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Really appreciate you listening. Tonight's guest wish is to remain anonymous.
With that in mind, we're just gonna call her Randy.
Let's bring her in here now, Randy, thanks so much
for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know you're welcome. Randy. Please give us a
brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I've lived in Colorado most of my life. I'm
forty one, I think, yeah, forty one. I have two kids,
two boys, they're teenagers now, and I work all the time,
so I don't have a whole lot of time, you know,
to spend it home, but you know, make make do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what it's like when you work all
the time. Seems like any time off is a holiday.
I feel for you, I really do. Let's set a
baseline here, what were your thoughts about the existence of
cryptids before you had that encounter that we're going to
talk about tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, never really. Well, I guess when I was like four,
I thought that I had had some like paranormal experiences.
But again I was four, so I was like, well,
I was probably imagining it or whatever, but I don't know.
I mean, I always thought there was probably some stuff
out there, but never you know, I always would would
think about like Bigfoot or whatever. You know, my grandma
had said that she saw Bigfoot she lived in Idaho,
but I had never seen anything weird until twenty eleven,
So that's I guess I was really open. I mean,
I wasn't like a super skeptic or anything like that,
but I'd never seen anything with my own eyes, so
I didn't really truly believe anything. You know, at that time.
Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't make any different from most people. You
really didn't have any reason to believe that things like
this could be out there, that is, until you actually
saw one that night, So it doesn't make any different
from most people. You'd never shared all the details of
your encounter with anyone until we had our first conversation.
From what I understand, why did you decide to keep
it in and not put it out there with at
least family members.
Speaker 1: Well, I've told some of my family members, but not many,
just my kids and like my mom pretty much. And
then the person who was with me that night. Of course,
we talked about it that night. But I don't know.
I guess people Well, I'm sure you know how people are, well,
you know, I mean a lot. I guess a lot
of people are just I don't know, like you know,
I guess fear of not being believed or you know, yeah,
ye had.
Speaker 2: To fear that your family members that you didn't tell
about the experience, that they were going to laugh at
you and make fun of you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they'd think I was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, unfortunately, that's pretty common a lot of people.
They keep their encounters in It's like a prison with
no walls, That's how I put it. Because here you
have this experience that you'd really benefit from being able
to put out there and talk about, but you can't
in a lot of cases because of what you just mentioned,
the fear of being derided and being the punchline that
every family get together. It's really a shame that you
have to worry about something like that when you have
a dog me an encounter. But in most cases, you know,
that's what you get. When you had your encounter in
November of twenty eleven, you said that you noticed something
strange before it actually happened. Please expand on that for us.
Speaker 1: Well, it was nighttime, so in you know, out in
the middle of nowhere kind of uh, you know, it
gets really dark, so you can see the stars and everything.
But it wasn't just the stars up there. It was
there was a lot of lights in the sky. And
I mean I know that, you know, at least a
couple of them were you know, I noticed we're planes,
but there were more than just that. It was, I
don't know, there was a lot of like blinking going on,
and you know, different colors. I don't know, it was
really weird. I pointed it out to who I was with,
and you know, he said, oh, yeah, like that's that
is pretty weird, you know, and I haven't since then
seen anything quite like that. I mean, it was there's
just a lot of sky activity. It was really strange.
I'm not sure if that had anything to do with
it at all, but it was definitely something. I remember
you were in my mind.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask if you think the two
might have been connected. There have been quite a few
eyewitnesses who had an encounter with a dog man or
a sasquatch and not long after that they saw UFO
or something happened along those lines, which it really does
make you wonder if there is a connection, But of
course that's something we're never going to have the answer to.
All we can do is, yes, that night when you
had your encounter, you had your two boys with you.
How old were they back then?
Speaker 1: Let's see they were one of them was one and
another the other one was three?
Speaker 2: Really young man. Yeah, yeah, so they're so young that
I'm sure even the three year old doesn't remember anything
about that night, does he?
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2: You said that you told them about your encounter. How
did they respond though? When you did that?
Speaker 1: You know, they they believe me. We're really close, so
you know, they they believe me, and they know, you know,
they know when I'm really serious. I joke a lot,
like a lot a lot, like I'm a clown, but
like they totally know that that, you know, that's not
a joke and I was very dead serious. But yeah,
I do believe that they truly believe me.
Speaker 2: Well that's good. Do this seem to be glad that
you told them, or pretty indifferent about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially my older one. He loves it when I
tell him, you know, anything about you know, my past
experiences and stuff. And yeah, he every now and again
he'll ask me about that, you know, he'll bring it
up again, you know, and and ask me more questions
about it, and we talk about it sometimes. Still, Well, it's.
Speaker 2: Always good to have someone to do that with, it,
really is. Now. I get the idea, the impression that
you might want to keep your friend's identity secret as well,
and with that in mind, reveal as little as you
want to to answer this next question. I'm basically wondering,
what can you tell us about that friend who was
with you that night.
Speaker 1: Well, he lived right down the street from me at
the time, about a mile away, and you know, he
lived in that house for fifteen to twenty years. I
believe his parents owned it, and he lived there for
a very very very long time. And two months after
this happened, he just abruptly moved out of it there,
you know, And I didn't really hear much from him
after this incident. We talked about it that night and
then never spoke about it again, but about a month afterwards,
you know, like it was just hard to get a
hold of him, and you know, we kind of lost contact.
