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Speaker 1: We've all heard Christians talk about the greatest book ever written,

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the Holy Bible. God is Love, Jesus is the Good Shepherd,

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and there's a mention in this guy with your name

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on it. They like to present it as the ultimate

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guide to morality and goodness, perfect for Sunday morning and

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even better for their ego. But when you actually crack

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open the spine of that infallible book, the narratives take

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a turn into the dark. It's a fascinating bit of

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mental gymnastics to worship a God of infinite mercy while

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reading le Vidicants twenty five, where that same God gives

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explicit instructions on how to buy your slaves from nations

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around you and pass them down as inherited property. And

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for every little let the little children come to me,

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you have the stomach turning reality of Joseah thirteen, where

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the God of Peace decrees that the infants of Samaria

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will be dashed to pieces. It seems like most Christians

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treat the Word of God as a terms and conditions agreement,

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almost no how he actually reads, while those that do

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just scroll past the horrific fine print and metaphorically click.

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I agree on the parts that promise them a blessing.

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If you believe in this Bible and can explain these problems,

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then give us a call because the show is starting

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right now. Welcome everybody. Today is April twenty six, twenty

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twenty six. I'm your host, Thinker, and joining me is

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my co host, Trust but verify what's up?

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Speaker 2: Trust?

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's good. It's great to be here, Thinker.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you here. SA tell everybody a

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little bit about you and how you got into debating believers.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, well, it all started with COVID as a

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matter of fact, and during that time, I actually started

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watching AXP. I went through all the back episodes and

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it just gave me the inspiration to start doing this.

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Speaker 3: And I started with street epistemology.

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Speaker 4: But I quickly found that that approach talking to people

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online on TikTok wasn't as effective as I needed it

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to be because it was very the people were very performative.

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So yeah, so I decided to challenge them a little

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bit more, and you know, going on two years later, here,

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I am.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how long have you been? Are you atheists or agnostic?

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Speaker 4: I'm an agnostic atheist, yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and how long have you been agnostic atheist?

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Speaker 4: Let's see about a little over. I'd say about thirteen

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fourteen years, somewhere in there. I can't remember exactly, you know,

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the date I realized I didn't believe, but yeah, it's

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been about that long. Yeah, so oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Did you have a tough time deconstructing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was a Christian for over thirty years,

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and so i'd say the next you know, after and

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it was a very I was deconstructing, kicking and screaming.

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It was, you know, reading and rereading the Bible, trying

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to justify it, find it new things that were giving problems,

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especially all the ones you quoted.

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Speaker 3: In the in the in the in the intro.

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Speaker 4: Fire, yeah, Levidgas twenty five, that was, you know, and

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just realizing one day it just lessens us. Things make

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sense and you know, and then of course there was

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the fear of hell, which I looks like I'm here

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today and and so that fear of hell really kept

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Speaker 1: But then just realizing one day, man, I just.

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Speaker 4: Don't believe it. Just it just is unbelievable. I can't

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do it, you know.

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Speaker 1: But what was the thing that made you start deconstructing,

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Like were you looking to deconstruct or did it happen

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accidentally like most.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah I wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 4: It was reading the Bible, actually just reading the Bible

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all the way through. And once I did that, all

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the questions came up, all the things you can't reconcile.

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And then you go start asking other people questions and

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they can't reckon because you hear the old tropes. You know, well,

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why don't you pray to God about it? Or why

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don't you go read it again? Or you know, we

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just we just can't explain God's mind. It's just God's

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mysterious like that, you know, it just it just wasn't sad.

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you just can't get out, you know that you can

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just slightly feel that's slightly uncomfortable then and you just

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keep trying to dig it out.

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Speaker 1: And then the more you try to.

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Speaker 4: Dig it out, kind of the deeper it goes in,

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and you just spend all that time trying to.

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Speaker 3: Dig it out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just like that. I just couldn't get

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it out, you know, couldn't get it out of my mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, the thing that I held on to

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was the word Christ because it seemed so holy and

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you know, so revered. And I promise you, every time

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I tried to say anything bad about Christ, I could

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hear the oh yeah, they didn't.

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Speaker 4: Give you like this feeling like right here, like you

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I literally convinced myself that that was to feel safe.

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that word into our brain so much, was that was

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the thing that was going to keep us from going

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Speaker 1: And then when I finally was like, man, fuck all

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this like this shit ain't real, and it just, I

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don't know, the reverence just went away.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, man, because you know, when I

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first came out of the TikTok and I was looking

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for a little bit more push to go live, you

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were one of the people I watched and you know,

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and I was like, oh man.

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Speaker 1: This girl's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah this I mean, she's just getting it.

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Speaker 4: But the other part of it is it's like, now,

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when you're telling me this, it's really hard to imagine

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you as a Christian, Like like it's just really hard.

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But I get it though, I get it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I was a Christian for twenty eight years.

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I was a missionary.

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Speaker 2: I preached.

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Speaker 1: I tell everybody I preached for y'all were like, yeah,

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wait knows me. Yeah, I was one of those, all

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my neees crying out to them and thanking them for

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being for his prisons being there, Like I was one

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, Well, I'm excited to have you meday. Hopefully we

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get some good calls. Yes today, just really quickly. The

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I gotta join, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We want to ask everybody over in TikTok plan

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to share the stream out, tap the screen, help us

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get people in the room. What type of calls are

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you hoping to get today, Drs oh Man.

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Speaker 4: I know we were talking about this before we went on,

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and you know, I think if we can get some

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just some good calls about like, uh, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Actually I think I kind of like those.

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Speaker 4: Now. It does get a little bit, you know, a

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their experience because it's all the same, right, and we've

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all had that anecdotal experience, yeah, and anecdotal experiences. But

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if you can if you can get past once you

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get past that or if we can, I can find

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a way to say okay, okay, yeah that's great, But

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then the talk after that, I think it's a lot better,

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Speaker 1: I like digging into the Bible because I really want

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to know why they say some things are metaphorical and

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Speaker 2: But nothing else in that Bible they.

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Speaker 1: Don't believe, right, Like they don't believe that they can

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heal somebody with a touch of their hands. They don't

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believe that they can walk on water, right exactly. They

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the mountain exactly. So, but the one thing they do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, especially especially the ones who say I'm filled

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with the Holy Spirit. I'm like, well, then you should

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that's simple. Yeah, it never happens. Yeah.

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mouths than the words that are in this book. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And I like to sit on one Peter three,

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verse fifteen. You know, be prepared to give it a

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Speaker 3: You know, and I'll and I just I call it

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, if you take that word accounting,

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you can think of it as me asking for a receipts.

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heathens because we do read and we do want evidence

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Speaker 4: You evil, yeah apparently. Or we just don't want to believe.

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Speaker 1: I asked a lot what sins are atheists committing that

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believers don't commit with their salvation right under this grace.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: They won't answer it. Like I want to know the

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Speaker 4: When he died exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you're out there and you're watching the show and

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you are a believer, and you can answer that question

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that believers aren't already committing with Jesus' blood as a

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Speaker 3: Definitely want to know, Yeah, we definitely want to know.

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Speaker 4: What what is is?

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experience that if it starts, it'll start somewhere, but it'll

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always go back to Then how do we get here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? How do we get here? Mm?

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Speaker 3: Hmm?

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, I don't know, to be honest with you, Yeah,

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but what does that answer for them?

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Speaker 4: Exactly?

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Speaker 2: If if a.

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Speaker 1: God is the reason right that they got here, what

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does that change? Yeah, because there are a lot of

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them that's still that do believe in a god, are

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still looking for their purpose in life, even with that

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god being the answer for why humans are here. Right Exactly,

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they always say, well, then what's your purpose in life?

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If you don't believe in a god? That's always the answer.

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and does it matter? They go, well, what's your purpose

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in life? You still don't know that. And you do

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believe in a God right exactly, it doesn't change it.

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Speaker 4: So it doesn't change anything exactly like you know, and

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that doesn't and that doesn't provide evidence that your God

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is real. Right, that doesn't do anything. That doesn't move

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the needle at all. So whether or not we know that,

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you know what difference is, Yeah, you're absolutely are right,

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what difference does it make? And then and then if

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you think about it, Okay, let's just say that your

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purpose is to worship God, is to give glory to God. Well,

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isn't that a isn't that a little bit wild to

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think about that? Like, I'm just here to give glory

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to God. That's that's my only purpose here. So whatever

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I do, whether if I get you know, if I'm

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brutally you know, struck down, or you know, something bad

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happens to me, something good, it's just all in the

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glory of God.

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Speaker 3: Well, that ultimately stops making sense.

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then then nothing's in the glory of God.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are the angels doing?

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that purpose, what did he create the angels for?

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Speaker 4: Right? Exactly what do you create the angels for? And

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then how come I wasn't enough? Like I wasn't enough.

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like yeah, but to think that, like human beings out

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of all the entire universe, right, you have Earth, multiple planets,

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multiple galaxies, we are the ones that he needs to

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worship him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's it's on us, man, that's a lot

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of responsibility, right, And.

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Speaker 1: We're not that smart of a species. I'm sorry, we're

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not because we're not a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of us are not? Should I say?

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Speaker 1: But I mean it's not We're fantastic, you know humans are.

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that an all powerful, all knowing, omnipresent deity needs to

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worship it, Yeah, sometimes I think that their god is

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like possibly like a five year old playing Sam's in

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another galaxy.

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Speaker 4: It makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he's mad at his mom, so he sends

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the earth quake.

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Speaker 6: Yeah he does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he got put on, he got put on time out.

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Speaker 1: So it's sent a pestilence. Yeah, I'm telling you, like

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some something's going on, somebody don't like somebody somebody and

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don't want to do homework.

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Speaker 2: Or something because he throws a lot of temp potentiums.

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floods the world, right, like he creates humans, He goes

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they're wicked. So I'm just going to kill all of them.

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There's no law. It doesn't like really say what wickedness

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they were doing? Right, there's no law nothing.

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Speaker 5: He just.

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Speaker 1: Kills them all, just just ends. Yeah, it's that's atentium.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you remember I told you before we went on that.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 4: The comments in my my videos, my clips are I've

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been a little extra spicy this week and one in

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particular set and I'm sure you get this a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, where do you get your morality from?

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Speaker 4: If not God?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a popular one.

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Speaker 4: Huh. Yes, I hear that. Yeah, yeah they think they do.

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five maybe ten minutes to just pull the curtain bag

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on that.

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Speaker 3: Nope, you don't have it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about as relative as it goes yep, because

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I wonder.

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Speaker 1: Like they can't explain to me what's the difference between

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me saying that I think it's wrong to kill another

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human and them saying they think it's wrong to kill

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another human because that is grounded in their belief in

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this God. Right, what's the difference if if we both

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believe that it's wrong to kill another human?

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Speaker 4: Exactly, if we both believe it's wrong, except what's the

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exception unless God says it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Right, But then they'll say, well, you will kill someone

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for self defense, right, and so Yeah, but if we're

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ultimately because there is a greater opportunity for them to okay.

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Speaker 2: Murder or you.

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Speaker 1: Know, genocide if their God says it it's okay, which

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is I think more dangerous. Right, But if we are

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both saying don't kill, they'll say, well, yours doesn't count

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because it isn't rooted in.

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Speaker 2: In a god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it makes absolutely

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no sense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know we've we're dancing around this, but yeah,

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the when the field ros come on, Well, you don't

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have a grounding for your morality, or you don't have

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a grounding for your logic, And I'm thinking, well, what

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if what if the grounding for morality is what society

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comes up with, you know, because that's all we need

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and coming to the same conclusions and it works, What

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what do we need it for?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, then they'll they'll say, well, how do you know

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who's right in society?

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Speaker 6: You know, and.

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Speaker 1: They don't realize that morality is subjective and that as

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as humanity, like, we've had to grow, we've made mistakes

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with morality, right, and and we've had to grow. And

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even with this belief in a god or God's humanity

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still didn't get it right.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we still still we don't have it

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right anything.

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Speaker 7: It was worse, yeah, yeah, if anything, Yeah, exactly, you know,

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oh man, so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean.

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Speaker 1: We're still we're still waiting on calls. If you're out

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there and TikTok land, don't be afraid to call in

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or to request on TikTok you can hit the request

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and come up on stage, and then you can also call.

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If you're in a YouTube land and you're you're you're

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not on TikTok, you can call us at five point

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two nine nine one ninety two four to two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're here, you know, and you know I take

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it from this position, and I and I and maybe

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I don't know where you're at on this, but here

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I'll ask you. So I take it from the position

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like I want to be convinced. I want to hear evidence.

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And let me ask you this. If you heard convincing

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evidence or just evidence that was legitimate, that was verified,

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that you could falsify, and to your satisfaction, it pointed

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to a god existing, would you then believe it?

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Speaker 1: I would have no choice because exactly, I'm I'm rooted

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in evidence and logic, right. Exactly, if you point to

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a plant there and say, hey, there's a plant standing there,

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I'm sitting there, then I have the except that there's

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a plant there, right. And I always say, if NASA

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tomorrow built this high power telescope allows you to look

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through the telescope and you could see this God sitting

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on the throne, I would not deny the God's existence.

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But the question is then would I worship the God?

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That's a different conversation. Yes, And I think a lot

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of believers don't quite understand that.

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Speaker 2: They think that belief equals worship.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they kind of have their work cut out

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for them twice, because first you have to convince me

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that a god is and then you have to convince

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me that your God is worthy of me worshiping it

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or you know, committing to it. And then I realized

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that a lot of us don't know what covenant is,

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Like they don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know what that is.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've gotten some discussions about that. I just

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be like, hey, I'm an atheist. I don't send no

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yes you.

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Speaker 1: Do, like, no, no, no, I don't have covenant with God.

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What are you talking about. The covenants for the whole

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world is universal. I didn't sign nothing. Exactly who's my signature?

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Speaker 5: Exactly?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: I would agree with that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then there was a guy who's about once saved,

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always saved, and he was trying to convince us that

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we could not rescind our salvation. Like he said, you

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are purchased with the blood, you are always God's Like

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it sounds creepy, dude, it does.

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Speaker 4: It does sound creepy. It does like we're Barbie dolls

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or something like that. Yeah, brought us at toy story

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like Nope, nope, nope, can't.

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Speaker 2: Not able to go.

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Speaker 1: And then like even going as far as saying like

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you cannot blasphem the whole spirit, Like I'm starting to

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even notice the terms and conditions of the covenant change

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because they being like, growing up, I was always told

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you cannot be forgiven for blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah now you can, yeah apparently yeah, always exceptions, right, yeah,

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always exceptions.

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Speaker 1: And then he said humans can't blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

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Jesus only said that to them back then, And I'm like,

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y'all is going to keep changing the terms of conditions. Yeah,

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because I think non believers are cool. I think non

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believers are like they don't want to close this thing

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out until I don't know the the non believers are

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a part of it, because I think, which is pretty

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great people, Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 4: But then that leads to the other one, which is

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how they just kind of quietly softened.

