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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's new radio.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Nicole, what's amazing about some of these athletes,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the women athletes. They maintain from Olympiad to Olympiad.

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<v Speaker 2>Such dominance, it's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. I could not ever do anything that Katie

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<v Speaker 3>Ladeci does. I love watching her in the pool. Did

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<v Speaker 3>you see I think it was last night or earlier

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<v Speaker 3>today where she was a whole length ahead of everybody else. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>where do you get the energy for that?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you'd practice a lot, I should.

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<v Speaker 3>Hope, So I think I'll maybe pass on that, but

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<v Speaker 3>I like watching her.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm a little old for this. Oh come on, thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, everybody, welcome on in. It's a nice hour

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<v Speaker 2>with Dan Ray. I am off at a big trip

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<v Speaker 2>later this week to Italy, so uh, I'm gonna visit

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<v Speaker 2>my last show for about a week and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Fear not, fear not. I'll be back on August the

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<v Speaker 2>twelfth with all sorts of tales from Rome and the

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<v Speaker 2>Mouthea Coast. But put that aside because we have more

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<v Speaker 2>important things to talk about this hour. For very important things,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to start off with the State Treasurer and

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<v Speaker 2>Receiver General of the Comwealth of Massachusetts, Deborah Goldberg, also

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<v Speaker 2>the chair of the Massachusetts State Lottery Commission, Adam Treasurer.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>How are you Dan?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing just great.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you would do great in the swimming competition,

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<v Speaker 4>or maybe you could do those uneven parallel bars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, the pummeled horse or whatever it is

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<v Speaker 2>that looks like my Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I certainly could get Stephen in from Worcester to

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<v Speaker 4>give you a lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I guess we could. I guess we could. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that they say looks like Clark Kent. He

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<v Speaker 2>looks like Clark Kent, and he's like a superman. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that these athletes maintained themselves from Olympiad

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<v Speaker 2>to OLYMPIAD to Olympiad, which is which is not easy

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<v Speaker 2>as you grow older every four years, as you and

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<v Speaker 2>I have found out in our lives.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'm I'm still running in the Olympics. It's just

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<v Speaker 4>the Massachusetts ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, the Massachusetts Lottery Olympics have done very well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess that you have a new revenue stream

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<v Speaker 2>if you will. Here we're going to get online lottery

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<v Speaker 2>sales here in the com Wealth of Massachusetts. What's going

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<v Speaker 2>on with that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, this on.

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<v Speaker 4>The governors, as you know, signed the state budget and

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<v Speaker 4>an included language legalizing online lottery sales for Massachusetts. But candidly,

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<v Speaker 4>we're not even close to the first. Every state around

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<v Speaker 4>us already had online lottery sales, and we were actually

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<v Speaker 4>behind the curve because you know, you've got sports betting online,

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<v Speaker 4>you've got daily fantasy sports, you've got all sorts of things,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, we we're not for profit business. We

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<v Speaker 4>are profit goes to the people of Massachusetts for the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of news that they have, and so this puts

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<v Speaker 4>us on a level playing field and it'll it'll take

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<v Speaker 4>a little while to get it up and running. But

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<v Speaker 4>now after quite a number of years of discussions about this,

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<v Speaker 4>we are now on our way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, minus stadius are going to take about sixteen months,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're not talking about something that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>available next week or even next month.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, but in you know, given the complexities of I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it isn't you just don't take a photo of a

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<v Speaker 4>of a mass State lottery ticket and then post it online.

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<v Speaker 4>This has an enormous amount of technology behind it. And

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<v Speaker 4>the good news is we won't be inventing the wheel. However,

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<v Speaker 4>we have. We really want to go through a competitive

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<v Speaker 4>process and make sure that we get the best deal

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<v Speaker 4>for the commonwealth. And you know me, so, you know

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<v Speaker 4>I always apply all of my business sense to things,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it'll be a process where we do rfrs

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<v Speaker 4>and RFIs and then RFPs and we will be looking

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<v Speaker 4>for the best deal for the commonwealth. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Mass State lotteries profit margin is teeny the cost

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<v Speaker 4>of us running it for a business of that size

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<v Speaker 4>is very small, and over a billion dollars at this

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<v Speaker 4>time goes out to every local community, distributed to them

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<v Speaker 4>all over the state. That was the idea behind it,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's what we've continued to do for over fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Stayed true and predecessors. So explain to me how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>When you hear about online lottery, that means I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to go down to my corner store to buy

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<v Speaker 2>my lottery tickets. I can buy them online.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, Well, actually, online lottery has its own set of

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<v Speaker 4>games and then you can buy some other games online.

