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Speaker 2: Thank good enough to do it, everybody. Welcome to Eye
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Speaker 2: Steve Roberta, You're Dave Silver, and we've got our guy
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Speaker 2: hope you guys are hearing us. We're doing starting off nice, Dave.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Good to be back again.
Speaker 3: Kind of the post game situation after the big basketball
Speaker 3: game last night, So what a game?
Speaker 4: A lot to talk about. I was talking to somebody
Speaker 4: who's at the game last night during the game and
Speaker 4: after the game. What a to me?
Speaker 2: I don't know who lost your opinion a second, but
Speaker 2: to me, it was a bunch of piranhas going at
Speaker 2: it one and two.
Speaker 4: It was a sloppy, good fun game. Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: It was a very evenly matched game.
Speaker 3: The oddsmakers had it right on with like a you know,
Speaker 3: one and a half point difference, and you know it's funny.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, well, Florida is actually gonna beat Houston
Speaker 3: at Houston's game, and they were playing tough defense and
Speaker 3: kind of making things ugly, and nobody really shot very well.
Speaker 3: Nobody could really you know, overpower anybody. You know, Houston
Speaker 3: had the lead, but you know it was kind of
Speaker 3: just hanging there for Florida to take.
Speaker 2: Anybody smart from watching Saturday's game could have predicted this
Speaker 2: type of game because they saw two like this on Saturday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was fun to watch it, you know,
Speaker 4: anytime a game is close, you know, it was. It
Speaker 4: was good.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was good TV and good to watch. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, and drama till the end. Unfortunately, a bad
Speaker 2: play for Houston, A couple of bad plays for Houston.
Speaker 4: Yeah at the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they you know, they hesitated a big
Speaker 3: time obviously on that last on the last possession. That
Speaker 3: should have just fired it up there and try to
Speaker 3: get the offensive rebund because they were doing that almost
Speaker 3: all game anyway, so that could have been their chance
Speaker 3: to maybe you know, steal the win or at least
Speaker 3: tie it up.
Speaker 2: I am not complaining to Dave. I know you did well.
Speaker 2: I did well yesterday. Yeah, I said it all week
Speaker 2: last week. What I had Bet and Jay Owes meat
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I hate to say this.
Speaker 3: I mean we were talking to Ryan Hanson yesterday and
Speaker 3: he was saying, you know, all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of rooting for the Big twelve, And that's kind
Speaker 3: of how I felt too. I was hoping a little
Speaker 3: bit just because you know, they're now part of that
Speaker 3: conference and we get to see these guys, we'll become
Speaker 3: sure they'll be coming into McHale again next year.
Speaker 2: And their favorite their favorite. Next year, there are number
Speaker 2: two too. I think there are number one in the
Speaker 2: ESPN Early Early Pole, Early top twenty five. Yeah, their
Speaker 2: second betting favorite. And I want to say Duke was
Speaker 2: the first favorite, but Duke was rated number ten. I
Speaker 2: think it was just off the top next year.
Speaker 3: For next year, they're going to lose three guys, probably
Speaker 3: right off the bat Duke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know how they rebuilt Arizona was seventeen, and
Speaker 2: that's of course without the rosters being fixed.
Speaker 3: Right now, Yeah, I mean, now it all begins again.
Speaker 3: It's going to basically be like just pick up the confetti,
Speaker 3: throw it up in the air and see you know,
Speaker 3: who lands where, And I'm sure it's the mad rush
Speaker 3: is underway.
Speaker 2: So do you get more joy out of this season
Speaker 2: or not this season, this basketball seasons or the football seasons?
Speaker 4: Probably basketball.
Speaker 3: I mean it just culminates with this month of you know, drama. Basically,
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of cool. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: used to really the big college football playoff situation. I
Speaker 3: don't really have anything invested in any of these teams
Speaker 3: just yet. Maybe someday it'll happen here. But with basketball,
Speaker 3: it's something you know as an Arizona resident and you
Speaker 3: know you have a reporter for all those years.
Speaker 4: I still get caught up in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the bread and butter of the city,
Speaker 2: of the University, of the fans. A little bread and
Speaker 2: butter has been with the women's program. Today we're gonna
Speaker 2: have Joan bon Messini, former you of a women's basketball coach,
Speaker 2: obviously now turned TV analyst.
Speaker 4: Colored person.
Speaker 2: I think she's the She's the colored person, right with with.
Speaker 3: Cindy brun Sindy usually yes, but yeah, John, of course
Speaker 3: he's done. She's done a nice job of making the
Speaker 3: transition over to the broadcasting. But she did the pack
Speaker 3: twelve games and she's been doing it a while and
Speaker 3: then stuck with the ESPN plus.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's getting her chance to talk. Well, see
Speaker 2: how deep we go into the idea situation. Obviously she
Speaker 2: was her mentor and her coach, coach, and prob they're
Speaker 2: pretty very close. I'm gonna ask for the same question
Speaker 2: they asked Rhino yesterday about, uh, you have a person
Speaker 2: making decent money, uh, and how do you keep them happier?
Speaker 4: Do you even care? You're talking about players? Players?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a different, different era
Speaker 3: and she was, you know, in a different different spot
Speaker 3: where she was coaching when you know she had a
Speaker 3: you know, an a Da Barnes and players like that.
Speaker 3: You know, she's in that collection of coaches that were
Speaker 3: brought in by said Dempsey too. So that'd be a
Speaker 3: good thing to hear with. Yeah, she feels about Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, well, okay, I thought maybe living good.