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Speaker 3: What hell is?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's just eternal separation from God? But

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wait a minute, isn't God always present? How can you

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be separated from someone that's always or present, that's every

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omni you know, omnipresent?

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Speaker 3: How how does that? How does that work?

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Speaker 4: Well, he chooses to do that, but how if he's

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omni present.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it did it Just it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: Just yeah, and you just it just twists him up

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and oh yeah, it just ends up not making sense.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so again, so I see in the TikTok comments.

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The topic today is why do how do you, as

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a believer identify what is metaphorical versus what is lyrical

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literal in the Bible? And if you could help us understand,

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like when we talk about slavery in the Bible and

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Levitik is twenty five and you say that this God

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is good, but some people say, oh, the slavery isn't

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it's symboli for something else, or it's not that kind

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of slavery. Oh, God wasn't talking to people today, He

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was only talking to the agilize back then. How how

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do you decide when you're the God in this Bible?

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The words in this Bible are talking to people in

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the late Bronze Age, or in first century Rome, or

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today in twenty twenty six, or even during the first

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beginning of the Christian the Christian movement, like how do.

476
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How do you decide when these words apply into whom?

477
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That is the topic today. If you are a Bible

478
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a Bible dumper, or a Bible believer and you feel

479
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you can't answer that question, we would love.

480
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Speaker 2: To talk with you.

481
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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, speaking of Bible thumpers. Yeah, I've been doing

482
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like an informal poll against our friendlies in our community.

483
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All right, how are the conversations when you get that

484
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inevitable knock at the door. They might not knock at

485
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your door anymore, but you know, probably since you've deconstructed,

486
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you've probably gotten at least one. Really no, oh, I

487
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got to go move in your neighborhood.

488
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Speaker 1: I don't think no, Like I haven't gotten a Jehovah

489
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witness or a Mormon at my door in years.

490
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Speaker 4: Goodness, that's uh hmm man, that's something you know, up

491
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until recently, they would come to my door at least

492
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once every couple months, at least up until recently. With

493
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the JW's, I just said, okay, you know, I just

494
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want to let you all know because I resisted saying this,

495
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but yeah, I actually have online conversations about beliefs. So

496
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next time I'll just bring the camera out and we

497
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can have it on camera, and that of course will

498
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be like, no, no, we can't do that. Okay, well

499
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just just let you just let everybody know at the

500
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Kingdom Hall that next time y'all come, there'll be a

501
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camera waiting for you. And they haven't come since.

502
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Someone actually did that on TikTok. Yeah, Into the Mind.

504
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Did you see it where a JW came to his

505
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door and he was on live while the JWS yah.

506
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

507
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Speaker 1: I remember, yes, yes, oh yeah, that was great.

508
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Speaker 4: And I and now I'm kind of looking forward to it,

509
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you know because and you know the last time, the

510
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last time a JW did knock on the door, it

511
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was uh, it was man and a woman, you know,

512
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it was and they looked like they were a retirement.

513
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Speaker 1: Age, you know, and they.

514
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Speaker 4: So the woman was like, oh yeah, yeah, this was

515
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like my first time out you know, doing doing called

516
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and I'm like, oh boy. And so I just went

517
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straight to Second Samuel chapter twelve, you know, David Bethsheba,

518
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the Wives. You know, that's like, because I'm undefeated on that,

519
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,559
you can't guard me on that. And I just went

520
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straight to that, and I just I looked at her

521
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cold dead in her face, and I said, so, let

522
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me get this straight. If God gives you to your

523
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neighbor to punish your husband because your husband committed adultery

524
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against you and then killed the husband of the person

525
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he's having an affair with, are you telling me that

526
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that's a just and loving punishment for your husband to

527
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have you.

528
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Speaker 1: Taken?

529
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Speaker 4: And she said to me, Wow, this is very uncomfortable.

530
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And I'm like, yes, it's uncomfortable. Yes, it's uncomfortable. She says, well,

531
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I haven't really read too deeply into it.

532
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Speaker 1: Like, lady, what you.

533
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Speaker 2: Got to read?

534
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Speaker 4: They never have, They never have, Like what you got

535
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to read? It's a priss question.

536
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Speaker 1: We do have a call a caller. I'm going to

537
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bring a mom. We have Adrian from California. He wants

538
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to ask us why we are not believers. Adrian, are

539
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you there?

540
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Speaker 5: Yes?

541
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Speaker 6: I am good. Afternoon evening wherever y'all at Trump of

542
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,640
a Verifire Evening to you.

543
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Speaker 1: Sir Adrian, I can barely hear you. Are you able

544
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to turn your device up a little bit? I don't

545
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,799
know if the host crew, the production.

546
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:23,079
Speaker 5: Is that better mm hmmmm a little bit?

547
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 6: If I gotta if I gotta talk a little bit louder.

548
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,400
I could or take off my headphones.

549
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: I can.

550
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Can you hear him better? Trusts a little bit better? Yeah?

551
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,839
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe your mouth closer to the mic a little bit.

552
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe something like that.

553
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,759
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, so I hope this works out a little.

554
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's let's roll with it.

555
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:54,319
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, And you want to know why we

556
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aren't believers?

557
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, this is my Yeah, I don't want to then. Also,

558
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,039
you know Bible, this Bible, lad, I want to get

559
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to know who I'm engaging with for the very first time.

560
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That's just how I wrote. So this is why, this

561
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is why I want to know where you know, I

562
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do want to see where y'all coming from. I just

563
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,039
got home from work, so I am a little flustered

564
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,720
a little bit, so please bear with me. But yeah,

565
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that's that's the vibe that I'm coming with right now.

566
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Speaker 4: Okay.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't believe because I read the Bible. Same, Yeah,

568
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read and studied the Bible. I was a believer for

569
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like I said, twenty eight years and I did believe

570
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that I was in a relationship with a deity that

571
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I could never see. But as I started to read

572
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and study, I realized that what I was taught growing

573
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up was mostly mythologies, historical fiction, oral traditions that were

574
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added to the stories in the Bible, like some of

575
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the traditions that we're taught, for example, stories about like

576
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Adam and Eve and the rapture and the devil getting

577
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thrown down from heaven, having a war with God, wanted

578
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to take over his throne and all of that, those

579
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were oral traditions that are actually not in the text.

580
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And so the more I studied, deconstructing just kind of

581
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became a thing. And then I realized that I was

582
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convincing myself that I was in relationship with this God,

583
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and that everything I believed that the God was blessing

584
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me with, I in fact was doing myself. And so

585
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I just, you know, slowly but surely became okay, what

586
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,359
about you trust? Yeah, a lot of the same thing.

587
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Speaker 4: I was a Christian for over thirty years, and in fact,

588
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when I was seventeen, i'd made the decision to join

589
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a seminary, like to go to seminary school.

590
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Speaker 6: And seminary school okay.

591
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I go to seminary school, and the first

592
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advice I got was to read the Bible in its entirety.

593
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And that was the first time I'd ever read the

594
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Bible from first page the last.

595
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Speaker 3: And needless to.

596
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Speaker 4: Say, when I got done, I had a lot of questions,

597
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a lot of questions. And when I went back and

598
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asked those questions, then that only invited more questions. And

599
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you know, and I was told various things like, well,

600
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once you go back and read it, you know, you know,

601
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pray to God first and then read it again. And

602
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you know, some things are you know, we just don't

603
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understand God with our finite minds.

604
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Speaker 3: You know, I got those answers.

605
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Speaker 4: And as time went on, I did read it many

606
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many times, multiple times again and again, trying to reconcile

607
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a lot of the things that I found troubling, and uh,

608
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,200
it just never added up. And and it just out

609
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to a point finally where I just said, just like

610
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what Thinker said, I just I just don't believe this.

611
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,759
Speaker 3: I just realized that I don't believe it.

612
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Speaker 4: And I think what kept me in it for so

613
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long though, Adrian was the fear of hell, and.

614
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Speaker 6: That's one of my that's one of my favorite.

615
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just what if I'm wrong. And but see,

616
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here's the thing.

617
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Speaker 4: The other thing I realized is that I started looking

618
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into other religions because I I went from Christian to deist,

619
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then to agnostic, then to an agnostic atheist, right, And

620
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so in my time as a deist, I looked at

621
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other religions and what I discovered is that they all

622
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pretty much say the same things. Like, for example, it

623
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,759
says in the Qur'an, you know there is no God

624
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:56,039
but Allah. Right. It also says that if you don't

625
00:33:56,079 --> 00:34:00,880
believe this, then Allah will burn you in eternal fire

626
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,039
for lake of fire forever. Right, So it clearly says that.

627
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:09,519
It clearly says things like you know you've been deceived.

628
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,039
It says that in the bagav Geta for Hinduism, you

629
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,519
know there's the maya that's been pulled over your eyes

630
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to deceive you of the truth. It says that in Buddhism,

631
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,519
it says that in like all of these different religions

632
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,760
and so Adrian, if they're saying all the same things,

633
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:27,280
how could.

634
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: We know which one is saying the true thing?

635
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Speaker 5: I could see that could be.

636
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Speaker 6: Where an anostic will come in and be like, this

637
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,920
is my personal opinion. I'm no scholar. I'm just a

638
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,639
brother that be with the Bible straight up right. I

639
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,320
will feel that position will be like something that a

640
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,480
gnostic will take, like I'm not really sure if we

641
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,480
have a creator and not you do have a legit

642
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,679
question of saying which one is true or not. That's

643
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,840
where I think what you talked about are like finite

644
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,280
human humanness comes in because we don't know what is

645
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,280
true or not. I think that's where the hope and

646
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,239
the and the faith comes in to see which one

647
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,239
you will be left to to see which one is

648
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true or not?

649
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: What What are you do you believe? Are you a believer?

650
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: Uh?

651
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, I do believe.

652
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: Why do you believe?

653
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 6: From what I tell people? Mainly personal experience, some athees

654
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,880
that I've talked to, some that I'm very cool with,

655
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,599
shout out to Rainbow sixty sixty six and resist.

656
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: Right, they know.

657
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Speaker 6: What I based it off of, like my personal life,

658
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dismiss like basically the blessings that I feel that I've

659
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had in my life. That's what I point out to

660
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first and foremost, and just secondly, what what mister uh,

661
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what mister trust came with the fair and hell that's

662
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definitely one. That's that's another one, and three. Just just

663
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,400
I don't know nothing, nothing has told me or convinced

664
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me otherwise that the daughter Israel is not real? Can

665
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,199
I can I just say before you ask your question,

666
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and I don't want to be disrespectful, and I don't

667
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,559
want to think that I'm cutting y'all off and purpose

668
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,719
nothing like that. Like again, that's not how I wrote,

669
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But I do want to ask. I do want to

670
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say full and techrid intact that currently this year, this

671
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,360
is my very first time reading the Old Testament, and

672
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I can say that there are contentions points in the

673
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:07,760
Old test yet that they are troublesome to say the least.

674
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You know, first cousin marriages and hash to have brother

675
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:18,400
marriages and all that. How how women at that time

676
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:24,079
were seen as property and stuff like that. And I

677
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:30,559
can see how stories like a talking donkey for the

678
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:39,320
oracles from bay Love or or prophecies quote unquote from

679
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:42,840
from a bad Solomon could be stuff that y'all don't

680
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,760
believe in, So like that, I could see that being But.

681
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,559
Speaker 1: Because I want to focus on what you said about

682
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,840
why you do believe right, and you said you believed

683
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,119
because of personal experiences and that you have not been convinced.

684
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,559
He said, there's nothing that has convinced you that the

685
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,400
God of Israel is not real. And so what I

686
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,039
would love to talk about is what has convinced you

687
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that the God in this Bible Israel.

688
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Speaker 2: That's that's what I.

689
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Speaker 1: Would like to talk about with you. And so if

690
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you can share that with me, what is it that

691
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:25,079
the God of Israel has done for you that you yourself,

692
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,079
you know that you don't have anything to do with it? Like,

693
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how do you know that a god has done anything

694
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,360
for you? Can you answer that for me?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

696
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:36,559
Speaker 4: Of course.

697
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Speaker 6: And this is what I tell all my atheist friends

698
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,199
right again, like the spars, whether you believe it or not.

699
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But I prayed sincerely my to Buddha, not to Allah,

700
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not to no one else, but the God Israel for

701
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:02,559
nine straight years when it came to who I want

702
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:10,320
for my wife, right damn to the ethnicity, her personality, everything,

703
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and and I and I bsh'all not. She is everything

704
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,239
that I prayed and the hope for, so that if

705
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,920
I could say what my prime example is.

706
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Speaker 4: And will be her all right, So let me ask

707
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:32,599
you this. So if a Hindu h does the same

708
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,320
exact prayer that you do, and they get the exact

709
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,079
spouse that they prayed for. Does that and they prayed

710
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:45,079
to Krishna? Does that mean that Hinduism is true?

711
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:59,679
Speaker 6: Good question. I believe that my my faith, holiness faith.

712
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,800
I don't say I'm a Christian or because Christianity is

713
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,280
not in the Bible, but being the Holy is I

714
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,039
don't know, you know, pull integrity attack.

715
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 5: I didn't.

716
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,159
Speaker 6: I don't want to disrespect and say, like, you know

717
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,559
what I mean, Like he may be wrong, but if

718
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,800
I believe that there is only one true God, I'll

719
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:29,119
just probably want to tell him like, hey, hey, good coincidence,

720
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,960
even though I don't personally believe in the coincidences.

721
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 5: But I don't know what.

722
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 6: This genuous? I'm sorry, what is it.

723
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: Exactly that you are saying? Yah? Way did like the

724
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,119
God of Israel did?

725
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:48,079
Speaker 6: Uh answered my prayers?

726
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,639
Speaker 1: And I'm asking for no, no, no, I'm asking for

727
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:52,280
the mechanism.

728
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: What did he do?

729
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:58,519
Speaker 5: Like?

730
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: You are the one? How Like you are the one

731
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,840
that walked up through her and talked to her right,

732
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,440
Like you're the one that took her out on the date.

733
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,800
You're the one who who built the relationship with her.

734
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:11,199
You're the one who asked her to marry or you're

735
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,519
the one who walked down the aisle, like what did

736
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,159
he do? And how are how can you uh show

737
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,559
evidence that he is the one who brought her into

738
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:23,039
your life?

739
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 6: Good question and as simply again phone tagrigy attack right,

740
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,960
the circumstances of how I met her?

741
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 5: That was.

742
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,599
Speaker 6: Through a mutual friend. And see that mutual friend. That

743
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,920
was the scene that was played like years and years ago.

744
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:58,639
Speaker 1: So what's the mutual friend? How I'm trying to friend, Jesus,

745
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,360
I'm trying to I'm asking you to point to the

746
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,840
God like everything I hear is humans.

747
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 6: I just I just feel that the the circumstances of

748
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:19,239
how of how we came together, of how of how

749
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,679
like how she is the epiti of what I prayed

750
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,719
about for the proper wife that I wanted. I can't

751
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,599
explain it any other way without.

752
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

753
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: Okay, Well how about this why I believe it?

