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<v Speaker 3>He can't even win a rap battle. I was supposed

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<v Speaker 3>a rapper and.

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<v Speaker 2>He's his strategy is to quadruple down that the Ortho

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<v Speaker 2>bros Are losing. When Ruslan is over here at synagogues

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<v Speaker 2>that actually circumcised Young down right turned him into No Dong.

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<v Speaker 3>Young Dong got circumcised to this dumbass scam synagogue.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Ru's run and God Logic sent him there and

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<v Speaker 2>then became an atheist out of all this, And here's

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<v Speaker 2>Ru's run. This is we had the worst week ever

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<v Speaker 2>because Ru's run. I figured out that rus Everything Rouselan

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<v Speaker 2>is saying is the problems that he's going through, right.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Ortho Bros are doing X y z's what

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<v Speaker 2>Rouslan is doing. Right. So Rouselan had the worst week

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<v Speaker 2>is how to translate that, because remember he was just

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<v Speaker 2>that the synagogue, preaching on the coke Pepsi schism from

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<v Speaker 2>a laptop in a gym.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you guys imagine how that worked out? Didn't wor

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<v Speaker 1>out very well, So launching new Coke and Nextidy five,

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<v Speaker 1>something sweeter recipe that was more similar to pepsi. However,

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<v Speaker 1>New Coke was such a disaster it almost cost Co

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<v Speaker 1>Cola the Soda Wars. And this is why it is

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<v Speaker 1>because there was three categories of people that these folks

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<v Speaker 1>were looking at. They had the advocate Coca Cola drinkers,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they had the neutrals, and then they had

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<v Speaker 1>the people that were completely a posta.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go, it's over for the Ortho Bros.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got shut down by Rap Church. We saw

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<v Speaker 2>that Ruse runs Rap Church charges two thousand dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>counseling on how to church plant, two thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to his grift pastor at Rap Church on how

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<v Speaker 2>to plant a church. We saw that this week at

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<v Speaker 2>every angle, at every turn, these people are making absolute

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<v Speaker 2>fools of themselves. But it's the worst week the Ortho

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<v Speaker 2>bros Have ever had, even though we just showed. Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>just showed that David Wood can't even say what the

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<v Speaker 2>solos are and if he believes the five solas twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years of apologetics, and he can't say basic Protestant theology

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<v Speaker 2>positions and if he holds to them as a Protestant

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<v Speaker 2>evangelical apologist.

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<v Speaker 1>God logic Muhammadi job situation. Let me give you guys

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of the backstory, how I'm loosely involved in

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<v Speaker 1>some of this, how they're attempting to put out fires

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<v Speaker 1>by going on every single By the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, this dummy is the cause of all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's leaving out the fact that he admitted in

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<v Speaker 2>his other video that he was wrong to pit two

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<v Speaker 2>apologists against a catechumen. So he admitted the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>that everything started from that it was all his fault platform.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, in the last week, there's been all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>been fighting between orthobro apologists. You guys don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>or borrows are there kind of distinct.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been no infighting with ortho bro apologists. Every ortho

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<v Speaker 2>bro and orthoboro apologist is on the same page here,

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess he just misspoke there.

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<v Speaker 1>From Eastern Orthodox folks who are generally very pleasant and

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<v Speaker 1>very chill. They are way more rigid than your thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and like think of like the Westborough Baptists, but with

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<v Speaker 1>like Eastern bells and swells.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so literally Ortho Bros Are equivalent to Fed Phelps

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<v Speaker 2>and the insane cult of the Baptist He knows that's

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<v Speaker 2>not true, which is it's not even even remotely close analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, because we have the same theology as the

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<v Speaker 2>first thousand years of the church, Ruzelana is saying that

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<v Speaker 2>the Westboro Baptist Church is what the first thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>of Christianity was. Like, That's how dumb this idiot is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's essentially what he's saying because he thinks that Ortho Bros,

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<v Speaker 2>who are really just normal Orthodox people stating normal Orthodox theology,

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<v Speaker 2>which anybody can go look to see if it is

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<v Speaker 2>the case, we're equivalent to Fed Phelps and the Westboro

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<v Speaker 2>Baptist Church. Ironically, it's these people who send people to

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<v Speaker 2>weirdo synagogues like this that tell people to get circumcised

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<v Speaker 2>and not eat pork today. So in his mind, to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a judaizing sect where he preaches, that's normal Ruslanianity.

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<v Speaker 2>But Orthodox Christianity is like Westborough Baptist Church to this idiot,

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<v Speaker 2>and this dude is making himself into the biggest clown

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet. Dude easily making himself into it. The

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<v Speaker 2>same guy whose whole open admitted approach is a marketing scheme.

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<v Speaker 4>Fit up and more people.

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<v Speaker 1>When you drop something that's scarce, you're leaning on scarcity,

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<v Speaker 1>limited edition. There's only a few of it. It drives

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<v Speaker 1>the value and the hype of it up and more

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<v Speaker 1>people engage. Okay, so that is.

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<v Speaker 4>Something else in.

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<v Speaker 1>Strategic collaboration you can use scarcity to drive the perceived value.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Also, remind you, guys that according to this idiot

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<v Speaker 2>who sends people to this synagogue where he's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>get circumcised, and they circumcised young Down, made him young Dong,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he became an atheist, that's normal Christianity. A

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<v Speaker 2>Ruse run Why because they don't teach exclusivism. But guess what,

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<v Speaker 2>what have we seen all week long? Turns out inspiring philosophy,

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<v Speaker 2>god logic. Ruse Run Gavin Ortland, Wes Huff they are exclusivists.

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<v Speaker 2>What yes, turns out they are exclusively dogmatic that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't be exclusivists. So that's a version of exclusivism, dummies.

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<v Speaker 2>You all say that you can't go to a church

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<v Speaker 2>that teaches that it's the true church, so you have

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<v Speaker 2>to teach that all the churches are the true church,

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<v Speaker 2>you idiots. That's another version of you're the true church.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just an ecumenist version of it, dummies. This is

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<v Speaker 2>how stupid these people are. Let me remind you, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the person that's telling you about the true church,

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<v Speaker 2>this idiot.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten thousand on TikTok hundred thousand. How do I monetize

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<v Speaker 5>these people?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? How do I monetize these people?

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<v Speaker 3>That's who you're going to for true Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, this idiot, this is his pastor, his passage is

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<v Speaker 2>the entire sermons on how to be a good tither.

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<v Speaker 2>And they can spot right away if you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a good tither, right there.

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<v Speaker 6>Some people in here that are like, well, I try

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<v Speaker 6>to tithe, and uh, I couldn't afford a tithe, or

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<v Speaker 6>I did the tithe and I still like I still

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<v Speaker 6>was broke, And I'd say.

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<v Speaker 2>A bad budgeter will be a broke tither. So these

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<v Speaker 2>this rap church has already got it all mapped out

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<v Speaker 2>as to whether or not they're interested in having you

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of whether you're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>tithe or not. That's what that that's the decoding that

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<v Speaker 2>marketing speaker right there, right. Okay, so you're not able

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<v Speaker 2>to do the ten percent tithe, which according to average

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<v Speaker 2>income of San Diego is ten thousand dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you need to go over there to the Tolo church. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking for we're looking for uh Tithers that can

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<v Speaker 2>actually make bang bro. Now it's a bad week for

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<v Speaker 2>the orthro Bros. But David would can't even say if

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<v Speaker 2>he knows Christian theology right enough to say or well

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<v Speaker 2>enough to say what his positions are. Well, guess what, David,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you how do you know that your anti

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<v Speaker 2>Islamic reasoning was good enough by that same standard?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, leading up to me becoming a Christian, everything just

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<v Speaker 7>it broke down.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like I was completely convinced of all these things

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<v Speaker 7>and I was completely totally wrong. I concluded that basically,

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<v Speaker 7>don't I can't trust myself that much. I can't trust

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<v Speaker 7>my reasoning. I feel I feel like a constant moron.

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<v Speaker 7>Now when I'm around really stupid people, I'll start feeling

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<v Speaker 7>like a genius. But I'm always I'm always in the

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<v Speaker 7>I'm always in the thought mode that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 7>if this is every thing that, if this, like if

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<v Speaker 7>there's a circle with like everything that can be known,

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<v Speaker 7>I know like that what I actually know is like

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<v Speaker 7>one tiny insignificant dot of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So if David Wood can't rest on his own reasoning

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to do you believe that the basics

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<v Speaker 2>of Evangelical Protestant theology twenty years into this he doesn't know?

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<v Speaker 2>His answer is I can't trust my own reasoning, which

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<v Speaker 2>is all false humility, because David Wood is an admitted

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<v Speaker 2>narcissistic psychopath admittedly, so he's saying that to play to

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<v Speaker 2>the audience, who he thinks are a bunch of radiots that, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just humility, which is why he can't say if

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<v Speaker 2>he believes the Reformation distinctives. However, how do you trust

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<v Speaker 2>your reasoning about anti Islamic apologetics for twenty years? So

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<v Speaker 2>this is all such a bunch of nonsense, Like these

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<v Speaker 2>people have all been exposed as don't no actual concern

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<v Speaker 2>for Christian theology, church history, any of that. It's literally

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<v Speaker 2>just the anti Islamianity grift. Go to whatever church you want,

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<v Speaker 2>but just don't say there's an exclusive is And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, we're exclusivist about that.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up, Jim Bob yo, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome bro?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>I just wanted to add in there that, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>if he felt like he couldn't really lean into his

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<v Speaker 8>own reasoning and he feels stupid most of the time,

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<v Speaker 8>it would make sense to be around Muslims to make

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<v Speaker 8>yourself feel a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 4>But we're starting to understand.

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<v Speaker 8>That, like, well, dude, you can get you could be

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<v Speaker 8>given a script and refute Islam.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem that you've.

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<v Speaker 8>Been pointing out and I'm trying to echo it here

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<v Speaker 8>is once you get a Muslim person thinking about leaving Islam,

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<v Speaker 8>the last thing you want to do is just give

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<v Speaker 8>them a Bible and say good luck, dude, good luck

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<v Speaker 8>reading the Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, especially a Muslim.

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<v Speaker 8>Like I don't understand how he can't see that as

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<v Speaker 8>a as a fair contention.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows that, but like he's doing whatever he can

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<v Speaker 2>to save face, and that's why he's literally just now

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly learning what the distinctions between Protestants, Catholics, Evangelicals. How

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know those basics. But jimbob Any comments, yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, something that's just kind of funny is that

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<v Speaker 8>to include Orthodoxy first of all. Second of all, they

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<v Speaker 4>I keep seeing this over and over again.

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<v Speaker 8>About Orthodoxy and then they're like, yeah, but then the orthobros,

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm like, dude, you guys have to deal with

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<v Speaker 8>And if so, you got to deal with what what's

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<v Speaker 4>And if you say.

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<v Speaker 8>Everything is, then you shouldn't have a problem with orthrobros

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, you shouldn't even have a problem with them. There's

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<v Speaker 4>just another church, right, just another sub sect of a church. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>that's it. We should be included, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But that's the point is that you the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing that excludes you is Orthodox exclusivity. Because their version

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<v Speaker 2>of that. Here's God logic again. He's got the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to share uh, real stuff with whoever this black dude

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<v Speaker 9>Let's see Jesuit Catholic or Roman Catholic, whatever, just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right? Is that a note for you?

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<v Speaker 9>It would it would depend on the extremism, Like if

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<v Speaker 9>the if you're if you run into like this is

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<v Speaker 9>what any denomination, if you're running into one, that's saying that,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, if you're not part of this church or

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<v Speaker 9>this denomination, you are hell bent. Okay, the red flags.

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<v Speaker 2>But they are. They are extremists. They are extreme acumenists

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<v Speaker 2>who say that if you aren't an acumenist about the

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<v Speaker 2>You're a cult. So they're just doing the same standard

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<v Speaker 2>with their ecumenism. They don't see this, of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no Churchill's apologetic. As we've been saying and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over, these guys, when they're on

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<v Speaker 2>the same repeat with Young Don.

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<v Speaker 3>They all told Young Don, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>You would really want to serve Jesus, come out of

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<v Speaker 2>where we're going to circumcise you. That's what these readers

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<v Speaker 2>are pushing. How do you not see this? And all

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<v Speaker 2>they want to do is say, Minorthobros, on what basis

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<v Speaker 2>does it mean to tell people that there is one

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<v Speaker 2>true church and that it's not the Messianic synagogue with

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican rabbi rappers. All right, let's play some Maru's line

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<v Speaker 1>So they were initially upset at god Logic, okay, follow

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<v Speaker 1>off for a second. They were upset of god Logic

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<v Speaker 1>because God Logic did a livestream that then redirected to

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<v Speaker 1>which then redirected to JP's live stream where at some

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<v Speaker 1>point the night, JP was speaking to an inquirer of

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Orthodoxy and then they were talking him out of

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<v Speaker 2>And the God Logic dude was in the chat cheering

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<v Speaker 2>on the gas lighting of the Inquirer.

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<v Speaker 1>If he started doing all of this probably about a

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<v Speaker 1>month ago. JP Mohler aut in a bunch of differ

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<v Speaker 1>channels because all this vitrial was hurled up me when

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<v Speaker 1>I'd said, hey, I'm not going to debate Jay Yer,

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<v Speaker 2>No, the vitriol was at you because you admittedly made

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake. You said I should not have had the

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<v Speaker 2>Inquirer on the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why it was after you.

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<v Speaker 2>So again he reframes and leaves out the actual reason

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<v Speaker 2>as to why everybody got mad at him. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>if you admitted that you were wrong, why didn't you

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<v Speaker 2>bring that back up right? And by the way, the

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<v Speaker 2>vitriol against you, in terms of the other stuff had

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<v Speaker 2>to do with your stupid ass attitude of flexing your

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<v Speaker 2>channel on everybody's face. And also assuming that the other

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<v Speaker 2>thing was that you said four times you would debate

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<v Speaker 2>and then you backtracked on it, that's another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened was because this entire thing happened, Jay

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<v Speaker 1>Dyer then agreed with a dollar dude, a Muslim Tawa dude,

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<v Speaker 1>who said that God logic is a grifter. Okay. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is accusation often hurdled by the East Orthodox. Now

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is a grifter. Okay, so God logic is a grifter.

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<v Speaker 2>No, your grifter is because you run money church where

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<v Speaker 2>you ask for ten thousand dollars from your congregants and

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand dollars to talk to your fake rap pastor

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<v Speaker 2>for one hour on how to church plant. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>bob anything?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>I think they just have to understand what we're what

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<v Speaker 8>we're saying when you say a grifter, like, we're pointing

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<v Speaker 8>to specific things, and most importantly, you're saying people who say, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a Christian, I'm pointing you to Christianity. But wouldn't

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<v Speaker 8>we ask what is it? They don't have an answer.

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<v Speaker 8>They're basically selling something they don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>They're using the Peter Drucker model of no dogmas and inclusivity.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the Peter Drucker church plant church selling model.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's another one of these goobers with God used

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<v Speaker 10>People in the Greek Orthodox Church. But I think the

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<v Speaker 10>next question you got to ask is does Jesus say

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<v Speaker 10>people in the Greek Orthodox Church or should you adopt

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<v Speaker 10>solar scriptora, sola fide, solo gratia, solis christis soli de gloria,

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<v Speaker 10>we should move on.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's saying that the Greek Orthodox Church doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the solos, so it's not a true church. So they

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<v Speaker 2>This guy says, I think the next you're not a

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<v Speaker 2>true church because you don't have the solos. That's exclusivist doctrines, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>So and God logics just sitting there and let him

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<v Speaker 2>say that. He didn't even say anything, but God logic

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<v Speaker 2>tells the other people if you teach an exclusivist doctrine,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the problem. Well, your co host is teaching it

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<v Speaker 2>right there, dude, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, And what we what we're trying to get them

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<v Speaker 8>to do is we want them to be more clear

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<v Speaker 8>on exclusivity. That's what we're challenging.

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<v Speaker 4>What you've been challenging, David would on if you say

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<v Speaker 4>you're Christian, what we're saying is that's an exclusive claim

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<v Speaker 4>to be Christian? What does it mean?

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<v Speaker 8>Can you can you put your positive position up up

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<v Speaker 8>against our positive position.

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<v Speaker 4>David Wood seems to think that means.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, I know I have to attack now, I have

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<v Speaker 8>to attack Eastern Orthodo and figure out the arguments against it.

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<v Speaker 8>That's actually not even what we're asking. We're asking you

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<v Speaker 8>to just tell us what you believe. You couldn't even

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<v Speaker 8>do it when Andrew is on, So I don't know

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<v Speaker 8>what they're thinking. This avenue is. We just want them

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<v Speaker 8>to make their positive case. But like you said, their

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<v Speaker 8>positive case is like a pluralism humanism.

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<v Speaker 2>Rouselan says, now everyone is a grifter. No, specifically you

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<v Speaker 2>and David would are grifters now.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why when you drop something that's scarce,

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<v Speaker 1>you're leaning on scarcity, limited edition, there's only a few

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<v Speaker 1>of it. It drives the value and the hype of

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<v Speaker 1>it up and more people engage. Okay, so that is

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<v Speaker 1>something else initiati to collaboration. You can use scarcity to

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<v Speaker 2>You're Rouselan charges five hundred to one thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him in person, and he's saying, no, I'm serious. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's a grip. No, you dude, you dummy.

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<v Speaker 1>Then las Andrew Wilson, who had a five hour livestream

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<v Speaker 1>with David Wood, which is utterly insufferable playing games and

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<v Speaker 2>No, uh, David would was the one playing games because

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<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't commit to a position after twenty years of apologetics.

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<v Speaker 2>So you and your stupid ass broccoli head retelling of

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<v Speaker 2>the story, we all knows bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>They want school presuppositions when you should or shouldn't partner

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<v Speaker 1>with Dawa. Liars, who, by the way, have docs David

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<v Speaker 1>Wood's family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nobody partnered with Dawa. You see this lie. The

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<v Speaker 2>question was can I agree to a person's proposition? And

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<v Speaker 2>this liar just reframed it as partnering with Dawa. So

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he pays attention to all the bullshit that

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<v Speaker 2>he says, because if this ever blows up, if this

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<v Speaker 2>ever becomes something like those are like serious characterizations partnering

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<v Speaker 2>with Dawa partnering, Yeah, agreeing with the proposition is not partnering.

