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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to welcome Turdia Simmonson. He is a Norwegian

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<v Speaker 1>historian of ideas and a nonfiction author specializing in the

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<v Speaker 1>esoteric and occult. He has educated at the University of Oslo,

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<v Speaker 1>where he has also taught introductory courses on philosophical and

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<v Speaker 1>literary works in the prestigious series The Cultural Library in

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<v Speaker 1>the World's Holy Scriptures. He has published essays on I

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<v Speaker 1>and Now and the first book of Enoch and Esoteric

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<v Speaker 1>Texts from Antiquity. He is a full member of ESSWE,

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<v Speaker 1>the European Society for the Study of Western Esotericism. Turtia, welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot for having me. Well, I'm fine, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>he said in the middle of the night here. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as a writer about esoteric and occult subjects,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be up at night time, so it

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<v Speaker 2>works quite well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh very good. Now, I've been looking forward to tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been a great contributor to the understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>our hidden reality through your research and work, and looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward talking tonight, we're going to discuss some of that

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<v Speaker 1>research and your philosophy on the paranormal as well as

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<v Speaker 1>look into you know, what really is parapsychology and occultism

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<v Speaker 1>and the differences and just take a look at our

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<v Speaker 1>hidden nature of reality in general and what's behind the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 1>because that covers a wide range of phenomenon really, and first,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd really love to hear more about your background and

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<v Speaker 1>what led you to be interested in these subjects and

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<v Speaker 1>down your path.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm born in Christiansand, which is a southern town

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<v Speaker 2>in the Norway, close to the coast, and I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up very close to that tone and even smaller tone

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<v Speaker 2>called Mandal. They have a history with sea voyage and

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<v Speaker 2>fishing and that kind of maritime activities. So I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up here, a small town ten thousand inhabitants about so

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<v Speaker 2>and well, I became member of my Christian youth club

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<v Speaker 2>when I became in my teens, and some of those

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<v Speaker 2>people told me about strange stories. And because I somehow

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<v Speaker 2>trusted these people, I had no reason to believe that

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<v Speaker 2>they were lying to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, there were.

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<v Speaker 2>Episodes of telepathy, episodes of healing, episodes of knowing the

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<v Speaker 2>future through dreams and that kind of stuff. Not any

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<v Speaker 2>sensational things that well, you know, something makes you wonder

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<v Speaker 2>a bit, and hmm, that's funny, and so and later

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<v Speaker 2>also my family trusted the aunt and uncle told me things,

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<v Speaker 2>and even my very rational grandfather, he was an engineer,

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<v Speaker 2>machine engineer, and very extremely down to earth person, but

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<v Speaker 2>he told me that he was able to hear my

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother before she came home about half an hour. He

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<v Speaker 2>would got to get the sounds for her approaching, and

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<v Speaker 2>it became kind of routine for him. And it would

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<v Speaker 2>not be at the same time of day, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>because then it would just be kind of psychological normal

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<v Speaker 2>expectation perhaps, But if she was late that evening or

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<v Speaker 2>have met some friends and went to a cafe or something,

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<v Speaker 2>also these sounds of her approaching would come later. So

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<v Speaker 2>it became as a matter of routine for him. So

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<v Speaker 2>when he started hearing the sounds of her opening the

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<v Speaker 2>door and coming up the stairs, he just went to

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<v Speaker 2>the stove and put on the dinner and the potatoes

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<v Speaker 2>and that things, because then he knew from many many

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<v Speaker 2>say the times of experien that she would appear about

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<v Speaker 2>half an hour later. In Norwegian that phenomenon is called

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<v Speaker 2>varderger and it seems to statistics shows that this phenomenon

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<v Speaker 2>it's known from different cultures also, but it's more common

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<v Speaker 2>in Norway for some reason that I do not know,

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<v Speaker 2>than in other PSI countries. So it's called the Norwegian

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<v Speaker 2>National paranormal phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>So of Ardaga.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I said, my grandfather told me this, My

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<v Speaker 2>uncle and aunt told me say dream telepathy stories, and

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<v Speaker 2>these guys in the Christian youth club told me about

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<v Speaker 2>telepathy and healing and such things. So I always had

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<v Speaker 2>a feeling that there had to be something more, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I went to a normal study and get a

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend when I was about twenty one years old, and

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<v Speaker 2>she had extremely good intuition and was able to say

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<v Speaker 2>things that I wondered a bit how would that possibly

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<v Speaker 2>be possible to know?

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<v Speaker 3>And also.

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<v Speaker 2>She went to a kind of therapist, physiotherapist who was

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<v Speaker 2>extremely sensitive and also say dim demonstrated some abilities in teleprity.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I started my academic career, I by chance

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<v Speaker 2>or by synchronicity, or by higher guidance or whatever I

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<v Speaker 2>got as mentor and always foremost expert on occult phenomena.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Professor John Eric Sister Abster Hunsen, and

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<v Speaker 2>his publication list is quite long, more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>publication academic articles, books, chapters and all that kind of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So and he told me that there was a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of task waiting for the right person writing about anthroposophy

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<v Speaker 2>in Norway. And as you probably know, anthroposophy is the

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<v Speaker 2>version of theosophy that was launched by Rudolf Steiner, Austrian

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<v Speaker 2>esoteric teacher about the turn of the century, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>late to the beginning of the twentieth century. So I

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<v Speaker 2>went into that tradition and studied also And as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a great expert on European esoteric and occult traditions,

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<v Speaker 2>so he also had courses in Renaissance hermetism, and from

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<v Speaker 2>my own interest that I also studied the more modern

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<v Speaker 2>hermitism and hermetic order of the Golden Dawn and Okayan

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<v Speaker 2>traditions and all that kind of things. So and I

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<v Speaker 2>made my dissertation on this anthroposophical thing, and well after

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<v Speaker 2>that I went into parap psychology also because I read

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<v Speaker 2>some article about Norwegian psychics and one of them we

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<v Speaker 2>can get back to that. It gave me quite convincing

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<v Speaker 2>demonstration of being able to tell the future, and also

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<v Speaker 2>to read minds really not being present and reading the

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<v Speaker 2>subtled science or anything like that. But through the telephone

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<v Speaker 2>he gave very say, a couple of stunning examples. I

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<v Speaker 2>can come back to you later. So I felt I

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<v Speaker 2>have to go into not just a history of these

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<v Speaker 2>things or family anecdotes and that can, but also into

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<v Speaker 2>the science, the natural science about these things, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is parap psychology where you have laboratory tests and you

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a bodily scanning you you use brain

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<v Speaker 2>scans fm R I and like kind of modern brain

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<v Speaker 2>scanning equipment and combined that with say and philosophy of mind,

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<v Speaker 2>that is much more inclusive to all this phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>So, after studying psychology and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, somehow wanting to collect all these things in

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger hole, I had an idea for a book.

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<v Speaker 2>And also a friend of mine, he is an experience psychotherapist.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me, yes, you must make a book about

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<v Speaker 2>this because it will be very helpful. And in fact

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<v Speaker 2>he bought three copies of my book and placed it

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<v Speaker 2>on his ward so the young psychologists could read. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>because so many patients tell about this phenomena and the

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<v Speaker 2>normal say psychologists will say just oh, that was strange,

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<v Speaker 2>or his silent mind will think, oh, my patient is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit psychotic today, or this is trauma, or this

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, just fanciful thinking and figments and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>But my friend, who is in a very experienced psychotherapist,

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<v Speaker 2>from his own experience, have had being convinced that these

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<v Speaker 2>phenomena are real. So he felt it was a need

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<v Speaker 2>in the public sphere for such a book. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you have all these psychological and psychological articles, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>lots of graphs and statistics and complicated material, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have the you age material, but that can be

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<v Speaker 2>a bit naive and a bit too eager to believe

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<v Speaker 2>everything that people tell sometimes. So a balanced presentation of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole field was what my friends suggested, and that

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<v Speaker 2>what I hope my book has become very good.

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<v Speaker 1>You wrote, you know, your book was a short story

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<v Speaker 1>of nearly everything paranormal.

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<v Speaker 3>Now got it here? Yes? Perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is such a like I said, such a

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<v Speaker 1>wide broad range of phenomenon. Where do you start with this?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, how do you how do you work

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<v Speaker 1>from there? With such a wide range of phenomenon?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, very good question, indeed, it's big.

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<v Speaker 2>I start with some kind of a history about psychology.

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<v Speaker 2>When they first started to do science about.

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<v Speaker 3>This, say.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be late seventeen hundred, perhaps in France.

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<v Speaker 3>But later with in the eighteen eighties, especially.

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<v Speaker 2>With the Society for Psychic Research in London. That so

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<v Speaker 2>I start with a bit of definitions coming from them

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<v Speaker 2>about say PSI, which is the name, say, the scholarly

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<v Speaker 2>name of these phenomena PSI that is telepathy, clairvoyance, recognition,

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<v Speaker 2>and healing, and teleconists. Teleconess is, you know, moving objects

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<v Speaker 2>with the power of mind.

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<v Speaker 3>So I start a bit with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also what is say, common for all this phenomena

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be the need to reformulation of our understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of what is consciousness, because by by habit, we tend

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<v Speaker 2>to think the consciousness is something I have inside my head,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have inside you had, and our viewers have

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<v Speaker 2>inside their heads.

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<v Speaker 3>But my idea of consciousness, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a new idea in some way in psychology, but

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<v Speaker 2>also a very very old idea in philosophy, is that

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness is a collective phenomenon. It is a shared feel

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<v Speaker 2>of information in which we all participate. And I use

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<v Speaker 2>to make it say, available easily to modern folks. I

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<v Speaker 2>use the concept the mental Internet because we all have

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<v Speaker 2>experienced that information can be transmitted in the split second

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia from Norway, and we all have the experience

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<v Speaker 2>that we can download vast information from the web, and

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<v Speaker 2>metaphorically speaking, I think it's just the same with our consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>We can transmit via teleprity messages like split second, and

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<v Speaker 2>we can also download via clairvoyance information about such extremely

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<v Speaker 2>diverse matters from all over the world. So I felt

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet was a very useful metaphor to somehow relate

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<v Speaker 2>to our everyday life. How these apparently strange phenomena seem

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<v Speaker 2>to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very good. Now, you mentioned earlier that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a strange kind of prevalence of this precognition in Norway

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<v Speaker 1>that people have. Could you talk a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about this phenomenon, maybe give some examples.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mentioned there was the special kind of recognition

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<v Speaker 2>which is called vardergar. That is an auditive phenomenon, and

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<v Speaker 2>that will say that you hear the sounds of an event,

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<v Speaker 2>but quite a bit of time before that event actually happens.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, my grandfather half an hour before my

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother would come home. He would hear the sounds of

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<v Speaker 2>her coming and do you know the stairway opening the door,

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<v Speaker 2>getting up the stairs to the second floor. But then

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<v Speaker 2>she was not there. But half an hour later she

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<v Speaker 2>would come in exactly that manner that he had heard.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is an as a auditive recognition. By the

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<v Speaker 2>auditive sounds, you get say, clear record of what is

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<v Speaker 2>about to happen at some later time. Usually it will

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<v Speaker 2>be from about twenty minutes to one hour or there around.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be far much more far ahead also, bet

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<v Speaker 2>that will be the typical. And as I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>know sociologists of religion and that kind of folks, they

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<v Speaker 2>have studied statistics and found that this seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>reported quite more frequent in Norway than other countries. And

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<v Speaker 2>why that is I I wondered quite a lot about,

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<v Speaker 2>but not found out yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very interesting. And you you're also talking about

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness earlier, and I really believe that that is central

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of this phenomenon. That our consciousness, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's collective and it's connected to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And the more that I learn about, you know, paranormal phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things in New Apology. It all seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be connected in some strange way to consciousness. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you could talk a little bit more about the

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<v Speaker 1>mental Internet that you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, as we said, I use.

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<v Speaker 2>I used the description that I launched some models for

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<v Speaker 2>chiropractic reasons. You know, when you go to a chiropractor

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<v Speaker 2>five different models as an alternative to this say conventional

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<v Speaker 2>model that consciousness is something you have inside your head.

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<v Speaker 2>We have just inside our own heads. So the mental internet,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, as a metaphor for that consciousness, is

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness that way, telepaty is no wonder at all, because

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<v Speaker 2>it is already in this field. When I make a thought,

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<v Speaker 2>it is already uploaded and available to you. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, memories from earlier generations, they are uploaded

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<v Speaker 2>on the mental web, and the sensitive people we call

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<v Speaker 2>them psychics, are able to some at least sometimes download

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<v Speaker 2>this information. I can give you a very specific example.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll try to.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, I my English is not my first language,

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<v Speaker 2>But as a a friend of mine, he is from

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<v Speaker 3>Runs a cafe.

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<v Speaker 2>And right before I went to his cafe one day,

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<v Speaker 2>I had been to another cafe that I do not

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<v Speaker 2>went to his, the Philippines cafe, And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>know he's quite psychic, so I tried to test him.

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<v Speaker 2>So I used a little tricky question about something that

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<v Speaker 3>And he just.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked a bit on me and said, no, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot do that. And then he went over to

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<v Speaker 2>make some coffee to me. And then he came back

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<v Speaker 2>and then he stared to me with a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>had been to earlier. You know, I had not told

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<v Speaker 2>been able to see it from his windows because it's

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<v Speaker 3>So he said, he asked me, who was.

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<v Speaker 2>Say on God taking in the money, doing the waiting

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, how could you know that I have

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<v Speaker 2>And he just loved and said, I get it in

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<v Speaker 2>in my consciousness as a memory. And so it was

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<v Speaker 2>my memory of having been there was shared with him,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was able to download my memory. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>a very simple, say example of this. But you see,

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<v Speaker 2>when I have been there, I have a story, I

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<v Speaker 2>have feelings, I have thoughts, I have in a pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>They are all immediately uploaded on the mental internet, and he,

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<v Speaker 2>being extremely sensitive, is able to download them immediately also. So,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, the Internet is a metaphor because no

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<v Speaker 2>wires and kind of that. But consciousness have that collective

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<v Speaker 2>shared nature as also the internet have. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>just a very simple example. I can give you lots

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<v Speaker 2>and lots of examples.

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<v Speaker 1>And you think that everyone has this ability to transmit

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<v Speaker 1>and download this information. It's just a matter of learning

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, in principle everybody. But as I used the

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<v Speaker 2>example with music, everybody has some sense of music. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if there is an orchestra marching on the National Day,

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<v Speaker 2>most people will be able to keep pace with the

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<v Speaker 2>orchestra and.

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<v Speaker 1>Just have a natural talent. That's a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But the Bethoven.

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<v Speaker 2>Even how much I will train music or you will

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<v Speaker 2>train music, we will never become Bethoven.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. So yes, So there's two factors. In principle.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody is telepathic, everybody is cleveroin because it's not it's

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<v Speaker 2>not connected to the ego. It's connected to the basic

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<v Speaker 2>level of consciousness that transcends the ego, which we all share,

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<v Speaker 2>probably also animals and perhaps even plants. So it's much

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<v Speaker 2>more fundamental than the ego. And because we all are connected,

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<v Speaker 2>we all have telepathic abilities and we all have clevoyinant abilities.

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<v Speaker 2>But from there that it's talent and it's training, and

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<v Speaker 2>talent is given. That might be genetics. Very often you

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<v Speaker 2>see these things running families, and then it's training. How

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<v Speaker 2>much do you develop This guy I consulted sometimes he

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<v Speaker 2>is very sensitive and very impressive. But he said he

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<v Speaker 2>knew he could do these things when he was seven

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<v Speaker 2>years old, but it was very impractical because he when

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<v Speaker 2>he was in a q with five people that would

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<v Speaker 2>start easily coming information from these other people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their life stories and so so it would be confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's somehow learned to shut out all this information.

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<v Speaker 2>But for some reason he got midlife crisis after a divorce,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he decided somehow to look closer and for

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<v Speaker 2>the last forty years or so, he's been living as

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<v Speaker 2>a professional clairvoyant, so talent and training and also will

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<v Speaker 2>to this. And some people, perhaps for religious reason. I

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<v Speaker 2>come from Christian background, and some Christian people are very

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<v Speaker 2>skeptical about They think this is the work of the

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<v Speaker 2>devil and something like that. And other people are just

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<v Speaker 2>scared about. Oh I knew that I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a visit from that guy, and there he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no, I cannot have anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with that, you know. So fear is also part of

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<v Speaker 2>why people shut down these things. But in a harmonious way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's very beneficial to start to develop a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what say, a kind of sense and taste

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<v Speaker 2>for these things. The Buddhists have, for instance, a very

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<v Speaker 2>long tradition and not denying this phenomena, but say making

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<v Speaker 2>them part of a harmonious growth as a whole person.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned, you know how some people think this

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<v Speaker 1>is the devil and it's evil. Well, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about you know, occultism and magic

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<v Speaker 1>and basically the the ability for some to manipulate the

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<v Speaker 1>reality and in certain ways and energy. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that is what you would you would call man And

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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, we have ritual magic, and there's certain

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of manifestation and sigil magic and all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>different things that we can look at, all these different

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<v Speaker 1>practices that are taking I guess this paranormal side phenomenon

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<v Speaker 1>a step further than just you know, psychic connections. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually learning how to you know, manipulate some of these

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<v Speaker 1>things at will. So what do you think is I

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<v Speaker 1>guess going on when people are using magic and connecting

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<v Speaker 1>to these energies and be able to kind of manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>reality and achieve manifestation things of this nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in principle, I think it's nothing wrong with it,

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<v Speaker 2>because say, if you want to build a chair, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>you go down and you take the hamm, and you

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<v Speaker 2>take the wood, and you take the nailsen, you do

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<v Speaker 2>the work. Really and also if there's something you want

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<v Speaker 2>to achieve to use the mental tools available to achieve

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair and square and I know, not problematic. The problem is,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, if you use these things to gain power

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<v Speaker 2>and to exploit other people financially actually or psychologically and

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of power games, that's very dubious. And

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, the Buddhist tradition have a very discerning

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<v Speaker 2>way of dealing with this phenomenon, because you can get

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of inflated ego and oh, I'm a great profit,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a great magician, and all that kind. So one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite esoteric or occult organization is called Servants

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<v Speaker 2>of the Light, and that's a modern offspring of this

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<v Speaker 2>hometic Order of the Golden Dawn. And when you are

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<v Speaker 2>initiated in that order, they will ask you the question

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<v Speaker 2>why do you want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Join this order?

