Speaker 1: Katie is my favorite person in the whole world. Got
Speaker 1: a doubt. I spent all the time with her, and
Speaker 1: even if like she was at work, that's normal.
Speaker 2: And if I was at home not without her, I
Speaker 2: want I I missed her even in those times.
Speaker 1: You know, I always wanted her to be around. She
Speaker 1: was funny, She's smart.
Speaker 2: She always I always tell people. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: I have random facts I like tell people, but I
Speaker 2: always learned them from her. She has something new to
Speaker 2: teach me every day.
Speaker 1: And that was one of my favorite things about her.
Speaker 2: She's so smart, like and I always told her she
Speaker 2: could have done anything in the whole world that she
Speaker 2: wanted to do. She could have been anything, but she
Speaker 2: hated at school, so she didn't take that path.
Speaker 1: But you know, she was charismatic.
Speaker 2: Even if she didn't like to be around everybody all
Speaker 2: the time. She was mary to herself by the time.
Speaker 2: She liked alone time. So's she was a really good person.
Speaker 2: She never did anything bad to anybody.
Speaker 1: You know, she.
Speaker 2: Was really sarcastic, maybe had a little bit of dark humor,
Speaker 2: but I like that about her.
Speaker 3: That was Emma Clark, the partner wife of Katie, Janie
Speaker 3: and she was sharing some of her favorite things about Katie.
Speaker 3: That interview was done Atlanta News First a few years ago,
Speaker 3: the CBS affiliate here in Atlanta. Emma sat down and
Speaker 3: did a whole long interview with them the next day
Speaker 3: the next day to talk about who Katie was as
Speaker 3: a person and also just I mean, gosh, I can't
Speaker 3: even imagine the shock that she was experiencing in that moment.
Speaker 4: She made Katie so relatable, like she sounds like a
Speaker 4: really cool woman who would have been such a I
Speaker 4: don't know one of us. Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Love the whole like that she loved to share random
Speaker 3: facts like that's something that I too. Yeah, totally. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: which you know, yeah, but yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 3: part of the bigger picture here is that Katie was
Speaker 3: a human being with a lot of people in her
Speaker 3: life that really loved her. And we also understand that
Speaker 3: her family and friends are very private, and that's absolutely understandable.
Speaker 3: Not everybody wants to get on and talk with the media,
Speaker 3: and I know it's also it can be a little
Speaker 3: scary sometimes to talk to the media because you don't.
Speaker 4: Know how they're going to twist it, right, you know, all.
Speaker 3: Those things, and or you might say something with a
Speaker 3: certain inflection that you you intended to be you know, lighthearted,
Speaker 3: and then it's viewed as something that seems kind of sinister.
Speaker 4: So no, I do notice that so many times and
Speaker 4: crimes where they'll analyze how somebody's grieving or how somebody's
Speaker 4: like standing after a crime, and it's like, oh, they
Speaker 4: must be guilty or I can see where that would
Speaker 4: be so intimidating. Yeah, and you don't.
Speaker 3: You don't know how you're going to react in these situations, right,
Speaker 3: And I think so often after some anytime you lose someone,
Speaker 3: you're just kind of going through the motions. After all,
Speaker 3: you're not really thinking clearly, and maybe it's something in
Speaker 3: hindsight where you know, months down the road, Emmon was like, God,
Speaker 3: how did I do that interview?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you don't.
Speaker 3: She's not thinking, no, it's doing what's being asked. And
Speaker 3: on top of that, I mean, the media is an
Speaker 3: excellent source for being able to share your story.
Speaker 4: Especially she was doing a kindness, which is to this
Speaker 4: is the name flashes all over the TV and it's
Speaker 4: the spectacular murder that everybody's glued to the TV of,
Speaker 4: Like whoa you forget about the human life that's behind it.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what she was very eloquent at showing,
Speaker 4: is the human life that was behind this sensational news story.
Speaker 3: Right, and that's just it. Like you know, sometimes well
Speaker 3: you'll get like the longer form of the story on
Speaker 3: dateline or twenty twenty, and it's like so often it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: they just lit up the room. Yeah you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, but who were they?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 3: And you know, Katie was a bartender. She's a musician,
Speaker 3: wrote poetry, wrote poetry like a very it sounds like
Speaker 3: an introspective person. Yeah, private, you know, a little quiet,
Speaker 3: but you know it. It also tells me that she
Speaker 3: liked people to be a bartender.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to. You have to write like it's one.