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<v Speaker 4>But there are also courier services. Now Jack Pocket, I

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<v Speaker 4>believe is one of them. I think I'm getting the

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<v Speaker 4>name correct, where you could not they are literally a

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<v Speaker 4>customer of the lotteries. But yes, in order to play

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<v Speaker 4>lot a lottery game, a mass state lottery game, you

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<v Speaker 4>will not have to go down to your corner store.

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<v Speaker 4>Although I'm putting my retailer cap on, I am hoping

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<v Speaker 4>that there will be all sorts of new reasons for

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<v Speaker 4>you to go down to your local retail store because

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<v Speaker 4>we will be doing in our online operation promotions that

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<v Speaker 4>you will not be able to resist, and in order

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<v Speaker 4>to help our retail partners and also you as a customer.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so come back if you could. The states that

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<v Speaker 2>have surrounded us, can Massachusetts residents currently go online? And

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<v Speaker 2>yes they can, so they can, they can. So so

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<v Speaker 2>we have people probably purchase No, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't play the lottery.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, you can't write I think you're probably illegal

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<v Speaker 2>for you to do that. I know, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you wouldn't. I got to be honest with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big lottery guy either.

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<v Speaker 4>I hate to do well, maybe we can turn.

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<v Speaker 2>You into lot No, I get it. Well, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>so what I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying is you know, the online lottery, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to thank both the government, you know, the governor,

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<v Speaker 4>the House, you know, Speaker Mariano and Center President Karen

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<v Speaker 4>Spilk of the Joint Ways and Means Committee because they

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<v Speaker 4>really took a thoughtful approach towards this. You can buy

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<v Speaker 4>a lottery ticket in a store when you're eighteen years old. However,

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<v Speaker 4>you cannot go online unless you're twenty one, and you

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<v Speaker 4>have to verify that, okay, and you you there's all

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<v Speaker 4>sorts of programs that will be built into the system.

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<v Speaker 4>What we work with, all sorts of gam you know,

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<v Speaker 4>gambling addiction, sure groups that have helped develop those, and

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<v Speaker 4>so we will be instituting all of those. And what's

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<v Speaker 4>really interesting and new about the online lottery is it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be paying for critical childcare services, which have

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<v Speaker 4>become more and more desperately needed across the state. I

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<v Speaker 4>hear from everyone how difficult it is to find childcare,

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<v Speaker 4>how expensive it is to find childcare, and the online

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<v Speaker 4>lottery revenues will be dedicated to childcare services.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me come back and just trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of questions and if I'm throwing questions at

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<v Speaker 2>you that you don't have off the tip of your tongue.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do this again in a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm wondering is if Massachusetts residents are currently able

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<v Speaker 2>to play online in other states. There's no For example,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you can from Massage. Well before Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>legalized sports betting, you have to physically go to New

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<v Speaker 2>Hampshire or wherever to betom football games. So he we're

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<v Speaker 2>actually hemorrhaging some money right now to other states. Do

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<v Speaker 2>we have any idea how much line money is going

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<v Speaker 2>out of state?

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know because the other state lotteries, who are

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<v Speaker 4>delighted deal the number one lottery in the country customers

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<v Speaker 4>just drool and tease us when we were losing our customers.

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<v Speaker 6>You have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Play within state borders online and although if you were

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<v Speaker 4>to go to try to go sign I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 4>been told that people have done practice play in the

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<v Speaker 4>New Hampshire Lottery, just testing it out that they were

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<v Speaker 4>they were close to the New Hampshire border and they

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<v Speaker 4>would just go across, you know, into Salem, and then

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<v Speaker 4>would play.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so okay, So the premise of my the premise

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<v Speaker 2>of my question is faulty because we're not hemorrhaging. People

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<v Speaker 2>might be driving to New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 4>Or drive out the same in the same way. You

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<v Speaker 4>know about the you know, the competition on the state

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<v Speaker 4>liquor stores.

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<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely okay. Now I get that. So okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're we are basically taking care of business here in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to take maybe a year, maybe sixteen months,

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<v Speaker 2>but you'll get it up and running and people will

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<v Speaker 2>be able to do what they have to do. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, it's a great way to raise

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<v Speaker 2>revenue because it's all voluntary. Nobody is doing it unless

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<v Speaker 2>they want the fun and the competition. I sometimes buy

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<v Speaker 2>a lottery ticket when there's like a five you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred five billion, one hundred five million dollar jackpot

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<v Speaker 2>or something, as I figure, if I'm going to hit

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<v Speaker 2>it big, if you're going to hit it sometime, I

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<v Speaker 2>might as well hit it and hit it big. So far,

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't worked. That strategy has not worked matter, but I.

