WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:30.239 Katie is my favorite person in the whole world. Got 2 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:34.920 a doubt. I spent all the time with her, and 3 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:39.039 even if like she was at work, that's normal. 4 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:40.799 And if I was at home not without her, I 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.799 want I I missed her even in those times. 6 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:46.399 You know, I always wanted her to be around. She 7 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:49.960 was funny, She's smart. 8 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.159 She always I always tell people. I'm like, you know, 9 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.079 I have random facts I like tell people, but I 10 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:59.000 always learned them from her. She has something new to 11 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:00.359 teach me every day. 12 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.200 And that was one of my favorite things about her. 13 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.879 She's so smart, like and I always told her she 14 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:11.959 could have done anything in the whole world that she 15 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.319 wanted to do. She could have been anything, but she 16 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:21.040 hated at school, so she didn't take that path. 17 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.719 But you know, she was charismatic. 18 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.200 Even if she didn't like to be around everybody all 19 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.799 the time. She was mary to herself by the time. 20 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:35.239 She liked alone time. So's she was a really good person. 21 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:36.840 She never did anything bad to anybody. 22 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:39.159 You know, she. 23 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:46.959 Was really sarcastic, maybe had a little bit of dark humor, 24 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.239 but I like that about her. 25 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:54.599 That was Emma Clark, the partner wife of Katie, Janie 26 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.799 and she was sharing some of her favorite things about Katie. 27 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.079 That interview was done Atlanta News First a few years ago, 28 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:05.560 the CBS affiliate here in Atlanta. Emma sat down and 29 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.759 did a whole long interview with them the next day 30 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:11.400 the next day to talk about who Katie was as 31 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.960 a person and also just I mean, gosh, I can't 32 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.240 even imagine the shock that she was experiencing in that moment. 33 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:21.919 She made Katie so relatable, like she sounds like a 34 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:26.639 really cool woman who would have been such a I 35 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:27.960 don't know one of us. Yeah, I. 36 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.759 Love the whole like that she loved to share random 37 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.159 facts like that's something that I too. Yeah, totally. I'm like, oh, 38 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.719 which you know, yeah, but yeah, I think you know, 39 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.520 part of the bigger picture here is that Katie was 40 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.080 a human being with a lot of people in her 41 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.639 life that really loved her. And we also understand that 42 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.280 her family and friends are very private, and that's absolutely understandable. 43 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:56.439 Not everybody wants to get on and talk with the media, 44 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.360 and I know it's also it can be a little 45 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.479 scary sometimes to talk to the media because you don't. 46 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.639 Know how they're going to twist it, right, you know, all. 47 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.800 Those things, and or you might say something with a 48 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:10.360 certain inflection that you you intended to be you know, lighthearted, 49 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:13.599 and then it's viewed as something that seems kind of sinister. 50 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.680 So no, I do notice that so many times and 51 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:21.680 crimes where they'll analyze how somebody's grieving or how somebody's 52 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.000 like standing after a crime, and it's like, oh, they 53 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.639 must be guilty or I can see where that would 54 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.000 be so intimidating. Yeah, and you don't. 55 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.599 You don't know how you're going to react in these situations, right, 56 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:38.479 And I think so often after some anytime you lose someone, 57 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.120 you're just kind of going through the motions. After all, 58 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:45.680 you're not really thinking clearly, and maybe it's something in 59 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.919 hindsight where you know, months down the road, Emmon was like, God, 60 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:51.319 how did I do that interview? 61 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:52.159 Yeah, but you don't. 62 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:56.199 She's not thinking, no, it's doing what's being asked. And 63 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.759 on top of that, I mean, the media is an 64 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.280 excellent source for being able to share your story. 65 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.759 Especially she was doing a kindness, which is to this 66 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.240 is the name flashes all over the TV and it's 67 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:11.960 the spectacular murder that everybody's glued to the TV of, 68 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.399 Like whoa you forget about the human life that's behind it. 69 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.680 And I think that's what she was very eloquent at showing, 70 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:25.480 is the human life that was behind this sensational news story. 71 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.360 Right, and that's just it. Like you know, sometimes well 72 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.360 you'll get like the longer form of the story on 73 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:35.120 dateline or twenty twenty, and it's like so often it's like, oh, 74 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:37.480 they just lit up the room. Yeah you know, yeah, 75 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.560 and it's like, okay, but who were they? 76 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:40.439 Yeah? Exactly. 77 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.839 And you know, Katie was a bartender. She's a musician, 78 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.720 wrote poetry, wrote poetry like a very it sounds like 79 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:52.639 an introspective person. Yeah, private, you know, a little quiet, 80 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.959 but you know it. It also tells me that she 81 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:58.959 liked people to be a bartender. 