Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2: You know, Nicole, what's amazing about some of these athletes,
Speaker 2: particularly the women athletes. They maintain from Olympiad to Olympiad.
Speaker 2: Such dominance, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: It is. I could not ever do anything that Katie
Speaker 3: Ladeci does. I love watching her in the pool. Did
Speaker 3: you see I think it was last night or earlier
Speaker 3: today where she was a whole length ahead of everybody else. Like,
Speaker 3: where do you get the energy for that?
Speaker 2: I guess you'd practice a lot, I should.
Speaker 3: Hope, So I think I'll maybe pass on that, but
Speaker 3: I like watching her.
Speaker 2: I think I'm a little old for this. Oh come on, thanks,
Speaker 2: all right, everybody, welcome on in. It's a nice hour
Speaker 2: with Dan Ray. I am off at a big trip
Speaker 2: later this week to Italy, so uh, I'm gonna visit
Speaker 2: my last show for about a week and a half.
Speaker 2: Fear not, fear not. I'll be back on August the
Speaker 2: twelfth with all sorts of tales from Rome and the
Speaker 2: Mouthea Coast. But put that aside because we have more
Speaker 2: important things to talk about this hour. For very important things,
Speaker 2: We're going to start off with the State Treasurer and
Speaker 2: Receiver General of the Comwealth of Massachusetts, Deborah Goldberg, also
Speaker 2: the chair of the Massachusetts State Lottery Commission, Adam Treasurer.
Speaker 2: How are you tonight?
Speaker 4: How are you Dan?
Speaker 2: I'm doing just great.
Speaker 4: I think you would do great in the swimming competition,
Speaker 4: or maybe you could do those uneven parallel bars.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, the pummeled horse or whatever it is
Speaker 2: that looks like my Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I certainly could get Stephen in from Worcester to
Speaker 4: give you a lesson.
Speaker 2: Yes, I guess we could. I guess we could. That's
Speaker 2: the guy that they say looks like Clark Kent. He
Speaker 2: looks like Clark Kent, and he's like a superman. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that these athletes maintained themselves from Olympiad
Speaker 2: to OLYMPIAD to Olympiad, which is which is not easy
Speaker 2: as you grow older every four years, as you and
Speaker 2: I have found out in our lives.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm I'm still running in the Olympics. It's just
Speaker 4: the Massachusetts ones.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, the Massachusetts Lottery Olympics have done very well.
Speaker 2: And I guess that you have a new revenue stream
Speaker 2: if you will. Here we're going to get online lottery
Speaker 2: sales here in the com Wealth of Massachusetts. What's going
Speaker 2: on with that?
Speaker 5: Well, this on.
Speaker 4: The governors, as you know, signed the state budget and
Speaker 4: an included language legalizing online lottery sales for Massachusetts. But candidly,
Speaker 4: we're not even close to the first. Every state around
Speaker 4: us already had online lottery sales, and we were actually
Speaker 4: behind the curve because you know, you've got sports betting online,
Speaker 4: you've got daily fantasy sports, you've got all sorts of things,
Speaker 4: and you know, we we're not for profit business. We
Speaker 4: are profit goes to the people of Massachusetts for the
Speaker 4: kind of news that they have, and so this puts
Speaker 4: us on a level playing field and it'll it'll take
Speaker 4: a little while to get it up and running. But
Speaker 4: now after quite a number of years of discussions about this,
Speaker 4: we are now on our way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, minus stadius are going to take about sixteen months,
Speaker 2: so we're not talking about something that's going to be
Speaker 2: available next week or even next month.
Speaker 4: Well, but in you know, given the complexities of I mean,
Speaker 4: it isn't you just don't take a photo of a
Speaker 4: of a mass State lottery ticket and then post it online.
Speaker 4: This has an enormous amount of technology behind it. And
Speaker 4: the good news is we won't be inventing the wheel. However,
Speaker 4: we have. We really want to go through a competitive
Speaker 4: process and make sure that we get the best deal
Speaker 4: for the commonwealth. And you know me, so, you know
Speaker 4: I always apply all of my business sense to things,
Speaker 4: and so it'll be a process where we do rfrs
Speaker 4: and RFIs and then RFPs and we will be looking
Speaker 4: for the best deal for the commonwealth. But you know,
Speaker 4: the Mass State lotteries profit margin is teeny the cost
Speaker 4: of us running it for a business of that size
Speaker 4: is very small, and over a billion dollars at this
Speaker 4: time goes out to every local community, distributed to them
Speaker 4: all over the state. That was the idea behind it,
Speaker 4: and that's what we've continued to do for over fifty years.
Speaker 2: Stayed true and predecessors. So explain to me how this works.