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<v Speaker 4>I've met some of the people who it has worked for.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'll tell you, I often want to I could

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you about this all night. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to do this, but I've often wondered if any

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<v Speaker 2>of the lotteries, and I would hope Massachusetts might offer

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<v Speaker 2>some counseling to these folks who all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>find themselves winning one of these humongous paid Well.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very interesting you should say that, because although now

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<v Speaker 4>that number that has been exceeded on the power Ball.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember when we had the woman from Chickapee

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<v Speaker 4>who won the seven hundred and fifty seven million, and

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<v Speaker 4>she and her sisters came to the to the offices

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<v Speaker 4>that day, and one of the things I discussed with

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<v Speaker 4>them was financial education and counseling, and also setting up

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<v Speaker 4>some trusts and getting a good lawyer and that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thing. And I have seen that happened in the

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<v Speaker 4>number of cases. Obviously, you can't force someone to do that,

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<v Speaker 4>but I I have to even tell you that. Do

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<v Speaker 4>you remember the the COVID vaccine lottery that went on

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<v Speaker 4>for a couple draws, No, I don't. It was it

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<v Speaker 4>was supported by the Got Got you know, Charlie Baker

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<v Speaker 4>at the time and others. And I met a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of the people who won, uh and they one of

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<v Speaker 4>them was a young lady from Lynn and that money

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<v Speaker 4>was going right towards her education. And another one was

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<v Speaker 4>someone who had been hard working for his whole career

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<v Speaker 4>and it was going to his family.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are the stories.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear, an awful lot of good stories.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have to schedule you again for some

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<v Speaker 2>more good stories because I have to make way for

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<v Speaker 2>another guest. I just so enjoyed talking with you. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you.

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<v Speaker 4>I always enjoy talking to you too, and I always

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy it when we bump into each other. Oh, because

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<v Speaker 4>people were on the air. Well, no, but both Dan

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<v Speaker 4>and I love animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Zoo New England, that's what that's yeah. Uh in June,

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<v Speaker 2>I was feeding, I was feeding by my with my

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, alrighty, take good care, thanks very.

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<v Speaker 2>Much, the same Treasure, Calmwealth of Massachusetts back Olbert. Bye bye, Den.

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<v Speaker 2>We have heard a lot in the last couple of

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Nightside, Thanks for being available. What the

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<v Speaker 2>heck is listeria? How serious is this and what should

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<v Speaker 2>boy's head, that's the delicatest and meat that I always

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<v Speaker 2>deli meat from my family. How concerned should I be?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Listeria is a bacterial infection and it can contaminate foods.

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<v Speaker 7>Every year in the United States that we see about

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<v Speaker 7>sixteen hundred listeria and about two hundred and six deaths.

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<v Speaker 7>This current outbreak that's associated with the bores head liver

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<v Speaker 7>Worth specifically has made about thirty has made thirty four

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, So you don't have to worry about I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>that some of the delicatessens have you know, cleaned thoroughly

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<v Speaker 2>their delic cases. So this listeria was only with one

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<v Speaker 2>meat product. There was no danger of it jumping from

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from that to Turkey or to ham or

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean there is some danger. So you know,

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<v Speaker 7>when when we find cases of listeria, we immediately notified

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<v Speaker 7>of liver Worst and they actually you know, tested the

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<v Speaker 7>liver Worst from boar's head and from the shelves as well,

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<v Speaker 7>and they found that it was contaminated. And so what

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<v Speaker 7>we know that word well from activities, they recalled everything

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<v Speaker 7>equipment itself can become contaminated and then it can contaminate

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<v Speaker 7>other products. And they then also asked the grocery stores

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<v Speaker 7>and delis to remove all of the boor's head products

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<v Speaker 7>that they had UH and in many cases they also

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<v Speaker 7>you know, threw out anything else that they had in

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<v Speaker 7>those cases and that have been used you know, on

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<v Speaker 7>the delis UH and did a deep clean, which is

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<v Speaker 7>pretty easy to do. Pretty much any disinfectant will kill listeria.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know much about listeria, and I understand

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<v Speaker 2>what a bacteria is, but how frequent are these outbreaks?