Speaker 3: Of the you know, I've only really bartended once, but
Speaker 3: it was so much fun to like you've just got
Speaker 3: all these different people coming up that you would never
Speaker 3: interact with, right, and they're all excited and happy, and
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, contagious.
Speaker 4: I agree. I also think like I have a dog.
Speaker 4: I walk my dog a lot, I have neighbors that
Speaker 4: walk the dog. But like when I think about like
Speaker 4: people who even take the time to get home and
Speaker 4: go walk their dog that late at night, and or
Speaker 4: making sure the dog gets a walk, Like there's already
Speaker 4: a kindness to you that's solid, absolutely, like you're not
Speaker 4: so lazy that you're just skipping the dog walk. I
Speaker 4: mean to me, that's I don't know. I love someone
Speaker 4: who loves their animals. I think that says a shit
Speaker 4: ton about people.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, if you're compassionate for animals, like you're a
Speaker 3: good human, right. And that's one thing that we've also
Speaker 3: heard a lot from people with this story, is just
Speaker 3: the sadness for Bowie. Yeah, you know, like that's a
Speaker 3: that's such a loss and something happened not only to
Speaker 3: my partner but also to my dog, my comfort.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's true.
Speaker 3: Gosh, Like I can't imagine the longing that Emma had
Speaker 3: of like the.
Speaker 4: Loss of the quiet and of the dog.
Speaker 3: And yeah, to be coming home without your partner and
Speaker 3: also without your dog, it's so true.
Speaker 4: And I think as we play more clips of the interview,
Speaker 4: I also got a sense that they were deeply in
Speaker 4: love and committed. Of course, when someone dies you don't
Speaker 4: see that, you know, everybody's glorifying everything. But my sense
Speaker 4: is they had a very solid, quiet, happy relationship that
Speaker 4: felt true. You never heard after this murder where we
Speaker 4: knew people in those circles at that time. I wasn't
Speaker 4: out in Midtown all the time, but I was some
Speaker 4: I never heard. You know how there's some relationships that
Speaker 4: are just especially lesbians, that are just loaded with drama. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I never heard that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there never was nothing like well they were back
Speaker 3: and forth.
Speaker 4: There was none of that. It was like they met,
Speaker 4: fell in love and built a life together. Yeah, which
Speaker 4: that is our community at its finest, working in Midtown,
Speaker 4: building a life together.
Speaker 3: I just it's tragic and really, I mean, like living
Speaker 3: the dream, you know, it's it's one of those things too,
Speaker 3: where like Emma said, you know, Katie's a brilliant person,
Speaker 3: she's so smart, but she hated school.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so relatable because I'm like, you know, there's so
Speaker 3: many things I want to do, but yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: want to go back to school, you know. But in
Speaker 3: the meantime, you know, she's living this life that's kind
Speaker 3: of simple but also happy and easy. I would think,
Speaker 3: you know, when you don't have all those stresses of
Speaker 3: like some big corporate job or something like that. Right,
Speaker 3: Like there's kind of like a relaxing feeling to that
Speaker 3: kind of life.
Speaker 4: P Yeah, they were fulfilled enough with each other and yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that's true. Let's play another club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually met a g in Midtown. She was
Speaker 2: a barchingder there and I used to go there all
Speaker 2: the time when I first moved to Atlanta because I
Speaker 2: didn't have any friends, and my brother worked there, and.
Speaker 1: So that's how we met.
Speaker 2: And she always worked the day that I would go
Speaker 2: up there most of the time. And one day we
Speaker 2: were both just having drinks together and she said, hey,
Speaker 2: she knew how to get me. She was like, you
Speaker 2: want to come meet my dog? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I do, want to come meet your dog. So we
Speaker 2: went to our house and like hung out with her
Speaker 2: and her dog. That was pretty much the beginning of everything. Oh,
Speaker 2: that was a long time ago, probably eight years ago,
Speaker 2: almost seven. Officially, we celebrated our six year last month.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they were together for six years. And as
Speaker 3: Emma said, they met at a bar that's now since
Speaker 3: closed called Gee's Midtown and it's right there at that
Speaker 3: tenth in Piedmont area. Okay, And it sounds like they
Speaker 3: could and I got to know each other a little
Speaker 3: bit over over some time with Katie was working at
Speaker 3: that particular bar and the old cruise by and eventually, yeah,
Speaker 3: Katie cast of the line there, so I get Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's I like that too, of like, you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't like a dating app situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's back when we met in the WHI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they they and we're getting to know each
Speaker 3: other on like a friend level first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that too, And that they met in
Speaker 4: the community where they eventually got a place together and
Speaker 4: lived with their two dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was actually how Emma kind of our
Speaker 3: Katie realed Emma in was to say, do you want
Speaker 3: to come meet my dog?