Speaker 3: We'll check be sure. Okowski, She replays Okowski, Okaykowski. Maybe
Speaker 3: Olkowski was at the end she fired. You're probably right
Speaker 3: because you had to be like ninety two ish, yeah,
Speaker 3: ninety two okay, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because Cedric came
Speaker 3: in well what in ninety three. Yeah, that's what we're
Speaker 3: talking about with, right, Yeah, Okay, we're gonna have her
Speaker 3: at three three, seventeen, three eighteen around there, and then
Speaker 3: at the four to seventeen how we're going to talk
Speaker 3: to Aaron Torres from Fox Sports. He was at the
Speaker 3: games last night and we'll have him in. He's obviously
Speaker 3: covers Arizona very heavily, and then we'll talk about the
Speaker 3: national seed.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: He loves as Sean Miller and he loves oh yeah.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a defender and frightly, so I guess
Speaker 2: you know, he was the one that kind of believed
Speaker 2: everything he was saying at the time.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be an interesting story to watch too, what
Speaker 3: he can do and there in Texas with his you know,
Speaker 3: recruiting ability and his background and yeah, you know, they've
Speaker 3: got all the resources in the world.
Speaker 4: You know, how is he going to make out here
Speaker 4: in the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only fifty five, so well was young, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you still have a lot of wins.
Speaker 4: Obviously we'll see a lot of success. So there's that.
Speaker 2: Uh, you were talking about the the thing that we
Speaker 2: should have come out yesterday, the legislation still on hold,
Speaker 2: on hold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there there there's a judge that's going to decide
Speaker 3: all this and that's still on hold. So I guess
Speaker 3: we'll just have to, you know, let her sort things out.
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be it's gonna be a big deal
Speaker 3: for every university. The key couple of key things that
Speaker 3: are missing or delaying. You don't have to, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: dog in the ice, make sure the language can just.
Speaker 4: Make sure that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I don't want to speak out of turn exactly, especially
Speaker 3: when it comes to the law. But I think everybody
Speaker 3: kind of knows that twenty million issues going to be
Speaker 3: coming just about every athletic department and how they're going
Speaker 3: to vv that up.
Speaker 2: And we talked to Rocky and she said, you know
Speaker 2: it's soon to be seen. That brought up the time
Speaker 2: of line thing. Where does the the the divide of
Speaker 2: money sit with you?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's obviously they with football brings in
Speaker 3: the most, so they're going to get the most and
Speaker 3: they have the most players, so that's kind of what
Speaker 3: they decided to do.
Speaker 4: I think it's like seventy five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the basketballs are going to get kind
Speaker 3: of the next wrong men's for sure, and then everything
Speaker 3: else can be kind of spread out baseball, softball, swimming, golf,
Speaker 3: and guess.
Speaker 4: What those teams do. They don't bring much. They don't
Speaker 4: bring any at all.
Speaker 3: Track and you know, yeah, I mean softball and baseball
Speaker 3: get fans and stuff, but.
Speaker 4: Those are losses, those are lost leaders, you know want these.
Speaker 3: And women's hoops, I mean maybe still I don't know,
Speaker 3: it used to really be bad.
Speaker 4: No, no, they're still got better still in the red.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, and that was one of the ideas,
Speaker 2: big complaints, you know that we're only getting this uh
Speaker 2: and she'll be able to get more at SMU given
Speaker 2: the given the nil and the backers.
Speaker 4: Right right.
Speaker 3: You know that's where you know, the view of a
Speaker 3: and they know they need to kind of pick up
Speaker 3: the pace when it comes to the fundraising, and that's
Speaker 3: gonna you know, maybe keep these coaches from going off
Speaker 3: to an SMU of the world or any of some
Speaker 3: of the other schools that have huge endowments and huge
Speaker 3: funds of money available.
Speaker 2: When you when you were doing your fundraising and you
Speaker 2: went around the country, you were talking to UA alums,
Speaker 2: right right, did you kind of felt did you did
Speaker 2: you kind of feel as a as a like a
Speaker 2: second fiddle? This is this is a dumb question because
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it and then now I just
Speaker 2: lost my strength. Thought, like, you go into Dallas. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you went to Dallas a time or two.
Speaker 4: Actually I didn't.
Speaker 2: You didn't, Okay, So so it's just goes okay, and
Speaker 2: there's a lot of alums up there, right, but did
Speaker 2: you compete?
Speaker 4: And I'm sure this is not the case.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was Stanford because they have a kid at Stanford,
Speaker 2: or you know what I'm saying, they have a diverse
Speaker 2: or a conflicting.
Speaker 3: Issue, right, I mean basically, you begin that process by
Speaker 3: looking at the alum and mainly what do they major in?
Speaker 3: Maybe you can find out some background about them, like
Speaker 3: what their job is now because it's just available on
Speaker 3: a LinkedIn or websites and things like that. But you know,
Speaker 3: almost every time you'd be surprised at what else you
Speaker 3: once you meet them.
Speaker 4: You know, you've got they've got.
Speaker 3: Other kids going to private schools or paying you know,
Speaker 3: seventy five thousand dollars a year to send their kid
Speaker 3: to SMU or to wherever you know, University of Pacific
Speaker 3: or someplace, so you would.
Speaker 4: Run into that quite a bit.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like a given that just because these
Speaker 3: people were successful and they were lums, that they were
Speaker 3: going to give back to the school.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work that How how this is another question,
Speaker 2: how how success not successful? But well, yeah, successful, I'll
Speaker 2: give you ten ten targets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could get a meeting with two of them,
Speaker 3: real successful, just a meeting meeting. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 3: people just aren't interested. They just know, you know, that
Speaker 3: you're there to just you know, kind of see what's
Speaker 3: going on in there if they want to stay connected
Speaker 3: in some way to the to the college.
Speaker 4: Just getting the meeting that was a miracle sometimes soldered.
Speaker 2: You said two, and then I guess if you get
Speaker 2: one of those two, that's a.