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<v Speaker 2>If you if you can tell me, and where did

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>That you know. The deli meats are particularly susceptible because

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<v Speaker 7>of the way multiple sources of meat are handled kind

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<v Speaker 7>of at the same time. If you think about liver

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<v Speaker 7>worth in particular, it can be from multiple animals at

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<v Speaker 7>the same time, and there's you know, it's it can

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<v Speaker 7>from manure, from soil that has bacteria in it, and

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<v Speaker 7>so you know, for a long time now, pregnant women

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<v Speaker 7>have been advised not to eat Deli meat unless you

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<v Speaker 7>cook that Deli meat to over one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 7>five degrees or steaming hot. Anything that you cook to

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<v Speaker 7>steaming hot, you've eliminated or you've killed the listeria. So

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<v Speaker 7>that's a safe way to eat Delli meat if you

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<v Speaker 7>are high risk for a listeria and the high risk

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<v Speaker 7>categories are pregnant women, people who are over sixty five,

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<v Speaker 7>and people with compromised immune systems. But I feel pretty confident,

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<v Speaker 7>although these types of recalls can sometimes expand, but now

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<v Speaker 7>that Borshead has closed their entire plant, I feel pretty

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<v Speaker 7>confident that we should not be seeing any new product

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<v Speaker 7>get into the supply gain. The important thing now is

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<v Speaker 7>for people to eliminate it from their own refrigerators.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it just one one plant that we're talking about here,

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<v Speaker 2>or is it just Yeah, I assume boys Head has

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<v Speaker 2>more than what it's a huge company.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, right, yeah, they traced it to this one plant

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<v Speaker 7>in Maryland. You know, again, sometimes these recalls do expand,

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<v Speaker 7>and they've already expanded to every product in that plant.

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<v Speaker 7>But I feel pretty confident that we've got a handle

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. You You're a great interview for

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of reasons, but the clarity with which

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<v Speaker 2>you explain things is is fabulous. So I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to thank you. Thank you Drone, who we've had on

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<v Speaker 2>this show many times, and I look forward to having

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<v Speaker 2>her with us many times in the future. Thanks so much, doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a great night. When we get back, right

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<v Speaker 2>after the news, we're going to talk with Boston Globe

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<v Speaker 2>columnist Emily Sweeney. I love Emily. She is so funny,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has a new feature that features I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it's called oddball stories. I've never heard of even ball stories,

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<v Speaker 2>but oddball stories called blater tales, blatter as in police

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<v Speaker 2>blatter or ink blater, blottered tales. She'll explain on the

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure all of us read the Boston Globe

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<v Speaker 2>for different things. I know, I love the sports page

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<v Speaker 2>on the Boston Globe, but I'm looking forward to a

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<v Speaker 2>new section that's coming out called blater Tales with my

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<v Speaker 5>I can't say credit for that. Yeah, it was definitely

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<v Speaker 5>a team effort at the Globe, a bunch of people,

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<v Speaker 5>and I believe Doug Most Actually it was years ago

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<v Speaker 5>when he was there. He was one of the folks

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<v Speaker 5>who I know, do Yes, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Did that guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so long?

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<v Speaker 2>How long has bladder Tale has been running?

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<v Speaker 5>Gosh, it's been over a decade now. And it's funny

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<v Speaker 5>because I get a lot of emails every week from people,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think a lot of folks they know to

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<v Speaker 5>look for it, you know what I mean. It comes

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<v Speaker 5>out every Sunday in the Metro section of the paper,

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, there's a there's a loyal readership, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>there's this weird it's just crazy what police and fire

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<v Speaker 5>departments deal with every week on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 6>Just a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Strange recent ones that you've come up to. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>know how you love animals.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh oh yeah, uh and uh, I got one I

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<v Speaker 8>want to ask you about here, but but give me,

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<v Speaker 8>give me one that did you like, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 8>going to ask you about one that I have.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, okay, yeah, sure?

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<v Speaker 5>So I mean one recent one, uh, an exotic bird

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<v Speaker 5>escaped from its home uh in Milford, mass And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the owners were looking for it, posting on Facebook and everything,

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<v Speaker 5>and it turned The bird turned up and rent them.

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<v Speaker 5>The owners told, you know, through social media and working

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<v Speaker 5>with animal control offices, they got the word up. The

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<v Speaker 5>bird was named Thor, and he liked the song, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the song tequila.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, sure, yeah that would make would that make

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<v Speaker 2>Thors sore?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes? Or Thor will come to that song? And sure

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<v Speaker 5>enough a residence spotted Thor in his neighborhood. He started

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<v Speaker 5>whistling the tune and Thor flew right into his house.

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<v Speaker 2>And you sure it was the tune or not an

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<v Speaker 2>open bottle of tequila?

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<v Speaker 6>Right? You know?