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<v Speaker 2>And Rouselan. If you think that's going to hold up

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<v Speaker 2>in court, you got another thing coming to dog god logic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think his wife just that's like really bad fake

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<v Speaker 1>actors from this whole thing, Okay, And so that what

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<v Speaker 1>came out is if you are not willing to have

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<v Speaker 1>an opinion on every single theological issue to disclose your denomination.

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<v Speaker 2>No, if it's you're not able to have a base

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<v Speaker 2>statement of what I'm supposed to go to as a Christian. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this dude is such a liar. He reframes and recharacterizes

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<v Speaker 2>everything in the exact opposite of what actually happened. The

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<v Speaker 2>question was you can't tell me a basic Christian position

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<v Speaker 2>on so teiology as a Protestant after twenty years of apologetics,

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't can you have a definite opinion on everything?

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<v Speaker 2>So again he's lying and mischaracterizing.

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<v Speaker 1>It to debate them upon their prompting debate me or

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<v Speaker 1>your gay de paate me or your gay debate me,

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<v Speaker 1>your game. You shouldn't even be doing apologetical dude.

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<v Speaker 2>You agreed to the debate, dummy. You're the one that

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<v Speaker 2>said four times you would debate and then said no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna do.

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<v Speaker 4>He says it in this video to Jay it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, well, I'm thinking of.

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<v Speaker 2>Debating you already said I have to publicly repent to you,

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<v Speaker 2>you gay dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is what they're now saying. And in all

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<v Speaker 1>of this it's a woken the entire community of people

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<v Speaker 1>to combat their issues.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, it's only awoken a bunch of independent Baptists

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<v Speaker 2>to try to find pearl clutching examples of two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for a baptismal celebration renting the fellowship, Paul, that's

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<v Speaker 2>all it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>And from calling god Logic a grifter to getting behind

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<v Speaker 1>the GoFundMe of God Logic, which is peak irony in all.

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<v Speaker 2>This, No, it's not. It makes perfect sense if you

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<v Speaker 2>aren't a ad iq. I support God Logic against being

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<v Speaker 2>irrationally sued by you know, he doesn't understand a person

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<v Speaker 2>can have nuance in this. I don't want a live

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<v Speaker 2>agreed that they could they could restream the broadcast because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a live streamer, Dummy. It affects anyone in the

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<v Speaker 2>live streaming community. Because if Mohammed had jog won that case,

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<v Speaker 2>it would affect all live streamers and god Logic was

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<v Speaker 2>correct in that case. That doesn't mean that I have

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<v Speaker 2>to agree with god Logic's non exclusivist, exclusivity dogmatic acumenist claim. Dummy.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, at the same time, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a scandal that broke out because a girl named Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>wrote substack about dating an East Northodox community and pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out that you know a lot of these guys coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go, So this dummy, of course, is going

425
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<v Speaker 2>to latch on to some rando unstable woman riding a

426
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<v Speaker 2>substact post as AMMO against all the Ortho bros. When

427
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<v Speaker 2>none of these people will just come out and say

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't like Orthodoxy. Although Rouselan did admit that

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<v Speaker 2>in the previous video. I remember he was like, I

430
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<v Speaker 2>was open to Orthodoxy. Not so much anymore. He's spelling

431
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<v Speaker 2>the beans, dude, that he just doesn't like Orthodoxy any comment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, I think you're on to the game.

433
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<v Speaker 8>And everyone kind of knew the game to begin with,

434
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<v Speaker 8>but it finally is finding its head, which is like,

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<v Speaker 8>you guys can't just stay on the fence with broad

436
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<v Speaker 8>Christianity and it's not a good enough excuse to have

437
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<v Speaker 8>a business about it. We're gonna press you on what

438
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<v Speaker 8>you actually believe because you're actually misleading people.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly out of the red Pill matters field brain rot

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<v Speaker 1>the are dealing with just like basic grooming issues and

441
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<v Speaker 1>smell issues, and they're very demeaning towards women.

442
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<v Speaker 2>So hear that. So all the Ortho bros don't know

443
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<v Speaker 2>how to groom themselves, they don't know how to act.

444
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<v Speaker 2>So he just default listened to Catherine, who was shown

445
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<v Speaker 2>to be a total hypocrite in her post. And it's

446
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<v Speaker 2>all the Ortho bros who don't take shout. Dude, you

447
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<v Speaker 2>go to freaking rap church, you got broccoli hair, you

448
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<v Speaker 2>wear your stupid godly ambition T shirts when you preach.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Look at your freaking grooming skills. Dude, you gotta wanna

450
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<v Speaker 2>be afro because you wish you were black.

451
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<v Speaker 3>I am black.

452
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<v Speaker 2>You wish you were me? Dude?

453
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<v Speaker 3>What you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Know that they then exposed revenge corn of this

455
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<v Speaker 1>poor girl okay, which then divided the online Ortho bros

456
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<v Speaker 1>even more.

457
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<v Speaker 2>I mean another lie. No they didn't. That's another lie.

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<v Speaker 2>They blacked out the images and the one that was

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<v Speaker 2>a bikini photo. So everybody who shows a photo that's

460
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<v Speaker 2>a that's so basically every website with a swimsuit is

461
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<v Speaker 2>revenge corn now right, This dude is sot man. You

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<v Speaker 2>see why he put our debate when we were on

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<v Speaker 2>friend terms behind the paywall because I called out about

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<v Speaker 2>four fallacies when we had our two hour debate, and

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<v Speaker 2>he put that, of course behind the paywall, right because

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<v Speaker 2>he knows that. And remember he said in his last video, Yo,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to talk about freaking fallacies? You know listen,

468
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<v Speaker 2>I don't care about fallacies. Don't nobody care about fallacies.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks fallacies are like just attacked it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>words slid according to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for the first time we saw were the

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<v Speaker 1>most finally calling him out. And then this is all

473
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<v Speaker 1>the same week, mind you. So they go from god

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<v Speaker 1>Logica Agrift's.

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<v Speaker 2>Shocker, he sides with the mentally unstable feminist to attack

476
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<v Speaker 2>the Ortho bros. Shocker, right, don't even know what the story,

477
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't even know what happened. Just just side with anybody

478
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<v Speaker 2>who hates Ortho bros. Right now. Notice how different it

479
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<v Speaker 2>is from our approach. I debate the Muslims for eight

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<v Speaker 2>years straight, nine years straight. I agree with one statement

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<v Speaker 2>of one Muslim. I'm allied with them, even though I've

482
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<v Speaker 2>opposed in debate of them for ten years. Ruslan immediately

483
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<v Speaker 2>latches onto and go with and runs with anybody opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to Orthodox, even schismatic priests like that. Lunatic they brought

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<v Speaker 2>on their stream. So do you see the double standard there?

486
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<v Speaker 2>How crazy it actually is?

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<v Speaker 1>What's a grifter? Ipe's a grifter? Okay, which which is

488
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<v Speaker 1>ironic because if everybodys a griftered, then that word uses

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<v Speaker 1>all meaning Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's you're a grifter if you can't tell us

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<v Speaker 2>why or what church we're supposed to go to, or

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<v Speaker 2>what the history of the church is, that's the accusation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just everyone as a grifter, No, you and

494
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<v Speaker 2>your allies are grifting. That's the accusation. Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>If everyone's a grifter, it's like the word racist, right, like,

496
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<v Speaker 1>and everyone's racist? And then what is racist?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So you mean, like how David Wood and your

498
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<v Speaker 2>crowd tries to say that we're all racist with no accusation,

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<v Speaker 2>with no proof. How can I be racist if I'm blacked? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Why? Because they're not willing to have the debate about

501
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<v Speaker 1>the one true church, okay, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the smoke a mirror is to avoid the

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<v Speaker 2>actual theological debate.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of the scandal with this girl riding a

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<v Speaker 1>substack talking about dating the North actual.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the scandal is what she calls dummy, it's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Very reasonable article in NAMS Katherine that.

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<v Speaker 3>That was not in fact, she was a hypocrite and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Who even knows if the think it was true that

511
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<v Speaker 2>chick when she first came into the discord was booted

512
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<v Speaker 2>out in twenty seventeen because she was causing problems. Shout

513
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<v Speaker 2>out to Kai who sends this years.

514
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<v Speaker 1>Ago revenge corn that was released of hers is not

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<v Speaker 1>even being debated within some of these circles, and if

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<v Speaker 1>she should be set and if the photos they released

517
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<v Speaker 1>were of her like in a bathing suit, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, so wait a minute, if the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>were posted were just bathing suits, then you just refuted yourself, idiot,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's not revenge corn, dummy, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I guess explicit photo she said, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>basically just saying she's a hypocrite for saying anything about dating.

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<v Speaker 1>What's a very nuwance article. So that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so wait a minute, so that happened, Well that

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<v Speaker 2>would undo your previous point, dummy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And then it's a bunch of screenshots of Eastern

527
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<v Speaker 1>Orthodox churches and I think some Catholic churches too, seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>charging for the sacrament of baptism.

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<v Speaker 8>You already corrected this, dude, He literally corrected this.

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<v Speaker 4>You correct this right on his post. Chase Haggard corrected

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<v Speaker 4>this on his post. He knows that these are suggested donations.

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<v Speaker 8>He knows that not a single one of these churches

533
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<v Speaker 8>would say, no, you can't get baptized, you got to

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<v Speaker 8>save up the money. Not a single one. And he's

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<v Speaker 8>he knows it. That's why he says seemingly. That means

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<v Speaker 8>he knows.

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<v Speaker 4>He knows.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is how he can still lie. This is

539
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<v Speaker 2>how he can still lie exactly so he's able to lie.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a total liar. By the way, here's Rouselan's

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<v Speaker 2>own church asking for ten thousand dollars a year from

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<v Speaker 2>its congregants to be obedient. So Rouselan's church asks for

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars a year, Rouselan says he's all he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to do is monetize his audience. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>dude defending ten thousand dollars a year and complaining about

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<v Speaker 2>a two hundred dollars suggested fee to rent out at

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<v Speaker 2>the front to rent out the church fellowship hall. Cleeve

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<v Speaker 2>called these churches and asked them, is it two hundred

549
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<v Speaker 2>dollars to receive the sacrament? No, it's two hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to have the party and the fellowship hall. Bro I

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<v Speaker 2>got the following.

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<v Speaker 5>I got twenty eight thousand, I got two hundred thousand

553
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<v Speaker 5>on TikTok three h five hundred Thosand how do I

554
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<v Speaker 5>monetize these people?

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<v Speaker 2>This is the dude complaining about a feed to rant

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<v Speaker 2>a fellowship haul at it. He goes to a church

557
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<v Speaker 2>that asks for ten thousand dollars a year from its

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego congregants.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all this is all happens in the same week.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I didn't cover this next wee because I'm traveling.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in Florida. Shots all of people that came

562
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<v Speaker 1>out of the show and Temple probably our best show

563
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<v Speaker 1>that we had, were tun of people. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>you guys all came out there. So in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this, they are absolutely goings again. So

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Wilson is jumping into any stream he can to

567
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<v Speaker 1>try and you put out the fires. And now this

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<v Speaker 1>has let David would to say, Okay, so we're all

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<v Speaker 1>grifters if we can't debate your want two church, So

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<v Speaker 1>David wo Ha's been doing an onslaught.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the argument is not your grifter, because you can't

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<v Speaker 2>debate one true church. The argument is that after twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years of apologetics, you can't say whether you believe the

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<v Speaker 2>Protestant basics or what the right church to send a

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<v Speaker 2>convert to is.

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<v Speaker 1>Dummy of Eastern Orthodox streams and engaging with folks who

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<v Speaker 1>are East a Northdox. Here in the arguments against it,

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<v Speaker 1>here in arguments for it, prepping for some sort of debate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming he's going to have. This has other people

580
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<v Speaker 1>doing our calling streams, debating or doc and choirs, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really all kind of culminating in the same week

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<v Speaker 1>exposing the utter hypocrisy within this Orthorox community.

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<v Speaker 2>And how where's the hypocrisy? Like, the only hypocrisy is

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you're saying with your church. Charging ten thousand

585
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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year to be an obedient church member, dummy,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? He hasn't actually pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>any hypocrisy. Again, all he has is Ortho bro bad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. This dude is total. He's a paper tiger, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't know what fallacies are as you saw from

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<v Speaker 2>my debate with him, he even says, I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>about fallacies, and this dummy thinks he's going to debate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>So we deluded the are now I want to drop

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<v Speaker 1>clear distinction. I think there's a difference between good faith.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the Orthodox Christians who Now, so this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not what's going on, right, because he just means I

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<v Speaker 2>like any of the faking gay ortho people who are

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<v Speaker 2>who won't say that there's one true church, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all this means. Any comment, Jim, feel free to

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<v Speaker 3>uh no, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>It's it's clear that there's there's basically a protection scheme

602
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<v Speaker 8>for a very general use of the word Christian as

603
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<v Speaker 8>it applies to everything he does, which is performances, merchandise.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's a wider net.

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<v Speaker 8>And the reality is once you actually argue for the

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<v Speaker 8>true Church and you're a part of the true Church,

607
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<v Speaker 8>you obviously that's not a priority. You know, that's something

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<v Speaker 8>that's going to get hit when you say the truth.

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<v Speaker 8>It's just how it is. And so they're just protecting

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<v Speaker 8>He especially is just protecting it. He seems like he's

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<v Speaker 8>protecting like basically a network of people.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a network. And we saw for example that

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<v Speaker 2>David Wood is funded by a Middle Eastern country. His

614
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<v Speaker 2>outfit is and so they might even all just be

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<v Speaker 2>a giant funded grift scheme that's actually political in its orientation,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even over above anything to do with religion. It

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<v Speaker 2>might actually just be money that's being put into these

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<v Speaker 2>groups to promote certain type of non denominational pro zion

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<v Speaker 2>as types of Christianity.

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<v Speaker 1>See other Christians. Brother this is in christ. This would

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<v Speaker 1>seem like a brother named Felys Truth who believes that, Hey,

622
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<v Speaker 1>if you're a Christian and you place faith in Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>you are a Christian. Don't the would prefer you to

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<v Speaker 1>be a part of with it our church. But he

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<v Speaker 1>would say, you're still You're still a brother in faith, right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is someone is close to God.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I don't know that Nick actually said that,

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<v Speaker 3>But that's whether Nick said that or not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still not true. Just because you profess faith in Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make you a brother in Christianity or in

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<v Speaker 2>the Church. As we saw in the first thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>of the Church, anyone that disagreed with anything in the

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<v Speaker 2>Niceno Constantapolitan creed was not considered within the bounds of

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity at all. So if you're outside of the Nicene creed,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not within quote Christianity. That's the delineator. So whether

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<v Speaker 2>Nick said that or not, which I don't trust anything

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<v Speaker 2>Rousalm says, it doesn't matter because it's not true logic verstis.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks are more hard line and they're angry about anyone

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to quote not ecumenical, all right, and this

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<v Speaker 1>we're not angry.

641
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<v Speaker 2>We're just simply calling it out and refuting it. So

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks we're angry, No, we're angry at all the

643
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<v Speaker 2>lives that you tell to try to defend this indefensible posies.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not angry about ecumenism. We think that it's the

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<v Speaker 2>main heresy of our day.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I would add that the frustration, if anything, if

647
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<v Speaker 8>they're sensing it, is that they're not isolating it and

648
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<v Speaker 8>trying to defend it, you know itself. We just want

649
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<v Speaker 8>you to try to defend it, and they're like, no,

650
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<v Speaker 8>we're just going to point out how you guys are

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<v Speaker 8>flustered and mean and annoyed about us, but we're not

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<v Speaker 8>going to actually try to defend this general acumenist view

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<v Speaker 8>that anybody who says, you know, Jesus Christ is Lord is.

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<v Speaker 4>A Christian and the rest is history. No, we don't.

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<v Speaker 4>It's never been done that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just ask these people why a Mormon isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>Christian if they say Jesus, Yeah, they say Jesus is Lord. Well,

658
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<v Speaker 2>Mormon's are better because Joe's witnesses won't say the Trinity,

659
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<v Speaker 2>but Mormon will say I believe in Father, Son and

660
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<v Speaker 2>Holy Spirit.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's even better with the Mormon example because they

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<v Speaker 2>have the same propositions, but they had triput obviously different

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<v Speaker 2>meaning to the propositions, which is the whole point of

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<v Speaker 2>why you can't be a church list apologism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all culminated. David witchtry yesterday, we got it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out where he points out just some of the

668
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<v Speaker 1>utter brain rot that is coming out from these folks

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<v Speaker 1>and the memes and the craziness here. Okay, so check

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<v Speaker 1>this out.

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<v Speaker 7>Ja Dwyer said, cops are in rage. I was skeptical

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<v Speaker 7>of the Isis videos ten years ago, right so.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I said, when did this? This is a tweet

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<v Speaker 2>from Like, they didn't point out that this is a

675
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<v Speaker 2>tweet from like eight years ago. Where I reported on

676
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<v Speaker 2>Fox News saying that the video looks staged, right, and

677
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<v Speaker 2>then they tried to twist that into they're trying to

678
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<v Speaker 2>now get the cops on their side. That's the strategy here,

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<v Speaker 2>because the cops hate us as much as these people

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<v Speaker 2>hate us. Because I went to Fox News and said,

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<v Speaker 2>they are claiming that there's that this video might be

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<v Speaker 2>manipulated or stage, which is entirely possible when it comes

683
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<v Speaker 2>to high profile war footage or propaganda footage. This footage

684
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<v Speaker 2>comes out of Site intelligence run by Rita Katz, which

685
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<v Speaker 2>is an Israeli operation.

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<v Speaker 3>Thus the skepticism. Now the debate.

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<v Speaker 2>The dispute became whether or not we can say the

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<v Speaker 2>Coptics are Christian martyrs. We can't say that because we

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<v Speaker 2>don't include people.