82 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.560 Yeah, you have to. You have to write like it's one. 83 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.000 Of the you know, I've only really bartended once, but 84 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.439 it was so much fun to like you've just got 85 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:09.399 all these different people coming up that you would never 86 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:13.480 interact with, right, and they're all excited and happy, and 87 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.199 it's like, you know, contagious. 88 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.120 I agree. I also think like I have a dog. 89 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:19.800 I walk my dog a lot, I have neighbors that 90 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.000 walk the dog. But like when I think about like 91 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:25.240 people who even take the time to get home and 92 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:28.439 go walk their dog that late at night, and or 93 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.160 making sure the dog gets a walk, Like there's already 94 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.360 a kindness to you that's solid, absolutely, like you're not 95 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:39.079 so lazy that you're just skipping the dog walk. I 96 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.399 mean to me, that's I don't know. I love someone 97 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.639 who loves their animals. I think that says a shit 98 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:44.519 ton about people. 99 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.560 Absolutely. Yeah, if you're compassionate for animals, like you're a 100 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.680 good human, right. And that's one thing that we've also 101 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.920 heard a lot from people with this story, is just 102 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.879 the sadness for Bowie. Yeah, you know, like that's a 103 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:01.720 that's such a loss and something happened not only to 104 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.000 my partner but also to my dog, my comfort. 105 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:05.240 Yeah, you know, it's true. 106 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:08.079 Gosh, Like I can't imagine the longing that Emma had 107 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:09.839 of like the. 108 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:11.560 Loss of the quiet and of the dog. 109 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.319 And yeah, to be coming home without your partner and 110 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.279 also without your dog, it's so true. 111 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.839 And I think as we play more clips of the interview, 112 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.879 I also got a sense that they were deeply in 113 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.800 love and committed. Of course, when someone dies you don't 114 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:30.160 see that, you know, everybody's glorifying everything. But my sense 115 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:37.480 is they had a very solid, quiet, happy relationship that 116 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:41.680 felt true. You never heard after this murder where we 117 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:45.439 knew people in those circles at that time. I wasn't 118 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.399 out in Midtown all the time, but I was some 119 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.079 I never heard. You know how there's some relationships that 120 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.639 are just especially lesbians, that are just loaded with drama. Yeah, 121 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:56.240 I never heard that one. 122 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:59.160 Yeah, there never was nothing like well they were back 123 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:00.079 and forth. 124 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:02.519 There was none of that. It was like they met, 125 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.879 fell in love and built a life together. Yeah, which 126 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:11.079 that is our community at its finest, working in Midtown, 127 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:12.319 building a life together. 128 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.839 I just it's tragic and really, I mean, like living 129 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.879 the dream, you know, it's it's one of those things too, 130 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.399 where like Emma said, you know, Katie's a brilliant person, 131 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.279 she's so smart, but she hated school. 132 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:24.959 Yeah. 133 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.959 Yeah, so relatable because I'm like, you know, there's so 134 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.519 many things I want to do, but yeah, I don't 135 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.000 want to go back to school, you know. But in 136 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.920 the meantime, you know, she's living this life that's kind 137 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:40.519 of simple but also happy and easy. I would think, 138 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:42.680 you know, when you don't have all those stresses of 139 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.240 like some big corporate job or something like that. Right, 140 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.560 Like there's kind of like a relaxing feeling to that 141 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:50.279 kind of life. 142 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:54.920 P Yeah, they were fulfilled enough with each other and yeah, 143 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.480 I think that's true. Let's play another club. 144 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:02.439 Yeah, we actually met a g in Midtown. She was 145 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.399 a barchingder there and I used to go there all 146 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.120 the time when I first moved to Atlanta because I 147 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.199 didn't have any friends, and my brother worked there, and. 148 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:12.560 So that's how we met. 149 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:15.439 And she always worked the day that I would go 150 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.000 up there most of the time. And one day we 151 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.160 were both just having drinks together and she said, hey, 152 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:22.399 she knew how to get me. She was like, you 153 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.240 want to come meet my dog? And I was like, 154 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.399 I do, want to come meet your dog. So we 155 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.600 went to our house and like hung out with her 156 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:32.879 and her dog. That was pretty much the beginning of everything. Oh, 157 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:38.519 that was a long time ago, probably eight years ago, 158 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:43.600 almost seven. Officially, we celebrated our six year last month. 