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<v Speaker 5>It may have been both. I'm not sure. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, okay, So I got one here, yea that

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<v Speaker 2>I that I wanted to ask about. I've just lost

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<v Speaker 2>it here for Oh yeah, Spider Man is arrested for

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<v Speaker 2>disorderly conduct. Uh, I mean, how old was this Spider Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly most people who I see wearing Spaman costumes are

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I get to say same same that that's uh,

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<v Speaker 5>this was a different circumstance though, Right, so we're talking.

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<v Speaker 5>This is near the Boston Garden and you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>Celtics just won the championship and their enthusiastic sand dressed

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I missed that. Go ahead not.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I wish I had been there. I wish I

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<v Speaker 5>could have found, you know, video of this, But I

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<v Speaker 5>of describing Spider Man's antics, and you know what happened

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<v Speaker 5>was police made the call that like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the guy dress as Spider Man was kind

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<v Speaker 5>of getting the crowd riled up and trying to like

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<v Speaker 5>get them to like go through like barriers and stuff

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<v Speaker 5>and places where they couldn't go. So yeah, well that.

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<v Speaker 2>Should definitely that should have been a tip off that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a Spider Man impostor, because you and I

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<v Speaker 2>both know that the actual Spider Man would never do something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that inappropriate. I'm not talking about you know, talking.

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<v Speaker 5>About well, you know, I guess he had some moves,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean. So he was arrested for

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have any idea how old this We don't

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<v Speaker 2>was beyond the range of six, seven, eight or nine

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<v Speaker 2>since he's described as a man thirty.

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<v Speaker 5>Two years old. Thirty two years old.

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<v Speaker 2>His mom must be so proud of him.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, you know, definitely creative, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>so that that was that was outside of the TV

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<v Speaker 5>guy and that that arrest happened. But that's a that's

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<v Speaker 5>a great example to Dan, and I'm glad you brought

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<v Speaker 5>it up because like that's the exact like kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like slice the life kind of quirky stories that I

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<v Speaker 2>The other one which I got to ask about is

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<v Speaker 2>the cat which was stuck in a tree, fell seventy

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<v Speaker 2>feet that's longer than a pitching mountains. Yeah, that's sixty

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<v Speaker 2>feet five inches six inches seventy feet made the cat

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<v Speaker 2>landed on its feet or made a safe.

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<v Speaker 5>Land so basically made a safe landing. What happened was

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he was up there for a really long time.

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<v Speaker 5>The cat's name, by the way, was mister Storm. Is

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<v Speaker 5>mister Storms.

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<v Speaker 2>I was afraid it was going to be Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh thank god, mister Storm.

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<v Speaker 5>So mister Storm. This was in Webb the kind of

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<v Speaker 5>webste and mister Storm was stuck in the tree. A

429
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<v Speaker 5>local tree like landscaping company came and tried to like

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<v Speaker 5>get him. He just kept them going up and up

431
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<v Speaker 5>and up the tall tree. Ended up jumping to another

432
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<v Speaker 5>tall tree again, just you know, staying right out of

433
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<v Speaker 5>the way of rescuers. Firefighters put up the ladder, tried

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<v Speaker 5>to get them.

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<v Speaker 6>No luck.

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<v Speaker 5>So then the folks at the bottom of the tree

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<v Speaker 5>they had a tap like a safety net, you know,

438
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<v Speaker 5>and they stretched that out because they were afraid that

439
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<v Speaker 5>the cat might fall or jump. And guess what, the

440
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<v Speaker 5>cat did a leap, and thank god they had this

441
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<v Speaker 5>huge tap. The cat landed in the tap. And then

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<v Speaker 5>just took off like running, made a safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Landing and a safe getaway.

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<v Speaker 5>Well a getaway but short lived because he was found

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<v Speaker 5>and brought back to his home. He made it home

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<v Speaker 5>safe and sound. Yeah, yeah, but seventy feet leap, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>But again it just shows you, like how all these

448
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<v Speaker 5>different agencies kind of got together. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 5>animal control off, so you got police, you got firefighters.

450
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<v Speaker 5>Everybody's just working together, you know, to get the cat

451
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<v Speaker 5>down safely.

452
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<v Speaker 2>And I think the cat apparently there was a cat psychologist.

453
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<v Speaker 2>I believe the follow up story which you missed, the

454
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<v Speaker 2>cat thought he was he or she was a squirrel.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how squirrels can leave the branches. And then

456
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<v Speaker 2>you talk about some squirrel. This is such a cute picture.

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<v Speaker 2>A little squirrel, which can be nasty when confronted. By

458
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<v Speaker 2>the way this little squirrel was freed. It had its

459
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<v Speaker 2>head caught somehow and it couldn't ye strike its head.