Speaker 2: When you hear about online lottery, that means I don't
Speaker 2: have to go down to my corner store to buy
Speaker 2: my lottery tickets. I can buy them online.
Speaker 4: Correct, Well, actually, online lottery has its own set of
Speaker 4: games and then you can buy some other games online.
Speaker 4: But there are also courier services. Now Jack Pocket, I
Speaker 4: believe is one of them. I think I'm getting the
Speaker 4: name correct, where you could not they are literally a
Speaker 4: customer of the lotteries. But yes, in order to play
Speaker 4: lot a lottery game, a mass state lottery game, you
Speaker 4: will not have to go down to your corner store.
Speaker 4: Although I'm putting my retailer cap on, I am hoping
Speaker 4: that there will be all sorts of new reasons for
Speaker 4: you to go down to your local retail store because
Speaker 4: we will be doing in our online operation promotions that
Speaker 4: you will not be able to resist, and in order
Speaker 4: to help our retail partners and also you as a customer.
Speaker 2: Okay, so come back if you could. The states that
Speaker 2: have surrounded us, can Massachusetts residents currently go online? And
Speaker 2: yes they can, so they can, they can. So so
Speaker 2: we have people probably purchase No, I.
Speaker 4: Don't play the lottery.
Speaker 2: No, No, you can't write I think you're probably illegal
Speaker 2: for you to do that. I know, and I know
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't. I got to be honest with that.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big lottery guy either.
Speaker 4: I hate to do well, maybe we can turn.
Speaker 2: You into lot No, I get it. Well, I'm so
Speaker 2: so what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying is you know, the online lottery, and you know,
Speaker 4: I want to thank both the government, you know, the governor,
Speaker 4: the House, you know, Speaker Mariano and Center President Karen
Speaker 4: Spilk of the Joint Ways and Means Committee because they
Speaker 4: really took a thoughtful approach towards this. You can buy
Speaker 4: a lottery ticket in a store when you're eighteen years old. However,
Speaker 4: you cannot go online unless you're twenty one, and you
Speaker 4: have to verify that, okay, and you you there's all
Speaker 4: sorts of programs that will be built into the system.
Speaker 4: What we work with, all sorts of gam you know,
Speaker 4: gambling addiction, sure groups that have helped develop those, and
Speaker 4: so we will be instituting all of those. And what's
Speaker 4: really interesting and new about the online lottery is it's
Speaker 4: going to be paying for critical childcare services, which have
Speaker 4: become more and more desperately needed across the state. I
Speaker 4: hear from everyone how difficult it is to find childcare,
Speaker 4: how expensive it is to find childcare, and the online
Speaker 4: lottery revenues will be dedicated to childcare services.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me come back and just trying to understand
Speaker 2: a couple of questions and if I'm throwing questions at
Speaker 2: you that you don't have off the tip of your tongue.
Speaker 2: We can do this again in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: What I'm wondering is if Massachusetts residents are currently able
Speaker 2: to play online in other states. There's no For example,
Speaker 2: I know that you can from Massage. Well before Massachusetts
Speaker 2: legalized sports betting, you have to physically go to New
Speaker 2: Hampshire or wherever to betom football games. So he we're
Speaker 2: actually hemorrhaging some money right now to other states. Do
Speaker 2: we have any idea how much line money is going
Speaker 2: out of state?
Speaker 4: We don't know because the other state lotteries, who are
Speaker 4: delighted deal the number one lottery in the country customers
Speaker 4: just drool and tease us when we were losing our customers.
Speaker 6: You have to.
Speaker 4: Play within state borders online and although if you were
Speaker 4: to go to try to go sign I mean, I've
Speaker 4: been told that people have done practice play in the
Speaker 4: New Hampshire Lottery, just testing it out that they were
Speaker 4: they were close to the New Hampshire border and they
Speaker 4: would just go across, you know, into Salem, and then
Speaker 4: would play.
Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, So the premise of my the premise
Speaker 2: of my question is faulty because we're not hemorrhaging. People
Speaker 2: might be driving to New Hampshire.
Speaker 4: Or drive out the same in the same way. You
Speaker 4: know about the you know, the competition on the state
Speaker 4: liquor stores.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely okay. Now I get that. So okay. So
Speaker 2: we're we are basically taking care of business here in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and it's going to take maybe a year, maybe sixteen months,
Speaker 2: but you'll get it up and running and people will
Speaker 2: be able to do what they have to do. And
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's a great way to raise
Speaker 2: revenue because it's all voluntary. Nobody is doing it unless
Speaker 2: they want the fun and the competition. I sometimes buy
Speaker 2: a lottery ticket when there's like a five you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred five billion, one hundred five million dollar jackpot
Speaker 2: or something, as I figure, if I'm going to hit
Speaker 2: it big, if you're going to hit it sometime, I
Speaker 2: might as well hit it and hit it big. So far,
Speaker 2: it hasn't worked. That strategy has not worked matter, but I.
