Speaker 1: Partner with Dawa liars, who, by the way, have docs.
Speaker 1: David Wood's family.
Speaker 2: Nobody partnered with Dawa. You see this lie. The question
Speaker 2: was can I agree to a person's proposition? And this
Speaker 2: liar just reframed it as partnering with Dawa. So I
Speaker 2: hope he pays attention to all the bullshit that he says,
Speaker 2: because if this ever blows up like those are like
Speaker 2: serious characterizations, partnering with Dawa, partnering agreeing with the proposition
Speaker 2: is not partnering. And Rouselan, if you think that's going
Speaker 2: to hold up in court, you got another thing coming tog.
Speaker 1: So that what came out is if you are not
Speaker 1: willing to have an opinion on every single theological issue,
Speaker 1: to DISCLOSEU your denomination.
Speaker 2: No, if it's You're not able to have a basic
Speaker 2: statement of what I'm supposed to go to as a Christian.
Speaker 3: Again, this dude is such a liar.
Speaker 2: He reframes and recharacterizes everything in the exact opposite of
Speaker 2: what actually happened. The question was you can't tell me
Speaker 2: a basic Christian position on so teiology as a Protestant
Speaker 2: after twenty years of apologetics, it wasn't can you have
Speaker 2: a definite opinion on every thing. So again he's lying
Speaker 2: in this character. The Ortho Bros have the worst week?
Speaker 2: Are you sure about that? Did you mean to say?
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna assume that you misspoke.
Speaker 1: The Ortho Bros had the worst week ever actually coming
Speaker 1: out of this.
Speaker 2: Entire So this dude's strategy is to just triple down
Speaker 2: on everything being bad for him, losing everything, losing every battle.
Speaker 3: He can't even win a rap battle. I was supposed
Speaker 3: a rapper and.
Speaker 2: He's his strategy is to quadruple down that the Ortho
Speaker 2: bros Are losing. When Ruslan is over here at synagogues
Speaker 2: that actually circumcised Young down right turned him into No Dong.
Speaker 3: Young Dong got circumcised to this dumbass scam synagogue.
Speaker 2: Because Ru's run and God Logic sent him there and
Speaker 2: then became an atheist out of all this, And here's
Speaker 2: Ru's run. This is we had the worst week ever
Speaker 2: because Ru's run. I figured out that rus Everything Rouselan
Speaker 2: is saying is the problems that he's going through, right.
Speaker 2: If the Ortho Bros are doing X y z's what
Speaker 2: Rouslan is doing. Right. So Rouselan had the worst week
Speaker 2: is how to translate that, because remember he was just
Speaker 2: that the synagogue, preaching on the coke Pepsi schism from
Speaker 2: a laptop in a gym.
Speaker 1: Can you guys imagine how that worked out? Didn't wor
Speaker 1: out very well, So launching new Coke and Nextidy five,
Speaker 1: something sweeter recipe that was more similar to pepsi. However,
Speaker 1: New Coke was such a disaster it almost cost Co
Speaker 1: Cola the Soda Wars. And this is why it is
Speaker 1: because there was three categories of people that these folks
Speaker 1: were looking at. They had the advocate Coca Cola drinkers,
Speaker 1: and then they had the neutrals, and then they had
Speaker 1: the people that were completely a posta.
Speaker 2: So there you go, it's over for the Ortho Bros.
Speaker 2: And we got shut down by Rap Church. We saw
Speaker 2: that Ruse runs Rap Church charges two thousand dollars for
Speaker 2: counseling on how to church plant, two thousand dollars to
Speaker 2: talk to his grift pastor at Rap Church on how
Speaker 2: to plant a church. We saw that this week at
Speaker 2: every angle, at every turn, these people are making absolute
Speaker 2: fools of themselves. But it's the worst week the Ortho
Speaker 2: bros Have ever had, even though we just showed. Andrew
Speaker 2: just showed that David Wood can't even say what the
Speaker 2: solos are and if he believes the five solas twenty
Speaker 2: years of apologetics, and he can't say basic Protestant theology
Speaker 2: positions and if he holds to them as a Protestant
Speaker 2: evangelical apologist.
Speaker 1: God logic Muhammadi job situation. Let me give you guys
Speaker 1: a bit of the backstory, how I'm loosely involved in
Speaker 1: some of this, how they're attempting to put out fires
Speaker 1: by going on every single By the.
Speaker 2: Way, this dummy is the cause of all of this.
Speaker 2: So he's leaving out the fact that he admitted in
Speaker 2: his other video that he was wrong to pit two
Speaker 2: apologists against a catechumen. So he admitted the whole thing
Speaker 2: that everything started from that it was all his fault platform.
Speaker 1: Basically, in the last week, there's been all sorts of
Speaker 1: been fighting between orthobro apologists. You guys don't know who
Speaker 1: or borrows are there kind of distinct.
Speaker 2: There's been no infighting with ortho bro apologists. Every ortho
Speaker 2: bro and orthoboro apologist is on the same page here,
Speaker 2: So I guess he just misspoke there.
Speaker 1: From Eastern Orthodox folks who are generally very pleasant and
Speaker 1: very chill. They are way more rigid than your thinking
Speaker 1: and like think of like the Westborough Baptists, but with
Speaker 1: like Eastern bells and swells.
Speaker 2: Okay, so literally Ortho Bros Are equivalent to Fed Phelps
Speaker 2: and the insane cult of the Baptist He knows that's
Speaker 2: not true, which is it's not even even remotely close analogy.
Speaker 2: So basically, because we have the same theology as the
Speaker 2: first thousand years of the church, Ruzelana is saying that
Speaker 2: the Westboro Baptist Church is what the first thousand years
Speaker 2: of Christianity was. Like, That's how dumb this idiot is.
Speaker 2: That's essentially what he's saying because he thinks that Ortho Bros,
Speaker 2: who are really just normal Orthodox people stating normal Orthodox theology,
Speaker 2: which anybody can go look to see if it is
Speaker 2: the case, we're equivalent to Fed Phelps and the Westboro
Speaker 2: Baptist Church. Ironically, it's these people who send people to
Speaker 2: weirdo synagogues like this that tell people to get circumcised
Speaker 2: and not eat pork today. So in his mind, to
Speaker 2: go to a judaizing sect where he preaches, that's normal Ruslanianity.
Speaker 2: But Orthodox Christianity is like Westborough Baptist Church to this idiot,
Speaker 2: and this dude is making himself into the biggest clown
Speaker 2: on the internet. Dude easily making himself into it. The
Speaker 2: same guy whose whole open admitted approach is a marketing scheme.
Speaker 4: Fit up and more people.
Speaker 1: When you drop something that's scarce, you're leaning on scarcity,
Speaker 1: limited edition. There's only a few of it. It drives
Speaker 1: the value and the hype of it up and more
Speaker 1: people engage. Okay, so that is.
Speaker 4: Something else in.
Speaker 1: Strategic collaboration you can use scarcity to drive the perceived value.
Speaker 2: Of Also, remind you, guys that according to this idiot
Speaker 2: who sends people to this synagogue where he's supposed to
Speaker 2: get circumcised, and they circumcised young Down, made him young Dong,
Speaker 2: and then he became an atheist, that's normal Christianity. A
Speaker 2: Ruse run Why because they don't teach exclusivism. But guess what,
Speaker 2: what have we seen all week long? Turns out inspiring philosophy,
Speaker 2: god logic. Ruse Run Gavin Ortland, Wes Huff they are exclusivists.
Speaker 2: What yes, turns out they are exclusively dogmatic that you
Speaker 2: can't be exclusivists. So that's a version of exclusivism, dummies.
Speaker 2: You all say that you can't go to a church
Speaker 2: that teaches that it's the true church, so you have
Speaker 2: to teach that all the churches are the true church,
Speaker 2: you idiots. That's another version of you're the true church.
Speaker 2: It's just an ecumenist version of it, dummies. This is
Speaker 2: how stupid these people are. Let me remind you, this
Speaker 2: is the person that's telling you about the true church,
Speaker 2: this idiot.
Speaker 5: Ten thousand on TikTok hundred thousand. How do I monetize
Speaker 5: these people?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? How do I monetize these people?
Speaker 3: That's who you're going to for true Christianity.
Speaker 2: Here, this idiot, this is his pastor, his passage is
Speaker 2: the entire sermons on how to be a good tither.
Speaker 2: And they can spot right away if you're not going
Speaker 2: to be a good tither, right there.
Speaker 6: Some people in here that are like, well, I try
Speaker 6: to tithe, and uh, I couldn't afford a tithe, or
Speaker 6: I did the tithe and I still like I still
Speaker 6: was broke, And I'd say.
Speaker 2: A bad budgeter will be a broke tither. So these
Speaker 2: this rap church has already got it all mapped out
Speaker 2: as to whether or not they're interested in having you
Speaker 2: in terms of whether you're going to be able to
Speaker 2: tithe or not. That's what that that's the decoding that
Speaker 2: marketing speaker right there, right. Okay, so you're not able
Speaker 2: to do the ten percent tithe, which according to average
Speaker 2: income of San Diego is ten thousand dollars a year,
Speaker 2: maybe you need to go over there to the Tolo church. Dude,
Speaker 2: we're looking for we're looking for uh Tithers that can
Speaker 2: actually make bang bro. Now it's a bad week for
Speaker 2: the orthro Bros. But David would can't even say if
Speaker 2: he knows Christian theology right enough to say or well
Speaker 2: enough to say what his positions are. Well, guess what, David,
Speaker 2: how do you how do you know that your anti
Speaker 2: Islamic reasoning was good enough by that same standard?
Speaker 7: Well, leading up to me becoming a Christian, everything just
Speaker 7: it broke down.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 7: It's like I was completely convinced of all these things
Speaker 7: and I was completely totally wrong. I concluded that basically,
Speaker 7: don't I can't trust myself that much. I can't trust
Speaker 7: my reasoning. I feel I feel like a constant moron.
Speaker 7: Now when I'm around really stupid people, I'll start feeling
Speaker 7: like a genius. But I'm always I'm always in the
Speaker 7: I'm always in the thought mode that, like you know,
Speaker 7: if this is every thing that, if this, like if
Speaker 7: there's a circle with like everything that can be known,
Speaker 7: I know like that what I actually know is like
Speaker 7: one tiny insignificant dot of that.
Speaker 2: So if David Wood can't rest on his own reasoning
Speaker 2: when it comes to do you believe that the basics
Speaker 2: of Evangelical Protestant theology twenty years into this he doesn't know?
Speaker 2: His answer is I can't trust my own reasoning, which
Speaker 2: is all false humility, because David Wood is an admitted
Speaker 2: narcissistic psychopath admittedly, so he's saying that to play to
Speaker 2: the audience, who he thinks are a bunch of radiots that, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just humility, which is why he can't say if
Speaker 2: he believes the Reformation distinctives. However, how do you trust
Speaker 2: your reasoning about anti Islamic apologetics for twenty years? So
Speaker 2: this is all such a bunch of nonsense, Like these
Speaker 2: people have all been exposed as don't no actual concern
Speaker 2: for Christian theology, church history, any of that. It's literally
Speaker 2: just the anti Islamianity grift. Go to whatever church you want,
Speaker 2: but just don't say there's an exclusive is And by
Speaker 2: the way, we're exclusivist about that.
Speaker 3: What's up, Jim Bob yo, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Welcome bro?
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 8: I just wanted to add in there that, you know,
Speaker 8: if he felt like he couldn't really lean into his
Speaker 8: own reasoning and he feels stupid most of the time,
Speaker 8: it would make sense to be around Muslims to make
Speaker 8: yourself feel a little bit better.
Speaker 4: But we're starting to understand.
Speaker 8: That, like, well, dude, you can get you could be
Speaker 8: given a script and refute Islam.
Speaker 4: The problem that you've.
Speaker 8: Been pointing out and I'm trying to echo it here
Speaker 8: is once you get a Muslim person thinking about leaving Islam,
Speaker 8: the last thing you want to do is just give
Speaker 8: them a Bible and say good luck, dude, good luck
Speaker 8: reading the Bible.
Speaker 4: It's like, especially a Muslim.
Speaker 8: Like I don't understand how he can't see that as
Speaker 8: a as a fair contention.
Speaker 2: He knows that, but like he's doing whatever he can
Speaker 2: to save face, and that's why he's literally just now
Speaker 2: supposedly learning what the distinctions between Protestants, Catholics, Evangelicals. How
Speaker 2: do you how do you have prologists for twenty years?
Speaker 3: You don't know those basics. But jimbob Any comments, yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean, something that's just kind of funny is that
Speaker 8: if they're arguing for like this pluralism, it would have
Speaker 8: to include Orthodoxy first of all. Second of all, they
Speaker 8: they really want to want to isolate on this thing
Speaker 8: called an orthobro, so they don't really have to contend
Speaker 8: with Orthodoxy exactly.
Speaker 4: I keep seeing this over and over again.
Speaker 8: About Orthodoxy and then they're like, yeah, but then the orthobros,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, dude, you guys have to deal with
Speaker 8: this this contention. Are you arguing for Christianity or not?
Speaker 8: And if so, you got to deal with what what's
Speaker 8: the true church?
Speaker 4: And if you say.
Speaker 8: Everything is, then you shouldn't have a problem with orthrobros
Speaker 8: at all.
Speaker 4: Anyway, you shouldn't even have a problem with them. There's
Speaker 4: just another church, right, just another sub sect of a church. Right,
Speaker 4: that's it. We should be included, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's the point is that you the only
Speaker 2: thing that excludes you is Orthodox exclusivity. Because their version
Speaker 2: of exclusivity is just acumenism. You have to you have
Speaker 2: to be a cumnist. Now, let's let's see an example
Speaker 2: of that. Here's God logic again. He's got the opportunity
Speaker 2: to share uh, real stuff with whoever this black dude
Speaker 2: is lacree whoever that is.
Speaker 9: Let's see Jesuit Catholic or Roman Catholic, whatever, just I'm
Speaker 9: a Catholic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right? Is that a note for you?
Speaker 9: It would it would depend on the extremism, Like if
Speaker 9: the if you're if you run into like this is
Speaker 9: what any denomination, if you're running into one, that's saying that,
Speaker 9: you know, if you're not part of this church or
Speaker 9: this denomination, you are hell bent. Okay, the red flags.
Speaker 2: But they are. They are extremists. They are extreme acumenists
Speaker 2: who say that if you aren't an acumenist about the
Speaker 2: church right, then you are a rigorous, crazy orthro bro.
Speaker 2: You're a cult. So they're just doing the same standard
Speaker 2: with their ecumenism. They don't see this, of course not.
Speaker 2: There is no Churchill's apologetic. As we've been saying and
Speaker 2: over and over and over, these guys, when they're on
Speaker 2: the biggest platforms given the so called gospel to It's
Speaker 2: the same repeat with Young Don.
Speaker 3: They all told Young Don, oh.
Speaker 2: You would really want to serve Jesus, come out of
Speaker 2: your Baptist church and come to this Messianic senate God
Speaker 2: where we're going to circumcise you. That's what these readers
Speaker 2: are pushing. How do you not see this? And all
Speaker 2: they want to do is say, Minorthobros, on what basis
Speaker 2: does it mean to tell people that there is one
Speaker 2: true church and that it's not the Messianic synagogue with
Speaker 2: Mexican rabbi rappers. All right, let's play some Maru's line
Speaker 2: and then Jim Boutfield free to a comment.
Speaker 1: So they were initially upset at god Logic, okay, follow
Speaker 1: off for a second. They were upset of god Logic
Speaker 1: because God Logic did a livestream that then redirected to
Speaker 1: a second channel, which is ran by his friend Life,
Speaker 1: which then redirected to JP's live stream where at some
Speaker 1: point the night, JP was speaking to an inquirer of
Speaker 1: Eastern Orthodoxy and then they were talking him out of
Speaker 1: becoming storthnex now.
Speaker 2: And the God Logic dude was in the chat cheering
Speaker 2: on the gas lighting of the Inquirer.
Speaker 1: If he started doing all of this probably about a
Speaker 1: month ago. JP Mohler aut in a bunch of differ
Speaker 1: channels because all this vitrial was hurled up me when
Speaker 1: I'd said, hey, I'm not going to debate Jay Yer,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to dedicate a bunch of time
Speaker 1: to this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: No, the vitriol was at you because you admittedly made
Speaker 2: a mistake. You said I should not have had the
Speaker 2: Inquirer on the stage.
Speaker 3: That's why it was after you.