So the only connection I have now is a friend
of mine who still talks to him, and she has
tried to bring it up to him, and he just
shuts her down, like he will not he refuses to
talk about it.
Speaker 2: So it might seem like it was a case of
him moving away made it inconvenient to stand contact with you,
but it really could go the other way as well.
Which way do you think it is? Do you think
you lost contact with him because he moved away and
it wasn't as convenient to speak with you, or do
you think he associated you with that encounter what happened
that night and speaking with you thinking about you brought
up bad memories about what happened that night, and that's
why you decided to be so distant.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of both. But I do
know that you know, we started losing contact before he moved, so.
Speaker 2: Well, that could go two ways too. I mean, if
he did associate you with that encounter and thinking about
that encounter was the last thing he wanted to do
the moment it happened, he might have decided to distance
himself from you. But hopefully that's not the case. Hopefully
it's just something else that caused that to happen. But
whatever the reason, I'm just so sorry to hear that
you did lose contact with him like that. That's too bad.
All right, Randy, please tell us all about your encounter. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: So, like I, like I said, the sky was you know,
a bit active, and we were gone our way back
from the store when I had noticed that it was
about you know, between nine and nine thirty. It was
really dark though, it being November and all in Colorado,
and he had five dogs. So the setting is like
when I say in the middle of nowhere, I mean
there's a store down the road, like maybe fifteen minutes
down the road. But and there's not a lot of houses.
There's like, you know, each each house there's like sporadically
there will be like a street here and there. Mostly
it's just like farm farming. You know, there's a lot
of cows. There's small patches of like you know woods
here and there, but it's not like a thick foresty
area it's just you know, there's a lot of cows
out here, and there's a lot of you know, horses
and farm animals and things. And the properties are pretty
spread out, so sporadically you'll see a street here and there,
and then on those streets, each property has approximately you know,
like one and a half to two acres, you know,
and there'll be maybe like six or seven, six to
ten probably houses on each street out here. So the
street he lived on, I didn't tell you this before either,
but it was. It's on a dirt road, and he
was about three quarters of the way down the street
is where his house was. Well, the neighbors, Okay, so
he has five dogs at the time. He has five dogs,
and they're all like in a you know, pretty large
chain fence area. That and these I've never ever, like
the whole time I knew him, I never heard none
of the dogs bark or you know anything like. They
are very calm and well behaved and quiet. You don't
even barely notice they're there. Really. Well, the neighbors that
are closest to him have a lit up pathway, so
like their whole driveway there was like little small you
know lights, you know, lighting up the whole pathway of
their driveway, which is how I saw that. But first
before I saw that, So we pull in the dogs.
They are barking their heads off, They're all freaking out,
and you know, we're like, wow, that's that's really weird.
You know. We had a little discussion about that because
he was like, yeah, I don't really hardly ever hear
him bark either, you know, but they were freaking out, panicking,
and it made me on edge, like, you know, a
little uneasy. So I grabbed the boys and one of
them I was on my hip, the other one I
was holding his hand, and we walked up the porch steps.
I took them. I went to go take them inside,
and I come back out to help carry some stuff in,
and tr Trey was kind of on edge like already,
so he was kind of like scoping the place out
a little bit, you know. He he kind of was
trying to walk around the trailer to see like what,
you know, if he could see anything that was out
there or once I brought the boys inside, the dogs,
I don't remember here, like I don't know if it
was like I don't really remember how like, you know,
if it was instant or what. But they they went silent.
I mean they weren't making any noises at all. They
were perfectly still, which was even more weird because like
they were just freaking out, like really bad. When Tray
was almost like he was about halfway down one side
of the trailer to like, you know, see what was
going on. I was like right outside of the you know,
the front door at this time, and I saw him
creeping around the you know, trailer, and we hear this
like really long, deep, you know, growl, I guess, and
it was like it was like coming from everywhere. It
wasn't even you cannot pinpoint anywhere like close to where
it might be coming from. I mean, it literally was
just surrounding you, like it was coming from like everywhere.
So we look at each other, our eyes got all big,
and by the time he makes it almost to the
end of the trailer, the neighbor's lit up pathway, I
saw like a silhouette, so like I did not see
any details or but what I would describe it as
is like a long like long bodied, large large bodied
I guess it reminded me of a greyhound for some reason,
but a greyhound dog like and he was running on
all fours up the lit up pathway. And I'm like
not exaggerating when I say this, Like when he was
running on all fours, about halfway up the pathway, he
went from four feet running to standing up on two
feet and then continued to run and didn't slow down
or anything to like make that transition. And it was
like really really like I almost I had to like question,
like what the heck I was like if I was
really seeing that. But again I was not the only
one that saw that, so really shortly after that, you know,
he kind of followed me inside and we discussed it.
I didn't end up going home that night, but I
know I've heard a lot of like people who ever
described like when they've you know, witnessed anything like the
transition from four legs to two feet. I would hear
like usually there's like a some crackling of bones or
like you know, it's kind of a you know, a
whole ordeal for the transition. But in this case, that
was not like that. It was literally four feet running
and and transitioning to two feet running like without missing
a beat like whatsoever. It was incredibly incredibly strange and
at the time, I didn't even consider like a dog
man or anything, because at the time I had no
clue that that even existed. I I would have. I
mean at the time, like, really, what was going through
my mind was did I just see like a werewolf?
Like what in the world, you know, did I just see?