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<v Speaker 3>On our calendar outside of the church.

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<v Speaker 2>When I explained this, I said, we don't know those

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<v Speaker 2>people might end up in heaven because in the Orthodox perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>Christ can join people to his mystical body in extra

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<v Speaker 2>normative means, but they're not going to be on our calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>Same reason Thomas Aquinas won't be on the calendar of

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<v Speaker 2>the Orthodox Church celebrated as a saint. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk or Charlie Kirk exactly. So this is the this

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<v Speaker 2>is so they immediately trying to find any dirt to

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<v Speaker 2>try to pull up to make us look bad. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you actually listen to what the situation is, it

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<v Speaker 2>makes perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 7>But even the mean stream media dout of them. The

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<v Speaker 7>second article here at first too, with the watching post.

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<v Speaker 7>So that was back when he was saying he doubted

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<v Speaker 7>the executions of the twenty one Copday Christians, and AP replied,

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<v Speaker 7>he said, do you agree the Martys were actually beheaded?

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, So, by the way, AP shuts ap. Ap

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<v Speaker 1>is actually, I guess a cacumen becoming you showing about himself.

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<v Speaker 3>No he's not.

710
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<v Speaker 2>He ran off to Israel and cheated on his wife

711
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 2>during his catechum in it, and was told multiple times

712
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>to stop teaching theology and debating on the internet because

713
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<v Speaker 2>he's an Israel shill. And he ran from a debate

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<v Speaker 2>with me on the question of Christian Zionism, right, just

715
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>like all of these dudes were run. And notice I

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<v Speaker 2>even I even explain in my tweet the correct answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what actually happened in this situation because

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there, But we don't call them Christian martyrs

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<v Speaker 2>anymore than we would call a Hesba lah leader a martyr.

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<v Speaker 2>The very point that I was arguing against uh Or

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<v Speaker 2>with Ridbon two years ago. Go ahead, Jamal, I.

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<v Speaker 8>Just want to add in a recent, very recent interview,

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<v Speaker 8>ap also declared he has has been Christianed for a

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<v Speaker 8>year and a half or something, which you know, depending

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<v Speaker 8>on how you communicate that, you know, if he's not

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<v Speaker 8>continuing his catechisis and he's none good standing and on

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<v Speaker 8>his way to baptism, Like, I don't understand how you

728
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<v Speaker 8>could kind of declared that and and sort of LARPing

729
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<v Speaker 8>in the interview with his prayer rope and everything, like

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<v Speaker 8>he's fully involved with Orthodoxy.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was a bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're all open, like open Christian Zionists, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the very thing that makes them enable to be

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<v Speaker 2>to become Orthodox online people. So this is who Rouseelan

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<v Speaker 2>has now thrown his his his side, and he's on

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<v Speaker 2>that side, and he doesn't realize that, like do you

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<v Speaker 2>not see that the future of where things are going

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<v Speaker 2>is not Christian Zionism, you dummy? So you're throwing your

739
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<v Speaker 2>lot in with these idiots and again, I said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I even explain what I'm talking about here. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>Christian martyrs in the canonical sense of like, are we

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<v Speaker 2>going to put Nosralla on the Orthodox calendar because he

743
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>was a quote martyr for Islam? Of course not. So yeah,

744
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<v Speaker 2>you just like the word Christian can be used in

745
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<v Speaker 2>a generic sense because people are quote all self identifying

746
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<v Speaker 2>loosely as does not mean that we consider them as Christians.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Coptic martyrs might be publicly considered martyrs, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the Orthodox Church and it's law, it's

749
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<v Speaker 2>canon law, and it's canonical liturgical celebrations. We are not

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<v Speaker 2>going to call Coptic people Christian saint martyrs.

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<v Speaker 1>And ap says they're actually dishonest.

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<v Speaker 8>Thing here is people would know this and it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 8>be controversial. You would just be saying, yeah, we hold

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<v Speaker 8>the Orthodox position.

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<v Speaker 4>They're like Jay and Andrew like whatever.

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<v Speaker 8>They're trying to like find people and try to present

757
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<v Speaker 8>it like it's controversial, but it's actually not a controversial

758
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<v Speaker 8>position from an Orthodox position at Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well right, but Ruslan, who obviously doesn't know ur theology,

760
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<v Speaker 2>he's they're all just that this is all to try

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<v Speaker 2>to appeal to the lowest common denominator, low IQ evangelical

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<v Speaker 2>audience that they're directed towards. And this is to try

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<v Speaker 2>to get uh dumb Coptic people to support them because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like us no martyrs.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, ap pointed out that they're old patriarchs. Bartholomew one

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<v Speaker 1>of the big patriarchs. He's not like the Pope, but

767
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<v Speaker 1>he's up there put out on the same strea when

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<v Speaker 1>David Wit channel that these folks that are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>leading the church are more like coumitical, whence he Protestants

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<v Speaker 1>and Catholics as distant brothers but still brothers the defate stool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fact that Bartholomew isn't acumenist doesn't prove anything, dummy.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be like me saying that, well, I find a

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<v Speaker 2>prominent Baptist pastor who's not an acumenist, So I guess

774
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<v Speaker 2>that means that Protestants shouldn't be a chumnist. I mean

775
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<v Speaker 2>that's the same, that's the equivalence of it. But Rouselan

776
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<v Speaker 2>is like Rouselon actually is, and can't debate. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why he thinks that he's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to ever debate when if he ever does a debate,

779
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<v Speaker 2>it will be the biggest slaughter in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>online debates. I hope he actually does it, because he

781
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<v Speaker 2>is terrible, and even the closest friends to him that

782
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>know him and that we know all tell him, dude,

783
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 2>you're not a debater. You're gonna get demolished even if

784
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<v Speaker 2>you go up against Flintess or Candas, all the people

785
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<v Speaker 2>you've been trying to debate. No, by the way, notice

786
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 2>as hypocrite one to debate Candace and Flentest for the

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<v Speaker 2>last two years. And then and says, Jay Dyer only

788
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<v Speaker 2>wants to the big big channels. Captain crack rock channels,

789
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<v Speaker 2>not bigger than mine, Billy Baptist that I debated his

790
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>channel's not bigger than mine. I don't just debate big channels,

791
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<v Speaker 2>but I do want to debate big channels because I

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<v Speaker 2>believe I could beat all these big dumb dumbs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why, dummy, I guess you call it heterodox, but

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<v Speaker 1>within Christendom. Okay, so ay, he pointed that out. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is East Orthodox, asking the the the you know,

796
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<v Speaker 1>Jay Dyer, the cult of this the cult leader of

797
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<v Speaker 1>this entire thing about I don't mean literally and just

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<v Speaker 1>mean the way these guys act is very much.

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<v Speaker 4>No, you mean see how he see how backpedals so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>He backpedals so fast because.

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<v Speaker 4>He's flip flips flips.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we're a cult according to this liar, and

803
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<v Speaker 2>he tells people to go to a Messianic synagogue where

804
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 2>they circumcise people. You can't make this up. This is

805
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<v Speaker 2>kind of unreal.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah right, Well, further Jay, he you're in a cult, right,

807
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<v Speaker 8>you're a cult leader. But he called he does a

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<v Speaker 8>call to action for Orthodox priests to go up again.

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00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh, to cancel us. He does a call to action

810
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<v Speaker 2>to cancel everybody who's a quote Ortho bro as if

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<v Speaker 2>Orthox priests give a shit what this says. So that's

812
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a cult tactic to call everyone because of quote bad behavior,

813
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:23.079
<v Speaker 2>to cancel these people. But we're cults because we actually

814
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<v Speaker 2>ask people to do public debates. What cult even does

815
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<v Speaker 2>public debates? You guys are the ones that run from debate.

816
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<v Speaker 2>You guys are the ones that say, I don't care

817
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<v Speaker 2>about logic and fallacies. No cult teaches people basic logic.

818
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 2>We do, duh. We're the opposite of a cult, Bros.

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<v Speaker 1>Is very much like the folks we're told, don't listen

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<v Speaker 1>to other arguments, you know, only stay isolated into this little.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing who says, don't listen to other arguments. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any arguments. We're waiting for you to present them, dummy.

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<v Speaker 8>This guy's a lunatic solo to a cult would would

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<v Speaker 8>hide from. Like like Mormonism, they have a very low

825
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<v Speaker 8>amount of people that can that even try to defend

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<v Speaker 8>their faith, and they're actually people are like, don't do it,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, just just shut up.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's stay in our Mormon little town.

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<v Speaker 8>And but Orthodox people who are at least vocal online,

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<v Speaker 8>we seek the We seek the confrontation. We seek the

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<v Speaker 8>examination of both our own view and other view.

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<v Speaker 4>And we like to compare it like there's nothing you

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<v Speaker 4>could ever find it a cult that went out into.

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<v Speaker 8>The world and put itself in a vulnerable position to

835
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<v Speaker 8>weaken its leader. Right, Well, that's a total opposite of

836
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 8>Orthodoxy exactly.

837
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 2>And far from hiding the arguments of other people, we

838
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 2>are begging you to do a public debate on the issues.

839
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 2>This is so bullshit.

840
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Being in anyone challenges orthodoxy's a that person.

841
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.239
<v Speaker 2>So he's anybody that challenges Orthodoxy should be able to

842
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>come present the arguments in a debate. This whole stupid

843
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 2>hip piece here is a steering of the narrative. So

844
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.039
<v Speaker 2>he's just doing like media attack to try to steer

845
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the narrative. It's like CNN level stuff. It's nothing to

846
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.280
<v Speaker 2>do with like formal debates. And because we all know

847
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>this is not going to formally debate.

848
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 7>He says this to Ja Dyer, and this is Ja

849
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.280
<v Speaker 7>Dyer's response, like you think actually happened? Do you will

850
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.000
<v Speaker 7>read the marter's actually been? And Jay says, I don't

851
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 7>know what happened. I don't call them martyrs anymore than

852
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 7>I call Hesbala.

853
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Leaders a martyr. Yeah, exactly, So they're not martyrs because

854
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>they weren't martyred for the true Church, and they're basically

855
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 2>in the same category as hezbladjihaties he wouldn't the Uman.

856
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 2>So this read actually thinks that me just stating the

857
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox position that we don't have martyrs outside of the church,

858
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>which means canonically received and accepted as saints in the calendar.

859
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.800
<v Speaker 2>He thinks that's the same thing as a person who

860
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.000
<v Speaker 2>is an independent funnel as Baptist cult leader, right, who

861
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 2>says that you have to be in my ifb cult

862
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:50.679
<v Speaker 2>to be saved. By the way, again, we publicly reject

863
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the confessions of the heterodox groups. We don't make determinations

864
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>on individuals salvation. And in the case of these Coptic martyrs,

865
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I said so called, it's entirely possible that they could

866
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 2>be united to the mystical body through baptism of desire.

867
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Or something like that, baptism of blood.

868
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 2>We don't know. But what I do know is that

869
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.559
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to be on the Orthodox calendar. That's

870
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>what I said, and that's what I meant. Of course,

871
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>they don't know anything about that. They don't care.

872
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 7>Those guys matters because they're Ouside Druch, just like these

873
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:19.559
<v Speaker 7>cops square.

874
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now this is an important stinction to me because

875
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.280
<v Speaker 1>again within East Orthodoxy, there seems to be some division

876
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>on this particular issue.

877
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>This is also a fallacy, by the way, So what

878
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>because there are ecumenists in the world of Orthodoxy, this

879
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 2>somehow means that, ah, you see Orthodox they don't agree.

880
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.920
<v Speaker 2>They don't agree. Yeah, but all that shows is that

881
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>people disagree. That doesn't prove Orthodoxy falls.

882
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I wanna say They've had some councils about this, and

883
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to say ten out of the fourteen or

884
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 1>fifteen different they would say Differentthodox churchrees, but different, you know, Roman,

885
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the Romanians, the Russians, a good chunk of them are

886
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>actually becoming more ecumenical that some even say they might.

887
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>There were some councils about this. What where were the ecumenical?

888
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Where were the humanist councils?

889
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>ROUSLM churches were different, you know, Roman the Romanian.

890
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's make sure I heard what he said there.

891
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Let's go back.

892
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.199
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, they've had some councils about this,

893
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and I want to say ten out of the fourteen

894
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>or fifteen different, they would say differ Orthodoxy.

895
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.159
<v Speaker 2>So accord to Ruslan, there were some ten of the

896
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 2>jurisdictions that were doing acumenist councils. Okay, what are those, Ruslan?

897
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>What are you even talking about? Churches were different, you

898
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>know Romi the he probably means the council Creed, which

899
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 2>is a big failure, didn't go anywhere. That must be

900
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:28.880
<v Speaker 2>what he's talking about.

901
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Manians, the Russians, a good chunk of them are actually

902
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.440
<v Speaker 1>becoming more ecumenical that some even say they might have

903
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:34.639
<v Speaker 1>their Vatican too moment where they.

904
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh, interesting, I like how he's liking it to Vatican two,

905
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 2>which has proven our point. Right, So if it's like

906
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Vatican two and it's acumenism, that's actually an argument in

907
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.599
<v Speaker 2>our favor because our whole argument is that Vatican.

908
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Two departed from the tradition of the Church. So Rouslan

909
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:54.360
<v Speaker 3>is indirectly disproving a novsorder Catholicism too. Did you want

910
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 3>to say something to them.

911
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Uh, yeah, I don't know.

912
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 8>I mean, based on his reasoning is criteria for a

913
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 8>division then pretty much like the entirety of the early

914
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 8>Church and keeping it in one piece throughout the ages,

915
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 8>he has to say like it was divided the whole time,

916
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 8>right that, like he how could he go back with

917
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 8>this argument, back to the beginning of the church and

918
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 8>everything that followed, How could he trust any of that

919
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 8>based on this one thing that that people disagreed on.

920
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Stuff I just don't understand.

921
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, again, not only do these individuals themselves not know

922
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>basic logical fallacies, they actually are trusting as well that

923
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 2>emotional appeals will score a lot better with their audience

924
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 2>than actual logical argumentation and church history and theology or

925
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 2>exactly true. Actually, so from a tactics perspective, this was

926
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>actually smarter Rouseelan to do this level type of appeal

927
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 2>because he has a he has a audience. So here

928
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>we have, for example, in the Niceno Constapolitan Creed, you

929
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 2>have this statement, we confess one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.

930
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>That's in the Niceno Constabpolitan Creed. And when we look

931
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>at the people who compose that creed at Constantinople one,

932
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>if we look at the Cappadocians, then we look at

933
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 2>the theology for the succeeding centuries. The way that that

934
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 2>was understood was you believe in baptismal regeneration and you

935
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 2>believe in a visible institutional entity, the Orthodox Catholic Church.

936
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:26.840
<v Speaker 4>Right.

937
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>And Rome, by the way, agrees that that was the

938
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 2>perspective for the first thousand years. Right, So accepting the

939
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>post Novasorto, the Latin Church, even though we think they

940
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:40.039
<v Speaker 2>were in schism, even the Latin Papal Church up until Vatican.

941
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Two agreed that for the first thousand years of the church.

942
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was absolutely the case that there was one

943
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.519
<v Speaker 2>visible institutional body that makes up what the one Holy

944
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Catholic Apostolic church is those are the four marks, right,

945
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 2>No rap church existed. There is no rap church that

946
00:45:58.719 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 2>has the four marks.

947
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Acknowledge that folk who a outside the church and still

948
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>expand salvation. But there are more of these hardliners, and

949
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately the face of the Orthodox are the more hardliners.

950
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 1>If you're not use North act, you're not a Christian,

951
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't have salvation. Okay, So it's a big mess

952
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:11.079
<v Speaker 1>internally within their own So.

953
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.760
<v Speaker 2>This is another lie. We never made the determination of

954
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>individuals that they cannot ever be in some way united

955
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to the mystical body. We don't know people's destinies. What

956
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.199
<v Speaker 2>we know is that their public confessions in those religions

957
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 2>are heterodox, and we have a duty to tell them

958
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 2>to become Orthodox. So but I mean, of course, this

959
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.000
<v Speaker 2>dude is not ever going to care about nuance.

960
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Ranks and the overlap with the patriarch in Russia. One

961
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of patrios in Russia who's a millionaire in business with Putin,

962
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of overlap with the Russian government.

963
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, here we go. And by the way, this explains

964
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 2>too why when I went on his stream, he started

965
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to grill me implying and insinuating that I had

966
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>some connection to Russia because I go to ro Court.

967
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 2>And if you saw the podcast that we did, there

968
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.119
<v Speaker 2>was this weird section where he suddenly started wanting to

969
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 2>defend the Ukraine and why Putin bad and all this

970
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. And I don't care about criticize Putin.

971
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:02.840
<v Speaker 3>You can make a criticism, who doesn't bother me at all.

972
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 2>But he wanted to turn it into a pro NATO thing,

973
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 2>which makes me think, why the hell does this dude

974
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.519
<v Speaker 2>care about NATO? But I also recall I think he

975
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 2>had from his Armenian heritage, there is some issue with

976
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Russia which leads to some sort of I don't know

977
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.519
<v Speaker 2>if it goes back to the Cold War whatever, but

978
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:26.599
<v Speaker 2>then it goes back to political animosity that his Armenian

979
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:32.079
<v Speaker 2>heritage has with Soviets perhaps, and that's why he's immediately

980
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 2>turning it into a If you go watch our podcast,

981
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 2>there's a section where he starts trying to defend NATO,

982
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and we have about a ten to twenty minute argument

983
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 2>about whether or not NATO was the source of the

984
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 2>provocation against Russia, which I think that it was whether

985
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:47.760
<v Speaker 2>and I don't have a problem, Like I would criticize

986
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Putin for example, you know, he's bringing in his own

987
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 2>type of technocratic stuff. Putin has a two positive attitude

988
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 2>of Islam in terms of Moscow, right that stuff. That's fine,

989
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.760
<v Speaker 2>make those criticisms, But how does that make me somehow

990
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, linked to Russia or tied to Russia. So

991
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 2>these liars are going to keep doing the same old

992
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>thing that they've always tried to do. By the way,

993
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 2>when Ridvan converted, supposedly immediately what he to do start

994
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>defending the Ukraine. Remember when he told Father Michael Lil

995
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and Father Whiteford and others that there was no persecution

996
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox Church in the Ukraine. And after all of these

997
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>priests called out rid Vaughan, he had to back down

998
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 2>and admit he was wrong. So but why are these

999
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.800
<v Speaker 2>people automatically de facto defending all the CIA narratives. That's

1000
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:36.880
<v Speaker 2>suspicious to me.