Speaker 2: So again he reframes and leaves out the actual reason
Speaker 2: as to why everybody got mad at him. And also,
Speaker 2: if you admitted that you were wrong, why didn't you
Speaker 2: bring that back up right? And by the way, the
Speaker 2: vitriol against you, in terms of the other stuff had
Speaker 2: to do with your stupid ass attitude of flexing your
Speaker 2: channel on everybody's face. And also assuming that the other
Speaker 2: thing was that you said four times you would debate
Speaker 2: and then you backtracked on it, that's another thing.
Speaker 1: So what happened was because this entire thing happened, Jay
Speaker 1: Dyer then agreed with a dollar dude, a Muslim Tawa dude,
Speaker 1: who said that God logic is a grifter. Okay. Now
Speaker 1: this is accusation often hurdled by the East Orthodox. Now
Speaker 1: everyone is a grifter. Okay, so God logic is a grifter.
Speaker 2: No, your grifter is because you run money church where
Speaker 2: you ask for ten thousand dollars from your congregants and
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars to talk to your fake rap pastor
Speaker 2: for one hour on how to church plant. Did you
Speaker 2: bob anything?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think they just have to understand what we're what
Speaker 8: we're saying when you say a grifter, like, we're pointing
Speaker 8: to specific things, and most importantly, you're saying people who say, hey,
Speaker 8: I'm a Christian, I'm pointing you to Christianity. But wouldn't
Speaker 8: we ask what is it? They don't have an answer.
Speaker 8: They're basically selling something they don't have.
Speaker 2: They're using the Peter Drucker model of no dogmas and inclusivity.
Speaker 2: That is the Peter Drucker church plant church selling model.
Speaker 2: And here's another one of these goobers with God used
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 10: People in the Greek Orthodox Church. But I think the
Speaker 10: next question you got to ask is does Jesus say
Speaker 10: people in the Greek Orthodox Church or should you adopt
Speaker 10: solar scriptora, sola fide, solo gratia, solis christis soli de gloria,
Speaker 10: we should move on.
Speaker 2: So he's saying that the Greek Orthodox Church doesn't have
Speaker 2: the solos, so it's not a true church. So they
Speaker 2: can say we're not a true church. See the hypocrisy there.
Speaker 2: This guy says, I think the next you're not a
Speaker 2: true church because you don't have the solos. That's exclusivist doctrines, dude,
Speaker 2: So and God logics just sitting there and let him
Speaker 2: say that. He didn't even say anything, but God logic
Speaker 2: tells the other people if you teach an exclusivist doctrine,
Speaker 2: that's the problem. Well, your co host is teaching it
Speaker 2: right there, dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 8: Yeah, And what we what we're trying to get them
Speaker 8: to do is we want them to be more clear
Speaker 8: on exclusivity. That's what we're challenging.
Speaker 4: What you've been challenging, David would on if you say
Speaker 4: you're Christian, what we're saying is that's an exclusive claim
Speaker 4: to be Christian? What does it mean?
Speaker 8: Can you can you put your positive position up up
Speaker 8: against our positive position.
Speaker 4: David Wood seems to think that means.
Speaker 8: Oh, I know I have to attack now, I have
Speaker 8: to attack Eastern Orthodo and figure out the arguments against it.
Speaker 8: That's actually not even what we're asking. We're asking you
Speaker 8: to just tell us what you believe. You couldn't even
Speaker 8: do it when Andrew is on, So I don't know
Speaker 8: what they're thinking. This avenue is. We just want them
Speaker 8: to make their positive case. But like you said, their
Speaker 8: positive case is like a pluralism humanism.
Speaker 2: Rouselan says, now everyone is a grifter. No, specifically you
Speaker 2: and David would are grifters now.
Speaker 1: And this is why when you drop something that's scarce,
Speaker 1: you're leaning on scarcity, limited edition, there's only a few
Speaker 1: of it. It drives the value and the hype of
Speaker 1: it up and more people engage. Okay, so that is
Speaker 1: something else initiati to collaboration. You can use scarcity to
Speaker 1: drive the perceived value of what.
Speaker 2: You're Rouselan charges five hundred to one thousand dollars to
Speaker 2: talk to him in person, and he's saying, no, I'm serious. Now,
Speaker 2: everybody's a grip. No, you dude, you dummy.
Speaker 1: Then las Andrew Wilson, who had a five hour livestream
Speaker 1: with David Wood, which is utterly insufferable playing games and
Speaker 1: word salad around.
Speaker 2: No, uh, David would was the one playing games because
Speaker 2: he wouldn't commit to a position after twenty years of apologetics.
Speaker 2: So you and your stupid ass broccoli head retelling of
Speaker 2: the story, we all knows bullshit.
Speaker 1: They want school presuppositions when you should or shouldn't partner
Speaker 1: with Dawa. Liars, who, by the way, have docs David
Speaker 1: Wood's family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody partnered with Dawa. You see this lie. The
Speaker 2: question was can I agree to a person's proposition? And
Speaker 2: this liar just reframed it as partnering with Dawa. So
Speaker 2: I hope he pays attention to all the bullshit that
Speaker 2: he says, because if this ever blows up, if this
Speaker 2: ever becomes something like those are like serious characterizations partnering
Speaker 2: with Dawa partnering, Yeah, agreeing with the proposition is not partnering.
Speaker 2: And Rouselan. If you think that's going to hold up
Speaker 2: in court, you got another thing coming to dog god logic.
Speaker 1: I think his wife just that's like really bad fake
Speaker 1: actors from this whole thing, Okay, And so that what
Speaker 1: came out is if you are not willing to have
Speaker 1: an opinion on every single theological issue to disclose your denomination.
Speaker 2: No, if it's you're not able to have a base
Speaker 2: statement of what I'm supposed to go to as a Christian. Again,
Speaker 2: this dude is such a liar. He reframes and recharacterizes
Speaker 2: everything in the exact opposite of what actually happened. The
Speaker 2: question was you can't tell me a basic Christian position
Speaker 2: on so teiology as a Protestant after twenty years of apologetics,
Speaker 2: It wasn't can you have a definite opinion on everything?
Speaker 2: So again he's lying and mischaracterizing.
Speaker 1: It to debate them upon their prompting debate me or
Speaker 1: your gay de paate me or your gay debate me,
Speaker 1: your game. You shouldn't even be doing apologetical dude.
Speaker 2: You agreed to the debate, dummy. You're the one that
Speaker 2: said four times you would debate and then said no,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 4: He says it in this video to Jay it doesn't.
Speaker 4: He says, well, I'm thinking of.
Speaker 2: Debating you already said I have to publicly repent to you,
Speaker 2: you gay dude.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is what they're now saying. And in all
Speaker 1: of this it's a woken the entire community of people
Speaker 1: to combat their issues.
Speaker 2: So no, it's only awoken a bunch of independent Baptists
Speaker 2: to try to find pearl clutching examples of two hundred
Speaker 2: dollars for a baptismal celebration renting the fellowship, Paul, that's
Speaker 2: all it's done.
Speaker 1: And from calling god Logic a grifter to getting behind
Speaker 1: the GoFundMe of God Logic, which is peak irony in all.
Speaker 2: This, No, it's not. It makes perfect sense if you
Speaker 2: aren't a ad iq. I support God Logic against being
Speaker 2: irrationally sued by you know, he doesn't understand a person
Speaker 2: can have nuance in this. I don't want a live
Speaker 2: streamer to be able to be sued when it was
Speaker 2: agreed that they could they could restream the broadcast because
Speaker 2: I'm a live streamer, Dummy. It affects anyone in the
Speaker 2: live streaming community. Because if Mohammed had jog won that case,
Speaker 2: it would affect all live streamers and god Logic was
Speaker 2: correct in that case. That doesn't mean that I have
Speaker 2: to agree with god Logic's non exclusivist, exclusivity dogmatic acumenist claim. Dummy.
Speaker 1: At the same time, at the same time, there was
Speaker 1: a scandal that broke out because a girl named Catherine
Speaker 1: wrote substack about dating an East Northodox community and pointed
Speaker 1: out that you know a lot of these guys coming.
Speaker 2: Here we go, So this dummy, of course, is going
Speaker 2: to latch on to some rando unstable woman riding a
Speaker 2: substact post as AMMO against all the Ortho bros. When
Speaker 2: none of these people will just come out and say
Speaker 2: that they don't like Orthodoxy. Although Rouselan did admit that
Speaker 2: in the previous video. I remember he was like, I
Speaker 2: was open to Orthodoxy. Not so much anymore. He's spelling
Speaker 2: the beans, dude, that he just doesn't like Orthodoxy any comment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think you're on to the game.
Speaker 8: And everyone kind of knew the game to begin with,
Speaker 8: but it finally is finding its head, which is like,
Speaker 8: you guys can't just stay on the fence with broad
Speaker 8: Christianity and it's not a good enough excuse to have
Speaker 8: a business about it. We're gonna press you on what
Speaker 8: you actually believe because you're actually misleading people.
Speaker 1: Exactly out of the red Pill matters field brain rot
Speaker 1: the are dealing with just like basic grooming issues and
Speaker 1: smell issues, and they're very demeaning towards women.
Speaker 2: So hear that. So all the Ortho bros don't know
Speaker 2: how to groom themselves, they don't know how to act.
Speaker 2: So he just default listened to Catherine, who was shown
Speaker 2: to be a total hypocrite in her post. And it's
Speaker 2: all the Ortho bros who don't take shout. Dude, you
Speaker 2: go to freaking rap church, you got broccoli hair, you
Speaker 2: wear your stupid godly ambition T shirts when you preach.
Speaker 2: Look at your freaking grooming skills. Dude, you gotta wanna
Speaker 2: be afro because you wish you were black.
Speaker 3: I am black.
Speaker 2: You wish you were me? Dude?
Speaker 3: What you talking about?
Speaker 1: Now? Know that they then exposed revenge corn of this
Speaker 1: poor girl okay, which then divided the online Ortho bros
Speaker 1: even more.
Speaker 2: I mean another lie. No they didn't. That's another lie.
Speaker 2: They blacked out the images and the one that was
Speaker 2: a bikini photo. So everybody who shows a photo that's
Speaker 2: a that's so basically every website with a swimsuit is
Speaker 2: revenge corn now right, This dude is sot man. You
Speaker 2: see why he put our debate when we were on
Speaker 2: friend terms behind the paywall because I called out about
Speaker 2: four fallacies when we had our two hour debate, and
Speaker 2: he put that, of course behind the paywall, right because
Speaker 2: he knows that. And remember he said in his last video, Yo,
Speaker 2: do you want to talk about freaking fallacies? You know listen,
Speaker 2: I don't care about fallacies. Don't nobody care about fallacies.
Speaker 2: He thinks fallacies are like just attacked it. It's just
Speaker 2: words slid according to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for the first time we saw were the
Speaker 1: most finally calling him out. And then this is all
Speaker 1: the same week, mind you. So they go from god
Speaker 1: Logica Agrift's.
Speaker 2: Shocker, he sides with the mentally unstable feminist to attack
Speaker 2: the Ortho bros. Shocker, right, don't even know what the story,
Speaker 2: doesn't even know what happened. Just just side with anybody
Speaker 2: who hates Ortho bros. Right now. Notice how different it
Speaker 2: is from our approach. I debate the Muslims for eight
Speaker 2: years straight, nine years straight. I agree with one statement
Speaker 2: of one Muslim. I'm allied with them, even though I've
Speaker 2: opposed in debate of them for ten years. Ruslan immediately
Speaker 2: latches onto and go with and runs with anybody opposed
Speaker 2: to Orthodox, even schismatic priests like that. Lunatic they brought
Speaker 2: on their stream. So do you see the double standard there?
Speaker 2: How crazy it actually is?
Speaker 1: What's a grifter? Ipe's a grifter? Okay, which which is
Speaker 1: ironic because if everybodys a griftered, then that word uses
Speaker 1: all meaning Okay.
Speaker 2: No, it's you're a grifter if you can't tell us
Speaker 2: why or what church we're supposed to go to, or
Speaker 2: what the history of the church is, that's the accusation.
Speaker 2: It's not just everyone as a grifter, No, you and
Speaker 2: your allies are grifting. That's the accusation. Dude.
Speaker 1: If everyone's a grifter, it's like the word racist, right, like,
Speaker 1: and everyone's racist? And then what is racist?
Speaker 2: Right? So you mean, like how David Wood and your
Speaker 2: crowd tries to say that we're all racist with no accusation,
Speaker 2: with no proof. How can I be racist if I'm blacked? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Why? Because they're not willing to have the debate about
Speaker 1: the one true church, okay, exactly.
Speaker 2: All of the smoke a mirror is to avoid the
Speaker 2: actual theological debate.
Speaker 1: On top of the scandal with this girl riding a
Speaker 1: substack talking about dating the North actual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the scandal is what she calls dummy, it's a.
Speaker 1: Very reasonable article in NAMS Katherine that.
Speaker 3: That was not in fact, she was a hypocrite and
Speaker 3: a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Who even knows if the think it was true that
Speaker 2: chick when she first came into the discord was booted
Speaker 2: out in twenty seventeen because she was causing problems. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Kai who sends this years.
Speaker 1: Ago revenge corn that was released of hers is not
Speaker 1: even being debated within some of these circles, and if
Speaker 1: she should be set and if the photos they released
Speaker 1: were of her like in a bathing suit, and then.
Speaker 2: Oh well, so wait a minute, if the ones that
Speaker 2: were posted were just bathing suits, then you just refuted yourself, idiot,
Speaker 2: because that's not revenge corn, dummy, it was.
Speaker 1: Actually I guess explicit photo she said, I don't know,
Speaker 1: basically just saying she's a hypocrite for saying anything about dating.
Speaker 1: What's a very nuwance article. So that happened.
Speaker 2: Oh so wait a minute, so that happened, Well that
Speaker 2: would undo your previous point, dummy.
Speaker 1: Okay, And then it's a bunch of screenshots of Eastern
Speaker 1: Orthodox churches and I think some Catholic churches too, seemingly
Speaker 1: charging for the sacrament of baptism.
Speaker 8: You already corrected this, dude, He literally corrected this.
Speaker 4: You correct this right on his post. Chase Haggard corrected
Speaker 4: this on his post. He knows that these are suggested donations.
Speaker 8: He knows that not a single one of these churches
Speaker 8: would say, no, you can't get baptized, you got to
Speaker 8: save up the money. Not a single one. And he's
Speaker 8: he knows it. That's why he says seemingly. That means
Speaker 8: he knows.
Speaker 4: He knows.
Speaker 2: But this is how he can still lie. This is
Speaker 2: how he can still lie exactly so he's able to lie.
Speaker 2: He is a total liar. By the way, here's Rouselan's
Speaker 2: own church asking for ten thousand dollars a year from
Speaker 2: its congregants to be obedient. So Rouselan's church asks for
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars a year, Rouselan says he's all he
Speaker 2: wants to do is monetize his audience. This is the
Speaker 2: dude defending ten thousand dollars a year and complaining about
Speaker 2: a two hundred dollars suggested fee to rent out at
Speaker 2: the front to rent out the church fellowship hall. Cleeve
Speaker 2: called these churches and asked them, is it two hundred
Speaker 2: dollars to receive the sacrament? No, it's two hundred dollars
Speaker 2: to have the party and the fellowship hall. Bro I
Speaker 2: got the following.
Speaker 5: I got twenty eight thousand, I got two hundred thousand
Speaker 5: on TikTok three h five hundred Thosand how do I
Speaker 5: monetize these people?
Speaker 2: This is the dude complaining about a feed to rant
Speaker 2: a fellowship haul at it. He goes to a church
Speaker 2: that asks for ten thousand dollars a year from its
Speaker 2: San Diego congregants.
Speaker 1: Okay, all this is all happens in the same week.
Speaker 1: Now I didn't cover this next wee because I'm traveling.
Speaker 1: I was in Florida. Shots all of people that came
Speaker 1: out of the show and Temple probably our best show
Speaker 1: that we had, were tun of people. So I think
Speaker 1: you guys all came out there. So in the midst
Speaker 1: of all of this, they are absolutely goings again. So
Speaker 1: Andrew Wilson is jumping into any stream he can to
Speaker 1: try and you put out the fires. And now this
Speaker 1: has let David would to say, Okay, so we're all
Speaker 1: grifters if we can't debate your want two church, So
Speaker 1: David wo Ha's been doing an onslaught.
Speaker 2: No, the argument is not your grifter, because you can't
Speaker 2: debate one true church. The argument is that after twenty
Speaker 2: years of apologetics, you can't say whether you believe the
Speaker 2: Protestant basics or what the right church to send a
Speaker 2: convert to is.