Speaker 4: I've met some of the people who it has worked for.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll tell you, I often want to I could
Speaker 2: talk to you about this all night. So I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do this, but I've often wondered if any
Speaker 2: of the lotteries, and I would hope Massachusetts might offer
Speaker 2: some counseling to these folks who all of a sudden
Speaker 2: find themselves winning one of these humongous paid Well.
Speaker 4: It's very interesting you should say that, because although now
Speaker 4: that number that has been exceeded on the power Ball.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when we had the woman from Chickapee
Speaker 4: who won the seven hundred and fifty seven million, and
Speaker 4: she and her sisters came to the to the offices
Speaker 4: that day, and one of the things I discussed with
Speaker 4: them was financial education and counseling, and also setting up
Speaker 4: some trusts and getting a good lawyer and that kind
Speaker 4: of thing. And I have seen that happened in the
Speaker 4: number of cases. Obviously, you can't force someone to do that,
Speaker 4: but I I have to even tell you that. Do
Speaker 4: you remember the the COVID vaccine lottery that went on
Speaker 4: for a couple draws, No, I don't. It was it
Speaker 4: was supported by the Got Got you know, Charlie Baker
Speaker 4: at the time and others. And I met a couple
Speaker 4: of the people who won, uh and they one of
Speaker 4: them was a young lady from Lynn and that money
Speaker 4: was going right towards her education. And another one was
Speaker 4: someone who had been hard working for his whole career
Speaker 4: and it was going to his family.
Speaker 2: So those are the stories.
Speaker 4: I hear, an awful lot of good stories.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to schedule you again for some
Speaker 2: more good stories because I have to make way for
Speaker 2: another guest. I just so enjoyed talking with you. I
Speaker 2: hope you.
Speaker 4: I always enjoy talking to you too, and I always
Speaker 4: enjoy it when we bump into each other. Oh, because
Speaker 4: people were on the air. Well, no, but both Dan
Speaker 4: and I love animals.
Speaker 2: Zoo New England, that's what that's yeah. Uh in June,
Speaker 2: I was feeding, I was feeding by my with my
Speaker 2: he hands led us to giraffes. Was unbelievable, just really,
Speaker 2: you know, just a really great, great experience with all
Speaker 2: the folks at zun New England. Madam Treasure, I got
Speaker 2: a screwed here.
Speaker 4: We will talk to the late to Italy.
Speaker 2: I certainly will try my best. I will toast you
Speaker 2: with at least one glass of wine.
Speaker 4: Okay, alrighty, take good care, thanks very.
Speaker 2: Much, the same Treasure, Calmwealth of Massachusetts back Olbert. Bye bye, Den.
Speaker 2: We'll be back and we're going to talk about a
Speaker 2: subject that is probably not a really fun subject, and
Speaker 2: that is what is listeria? With doctor Shira Doron of
Speaker 2: the tough SMET and she's the Chief Infection Control Officer
Speaker 2: for Tough's Medicine and hospital Epidemiologists at the Tofts Medical Center.
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on wb Z the news radio.
Speaker 2: We have heard a lot in the last couple of
Speaker 2: days about listeria with us is doctor Shiwo Derne, doctor Drone,
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Nightside, Thanks for being available. What the
Speaker 2: heck is listeria? How serious is this and what should
Speaker 2: people be looking out for? We're talking about a product
Speaker 2: boy's head, that's the delicatest and meat that I always
Speaker 2: look for when l out to buy any form of
Speaker 2: deli meat from my family. How concerned should I be?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Listeria is a bacterial infection and it can contaminate foods.
Speaker 7: Every year in the United States that we see about
Speaker 7: sixteen hundred listeria and about two hundred and six deaths.
Speaker 7: This current outbreak that's associated with the bores head liver
Speaker 7: Worth specifically has made about thirty has made thirty four
Speaker 7: people sick, and there have been two deaths and the
Speaker 7: illnesses have been found in thirteen states.