1001
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>A lot of these guys are coming out of the

1002
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Russian Orthodox side on the charts, are like, ooh ooh, big.

1003
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Band Russian Orthodox. But by the way, does he not

1004
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 2>realize that most of the Antiochians who have a connection

1005
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 2>to the Middle East are also not Zionis U dummy,

1006
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 2>It's not just Russians. What are you talking about? And

1007
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Rokor is still very small in the United States, so

1008
00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 2>there are plenty of Serbs, there are plenty of Romanians.

1009
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.800
<v Speaker 2>There plenty of people all over the Orthodox Church who

1010
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 2>are not a humanist. But he wants to tie it

1011
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.559
<v Speaker 2>into the political angle because he knows his re evangelical

1012
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:12.079
<v Speaker 2>audience doesn't know anything about geopolitics, so they're just gonna

1013
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:14.480
<v Speaker 2>believe the news that Russia bad Putin is the new hill,

1014
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 2>all this nonsense.

1015
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Greeks are chill, you know, other folks at chow. But

1016
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.079
<v Speaker 1>it's the Russian ortho. Oddly enough, my family, you know,

1017
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 1>my mom is Russian Ukrainian. She's nothing by our Median family.

1018
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.800
<v Speaker 2>And so ah, there's the root of it. There's a

1019
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Ukrainian angle to Ruslam. That's why he is defending Ukraine

1020
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 2>and Zelenski. Go watch our podcast where he did. So

1021
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.280
<v Speaker 2>here's this reader defends Zolensky and he's trying to turn

1022
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:41.639
<v Speaker 2>it into basically, this thirty two minute video is throw

1023
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.199
<v Speaker 2>in any dirt, throw any dirt against the wall that

1024
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 2>you can come up with to make it stick for his.

1025
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:50.360
<v Speaker 8>Uh yeah, it sounds like Jay, you just recently went

1026
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:51.280
<v Speaker 8>over at mommy's house.

1027
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.079
<v Speaker 4>She cooked him to dinner and gave him an earful.

1028
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 4>He's just remembering some of it.

1029
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like yeah, literally, throw anything against the wall,

1030
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 2>find any dirt, find this old tweet which is a

1031
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:06.480
<v Speaker 2>nothing burger, throw it against the wall. Dyer's KGB. I

1032
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 2>mean he's running with like the lowest tier shit too. Like, dude,

1033
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:11.559
<v Speaker 2>you got to do better ops research than this, bro.

1034
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>This is weak shit.

1035
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.320
<v Speaker 1>This is all very interesting overlap with the corrupt side

1036
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of the Russian Orthodox, particularly that's in business and in bed.

1037
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 2>With By the way, how does he know that Kirol

1038
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.360
<v Speaker 2>is a billionaire? Who is what is this from the

1039
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>New York Times? I mean, did you go to rap

1040
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 2>church that asked.

1041
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<v Speaker 3>For one thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars from your congrests?

1042
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<v Speaker 4>So uh?

1043
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<v Speaker 2>And the source of the supposed I mean, I don't

1044
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<v Speaker 2>know what his finances are, But the accusation that Kirol

1045
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 2>is a billionaire, I mean, what's the proof of that?

1046
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Right?

1047
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>This is just assertions, and I guarantee it's coming out

1048
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<v Speaker 2>of like the New York Times and other ciam l.

1049
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<v Speaker 1>Pieces, Ladiman Putin and all the issues with Ukraine positive

1050
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Like he's like and the billionaire who's an ecumenist.

1051
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:57.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like wait a minute, yeah, what hold on,

1052
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 2>So wouldn't that be like wouldn't he be like a

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00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>top player in your in your scheme. But if Kiril

1054
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.559
<v Speaker 2>is an acumenist with who's a billionaire, then he's like

1055
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.239
<v Speaker 2>mastered rap. He's mastered business church. So he should be

1056
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:09.800
<v Speaker 2>a hero to you.

1057
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Not being in communion with other Easter of the Dox churches.

1058
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.360
<v Speaker 2>So you know, they blame he would be the first

1059
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.159
<v Speaker 2>saint of a rap church, right.

1060
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 1>They point out issues within the non denomn space, in

1061
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:19.639
<v Speaker 1>the process space, and it's like, man, you have churches

1062
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 1>they're fighting right now that aren't communion with each other's.

1063
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dummy, this is the low tier. This was Michael

1064
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Lofton's line of argument, you got problems in your church?

1065
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Two dog. Yeah. The argument is not we don't have problems,

1066
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.119
<v Speaker 2>you do, therefore ours is true. The argument is you

1067
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:36.840
<v Speaker 2>don't have a church at all, You have no conception

1068
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 2>of church. So it matters largely what the problem is

1069
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>not just is there any problem. Of course, everybody has problems.

1070
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Every church has phonies, every church has corruption. The question

1071
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:54.920
<v Speaker 2>is is your issue a system level defeater? Right? A

1072
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 2>corrupt patriarch, of which there have been many, is not

1073
00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>a system level defeater for Orthodoxy having no doctrine of

1074
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 2>the church is a system level defeater for your grift

1075
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:05.320
<v Speaker 2>that won't.

1076
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 4>Even acknowling for in favor of whether it's at the

1077
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 4>level of the social stuff that goes on, like policing

1078
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Orthodox people and how they act and how they talk,

1079
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 4>uh to how the church operates in general.

1080
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:22.119
<v Speaker 8>Is any arguing from some for some normative structure itself,

1081
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:23.559
<v Speaker 8>but that he's denying it.

1082
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 4>He's doing both at the same time.

1083
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what a normative structure to control or to try

1084
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.320
<v Speaker 3>to corral the corruption in the church sacraments.

1085
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now you have to do the research on your

1086
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:35.920
<v Speaker 1>own for all this stuff. But this is all very

1087
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>fairly public information.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how come you didn't incite any of you? You

1089
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.599
<v Speaker 2>just asserted it, right, Like Kirol is a billionaire? Well,

1090
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 2>where's the proof of that?

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00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.280
<v Speaker 1>That is standalizing to the church as far as IM concerned,

1092
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 1>And they're upset that. You know, Christians don't want to

1093
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.440
<v Speaker 1>disclose the nominations or avery or David Wood doesn't.

1094
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Want to know. That's not we're not upset because they

1095
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:58.719
<v Speaker 2>won't say where they go, they won't say what they're defending.

1096
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>He's got a oh that like this is so low

1097
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.000
<v Speaker 2>tier dude. I keep just saying to It's just sad

1098
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Speaker 2>how little they expect of their audience. They're so cynical

1099
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 2>that they know that the more irrational and the more

1100
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.559
<v Speaker 2>fallacious and the more emotional appeals they do, that will

1101
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.760
<v Speaker 2>actually resonate with their audience.

1102
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Prop everything they're doing in debate who is the One

1103
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 1>True Church?

1104
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 8>And then what joy beharr on the view talk about

1105
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:26.599
<v Speaker 8>Trump but your but your Trump?

1106
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's Ruslan has the equivalent of Trump derangement syndrome.

1107
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Exactly one more here.

1108
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.679
<v Speaker 7>So this is from Andrew Wilson, and I want people

1109
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 7>to understand, like what these guys actually believe about people

1110
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:39.519
<v Speaker 7>outside their church.

1111
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So this is up. But at least we believe something.

1112
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>We can't get what you believe.

1113
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 7>But you won't even say Andrew Wilson. Wilson, and he's

1114
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 7>got two memes there. So the meme on the left

1115
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 7>was when it was sent to him to describe what's

1116
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:49.679
<v Speaker 7>going on the word ros and then he fixed it.

1117
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 7>So I'll show you the about to go.

1118
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Check out this stream with David what he sat down,

1119
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 1>uh with doctor Tony who went over and you know

1120
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 1>it made a long second.

1121
00:53:57.639 --> 00:53:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Jay.

1122
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.559
<v Speaker 8>I just want to point out again they go in between,

1123
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 8>I'm not attacking Orthodoxy, I'm attacking Ortho bros. But this

1124
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.039
<v Speaker 8>is an Orthodox position about martyrs, right, This is not

1125
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:11.280
<v Speaker 8>Andrew Wilson and Jay Dyer's like personal like you didn't

1126
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.360
<v Speaker 8>conjure this yourself, you know when they were talking about that.

1127
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.719
<v Speaker 4>So they keep switching, they keep switching. No, I'm not,

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00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:19.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm not.

1129
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 8>I'm not attacking Eastern Orthodoxy the the theology, but I'm

1130
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:25.960
<v Speaker 8>attacking Andrew Wilson.

1131
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.079
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, but MENI pants.

1132
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 2>But Tony Costa's whole podcast is actually against orthodox theology.

1133
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1134
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 2>And look behind Tony Costa, he's got a minora. Why

1135
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.920
<v Speaker 2>does the Calvinists have a anora in the background? Can

1136
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:41.800
<v Speaker 2>you guys see that? Are you noticing a pattern? And

1137
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>by the way, Tony Costa asked me to debate in

1138
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.639
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen or eighteen. I said yes, and then he

1139
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 2>backed out because I was too mean, quote unquote. These

1140
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:55.599
<v Speaker 2>are the absolute coward they're the most pussy footed cowards

1141
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 2>on the internet. Dude, these people are so snaky, cowardly pathetic.

1142
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:05.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't have any actual argumentation. The only strategy here

1143
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 2>is make as much fuss about orthobro bad anything to

1144
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.840
<v Speaker 2>avoid an actual debate. And they'd learned nothing from the

1145
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholics who did this exact same strategy. Now a

1146
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.440
<v Speaker 2>little side note, I don't know if this is true

1147
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 2>because I don't follow the drama, but according to Scamshamouh,

1148
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Michael Lofton is so tired of the papacy in Pope's

1149
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:33.159
<v Speaker 2>planning that he's actually all he does on his channel,

1150
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:39.159
<v Speaker 2>according to scamshamoo is bitch about the Israel conflict. So basically,

1151
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Sam shamou alleges that Lofton is on the edge of

1152
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 2>agnosticism and atheism because he's so let down by the

1153
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 2>papacy in the last year or so, because all it

1154
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.599
<v Speaker 2>is is political drama streams now, he doesn't care about apologetics.

1155
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that interesting because Michael Lofton for the last several

1156
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:04.159
<v Speaker 2>years had the exact same strategy as these goobers. These

1157
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.599
<v Speaker 2>goobers are doing what Lofton did and guess what it's

1158
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 2>going to be the exact same trajectory. When you defend

1159
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>incessantly bullshit nonsense and use this as a deflective technique

1160
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 2>to not actually address the issues or to do an

1161
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 2>actual debate, what ends up happening is you will burn out.

1162
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>You will go off into the irrelevance sphere. You will

1163
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:33.800
<v Speaker 2>become totally irrelevant like Lofton has because you're defending the indefensible.

1164
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Pace against East Orthodoxy that I thought was very good.

1165
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait a minute, I thought you weren't against the Orthodoxy,

1166
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 2>was just against the Orthol bros. But here he is

1167
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 2>promoting a live stream against Eastern Orthodoxy itself, so proving

1168
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:49.440
<v Speaker 2>cleave and made by Jim Bob's point that they shift

1169
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 2>back and forth between I'm not against orthodox it's just

1170
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the evil Ortho bros. By the way, here's a ten

1171
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.119
<v Speaker 2>point refutation of Orthodoxy.

1172
00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 1>And you can come to your own conclusions on some

1173
00:56:58.719 --> 00:56:59.280
<v Speaker 1>of this sort of stuff.

1174
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.320
<v Speaker 7>Actual memes. This is the first one to say, Okay,

1175
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:03.000
<v Speaker 7>so this one and I believe.

1176
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.000
<v Speaker 2>So look at this. This is how this is so ridiculous.

1177
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:11.159
<v Speaker 2>They're arguing about memes like leftists bitching about memes and

1178
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 2>none of them will do a formal debate. Who cannot

1179
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 2>see through this they're arguing about memes.

1180
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 8>The crazy part is the meme itself exposes what we're

1181
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:25.000
<v Speaker 8>trying to get them to defend. Like they didn't even

1182
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.960
<v Speaker 8>understand that this meme, the meme correction that Andrew did

1183
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.519
<v Speaker 8>was spot on, and they're like, oh, this is the worst.

1184
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.440
<v Speaker 8>You're like, that's literally what we're saying. You guys, you're

1185
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 8>not actually saving the person exactly.

1186
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.840
<v Speaker 7>You're saying, help me, she's on fire, go anywhere. And

1187
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 7>a Christian runs up.

1188
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but see, that's the irony here, is that the

1189
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:45.840
<v Speaker 2>guy with the water hose is like pulling up and

1190
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 2>being like, yeah, but uh uh. In other words, there's

1191
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:51.480
<v Speaker 2>no water in the hose because you're not telling them

1192
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Speaker 2>where to go. Just go to Jesus.

1193
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 9>Bro.

1194
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Imagine being an ad iq Muslim who actually does want

1195
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.920
<v Speaker 2>to convert, like Jim Bob said, and your response is, uh,

1196
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.000
<v Speaker 2>here's a two thousand page extremely difficult book. Good luck.

1197
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, I mean, what are you talking about.

1198
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.000
<v Speaker 7>Don't worry, here comes the water of life. So this

1199
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.119
<v Speaker 7>is this is meant to describe preaching the Gospel to

1200
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:14.239
<v Speaker 7>the person everything, and then he finds out what they

1201
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 7>we don't agree.

1202
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Or believe that you have the gospel. You're just assuming

1203
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 2>that anti Islamianity is the gospel. That is what is

1204
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:22.159
<v Speaker 2>in question.

1205
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 3>So come prove that.

1206
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh they can't.

1207
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 7>And it's the host is working. And it's because in

1208
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:28.079
<v Speaker 7>Port the bro has.

1209
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Speaker 1>First, let's settle with a real fire fighters between the

1210
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:31.199
<v Speaker 1>two of us.

1211
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 2>No again, he's all, this was so funny.

1212
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I got here.

1213
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:37.159
<v Speaker 7>Wilsons response, He said, he fixed it. He said to

1214
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:38.840
<v Speaker 7>fix he fixed the meme. So here's his meme, s

1215
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.239
<v Speaker 7>it's unbeliever Numliever's on fire. And then a fireman runs

1216
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 7>up and you see it's not small there. But the

1217
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 7>fireman's says Protestant Christian. Protestant Christian is Protestant, and the

1218
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:50.119
<v Speaker 7>Protestant Christian is actually trying to pour gasoline, trying to

1219
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:51.480
<v Speaker 7>put out the fire with gasoline.

1220
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And then it's accurately, that's an accurate assessment. So hey,

1221
00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>flea Islam, it's a terrible gnostic Talmudic judaizing sect. Where

1222
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 2>should I go to the tealumutic judaizing sect across the

1223
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.119
<v Speaker 2>streets exactly to the synagogue that you send people to.

1224
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 2>So here is again Rouselan sends people to this circumcising synagogue.

1225
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:16.800
<v Speaker 2>This should be the end of all of it, right

1226
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 2>here there. There should be no more. This shouldn't even

1227
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.400
<v Speaker 2>be a debate after this. But again, the people in

1228
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.559
<v Speaker 2>these spheres are so dumb that they don't even see

1229
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a problem with sending Young Dong to a circum.

1230
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.280
<v Speaker 1>To a circle, so launching up something sweeter recipe that

1231
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:34.320
<v Speaker 1>was more so, it's.

1232
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:35.159
<v Speaker 4>All emotion to this.

1233
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.639
<v Speaker 8>He just totally doesn't get the point of it, and

1234
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 8>he goes right into just like moralizing.

1235
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.920
<v Speaker 2>That's because he doesn't understand actually how to debate. He

1236
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.679
<v Speaker 2>thinks that debate is just what he's doing, where you

1237
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:49.159
<v Speaker 2>just try to present the best smear tactics because it's

1238
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.000
<v Speaker 2>all adiq shit anyway for his audience.

1239
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.360
<v Speaker 7>The Orthodox guy who unhooks it to keep the Protestant

1240
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 7>Christian from pouring gasoline on this parson.

1241
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what amazing, what amazing heroes the Orthorpe.

1242
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:02.199
<v Speaker 2>What amazing, You're amazing it's all just emo.

1243
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 1>What amazing heroes of that? I mean, if it wasn't

1244
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:05.440
<v Speaker 1>for them, who else would be going on all these

1245
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 1>streams and calling all these women hores. Who else would

1246
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 1>be the most insufferable people on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait a minute, that's not all Andrew does and

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<v Speaker 2>just just go on streams and call people whoes. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go through the total catalog of the countless

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<v Speaker 2>times that he has been on whatever podcast and debated

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01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.639
<v Speaker 2>and argued with countless feminists, the instances of that actually

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<v Speaker 2>happening is very small. And by the way, some women

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<v Speaker 2>are actually hores, dummy, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would it be wrong to say when many women

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<v Speaker 3>actually self identify as.

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<v Speaker 2>Hoes to say that. Secondly, the ortho bros mistreating women

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<v Speaker 2>is very minimal compared to what is actually going on

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<v Speaker 2>out there when you look at real sins and real problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me give an example. What's worse an ortho bro

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<v Speaker 2>being mean on X And by the way, anybody can

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<v Speaker 2>create a profile. Who even knows if real bros are

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<v Speaker 2>this ian. I saw a profile the other day. It

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<v Speaker 2>was supposedly an ortho bro literally just created no comments.