Speaker 3: And you don't even know what you're going to get
Speaker 3: out of the two meetings. That's the you know, that's
Speaker 3: the difficult thing of raising money here anywhere. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: a little bit easier on some of the bigger schools
Speaker 3: that have you know, some pretty wealthy alums that are
Speaker 3: just going to okay, we're going to here, we'll write
Speaker 3: you a check. But usually the check isn't nearly as much
Speaker 3: as you expect it to be.
Speaker 2: So so uh, given that you're not in that business
Speaker 2: forever and you happened upon it in the last part
Speaker 2: of your life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you? Did you take no very well before
Speaker 4: you got into this business? Uh? Not really, but you
Speaker 4: you definitely have to learn. I would never survive that
Speaker 4: business now.
Speaker 3: Usually the good thing about it is, even though it
Speaker 3: might have been a no today, they're still going to
Speaker 3: be there and you can still work and maybe go
Speaker 3: back to them in a couple of years. Say, listen,
Speaker 3: you know, I know things are going to be changing
Speaker 3: in your life. Your your kids are going to be
Speaker 3: graduating from these expensive colleges. You're not gonna have to
Speaker 3: send your kids to private high schools. YadA, YadA. You know,
Speaker 3: would it be good? Would it be okay?
Speaker 4: If I gave you a call in a couple O
Speaker 4: case how it works? And I'm sure? Okay?
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm alum b or a. Yeah, Dave, I
Speaker 2: really it was great to meet you, Dave. I saw you.
Speaker 2: I saw you on TV when I was at school.
Speaker 2: Good to see you, good guy. Uh, but uh, don't
Speaker 2: ever call you again.
Speaker 3: Did you hear that, oh yeah, really something. Usually they
Speaker 3: weren't that mean about it. Usually it's just like we're
Speaker 3: not really interested. You know, Uh, I appreciate your you're
Speaker 3: reaching out. You know, I had a great time at
Speaker 3: the u of A Da Da Da da Da, and
Speaker 3: I would sometimes just take that as the end. But
Speaker 3: then there's other ways you can sort of work your
Speaker 3: way back into their good graces, sending them information, you know,
Speaker 3: sending them links. I mean, there's all kinds of places
Speaker 3: available just around the U of A campus that has,
Speaker 3: you know, have news items if you will, that you
Speaker 3: can just send them. Hey, you know, you majored in history.
Speaker 3: Here's you know, here's the latest newsletter from the Department
Speaker 3: of History.
Speaker 2: So I asked, and I've been leading these questions into
Speaker 2: this direction because I'm assuming that, uh that M I
Speaker 2: L and all that they're having the same issues, n
Speaker 2: I L. Well, trying to get the same money.
Speaker 3: Probably Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm probably not a good person to talk about that
Speaker 3: because I never really did it, but I would love
Speaker 3: to hear how they approach it. You know, a couple
Speaker 3: of people approached me saying, oh, the nil people gave
Speaker 3: me a call what is this all about? And I
Speaker 3: would have to kind of backtrack and come back to
Speaker 3: campus and try to find out, Well, who called them?
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, I don't even know who these
Speaker 3: people are, so it was a little bit of a
Speaker 3: different group. But I think from what I understand, athletics
Speaker 3: is going to be involved more with NIL going forward,
Speaker 3: especially with this new ruling going on, and they're going
Speaker 3: to be allowed to raise money for NIL.
Speaker 4: And they weren't before.
Speaker 2: I don't think so well, because now they have to
Speaker 2: find twenty million dollars, right, they have to fight twenty
Speaker 2: million the user, the flight department, right on top of
Speaker 2: what if they don't make twenty million profit twenty million
Speaker 2: good question.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it would be good.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if they're willing to talk
Speaker 3: about it, but it would be a good guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just kind.
Speaker 2: Of explain when this passes, we'll get ahold of our
Speaker 2: NIL people that we've had on before, the ray Wells
Speaker 2: of the world, if you're still there, and talk real
Speaker 2: quick about what's going on, because it's it's not a
Speaker 2: it's not a great situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just to me, it's confusing in
Speaker 3: that these athletes are so mobile. You know, Okay, you
Speaker 3: know you get another Omar Ballow and you're gonna give
Speaker 3: him all this money to go to Indiana and then
Speaker 3: is he gonna leave again?
Speaker 4: And yeah, what happens is that million dollars creaso.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been here, he's been washed West Virginia, Kentucky,
Speaker 2: now Cincinnati, and.
Speaker 4: He's probably not getting a ton of money.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's getting some, but I bet you he's
Speaker 3: not making what's a ton of money, not like a
Speaker 3: million dollars for six figures?
Speaker 4: Maybe? Well, I think he was at West Virginia. I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know. I bet he's not. Yeah,
Speaker 4: tough to say. Be ready to go.
Speaker 2: Let's go get ahold of Joan and talk more about
Speaker 2: UA women's hoops, hoops in general, and come back.
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Speaker 15: the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Winning the Ball Here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 4: I'm Steve Ribera. In with me. Today's Dave Silver.
Speaker 2: Now on the phone, we have former UA women's basketball
Speaker 2: coach Joan baum Fascini.
Speaker 4: Joan Howard you, I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 7: How are you?
Speaker 2: We're doing fine. Long time no talk. I hope everything's
Speaker 2: okay with you.
Speaker 4: And now that the season's over, Yeah, I'm doing great.
Speaker 7: Watched a lot of great basketball and it's been fun.
Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of changes on the horizon,
Speaker 7: but I'm doing fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, David.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what was your just your thoughts
Speaker 3: maybe on just the way the women's games ended this
Speaker 3: year with Gino winning another national championship. Just maybe your
Speaker 3: overall feelings on how that weekend went for women's hoops.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, women's basketball has grown incredibly with attendance,
Speaker 7: with people watching it, the money involved. But Gino is
Speaker 7: fantastic coach, and yeah, some great players, but they hadn't won,
Speaker 7: and you know most people would say, may have one,
Speaker 7: but this is his twelfth. It's amazing, amazing run. And boy,
Speaker 7: they were the dominant throughout the tournament. They played fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no question. David and I were talking about
Speaker 2: to you arriving here. I guess nineteen ninety one ish
Speaker 2: and the Cedric had hired you. Just your thoughts on
Speaker 2: that period of time and who the man was.