Speaker 2: WHOA, So you don't have to worry about I've heard
Speaker 2: that some of the delicatessens have you know, cleaned thoroughly
Speaker 2: their delic cases. So this listeria was only with one
Speaker 2: meat product. There was no danger of it jumping from
Speaker 2: you know, from that to Turkey or to ham or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there is some danger. So you know,
Speaker 7: when when we find cases of listeria, we immediately notified
Speaker 7: public health authorities, and so our health authorities jumped into
Speaker 7: action and they do an investigation, and what they found
Speaker 7: was a link between these particular cases and the consumption
Speaker 7: of liver Worst and they actually you know, tested the
Speaker 7: liver Worst from boar's head and from the shelves as well,
Speaker 7: and they found that it was contaminated. And so what
Speaker 7: Borshead has announced is that out of an abundance of caution,
Speaker 7: we know that word well from activities, they recalled everything
Speaker 7: that they make in that plant because you know, the
Speaker 7: equipment itself can become contaminated and then it can contaminate
Speaker 7: other products. And they then also asked the grocery stores
Speaker 7: and delis to remove all of the boor's head products
Speaker 7: that they had UH and in many cases they also
Speaker 7: you know, threw out anything else that they had in
Speaker 7: those cases and that have been used you know, on
Speaker 7: those same machines and you know, re placers basically in
Speaker 7: the delis UH and did a deep clean, which is
Speaker 7: pretty easy to do. Pretty much any disinfectant will kill listeria.
Speaker 2: So I don't know much about listeria, and I understand
Speaker 2: what a bacteria is, but how frequent are these outbreaks?
Speaker 2: If you if you can tell me, and where did
Speaker 2: this emanate from? I mean, we've had all these questions
Speaker 2: about where's where's the avian flew from, and where's this
Speaker 2: and where did COVID come from? Do we know where
Speaker 2: real lysteria comes from?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: That you know. The deli meats are particularly susceptible because
Speaker 7: of the way multiple sources of meat are handled kind
Speaker 7: of at the same time. If you think about liver
Speaker 7: worth in particular, it can be from multiple animals at
Speaker 7: the same time, and there's you know, it's it can
Speaker 7: be easy to get contaminated from often from animals, feces,
Speaker 7: from manure, from soil that has bacteria in it, and
Speaker 7: so you know, for a long time now, pregnant women
Speaker 7: have been advised not to eat Deli meat unless you
Speaker 7: cook that Deli meat to over one hundred and sixty
Speaker 7: five degrees or steaming hot. Anything that you cook to
Speaker 7: steaming hot, you've eliminated or you've killed the listeria. So
Speaker 7: that's a safe way to eat Delli meat if you
Speaker 7: are high risk for a listeria and the high risk
Speaker 7: categories are pregnant women, people who are over sixty five,
Speaker 7: and people with compromised immune systems. But I feel pretty confident,
Speaker 7: although these types of recalls can sometimes expand, but now
Speaker 7: that Borshead has closed their entire plant, I feel pretty
Speaker 7: confident that we should not be seeing any new product
Speaker 7: get into the supply gain. The important thing now is
Speaker 7: for people to eliminate it from their own refrigerators.
Speaker 2: Is it just one one plant that we're talking about here,
Speaker 2: or is it just Yeah, I assume boys Head has
Speaker 2: more than what it's a huge company.
Speaker 7: Yes, right, yeah, they traced it to this one plant
Speaker 7: in Maryland. You know, again, sometimes these recalls do expand,
Speaker 7: and they've already expanded to every product in that plant.
Speaker 7: But I feel pretty confident that we've got a handle
Speaker 7: on it from what the CC has reported at this time.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You You're a great interview for
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of reasons, but the clarity with which
Speaker 2: you explain things is is fabulous. So I just want
Speaker 2: to thank you. Thank you Drone, who we've had on
Speaker 2: this show many times, and I look forward to having
Speaker 2: her with us many times in the future. Thanks so much, doctor.
Speaker 2: I have a great night. When we get back, right
Speaker 2: after the news, we're going to talk with Boston Globe
Speaker 2: columnist Emily Sweeney. I love Emily. She is so funny,
Speaker 2: and she has a new feature that features I guess
Speaker 2: it's called oddball stories. I've never heard of even ball stories,
Speaker 2: but oddball stories called blater tales, blatter as in police
Speaker 2: blatter or ink blater, blottered tales. She'll explain on the
Speaker 2: Other side of the News at the bottom of the
Speaker 2: hour on w BZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure all of us read the Boston Globe
Speaker 2: for different things. I know, I love the sports page
Speaker 2: on the Boston Globe, but I'm looking forward to a
Speaker 2: new section that's coming out called blater Tales with my
Speaker 2: friend columnist Emily Sweeney. Emily, I'm guessing that you came
Speaker 2: up with this idea of blater Tales.
Speaker 5: I can't say credit for that. Yeah, it was definitely
Speaker 5: a team effort at the Globe, a bunch of people,
Speaker 5: and I believe Doug Most Actually it was years ago
Speaker 5: when he was there. He was one of the folks
Speaker 5: who I know, do Yes, I.
Speaker 2: Did that guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so long?
Speaker 2: How long has bladder Tale has been running?