And I mean every single day of my life since then,
I have thought about that experience every single day. For
a long time, I was really terrified to go outside,
especially at night, which I'm not sure why, because I,
you know, you know, scary things. If they're there at night,
I'm sure they're probably there during the daytime too. But
for the longest time, I was really fearful. But then
I just it just started getting very fascinating. I guess,
like I started doing a little research. I didn't start
doing research till years later, though, I don't know why,
but I did think about it every day. But then
a few years later I started doing a bunch of research,
and I was like looking at like werewolves and like
sightings of werewolves, and and then I was like, well,
just like dog man, you know, like a man that's
a dog or a dog man half man half dog,
you know. And then I found your show, and that's
when I started listening and realized that, Wow, there's like, way, way,
way more people out there that like have seen stuff
similar to that than I ever would have imagined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you only knew, there are tons and tons
I'll bet you know people who've had encounters with dog
men that you don't realize they've had these encounters because
of course they haven't put it out there that they
have those experiences. But yeah, these encounters are far from
a very rare thing. It's not like they're common. I
wouldn't say they're common, but they do happen a lot
more than most people would ever believe. It could have
so easily stayed hidden from you. Why do you think
it made its presence known to you the way it did.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. At the time, I was like,
oh my gosh, he was probably whatever that was was
probably going to eat the dogs or something, you know,
or I don't know, But like I guess, the more
I think about it, you know, I really don't know,
but I really can tell you. The one thing though,
is that I don't regret having that experience though, because
it's I don't know, it's it fascinates me really, especially nowadays,
instead of you know, yeah, it definitely fascinates me. Fascinating thing.
Speaker 2: Well, if you can say that, that's a good thing.
Have there been any negative things that have come along
with that? You said that you're glad that you had
that experience, which tends to make me think it's almost
all been positive blowback from it. Have there been any
negative things that have come out of this?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, definitely, especially right like very soon after, Like
I was just it put a lot of fear in me.
But and nowadays it's not so much me, Like I'm
not really worried about me. I like worry about my
kids because they love to go on walks and they
really love to go on walks when it's dark outside
for some reason. So and that picture pops in my
head when they do, you know, it just the picts
the visual of what I saw, you know, enters my mind.
So a lot of times, you know, when they're hey, Mom,
I'm going to go out for a walk, you know,
and I'm just like, oh my gosh, here, can you
take this mace with you? You know? But but yeah, wait,
you were what you were telling me the last time
we talked was actually really helpful.
Speaker 2: What you mean about me heading into the big woods
and walking miles and miles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that and you know the instructions that like, if
you see one, you know what you should do.
Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm glad that helped you. How far into
the woods do these guys walk at night time?
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of woods, like well, where
there is, there's a small patch of woods, like well,
it's a pretty small patch of woods, like basically in
our backyard. But they walk usually the other direction, which
is not not woods but still a lot of farm
animals and stuff. And I imagine that's you know, probably
maybe what drew the creature out here. I don't know,
but but yeah, it's just dark, just darkness.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, but yeah, they'll go like a half a mile,
you know, three quarters of a mile, sometimes you a mile.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't have to be in the woods to
have a dog mean encounter any place outdoors that's their playground,
especially at nighttime. You know, after our first conversation, I
should have asked for more clarity on this, but from
some of the things that you said in that conversation,
I kind of got the impression that you had the mindset,
at least up until the point where we spoke there,
I got the impression you had the mindset that as
long as you're inside, as long as the boys were inside,
everything was good. That was a safe place. But later
on in that conversation I shed light on the fact
that if they wanted to come into your home and
get you, they could. But the fact that all these
years later you haven't had a dog. Main problem is
everything to do with the fact that they don't want
to come into your home and get you. They don't
want to get your period. Before we had the conversation,
did you have that mindset that inside your home was
a safe place from them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess it's like a natural thing. But yeah,
I mean I have actually thought of that before, Like, yeah,
I'm pretty sure that if it really wanted to, you know,
it could just kick down a wall. You know, these
are not very strong walls, And that does come to
my mind every every now and again. But yeah, for
the most part, I did feel pretty safe in here.
It was very rare that I would realize that, come
to that realization. But yeah, you pointed that out, and yeah,
you are absolutely right, just as unsafe in here pretty
much as out there.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. Now for some people that's really unnerving when
I shed light on that fact. But I mean, you'd
be better off not living a lie knowing the truth
of the matter than living a lie and not realizing
that if they did want to come in and get
you they could. But like I hammered home in that
conversation with you, yes, it's true if they wanted to
come in, they could, but if at all this time,
but they haven't done that for the best possible reason,
and that's because they don't want to come in and
get you. So I just wanted to make sure you
clearly understood that. Now. You said that it had a
body like a greyhound, but how would you describe its head?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I didn't really like when I by
the way, when I when I I forgot to mention that, uh,
when I mean, when I say greyhound, I meant like
a long haired, like a you know, long bodied, long
haired like greyhound. You know. But I guess now that
I think of it and look back, I don't know
I just attached greyhound to it back then. I don't
know why, because I mean, it wasn't scrawny or anything.
It had you know, quite a bit of it looked
like it was like you know, had quite a bit
of hair, like long hair. I couldn't see like details.