Speaker 7: Well, said, Demse did hire me. You know, I only
Speaker 7: got to work for him for a couple of years
Speaker 7: because he then left two and you know, be in
Speaker 7: charge of the NCAA. But it was a fantastic leader.
Speaker 7: I you know, you don't realize that when you're hired,
Speaker 7: but there's you know, the people he hired were fantastic people.
Speaker 7: We had great people in administration, excellent leadership.
Speaker 16: You know, and oh we had fantastic.
Speaker 7: Coaches and we were all very close. You know. I
Speaker 7: was hired to change the program because I think they
Speaker 7: had one winning season when I was hired, and that
Speaker 7: was like fifteen and fourteen. No postseason. But it took longer.
Speaker 16: Than it does today because it didn't have the you know.
Speaker 7: The portal for kids to come in.
Speaker 13: But so it took a.
Speaker 7: Little longer than I wanted. But we ended up having
Speaker 7: pretty good teams.
Speaker 3: And what what How did they sell you on Arizona
Speaker 3: because like you said, it was the cupboard was kind
Speaker 3: of bear and things.
Speaker 4: Really, you know, there was not much here. You had
Speaker 4: great process.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I left Long Beach, I was the winningest
Speaker 7: coaches coach five percentage in America. I had more wins
Speaker 7: and you know, gone to a couple final fours. I
Speaker 7: was coach of the Year for the country. I had
Speaker 7: players of the Year for the country, a couple of Olympians.
Speaker 7: And what happened, to be very honest, is uh. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm a big I like to recruit. I'm one of
Speaker 7: the coaches who likes to recruit, and I was a
Speaker 7: very successful recruiter because I had good relationships with the
Speaker 7: players and we before when I first got to Long Beach,
Speaker 7: we were in the same conference with ea C, la UFC, Stanford,
Speaker 7: and we had won that conference. We were in six years,
Speaker 7: we wonted five out of six years. We then went
Speaker 7: to it was then PC Double A and Big West
Speaker 7: and we were very successful again won I think we
Speaker 7: won the conference five out of six years, but the
Speaker 7: last couple of years in that conference because more money
Speaker 7: was going then into the pack at that time, PAC
Speaker 7: ten for women. So people that we would routinely be
Speaker 7: I would recruit, but they'd end up going to UCLA
Speaker 7: or USC. And the real reason, the straw that broke
Speaker 7: the camel's back was Lisa Leslie, who was sort of
Speaker 7: a good player, the best really even now, probably the
Speaker 7: best post ever in women's basketball history. Uh. She actually
Speaker 7: committed to me on at Long Beach on a Sunday
Speaker 7: and on Tuesday that things changed, and you know, long
Speaker 7: story short, she went to USC. She had a fantastic career.
Speaker 7: But I knew then that women's basketball was going to
Speaker 7: change and had changed, and I didn't want to get
Speaker 7: caught being on the short end because I'm so competitive,
Speaker 7: and I had met Cedric Dempsey previously, I had met
Speaker 7: Lude Olsen and his wife had some Nike you know,
Speaker 7: vacations and things, and so there was actually an intermediary
Speaker 7: who came to me in December, who was my former
Speaker 7: athletic director, John Casser, who used to work for SET
Speaker 7: at Houston. And John said to me, he said, I
Speaker 7: was out at that time, you could scout. I think
Speaker 7: I was scouting Santa Barbara and this is December, and
Speaker 7: he said, Joan Arizona is really interested in you. And
Speaker 7: he goes, are you in interested in talking with them?
Speaker 7: And I said, yeah, I am, but I don't want
Speaker 7: to talk to them again until my season's over. So
Speaker 7: we went that year to the regional unfortunately lost in
Speaker 7: the sweet sixteen, and came back in the office. I
Speaker 7: don't know if it was Monday Tuesday. I do something
Speaker 7: I only do after the season's over. I played some
Speaker 7: golf and I came in and got a message from Rocky.
Speaker 7: Rocky Lorose called me, and I thought it was some
Speaker 7: Italian person. But anyway, that's how because they had never
Speaker 7: called me until the season was over. But anyway, you know,
Speaker 7: it was a smart thing to do.
Speaker 16: You know, it was a smart thing to do.
Speaker 7: I probably looking back, there's things I would have done differently.
Speaker 7: I would have had players, because I wouldn't let kids
Speaker 7: transfer with me, and they all wanted to some really
Speaker 7: good ones, but I didn't want long each state to
Speaker 7: get mad, and looking back, you know, their careers weren't
Speaker 7: the same after I left, and would have helped me
Speaker 7: at Arizona. But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 7: But you know, I loved working at Arizona. I mean
Speaker 7: there was you know, coaching is a tough profession, but
Speaker 7: I loved it. I loved my relationship with the players
Speaker 7: and it was good. And I'm still obviously involved in
Speaker 7: the university. I'm now broadcasting their games and did that
Speaker 7: also with Pac twelve Networks.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well you just talked about about coaching. What
Speaker 2: do you make of the idea situation now that she's gone.
Speaker 7: I think in this case, both parties benefited, yes, and
Speaker 7: will benefit from the change. I think an idea. You know,
Speaker 7: no coach wants to go in and be a lame
Speaker 7: duck coach, and Arizona made it clear they weren't renewing
Speaker 7: her contract because that would have been done a long
Speaker 7: time ago, and I think fortunate for Ada she got in.