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<v Speaker 2>The only comment was it's time to legalize grape dude.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not all. That's who anybody could do that. That

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<v Speaker 2>could be Gavin's so pro soccer. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I'm just saying allegedly it could it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Compare that to Gavin Ortland's church hiring a known skittles

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<v Speaker 2>pastor secretly married to a man. They knew it, they

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<v Speaker 2>still hired him, and then only after people called it

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<v Speaker 2>out did they say, Okay, it's time for him to

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<v Speaker 2>be dismissed. Now what's worse and where is uh? Where

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<v Speaker 2>is Rouselin calling out Gavin Skittle's church. Oh he didn't call,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, I'll just add that it says a

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<v Speaker 4>lot that the only fans horror is more willing to

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<v Speaker 4>debate her view than you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, that was a sick burner there exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Else would be coddling next to the grapers and the

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<v Speaker 1>racist who dropping the N word on ironically?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh there we go. So we race this over

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<v Speaker 2>in this sphere. We racist because they're dropping the N

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<v Speaker 2>word all all. Ruselawn, the social justice warrior of twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Six, he rose on these guys, man, they're really fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Ru's on you, a dumb how's that.

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<v Speaker 1>The against the real evils of the world, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Christians putting out fires and doing all the evangelize.

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<v Speaker 2>The real evils of the world. How about gay church

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<v Speaker 2>that you never called out that you're best buddies with.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and by the way, translating all the Church Fathers

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<v Speaker 1>and the Patristian Fathers for you guys, and getting you

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<v Speaker 1>guys copies of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Who who translating the Church Fathers for your guys? What

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about, you dummy. The Greeks already had the

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<v Speaker 2>translation for a centuries. The Orthodox already had the Church

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<v Speaker 2>Fathers translated natively into Greek, you dummy. Oh But because

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<v Speaker 2>an Anglican translated the Philip shaft set, this guy is

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<v Speaker 2>a red.

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<v Speaker 1>House could do this, then the orthopros Uh huh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is this is this is how they view this.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the weirdest like flex ever because Philip Schaff

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<v Speaker 2>translated the Church father set as if there weren't Rummy

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<v Speaker 2>Calloch translations already of the Church Fathers before Philip Chef.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making this thing joy the work because it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the vast majority of these Eastern Orthodox cities or

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<v Speaker 1>regions are becoming more incumenical, whichhich I think isa because

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<v Speaker 1>I think these stupid personally think these stupid things to find.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a stupid argument anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be like saying, well, many Western countries are becoming

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<v Speaker 2>more gay, so I guess gay's good and it's winning great.

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<v Speaker 1>I do hey real quick, Whether you a Protestant, Orthodox, Catholic,

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01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:35.880
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you're not even sure what you are, here

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<v Speaker 1>is something that every follower of Jesus can knock arms on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, what's he trying to sell? Now, let's see

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<v Speaker 2>what his sales pitch is. I hope it's something good?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Consulting with Rousselan's pastor, which costs one thousand dollars an

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<v Speaker 2>hour for the full package on how to plan a church?

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, Rachel had a great idea. I

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<v Speaker 2>bet you if you were a woman and you paid

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand dollars to Rousselan's pastor on how to church plant,

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01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.760
<v Speaker 2>he would tell you how as a woman to be

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<v Speaker 2>a preacher and church plant.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody needs to test.

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01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.079
<v Speaker 2>That out to see if they will. So you know

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<v Speaker 2>that Rouselan's pastor charges like one thousand dollars for the

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<v Speaker 2>full package to consult on how to church plant. And

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel had a good idea that a woman should call

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<v Speaker 2>and pay that money to see if they will teach

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<v Speaker 2>a woman how to preach and teach at a church plant,

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<v Speaker 2>because I bet you for one thousand dollars they will.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be amazing, it would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be In fact, I may have to start. I may

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<v Speaker 2>start offering these people money to debate, because number one,

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<v Speaker 2>then it will show that they're grifters, because they actually

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01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:39.360
<v Speaker 2>will debate. If I offer them like two or three

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01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.639
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to do a debate, like, will that make

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01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:44.840
<v Speaker 2>them actually do the debate? And then if they will

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01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.639
<v Speaker 2>do the debate, it'll show that they're grifters. And then

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01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.079
<v Speaker 2>they'll also they'll lose. Right, So I'm gonna I can

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01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:52.840
<v Speaker 2>tempt them with their advice the nature to pile on

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01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.719
<v Speaker 2>and to just here's rouselan. He's going to respond to

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01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.400
<v Speaker 2>being called a grifter because he's been called a grifter before.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's see, it was spons of.

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<v Speaker 1>This harassed people online has led me to actually learn

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01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:04.719
<v Speaker 1>something from harass.

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01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 2>All right now, he claims he's being harassed because people

1350
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 2>are calling him a grifter. You're not being harassed, dummy.

1351
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Dire a valuable lesson, which is how to use that

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01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.400
<v Speaker 1>block butt no X, It's become one of my favorite pastimes.

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01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 1>This is just a block.

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<v Speaker 2>He learned that from me. This is one truth statement here.

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01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.039
<v Speaker 1>He learned to block people from me orthopros on X

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<v Speaker 1>because the utter brainbot that came out, and one of

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01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:25.760
<v Speaker 1>things that came out on X was we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before prior to twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>when I started making primarily Christian content, I discovered my

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<v Speaker 1>winger in like twenty nineteen. I was making marketing videos

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01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 1>for Christians who are trying to become full time with

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01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:37.639
<v Speaker 1>their art or with their businesses or fill in the blank, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of these clips of me have been

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<v Speaker 1>clipped out of context when I'm speaking to marketing gurus

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01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 1>like brand Man Sean on trying to tell Christians learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to build an audience, monetize an audience, convert.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, you don't. You misunderstood. We always said that

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01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 2>it was always your scheme to create business. Church dummy,

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<v Speaker 2>let's play this. This is it right here.

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<v Speaker 5>I got two hundred thousand, bro, I got the following,

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<v Speaker 5>I got twenty eight thousand, I got two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 5>on taktok hundred thoand how do I monetize these people?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? How do I monetize these people?

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<v Speaker 4>And through covetousness shall they with?

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<v Speaker 1>No? What is you got to figure out what what

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01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.360
<v Speaker 1>is your product going to be? What can you sell people?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the actual question, right. So we can push the

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01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:22.760
<v Speaker 1>foot around and we can say, oh, like I want

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01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.440
<v Speaker 1>to have a ministry and I want to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to do that, right, But what we're

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01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.760
<v Speaker 1>really asking is like, how do I build a business?

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds to me like you That sounds to me

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01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:36.280
<v Speaker 2>so explicit. Yeah, Rouslin, I don't think you're telling the

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01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.519
<v Speaker 2>truth here because that sounds like you're actually saying business

1385
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 2>church bro.

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01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:42.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he actually said the distinction.

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01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.559
<v Speaker 8>The real question he didn't say, the real question is

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01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.840
<v Speaker 8>how do we keep our ministry alive and get people

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01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:51.599
<v Speaker 8>to salvation though they don't have access to that?

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<v Speaker 4>Really, so he said it explicitly. He's pretending, no, no, no,

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01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm just helping Christians build their business for the home,

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01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:01.280
<v Speaker 4>for the for their so they can pay for the

1393
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:05.079
<v Speaker 4>plant their church, you know, coaching session. It's like he's

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01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:06.880
<v Speaker 4>not trying to be pious about it.

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01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and here here's his pastor again with two thousand

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01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:17.639
<v Speaker 2>dollars a month consult consultation calls on how to start

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01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:20.000
<v Speaker 2>a church and how the church plant. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Don Lapriz's marketing scheme. Dummy. All rouseland did was

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01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.039
<v Speaker 2>take the marketing scheme and apply it to the church.

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<v Speaker 2>The church that they set up, that they do is

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01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:33.199
<v Speaker 2>a marketing scheme, a La Ruselan's Peter Drucker style marketing.

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01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the point, dummy.

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<v Speaker 1>And you admitted it right here when you said this

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01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.840
<v Speaker 1>money and you got to figure out what what is

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01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:44.880
<v Speaker 1>your product gonna be? What can you sell people? That's

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01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.800
<v Speaker 1>the actual question, right. So we can push you foot

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01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:49.480
<v Speaker 1>around and we can say, oh, like I want to

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01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:51.320
<v Speaker 1>have a ministry and I want to do this and

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01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to do that, right, But what we're really

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01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:57.719
<v Speaker 1>asking is like, how do I build a business. I

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01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:00.719
<v Speaker 1>don't really care about how many fill I have. I

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01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.000
<v Speaker 1>need those metrics to an extent for the for the

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01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.159
<v Speaker 1>credibility of them, but I'm more thinking what is my

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01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 1>bank account going to look like?

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01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:11.239
<v Speaker 2>This is a marketing sameless he's so shameless. This is

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01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.599
<v Speaker 2>a marketing who decided I'll take all of this and

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01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:18.199
<v Speaker 2>do business. Church and now here's his defense.

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01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 1>People so they can make a living and sustain themselves. Okay,

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01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:21.680
<v Speaker 1>now this is this is all these videos a back up.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of these has been clip is me talking

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01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to Brandman Shaw, who's market guy actual talk about Bram

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01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Sean on book I the Ambition. You should go get that.

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01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:27.079
<v Speaker 1>It's a great book.

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01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:29.199
<v Speaker 2>You we talking about it even promotes the book in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of.

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<v Speaker 1>This Sean And I'm sitting here talking to conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>If I remember correctly, the duty's talking to go a

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01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:37.680
<v Speaker 8>little bit weirded out and pushed back a little bit

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01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:38.680
<v Speaker 8>and was like, eh.

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01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:40.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we remember watching that.

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<v Speaker 2>We played that clip.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we played that clip on the other Streen the

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01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:45.520
<v Speaker 3>one he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>A community of Christian rappers were doing good music, but

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01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:49.039
<v Speaker 1>they don't know how to build out. He says, have

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01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 1>a clip where I say, Hey, I got this many followers.

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01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:52.079
<v Speaker 1>How I monetize these people's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you were a Christian rapper and it didn't

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01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:00.399
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere, and then you turned that into business church.

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01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:02.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what we're saying. We're saying that you didn't make

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01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.079
<v Speaker 2>it as a rapper because you saw it and then

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01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.319
<v Speaker 2>you just decided to become business church rap man clip

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01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:08.720
<v Speaker 2>as if.

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01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about monetizing people, not a Christian artist who

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01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 1>selling Chrisian music, But how do I monesize these people

1447
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:13.680
<v Speaker 1>that I'm selling the gospel to?

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01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Now?

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01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I think, how do I monetize these people selling the

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01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:17.920
<v Speaker 2>gospel to?

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01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Selling the gospel?

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01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Let's hear that again, Let's hear that again. Let me

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01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:22.840
<v Speaker 2>let me it's going too fast.

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01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Let me go back to normal speed, and then I

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01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:27.359
<v Speaker 3>might go to slow slow motion too music?

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01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.880
<v Speaker 1>But how do I monetize these people that I'm selling

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01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the gospel to? Now?

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01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:36.399
<v Speaker 3>I think if you are, oh, bruise runs again, can't help.

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01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:39.359
<v Speaker 3>Let's build the beans. And this is how all fraudsters are.

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01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:41.520
<v Speaker 3>They can't help at times, but to say what's really

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01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:43.920
<v Speaker 3>going on, Let's do it in slow mo.

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01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:45.840
<v Speaker 2>This is going to be fun.

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01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Have a clip where I say, hey, I got this

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01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:53.600
<v Speaker 1>many followers. How do I monetize these people? That's been

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01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:58.359
<v Speaker 1>clipped as if I'm talking about monetizing these people. Not

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01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a Christian artists who's selling Christian music, But how do

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01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I monetize these people that I'm selling the gospel to? Now?

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01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I think if you are confused on what we do here.

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01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:16.079
<v Speaker 1>We don't sell the gospel. The gospel is free, is

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01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.560
<v Speaker 1>available everyone everywhere you can walk into one.

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01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:22.840
<v Speaker 4>Is he was doing. He's always doing little band aid work,

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01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:23.239
<v Speaker 4>isn't he?

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01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:29.760
<v Speaker 2>So from a metrics standpoint, if what really mattered was

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01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:34.720
<v Speaker 2>the gospel, wouldn't you care about the following over the money?

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01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:37.960
<v Speaker 2>So you saw what he just said right there, he said,

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01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:40.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't actually care about the following numbers. Well, well,

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01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:41.960
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute. If it was about getting the free

1478
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:46.600
<v Speaker 2>gospel out, wouldn't that be more important than the monetary metrics?

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01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Almost any church in America get a free copy. But

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01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.920
<v Speaker 1>we've been making videos and merchandise and all this sort

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01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:54.319
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And I've been doing this as a public Christian.

1482
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:57.960
<v Speaker 1>So this clip gets weaponized against me. Every six months

1483
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:01.159
<v Speaker 1>this comes up. It's utterly bad faith. There's also all

1484
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:03.800
<v Speaker 1>sorts of other accusations, tax on my church, so on

1485
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and so forth. So soone posted this clip and I reply.

1486
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.479
<v Speaker 2>He just noticed he handwaves quote attacks on his church.

1487
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.600
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about stupid ass rap church that charges two

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01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:16.399
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to consult with your pastor. Notice how he

1489
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.680
<v Speaker 2>just handwaived that right a tax on my church. This

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01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.279
<v Speaker 2>dummy says it in the clip, he gives it away,

1491
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and now he's got a backpedal with.

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01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:32.479
<v Speaker 1>One of the screenshots of seemingly orthodox churches charging for

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01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the sacrament of baptism, simply pointing out, Hey, if you're

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01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:39.840
<v Speaker 1>going to attack me for helping Christian.

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01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but Ruslin, this has been addressed and you know

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01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't charging for the sacrament of baptism. You've

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01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:47.960
<v Speaker 2>been correcting on this multiple times, so now he's just

1498
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.439
<v Speaker 2>straight a line, right because he keeps pushing this. But

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01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 2>would you, Rossel, would you care to correct us on

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01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Pastor Jeff Moore's deep dive consulting for two thousand dollars

1501
01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:02.600
<v Speaker 2>a month on how to church plant church more like,

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01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:06.880
<v Speaker 2>y'all's a bunch of church plants for reals, dog.

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01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Seven years ago, six years ago, figure out how to

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01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:11.479
<v Speaker 1>monetize their audiences.

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01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.520
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the fact that you were working

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01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:19.560
<v Speaker 2>with Christian rappers seven years ago is actually worse for you, dummy,

1507
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.119
<v Speaker 2>because you were trying to tell them how to get

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01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:26.920
<v Speaker 2>paid with religion seven years ago. That's basically admitting, Yo,

1509
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:29.079
<v Speaker 2>I've been in this griff game for almost a decade.

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01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Son, He's admitting it again.

1511
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.279
<v Speaker 1>And not see the plank in your own eye of

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01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:40.319
<v Speaker 1>you guys seemingly charging for the sacrament of backs.

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01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:43.399
<v Speaker 2>So he knows he's been corrected. He knows he's been corrected.

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01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.920
<v Speaker 2>He knows he's been corrected on this. But the way

1515
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to keep using this fake, fake bunch of moralizing is

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01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:55.479
<v Speaker 2>to say seemingly exactly, oh man, like that, that's like,

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01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:58.840
<v Speaker 2>that's why you say allegedly in media so you don't

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01:12:58.840 --> 01:12:59.359
<v Speaker 2>get sued.

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01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Right as are beyond cooked. Right now, Do I think

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01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:05.680
<v Speaker 1>every Orthodox church is charging for baptisms?

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01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:05.960
<v Speaker 4>No?

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01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Do think? Do I think this is a normative process

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01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:10.520
<v Speaker 1>in their church? No?

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01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Ruslan the difference also here, let's say, for the sake

1525
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of argument, that there was an Orthodox church that was

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01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.800
<v Speaker 2>actually charging for the sacram of baptism. The irony is

1527
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:22.560
<v Speaker 2>that what your dumb church does is ten times worse.

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01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean Protestantism as a quote church. It's not

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01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:27.960
<v Speaker 2>a church, your rap church. It's ten times.

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01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:29.199
<v Speaker 3>Worse, dummy. That's the accusation.

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01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.760
<v Speaker 1>But the point is, Hey, we're helping Christians figure out

1532
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.319
<v Speaker 1>a way to make a living for themselves, figure out

1533
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:37.479
<v Speaker 1>a way to provide for their families. Who are artists?

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01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Six years ago, I don't talk about stuff as much anymore,

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01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:40.159
<v Speaker 1>and I may.

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01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it's embarrassing. That's why you don't talk about it.

1537
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's see it. Because you weren't. Yeah, because you didn't,

1538
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:49.199
<v Speaker 2>you were not actually a successful quote Christian marketing guru.

1539
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:51.760
<v Speaker 2>You realize if I really want to get paid, I

1540
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:54.399
<v Speaker 2>got to store a church online. Well, this is what

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01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:55.159
<v Speaker 2>you said again.

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01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I like shoes and I like money, and you gotta

1543
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 1>figure out what is your product gonna be? What can

1544
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:06.079
<v Speaker 1>you sell people? That's the actual question.

1545
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1546
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:08.800
<v Speaker 1>So we can push he foot around and we can say, oh,

1547
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:10.840
<v Speaker 1>like I want to have a ministry and I want

1548
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:12.159
<v Speaker 1>to do this, and I want to do that, right,

1549
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:14.359
<v Speaker 1>But what we're really asking is like, how.

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01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Do I build a business? So he's defending trying to

1551
01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:26.640
<v Speaker 2>monetize dumb Christian rappers. He uses the same strategy when

1552
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.560
<v Speaker 2>he went into business church, and now he's got to

1553
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:31.439
<v Speaker 2>try to make sense of all that. He's got to

1554
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.359
<v Speaker 2>try to spend the narrative like ceeingn or something to say, Look,

1555
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I was just trying to help people get back. I

1556
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:39.439
<v Speaker 2>was trying to feed the kids. Bro, you do it

1557
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.600
<v Speaker 2>so you want kids to go hungry. You want kids

1558
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:43.840
<v Speaker 2>to go hungry in the hood.

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01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Some comments that I've apologized for, particularly the F you comment,

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01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I'm clearly in a different studio.