I could tell it was like a big and long,
you know, like tall, you know, especially when it stood
up on two feet while it was running, you know
it you know tall, you know. But I guess I
can't really I can't really remember like the head too
much as far as like, I can't really remember you
know too much about that because since I only saw
the silhouette, you know, but it definitely was a dog
of some sort like a canine or you know, definitely
there's no mistake in that for sure, But I don't
really know. Yeah, it's hard to remember when I didn't
really see too much detail, you know, just a silhouette.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't be folded for that. You see something
like out there like that out there that's not supposed
to exist, your brain's gonna short circuit. I think you
deserve a lot of credit for observing what you did,
for noticing details you did, so, yeah, you can't be
foulded for that at all. Did you see enough detail? Though?
And again, if you didn't no big deal. It's understandable.
But did you see enough details to be able to
tell if the hair on its head might have been
longer or the same length as on the rest of
its body?
Speaker 1: Well, I think like so from what I remember, like
the like around the I guess a part of my
brain must remember a part of the head or something,
because I remember I do remember some like longer hair,
like I guess where you know, like the jaw area,
you know, like the sides of the face or the
jaw area or something. You know, like I remember it
being bigger there, you know, bushier or bigger.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, did a really good job noticing
that and all those other details? You really did. Now
you dove headlong into the whole cryptid top after you
had that experience. But how long was it before you
actually were able to hang a name on what it
was that you saw that night?
Speaker 1: A few years at least, like probably I don't know,
maybe like four years at least, I think, Wow.
Speaker 2: About four years? Did that either? Weigh at you? Were
you frustrated, wanting to know more than anything what it
was that you saw? You I'm sure you knew there
had to be a name for what it was that
you saw, but where you're really frustrated by that not knowing?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'll tell you I thought, for the like
longest time, I in my head, I chalked it up
to being, well, you know, there definitely obviously was like
a government experiment gone wrong, you know, or something like
something got loose that you know they created or you know,
That's that's pretty much where my mind went.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a lot of people they wonder things like
that after seeing one of these guys. So again, that
doesn't make you any different from a lot of other
eyewitnesses either, It really doesn't. Now you said that there
has been some negative blowback from this from that experience,
Does that mean you've had recurring nightmares or no trouble
with nightmares?
Speaker 1: I haven't really had not to speak of. No, I
haven't really had any nightmares. Uh. I have for some reason,
more nightmares about tornadoes than anything. But I haven't really
had any nightmares. But it's like every waking moment, you know,
like there was there was a point in time where
I mean it consumed my all my thoughts, like it
where I couldn't stop thinking about it, Which is really
surprising that I I didn't really have any nightmares to
speak of, but but yeah, I mean when I was awake,
it was definitely on my mind all the time.
Speaker 2: No, I believe it. Did you get sick of the
fact that it was on your mind all the time,
or because you're interested in this whole cryptic topic. Was
that okay with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I got, I got so, I guess, like so
curious that it deeply frustrated me. I'll put it that way,
very deeply frustrated me, because it was just what in
the world was that? Like it just drove me insane
not knowing what it was, and like, you know, where
is it now? And yeah, it was very a little
bit frustrating, But.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's totally natural. You've been living a lie ever
since you learned how to understand the spoken word. It's
been hammered into your head that things like dog men
can't be out there, they don't exist. So one day,
or more accurately, I should say, one night, you have
an experience, we actually see one of these guys. And
then when that happened, it turned all that up on
its ear. If these guys are out there, than what
else might be out there? So the fact that you
have been living a lie. It's going to really throw
you for a loop. It's only natural that you're going
to obsess on that the way you have. As long
as you don't let that really negatively affect your life,
then it's not that bad of a thing. Which I'm
glad that you didn't let that ruin your life or
even negatively affect your life. Thank goodness for that. But
you know, what you went through totally normal when it
comes to a dog mean an encounter. Now, you don't
have to answer this next question if you'd like to
then by all means. But again there's no pressure to
What I'm wondering though, is how far do you live
now from where you live back then when you have
that encounter at your friends?
Speaker 1: Now, I still live in the same kind of like
I guess town but not really a town. But I
still live in the same you know, zip code, but
it's a little farther away now, so I'm like seven
miles away from where that happened. And but I drive
by there, like you know, all the time.
Speaker 2: So do you get goosebumps when you do?
Speaker 1: I do sometimes, especially when you know, I mean I
sometimes you know, not sometimes but this one time, a
couple months ago, I did see some like this was
really close to it was maybe a quarter of a
mile from the road that this happened on, and this
like deer that was mangled on the side of the road.
Not by a car, it was obviously not by a car,
but definitely all you you know, the head and the spleen,
and that was pretty much it. And the legs were
over over there somewhere, you know, like a few feet away.
Maybe a couple of the legs were still there, I
think two of the legs or something, but everything else
was gone. I mean, the spleen was like pretty clean,
you know, there was a little blood. It was fresh too,
because I'd just been on that road. Sometimes I take
two different ways to town, but I take that way often,
and I don't know why, maybe curiosity, I don't know,
but I do take that way often. And I was
on that road a couple of days prior and it
wasn't there, So I definitely would have noticed something like
that if it was there. But find it funny that
it was just really close to where that was.