Speaker 1: Dummy of Eastern Orthodox streams and engaging with folks who
Speaker 1: are East a Northdox. Here in the arguments against it,
Speaker 1: here in arguments for it, prepping for some sort of debate.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's going to have. This has other people
Speaker 1: doing our calling streams, debating or doc and choirs, and
Speaker 1: it's really all kind of culminating in the same week
Speaker 1: exposing the utter hypocrisy within this Orthorox community.
Speaker 2: And how where's the hypocrisy? Like, the only hypocrisy is
Speaker 2: everything that you're saying with your church. Charging ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a year to be an obedient church member, dummy,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? He hasn't actually pointed out
Speaker 2: any hypocrisy. Again, all he has is Ortho bro bad.
Speaker 2: That's it. This dude is total. He's a paper tiger, dude.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know what fallacies are as you saw from
Speaker 2: my debate with him, he even says, I don't care
Speaker 2: about fallacies, and this dummy thinks he's going to debate.
Speaker 2: It's a joke.
Speaker 1: So we deluded the are now I want to drop
Speaker 1: clear distinction. I think there's a difference between good faith.
Speaker 1: He's the Orthodox Christians who Now, so this is.
Speaker 2: Not what's going on, right, because he just means I
Speaker 2: like any of the faking gay ortho people who are
Speaker 2: who won't say that there's one true church, right.
Speaker 3: That's all this means. Any comment, Jim, feel free to
Speaker 3: uh no, Yeah.
Speaker 8: It's it's clear that there's there's basically a protection scheme
Speaker 8: for a very general use of the word Christian as
Speaker 8: it applies to everything he does, which is performances, merchandise.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a wider net.
Speaker 8: And the reality is once you actually argue for the
Speaker 8: true Church and you're a part of the true Church,
Speaker 8: you obviously that's not a priority. You know, that's something
Speaker 8: that's going to get hit when you say the truth.
Speaker 8: It's just how it is. And so they're just protecting
Speaker 8: He especially is just protecting it. He seems like he's
Speaker 8: protecting like basically a network of people.
Speaker 2: It is a network. And we saw for example that
Speaker 2: David Wood is funded by a Middle Eastern country. His
Speaker 2: outfit is and so they might even all just be
Speaker 2: a giant funded grift scheme that's actually political in its orientation,
Speaker 2: maybe even over above anything to do with religion. It
Speaker 2: might actually just be money that's being put into these
Speaker 2: groups to promote certain type of non denominational pro zion
Speaker 2: as types of Christianity.
Speaker 1: See other Christians. Brother this is in christ. This would
Speaker 1: seem like a brother named Felys Truth who believes that, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you're a Christian and you place faith in Jesus,
Speaker 1: you are a Christian. Don't the would prefer you to
Speaker 1: be a part of with it our church. But he
Speaker 1: would say, you're still You're still a brother in faith, right,
Speaker 1: this is someone is close to God.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know that Nick actually said that,
Speaker 3: But that's whether Nick said that or not.
Speaker 2: It's still not true. Just because you profess faith in Christ,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make you a brother in Christianity or in
Speaker 2: the Church. As we saw in the first thousand years
Speaker 2: of the Church, anyone that disagreed with anything in the
Speaker 2: Niceno Constantapolitan creed was not considered within the bounds of
Speaker 2: Christianity at all. So if you're outside of the Nicene creed,
Speaker 2: you're not within quote Christianity. That's the delineator. So whether
Speaker 2: Nick said that or not, which I don't trust anything
Speaker 2: Rousalm says, it doesn't matter because it's not true logic verstis.
Speaker 1: Folks are more hard line and they're angry about anyone
Speaker 1: that's going to quote not ecumenical, all right, and this
Speaker 1: we're not angry.
Speaker 2: We're just simply calling it out and refuting it. So
Speaker 2: he thinks we're angry, No, we're angry at all the
Speaker 2: lives that you tell to try to defend this indefensible posies.
Speaker 2: We're not angry about ecumenism. We think that it's the
Speaker 2: main heresy of our day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would add that the frustration, if anything, if
Speaker 8: they're sensing it, is that they're not isolating it and
Speaker 8: trying to defend it, you know itself. We just want
Speaker 8: you to try to defend it, and they're like, no,
Speaker 8: we're just going to point out how you guys are
Speaker 8: flustered and mean and annoyed about us, but we're not
Speaker 8: going to actually try to defend this general acumenist view
Speaker 8: that anybody who says, you know, Jesus Christ is Lord is.
Speaker 4: A Christian and the rest is history. No, we don't.
Speaker 4: It's never been done that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just ask these people why a Mormon isn't a
Speaker 2: Christian if they say Jesus, Yeah, they say Jesus is Lord. Well,
Speaker 2: Mormon's are better because Joe's witnesses won't say the Trinity,
Speaker 2: but Mormon will say I believe in Father, Son and
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 2: So it's even better with the Mormon example because they
Speaker 2: have the same propositions, but they had triput obviously different
Speaker 2: meaning to the propositions, which is the whole point of
Speaker 2: why you can't be a church list apologism.
Speaker 1: It's all culminated. David witchtry yesterday, we got it all.
Speaker 1: Check out where he points out just some of the
Speaker 1: utter brain rot that is coming out from these folks
Speaker 1: and the memes and the craziness here. Okay, so check
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 7: Ja Dwyer said, cops are in rage. I was skeptical
Speaker 7: of the Isis videos ten years ago, right so.
Speaker 2: Because I said, when did this? This is a tweet
Speaker 2: from Like, they didn't point out that this is a
Speaker 2: tweet from like eight years ago. Where I reported on
Speaker 2: Fox News saying that the video looks staged, right, and
Speaker 2: then they tried to twist that into they're trying to
Speaker 2: now get the cops on their side. That's the strategy here,
Speaker 2: because the cops hate us as much as these people
Speaker 2: hate us. Because I went to Fox News and said,
Speaker 2: they are claiming that there's that this video might be
Speaker 2: manipulated or stage, which is entirely possible when it comes
Speaker 2: to high profile war footage or propaganda footage. This footage
Speaker 2: comes out of Site intelligence run by Rita Katz, which
Speaker 2: is an Israeli operation.
Speaker 3: Thus the skepticism. Now the debate.
Speaker 2: The dispute became whether or not we can say the
Speaker 2: Coptics are Christian martyrs. We can't say that because we
Speaker 2: don't include people.
Speaker 3: On our calendar outside of the church.
Speaker 2: When I explained this, I said, we don't know those
Speaker 2: people might end up in heaven because in the Orthodox perspective,
Speaker 2: Christ can join people to his mystical body in extra
Speaker 2: normative means, but they're not going to be on our calendar.
Speaker 2: Same reason Thomas Aquinas won't be on the calendar of
Speaker 2: the Orthodox Church celebrated as a saint. So this is
Speaker 2: Kirk or Charlie Kirk exactly. So this is the this
Speaker 2: is so they immediately trying to find any dirt to
Speaker 2: try to pull up to make us look bad. But
Speaker 2: when you actually listen to what the situation is, it
Speaker 2: makes perfect sense.
Speaker 7: But even the mean stream media dout of them. The
Speaker 7: second article here at first too, with the watching post.
Speaker 7: So that was back when he was saying he doubted
Speaker 7: the executions of the twenty one Copday Christians, and AP replied,
Speaker 7: he said, do you agree the Martys were actually beheaded?
Speaker 1: So okay, So, by the way, AP shuts ap. Ap
Speaker 1: is actually, I guess a cacumen becoming you showing about himself.
Speaker 3: No he's not.
Speaker 2: He ran off to Israel and cheated on his wife
Speaker 2: during his catechum in it, and was told multiple times
Speaker 2: to stop teaching theology and debating on the internet because
Speaker 2: he's an Israel shill. And he ran from a debate
Speaker 2: with me on the question of Christian Zionism, right, just
Speaker 2: like all of these dudes were run. And notice I
Speaker 2: even I even explain in my tweet the correct answer.
Speaker 2: I don't know what actually happened in this situation because
Speaker 2: I wasn't there, But we don't call them Christian martyrs
Speaker 2: anymore than we would call a Hesba lah leader a martyr.
Speaker 2: The very point that I was arguing against uh Or
Speaker 2: with Ridbon two years ago. Go ahead, Jamal, I.
Speaker 8: Just want to add in a recent, very recent interview,
Speaker 8: ap also declared he has has been Christianed for a
Speaker 8: year and a half or something, which you know, depending
Speaker 8: on how you communicate that, you know, if he's not
Speaker 8: continuing his catechisis and he's none good standing and on
Speaker 8: his way to baptism, Like, I don't understand how you
Speaker 8: could kind of declared that and and sort of LARPing
Speaker 8: in the interview with his prayer rope and everything, like
Speaker 8: he's fully involved with Orthodoxy.
Speaker 4: It was it was a bitch.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all open, like open Christian Zionists, which
Speaker 2: is the very thing that makes them enable to be
Speaker 2: to become Orthodox online people. So this is who Rouseelan
Speaker 2: has now thrown his his his side, and he's on
Speaker 2: that side, and he doesn't realize that, like do you
Speaker 2: not see that the future of where things are going
Speaker 2: is not Christian Zionism, you dummy? So you're throwing your
Speaker 2: lot in with these idiots and again, I said, look,
Speaker 2: I even explain what I'm talking about here. They're not
Speaker 2: Christian martyrs in the canonical sense of like, are we
Speaker 2: going to put Nosralla on the Orthodox calendar because he
Speaker 2: was a quote martyr for Islam? Of course not. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you just like the word Christian can be used in
Speaker 2: a generic sense because people are quote all self identifying
Speaker 2: loosely as does not mean that we consider them as Christians.
Speaker 2: So the Coptic martyrs might be publicly considered martyrs, but
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Orthodox Church and it's law, it's
Speaker 2: canon law, and it's canonical liturgical celebrations. We are not
Speaker 2: going to call Coptic people Christian saint martyrs.
Speaker 1: And ap says they're actually dishonest.
Speaker 8: Thing here is people would know this and it wouldn't
Speaker 8: be controversial. You would just be saying, yeah, we hold
Speaker 8: the Orthodox position.
Speaker 4: They're like Jay and Andrew like whatever.
Speaker 8: They're trying to like find people and try to present
Speaker 8: it like it's controversial, but it's actually not a controversial
Speaker 8: position from an Orthodox position at Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well right, but Ruslan, who obviously doesn't know ur theology,
Speaker 2: he's they're all just that this is all to try
Speaker 2: to appeal to the lowest common denominator, low IQ evangelical
Speaker 2: audience that they're directed towards. And this is to try
Speaker 2: to get uh dumb Coptic people to support them because
Speaker 2: they don't like us no martyrs.
Speaker 1: Now, ap pointed out that they're old patriarchs. Bartholomew one
Speaker 1: of the big patriarchs. He's not like the Pope, but
Speaker 1: he's up there put out on the same strea when
Speaker 1: David Wit channel that these folks that are kind of
Speaker 1: leading the church are more like coumitical, whence he Protestants
Speaker 1: and Catholics as distant brothers but still brothers the defate stool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that Bartholomew isn't acumenist doesn't prove anything, dummy.
Speaker 2: That'd be like me saying that, well, I find a
Speaker 2: prominent Baptist pastor who's not an acumenist, So I guess
Speaker 2: that means that Protestants shouldn't be a chumnist. I mean
Speaker 2: that's the same, that's the equivalence of it. But Rouselan
Speaker 2: is like Rouselon actually is, and can't debate. So I
Speaker 2: don't know why he thinks that he's going to be
Speaker 2: able to ever debate when if he ever does a debate,
Speaker 2: it will be the biggest slaughter in the history of
Speaker 2: online debates. I hope he actually does it, because he
Speaker 2: is terrible, and even the closest friends to him that
Speaker 2: know him and that we know all tell him, dude,
Speaker 2: you're not a debater. You're gonna get demolished even if
Speaker 2: you go up against Flintess or Candas, all the people
Speaker 2: you've been trying to debate. No, by the way, notice
Speaker 2: as hypocrite one to debate Candace and Flentest for the
Speaker 2: last two years. And then and says, Jay Dyer only
Speaker 2: wants to the big big channels. Captain crack rock channels,
Speaker 2: not bigger than mine, Billy Baptist that I debated his
Speaker 2: channel's not bigger than mine. I don't just debate big channels,
Speaker 2: but I do want to debate big channels because I
Speaker 2: believe I could beat all these big dumb dumbs.
Speaker 1: That's why, dummy, I guess you call it heterodox, but
Speaker 1: within Christendom. Okay, so ay, he pointed that out. So
Speaker 1: this is East Orthodox, asking the the the you know,
Speaker 1: Jay Dyer, the cult of this the cult leader of
Speaker 1: this entire thing about I don't mean literally and just
Speaker 1: mean the way these guys act is very much.
Speaker 4: No, you mean see how he see how backpedals so fast.
Speaker 2: He backpedals so fast because.
Speaker 4: He's flip flips flips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're a cult according to this liar, and
Speaker 2: he tells people to go to a Messianic synagogue where
Speaker 2: they circumcise people. You can't make this up. This is
Speaker 2: kind of unreal.
Speaker 8: Yeah right, Well, further Jay, he you're in a cult, right,
Speaker 8: you're a cult leader. But he called he does a
Speaker 8: call to action for Orthodox priests to go up again.
Speaker 2: Oh, to cancel us. He does a call to action
Speaker 2: to cancel everybody who's a quote Ortho bro as if
Speaker 2: Orthox priests give a shit what this says. So that's
Speaker 2: a cult tactic to call everyone because of quote bad behavior,
Speaker 2: to cancel these people. But we're cults because we actually
Speaker 2: ask people to do public debates. What cult even does
Speaker 2: public debates? You guys are the ones that run from debate.
Speaker 2: You guys are the ones that say, I don't care
Speaker 2: about logic and fallacies. No cult teaches people basic logic.
Speaker 2: We do, duh. We're the opposite of a cult, Bros.
Speaker 1: Is very much like the folks we're told, don't listen
Speaker 1: to other arguments, you know, only stay isolated into this little.
Speaker 2: Thing who says, don't listen to other arguments. You don't
Speaker 2: have any arguments. We're waiting for you to present them, dummy.
Speaker 8: This guy's a lunatic solo to a cult would would
Speaker 8: hide from. Like like Mormonism, they have a very low
Speaker 8: amount of people that can that even try to defend
Speaker 8: their faith, and they're actually people are like, don't do it,
Speaker 8: you know, just just shut up.
Speaker 4: Let's stay in our Mormon little town.
Speaker 8: And but Orthodox people who are at least vocal online,
Speaker 8: we seek the We seek the confrontation. We seek the
Speaker 8: examination of both our own view and other view.
Speaker 4: And we like to compare it like there's nothing you
Speaker 4: could ever find it a cult that went out into.
Speaker 8: The world and put itself in a vulnerable position to
Speaker 8: weaken its leader. Right, Well, that's a total opposite of
Speaker 8: Orthodoxy exactly.
Speaker 2: And far from hiding the arguments of other people, we
Speaker 2: are begging you to do a public debate on the issues.
Speaker 2: This is so bullshit.
Speaker 1: Being in anyone challenges orthodoxy's a that person.
Speaker 2: So he's anybody that challenges Orthodoxy should be able to
Speaker 2: come present the arguments in a debate. This whole stupid
Speaker 2: hip piece here is a steering of the narrative. So
Speaker 2: he's just doing like media attack to try to steer
Speaker 2: the narrative. It's like CNN level stuff. It's nothing to
Speaker 2: do with like formal debates. And because we all know
Speaker 2: this is not going to formally debate.
Speaker 7: He says this to Ja Dyer, and this is Ja
Speaker 7: Dyer's response, like you think actually happened? Do you will
Speaker 7: read the marter's actually been? And Jay says, I don't
Speaker 7: know what happened. I don't call them martyrs anymore than
Speaker 7: I call Hesbala.
Speaker 2: Leaders a martyr. Yeah, exactly, So they're not martyrs because
Speaker 2: they weren't martyred for the true Church, and they're basically
Speaker 2: in the same category as hezbladjihaties he wouldn't the Uman.
Speaker 2: So this read actually thinks that me just stating the
Speaker 2: Orthodox position that we don't have martyrs outside of the church,
Speaker 2: which means canonically received and accepted as saints in the calendar.
Speaker 2: He thinks that's the same thing as a person who
Speaker 2: is an independent funnel as Baptist cult leader, right, who
Speaker 2: says that you have to be in my ifb cult
Speaker 2: to be saved. By the way, again, we publicly reject
Speaker 2: the confessions of the heterodox groups. We don't make determinations
Speaker 2: on individuals salvation. And in the case of these Coptic martyrs,
Speaker 2: I said so called, it's entirely possible that they could
Speaker 2: be united to the mystical body through baptism of desire.