Speaker 7: I think she made a really smart move and I
Speaker 7: think she'll be super successful at SMU. I do I
Speaker 7: think she's given a lot of resources, and you go
Speaker 7: to fresh start, you know, and she's someplace new athletic
Speaker 7: director who she knows. You know, I can't state enough.
Speaker 7: You know, when you are somewhere and someone really wants you,
Speaker 7: I think that's a strong emotion and you got something
Speaker 7: to prove. I learned a long time ago, never underestimate
Speaker 7: Ada Barnes.
Speaker 16: So I think she'll be super successful in a very
Speaker 16: good conference at the ACC. And on the other hand, I.
Speaker 7: Think Arizona has an opportunity to hire who they want.
Speaker 7: You know, they wanted to change, and now they have
Speaker 7: an opportunity to get someone that the athletic director wants
Speaker 7: because you know, I mean when you're in business, and
Speaker 7: this is business, I mean you want your own person.
Speaker 7: And so she's going to have an opportunity to hire
Speaker 7: someone she wants and then give them the resources to
Speaker 7: be successful.
Speaker 3: I was going to say resources seems to be one
Speaker 3: of the key words in college sports these days. Does
Speaker 3: Arizona have the resources to get a high quality coach
Speaker 3: in your opinion, Well.
Speaker 7: They had a high quality coach, and they paid a
Speaker 7: lot of money and they had you know, people are saying, well,
Speaker 7: why did you get paid. I mean historical, let me
Speaker 7: go quickly. A deal was the lowest paid coach by
Speaker 7: a lot when she was hired. I mean it was
Speaker 7: ridiculous low. Okay, let's be honest. She then was given
Speaker 7: a raise, which probably moved her about seventh in the
Speaker 7: conference four hundred thousand. Then the year she was on,
Speaker 7: she went to the sweet sixteen. Because they were top
Speaker 7: ten for most of the year, they increased it. I
Speaker 7: want to say it about seven hundred or eight hundred significant.
Speaker 7: And then what do you know, because I was at
Speaker 7: the Games at the final four, she's she beats Yukon.
Speaker 7: I mean, beating Yukon is ahead. Go look at their
Speaker 7: record the last ten years. Beat them. I mean it
Speaker 7: was unbelievable. And I'm walking out of the the arena
Speaker 7: and it was in San Antonio and Dave Pekey's there,
Speaker 7: and at that time President Robbins and I looked at
Speaker 7: it and they're looking at me, just smiling, and I said,
Speaker 7: I know, you just gave Ada a new contract, but
Speaker 7: I hate to say it, You're going to probably have
Speaker 7: to do something more. Yeah, I said that, and he goes,
Speaker 7: and this is Doc Robert. He goes, Joe I just
Speaker 7: told day of that. But that wasn't the thing that
Speaker 7: got idea. The more money. I mean that part of
Speaker 7: it was. What it really was is that she not
Speaker 7: only was offered, I mean she was ready to go
Speaker 7: to Baylor. I mean, and they offered at that time,
Speaker 7: I think one point three million. They offered one point
Speaker 7: three million, and she had made an arrangement and I
Speaker 7: don't think I'm speaking out of turn that if if
Speaker 7: they could go, because she was ready to go. I
Speaker 7: mean he was ready. That ad was on I think,
Speaker 7: on the runway, ready to come here, and she said
Speaker 7: she would stay for a million, and that's how that's
Speaker 7: why it got to where it was. But honestly, she
Speaker 7: was going to be gone. I mean I know that
Speaker 7: after because we talked. But that's how it got up there.
Speaker 7: And honestly, when you look at other people and what
Speaker 7: you know, go in the final. I mean she's a
Speaker 7: point away from winning the title. I mean, that's what
Speaker 7: you do. And if Arizona didn't come up with a million,
Speaker 7: she would have left. I mean, and people think, well,
Speaker 7: she's an alarm I mean, let me see, I can
Speaker 7: say this like I was, I wanted to coach and
Speaker 7: most people I know in my you know, age group, whatever,
Speaker 7: we were in to coach for as long as we could.
Speaker 7: We were lifers. And I can't speak for everyone. You know,
Speaker 7: people aren't like Gino or Path Summit or Tara anymore.
Speaker 7: They want to make as much money as they.
Speaker 16: Can, be successful and then get out on their turns.
Speaker 16: It's just different now, yes, but you.
Speaker 7: Know that's the way it is.
Speaker 16: And that's I'm just gonna say that's the way it is.
Speaker 7: It's just different.
Speaker 2: It's a lot different, right right. Well, you saw what
Speaker 2: well you started just to establish and you did very well.
Speaker 2: Obviously she took over the rings eventure and did what
Speaker 2: she did, which turned into.
Speaker 4: Some great heights.
Speaker 2: And is that program sustainable into doing it again?
Speaker 7: You can, especially now you can do it again because
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, usually in the past you would
Speaker 7: get a contract and you get three to four years
Speaker 7: to turn the program around. Well, honestly, you have two
Speaker 7: to three now to turn it around because with the portal,
Speaker 7: if you're given I mean, and I hate to say it,
Speaker 7: it's about two things. It's about money and relationships. And
Speaker 7: I said money first, because before it was about relationships.
Speaker 7: That's not what people ask you know, kids asking if
Speaker 7: you get take ten kids. You know, before it was
Speaker 7: about the relationship with the players, how do you get along?