Speaker 2: He sent me that picture of that dear carcass. Whatever
said in on it did a number on it. They
really picked that thing clean. It really did. Now, I
know you want to be anonymous, but I see in
the live chat a few times the listeners have been
asking about the location where this happened. Now, there's no
pressure to be specific on this whatsoever. But it's up
to you. If you want to reveal a general area
where this encounter happened, have that it. If you don't
want to do that, that's totally fine. Again, it's totally
up to you.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, I really, Peyton, Colorado.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to make sure that you knew
there wasn't any pressure on you for that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Okay. Good. You told your mom about your experience, and
when you did, she had some surprising news to share
with you. From what I understand, please talk us through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She actually told me that her and my dad
were camping many years ago when and they saw like
this very up She was up in the Rocky mountains
when this happened. But she saw this incredibly like unnatural
and naturally large, large, large dog. She just had the
head like she when she was describing it to me,
she like put her hands out like really big. She
was just like a head. There was no way, you know,
but it was really really really big and like really
really tall, like but it and she said it was
sitting down on its butt. But but sitting down on
its butt. She was like, I think it was probably
taller than me. And you know, she got really scared,
like spooked, and you know, she went back to camp.
And I don't really know my dad, he's he's really
super like a very like even if you slapped him
in the face with something, you know, he would deny it. So,
you know, when I asked him about it, he was
just like, yeah, it's just a really big dog, you know.
But I don't know. It makes me wonder if it
really was just a really big dog or if it
was you know, because I mean it was in the
middle of the forest, like the middle of the rocky mountains,
like just a dog, just a huge dog, like a
giant dog. That's all she saw though, that it was
just sitting down, and then she quickly made her way
back to camp. So what was.
Speaker 2: Going through your mind when she finally told you about
that experience.
Speaker 1: I immediately, I guess I immediately jumped to the you know,
conclusion and of maybe it was not just a dog,
you know, maybe it was a dog man. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Was it relief in a way to find out that
she had had that experience and possibly it was a
dog mean as she saw it. Now, of course, not
everything out there that's a big canid is a dog mean,
but there's a possibility, I guess, a very remote possibility,
that's what it was. And with that in mind, was
it a relief for you or did it not move
the needle?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was because I really literally thought that she
was gonna be like whatever, you know, like are you serious,
or you know, give me a weird look or something,
but like she I think she believed me. And then
she mentioned that, and I was just like, I was surprised.
I was like, wow, it's pretty crazy. I try to
get more details from her, but that's all the details
she had about that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's always something when you have an encounter
and you reluctantly reach out to your family members to
share that experience with them and find out that someone
in the family has had an experience with what would
appear to be one of these guys the way you did.
So yeah, it's funny how it works that way sometimes. Now,
before I move on, if you have any questions here
for Randy that you want me to ask, and you're
in a live chat, please type it out in all
caps that way I won't miss it. But moving on,
now that you told your mom about your experience, has
she expressed an interest in trying to find out more
about dog men? Or was she business as usual and
didn't really have any interest in doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's more of a business as usual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's understandable. It's not for everyone. I've got a
question for you from Quincy Barry and lots of nice
avatar pick there. Quincy wants to know. Has Randy reached
out to anyone in the area to see if anyone
else has seen this creature?
Speaker 1: I did actually research. I looked it up on Google.
I was I typed in, uh, you know dog Man's
fightings in Peyton, Colorado, but found very little on that.
Speaker 2: So well, that goes back to the whole thing that
if one hundred people have a dog man encounter, huh,
probably less than ten are going to come forward with it.
So just because you didn't see anything, as you know,
that doesn't mean anything as far as people in the area,
not seeing this guy or other dog men if you
do have other dogmen in the area, So just something
not to lose sight of. This next question is from
Andres Sorez, and Andre wants to know has anyone in
the area gone missing or have been Have there been
I think he means have there been reports of other encounters?
Speaker 1: Not that I know of, but but there has been.
There has been a few people missing, not I guess
like sporadic throughout the years, because I mean I've lived
out here forever. But I do know of one teenager
like that's I think they were fourteen or something, thirteen
or fourteen that went missing a few years ago, and
to my knowledge, they haven't been found yet. But yeah,
occasionally people go missing. Most of the time they're found though,
but there's a few of them I think they haven't been.
Speaker 2: Well. That really is a shame. And of course, just
because people go missing, that doesn't mean that these guys
are responsible for that. I mean, people fall into old
wells and all sorts of other things happen. You never
know what might cause someone to go missing.
Speaker 1: But there was a kidnapping not too long ago here. Well, yeah,
kidnapping a little kid that was like seven or something,
but they found the kid like the next day or
something like that. But I don't think that, especially since
you said that the other day, I absolutely agree with you,
and I actually, come to think of it, since you
had mentioned that, I've realized that, you know, there's way
way higher chance that there's uh that I'll run into
a really scary person human being than I would you know,
a dog man, because all of the you know reports
I've listened to on your show, and like you know,
mine and my experience has definitely what you said does
make a lot of sense, where like, yeah, there's bad
you know, bad dies in every group of creatures, any
type of creature. You know, there's good ones and bad
ones of every you know, every creature out there. But
I think there's probably a lot more you know, bad
people out there than there are bad dog men out there.
Speaker 2: Well, I bet you're right about that. Yeah, when you're
out and about in the woods, it's normally the two
legged that you have to worry about, not dog men,
not sasquatch. It's people that normally are what you have
to really watch out for. Sashim. It has to be
that way too, can you tell us what the terrain
is like there in that part of Colorado.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's definitely you know, like I said, it's
a lot of like fields and cows and farmland, and
you know, there are small patches of like woods here
and there. But then again, like we're right down the
road from Black Forest, which is let's see, I would
have to drive maybe a couple of miles to like
probably get to the some real woodsy areas, like maybe
a mile and a half or two miles, you know,
from the edge of black Forest, which is a really sick,
very sick forest. It's pretty big too. But but yeah,
where I live and like the surrounding area is just
you know, basically fields and cows and things, you know,
golden fields, hills, a lot of hills.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that. It should
have been more specific. I was going to ask you
about the topography. If the hills roll pretty steeply up
and down or are they more of a gentle type
rolling hilly.