Speaker 5: Gosh, it's been over a decade now. And it's funny
Speaker 5: because I get a lot of emails every week from people,
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of folks they know to
Speaker 5: look for it, you know what I mean. It comes
Speaker 5: out every Sunday in the Metro section of the paper,
Speaker 5: and yeah, there's a there's a loyal readership, and you know,
Speaker 5: there's this weird it's just crazy what police and fire
Speaker 5: departments deal with every week on a regular basis.
Speaker 6: Just a couple.
Speaker 2: Strange recent ones that you've come up to. Because I
Speaker 2: know how you love animals.
Speaker 8: Uh oh yeah, uh and uh, I got one I
Speaker 8: want to ask you about here, but but give me,
Speaker 8: give me one that did you like, and then I'm
Speaker 8: going to ask you about one that I have.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, okay, yeah, sure?
Speaker 5: So I mean one recent one, uh, an exotic bird
Speaker 5: escaped from its home uh in Milford, mass And you know,
Speaker 5: the owners were looking for it, posting on Facebook and everything,
Speaker 5: and it turned The bird turned up and rent them.
Speaker 5: The owners told, you know, through social media and working
Speaker 5: with animal control offices, they got the word up. The
Speaker 5: bird was named Thor, and he liked the song, you know,
Speaker 5: the song tequila.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, yeah that would make would that make
Speaker 2: Thors sore?
Speaker 5: Yes? Or Thor will come to that song? And sure
Speaker 5: enough a residence spotted Thor in his neighborhood. He started
Speaker 5: whistling the tune and Thor flew right into his house.
Speaker 2: And you sure it was the tune or not an
Speaker 2: open bottle of tequila?
Speaker 6: Right? You know?
Speaker 5: It may have been both. I'm not sure. Okay, I
Speaker 5: didn't hear otherwise, so it's probably just the guy's whistling.
Speaker 2: But uh, okay, So I got one here, yea that
Speaker 2: I that I wanted to ask about. I've just lost
Speaker 2: it here for Oh yeah, Spider Man is arrested for
Speaker 2: disorderly conduct. Uh, I mean, how old was this Spider Man?
Speaker 2: Mostly most people who I see wearing Spaman costumes are
Speaker 2: kind of in the six, seven, eight to nine years
Speaker 2: of age rage.
Speaker 5: You know, I get to say same same that that's uh,
Speaker 5: this was a different circumstance though, Right, so we're talking.
Speaker 5: This is near the Boston Garden and you know, the
Speaker 5: Celtics just won the championship and their enthusiastic sand dressed
Speaker 5: up as Spider Man was kind of kind of started
Speaker 5: taunting police and twerking and dancing around police.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I missed that. Go ahead not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish I had been there. I wish I
Speaker 5: could have found, you know, video of this, But I
Speaker 5: did get a copy of the police report just kind
Speaker 5: of describing Spider Man's antics, and you know what happened
Speaker 5: was police made the call that like, you know, the
Speaker 5: you know, the guy dress as Spider Man was kind
Speaker 5: of getting the crowd riled up and trying to like
Speaker 5: get them to like go through like barriers and stuff
Speaker 5: and places where they couldn't go. So yeah, well that.
Speaker 2: Should definitely that should have been a tip off that
Speaker 2: it was a Spider Man impostor, because you and I
Speaker 2: both know that the actual Spider Man would never do something,
Speaker 2: you know, that inappropriate. I'm not talking about you know, talking.
Speaker 5: About well, you know, I guess he had some moves,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So he was arrested for
Speaker 5: disorderly conduct, you know, and yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2: Do we have any idea how old this We don't
Speaker 2: have to name him by name, but I'm assuming he
Speaker 2: was beyond the range of six, seven, eight or nine
Speaker 2: since he's described as a man thirty.
Speaker 5: Two years old. Thirty two years old.
Speaker 2: His mom must be so proud of him.
Speaker 5: Man, you know, definitely creative, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so that that was that was outside of the TV
Speaker 5: guy and that that arrest happened. But that's a that's
Speaker 5: a great example to Dan, and I'm glad you brought
Speaker 5: it up because like that's the exact like kind of
Speaker 5: like slice the life kind of quirky stories that I
Speaker 5: include every week in the column. You know.
Speaker 2: The other one which I got to ask about is
Speaker 2: the cat which was stuck in a tree, fell seventy
Speaker 2: feet that's longer than a pitching mountains. Yeah, that's sixty
Speaker 2: feet five inches six inches seventy feet made the cat
Speaker 2: landed on its feet or made a safe.
Speaker 5: Land so basically made a safe landing. What happened was
Speaker 5: this cat was stuck in the tree and witnesses said that,
Speaker 5: you know, he was up there for a really long time.