Speaker 4: Do you know if someone did that to me once?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, once I got there, I was like, oh god,
Speaker 4: what am I doing?
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 4: Is that out of here?
Speaker 3: The whole like, do you want to come inside for
Speaker 3: a drink?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you do with lesbians, You say, do
Speaker 4: you want to meet my dog?
Speaker 1: My dog?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I probably do Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Emma's dad, Joe Clark, also sat down with Atlanta News
Speaker 3: First to talk about Katie, Well.
Speaker 5: The one thing that stands out so much for me
Speaker 5: and the relationship, and we're extremely close, and Katie made
Speaker 5: Emma happy. They had a good life together. They've they've
Speaker 5: they've started with nothing, they built on that. They lost
Speaker 5: their first home in a house fower and they had
Speaker 5: to move to where they live now. But they were
Speaker 5: so resilient through that process. And Katie, like she said,
Speaker 5: was she was so intelligent. I loved conversation with her
Speaker 5: because there's several subjects that her and I could talk
Speaker 5: about and she always knew the answer, which was awesome.
Speaker 5: But the way it is affecting Emma through this, I
Speaker 5: always knew that Emma was safe with Katie and she
Speaker 5: protected her. She was They had such a great relationship
Speaker 5: that when for a parent, if you don't have to
Speaker 5: worry about your children all the time, which most do,
Speaker 5: but I knew as long as they were together, I
Speaker 5: didn't have to worry about Emma. And Katie feeled that part,
Speaker 5: just as any life partner does. Is someone who she
Speaker 5: cared so much about Emma. She made sure that Emma
Speaker 5: was okay, and Emma did the same thing for her.
Speaker 3: What he says there about just feeling like his daughter
Speaker 3: was safe with Jimmy.
Speaker 4: I feel like that with adult kids now. I know
Speaker 4: that exact feeling. When your child has somebody that there,
Speaker 4: you feel a sense of like if they're out on
Speaker 4: a Saturday night, I know this person has them. With
Speaker 4: my kids, it's more friendships at this age, but even so,
Speaker 4: I know that or somebody that you know they can
Speaker 4: confide in if shit's hard, like their best person there.
Speaker 4: I relate to that so hard. Yeah, want that so
Speaker 4: deeply for your kids.
Speaker 3: And like, that's something my parents have expressed to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they feel better when they know that I'm like with someone.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they even feel better when they know that
Speaker 3: I'm up here and I'm staying at your place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's a safety and so.
Speaker 3: And you can just tell the sincerity there that Joe
Speaker 3: really cared about Katie, Yeah, and was happy for them
Speaker 3: as a couple and.
Speaker 4: Brooding for them. That Katie's family was still in Michigan.
Speaker 4: Is that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I believe Katie's mom and sister still live in Michigan.
Speaker 3: I know that they. You know, they're very private, quiet.
Speaker 3: People believe they sent a letter just expressing how terrible
Speaker 3: the loss was yeah, so that you know, again, I
Speaker 3: totally understand that some people just don't feel comfortable getting
Speaker 3: on camera and talking and sharing their feelings. And also,
Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, I can't even imagine if I if
Speaker 3: I lost my child to get on TV and talk.
Speaker 3: I don't even think I could.
Speaker 4: I don't think I could. But I do think I
Speaker 4: have a rage in me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I would.
Speaker 4: Be so angry that it would have to go somewhere.
Speaker 4: I admire people that can don't have that. Like I
Speaker 4: think my anger would would have me out in front
Speaker 4: of that police department screaming yeah, like a like a
Speaker 4: crazy person, especially if I sensed you know, like even
Speaker 4: when we heard that police officer talking to the news say,
Speaker 4: I know it's frustrating for you that we haven't found
Speaker 4: anyone or told you anything. And then there were rumors
Speaker 4: that we don't know if it's true, but that there
Speaker 4: was male DNA found that the scene. That's not confirmed.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can look into that and see if that
Speaker 4: actually did get confirmed. But to me, that again would
Speaker 4: have been public good public information, because then it could
Speaker 4: have people thinking about a man, not thinking about a woman. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when they're thinking about who saw at the park, which
Speaker 4: this is something you and I have talked about, which
Speaker 4: is that somebody saw something like it doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: you thought they were bad. I saw somebody yet people
Speaker 4: yesterday all day. I'm sure if there was a crime
Speaker 4: at the festival, I would start going through my mind
Speaker 4: of weird things I saw, and then there's you know,
Speaker 4: your brain starts to kind of remember things. Probably nothing,
Speaker 4: but it could be something. So I think that it
Speaker 4: is frustrating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even just like you know the fact of
Speaker 3: we were taking videos yesterday, I went into the gas
Speaker 3: station and there was these two guys. They were shooting
Speaker 3: something like I think TikTok or something. I talked to
Speaker 3: them real briefly, and you know, they could have caught
Speaker 3: something on cameras. So it goes like, you know, people
Speaker 3: have You're always taking pictures and videos and stuff, and
Speaker 3: it's like, were you in the park on that night,
Speaker 3: that day the next day, did you take some pictures?