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<v Speaker 2>And then the correct answer you should supposed to give

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<v Speaker 2>is I want to know in order to serve. So

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<v Speaker 2>if your goal is to serve humanity, to serve the

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<v Speaker 2>human race, and to serve life on this planet, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's wonderful to use these things. But if it's

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<v Speaker 2>just for ego gratification, you should rather do something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when it comes to these especially I guess ritual

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<v Speaker 1>magic and where you actually have to get in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with I guess the only way to put it would

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<v Speaker 1>be entities that are unseen or beyond the spectrum of

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<v Speaker 1>our vision. Would you think that would be dangerous in

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<v Speaker 1>any way? I mean, I imagine it would depend on

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<v Speaker 1>what entities you're trying to contact. But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>even you know, if you're not well versed in this,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could make a mistake and you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>the some of these entities may deceive you if you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to, you know, contact them. I don't know. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the foremost U let's start with the most

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<v Speaker 2>important that's intention. What are your intentions? And as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>if your intention is to serve your fellow man and

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<v Speaker 2>a woman, and to serve the planet and serve life,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, then you are my say perception of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you are protected by that intention. But these entities,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, if you're hanging out with neo Nazis or

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<v Speaker 2>if you're hanging out with is armists, of course that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a good company to keep because that will influence

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<v Speaker 2>you and they could even lure you into actions otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>not in your reptoire. Just the same, if you contact

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<v Speaker 2>some kin what they call the left hand part, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the dark part, you know, and contact entities that historically

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<v Speaker 2>have been used for say, bad purposes, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>could hurt your psyche because somehow the intention is the

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<v Speaker 2>crook's here, because that gives you the company and the direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you so, as long as you're intention is good,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a talisman for you, that will protect you. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you as attention is ego and power and that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of things, you could easily I think, connect with

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<v Speaker 2>destructive entities. Basically, if we go philosophically into this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from the Indian tradition of advita, you know non duality,

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<v Speaker 2>non dividedness. Basically it's just one being. The totality of

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<v Speaker 2>being is one at the bottom, all entities we the dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit, the spirits, the ascended masters, whatever is basically

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<v Speaker 2>part of say the unity deep down. That's avita. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no non duality. So when you contact one aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>that say basic reality, that be a spirit or that

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<v Speaker 2>be a person, or that be an animal or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>somehow it's no different than to do your daily work.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>People I think tend to What's just to say, people

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<v Speaker 2>place too much weight on the entities themselves. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you should say, go for your own cultivated, your own

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<v Speaker 2>good intentions, and then you will see which entities are

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<v Speaker 2>drawn to you as just as say, if you participating

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<v Speaker 2>in neo Nazia meetings or Islamist radicalization groups. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>look what kind of people you're connecting with. It's the same.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, go for the intention and the entities will

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<v Speaker 2>be no problem as long as your entities are good.

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<v Speaker 2>If you your intentions are bad, you the entities you

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<v Speaker 2>connect with will also be tend to be bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, how do you think modern day academia and

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<v Speaker 1>science feels about, say, parapsychology. Do you think that they

429
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<v Speaker 1>are becoming more open to these fields?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course it's a mixed bag, and many things

431
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<v Speaker 2>are not being discussed in.

432
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<v Speaker 3>An open minded manner.

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<v Speaker 2>But the basic phenomena we are talking about teleprity, clairvoyance, recognition, healing,

434
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<v Speaker 2>and telekinesis psychokinesis, they are in fact discussed seriously. The

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<v Speaker 2>most prestigious magazine journal of psychology in the world is

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<v Speaker 2>called American Psychologists, and it's released by the American Psychological Association.

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<v Speaker 3>APA.

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<v Speaker 2>And in two thoy and eighteen in the May issue,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an article it's called pera psychological phenomenon phenomena

440
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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, the Experimental Evidence for Psychological Feminine Phenomena Review,

441
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<v Speaker 2>and that's written by Professor sel Cardena, who has published

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<v Speaker 2>about three hundred scientific articles. And when the most prestigious

443
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<v Speaker 2>magazine for psychology in the world take in, say, an

444
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<v Speaker 2>article in defense of these phenomena, of course it's taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say, of course conventional psychologists are still

446
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<v Speaker 2>much in the form of paradigm, but there is what

447
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 2>the kind of avant garde psychology are taking these phenomena

448
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>starting to take them quite seriously. And also because a

449
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<v Speaker 2>study of the philosophy of mind and say, the theories

450
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 2>of consciousness have evolved. For instance, quite a number of

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<v Speaker 2>quantum physicists are interested in the implications of consciousness for physics.

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<v Speaker 2>We can discuss some experiments that will illustrate that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But in one physics though, quite a number of people

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<v Speaker 2>interested in consciousness. So as I said, basically, this phenomena

455
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<v Speaker 2>all the paranormal phenomena are derivatives of an expanded vision

456
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<v Speaker 2>for what is consciousness. So when the quantum physicists and also,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, this very well renowned, prestigious psychological journal

458
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<v Speaker 2>print articles in defense of this expanded consciousness, I think

459
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<v Speaker 2>it fair to say at least they are starting to

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<v Speaker 2>take it seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned some quantum physics experiments that we could cite.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that there are some exciting developments when it

463
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<v Speaker 1>comes to quantum physics and looking into paranormal phenomenon and

464
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<v Speaker 1>the connections there. So what are some of these experiments

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<v Speaker 1>that we can look at.

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<v Speaker 2>I will start with an early experiment is very simple,

467
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<v Speaker 2>but very say basic, if you say, just make it simple.

468
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<v Speaker 2>If you collide to electrons. From that collision, it will

469
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<v Speaker 2>it will produce two photons, which particles, which is particles

470
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<v Speaker 2>of light, and that they are called twin photons because

471
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>they were born at the same moment. And those twin

472
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>photons from this collision, they will hurtle off in a

473
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<v Speaker 2>directly opposite direction. And the strange thing is if you

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<v Speaker 2>measure them, say ten kilometers apart, and one of them

475
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<v Speaker 2>is then going up, the other one will go down

476
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>and if one of going to the right, the other

477
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 2>one will go left, and the first one go down,

478
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.359
<v Speaker 2>the second one will go up, So they mirror each

479
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>other even if they are basically totally split apart, and

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, many many kilometers and even at the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite sides of the universe, they will still behave in

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<v Speaker 2>this connected way. That is what they call non locality.

483
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<v Speaker 2>And that is not a theory that is demonstrated in

484
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 2>at least three laboratories. So we know this to be true.

485
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>And if we can see that photos are connected in

486
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<v Speaker 2>this way, and they are and as a unity, even

487
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:30.519
<v Speaker 2>if for all common sense purposes are totally divided, that

488
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<v Speaker 2>might perhaps also say something about the nature of consciousness,

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<v Speaker 2>because if they are connected or big distances, why not

490
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<v Speaker 2>consciousness is connected over big distances as well. I will

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<v Speaker 2>not say this experiment proofs that consciousness is but connected

492
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<v Speaker 2>in that same way, but at least it opens up

493
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<v Speaker 2>because it says that our normal idea about space is

494
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 2>totally say, beyond the pale. Really, it's demonstrably, demonstrably wrong

495
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>to to view space the common sense way. So and

496
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<v Speaker 2>that that is a very important experiment that was made

497
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<v Speaker 2>first by a guy Johann Klauser Johann Claouser in he

498
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 2>was at Berkeley, and ten years later done in a

499
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>more famous and more say splendid way by a French

500
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:35.000
<v Speaker 2>French physicist called Alan what is called aspect aspect. He

501
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>became quite famous for this experiment. So it's sometimes just

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<v Speaker 2>referred to as the aspect experiment, and so that this

503
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<v Speaker 2>is a basic quantum physic experiment showing that our normal

504
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<v Speaker 2>idea about space is totally wrong really and might have

505
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>a big implication for consciousness. Also, there has been done

506
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 2>experiments with what they called double split experiment, and if

507
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>you fire electric it's done in a different version, but

508
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you fire electrons to a wall and you have to

509
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>say slots or splits in that wall. It seems to

510
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>be able to somehow, by intentions steering how many or

511
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 2>at least to direct the stream of electrons if they

512
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<v Speaker 2>should go more to the right split or to the

513
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>left split. As I said, there are many experiments here,

514
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 2>but that is one of them that your intention somehow

515
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>seem to be statistically significantly influencing the stream of electrons.

516
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<v Speaker 2>And that would be of course a kind of telekinesis

517
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 2>or psychokinesis and mind over matter in a way. And

518
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<v Speaker 2>the in Raidan is quite famous us for having doing

519
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and presented some of these experiments.

520
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.079
<v Speaker 1>And when you're looking at consciousness, when I when I

521
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.039
<v Speaker 1>look at it, and I'm looking at things like telekinesis,

522
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I can go back to that everything, even you know,

523
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>inanimate objects may have some kind of consciousness. If we

524
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<v Speaker 1>look at telekinesis in the way the ability to connect

525
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.519
<v Speaker 1>with these objects and even move them, it has to be,

526
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, I believe maybe connected to some kind of

527
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 1>consciousness frequency. I don't know. What do you think about that?

528
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<v Speaker 1>What do you think is happening with this telekinesis.

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<v Speaker 3>Very interesting phenomenon it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me say that many para psychologists say that they

531
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<v Speaker 2>do not have yet theory that fully.

532
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<v Speaker 3>Account for these phenomena.

533
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<v Speaker 2>So many para psychologists will confess that some think they

534
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>have a good explanation. For instance, there's a German psychologist.

535
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<v Speaker 2>He's doctor in psychology and his daughter doctor in physics, Waltavon. Look,

536
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I do he thinks of this is as a kind

537
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 2>of what systems theory, that everybody is connecting connected to

538
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<v Speaker 2>everything else.

539
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.199
<v Speaker 3>And if you say, do.

540
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Some action in one part of the system, it will

541
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:20.599
<v Speaker 2>via quite say complex change of causality influence everything else

542
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 2>in the system. Really, so that is his take on it.

543
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>And he is a doctor in physics and doctor in

544
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>psychology and quite famous. It's not famous in the anglosphere,

545
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the English speaking world, but in Germany he has been

546
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.159
<v Speaker 2>too many television programs. And he also had an office

547
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>at the university or connected with the university at Freiburg,

548
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>where you could come to him if you had problems.

549
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Feel poltoguist. You know, you're coming home and your furniture

550
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.599
<v Speaker 2>is turned upside down and the wild chaos, and you

551
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 2>go to the insurance company and say, please.

552
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 3>Give me some.

553
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Compensation here because pologists have turned my flat upside down,

554
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 2>and they will not believe you. But in general they

555
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>might have believed you because what from look At was

556
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>contacted in many such cases and gave say, convincing evidence

557
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>to the authorities that these phenomena are really happening. And

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, he explains this out his version of

559
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 2>systems theory. It's quite complex, but people can check. He

560
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 2>has some lectures on on on YouTube and also possible

561
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.280
<v Speaker 2>to find his website and all the things. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you go back to what I said earlier, adwaita, perhaps

563
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>there is a unity behind all this, and perhaps therefore

564
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<v Speaker 2>our say division, we say mind and matter, but perhaps

565
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>that's just our limited perspective, because behind mind, behind matter,

566
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<v Speaker 2>there is this unity that was a calgust Young called

567
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Unus mundus from alchemical concepts, One World and Calgusta. Jung

568
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book together with famous physicist Wolfcom Pauley. It's

569
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 2>called Synchronicity. And then Jung wrote an essay about psychological aspect,

570
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<v Speaker 2>and Pauley wrote about the physical aspect. He won the

571
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<v Speaker 2>Nobel Prize in physics in nineteen forty five, and he

572
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<v Speaker 2>himself being great physicists, he himself had experienced lots of

573
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.880
<v Speaker 2>telekinetic phenomena, and so he knew from his own experience

574
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.519
<v Speaker 2>and written about this, that these phenomena are real. And

575
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 2>he is very cautious. He was called the Consciousness of

576
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>science because he was always very cautious and very critical

577
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>of jumping to conclusions. But he said it would be

578
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>very comforting if it behind the matter and mind was

579
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<v Speaker 2>in fact this unity.

580
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 3>So I feel somehow the.

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<v Speaker 2>Best say suggested explanation, that there is a unity behind

582
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<v Speaker 2>the mind and matter, and if you do activities, then

583
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 2>in your mind you are really all so working deep

584
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>downside on what lies behind the matter, and that might

585
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>on occasions give strange phenomenon as a result.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I don't know if this is along the same lines,

587
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 1>but I've seen videos of g masters generating so much

588
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.280
<v Speaker 1>heat with their hands that they can actually set paper

589
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and stuff on fire. It's very, very fascinating. Now do

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00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 1>you think this is kind of along the same lines

591
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<v Speaker 1>as this SiGe phenomenon.

592
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I will not subscribe to everyone of course

593
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<v Speaker 2>claiming they can do this, that they really can do.

594
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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

595
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<v Speaker 2>But to get back to this Vaultavon look at the

596
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 2>German perp psachologists. He uses an example in fact, where

597
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 2>a woman experiences small flames, you know, suddenly starting to

598
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>show in her flat and that was a spontaneous, as

599
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of Poltugeist phenomenon. But Walter, look at you, do

600
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.960
<v Speaker 2>not think the spirits guys behind this. He felt it

601
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:11.559
<v Speaker 2>was because he's talked to this woman and he found

602
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<v Speaker 2>that she was suffering from a pathological jealousy really, so

603
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<v Speaker 2>he felt it was kind of external manifestation of her

604
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 2>internal burning jealousy because very often this is phenomena as

605
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.159
<v Speaker 2>he was smiling, because they have very often symbolic representative function.

606
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<v Speaker 2>So she was literally burning from jealousy, which manifested in

607
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>small flames in her flat. Of course, theoretically speaking, you

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<v Speaker 2>could imagine that Taichi master, having cultivated his say or

609
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<v Speaker 2>her focus through many years of intense practice, would be

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<v Speaker 2>able at will to produce some of these effects. I

611
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<v Speaker 2>know it's claimed. I've seen some gi demonstrations that have

612
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<v Speaker 2>been quite We have a guy in Denmark and I've

613
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<v Speaker 2>seen in my hometown he demonstrated some scales really not

614
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:08.079
<v Speaker 2>the flame thing, but other things. But I don't know,

615
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 2>because of course via film tricks and everything, you know,

616
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 2>and people want to become famous and all that. So

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<v Speaker 2>in principle it's possible, whether or not those claim to

618
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<v Speaker 2>do it, it can and actually do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I will not say now while we're talking about people

620
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 1>who you know are a little fraudulent and want to

621
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.559
<v Speaker 1>be just become famous, there are Unfortunately, this kind of

622
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>field is prevalent with those kind of people, especially when

623
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 1>it comes to psychic phenomenon. Alkanesis all this this stuff

624
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 1>because it is easy to fake these days especially with videos.

625
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.320
<v Speaker 1>But even if you have, you know, just a little

626
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.119
<v Speaker 1>bit of intuition, it's easy to kind of pull one

627
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:53.239
<v Speaker 1>over on people and you know, do jill in activity.

628
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<v Speaker 1>So what's the best way that people can kind of

629
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<v Speaker 1>discern what they're looking at here?

630
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<v Speaker 2>That's of course very difficult because if the professional magicians,

631
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<v Speaker 2>they are so clever.

632
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 3>So but I would.

633
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<v Speaker 2>I have always enjoyed magicians, you know, with stage magic.

634
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<v Speaker 2>So I've been to lots and lots of performances with

635
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>stage magician. I also read some theory. I'm not clever,

636
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.119
<v Speaker 2>of course, I'm not professional, far from it. But I

637
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 2>also watched quite a lot of videos with magicians. There's

638
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 2>an English guy he made quite furiory also in the US,

639
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Darren Brown. Lots of videos with him on YouTube, so

640
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 2>people can check and you can somehow get a feel

641
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>of and he's very impressive and convincing. So if the

642
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 2>psychic does just the same tricks that you saw Darren

643
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Brown doing last night, of course you should be a

644
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 2>bit cautious. But I would imagine people should also. You know,

645
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the most famous he's not really famous as

646
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>a para psychologist, but he's a professor at Cornell University

647
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>in psychology Darryl bem And he was convinced by statistics

648
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>going to the statistics. You know, most people are not

649
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 2>into statistics in the way he is. But after reading

650
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the through experiment experiment, he found that the statistics were

651
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>so convincing that he somehow he was a skeptic. And

652
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>he is also a magician state magician. So you can

653
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 2>find some tricks with him on YouTube. So he knew

654
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 2>all the tricks in the book really, but statistics from

655
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 2>psychological sound experiments and those strict conditions, you know, controlled

656
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 2>conditions in laborators convinced him, and he had went on

657
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>to make his own experience and he published also a

658
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>very famous article about these experiments is called Feeling the Future.

659
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:03.119
<v Speaker 2>And to make the short here just the nine experiments,

660
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>with the most famous with fifty of his students demonstrating

661
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 2>they were able to see on a screen which they

662
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 2>were YouTube pictures, and there were were erotic pictures, and

663
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the student with a strong margin were able to say

664
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 2>when there will appear an erotic picture on the screen.

665
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Of course, then you take the students to young people,

666
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>you know and probably hopefully interested in erotics, you know,

667
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:37.079
<v Speaker 2>would have the antennas out for this kind of information,

668
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 2>and them made a very good case for they were

669
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 2>in fact able to to to detect the upcoming eroticism

670
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>eroticism excuse my English.

671
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>No, it's fine, okay, yeah, really interesting it is.

672
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 2>And also obviously if you go back to this phenomena,

673
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:02.000
<v Speaker 2>if you think of them as you know, in primordal times,

674
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 2>it would be very nice to know when the partner,

675
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a possible partner was around the corner, and also to

676
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 2>detect danger. You know, so if you think these are

677
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 2>part of our basic survival kit, it would be excellent

678
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>way of using them to avoid danger to the people

679
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 2>or lions or whatever, or find a suitable partner for you.

680
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 2>So I think they will somehow. I write quite a

681
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 2>lot about crisis teleprity in my book, and then you

682
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 2>see that very often this phenomena kick they will kick

683
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.159
<v Speaker 2>in when there is danger around, and I think that's

684
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:47.199
<v Speaker 2>a kind of say alarm system from primordial times. Of course,

685
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 2>there is a spiritual aspect of this as well. But

686
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 2>as I said, if they have not, say, helped us,

687
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>we would probably not be having them. So I feel

688
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 2>also that this to realistic way of looking at these phenomena.