Speaker 1: There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of steep hills,
like you can't see like really far. You know, if
you're usually where you know, wherever you're at out here,
there's usually going to be a hill blocking you from
you know, down yonder. You know, there's also some deer
out here. There's antelope, lots of antelope, some squirrels like
that kind of wildlife. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2: It sounds like my kind of country, it really does.
Let's get to another question from a listener, Christina Easter Day.
Hey Christina, she wants to know, so did the force
go quiet? Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1: It did right before the growl happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm sure it's not lost on you. That's
a pretty common phenomenon when I witness sees one of
these guys, so that's not a surprise. It looks like
the next one is from Space Jerk thirty five and
they want to know, Hi, Vic and Randy, Randy, did
you happen to look for tracks or footprints? Thanks?
Speaker 1: I did not. Actually, I was terrified, so me and
me and the boys kind of like just slept in
his living room that night. I went home the next day,
you know, pretty much in shock. But when I found
that deer carcass, I did look for tracks around it.
And the strange thing is is I found what looked
to be really really deep, like hoof marks, like it
looked like the deer was like digging itself into the ground,
like trying to push its way. Like I don't know.
It was really weird. Like I found some really deep
like like as hoofs went really deep into the ground,
but no other tracks around it, and the soil wasn't
like super soft or anything, so you know, and it
was right by the roadway.
Speaker 2: So that's really strange. It does make you wonder. Unreal
estate agent double I'm sorry, unreal estate agent zero seven
seven wants to know. Is there anything historic about the land,
such as battlefields, tribal burial grounds.
Speaker 1: There is, there is some stuff, like especially black Forest
is like famously known for one specific extremely haunted house.
I don't remember the name of the family, but if
you just look up the haunting in black Forest, Colorado,
it'll pop up. But yeah, other than that, nothing that,
like nothing I can think of. But like this area
of Colorado in general, for instance, like Manitou Springs, which
is about forty five minutes for me, is like the
witch capital of the world. It's really weird. I don't know.
There are some very historic areas around here, but not specifically,
like right in the same vicinity that this happened in,
but you know close by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, have that many witches around?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Huh, well that's interesting strange, but yeah, that's interesting if
you have that many witches around. Is it not uncommon
when you're in the woods to run across people doing
satanic rituals and things like that or has that never
happened to you?
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. So actually, now that you
mention it, yes, I actually have seen some really strange things.
I guess probably about i'd say between where I live
now in between where I saw that on the roadway.
This was years ago. I actually have pictures of this too.
I'm weird. I have a lot of weird pictures because
if I see something weird, I usually take pictures of it.
But so I there was definitely some like some type
of coole activity going on, because what I saw on
the side of the road. That would be the only
explanation to explain this. But it was a goat. It
was like the head of a goat, and its body
was it had a stripped clean like it was just
the like the fur of the body, so like just
the fur, like you know, it was very clean. Whoever
did it did it cleanly, but the head was it
still had like the eyeballs, like the sockets you could
see like there were rotting inside the eye sockets, you know,
like it was really weird. The tongue was like sticking out,
and the you know, there was still like remnants of
like brain and stuff like that. In the skull. You
could see the partial skull and partial you know, fur
and skin remaining. But it was weird. It was almost
like somebody made that to look really really creepy and
then stuck it on their head as like a dress
or something like a where you know, I don't know
what you call it, like a head dress or whatever.
It was really creepy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure creepy doesn't do it any justice. Sure
sounds like it is. And it really makes you wonder
why anyone want to do something like that. I never
will understand that. I won't. It looks like Danella Eileen
Greneck wants to know, Randy, what about pets going missing?
Speaker 1: Not that I could not that I know of. Well, chickens,
like my parents live lived out here too until recently,
but yeah, chickens would go missing sometimes, which was a
real bummer. But and you know. I mean, I wouldn't
really know, I guess because I don't I don't have
like a whole lot of you know, friends or anything
like that. Like I live in the middle of nowhere,
kind of keep to myself. I work every day, but
you know, that's pretty much my interaction with people goes
that far, you know, at work. So I don't really
know too many people out here to know that. So
I'm not really one hundred percent sure. But come to
think of it, too, I do see signs a lot
on you know, I see signs that, like you on street,
street signs and stuff like there'll be a taped up
sign of a pet that's missing. Cats, dogs, you know,
I do see that a lot. So yeah, I guess
the answer to that would be, yeah, huh.
Speaker 2: That's interesting again the animals going missing. That doesn't mean
that there is definitely a dog mean in the area.
They can go missing for a lot of reasons. But
it is interesting, nonetheless that so many of them have disappeared.
It does make you wonder what's responsible for that. It
really does. Now. You said the boys as they go
out and they get out and about. But I know
you work all the time, but when you are able
to get some time away from work or whatever else
you have to do in day to day life, do
you still enjoy yourself and head into the woods and
do this or that, or do you try to stay
out of the woods and not do things like that
even though you haven't been traumatized by your encounter.