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01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I looked, Oh, well, you got a different studio now, right,

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01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:54.439
<v Speaker 2>so it don't count. Listen if I got a different studio,

1563
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:56.760
<v Speaker 2>so when I go back to Florida, if I'm in

1564
01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.960
<v Speaker 2>my Florida room doing a live stream, everything else, say

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01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.319
<v Speaker 2>that prior doesn't count. According to rus Line, I'm in

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01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.359
<v Speaker 2>a different studio now, I don't count exactly control.

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01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Z Dog, particularly the F you comment, you know, and

1568
01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:09.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm clearly in a different studio.

1569
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:11.319
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know Rusean said a four letter word.

1570
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Look at this, Look at this dumb hypocrite, he said,

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01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:13.880
<v Speaker 2>F you.

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01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:16.119
<v Speaker 3>And now all the Ortho bros.

1573
01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Is bad. And by the way, he's in a different studio.

1574
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:20.000
<v Speaker 2>If you say a cuss word, just get go to

1575
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.079
<v Speaker 2>you gotta get a different studio to make up for it.

1576
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:26.279
<v Speaker 1>They're families who are artists. Six years ago, I don't

1577
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:27.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about this stuff as much anymore. And I made

1578
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:31.000
<v Speaker 1>some comments that I've apologized for, particularly the F you comment,

1579
01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, And I'm clearly in a different studio. I

1580
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.760
<v Speaker 1>look totally different. I'm wearing a beanie, wearing enough.

1581
01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:40.760
<v Speaker 4>What is this, dude, dude? What?

1582
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

1583
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Clearly so this that was a different sim this read

1584
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:47.399
<v Speaker 2>that's talking about.

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01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Yo.

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01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I had different downloadable content skins on back then. Dog,

1587
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm different, bro. I got a different costume, man.

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01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:57.800
<v Speaker 4>Dude, I like Jordan's like they were good. Don't get

1589
01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:59.880
<v Speaker 4>me wrong, they were, but they're different ones. I got

1590
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:04.000
<v Speaker 4>like new ones from like you know, dude, total back then.

1591
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:05.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't even wear that style anymore.

1592
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yo.

1593
01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.439
<v Speaker 2>Back then, I had an orange beanie. I was wearing

1594
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Georgs Michael Jordan's. I got a different dripped down dog.

1595
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm a different person.

1596
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:17.439
<v Speaker 1>This is the dog.

1597
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:19.720
<v Speaker 4>I didn't this arm sleeve yet.

1598
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have this green tattoo right here, A slimer.

1599
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I got a slimmer tattoo on my right arm. Do

1600
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.159
<v Speaker 2>we see that slimmer right there? I'm a different person, bro.

1601
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.880
<v Speaker 1>The peak of leftist brain rot of trying to take

1602
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.600
<v Speaker 1>when when leftists would take stuff from uh people's Twitter accounts.

1603
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Dude, leftist brain rot. He thinks what we're doing is

1604
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:43.319
<v Speaker 2>leftist brainwrot. You all have mastered the SPLC leftist technique

1605
01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of immediately saying the Ortho bros Are a dangerous cult.

1606
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:49.880
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna end darkly. There's a dark cloud above the

1607
01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:52.600
<v Speaker 2>or FO Bros. And it's gonna end bad all this

1608
01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:56.239
<v Speaker 2>stupid leftist bullshit talking point. But we're the leftist tactics.

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01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, ten years ago something stupid they said when

1610
01:16:58.760 --> 01:16:59.680
<v Speaker 1>they were younger.

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01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:02.560
<v Speaker 2>And then this ain't ten years ago, dummy, This is

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01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:03.680
<v Speaker 2>like twenty twenty.

1613
01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Era, repurposing it and literally canceling people to that. They

1614
01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:07.840
<v Speaker 1>tried to do this to Kevin Hart. This is what

1615
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:08.600
<v Speaker 1>they tried to do to me.

1616
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.840
<v Speaker 8>And look he's admitting it's bad, Like you gotta choose, dude.

1617
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.640
<v Speaker 8>You could just say, look, that sounded really bad. You know,

1618
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:18.720
<v Speaker 8>I was after money, I was after something else. I

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01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.600
<v Speaker 8>could see how that's not a good look. It sounded wrong.

1620
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:24.279
<v Speaker 8>I wasn't motivated by the right things. Then, no, he

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01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:25.520
<v Speaker 8>doesn't say that, he defends it.

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01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:28.720
<v Speaker 4>But then he's saying all the bringing up stuff that's old,

1623
01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:31.199
<v Speaker 4>well does it make you look bad or not? Like

1624
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:32.279
<v Speaker 4>which is it?

1625
01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Bro?

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01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's not that old. By the way. In COVID,

1627
01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:40.880
<v Speaker 2>he was defending pro trans pro skittles. Andrew Yang was

1628
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:43.359
<v Speaker 2>all he was part of Yanggang, So that's not that

1629
01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:45.760
<v Speaker 2>long ago. I'm in a new studio. Dog, I got

1630
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:47.920
<v Speaker 2>a different haird I got a broccoli offro Now, Dog,

1631
01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm straight up, I'm reformed.

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01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Held Why because they again grossmyscalculation. If I'm a grifter

1633
01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and Avery's a grifter, and David Wood's a grifter and

1634
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Ip's a grifter, then that word loses meaning.

1635
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Only if they are not in fact grifters. But if

1636
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:05.840
<v Speaker 2>they are in fact grifters, it doesn't work.

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01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:09.479
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't lose meaning, it doesn't mean anything, because I

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01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:11.920
<v Speaker 1>think the audience is sophisticated and smart enough to say, hey,

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01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:12.439
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute.

1640
01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:15.279
<v Speaker 2>He thinks he knows his audiences, and that's why he's

1641
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:17.479
<v Speaker 2>pandering to every emotional appeal.

1642
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Roussel's not selling us the gospel. Rousseloan is reacting to commentary.

1643
01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:25.800
<v Speaker 1>He's having conversations with different people. He's putting on live events.

1644
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:27.239
<v Speaker 1>He's selling quality.

1645
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Merch uh Ruselwan. Rouselan charges one thousand dollars or more

1646
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.319
<v Speaker 2>around that to meet him in person, but he ain't

1647
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:37.159
<v Speaker 2>selling the gospel. Bro by the way, get tickets to

1648
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:37.680
<v Speaker 2>his live O.

1649
01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Man do books predals. It's not the same as monetizing

1650
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a gospel.

1651
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Wait, but how is it not? When you were telling

1652
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:47.720
<v Speaker 2>the Christian rappers how to monetize the gospel right here?

1653
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.760
<v Speaker 1>So within all of that grossmut calculation and what they've

1654
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:53.880
<v Speaker 1>done is now Wood is ready to debate the one

1655
01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:56.800
<v Speaker 1>True Church acount where he's getting. He's prepping to what they.

1656
01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Do, the grossmith calculation because David would who just learned

1657
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:02.239
<v Speaker 2>this the other day, is going to debate it. I mean,

1658
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:04.840
<v Speaker 2>does he think that we are afraid of debating David

1659
01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Wood when David Wood just learned these things from Tony Costa.

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01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Who's done is they've divided themselves amongst themselves and now

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01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:15.199
<v Speaker 1>people are pointing out, wait a minute, you're throwing stones

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01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.680
<v Speaker 1>from a glass house. Okay, Now you have guys like

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01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>JP and Molar and the Christian King out that are

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01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:22.760
<v Speaker 1>doing calling streams.

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01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Dude, is that really like what?

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01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:28.840
<v Speaker 8>They are going down to the bottom of the bottom,

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01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:29.319
<v Speaker 8>aren't they?

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01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the dumbest, lowest tier on the internet is who

1669
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.840
<v Speaker 2>he's got to prop up because they don't have anybody else,

1670
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and so they're going to prop up the lowest tier retail.

1671
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:41.840
<v Speaker 2>And they think This is going to end well for them.

1672
01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:44.640
<v Speaker 1>That are saying, hey, like, let's go out of this debate.

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01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:47.880
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, no, no, no, nobody's going to

1674
01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:50.399
<v Speaker 2>call into those streams. If there's going to be a

1675
01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:54.000
<v Speaker 2>formal debate, it will be on MDD and Alex Sorn

1676
01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:58.199
<v Speaker 2>will debate JP or Maler or whatever those reads. And

1677
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.159
<v Speaker 2>I guarante I'm gonna bet money that that won't never

1678
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.000
<v Speaker 2>even happened. None of these duds is going to do

1679
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:03.279
<v Speaker 2>a formal debate. They're reads.

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01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:04.760
<v Speaker 3>They don't know how to they don't know what the

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01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:10.199
<v Speaker 3>word colloquial meansy colloquial, colloquialism, bro, they don't know what

1682
01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:14.600
<v Speaker 3>the pill filo que philooqua is you okay?

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01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I think this is this. This sucks from one standpoint

1684
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:21.279
<v Speaker 1>because from my vantage point, there's a difference when people

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01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:24.640
<v Speaker 1>have permissible practices like say you want to venerate icons

1686
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:28.279
<v Speaker 1>and then saying those permissible practices are dogmatic.

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01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:30.720
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, we don't care what you think should and

1688
01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:32.880
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be dogma. Nobody cares.

1689
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:36.600
<v Speaker 2>We don't care you what you think is best and

1690
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:41.000
<v Speaker 2>should be audiofra Nobody over here thinking cares.

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01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:41.199
<v Speaker 4>What you think.

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01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Everyone missubmit to your practices, and by dogmatic, these things

1693
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:45.199
<v Speaker 1>are not negotiable.

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01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:47.640
<v Speaker 2>By the way, you're being dogmatic that everybody has to

1695
01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:50.640
<v Speaker 2>not submit to that being dogmatic, you idiot. You're being

1696
01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:53.119
<v Speaker 2>dogmatic about your non dogmatism. Idiot.

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01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, they're not negotiable, So can you let bygones be

1698
01:20:55.319 --> 01:20:59.319
<v Speaker 1>byg on shore? But if everything is an attack of dumb, sloppy,

1699
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:02.399
<v Speaker 1>bad arguments against Protestants, and that's how you're monetizing your audience,

1700
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:04.479
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is sitting around in debating normy Protestants. Okay,

1701
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:07.199
<v Speaker 1>it's all.

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01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Through his marketing. Yeah. His first thought was the model?

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01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:14.159
<v Speaker 2>What model is die are you using? Oh it's only

1704
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:17.840
<v Speaker 2>to debate low tier idiots. Uh No, I've debated all

1705
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.399
<v Speaker 2>the top Muslims. I've debated the top atheists. I've debated

1706
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:24.199
<v Speaker 2>the top Rouman Catholics multiple times over. So it's a

1707
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:27.119
<v Speaker 2>lie to act like all I do is debate load

1708
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.680
<v Speaker 2>tier people. It's a call in show where anybody can

1709
01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:32.399
<v Speaker 2>call in a debate. And now he's acting like we

1710
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:34.640
<v Speaker 2>got you due because we got my little army a

1711
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:36.720
<v Speaker 2>little is going to do the same thing. Yeah, so

1712
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:38.880
<v Speaker 2>what nobody's gonna call in because it ain't funny and

1713
01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:39.680
<v Speaker 2>it ain't entertaining.

1714
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>And then people say, yeah, well we're going to do

1715
01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:42.039
<v Speaker 1>that to you. We're gonna match that energy.

1716
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:45.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're gonna match the marketing strategy according to him.

1717
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, how many views are they getting? Right? All

1718
01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:49.960
<v Speaker 2>they gotta All they do is through about me every

1719
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:50.439
<v Speaker 2>day to.

1720
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Get interviews that are younger than I am, Guys that

1721
01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:54.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe you don't have as many responsibliti as

1722
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I do. And they're creating this.

1723
01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Guys that have no responsibilities, sitting in a damn in

1724
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.039
<v Speaker 2>gass apartment like JP and cut with sitting in the

1725
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:04.960
<v Speaker 2>sitting in the corner because he got time out with

1726
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:06.119
<v Speaker 2>his blank ass apartment.

1727
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Entire new community of Protestant apologists.

1728
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.359
<v Speaker 11>Okay, a new community, dude, this is the biggest This

1729
01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:14.560
<v Speaker 11>is the biggest red on the planet. This is what

1730
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:16.880
<v Speaker 11>he's got to prop up is these read this is

1731
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:21.640
<v Speaker 11>awesome because yeah, yes, please let those guys be your representative.

1732
01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Apologies, this is gonna be awesome.

1733
01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Essentially, David would be one of the gross miscalculation and

1734
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:26.680
<v Speaker 1>this is all happening on the back.

1735
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Dude, David Wood is not going to formally debate anybody

1736
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:31.760
<v Speaker 2>on this topic. I guarantee you he won't, and if

1737
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:33.760
<v Speaker 2>he does, it won't be anybody in our sphere. It

1738
01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:36.560
<v Speaker 2>won't be me. It won't be Jim bob Ra, Alex Soren. Uh,

1739
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:40.840
<v Speaker 2>he'll find I don't know, some weak person, or he'll

1740
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:43.000
<v Speaker 2>probably debate a catech human. And then you know that's

1741
01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.159
<v Speaker 2>because that's your strategy, right, that's the Ruslan marketing strategy.

1742
01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:48.439
<v Speaker 2>This genius over here, Yoda, What do we put a

1743
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:52.479
<v Speaker 2>catechumen up against two apologists dividing quonker.

1744
01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Drop of god logic being catapulted into mass success because

1745
01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of this will have any job stuation them calling him

1746
01:22:57.560 --> 01:22:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a grifter and then doing a U turn and saying

1747
01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:01.039
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna support God logics.

1748
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but Rouselan is too stupid to understand that both

1749
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of those things could be true. I could criticize him

1750
01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:11.439
<v Speaker 2>on the basis of him being inconsistent with sending people

1751
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:16.560
<v Speaker 2>to messianic judaizing heretical synagogues, but also support the idea

1752
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:19.960
<v Speaker 2>that he shouldn't be sued for putting up a live stream.

1753
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:23.039
<v Speaker 2>In Rouslan's stupid mind, those things are mutually exclusive, when

1754
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:23.640
<v Speaker 2>obviously they're not.

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01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Go fund me, okay, otther miscalculations. I really don't think

1756
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:28.239
<v Speaker 1>these guys are very smart sophisticated.

1757
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Think really, are you sure about that? I mean, we're

1758
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>over here having NonStop laughs at you, you dumblier. We're

1759
01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:38.960
<v Speaker 2>literally every day. Does Rouselan not realize you want to

1760
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.920
<v Speaker 2>talk about money? Rouselan every stream I've done about you.

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01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I've made one to one five hundred dollars in superjats

1762
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:47.600
<v Speaker 2>per stream, so I don't know what you're talking about.

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01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:50.159
<v Speaker 2>You want to talk about money and marketing strategies. These

1764
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:54.199
<v Speaker 2>people are not that smart. Also, if we're not that smart,

1765
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:57.560
<v Speaker 2>we're stupid. Why can't one of you just do a

1766
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:01.079
<v Speaker 2>public formal debate with me and in me where I'm stupid.

1767
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.039
<v Speaker 2>It should be easy if I'm stupid to do a

1768
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:06.520
<v Speaker 2>formal debate, send your boy. Gave in root line over here,

1769
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean gave it, Gavin Rusalin, Gavin Orland gave in,

1770
01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:11.239
<v Speaker 2>gave in root line.

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01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:14.039
<v Speaker 1>They're smart, but it's just a total failure on their part.

1772
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>While dealing with at the very issue, at the very

1773
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>least optics issues regarding charging for the sacrament of baptism

1774
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and calling guys like God logic and David.

1775
01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:24.319
<v Speaker 3>Again lying again, nobody re charged for the sacrament baptism.

1776
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>It keeps the lying.

1777
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>But in ip Grifters this is this couldn't be more poetic.

1778
01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, if you're going to consistently hurl fo

1779
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:33.880
<v Speaker 1>false and slanderous accusations against myself and friends of mine,

1780
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:35.760
<v Speaker 1>guess what there's could be the people that are gonna say, okay,

1781
01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:37.520
<v Speaker 1>well two could play that game right now? Is that

1782
01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:38.560
<v Speaker 1>done a good faith? Is it not? Then go off it.

1783
01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what people's motives and intentions are, and

1784
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:41.199
<v Speaker 1>I think there are a lot of good eastan Orthodocs

1785
01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:42.640
<v Speaker 1>folks behind the scenes that a're trying to figure this out.

1786
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>And in all of this, I think this is where

1787
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:45.800
<v Speaker 1>the question comes down to, which I think is really

1788
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:49.199
<v Speaker 1>a question of faith. Can you have dogmatic views meaning

1789
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:51.279
<v Speaker 1>dogmas are not up for negotiation, They're not for negotiation.

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01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:53.159
<v Speaker 1>You don't get to pick and choose dogmas. Okay, can

1791
01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you have dogatavius because in the Storthtock's here.

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01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:56.479
<v Speaker 2>Notice what he said there, you don't get to pick

1793
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:57.319
<v Speaker 2>and choose dogmas.

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01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, means of dogma If some of those dogmatic views

1795
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:02.920
<v Speaker 1>are not in the primary sources, okay, and that's where

1796
01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:04.199
<v Speaker 1>these debates are about to start going. By the way,

1797
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:06.039
<v Speaker 1>so all this attacking of Sola scripture, all this attacking

1798
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>of Protestants, the question becomes, can you have used like

1799
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the intercession of the Saints, which is a does a dogma?

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01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Can you have used like the veneration of icons which

1801
01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>is a dogma that when you look at the anti

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01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>nic and fathers.

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01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the yeah, you dummy, they're in the primary sources, sources,

1804
01:25:19.359 --> 01:25:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna get destroyed when you actually debate these topics.

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01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Do you understand that we've already been through the stuff

1806
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:29.319
<v Speaker 2>you're bringing up ten twenty years ago, people on our side.