689
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 2>It can be very helpful. As I said, there's a

690
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 2>spiritual aspect connecting us to the bigger picture also, but

691
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>we also are physical beings, you know, living in a

692
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 2>world that can be dangerous sometimes and we need those

693
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 2>little extra antennas and the information that can help us.

694
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>It seems like our ancients probably had a much better

695
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:33.079
<v Speaker 1>understanding and maybe even better abilities when it came to this.

696
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a lot of researchers pointing at evidence

697
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 1>that you know, our ancient ancestors did have these abilities

698
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.559
<v Speaker 1>and it was more prevalent and we kind of lost

699
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.639
<v Speaker 1>that over the ages. Is that something that you think

700
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:48.119
<v Speaker 1>is probably the case.

701
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think that's probably the case. And you see

702
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that with the indigenous people, for instance, Tsami people North

703
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and Norway. They have a strong culture for these phenomena,

704
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that might be a genetics to some part,

705
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 2>but also culture and lifestyle. You know, if you have

706
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.039
<v Speaker 2>a quiet lifestyle, then it's much more easy. If you's

707
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 2>lots of TVs all around and cars honking, you know,

708
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and all that loud noise from the metropolis, then it

709
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.559
<v Speaker 2>will be difficult to to to to perceive those subtle

710
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.800
<v Speaker 2>sims from the SI field. And and also if you

711
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:24.679
<v Speaker 2>have a strong culture, the SAMI culture, you know, you

712
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>then of course many of them are quite modern people also,

713
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, computer engineers and all that. But the traditional

714
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>armi uh lifestyle, they would learn you to have regard

715
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 2>and respect and to heed this phenomena, you know, and

716
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 2>take it seriously, and they would not just dismiss this coincidence.

717
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 3>And like that.

718
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 2>And of course, as we said earlier in the program,

719
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>talent and training, and if you are trained from your

720
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 2>child to to to really listened into these frequencies here,

721
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:01.519
<v Speaker 2>it's much more say likely that you will developed competence

722
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 2>in this field. So and if I could give you

723
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>some perspective on this, because some people said it's just

724
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:15.000
<v Speaker 2>bad that we lost this that our answers had. But

725
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 2>roder Steiner, this guy Austrian Esotery, he said, it's not bad.

726
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:26.159
<v Speaker 2>It's a part of our say, complete development as a species.

727
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Because if we are just connected with spiritual we will

728
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 2>not take the material world seriously on its own premises.

729
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 2>But we need as a species to learn mathematics, to

730
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.559
<v Speaker 2>learn the engineering arts and all these kind of things

731
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 2>to master the physical on the physical premises, so Steiner

732
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 2>felt it was. It was in fact useful and necessary

733
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 2>even for a period of say, a couple of perhaps

734
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>three or four or five thousand years, that we dive

735
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.480
<v Speaker 2>into the material world and learn how to master that world,

736
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>and then we can from a kind of new perspective

737
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>open up again to the more spiritual perspective.

738
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Y do you see that kind of happening now and

739
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of integrating both the scientific world and the world

740
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>of occultism.

741
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I like to see that, I think yes. As I

742
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>said that those quantum physics being in the most famous

743
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>was this book The Tao of Physics by fret of Copra.

744
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.639
<v Speaker 2>He wrote it early in the seventies. But as I said,

745
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 2>in this journal most presidious in the world on psychology,

746
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 2>that they will print as an article defending the existence

747
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:45.480
<v Speaker 2>of these phenomena, it's quite yeah something really it speaks volumes.

748
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:46.320
<v Speaker 3>So I think so.

749
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 2>And also these more green movements the in the different countries,

750
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, you you think more holistic about our place

751
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 2>on Earth and even the Earth's place also in the

752
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 2>cosmos astrophysics, and yeah, so so so I'm quite optimistic

753
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.199
<v Speaker 2>about this, but it's not a not a fast process.

754
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:11.360
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah.

755
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.320
<v Speaker 1>It's very interesting. We live in fascinating times. I want

756
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit about Nochian magic because it's

757
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 1>it's very interesting to me. It's supposed to be I

758
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>guess basically community communication with angels, right right, yes, could

759
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 1>you tell us a little bit about, you know, the

760
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.840
<v Speaker 1>basics of the Nochian magic, I guess as much as

761
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 1>you could break it down for us.

762
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it's a long were to start done.

763
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.480
<v Speaker 3>If we started in antiquy, you have you know, of course, in.

764
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:50.159
<v Speaker 2>The Jewish tradition you have a Moses here is the

765
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:55.400
<v Speaker 2>supreme revelator, you know, and and of course in Christianity

766
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 2>you have Christ as the supreme revelator of God's will

767
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and so. But that was a tradition in Judaism where

768
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 2>not Moses was the central figure, but rather Enoch, the

769
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 2>patriarch from Old Testament. And it's written about Enoch that

770
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 2>in the Old Testament that God took him and what

771
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:21.840
<v Speaker 2>does that mean? And the Jewish tradition, esoteric tradition, the Kabbalah,

772
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.840
<v Speaker 2>they will often see read it in the same way

773
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 2>about as the tradition about the prophet Elijah, because it's

774
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 2>written in the Old Testament that Elijah was taken up

775
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:37.119
<v Speaker 2>to having directly in a wagon with the fiery wheels,

776
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the like a storm of fire, taking

777
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 2>him to heaven. That also Enoch was was.

778
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Was taken directly to heaven.

779
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but if Moses have to die on earth and

780
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:55.039
<v Speaker 2>be the dug buried like a normal man, and Enoch

781
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 2>goes straight to heaven, probably Enoch has more you know,

782
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.000
<v Speaker 2>knowledge about having limitsed is then most of them.

783
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.280
<v Speaker 3>That was the thinking.

784
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.679
<v Speaker 2>So they became a tradition around the eno can also

785
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 2>be became a tradition in antiquary how you could somehow

786
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 2>journey to heaven't in there was some breeding exercises and

787
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>also the recitation of angelic names. You found these traditions

788
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.679
<v Speaker 2>in Cumran, the kind of what you can say, kind

789
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 2>of monastery where the Dead Sea scrolls are found. There

790
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you have riches. You know, you are citing the angels'

791
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.079
<v Speaker 2>names for a long time, and you have reading. You

792
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 2>sit in a special what they called Elijah's position, you

793
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 2>closed tone, like you're having your head between your legs,

794
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and of course if you sit like

795
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:48.159
<v Speaker 2>that and doing breeding exercises, and reciting these angelic mantras

796
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 2>for hours and hours, something will happen to your consciousness,

797
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>you know.

798
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.280
<v Speaker 3>So there are lots of these.

799
00:52:56.199 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Visions from antiquary. It's it's called it's also part of

800
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.639
<v Speaker 2>the Christian tradition. Via Revelation of John, the last book

801
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of the New Testament, you can see John having these

802
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 2>havingly visions also, so in not in tradition as a

803
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.440
<v Speaker 2>vision or tradition from antiquity.

804
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 3>The more modern uh not. In magic.

805
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:27.360
<v Speaker 2>It goes back to to Elizabeth in England, where there

806
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>was a famous mathematician and magician called John D. And

807
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.079
<v Speaker 2>John D is an extremely interesting figure. He is as

808
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I said that he was. He helped the British ship

809
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:45.119
<v Speaker 2>navigate on the Seven Seas, he made you know, stellar charts,

810
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 2>and he well, he at least gave him the day

811
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 2>for the coronation of a queen, Elizabeth the first, you know.

812
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's a t to make. And his seems to

813
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 2>ask succeeded quite well because her reign was long and strong.

814
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:10.199
<v Speaker 2>But he had an assistant, and his name was Edward Kelly.

815
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 2>And they say the spiritual communication between John D, the

816
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 2>famous mathematician and magician, and the more say, not simple man,

817
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.400
<v Speaker 2>but you know he was not educated like John D.

818
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 2>But he was very gifted. He could also have some

819
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:32.199
<v Speaker 2>prominent decides. But you know he is somehow transmitted messages

820
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 2>from these angels. Uh and and de wrote and down

821
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 2>and system made system out of them. And they received

822
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 2>some tablets with names and figures and the numbers and so.

823
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:51.039
<v Speaker 2>So is supposedly coming directly from from from heaven. So

824
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>there also is a long esoteric tradition forbidden knowledge with

825
00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:00.719
<v Speaker 2>heavenly tablets that go back to to to to Babylon.

826
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Really so, but the modern version of Enochian magic is

827
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.039
<v Speaker 2>these tablets received by by Adver Kelly.

828
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:08.280
<v Speaker 3>And John D.

829
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>And it has played a part in the occulture revival

830
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>in modern times. For instance, Alexander Alistair Crowdy, he performed

831
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Inochian magic and you can even go to YouTube and

832
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:31.880
<v Speaker 2>they have recorded some of his Enochian chants and masses

833
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.480
<v Speaker 2>for the first ether, you know, and all these kind

834
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of things. I would say the tendency because basically it's

835
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 2>a good tradition. You know, it's about knowing God and

836
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and and uh yeah, expanding your horizon to to to

837
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 2>include the angels in your worldview, but regrettably it has

838
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 2>become part of I would not say black tradition, but

839
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 2>more great tradition. And even Crowley said you should be

840
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 2>a bit careful about it. He mentioned an episode with

841
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.440
<v Speaker 2>things coming out of control. So it's become becoming a

842
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, the magician's apprentice. Here you could

843
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:16.400
<v Speaker 2>perhaps connect to traditions. So I would not recommend starting

844
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<v Speaker 2>with in magic unless you are very well versed in

845
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.519
<v Speaker 2>occult arts from other traditions, have a solid training from

846
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:26.360
<v Speaker 2>a sound lunch, you know, just doubling into it. I

847
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 2>would not recommend it, but it's a powerful and interesting tradition.

848
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<v Speaker 1>Now, as far as angels go, what is I guess

849
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:40.079
<v Speaker 1>your idea of what an angel is is. Do you

850
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<v Speaker 1>think it is actually this celestial entity that exists beyond

851
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the spectrum of our vision, or more of just this

852
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.679
<v Speaker 1>conscious energy that kind of exists, or something else? What

853
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 1>is your idea with an age?

854
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.400
<v Speaker 3>It's very difficult some people.

855
00:56:56.440 --> 00:57:01.679
<v Speaker 2>As I said, my book is about teleparty clairvoyance and

856
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 2>recognition and healing and psychogenesis telekinesis. That is the main thing.

857
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I talk a bit about spirits and angels in my book,

858
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:12.960
<v Speaker 2>but basically I will say, I do not know. So

859
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if my next book should be about angels.

860
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I've discussed this with a very famous magician really, you

861
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:27.480
<v Speaker 2>probably know him, Herbie Brannan. Yes, yes, he is also

862
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<v Speaker 2>a novelist, fantasy novelist, being on the New York Times

863
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:34.679
<v Speaker 2>bestseller list, and so he is training and he'll be

864
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:38.519
<v Speaker 2>quite you know, high up in the order of this

865
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 2>servants of the Light really, and he's written about these

866
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 2>things and discussed it, and he was he was reluctant

867
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:50.519
<v Speaker 2>to give a kind of to commit himself to a

868
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.000
<v Speaker 2>perspective here. So I will not say that he said

869
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 2>what he just said. The tradition holds that it is

870
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and a jelly, you know, heavenly beings and all that

871
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of things. But if again for the third time,

872
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:11.119
<v Speaker 2>go back to Advita, if the world basically is a unity,

873
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:15.599
<v Speaker 2>then also these angels will be part of that unity

874
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and would be a frequency in that unity, as I

875
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:19.519
<v Speaker 2>am a frequency.

876
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:20.280
<v Speaker 3>You have frequency.

877
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Dinosaur were frequencies, the Fisher frequencies, you know, the moon,

878
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 2>the sun of frequencies in this big, big, big see

879
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.559
<v Speaker 2>cosmic concert. Really, perhaps that's the best approach to it.

880
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 2>And if you approach them as a person, you will

881
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:39.760
<v Speaker 2>get personally answered, but from that frequency. But if it is,

882
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.920
<v Speaker 2>say an entity that can act on its own, I

883
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know that. It seems on some occasions that this

884
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:54.440
<v Speaker 2>will take action on their own, but perhaps it's more

885
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:57.480
<v Speaker 2>our own, you know, if it kind of echo if

886
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:03.920
<v Speaker 2>you relate to you say, people in the earlier the

887
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Viking tradition, they would say when they heard the thunder

888
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 2>and the sort of lightning, it was thaw in a way.

889
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Of course the phenomenomena are real, but was it thaw

890
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:18.039
<v Speaker 2>behind this? Or of course it's energy, it's frequencies, but

891
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:24.639
<v Speaker 2>the personalization of it as thaw is that justified? Probably

892
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>not what we meet as angels in the this same

893
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.679
<v Speaker 2>peronormal world. When you see a ghost going through or

894
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, some lights manifesting.

895
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Will that be a see a person? I do not know.

896
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<v Speaker 2>It would be very interesting to find more about, and

897
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:47.199
<v Speaker 2>as I said, my next book might be about these things.

898
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<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting.

899
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<v Speaker 2>But just as I said, again, this non dualistic perspective

900
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.039
<v Speaker 2>I think can be very helpful because we tend to

901
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:05.159
<v Speaker 2>somehow absoluteize one level or one frequency or one plane

902
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.119
<v Speaker 2>of reality. Basically, I think it is a unity down there,

903
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:14.159
<v Speaker 2>so I'm more For instance, I am read the interview

904
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:18.159
<v Speaker 2>with Mahaeshi Maha Yogi, you know, the guy who brought

905
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.480
<v Speaker 2>transcendental meditation to the West, and he was asked about

906
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.079
<v Speaker 2>some of this and he said, of course, from his

907
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Indian tradition, you could say context some of these entities,

908
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 2>you could freight to them.

909
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.199
<v Speaker 3>But why would you do that? Why wouldn't you.

910
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Go to the source of being true meditation? You know,

911
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 2>that's the unity behind it. You know these entities could

912
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 2>also have the whims you know, so why would you

913
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.719
<v Speaker 2>somehow give you itself in the hands to those entities?

914
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you go to the unlimited source behind all manifestation,

915
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 2>true meditation. I think I kind of like that perspective.

916
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree, and I've actually spoken to a few

917
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:03.400
<v Speaker 1>guests about that very thing, reaching source, uh through meditation

918
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and things of that nature. Now, to close out earlier,

919
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you we were talking about how you were hopeful that

920
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 1>mainstream science in academia is kind of catching up to

921
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.679
<v Speaker 1>these things and it's going to become more of a

922
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:19.039
<v Speaker 1>mainstream thing and not so woo woo of a topic.

923
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm hopeful for that too. And I do see a

924
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of that happening, you know, I see a lot

925
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 1>of you know, even government agencies kind of looking into

926
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.760
<v Speaker 1>normal hotspots and things of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, the release is sorry for interrupting you. With the

928
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:38.079
<v Speaker 2>release of the UFO your Dave as well, one hundred

929
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and forty four cases and it's was just one of

930
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:46.159
<v Speaker 2>them that could be accounted for in normal ways, conventional ways.

931
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.440
<v Speaker 2>So that leaves us to one hundred and forty three,

932
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:54.039
<v Speaker 2>uh a, un accounted for cases, and that came from

933
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:55.159
<v Speaker 2>the Pentagon.

934
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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, So it makes me, it makes me

935
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:03.199
<v Speaker 1>hopeful that you know, mainstream macademian science will possibly come

936
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:05.880
<v Speaker 1>around in one day all of this is just going

937
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to be you know, looked into as a normal part

938
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.360
<v Speaker 1>of our existence and we can have a better understanding

939
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of it, and hopefully that'll that will occur soon. What

940
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.400
<v Speaker 1>do you think that? Do you think that within the

941
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:20.719
<v Speaker 1>next few years or even our lifetime we may see

942
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:22.039
<v Speaker 1>more of this occurring?

943
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think so.

944
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<v Speaker 2>And let's just start with common experience. Statistics show that

945
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.679
<v Speaker 2>more than half of a grown up people will have

946
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:35.199
<v Speaker 2>experiences of say, celebrity and clevev oyance and that kind

947
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:39.840
<v Speaker 2>of phenomena. So so many people have these experiences. My

948
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.239
<v Speaker 2>mentor at the university told me the only the reason

949
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:48.480
<v Speaker 2>why it's not somehow taken more seriously, that is that

950
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:51.639
<v Speaker 2>has been the lack of as a what you can say,

951
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:57.079
<v Speaker 2>comprehensive theory that can make sense of these things. So

952
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 2>as it's just verse one, Peter tells about one experience

953
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:06.079
<v Speaker 2>and Paul tells about another experience, so to get a

954
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:09.800
<v Speaker 2>unified understanding of the field. And therefore, in my very

955
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:12.480
<v Speaker 2>simple way, I launched the model of the mental internet.

956
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, oh yes, when I think in so, I

957
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>go to his Facebook page and then I can see

958
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.920
<v Speaker 2>what you've been doing lately, and so you know, so

959
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:23.559
<v Speaker 2>if you think of this like a mental internet. And

960
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:28.079
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this very important article in American Psychologists, there

961
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:32.719
<v Speaker 2>are also two other articles in mainstream psychological journals in

962
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:38.199
<v Speaker 2>more recent times that somehow supports the impression that is

963
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:41.159
<v Speaker 2>just not a fluke or just the kind of hapic

964
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:48.400
<v Speaker 2>coincidence that this article reached the pages. So and also

965
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:53.800
<v Speaker 2>quantum physics the redefining of understanding, And I will mention

966
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<v Speaker 2>also last yeah, the Nobel Price winner in physics, Roger Penrose.

967
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 3>He is of.

968
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Course a physicist, but he is also a philosopher of mind,

969
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's about thirty years ago he wrote

970
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:12.039
<v Speaker 2>a book called The Emperor's New Mind and how he

971
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:17.000
<v Speaker 2>did not feel that a conventional theories about mind did

972
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 2>account for how mind was created and working. And he

973
01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:26.559
<v Speaker 2>has an American co worker, Stuart Hamroth, who is a

974
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:32.360
<v Speaker 2>nessiologist at the University of Arizona, and hammer Off has

975
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.000
<v Speaker 2>said that you can find interviews with him on YouTube.