Speaker 3: Or something like that, baptism of blood.
Speaker 2: We don't know. But what I do know is that
Speaker 2: they're not going to be on the Orthodox calendar. That's
Speaker 2: what I said, and that's what I meant. Of course,
Speaker 2: they don't know anything about that. They don't care.
Speaker 7: Those guys matters because they're Ouside Druch, just like these
Speaker 7: cops square.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now this is an important stinction to me because
Speaker 1: again within East Orthodoxy, there seems to be some division
Speaker 1: on this particular issue.
Speaker 2: This is also a fallacy, by the way, So what
Speaker 2: because there are ecumenists in the world of Orthodoxy, this
Speaker 2: somehow means that, ah, you see Orthodox they don't agree.
Speaker 2: They don't agree. Yeah, but all that shows is that
Speaker 2: people disagree. That doesn't prove Orthodoxy falls.
Speaker 1: I wanna say They've had some councils about this, and
Speaker 1: I want to say ten out of the fourteen or
Speaker 1: fifteen different they would say Differentthodox churchrees, but different, you know, Roman,
Speaker 1: the Romanians, the Russians, a good chunk of them are
Speaker 1: actually becoming more ecumenical that some even say they might.
Speaker 2: There were some councils about this. What where were the ecumenical?
Speaker 2: Where were the humanist councils?
Speaker 1: ROUSLM churches were different, you know, Roman the Romanian.
Speaker 2: Let's make sure I heard what he said there.
Speaker 4: Let's go back.
Speaker 1: I want to say, they've had some councils about this,
Speaker 1: and I want to say ten out of the fourteen
Speaker 1: or fifteen different, they would say differ Orthodoxy.
Speaker 2: So accord to Ruslan, there were some ten of the
Speaker 2: jurisdictions that were doing acumenist councils. Okay, what are those, Ruslan?
Speaker 2: What are you even talking about? Churches were different, you
Speaker 2: know Romi the he probably means the council Creed, which
Speaker 2: is a big failure, didn't go anywhere. That must be
Speaker 2: what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Manians, the Russians, a good chunk of them are actually
Speaker 1: becoming more ecumenical that some even say they might have
Speaker 1: their Vatican too moment where they.
Speaker 2: Uh, interesting, I like how he's liking it to Vatican two,
Speaker 2: which has proven our point. Right, So if it's like
Speaker 2: Vatican two and it's acumenism, that's actually an argument in
Speaker 2: our favor because our whole argument is that Vatican.
Speaker 3: Two departed from the tradition of the Church. So Rouslan
Speaker 3: is indirectly disproving a novsorder Catholicism too. Did you want
Speaker 3: to say something to them.
Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, based on his reasoning is criteria for a
Speaker 8: division then pretty much like the entirety of the early
Speaker 8: Church and keeping it in one piece throughout the ages,
Speaker 8: he has to say like it was divided the whole time,
Speaker 8: right that, like he how could he go back with
Speaker 8: this argument, back to the beginning of the church and
Speaker 8: everything that followed, How could he trust any of that
Speaker 8: based on this one thing that that people disagreed on.
Speaker 4: Stuff I just don't understand.
Speaker 2: Well, again, not only do these individuals themselves not know
Speaker 2: basic logical fallacies, they actually are trusting as well that
Speaker 2: emotional appeals will score a lot better with their audience
Speaker 2: than actual logical argumentation and church history and theology or
Speaker 2: exactly true. Actually, so from a tactics perspective, this was
Speaker 2: actually smarter Rouseelan to do this level type of appeal
Speaker 2: because he has a he has a audience. So here
Speaker 2: we have, for example, in the Niceno Constapolitan Creed, you
Speaker 2: have this statement, we confess one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.
Speaker 2: That's in the Niceno Constabpolitan Creed. And when we look
Speaker 2: at the people who compose that creed at Constantinople one,
Speaker 2: if we look at the Cappadocians, then we look at
Speaker 2: the theology for the succeeding centuries. The way that that
Speaker 2: was understood was you believe in baptismal regeneration and you
Speaker 2: believe in a visible institutional entity, the Orthodox Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: And Rome, by the way, agrees that that was the
Speaker 2: perspective for the first thousand years. Right, So accepting the
Speaker 2: post Novasorto, the Latin Church, even though we think they
Speaker 2: were in schism, even the Latin Papal Church up until Vatican.
Speaker 3: Two agreed that for the first thousand years of the church.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was absolutely the case that there was one
Speaker 2: visible institutional body that makes up what the one Holy
Speaker 2: Catholic Apostolic church is those are the four marks, right,
Speaker 2: No rap church existed. There is no rap church that
Speaker 2: has the four marks.
Speaker 1: Acknowledge that folk who a outside the church and still
Speaker 1: expand salvation. But there are more of these hardliners, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately the face of the Orthodox are the more hardliners.
Speaker 1: If you're not use North act, you're not a Christian,
Speaker 1: you don't have salvation. Okay, So it's a big mess
Speaker 1: internally within their own So.
Speaker 2: This is another lie. We never made the determination of
Speaker 2: individuals that they cannot ever be in some way united
Speaker 2: to the mystical body. We don't know people's destinies. What
Speaker 2: we know is that their public confessions in those religions
Speaker 2: are heterodox, and we have a duty to tell them
Speaker 2: to become Orthodox. So but I mean, of course, this
Speaker 2: dude is not ever going to care about nuance.
Speaker 1: Ranks and the overlap with the patriarch in Russia. One
Speaker 1: of patrios in Russia who's a millionaire in business with Putin,
Speaker 1: has a lot of overlap with the Russian government.
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go. And by the way, this explains
Speaker 2: too why when I went on his stream, he started
Speaker 2: trying to grill me implying and insinuating that I had
Speaker 2: some connection to Russia because I go to ro Court.
Speaker 2: And if you saw the podcast that we did, there
Speaker 2: was this weird section where he suddenly started wanting to
Speaker 2: defend the Ukraine and why Putin bad and all this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And I don't care about criticize Putin.
Speaker 3: You can make a criticism, who doesn't bother me at all.
Speaker 2: But he wanted to turn it into a pro NATO thing,
Speaker 2: which makes me think, why the hell does this dude
Speaker 2: care about NATO? But I also recall I think he
Speaker 2: had from his Armenian heritage, there is some issue with
Speaker 2: Russia which leads to some sort of I don't know
Speaker 2: if it goes back to the Cold War whatever, but
Speaker 2: then it goes back to political animosity that his Armenian
Speaker 2: heritage has with Soviets perhaps, and that's why he's immediately
Speaker 2: turning it into a If you go watch our podcast,
Speaker 2: there's a section where he starts trying to defend NATO,
Speaker 2: and we have about a ten to twenty minute argument
Speaker 2: about whether or not NATO was the source of the
Speaker 2: provocation against Russia, which I think that it was whether
Speaker 2: and I don't have a problem, Like I would criticize
Speaker 2: Putin for example, you know, he's bringing in his own
Speaker 2: type of technocratic stuff. Putin has a two positive attitude
Speaker 2: of Islam in terms of Moscow, right that stuff. That's fine,
Speaker 2: make those criticisms, But how does that make me somehow
Speaker 2: you know, linked to Russia or tied to Russia. So
Speaker 2: these liars are going to keep doing the same old
Speaker 2: thing that they've always tried to do. By the way,
Speaker 2: when Ridvan converted, supposedly immediately what he to do start
Speaker 2: defending the Ukraine. Remember when he told Father Michael Lil
Speaker 2: and Father Whiteford and others that there was no persecution
Speaker 2: Orthodox Church in the Ukraine. And after all of these
Speaker 2: priests called out rid Vaughan, he had to back down
Speaker 2: and admit he was wrong. So but why are these
Speaker 2: people automatically de facto defending all the CIA narratives. That's
Speaker 2: suspicious to me.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys are coming out of the
Speaker 1: Russian Orthodox side on the charts, are like, ooh ooh, big.
Speaker 2: Band Russian Orthodox. But by the way, does he not
Speaker 2: realize that most of the Antiochians who have a connection
Speaker 2: to the Middle East are also not Zionis U dummy,
Speaker 2: It's not just Russians. What are you talking about? And
Speaker 2: Rokor is still very small in the United States, so
Speaker 2: there are plenty of Serbs, there are plenty of Romanians.
Speaker 2: There plenty of people all over the Orthodox Church who
Speaker 2: are not a humanist. But he wants to tie it
Speaker 2: into the political angle because he knows his re evangelical
Speaker 2: audience doesn't know anything about geopolitics, so they're just gonna
Speaker 2: believe the news that Russia bad Putin is the new hill,
Speaker 2: all this nonsense.
Speaker 1: Greeks are chill, you know, other folks at chow. But
Speaker 1: it's the Russian ortho. Oddly enough, my family, you know,
Speaker 1: my mom is Russian Ukrainian. She's nothing by our Median family.
Speaker 2: And so ah, there's the root of it. There's a
Speaker 2: Ukrainian angle to Ruslam. That's why he is defending Ukraine
Speaker 2: and Zelenski. Go watch our podcast where he did. So
Speaker 2: here's this reader defends Zolensky and he's trying to turn
Speaker 2: it into basically, this thirty two minute video is throw
Speaker 2: in any dirt, throw any dirt against the wall that
Speaker 2: you can come up with to make it stick for his.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, it sounds like Jay, you just recently went
Speaker 8: over at mommy's house.
Speaker 4: She cooked him to dinner and gave him an earful.
Speaker 4: He's just remembering some of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like yeah, literally, throw anything against the wall,
Speaker 2: find any dirt, find this old tweet which is a
Speaker 2: nothing burger, throw it against the wall. Dyer's KGB. I
Speaker 2: mean he's running with like the lowest tier shit too. Like, dude,
Speaker 2: you got to do better ops research than this, bro.
Speaker 2: This is weak shit.
Speaker 1: This is all very interesting overlap with the corrupt side
Speaker 1: of the Russian Orthodox, particularly that's in business and in bed.
Speaker 2: With By the way, how does he know that Kirol
Speaker 2: is a billionaire? Who is what is this from the
Speaker 2: New York Times? I mean, did you go to rap
Speaker 2: church that asked.
Speaker 3: For one thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars from your congrests?
Speaker 4: So uh?
Speaker 2: And the source of the supposed I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know what his finances are, But the accusation that Kirol
Speaker 2: is a billionaire, I mean, what's the proof of that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: This is just assertions, and I guarantee it's coming out
Speaker 2: of like the New York Times and other ciam l.
Speaker 1: Pieces, Ladiman Putin and all the issues with Ukraine positive
Speaker 1: Like he's like and the billionaire who's an ecumenist.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like wait a minute, yeah, what hold on,
Speaker 2: So wouldn't that be like wouldn't he be like a
Speaker 2: top player in your in your scheme. But if Kiril
Speaker 2: is an acumenist with who's a billionaire, then he's like
Speaker 2: mastered rap. He's mastered business church. So he should be
Speaker 2: a hero to you.
Speaker 1: Not being in communion with other Easter of the Dox churches.
Speaker 2: So you know, they blame he would be the first
Speaker 2: saint of a rap church, right.
Speaker 1: They point out issues within the non denomn space, in
Speaker 1: the process space, and it's like, man, you have churches
Speaker 1: they're fighting right now that aren't communion with each other's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dummy, this is the low tier. This was Michael
Speaker 2: Lofton's line of argument, you got problems in your church?
Speaker 2: Two dog. Yeah. The argument is not we don't have problems,
Speaker 2: you do, therefore ours is true. The argument is you
Speaker 2: don't have a church at all, You have no conception
Speaker 2: of church. So it matters largely what the problem is
Speaker 2: not just is there any problem. Of course, everybody has problems.
Speaker 2: Every church has phonies, every church has corruption. The question
Speaker 2: is is your issue a system level defeater? Right? A
Speaker 2: corrupt patriarch, of which there have been many, is not
Speaker 2: a system level defeater for Orthodoxy having no doctrine of
Speaker 2: the church is a system level defeater for your grift
Speaker 2: that won't.
Speaker 4: Even acknowling for in favor of whether it's at the
Speaker 4: level of the social stuff that goes on, like policing
Speaker 4: Orthodox people and how they act and how they talk,
Speaker 4: uh to how the church operates in general.
Speaker 8: Is any arguing from some for some normative structure itself,
Speaker 8: but that he's denying it.
Speaker 4: He's doing both at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a normative structure to control or to try
Speaker 3: to corral the corruption in the church sacraments.
Speaker 1: Okay, now you have to do the research on your
Speaker 1: own for all this stuff. But this is all very
Speaker 1: fairly public information.
Speaker 2: Well, how come you didn't incite any of you? You
Speaker 2: just asserted it, right, Like Kirol is a billionaire? Well,
Speaker 2: where's the proof of that?
Speaker 1: That is standalizing to the church as far as IM concerned,
Speaker 1: And they're upset that. You know, Christians don't want to
Speaker 1: disclose the nominations or avery or David Wood doesn't.
Speaker 2: Want to know. That's not we're not upset because they
Speaker 2: won't say where they go, they won't say what they're defending.
Speaker 2: He's got a oh that like this is so low
Speaker 2: tier dude. I keep just saying to It's just sad
Speaker 2: how little they expect of their audience. They're so cynical
Speaker 2: that they know that the more irrational and the more
Speaker 2: fallacious and the more emotional appeals they do, that will
Speaker 2: actually resonate with their audience.
Speaker 1: Prop everything they're doing in debate who is the One
Speaker 1: True Church?
Speaker 8: And then what joy beharr on the view talk about
Speaker 8: Trump but your but your Trump?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Ruslan has the equivalent of Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2: Exactly one more here.
Speaker 7: So this is from Andrew Wilson, and I want people
Speaker 7: to understand, like what these guys actually believe about people
Speaker 7: outside their church.
Speaker 2: So this is up. But at least we believe something.
Speaker 2: We can't get what you believe.
Speaker 7: But you won't even say Andrew Wilson. Wilson, and he's
Speaker 7: got two memes there. So the meme on the left
Speaker 7: was when it was sent to him to describe what's
Speaker 7: going on the word ros and then he fixed it.
Speaker 7: So I'll show you the about to go.
Speaker 1: Check out this stream with David what he sat down,
Speaker 1: uh with doctor Tony who went over and you know
Speaker 1: it made a long second.
Speaker 2: Jay.
Speaker 8: I just want to point out again they go in between,
Speaker 8: I'm not attacking Orthodoxy, I'm attacking Ortho bros. But this
Speaker 8: is an Orthodox position about martyrs, right, This is not
Speaker 8: Andrew Wilson and Jay Dyer's like personal like you didn't
Speaker 8: conjure this yourself, you know when they were talking about that.
Speaker 4: So they keep switching, they keep switching. No, I'm not,
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 8: I'm not attacking Eastern Orthodoxy the the theology, but I'm
Speaker 8: attacking Andrew Wilson.
Speaker 4: And yeah, but MENI pants.
Speaker 2: But Tony Costa's whole podcast is actually against orthodox theology.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: And look behind Tony Costa, he's got a minora. Why
Speaker 2: does the Calvinists have a anora in the background? Can
Speaker 2: you guys see that? Are you noticing a pattern? And
Speaker 2: by the way, Tony Costa asked me to debate in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen or eighteen. I said yes, and then he
Speaker 2: backed out because I was too mean, quote unquote. These
Speaker 2: are the absolute coward they're the most pussy footed cowards
Speaker 2: on the internet. Dude, these people are so snaky, cowardly pathetic.
Speaker 2: They don't have any actual argumentation. The only strategy here
Speaker 2: is make as much fuss about orthobro bad anything to
Speaker 2: avoid an actual debate. And they'd learned nothing from the
Speaker 2: Roman Catholics who did this exact same strategy. Now a
Speaker 2: little side note, I don't know if this is true
Speaker 2: because I don't follow the drama, but according to Scamshamouh,
Speaker 2: Michael Lofton is so tired of the papacy in Pope's
Speaker 2: planning that he's actually all he does on his channel,
Speaker 2: according to scamshamoo is bitch about the Israel conflict. So basically,
Speaker 2: Sam shamou alleges that Lofton is on the edge of
Speaker 2: agnosticism and atheism because he's so let down by the
Speaker 2: papacy in the last year or so, because all it
Speaker 2: is is political drama streams now, he doesn't care about apologetics.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting because Michael Lofton for the last several
Speaker 2: years had the exact same strategy as these goobers. These
Speaker 2: goobers are doing what Lofton did and guess what it's
Speaker 2: going to be the exact same trajectory. When you defend
Speaker 2: incessantly bullshit nonsense and use this as a deflective technique
Speaker 2: to not actually address the issues or to do an
Speaker 2: actual debate, what ends up happening is you will burn out.