Speaker 3: Like look closer at it.
Speaker 4: I feel fairly confident at any given time, and this
Speaker 4: is something that we should look into. But that park
Speaker 4: being where it is, being a cut through, it's one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty nine acres. I bet at any given
Speaker 4: time in that park there are more than one hundred people.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's like, I don't You're right, like out
Speaker 4: of all those people, did they look and truly unhoused
Speaker 4: people have cell phones?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very true.
Speaker 4: So it's not like that, you know, it's like you're
Speaker 4: not going to get any information. There's plenty of information,
Speaker 4: probably a wealth of information because they know that park
Speaker 4: backwards and forwards. They know who belongs there who doesn't.
Speaker 3: And in twenty twenty one, we were still kind of
Speaker 3: in the COVID era. A lot of people were still
Speaker 3: hanging out in the park as their activity today, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a socild thing. Yeah, because it was outside, it
Speaker 3: felt a little safer, you know, not being an enclosed space.
Speaker 3: And it's like, I feel like the park was very
Speaker 3: very active. Yeah, you know, I would agree, even though
Speaker 3: it was hot in July or whatever. But that also
Speaker 3: says too, like with the heat of you know, a
Speaker 3: lot more people are probably out later at night for
Speaker 3: sure during that time, or early in the morning when
Speaker 3: it's cooler.
Speaker 4: Melissa and I have a friend who is a was
Speaker 4: an Atlanta police officer who's now retired, who we consulted
Speaker 4: with just some general questions, and one thing that she
Speaker 4: did say very clearly is she's like, they are there's
Speaker 4: a cold case department that continues to work these cases
Speaker 4: until they're solved. She said. But she said, if people
Speaker 4: aren't screaming and putting pressure after a certain point, less
Speaker 4: happens on that case, Like the squeaky wheel gets the oil,
Speaker 4: is basically what she said. Yeah, So, like she talked
Speaker 4: about a case where there was nine rapes that happened
Speaker 4: by the same person. They could tell it was the
Speaker 4: same person in and around Atlanta, and that nobody was
Speaker 4: really doing anything. She ended up getting the case and
Speaker 4: basically it got solved very quickly. She's like, because the
Speaker 4: department got pressured, they brought more people in to look
Speaker 4: into it, and it was solved in thirty six hours. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's just like these cases need effort, they need people,
Speaker 4: they need attention, they need That is the difference between
Speaker 4: a solved crime and an unsolved crime. And so when
Speaker 4: a case is cold or going cold, or they run
Speaker 4: out of leads, if you don't have somebody screaming to
Speaker 4: get this done, it's less likely to get done because
Speaker 4: there's fifty of them waiting, and.
Speaker 3: We don't know what could be happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: For all we know, Katie's mom calls the police department
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, twice a day.
Speaker 3: Who knows. Another good point to drive home is that
Speaker 3: sometimes they are they're like Vince said, you know, they
Speaker 3: are working on it. Yeah, it's just a they're working
Speaker 3: on it in a quiet way, and they're working on
Speaker 3: holding some of those that information, you know, close to
Speaker 3: the vest.
Speaker 4: True and maybe truly it's like it doesn't it shouldn't
Speaker 4: fall on Katie's.
Speaker 3: Mom or they need to be agreed effer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like who I feel like truly it should fall
Speaker 4: on is the gay can be unity? Yeah? The public?
Speaker 4: The public? This is our park. Yeah, Like where are
Speaker 4: we should be screaming? We should be saying what happened?
Speaker 4: And yes, there are lots of murders that happen all
Speaker 4: the time, You're right, But there's not murders like that,
Speaker 4: like that happened all the time at Peopon Park.
Speaker 3: It's so much different.