976
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 2>He feels that quantum physics will probably account for telepaty,

977
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:44.119
<v Speaker 2>and Sir Roger Panners, he said, has said in interview

978
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:49.519
<v Speaker 2>that he feels that see their model of consciousness allows

979
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:54.400
<v Speaker 2>for precognition. So when a Nobel Prize winner in physics

980
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:57.719
<v Speaker 2>can say such a thing, you know, then it's happened

981
01:04:57.800 --> 01:04:59.480
<v Speaker 2>quite a lot. And we have as I said, well

982
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:03.119
<v Speaker 2>also some of them earlier wolfcom Pauli and mentioned who

983
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:07.440
<v Speaker 2>had experienced so much telekinesis in his own life, but

984
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.679
<v Speaker 2>this was quite recently. He won the Nobel Prize last year.

985
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:17.159
<v Speaker 2>And and as I said, Stuart Hamrock defended telepathy, uh

986
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:22.280
<v Speaker 2>saying it's probably based on non locality. So yes, I'm

987
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:26.760
<v Speaker 2>quite hopeful about that. But I used to quote Max Plunk,

988
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.840
<v Speaker 2>who also was a pioneer in quantum theory. He said,

989
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:38.840
<v Speaker 2>funeral progresses, science progresses funeral by funeral. So yes, so

990
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.760
<v Speaker 2>it sounds a bit gruesome, But I think the old

991
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.599
<v Speaker 2>researcher have to more or less die out because people

992
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:49.519
<v Speaker 2>are identified with the paradigm.

993
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:49.920
<v Speaker 3>They have.

994
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Tenured yes, they have scholarships, they have brands, you know,

995
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:03.400
<v Speaker 2>they have a lots of books. They have identified say

996
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:07.360
<v Speaker 2>their lives work with this old paradigm. So I think

997
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:13.079
<v Speaker 2>when that is somehow just peacefully dying away because of time,

998
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.880
<v Speaker 2>then it will be much more easy to reformulate a

999
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:22.480
<v Speaker 2>new paradigm for consciousness what we see in quantum physics,

1000
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:28.280
<v Speaker 2>in philosophy of mind, and also in some mainstream psychological journals.

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01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're definitely living in exciting times. There is some

1002
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:38.480
<v Speaker 1>great things happening, some concerning things, but all very fascinating

1003
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.880
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. And ter thank you so much

1004
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.760
<v Speaker 1>for coming on tonight. Before you go, let everyone know

1005
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:48.400
<v Speaker 1>where they can find a short history of nearly everything paranormal.

1006
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Here it is.

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01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:53.320
<v Speaker 2>There is a beautiful povo. I think we worked several

1008
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:57.840
<v Speaker 2>months to get it right. They can come to Amazon.

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01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:02.599
<v Speaker 2>That's quite simple. My name Tay Simonson, and the book

1010
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 2>a short history on everything paranormal. And I will use

1011
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to say it has received two awards in

1012
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:14.159
<v Speaker 2>the US. It has received the Pair of Psychological Book

1013
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Award and also received a Silver Nautilus Award. So it

1014
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:22.079
<v Speaker 2>is an award winning book and also recommended by the

1015
01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:26.639
<v Speaker 2>greatest voice in psychology pair psychologists. Today, I think it

1016
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.960
<v Speaker 2>will be Dean Rayden and also Jeffrey Mislove, Stanley Cripnan

1017
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and other great guys.

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01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:33.559
<v Speaker 3>You know, I am.

1019
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:37.039
<v Speaker 2>A popularized they are the researchers. I am trying to

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<v Speaker 2>somehow connect those great guys with more, say common folks.

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01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:45.840
<v Speaker 2>So I hope I able to present things in a

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01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:50.039
<v Speaker 2>funny and what is called approachable manner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, very good, Terry, Thank you so much. Again. That

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01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.199
<v Speaker 1>was fantastic information and there's so much more we could

1025
01:07:57.239 --> 01:07:59.039
<v Speaker 1>talk about. So I'd love to have you back on

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01:07:59.119 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 1>in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I would love to come back later also,

1028
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:03.679
<v Speaker 3>so thanks for having me.

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01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:04.719
<v Speaker 4>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well until next time, everyone, have an excellent

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01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:14.840
<v Speaker 1>evening and we'll see you again tomorrow. Night Tonight. My

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<v Speaker 1>guest is JP hay He is a researcher and writer

1033
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:22.359
<v Speaker 1>with an interest in unidentified aerial phenomenon and the mysteries

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01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:25.840
<v Speaker 1>through a balanced approach and mindset. He is also the

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01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:32.239
<v Speaker 1>national director of MUFON and Mauritius. He considers esotericism, spirituality,

1036
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:36.479
<v Speaker 1>and science to be to all be right tools and

1037
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:40.520
<v Speaker 1>lenses for a better understanding of the layers of reality

1038
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that surround and interact with us.

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<v Speaker 3>JP.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.

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01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:46.079
<v Speaker 4>How you doing, hey, Chris.

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01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:48.720
<v Speaker 5>Thank you that was a nice introduction. Thank you very

1043
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.520
<v Speaker 5>much for that. It's good to be back with you.

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01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.359
<v Speaker 5>I think it's been about just over a year since

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01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:56.159
<v Speaker 5>we did a catch up on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been way too long. It's great to see

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01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you again. And I have to tell you, ever since

1048
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:05.840
<v Speaker 1>we met at the twenty twenty UFO Mega Con in Laughlin,

1049
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 1>which we were actually talking about a little bit, you've

1050
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:11.760
<v Speaker 1>become such an amazing friend and colleague, and you were

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01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:14.920
<v Speaker 1>actually one of the first people that I contacted when

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<v Speaker 1>I had my first contact experience, which we're also just

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01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:20.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about. So I want to thank you for being

1054
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:25.720
<v Speaker 1>there and helping me better understand my experiences as well

1055
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 1>as all the other extraordinary phenomenon that we've been discussing

1056
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know, attempting to understand together since since the

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01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:36.880
<v Speaker 1>last time we spoke, and I'd love to hear have

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01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you had any more profound, like unexplained experiences our sightings

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01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:43.720
<v Speaker 1>since the last time we talked.

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01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:47.239
<v Speaker 5>Chris, Well, just to respond to your thanks, no need

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01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:50.399
<v Speaker 5>to thank me. It's a pleasure and a duty. And

1062
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:54.840
<v Speaker 5>we're here to you know, support each other because there's

1063
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:58.439
<v Speaker 5>so few coordinates in the public sphere, which we're going

1064
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:02.319
<v Speaker 5>to address shortly in working this out, apart from the

1065
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.119
<v Speaker 5>kind of documentary trail and then the conference trail of

1066
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:09.319
<v Speaker 5>witnesses and experiences and such like. So you know, we're

1067
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Speaker 5>all here to kind of help each other and not

1068
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:17.039
<v Speaker 5>judge one another. And your experiences were incredible and absolutely

1069
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:20.119
<v Speaker 5>commensurate with a lot of the cases that have been

1070
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:25.600
<v Speaker 5>reported by you know, reliable witnesses. So you know, keep

1071
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:31.079
<v Speaker 5>keep keep vigilant and document everything, and you know, just

1072
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:35.760
<v Speaker 5>try to relax, don't don't get to overthink things because

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01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:38.119
<v Speaker 5>it's it's bigger than our minds. Let's let's be honest.

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01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 5>As for me, yes, I've had some extremely weird experiences,

1075
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.760
<v Speaker 5>maybe less than I have in recent years, but then

1076
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:51.239
<v Speaker 5>I've been less engaged with the subject because of the

1077
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:54.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, the lockdowns that have been happening over here

1078
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 5>in Mauritius in the Indian Ocean, because frankly, you know,

1079
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:01.520
<v Speaker 5>you're with a family to support and professional life to manage.

1080
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:05.680
<v Speaker 5>You're basically inside working and doing additional jobs that you

1081
01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:08.399
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't normally have to do. But that doesn't mean I

1082
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 5>haven't had, you know, some incredible experiences I have. I mean,

1083
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.399
<v Speaker 5>during the first lockdown in last year, I was on

1084
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:19.439
<v Speaker 5>the phone or doing a conference with Johnny Enoch and

1085
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:23.279
<v Speaker 5>Harry Challenger, the head of the Flying Saucer Review, and

1086
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:27.800
<v Speaker 5>we were talking about contact and contact protocols that will

1087
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:32.840
<v Speaker 5>need to probably be drafted and looked at. If you know,

1088
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:37.159
<v Speaker 5>if ever there is a more kind of grassroots open

1089
01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:40.159
<v Speaker 5>scenario that ever takes place. And it's how you know,

1090
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:43.159
<v Speaker 5>at one time that would have sounded ridiculous that, you know,

1091
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:46.039
<v Speaker 5>when we have the Office of the Director of National

1092
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 5>Intelligence that the Pentagon sending us a report on the

1093
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.479
<v Speaker 5>twenty fifth of June this year, we need to start

1094
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:55.359
<v Speaker 5>thinking about these things in a sort of mature and

1095
01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:59.439
<v Speaker 5>you know, organized way, a bit like a United Nations

1096
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:04.079
<v Speaker 5>outside of mechanics of government, because you know, nothing is

1097
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:08.079
<v Speaker 5>happening there. So anyway, we were having a discussion, and

1098
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:10.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, Harry's the head of the Flying Saucer Review.

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01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:13.000
<v Speaker 5>No sooner had I come off the phone. It was

1100
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.640
<v Speaker 5>late at night, because we're three to four hours ahead

1101
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.560
<v Speaker 5>here in Mauritius. I went upstairs to get ready for bed,

1102
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:21.960
<v Speaker 5>and I'm brushing my teeth in the bathroom and the

1103
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:24.920
<v Speaker 5>windows open because it's like the summertime here, it's very hot,

1104
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:30.840
<v Speaker 5>and an enormous I got to say, it was just

1105
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:34.359
<v Speaker 5>an enormous disc that looked a bit like the front

1106
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:38.560
<v Speaker 5>section of the starship Enterprise from Star Trek. It literally

1107
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:43.359
<v Speaker 5>just appeared, stayed in the sky for a few seconds,

1108
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:46.199
<v Speaker 5>and then disappeared. But it was like a transistor switch

1109
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:49.800
<v Speaker 5>that was kind of going up and down. It was

1110
01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:53.000
<v Speaker 5>like phasing in and out of reality. And it happened

1111
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.039
<v Speaker 5>about two or three times, and I just thought, is

1112
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:58.279
<v Speaker 5>this is this trickery on, you know, on the mine

1113
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:01.199
<v Speaker 5>because I'm talking to Johnny, talking to Harry, he's the

1114
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:03.640
<v Speaker 5>head of the Flying Saucer Review. Is this just something

1115
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:09.920
<v Speaker 5>operating in my subconscious like the kind of culium concept

1116
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.920
<v Speaker 5>of projecting consciousness into reality and getting a feedback. So anyway,

1117
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:18.039
<v Speaker 5>that was during the first lockdown, and that was pretty amazing. Otherwise,

1118
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:21.319
<v Speaker 5>I've seen, you know, quite a few objects just kind

1119
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:24.000
<v Speaker 5>of flying over me overhead where I live, just going

1120
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:29.119
<v Speaker 5>for walks in the evening. It seems to be very symbolic,

1121
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:33.039
<v Speaker 5>like you'll have several appear in a very short space

1122
01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:35.640
<v Speaker 5>of time, and they might intersect and cross each other

1123
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.680
<v Speaker 5>perfectly as you're walking overhead, as if they're talking about

1124
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:43.439
<v Speaker 5>cardinal points and north and south, and you know, these

1125
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:46.680
<v Speaker 5>have meanings in their own right in the esoteric sciences

1126
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:50.199
<v Speaker 5>and all the rest. So yeah, there's been a lot

1127
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:54.520
<v Speaker 5>going on, and I believe that it's better to have

1128
01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:00.319
<v Speaker 5>quality than quantity and try to actually see if they're

1129
01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:04.800
<v Speaker 5>a meaning behind it that you can actually connect to.

1130
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:09.760
<v Speaker 5>But often it boggles the mind. And that's okay too,

1131
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, we shouldn't try and over analyze things like

1132
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:14.520
<v Speaker 5>I was saying too earlier. So yeah, it's been quite

1133
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:19.119
<v Speaker 5>an interesting and challenging couple of years. And you know

1134
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:21.920
<v Speaker 5>what was strangers is that we met up in Laughlin

1135
01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:25.399
<v Speaker 5>at the twenty twenty UFO Mega Con and no sooner

1136
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:30.039
<v Speaker 5>did I get back to Mauritius. The lockdown started within

1137
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.720
<v Speaker 5>a couple of weeks, so it was quite lucky really

1138
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.640
<v Speaker 5>to get back and be with my family again.

1139
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:39.960
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, interesting couple of years.

1140
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it definitely has been. And tonight we're going to

1141
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.399
<v Speaker 1>be talking a little bit. You have a very interesting

1142
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:53.920
<v Speaker 1>report from the nineties from France, right, it's like a

1143
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:59.359
<v Speaker 1>UAP report from the nineties that they did long before

1144
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.399
<v Speaker 1>we even thought about doing any uapeer report. So that's

1145
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:04.560
<v Speaker 1>what we're going to be talking a little bit about tonight.

1146
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:08.239
<v Speaker 1>But you were just talking about, you know, how everything

1147
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:11.600
<v Speaker 1>has been, you know, a pretty profound few years, and

1148
01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:17.319
<v Speaker 1>with these experiences that we were discussing earlier, we're talking

1149
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.560
<v Speaker 1>about how it comes along with kind of like a

1150
01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:26.399
<v Speaker 1>new level of not only understanding, but intuition and even

1151
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:31.840
<v Speaker 1>sometimes new abilities after you've had your first contact experience.

1152
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.600
<v Speaker 1>And I was talking to my guests last night about this,

1153
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and it seems that this is across the board with

1154
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.800
<v Speaker 1>contact ease and experiencers. Once they've had this initial contact,

1155
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:47.840
<v Speaker 1>something changes in their physiology and their consciousness to where

1156
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:53.319
<v Speaker 1>something opens up, even with paranormal experiences sometimes, So that's

1157
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:56.079
<v Speaker 1>very interesting. What do you think is actually going on

1158
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:56.399
<v Speaker 1>with that.

1159
01:15:57.520 --> 01:15:59.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I agree with you, Chris.

1160
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:01.680
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's how happen to me personally, whether people

1161
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:03.199
<v Speaker 5>believe choose to believe that or not.

1162
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:04.439
<v Speaker 4>I know it has.

1163
01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:07.960
<v Speaker 5>And it's interesting that you mentioned the word paranormal, because

1164
01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:11.319
<v Speaker 5>we're going to do a little kind of canter through

1165
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.640
<v Speaker 5>this recent Pentagon report of June this year and compare

1166
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.640
<v Speaker 5>and contrast it to what was a real UAP report

1167
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:22.039
<v Speaker 5>from France and a military think tank, and they actually

1168
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.680
<v Speaker 5>include the concepts of the paranormal and they say, we're

1169
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.319
<v Speaker 5>not going to deny it, but we can't prove its

1170
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:31.680
<v Speaker 5>veracity either. It's far more you know, let's say, European

1171
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:38.199
<v Speaker 5>and open minded and genuine, intellectually honest about the subject

1172
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:43.720
<v Speaker 5>compared to this very closed report that comes from the Pentagon.

1173
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:47.199
<v Speaker 5>But you know, I think that there's so much of

1174
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:50.399
<v Speaker 5>existence that's going on beyond visible light. So you know,

1175
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:53.800
<v Speaker 5>when we're having well, when these experiences are happening, we

1176
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:56.920
<v Speaker 5>don't fairy understand what we're being exposed to. I mean

1177
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:01.319
<v Speaker 5>that some of the cases that this French report deals with,

1178
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:07.359
<v Speaker 5>for example, deals with the immobilization or freezing of witnesses,

1179
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.560
<v Speaker 5>and you know, we could try and explain that through

1180
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:15.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, the paranormal, but it's also potentially microwaves. So

1181
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:23.119
<v Speaker 5>there is this, I believe, scientific basis to the changes

1182
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:26.640
<v Speaker 5>that we're experiencing, whether it's a deeper sense of intuition

1183
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.640
<v Speaker 5>or clear cognisance which just means knowing without knowing why,

1184
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.159
<v Speaker 5>or clear sentience and feelings and all the rest of it.

1185
01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:38.760
<v Speaker 5>This is a this is a commonly reported aspect to

1186
01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:41.000
<v Speaker 5>the phenomena. It's happened to me, it's happened to you,

1187
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:44.640
<v Speaker 5>and I also I try to stay objective about it

1188
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:51.880
<v Speaker 5>and you know, understand what has happened. So yeah, I

1189
01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.039
<v Speaker 5>think that it's valid. I think it's based in science,

1190
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.760
<v Speaker 5>and I think that science and as you know, spirituality overlap.

1191
01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:04.279
<v Speaker 5>They're basically different languages describing the same thing. Perhaps, So

1192
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:06.840
<v Speaker 5>that's that's my take on it. And what was what

1193
01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:09.319
<v Speaker 5>was amazing to read in this let's say, a real

1194
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:13.399
<v Speaker 5>report from France is that it's it's taking all these

1195
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:18.319
<v Speaker 5>things into account and uh, you know this, this this

1196
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:23.600
<v Speaker 5>was put together by a bunch of serious researchers and

1197
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:29.680
<v Speaker 5>led by a general from you know, the the Institute

1198
01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.800
<v Speaker 5>of Higher Studies of National Defense. And it was also

1199
01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:38.000
<v Speaker 5>written by a division or air division leaderal or General

1200
01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:42.560
<v Speaker 5>Dennis Letti of the French Air Force. So you know,

1201
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:48.119
<v Speaker 5>I think that the military and the alphabet world of

1202
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:50.760
<v Speaker 5>agencies are very aware of these things. I mean, there

1203
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.279
<v Speaker 5>was a CIA report, and the CIA is an interesting

1204
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:57.199
<v Speaker 5>alphabet agency that will touch upon, particularly in respect of

1205
01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:00.039
<v Speaker 5>this O. D n I report from the Pentagon and

1206
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:01.439
<v Speaker 5>its absence in this report.

1207
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:04.039
<v Speaker 4>It speaks to me, yeah, right.

1208
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Now, with this French UAP report, could you give just

1209
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of background how it came about, what

1210
01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:14.800
<v Speaker 1>was the year it came about, and you mentioned who

1211
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:15.720
<v Speaker 1>was involved with it.