Speaker 5: The cat's name, by the way, was mister Storm. Is
Speaker 5: mister Storms.
Speaker 2: I was afraid it was going to be Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Oh thank god, mister Storm.
Speaker 5: So mister Storm. This was in Webb the kind of
Speaker 5: webste and mister Storm was stuck in the tree. A
Speaker 5: local tree like landscaping company came and tried to like
Speaker 5: get him. He just kept them going up and up
Speaker 5: and up the tall tree. Ended up jumping to another
Speaker 5: tall tree again, just you know, staying right out of
Speaker 5: the way of rescuers. Firefighters put up the ladder, tried
Speaker 5: to get them.
Speaker 6: No luck.
Speaker 5: So then the folks at the bottom of the tree
Speaker 5: they had a tap like a safety net, you know,
Speaker 5: and they stretched that out because they were afraid that
Speaker 5: the cat might fall or jump. And guess what, the
Speaker 5: cat did a leap, and thank god they had this
Speaker 5: huge tap. The cat landed in the tap. And then
Speaker 5: just took off like running, made a safe.
Speaker 2: Landing and a safe getaway.
Speaker 5: Well a getaway but short lived because he was found
Speaker 5: and brought back to his home. He made it home
Speaker 5: safe and sound. Yeah, yeah, but seventy feet leap, you know.
Speaker 5: But again it just shows you, like how all these
Speaker 5: different agencies kind of got together. You know, you have
Speaker 5: animal control off, so you got police, you got firefighters.
Speaker 5: Everybody's just working together, you know, to get the cat
Speaker 5: down safely.
Speaker 2: And I think the cat apparently there was a cat psychologist.
Speaker 2: I believe the follow up story which you missed, the
Speaker 2: cat thought he was he or she was a squirrel.
Speaker 2: You know how squirrels can leave the branches. And then
Speaker 2: you talk about some squirrel. This is such a cute picture.
Speaker 2: A little squirrel, which can be nasty when confronted. By
Speaker 2: the way this little squirrel was freed. It had its
Speaker 2: head caught somehow and it couldn't ye strike its head.
Speaker 2: What time was that?
Speaker 5: So that one was, Oh, that the squirrel in the dumpster? Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was that was a tough one. That was like
Speaker 5: one of my recent columns, it was it's wild to
Speaker 5: see like so you know, at the bottom of a dumpster.
Speaker 5: This is a Webster.
Speaker 2: This is a Webster story too. By the way, I think, no,
Speaker 2: that's the squirrel. We sorry, oh yes it is. I look, yeah,
Speaker 2: let me tell you.
Speaker 5: The squirrel. So this was another kind of bizarre rescue
Speaker 5: of an animal. But yeah, this poor little squirrel put
Speaker 5: his head in the drain the troll of the dumpster,
Speaker 5: you know, probably to get some food in the out
Speaker 5: of there, and it couldn't get out. And so what
Speaker 5: happened was they called firefighters and you know, the a
Speaker 5: CEO was on scene, and they actually used tools to
Speaker 5: cut out a corner of the dumpster and they were
Speaker 5: able to you know, cut away, you know, slowly, but surely,
Speaker 5: and the squirrel was freed and actually made a you know,
Speaker 5: stayed The a CEO kept an eye on it overnight
Speaker 5: and said, you know, it was acting very squirrel like,
Speaker 5: you know, yelling o her and stuff and and uh
Speaker 5: seemed very healthy. And she released it the next day
Speaker 5: and it took off up a tree.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's where the cat learned some of the
Speaker 2: squirrel moves. I didn't realize that both in the town
Speaker 2: of Webster. But it also tales. I love it.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I mean every day, strange stuff happens, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, And that's what I just try
Speaker 5: to capture, you know, some of those moments every week.
Speaker 2: A great sense for Emily. You do a great job
Speaker 2: and I'm always looking for this. So this is every
Speaker 2: Sunday in the Globe.
Speaker 5: Every Sunday in the Globe. Yeah, it's in the Metro
Speaker 5: section and yeah, yeah, please check it out.
Speaker 2: After after I get rid of get you know, to
Speaker 2: get rid of after I finished reading Sean See and
Speaker 2: Kevin DuPont and everybody in the sports page, I'm going
Speaker 2: right to Blatertale.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what I like to hear.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Emily, thanks so much.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thanks so much for being here. Will we
Speaker 2: get back. We're going to talk with an author. His
Speaker 2: name is Brian Biro. I hope it's pronounced correctly, and
Speaker 2: he's written a book which I think you're going to
Speaker 2: be interested in. Uh. It's a it's a book dealing
Speaker 2: with lessons from the legends, new applications from the timeless
Speaker 2: wisdom of John Wuden and Pat Summit. If you don't
Speaker 2: know who John Mouten and Pat Summitt are you're not
Speaker 2: a college basketball fan. We will explain it all on
Speaker 2: the other side of this very quick break on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Joining us. That is Brian Biro. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing
Speaker 2: that last name correctly. Am I close?