460
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<v Speaker 2>What time was that?

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<v Speaker 5>So that one was, Oh, that the squirrel in the dumpster? Yeah,

462
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<v Speaker 5>that was that was a tough one. That was like

463
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<v Speaker 5>one of my recent columns, it was it's wild to

464
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<v Speaker 5>see like so you know, at the bottom of a dumpster.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a Webster.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a Webster story too. By the way, I think, no,

467
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<v Speaker 2>that's the squirrel. We sorry, oh yes it is. I look, yeah,

468
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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 5>The squirrel. So this was another kind of bizarre rescue

470
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<v Speaker 5>of an animal. But yeah, this poor little squirrel put

471
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<v Speaker 5>his head in the drain the troll of the dumpster,

472
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<v Speaker 5>you know, probably to get some food in the out

473
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<v Speaker 5>of there, and it couldn't get out. And so what

474
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<v Speaker 5>happened was they called firefighters and you know, the a

475
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<v Speaker 5>CEO was on scene, and they actually used tools to

476
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<v Speaker 5>cut out a corner of the dumpster and they were

477
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<v Speaker 5>able to you know, cut away, you know, slowly, but surely,

478
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<v Speaker 5>and the squirrel was freed and actually made a you know,

479
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<v Speaker 5>stayed The a CEO kept an eye on it overnight

480
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<v Speaker 5>and said, you know, it was acting very squirrel like,

481
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<v Speaker 5>you know, yelling o her and stuff and and uh

482
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<v Speaker 5>seemed very healthy. And she released it the next day

483
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<v Speaker 5>and it took off up a tree.

484
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<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's where the cat learned some of the

485
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<v Speaker 2>squirrel moves. I didn't realize that both in the town

486
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<v Speaker 2>of Webster. But it also tales. I love it.

487
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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, I mean every day, strange stuff happens, you

488
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<v Speaker 5>know what I mean, And that's what I just try

489
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<v Speaker 5>to capture, you know, some of those moments every week.

490
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<v Speaker 2>A great sense for Emily. You do a great job

491
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm always looking for this. So this is every

492
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<v Speaker 2>Sunday in the Globe.

493
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<v Speaker 5>Every Sunday in the Globe. Yeah, it's in the Metro

494
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<v Speaker 5>section and yeah, yeah, please check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>After after I get rid of get you know, to

496
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<v Speaker 2>get rid of after I finished reading Sean See and

497
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<v Speaker 2>Kevin DuPont and everybody in the sports page, I'm going

498
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<v Speaker 2>right to Blatertale.

499
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<v Speaker 5>Yes, that's what I like to hear.

500
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<v Speaker 2>Dan.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, Emily, thanks so much.

502
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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk soon.

503
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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 2>My pleasure. Thanks so much for being here. Will we

505
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<v Speaker 2>get back. We're going to talk with an author. His

506
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<v Speaker 2>name is Brian Biro. I hope it's pronounced correctly, and

507
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<v Speaker 2>he's written a book which I think you're going to

508
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<v Speaker 2>be interested in. Uh. It's a it's a book dealing

509
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<v Speaker 2>with lessons from the legends, new applications from the timeless

510
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<v Speaker 2>wisdom of John Wuden and Pat Summit. If you don't

511
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<v Speaker 2>know who John Mouten and Pat Summitt are you're not

512
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<v Speaker 2>a college basketball fan. We will explain it all on

513
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<v Speaker 2>the other side of this very quick break on Nightside.

514
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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

515
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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining us. That is Brian Biro. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing

517
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<v Speaker 2>that last name correctly. Am I close?

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<v Speaker 6>You did Brian Biro's bio correctly? Way to god.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. That's I can remember that, Brian Biro's bio. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have a couple of degrees from a couple

521
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<v Speaker 2>of pretty good schools, Stanford and UCLA. Okay, and you've

522
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<v Speaker 2>written a book, Lessons from the Legends, and this talking

523
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<v Speaker 2>about two basketball legends. College basketball legends John Wudin of UCLA,

524
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<v Speaker 2>who lived to the age of almost made a hundred

525
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<v Speaker 2>it or not in Pat Summit University of Tennessee, arguably

526
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<v Speaker 2>the greatest college men's and women's basketball coaches in the

527
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<v Speaker 2>history of the game. You won't disagree with me on that,

528
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<v Speaker 2>I hope.

529
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<v Speaker 6>Not a bit. They were both phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So how did you come to this subject? What

531
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<v Speaker 2>drew you to them? And tell us about the book?