1212
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:17.479
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely sure.

1213
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:20.600
<v Speaker 5>So, I mean this report is by what was called

1214
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:24.880
<v Speaker 5>the COMMITA Committee, and you know it's it's completely in French,

1215
01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:28.680
<v Speaker 5>and I'm bilingual in French and English, and you know

1216
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:31.680
<v Speaker 5>the main language in Mauritius is French, so you know

1217
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.000
<v Speaker 5>I have to speak it and read it and write it,

1218
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:36.880
<v Speaker 5>but I also speak English here with those that can.

1219
01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:41.319
<v Speaker 5>So this is a report from the COMITA, which means

1220
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:44.680
<v Speaker 5>the Committee de tu DA, which means the Committee of

1221
01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:48.520
<v Speaker 5>In Depth Military Studies. It's a military think tank and

1222
01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:52.479
<v Speaker 5>it's basically a report that was comprised of experts from

1223
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 5>this higher Institute of Defense National Defense Studies. It was

1224
01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:02.159
<v Speaker 5>chaired by a chap called General Norla and he was

1225
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.840
<v Speaker 5>the former head of the Air Force in France during

1226
01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:08.600
<v Speaker 5>the I believe in the seventies or eighties. And as

1227
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:12.039
<v Speaker 5>I mentioned, the committee was presided by General and active

1228
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:15.920
<v Speaker 5>General Denis Letti of the Air Force. And I mean

1229
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.479
<v Speaker 5>this report was written compiled over three years, Chris. It's

1230
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.479
<v Speaker 5>quite a substantial report. It was written between ninety six

1231
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:28.479
<v Speaker 5>and nineteen ninety nine. There are approximately sixteen members or

1232
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:32.680
<v Speaker 5>contributors to the report, so yeah, three years of hard

1233
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:39.039
<v Speaker 5>work and amazingly, this military think tank based in Paris

1234
01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:41.800
<v Speaker 5>decided when the report was done that they were just

1235
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.159
<v Speaker 5>going to hand it to the French Prime Minister Monsieur

1236
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.800
<v Speaker 5>Leonell Josspack in ninety nine at the time, but it

1237
01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:51.960
<v Speaker 5>was without any requests from the Prime Minister himself or mandate,

1238
01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:56.079
<v Speaker 5>so there was no official convocation. But the military said,

1239
01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:58.119
<v Speaker 5>you know what, this is actually happening. We need to

1240
01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:00.359
<v Speaker 5>do this report and whether you like it or not,

1241
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:04.840
<v Speaker 5>mainstream government, we're going to give you this report. And predictably,

1242
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.920
<v Speaker 5>there was no official reaction from the government, who are

1243
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:10.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, relatively clueless compared to the military who have

1244
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:16.960
<v Speaker 5>been compiling this. So the report is basically entitled you

1245
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:21.319
<v Speaker 5>just speak in English, but it's basically UFOs and defense.

1246
01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:26.439
<v Speaker 5>What must we prepare for question mark? So it's an

1247
01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:30.319
<v Speaker 5>open question. And this report is really it's one hundred

1248
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:34.600
<v Speaker 5>and sixteen pages long. It's substantial compared to this you know,

1249
01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:39.760
<v Speaker 5>Pentagon report of effectively six pages of nothing. Well, there

1250
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:44.159
<v Speaker 5>are things, and some things are hidden, and it's mature.

1251
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:49.520
<v Speaker 5>It's a logical and transparent review that's basically put into

1252
01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:53.199
<v Speaker 5>three parts and then has a conclusion on French and

1253
01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:57.000
<v Speaker 5>foreign cases that have taken place over sixty years. And

1254
01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:01.359
<v Speaker 5>it does look at national defense, but it's also looking

1255
01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:05.319
<v Speaker 5>at the social and cultural implications, which obviously an educational

1256
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:08.439
<v Speaker 5>aspects that go hand in hand, you know, which was encouraging.

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<v Speaker 5>So what we're seeing here is a much more holistic

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01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:16.479
<v Speaker 5>review compared to the US Pentagon one of twenty fifth

1259
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:20.199
<v Speaker 5>of June of this year that's purely based in the

1260
01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:27.399
<v Speaker 5>context of threats, which means budget. So yeah, importantly, I

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01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:29.720
<v Speaker 5>guess what I need to really start by saying on

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01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:35.000
<v Speaker 5>this French military think tank report is that it confirms

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01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:38.800
<v Speaker 5>the physical reality of UFOs, and it does go as

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01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:41.800
<v Speaker 5>far as to say that there is a strong extraterrestrial

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01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:46.560
<v Speaker 5>hypothesis that is the most probable and credible explanation, which

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01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:50.600
<v Speaker 5>you don't get at all. Absolutely nothing mentioned deliberately so

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01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:56.079
<v Speaker 5>in the Ode and I Pentagon Report. What was amazing,

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01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:58.840
<v Speaker 5>Chris was that when this report was published and given

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01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.439
<v Speaker 5>to the Prime Minister of France in ninety nine, there

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01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.159
<v Speaker 5>was minimal to no media attention at all, despite you know,

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01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:07.720
<v Speaker 5>this think tank being in charge of national defense.

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01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of this until you mentioned it to

1274
01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:12.520
<v Speaker 1>me when we were talking about doing this show.

1275
01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:14.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but this is it.

1276
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:17.239
<v Speaker 5>There's so much media frenzy around this Pentagon report that

1277
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:21.119
<v Speaker 5>tells us nothing compared to this amazingly in depth and

1278
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:25.439
<v Speaker 5>you know, cerebral report from France, and it didn't appear

1279
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:27.800
<v Speaker 5>in the Figuarau or Lamonde, which are the two kind

1280
01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:32.159
<v Speaker 5>of national newspapers still and obviously even more relevant back

1281
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:34.279
<v Speaker 5>in the nineties where you know, there wasn't so much

1282
01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:39.720
<v Speaker 5>the you know, the internet as we have today. But

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01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.760
<v Speaker 5>it's it's an impressive document and I think we'll just

1284
01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:45.800
<v Speaker 5>go over the kind of key points, but you know,

1285
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:50.840
<v Speaker 5>that the general who chaired this this committee think tank

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01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:56.159
<v Speaker 5>says it's not just about a pure academic study. He

1287
01:23:56.239 --> 01:24:01.039
<v Speaker 5>says problems, the concrete problems are posed and it's not

1288
01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:05.119
<v Speaker 5>only civil or military pilots that are involved and that

1289
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:09.239
<v Speaker 5>need some kind of response based on this report in

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01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:13.079
<v Speaker 5>terms of action, it has a much wider implication in

1291
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:16.800
<v Speaker 5>society and which is totally what we don't see with

1292
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:21.239
<v Speaker 5>the Pentagon report. And even in the kind of preamble

1293
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:26.119
<v Speaker 5>it's saying, you know, we envisage all kinds of hypotheses

1294
01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:30.640
<v Speaker 5>on the origin of these UFOs and in particular and

1295
01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:36.199
<v Speaker 5>it highlights the extraterrestrial explanation and it basically there was

1296
01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:41.239
<v Speaker 5>about twenty contributors to this report, all highly respected, linked

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01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:46.399
<v Speaker 5>to the military scientists and all the rest, and it's

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01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:50.600
<v Speaker 5>really impressive. And what actually what I learned from reading

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01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:52.960
<v Speaker 5>this report page to page, all one hundred and sixteen

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01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:57.000
<v Speaker 5>pages of it, is that the French UFO study and

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01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:04.880
<v Speaker 5>reports pre date the American US Study of UFOs, which

1302
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:09.720
<v Speaker 5>began officially around Roswell in June or sorry July of

1303
01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:13.439
<v Speaker 5>nineteen forty seven. But there were cases that were mentioned

1304
01:25:13.479 --> 01:25:18.079
<v Speaker 5>in the twenties of suits you know, standing behind scientists

1305
01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:21.119
<v Speaker 5>studying recovered craft back in the twenties, but Roswell was

1306
01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:25.319
<v Speaker 5>really the kind of the barometer at the time. And

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01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:29.319
<v Speaker 5>then moving into Project blue Book, and I think I

1308
01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:31.199
<v Speaker 5>need to mention Blue Book a little bit later on

1309
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:34.279
<v Speaker 5>and how it links to the Pentagon Report that came

1310
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:35.359
<v Speaker 5>out in June of this year.

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01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:37.520
<v Speaker 4>So this French.

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01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:44.960
<v Speaker 5>Report says that you know, it's basically feeding the Institute

1313
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.000
<v Speaker 5>of High Studies in National Defense as to what's actually

1314
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:52.560
<v Speaker 5>going on and the kind of the auspices of the

1315
01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:55.760
<v Speaker 5>organization have changed since the nineties, but it still exists

1316
01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.800
<v Speaker 5>and it's part of this. It links into the French

1317
01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:03.079
<v Speaker 5>Space Agency too, So it is a serious report. It's

1318
01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:07.520
<v Speaker 5>very well structured. It goes over cases in France and

1319
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.399
<v Speaker 5>in abroad, and I'm just going to touch on a

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01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:16.239
<v Speaker 5>few of them because they're amazing military and civil pilots

1321
01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:20.680
<v Speaker 5>in France who you know, were flying fighter craft jets

1322
01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:23.720
<v Speaker 5>and objects were just buzzing them or cutting them up

1323
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:26.800
<v Speaker 5>in front of their in front of their jets and

1324
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:30.359
<v Speaker 5>then going you know, over the over their aircraft which

1325
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:34.039
<v Speaker 5>are going at great speed, a mirage for back in

1326
01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:37.479
<v Speaker 5>the late seventies. And then sitting behind the exhaust of

1327
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:43.800
<v Speaker 5>the fighter jet, so absolutely amazing, you know, green glowing

1328
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:49.840
<v Speaker 5>objects that easily outran these fighter jets back in the day.

1329
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:54.159
<v Speaker 5>A case of Air France, the national air carrier of France,

1330
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:59.439
<v Speaker 5>where unknown objects were just crossing the aircraft. And what's

1331
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.479
<v Speaker 5>interesting is that in this particular case with the Air

1332
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:07.560
<v Speaker 5>France jets I believe in the seventies, it talks about

1333
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:11.960
<v Speaker 5>a lenticular shaped object and it's very very similar in

1334
01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.640
<v Speaker 5>description to what we know as the gimbal, which was

1335
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:18.119
<v Speaker 5>this kind of bell shaped lenticular shaped object that we

1336
01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:24.760
<v Speaker 5>see from the USS NIMTS footage or gun fighter jet

1337
01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.760
<v Speaker 5>footage from the USSNMICS in two thousand and four, which

1338
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.800
<v Speaker 5>made the you know, New York Times back in twenty.

1339
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:31.560
<v Speaker 4>Seventeen, et cetera.

1340
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.279
<v Speaker 5>So you know, it deals with some of these French cases,

1341
01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:38.920
<v Speaker 5>it deals with cases in the UK and says that

1342
01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:40.520
<v Speaker 5>we are aware of the fact that it's not just

1343
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:44.279
<v Speaker 5>happening in France. There was a case in Lackenheath in

1344
01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:48.000
<v Speaker 5>nineteen fifty six in the UK. Again a military fighter jet,

1345
01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:52.359
<v Speaker 5>a venom in this case that was just buzzing pilots

1346
01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:55.560
<v Speaker 5>for about ten minutes a case, you know cases in

1347
01:27:55.600 --> 01:28:00.359
<v Speaker 5>the US again in the late fifties, and also really

1348
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:06.720
<v Speaker 5>seminal case that took place in Tehran in Iran, which

1349
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:08.880
<v Speaker 5>is a famous case. It's one of the most I

1350
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:13.399
<v Speaker 5>would say, you know, useful cases because it's just so

1351
01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:16.880
<v Speaker 5>well documented. And that took place in Tehran or over

1352
01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:21.439
<v Speaker 5>Tehran in nineteen seventy six in a phantom jet and

1353
01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:28.920
<v Speaker 5>this this UFO basically disabled the weaponry of this fighter

1354
01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:35.199
<v Speaker 5>jet and as soon as the aircraft disengaged, everything came

1355
01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:38.119
<v Speaker 5>back online. I mean, this is very commonly reported. They

1356
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:43.319
<v Speaker 5>cover cases from Russia in the nineties and you know,

1357
01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:48.960
<v Speaker 5>managed to get declassified documents related to a general Maltsev and.

1358
01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:51.680
<v Speaker 4>Spoke about that.

1359
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:54.279
<v Speaker 5>These documents spoke about are kind of an intercept that

1360
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:57.880
<v Speaker 5>happened with US Mira sorry Russian mirages.

1361
01:28:58.079 --> 01:28:59.119
<v Speaker 4>They're jets.

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01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:03.399
<v Speaker 5>To study UFOs that were just sitting stationary in the

1363
01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:08.119
<v Speaker 5>sky Argentina in nineteen ninety seven are boeing seven to seven.

1364
01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it just the list is endless.

1365
01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:14.079
<v Speaker 5>But there is a case that they deal with a

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01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 5>for me, it's a famous case that took place in

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01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:21.000
<v Speaker 5>France in a beautiful little area in the southeast called

1368
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:24.720
<v Speaker 5>Valensul and you may have heard of this case, Chris.

1369
01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:29.399
<v Speaker 5>I mean they the National Police or the Gendarmes geen

1370
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:33.000
<v Speaker 5>Darmrie Nationale as they call it in France, investigated this

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01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:36.920
<v Speaker 5>where basically a farmer, a kind of a lavender field

1372
01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:39.680
<v Speaker 5>farmer in this region of France. If you google it,

1373
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:45.079
<v Speaker 5>you just see endless miles of lavender fields, beautiful and

1374
01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:47.840
<v Speaker 5>this farmer is just getting up earlier and early in

1375
01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:51.119
<v Speaker 5>the morning and he walks out into the field and

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01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:56.159
<v Speaker 5>there are these two little men, I suppose, like small

1377
01:29:56.159 --> 01:30:01.159
<v Speaker 5>grays with a tic tac like craft sat behind them

1378
01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:04.079
<v Speaker 5>in the background, and they're collecting some of the lavender

1379
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:09.439
<v Speaker 5>leaves from the plants, and they see him and they

1380
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:14.600
<v Speaker 5>just calmly turn around and enter the craft through a

1381
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:19.640
<v Speaker 5>door that just opens. But he's paralyzed. He can't move,

1382
01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:23.840
<v Speaker 5>he's literally been rendered immobile. But he can move his eyes,

1383
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:27.279
<v Speaker 5>he can breathe, he can think, but he physically can't

1384
01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:30.079
<v Speaker 5>move until they get into the craft, this tic tac,

1385
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:35.039
<v Speaker 5>which then turns to the vertical and just shoots up

1386
01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:37.520
<v Speaker 5>into the sky. And this is a famous case that

1387
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.159
<v Speaker 5>took place in July of nineteen sixty five. And this

1388
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:45.960
<v Speaker 5>isn't a freaking you know, French military think tank reports,

1389
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:48.680
<v Speaker 5>and it was seriously studied by the like I said,

1390
01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:50.000
<v Speaker 5>the National Police of France.

1391
01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:52.760
<v Speaker 4>A huge get a.

1392
01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:56.439
<v Speaker 5>Large inquiry of quality that took place on this affair

1393
01:30:57.199 --> 01:30:59.720
<v Speaker 5>and it left, you know, traces in the ground and

1394
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:03.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, amazing. Another one in the southern area of.

1395
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:05.439
<v Speaker 4>France, Provence.

1396
01:31:05.560 --> 01:31:09.680
<v Speaker 5>Provence is the there's a beautiful green region in the south,

1397
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:12.119
<v Speaker 5>very warm. And this one took place in the year

1398
01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:14.600
<v Speaker 5>I was born, in plain daylight in nineteen eighty one,

1399
01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:18.720
<v Speaker 5>and it was a got to say it, double kind

1400
01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:23.720
<v Speaker 5>of t shaped tea saucer, flying saucer object that just

1401
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:25.920
<v Speaker 5>landed in somebody's garden.

1402
01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:28.199
<v Speaker 4>Amazing stuff.

1403
01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:34.760
<v Speaker 5>So there, it's the complete antithesis to this Pentagon report.

1404
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Now I have to ask, out of all of those profound,

1405
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:44.079
<v Speaker 1>amazing sightings and cases that they have in that report,

1406
01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:50.199
<v Speaker 1>how many would demonstrate that these whatever we're dealing with

1407
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:53.319
<v Speaker 1>are a genuine threat.

1408
01:31:54.039 --> 01:31:57.640
<v Speaker 5>This is the thing, Chris, I mean, it doesn't talk

1409
01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:01.399
<v Speaker 5>about threats. It says it's always possible. But you know,

1410
01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:04.680
<v Speaker 5>if there was a genuine threat, such as an invasion,

1411
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:06.560
<v Speaker 5>for example, it would have already happened.

1412
01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, even you know, engaging with even engaging with one

1413
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of our fighter pilots, are you know, attacking back if

1414
01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:16.279
<v Speaker 1>we happened to engage with them? You know, is there

1415
01:32:16.439 --> 01:32:19.239
<v Speaker 1>is there anything of that nature in any of these.

1416
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:22.840
<v Speaker 5>Reports They mentioned the possibility, but they each mention of this,

1417
01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:26.520
<v Speaker 5>they say it's highly unlikely, because it is highly unlikely

1418
01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:30.800
<v Speaker 5>logically it would have already happened. And what was really

1419
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:35.239
<v Speaker 5>interesting about this report is a clear suspicion of the

1420
01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:38.520
<v Speaker 5>US and the authorities in the US in that they

1421
01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:46.880
<v Speaker 5>even talk about, you know, the General Twining Air Material

1422
01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Command that surrounded a load of UFO appearances in the

1423
01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:54.199
<v Speaker 5>late forties after Roswell, and that the French respect the

1424
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:58.039
<v Speaker 5>recovered craft actually happened. There may have been more than

1425
01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:02.319
<v Speaker 5>one craft around Roswell, as we know, So they're highly suspicious.