Speaker 7: That's not what they asked first anymore. Whether it's the athlete,
Speaker 7: their parents, they're agent, their handler, that's what they want
Speaker 7: to know. And I'm sure the things with the guy
Speaker 7: like I had a former coach call me this past
Speaker 7: week and I might have been Friday night, and after coaching,
Speaker 7: he was a Division one coach, he worked for me
Speaker 7: and then was head coach at Hawaii and University of
Speaker 7: San Francisco and then administrator, but very much involved in
Speaker 7: the NCAA still, And he said to me, he said, Joan,
Speaker 7: do you know what's going on? You know, most of
Speaker 7: the bigger time players, both on the men and women,
Speaker 7: have agents. Now, so Steve, let's say I'm recruiting you,
Speaker 7: and let's say I'm the agent. In order for me
Speaker 7: to talk to you, and this is what's going on.
Speaker 7: I've got to pay the agent first before I can
Speaker 7: talk to you. I mean, it's it's just craziness. It
Speaker 7: just it's just crazy. This is what's going on.
Speaker 3: With that said, go ahead, David, I was gonna just
Speaker 3: say what, So what what do you think is happening
Speaker 3: inside McHale when they have, you know, no coach and
Speaker 3: a lot of players have left. I mean, is it
Speaker 3: a how are they going to do this? How are
Speaker 3: they going to fill these spots? And where are they
Speaker 3: looking at?
Speaker 4: Plays?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think Desiree and has a committee and I
Speaker 7: think they're looking at some good people, you know. I
Speaker 7: really thought it was gonna be Lindy Larroque from un
Speaker 7: l D. And I know Lindy very well. I know
Speaker 7: her dad. I recruited her very very heavy to Arizona
Speaker 7: and she ended up going to Stanford. Her dad's a
Speaker 7: very very famous high school coach in Las Vegas and
Speaker 7: very close to Lout and his family. I mean he
Speaker 7: used to come here and work for Loot, he worked
Speaker 7: for me, and Lindy came to camp and Lindy's done
Speaker 7: really well at UNLV. I really thought that was a
Speaker 7: done deal, and because plus Desiree hired her there. But
Speaker 7: she decided not to go. She has two little kids
Speaker 7: or parents are there. There's going to be someone good,
Speaker 7: you know, hopefully, you know, I said to Desiree. She
Speaker 7: called me and I said, what are the She asked me,
Speaker 7: some quality you know now, you know, I want someone
Speaker 7: you know, if you can. Now this is different because
Speaker 7: I said, this, sir, has head coaches. I'd rather have
Speaker 7: a head coach that's a great recruiter, proven recruiter. Don't
Speaker 7: rely on your assistance. You want your assistance to recruit.
Speaker 7: But honestly, it's the first thing is recruiting, particularly with
Speaker 7: the portal and everything.
Speaker 16: But you know, and she said to me, Joan, you.
Speaker 7: Know, Tommy Lloyd wasn't a head coach and neither was
Speaker 7: a dear And I said, you're right, But I said,
Speaker 7: I got hired by said Dempsey, and everyone he hired
Speaker 7: pretty much were head coaches. And it's not that she can't.
Speaker 7: I'm and everyone has to start somewhere. But that's just
Speaker 7: my you know, And I'm not on the committee, but
Speaker 7: I'm just saying from the outside looking in, because then
Speaker 7: you've got someone who's proven, you know, when you hire
Speaker 7: a new coach, I mean, it's it's a wild card,
Speaker 7: you know, really, because it's hard to know how they're
Speaker 7: going to handle things. But honestly, in today's world, you know,
Speaker 7: you want to be compensated as a coach because it's
Speaker 7: this is a hard job. But Honestly, nowadays it's on
Speaker 7: the you know how much money you're going to have
Speaker 7: for nil And what this was five years ago is
Speaker 7: completely different than it is today. And whether that's fair
Speaker 7: or what this is the reality of what's going on.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you.
Speaker 2: I asked Rhino this yesterday, but I have to preface
Speaker 2: it with the statement here. So Sean was here, a miller,
Speaker 2: was here for a long time off, so he got
Speaker 2: some great recruits. He had Stanley Johnson coming in for
Speaker 2: that one year and vallelyhood recruit as we all know,
Speaker 2: came in and there was a chance that he was
Speaker 2: going to come off the bench initially, and one of
Speaker 2: the reporters in the room says, Sean, Stanley's not starting
Speaker 2: right now. Are you concerned that he's not going to
Speaker 2: be happy? And Sean turned around and said, I'm the coach.
Speaker 2: It's not my job to make him happy. Do we
Speaker 2: live in a time now when coaches, let's say you
Speaker 2: were a coach, you have to start making or having
Speaker 2: these kids happy because you know they're going to bolt
Speaker 2: either for unhappiness or money.
Speaker 7: Well, I've never coached under those circumstances, you know, Steve,
Speaker 7: So you know, I'm very close to watching not just Arizona,
Speaker 7: but a lot of teams, you know, to watch how
Speaker 7: they handle it. I think some people handle it better
Speaker 7: than others. But they're going through this like everyone else.
Speaker 7: And I think it's on relationships still, but it's on money.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if you guys saw this, but
Speaker 7: this is now about five six weeks ago, I watched
Speaker 7: sixty Minutes and Danny Hurley from Yukon was on, you know,
Speaker 7: and his brother Bobby is obviously at ASU. His dad's
Speaker 7: very famous. But Danny Hurley won up till this year,
Speaker 7: back to back championship, so obviously very successful, but a
Speaker 7: different He's a different kind of guy. I mean, just
Speaker 7: be honest of all the things. He said there. So
Speaker 7: this is six weeks ago, he said, and I was
Speaker 7: like stunned. He said, So, let's say this is like
Speaker 7: only February when it was filmed, or mid February. He said,
Speaker 7: I know right now on my player roster, there are
Speaker 7: players that are ready to go in the portal. There
Speaker 7: are players that have already talked and know what school
Speaker 7: they're going for, and they also know how much money
Speaker 7: they're getting. Okay, Like I was stunned when I heard that.