754
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: Okay, then what what method could we use two determine

755
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,000
if it was God that put her into your life,

756
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:45,760
that made this all happen, that orchestrated this, or if

757
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,079
it was coincidence.

758
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 6: Now you're you're asking that to a person that don't

759
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,679
believe in coincidences at all. So right, and I don't

760
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,280
want to measure.

761
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: This isn't supernatural.

762
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:04,119
Speaker 2: This isn't a miracle.

763
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,039
Speaker 1: It took nine years for you to find the perfect

764
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,440
woman for you, and that's because you knew what you

765
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:14,519
wanted and you kept looking, like right, you would you

766
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:18,519
would date and then not, you know, decide that that's.

767
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,079
Speaker 2: The woman that you want.

768
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't see anything supernatural in this nine years mm hmm.

769
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,159
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, and.

770
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 6: Maybe it had to take that long for my own

771
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,280
for my own because back then I was I was,

772
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:41,119
I was just being ruthless. So maybe I had to

773
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,760
take that long for me to get my own mind

774
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,199
right to receive that.

775
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:48,159
Speaker 4: Can I stop you right there? Because because what thinker

776
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,360
asked was for, yeah, thank you. What thinker asked for

777
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,519
was evidence that of what it was right, And so

778
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,280
you would agree that maybe isn't evidence.

779
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's a my gream is to maybe.

780
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: Right. So what we're that's what we're looking for. Uh,

781
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:08,719
We're looking for evidence. And so that's why I went back,

782
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,599
That's why I asked you originally, how could we test

783
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,039
that and or how could we test that it actually

784
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,519
was God and not something else? Or how do we

785
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,440
test it was God? It was Yahweh and not Krishna?

786
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,320
How do we test it was Yahweh and not Odin

787
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:25,800
from Norse paganism?

788
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,679
Speaker 6: Okay, so let me ask y'all in what will be

789
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,599
a macularism then for to go and test prayer.

790
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 3: That's what we're asking you, Like you're.

791
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,119
Speaker 1: Hold on, You're basically saying that something supernatural, something outside

792
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,519
of the natural, helped you find your wife. Right, So

793
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,480
what you would have to produce is something outside of

794
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:05,039
the natural doing just that, not not you crediting something

795
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:09,519
outside of the natural. You would have to produce something

796
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,639
that's breaking the laws of physics, right that That face

797
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,000
the definition of supernatural, because everything that you're talking about

798
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,800
human beings are doing and you're just giving credit to

799
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,960
a god because you said some you said a prayer,

800
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,719
Like literally, it took you nine years. It takes humans

801
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,360
that long find the perfect the perfect spout if they

802
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,239
ever do find the perfect spouse right like right now,

803
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,320
it may be perfect for you. You may be perfect

804
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,639
for her, but you don't know what's going to happen

805
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,880
down the world. You have no idea, right, so it's perfect.

806
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,719
Hold on though it's perfect today. Everything that you are

807
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,679
talking about is human. It's what humans do. Like you're

808
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,360
not talking about anything supernatural, and so like what I want.

809
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,960
I don't know if you have another another experience. But

810
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,960
what I'm looking for is the thing that you said,

811
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:04,320
I believe because the God of Israel has proven himself.

812
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,639
Speaker 2: To me to be real to exist with.

813
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: How like have you seen something like have you seen

814
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,079
the God of Israel? Have you seen you know him

815
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,920
do something outside of the what's considered to be natural? Here,

816
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:21,519
how did the God of Israel I've had.

817
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,559
Speaker 6: I had dreams years ago, like, but I'm not going

818
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,159
to even go there though it's I mean, I'm just

819
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,320
appreciating the nature. I mean, the air that I breathed.

820
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 5: I mean, that's.

821
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 6: That's that's how I know. And like and like I said,

822
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:44,079
like the woman, I don't know, I can't I can't

823
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,960
definitively tell you like I don't have a thing, a

824
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,320
big old thing of evidence in my right hand and

825
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,039
saying here, this is how I know my prayer for

826
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:59,199
my wife has worked and to satisfied what y'all looking

827
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,519
for I don't know. I don't think I'm able to

828
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:02,880
do that.

829
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

830
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 3: Okay, Well let me ask you this. Let me ask

831
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,960
you this. You you know your wife's real?

832
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,159
Speaker 5: Right? Yes?

833
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 4: How do you know?

834
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:15,559
Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying.

835
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,119
Speaker 6: Okay, and I know where you're coming with that.

836
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,039
Speaker 1: Yeah?

837
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like you have like you see her, right,

838
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,960
you talk to her like if you like if because

839
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,519
like if I ask you for evidence that your wife

840
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:31,320
is real, like if I let's just say I was

841
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,880
just a little out of pocket, I'm like, nah, I

842
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,119
don't believe you're married. Bro, I don't believe that. I

843
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:36,840
would never say that, but let's just say I did.

844
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,159
I was just out of pocket. You would easily be

845
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,039
able to show me that you're married, right, easily? Like

846
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,000
it take you maybe five minutes. Yeah, you probably call

847
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:47,960
her up on the phone, you could, you know? And

848
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:49,800
if I was just if I went that far out

849
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,599
of pocket, like, well, how do I know that's your wife?

850
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:53,280
I mean you could go as far as to say,

851
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,119
produce a marriage certificate, right or take me to your

852
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,400
house and show me, yeah, this is my wife. Would

853
00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:59,880
you like to meet?

854
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 5: You know?

855
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,159
Speaker 3: And I say, hell, how are you doing? Missus Adrian.

856
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,079
It should be that easy for a god.

857
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,679
Speaker 4: Don't you think if this God is real, if this

858
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,440
is actually a being, this god should be able. You

859
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,719
should be able to produce that type of evidence as

860
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,000
easily as you should be able to produce it for

861
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:17,519
your wife.

862
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 5: I can't. How can I say this?

863
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,559
Speaker 6: I respect you argue it. And again I'm not dismissing

864
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:41,480
what you're saying. Yes, the God of Israel is not

865
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:42,159
in front of.

866
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:42,679
Speaker 5: Me right now.

867
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,639
Speaker 6: Yes the God of Israel is not where I pur

868
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:54,199
stigically touch him. I understand that. But it's just with

869
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:55,320
my whole.

870
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: What does that?

871
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: What can he do?

872
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,119
Speaker 1: You're saying that he showed you that he is real,

873
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,320
even if you can't see him. What can he do

874
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,000
outside of a human being? Like if even I trust

875
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,280
didn't see your wife writ and you say, well, my

876
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,280
wife fixed me a beautiful lunch. Right you come to work,

877
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,119
have a lunch packed by your wife, a note you know,

878
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:27,440
signed by her? Right here, this is what my wife did.

879
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:31,840
What can he do outside of a human being? And

880
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,559
like and you're talking about the air you breathe, like

881
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,679
y'all do realize like photosynthesis is thing? Like you are

882
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,920
breathing oxygen and you don't die when you go to sleep, right,

883
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,199
Like your lung still works.

884
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:52,559
Speaker 3: Nervous system in our bodies. Yet we can explain all that. Yeah,

885
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,239
he's not.

886
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,119
Speaker 1: Coming by, and you know, breathing in your nostrils every

887
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,159
morning so that you you know, jump start and puff

888
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,679
up and start then again. Right, we're trying to understand.

889
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,920
You are saying that this immaterial entity right is engaging

890
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:16,159
with the material realm with you as a physical being,

891
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,239
and we're asking how what is it that it does?

892
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:25,039
Speaker 5: What do you have?

893
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: Maybe if I ask it this way, what do you

894
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:32,719
have access to as a believer of this god? Okay,

895
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,519
here in the physical realm? What can you do or

896
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,920
what can this god do for you that we don't

897
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:42,679
have access to as it is?

898
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 6: I guess.

899
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 5: This is just off the top.

900
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 6: I'm just guessing that it will be, that access will

901
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,800
be will be prior and being humble about it. I mean,

902
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,880
I don't want to sound quote unquote cliche with whatever,

903
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:14,000
but that's human.

904
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,639
Speaker 2: That's you doing.

905
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: And then if I wanted to, I could pray to

906
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,639
myself and be humble to myself. I don't need to

907
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,360
do that to yahweh I'm asking what do you, as

908
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,079
a believer of the God of Israel have access to you? Right,

909
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,519
what is the benefit that you have here in the

910
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:35,199
physical world as a believer of this god that I

911
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:42,800
don't have access to? Like we both like, we both breathe,

912
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:48,079
We both breathe, right, we both can can fall in

913
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:52,079
love right and and marry somebody or you know, date

914
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:56,800
whoever we want to date. We both eat, we both

915
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,800
have houses, cars, like we have access to those things.

916
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,159
What do you have access to that we don't as

917
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,360
atheists here in the physical world.

918
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 6: I don't even know how to put it. It would

919
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,239
probably just be that because this is how it affected me,

920
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:19,000
Like and this is just being burnt. I guess it's

921
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:23,079
just that drive to go and go in the Bible

922
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,639
and try to learn more about it. My driver is

923
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:30,079
trying to expand my understanding and expand my knowledge. Like,

924
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,280
this is why I try to reach.

925
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 5: I want to learn.

926
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 6: I got I got it. I do angry too, angry too,

927
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:43,920
I want to learn to fall. I'm going too.

928
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:49,559
Speaker 1: But I'm just Adrian. I'm an atheist, and I did

929
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,000
learn Hebrew so that I could read the Bible. I

930
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,400
read Hebrew, and I didn't need your God to move

931
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,199
me to do that. I'm asking what do you have

932
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:08,760
access to that I don't as a non believer, because

933
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,599
right now I have access to the language that you're God.

934
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 2: Use when he gave them the Torah, and you don't

935
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,000
and you are a believer.

936
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,519
Speaker 6: I mean when it comes to when it comes to

937
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,679
trying to break down stuff and Hebrew and Greek and

938
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,760
all that, like, I do got those type of resources

939
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,519
for me, So when it's.

940
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,159
Speaker 3: Not for me, yeah, I mean I don't. I don't

941
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,320
know Hebrew and Greek.

942
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,039
Speaker 4: But I can just go online and look at the translations,

943
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,960
you know, and it'll translate it to English or whatever

944
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:49,159
language I want, you know, from ancient Hebrew to ancient Greek,

945
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,360
or I can shoot, I could DM Thinker and say hey,

946
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,760
what do you think about this, you know, and she

947
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,840
could tell me. Yeah.

948
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 6: But you said that, you said the question question.

949
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: But I'm push back on what you said.

950
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: You said that what you have that we don't have

951
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,079
is your God will give you the desire to read

952
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:12,519
the Bible, right to go deeper and understand it. Except

953
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:16,039
we probably, like I know, Trust reached the Bible probably

954
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:19,719
almost every day because Trust host lives. I read the

955
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,199
Bible every day, right, and yah wagh isn't and we

956
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,000
don't have a relationship with the God of Israel. But

957
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,880
you're saying that's the thing that you have over us

958
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,559
as a believer.

959
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,519
Speaker 6: I'm not defendively saying that. I'm saying that might be

960
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,519
the case. Again, Like, I don't really know how to

961
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,960
answer your question because full integrity, intact, because I really

962
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:46,159
don't know what is really the difference, Because we're both

963
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,599
doing the same thing, We're both reading or both trying

964
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:53,599
to understand, we're both trying to dig into different translations

965
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:58,800
and all that other good stuff. I'm just thinking it's

966
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,400
probably and I don't I don't know, I don't know.

967
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,079
Let me just detainly just say that I'm not sure

968
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:07,880
at this point.

969
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 5: Is that is that?

970
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:09,599
Speaker 4: Okay?

971
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.

972
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:13,519
Speaker 4: Well, let me let me ask you. Let me ask

973
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:15,199
it this way here, here's kind of another way we

974
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,800
can ask it. If you found out, like right after

975
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,800
we stopped talking, like we ended this conversation, if if

976
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:28,519
it just it's some evidence just hits you that no

977
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:31,920
gods exist, let's just just kind of sit on that

978
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,239
for a second. Yeah, it's hypothetical, and I don't know

979
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,320
what that is. I'm not telling you exist, I'm just asked.

980
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:41,599
I'm just saying, if you just discovered it or came

981
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:45,239
across it, and then you verified that evidence to be true,

982
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,920
that that no gods exist, how would your life change?

983
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 3: Right at that moment?

984
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 6: I will feel, honestly, I will feel Number one, that

985
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:05,159
I'm in jeffard of of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

986
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,079
That's number one.

987
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 4: Number two that you came across. It's just evidence that

988
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,920
you came across, and it's undeniable, you know, like as

989
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:18,440
undeniable as evidence that your wife is real. It's that

990
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:22,400
kind of evidence, all right, It's that level. So I'm

991
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,920
trying to so just to just kind of a society.

992
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 6: It would it would mess me up. It really would

993
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:30,079
mess me up.

994
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: And I appreciate it because I wouldn't.

995
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, because I hope this is coming from

996
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,840
someone that I wholeheartedly believes that the Bible is true.

997
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:50,800
So if I've come across unequivalental and like just knock

998
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,199
your soft off, freaking like yo, like this is some

999
00:56:55,599 --> 00:57:01,000
real I will question the I would then question the

1000
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,719
validity because I'm already dealing with copyist errors when it

1001
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,199
comes to First Saritule and the first Chronicles, I'm already

1002
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,519
dealing with that as it is.

1003
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,599
Speaker 4: If there was any Yeah, those aren't.

1004
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: Those aren't copyist errors. You're not dealing with copyist errors.

1005
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,199
And I think, like, do you do you know what

1006
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,880
blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is?

1007
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. We were just talking about that thing, like.

1008
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:35,719
Speaker 6: I don't think you know, it's basically denying that the

1009
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,719
Holy Spirit against Essentially.

1010
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: It's it's it's lying on the Holy Spirit, right, speaking

1011
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,760
against the Holy Spirit. Right, it's not denying that it exists.

1012
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,320
If you don't know, you don't know. If you're not

1013
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,079
experienced it, you haven't experienced it, right, You can't say

1014
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:56,360
something that doesn't exist that you have not experienced it.

1015
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:02,039
But the the thing is, I think that you're approaching

1016
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,400
your study from a place of fear, and you're saying,

1017
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:10,719
I believe the God of Israel exists, I believe that

1018
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,719
everything in the Bible is true, well, not having actually

1019
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:24,800
validated the claims in the book, because I think you're

1020
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,440
afraid to approach it. I think you're afraid of what

1021
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:30,800
you might find out and because you're afraid of that,

1022
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,320
you might blasphem and you're afraid of hell.

1023
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: And I and I understand that.

1024
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 6: I'm not worried to even try to entertain being a papstate,

1025
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:51,119
you know, because that's a possible I'm sorry, you know what, apostle, apostecy,

1026
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,920
I'm not even not even yeah, I'm not even trying

1027
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:55,480
to play with that.

1028
00:58:55,719 --> 00:58:58,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, why why is it?

1029
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 6: Let me think that goes and that goes to the

1030
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,599
to the to the root problem of in my opinion,

1031
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:15,039
blasphe me, uh, against the whole expirit and not entertainment.