Speaker 2: You will go off into the irrelevance sphere. You will
Speaker 2: become totally irrelevant like Lofton has because you're defending the indefensible.
Speaker 1: Pace against East Orthodoxy that I thought was very good.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, I thought you weren't against the Orthodoxy,
Speaker 2: was just against the Orthol bros. But here he is
Speaker 2: promoting a live stream against Eastern Orthodoxy itself, so proving
Speaker 2: cleave and made by Jim Bob's point that they shift
Speaker 2: back and forth between I'm not against orthodox it's just
Speaker 2: the evil Ortho bros. By the way, here's a ten
Speaker 2: point refutation of Orthodoxy.
Speaker 1: And you can come to your own conclusions on some
Speaker 1: of this sort of stuff.
Speaker 7: Actual memes. This is the first one to say, Okay,
Speaker 7: so this one and I believe.
Speaker 2: So look at this. This is how this is so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: They're arguing about memes like leftists bitching about memes and
Speaker 2: none of them will do a formal debate. Who cannot
Speaker 2: see through this they're arguing about memes.
Speaker 8: The crazy part is the meme itself exposes what we're
Speaker 8: trying to get them to defend. Like they didn't even
Speaker 8: understand that this meme, the meme correction that Andrew did
Speaker 8: was spot on, and they're like, oh, this is the worst.
Speaker 8: You're like, that's literally what we're saying. You guys, you're
Speaker 8: not actually saving the person exactly.
Speaker 7: You're saying, help me, she's on fire, go anywhere. And
Speaker 7: a Christian runs up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see, that's the irony here, is that the
Speaker 2: guy with the water hose is like pulling up and
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, but uh uh. In other words, there's
Speaker 2: no water in the hose because you're not telling them
Speaker 2: where to go. Just go to Jesus.
Speaker 9: Bro.
Speaker 2: Imagine being an ad iq Muslim who actually does want
Speaker 2: to convert, like Jim Bob said, and your response is, uh,
Speaker 2: here's a two thousand page extremely difficult book. Good luck.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I mean, what are you talking about.
Speaker 7: Don't worry, here comes the water of life. So this
Speaker 7: is this is meant to describe preaching the Gospel to
Speaker 7: the person everything, and then he finds out what they
Speaker 7: we don't agree.
Speaker 2: Or believe that you have the gospel. You're just assuming
Speaker 2: that anti Islamianity is the gospel. That is what is
Speaker 2: in question.
Speaker 3: So come prove that.
Speaker 2: Oh they can't.
Speaker 7: And it's the host is working. And it's because in
Speaker 7: Port the bro has.
Speaker 1: First, let's settle with a real fire fighters between the
Speaker 1: two of us.
Speaker 2: No again, he's all, this was so funny.
Speaker 1: I got here.
Speaker 7: Wilsons response, He said, he fixed it. He said to
Speaker 7: fix he fixed the meme. So here's his meme, s
Speaker 7: it's unbeliever Numliever's on fire. And then a fireman runs
Speaker 7: up and you see it's not small there. But the
Speaker 7: fireman's says Protestant Christian. Protestant Christian is Protestant, and the
Speaker 7: Protestant Christian is actually trying to pour gasoline, trying to
Speaker 7: put out the fire with gasoline.
Speaker 2: And then it's accurately, that's an accurate assessment. So hey,
Speaker 2: flea Islam, it's a terrible gnostic Talmudic judaizing sect. Where
Speaker 2: should I go to the tealumutic judaizing sect across the
Speaker 2: streets exactly to the synagogue that you send people to.
Speaker 2: So here is again Rouselan sends people to this circumcising synagogue.
Speaker 2: This should be the end of all of it, right
Speaker 2: here there. There should be no more. This shouldn't even
Speaker 2: be a debate after this. But again, the people in
Speaker 2: these spheres are so dumb that they don't even see
Speaker 2: a problem with sending Young Dong to a circum.
Speaker 1: To a circle, so launching up something sweeter recipe that
Speaker 1: was more so, it's.
Speaker 4: All emotion to this.
Speaker 8: He just totally doesn't get the point of it, and
Speaker 8: he goes right into just like moralizing.
Speaker 2: That's because he doesn't understand actually how to debate. He
Speaker 2: thinks that debate is just what he's doing, where you
Speaker 2: just try to present the best smear tactics because it's
Speaker 2: all adiq shit anyway for his audience.
Speaker 7: The Orthodox guy who unhooks it to keep the Protestant
Speaker 7: Christian from pouring gasoline on this parson.
Speaker 1: I mean, what amazing, what amazing heroes the Orthorpe.
Speaker 2: What amazing, You're amazing it's all just emo.
Speaker 1: What amazing heroes of that? I mean, if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for them, who else would be going on all these
Speaker 1: streams and calling all these women hores. Who else would
Speaker 1: be the most insufferable people on the Internet.
Speaker 2: So wait a minute, that's not all Andrew does and
Speaker 2: just just go on streams and call people whoes. Right,
Speaker 2: if you go through the total catalog of the countless
Speaker 2: times that he has been on whatever podcast and debated
Speaker 2: and argued with countless feminists, the instances of that actually
Speaker 2: happening is very small. And by the way, some women
Speaker 2: are actually hores, dummy, So.
Speaker 3: Why would it be wrong to say when many women
Speaker 3: actually self identify as.
Speaker 2: Hoes to say that. Secondly, the ortho bros mistreating women
Speaker 2: is very minimal compared to what is actually going on
Speaker 2: out there when you look at real sins and real problems.
Speaker 2: Let me give an example. What's worse an ortho bro
Speaker 2: being mean on X And by the way, anybody can
Speaker 2: create a profile. Who even knows if real bros are
Speaker 2: this ian. I saw a profile the other day. It
Speaker 2: was supposedly an ortho bro literally just created no comments.
Speaker 2: The only comment was it's time to legalize grape dude.
Speaker 2: That's not all. That's who anybody could do that. That
Speaker 2: could be Gavin's so pro soccer. I don't know that
Speaker 2: it is. I'm just saying allegedly it could it's a
Speaker 2: it's a joke.
Speaker 1: But uh.
Speaker 2: Compare that to Gavin Ortland's church hiring a known skittles
Speaker 2: pastor secretly married to a man. They knew it, they
Speaker 2: still hired him, and then only after people called it
Speaker 2: out did they say, Okay, it's time for him to
Speaker 2: be dismissed. Now what's worse and where is uh? Where
Speaker 2: is Rouselin calling out Gavin Skittle's church. Oh he didn't call,
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'll just add that it says a
Speaker 4: lot that the only fans horror is more willing to
Speaker 4: debate her view than you are.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, that was a sick burner there exactly.
Speaker 1: Else would be coddling next to the grapers and the
Speaker 1: racist who dropping the N word on ironically?
Speaker 2: Oh oh there we go. So we race this over
Speaker 2: in this sphere. We racist because they're dropping the N
Speaker 2: word all all. Ruselawn, the social justice warrior of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Six, he rose on these guys, man, they're really fighting.
Speaker 2: Ru's on you, a dumb how's that.
Speaker 1: The against the real evils of the world, which is
Speaker 1: Christians putting out fires and doing all the evangelize.
Speaker 2: The real evils of the world. How about gay church
Speaker 2: that you never called out that you're best buddies with.
Speaker 1: Oh, and by the way, translating all the Church Fathers
Speaker 1: and the Patristian Fathers for you guys, and getting you
Speaker 1: guys copies of the Bible.
Speaker 2: Who who translating the Church Fathers for your guys? What
Speaker 2: you're talking about, you dummy. The Greeks already had the
Speaker 2: translation for a centuries. The Orthodox already had the Church
Speaker 2: Fathers translated natively into Greek, you dummy. Oh But because
Speaker 2: an Anglican translated the Philip shaft set, this guy is
Speaker 2: a red.
Speaker 1: House could do this, then the orthopros Uh huh, yes,
Speaker 1: so this is this is this is how they view this.
Speaker 2: That was the weirdest like flex ever because Philip Schaff
Speaker 2: translated the Church father set as if there weren't Rummy
Speaker 2: Calloch translations already of the Church Fathers before Philip Chef.
Speaker 1: I'm making this thing joy the work because it seems
Speaker 1: like the vast majority of these Eastern Orthodox cities or
Speaker 1: regions are becoming more incumenical, whichhich I think isa because
Speaker 1: I think these stupid personally think these stupid things to find.
Speaker 3: This is a stupid argument anyway.
Speaker 2: That'd be like saying, well, many Western countries are becoming
Speaker 2: more gay, so I guess gay's good and it's winning great.
Speaker 1: I do hey real quick, Whether you a Protestant, Orthodox, Catholic,
Speaker 1: or maybe you're not even sure what you are, here
Speaker 1: is something that every follower of Jesus can knock arms on.
Speaker 2: Oh no, what's he trying to sell? Now, let's see
Speaker 2: what his sales pitch is. I hope it's something good?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Consulting with Rousselan's pastor, which costs one thousand dollars an
Speaker 2: hour for the full package on how to plan a church?
Speaker 2: And by the way, Rachel had a great idea. I
Speaker 2: bet you if you were a woman and you paid
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars to Rousselan's pastor on how to church plant,
Speaker 2: he would tell you how as a woman to be
Speaker 2: a preacher and church plant.
Speaker 3: Somebody needs to test.
Speaker 2: That out to see if they will. So you know
Speaker 2: that Rouselan's pastor charges like one thousand dollars for the
Speaker 2: full package to consult on how to church plant. And
Speaker 2: Rachel had a good idea that a woman should call
Speaker 2: and pay that money to see if they will teach
Speaker 2: a woman how to preach and teach at a church plant,
Speaker 2: because I bet you for one thousand dollars they will.
Speaker 4: That would be amazing, it would.
Speaker 2: Be In fact, I may have to start. I may
Speaker 2: start offering these people money to debate, because number one,
Speaker 2: then it will show that they're grifters, because they actually
Speaker 2: will debate. If I offer them like two or three
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to do a debate, like, will that make
Speaker 2: them actually do the debate? And then if they will
Speaker 2: do the debate, it'll show that they're grifters. And then
Speaker 2: they'll also they'll lose. Right, So I'm gonna I can
Speaker 2: tempt them with their advice the nature to pile on
Speaker 2: and to just here's rouselan. He's going to respond to
Speaker 2: being called a grifter because he's been called a grifter before.
Speaker 2: So let's see, it was spons of.
Speaker 1: This harassed people online has led me to actually learn
Speaker 1: something from harass.
Speaker 2: All right now, he claims he's being harassed because people
Speaker 2: are calling him a grifter. You're not being harassed, dummy.
Speaker 1: Dire a valuable lesson, which is how to use that
Speaker 1: block butt no X, It's become one of my favorite pastimes.
Speaker 1: This is just a block.
Speaker 2: He learned that from me. This is one truth statement here.
Speaker 1: He learned to block people from me orthopros on X
Speaker 1: because the utter brainbot that came out, and one of
Speaker 1: things that came out on X was we talked about
Speaker 1: this before prior to twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: when I started making primarily Christian content, I discovered my
Speaker 1: winger in like twenty nineteen. I was making marketing videos
Speaker 1: for Christians who are trying to become full time with
Speaker 1: their art or with their businesses or fill in the blank, okay,
Speaker 1: And a lot of these clips of me have been
Speaker 1: clipped out of context when I'm speaking to marketing gurus
Speaker 1: like brand Man Sean on trying to tell Christians learn
Speaker 1: how to build an audience, monetize an audience, convert.
Speaker 2: No, no, you don't. You misunderstood. We always said that
Speaker 2: it was always your scheme to create business. Church dummy,
Speaker 2: let's play this. This is it right here.
Speaker 5: I got two hundred thousand, bro, I got the following,
Speaker 5: I got twenty eight thousand, I got two hundred thousand
Speaker 5: on taktok hundred thoand how do I monetize these people?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? How do I monetize these people?
Speaker 4: And through covetousness shall they with?
Speaker 1: No? What is you got to figure out what what
Speaker 1: is your product going to be? What can you sell people?
Speaker 1: That's the actual question, right. So we can push the
Speaker 1: foot around and we can say, oh, like I want
Speaker 1: to have a ministry and I want to do this,
Speaker 1: and I want to do that, right, But what we're
Speaker 1: really asking is like, how do I build a business?
Speaker 2: That sounds to me like you That sounds to me
Speaker 2: so explicit. Yeah, Rouslin, I don't think you're telling the
Speaker 2: truth here because that sounds like you're actually saying business
Speaker 2: church bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually said the distinction.
Speaker 8: The real question he didn't say, the real question is
Speaker 8: how do we keep our ministry alive and get people
Speaker 8: to salvation though they don't have access to that?
Speaker 4: Really, so he said it explicitly. He's pretending, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm just helping Christians build their business for the home,
Speaker 4: for the for their so they can pay for the
Speaker 4: plant their church, you know, coaching session. It's like he's
Speaker 4: not trying to be pious about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here here's his pastor again with two thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a month consult consultation calls on how to start
Speaker 2: a church and how the church plant. In other words,
Speaker 2: it's Don Lapriz's marketing scheme. Dummy. All rouseland did was
Speaker 2: take the marketing scheme and apply it to the church.
Speaker 2: The church that they set up, that they do is
Speaker 2: a marketing scheme, a La Ruselan's Peter Drucker style marketing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That's the point, dummy.
Speaker 1: And you admitted it right here when you said this
Speaker 1: money and you got to figure out what what is
Speaker 1: your product gonna be? What can you sell people? That's
Speaker 1: the actual question, right. So we can push you foot
Speaker 1: around and we can say, oh, like I want to
Speaker 1: have a ministry and I want to do this and
Speaker 1: I want to do that, right, But what we're really
Speaker 1: asking is like, how do I build a business. I
Speaker 1: don't really care about how many fill I have. I
Speaker 1: need those metrics to an extent for the for the
Speaker 1: credibility of them, but I'm more thinking what is my
Speaker 1: bank account going to look like?
Speaker 2: This is a marketing sameless he's so shameless. This is
Speaker 2: a marketing who decided I'll take all of this and
Speaker 2: do business. Church and now here's his defense.
Speaker 1: People so they can make a living and sustain themselves. Okay,
Speaker 1: now this is this is all these videos a back up.
Speaker 1: So one of these has been clip is me talking
Speaker 1: to Brandman Shaw, who's market guy actual talk about Bram
Speaker 1: Sean on book I the Ambition. You should go get that.
Speaker 1: It's a great book.
Speaker 2: You we talking about it even promotes the book in
Speaker 2: the middle of.
Speaker 1: This Sean And I'm sitting here talking to conversation.
Speaker 8: If I remember correctly, the duty's talking to go a
Speaker 8: little bit weirded out and pushed back a little bit
Speaker 8: and was like, eh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we remember watching that.
Speaker 2: We played that clip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we played that clip on the other Streen the
Speaker 3: one he's talking about.
Speaker 1: A community of Christian rappers were doing good music, but
Speaker 1: they don't know how to build out. He says, have
Speaker 1: a clip where I say, Hey, I got this many followers.
Speaker 1: How I monetize these people's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were a Christian rapper and it didn't
Speaker 2: go anywhere, and then you turned that into business church.
Speaker 2: That's what we're saying. We're saying that you didn't make
Speaker 2: it as a rapper because you saw it and then
Speaker 2: you just decided to become business church rap man clip
Speaker 2: as if.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about monetizing people, not a Christian artist who
Speaker 1: selling Chrisian music, But how do I monesize these people
Speaker 1: that I'm selling the gospel to?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: I think, how do I monetize these people selling the
Speaker 2: gospel to?
Speaker 4: Selling the gospel?
Speaker 2: Let's hear that again, Let's hear that again. Let me
Speaker 2: let me it's going too fast.
Speaker 3: Let me go back to normal speed, and then I
Speaker 3: might go to slow slow motion too music?
Speaker 1: But how do I monetize these people that I'm selling
Speaker 1: the gospel to? Now?
Speaker 3: I think if you are, oh, bruise runs again, can't help.
Speaker 3: Let's build the beans. And this is how all fraudsters are.
Speaker 3: They can't help at times, but to say what's really
Speaker 3: going on, Let's do it in slow mo.
Speaker 2: This is going to be fun.
Speaker 1: Have a clip where I say, hey, I got this
Speaker 1: many followers. How do I monetize these people? That's been
Speaker 1: clipped as if I'm talking about monetizing these people. Not
Speaker 1: a Christian artists who's selling Christian music, But how do
Speaker 1: I monetize these people that I'm selling the gospel to? Now?