1807
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.399
<v Speaker 2>Don't you think I already went through this as a

1808
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Protestant converting to Catholicism in two thousand and one. Two, Yeah,

1809
01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm already on to this twenty years ago. Don't you

1810
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>think I went and read the Apostolic fathers to see

1811
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>if they actually support this information. By the way, it's

1812
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>not just that it's the Bible. The Bible is icono

1813
01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:47.479
<v Speaker 2>dule dummy.

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01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Fathers that were writing before the Council, I see it.

1815
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Can you look at the scriptures and not see these

1816
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>dogmas in there, and then make these dogmas that you

1817
01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:55.319
<v Speaker 1>must hold overall Christians everywhere. And if we don't agree

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01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:56.039
<v Speaker 1>with these dogmas.

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01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>And we're the ones, well that just presupposed the Soul

1820
01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>scripture a dummy. So what you think is in the

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01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:05.199
<v Speaker 2>primary sources in the scriptures presupposed is that the scriptures

1822
01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Speaker 2>alone are the primary primary sources. And you haven't proven

1823
01:26:07.720 --> 01:26:08.479
<v Speaker 2>that that.

1824
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Are lukewarm or turn junivarsity Questians, and we don't have

1825
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the phones of the trip. And I would say a

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01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>reasonab person if we're looking at the primary source, is

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01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you're claiming a dogma those cones on a primary sources.

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01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:17.279
<v Speaker 1>We'll evaluate that and say, yeah, that it is.

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01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:20.560
<v Speaker 2>You haven't demonstrated that the Bible alone is the source,

1830
01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and you've not demonstrated that they're not in the primary sources,

1831
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:24.760
<v Speaker 2>because we always argue that they are.

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01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.039
<v Speaker 1>See adapt Now again for my vantage point, I think

1833
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>there could be permissible actions, and I think that they

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01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>may have even been some Christians prior to the anti

1835
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:33.640
<v Speaker 1>niceemothers that had these practices, But that doesn't mean aformative

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01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:35.239
<v Speaker 1>practices for all Christians as dogmas.

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01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Which is so now he's going to admit backtrack and

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01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>say there might be some evidence of iconography in the

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01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:44.640
<v Speaker 2>pre Nicing era. Well, wait a minute, So then you're

1840
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>moving the goalposts about what counts as primary sources. So

1841
01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:52.760
<v Speaker 2>when you ask about primary sources, and that shifts between

1842
01:26:52.840 --> 01:26:56.159
<v Speaker 2>patriistic evidence to biblical evidence, and then you move the

1843
01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>goalposts to say, well, there might be some church.

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01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Fathers in the pre nicing era that believing the images.

1845
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:02.359
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean it's normative.

1846
01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you just move the goalpost doctrinal development? There was

1847
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>development of doctor, by the way, you.

1848
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Have no basis to say anything theologically is normative. You're

1849
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:10.760
<v Speaker 2>in rap church.

1850
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Just the seeds of them were there, but they developed.

1851
01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Whereas the orthodox claim that we are the one true

1852
01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>unchanging church. Now, how could you be the one true

1853
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.199
<v Speaker 1>unchanging church if your dogmas aren't found in the primary sources?

1854
01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they are. That's because primary sources is' Bible alone,

1855
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're in the Bible.

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01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:26.840
<v Speaker 1>To you, by the way, that is what's going to

1857
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>be discussed. And when you hear these arguments for when

1858
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you hear the arguments for intercession of the saints, when

1859
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you hear the arguments for icon veneration, when you hear

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01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:35.199
<v Speaker 1>the arguments for you must confess your sins to a priest, okay,

1861
01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:37.159
<v Speaker 1>or confess your sins to God in a presence of a.

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01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I thought you demand that I repent and confess

1863
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>my sins to you. So you do believe in you

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01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:45.439
<v Speaker 2>believe you do believe in oral confession of sins.

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<v Speaker 1>Rouslan a priest's of them laws? Right? I think they're lacking.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because bless God is actually in Ruslan's mind.

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01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:55.239
<v Speaker 2>When you give money to Rousselan, that's that's how you

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01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>bless God. Because in Ruslan's mind, Ruslan is God. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually starting to think this dude actually has always

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<v Speaker 2>been an atheist, and I think probably what David would too.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot understand. There's absolutely no possibility in my mind

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<v Speaker 2>that you could be a Christian apologist for twenty years

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01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:14.039
<v Speaker 2>as a former atheist and not know whether you believe

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01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:18.199
<v Speaker 2>the Protestant evangelical basics. That's not possible.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, another part of it that they get really uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 8>with is what do you practice?

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<v Speaker 4>Because like, what do you believe?

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01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:26.000
<v Speaker 8>Has been the basis for like a lot of debates

1879
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.119
<v Speaker 8>and it's very useful, but when you get into well

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<v Speaker 8>what's your practice?

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01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:33.439
<v Speaker 4>Like they get very uncomfortable when you ask them, okay,

1882
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:36.279
<v Speaker 4>what is it for you to actually practice? And they

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01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:39.239
<v Speaker 4>ultimately they say, well, I just pray and in my

1884
01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:42.760
<v Speaker 4>and it's basically head church. It's like their head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The very thing they criticize Ortho bros. Of Oh

1886
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.239
<v Speaker 2>you live online, dude, your whole church is online. What

1887
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>That means is you come back to what I'm just

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01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>going to receive this stuff by faith, which is, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's by faith, then it's not this logical mathematical formula

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<v Speaker 1>where you have the better arguments. You don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh, notice again Rouselan hates logic because he can't logic.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't know what fallacies are. And that's why you

1894
01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:03.800
<v Speaker 3>put our debate behind a paywall.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not logic. It's what's in your horness faith, dog.

1896
01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Which is, if it's my faith, then it's not this

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01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>logical mathematical formula where you have the better arguments. You don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So when a minute, faith doesn't mean that I have

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01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the better arguments, But you want to do a debate

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01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>to see if the sources contain iconography and have that

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01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>the Bible has So what wouldn't that require logic? You dummy?

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01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:27.039
<v Speaker 2>It's is it a faith?

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<v Speaker 3>Off?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>How faith?

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01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>How do you faith? Off? Right?

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01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:29.720
<v Speaker 4>All?

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<v Speaker 2>It's performative? So actually he's correct. He's actually right because

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<v Speaker 2>in his perspective, it is a faith off which is

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01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>who's a better performer performatively. Uh, that's why he doesn't

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01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:41.359
<v Speaker 2>want to go to the logic and the argumentation. You

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<v Speaker 2>heard it right there, he said, I don't care about

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01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.479
<v Speaker 2>logic and argument. He says this all the time too.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now that doesn't prove he's the orthodoxy false. It

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01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>just shows that perhaps perhaps if you have multiple dogmas

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<v Speaker 1>that in the primary sources, those dogmas invalidate the claim

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<v Speaker 1>that you are the one true church.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're gonna get slammed and slain so hard on

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01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:01.840
<v Speaker 2>this topic. I hope you find somebody who will debate

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01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:03.560
<v Speaker 2>this topic, because you're you're gonna get a.

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01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:05.199
<v Speaker 4>Boy won't though, they just won't.

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01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.239
<v Speaker 2>All they do is talk big. It's all talked. Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that's sup permissib practice. But you can't see you

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01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the one chudge and you're unchanging. You're unchanging. Okay, they

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01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>gotta change with the word.

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<v Speaker 2>Unchanged, dude, you're unchanging, Like, like, first of all, we

1927
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:19.159
<v Speaker 2>take pride in being unchanging, so you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrate that being unchanging is actually a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Means for any of this to be coherent. Now they

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01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:25.119
<v Speaker 1>have a framework for this, but I think it falls

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<v Speaker 1>apart now in the midst of all this my Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you think it falls apart?

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<v Speaker 8>Cool?

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<v Speaker 2>What any you want to give us? Any argument? Like any?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Rouslan's videos are all just what Rusalm thinks. Like, I've

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01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>never even heard him cite a church father. I've never

1938
01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:43.359
<v Speaker 2>heard him give a theological argument. When we were on

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01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>his podcast, he pulled up on the screen two versus

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01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:50.119
<v Speaker 2>out of Galatians and something else, right like the obvious ones.

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<v Speaker 2>You would think, now this verse right here, Jay, it's

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01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>a salvation boy fate, no ball works. How you gonna

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01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.359
<v Speaker 2>prove that to me? When you seemly got a biblical

1944
01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:00.560
<v Speaker 2>stance And then we had a two hour debate, I'm like,

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01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>your whole argument was two Bible versus and when I

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<v Speaker 2>called out four logical fallacies, you say, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this guy's the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's other issues with the Rianto Orthodox claiming

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<v Speaker 1>to be the one True Church and the True Orthodox

1950
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>claiming to be the one True Church. And you got billionaire,

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01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>billionaire patriarchs who have said stuff like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you haven't proven that that's actually true. You just

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<v Speaker 2>citing New York Times articles Dunning by the way, lot,

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01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:26.159
<v Speaker 2>these people are so low tier that they actually think

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<v Speaker 2>that if there's multiple people claiming to be the one

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<v Speaker 2>True Church, that is somehow an argument against the one

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<v Speaker 2>True Church. This is so stupid. That'd be like, if

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<v Speaker 2>multiple people don't think tuplus two is four, then we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if tuplus two is four. That's how stupid

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<v Speaker 2>this is. That's why this guy doesn't want to have

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<v Speaker 2>a formal debate and constantly says, yeah, I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>about logics. What you want to logics?

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<v Speaker 1>Me, bro, All Muslims and Christians worship the same creator.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy sounds a lot like Vatican two, okay, And all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is being way way why Because I think

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<v Speaker 1>my prediction is this is only going to create more

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01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and more divisions within the Eastern Orthodox community because you're adding,

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<v Speaker 1>what does Vatican I have to do with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he's talking about because Kirol has made up or Barthol.

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<v Speaker 2>If Barthol and you makes an acumenical statement, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>does he not realize that the Russian patriarch it just

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01:32:10.119 --> 01:32:12.600
<v Speaker 2>put out a statement that Christians and Muslims don't worship

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<v Speaker 2>the same guy. I mean that was literally stated last week,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's acting like that didn't happen. But also, it

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01:32:21.199 --> 01:32:23.359
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter if there's a patriarch who's a heretic.

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<v Speaker 1>Dummy microscope a unnecessary scrutiny from constantly attacking Protestants. And

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01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>we were like, man, do you guys? Do you? But

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's crossed a threshold and it's only gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get worse. And I'm here. I'm here to watch and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy and eventually have some conversations signal boo some of

1981
01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:36.199
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. That doesn't mean that I think why Eastern

1982
01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Orthodox friends are not Christians.

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<v Speaker 3>But wait a minute, because you are saying that the

1984
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<v Speaker 3>only dogma that you can't be unfolding about or unbending about.

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<v Speaker 2>Is if you have an exclusive at church. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>y'all are saying on your streams. That's what God Logic

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<v Speaker 2>just said. So that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's not my physician, and that's not the normative

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<v Speaker 1>Protestant position. What that means is, hey, if you're.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no normative Protestant position, you idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be hyper critical.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't even know. I guarantee he doesn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>normative means. He thinks that just is the normal about

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks normative is normal like majority. That's not what

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<v Speaker 2>normative means.

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<v Speaker 1>You. If you're gonna have this hyper critical spirit about

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<v Speaker 1>everything and everyone, guess what, there's gonna be people that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are dude, nobody is having a hyper critical spirit about

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<v Speaker 2>everything and everyone. It's specifically the error of saying that

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter what church you go to.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very specific. And he keeps lying throughout this video.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna want to match that. There's gonna be people like

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<v Speaker 1>David Would that are gonna say, okay, coo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm happy for people to match it. We've been

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01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>asking forever for people to match it. And David Would

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<v Speaker 2>would not do a formal debate with me on the topic.

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<v Speaker 2>He already declined, none of your gay crew will do

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01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>a public formal debate with me on this topic. God

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01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Logic won't, IP won't, Gavin Nortland won't write west Hoff

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01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.399
<v Speaker 2>won't you won't. You already said you will it four

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<v Speaker 2>times and then said, well, he got to repent to

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01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>me publicly before I do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna sit and I'm gonna learn from your guys's

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<v Speaker 1>best sources. I'm gonna learn from the other best.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you gonna sit and learn when you just

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<v Speaker 2>said a minute ago, we don't have evidence in the

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<v Speaker 2>primary sources, but you're gonna sit and learn. So you

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually know whether we have evidence in the primary.

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<v Speaker 1>Sources sources, and we're gonna examine and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have this one true church debate. And I think it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, who's going to have that when and where?

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01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:29.279
<v Speaker 3>I'll want hold my breath?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? And then Protestants have to look at the same

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01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:36.279
<v Speaker 1>information and say, hey, yeah, what we're doing is a

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<v Speaker 1>retrieval method. We're trying to retrieve the original one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years of the church posts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so, now he's a restorationist. This doesn't even know

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<v Speaker 2>what he's arguing for now, he's a restorationist that Protestants

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<v Speaker 2>are retrieving the original first hundred years of the church.

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01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:54.359
<v Speaker 2>How are you going to retrieve the first hundred years

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01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:56.359
<v Speaker 2>of the church when you don't even have the Bible yet, dummy.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no completed canon in the first hundred years

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<v Speaker 2>of the church, so obviously they weren't solo scriptura in

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01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the first one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 3>Dummy, they're still writing the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ascension of Jesus. What was that church like? What

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01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>was their values?

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<v Speaker 2>And how so the Book of Acts? Dummy? You mean

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01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:16.039
<v Speaker 2>where they have synods and where they have episcopacy.

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<v Speaker 1>They gather and by the way, I don't think either

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01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:21.319
<v Speaker 1>church looks like the way the early church lived. For

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<v Speaker 1>the record, I don't think they.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, nobody gives a shit what you think. You just

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01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>admitted that you got to learn from the people on

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01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>the topic, So you admitted you don't actually know. So

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01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:30.279
<v Speaker 2>who gives a shit what you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Dummy saying rock and roll uh CM songs?

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<v Speaker 2>No, do you think it was rap church? Do you

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01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>think the first century church was fucking rap church? Might?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Off, I shall be dishmad? Job brought and you heard

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01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:49.159
<v Speaker 2>it frost from the peg bra gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I don't think it looks like my church,

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01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and I also don't think they.

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<v Speaker 3>All on you don't You don't think it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>rap church. So this just admitted rap church isn't the

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<v Speaker 3>first century church.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying rock and roll the Ascension of Jesus. What was

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<v Speaker 1>that church like and what was their values and how

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01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>did they gather? And by the way, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>either church looks like the way the early church lived.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record, I don't think they uh sang rock

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<v Speaker 1>and roll CM songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they didn't sing rap songs. Dummy, Then rhythm church

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<v Speaker 2>rap church is not the church of the first century.

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<v Speaker 2>You just admitted that your church is fake.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job, dummy, Okay, So I don't think it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like my church, and I also don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Think they I don't think it looks like my church.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruzon is admitting the early church, which he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>be the model for this debate, wasn't rap church. Shocker,

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01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.600
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't rap church. But what a fucking rethro This

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01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:41.039
<v Speaker 2>is the stupidest man on the Internet. There's nobody dumber

2075
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:44.119
<v Speaker 2>than this. And how many of y'all people got duped

2076
01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:46.119
<v Speaker 2>by this idiot he's supposed to be. He can't even

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01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:49.279
<v Speaker 2>do a rap beef in response. All he does is

2078
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:53.159
<v Speaker 2>bitch and wine and run to the feminists on Twitter

2079
01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>to try to back him up. They were, By the way,

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01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm absolutely convinced that there is no way this dude

2081
01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:01.319
<v Speaker 2>was actually a gangster who actually believes that bullshit. This

2082
01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:04.720
<v Speaker 2>dude probably stole a pack of of Now and Laters.

2083
01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>He stole a pack of now and Laters off the

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01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:11.520
<v Speaker 2>principal's desk and got got detention from it. You're almost

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01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:12.079
<v Speaker 2>a gaxton.

2086
01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>When I was young, son wizard outfits and had incense and.

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01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Ken wizard outfits. So he thinks liturgical vestments are wizard outfits.

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01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:22.640
<v Speaker 2>That means the Old Testament is a bunch of wizards.

2089
01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:25.600
<v Speaker 2>You just undid your own Old Testament religion. That means

2090
01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the synagogue that you send people to they're wearing wizard outfits.

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01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>You you are the stupidest person on the internet. Look

2092
01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:35.680
<v Speaker 2>at this dude. This is where he sends people to

2093
01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:40.359
<v Speaker 2>get circumcised to this fake ass Messianic synagogue. He's wearing

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01:37:40.880 --> 01:37:47.279
<v Speaker 2>liturgical rabbinical vestment outfits. So Old Testament levites were wizards, dummy.

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01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:49.600
<v Speaker 2>This dude is unbelievably stupid.

2096
01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Was everywhere and had beautiful art everywhere. I think they

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01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:54.159
<v Speaker 1>may have used.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the church being persecuted, is not gonna have giant cathedrals,

2099
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:01.359
<v Speaker 2>used art and seemingly had some art and so but

2100
01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:03.560
<v Speaker 2>now he's moved the gold post. Remember a minutego, he said,

2101
01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>you need to prove evidence from the primary sources that

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01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:09.119
<v Speaker 2>they had orts and that they had imagery, and there

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01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:11.079
<v Speaker 2>might be some of that. They got some of that,

2104
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>but you got to prove it's in the Bible. So

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01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>he moves this dude is so dumb.

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01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I also think that they had very simple gatherings around

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01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>the gospel.

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01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't think. We don't care what you think.

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01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:22.399
<v Speaker 2>And there's already been scholars that have disproven the house

2110
01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:25.520
<v Speaker 2>church model. Like the house church you think is a

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01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:27.880
<v Speaker 2>low church because it's a house. Yo. That was a

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01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>prayer meeting, brawl. That was a prayer meeting at La

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01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Craze House where we did a circumcision on little don

2114
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:35.760
<v Speaker 2>We took them in the bath from and did a

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01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>circumcision in prom circumcision.

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01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Yo.

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01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>That's what house church means.

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<v Speaker 4>Off.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are my thoughts. I think everybody, at the

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01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:45.039
<v Speaker 1>end of the day is looking for the truth, and

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01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I think if you're going to look for the truth,

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01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you have you just.