159 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.840 So yeah, they were together for six years. And as 160 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:51.120 Emma said, they met at a bar that's now since 161 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:55.519 closed called Gee's Midtown and it's right there at that 162 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.840 tenth in Piedmont area. Okay, And it sounds like they 163 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:01.799 could and I got to know each other a little 164 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.440 bit over over some time with Katie was working at 165 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:12.000 that particular bar and the old cruise by and eventually, yeah, 166 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:16.039 Katie cast of the line there, so I get Yeah, 167 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.000 it's I like that too, of like, you know, it 168 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.759 wasn't like a dating app situation. 169 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:22.480 Yeah, it's back when we met in the WHI. 170 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.200 Yeah, like they they and we're getting to know each 171 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:26.679 other on like a friend level first. 172 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.440 Yeah, I love that too, And that they met in 173 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:33.120 the community where they eventually got a place together and 174 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:34.600 lived with their two dogs. 175 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.080 Yeah, And that was actually how Emma kind of our 176 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.000 Katie realed Emma in was to say, do you want 177 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:40.720 to come meet my dog? 178 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:43.240 Do you know if someone did that to me once? 179 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:43.720 Oh? 180 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:44.039 Really? 181 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.039 Yeah? Well, once I got there, I was like, oh god, 182 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:47.679 what am I doing? 183 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:48.679 What happened? 184 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:50.840 Is that out of here? 185 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.080 The whole like, do you want to come inside for 186 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:53.600 a drink? 187 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:56.039 Yeah, that's what you do with lesbians, You say, do 188 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:57.000 you want to meet my dog? 189 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:57.639 My dog? 190 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.600 Yeah? And I probably do Yeah exactly. 191 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.919 Emma's dad, Joe Clark, also sat down with Atlanta News 192 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.919 First to talk about Katie, Well. 193 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.720 The one thing that stands out so much for me 194 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:17.399 and the relationship, and we're extremely close, and Katie made 195 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:22.159 Emma happy. They had a good life together. They've they've 196 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.759 they've started with nothing, they built on that. They lost 197 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.000 their first home in a house fower and they had 198 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.799 to move to where they live now. But they were 199 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:38.399 so resilient through that process. And Katie, like she said, 200 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.960 was she was so intelligent. I loved conversation with her 201 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:46.519 because there's several subjects that her and I could talk 202 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:49.399 about and she always knew the answer, which was awesome. 203 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:54.759 But the way it is affecting Emma through this, I 204 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:59.120 always knew that Emma was safe with Katie and she 205 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:03.240 protected her. She was They had such a great relationship 206 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.080 that when for a parent, if you don't have to 207 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.559 worry about your children all the time, which most do, 208 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.000 but I knew as long as they were together, I 209 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:16.919 didn't have to worry about Emma. And Katie feeled that part, 210 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:20.759 just as any life partner does. Is someone who she 211 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.519 cared so much about Emma. She made sure that Emma 212 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:27.519 was okay, and Emma did the same thing for her. 213 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:32.000 What he says there about just feeling like his daughter 214 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:33.000 was safe with Jimmy. 215 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.480 I feel like that with adult kids now. I know 216 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:41.000 that exact feeling. When your child has somebody that there, 217 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.759 you feel a sense of like if they're out on 218 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.320 a Saturday night, I know this person has them. With 219 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.720 my kids, it's more friendships at this age, but even so, 220 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.600 I know that or somebody that you know they can 221 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:56.919 confide in if shit's hard, like their best person there. 222 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.679 I relate to that so hard. Yeah, want that so 223 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:01.879 deeply for your kids. 224 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.120 And like, that's something my parents have expressed to me. Yeah, 225 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:08.240 they feel better when they know that I'm like with someone. 226 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:09.360 Yeah. 227 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.440 I think they even feel better when they know that 228 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.159 I'm up here and I'm staying at your place. 229 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.320 Yeah, you know it's a safety and so. 230 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.799 And you can just tell the sincerity there that Joe 231 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.559 really cared about Katie, Yeah, and was happy for them 232 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:23.600 as a couple and. 233 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:27.360 Brooding for them. That Katie's family was still in Michigan. 234 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:28.440 Is that correct? Yeah? 235 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.039 I believe Katie's mom and sister still live in Michigan. 236 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.799 I know that they. You know, they're very private, quiet. 237 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:41.240 People believe they sent a letter just expressing how terrible 238 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.720 the loss was yeah, so that you know, again, I 239 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:51.679 totally understand that some people just don't feel comfortable getting 240 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:55.200 on camera and talking and sharing their feelings. And also, 241 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.279 I mean, gosh, I can't even imagine if I if 242 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.639 I lost my child to get on TV and talk. 243 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:02.440 I don't even think I could. 244 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.399 I don't think I could. But I do think I 245 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:06.799 have a rage in me. 246 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:10.200 Yeah, that's where I would. 247 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:12.799 Be so angry that it would have to go somewhere. 248 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:17.279 I admire people that can don't have that. Like I 249 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.759 think my anger would would have me out in front 250 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.639 of that police department screaming yeah, like a like a 251 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.600 crazy person, especially if I sensed you know, like even 252 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:32.960 when we heard that police officer talking to the news say, 253 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.639 I know it's frustrating for you that we haven't found 254 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:40.000 anyone or told you anything. And then there were rumors 255 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:41.799 that we don't know if it's true, but that there 256 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.519 was male DNA found that the scene. That's not confirmed. 257 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.440 Maybe we can look into that and see if that 258 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:51.039 actually did get confirmed. But to me, that again would 259 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.320 have been public good public information, because then it could 260 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.720 have people thinking about a man, not thinking about a woman. Yeah, 261 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.120 when they're thinking about who saw at the park, which 262 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:02.919 this is something you and I have talked about, which 263 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:06.360 is that somebody saw something like it doesn't mean that 264 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.000 you thought they were bad. I saw somebody yet people 265 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.759 yesterday all day. I'm sure if there was a crime 266 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.000 at the festival, I would start going through my mind 267 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.159 of weird things I saw, and then there's you know, 268 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:21.399 your brain starts to kind of remember things. Probably nothing, 269 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.759 but it could be something. So I think that it 270 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.200 is frustrating. 271 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.799 Yeah, or even just like you know the fact of 272 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:31.919 we were taking videos yesterday, I went into the gas 273 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.679 station and there was these two guys. They were shooting 274 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.000 something like I think TikTok or something. I talked to 275 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.159 them real briefly, and you know, they could have caught 276 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:44.200 something on cameras. So it goes like, you know, people 277 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.279 have You're always taking pictures and videos and stuff, and 278 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.679 it's like, were you in the park on that night, 279 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.720 that day the next day, did you take some pictures? 280 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:53.840 Like look closer at it. 281 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.919 I feel fairly confident at any given time, and this 282 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.679 is something that we should look into. But that park 283 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.600 being where it is, being a cut through, it's one 284 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.200 hundred and eighty nine acres. I bet at any given 285 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.240 time in that park there are more than one hundred people. 286 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.720 Oh yeah, it's like, I don't You're right, like out 287 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.759 of all those people, did they look and truly unhoused 288 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:18.120 people have cell phones? 289 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:19.399 Yeah, it's very true. 290 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.919 So it's not like that, you know, it's like you're 291 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.320 not going to get any information. There's plenty of information, 292 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.000 probably a wealth of information because they know that park 293 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.879 backwards and forwards. They know who belongs there who doesn't. 294 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.639 And in twenty twenty one, we were still kind of 295 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.440 in the COVID era. A lot of people were still 296 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.840 hanging out in the park as their activity today, you know, 297 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.320 it's a socild thing. Yeah, because it was outside, it 298 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.759 felt a little safer, you know, not being an enclosed space. 299 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.440 And it's like, I feel like the park was very 300 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.000 very active. Yeah, you know, I would agree, even though 301 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.480 it was hot in July or whatever. But that also 302 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.960 says too, like with the heat of you know, a 303 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.919 lot more people are probably out later at night for 304 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.000 sure during that time, or early in the morning when 305 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:04.559 it's cooler. 306 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.080 Melissa and I have a friend who is a was 307 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.200 an Atlanta police officer who's now retired, who we consulted 308 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.240 with just some general questions, and one thing that she 309 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:18.240 did say very clearly is she's like, they are there's 310 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.399 a cold case department that continues to work these cases 311 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.279 until they're solved. She said. But she said, if people 312 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:30.960 aren't screaming and putting pressure after a certain point, less 313 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.720 happens on that case, Like the squeaky wheel gets the oil, 314 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.799 is basically what she said. Yeah, So, like she talked 315 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.360 about a case where there was nine rapes that happened 316 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.120 by the same person. They could tell it was the 317 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:46.080 same person in and around Atlanta, and that nobody was 318 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:49.519 really doing anything. She ended up getting the case and 319 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:53.120 basically it got solved very quickly. She's like, because the 320 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.519 department got pressured, they brought more people in to look 321 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.559 into it, and it was solved in thirty six hours. Yeah. 322 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:05.279 So it's just like these cases need effort, they need people, 323 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.559 they need attention, they need That is the difference between 324 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.599 a solved crime and an unsolved crime. And so when 325 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.519 a case is cold or going cold, or they run 326 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:18.119 out of leads, if you don't have somebody screaming to 327 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.839 get this done, it's less likely to get done because 328 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.279 there's fifty of them waiting, and. 329 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:26.759 We don't know what could be happening behind the scenes. 330 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:27.039 You know. 331 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:30.000 For all we know, Katie's mom calls the police department 332 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:30.960 every day. 333 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:32.279 Yeah, you know, twice a day. 334 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.359 Who knows. Another good point to drive home is that 335 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.920 sometimes they are they're like Vince said, you know, they 336 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.880 are working on it. Yeah, it's just a they're working 337 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.119 on it in a quiet way, and they're working on 338 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.359 holding some of those that information, you know, close to 339 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:48.799 the vest. 340 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.039 True and maybe truly it's like it doesn't it shouldn't 341 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:54.440 fall on Katie's. 342 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.160 Mom or they need to be agreed effer. 343 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:58.920 Yeah, Like who I feel like truly it should fall 344 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:01.599 on is the gay can be unity? Yeah? The public? 345 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:05.440 The public? This is our park. Yeah, Like where are 346 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:08.759 we should be screaming? We should be saying what happened? 347 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.680 And yes, there are lots of murders that happen all 348 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.480 the time, You're right, But there's not murders like that, 349 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:16.920 like that happened all the time at Peopon Park. 350 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:18.119 It's so much different. 351 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.400 It's totally different. This isn't a shooting at the gas 352 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:22.799 station exactly. 353 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.559 It's not something where someone got in a fight and 354 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.319 suddenly pulled a gun and you know, heat of the 355 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.240 moment kind of thing lost the cool right this, I 356 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:36.440 don't know, it's it sounds planned, it sounds calculated, it 357 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:37.720 sounds psychotic. 358 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:42.559 Yes, and it's at our community park in a gruesome 359 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.480 way to the gay community. So to me, it's like, 360 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.359 I don't even fault her family. I'm saying, where is 361 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:49.480 the public where? 362 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:53.440 But also it's like, we don't know if it was 363 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.680 a hate crime. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, 364 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.319 it doesn't matter. That's one of our people. 365 00:18:58.440 --> 00:18:59.359 It's one of our people. 366 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.960 And like I don't I don't care what the reason was. 367 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:04.200 I don't care if it was because. 368 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:04.400 Of a woman. 369 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:06.200 She was a woman. I don't care if the skits 370 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.359 she's gay. She's one of us. 371 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:08.799 Yep. 372 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.079 You know, I just want to reiterate to Atlanta Crime 373 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:18.240 Stoppers you can report anonymous, anonymously, any tips anything, like 374 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:20.799 we said, just if you were anywhere around that park, 375 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.319 even like two three days before or after, and you 376 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:24.400 saw something weird. 377 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:26.319 And you have something in your mind. I even think 378 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.079 like sometimes after a crime like that and I remember this, 379 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.759 where there was like speculation or people would be like well, 380 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.920 there was this thing that happened, Like you're you're even 381 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.839 if you're speculating that you thought you saw something. Again, 382 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:42.400 it's like if last night the party, Like I can 383 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:44.960 remember two people that I thought were kind of weird 384 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.079 last night. I watched them. I kept an eye on them, 385 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.200 and we were in a fully lit, very public place. 386 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:53.319 But I'll tell you later who it was. But I remember, yeah, 387 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.640 I did, And so if something would have gone down, 388 00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:59.759 I would have remembered that. I even noted, like in 389 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.799 my had what he was wearing and what like some details. Yeah, 390 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:06.559 because I just thought it's like noteworthy to me and weird, 391 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.559 but not a big deal. Nothing happened, there was nothing done. 392 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.160 But had the next day there been something, I would 393 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.279 have shown up. I've been like, this guy was there, 394 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:16.640 and this is the thing I saw. So I don't know. 395 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:19.799 I guess I just feel like somebody saw something, even 396 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.400 if they don't think it's relevant. 397 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:22.599 Every someone saw something. 398 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:24.519 Yeah, he didn't come out of thin air and show 399 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:25.079 up in the park. 400 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:26.039 It's not the Boogeyman. 401 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.279