532
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, I wanted to write a book about character. Again,

533
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<v Speaker 6>I believe that we need to focus on character. Coach

534
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<v Speaker 6>would and would often say, you know, you're be more

535
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<v Speaker 6>concerned with your character than your reputation, because your characters

536
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<v Speaker 6>who you are. Your reputation only what others think you are.

537
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<v Speaker 6>And I grew up in southern California had a great

538
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<v Speaker 6>admiration for John Whitten. He actually became my friend. He

539
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<v Speaker 6>wrote the forward to my very first book, which was

540
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<v Speaker 6>called Beyond Success. But I never got the chance to

541
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<v Speaker 6>meet Pat Summit, but I always admired her. And what

542
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<v Speaker 6>really really intrigued me and was they're different in style,

543
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<v Speaker 6>but their similarity and character. Both of them were very humble.

544
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<v Speaker 6>By that, I mean, you know, some people think being

545
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<v Speaker 6>humbled means that you're not competent. Not true. He can

546
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<v Speaker 6>be very humble and very competent because being humble doesn't

547
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<v Speaker 6>mean you think less of yourself. It means you think

548
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<v Speaker 6>of yourself less. But the key to being why being

549
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<v Speaker 6>humble is such a valuable thing in our world today,

550
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<v Speaker 6>Only those are humble our lifelong learners. Because only those

551
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<v Speaker 6>are humble are always looking to get better. And they

552
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<v Speaker 6>both live that so much. And I think most of

553
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<v Speaker 6>all I had My first career out of graduating from

554
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<v Speaker 6>the Stanford was I was a US swimming coach. So

555
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<v Speaker 6>I'm loving the Olympics happening right now. But I always

556
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<v Speaker 6>realize that we don't coach swimming or basketball first, we

557
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 6>coach people. It's helping people break through those fears, helping people,

558
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<v Speaker 6>you know, develop their faith in themselves, develop the team spirit.

559
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<v Speaker 6>So I wanted to take two people who are very

560
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<v Speaker 6>different in style. You know, coach coach Summit could melt

561
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<v Speaker 6>steel with Stare. She was tough one of her favorite statements,

562
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<v Speaker 6>A tough enough buttercup and John Wooden was the ultimate gentleman.

563
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<v Speaker 6>But in their in their passion for building people, their

564
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<v Speaker 6>passion for being humble, their passion for work ethic, their

565
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<v Speaker 6>passion for really trying to make everyone around them better,

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<v Speaker 6>they both believe, you know, it's amazing what's accomplished when

567
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<v Speaker 6>nobody cares who gets the credit. They gave credit, took responsibility.

568
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<v Speaker 2>So that was also great as well. Winning Winning is

569
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<v Speaker 2>not you know, I think I forget who it was

570
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<v Speaker 2>that winning is and everything. It's the only thing that

571
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<v Speaker 2>might have been Lombardi if I'm not mistaken that and

572
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<v Speaker 2>it's a different style obviously, but these these two very

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<v Speaker 2>successful you know, college basketball coaches, you you have very

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<v Speaker 2>uh you talk about character versus reputation, and that's a

575
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<v Speaker 2>very interesting point of view. If you, if you do

576
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<v Speaker 2>have good character, I think general, your reputation is going

577
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<v Speaker 2>to follow. In my opinion, there may be people who

578
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<v Speaker 2>who have a great reputation, but in fact their their

579
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<v Speaker 2>character is you know, it doesn't back up the reputation.

580
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<v Speaker 2>I guess it can go one way. Character reputation. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of other phrases here which which struck me,

582
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<v Speaker 2>and that is balancing passion and calmness. It's tough to

583
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<v Speaker 2>be both. I mean, if you're really passionate about whether

584
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<v Speaker 2>it's your work or or even for that matter, of

585
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<v Speaker 2>your golf game, it's it's tough to be passionate and

586
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<v Speaker 2>when things don't go well to remain calm. What did

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<v Speaker 2>what did you learn from them about that ability?

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<v Speaker 6>Well? I think both of them understood that the key

589
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<v Speaker 6>to handling that having passion and staying cool under pressure

590
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<v Speaker 6>is to focus on controlling your controllables. It's when we

591
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<v Speaker 6>try to control the things we don't control that we

592
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 6>really start to lose it. That we start to get impatient, angry, frustrated.

593
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<v Speaker 6>And both of them, though they love to win. This

594
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<v Speaker 6>is the most remarkable thing that you'll ever hear about

595
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<v Speaker 6>John Wooden. In twenty seven years of coaching UCLA, he

596
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<v Speaker 6>never said the words winning or losing to his players. Now,

597
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<v Speaker 6>for those who don't know, listen to your show. Was

598
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<v Speaker 6>he won ten national championships, so he loved to win,

599
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<v Speaker 6>but what he wanted to focus on was look at

600
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<v Speaker 6>the things you control. Your effort, your energy, your attitude.