Speaker 1: I actually I go outside a lot, I guess, not
necessarily at night. I get creeped out a lot at
night for some reason. But I do go out there
at night, especially like sometimes with the boys, I'll go
for a walk with them or something. But but no,
I mean, I love being outside way better than inside,
So especially during the day, like I go outside and
catch horny toads and stuff, and you being outside is good.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. I'm so glad you're able to still go
out and do that. That's great, it really is. The
next question for you is from Andre's Sorez, and Andre
wants to know did the dogs have a change in
behavior after the encounter.
Speaker 1: That's also a good question, which which I'd like to know, because,
like like I said, like after that night, maybe talk
to him a couple more times, but you know, over
like that whole month, maybe three times I spoke with him.
But and I'm really curious as to what happened to
the dogs when he moved, because I I don't I
don't think he took them with him. I don't know
what happened. I don't know where he what he did
with them, if he gave them to somebody or what.
But I really don't know answer to that. Unfortunately, because
anytime that our mutual friend brings it up to him,
or has tried to bring it up to him in
the past, he will shut her down immediately. So he
will not he refuses to talk about it. We spoke
about it that night it happened, like to make sure
we I was like, did do you see what I saw?
You know type thing? But other than that, he's never
spoken to anybody about it. I'm not I'm not exactly
sure why, but.
Speaker 2: Sounds like it affected him quite a bit more than
it affected you. So shame man has to be that
way that he had such a hard time dealing with it,
But yeah, it happened sometimes. This next one is from
unreal estate agent zero seven to seven, and he wants
to know, did you notice anything in the immediate area
surrounding like a strange gust or strange fog, shadow or
light flashes.
Speaker 1: Not other than the you know abnormally, you know, large
amount of activity in the sky, you know, lights wise
like planes, like there were a couple of those lights
were planes, And you know, I saw like different colors
of you know, flashing in the sky. Kind of Eh,
that was weird. I've never before, ever since then seen
the sky like have that much activity in it. But
that was, you know, really shortly before this happened. So
I didn't notice anything other than that as far as
that stuff goes.
Speaker 2: Well, Like I said, you can only notice so much.
I think you deserve a lot of credit for noticing
what you did. I really do. The next one is
from unreal estate agent zero seven seven again, and they
want to know where its body features. Was the body
structure such as hands and legs shaped like a human?
Speaker 1: You know. I wish I knew the answer to that,
but I don't, because well, neighbors aren't like super close.
But you know, it was let me see, if I
were to guess, probably probably about one hundred one hundred
feet or something like that the way and it was
really dark house, you know, it was really dark outside.
But the neighbor's lit up pathway. You know, it was
like it was pretty lit up. So that's how I
saw silhouette of it. But I definitely did not notice
like any close details like that.
Speaker 2: Well that's it.
Speaker 1: Definitely had like like behind you know, like the you know,
like the hip of a dog, you know how it's like,
you know, well, the hip of a dog. You know.
It definitely had like the hip of a dog and
the you know, structured body. Like if it was just
kept on running, like without going up on two feet,
I would have just I would have talked it up
to like a really big dog, you know, running up
the pathway. But since it did that really weird standing
up on two feet in mid stride thing, definitely, uh
was not just a normal dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it. They also want to know,
did you notice any eye glow and if so, what color.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. It was a side view of it,
you know, just the silhouette of it, but the side
it was just the side of it, So I didn't
see any eyes or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Well that's a lot better than it turning and steering
you down. Yeah, yeah, we'll play the clad game there.
It looks like Kellyan wants to know how tall was
the dog man.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like I have driven by their,
you know, to like kind of estimates, like you know,
during the daytime and stuff like years afterwards. But I've
driven by there a few different times to like, you know,
like Okay, well here's where I was and there's where
I saw it, and like, you know, I've tried to
like measure it in my head like that. But you know,
I really, I guess couldn't give you a it didn't
it definitely. I can say that a lot of the
description that I've heard of it being like like eight
or nine feet tall or something. I don't believe it
was like that. But you know, if I were to
go by those descriptions, I would probably guess this probably
was like a teenager or something, because it wasn't like, no,
eight or nine foot tall, I don't think, but it
was definitely I would say, so I'm five to three.
It was bigger than me. It was taller than me,
for sure, but I don't know exactly how much taller.
It's a bummer that it was. Well, no, it was
a bummer and not at the same time, because you know.
All I did see was a silhouette of it from
the side view, and it was, you know, a little
bit of a distance away. But you know that's a
good and bad thing. I'm curious too.
Speaker 2: Well, you see something like that that's not supposed to exist,
it's only naturally you're going to be really curious about it.
You want to know all you can about it. So yeah,
that's totally normal. Is now to be thorough. I'm going
to ask you this next question. You don't have to
answer it if you don't want to, but I'm wondering
again if you're willing to answer this. Have you ever
played with a Wigi board at any point of your life?
Speaker 1: No, I've I've never. I've always been really like, way
too scared to do something like that. But my grandma
on on my dad's side, was like, I supposedly a
witch and she had a Wiji board. But I have
never personally played with a Wigi board. Nope.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good thing. Glad you never did. It
looks like Congress Sores wants to know. Did it seem
to be aware of you?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, definitely, especially when I heard that growl. I
don't like I felt like that was intended for not
just me but us, Like you know this, it was
literally coming from everywhere. So yeah, I definitely know. I
know for a fact it was definitely aware of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after you pulled up the way you two did,
I can't see how it wouldn't have been aware of you.