1032
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: So right, but yeah, I'm really trying to blasphame against

1033
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:21,519
the Holy Spirit.

1034
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:23,559
Speaker 4: No, no, no, we're not trying to do trying to

1035
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,239
get you. We're not trying to Yeah, yeah, but but

1036
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,920
I think we're and I respect that.

1037
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 6: I respect definitely, and I appreciate that, and I do

1038
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,639
and I'm glad Raino told me to come through go

1039
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,239
talk to y'all, because, to be honest, is a rarity

1040
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,360
to see a brother and the sister being an atheist,

1041
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,480
at least in my world.

1042
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:52,199
Speaker 5: So so it's it's kind of it that's what kind.

1043
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:55,159
Speaker 6: Of made me even more and to call y'all because

1044
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,400
I see y'all on TikTok. I don't do TikTok. It

1045
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,480
is really YouTube, and I think, yeah, let me go

1046
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:03,039
and talk to And since I've been exposed to black

1047
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:06,599
as like and deroance A was my very first one.

1048
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:10,880
I said, no, this is that's that's out there and

1049
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:11,840
a shout out.

1050
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: What happened to?

1051
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 3: What happened there? He's still with us, Adrian, Oh he dropped, Oh,

1052
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:25,559
he dropped.

1053
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe maybe he'll call back.

1054
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:29,119
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1055
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:31,639
Speaker 4: Maybe that was a good call. Yeah, that was a

1056
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:33,559
really good call. That was such a good question. And

1057
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:35,719
I had a good question for him too. I had

1058
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,000
a really good question for him.

1059
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: I think he's definitely scared. Uh, like the whole black

1060
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,519
I got that was beat into us? Don't you play

1061
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,119
with the Holy Spirit like that was beat into us?

1062
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,599
Speaker 3: Mess with the Holy Spirit exactly?

1063
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah. Because he didn't even want

1064
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,559
to go there, he didn't want to talk about that.

1065
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:57,880
We didn't even we weren't even talking about that. We

1066
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,960
were just I just simply asked him, it'll.

1067
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,119
Speaker 1: Keep you from question and it'll keep you for questioning

1068
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:07,480
really quickly and now from a word from our fellow host,

1069
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:11,960
Jamie the Blindlimey about an exciting May event.

1070
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,199
Speaker 8: Jamie the Blind Lime here and I've got some interesting

1071
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,480
news for you. On Saturday, May sixteenth, at six pm,

1072
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,480
we'll be hosting our twenty four hour we Are Here

1073
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,920
live stream and fundraiser to highlight secular voices around the world.

1074
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:31,039
We've invited dozens of your favorite content creators like genetically

1075
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:35,079
Modified Skeptic, the Antibot, Justin d Z and more to

1076
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:37,559
let the world know that we are here and we're

1077
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,000
not going anywhere. If you're here in Austin, come join

1078
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:43,199
us at Free Thought Library at fifteen oh seven West

1079
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,320
cain Igline. Well, we'll be kicking things off in style,

1080
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,760
and if you're online, do join us on the Atheist

1081
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,280
Experience channel to check out the stream and join in

1082
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,639
the fund. So join us from wherever you are in

1083
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:57,800
the world, and together we can dedicate ourselves to secular

1084
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,920
humanist values wherever we are.

1085
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,159
Speaker 1: That sounds like that's going to be a pretty cool event.

1086
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 4: I wish I could be around for that.

1087
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: I know my son's graduating.

1088
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:17,159
Speaker 4: Oh congratulations, the last one last Yeah.

1089
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,199
Speaker 1: But I also want to give a big shout out

1090
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,159
and a big Thank you to the crew who put

1091
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:32,280
the show together every week, to our video operators, our

1092
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,519
audio operators, and the note takers, the call screeners, the

1093
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,199
chat moderators. Thank you so much guys for all that

1094
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,199
you do. It definitely would not be a show without you,

1095
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:47,519
for sure. Yeah, and if you would like to be

1096
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:50,480
one of those attractive crew members, will be a guest

1097
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,360
on one of our shows or eventually even become a

1098
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,559
host like me.

1099
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:55,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1100
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: We're always looking for people interested in being part of

1101
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,880
our production, so email volunteer at Atheist dash community dot

1102
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:08,440
org to get involved and trust are you ready to

1103
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:10,679
take another call? I think we're gonna we have two

1104
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:14,079
people waiting in Q on TikTok, so we're gonna switch

1105
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,960
to the TikTok Q. Let's do it, okay and see

1106
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,159
what we got going on over here.

1107
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: My question, well, everybody, I think these are all friendlies.

1108
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,559
Speaker 1: Those are yeah, there are those are nerds and the guests.

1109
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: Great.

1110
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,599
Speaker 1: If you're in the guest request on TikTok on accident,

1111
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:31,320
go ahead and check it out. See if you're in

1112
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,119
there accident. Actually, Adrian called back in. Do you want

1113
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:35,280
to finish the college?

1114
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1115
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's good.

1116
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,639
Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll finish with Adrian and then we'll

1117
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:40,400
take the next call.

1118
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:43,079
Speaker 4: Okay, after that, all right.

1119
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 5: Good to go?

1120
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:47,239
Speaker 6: All right, don't people, I don't want to. You know,

1121
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,639
I do value other people's time and all that I

1122
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:50,239
do value.

1123
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 5: No, No, you know what I mean?

1124
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Now I had I had another question for you, sir,

1125
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:01,159
if your belief were false, what would it cost.

1126
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,039
Speaker 1: You personally.

1127
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 6: If it were false?

1128
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:15,519
Speaker 4: It will be if it were false, Yeah, on.

1129
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 6: Some real full integritin tech. I think I will lose

1130
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:22,840
a little bit of self confidence, a little bit of

1131
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,719
a little bit of a little bit of less hope

1132
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,000
of what to see in the afterlife.

1133
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,239
Speaker 4: Okay? And is that cost the hope that what you've

1134
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:39,119
seen in the after life and your self confidence? Do

1135
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:41,800
you do you think that's influencing? How much evidence that

1136
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:42,480
you're demanding?

1137
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 5: You know what?

1138
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 6: Something told me to go and call y'all like, that's

1139
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,320
a very that's a very good question. Can you repeat

1140
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:52,920
that one more time?

1141
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,519
Speaker 1: Tark, I have that thinking and take that with it absolutely.

1142
01:04:56,639 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1143
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,039
Speaker 3: Is that cost influencing?

1144
01:04:59,840 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 5: Uh?

1145
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: How much evidence that you were demanding?

1146
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:04,519
Speaker 5: You know, sir?

1147
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,239
Speaker 6: I think it is. I mean I listen to one

1148
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,679
of one of my one of my close friends, feel right,

1149
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,039
he's a secarate humanist and we have this little we

1150
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:17,239
have this little rapping thing that we do on this

1151
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,719
for you know, coming from his expective and my perspective

1152
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:28,039
and stuff like that, and it's it's that's a and

1153
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:31,159
what like I bring him up because I have to

1154
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:36,119
push his back on how I believe my beliefs, this

1155
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:41,079
of it. I like stuff like my last conversation with Justin.

1156
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:44,239
I like to talk with y'aws so I could bring

1157
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,920
something home and whether I take it or not, that's totally.

1158
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:48,039
Speaker 5: Up to me.

1159
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 6: But I like to take it, take it with me,

1160
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:53,800
and like and really chew on it so I know

1161
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:57,280
for sure when I talk to somebody, yeah, this is

1162
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,159
why I believe that whatever the case is or or

1163
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:06,079
this is why, this is why they have their opinions

1164
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:11,199
on on their push back and like I like to

1165
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:13,880
take all of that so I can make it, you know,

1166
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,599
have my whole understanding way everything and.

1167
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:21,599
Speaker 4: Answer that question yes, yeah, yeah, you absolutely did, and

1168
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:22,199
thank you for that.

1169
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the unsty on that too. So just

1170
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,000
one last follow up to that, if.

1171
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,159
Speaker 6: I if I may just say like I have no

1172
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,480
reason to lie to y'all or no reason to lie

1173
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:37,159
say anybody. I don't want to compromise my integrity for nobody,

1174
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,960
So I'm coming with you with real.

1175
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:45,679
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So okay, So then the so then the last

1176
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:49,280
question for this little bit is are you following evidence

1177
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:54,039
or avoiding a painful possibility? Because it sounds like a

1178
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:56,079
sounds like a pretty heavy cost if the way you're

1179
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:56,880
putting it for you.

1180
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 6: Because I I go, I said, like, if I had

1181
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:06,599
twelve toes, I stand twelve toes on what I believe in.

1182
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:12,039
So if if there was something that even an inkling

1183
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:15,280
of a of a crack in it, that's why I'm

1184
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,239
diving into the Old Testament so I have a better

1185
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,599
understanding of where people are coming from. And so farth

1186
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:28,199
this is why I got different translations than lexicons and

1187
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:31,079
all that stuff, Like I really want to know that, hey,

1188
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:36,400
what I believe in is really one because if not,

1189
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:41,119
then what is their hope or what is the hope

1190
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,599
after we go back to the dust, you know what

1191
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:43,880
I mean?

1192
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,599
Speaker 4: So, so that is a.

1193
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:54,039
Speaker 1: I'm listening, like you've mentioned your integrity alive and it

1194
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:57,800
just like it makes me wonder which actually matters more

1195
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:04,440
to you the you know, the fear of finding out

1196
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:08,119
that what you believe in it does not actually hold

1197
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:13,480
up to your standard of what to your integrity, right

1198
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:19,760
to what you consider to be integral or your integrity

1199
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:27,039
because like like which one is it's more important?

1200
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 5: Right?

1201
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: Like which which one actually matters.

1202
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 6: To integrity or the Bible's integrity.

1203
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: Nor belief, your integrity or your belief like your your belief.

1204
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: You're integrated at.

1205
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: Two different things, right because right and like for For example,

1206
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:51,159
there's a story in the Bible in Genesis twenty where

1207
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:57,800
Abraham goes before the Abimelech and he uh tells a

1208
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,279
half truth. Right, he lies by mission to the Abimelec,

1209
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,279
and he does not tell the Abimelec that Sarah is

1210
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,760
his wife. And the God shows up to a Bimelec

1211
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:13,640
in his dream and threatens to kill a Bimelec and says, uh,

1212
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,720
give you have a man's wife, and there I'm going

1213
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,760
to kill you if you don't give him back, And

1214
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:25,079
Abimelet goes, wait, I'm innocent. I acted in integrity. Right,

1215
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,800
he is the one who put me in this situation.

1216
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:32,439
And your God, yeahweh says, Yeah, I know you innocent,

1217
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:35,239
I know you acted in integrity, but I'm still going

1218
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:40,279
to kill you. Right, So integrity in that moment didn't

1219
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,600
matter to your God. What mattered to your God was

1220
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:44,319
the chosen.

1221
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 5: So so.

1222
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:53,359
Speaker 1: For you, like you've talked about your integrity a lot,

1223
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,039
does it matter to you that integrity isn't that important

1224
01:09:58,079 --> 01:09:59,479
to your God as it is to you.

1225
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,119
Speaker 6: And I'll say that was a good example that you

1226
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:12,439
brought up. Honestly, that was a good example. They are

1227
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:17,439
two different things. I know that that is something that

1228
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:24,079
he does look for in people. Is integrity, Now, dude,

1229
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,920
I think there's a different plane or different level of

1230
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:35,119
how he sees how important integrity is. Integrated. Is integrity

1231
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,239
is as supposed to like say, faith and hope and

1232
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:43,479
so forth. I'm not sure, but I do know that

1233
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,640
it is important. But with this example that you pointed out,

1234
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:52,000
it probably was trumped by what you said because Abraham

1235
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:52,920
was chosen.

1236
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just need to understand because I'm I'm

1237
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,119
confused by your What do you mean they are different?

1238
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:04,640
What do you mean he does look for integrity? Like

1239
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:10,760
I'm confused, Like, what do you what do you mean

1240
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,720
they're different. What do you mean it's different? What's different?

1241
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:15,359
Speaker 5: Now?

1242
01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:21,079
Speaker 6: Integrity and belief were different? Did you did you point out, yeah,

1243
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:23,560
but there were two different things, and I was right

1244
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,760
and right, but I mean with that statement.

1245
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what is your response to the fact

1246
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:32,880
that your God does not prioritize integrity as much as

1247
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,319
you do? What is your response to that?

1248
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,399
Speaker 6: That's that's a that's a good question. And again, like

1249
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,359
how I was how I was trying to answer, was

1250
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:49,960
that maybe, for example, maybe ihold integrity, say at level seven,

1251
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:55,640
and and the God Israel will probably see in the

1252
01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:59,880
integrity I say level four. But maybe I see my

1253
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:05,680
I say faith at level five, and he sees you that,

1254
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:08,960
and he demands you have your faith in say level eight.

1255
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:10,880
It's probably different gages.

1256
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

1257
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm trying to be honest.

1258
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: I know I and I appreciate your honesty, but I

1259
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,560
don't I don't think you quite understand, like why would

1260
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,000
you have a higher standard of truth than your than

1261
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:26,479
your God.

1262
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 6: It's a good question. It's a good question. And maybe

1263
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:43,720
I maybe I personally see integrity as very important in

1264
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:47,920
in my life. That's that's probably what it is. I

1265
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:50,479
probably hold it to a to another pet of school

1266
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,399
as a high higher.

1267
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: Than your God.

1268
01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:00,279
Speaker 6: I hear what you're saying, and I hear it should

1269
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:00,520
say it.

1270
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that you understand, Okay.

1271
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 4: Trust, Yeah, the observation I was gonna make. And actually

1272
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:16,319
this little talk about integrity, I think even underlines is further.

1273
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:21,640
But it sounds like you're you may not be defending

1274
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,600
truth right now so much as you're defending the price

1275
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,000
tag of changing your mind.

1276
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 3: How does that How does that hit?

1277
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 6: Probably could I say, maybe even chiller both Maybe I'm

1278
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:50,039
as in I'm trying to seek truth and also at

1279
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:56,880
the same time, I guess trying to express that that

1280
01:13:57,159 --> 01:13:59,680
despite what I've read so far and so forth, that

1281
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:03,119
you know, in my life and experiences and so forth,

1282
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,439
I'm still I'm still here. I'm still here with my belief.

1283
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 5: I guess.

1284
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:11,520
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1285
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 4: Well, it just it's well, it just sounds like the

1286
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:22,000
cost of that you that you told us about, you know,

1287
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,600
the loss of the potential loss of hope or what

1288
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:30,680
you described as loss of hope. And oh, I forget

1289
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,039
what the other one was, but that one I remembers,

1290
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:37,279
the disappointment would be there too disappointment. Yeah, so that

1291
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,359
potential disappointment, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, And it sounds like

1292
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,600
you're more managing that than.

1293
01:14:48,079 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 3: The un like the uncomfortable truth.

1294
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,159
Speaker 4: It sounds like you know that if if you found

1295
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:58,479
out otherwise, that the truth would be uncomfortable for you,

1296
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:05,520
very uncomfortable. And that I think is you're the fear

1297
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,399
of that seems to be higher than the truth itself.