1426
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:06.439
<v Speaker 5>You know, they're smart. They say that, look, our French

1427
01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:09.960
<v Speaker 5>cases officially pre date your US cases, but you're probably

1428
01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:13.439
<v Speaker 5>not telling us about them. In the US, they look

1429
01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:17.079
<v Speaker 5>at propulsion, the propulsion systems, try to explain what they

1430
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:20.199
<v Speaker 5>are in a mature and open way. They even talk

1431
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:24.039
<v Speaker 5>about the fact that when these craft or beings or

1432
01:33:24.079 --> 01:33:28.880
<v Speaker 5>objects are appearing, people's car engines are stopping, and they say, well,

1433
01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:31.079
<v Speaker 5>this could be microwaves, a bit like when that chat

1434
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:34.079
<v Speaker 5>the farmer was immobilized in the field in the lavender

1435
01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:36.359
<v Speaker 5>field in Valenceaul.

1436
01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Like I talked about.

1437
01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:40.239
<v Speaker 5>So they take a really balanced view and they say, look,

1438
01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:45.399
<v Speaker 5>even parapp psychology, this paranormal explanation, it can't.

1439
01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:46.399
<v Speaker 4>Be ruled out.

1440
01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:51.520
<v Speaker 5>And it even goes as far to say, look, only

1441
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:56.640
<v Speaker 5>scientific hypotheses such as you know, hidden government technology or

1442
01:33:56.680 --> 01:34:01.640
<v Speaker 5>secret technology from special access projects is impossible to sustain,

1443
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:05.399
<v Speaker 5>especially for cases in the last ten years, in other words,

1444
01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:11.279
<v Speaker 5>from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety seven. And the

1445
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:14.680
<v Speaker 5>most likely explanation is extraterrestrial. You know, they're dealing with

1446
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:19.119
<v Speaker 5>this face to face without any problem at all, and

1447
01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:23.399
<v Speaker 5>they say, look, you know, we need to understand the

1448
01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:27.840
<v Speaker 5>propulsion systems because we need to decide whether we're able

1449
01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:30.880
<v Speaker 5>to travel to the stars and set up our own earth,

1450
01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:34.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, human colonies to survive. I mean, this isn't

1451
01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:39.760
<v Speaker 5>a military report. Incredible. It even says that you know, what,

1452
01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:44.880
<v Speaker 5>if it is extra terrestrial, maybe they're people that originally

1453
01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:49.199
<v Speaker 5>or beings from Earth that migrated from Earth and maybe

1454
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:52.600
<v Speaker 5>settled in the asteroid Belt or other planets around our

1455
01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:56.800
<v Speaker 5>Solar system, and that can't be excluded either.

1456
01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:02.199
<v Speaker 4>I like the fact that they deal with the the.

1457
01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:05.119
<v Speaker 5>Whitewash of the conclusion on Project blue Book. And as

1458
01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, you and others know that Project blue Book

1459
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:12.680
<v Speaker 5>was basically this usafour study between nineteen forty seven to

1460
01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:17.279
<v Speaker 5>nineteen sixty nine to analyze all these UFO sightings. But

1461
01:35:17.319 --> 01:35:21.560
<v Speaker 5>the problem was was that this physicist called Condon basically

1462
01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:23.319
<v Speaker 5>disregarded all the evidence.

1463
01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:25.640
<v Speaker 4>And said, no, no, there's no real.

1464
01:35:25.479 --> 01:35:30.560
<v Speaker 5>Advancement in science or explanation or developments in science or

1465
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.239
<v Speaker 5>in the sciences that can happen through the study of UFOs.

1466
01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:37.239
<v Speaker 5>But many scientists disagreed with him, and they said, but look,

1467
01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:42.199
<v Speaker 5>you're contradicting the evidence in this report. And you know,

1468
01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:45.640
<v Speaker 5>there was a freedom of information request that happened. I

1469
01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:48.840
<v Speaker 5>think it was in October of nineteen sixty nine, for example.

1470
01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:49.520
<v Speaker 4>And the.

1471
01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:53.439
<v Speaker 5>Event that occurred, because I mean the Freedom of Information

1472
01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:55.199
<v Speaker 5>Act in the States, I think that was in around

1473
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:58.039
<v Speaker 5>seventy four. So as soon as this Freedom of Information

1474
01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:02.960
<v Speaker 5>Act comes in, somebody finds this letter from an Air

1475
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:08.479
<v Speaker 5>Brigade general called Bolander in the States, and he's basically

1476
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:12.159
<v Speaker 5>writing in this letter openly admitting that the US Air

1477
01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:16.399
<v Speaker 5>Force does continue to monitor these UFOs, and it's very

1478
01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:20.279
<v Speaker 5>much based on or within the context of threats, which

1479
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:25.000
<v Speaker 5>is exactly where we are still in twenty and twenty

1480
01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:28.279
<v Speaker 5>one with this Pentagon report, whereas we have this complete

1481
01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:33.159
<v Speaker 5>antithesis with the French report that says, nothing to worry about.

1482
01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:36.920
<v Speaker 5>It's happening. The threat is always going to be possible,

1483
01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:41.920
<v Speaker 5>but it's not probable, it's improbable, and in fact that

1484
01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:46.000
<v Speaker 5>the French military anticipated a peaceful presence.

1485
01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:47.279
<v Speaker 4>They go as far to say.

1486
01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:50.199
<v Speaker 5>That they say, well, they're asking the questions, do they

1487
01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:53.159
<v Speaker 5>simply want to observe us? And then they go on

1488
01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:56.840
<v Speaker 5>to say, you know, it could be to warn us

1489
01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:00.319
<v Speaker 5>of a potential nuclear holocaust because we're playing around with

1490
01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:04.640
<v Speaker 5>nuclear testing and weapons. Or it could be to stop

1491
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:09.520
<v Speaker 5>US from sending weaponry or explosives into space because it

1492
01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:14.399
<v Speaker 5>could have an impact across across their area of space.

1493
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:19.239
<v Speaker 5>Even if it was, say to kind of divert incoming asteroids,

1494
01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:22.039
<v Speaker 5>which is a reasonable thing to try and do, but

1495
01:37:22.079 --> 01:37:23.279
<v Speaker 5>it could have an impact.

1496
01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:28.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, this this report that we're discussing it. The

1497
01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>more I hear about it, the more it makes me

1498
01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>just realize that our government, our military is probably you know,

1499
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>hiding so much because they have so much advanced technology already.

1500
01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Some of these you know, black op factions probably have

1501
01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, reverse engineered everything, you know, And if we

1502
01:37:51.920 --> 01:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>were to kind of admit that we knew a little

1503
01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>bit more about this, and I don't think we know

1504
01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:03.199
<v Speaker 1>how to to approach that and not give ourselves away.

1505
01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think we have a lot at stake,

1506
01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:09.359
<v Speaker 1>And especially if we're running with a secret space program

1507
01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that goes, you know, beyond the Moon, even possibly beyond Mars,

1508
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:17.399
<v Speaker 1>we could have operations already out there.

1509
01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:18.079
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1510
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:21.039
<v Speaker 1>That's really something that we wouldn't want getting out into

1511
01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:24.199
<v Speaker 1>the public, especially with some of the technologies that are

1512
01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:28.760
<v Speaker 1>associated with this supposed secret space program. So yeah, the

1513
01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:31.159
<v Speaker 1>more the more I hear about this report, and this

1514
01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>was in the nineties, you know, I'm sure a lot

1515
01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:38.760
<v Speaker 1>has changed. I don't know if any you know, alliances

1516
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>have been formed with these secret factions or in in the.

1517
01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:46.640
<v Speaker 5>It's a very good point, Chris, because I heard through

1518
01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:53.800
<v Speaker 5>a former elite military soldier, a French soldier by the

1519
01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:57.640
<v Speaker 5>way happened to be walking over the Pont Dalma in

1520
01:38:57.800 --> 01:39:02.439
<v Speaker 5>Paris the moment that Princess Diana died in ninety seven, bizarrely,

1521
01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:05.399
<v Speaker 5>and he says that he had a contact who was

1522
01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:12.319
<v Speaker 5>literally a French intelligence officer who was basically moving location

1523
01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:15.479
<v Speaker 5>every six months, and he was informed in a bar

1524
01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.840
<v Speaker 5>by this guy because they're both soldiers. But this guy

1525
01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:21.439
<v Speaker 5>happened to go into intelligence and he said that the

1526
01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:25.840
<v Speaker 5>French military or the French Ministry of Defense have been

1527
01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:30.319
<v Speaker 5>in contact with a small gray species. So that's just anecdotal,

1528
01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:34.479
<v Speaker 5>and you know, something that happens after this report came

1529
01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:39.800
<v Speaker 5>out in ninety nine, so it's interesting. Yeah, and you know,

1530
01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:42.640
<v Speaker 5>God knows what they're doing. I mean, even Dr Stephen

1531
01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:45.640
<v Speaker 5>Grier has been he brand Some years ago, he was

1532
01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:49.479
<v Speaker 5>brandishing a letter that the French Ministry of Defense wrote

1533
01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:52.520
<v Speaker 5>to him to thank him for a field trip that

1534
01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:55.159
<v Speaker 5>he did with a group of a group of generals

1535
01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:58.640
<v Speaker 5>in the north of France where apparently it was in

1536
01:39:58.680 --> 01:39:59.399
<v Speaker 5>plain daylight.

1537
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:00.000
<v Speaker 4>He can vote.

1538
01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:04.079
<v Speaker 5>He did the C five contact and a load of

1539
01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:07.760
<v Speaker 5>purple orbs or UFO showed up in front of an

1540
01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:11.600
<v Speaker 5>audience of French generals and military, you know staff.

1541
01:40:12.239 --> 01:40:15.720
<v Speaker 4>So there hasn't been a huge amount of.

1542
01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:20.479
<v Speaker 5>You know, concrete evidence apart from these anecdotal points and

1543
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:24.319
<v Speaker 5>some limited documentary evidence coming out. But the kind of

1544
01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:28.279
<v Speaker 5>groundwork in this Comita report that was given to the

1545
01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:31.199
<v Speaker 5>Prime Minister of France in ninety nine is just it's

1546
01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:34.119
<v Speaker 5>all there, and it's the anti thesis of this of

1547
01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:40.119
<v Speaker 5>this frankly piece of crap from the Pentagon. And I

1548
01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:42.720
<v Speaker 5>know that many of our colleagues in the UFO Fielder said, look,

1549
01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.000
<v Speaker 5>it's a start, it is a start, but it's a

1550
01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:49.600
<v Speaker 5>misleading start in my opinion, because it's not looking at

1551
01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:53.000
<v Speaker 5>the wider evidence. And maybe we'll just go over that.

1552
01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:55.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, the French report talks about the secre sed

1553
01:40:56.119 --> 01:41:00.399
<v Speaker 5>it mentions, you know, Colonel Philip Corso releasing the day

1554
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:04.199
<v Speaker 5>after Roswell in ninety seven, exactly fifty years after the

1555
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:08.439
<v Speaker 5>Roswell crash happened, which would have fallen outside I suppose

1556
01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:11.159
<v Speaker 5>of the Official Secrets Act at the time or whatever

1557
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:15.600
<v Speaker 5>the law was in or is in the States, and

1558
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:18.920
<v Speaker 5>it says we need to have cooperation with the European Union,

1559
01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:24.760
<v Speaker 5>with the United States, with NATO, we need to have

1560
01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:29.840
<v Speaker 5>protocols put in place with the French Space Agency, with

1561
01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:37.159
<v Speaker 5>the Air Force and the civil aviation bureaus and all

1562
01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:41.199
<v Speaker 5>of these you know, sensible suggestions. It even goes as

1563
01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:43.560
<v Speaker 5>far to say, we need to break our bad habits

1564
01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:47.800
<v Speaker 5>as kind of you know, a civilization hooked on politics

1565
01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:49.680
<v Speaker 5>and religion which is going to get in the way

1566
01:41:49.720 --> 01:41:54.560
<v Speaker 5>of advancing. So you know, it comes up with these

1567
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:58.039
<v Speaker 5>a series of conclusions and suggestions which are far more

1568
01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:00.600
<v Speaker 5>useful than what we see in the penta On report.

1569
01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.600
<v Speaker 5>And it opens the conclusions by saying in French, we

1570
01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:07.439
<v Speaker 5>must not laugh at the UFO problem because it's not

1571
01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:09.720
<v Speaker 5>funny and there's too much evidence and there's too many

1572
01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:14.840
<v Speaker 5>serious implications happening. It even goes to say, we need

1573
01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:17.960
<v Speaker 5>a cosmic and un quoting you here, a cosmic vigilance

1574
01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:23.760
<v Speaker 5>is now required from now on to kind of avoid

1575
01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:29.119
<v Speaker 5>any to disarm possible media manipulation. So I mean that

1576
01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:33.600
<v Speaker 5>this is a truly independent and smart report that's coming out,

1577
01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:36.600
<v Speaker 5>and at the end by saying, look, the goals or

1578
01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:40.600
<v Speaker 5>the objectives of these visitors are not known, but they

1579
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:44.680
<v Speaker 5>must be. We must speculate reasonably about this, and we

1580
01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:49.079
<v Speaker 5>have a series of recommendations informing the political leadership and

1581
01:42:49.159 --> 01:42:55.279
<v Speaker 5>military leadership and you know the administrations, civil aviation pilots,

1582
01:42:55.359 --> 01:42:59.960
<v Speaker 5>helicopter pilots, they need to learn about this in you know, FLIGHTSCA.

1583
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:04.880
<v Speaker 5>That's what it says. We need to have military research

1584
01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:10.119
<v Speaker 5>dedicated to this, and finance, we need the resources to

1585
01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:15.560
<v Speaker 5>do it across all the different agencies, surveillance systems, so

1586
01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:18.359
<v Speaker 5>many things. The highest level of state needs to be

1587
01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:23.039
<v Speaker 5>involved at the and link into the French Space Agency

1588
01:43:23.760 --> 01:43:27.960
<v Speaker 5>and it's just so much more interesting and you know, laudable.

1589
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:31.680
<v Speaker 5>And there's a there's a notable difference Chris, between the

1590
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:34.920
<v Speaker 5>French report and this Pentagon report. And that's the kind

1591
01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:38.840
<v Speaker 5>of series of you know, explanations that they offer. And

1592
01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:42.520
<v Speaker 5>I'll go into that if you like, I'll kind of compare.

1593
01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:45.079
<v Speaker 5>I'll go into the Pentagon report and try and cover

1594
01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:47.199
<v Speaker 5>a few things that are more subtle.

1595
01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just jump in sure, we'll do.

1596
01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:53.000
<v Speaker 4>All right.

1597
01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:55.439
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, I mean, we all we've heard so much

1598
01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:57.920
<v Speaker 5>about this Pentagon report the twenty fifth of June of

1599
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:02.520
<v Speaker 5>this year, and like I mentioned earlier, there's this continuation,

1600
01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:07.119
<v Speaker 5>sadly of the inertia of Project Blue Book, which was,

1601
01:44:08.039 --> 01:44:11.319
<v Speaker 5>like I said, between nineteen forty seven to sixty nine

1602
01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:14.560
<v Speaker 5>denied officially denied UFOs and that they were of little

1603
01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:19.479
<v Speaker 5>interest to advance the sciences. And although Blue Book was

1604
01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:22.479
<v Speaker 5>criticized by the scientists, and I think they were the

1605
01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:27.439
<v Speaker 5>American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronomy or Astronautics at the time,

1606
01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:32.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, they said that there's this contradiction. Then we

1607
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:35.319
<v Speaker 5>had the Freedom of Information Acts confirming that this stuff

1608
01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:38.319
<v Speaker 5>was continually being monitored. And then here we are in

1609
01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:43.039
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty one and we get six pages of a

1610
01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:52.840
<v Speaker 5>very generic, circumumstantial, limited look at the UFO reality within

1611
01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:56.199
<v Speaker 5>the States. It's all about threats. In the introduction, there's

1612
01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:59.319
<v Speaker 5>four mentions of the word threat, completely the opposite of

1613
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:06.079
<v Speaker 5>the French report, the military report, and you know, it

1614
01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:09.199
<v Speaker 5>says that it's for the intelligence community to organize and

1615
01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:12.000
<v Speaker 5>to understand, not the little people or the you know,

1616
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.920
<v Speaker 5>with the social kind of implications that the French military

1617
01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:17.920
<v Speaker 5>are talking about here. And you know, we're only looking

1618
01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:20.800
<v Speaker 5>at events that took place between November two thousand and

1619
01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:23.680
<v Speaker 5>four to March twenty twenty one, which is just we're

1620
01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:26.359
<v Speaker 5>choosing to be blind, that's what it says. I mean,

1621
01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:30.640
<v Speaker 5>and embarrassingly, it goes in to say that the majority

1622
01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:35.840
<v Speaker 5>of them are from twenty and seventeen to twenty twenty one. Only, yeah,

1623
01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:38.840
<v Speaker 5>it's embarrassing, it is, and that they're mainly from the

1624
01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:41.479
<v Speaker 5>US Navy. And I think that anyone that really studies

1625
01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.800
<v Speaker 5>this phenomena knows that the US Navy are probably the

1626
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.840
<v Speaker 5>good guys that are trying to advance the study and

1627
01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:53.239
<v Speaker 5>actually are more relaxed about releasing this. We've been told

1628
01:45:53.239 --> 01:45:55.560
<v Speaker 5>that there's been kind of conflicting views as to what

1629
01:45:55.640 --> 01:45:58.880
<v Speaker 5>the classified version of this report looks like, and there

1630
01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:00.920
<v Speaker 5>was talk that it might be leaked or it should

1631
01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:04.359
<v Speaker 5>have been leaked by now. Some say it's seventy pages long.

1632
01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:07.800
<v Speaker 5>Others say it's four hundred pages long. I mean, there's

1633
01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:13.399
<v Speaker 5>a huge variance there of length, which is basically this

1634
01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:15.840
<v Speaker 5>appendix B to the report. That's what it would be.

1635
01:46:17.399 --> 01:46:19.960
<v Speaker 5>If we look at the Pentagon report, there's twenty or

1636
01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:24.079
<v Speaker 5>so alphabet agencies listed, and the one that I mentioned

1637
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:26.600
<v Speaker 5>to you the other day, Chris that doesn't appear is

1638
01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:32.600
<v Speaker 5>take a guess the CIA. It's the CIA well done so,

1639
01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:36.439
<v Speaker 5>I mean very interesting. I mean, the CIA has domestic influence,

1640
01:46:36.520 --> 01:46:39.359
<v Speaker 5>but also international. These are the guys that should be

1641
01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:43.359
<v Speaker 5>going over to other governments and intelligence agencies to feed

1642
01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:45.560
<v Speaker 5>in and of course they're not there, and it's deliberate.