Speaker 4: It's totally different. This isn't a shooting at the gas
Speaker 4: station exactly.
Speaker 3: It's not something where someone got in a fight and
Speaker 3: suddenly pulled a gun and you know, heat of the
Speaker 3: moment kind of thing lost the cool right this, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's it sounds planned, it sounds calculated, it
Speaker 3: sounds psychotic.
Speaker 4: Yes, and it's at our community park in a gruesome
Speaker 4: way to the gay community. So to me, it's like,
Speaker 4: I don't even fault her family. I'm saying, where is
Speaker 4: the public where?
Speaker 3: But also it's like, we don't know if it was
Speaker 3: a hate crime. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. That's one of our people.
Speaker 4: It's one of our people.
Speaker 3: And like I don't I don't care what the reason was.
Speaker 3: I don't care if it was because.
Speaker 2: Of a woman.
Speaker 3: She was a woman. I don't care if the skits
Speaker 3: she's gay. She's one of us.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: You know, I just want to reiterate to Atlanta Crime
Speaker 3: Stoppers you can report anonymous, anonymously, any tips anything, like
Speaker 3: we said, just if you were anywhere around that park,
Speaker 3: even like two three days before or after, and you
Speaker 3: saw something weird.
Speaker 4: And you have something in your mind. I even think
Speaker 4: like sometimes after a crime like that and I remember this,
Speaker 4: where there was like speculation or people would be like well,
Speaker 4: there was this thing that happened, Like you're you're even
Speaker 4: if you're speculating that you thought you saw something. Again,
Speaker 4: it's like if last night the party, Like I can
Speaker 4: remember two people that I thought were kind of weird
Speaker 4: last night. I watched them. I kept an eye on them,
Speaker 4: and we were in a fully lit, very public place.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you later who it was. But I remember, yeah,
Speaker 4: I did, And so if something would have gone down,
Speaker 4: I would have remembered that. I even noted, like in
Speaker 4: my had what he was wearing and what like some details. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I just thought it's like noteworthy to me and weird,
Speaker 4: but not a big deal. Nothing happened, there was nothing done.
Speaker 4: But had the next day there been something, I would
Speaker 4: have shown up. I've been like, this guy was there,
Speaker 4: and this is the thing I saw. So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I guess I just feel like somebody saw something, even
Speaker 4: if they don't think it's relevant.
Speaker 3: Every someone saw something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't come out of thin air and show
Speaker 4: up in the park.
Speaker 3: It's not the Boogeyman.
Speaker 4: It's not the Boogeyman. He walked in and.
Speaker 3: Entry me or she. Someone carried this out exactly. And
Speaker 3: I don't know they're among us. Yeah, and it's terrifying
Speaker 3: really when you sit and think about it. There's also
Speaker 3: the aspect, and we're hoping to have some more people
Speaker 3: on that can kind of speak to what Midtown was
Speaker 3: like at that time. I mean, I know it was
Speaker 3: only five years ago, but there to me, there's I've
Speaker 3: always been cautious about going into the park when it
Speaker 3: was dark after dark, especially alone. Like we've said, it's
Speaker 3: a cut through, but it also did feel safe still,
Speaker 3: But now there's no way I'm walking through that park alone.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I know it changed the fabric of the city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a while, I carried pepper spray with me
Speaker 3: going back and forth between my condo there, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it's scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is scary. It's a different animal. Now. I'd
Speaker 4: be curious and I'm going to look this up of
Speaker 4: what the moon was like. There were definitely lights in
Speaker 4: the park, Like when we watched the news people go
Speaker 4: back the next day and film that time, it looked
Speaker 4: pretty well lit in that corner of the park to me, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I wonder what the moon was like at that time.
Speaker 4: July Tell with twenty twenty one, because if there's a
Speaker 4: full moon. It's light, it's true, you know.
Speaker 3: So there's also a lot of trees in there, though
Speaker 3: there are a lot of trees, so it could have
Speaker 3: been kind of shaded and hidden. And also there was
Speaker 3: something that Emma had said about you know, she noticed
Speaker 3: Bowie first because it was better lit where Bowie was okay,
Speaker 3: darker where Katie.
Speaker 4: Was okay, which says that what kind of what Vince said,
Speaker 4: which is the dog probably ran, you know, yeah, protected
Speaker 4: and injured and yeah, yeah, so sad it really is.