1298
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,399
Speaker 5: There's lift blocks, but they're both there.

1299
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 4: I'll give you that, okay, but it sounds like you're

1300
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,399
weighing them, you know, like it's on a scale. And

1301
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,159
because like because after you dropped, you know, think and

1302
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:28,039
I were talking about how because we we both held

1303
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:30,399
this fear, we we we both acknowledged this, that fear

1304
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,399
of blaspheming in the Holy Spirit, when that didn't even

1305
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:35,439
come up in conversation, you know, but it's like you

1306
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,800
your mind automatically went there like, oh, I'm not going

1307
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,319
to blasphe the Holy Spirit. I'm not gonna even come

1308
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,000
close to it. I remember feeling as a believer, you

1309
01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:45,720
know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, even even you say

1310
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,439
to now, I would be in your shoes saying nah, no, no, no,

1311
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,520
not even say that, not even don't even think it, like,

1312
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:58,000
don't even think it and with it, right, you don't

1313
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,479
even want to get close to it, right, yeah, yeah,

1314
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:02,920
And so that's why we had to reassure you. No, no, no,

1315
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,640
we're not talking about that. We're not asking you to

1316
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,039
do that, and we're not even asking you know, asking

1317
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:13,560
anything about that. But even just the prospect of perhaps

1318
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:19,239
even unintentionally violating that is very real to you. And

1319
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,520
I get that. I'm not trying to minimize that at all.

1320
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:24,760
But what I'm trying to what I'm just wondering about,

1321
01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:32,800
is how much of that fear, in addition to it

1322
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:37,680
sounds like the fear of disappointment, the fear of loss

1323
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,000
of hope, how much of that is.

1324
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,199
Speaker 3: Influencing the type of evidence that you'll accept.

1325
01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:56,399
Speaker 6: I say, honestly, okay, honestly on a scale of one,

1326
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:02,840
that's say, I say, as far as me accepted outside

1327
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,920
quote unquote secular evidence outside of the Bible. All right,

1328
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:12,640
I say that's a good I say, good, probably six

1329
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:13,159
or seven.

1330
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 5: Like I need to.

1331
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of, I kind of need to be

1332
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,319
I don't know, maybe explored a little bit.

1333
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:27,159
Speaker 4: So if a if an, if a Muslim gave the

1334
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:30,880
exact same reasons that you just gave us during this

1335
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:34,800
entire call, during this entire conversation, and then ended with

1336
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:38,680
and that's why Allah is the true God, That's why

1337
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,479
Quran is real, that's why Islam is the true faith.

1338
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 3: Would that be acceptable to you?

1339
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:48,039
Speaker 6: It wouldn't.

1340
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: So why not?

1341
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:59,159
Speaker 6: Because with with me believing only that the that the

1342
01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:02,520
Bible is true, I will hear with her, I will

1343
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,239
respectfully here with her where they're coming from and all

1344
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:10,199
that other good stuff. But I will tell well, I

1345
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:12,319
don't think I don't take our laws real.

1346
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:14,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that.

1347
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not I don't.

1348
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 4: It's not so much an issue of disrespect, right, It's

1349
01:18:21,039 --> 01:18:22,600
just it's just real quick.

1350
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

1351
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,359
Speaker 6: Do y'all have the same energy with all the other

1352
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:31,359
religions or it's just really on Okay, okay, thank you,

1353
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:32,359
Oh yeah, thank you.

1354
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:34,119
Speaker 3: Yes, it doesn't matter.

1355
01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:36,119
Speaker 4: I mean, you could you could be a you could

1356
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:38,399
be a wicked coming up here, and I'd be asking

1357
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:39,159
you the same stuff.

1358
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,520
Speaker 1: I've never seen. Sure that I've never seen a lot.

1359
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,960
I've never seen zeus. I've never seen a spirit or.

1360
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 4: Soul, like, never seen fairies.

1361
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the thing is is we're telling you that

1362
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,760
we don't believe what we have not experienced, right, or

1363
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,680
that what we cannot prove with there's no evidence behind.

1364
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 4: Let it go.

1365
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 6: I appreciate this call, y'all. I know, y'all, I do.

1366
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,279
If y'all have something like this in the future, only

1367
01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:17,399
y'all two, I will, I will give y'all. I will

1368
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,359
want to call y'all back to y'all. Y'all seem like

1369
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,600
y'all know what y'all talking about, and I like, I

1370
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,720
like these little brain challenges for myself, you know what

1371
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,359
I mean. I respect it.

1372
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: So I challenge I'm hoping if you call back. If

1373
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,560
you call back, I want to know the answer to

1374
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:38,079
my question.

1375
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,159
Speaker 1: Why why are Why would you serve a god uh

1376
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,239
who has a lesser standard of integrity than you do?

1377
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:54,000
Especially especially when your belief is that the devil is

1378
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:55,000
the great deceiver?

1379
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: Right, the devil in your belief system.

1380
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: The devil should have a lower standard up integrity than you,

1381
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,039
not your God. So why would you serve a god

1382
01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:13,960
who has a lower standing up integrity than you? I mean,

1383
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,039
you don't have to answer that today.

1384
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 4: Let's take it with you.

1385
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll.

1386
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:19,119
Speaker 6: Take that one.

1387
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 5: With me.

1388
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:24,159
Speaker 6: Okay, I thank her for giving me something to think about.

1389
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,680
I feel that, thank you very much.

1390
01:20:27,119 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 4: That's what she does.

1391
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:30,239
Speaker 1: Read Judici is twenty.

1392
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on it right now.

1393
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,359
Speaker 6: I'm really I stay with my Bible with me. So yeah,

1394
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,079
I'm saying it right now. So that's I'm seeing the example.

1395
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:44,680
And that is a great point when it comes to

1396
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,399
somebody saying, hey, why are my alpholes when he's the

1397
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,600
one that told me, you know, she was cool and

1398
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:57,439
not his sister. So I'm giving you that, Like, that's

1399
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:03,000
a good example of pointing out uh integrity, engaging the

1400
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:05,520
integrity at that point. So I'm giving you that.

1401
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:07,079
Speaker 5: That was it.

1402
01:21:07,319 --> 01:21:11,319
Speaker 4: That was a good one, all right.

1403
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,079
Speaker 3: I look forward to the answer. Yeah you having good

1404
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:15,720
thanks for calling.

1405
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:16,279
Speaker 1: Have a good day.

1406
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:19,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going to appreciate.

1407
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 2: It, all right.

1408
01:21:22,079 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, good question.

1409
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:31,319
Speaker 1: I think like the it's interesting right to see believers

1410
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,279
within the black community who are not used to talking

1411
01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:38,880
to or seeing black atheists, yes, and engaging in these

1412
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,600
types of questions and the fear right of blaspheming against

1413
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,840
the Holy Spirit like that is the thing that help

1414
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,560
us away from it from questioning it for so long.

1415
01:21:51,159 --> 01:21:55,479
It's like can't you go step on a like a

1416
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:00,640
piece of dynamite or a mind and blow up or something.

1417
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1418
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:04,079
Speaker 2: Tip toeing, yeah, just tiptoeing.

1419
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, walking on eggshells.

1420
01:22:06,199 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it was. Just Yeah, you could hear

1421
01:22:09,039 --> 01:22:11,159
it in his voice like he you know, he didn't

1422
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:14,279
even want to even think about it. But I just

1423
01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:16,720
remember that da. I just it just took me back

1424
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:23,520
to those days, and you know, just almost like I

1425
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,880
was cringing, like I was like waiting for the you know,

1426
01:22:27,119 --> 01:22:29,640
for the for the lightning strike to hit, you know,

1427
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,039
and then it didn't hit. I'm like, Okay, I guess

1428
01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:35,920
I'm all right. All right, we just keep going, you know.

1429
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta you gotta get that first question out

1430
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,439
the way. Yeah, all right, we have another color, Amasaia.

1431
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:49,199
Amasia is from Maryland and wants to talk about believing

1432
01:22:49,359 --> 01:22:50,199
versus knowing.

1433
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 2: Don't forget. If you are on TikTok, you can.

1434
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: Submit your request on TikTok and join the stage and

1435
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:04,600
we'll get to you next. A'masiah, how are you.

1436
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:07,119
Speaker 4: Good?

1437
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,279
Speaker 5: I think the name is pronoun is pronounced amaja.

1438
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,279
Speaker 1: I was going to ask if I was pronouncing it correct.

1439
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,399
Speaker 5: Okay, multiple Most people say the way that choose say,

1440
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,199
but it's Ama y'a and good evening to the both

1441
01:23:22,279 --> 01:23:25,399
of you. And let me let me just say, uh,

1442
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:30,920
the name of your show is the atheist experience, right,

1443
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,279
I have the spiritual experience.

1444
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:42,079
Speaker 1: I don't have a show.

1445
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:47,359
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm coming from the spiritual experience perspective.

1446
01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:51,279
And it's very, very difficult to explain the spiritual experience

1447
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:57,840
because it's invisible, okay, and and so, but I had

1448
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,920
fascinating conversations. Actually, I'm I'm having conversations with atheists and

1449
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:08,439
agnostic agnostic people because the ones that I've talked to

1450
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:14,760
they just need proof that this being, this creator exists

1451
01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:18,560
or not. And you know so, so one of the

1452
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,479
things I want to talk about is the notion of

1453
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,319
believing versus knowing.

1454
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: Do you believe in a God or is it just.

1455
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Spirits and souls?

1456
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:36,399
Speaker 5: No believer? I'm okay, let me let me, let me

1457
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:41,399
let me try to answer the question. I'm not a believer.

1458
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,760
I'm a nober. And there's the difference between someone who

1459
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:50,800
believes that God exists and one who knows based on

1460
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,439
the spiritual experiences that they have had.

1461
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so you and with the God of the Bible,

1462
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,000
which I know I am.

1463
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:03,359
Speaker 5: I am a nowhere of the heavily Father, the parent

1464
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:04,359
of humanity.

1465
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: What's what's what's his name?

1466
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 5: From Adam? From from from Adam. I just call him

1467
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,720
my father. He is my father. He's a heavily parent.

1468
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:14,920
Is it?

1469
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 2: Is it the one in the Bible, the Koran? Which

1470
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:18,159
one is it?

1471
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 5: It's mayam, ma'am again, it's it's my experience with this being.

1472
01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: What's the.

1473
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:32,039
Speaker 5: Okay I'm talking about Okay, all right, I'm talking about

1474
01:25:32,079 --> 01:25:36,520
the creator, the creator who created the world. I'm talking

1475
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:44,920
about the father of Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Moses, Jesus. That's

1476
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,199
who I'm talking about. So that's a life spiritual Let

1477
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:52,800
me just say this, man, that is a lie, ma'am.

1478
01:25:53,239 --> 01:25:55,880
Let me let me say this because this is a

1479
01:25:56,119 --> 01:26:01,239
live spiritual This is a live spiritiritual being that that

1480
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:06,039
I'm talking about. I'm not talking about concept. Okay, So

1481
01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:06,800
what's your question.

1482
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out. Is it the one that's

1483
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,600
that the Muslims know? Is it the one that the

1484
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,840
Jewish people know? Judaism is the one of the Christians know?

1485
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,760
Which one are you, which one do.

1486
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 5: You know is neither neither of them?

1487
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're not.

1488
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:29,399
Speaker 2: Isn't in the book?

1489
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,119
Speaker 1: Isn't in neither of these bibles?

1490
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:35,119
Speaker 5: Neither the no, no, no, ma'am. The heavenly Father that

1491
01:26:35,319 --> 01:26:38,920
I know that most Christian people call him God, it's

1492
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,479
a spirit It's a heavenly spiritual parent to me because

1493
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,520
I've had spiritual experiences with this being. But he is

1494
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,239
the father of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus. So this

1495
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:58,159
is the same heavenly Father that the Bible does talk about.

1496
01:26:59,079 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: I just asked you.

1497
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 5: You said that, Okay, well, but what I'm telling you

1498
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,439
is my experience with this heavenly Father is different from

1499
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:08,199
other religion.

1500
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:10,560
Speaker 1: I didn't ask about your serenity. I wanted to know,

1501
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,920
hold on, listen, hold on.

1502
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying. What you're saying.

1503
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm a ya.

1504
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:19,239
Speaker 2: Stop.

1505
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: First off, you need to remember who the host is, Okay,

1506
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,680
not you? All right, now, what I'm what I'm trying Okay,

1507
01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:29,680
all right, all right. What I'm trying to understand is

1508
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,640
what God you are talking about before you get into

1509
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,399
your spiritual experience. I didn't ask if you had the

1510
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:40,119
same experience as another person. I just asked, what God

1511
01:27:40,399 --> 01:27:42,880
is it that you are claiming to know? And if

1512
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,199
it is the God that is in the Bible, the Koran,

1513
01:27:46,359 --> 01:27:48,520
or whatever. Now that I have that answer, it is

1514
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:53,840
the God that is in the Bible, that the King

1515
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:59,319
James Bible, the the Hebrew Bible, the whatever translation or

1516
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,359
version of the Bible that deals with Christianity. That is

1517
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,600
the God that we will be discussing through your spiritual experiences.

1518
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 5: Is that?

1519
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 4: Okay?

1520
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 5: All right? Now now I understand what you're saying. I

1521
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,039
understand what you're saying.

1522
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Yes, now, okay, all right, go ahead. No relationship, okay,

1523
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:21,319
so all right, and tell us about relationship.

1524
01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:25,079
Speaker 5: Well, let me let me just like I was saying,

1525
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:30,000
the notion of believing versus versus knowing is two different things.

1526
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:33,239
Like you're I'm sorry, I didn't get your name. What's

1527
01:28:33,279 --> 01:28:33,640
your name?

1528
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:37,319
Speaker 6: My name?

1529
01:28:39,079 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Thinker.

1530
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,279
Speaker 5: Okay, your name is Thinker. So let's say let's say Thinker,

1531
01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:48,720
you and I need someone in common, and and someone

1532
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:52,680
and the person asks, and I asked, the person is

1533
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:58,039
Thinker a good cook? Does she cook very well? If

1534
01:28:58,119 --> 01:29:01,359
I say I believe that Thinker is a good cook,

1535
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:06,600
versus yes, absolutely, she is a good person who cooks. Well,

1536
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:12,720
that's two different things. So people who say that they

1537
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,239
believe in something, or they believe in God, or they

1538
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:19,920
believe in the same commandments, it's very easy for them,

1539
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:25,239
you know, the following week not to not to believe

1540
01:29:25,399 --> 01:29:30,079
in something. But if you know something absolutely, then there's

1541
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:32,479
no way that you that you will be you know,

1542
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,199
shaken like or we shaken in the winners. Jesus talks

1543
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:40,680
about someone who believes does that, and I can what

1544
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:41,720
is it that you know?

1545
01:29:42,119 --> 01:29:43,159
Speaker 2: But what is it that you know?

1546
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 5: What? What do you know?