Speaker 1: I think if you are confused on what we do here.
Speaker 1: We don't sell the gospel. The gospel is free, is
Speaker 1: available everyone everywhere you can walk into one.
Speaker 4: Is he was doing. He's always doing little band aid work,
Speaker 4: isn't he?
Speaker 2: So from a metrics standpoint, if what really mattered was
Speaker 2: the gospel, wouldn't you care about the following over the money?
Speaker 2: So you saw what he just said right there, he said,
Speaker 2: I don't actually care about the following numbers. Well, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute. If it was about getting the free
Speaker 2: gospel out, wouldn't that be more important than the monetary metrics?
Speaker 1: Almost any church in America get a free copy. But
Speaker 1: we've been making videos and merchandise and all this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. And I've been doing this as a public Christian.
Speaker 1: So this clip gets weaponized against me. Every six months
Speaker 1: this comes up. It's utterly bad faith. There's also all
Speaker 1: sorts of other accusations, tax on my church, so on
Speaker 1: and so forth. So soone posted this clip and I reply.
Speaker 2: He just noticed he handwaves quote attacks on his church.
Speaker 2: You're talking about stupid ass rap church that charges two
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to consult with your pastor. Notice how he
Speaker 2: just handwaived that right a tax on my church. This
Speaker 2: dummy says it in the clip, he gives it away,
Speaker 2: and now he's got a backpedal with.
Speaker 1: One of the screenshots of seemingly orthodox churches charging for
Speaker 1: the sacrament of baptism, simply pointing out, Hey, if you're
Speaker 1: going to attack me for helping Christian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Ruslin, this has been addressed and you know
Speaker 2: that it wasn't charging for the sacrament of baptism. You've
Speaker 2: been correcting on this multiple times, so now he's just
Speaker 2: straight a line, right because he keeps pushing this. But
Speaker 2: would you, Rossel, would you care to correct us on
Speaker 2: Pastor Jeff Moore's deep dive consulting for two thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a month on how to church plant church more like,
Speaker 2: y'all's a bunch of church plants for reals, dog.
Speaker 1: Seven years ago, six years ago, figure out how to
Speaker 1: monetize their audiences.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the fact that you were working
Speaker 2: with Christian rappers seven years ago is actually worse for you, dummy,
Speaker 2: because you were trying to tell them how to get
Speaker 2: paid with religion seven years ago. That's basically admitting, Yo,
Speaker 2: I've been in this griff game for almost a decade.
Speaker 3: Son, He's admitting it again.
Speaker 1: And not see the plank in your own eye of
Speaker 1: you guys seemingly charging for the sacrament of backs.
Speaker 2: So he knows he's been corrected. He knows he's been corrected.
Speaker 2: He knows he's been corrected on this. But the way
Speaker 2: to keep using this fake, fake bunch of moralizing is
Speaker 2: to say seemingly exactly, oh man, like that, that's like,
Speaker 2: that's why you say allegedly in media so you don't
Speaker 2: get sued.
Speaker 1: Right as are beyond cooked. Right now, Do I think
Speaker 1: every Orthodox church is charging for baptisms?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Do think? Do I think this is a normative process
Speaker 1: in their church? No?
Speaker 2: Ruslan the difference also here, let's say, for the sake
Speaker 2: of argument, that there was an Orthodox church that was
Speaker 2: actually charging for the sacram of baptism. The irony is
Speaker 2: that what your dumb church does is ten times worse.
Speaker 2: I don't mean Protestantism as a quote church. It's not
Speaker 2: a church, your rap church. It's ten times.
Speaker 3: Worse, dummy. That's the accusation.
Speaker 1: But the point is, Hey, we're helping Christians figure out
Speaker 1: a way to make a living for themselves, figure out
Speaker 1: a way to provide for their families. Who are artists?
Speaker 1: Six years ago, I don't talk about stuff as much anymore,
Speaker 1: and I may.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's embarrassing. That's why you don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see it. Because you weren't. Yeah, because you didn't,
Speaker 2: you were not actually a successful quote Christian marketing guru.
Speaker 2: You realize if I really want to get paid, I
Speaker 2: got to store a church online. Well, this is what
Speaker 2: you said again.
Speaker 1: I like shoes and I like money, and you gotta
Speaker 1: figure out what is your product gonna be? What can
Speaker 1: you sell people? That's the actual question.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So we can push he foot around and we can say, oh,
Speaker 1: like I want to have a ministry and I want
Speaker 1: to do this, and I want to do that, right,
Speaker 1: But what we're really asking is like, how.
Speaker 2: Do I build a business? So he's defending trying to
Speaker 2: monetize dumb Christian rappers. He uses the same strategy when
Speaker 2: he went into business church, and now he's got to
Speaker 2: try to make sense of all that. He's got to
Speaker 2: try to spend the narrative like ceeingn or something to say, Look,
Speaker 2: I was just trying to help people get back. I
Speaker 2: was trying to feed the kids. Bro, you do it
Speaker 2: so you want kids to go hungry. You want kids
Speaker 2: to go hungry in the hood.
Speaker 1: Some comments that I've apologized for, particularly the F you comment,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm clearly in a different studio.
Speaker 2: I looked, Oh, well, you got a different studio now, right,
Speaker 2: so it don't count. Listen if I got a different studio,
Speaker 2: so when I go back to Florida, if I'm in
Speaker 2: my Florida room doing a live stream, everything else, say
Speaker 2: that prior doesn't count. According to rus Line, I'm in
Speaker 2: a different studio now, I don't count exactly control.
Speaker 1: Z Dog, particularly the F you comment, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm clearly in a different studio.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know Rusean said a four letter word.
Speaker 2: Look at this, Look at this dumb hypocrite, he said,
Speaker 2: F you.
Speaker 3: And now all the Ortho bros.
Speaker 2: Is bad. And by the way, he's in a different studio.
Speaker 2: If you say a cuss word, just get go to
Speaker 2: you gotta get a different studio to make up for it.
Speaker 1: They're families who are artists. Six years ago, I don't
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff as much anymore. And I made
Speaker 1: some comments that I've apologized for, particularly the F you comment,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm clearly in a different studio. I
Speaker 1: look totally different. I'm wearing a beanie, wearing enough.
Speaker 4: What is this, dude, dude? What?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Clearly so this that was a different sim this read
Speaker 2: that's talking about.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: I had different downloadable content skins on back then. Dog,
Speaker 2: I'm different, bro. I got a different costume, man.
Speaker 4: Dude, I like Jordan's like they were good. Don't get
Speaker 4: me wrong, they were, but they're different ones. I got
Speaker 4: like new ones from like you know, dude, total back then.
Speaker 4: I don't even wear that style anymore.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: Back then, I had an orange beanie. I was wearing
Speaker 2: Georgs Michael Jordan's. I got a different dripped down dog.
Speaker 2: I'm a different person.
Speaker 1: This is the dog.
Speaker 4: I didn't this arm sleeve yet.
Speaker 2: I didn't have this green tattoo right here, A slimer.
Speaker 2: I got a slimmer tattoo on my right arm. Do
Speaker 2: we see that slimmer right there? I'm a different person, bro.
Speaker 1: The peak of leftist brain rot of trying to take
Speaker 1: when when leftists would take stuff from uh people's Twitter accounts.
Speaker 2: Dude, leftist brain rot. He thinks what we're doing is
Speaker 2: leftist brainwrot. You all have mastered the SPLC leftist technique
Speaker 2: of immediately saying the Ortho bros Are a dangerous cult.
Speaker 2: It's gonna end darkly. There's a dark cloud above the
Speaker 2: or FO Bros. And it's gonna end bad all this
Speaker 2: stupid leftist bullshit talking point. But we're the leftist tactics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, ten years ago something stupid they said when
Speaker 1: they were younger.
Speaker 2: And then this ain't ten years ago, dummy, This is
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Era, repurposing it and literally canceling people to that. They
Speaker 1: tried to do this to Kevin Hart. This is what
Speaker 1: they tried to do to me.
Speaker 8: And look he's admitting it's bad, Like you gotta choose, dude.
Speaker 8: You could just say, look, that sounded really bad. You know,
Speaker 8: I was after money, I was after something else. I
Speaker 8: could see how that's not a good look. It sounded wrong.
Speaker 8: I wasn't motivated by the right things. Then, no, he
Speaker 8: doesn't say that, he defends it.
Speaker 4: But then he's saying all the bringing up stuff that's old,
Speaker 4: well does it make you look bad or not? Like
Speaker 4: which is it?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: And it's not that old. By the way. In COVID,
Speaker 2: he was defending pro trans pro skittles. Andrew Yang was
Speaker 2: all he was part of Yanggang, So that's not that
Speaker 2: long ago. I'm in a new studio. Dog, I got
Speaker 2: a different haird I got a broccoli offro Now, Dog,
Speaker 2: I'm straight up, I'm reformed.
Speaker 1: Held Why because they again grossmyscalculation. If I'm a grifter
Speaker 1: and Avery's a grifter, and David Wood's a grifter and
Speaker 1: Ip's a grifter, then that word loses meaning.
Speaker 2: Only if they are not in fact grifters. But if
Speaker 2: they are in fact grifters, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: It doesn't lose meaning, it doesn't mean anything, because I
Speaker 1: think the audience is sophisticated and smart enough to say, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a minute.
Speaker 2: He thinks he knows his audiences, and that's why he's
Speaker 2: pandering to every emotional appeal.
Speaker 1: Roussel's not selling us the gospel. Rousseloan is reacting to commentary.
Speaker 1: He's having conversations with different people. He's putting on live events.
Speaker 1: He's selling quality.
Speaker 2: Merch uh Ruselwan. Rouselan charges one thousand dollars or more
Speaker 2: around that to meet him in person, but he ain't
Speaker 2: selling the gospel. Bro by the way, get tickets to
Speaker 2: his live O.
Speaker 1: Man do books predals. It's not the same as monetizing
Speaker 1: a gospel.
Speaker 2: Wait, but how is it not? When you were telling
Speaker 2: the Christian rappers how to monetize the gospel right here?
Speaker 1: So within all of that grossmut calculation and what they've
Speaker 1: done is now Wood is ready to debate the one
Speaker 1: True Church acount where he's getting. He's prepping to what they.
Speaker 2: Do, the grossmith calculation because David would who just learned
Speaker 2: this the other day, is going to debate it. I mean,
Speaker 2: does he think that we are afraid of debating David
Speaker 2: Wood when David Wood just learned these things from Tony Costa.
Speaker 1: Who's done is they've divided themselves amongst themselves and now
Speaker 1: people are pointing out, wait a minute, you're throwing stones
Speaker 1: from a glass house. Okay, Now you have guys like
Speaker 1: JP and Molar and the Christian King out that are
Speaker 1: doing calling streams.
Speaker 4: Dude, is that really like what?
Speaker 8: They are going down to the bottom of the bottom,
Speaker 8: aren't they?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dumbest, lowest tier on the internet is who
Speaker 2: he's got to prop up because they don't have anybody else,
Speaker 2: and so they're going to prop up the lowest tier retail.
Speaker 2: And they think This is going to end well for them.
Speaker 1: That are saying, hey, like, let's go out of this debate.
Speaker 2: And by the way, no, no, no, nobody's going to
Speaker 2: call into those streams. If there's going to be a
Speaker 2: formal debate, it will be on MDD and Alex Sorn
Speaker 2: will debate JP or Maler or whatever those reads. And
Speaker 2: I guarante I'm gonna bet money that that won't never
Speaker 2: even happened. None of these duds is going to do
Speaker 2: a formal debate. They're reads.
Speaker 3: They don't know how to they don't know what the
Speaker 3: word colloquial meansy colloquial, colloquialism, bro, they don't know what
Speaker 3: the pill filo que philooqua is you okay?
Speaker 1: I think this is this. This sucks from one standpoint
Speaker 1: because from my vantage point, there's a difference when people
Speaker 1: have permissible practices like say you want to venerate icons
Speaker 1: and then saying those permissible practices are dogmatic.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we don't care what you think should and
Speaker 3: shouldn't be dogma. Nobody cares.
Speaker 2: We don't care you what you think is best and
Speaker 2: should be audiofra Nobody over here thinking cares.
Speaker 4: What you think.
Speaker 1: Everyone missubmit to your practices, and by dogmatic, these things
Speaker 1: are not negotiable.
Speaker 2: By the way, you're being dogmatic that everybody has to
Speaker 2: not submit to that being dogmatic, you idiot. You're being
Speaker 2: dogmatic about your non dogmatism. Idiot.
Speaker 1: Okay, they're not negotiable, So can you let bygones be
Speaker 1: byg on shore? But if everything is an attack of dumb, sloppy,
Speaker 1: bad arguments against Protestants, and that's how you're monetizing your audience,
Speaker 1: by the way, is sitting around in debating normy Protestants. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's all.
Speaker 2: Through his marketing. Yeah. His first thought was the model?
Speaker 2: What model is die are you using? Oh it's only
Speaker 2: to debate low tier idiots. Uh No, I've debated all
Speaker 2: the top Muslims. I've debated the top atheists. I've debated
Speaker 2: the top Rouman Catholics multiple times over. So it's a
Speaker 2: lie to act like all I do is debate load
Speaker 2: tier people. It's a call in show where anybody can
Speaker 2: call in a debate. And now he's acting like we
Speaker 2: got you due because we got my little army a
Speaker 2: little is going to do the same thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: what nobody's gonna call in because it ain't funny and
Speaker 2: it ain't entertaining.
Speaker 1: And then people say, yeah, well we're going to do
Speaker 1: that to you. We're gonna match that energy.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna match the marketing strategy according to him.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, how many views are they getting? Right? All
Speaker 2: they gotta All they do is through about me every
Speaker 2: day to.
Speaker 1: Get interviews that are younger than I am, Guys that
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you don't have as many responsibliti as
Speaker 1: I do. And they're creating this.
Speaker 2: Guys that have no responsibilities, sitting in a damn in
Speaker 2: gass apartment like JP and cut with sitting in the
Speaker 2: sitting in the corner because he got time out with
Speaker 2: his blank ass apartment.
Speaker 1: Entire new community of Protestant apologists.
Speaker 11: Okay, a new community, dude, this is the biggest This
Speaker 11: is the biggest red on the planet. This is what
Speaker 11: he's got to prop up is these read this is
Speaker 11: awesome because yeah, yes, please let those guys be your representative.
Speaker 2: Apologies, this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: Essentially, David would be one of the gross miscalculation and
Speaker 1: this is all happening on the back.
Speaker 2: Dude, David Wood is not going to formally debate anybody
Speaker 2: on this topic. I guarantee you he won't, and if
Speaker 2: he does, it won't be anybody in our sphere. It
Speaker 2: won't be me. It won't be Jim bob Ra, Alex Soren. Uh,
Speaker 2: he'll find I don't know, some weak person, or he'll
Speaker 2: probably debate a catech human. And then you know that's
Speaker 2: because that's your strategy, right, that's the Ruslan marketing strategy.
Speaker 2: This genius over here, Yoda, What do we put a
Speaker 2: catechumen up against two apologists dividing quonker.
Speaker 1: Drop of god logic being catapulted into mass success because
Speaker 1: of this will have any job stuation them calling him
Speaker 1: a grifter and then doing a U turn and saying
Speaker 1: we're gonna support God logics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Rouselan is too stupid to understand that both
Speaker 2: of those things could be true. I could criticize him
Speaker 2: on the basis of him being inconsistent with sending people
Speaker 2: to messianic judaizing heretical synagogues, but also support the idea
Speaker 2: that he shouldn't be sued for putting up a live stream.
Speaker 2: In Rouslan's stupid mind, those things are mutually exclusive, when
Speaker 2: obviously they're not.
Speaker 1: Go fund me, okay, otther miscalculations. I really don't think
Speaker 1: these guys are very smart sophisticated.
Speaker 2: Think really, are you sure about that? I mean, we're
Speaker 2: over here having NonStop laughs at you, you dumblier. We're
Speaker 2: literally every day. Does Rouselan not realize you want to
Speaker 2: talk about money? Rouselan every stream I've done about you.
Speaker 2: I've made one to one five hundred dollars in superjats
Speaker 2: per stream, so I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about money and marketing strategies. These
Speaker 2: people are not that smart. Also, if we're not that smart,
Speaker 2: we're stupid. Why can't one of you just do a
Speaker 2: public formal debate with me and in me where I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: It should be easy if I'm stupid to do a
Speaker 2: formal debate, send your boy. Gave in root line over here,
Speaker 2: I mean gave it, Gavin Rusalin, Gavin Orland gave in,
Speaker 2: gave in root line.