Speaker 6: You did Brian Biro's bio correctly? Way to god.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's I can remember that, Brian Biro's bio. Okay.
Speaker 2: So you have a couple of degrees from a couple
Speaker 2: of pretty good schools, Stanford and UCLA. Okay, and you've
Speaker 2: written a book, Lessons from the Legends, and this talking
Speaker 2: about two basketball legends. College basketball legends John Wudin of UCLA,
Speaker 2: who lived to the age of almost made a hundred
Speaker 2: it or not in Pat Summit University of Tennessee, arguably
Speaker 2: the greatest college men's and women's basketball coaches in the
Speaker 2: history of the game. You won't disagree with me on that,
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 6: Not a bit. They were both phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how did you come to this subject? What
Speaker 2: drew you to them? And tell us about the book?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I wanted to write a book about character. Again,
Speaker 6: I believe that we need to focus on character. Coach
Speaker 6: would and would often say, you know, you're be more
Speaker 6: concerned with your character than your reputation, because your characters
Speaker 6: who you are. Your reputation only what others think you are.
Speaker 6: And I grew up in southern California had a great
Speaker 6: admiration for John Whitten. He actually became my friend. He
Speaker 6: wrote the forward to my very first book, which was
Speaker 6: called Beyond Success. But I never got the chance to
Speaker 6: meet Pat Summit, but I always admired her. And what
Speaker 6: really really intrigued me and was they're different in style,
Speaker 6: but their similarity and character. Both of them were very humble.
Speaker 6: By that, I mean, you know, some people think being
Speaker 6: humbled means that you're not competent. Not true. He can
Speaker 6: be very humble and very competent because being humble doesn't
Speaker 6: mean you think less of yourself. It means you think
Speaker 6: of yourself less. But the key to being why being
Speaker 6: humble is such a valuable thing in our world today,
Speaker 6: Only those are humble our lifelong learners. Because only those
Speaker 6: are humble are always looking to get better. And they
Speaker 6: both live that so much. And I think most of
Speaker 6: all I had My first career out of graduating from
Speaker 6: the Stanford was I was a US swimming coach. So
Speaker 6: I'm loving the Olympics happening right now. But I always
Speaker 6: realize that we don't coach swimming or basketball first, we
Speaker 6: coach people. It's helping people break through those fears, helping people,
Speaker 6: you know, develop their faith in themselves, develop the team spirit.
Speaker 6: So I wanted to take two people who are very
Speaker 6: different in style. You know, coach coach Summit could melt
Speaker 6: steel with Stare. She was tough one of her favorite statements,
Speaker 6: A tough enough buttercup and John Wooden was the ultimate gentleman.
Speaker 6: But in their in their passion for building people, their
Speaker 6: passion for being humble, their passion for work ethic, their
Speaker 6: passion for really trying to make everyone around them better,
Speaker 6: they both believe, you know, it's amazing what's accomplished when
Speaker 6: nobody cares who gets the credit. They gave credit, took responsibility.
Speaker 2: So that was also great as well. Winning Winning is
Speaker 2: not you know, I think I forget who it was
Speaker 2: that winning is and everything. It's the only thing that
Speaker 2: might have been Lombardi if I'm not mistaken that and
Speaker 2: it's a different style obviously, but these these two very
Speaker 2: successful you know, college basketball coaches, you you have very
Speaker 2: uh you talk about character versus reputation, and that's a
Speaker 2: very interesting point of view. If you, if you do
Speaker 2: have good character, I think general, your reputation is going
Speaker 2: to follow. In my opinion, there may be people who
Speaker 2: who have a great reputation, but in fact their their
Speaker 2: character is you know, it doesn't back up the reputation.
Speaker 2: I guess it can go one way. Character reputation. But
Speaker 2: there's a couple of other phrases here which which struck me,
Speaker 2: and that is balancing passion and calmness. It's tough to
Speaker 2: be both. I mean, if you're really passionate about whether
Speaker 2: it's your work or or even for that matter, of
Speaker 2: your golf game, it's it's tough to be passionate and
Speaker 2: when things don't go well to remain calm. What did
Speaker 2: what did you learn from them about that ability?
Speaker 6: Well? I think both of them understood that the key
Speaker 6: to handling that having passion and staying cool under pressure
Speaker 6: is to focus on controlling your controllables. It's when we
Speaker 6: try to control the things we don't control that we
Speaker 6: really start to lose it. That we start to get impatient, angry, frustrated.