1547
01:29:45,359 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Versus? All right, listen, I'm gonna give you a sixty

1548
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,159
second clock. I'm gonna give you a sixty second clock

1549
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:52,479
because I want you to be concise.

1550
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Okay, what is it that you know versus belief? Can

1551
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,439
we start the clock? Thank you? Go ahead?

1552
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 5: Okay. So I don't I actually know versus believing. These

1553
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,680
are the things that I know. I know through prayer.

1554
01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:12,600
That prayer, the prayer when I pray for something or

1555
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,960
pray for someone to be here who's in the hospital

1556
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:21,119
and have seen it. Therefore I know it. Then then

1557
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:24,000
the people that I pray for, even recently who's been

1558
01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:28,279
in the hospital. They've been released like the next day. Okay,

1559
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,479
that's something that I've experienced because I know the power

1560
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:38,239
of prayer. Okay, That's one thing. The spiritual experience is

1561
01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:44,840
very difficult to explain because it is invisible. Okay. So

1562
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,159
if I in my own personal experience, if I need

1563
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:54,840
something and it's like impossible that it could possibly happen.

1564
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:56,800
So we talked about faith.

1565
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Now Okay, wait, wait, okay, I'm a Jean. Your sixty

1566
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,520
seconds is up. That's why I asked you to like

1567
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,239
be really really concise, right, so that we can write

1568
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:07,039
this list.

1569
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 4: Out of trying.

1570
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 1: But ahma, Jean, you had sixty seconds, and I warned

1571
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,920
you ahead of time, right, So let's talk about this

1572
01:31:16,199 --> 01:31:19,439
knowing of prayer and your ability to heal. Like, let's

1573
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:24,760
let you you got one of them out. Well, you

1574
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,039
said that you prayed, Amajan.

1575
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:28,600
Speaker 5: Are you stopping?

1576
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm a jaid, I'm gonna mute you. I'm gonna mute

1577
01:31:32,279 --> 01:31:34,439
you if you don't know how to stop talking while

1578
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:34,960
I'm talking.

1579
01:31:35,319 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, all right.

1580
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 1: You said that you pray, you go to the hospital,

1581
01:31:41,399 --> 01:31:44,000
you pray, right, and then the person is released.

1582
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 2: The next day.

1583
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: That means you are claiming that the words that come

1584
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,479
out of your your mind, your heart, your mouth, whatever

1585
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,359
you say to the God that you believe, you know,

1586
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,159
have some effect on the health of the person that

1587
01:31:56,319 --> 01:31:59,119
is in the hospital. That is what you are claiming, correct,

1588
01:31:59,279 --> 01:32:03,159
whether they are field, whatever, your your prayer, your desire

1589
01:32:03,359 --> 01:32:06,640
of your heart, your God decided to do something for

1590
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,359
that person on behalf of you. Is that correct?

1591
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:15,199
Speaker 5: That's not really quite clear. Let me be clear about something.

1592
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,279
When I pray, I pray to the Father, I pray

1593
01:32:18,399 --> 01:32:21,199
to my heavenly Father. And when I know that, I

1594
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,720
know it. Okay, when I pray, I know it's going

1595
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,039
to happen there.

1596
01:32:27,159 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 1: Okay, don't.

1597
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 5: I don't have any issues when it comes to I.

1598
01:32:33,399 --> 01:32:36,319
Speaker 1: Know you like bragging on yourself. You like bragging on yourself.

1599
01:32:36,359 --> 01:32:36,800
We get it.

1600
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,319
Speaker 2: This is not gonna you do.

1601
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 1: This is not the show where you're gonna keep talking

1602
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,159
about how special you are. What we are trying to

1603
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,359
understand is what we're trying to understand is what is

1604
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,720
it that is happening when you say these words of

1605
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,000
the God that you know, and when I said that

1606
01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:55,720
your prayer is able to heal people, you say, I

1607
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:59,159
didn't say heal. So let's be specific, right when you

1608
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,239
say the words to your God, okay, and whether they

1609
01:33:03,399 --> 01:33:05,439
that you're speaking them with your mouth, whether it's doing

1610
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,800
it with your heart or whatever the desire that you have,

1611
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:12,039
you say to your God, your God loves Amajah so

1612
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:15,800
much that he moves on whoever is in the hospital,

1613
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:19,560
and and that person is released the next day. Now

1614
01:33:20,079 --> 01:33:21,880
you are not saying that those people are healed. You

1615
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,439
are saying that they are well enough for the doctors

1616
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,520
to release them the next day, that they no longer

1617
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,359
need medical intervention because your God has moved on. Behalf

1618
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:33,760
of Amajah. That is what you are saying.

1619
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:34,279
Speaker 2: Correct.

1620
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is through my prayer, the heavily Father heals.

1621
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,399
Speaker 3: Film It's not through me, so so he does heal?

1622
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, great, so your father heals all right? Amajah,

1623
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,000
ama Jah, a'ma jah.

1624
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,279
Speaker 2: Why why if you know this, why why haven't.

1625
01:33:54,039 --> 01:34:00,279
Speaker 1: You gone to Saint Jude's and cleared out the Saint

1626
01:34:00,359 --> 01:34:04,439
Jude's Hospital with all those children who are suffering from cancer,

1627
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,680
the parents who cannot afford treatment.

1628
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 2: Why why haven't you? Why haven't you done that?

1629
01:34:11,079 --> 01:34:12,359
Speaker 1: What are you and your God doing?

1630
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 5: I don know do you think that these parents.

1631
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,239
Speaker 2: Say, Judea's still in business? I said you.

1632
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,039
Speaker 1: You are the special Okay, why haven't you?

1633
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 5: Why haven't travel ma'am you saying that I'm the special one,

1634
01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:27,399
I'm not.

1635
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:29,560
Speaker 2: Why haven't you traveled?

1636
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 4: You are the one, am.

1637
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:32,279
Speaker 2: You are the one who knows.

1638
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 1: Why haven't you traveled to Saint jude and cleared out

1639
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,479
that hospital and healed those kids?

1640
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1641
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 4: Put them out of business?

1642
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right, let me let me answer the question.

1643
01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:46,600
I know, just just by common sense that those children,

1644
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:50,199
that those parents who have children in Saint Ju's or

1645
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:54,119
other hospitals, I know they pray for their for their children.

1646
01:34:55,359 --> 01:34:58,159
I know they do. I'm only talking about the people

1647
01:34:58,279 --> 01:35:03,000
that I know personally who was in the hospital. I prayed.

1648
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,920
I know that they were going to be healed, and

1649
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,119
they were healed.

1650
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,399
Speaker 2: Right, So why don't you go pray for these kids?

1651
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:11,079
Speaker 6: Right?

1652
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:14,039
Speaker 4: So if you have the juice, well you have.

1653
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: The hold on amo ama Jah, I'll let you talk.

1654
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:22,760
It's my turn. Why if you if you have the

1655
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:26,279
juice right, and you have the direct connection and and

1656
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,800
ama Jah and y'all weigh your God, whatever you call them,

1657
01:35:31,319 --> 01:35:35,720
your parent moves when you say daddy, I need right,

1658
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,439
why don't you go and pray for those children in

1659
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,880
saying Jude so they can get healed.

1660
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 5: In general, I really pray for everyone on the planet.

1661
01:35:47,239 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 4: That's okay, well, when I'm talking.

1662
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:54,199
Speaker 5: About personally personal, but this is a personal relationship I

1663
01:35:54,359 --> 01:35:59,680
have with my heavenly Father. When I pray for people, polleagues, friends,

1664
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:04,000
people that I know who have been hospitalized. When I

1665
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:09,399
pray and I know they will be healed, they are healed.

1666
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,439
I can only talk about the personal, the people that

1667
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,960
I've prayed for personally. I can't talk about every because

1668
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,960
everybody on the planet needs prayer. Let's be clear about that.

1669
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: So if you have the ability, why don't you go

1670
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:23,800
pray for the people the children.

1671
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 5: That need it. In general, ma'am, I pray for people

1672
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,720
on the planet. I pray for peace. I pray for

1673
01:36:31,279 --> 01:36:37,399
people in general. But when I talk about specifically, when

1674
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,119
I when I pray for someone specifically to be healed,

1675
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:44,520
all I know is because I know it will be done,

1676
01:36:45,159 --> 01:36:47,079
It's done. Okay.

1677
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: Can you pray and ask your God to convert me?

1678
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,239
Can you? Can you pray and ask your God to

1679
01:36:52,319 --> 01:36:54,399
make me a believer right now.

1680
01:36:56,279 --> 01:36:59,279
Speaker 5: I know, because that's a personal responsibility on your part.

1681
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 2: Have said whatever you asked, that He will do it

1682
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:02,960
for you.

1683
01:37:03,039 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 5: You just I'm talking about hearing someone in a hospital. Man,

1684
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:09,840
I'm not talking about someone converting to a religion.

1685
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: So they have to be in the hospital for put

1686
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:13,319
your prayer to work.

1687
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 5: They don't necessarily have to be the hospital. They could

1688
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,840
be home, they could be home.

1689
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,119
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, right that my rotator cuff is hill.

1690
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 2: My rotator cuff is hill, right now, ma'am.

1691
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,319
Speaker 5: Ma'am, I don't I don't you You're trying to make

1692
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:33,359
this like a It seems like that you are the

1693
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:37,560
integrity of when I'm talking to you. You.

1694
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 1: Oh, so you have to know me. You have to

1695
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:41,720
know me to pray for me.

1696
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 2: You have to you have to know me to pray

1697
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:44,079
for me.

1698
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 5: As I have said, as I've said, the people that

1699
01:37:49,159 --> 01:37:53,119
I pray for, people that I know. Okay, And the

1700
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:55,600
only point I'm making from this phone call is a

1701
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:59,920
difference between believing and knowing. People who believe ever really

1702
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:02,880
means nothing. People who believe in you know, when people

1703
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,640
ask me, do I believe in God? You know what

1704
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:08,439
I tell them. I tell them, no, that's because you

1705
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:12,479
think you know. I would say I thought, right, so

1706
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,399
when I tell them, but you don't, you're not.

1707
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,239
Speaker 1: Doing anything different than somebody who believes. You've made excuses

1708
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,119
for why you can't pray. You've made excuses for why

1709
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:25,039
you can't pray, like you're not doing any Yes, you did. No,

1710
01:38:25,239 --> 01:38:29,359
I'm talking about I'm talking about the I've asked, why

1711
01:38:29,399 --> 01:38:31,760
don't you pray for the children that Saint Jude You've

1712
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,199
made an excuse for that. I've asked. I've asked, I've asked,

1713
01:38:35,279 --> 01:38:42,359
I've asked why, Like God, damn, goodness gracious, because you

1714
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,680
keep talking. You keep talking while I'm talking, like damn,

1715
01:38:46,039 --> 01:38:47,760
like you're making me have to yell over you.

1716
01:38:49,279 --> 01:38:55,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, all right. All I'm saying is I know,

1717
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:57,560
I know the power of prayer. And there is a

1718
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,319
difference between believing in something and knowing something. And most

1719
01:39:01,399 --> 01:39:04,960
people who say that they're believers, they are to me,

1720
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,119
from my experience with people who say they believe in Christ,

1721
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:10,159
will believe.

1722
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 4: You in God.

1723
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 5: They really don't understand what it means to have faith.

1724
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:19,520
They don't understand that it's better to know something versus

1725
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,800
then to believe in something If we.

1726
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 2: Can't test it, what do you call it the brag?

1727
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 1: Like if we can't, if we can't, ask you to

1728
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,000
manifest it, Like when.

1729
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,079
Speaker 2: You don't stop, be quiet, be quiet.

1730
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: Every time I open my mouth, you open yours. This

1731
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,039
is ridiculous because this is this is ridiculous. I am

1732
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,680
going to mute you, like, this is ridiculous. You're a

1733
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:42,800
grown ass man.

1734
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 2: Stop. Like My question is what did you call it

1735
01:39:48,079 --> 01:39:49,479
here for? If we can't test it?

1736
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 1: Like, did you call it here the brag? We're like,

1737
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:56,520
we're asking you to show us this this thing that.

1738
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:57,560
Speaker 2: You claim to know.

1739
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:02,199
Speaker 1: Right, if you know this and you and you know

1740
01:40:02,359 --> 01:40:06,000
that you have this uh connection with this with this god,

1741
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:09,399
you don't believe it, then show it. That's all we're

1742
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:09,960
asking you.

1743
01:40:13,079 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 4: All right, Hello, Hello, Yeah, go ahead, Okay.

1744
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 5: As I said in the beginning, it's very very difficult

1745
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,840
to explain what the spiritual experience is, okay, because spiritual

1746
01:40:31,159 --> 01:40:36,199
spiritually spiritual things are invisible and people can't see it

1747
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:40,319
in general, because people most of the world or almost

1748
01:40:40,359 --> 01:40:43,399
all the world is spiritually dead. That's why we have

1749
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:47,159
the problems that we have. And even in Christianity. How

1750
01:40:47,279 --> 01:40:52,640
can there be one Bible and four hundred denominations of Christianity.

1751
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:57,000
It doesn't make sense. So if you go, if you,

1752
01:40:57,199 --> 01:41:00,640
if you talk about different parts of Christianity entity. And

1753
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:05,039
that's why atheists laugh at Christians because the things that

1754
01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:08,640
Christian believes don't make sense according to the Bible.

1755
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,199
Speaker 4: All right, can I can I jump in real quick?

1756
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 3: I got I got going.

1757
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,239
Speaker 4: I want to ask you something. So me and part

1758
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:18,079
I had a I had a talk with a Hindu Muslim.

1759
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,880
I'm sorry, excuse me, not a Hindu Muslim, a Hindu monk.

1760
01:41:22,319 --> 01:41:25,319
I had to talk with Hindu monk. It's about a

1761
01:41:25,399 --> 01:41:30,560
year ago. And he told me that he was one

1762
01:41:31,279 --> 01:41:39,520
convinced that the ultimate consciousness exists also Noms Brahma, because

1763
01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:44,760
he personally tapped into it and he knows for a

1764
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,760
fact that it's real, and that what he told me

1765
01:41:48,039 --> 01:41:52,119
was that this consciousness like did a data dump into

1766
01:41:52,199 --> 01:41:55,520
his head and that verifies for him that he knows

1767
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,319
it's true. And he said that he got to this

1768
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:02,279
point because he worked with Guru and he meditated, and

1769
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,119
he said that for me to explain it to you

1770
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,800
is like trying to explain how honey tastes sweet to

1771
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,680
someone who's never ever tasted it. So he's saying a

1772
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,640
lot of what you're saying, and so I think what

1773
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:22,000
we're trying to get you to go is does that

1774
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:26,840
mean that because he personally knows like you do, that

1775
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,079
Hinduism is true?

1776
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 5: Well, okay, that's his experience, right, He's talking about the consciousness,

1777
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,960
and so because of those experiences, he believed that the

1778
01:42:42,079 --> 01:42:42,880
hindu is true.