Speaker 7: But this is the reality. You know, you're the coach
Speaker 7: of the roster you have. Your job is to you know,
Speaker 7: have a good culture and bring them together and win
Speaker 7: as many games doing things right way. It's just that
Speaker 7: things are not the same. You know, what someone may
Speaker 7: tell a player, or a parent or their handler might
Speaker 7: tell you to you know, one day, it's changed the
Speaker 7: next day. So I think you just got to, you know,
Speaker 7: handle things the way you have right now, try to
Speaker 7: make it the best they can. But it's about money,
Speaker 7: and it really is. I mean, I'm a parent and
Speaker 7: now I have a granddaughter. I just became a grandparent.
Speaker 7: But if my granddaughter and it's a little girl, and
Speaker 7: when she turns eighteen, whatever sport or whatever, if she
Speaker 7: gets offered a scholarship and they offer ten thousand dollars
Speaker 7: and it's a good coach, but someone else is offering
Speaker 7: a quarter million and they're a good coach, well, I
Speaker 7: hate to tell you what I'm gonna tell you, know,
Speaker 7: I mean, this is it's just the way it is,
Speaker 7: and whether that's fair or not, that's the way it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure I bet you that ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: You don't miss this stuff.
Speaker 7: No, it's just that we're living in a different world
Speaker 7: and and what you want to do. I mean, and
Speaker 7: it's easier for me to say it, but what I
Speaker 7: did is I wanted to win my conference for Pack ten.
Speaker 7: We should we want it once, I really want we
Speaker 7: should have won it twice. I mean, we had every opportunity.
Speaker 7: But you want as a coach the resources to compete
Speaker 7: in your conference in win it and be successful. And
Speaker 7: then if you're you know, if you bring in good players,
Speaker 7: tend to compete and win a national title or you know,
Speaker 7: those are things are hard to do, but you want
Speaker 7: to be competitive. So you got to look at what
Speaker 7: other people are doing. So let's top Big twelve because
Speaker 7: I know this because I asked the coach. Right now,
Speaker 7: I know TCU winning because you've got a coach there.
Speaker 7: He's only been there two years, completely changed the roster.
Speaker 7: I don't think he had much nil money two years ago, okay,
Speaker 7: but this year he had about a million dollars in
Speaker 7: nil money, and I know a quarter million of that
Speaker 7: was given the Maddie Connor. I'm not sure how much
Speaker 7: Sedonah Prince Scott, but he got a lot, and Haley
Speaker 7: Van Lift got a heck of a lot, and he
Speaker 7: had to pay other kids. But I think he's gotten
Speaker 7: more than that right now. So that's Big twelve that
Speaker 7: they won the conference, they won the conference tournament, they
Speaker 7: went to the Elite eight. Now he's going to have
Speaker 7: a lot of new players. In fact, you know, I
Speaker 7: don't haven't looked today, but he's in on one of
Speaker 7: the big ones from Notre Dame, probably one of the
Speaker 7: top ones in the conference.
Speaker 2: I think she's going I think I heard this morning
Speaker 2: that she's gone there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Wow, So I want to tell you she's not going
Speaker 7: for free.
Speaker 12: Though.
Speaker 7: Hey, Joe, so this is it's not Is this fair? No,
Speaker 7: But this is the reality we're in. And so for
Speaker 7: let's go back to Arizona. Does Arizona can build a roster.
Speaker 7: They have to do this fairly quickly. If they get
Speaker 7: a head coach, maybe an assistant, they can bring some
Speaker 7: people from that team potentially if they had a good experience.
Speaker 7: And uh, and you're paying them, and but yes, this is.
Speaker 4: Where we're at, Joe.
Speaker 2: We got to go. We already way over. But with you,
Speaker 2: it was good, good stuff for you. We couldn't cut
Speaker 2: you off. Thank you, thank you this great stuff.
Speaker 7: Okay, you guys have a great day.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you talking with me. Yes, thank you, Joe. We
Speaker 2: got to go come back. Got about ten minutes left
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Speaker 15: the Ball with Steve Ramira on Fox Sports fourteen fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here a
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty I'm Steve, you're Dave. And we
Speaker 2: got about seven minutes, very little time, but it was
Speaker 2: it was hard to not hard to cut her off,
Speaker 2: because she was doing some great stuff, telling us a
Speaker 2: lot of good stuff.
Speaker 4: She was rolling along. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3: She's she would never go back into coaching, obviously at
Speaker 3: the stage of her life now she's got a grandchild.
Speaker 4: And things like that.
Speaker 3: But it would have been interesting to see how she
Speaker 3: handled something like this, So what is your number one takeaway? Well,
Speaker 3: Matty Connor number was pretty big. I'm just never and
Speaker 3: I didn't know whymen were getting that kind of money.
Speaker 4: Quarter of a million dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well again, she's going to going to the great
Speaker 3: State of Texas, where you wonder what Adia's stepping into,
Speaker 3: uh when she goes to SMU.
Speaker 4: But that was a good one, you know.
Speaker 3: I think again, we've seen a lot of coaches in
Speaker 3: the last five years just stepping away because of all
Speaker 3: the changes and it's just not the way it was,
Speaker 3: and both football and basketball especially, so you know, she's
Speaker 3: that generation to go, so I don't think she would
Speaker 3: be happy with the way they.
Speaker 2: God she she changed the changed too. I hadn't heard this.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a story that I never really knew
Speaker 2: about with Lisa Leslie to commit great story. But the
Speaker 2: coach Lopez, who I think the world of Andy Lopis,
Speaker 2: decided at sixty two, I think it was sixty maybe
Speaker 2: sixty three to get out of the business. He called
Speaker 2: it flipping. I just can't deal with the flipping. The
Speaker 2: people you know, say yes and I don't committed to you,
Speaker 2: and then the flipping Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would have a hard time with that too, not only.