Speaker 1: They're smart, but it's just a total failure on their part.
Speaker 1: While dealing with at the very issue, at the very
Speaker 1: least optics issues regarding charging for the sacrament of baptism
Speaker 1: and calling guys like God logic and David.
Speaker 3: Again lying again, nobody re charged for the sacrament baptism.
Speaker 2: It keeps the lying.
Speaker 1: But in ip Grifters this is this couldn't be more poetic.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, if you're going to consistently hurl fo
Speaker 1: false and slanderous accusations against myself and friends of mine,
Speaker 1: guess what there's could be the people that are gonna say, okay,
Speaker 1: well two could play that game right now? Is that
Speaker 1: done a good faith? Is it not? Then go off it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what people's motives and intentions are, and
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of good eastan Orthodocs
Speaker 1: folks behind the scenes that a're trying to figure this out.
Speaker 1: And in all of this, I think this is where
Speaker 1: the question comes down to, which I think is really
Speaker 1: a question of faith. Can you have dogmatic views meaning
Speaker 1: dogmas are not up for negotiation, They're not for negotiation.
Speaker 1: You don't get to pick and choose dogmas. Okay, can
Speaker 1: you have dogatavius because in the Storthtock's here.
Speaker 2: Notice what he said there, you don't get to pick
Speaker 2: and choose dogmas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, means of dogma If some of those dogmatic views
Speaker 1: are not in the primary sources, okay, and that's where
Speaker 1: these debates are about to start going. By the way,
Speaker 1: so all this attacking of Sola scripture, all this attacking
Speaker 1: of Protestants, the question becomes, can you have used like
Speaker 1: the intercession of the Saints, which is a does a dogma?
Speaker 1: Can you have used like the veneration of icons which
Speaker 1: is a dogma that when you look at the anti
Speaker 1: nic and fathers.
Speaker 2: Okay, the yeah, you dummy, they're in the primary sources, sources,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna get destroyed when you actually debate these topics.
Speaker 2: Do you understand that we've already been through the stuff
Speaker 2: you're bringing up ten twenty years ago, people on our side.
Speaker 2: Don't you think I already went through this as a
Speaker 2: Protestant converting to Catholicism in two thousand and one. Two, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm already on to this twenty years ago. Don't you
Speaker 2: think I went and read the Apostolic fathers to see
Speaker 2: if they actually support this information. By the way, it's
Speaker 2: not just that it's the Bible. The Bible is icono
Speaker 2: dule dummy.
Speaker 1: Fathers that were writing before the Council, I see it.
Speaker 1: Can you look at the scriptures and not see these
Speaker 1: dogmas in there, and then make these dogmas that you
Speaker 1: must hold overall Christians everywhere. And if we don't agree
Speaker 1: with these dogmas.
Speaker 2: And we're the ones, well that just presupposed the Soul
Speaker 2: scripture a dummy. So what you think is in the
Speaker 2: primary sources in the scriptures presupposed is that the scriptures
Speaker 2: alone are the primary primary sources. And you haven't proven
Speaker 2: that that.
Speaker 1: Are lukewarm or turn junivarsity Questians, and we don't have
Speaker 1: the phones of the trip. And I would say a
Speaker 1: reasonab person if we're looking at the primary source, is
Speaker 1: you're claiming a dogma those cones on a primary sources.
Speaker 1: We'll evaluate that and say, yeah, that it is.
Speaker 2: You haven't demonstrated that the Bible alone is the source,
Speaker 2: and you've not demonstrated that they're not in the primary sources,
Speaker 2: because we always argue that they are.
Speaker 1: See adapt Now again for my vantage point, I think
Speaker 1: there could be permissible actions, and I think that they
Speaker 1: may have even been some Christians prior to the anti
Speaker 1: niceemothers that had these practices, But that doesn't mean aformative
Speaker 1: practices for all Christians as dogmas.
Speaker 2: Which is so now he's going to admit backtrack and
Speaker 2: say there might be some evidence of iconography in the
Speaker 2: pre Nicing era. Well, wait a minute, So then you're
Speaker 2: moving the goalposts about what counts as primary sources. So
Speaker 2: when you ask about primary sources, and that shifts between
Speaker 2: patriistic evidence to biblical evidence, and then you move the
Speaker 2: goalposts to say, well, there might be some church.
Speaker 3: Fathers in the pre nicing era that believing the images.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean it's normative.
Speaker 1: Do you just move the goalpost doctrinal development? There was
Speaker 1: development of doctor, by the way, you.
Speaker 2: Have no basis to say anything theologically is normative. You're
Speaker 2: in rap church.
Speaker 1: Just the seeds of them were there, but they developed.
Speaker 1: Whereas the orthodox claim that we are the one true
Speaker 1: unchanging church. Now, how could you be the one true
Speaker 1: unchanging church if your dogmas aren't found in the primary sources?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. That's because primary sources is' Bible alone,
Speaker 2: and they're in the Bible.
Speaker 1: To you, by the way, that is what's going to
Speaker 1: be discussed. And when you hear these arguments for when
Speaker 1: you hear the arguments for intercession of the saints, when
Speaker 1: you hear the arguments for icon veneration, when you hear
Speaker 1: the arguments for you must confess your sins to a priest, okay,
Speaker 1: or confess your sins to God in a presence of a.
Speaker 2: Uh, I thought you demand that I repent and confess
Speaker 2: my sins to you. So you do believe in you
Speaker 2: believe you do believe in oral confession of sins.
Speaker 1: Rouslan a priest's of them laws? Right? I think they're lacking.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because bless God is actually in Ruslan's mind.
Speaker 2: When you give money to Rousselan, that's that's how you
Speaker 2: bless God. Because in Ruslan's mind, Ruslan is God. And
Speaker 2: I'm actually starting to think this dude actually has always
Speaker 2: been an atheist, and I think probably what David would too.
Speaker 2: I cannot understand. There's absolutely no possibility in my mind
Speaker 2: that you could be a Christian apologist for twenty years
Speaker 2: as a former atheist and not know whether you believe
Speaker 2: the Protestant evangelical basics. That's not possible.
Speaker 8: Well, another part of it that they get really uncomfortable
Speaker 8: with is what do you practice?
Speaker 4: Because like, what do you believe?
Speaker 8: Has been the basis for like a lot of debates
Speaker 8: and it's very useful, but when you get into well
Speaker 8: what's your practice?
Speaker 4: Like they get very uncomfortable when you ask them, okay,
Speaker 4: what is it for you to actually practice? And they
Speaker 4: ultimately they say, well, I just pray and in my
Speaker 4: and it's basically head church. It's like their head.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The very thing they criticize Ortho bros. Of Oh
Speaker 2: you live online, dude, your whole church is online. What
Speaker 2: are you talking about?
Speaker 1: That means is you come back to what I'm just
Speaker 1: going to receive this stuff by faith, which is, if
Speaker 1: it's by faith, then it's not this logical mathematical formula
Speaker 1: where you have the better arguments. You don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, notice again Rouselan hates logic because he can't logic.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know what fallacies are. And that's why you
Speaker 3: put our debate behind a paywall.
Speaker 2: So it's not logic. It's what's in your horness faith, dog.
Speaker 1: Which is, if it's my faith, then it's not this
Speaker 1: logical mathematical formula where you have the better arguments. You don't.
Speaker 2: So when a minute, faith doesn't mean that I have
Speaker 2: the better arguments, But you want to do a debate
Speaker 2: to see if the sources contain iconography and have that
Speaker 2: the Bible has So what wouldn't that require logic? You dummy?
Speaker 2: It's is it a faith?
Speaker 3: Off?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: How faith?
Speaker 2: How do you faith? Off? Right?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 2: It's performative? So actually he's correct. He's actually right because
Speaker 2: in his perspective, it is a faith off which is
Speaker 2: who's a better performer performatively. Uh, that's why he doesn't
Speaker 2: want to go to the logic and the argumentation. You
Speaker 2: heard it right there, he said, I don't care about
Speaker 2: logic and argument. He says this all the time too.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now that doesn't prove he's the orthodoxy false. It
Speaker 1: just shows that perhaps perhaps if you have multiple dogmas
Speaker 1: that in the primary sources, those dogmas invalidate the claim
Speaker 1: that you are the one true church.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna get slammed and slain so hard on
Speaker 2: this topic. I hope you find somebody who will debate
Speaker 2: this topic, because you're you're gonna get a.
Speaker 4: Boy won't though, they just won't.
Speaker 2: All they do is talk big. It's all talked. Dude.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's sup permissib practice. But you can't see you
Speaker 1: the one chudge and you're unchanging. You're unchanging. Okay, they
Speaker 1: gotta change with the word.
Speaker 2: Unchanged, dude, you're unchanging, Like, like, first of all, we
Speaker 2: take pride in being unchanging, so you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: demonstrate that being unchanging is actually a problem.
Speaker 1: Means for any of this to be coherent. Now they
Speaker 1: have a framework for this, but I think it falls
Speaker 1: apart now in the midst of all this my Instagram.
Speaker 2: Okay, you think it falls apart?
Speaker 8: Cool?
Speaker 2: What any you want to give us? Any argument? Like any?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Rouslan's videos are all just what Rusalm thinks. Like, I've
Speaker 2: never even heard him cite a church father. I've never
Speaker 2: heard him give a theological argument. When we were on
Speaker 2: his podcast, he pulled up on the screen two versus
Speaker 2: out of Galatians and something else, right like the obvious ones.
Speaker 2: You would think, now this verse right here, Jay, it's
Speaker 2: a salvation boy fate, no ball works. How you gonna
Speaker 2: prove that to me? When you seemly got a biblical
Speaker 2: stance And then we had a two hour debate, I'm like,
Speaker 2: your whole argument was two Bible versus and when I
Speaker 2: called out four logical fallacies, you say, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy's the worst.
Speaker 1: I think there's other issues with the Rianto Orthodox claiming
Speaker 1: to be the one True Church and the True Orthodox
Speaker 1: claiming to be the one True Church. And you got billionaire,
Speaker 1: billionaire patriarchs who have said stuff like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you haven't proven that that's actually true. You just
Speaker 2: citing New York Times articles Dunning by the way, lot,
Speaker 2: these people are so low tier that they actually think
Speaker 2: that if there's multiple people claiming to be the one
Speaker 2: True Church, that is somehow an argument against the one
Speaker 2: True Church. This is so stupid. That'd be like, if
Speaker 2: multiple people don't think tuplus two is four, then we
Speaker 2: don't know if tuplus two is four. That's how stupid
Speaker 2: this is. That's why this guy doesn't want to have
Speaker 2: a formal debate and constantly says, yeah, I don't care
Speaker 2: about logics. What you want to logics?
Speaker 1: Me, bro, All Muslims and Christians worship the same creator.
Speaker 1: Guy sounds a lot like Vatican two, okay, And all
Speaker 1: this stuff is being way way why Because I think
Speaker 1: my prediction is this is only going to create more
Speaker 1: and more divisions within the Eastern Orthodox community because you're adding,
Speaker 1: what does Vatican I have to do with this?
Speaker 2: Oh he's talking about because Kirol has made up or Barthol.
Speaker 2: If Barthol and you makes an acumenical statement, by the way,
Speaker 2: does he not realize that the Russian patriarch it just
Speaker 2: put out a statement that Christians and Muslims don't worship
Speaker 2: the same guy. I mean that was literally stated last week,
Speaker 2: and he's acting like that didn't happen. But also, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if there's a patriarch who's a heretic.
Speaker 1: Dummy microscope a unnecessary scrutiny from constantly attacking Protestants. And
Speaker 1: we were like, man, do you guys? Do you? But
Speaker 1: I think it's crossed a threshold and it's only gonna
Speaker 1: get worse. And I'm here. I'm here to watch and
Speaker 1: enjoy and eventually have some conversations signal boo some of
Speaker 1: this stuff. That doesn't mean that I think why Eastern
Speaker 1: Orthodox friends are not Christians.
Speaker 3: But wait a minute, because you are saying that the
Speaker 3: only dogma that you can't be unfolding about or unbending about.
Speaker 2: Is if you have an exclusive at church. That's what
Speaker 2: y'all are saying on your streams. That's what God Logic
Speaker 2: just said. So that's not true.
Speaker 1: That's that's not my physician, and that's not the normative
Speaker 1: Protestant position. What that means is, hey, if you're.
Speaker 3: There is no normative Protestant position, you idiot.
Speaker 1: Going to be hyper critical.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even know. I guarantee he doesn't know what
Speaker 2: normative means. He thinks that just is the normal about
Speaker 2: He thinks normative is normal like majority. That's not what
Speaker 2: normative means.
Speaker 1: You. If you're gonna have this hyper critical spirit about
Speaker 1: everything and everyone, guess what, there's gonna be people that.
Speaker 2: Are dude, nobody is having a hyper critical spirit about
Speaker 2: everything and everyone. It's specifically the error of saying that
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what church you go to.
Speaker 3: It's very specific. And he keeps lying throughout this video.
Speaker 1: Gonna want to match that. There's gonna be people like
Speaker 1: David Would that are gonna say, okay, coo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy for people to match it. We've been
Speaker 2: asking forever for people to match it. And David Would
Speaker 2: would not do a formal debate with me on the topic.
Speaker 2: He already declined, none of your gay crew will do
Speaker 2: a public formal debate with me on this topic. God
Speaker 2: Logic won't, IP won't, Gavin Nortland won't write west Hoff
Speaker 2: won't you won't. You already said you will it four
Speaker 2: times and then said, well, he got to repent to
Speaker 2: me publicly before I do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit and I'm gonna learn from your guys's
Speaker 1: best sources. I'm gonna learn from the other best.
Speaker 2: How are you gonna sit and learn when you just
Speaker 2: said a minute ago, we don't have evidence in the
Speaker 2: primary sources, but you're gonna sit and learn. So you
Speaker 2: don't actually know whether we have evidence in the primary.
Speaker 1: Sources sources, and we're gonna examine and we're going to
Speaker 1: have this one true church debate. And I think it's good.
Speaker 1: I think it's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, who's going to have that when and where?
Speaker 3: I'll want hold my breath?
Speaker 1: Okay? And then Protestants have to look at the same
Speaker 1: information and say, hey, yeah, what we're doing is a
Speaker 1: retrieval method. We're trying to retrieve the original one hundred
Speaker 1: years of the church posts.
Speaker 2: Oh so, now he's a restorationist. This doesn't even know
Speaker 2: what he's arguing for now, he's a restorationist that Protestants
Speaker 2: are retrieving the original first hundred years of the church.
Speaker 2: How are you going to retrieve the first hundred years
Speaker 2: of the church when you don't even have the Bible yet, dummy.
Speaker 2: There was no completed canon in the first hundred years
Speaker 2: of the church, so obviously they weren't solo scriptura in
Speaker 2: the first one hundred years.
Speaker 3: Dummy, they're still writing the Bible.
Speaker 1: The Ascension of Jesus. What was that church like? What
Speaker 1: was their values?
Speaker 2: And how so the Book of Acts? Dummy? You mean
Speaker 2: where they have synods and where they have episcopacy.
Speaker 1: They gather and by the way, I don't think either
Speaker 1: church looks like the way the early church lived. For
Speaker 1: the record, I don't think they.
Speaker 2: Uh, nobody gives a shit what you think. You just
Speaker 2: admitted that you got to learn from the people on
Speaker 2: the topic, So you admitted you don't actually know. So
Speaker 2: who gives a shit what you think?
Speaker 1: Dummy saying rock and roll uh CM songs?
Speaker 2: No, do you think it was rap church? Do you
Speaker 2: think the first century church was fucking rap church? Might?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Off, I shall be dishmad? Job brought and you heard
Speaker 2: it frost from the peg bra gosh.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't think it looks like my church,
Speaker 1: and I also don't think they.
Speaker 3: All on you don't You don't think it looks like
Speaker 3: rap church. So this just admitted rap church isn't the
Speaker 3: first century church.
Speaker 1: Saying rock and roll the Ascension of Jesus. What was
Speaker 1: that church like and what was their values and how
Speaker 1: did they gather? And by the way, I don't think
Speaker 1: either church looks like the way the early church lived.
Speaker 1: For the record, I don't think they uh sang rock
Speaker 1: and roll CM songs.
Speaker 2: Then they didn't sing rap songs. Dummy, Then rhythm church
Speaker 2: rap church is not the church of the first century.
Speaker 2: You just admitted that your church is fake.
Speaker 1: Good job, dummy, Okay, So I don't think it looks
Speaker 1: like my church, and I also don't.
Speaker 2: Think they I don't think it looks like my church.