1779
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:47,119
Speaker 4: Because no, he said, he knows. He knows this singular

1780
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,680
consciousness is real. He knows it because he personally tapped

1781
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,199
into it. Yeah, and it gave him.

1782
01:42:55,039 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 3: It did a data dump in his head.

1783
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 5: Okay, so what's the question?

1784
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 3: Sure, Well, the question is is Hinduism true?

1785
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,359
Speaker 5: I don't know if Hinduism is true?

1786
01:43:09,199 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 4: Okay, well it's but it's the same exact reason you

1787
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,399
just gave us. So that makes it true because he knows.

1788
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 5: So so you're asking me what you're asking me, what

1789
01:43:23,079 --> 01:43:25,119
do I know is true? No?

1790
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 4: No, no, you you started this conversation with saying, there's

1791
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:30,439
a belief difference between belief and knowledge.

1792
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 3: I know, I don't believe.

1793
01:43:32,079 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 4: I know because of a spiritual experience that I had

1794
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:39,359
that I can't explain. Okay, And okay, so he has this,

1795
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:44,239
He had the same type of experience, he did the

1796
01:43:44,359 --> 01:43:47,600
same things, he tapped into singular consciousness, and he knows

1797
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,720
for a fact, according to him, that spiritual consciousness is real,

1798
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:56,119
Hinduism is true, and all that good stuff. So by

1799
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:59,279
that logic, the same logic you laid out for us,

1800
01:43:59,319 --> 01:44:00,560
that means we should all be Hindu.

1801
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:07,039
Speaker 5: Right, Look, based on what based on what you're saying,

1802
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:11,800
there really is no coalation. There is no coalation because

1803
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:15,159
even with his experience, and he knows about his experience,

1804
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:19,239
I'm gonna question that. What with people have different spiritual

1805
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:25,760
experiences with There's all these different names for this creator

1806
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,880
who created this universe and who created humanity. There's all

1807
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,319
these names, but they're talking about the same person.

1808
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I would believe.

1809
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:40,600
Speaker 1: The Hindu account before I believe yours. Because the guy,

1810
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:45,239
the one with the spiritual experience that's claiming to know

1811
01:44:45,359 --> 01:44:48,079
that consciousness is true, is not claiming that consciousness is

1812
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:49,119
doing anything.

1813
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 2: They're not claiming to have supernatural powers.

1814
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 5: Like you.

1815
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 1: Okay, And then you don't have evidence to back up

1816
01:44:58,640 --> 01:44:59,439
what you claim.

1817
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did ask you to demonstrate well she did.

1818
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,159
She asked you to demonstrate. But I would have had this.

1819
01:45:04,279 --> 01:45:05,600
I would have had the same request.

1820
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:09,239
Speaker 5: Okay, So I did. I didn't say that I have

1821
01:45:09,399 --> 01:45:10,760
supernatural powers.

1822
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,119
Speaker 1: You claim to have access to a supernatural entity who

1823
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:21,560
does supernatural things. When you pray, that is supernatural powers.

1824
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,920
That is something outside of natural.

1825
01:45:24,079 --> 01:45:27,159
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, okay, let me let me I have

1826
01:45:27,239 --> 01:45:29,359
a question for both of you. Can I answer the question?

1827
01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 4: Go ahead?

1828
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,640
Speaker 5: Can I answer? Okay, full, for both of you. Do

1829
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:40,880
both of you have a mind? Am I? Nd? Do

1830
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:46,239
both of you have a mind? Okay? You saying no?

1831
01:45:46,359 --> 01:45:47,079
Speaker 4: Well don't you, sir?

1832
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:48,279
Speaker 5: No?

1833
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:49,199
Speaker 3: I said no?

1834
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Who said nobody said no?

1835
01:45:51,359 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 5: Okay? I just I just answered yes, understood, Yeah, okay

1836
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:57,640
you okay, all right, sir?

1837
01:45:58,119 --> 01:46:00,600
Speaker 4: So you have a mind, right of course?

1838
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:03,159
Speaker 5: Where is it?

1839
01:46:04,119 --> 01:46:08,560
Speaker 4: Show me? Show me. It's a byproduct of my brain.

1840
01:46:09,359 --> 01:46:12,279
It's a byproduct of my brain. It's the inner workings

1841
01:46:12,319 --> 01:46:13,119
of my black hands.

1842
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 1: The mind is the thing that there is evidence. The

1843
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:18,279
mind is the things that the brain does.

1844
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the mechanisms.

1845
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:24,239
Speaker 4: Take but the mind the mind is invisible.

1846
01:46:24,399 --> 01:46:25,079
Speaker 5: Is invisible?

1847
01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:25,399
Speaker 6: Right?

1848
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,319
Speaker 4: We can but we can measure it, We can test it.

1849
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:31,319
It's okay, we can we can verify that it's.

1850
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 5: I can't see it.

1851
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,319
Speaker 1: We're not talking about what you can't see here. You

1852
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:39,399
are claiming that a god did something. And we're asking

1853
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:43,760
you to show us the same way that we can

1854
01:46:44,119 --> 01:46:47,359
show you, like right now, our mind. We are using

1855
01:46:48,199 --> 01:46:53,520
our brain right to communicate our We are using our

1856
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,920
brain to will you stop because you did not cut trust,

1857
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:02,520
but verify exactly exactly, so stop. We are using our

1858
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:09,920
brain to communicate our thoughts to you, which is a representation,

1859
01:47:10,079 --> 01:47:13,399
a demonstration of our mind. What we are asking you

1860
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,600
to do is to do the same thing for us

1861
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:17,359
with this prayer claim.

1862
01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:17,520
Speaker 9: That you have.

1863
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 5: Oh, what's the question?

1864
01:47:25,039 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 3: Could you please demonstrate it for us?

1865
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:32,319
Speaker 5: Demonstrate what what I said about when I pray and

1866
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:35,960
when I pray for people and then they get well.

1867
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: And so what you're asking, No, we're asking you to

1868
01:47:40,039 --> 01:47:42,279
jump up and down and do ten jumping jackson, turn

1869
01:47:42,399 --> 01:47:45,319
up a cartwheel, and then show us what your mind is.

1870
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,199
Like what do you think we are talking about right now?

1871
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:55,039
Speaker 4: Like throa is that you can pray and heal people,

1872
01:47:55,039 --> 01:47:58,399
and people will be healed after you pray, and but

1873
01:47:58,520 --> 01:47:59,840
then you put some conditions on it.

1874
01:48:00,079 --> 01:48:01,079
Speaker 1: I got to know the person.

1875
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Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine. So what we're asking for our receipts.

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That's what we're asking for. The question is give us

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receipts of this claim that you have that you have

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prayed for people that you know to be healed in

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the hospital and they walked out of the hospital the

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next day.

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Speaker 3: We're asking for receipts.

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Speaker 5: Okay. So when you say receipts, you mean you want

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me to give you the name of the people that

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I prayed for that were hospitalized and they know. Well, no,

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what do you mean by repeats?

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Speaker 2: What do you want to We want to demonstrate it.

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Speaker 3: We want to demonstrate it, we want to test it.

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Speaker 5: Well, the only way that it's tested is based on

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the results of the prayer. That's the receipts.

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Speaker 4: Can do it?

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Speaker 1: God, that's what we're asking for it. And I literally

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just told you pray rotator cuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she told you about the rotator cuff.

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01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 5: I don't have to prove anything to you. All I'm

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doing is telling you, well, my experience is when I pray.

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Speaker 4: And that I know, Hey where just believe you.

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Speaker 5: Knows?

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Speaker 1: Because he said so, yeah, what are we supposed to

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do with that?

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Speaker 5: What? What?

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01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 1: What should we do next?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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01:49:25,159 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 4: So let's okay, let's rewind it back. I don't know,

1904
01:49:28,079 --> 01:49:29,840
what do you think to think about five minutes? Let's

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just remind it five minutes. And let's just say, hell.

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Speaker 1: The beginning, because he started with at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: Okay, the beginning. We'll just we'll just rewind it back

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to the beginning. And you have just told us that

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01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:44,680
you pray and people you have prayed for people you know,

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and the next day they walked out of the hospital.

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Now what just help us out here? Okay, help us out?

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What should our next move be? What should Thinker and

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I do next?

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Speaker 5: I'm the I'm asking you want to do anything next?

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Speaker 4: I'm just didn't ask you that. I'm asking you, sir, Sir, sir,

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I'm asking you what should we do next? What are

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we supposed to do any w what what you just

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told us? Brother? What you just told us?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 1: What should we do next?

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Speaker 5: You don't? Okay? And then my answer is you don't

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have to do anything.

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Speaker 1: Why are you here? Understood?

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Speaker 5: But why are you wanted? I called the showing good

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say to talk about believing and knowing something and just

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give an example of what my faith is when I

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pray and what happens. That's all. That's the only reason

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why I'm calling That's it.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 5: I'm not asking you, when the co hosts, to do anything. Okay,

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I'm not asking you to do it. But why what

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do you want to do next? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 5: You do?

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Speaker 4: Do you do?

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Speaker 1: You know why we're here?

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Speaker 5: You're having that? You have what show of atheism? Right?

1938
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Speaker 3: What's what?

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Speaker 4: What's what's the purpose of the shows? It is called

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01:51:07,159 --> 01:51:10,199
atheists experience? But what what what do you think it

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is that thinker and I are doing here?

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Speaker 5: Well, you're given you talk about and you've given reason

1943
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two talk about read the reason why that both of

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you are atheists?

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, we talked to people who believe, well, we

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talk to people who believe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and but we're not specifically giving reasons.

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Speaker 4: Well okay, what we're okay, So what I'm trying to

1949
01:51:45,079 --> 01:51:49,800
understand is you called you called us, right, you came here,

1950
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and now have you watched the show before?

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01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,359
Speaker 5: I've seen this so many times and that's okay, okay.

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01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 4: You've seen it many times. Fantastic, Okay, So it's not

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just the host here. We don't just talk all day

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about why we don't believe, right, I mean, we give reasons,

1955
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you know, and it's a pretty but that's a very

1956
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:13,520
very small part of the show, right. The biggest part

1957
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:16,079
of the show is to talk to folks like yourself who,

1958
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,279
in your case, know things, right. We want to know

1959
01:52:20,359 --> 01:52:24,399
why you know things, Okay. But what it sounds like

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is because we're asking why, thinker was asking you why

1961
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and having you demonstrate it. But what it sounds like

1962
01:52:33,279 --> 01:52:35,680
is what you expected us to do is just say, okay,

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well thanks for that, thanks for taking our call, and

1964
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then we move on. I mean, this is supposed to

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be a conversation, right, So we're asking you to demonstrate

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01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:49,960
it because in we're asking for evidence. I mean, from

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my perspective, I want to be convinced, so okay, yeah,

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so that's why we're asking you to demonstrate it. Okay,

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you got to be Okay.

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Speaker 5: The only demonstration I have is based on the results

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01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:09,720
of my prayer. Okay, I can't do anything else other

1972
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than that, so okay, but.

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Speaker 4: We're we're asking you to produce those results. Again, those

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are the receipts we're asking for.

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Speaker 5: What do you mean produce those again?

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Speaker 4: Were you talking about, Well, you said the results of

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your prayer, and we're asking you to produce the results

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of the prayer again so we can observe this, so

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we can understand what's going on that does your friends have.

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Speaker 1: To pay a medical bill? Do your friends have to

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pay a medical.

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Speaker 4: Listen?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, okay, okay, hold on, hold on?

1984
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Speaker 5: Can I can? I?

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Speaker 4: Can I say something real quick, Thinker? I'm sorry, I

1986
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got I gotta say something. This is really starting to

1987
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:54,000
bother you. Hold on, Amaja, I gotta say something because

1988
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:58,520
absolutely I am seeing this in real time. Every time

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Thinker says something, you cut right in. Every time I

1990
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say something, you stop and you listen. And I just

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need you to afford Thinker the same level of courtesy

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and respect that you're affording me, because it's starting to

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01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,319
bother me that you know, I'm just feeling like this

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woman is getting disrespected here and I really need you

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to do that. So can you do that for us?

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Because otherwise, you know, this is gonna get spicy real

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quick because I can't. I can't tolerate that anymore. I

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gotta I gotta say something, So can you do that

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for me? Before we go for I can do that

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because that I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate that, I really do.

2002
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say I never need a man to

2003
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do that, because I will cut some motherfucker out in

2004
01:54:50,119 --> 01:54:53,119
a minute for I understand and and and but I

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do appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I just have to say something, though, because it was

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01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:57,119
bothering me.

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Speaker 4: No seriously, And I'm fully aware that you can do that, thinker,

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01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,399
but I'd still have to say something yeah, no, no.

2010
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.

2011
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Speaker 1: But I think men need to respect women because women,

2012
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uh say, hey, you are not going to disrespect me,

2013
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but I do. I do appreciate that. Thank you so

2014
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:19,680
much for that. But what I wanted to know is

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01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:26,079
do your friends have medical bills, the ones that you

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prayed to, the ones that you prayed for, the ones

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that you prayed for, the ones that you are God

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healed for you do they have to pay a doctor?

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Speaker 5: And they didn't? They the ones the ones that were

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hospital eyes or at homesick and I prayed for and

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they within you know, a day or so, they become well.

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Sometimes it takes longer than a week. But the bottom

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line is that they got well. You're asking me if

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they had medical bills.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do they have to a doctor for yes? Do

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they have to pay a doctor for their.

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Speaker 5: I I guess if they're in the hospital, if they've

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been in the hospital, I guess they had a medical bill.

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I was just praying for them to for them to

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expeditiously get well and get it. And based on my

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experience of faith and when I pray, I absolutely know

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it's going to happen. I can't I can't understand that

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because it's very I mean, I can't explain it because

2034
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it's spiritual. You cannot explain.

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Speaker 1: Spiritualained anything spiritual at all.

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Speaker 5: So my my prayer, so my praying for someone is

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that the Father would heal them. That's not spiritual.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that he does it for my power?

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Why do you think he does it for you or

2040
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not them?

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Speaker 5: This is very s so well, okay, even the people

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that I pray for what they pray also they pray

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for to get well people.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So then people they pray in the case in

2045
01:57:08,439 --> 01:57:11,119
Majia not being the case, then why didn't it work

2046
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for them?

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Speaker 3: And it's working for you?

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Speaker 5: I'm saying in general, when people when there's because I

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wasn't the only one praying for them.

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Speaker 4: So sorry, so sorry, I gotta I got a question

2051
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:24,239
up on the board. I got a question on board,

2052
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So I just got to stay linear here for a second.

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I just need to know why there's nothing when they

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don't When they pray, it doesn't work. But when you pray,

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it does work. That's all I need to hear the answer.

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Speaker 5: I did not. I did not say when they pray

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it doesn't work. I'm sure they pray, I know, because

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these are people of prayer. But I know what I pray.

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When I pray, I know that they're going to be

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healed because I already believe that it or know that

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01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,880
it's already going to happen. Not to say if they

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pray for themselves that they don't have that face. They

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pray it hopes to get well. I just know by

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my experience of praise for people, they get well.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so my experiod, you prayed, okay, excellent. If you

2066
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prayed for Thinker's rotator cuff to be healed right now,

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would it be healed right now?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 9: I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I'm not. Look, you're not going to turn this into

2071
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a circus This is not a circus.