Speaker 4: And the dog like dogs are my ye witness. It's
Speaker 4: just good the word if you're capable of that. M
Speaker 4: all right, well let's pick up another part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she wasn't really extroverted, but everybody knew her, like
Speaker 2: she knew a ton of people. But she's worked in
Speaker 2: Midtown and lived here for like, lived there for eleven
Speaker 2: twelve years, I think, so she knew a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And honestly, Katie probably wouldn't care uh well people said,
Speaker 2: or she probably wouldn't want the attention. She didn't like attention.
Speaker 2: She was from the north, so she always thought Southern
Speaker 2: people were like over extra friendly, and she thought it
Speaker 2: was really weird when she first moved her, she got
Speaker 2: a little more used to it. She still would be like,
Speaker 2: you know, I HADNDS good enough for her if somebody
Speaker 2: wanted to acknowledge her on the street or something, you know,
Speaker 2: but so honestly, she probably wouldn't care too much. She
Speaker 2: I know that she knew people cared about her, and
Speaker 2: she had a lot of.
Speaker 1: Friends, and.
Speaker 2: Those people I know they'll remember her fondly because she
Speaker 2: never gave anybody a reason not to. You know, she
Speaker 2: was never hurtfull or did anything to make anybody think
Speaker 2: less of her.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's kind of the sense that we
Speaker 3: already heard about Katie just being kind of introverted, you know,
Speaker 3: didn't really like the attention. And I think that is
Speaker 3: one of the hard things with like kind of doing
Speaker 3: this case as being like, well, gosh, this person doesn't
Speaker 3: want attention. But yeah, she didn't choose to lead this
Speaker 3: earth this way.
Speaker 4: No. I noticed that too, where there's not like I
Speaker 4: think about like you and I and we don't you know,
Speaker 4: we're not attention seeking. But it's like you could find
Speaker 4: a lot of pictures of me. I noticed that it's
Speaker 4: always the same two or three pictures of Katie, and
Speaker 4: I wondered if that's because, I mean, some people's private. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they don't.
Speaker 3: Like to have their picture taken.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: I had a relative pass away a few years ago
Speaker 3: didn't want a funeral. She had made that very well known,
Speaker 3: and it was kind of hard. Like on the family,
Speaker 3: it's like what we want to, you know, remember and
Speaker 3: do all the things, but we had to dis respect
Speaker 3: those wishes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. So I think even if you're introverted,
Speaker 4: like when they were like, oh she was introverted, I
Speaker 4: think I am. I can go out and do last night,
Speaker 4: I can talk to anybody. I'm not shy at all.
Speaker 4: But I think I'm introverted. Like I relate.
Speaker 3: I feel that way too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get my energy from my downtime and my
Speaker 4: quiet time. I can have quiet time with somebody, but
Speaker 4: I don't need to be at every social event. I
Speaker 4: don't want to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I also think there's a difference between between
Speaker 3: being an introverted extrovert. You know, like we we have
Speaker 3: the ability to go out and do the things and
Speaker 3: have the loud conversations and talk to strangers. You know,
Speaker 3: some people it's just like they don't want to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I read that it is where you derive your energy.
Speaker 4: Do you derive your energy from a dinner out with
Speaker 4: six people or do you derive your energy from reading
Speaker 4: a book at home?
Speaker 3: I would say it's both for me, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: like I need both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe not opening a book, but you can listen
Speaker 4: to a book.
Speaker 3: Listening to a book, yes, But yeah, I do appreciate
Speaker 3: that Emma did take the time to go and and
Speaker 3: talk with the media. I know that she's, from what
Speaker 3: I've gathered, expressed that she really doesn't want to share
Speaker 3: more about this case.
Speaker 4: It's highly upsetting and reliving this trauma for her. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I said, the interview that we're pulling from is
Speaker 3: you know, a good few years old. But I think
Speaker 3: it does offer a glimpse into who Katie was and.
Speaker 4: A snapshot also of exactly you know, it was right
Speaker 4: after so those feelings were so fresh. But again, like sometimes,
Speaker 4: I do think it doesn't fall in the family to
Speaker 4: scream people please look at this. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 4: we are gay women living in the city just like
Speaker 4: she was. We use that park just like she did,
Speaker 4: we have dogs, we are her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in any of it, it could.
Speaker 4: Have been any of us. So I think I would
Speaker 4: love to hear the gay community make some noise on
Speaker 4: solving this crime. Absolutely all right, thanks for listening. I
Speaker 4: guess sources for this episode could be found in our
Speaker 4: show notes and just a reminder, these are opinions and
Speaker 4: speculations surrounding this case and in no way an assumption
Speaker 4: or accusation of guilt towards any specific person.