1643
01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, they are the largest drug dealers on the planet,

1644
01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:51.840
<v Speaker 1>so I mean it's to be expected.

1645
01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:55.399
<v Speaker 4>Wow, yeah, I mean.

1646
01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just got to be honest.

1647
01:46:57.399 --> 01:47:01.680
<v Speaker 5>Really, No, there is plenty on this subject around the

1648
01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:02.279
<v Speaker 5>drug trade.

1649
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:03.119
<v Speaker 4>I'm aware of it.

1650
01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that among among other dirtyness that we

1651
01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:07.119
<v Speaker 1>won't get into tonight.

1652
01:47:07.159 --> 01:47:09.239
<v Speaker 5>But you know, yeah, I know I've had a lot

1653
01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:11.399
<v Speaker 5>of things too, and you know a lot more about

1654
01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:15.439
<v Speaker 5>that than me. But as to this report, I mean,

1655
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:17.760
<v Speaker 5>the fact that they're not there is just like it

1656
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:20.800
<v Speaker 5>sticks out like a sore thumb. So either the CIA

1657
01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:25.159
<v Speaker 5>are you know, they're they're they're closing down the information

1658
01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:30.560
<v Speaker 5>deliberately by not being there. They either won't closer control.

1659
01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Or they won't cooperate.

1660
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:35.800
<v Speaker 5>Who knows, but I would have thought that they've been

1661
01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:38.399
<v Speaker 5>doing a lot of orchestration and you know, behind the scenes,

1662
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:42.520
<v Speaker 5>and the fact that they're not here speaks volumes overall.

1663
01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:45.760
<v Speaker 5>This It's a silly report in that it kind of

1664
01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:50.079
<v Speaker 5>ignores everything that this military report from France says it's

1665
01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:54.039
<v Speaker 5>like a false agnosticism, as in, we can't decide whether

1666
01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:57.239
<v Speaker 5>it's real or not after all the strong evidence it's

1667
01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:00.000
<v Speaker 5>been going back for decades, you know, nearly one hundred years,

1668
01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:05.239
<v Speaker 5>and you know, a cover up that we officially know

1669
01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:08.119
<v Speaker 5>has been running since the twenties or thirties before oswell

1670
01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:12.840
<v Speaker 5>in the States, there's no mention whatsoever of ets or

1671
01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:17.920
<v Speaker 5>extraterrestrial origins. Very disappointing and unrealistic. But there are some

1672
01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:24.079
<v Speaker 5>nuanced hints at that jump around in this report and

1673
01:48:24.119 --> 01:48:26.399
<v Speaker 5>the two issues we're going to look at a in

1674
01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:28.680
<v Speaker 5>a bit, and it's kind of it's very subtle, but

1675
01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:31.720
<v Speaker 5>it kind of jumps around and it's hidden in jargon

1676
01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:34.680
<v Speaker 5>so that the kind of average you know, Joe public

1677
01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:39.159
<v Speaker 5>isn't really going to think too much. I mean, the

1678
01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:43.000
<v Speaker 5>Executive Summary talks about a limited amount of high quality

1679
01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:49.520
<v Speaker 5>reporting being available, which is rubbish, but that's what they say.

1680
01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:52.640
<v Speaker 5>But they do they kind of parrot the French report

1681
01:48:52.680 --> 01:48:55.479
<v Speaker 5>and say, but well, these do represent physical objects and

1682
01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:59.319
<v Speaker 5>they're mainly registered on They call it sensors, multiple sensors,

1683
01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:05.199
<v Speaker 5>so you know, radar tech whatever, infrared, electro optical weapon

1684
01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:10.960
<v Speaker 5>seekers and visual observations. What it does is is shrinks

1685
01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:16.039
<v Speaker 5>down these kinds of explanations into five categories. There's airborne clutter,

1686
01:49:16.640 --> 01:49:20.319
<v Speaker 5>natural atmospheric phenomena, so ice that kind of thing, a

1687
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:25.560
<v Speaker 5>United States government or US industry developmental programs, whatever that means,

1688
01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:29.520
<v Speaker 5>whether that includes you know, the special access programs or

1689
01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:34.159
<v Speaker 5>black projects as people like to call them, foreign adversary systems.

1690
01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:37.479
<v Speaker 5>And then there's this kind of interesting fifth category, the

1691
01:49:37.800 --> 01:49:41.000
<v Speaker 5>catch all other bin which could be anything.

1692
01:49:42.840 --> 01:49:45.520
<v Speaker 4>So there is a there is some overlap with the

1693
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:46.840
<v Speaker 4>French military report.

1694
01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:49.199
<v Speaker 5>You know that it says, yes, it could be a

1695
01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:52.279
<v Speaker 5>foreign adversary, or they don't call them an adversary, they'd

1696
01:49:52.319 --> 01:49:54.640
<v Speaker 5>just say, you know, foreign technology.

1697
01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:55.960
<v Speaker 4>But the French report goes further.

1698
01:49:56.079 --> 01:49:59.680
<v Speaker 5>It says, well, it could be paranormal, unseen forces that

1699
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.920
<v Speaker 5>we don't understand. It's it's possibly scientific, and it's probably not.

1700
01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:06.279
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's not scientific, but it's a reality.

1701
01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say. You know, I'm

1702
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:11.359
<v Speaker 1>sure a lot of this is, you know, because we

1703
01:50:11.479 --> 01:50:14.920
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of reverse engineer technology. We know a lot,

1704
01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:17.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's also probably because we don't know a lot

1705
01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and we are we don't understand what's going on. It's

1706
01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:26.640
<v Speaker 1>probably beyond human comprehension to some levels. So it's it

1707
01:50:26.760 --> 01:50:30.319
<v Speaker 1>may be terrifying to some of these factions that they

1708
01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:33.640
<v Speaker 1>can't understand this stuff. I don't know, because it seems

1709
01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:37.079
<v Speaker 1>it seems to all be connected into some weird paranormal

1710
01:50:37.239 --> 01:50:37.439
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1711
01:50:40.840 --> 01:50:43.760
<v Speaker 5>The French Report is honest enough to say, well, it

1712
01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:47.119
<v Speaker 5>could be paranormal, it could be disinformation. You know, it

1713
01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:49.039
<v Speaker 5>could be you know, within the context of the Cold

1714
01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:51.560
<v Speaker 5>War cases and even up to now, it could be

1715
01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:56.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, governments or whoever making us think it's ET

1716
01:50:56.239 --> 01:50:58.920
<v Speaker 5>when it's not, which is unlikely because the technology is

1717
01:50:58.960 --> 01:50:59.720
<v Speaker 5>so advanced.

1718
01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:01.840
<v Speaker 4>They even go as far to.

1719
01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:05.359
<v Speaker 5>Say it could be holographics, as in, you know, there

1720
01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:08.960
<v Speaker 5>was this kind of theory connected to Blue Book about

1721
01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:12.680
<v Speaker 5>a kind of full salient invasion or whatever, and it says, well, yeah,

1722
01:51:12.720 --> 01:51:15.920
<v Speaker 5>it could be holographics, and that could either be extraterrestrial

1723
01:51:16.039 --> 01:51:18.479
<v Speaker 5>or it could be man made human but it would

1724
01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:20.119
<v Speaker 5>be but they say it's very hard to pull off.

1725
01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:23.640
<v Speaker 5>And then the final kind of part of this French

1726
01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:27.239
<v Speaker 5>report says well, it's most likely ets could be in

1727
01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:31.399
<v Speaker 5>the asteroid belt, could be a lot of civilization or

1728
01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:36.039
<v Speaker 5>advanced civilization from Earth and that's the most likely explanation.

1729
01:51:36.119 --> 01:51:38.800
<v Speaker 5>But with this Pentagon one, it's just this other casual

1730
01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:43.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, put in in this basket, having no explanation

1731
01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:47.000
<v Speaker 5>for the public in this unclassified report. And I mean

1732
01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:50.079
<v Speaker 5>the report just says we need to organize and formalize reporting.

1733
01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:52.800
<v Speaker 5>That's what it's basically saying. And it pretends not to

1734
01:51:52.840 --> 01:51:57.600
<v Speaker 5>know anything about the phenomena, you know, insulting all of

1735
01:51:57.640 --> 01:51:59.560
<v Speaker 5>our intelligence and flying in.

1736
01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:02.760
<v Speaker 1>The face of it was mainly an insult.

1737
01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:05.840
<v Speaker 5>It is an insult in my opinion. I mean, that's

1738
01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:07.880
<v Speaker 5>what it is. It is a start if you're if

1739
01:52:07.880 --> 01:52:09.600
<v Speaker 5>you're a member of the public and you don't even

1740
01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:12.600
<v Speaker 5>think about this subject, it might be a you know,

1741
01:52:13.439 --> 01:52:16.520
<v Speaker 5>intriguing or curious, but it's frankly.

1742
01:52:16.279 --> 01:52:20.479
<v Speaker 1>I think after twenty seventeen, the public should be beyond this.

1743
01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:23.600
<v Speaker 1>At that point, and I think, I mean, I think

1744
01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the majority people honestly are ready to hear this, and

1745
01:52:27.199 --> 01:52:31.520
<v Speaker 1>they already know it. You know, most of you guys

1746
01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:32.600
<v Speaker 1>in the States.

1747
01:52:32.279 --> 01:52:37.600
<v Speaker 5>Have a persuaded that extraterrestrials exist. I mean, there's been

1748
01:52:37.640 --> 01:52:39.600
<v Speaker 5>surveys on this, and then there's a reason that they're

1749
01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:44.720
<v Speaker 5>doing surveys on this they know, so you know, it's

1750
01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:47.000
<v Speaker 5>saying that the Navy is where this is coming from,

1751
01:52:47.039 --> 01:52:49.199
<v Speaker 5>because I think they are more transparent.

1752
01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:52.119
<v Speaker 4>They want to genuinely advanced that's in the public sphere.

1753
01:52:53.439 --> 01:52:55.920
<v Speaker 5>So they're kind of like, let's not mention the CIA

1754
01:52:55.960 --> 01:52:57.239
<v Speaker 5>and the black projects or whatever.

1755
01:52:57.399 --> 01:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Let's well, I also think when it comes to military faction,

1756
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing.

1757
01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:05.600
<v Speaker 5>And absolutely, and this is what I think the report

1758
01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:08.800
<v Speaker 5>is secretly hinting at. There's a section we'll talk about that.

1759
01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:11.359
<v Speaker 5>I mean it goes into saying, look, there's stigma. Our

1760
01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:16.039
<v Speaker 5>information's crap because there's stigma amongst the personnel. Oh yeah,

1761
01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:20.479
<v Speaker 5>our senses are limited. I mean it's pathetic. And you know,

1762
01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:24.680
<v Speaker 5>the percentage of cases that are high quality tiny, so

1763
01:53:25.800 --> 01:53:29.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, and it's well, if the military equipment happens

1764
01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:33.279
<v Speaker 5>to pick it up, you know, then then we can

1765
01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:36.079
<v Speaker 5>go to that. And you know, I think that you know,

1766
01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:39.319
<v Speaker 5>with these appearances that happened around you know, these training

1767
01:53:39.359 --> 01:53:44.680
<v Speaker 5>exercises of the Navy, it's either genuine extraterrestrial or other

1768
01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:47.640
<v Speaker 5>intelligences that are doing it in front of the people

1769
01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:51.319
<v Speaker 5>most likely to document this, you know, absent this problem

1770
01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:56.319
<v Speaker 5>of true will power to disclose, or it's the military

1771
01:53:56.439 --> 01:53:58.920
<v Speaker 5>just trying to stage something and slowly break us in

1772
01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:03.039
<v Speaker 5>with technology that they have. That's how I how I

1773
01:54:03.079 --> 01:54:03.399
<v Speaker 5>see it.

1774
01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:10.439
<v Speaker 1>There's there's also this strange kind of mainstream media aspect

1775
01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that I've noticed, and you know, we I have I

1776
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:19.479
<v Speaker 1>have friends that in this kind of space, in this

1777
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:22.760
<v Speaker 1>mainstream space. And I'm not talking bad about any of

1778
01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:26.199
<v Speaker 1>these guys. I love all these guys, but there's some

1779
01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:29.680
<v Speaker 1>strange things going on even in in our community, even

1780
01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:33.439
<v Speaker 1>in our space. I don't know if we've been infiltrated.

1781
01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say that, but there is some

1782
01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:41.399
<v Speaker 1>interesting things going on, especially when it comes to some

1783
01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of the bigger players in this. Like I'll mention Danny

1784
01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Sheehan because he's like one of the huge, you know,

1785
01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:54.920
<v Speaker 1>biggest players when it comes to mainstream UFO disclosure because

1786
01:54:55.039 --> 01:54:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you know he's the government lawyer. You know, he's the

1787
01:54:57.880 --> 01:54:59.960
<v Speaker 1>guy involved with this. And then they have all men

1788
01:55:00.079 --> 01:55:03.439
<v Speaker 1>to lou Alezondo. Those are the only two I'm gonna

1789
01:55:03.439 --> 01:55:05.680
<v Speaker 1>put out there right now because they're the big ones

1790
01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and we can we can talk about them because they

1791
01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I think they can handle it. I think they're they're

1792
01:55:09.600 --> 01:55:13.239
<v Speaker 1>big boys, but it's I just find it odd that

1793
01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:16.520
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, now these these two big players

1794
01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:20.560
<v Speaker 1>are involved with all the talk shows in the mainstream media.

1795
01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:26.359
<v Speaker 1>They're coming out with this information. And I I'd never

1796
01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>spoken with lul Alezondo. I'd love to have him on

1797
01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:34.439
<v Speaker 1>the show. I should, yes, I just I feel like

1798
01:55:35.159 --> 01:55:38.680
<v Speaker 1>there's some things that he knows that he's not disclosing.

1799
01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:44.680
<v Speaker 1>And I question, I question the involvement with with Danny

1800
01:55:44.720 --> 01:55:47.880
<v Speaker 1>sheehan and why all of a sudden, you know, they're

1801
01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:50.640
<v Speaker 1>just in the mainstream disclosing this. They seem to be

1802
01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:54.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of at the same time going along with the

1803
01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:57.439
<v Speaker 1>mainstream disclosure at the same time butting heads with it.

1804
01:55:57.880 --> 01:56:01.279
<v Speaker 1>And then we have this drama with Steve and it

1805
01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:05.479
<v Speaker 1>all seems way too dramatic and strange. I don't know

1806
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.479
<v Speaker 1>what it. I just can't put my finger on it.

1807
01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:10.279
<v Speaker 1>But something's off, something's weird. I don't know.

1808
01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:12.319
<v Speaker 4>You get that, yeah, I do.

1809
01:56:12.479 --> 01:56:16.119
<v Speaker 5>And I know that you interviewed Danny she hannat Laughlin.

1810
01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:17.640
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't know if you managed to have

1811
01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:19.840
<v Speaker 5>an offline chat with him about this, but.

1812
01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I would not much because he was, he was running around,

1813
01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:24.119
<v Speaker 1>but i'd had that little interview.

1814
01:56:24.159 --> 01:56:27.479
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, well, I think I think that, you know,

1815
01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:30.960
<v Speaker 5>I think these guys are they want to get this out,

1816
01:56:31.039 --> 01:56:33.479
<v Speaker 5>but they know that they can if they they can't

1817
01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:36.880
<v Speaker 5>go too far. There's probably too many consequences on their

1818
01:56:36.880 --> 01:56:39.680
<v Speaker 5>shoulders and their families. Who knows, We just don't know.

1819
01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:44.079
<v Speaker 5>I found it quite interesting that Danny Sheehan has now

1820
01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:49.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, formally distanced himself from Dr Stephen Guer after

1821
01:56:49.199 --> 01:56:51.560
<v Speaker 5>he saw a kind of what he says is in

1822
01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:57.399
<v Speaker 5>miscontextualization of his his feedback in the.

1823
01:56:57.159 --> 01:57:00.039
<v Speaker 1>A UFO soap opera drama or something, I don't know.

1824
01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:05.319
<v Speaker 5>Crazy yeah and so, and I have to say, you know,

1825
01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:07.920
<v Speaker 5>doctor Greer has done a great job, and he's done

1826
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:10.640
<v Speaker 5>a lot for this movement, but that you can't avoid

1827
01:57:10.720 --> 01:57:15.399
<v Speaker 5>some of the obvious issues with the narrative that he

1828
01:57:15.399 --> 01:57:17.680
<v Speaker 5>he comes out with at times in terms of, you know,

1829
01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:23.840
<v Speaker 5>abductions are purely industrial military complex phenomena, and even maligning

1830
01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:31.039
<v Speaker 5>some of the kind of let's say, bloodline aristocratic classes

1831
01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:34.119
<v Speaker 5>that it's not all black and white. Some of them, actually,

1832
01:57:34.359 --> 01:57:38.319
<v Speaker 5>I understand, do want disclosure because they're genuinely interested and

1833
01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:40.840
<v Speaker 5>they have the time and the money and the resources

1834
01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:42.520
<v Speaker 5>to actually look into this, and some of them have

1835
01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:45.840
<v Speaker 5>had experiences. So my issue with doctor Greer is that

1836
01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:48.079
<v Speaker 5>he's very black and white about this because I think,

1837
01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:51.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, he does want people not to be afraid,

1838
01:57:51.039 --> 01:57:53.840
<v Speaker 5>and that's that's a good thing. He's right, but you

1839
01:57:53.840 --> 01:57:57.920
<v Speaker 5>shouldn't lie about things that always represent Let's let's put

1840
01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:00.479
<v Speaker 5>it like that. I don't I don't want to miscaracterize

1841
01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:02.520
<v Speaker 5>him so that I think there's a lot of this

1842
01:58:04.479 --> 01:58:07.600
<v Speaker 5>tension that's happening at that kind of level. And there

1843
01:58:07.640 --> 01:58:11.159
<v Speaker 5>are certain actors who are trusted with the authorities the government,

1844
01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:13.600
<v Speaker 5>who are able to come out with certain things. But

1845
01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:17.439
<v Speaker 5>I think they're they're being given limited information and they

1846
01:58:17.439 --> 01:58:21.520
<v Speaker 5>know that they can't overstep their their remit and it's

1847
01:58:21.520 --> 01:58:24.600
<v Speaker 5>it's it's unfortunate there is that, you know what, Chris,

1848
01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:28.439
<v Speaker 5>we're talking about this, you know, hidden hidden technology.