Speaker 3: The flipping, but also when they get here and then
Speaker 3: you know, they're here for a year and no I
Speaker 3: don't like things and they're gone. I mean, it just
Speaker 3: disrupts any type of rhythm you had and any type
Speaker 3: of you know, plans you may have had for your program.
Speaker 3: It's it really is like from year to year, it's
Speaker 3: you just don't have these like three or four year
Speaker 3: plans you can put in place.
Speaker 2: Especially if that player is a cornerstone person that you
Speaker 2: were relying on to change the direction of their.
Speaker 3: Program, right you know picture, I mean, I know that
Speaker 3: the chip Hale had to basically replace his entire pitching
Speaker 3: staff from last year. It got to the post and
Speaker 3: they're good. They're having a great season. They're playing tonight.
Speaker 3: By the way, are they against New Mexico State over
Speaker 3: at High Corbett?
Speaker 2: So I think great. I can't go any place near that.
Speaker 2: They're probably asked me for tuition money from forty years ago.
Speaker 4: Any wait, we got a bill. Are you the rivera again?
Speaker 4: Who still alws those forty biks for that parking? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So they played tonight, they played this. I saw them
Speaker 2: over the weekend issue. I think they got beaten that
Speaker 2: game that I saw, but.
Speaker 4: They won too out of three. Yeah, the issues they've
Speaker 4: been playing great? Well were we talking?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean just the quality of players that
Speaker 3: are you know, they pick up and they go, or
Speaker 3: they get drafted or I mean there's so many things,
Speaker 3: especially in baseball where you know what, you know, in
Speaker 3: the old days, you had to be on campus I
Speaker 3: think for three years maybe and then you could get drafted.
Speaker 4: Nowadays, who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'll just keep switching schools and get drafted.
Speaker 2: Eventually, the other thing that caught me is that she
Speaker 2: didn't want to take her players from this school the
Speaker 2: Long Beach to U of A, which, of course now
Speaker 2: it's like common that they do that, right, And she
Speaker 2: would have made this place a pretty heck of a
Speaker 2: tough place to play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and don't that yeah, because I can't remember that.
Speaker 3: I mean again, she stepped into a conference that was
Speaker 3: filled with you know, blue bloods, with obviously Stanford and
Speaker 3: USC U c l A. Eventually, Oregon got good, Oregon
Speaker 3: State got pretty pretty, Washington, I mean really everywhere throughout
Speaker 3: the conference, teams had their have their had their moments
Speaker 3: in the last say, twenty years, but you know when
Speaker 3: she arrived it was a different time.
Speaker 4: You know, who knows what was expected of her thirty
Speaker 4: four years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah she was, but she was, you know, really prominent
Speaker 3: in that old PC double A and logging state and
Speaker 3: getting her teams into the nc DOUAA tournament basically every year.
Speaker 3: She had this great resume, and you know she hung
Speaker 3: on here for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't answer my question though about about the
Speaker 2: player if if if to keep them happy? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: she get at around it. She gave me a good
Speaker 2: answer obviously, but not directly.
Speaker 4: To that question. What is happiness these days?
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing, especially if they're getting paid, David,
Speaker 2: they're getting paid x amount of money a quarter of
Speaker 2: a million dollars and you're happy, but you could make
Speaker 2: a little bit more wink wink, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to be said for happiness. But yeah,
Speaker 2: but when you're twenty one years old, after you're getting
Speaker 2: two fifty and you're gonna get three hundred, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, five years ago, happiness was playing time.
Speaker 3: It seemed like that was basically it. Or you know,
Speaker 3: do I get along with my coaches and things like that,
Speaker 3: or do I like the school things like, you know,
Speaker 3: things that you basically thought about as a college student
Speaker 3: or as a college athlete, but nowadays you got this
Speaker 3: this dollar sign hanging over you, and like some coach
Speaker 3: looks at her and go, wow, she's only making you know,
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand at Arizona.
Speaker 4: I could pay her triple that.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: One of the things in that thing that you still
Speaker 2: have to approve. I read and you partly read it
Speaker 2: better than I did. And I just saw a glance
Speaker 2: of things that you know on Twitter that the attorneys
Speaker 2: are now or the judges are now going to make
Speaker 2: it available where the coaches can fire the kids, they
Speaker 2: can fire them, they can fire them. That's what it
Speaker 2: seemed like, at least that's how I read it. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong, but you know what, in reality, that's
Speaker 2: kind of what they've done in the past. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: think you're better suited somewhere else. And then so they
Speaker 2: sit out the year or they play the year and
Speaker 2: they're gone, you know what I'm saying, Or they don't
Speaker 2: make them happy or whatever. Did you ever meet did
Speaker 2: you ever see the movie One on One with with
Speaker 2: Henry Steel and with.
Speaker 4: Rob Rob Benson. Yeah, back in the day, I probably
Speaker 4: saw it.
Speaker 2: And you know the guy trying to run him off,
Speaker 2: try to run him off, and try to run him
Speaker 2: off until he saved his butt in the championship game
Speaker 2: or whatever it was, and now he loved him right,
Speaker 2: and the guy just said, I don't need this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like I said before, you know, there's there's a it's
Speaker 3: a it's a different time. And it's interesting that the
Speaker 3: dollar figure seems to be as important as anything else
Speaker 3: playing time. You know, I can go make money going
Speaker 3: somewhere else and I'll still get the same amount of
Speaker 3: playing time. It's kind of a shame, but that's really
Speaker 3: what it is. And especially if you're a fan. I mean,
Speaker 3: you just we don't know what Arizona basketball is gonna
Speaker 3: look like next year.
Speaker 4: You already got to go this.
Speaker 2: Take a quick first hour, which was obviously good when
Speaker 2: we have a good first hour. So we'll come back,
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Speaker 2: talk to Aaron Torres later