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01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Admitted it's not rap church, you dummy. You literally just

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01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>said my church isn't the early church.

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01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:54.159
<v Speaker 1>To be logically consistent, and they're just not. The arguments

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01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>are Wait.

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01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.079
<v Speaker 3>A minute, a minute ago, you said it's not going

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01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:57.720
<v Speaker 3>to be proven by logic and reasoning.

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01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:00.720
<v Speaker 2>You literally said that. Two minutes ago he said it's

2130
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:04.119
<v Speaker 2>a faith issue, it's not logic. But now it's we're

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01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>not logically consistent. Dude, you can't go five minutes without

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01:39:07.159 --> 01:39:08.239
<v Speaker 2>contradicting yourself.

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01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Dummy, not logically consistent. They can nuance it to death,

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01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:12.399
<v Speaker 1>they can word slid it to death.

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01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:12.800
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.399
<v Speaker 2>And now the actually, I actually think Rouselm is so

2137
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:19.760
<v Speaker 2>dumb that he actually thinks logical argumentation is fancy words.

2138
01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:22.119
<v Speaker 2>He's at that level like he thinks that that's what

2139
01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:27.039
<v Speaker 2>logic is is like you know, silver toungue car salesman talk,

2140
01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>that's what logic. You know, logics is like when you've

2141
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.119
<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of like you know, fast talking and

2142
01:39:32.279 --> 01:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like fancy words and shit like out of the dictionary.

2143
01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I ain't never even heard of, bro yo. That's that

2144
01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:40.520
<v Speaker 2>ain't how I rolled, dog. I rolled by horror and faith.

2145
01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:43.319
<v Speaker 1>This is going to be scrutinized because they decided to

2146
01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:43.960
<v Speaker 1>pick this fight.

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01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh, now you have to know you you baited everybody

2148
01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:50.760
<v Speaker 2>with your dumb idea to put a catechumen against two people.

2149
01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:52.960
<v Speaker 2>It was called debate across the internet. And then you

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01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:55.560
<v Speaker 2>backtrack when you got mild pushback and had to melt

2151
01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:58.359
<v Speaker 2>down and admitted that you were wrong. You already admitted

2152
01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that you're the source of all this. So yeah, we're

2153
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:02.720
<v Speaker 2>happy to pick a fight now. And guess what, we

2154
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>won't stop coming. They ain't gonna stop. I'm gonna be

2155
01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:06.279
<v Speaker 2>making fun of you for the next ten years.

2156
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Dummy Andrew Wilson scrambling trying to hop into debate, which

2157
01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:12.479
<v Speaker 1>pycally Andrew Wilsons stuff generally against leftists, I think has

2158
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:12.880
<v Speaker 1>been good.

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01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:16.439
<v Speaker 2>And I've noticed Rouselan lied too and said that Andrew

2160
01:40:16.479 --> 01:40:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Wilson only repeats red pill talking points. And then when

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01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Andrew showed from GROC that Andrew consistently doesn't repeat the

2162
01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:27.840
<v Speaker 2>red pill talking points about don't getting don't get married,

2163
01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:30.279
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, Rouselan blocked him.

2164
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:34.560
<v Speaker 3>So Rouselan is could the legit, one hundred percent pathological.

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01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Liar celebrated it. And I've championed his moves in those regards.

2166
01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I think his language and his mouth and his demeanor

2167
01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:42.439
<v Speaker 1>and his smugness is.

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01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Jerry go smoking man bad. Right, But you just said

2169
01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:47.800
<v Speaker 2>a cuss word a couple of years ago. You know,

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01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I've apologized for the F word, and look, I'm in

2171
01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:53.159
<v Speaker 2>a new studio, I got some new drip. He actually

2172
01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:55.039
<v Speaker 2>said that, he said, I'm in a new studio and

2173
01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I got different clothes. What the fuck does that have

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01:40:57.960 --> 01:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to do with whether you said the F word? Dummy?

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01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Generally unbecoming of anyone that's a Christian lacking fruit.

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01:41:04.359 --> 01:41:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'll here we go, smoke man bad four

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01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:11.079
<v Speaker 2>letter word. Okay, So let's say, for the sake of

2178
01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:12.479
<v Speaker 2>argument that that's true.

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01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:15.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't even buy that it is. But how come

2180
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:17.359
<v Speaker 3>you didn't call out Gavin Ortland's gay church.

2181
01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Where were you on that?

2182
01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:20.439
<v Speaker 3>That's ten times worse than anything Orthrow Bros.

2183
01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Are doing. And by the way, Orthro Bros Are bad

2184
01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:25.119
<v Speaker 2>for rage bait. He just did a lame ass rage

2185
01:41:25.159 --> 01:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>bait in his video, which we all just laughed at.

2186
01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought rage bait was bad behavior.

2187
01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:33.760
<v Speaker 1>On the internet, the spirit in these sorts of conversations.

2188
01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>But if you want. If this is what they want,

2189
01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>well guess what, there's gonna be a bunch of people

2190
01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:39.279
<v Speaker 1>that do it.

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01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it, let's go, let's I will, we will.

2192
01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:44.000
<v Speaker 2>This war will never stop. In fact, we'll ramp it up.

2193
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll do streams every day and there's gonna be a

2194
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:47.720
<v Speaker 1>bunch of people that go there with them. I'm not

2195
01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.399
<v Speaker 1>gonna keep talking about this because I don't want to

2196
01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:50.199
<v Speaker 1>bring more attention.

2197
01:41:50.319 --> 01:41:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Who is even gonna go? He's he's flexing David would

2198
01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:57.600
<v Speaker 2>as if David would is some like like we're scared

2199
01:41:57.640 --> 01:41:59.920
<v Speaker 2>of David would. I already asked David Wood to do

2200
01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:02.680
<v Speaker 2>formal debate and he wouldn't do it. David would just

2201
01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:06.199
<v Speaker 2>learn two days ago what the orthodox positions are any

2202
01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:09.520
<v Speaker 2>on basics, David would can't say if he believes the

2203
01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Reformation solos you think he's your ace in the hole,

2204
01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.439
<v Speaker 2>You are a legit moron.

2205
01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:19.800
<v Speaker 1>It's an unnecessary drama with this regard because I think

2206
01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:21.760
<v Speaker 1>this is only casting more and more division. But this

2207
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>is my video on it for the month.

2208
01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we're not in league with you. We're already

2209
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:29.279
<v Speaker 2>divided against you. So what you're talking about cast creating

2210
01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:30.319
<v Speaker 2>more division.

2211
01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:32.399
<v Speaker 1>And and I probably won't talk about it for a

2212
01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:33.039
<v Speaker 1>while after.

2213
01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:35.720
<v Speaker 3>But you want to start a war, but you're above

2214
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.279
<v Speaker 3>talking about it. He wants to go out of war,

2215
01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:40.520
<v Speaker 3>and he wants to have that war, but he's not

2216
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:42.760
<v Speaker 3>going to talk about it for a while. Dude, I swear,

2217
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.560
<v Speaker 3>ruseln is you.

2218
01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Somebody should go through this video, and every minute to

2219
01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:51.720
<v Speaker 2>two minutes there is a backtracking of the thing he

2220
01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>said two to three minutes earlier. That's all he ever does,

2221
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:59.199
<v Speaker 2>And every statement is backtracked and contradicted within three to

2222
01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:02.800
<v Speaker 2>four minutes within the freaking video. Unbelievable. And this is

2223
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the same dude who said four times he would debate

2224
01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>me and then backed out because I'm too mean and

2225
01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:11.399
<v Speaker 2>I must publicly repent to him. So he actually does

2226
01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:16.079
<v Speaker 2>believe in oral confession. It's just too the god ruseln right.

2227
01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:18.520
<v Speaker 1>As much as they want to debate me into a

2228
01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:22.119
<v Speaker 1>friendly chat over nonsense, I'm going.

2229
01:43:22.039 --> 01:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>To just wait a minute.

2230
01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:25.319
<v Speaker 3>How is it nonsense when you just said you're about

2231
01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:28.319
<v Speaker 3>to go on the offensive and you're gonna have these battles, but.

2232
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:30.520
<v Speaker 2>You won't debate even though you said you will. But

2233
01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:33.279
<v Speaker 2>also it's nonsense. So if it's nonsense. Why are you

2234
01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:34.039
<v Speaker 2>going to war over it?

2235
01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:37.640
<v Speaker 1>It's engaged because honestly, I've been traveling a lot. I'm busy.

2236
01:43:37.840 --> 01:43:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I got others.

2237
01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Notice ruse Lin's tour, his tour. We saw on his

2239
01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:47.840
<v Speaker 2>website two cities. There's two cities. He's so busy. Dog,

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01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:50.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm on tour. I got time to mess with you.

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01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:53.319
<v Speaker 3>I ain't got time for you, son, I said, how

2242
01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:55.399
<v Speaker 3>about a five minute conversation just before.

2243
01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>All this blew up? I got time for you, son,

2244
01:43:57.079 --> 01:44:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm on tour. Oh two cities, two cities on his

2245
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:04.319
<v Speaker 2>website the tour. No, I'm on tour, son, Yo. This

2246
01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>is like you know, Smoking Grooves tour right nineteen nine,

2247
01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:10.920
<v Speaker 2>we got like fifty maybe not fifty, more like three

2248
01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:12.880
<v Speaker 2>locations that we're doing. You know what I'm saying.

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01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Stuff I'm working on. But again, at some point I

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01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>will have one of these conversations. At some point, we'll

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01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>keep having these conversations with easton Orthodox. But uh, I

2252
01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:25.119
<v Speaker 1>really don't think they understand how fallacious some of the

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01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:25.720
<v Speaker 1>logic is.

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01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:28.279
<v Speaker 2>And wait a minute, Rizon, you just said a minute ago,

2255
01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:32.640
<v Speaker 2>logic doesn't matter, and you don't care about logical argumentations,

2256
01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:35.479
<v Speaker 2>and now you go back to yo, you fallacious and

2257
01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>full of logics, bro, And I'm going to show you

2258
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:39.039
<v Speaker 2>you ain't got no logics.

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01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:39.159
<v Speaker 4>Bro.

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01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna show you you got no logics.

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01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:44.439
<v Speaker 1>And now that that energy is being matched, there were

2262
01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the victims.

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01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:46.880
<v Speaker 3>There ain't nobody saying we're victims.

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01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>We love it. That's why we're ready to formally debate, dummy,

2265
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>And ain't nobody on your side? And do I guarantee

2266
01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:56.279
<v Speaker 2>you how do you think people have been studying this

2267
01:44:56.319 --> 01:44:59.199
<v Speaker 2>stuff for twenty twenty five years? How do you think

2268
01:44:59.319 --> 01:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>David Would, who just learned about it yesterday, is gonna

2269
01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:04.239
<v Speaker 2>do well? Are you this stupid? This whole stream is

2270
01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:09.399
<v Speaker 2>a facade of fear. You can tell he's scared about this.

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01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:11.479
<v Speaker 2>That's why at the end of it he's backtracking and

2272
01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:14.199
<v Speaker 2>being like, I'm gonna go to war, but also I'm

2273
01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:16.560
<v Speaker 2>not gonna do it because I'm above it all. I'm

2274
01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:18.239
<v Speaker 2>above it all. But you want war, you got it.

2275
01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:19.840
<v Speaker 2>But also I'm not gonna do it because I'm above it.

2276
01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:22.399
<v Speaker 2>But also logic don't matter. But I'm gonna show you

2277
01:45:22.439 --> 01:45:23.199
<v Speaker 2>you fallacious?

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01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:26.199
<v Speaker 1>How dare you? How dare you point out that man

2279
01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>optically we have an issue. How dare you? And so

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<v Speaker 1>those are my thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Now everybody is saying you got the bad optics, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>On our side, all you have is whining and bitching

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01:45:35.880 --> 01:45:39.800
<v Speaker 2>about pearl clutter. All you had is pearl clutch this

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<v Speaker 2>whole time, dummy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's on this sort of stuff. I want to know

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<v Speaker 1>what you guys think about this, Like, are you actually

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<v Speaker 1>considering how bad of a weakness was for the of bros?

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01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:51.079
<v Speaker 2>How nobody thinks that. That's why everybody is laughing at

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01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>how ridiculous David Wood has been exposed because David Would,

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01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:57.399
<v Speaker 2>after twenty years, can't say what his basic positions are.

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01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>That's David Wood got exposed bat of a week.

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<v Speaker 1>This was for you know, you got revenge and you

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01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:04.920
<v Speaker 1>got all kinds of nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no revenge. Corn you're lying again, like.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is really bad? Now again that the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the Eastern Orthodox community gets this, gets to

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<v Speaker 1>decide on if we're going to be complicit in this

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01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>by being silent about some of the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And here he goes again, this is here's his call

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<v Speaker 2>to cancelation. He did this on the last video. This

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01:46:23.079 --> 01:46:26.560
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit is so dishonest that his only move

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01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>is to try to get other Orthodox clergy to cancel

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01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:33.640
<v Speaker 2>anybody in our sphere. Meanwhile, he's not man enough to

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01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:36.199
<v Speaker 2>actually do a formal debate after he said he would

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01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:39.319
<v Speaker 2>do it four times and backed out. What a piece

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01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:42.560
<v Speaker 2>of garbage, dude, this piece, this dude is way ten

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01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>times more snaky than I ever thought he was. I

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01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:46.520
<v Speaker 2>regret even going on his podcast.

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01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:49.399
<v Speaker 1>So proud of the Eastern Orthodox that have stepped out

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01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:52.439
<v Speaker 1>and said, now, this is wrong, like revenge porn is terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't revenge corn. You're what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>This is this is not how we behave. I'm pumped

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01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:01.439
<v Speaker 1>for those priests that have spoken out about this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. But man, there's a lot of coddling, and man,

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01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:08.399
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of pragmaticism. Hey, these people get people

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<v Speaker 1>to charge.

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01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>So pragmaticism, pragmatism, you talk, you don't even know the

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01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>words you're saying. You word cellar, this Dudy's trying to do.

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01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Word salady does even the pragmaticism, pragmatism, what are you

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01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:21.319
<v Speaker 2>talking about?

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01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Everything else they do. We're not gonna speak out against

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01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>it because we want to keep a unified or Eastern

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01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Orthodox face. That sounds a lot like the Dawel Bros.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds yeah, that's a fallacy of association.

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01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:34.279
<v Speaker 3>Again, doesn't know basic fallacies. Yo, that's a that's a

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01:47:34.359 --> 01:47:37.560
<v Speaker 3>genetic fallacy, dummy. That sounds what he said about that

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01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:38.359
<v Speaker 3>dude like.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot like uh Islamo apologetics. Right, uh? And I

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<v Speaker 1>just I've seen this before. I don't think it ends well.

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01:47:44.680 --> 01:47:46.439
<v Speaker 1>We saw what happens to the Red Pill movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go, Uh Ortho Bros, dangerous orthos, bad orthos,

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01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna create raw uh Uh, they might be violence, grawl,

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01:47:56.159 --> 01:48:00.680
<v Speaker 2>lookout somethings common right, SPLC level talking point points, same

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01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:01.600
<v Speaker 2>thing they always do.

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<v Speaker 3>How many examples of actual or throw bro violence?

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01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Zero? Absolutely none, And yet it's it's going to be

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01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:13.079
<v Speaker 2>bad for these do dark clouds is coming. So they're actually,

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01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:16.840
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, doing the SPLC style talking point. He

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01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:20.560
<v Speaker 2>does it again, same thing that Gavin Ortland did, same thing.

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01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Wes helf Houff does.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, these guys are dangerous, they're online cults. They're gonna

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01:48:27.119 --> 01:48:31.079
<v Speaker 2>get people hurt, they're destroying lives. No examples, no proof,

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01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:35.079
<v Speaker 2>where's your proof. Uh, here's a sock account with no

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01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:38.640
<v Speaker 2>followers that said legalize great, Yeah, that could be anybody, dummy,

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01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:41.079
<v Speaker 2>that's not I've proven nothing, and none of that will

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01:48:41.119 --> 01:48:42.840
<v Speaker 2>hold up in court either, by the way, So I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you do keep pushing this.

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01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:47.319
<v Speaker 1>See what happens crashing and burning and now being a

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01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:50.039
<v Speaker 1>shell of itself. We've seen what happens to the flat

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01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Earth movement, you know, crashing and burning now, so.

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01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Again, guilt by association. This is the left, he does.

2354
01:48:56.199 --> 01:48:58.520
<v Speaker 2>All the leftist tactics or throw bros are like the

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01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:02.680
<v Speaker 2>al right, Ortho bros are like flat Earth right, associating

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01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:05.560
<v Speaker 2>us with all this nonsense online. Tell them so this

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01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:09.119
<v Speaker 2>is how, By the way, how has the SPLC fake

2358
01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:13.279
<v Speaker 2>funded stuff Perry worked out? It worked out very well,

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01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:14.439
<v Speaker 2>did it? That fell apart?

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01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:15.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, but you're gonna do all the same Sololenski

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01:49:18.119 --> 01:49:23.119
<v Speaker 2>style tactics of Ortho Bros. Is dangerous, Yo, they might

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01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:26.760
<v Speaker 2>hurt somebody. They're gonna swamp beds coming to I don't

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01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:29.760
<v Speaker 2>know what it is, but something dark is coming.

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01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Is it inevitable into this sort of stuff? And it's

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01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:35.520
<v Speaker 1>just it's sad that it had to come to this

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01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:36.680
<v Speaker 1>so so again.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice he is seething. He can't stop making videos about

2369
01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:44.399
<v Speaker 2>this because it's actually dipping into his market share. Right,

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01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Ruselan's numbers are worse than mine. He's trying to talk

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01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:51.800
<v Speaker 2>about like he's winning this battle online, like this is

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01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>all facaty. This is what he's doing here, which is

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01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:59.520
<v Speaker 2>proclaiming victory when he's beginning to collapse. It's cracking for

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01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:02.880
<v Speaker 2>him and we are not gonna I'm not gonna stop

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure.