1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:05,719 Speaker 1: Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the gen 2 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:09,160 V season two review series. I'm the kool aid Man 3 00:00:09,359 --> 00:00:10,240 Tress now and. 4 00:00:10,199 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: I'm joined by Bunker tator Field. 5 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Yes, le Jim, we are back. Kind of crazy. We 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:18,359 only got the penultimate next week and then finale, so 7 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:20,239 we're almost done, so you can go back and listen 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,320 to we've been reviewing all of GENV. Thank you everyone 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,000 that's been listening. Lots of good stuff on the feeds 10 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:27,399 right now. Peacemakers ending this week, and then I'll say 11 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:28,760 you said gen V's on its wit to end. But 12 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:30,600 then just in a couple of weeks we'll be starting 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,200 you and me again, just like GENV. We'll be doing it. 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,719 Welcome to dary Well. We'll have to figure out, uh, 15 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:37,880 we'll have to figure out one of those days, because 16 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,920 you look like you're busy one of those the premiere 17 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,600 episodes we're gonna I don't know if that's a Monday 18 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:46,119 or a Tressel. We'll figure that all out, but we 19 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,159 will be covering it. And yeah, lots of good stuff. 20 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,359 We have tron Aris, we have Shelby Oaks, we got 21 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:56,039 the Black Phone, still hoping we get the Germeo Deltaorro Frankenstein, 22 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:58,280 but I don't think so. We had this movie that's 23 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:01,479 I can't remember, Oh, Dynamite. I'm excited to see it. 24 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:04,159 It's a Netflix movie with Rebecca Ferguson's supposed to be 25 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,560 very good, but it's just like a political drama. We 26 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,159 get that Franket steigin No We're in sight, so you 27 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:11,280 know we'll see. But if it's not that. Lots of 28 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,200 good stuff on the feed side quest Every week, Dalane's 29 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,040 got a couple of solo episodes coming out. Show to 30 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,760 check that out. I got trash told you some fun 31 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:19,959 ones in the next little bit, and then I got 32 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,519 I might do a bonus one this week, and then 33 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,239 the gimmick will be in the next two weekends because 34 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:25,680 we've got some big episodes and shows to cover. We 35 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:27,359 don't know the exact times and stuff, but just look 36 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:29,239 at those USU are gonna drop the next couple weekends. 37 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:31,640 So yeah, lots of good stuff. The most importantly is 38 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,159 extual Life, which I will talk about in a little bit, 39 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,159 But tonight we're gonna start off with the non spoilers 40 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,000 thoughts on gen V episode six. Taylor Hi film so 41 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,079 far we're going in the last two episodes, you're feeling good, 42 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:46,239 feeling worried, filing, So hum, where are you feeling? 43 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,439 Speaker 2: Surprised at how short this episode was? 44 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: Is peacemaker level? Sure? It was. It was. 45 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: It kind of caught me off guard, and so. 46 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:00,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mean to take it, Yeah, take it. 47 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,760 Take to posters is gonna rip down? 48 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:03,959 Speaker 2: Yet? 49 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: What a sure? I'd say this. So I enjoyed this episode. 50 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,840 Luckily I'd have to rewatch it. But I think overall, 51 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:13,159 on the whole, I do enjoy gen V season two 52 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:16,960 more because I do enjoy the whole boys and crazy 53 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,800 stuff and everything, and that was the fun thing about 54 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,599 the college stuff. But I think there were some episodes 55 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,560 just didn't exactly work. But I like that it's still 56 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,879 pretty plot driven. We got I'll just say, we got 57 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,719 the characters we care about. I'd say, back together, which 58 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,599 is good. I'm liking the trajector they're going with them, 59 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,319 And I feel like this was just a setup for 60 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,280 the next two episodes because I feel like the penultiate 61 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,319 it's gonna be a lot of stuff, and then the finale. 62 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:40,199 I think the finale is gonna be pretty big because 63 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:42,080 maybe Amazon's already let them know, but we don't know 64 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:44,719 for sure if this is the last episode or not, right, 65 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,280 whether it's they it just ends and they're like, oh, yeah, 66 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:48,800 that is the end the show. These characters are gonna 67 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,719 go into the boys or other stuff, or they it 68 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,159 just ends because like all the viewers weren't there, right 69 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,039 or maybe season three. We don't know. We'll cover that 70 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:57,960 like on a newscast or something. But uh so, I'm 71 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,280 that's what I think. I think this was a good episode. 72 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,199 But it was and not bad set up. I enjoyed 73 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,439 all the interactions. I enjoyed the reveals. I enjoyed the 74 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:06,360 people that were coming in and out of it and 75 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:09,240 stuff going on. We got some cameos. It's funny. Last 76 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,360 week we're talking about certain storyline, like how did that end? 77 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,719 And literally in the recap this episode they show it's like, 78 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:16,080 oh right there he goes, so uh no, to me, 79 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:17,639 that's what it was. It was a calmed before the 80 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,800 storm where I think a lot of shit's gonna go down, 81 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:22,439 but not in a bad way. I think there's some episodes, 82 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,520 you know, joking, but like peace Maker, I've had that 83 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:26,599 before where it's like, oh it is kind of a 84 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,039 calm before a storm, but really nothing happens. You could 85 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:31,280 have done this in five minutes where this feels like 86 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,639 there is some things progressing or progression progressing, and uh, 87 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:39,319 yeah some new doors opened, and yeah, everything's good. I 88 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,080 think there's one storyline that I just I hope it 89 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,759 doesn't go on for too long. I really have no 90 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,840 interest in. I get what they're doing. You kind of 91 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:47,680 have to do those beats. But it is one of 92 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,240 those situations where if one character maybe just talk to another, 93 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:54,719 you could maybe put this kebash on this issue, but 94 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,280 there has to be drama, so it's like, all right. 95 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:59,039 So and it went different than I thought. I can 96 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,800 say because last week, if you're listening to what I 97 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,080 saw last week, and maybe people might be disappointed by this, 98 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,080 I don't know. I thought last week the way it 99 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,319 set up, I thought this week was gonna be a 100 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,319 very action heavy episode with them trying to gather the prison. 101 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,240 Really wasn't They got, you know, minsports. They got out 102 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,400 of that prison very fast, and that was on to 103 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:16,800 the rest of the stuff. So I was thinking it 104 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,480 was gonna be an action episode, but really it was 105 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:21,399 a lot of Okay, look at what's coming where these 106 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:25,439 characters going, And yeah, so overall, another great episode, I hope, uh, 107 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:28,000 I will say that. I think there's been. I think 108 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,560 the show has just been good to very good overall. 109 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,720 I don't know if I've had an episode Moore I'm like, oh, wow, 110 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,720 that's great where that's something where like what the shows 111 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,959 were reviewing, Oh like this is Clear's dexter for alien 112 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,120 on Earth, I'd say Clear is the alien or for Peacemaker. 113 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,199 I would say that overall the season, I like gen 114 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:46,759 V Moore, but I think Peacemakers had some stronger episodes. 115 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:49,399 So I'm kind of hoping either the finale or penultimate 116 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:51,959 episode have like that one episode gen V and we're like, 117 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,279 oh that was I'm gonna remember this for you know, 118 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:56,000 a couple months where we are on TV Land, but 119 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:58,000 just something big and juicy, right. But overall, I think 120 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,480 it's been a very good, a very good season, other 121 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:02,879 than we've kind of you know, lost some steaks here 122 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:06,800 and there. But what do you think about this episode? Finally, Yeah, I. 123 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:09,319 Speaker 2: Just think that it's as I said, it was shorter 124 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:13,639 than expected, but it caught me off guard when we 125 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:19,079 introduced a few things. They really do a good job 126 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,199 at kind of cementing and reaffirming like, hey, this is 127 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:24,680 in the Boys universe obviously, and that we're going to 128 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,879 be introducing a few more heavy haters here in the 129 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,319 narratives that you can be reminded of. This isn't right. 130 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:32,759 I kot about that person too, Yeah, but I couldn't 131 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:37,160 agree more. The whole fight sequence with the prison very short. 132 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:38,759 I thought we're gonna get something a little bit more 133 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:41,519 blown up from that. But when we break that down 134 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:43,199 in the spoiler part, it'll be kind of funny to 135 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,399 just kind of nippick it because it's just so freaking quick. 136 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:49,199 Speaker 1: And like everything in the show, right, all the problems, 137 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,639 they get out of their problems really fast. And Jen 138 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,519 b that's my bigest con for this show is it's 139 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,759 very very easy. Where I feel like Boys, it's a 140 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,199 little it's a little harder like the State, the consequences 141 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,680 go on for a little longer, you know. 142 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: They do. And there's a few things in here that, 143 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,800 particularly with Cipher, the moment they show him for the 144 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,399 first time in this episode, I'm like, oh, I'm really 145 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,800 surprised here at the reaction, which will break down in 146 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:20,879 spoilers because I totally. I thought with the way things 147 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,560 ended last week, they were setting something up specifically and 148 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:29,600 a certain narrative, and the theory stands. The theory stands 149 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,519 as soon as we break with oh it still stands. Oh, yes, 150 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,279 it still stands. I'm gonna break that. 151 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:36,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 152 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: Spoilers. Yeah, but no, just like his plan though from Marie, 153 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:44,040 I feel like how they did things in the last 154 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,120 episode and then where things ended up here, it's just 155 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:52,079 I'm kind of confused. But yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm 156 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,279 really really excited to see where we're gonna go next episode. 157 00:06:54,399 --> 00:06:59,920 And uh, I'm you know, they can't all be home Run, 158 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,800 so you gotta have a couple of. 159 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yeah you are, I guess. So the 160 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,160 couple the couple of shows, I'd say, you know, have 161 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:09,560 I have some home you know, Dexter season one, home 162 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:12,000 Run after home Run, you know, but you know, rare cases. 163 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:14,519 But yeah, there we go. Well anything else done to words? 164 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: Tay there? 165 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: Nope, Well there you go. So we're gonna get in 166 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,240 and spoiled. So you've not seen the episode, come back 167 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:21,240 after this ad break and then we're gonna break it 168 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:24,800 down and we're back. So office you could join Petron 169 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,120 to skip those ads and get a bunch of stuff 170 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,199 right now. We've got the shining on there. We got 171 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:33,839 the comic versions, which is Predator versus Spider Man, Black Panther, Wolvering. 172 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,680 You didn't know this, Yes, Marvel Comes has done this. 173 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 These episodes plus a bunch of other ones will go that. 174 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,639 But most importantly for the next month. Here literally now, Taylor, 175 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,120 we are a month of the way. It's October eighth, 176 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,639 The Times recording November eighth, our ninth annual twenty four 177 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,480 hour stream for the VC shows. Hospital gonna be tons 178 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:50,759 of fun. Like I said after GV Day, I'm ready 179 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:52,560 because we got to one am. I was starting to 180 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,839 feel in the bones there. But that's a little different 181 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:56,920 because we did a little podcasts that they did some swimming. 182 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,279 You know where this is gonna be a lot of 183 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:00,600 games and a lot of events. You can go down 184 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:02,600 the link below that's where you can find out the events. 185 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:04,480 Some of the events. I think that's most of them, 186 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:05,680 but there could be a couple of other ones. To 187 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,600 sneak in the events, the schedule, the unlocked goals, each 188 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,680 goals in a five hundred dollars inclement, and you can 189 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,399 see what you can unlock some of its new content 190 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,680 for this next couple of months. Some of it's just 191 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,519 day of Shenanigans. Me and Taylor could be in some 192 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,720 gross Harry Potter jelly beans if you go a certain routes. 193 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,439 Its been a while since I've done that, so we'll 194 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,680 put ourselves through that. But yeah, all the money goes 195 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,399 towards PC Chilren's Hospital. You can donate that is tax defectible. 196 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:33,000 You could buy the Extra Life shirt, which is we 197 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:37,519 got the Jurassic Park, Superman and Fantastic Four. Those proceeds 198 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,000 also go to Extra Life. And yeah, we'd appreciate if 199 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,919 you could donate anything. And if you can't, just the 200 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:44,919 day of come watch like the stream, share the stream. 201 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:47,159 That stuff all helps because there's always something that could 202 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,360 donate that maybe is seen us for the first time, 203 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:51,840 which just happened multiple years. So we'd very much appreciate 204 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,080 that because all these costs go directly towards PC Chilren's Hospital. 205 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,799 There for recovery, there for surgery, is there for just 206 00:08:57,919 --> 00:09:00,799 any patient care for the parents, yes, but more so 207 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,120 for the kids and stuff. And yeah, we'd very appreciate it. 208 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,320 And it's just a very very fun day. It's even 209 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,120 though we have December and November, it's still like I 210 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,159 feel like it's like our our year end. I feel 211 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:10,960 like if we had seasons and geek first, like the 212 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,480 season finale each year would be extra life. But it 213 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:16,759 doesn't matter because me and Taylor got it the next day, 214 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,519 so that'll be a fun review. Ta gotta get some 215 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,919 sleep and then it. But here we're talking about Jen 216 00:09:21,039 --> 00:09:23,879 b So Taylor, let's start with him because he was 217 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:26,000 not actually in this episode this much, but explained to 218 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,799 me because you were talking with somebody who were explaining 219 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:30,679 to me this is cipher theory because I had heard 220 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,519 it and I agree with the kind of mind blown. 221 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,840 I do have a question this episode of why said 222 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:36,799 character would do this and what it would if it 223 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,679 would go against that, But what is this theory right 224 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,440 now that he have a cipher? 225 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:43,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? So Kat like just talking to my coworker, My 226 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,960 co is big on the show, and he just he 227 00:09:47,039 --> 00:09:48,759 looks at me when I walk into work. He's like, oh, so, 228 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,039 like you know the like what they're doing here with 229 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,519 cipher right and and Thomas Kadalkin And I'm like, what. 230 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: It's like, Well, yeah. 231 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: If you don't want to know what this theory is 232 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,320 like again, you can skip this spoiler and just go 233 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:06,399 jump ahead a few minutes. 234 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: It's not a he doesn't have he doesn't Your friend 235 00:10:10,519 --> 00:10:12,080 here is not in the know or any he's not 236 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:12,559 in the know. 237 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: But I think like it in me. Then I was like, oh, 238 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,559 the case is cracked. So, uh we learned in this 239 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:22,799 episode obviously that Thomas Cadualkin is still alive. They never 240 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,480 found the body. The body was burned in the fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 241 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,840 so here we can reaffirm. Okay, well the body is here. 242 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,000 It's in this uh sealed, air tight chamber. It's being 243 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:39,000 manned by Cipher. And so my friend at work he's like, yeah, 244 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,919 so Cipher is just a body that's being can mind 245 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,759 controlled by the corpse, the burnt, charred corpse, which is 246 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:48,440 Thomas Godulkin. And I'm thinking, holy crap, it makes perfect 247 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,120 sense because you have godalkin who he's taking control of Cipher. 248 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:56,919 And when Sister Sage was there, Sister Sage was having 249 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,519 sex with Cipher but was making strong icon intact with 250 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,240 the burnt guy, and the burnt guy was just staring 251 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:06,679 at him. Uh, and are staring at her. And then 252 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:09,960 you've got Cipher injuring himself, like when he's talking to 253 00:11:10,039 --> 00:11:12,000 Polarity and he just takes the knife and jabs it 254 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:13,960 into his hand. It doesn't care like it's just a 255 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:19,360 body that's being controlled by the main big baddie here, 256 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,679 Thomas Cadalkin. And so Cipher doesn't And again that's another 257 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,720 thing too, Marie couldn't detect v in him, couldn't detect 258 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,200 powers or whatever. 259 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: Let's thought, my theory is right that as a human, 260 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:32,279 because that's a while, which I guess I still could 261 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,799 be this the vessel. 262 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:36,639 Speaker 2: I think that humans still the vessel. Yeah, so couldn't 263 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,919 detect that he had powers, and yet he had powers. 264 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,039 It's because he is a vessel and he's being controlled 265 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,200 and Thomas Cadalkin is just fucking oh. It makes sense 266 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,080 why he'd have such intense powers, because he's just O 267 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,200 g looking for God to your soups. Right, So there's 268 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,279 so many different things that are happening. And now in 269 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,759 this episode where you have Cipher doing the legs stretching 270 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:59,639 and whatnot, I mean, his goal is to keep the 271 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:05,320 body alive. That's his body. He's just ina in that 272 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,200 stretching scene. 273 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: Why did he beat the ship of that body? Then 274 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,679 that's the only time I was like, I didn't think 275 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,480 that the theory. 276 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: Is wrong because he's mad and here's nothing why not? 277 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: Why not? Why wouldn't Cipher? Why wouldn't to Dulkin or 278 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,159 how you say his name sound like a fucking street 279 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Fire anime character, But like, why would he have him 280 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,399 hit Cipher hit himself there? Why would he have him 281 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,000 hit his own body that he's trying to heal up. 282 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: I think that this is a comparison to the scene 283 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:36,320 where you see him making Polarity slap himself. I think 284 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:40,559 here you can see he could have hit himself, yes, 285 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,039 like he could have made Cipher like hit the Cipher body. 286 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,919 But I think they did this intentionally to show like 287 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:49,039 why didn't he just do that towards his own book, 288 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,639 like to the burnt body. I'm trying to say this 289 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,320 where it's not gonna confusing. When you look at these 290 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,799 two side by side, you see Cipher doing it to 291 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,120 Polarity and he's just waving his arm making him do it, 292 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,360 and then you see him physically doing it to the 293 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,639 burnt body, which again indicates okay, like he can't mind 294 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,879 control himself. He's not mind controlling Kadulka because he is 295 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:12,159 that character, and he's doing it just because hit the 296 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,039 sees he sees. It's not a thing of like I'm 297 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,399 just gonna hurt my vessel because I'm pissed off. It's 298 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,480 the thing where he sees his body. He sees he's 299 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,080 standing there doing these stretches and whatnot, and he's angry 300 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:25,200 because the best chance he had it saving his body 301 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,879 just disappeared because of plot, armor and writing or whatever. 302 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,600 It just dis Murray disappeared. So he's pissed and he 303 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:33,840 sees his body, sees his weakend state, and he's mad. 304 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:36,000 He's like that's why he's saying like, oh you know, 305 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:38,759 you idiot, you failure. No, and he's like smacking his 306 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:41,679 body because he's just upset with the state that he's in. 307 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:45,960 So and that too, Marie escaping, that was all way 308 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,240 way too quick when I can't remember the chap's name, 309 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,240 but he just shows up out of the blue after 310 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:55,759 just kind of cutting them out last episode. So there's that, Sam, 311 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,679 But Sam, thank you. The thing I'll just I'll close 312 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,639 upon here. Then you can talk about the theory but 313 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,600 when Marie escapes and finds Annabath, and it's like, oh, 314 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,159 Annabeth is bleeding out, saves Anabath, and then it cuts 315 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,440 to them escaping successfully, and then Cipher is pissed off 316 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,240 about this and mad. Yeah, he starts slapping himself, as 317 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:20,320 I'm gonna put it. But what confuses me is, Okay, 318 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:25,919 did they just slit Annabeth's neck and just not expect 319 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,000 them to escape and save her? Was that not a 320 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:30,679 part of the plan to push it was a part 321 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:33,240 of the plan, But then why would Cipher not have 322 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:36,399 prepared better for that or be pissed that they actually escape? 323 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:40,759 Speaker 1: Like it's just no, Yeah, I agree, so the theory, 324 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:43,159 I actually do agree other than him hitting himself, I've 325 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,600 thrown that in there, and I think that might be 326 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:46,759 a way for them to just try to throw a 327 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,080 red herring. But all the lines up and almost to 328 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,120 the point where I'm not gonna be mad if it's 329 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,320 not that. But it's one of those cases where it 330 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:56,320 is tough where you hear like a better theory for 331 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,759 what actually ends up happening, which obviously we just went 332 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:00,759 through Deck's resurrection, right, and we had a lot of 333 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:03,279 those where there's good theories and they didn't end up 334 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,320 being true. It was X, Y and Z and then 335 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:08,000 we got some mess stuff. So just because there's good 336 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:10,559 theories out there doesn't mean that's the case. So oh 337 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,639 hang on, I get some nut cracks there. But yeah, 338 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:15,279 I think that there's true And then I think that's 339 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,720 the problem with the show is like, okay, so because 340 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:21,200 even Maria says that right of all, that's what Cipher 341 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,799 wanted me to do. Was heard it he killed her 342 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:26,279 so I could save her right and unlocked the powers 343 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:29,639 because that'd be the most compromised emotional state she could be. Right. 344 00:15:29,679 --> 00:15:31,840 We see the all time in X Men and this 345 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:34,120 and other superhos stuff where it's always like when someone 346 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,360 is at their peak emotional, whether it's rage or just anger, 347 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,759 that's when their powers just disperse out their body. 348 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: Right. 349 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: But to your point, it's like, then why wasn't there 350 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:46,440 a swat team or why wasn't Viking guy outside this 351 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:48,279 jail waiting for them there? 352 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:48,519 Speaker 2: Right? 353 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:52,799 Speaker 1: And I guess you could say, like, okay, Sam was 354 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:55,039 the wrinkle into that, but I just feel like one 355 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,200 they didn't prepare for anybody else coming, like they never 356 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,200 thought that maybe polarity or even Sam or just they 357 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:03,039 might have a friend on the outside that might help them, 358 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:06,399 because he's already right away he phones like that girl 359 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,240 that's helping them, right, the girl that's pretending to be 360 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:13,960 anti Starlighter. He tricked them. He had Parla Polarity phone her, 361 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:16,399 remember that girl, and she gave the location up. So 362 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:19,559 it's like he knows that they have other friendlies out there. 363 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:21,919 So it's like not at the realm possibility someone would 364 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,159 get them. So one is okay, I guess that could 365 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,240 be the case, but why don't think of that? And 366 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:28,240 then even too, it's like in this facility, why is 367 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:31,240 there not anybody around on the outside? 368 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: So I they kept making a point last episode, Jordan's like, 369 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:38,559 there's no one here. This is suspicious. It's like, well again, 370 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,559 they're intentionally letting them escape. 371 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where but it didn't seem like that 372 00:16:43,039 --> 00:16:45,639 after the fact, right because it was intentional. I feel 373 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:47,679 like Cipher would know exactly where they are or have 374 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:49,919 like a tracker on them or something. Right, Even then, 375 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:51,679 why don't all these characters have a tracker on them? 376 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,440 Don't they like they put callers on them? Is there 377 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:57,000 no one like shooting them? With like a little like 378 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,639 used be stick or something, you know. So again, I 379 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,360 think that's what happens with the show, is they do 380 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:04,960 some big things, but they get out of it very easy, 381 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:06,480 just to kind of progress the plot. So I do 382 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:08,519 think that is still the weakest part of this show. 383 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:10,920 And it just continues to happen multiple times, and that 384 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,200 does take down the score for me quite a bit, 385 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,359 almost like a point five. Maybe not each time, but 386 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,119 just little nicks here and there. It's like again and again. 387 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:20,480 So watch it happens with the finale. But the same thing. 388 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:23,279 If this finale ends on a big cliffhanger, I'm not 389 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,400 gonna be rock and be like, oh my god, how 390 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,359 they gonna have it? Because season three might pick up 391 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,000 and they might just like that get out of it. 392 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:32,319 Even in this right, this happens and he calls Zeipher, 393 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,200 he gets on the phone where he or he gets 394 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,920 does he talk to no? He says to Polarity's what 395 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:38,839 a or wait? Did he talk to Marie at one 396 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,319 point when he was doing this pitch about all the 397 00:17:43,519 --> 00:17:45,799 Maybe it's just Polarity, maybe I'm misremembering stuff, but he 398 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,640 was making the pitch about, hey, if you come back 399 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,720 I'll let all your friends go. If you train me, 400 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:51,680 they can go, or no way do whatever was was that? 401 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:53,680 What was he saying that to Plarity or did he 402 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,519 talk to Marie at all? 403 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I don't think he talked to Marie. 404 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: I think I don't think so in my see in 405 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:02,480 my head it felt like that. But either way, that 406 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,400 was his pitch right. So again then breaking out doing 407 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,000 all this stuff, going in the prison like for a 408 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,519 third for a second time. Now it's like, we put 409 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:11,000 you in this prison, but if you just come work 410 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:12,599 with me, everything's all good and you guys go back 411 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:14,519 to your normal life. So it's like it was weird 412 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:16,640 because a couple I guess it was last week when 413 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:19,519 sister Stage said that of you can't do it this way, 414 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:21,160 it's not gonna work, and he said, oh, we're gonna 415 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,519 do it differently this time, not really like the thing is, 416 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,039 you put him in prison, they escape and think, okay, 417 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,319 it says the really last warning though this time and 418 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:32,279 they get out of it right. So it is again 419 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:35,319 it's tough because I like Camish Laker link later. I 420 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,759 like that character, but it's just they feel like a 421 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,799 very easy, easy beatable kind of boss right now, you know, so, uh, 422 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,599 but we'll see. I hope that theory is true and 423 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:46,960 I hope we learn about it. But yeah, in this episode, 424 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,440 we were talking about right this last episode to go 425 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:51,920 into this episode, we were talking about Victoria Newman because 426 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,400 we're trying to figure out who killed the one. I 427 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,720 still can't remember the full context of why Billy Butcher 428 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,319 did that. I couldn't remember if it was out of 429 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,160 his control or what. But yeah, she died and now 430 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:01,720 her daughter. 431 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,839 Speaker 2: I think it's out of his control because I was 432 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,559 reading into it and it's snapped or something like the 433 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,000 tumor is sentient. 434 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, because I thought there's a couple of times 435 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,920 because I did not love that season. I think we 436 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,480 both kind of had as the weakest. But I thought 437 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,559 there's a couple of storyline times where they made almost 438 00:19:17,599 --> 00:19:19,880 like the Hulk, where he would like wake up and 439 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,599 not know what happened, right Butcher with everything that's happening, 440 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,039 with the stuff that's in him. So I think that's 441 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,000 one thing. But yeah, so she's there with John Carla's posito, 442 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,680 and I get a character that I'm kind of kind 443 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,599 of like Kate. I'm hoping that he is now pretty 444 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,519 much on the good side. Like it's tough because also 445 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,000 he was like working with Vault for a long time 446 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:42,680 and doing shady stuff, but I always felt like he tried. 447 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:44,279 He wasn't trying to good stuff, but I felt like 448 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:46,960 he was going toe tote with Homeland or other characters. 449 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:49,200 But right now, it seems like because even that case 450 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,599 where Marie's like, hey, if you don't if it's either 451 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,279 me and my friends or nothing, He's like, all right, fine, 452 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:55,200 and of course that's what he wants. But he didn't 453 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,759 seem like super sinister. I was like, fuck Like, it 454 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:00,480 seemed like he was somewhat understanding, not in the way 455 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,039 that he was thrilled about. Don't get me wrong, I'm 456 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,279 not saying he's gonna be fucking skipping in a good 457 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:06,240 guy like I still could do questionable stuff, but it's 458 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:08,720 the same way as like Butcher and even Tho. All 459 00:20:08,759 --> 00:20:10,880 boys characters do questionable things, but they're still trying to 460 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,039 fight for i'd say, the good side, right or the 461 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,119 anti evil suit side. So I'm hoping that's the case. 462 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,160 But at the same point, my instincts tell him that 463 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:21,559 he's gonna betray us at some point and do something 464 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,359 or for his greater good. But he is pat around 465 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,200 with us here, and I wonder if he and the 466 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,400 daughter if they know that Billie Butcher's one that killed 467 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,640 his mom, because that's the other thing where I don't 468 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,000 think they do not yet though, right, I feel like 469 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,720 they'll know at some point. And that's where it's like 470 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:38,359 the same thing where he could be on our side, 471 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,079 but he's gonna learn that information that he's. 472 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,839 Speaker 2: The daughter was there, wasn't wasn't that right? And she 473 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,079 was there she I thought she did, because she got 474 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:48,079 like knocked out to the side. 475 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,039 Speaker 1: I thought, like that's why maybe she knocked out unconsciously she. 476 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: Was there with the mom. And then there was the 477 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:55,480 bodyguard there with the mom, and then Butcher is like 478 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:59,119 technacal thing it's tumor, came out like knocked like grabbed 479 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,920 the mom. And then I thought that daughter like charged 480 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,759 at or had him to like attack, and then she 481 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:05,039 got knocked off and then knows that the mom dies. 482 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,680 I mean, you'd have to assume it was Butcher. 483 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: I would think, yeah, so then they might know, and 484 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,880 that's what might put them across for uh, like are 485 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,839 the bad guys? Right? So yeah, yeah, uh yeah, anything. 486 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,000 So I didn't throw you anything to say on the 487 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,359 daughter being in there and Esposo, she made the says, 488 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,000 obviously the heroes were under some trouble, and then she 489 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,119 made this say with her really weird fucking power. 490 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: I I again, he's just every time I see him, 491 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,359 I feel like he's always just the same cold, calculated 492 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,839 character and the way he talks and presents himself. But man, 493 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,720 I would eat a fucking ftata that he were to 494 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,160 make any day. He was just cooking in that kitchen. 495 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:45,240 I was like, I just want to join him for 496 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,559 a good meal. And I love how he's talking like 497 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,519 he paid all this money so that he could learn 498 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:51,559 how to cook, and rarely he gets to demonstrate that 499 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,839 when he with people, which is really really funny. But yeah, no, 500 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,359 I dig it. I dig that a lot. And I'm 501 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,319 happy that he's here because he definitely adds a whole 502 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,440 aesthetic and a whole vibe to it. But I mean, 503 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,279 we had him in the one episode. Is it gonna 504 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:07,160 come back next week? I probably not, probably the one after, 505 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,680 so yeah. 506 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,839 Speaker 1: I think so yeah, Well, I guess it depends though, 507 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:12,759 because we don't know, like they could have some flashes 508 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,759 to the characters, because obviously just Maria and Kate left right, 509 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,160 so yes, they could, Uh you know, am I saying 510 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,359 Maria or it's just Marie actually great? Yeah, just Maria. 511 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,960 I saying it wrong full time. Sorry, but yeah, no, 512 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,680 I think there's a chance he could be in both. 513 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:27,920 Episode's definitely finale, but he could be in both. So 514 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,720 we'll see what happens there and then in that segment. Yeah, 515 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,440 And that's the only thing other than what we talk 516 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,799 about with some mistakes. I get what they're doing, but 517 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,200 the whole marine or sister not getting along on fighting 518 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:42,640 and stuff, I get. It's just kind of trophy where 519 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,720 I just I know where we're gonna go with this, 520 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,559 where eventually she's gonna understand her and then they're gonna 521 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,640 be friends and they're gonna try to get a relationship 522 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,079 going at the I just wish to me it's such 523 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,240 the easiest thing of Hey, I have these powers because 524 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:59,640 our parents get like sign off to do experiments on me. 525 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,000 That's one and then two of my powers popped up 526 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,279 because she said she got a period and she didn't 527 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:05,640 know what was going on. That's not her fault. It's 528 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,119 like anytime you like, obviously it's tragic and sad, but 529 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:11,200 to me, that's just like in this world now with 530 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:12,680 all these things going on, it would have been just 531 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,920 like last couple of weeks ago, if oh god, what's 532 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,920 the I always forget them, the they them, what's their 533 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,079 Jordan name? Jordan, Like, if he killed Marie, that would 534 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:24,200 have been the same thing, right that they didn't kill 535 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:27,039 Marie they were possessed and not saying she was possessed, 536 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:28,599 but kind of the same way where her powers just 537 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:31,240 popped off and she had no idea, Her parents didn't 538 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,839 prepp he didn't tail or anything. So I just I 539 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,079 know that conversation's coming or some other characters canna be like, 540 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:38,079 you know what really happened? 541 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: Right? 542 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:40,799 Speaker 1: So I kind of wish there was like a senior 543 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,519 two of some tension and then in this episode it 544 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,359 would have been, Hey, I'm gonna tell you what happened 545 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,640 and then let's get that. I'm not saying the need 546 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,599 to be buddy buddy right away, but just like you 547 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,680 ruin my life and everything bad that happens is because 548 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,839 of you, It's like, no, it's because of augh, and 549 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:54,519 it's because of all this stuff, like I just it's 550 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,839 a storyline that I really hope doesn't going for too 551 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,319 long because I just I have no interests like unless 552 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,519 they do unless they do something where for some reason, 553 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,279 which you feel like they kind of blew their little 554 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,599 last year if the sister was a joined vault right 555 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,440 and go against her. But it's like they kind of 556 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,839 did that with Sam and Kate last season, and they're 557 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,079 kind of already walking that back. So it's like, Okay, 558 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960 we've seen that storyline of friends we know joined the 559 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,559 bad guys and then redeem themselves. So I don't know, 560 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,880 it's not that they're bad acting or anything like that. 561 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,599 It's still ritten enough. Fine, it's just a trope that 562 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:26,000 I just like, we see so much and we know 563 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:27,799 where it's going, So I don't really have much interest 564 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,720 in the storyline of I never want to see you again, 565 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:31,519 you know, that type of stuff. But how you feeling 566 00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,279 the other thing too. They reveal that the soup or 567 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:35,240 she's a soup and she's a pre cog so she 568 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,319 can sum Also, your powers are very light right now, 569 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,279 but she can sometimes see into the future. Seems like 570 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:44,839 only like a few seconds, you know, obviously, maybe that 571 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:46,640 could change in the future make you see more. Right now, 572 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,640 it feels like it's like a five to ten second 573 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,960 delay where she'll see something coming and it happens. But yeah, 574 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,599 what do you think about the sister character, the sister woes, 575 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,759 the trouble, her being a soup now, all that stuff. 576 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,279 Speaker 2: I mean, it totally makes sense with her having powers, 577 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,079 I mean imagining she probably kept it very secret from 578 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,319 her parents too. While her parents were alive at the time, 579 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,119 they wanted no one to know about it, So very 580 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,640 different power from Marie. But I'm yeah, I I like it. 581 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,279 I like that she is a soup. I like that 582 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,920 that's going to be kind of the dynamic here moving 583 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,559 forward with her and Marie and just. 584 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,759 Speaker 1: Kind of which though even though because she's a soup, 585 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:23,720 she almost be more understanding of marine situation. You know. 586 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,240 That's the other thing too, where I feel like. 587 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: She's well, yes, yes, but it's a very different power 588 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,480 right where she's just it's something she's suppressed too as 589 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,359 best as she could. And she doesn't have that sympathy 590 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,519 relation because her power didn't kill, you know, her parents. 591 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:46,480 So maybe she just resents Marie that much more because 592 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,799 maybe at the time she had a precognitive moment where 593 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,000 she saw Marie kill her parents and then she had 594 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:55,279 to actually see it happen next like in real time. 595 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,480 So I don't know, just you kill the parents, that's 596 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:01,799 that's it's a big one. But I liked I like 597 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,079 that and Beetha's powis. I think it's gonna be very interesting. 598 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,640 I like when Viking Man was attacking and her and 599 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:13,200 Emma and Kate were all in the back room of 600 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,440 the library and Anabeth is like. 601 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,279 Speaker 1: Aren't you guys soup, It's like, what are you doing. 602 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 2: It's like, well, we can't really do anything here. 603 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:25,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think, uh yeah, I guess there's 604 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:26,880 anything time with Ema. So we had Sam, which I 605 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,640 was happy because last week I said, oh, I thought 606 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,680 they're sent up for Sam to make the save, and 607 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:32,319 he did. He just did it this week where he 608 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,559 drove the wall van got them out of here. He 609 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,400 seems like, we'll see what happens with it. But when 610 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,839 he's talking to them, he's like, yeah, I'm on new 611 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,359 medication now I'm doing better. It's just like, well, that 612 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,400 was sure easy. You know. We went from Kate suppressing 613 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,759 the path like his like bad visions to not knowing 614 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,680 what he's gonna do next. And he hit his dad 615 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,359 last week too. I got some new drugs. I'm all good. 616 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,720 It's like, oh that easy, Hey, we like I just 617 00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,440 like you didn't try anything else. So I kind of 618 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,079 hope it's something that maybe this is like a short 619 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,599 term thing where it's working and then it decides like 620 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,720 it only nullifies it for a bit and then it 621 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,640 doesn't work and he has his episodes because if he 622 00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:10,640 if this is going forward, Sam just like, oh, I 623 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,119 got a tone for the bad stuff. I didn't. He's 624 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,599 just kind of good unless he doesn't have drugs. Again, 625 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,359 very easy fixed for the show when they were especially 626 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,119 last season. I'm kind of making to be a basket 627 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,640 case right of like you can never really trust what 628 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:22,880 he was gonna do. And he did the same thing 629 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,319 as a butcher thing or the whole thing we talk 630 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,160 about where he would do attacks and wake up and 631 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,519 everyone be dead and he'd have no idea. So felt 632 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,319 that was kind of easy. But I do like the 633 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,480 route they're taking with Emma, where who knows who Emma's 634 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,119 gonna date for a little bit. But I feel like 635 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,359 these characters at some point are gonna end up back 636 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,319 together when everything's right. They even talked about that because 637 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:41,680 it seemed like he was wanting up. But I kind 638 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,079 of said, like, oh, when the time's right. 639 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 2: Or he dies, I could see him. Yeah, it doesn't 640 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,680 get that satisfaction of reconnecting with him or being with him. 641 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be him, because it can't be her. 642 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,000 I feel like, if you kill her, you hurt the 643 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,200 show a lot where Sam I like the character, but 644 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,759 I don't know that that is a good suggestion because 645 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:01,359 I don't don't know what because he needed to do 646 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,000 a sacrifice. Play don't know what the story is for 647 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,559 him going forward now, right because obviously it was to 648 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,960 find you know, also for his brother last season to 649 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,279 get out take a de vaut. Then he turned bad 650 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:14,359 with Kate's help a little bit. But then after he 651 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,000 broke away from that, he had the you know, made 652 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,640 his parents. Yeah, yeah, he had the full circle go home, 653 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,680 see everything talk with them. He's made go with Emma. 654 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:24,559 Even though he said, oh yeah, Kate's a bad person, 655 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,759 he's still going help to save her. And now that's 656 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,960 what I mean. That's where I thought, Okay, he's a 657 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,519 fun guy to have on the team because Yeah, he's 658 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:31,920 there to save you, but you don't know what He 659 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,559 could snap at any time. But now if he's like, oh, 660 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:36,400 I'm all good now I'm working through, it's like, well, 661 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:40,119 that kind of takes the loose cannon hulk explosive element away. 662 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,720 So that's where it's like, Yeah, what else can you 663 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:45,000 have this character do right other than maybe just try 664 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,160 and get him back. I'm not sure. So I still 665 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,000 don't know if they would kill him off yet because 666 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,799 I still think because they lost that character already this season, 667 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,319 I don't know if they want to lose another character 668 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,559 right now but maybe in the future. And I did 669 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,799 kind of like his jokes going on with a bugging 670 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,799 em about the guy, so and again that's where that's 671 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,880 what I liked in the obviously much different situation of 672 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,720 just a love interest. But that wasn't a thing I'm like, 673 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,839 who's this guy? Oh, I guess you're talking about It 674 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:09,799 was almost like a joke, right, Like he has no 675 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,880 right to really be mean jealous about it. He's kinda 676 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,680 like you can tell he's jealous, but he's kinda like, oh, 677 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:16,519 we should mess like he's messing with her a bit. 678 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,880 So that's what I like that, clearly there's a connection, 679 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,559 but we don't have a whole twenty minute plot line 680 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,440 of like I thought, you know, we were something special. 681 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,160 It's like they clearly are you know, moved on a 682 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,119 little bit, even though there's still some feelings there. But 683 00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,319 so do you think, uh, do you think Sam would 684 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:31,599 die this season or you think you'll make it up 685 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:31,880 this tear? 686 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: I think he would die this season. 687 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:36,039 Speaker 1: I really they do two characters. 688 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,759 Speaker 2: I think, so I think at the end, Wow, they're 689 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:40,640 gonna they're gonna have to make a sacrifice play or 690 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,880 something like that. It's just it's gonna further Emma's development 691 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,519 along much much more in the narrative. So it just 692 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,440 I think it fits. 693 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: Hmm. Okay, let's see. We talked about those guys here, 694 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,240 we talked about Scipher. We didn't see Sister stage again, 695 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:55,599 so I'm wondering if we're gonna see her at all 696 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,039 again in the season. I kind of hoping at least 697 00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:02,519 for the finale maybe, but we'll see there. What is 698 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:07,400 there anything else? Some polarity is still just Yeah, that's 699 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,119 another story that I wanted a little bit more fleshed 700 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,720 out where because remember we talked about Hey, or at 701 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,960 least I had the issue of his son dies and 702 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,319 he comes back to school. Seems like there's not much 703 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,599 hubbable others like yeah, welcome back, right. But then they 704 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,920 did have given that scene with Cipher and he was 705 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,480 acting very suspicious and Cipher called him out, but it 706 00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,440 didn't seem like a full like Cipher knew he was 707 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,160 trying to get some information, but it didn't seem like 708 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,960 a full like you're a bad guy now where now 709 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,599 he just knows like, oh, you're working with those people 710 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,559 and I can't trust you and nada da. So I 711 00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:38,000 don't know. That to me is more a character. If 712 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,599 I had to pick a character that sacrificed himself, I 713 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,240 feel like Polarity would be that because they like they 714 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,759 they already have like a condition, right, They're already are 715 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:48,680 on the way. And once you do season two of 716 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,839 him kind of maybe giving his son vengeance, I don't 717 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,599 know what more you could do. And I guess I 718 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,920 would say too befret to about that where the idea 719 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,440 between Kate or Marie healing or sister to bring her 720 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,960 back to life. The idea is that Cipher said this 721 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,400 to Polarity that they could use her powers to heal him. 722 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,720 He doesn't really believe it, doesn't really trust it. But 723 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:09,960 then Kate also went to that conclusion at this end 724 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,880 of the episode, saying, Hey, you could heal my powers 725 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,680 and then we could take down Cipher together. Do you 726 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,599 think that's something now because Marie walks away. I guess 727 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,000 there's two things to ask you. One of the things, 728 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,359 we have a polarity now that you know Cipher just 729 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,880 knows he's fully on the good team or the opposing team. 730 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,039 And then with at the end, when Marie decides to 731 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:28,599 leave everybody and Kate follows, do you take that as 732 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,960 they're gonna go somewhere else on the next episode Marie 733 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,119 is going to give her her powers back and fix it. 734 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,880 Or you think Marie is not giving her powers back 735 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,039 because she doesn't trust Kate with her full. 736 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,599 Speaker 2: Power, so she's going to give her powers back. I 737 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:46,920 think Kate made a full uh realistic logical point. God 738 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,119 think Kate is like a counter to Cipher's powers. You know, 739 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,559 they both share similar you know, superabilities right like? And 740 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,880 I think there's there's a whole it's interesting to see 741 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,519 in this show compared to the Boys, the relations between 742 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:05,440 these characters whether it's Victoria Newman and Marie or now 743 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,079 it's Cipher and Kate. But these characters, they are like 744 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,960 the younger versions that have the same powers, right or 745 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,960 at least similar ones. 746 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and then what about Polarity, what's his 747 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:16,720 fate this season? Right now? 748 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:18,759 Speaker 2: And two episodes like I don't know because like he's 749 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,359 just having seizures and he's not doing so well, but 750 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,599 then it's like he dishes out some new power and 751 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,920 it's I think that's another interesting thing is because you 752 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,759 have Cipher trying to control him and like do like 753 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,519 his hand thing, but it's like his connection to using 754 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,160 Cipher as a vessel was like disrupted. And again, Polarities, 755 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,240 he was out sourcing like his energy or whatever, and 756 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,599 I think he disrupted the signal. So Cipher, like Godalkin 757 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,160 was able to kind of tune in and control Cipher's 758 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,759 hand to make him smack himself or whatever. 759 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, terrible. Yeah, is there anything else? We haven't touched 760 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:04,799 upon any characters in lines A. Jordan's kind of scared 761 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,680 of Marie a little bit, just not scared of her, 762 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,680 but just scared of now knowing what the power set 763 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,039 of is. Just kind of you know, Marie says nothing's 764 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,319 gonna change, but Jordan's completely right where this power, like, 765 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,799 I feel like people want her, whether it's Cipher anybody, 766 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,559 even the boys, like you'd want her on our team. 767 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,119 So I think that. And again it wasn't like a fight, 768 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,519 it was her being worried, but it was just that 769 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:29,440 to me felt genuine of oh yeah, this is like 770 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,880 this does change everything. And you having a power where 771 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,720 you could literally potentially resurrect someone. I'm sure it's supposed 772 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,519 to be like right close when they die, but still 773 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,920 the fact you could do that at all, that does, 774 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:42,640 you know, could pose a bad fate for everyone, including Jordan. 775 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,839 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I agree. I can't think of anything 776 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,319 else though. 777 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,599 Speaker 1: Okay, well there we go. So that is it. We'll 778 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,119 be back next week for the penultimate episode. I think, 779 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,599 just that, right, So yeah, just that and then yeah, 780 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,079 because we've got some other stuff going on next week 781 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,559 with as an interview at this So yeah, we'll be 782 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:01,920 back next week talking about the penultimate episode, episode seven, 783 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,759 and I promise you it'll not be boring. 784 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:04,759 Speaker 2: Bye,