Speaker 2: Ruzon is admitting the early church, which he wants to
Speaker 2: be the model for this debate, wasn't rap church. Shocker,
Speaker 2: it wasn't rap church. But what a fucking rethro This
Speaker 2: is the stupidest man on the Internet. There's nobody dumber
Speaker 2: than this. And how many of y'all people got duped
Speaker 2: by this idiot he's supposed to be. He can't even
Speaker 2: do a rap beef in response. All he does is
Speaker 2: bitch and wine and run to the feminists on Twitter
Speaker 2: to try to back him up. They were, By the way,
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely convinced that there is no way this dude
Speaker 2: was actually a gangster who actually believes that bullshit. This
Speaker 2: dude probably stole a pack of of Now and Laters.
Speaker 2: He stole a pack of now and Laters off the
Speaker 2: principal's desk and got got detention from it. You're almost
Speaker 2: a gaxton.
Speaker 1: When I was young, son wizard outfits and had incense and.
Speaker 2: Ken wizard outfits. So he thinks liturgical vestments are wizard outfits.
Speaker 2: That means the Old Testament is a bunch of wizards.
Speaker 2: You just undid your own Old Testament religion. That means
Speaker 2: the synagogue that you send people to they're wearing wizard outfits.
Speaker 2: You you are the stupidest person on the internet. Look
Speaker 2: at this dude. This is where he sends people to
Speaker 2: get circumcised to this fake ass Messianic synagogue. He's wearing
Speaker 2: liturgical rabbinical vestment outfits. So Old Testament levites were wizards, dummy.
Speaker 2: This dude is unbelievably stupid.
Speaker 1: Was everywhere and had beautiful art everywhere. I think they
Speaker 1: may have used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the church being persecuted, is not gonna have giant cathedrals,
Speaker 2: used art and seemingly had some art and so but
Speaker 2: now he's moved the gold post. Remember a minutego, he said,
Speaker 2: you need to prove evidence from the primary sources that
Speaker 2: they had orts and that they had imagery, and there
Speaker 2: might be some of that. They got some of that,
Speaker 2: but you got to prove it's in the Bible. So
Speaker 2: he moves this dude is so dumb.
Speaker 1: I also think that they had very simple gatherings around
Speaker 1: the gospel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't think. We don't care what you think.
Speaker 2: And there's already been scholars that have disproven the house
Speaker 2: church model. Like the house church you think is a
Speaker 2: low church because it's a house. Yo. That was a
Speaker 2: prayer meeting, brawl. That was a prayer meeting at La
Speaker 2: Craze House where we did a circumcision on little don
Speaker 2: We took them in the bath from and did a
Speaker 2: circumcision in prom circumcision.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: That's what house church means.
Speaker 4: Off.
Speaker 1: So those are my thoughts. I think everybody, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day is looking for the truth, and
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to look for the truth,
Speaker 1: you have you just.
Speaker 2: Admitted it's not rap church, you dummy. You literally just
Speaker 2: said my church isn't the early church.
Speaker 1: To be logically consistent, and they're just not. The arguments
Speaker 1: are Wait.
Speaker 3: A minute, a minute ago, you said it's not going
Speaker 3: to be proven by logic and reasoning.
Speaker 2: You literally said that. Two minutes ago he said it's
Speaker 2: a faith issue, it's not logic. But now it's we're
Speaker 2: not logically consistent. Dude, you can't go five minutes without
Speaker 2: contradicting yourself.
Speaker 1: Dummy, not logically consistent. They can nuance it to death,
Speaker 1: they can word slid it to death.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And now the actually, I actually think Rouselm is so
Speaker 2: dumb that he actually thinks logical argumentation is fancy words.
Speaker 2: He's at that level like he thinks that that's what
Speaker 2: logic is is like you know, silver toungue car salesman talk,
Speaker 2: that's what logic. You know, logics is like when you've
Speaker 2: got a bunch of like you know, fast talking and
Speaker 2: like fancy words and shit like out of the dictionary.
Speaker 2: I ain't never even heard of, bro yo. That's that
Speaker 2: ain't how I rolled, dog. I rolled by horror and faith.
Speaker 1: This is going to be scrutinized because they decided to
Speaker 1: pick this fight.
Speaker 2: Uh, now you have to know you you baited everybody
Speaker 2: with your dumb idea to put a catechumen against two people.
Speaker 2: It was called debate across the internet. And then you
Speaker 2: backtrack when you got mild pushback and had to melt
Speaker 2: down and admitted that you were wrong. You already admitted
Speaker 2: that you're the source of all this. So yeah, we're
Speaker 2: happy to pick a fight now. And guess what, we
Speaker 2: won't stop coming. They ain't gonna stop. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: making fun of you for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: Dummy Andrew Wilson scrambling trying to hop into debate, which
Speaker 1: pycally Andrew Wilsons stuff generally against leftists, I think has
Speaker 1: been good.
Speaker 2: And I've noticed Rouselan lied too and said that Andrew
Speaker 2: Wilson only repeats red pill talking points. And then when
Speaker 2: Andrew showed from GROC that Andrew consistently doesn't repeat the
Speaker 2: red pill talking points about don't getting don't get married,
Speaker 2: et cetera, Rouselan blocked him.
Speaker 3: So Rouselan is could the legit, one hundred percent pathological.
Speaker 1: Liar celebrated it. And I've championed his moves in those regards.
Speaker 1: I think his language and his mouth and his demeanor
Speaker 1: and his smugness is.
Speaker 2: Jerry go smoking man bad. Right, But you just said
Speaker 2: a cuss word a couple of years ago. You know,
Speaker 2: I've apologized for the F word, and look, I'm in
Speaker 2: a new studio, I got some new drip. He actually
Speaker 2: said that, he said, I'm in a new studio and
Speaker 2: I got different clothes. What the fuck does that have
Speaker 2: to do with whether you said the F word? Dummy?
Speaker 1: Generally unbecoming of anyone that's a Christian lacking fruit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll here we go, smoke man bad four
Speaker 2: letter word. Okay, So let's say, for the sake of
Speaker 2: argument that that's true.
Speaker 3: I don't even buy that it is. But how come
Speaker 3: you didn't call out Gavin Ortland's gay church.
Speaker 2: Where were you on that?
Speaker 3: That's ten times worse than anything Orthrow Bros.
Speaker 2: Are doing. And by the way, Orthro Bros Are bad
Speaker 2: for rage bait. He just did a lame ass rage
Speaker 2: bait in his video, which we all just laughed at.
Speaker 2: I thought rage bait was bad behavior.
Speaker 1: On the internet, the spirit in these sorts of conversations.
Speaker 1: But if you want. If this is what they want,
Speaker 1: well guess what, there's gonna be a bunch of people
Speaker 1: that do it.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, let's go, let's I will, we will.
Speaker 2: This war will never stop. In fact, we'll ramp it up.
Speaker 1: I'll do streams every day and there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: bunch of people that go there with them. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna keep talking about this because I don't want to
Speaker 1: bring more attention.
Speaker 2: Who is even gonna go? He's he's flexing David would
Speaker 2: as if David would is some like like we're scared
Speaker 2: of David would. I already asked David Wood to do
Speaker 2: formal debate and he wouldn't do it. David would just
Speaker 2: learn two days ago what the orthodox positions are any
Speaker 2: on basics, David would can't say if he believes the
Speaker 2: Reformation solos you think he's your ace in the hole,
Speaker 2: You are a legit moron.
Speaker 1: It's an unnecessary drama with this regard because I think
Speaker 1: this is only casting more and more division. But this
Speaker 1: is my video on it for the month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're not in league with you. We're already
Speaker 2: divided against you. So what you're talking about cast creating
Speaker 2: more division.
Speaker 1: And and I probably won't talk about it for a
Speaker 1: while after.
Speaker 3: But you want to start a war, but you're above
Speaker 3: talking about it. He wants to go out of war,
Speaker 3: and he wants to have that war, but he's not
Speaker 3: going to talk about it for a while. Dude, I swear,
Speaker 3: ruseln is you.
Speaker 2: Somebody should go through this video, and every minute to
Speaker 2: two minutes there is a backtracking of the thing he
Speaker 2: said two to three minutes earlier. That's all he ever does,
Speaker 2: And every statement is backtracked and contradicted within three to
Speaker 2: four minutes within the freaking video. Unbelievable. And this is
Speaker 2: the same dude who said four times he would debate
Speaker 2: me and then backed out because I'm too mean and
Speaker 2: I must publicly repent to him. So he actually does
Speaker 2: believe in oral confession. It's just too the god ruseln right.
Speaker 1: As much as they want to debate me into a
Speaker 1: friendly chat over nonsense, I'm going.
Speaker 2: To just wait a minute.
Speaker 3: How is it nonsense when you just said you're about
Speaker 3: to go on the offensive and you're gonna have these battles, but.
Speaker 2: You won't debate even though you said you will. But
Speaker 2: also it's nonsense. So if it's nonsense. Why are you
Speaker 2: going to war over it?
Speaker 1: It's engaged because honestly, I've been traveling a lot. I'm busy.
Speaker 1: I got others.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Notice ruse Lin's tour, his tour. We saw on his
Speaker 2: website two cities. There's two cities. He's so busy. Dog,
Speaker 2: I'm on tour. I got time to mess with you.
Speaker 3: I ain't got time for you, son, I said, how
Speaker 3: about a five minute conversation just before.
Speaker 2: All this blew up? I got time for you, son,
Speaker 2: I'm on tour. Oh two cities, two cities on his
Speaker 2: website the tour. No, I'm on tour, son, Yo. This
Speaker 2: is like you know, Smoking Grooves tour right nineteen nine,
Speaker 2: we got like fifty maybe not fifty, more like three
Speaker 2: locations that we're doing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Stuff I'm working on. But again, at some point I
Speaker 1: will have one of these conversations. At some point, we'll
Speaker 1: keep having these conversations with easton Orthodox. But uh, I
Speaker 1: really don't think they understand how fallacious some of the
Speaker 1: logic is.
Speaker 2: And wait a minute, Rizon, you just said a minute ago,
Speaker 2: logic doesn't matter, and you don't care about logical argumentations,
Speaker 2: and now you go back to yo, you fallacious and
Speaker 2: full of logics, bro, And I'm going to show you
Speaker 2: you ain't got no logics.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you you got no logics.
Speaker 1: And now that that energy is being matched, there were
Speaker 1: the victims.
Speaker 3: There ain't nobody saying we're victims.
Speaker 2: We love it. That's why we're ready to formally debate, dummy,
Speaker 2: And ain't nobody on your side? And do I guarantee
Speaker 2: you how do you think people have been studying this
Speaker 2: stuff for twenty twenty five years? How do you think
Speaker 2: David Would, who just learned about it yesterday, is gonna
Speaker 2: do well? Are you this stupid? This whole stream is
Speaker 2: a facade of fear. You can tell he's scared about this.
Speaker 2: That's why at the end of it he's backtracking and
Speaker 2: being like, I'm gonna go to war, but also I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna do it because I'm above it all. I'm
Speaker 2: above it all. But you want war, you got it.
Speaker 2: But also I'm not gonna do it because I'm above it.
Speaker 2: But also logic don't matter. But I'm gonna show you
Speaker 2: you fallacious?
Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you point out that man
Speaker 1: optically we have an issue. How dare you? And so
Speaker 1: those are my thoughts.
Speaker 2: Now everybody is saying you got the bad optics, dude.
Speaker 2: On our side, all you have is whining and bitching
Speaker 2: about pearl clutter. All you had is pearl clutch this
Speaker 2: whole time, dummy.
Speaker 1: That's on this sort of stuff. I want to know
Speaker 1: what you guys think about this, Like, are you actually
Speaker 1: considering how bad of a weakness was for the of bros?
Speaker 2: How nobody thinks that. That's why everybody is laughing at
Speaker 2: how ridiculous David Wood has been exposed because David Would,
Speaker 2: after twenty years, can't say what his basic positions are.
Speaker 2: That's David Wood got exposed bat of a week.
Speaker 1: This was for you know, you got revenge and you
Speaker 1: got all kinds of nonsense.
Speaker 2: There was no revenge. Corn you're lying again, like.
Speaker 1: This is this is really bad? Now again that the
Speaker 1: rest of the Eastern Orthodox community gets this, gets to
Speaker 1: decide on if we're going to be complicit in this
Speaker 1: by being silent about some of the stuff.
Speaker 2: And here he goes again, this is here's his call
Speaker 2: to cancelation. He did this on the last video. This
Speaker 2: piece of shit is so dishonest that his only move
Speaker 2: is to try to get other Orthodox clergy to cancel
Speaker 2: anybody in our sphere. Meanwhile, he's not man enough to
Speaker 2: actually do a formal debate after he said he would
Speaker 2: do it four times and backed out. What a piece
Speaker 2: of garbage, dude, this piece, this dude is way ten
Speaker 2: times more snaky than I ever thought he was. I
Speaker 2: regret even going on his podcast.
Speaker 1: So proud of the Eastern Orthodox that have stepped out
Speaker 1: and said, now, this is wrong, like revenge porn is terrible.
Speaker 1: You can't, you can't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't revenge corn. You're what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: This is this is not how we behave. I'm pumped
Speaker 1: for those priests that have spoken out about this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. But man, there's a lot of coddling, and man,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pragmaticism. Hey, these people get people
Speaker 1: to charge.
Speaker 2: So pragmaticism, pragmatism, you talk, you don't even know the
Speaker 2: words you're saying. You word cellar, this Dudy's trying to do.
Speaker 2: Word salady does even the pragmaticism, pragmatism, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Everything else they do. We're not gonna speak out against
Speaker 1: it because we want to keep a unified or Eastern
Speaker 1: Orthodox face. That sounds a lot like the Dawel Bros.
Speaker 2: That sounds yeah, that's a fallacy of association.
Speaker 3: Again, doesn't know basic fallacies. Yo, that's a that's a
Speaker 3: genetic fallacy, dummy. That sounds what he said about that
Speaker 3: dude like.
Speaker 1: A lot like uh Islamo apologetics. Right, uh? And I
Speaker 1: just I've seen this before. I don't think it ends well.
Speaker 1: We saw what happens to the Red Pill movement.
Speaker 2: Here we go, Uh Ortho Bros, dangerous orthos, bad orthos,
Speaker 2: gonna create raw uh Uh, they might be violence, grawl,
Speaker 2: lookout somethings common right, SPLC level talking point points, same
Speaker 2: thing they always do.
Speaker 3: How many examples of actual or throw bro violence?
Speaker 2: Zero? Absolutely none, And yet it's it's going to be
Speaker 2: bad for these do dark clouds is coming. So they're actually,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, doing the SPLC style talking point. He
Speaker 2: does it again, same thing that Gavin Ortland did, same thing.
Speaker 3: Wes helf Houff does.
Speaker 2: Uh, these guys are dangerous, they're online cults. They're gonna
Speaker 2: get people hurt, they're destroying lives. No examples, no proof,
Speaker 2: where's your proof. Uh, here's a sock account with no
Speaker 2: followers that said legalize great, Yeah, that could be anybody, dummy,
Speaker 2: that's not I've proven nothing, and none of that will
Speaker 2: hold up in court either, by the way, So I
Speaker 2: hope you do keep pushing this.
Speaker 1: See what happens crashing and burning and now being a
Speaker 1: shell of itself. We've seen what happens to the flat
Speaker 1: Earth movement, you know, crashing and burning now, so.
Speaker 2: Again, guilt by association. This is the left, he does.
Speaker 2: All the leftist tactics or throw bros are like the
Speaker 2: al right, Ortho bros are like flat Earth right, associating
Speaker 2: us with all this nonsense online. Tell them so this
Speaker 2: is how, By the way, how has the SPLC fake
Speaker 2: funded stuff Perry worked out? It worked out very well,
Speaker 2: did it? That fell apart?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, So, but you're gonna do all the same Sololenski
Speaker 2: style tactics of Ortho Bros. Is dangerous, Yo, they might
Speaker 2: hurt somebody. They're gonna swamp beds coming to I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is, but something dark is coming.
Speaker 1: Is it inevitable into this sort of stuff? And it's
Speaker 1: just it's sad that it had to come to this
Speaker 1: so so again.
Speaker 2: Notice he is seething. He can't stop making videos about
Speaker 2: this because it's actually dipping into his market share. Right,
Speaker 2: Ruselan's numbers are worse than mine. He's trying to talk
Speaker 2: about like he's winning this battle online, like this is
Speaker 2: all facaty. This is what he's doing here, which is
Speaker 2: proclaiming victory when he's beginning to collapse. It's cracking for
Speaker 2: him and we are not gonna I'm not gonna stop
Speaker 2: the pressure.