Speaker 6: And both of them, though they love to win. This
Speaker 6: is the most remarkable thing that you'll ever hear about
Speaker 6: John Wooden. In twenty seven years of coaching UCLA, he
Speaker 6: never said the words winning or losing to his players. Now,
Speaker 6: for those who don't know, listen to your show. Was
Speaker 6: he won ten national championships, so he loved to win,
Speaker 6: but what he wanted to focus on was look at
Speaker 6: the things you control. Your effort, your energy, your attitude.
Speaker 6: You're learning your attitude. And Coach somewhat was the same.
Speaker 6: She intensely wanted to win, but she didn't look at
Speaker 6: the score as necessarily the determination of whether you really
Speaker 6: deserve to be praised or not. It was really what
Speaker 6: you put in the things you control. And I think
Speaker 6: that's the secret for anybody, whether it's in business, whether
Speaker 6: it's in parenting. When we focus on the things we
Speaker 6: do control our effort, our energy, our presence, our focus,
Speaker 6: we feel momentum, we feel like we can rather than
Speaker 6: we can. And I think that's another real important thing
Speaker 6: that they really truly truly exemplified.
Speaker 2: Well. Both of them obviously also had good players. John
Speaker 2: Wooden had had Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton, Gail Goodrich.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of great players that that developed
Speaker 2: under him. That's that's all. The always the chicken and
Speaker 2: egg story. Does the coach make the player or do
Speaker 2: the players make the coach? What's your thought on that?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, if you look at John witten, I,
Speaker 6: you know, we we remember that he coached Bill Walton,
Speaker 6: and he coached and he he coached Kareema, Bill Jabbar
Speaker 6: when he was lu Al Sinder. But he won with
Speaker 6: every conceivable kind of team. His first two teams had
Speaker 6: no starter over six foot four and a half. Then
Speaker 6: he won, of course with the big centers and the
Speaker 6: great players that he had, and then his last three
Speaker 6: championship teams were forward dominated. So he he understood that,
Speaker 6: you know, he didn't try to coach everyone the same way.
Speaker 6: He looked for the strengths and brought him out, and
Speaker 6: so did coach Summit. They they could. They really focused
Speaker 6: on looking at who they had, and they really believe
Speaker 6: that both of them that the difference between being good
Speaker 6: and great. Coach wouldn't said this often really came down
Speaker 6: to the difference between being willing and being eager. You know,
Speaker 6: when you're willing, Yeah, you'll do it, but it's kind
Speaker 6: of like, you know, willing is kind of like our
Speaker 6: teenagers cleaning their room. Yeah they'll do it because they
Speaker 6: want to eat, right. But eager is I can't wait.
Speaker 6: I got to get out there. I want I just
Speaker 6: can't wait to do it. That kind of spirit he felt,
Speaker 6: you know, that talent. He used to say there are
Speaker 6: no overachievers, And what he meant by that is we
Speaker 6: have more in this than we know, and a coach's
Speaker 6: job is to try to bring the best out of
Speaker 6: what we have.
Speaker 2: Boy, a lot of great lessons. The book has been
Speaker 2: available for a while, but it's Lessons from the When
Speaker 2: did it come out? This is not something they came
Speaker 2: out yesterday, I so home.
Speaker 6: No, it just came out at the end of last year.
Speaker 6: I was really excited to kind of hit number one
Speaker 6: as a new release and know it was a joy
Speaker 6: to write because I feel like, more than ever, I
Speaker 6: like to see our all of us start to remember
Speaker 6: to move from ego to weigo And that's.
Speaker 2: The mindset phrase. So Lessons from the Legends, New Applications
Speaker 2: from the Timeless Wisdom of John Wooden and pat Summit
Speaker 2: available everywhere. Brian biro As in bio, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed, I enjoyed the passion you brought to this conversation.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Dan. I really appreciate your having me on
Speaker 6: and thank you for all you do. And wish your
Speaker 6: great joy happy August.
Speaker 2: It's right around the corner. It's about four hours hours,
Speaker 2: three hours away now I wish it was Memorial Day.
Speaker 2: Thanks a bunch bride. When we get back, we have
Speaker 2: some subjects to talk about tonight, Secret Service being grilled
Speaker 2: by senators. But I also am going to get to
Speaker 2: a late ad that we did not promote today, and
Speaker 2: that is just the dumbst statements that Donald Trump continues
Speaker 2: continues to make. He almost wonder does he want to
Speaker 2: be president or not. We'll get to art of I promise,
Speaker 2: as well as what's going on in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: We have a jam pack three hours coming up right
Speaker 2: after nine o'clock news