601
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<v Speaker 6>You're learning your attitude. And Coach somewhat was the same.

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<v Speaker 6>She intensely wanted to win, but she didn't look at

603
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<v Speaker 6>the score as necessarily the determination of whether you really

604
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<v Speaker 6>deserve to be praised or not. It was really what

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<v Speaker 6>you put in the things you control. And I think

606
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<v Speaker 6>that's the secret for anybody, whether it's in business, whether

607
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<v Speaker 6>it's in parenting. When we focus on the things we

608
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<v Speaker 6>do control our effort, our energy, our presence, our focus,

609
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<v Speaker 6>we feel momentum, we feel like we can rather than

610
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<v Speaker 6>we can. And I think that's another real important thing

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<v Speaker 6>that they really truly truly exemplified.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Both of them obviously also had good players. John

613
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<v Speaker 2>Wooden had had Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton, Gail Goodrich.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of great players that that developed

615
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<v Speaker 2>under him. That's that's all. The always the chicken and

616
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<v Speaker 2>egg story. Does the coach make the player or do

617
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<v Speaker 2>the players make the coach? What's your thought on that?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, if you look at John witten, I,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, we we remember that he coached Bill Walton,

620
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<v Speaker 6>and he coached and he he coached Kareema, Bill Jabbar

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<v Speaker 6>when he was lu Al Sinder. But he won with

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<v Speaker 6>every conceivable kind of team. His first two teams had

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<v Speaker 6>no starter over six foot four and a half. Then

624
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<v Speaker 6>he won, of course with the big centers and the

625
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<v Speaker 6>great players that he had, and then his last three

626
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<v Speaker 6>championship teams were forward dominated. So he he understood that,

627
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<v Speaker 6>you know, he didn't try to coach everyone the same way.

628
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<v Speaker 6>He looked for the strengths and brought him out, and

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<v Speaker 6>so did coach Summit. They they could. They really focused

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<v Speaker 6>on looking at who they had, and they really believe

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<v Speaker 6>that both of them that the difference between being good

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<v Speaker 6>and great. Coach wouldn't said this often really came down

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<v Speaker 6>to the difference between being willing and being eager. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>when you're willing, Yeah, you'll do it, but it's kind

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<v Speaker 6>of like, you know, willing is kind of like our

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<v Speaker 6>teenagers cleaning their room. Yeah they'll do it because they

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<v Speaker 6>want to eat, right. But eager is I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 6>I got to get out there. I want I just

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<v Speaker 6>can't wait to do it. That kind of spirit he felt,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, that talent. He used to say there are

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<v Speaker 6>no overachievers, And what he meant by that is we

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<v Speaker 6>have more in this than we know, and a coach's

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<v Speaker 6>job is to try to bring the best out of

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<v Speaker 6>what we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, a lot of great lessons. The book has been

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<v Speaker 2>available for a while, but it's Lessons from the When

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<v Speaker 2>did it come out? This is not something they came

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<v Speaker 2>out yesterday, I so home.

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<v Speaker 6>No, it just came out at the end of last year.

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<v Speaker 6>I was really excited to kind of hit number one

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<v Speaker 6>as a new release and know it was a joy

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<v Speaker 6>to write because I feel like, more than ever, I

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<v Speaker 6>like to see our all of us start to remember

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<v Speaker 6>to move from ego to weigo And that's.

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<v Speaker 2>The mindset phrase. So Lessons from the Legends, New Applications

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<v Speaker 2>from the Timeless Wisdom of John Wooden and pat Summit

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<v Speaker 2>available everywhere. Brian biro As in bio, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed, I enjoyed the passion you brought to this conversation.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, Dan. I really appreciate your having me on

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<v Speaker 6>and thank you for all you do. And wish your

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<v Speaker 6>great joy happy August.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right around the corner. It's about four hours hours,

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<v Speaker 2>three hours away now I wish it was Memorial Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a bunch bride. When we get back, we have

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<v Speaker 2>some subjects to talk about tonight, Secret Service being grilled

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<v Speaker 2>by senators. But I also am going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>a late ad that we did not promote today, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is just the dumbst statements that Donald Trump continues

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<v Speaker 2>continues to make. He almost wonder does he want to

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<v Speaker 2>be president or not. We'll get to art of I promise,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as what's going on in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a jam pack three hours coming up right

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<v Speaker 2>after nine o'clock news