But that is a good question nonetheless. Still, the next
one is from Angel Wake An Angel wants to know
was the dog Man in a totally totally solid form
when it ran with four legs up to just two legs.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you mean by that, but it was. Yeah,
it was definitely solid.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what she wants to know is sometimes
when people see dog Man, not all that often, but
sometimes when they see dog mean the report kind of
an ethereal appearance to them. You can see through them.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was solid. It was like the silhouette
of it was black, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Okay, I see. Yeah, that's how it normally is.
That's the most common color, and most eyewitnesses report that
they're solid in appearance when they see them. The next
question for you is from unreal estate Agents zero seven seven,
and they want to know could you tell if it's
fur or hair seemed more dark or light? And could
you tell if its head seemed more wolf like or
dog like or both. Now you just said sounds like
you just said that it was kind of a blackish color,
so I think you already answered that part of the
question for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the head, like I, like I said, it was,
you know, I really for some reason at the time
in my mind, I was, you know, and this was
like I didn't even know dogmen existed. I was just like,
oh my gosh, were wolf like. But the way it
looked to me was like a really long haired and
long greyhound. And you know, I could have chalked that
up to be like looking like that because of how
fast it was run Like, I mean, it was running fast,
you know, on fore legs and mid stride stood up
on two. So you know, maybe I associated it with
a grayhound because they race. I'm not sure. But I
didn't really notice too many details of like the shape
of the head. But I do know that, like like
the jaw area had longer or bushier hair than you know,
anywhere else on it. I did notice that, Yeah, it
was really fast, and it happened so fast, you know,
it's hard to say, I don't really remember the details
of like the shape of the head. Unfortunately, I wish
I did.
Speaker 2: Well, that's all right, I'm impressed by what you did
notice and what you can tell us about. This next
question is from Bug and they want to know are
you worried it might come back and thought of safety
situations when your boys go on their walks.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, so I think about that all the time.
But you know, I definitely always make sure that they
have something on them, you know, to protect themselves with.
And you know, but they're teenagers, so I can't just
like imprison them in the house, you know all the time.
I have to not let my fears affect them. It's
you know, been hard to kind of let go, but
I have a little bit, you know, but they you know,
especially when you explain that the other day, that was
really good advice of you know, what to do if
you did encounter when you know, and just you are
absolutely right that there's you know, it definitely could have
killed us that night. So you know, I'm definitely a
lot more worried about another human being, you know, out
there hurting my kids than a dog man.
Speaker 2: It's important to understand too, that it could have killed
you any time you were in the area where it
was around, whether you're inside the house or not. Now,
I know you realize that, but it's so easy to
lose sight of that fact. I just want to hammer
home that fact, not to the point to give you
a nightmare or anything like that, but that's really a
positive thing. You've been around it as much as you have,
and you haven't had any trouble. It's never tried to
harm you. So that's something, like I told you in
the first conversation, that I hope you never forget and
you never lose sight of it. Looks like the next
question is from unreal estate agent zero seven to seven.
He wants to know did its mouth ever hang open,
showing teeth almost as if it was smiling or sneering.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't notice any details like that. It never
turned its head towards me or anything like that either,
so well, at least not from what I saw. Like
I don't know where I have no clue where it
was when it did that really weird, long deep growl.
But yeah, when I saw it though, like when I
was when it was in my vision, it did not
look at me or I didn't notice anything like that.
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. You only can notice what you
can notice, So no harm, no foul on that it
looks like. The next question is from Glenn Kamada, and
Glenn wants to know, being that it was well groomed,
did you notice any odors? Thank you?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't actually notice any odors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the distance it was away from you, I
didn't think you would have. The next one is from
Mangel Waite and she wants to know when you heard
the growling all around you, did you feel it in
your body?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. It was yeah, like I said, coming
from like everywhere, and yeah, it was like a basie.
You know, it's hard to describe it, it really is.
That was like that part of it was really terrifying,
you know, and that was definitely something I'll never forget.
And the lengths of time that it did that was
way longer than you would think that it, you know,
should have been possible. I mean, it was a really long,
you know, drawn out, very strange growl. Yeah. I definitely
could feel it in my bones, and it did sound
like it was coming from all over with no way
to pinpoint where from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it wanted to get your attention,
then get your attention. That did understandably. So looks like
the last question I'm going to throw you as from
unreal estate agent, and they want to know where its
ears pointy and on top of its head, you know.
Speaker 1: I try to remember like details like that too, and
I know that it had like dog ears, you know,
And I want to say, yeah, they're on the top
of the head. I just in my moment I think
back to that memory. I can't like picture that part
of it in my head though, But but yeah, so
I guess I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. Like I said, you can only
notice so much, especially when your brains are running out
your ears the way it normally happens when you see
one of these guys. So yeah, like I said, also,
you can't be faulted for that. You really can't. Well,
before we get out of here, Randy, do you have
any clothes in comments you want to put out there for.
Speaker 1: Us, Probably, but nothing I can think of right now
at the moment.
Speaker 2: That's all right. Now. We just appreciate you coming on
and sharing the details of that experience with this.
Speaker 1: We really do, and thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. And like I told you before, if
I can never help you in the future, if you
need help or anything like that, just let me know
and of course I'll be there for you.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome, glad to do it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Having said that, thanks against so much for your time
and have a great night.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see ya. Well, that's it for another show.
It's in the books. Before I get out of here,
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