1849
01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:30.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1850
01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:32.479
<v Speaker 5>There's something that tells me. On page five of this

1851
01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:36.199
<v Speaker 5>uh this report, there's a little section at the bottom

1852
01:58:36.359 --> 01:58:40.600
<v Speaker 5>of page five that talks about within the context of

1853
01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:44.880
<v Speaker 5>UAP probably lacking a single explanation, which is pretty obvious.

1854
01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:48.279
<v Speaker 5>And then when it goes into this kind of United

1855
01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:52.439
<v Speaker 5>States government or industry developmental programs. It says that some

1856
01:58:52.760 --> 01:58:59.039
<v Speaker 5>UAPs or their observations could be attributable to developments and

1857
01:58:59.079 --> 01:59:03.199
<v Speaker 5>classified proms by US entities, but it doesn't say the

1858
01:59:03.279 --> 01:59:08.600
<v Speaker 5>US government, says US entities, and we were unable to confirm, however,

1859
01:59:08.920 --> 01:59:12.560
<v Speaker 5>that these systems accounted for any of the UAP reports

1860
01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:18.640
<v Speaker 5>we collected. So it's saying this may not be United

1861
01:59:18.640 --> 01:59:22.840
<v Speaker 5>States government, and they may be signaling through this one tiny,

1862
01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:26.560
<v Speaker 5>little three line paragraph that there's a problem because I

1863
01:59:27.279 --> 01:59:31.920
<v Speaker 5>think that the government deliberately that for reasons of social

1864
01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:37.399
<v Speaker 5>context and money making and privatizing the technology, they got

1865
01:59:37.399 --> 01:59:40.119
<v Speaker 5>it out of the government within the government and they

1866
01:59:40.119 --> 01:59:42.960
<v Speaker 5>put it into the you know, the industrial military complex,

1867
01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:46.279
<v Speaker 5>knowing that it's off the books and it's unaccounted for.

1868
01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:51.600
<v Speaker 5>But certain, you know, fortunate people within the administration or

1869
01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:56.239
<v Speaker 5>the machinery have access to both worlds. And that's why,

1870
01:59:56.319 --> 01:59:58.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, there are presidents that got told that they

1871
01:59:58.720 --> 02:00:01.279
<v Speaker 5>haven't they don't have a need to know a basis

1872
02:00:01.359 --> 02:00:05.479
<v Speaker 5>on you know, seeking information from this. I'm thinking, you know,

1873
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<v Speaker 5>Bill Clinton and his head of star chief of staff,

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<v Speaker 5>for example, and also Jimmy Carter, President, Jimmy Carter, who

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<v Speaker 5>was just put to one side by the then head

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<v Speaker 5>of the CIA, George Bush Senior Herbert Walker. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think that this report is very subtly signaling that we've

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<v Speaker 5>got a problem that's out of control. It's in the

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<v Speaker 5>private hands. We may or may not have created that

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<v Speaker 5>problem ourselves, and it's but it's it's too subtle. But

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna get that energy when I read it. I

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<v Speaker 5>think they're trying to tell us, but they can't say.

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<v Speaker 5>It mentions this, you know, foreign potential, foreign government or

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<v Speaker 5>adversary with a breakthrough aerospace technology, but it doesn't say who.

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<v Speaker 4>It won't name Russia or China or India. So yeah, very.

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<v Speaker 5>Very very limited in help and scope. Does talk about

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that they're going to start using AI to

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<v Speaker 5>try to learn about the phenomena that's new to the Pentagon.

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<v Speaker 5>Apparently because now the ombudsman stepped in and as soon

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<v Speaker 5>as this report came out, it was like a pantomime,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, theater. And then suddenly the Undersecretary of Defense

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<v Speaker 5>writes a letter to the Department of Defense.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying, what's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>We need to organize, you know, as if nobody knew

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<v Speaker 5>about this. It's it's it's funny. I mean, the US

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<v Speaker 5>kind of approach is so I have to say, it's

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<v Speaker 5>so immature, yea to the brainy, reasonable cerebral explanations that

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<v Speaker 5>this military think tank of generals and scientists have come

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<v Speaker 5>up with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately, I think it's because you know, they they

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<v Speaker 1>believe that Americans are that stupid that we'll just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go along with it. Some of us are, but not

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<v Speaker 1>all of us.

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<v Speaker 5>No common Chris possibly say that as a British Mauritian.

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<v Speaker 1>National understand I understand.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I love this, you know, just reading the two

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<v Speaker 5>reports side by side, and you know, the US is

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<v Speaker 5>really messed up. I mean, it was a brilliant opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>to at least put something in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think anything else is going to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of it? I mean public reaction or discussed is enough

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<v Speaker 1>for them to kind of put out more.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, I mean that there has been this media

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<v Speaker 5>circus predictably around the Pentagon report, and yet there was

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<v Speaker 5>nothing with the French one, which was far more impressive.

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<v Speaker 5>But what I'm hoping, although I'm not encouraging anyone to

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<v Speaker 5>break the law obviously is to see the elite version

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<v Speaker 5>of this come out. And you know, there's some saying

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<v Speaker 5>that it's seventy pages in length in this classified version,

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<v Speaker 5>and others say, actually four hundred pages when you include

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<v Speaker 5>the appendices.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and it hasn't happened yet.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm waiting for a leak and then hopefully from that,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it's a staged one that's deliberately done by the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the Pentagon or not. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 5>that will help. But again, I think even that the

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<v Speaker 5>Senators are not going to be read into the true,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the dirty truth of how of how this

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<v Speaker 5>went into government, you know, outside of the constitutional machinery

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<v Speaker 5>that Danny sheehan talks about, and into these special access

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<v Speaker 5>projects that as Richard Dolan, the historian on UFOs terms

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<v Speaker 5>a runaway civilization because they've been developing this stuff for

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<v Speaker 5>decades and we've even got the former head of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>locky skunk Works, Ben rich I believe, in an alumnus

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<v Speaker 5>event saying we've we have the technology to take et

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<v Speaker 5>back to the stars and we're ten thousand years ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, how can you ignore all these kind of things?

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<v Speaker 1>And you can't.

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<v Speaker 5>But just doing this and saying no, most of the

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<v Speaker 5>cases that we're reating from twenty seventeen, twenty to twenty one,

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, the quality of the information, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, you have to be careful because

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of the information is just disinformation put

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<v Speaker 1>out there to confuse people and not keep us on

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<v Speaker 1>the right track. So we have to be discerning, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with this information.

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<v Speaker 5>True, But that's the thing I mean, I believe that

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<v Speaker 5>regardless of the fact that we're very we're still a

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<v Speaker 5>juvenile species, as we can tell from this UAP report

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<v Speaker 5>from Pentagon. We need to know the truth whether or

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<v Speaker 5>not we can handle it. And you know, something I

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<v Speaker 5>spoke about recently, Chris, was the fact that I think

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<v Speaker 5>that we are going to be allowed to develop kind

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<v Speaker 5>of let's call it halfway house technology that allows us

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<v Speaker 5>to travel to the stars and space travel and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>ma easingly fast travel here and on planet Earth. But

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<v Speaker 5>it won't be fully fledged kind of anti gravity you know,

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<v Speaker 5>time space manipulating technology. It's more likely to be a

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<v Speaker 5>super conducting material that allows this levitational effect and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>lack of resistance to happen. And there was a very

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<v Speaker 5>interesting explanation about this by mister x On who described

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<v Speaker 5>the Admiral Wilson leaks, and he talks about how, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>electrons are being manipulated to work in pairs, and this

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<v Speaker 5>is how this levitational technology is working within the you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the Special Access Black Project. Well it's not fully fledged

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<v Speaker 5>anti grav according to him. So even maybe they haven't

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<v Speaker 5>even got that far, but they're still you know, millennia

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<v Speaker 5>ahead even with that. Yeah, and let's be honest, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think et would give us an equivalent technology to

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<v Speaker 5>what they have.

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<v Speaker 1>No, probably not like you. Oh no, no, I would

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, and I always put it this way,

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<v Speaker 1>And if I was a highly advanced species and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just cruising by the planet and we do a little

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<v Speaker 1>close up look as to what's going on in there,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, I don't even think I want to

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<v Speaker 1>stop by there. You know, I'm going to keep cruising

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<v Speaker 1>along the universe. But you know, maybe maybe they have

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<v Speaker 1>some interest, to some vested interest in us because of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe maybe we are a multi multi species experiment that

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<v Speaker 5>they do come and they go. You know, the times

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<v Speaker 5>that they were here documented in art form and folkloric

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<v Speaker 5>kind of transmission. Now you said they and then they

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<v Speaker 5>come back and what are the kids up to?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you said experiment, And that's that's kind of one

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<v Speaker 1>of the magic words for me is trying to understand

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<v Speaker 1>all this because it's one of the huge possibilities for

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<v Speaker 1>me lately. You know, either an experiment or we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>choosing to incarnate on this existence, this planet because it

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<v Speaker 1>was put here as some kind of learning or training experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of battling between the two. Is this a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual experience or are we on a prison planet experiment?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know. I could, yes, that would

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<v Speaker 1>that would be great, that that'd be a great answer

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that it would. It would explain everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'd be a horrible answer because it's terrifying, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, it's it's fascinating to to take in

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<v Speaker 1>all these possibilities.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>To close out tonight, what do you think? Because it's

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<v Speaker 1>all connected. All my past recent guests for the past

2002
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<v Speaker 1>couple of years have been coming together to this culmination

2003
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<v Speaker 1>of trying to compare notes with ufology, paranormal, metaphysical, spiritual consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>everything that I cover, because it's all connected. In some way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just what is this connection? How is it all connected?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, just trying to make sense of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think maybe give us a little

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of insight?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, I mean, as you know from our discussions and

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<v Speaker 5>my presentation in Laughlin, I absolutely think this is a

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<v Speaker 5>spiritual issue that's been played out in a multi dimensional

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<v Speaker 5>and physical in our OWM playing field. So to deny

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<v Speaker 5>connect you know, connection and the spiritual dimension is to

2015
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<v Speaker 5>completely miss the point. And I totally agree with you, Chris.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that we are now we desperately need and

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<v Speaker 5>we are need to move away from this kind of

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02:08:57.960 --> 02:09:05.399
<v Speaker 5>observational euthology, and it's only so helpful. So you know

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<v Speaker 5>it is real.

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<v Speaker 4>We know it's real.

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<v Speaker 5>Even both of these reports say it's physically real. They

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02:09:10.039 --> 02:09:14.119
<v Speaker 5>mirror each other in that respect. I think there is

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02:09:14.199 --> 02:09:19.640
<v Speaker 5>absolutely a consciousness phenomena happening that links between us and

2024
02:09:19.680 --> 02:09:24.560
<v Speaker 5>the phenomena, and we are manifesting it, and that it's

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<v Speaker 5>also codependent on us. There's an element of trickery and

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<v Speaker 5>elusiveness that's deliberate so that we learn more about ourselves.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's definitely across let's call them the dimensions.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm not saying that there has to be and

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<v Speaker 5>science in fact says the dimensions don't need to be infinite.

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<v Speaker 5>It only needs to be a limited number, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And maybe maybe, like the French Report talks about this

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<v Speaker 5>kind of paranormal or other worldly realities or powers that

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<v Speaker 5>may linking to this, we can call them divine laws.

2034
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<v Speaker 5>Maybe there's this kind of divine firewall or system of

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<v Speaker 5>intelligence that is operating all forms of reality, including the

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<v Speaker 5>back end of you know, the third dimension or the

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<v Speaker 5>four dimensions that we have here when you include time

2038
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<v Speaker 5>all together. And maybe that as children, our senses have

2039
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<v Speaker 5>been atrophied, are being cut back because of the way

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<v Speaker 5>that we're socialized and the social conditioning that occurs. And

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<v Speaker 5>maybe these are the enemies of consciousness and conscience. So

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<v Speaker 5>there's a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what our next show is going to be about, JP.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be We're gonna go deep next time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'll go deep. We'll go deep.

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<v Speaker 5>I always do when we chat, But but I want

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<v Speaker 5>to I would say this though, Chris, despite all this technology,

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<v Speaker 5>implication and multiple different species, they're not separate from us.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not inferior to us, but they're not superior to

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<v Speaker 5>us either. You know, everything has its divine place in

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<v Speaker 5>my view, and I think that you know that if

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<v Speaker 5>there are you know, in some of the cases, we're

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<v Speaker 5>looking at AI being sort of hunting down other terrestrial

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<v Speaker 5>species that created it because they're so you know, super intelligent,

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<v Speaker 5>but it hasn't got the let's call it, the divine

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<v Speaker 5>spark that we have as spiritual beings as opposed to

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<v Speaker 5>pure AI. I mean, this is in the Amichitsia cases

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<v Speaker 5>of the sixties to the eighties that occurred across Italy

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<v Speaker 5>and Europe, and this is in my view, the largest

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<v Speaker 5>kind of mass citing cases that have been documented ever.

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<v Speaker 5>And the beings have been interacting with you know, university professors,

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<v Speaker 5>that kind of thing, and they're literally saying, we're fleeing

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<v Speaker 5>a form of AI that we created that wants to

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<v Speaker 5>destroy us because we have.

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<v Speaker 4>What it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 5>So the cases tell us there's a spiritual dimension within

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<v Speaker 5>within within us and within them, so that may make

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<v Speaker 5>us equals. I don't think they're you know, and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think that you know, we can look at it

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<v Speaker 5>simply from human notions of good and bad and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>allies and adversaries. I think it's far more sophisticated. I think,

2072
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<v Speaker 5>like in the cases of abductions, which are absolutely a

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<v Speaker 5>real phenomenon and are not categorically not simply military from

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<v Speaker 5>the cases and you know the work of professor and

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<v Speaker 5>doctor John Mack of Harvard who studied this and covered

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<v Speaker 5>some amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Cases.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean he even went on to Oprah Winfrey with

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<v Speaker 5>one of his contactees, who had the guts to go

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<v Speaker 5>out and do that back in the nineties, I believe

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<v Speaker 5>what early two thousands. So it does go into a

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<v Speaker 5>spiritual dimension. It goes into questions of ultimate creation and

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<v Speaker 5>the creator. Uh, it goes into a management system of

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<v Speaker 5>reality or realities of forces and beings and intelligences that

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<v Speaker 5>inhabit these worlds or dimensions, densities, whatever we want to

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<v Speaker 5>call them. And you know, if there is this unique

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<v Speaker 5>and multiple intelligence or creator, are we just the product

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<v Speaker 5>of a dream or a thought of this uh, this

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<v Speaker 5>divine being that's that's you know, creating all these these

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<v Speaker 5>dramatic realities. And you know, who are the messengers that

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<v Speaker 5>go between these worlds? Is that what we're seeing?

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<v Speaker 4>Or are we? You know, are we?

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<v Speaker 5>Are we creating it ourselves, like the Jungin kind of

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<v Speaker 5>construct with consciousness and are we are we seeing these

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<v Speaker 5>beings come to us as a as a product of

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<v Speaker 5>the true nature of reality in this reality in in

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<v Speaker 5>in that it's it's a feedback of some kind. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>who is watching over us? And can we with us?

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<v Speaker 5>And what watches over them and communes with them or

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<v Speaker 5>observes them, So you know, it's that kind of who

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<v Speaker 5>watches the watches When we talk about dimensions, are they

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<v Speaker 5>are they immediate or are they intermediate? Are there stages

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<v Speaker 5>of reality? And maybe we're at the back end in

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<v Speaker 5>this kind of denser duality of four dimensions, and maybe

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<v Speaker 5>that everything visible is the proportional measure of the invisible.

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<v Speaker 5>Like we started out this conversation talking about you know

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that many people that have interactions and experiences

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<v Speaker 5>are having changes brought around their their physiology or their

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<v Speaker 5>their psychology or their psyche. So yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 5>you know, what is invisible and what is visible are

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<v Speaker 5>equally important. We need to try and understand it and

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<v Speaker 5>hopefully over time we can. So yeah, there are huge

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<v Speaker 5>questions that come out of this subject, and it all

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<v Speaker 5>starts with a silly Pentagon Report and a much more

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<v Speaker 5>enlightened report from France in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's awesome, man. Like I said, I had never

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<v Speaker 1>even known that report existed. I'm glad you came across

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<v Speaker 1>it and got to present it to everybody. So now

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<v Speaker 1>everyone knows about this. It's great.

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<v Speaker 4>You're most welcome.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I mean, I'm lucky because I speak and understand,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, I'm French educated. I practiced English and

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<v Speaker 5>French law in Mauritius, So you know, I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>the thing. It's the language in the West. In the States,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not as accessible obviously because it's in a foreign language.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's so well written, Chris, I know, I keep

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<v Speaker 5>saying it, but it's one hundred and sixteen pages. For

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<v Speaker 5>God's sake, it's you know, it's taken them three years

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<v Speaker 5>to make not like this rubbish that's come out of

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<v Speaker 5>the Pentagon six pages effectively or on quite version.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you could send me a link to that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will put a link to it in the descriptions,

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<v Speaker 1>so if the audience wants to thumb through it, they

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<v Speaker 1>can take a look at that. Definitely awesome, great JP,

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<v Speaker 1>that was fantastic information as usual, And like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to go really deep next time. What

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying there towards the end, I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of my audience may have their brains melting out

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<v Speaker 1>of their ears a little bit because it might have

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<v Speaker 1>their minds blown.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>But Yeah, awesome the stuff JP, and we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to talk again soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'd love to you, Chris. Always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 5>Congratulations on the huge amount of material you're putting out.

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<v Speaker 5>And one thing I want to say is that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>what I appreciate is that you're putting out all these

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<v Speaker 5>different aspects and information that some will just say it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 5>But the point is is it because we're going into

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<v Speaker 5>these deeper, invisible and abstract aspects to the phenomena, we

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<v Speaker 5>can't dismiss anything and it has to be put out there,

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<v Speaker 5>and we need to be open to the information and

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<v Speaker 5>not just sort of shut it down. And when you

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<v Speaker 5>have you know, the military saying it's it's possibly paranormal

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<v Speaker 5>or greater forces, then you know we should start listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, get especially if it's not our if it's not

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<v Speaker 1>our military, we might want to listen a little bit more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well not the American military at least, right, Uncle Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Sam? Okay, Well yeah, JP, that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>great stuff. And like I said, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>again soon and thank you for sharing that with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Most welcome, Chris, take care of my.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend awesome and until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.

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