2072
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:29,319
Speaker 3: You all, because you know.

2073
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 1: You are you are, Oh my god, anytime we ask

2074
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:39,279
you all to demonstrate these so called connections or powers

2075
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or not that you know you all have excuses.

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Speaker 3: For why you three time one time work.

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Speaker 2: And then the fact that your.

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Speaker 1: Your friends have to pay doctors for their healing. Like

2079
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if I was your friend, like I'd be pissed. You're

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you're claiming the supernatural healing and then they still got

2081
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these medical bills.

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Speaker 5: It's okay that you don't believe in what I'm saying.

2083
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It really is okay.

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01:59:07,479 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 2: To get rid of the medical bills too.

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Speaker 5: That's that's he that's not no.

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Speaker 2: He healed and if he hold on hello, hello stop.

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Speaker 1: If he healed them, then what needs to come along

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with that is that they don't pay medical bills because

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your God did the work. Why why don't you ask

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him to get rid of the medical bills?

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Speaker 5: To ma'am, when you're going to the emergency room, that's

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going to be a bill, right, nothing that there's nothing.

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01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:51,479
How can God get rid of emergency bill? When going

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to the hospital, there's going to be a bill.

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Speaker 10: Right, So why couldn't Why couldn't God ma'am, let me

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infusion in the minds of the billing department at the hospital,

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and it just is they're just confused when they try

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to build a patient.

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Speaker 4: You know what. I mean that that God could just

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throw confusion out there, you know, or he could just

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or he could just go in and zero it it

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out in the computer. I mean it's I mean, it's.

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Speaker 5: Has surgery. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, money covered up,

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that's what that's what you believe.

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Speaker 4: That's what you believe.

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Speaker 5: And that's fine.

2107
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Speaker 2: But limited.

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Speaker 1: Sounds quite limited to appendicitis.

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Speaker 4: Just we're just trying to think of ways to help

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you show us. That's all we're doing. We're trying to

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make because honestly, it is not making any sense. It's

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making no sense.

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Speaker 5: Well okay, well it longer makes sense to me. That's

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all it's important. I didn't say anything about God praying

2115
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to God that they don't have a medical bill. Okay.

2116
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I can pray that. I can pray for surgery or

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surgery to be successful with someone that I know, which

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I've done many times, and most almost all the time,

2119
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the surgery has been successful almost every time.

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Speaker 4: Percy said it was every time I caught that I

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caught that first he said it was every time. Man,

2122
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,319
I'm feeling I'm hearing cap now. First he said it

2123
02:01:30,399 --> 02:01:34,920
was every time. It's almost every time, every ten, every captain.

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Speaker 5: And let me just say every time to be healed.

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02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:44,760
Speaker 2: No, no, why are they even going in surgery?

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02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 1: If you have the first as your daddy to heal them,

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they shouldn't even be going in surgery.

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Speaker 6: That makes no sense.

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02:01:53,159 --> 02:01:57,119
Speaker 5: That makes so if someone needs medical someone who needs

2130
02:01:57,159 --> 02:01:58,479
medical attention should not go.

2131
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:03,520
Speaker 1: You are claim you are claiming that you can pray

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for them to be healed. If you can pray, what

2133
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:09,319
are you asking for when you pray, what do.

2134
02:02:09,399 --> 02:02:09,840
Speaker 4: You ask for?

2135
02:02:13,079 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 5: Well, if you're praying for someone to be healed, what

2136
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would you say?

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02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean no, If you're asking for them to be healed,

2138
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then they should not need surgery.

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02:02:22,439 --> 02:02:27,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if someone goes to the hospital and needs

2140
02:02:27,439 --> 02:02:31,960
medical attention, they should get it right from the doctors.

2141
02:02:32,039 --> 02:02:34,800
Speaker 1: You are claiming that you got a supernatural daddy.

2142
02:02:35,359 --> 02:02:40,039
Speaker 5: So so if so I didn't say that, yes.

2143
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:44,479
Speaker 4: You did that somebody who who's better than the doctor.

2144
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That's what you've been telling you.

2145
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:49,319
Speaker 5: Okay, well, okay, okay, but the mean that the thing

2146
02:02:49,479 --> 02:02:53,279
is if someone needs surgery, they need to have surgery.

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02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:54,039
Speaker 1: Okay, but.

2148
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:00,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, so after so even so, if I'm praying for

2149
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:03,439
them to have a successful surgery and then heal, what's

2150
02:03:03,479 --> 02:03:04,720
wrong with that? Wait?

2151
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 1: What is he healing?

2152
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:07,960
Speaker 2: Gang Green? What what is your god healer?

2153
02:03:08,399 --> 02:03:09,000
Speaker 1: What's he healing?

2154
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:16,159
Speaker 5: If someone well, well, let me just get well. One example,

2155
02:03:16,359 --> 02:03:18,920
heart surgery, heart surgery.

2156
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:23,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, people heal from that all the time. Man, Wait

2157
02:03:23,399 --> 02:03:28,199
a minute, he healed heart surgery. The person the person

2158
02:03:28,479 --> 02:03:29,479
had surgery.

2159
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:35,880
Speaker 5: Okay, right, the person has surgery. I'm praised what they do.

2160
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:39,119
Speaker 2: What is your God heal?

2161
02:03:41,279 --> 02:03:45,039
Speaker 5: I pray that they have a successful surgery and the

2162
02:03:45,239 --> 02:03:48,880
answer the surgery, that they can heal and they will

2163
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,399
heal and get better. That's all I pray for.

2164
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:57,800
Speaker 2: That's time heals all God?

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Speaker 6: Well, well, but but I believe that God, that God heals.

2166
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:07,359
Speaker 2: The only thing you know is time.

2167
02:04:08,079 --> 02:04:09,840
Speaker 1: That's it time.

2168
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 5: The only thing I know is why.

2169
02:04:12,439 --> 02:04:13,039
Speaker 1: It's time?

2170
02:04:13,359 --> 02:04:16,520
Speaker 4: People, it does right time.

2171
02:04:18,439 --> 02:04:21,600
Speaker 1: That's that's not your way. That's not your way. That's time.

2172
02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:29,680
Speaker 5: What do you agree with that? But if God? But

2173
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:32,000
if I pray that the person heals and they heal,

2174
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:34,720
and I know they're going to be healed. Then they're

2175
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:37,840
going to I'm just going by my experience. I'm just

2176
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:39,680
telling you all my experience. That's all I'm doing.

2177
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:44,640
Speaker 3: Okay, do you okay? I just googled this real quick.

2178
02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:47,479
Speaker 4: Do you know the rate the percentage of people who

2179
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:50,840
do not heal from heart surgery? What is that percentage?

2180
02:04:51,239 --> 02:04:54,640
I don't you don't know? Okay, So according to Google,

2181
02:04:54,760 --> 02:05:00,880
it's one per one to two percent. So you're you're

2182
02:05:01,359 --> 02:05:04,079
praying for something that has a ninety eight percent chance

2183
02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:09,680
of success. Brother, Okay, you know what that's like.

2184
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:11,720
Speaker 5: You know what that's like. This is what this is like.

2185
02:05:12,039 --> 02:05:14,439
Speaker 4: What this is like is for me standing at the

2186
02:05:14,479 --> 02:05:17,800
bus stop saying, I pray that this bus will come

2187
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,640
at seven fifty shows up. That's what you're praying for.

2188
02:05:22,319 --> 02:05:25,359
Speaker 3: And then and then they're like, see, there's God right

2189
02:05:25,399 --> 02:05:25,960
here in my life.

2190
02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:27,119
Speaker 2: I know them, I know him.

2191
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:31,079
Speaker 1: This is wild, brother, this is wild. This is no

2192
02:05:31,239 --> 02:05:34,199
different than people saying like the hold on, This is

2193
02:05:34,279 --> 02:05:36,439
no different than the last collar and the last collar

2194
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:39,600
like little sweetheart, it's a sweetheart, but the last call

2195
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:43,000
is saying that he knows that this God exists because

2196
02:05:43,079 --> 02:05:51,279
he breathes like your lungs work. Yeah, right, like time happens,

2197
02:05:52,119 --> 02:05:55,640
your wounds close up, they heal as time goes on.

2198
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:00,159
Speaker 2: And then I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.

2199
02:06:00,399 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 1: That your friend who had heart surgery had follow up appointments,

2200
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:09,279
had post up care, right, and y'all wigh, wasn't that

2201
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:12,840
the angels won't his nurses or her nurses?

2202
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:18,000
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, look, I understand y'all position. I was just

2203
02:06:18,119 --> 02:06:21,479
calling in good faith to talk about my my experience

2204
02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:24,199
in prayer and my experience when it comes to knowing

2205
02:06:25,079 --> 02:06:32,399
that you know that this spiritual being, my heavenly Father exists.

2206
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:35,359
That's the purpose of my call. And I think that

2207
02:06:35,479 --> 02:06:37,880
you once said, well for you to get a set

2208
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:40,279
with me or whatever, I just call him good faith

2209
02:06:40,359 --> 02:06:43,039
to talk about you have. Your show was called the

2210
02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:47,199
eighth experience, and I have what I call the spiritual experience.

2211
02:06:47,319 --> 02:06:52,199
It's very, very difficult to explain spiritual experiences because you

2212
02:06:52,359 --> 02:06:55,880
can't see them, but you can see didn't see that,

2213
02:06:57,479 --> 02:06:58,359
Yeah you didn't.

2214
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,239
Speaker 2: You didn't see that either. You didn't see that either.

2215
02:07:01,279 --> 02:07:04,159
Speaker 4: I didn't see what you didn't you God here?

2216
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:08,319
Speaker 1: You didn't see your God heal anybody? You saw time heal?

2217
02:07:08,359 --> 02:07:08,880
Speaker 6: All woun.

2218
02:07:10,920 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 5: All right, al and you're entitled to that and I

2219
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:16,880
respect that. All I know is that's just one example

2220
02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:21,880
I know of that I've had in prayer, more than

2221
02:07:22,039 --> 02:07:27,279
just going to the hospital, where where through faith, in

2222
02:07:27,439 --> 02:07:32,680
my faith in prayer, that the good results I prayed

2223
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:37,399
for took place. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying

2224
02:07:37,439 --> 02:07:40,640
to a well it's you or the callers who are listening.

2225
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:45,199
Speaker 9: I'm just talking about my experience, my spiritual experiences with

2226
02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:49,600
my heavenly Father and my experiences when it comes through

2227
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:53,680
prayer and knowing that when what I prayed for because

2228
02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:58,760
of faith, that it will be done. And I'm only

2229
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:01,399
going by my experienced.

2230
02:08:01,479 --> 02:08:02,319
Speaker 2: You don't believe that.

2231
02:08:04,319 --> 02:08:06,479
Speaker 5: Oh, now you're going to tell me what I don't believe.

2232
02:08:07,399 --> 02:08:09,600
Speaker 1: You don't or as you would have prayed, as you

2233
02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:13,000
would have prayed for the kids in Saint June.

2234
02:08:13,279 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if it's that powerful, or you could

2235
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:18,680
have prayed for thinkers rotator cut.

2236
02:08:19,039 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 1: Oh you don't like me, that's why you keep telling

2237
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:21,039
me off.

2238
02:08:21,479 --> 02:08:23,279
Speaker 2: But the little kids.

2239
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:28,079
Speaker 5: Don't tell me what I don't believe, ma'am you would

2240
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have prayed for the kids, and say you are minimizing

2241
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:33,239
because I don't have receipts and I only even know

2242
02:08:33,319 --> 02:08:35,640
what that means. You're going to tell me that that's

2243
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:38,079
not what I believe. It's not what I believe. Is

2244
02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:41,000
what I know is what I've experienced.

2245
02:08:41,079 --> 02:08:41,600
Speaker 4: Then you don't know.

2246
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:45,039
Speaker 1: It's interesting that I said, you don't believe that, and

2247
02:08:45,159 --> 02:08:46,960
he's defending belief.

2248
02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:49,399
Speaker 2: But he called in to say he don't believe. He

2249
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:51,479
knows what. But you went to.

2250
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Speaker 5: Because because you used the word belief. I know, I

2251
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:01,199
don't believe. I don't believe that a God exists. I know.

2252
02:09:02,479 --> 02:09:04,720
Speaker 2: I didn't you think about whether or not you believe

2253
02:09:04,720 --> 02:09:05,479
that God exists.

2254
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:09,199
Speaker 1: Didn't say that. I said, you don't believe that you

2255
02:09:09,359 --> 02:09:12,640
can pray and people are healed? Like you don't you

2256
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:17,760
don't believe what your God says in this Bible either. Hey, hello, Hello,

2257
02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:20,560
you also don't believe in uh and shut it up.

2258
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,159
Sometimes you don't believe what the God in this Bible

2259
02:09:24,279 --> 02:09:26,760
says because Jesus says that you should be able to

2260
02:09:27,199 --> 02:09:29,479
touch in and heal people.

2261
02:09:30,319 --> 02:09:32,000
Speaker 2: Right, You're you weren't.

2262
02:09:32,039 --> 02:09:34,159
Speaker 1: Willing to do that for the children, And say, dude,

2263
02:09:34,479 --> 02:09:41,159
you are not willing empty out Hello, hello, Hello, are

2264
02:09:41,319 --> 02:09:45,560
not willing to put Saint Jude out of business and

2265
02:09:45,720 --> 02:09:48,439
and reign relief to the hearts of the parents who's

2266
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:51,640
uh having to try to figure out how to pay

2267
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:54,880
those hefty medical bills or try to figure out how

2268
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:57,239
to raise money so that they can take care of

2269
02:09:57,680 --> 02:09:59,520
so that their kids can get the medicine and the

2270
02:09:59,560 --> 02:10:02,239
treatment they need. If you are claiming that you have

2271
02:10:02,399 --> 02:10:07,159
the ability to pray and people are healed, if you

2272
02:10:07,359 --> 02:10:10,600
actually believe that you would be praying for the children

2273
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:16,600
in Saint Jude Hospital, you don't actually believe that or.

2274
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:22,720
Speaker 5: Know it, and you're entitled to that, and you're you

2275
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:24,920
are entitled to that. All I know is what I

2276
02:10:25,079 --> 02:10:29,199
know and what I've experienced, and I'm not called. I

2277
02:10:29,279 --> 02:10:31,560
did not call it to convince you or the co

2278
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:34,399
hosts or the people at home. I just called in

2279
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:39,079
good faith because I've had fantastic conversations with people who

2280
02:10:39,119 --> 02:10:44,199
are atheists, agnostic, some of them on my colleagues, and

2281
02:10:44,279 --> 02:10:47,640
I have respect for them. I just called to talk

2282
02:10:47,720 --> 02:10:51,560
about my experience when it comes to prayer and knowing

2283
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:52,720
versus believing.

2284
02:10:54,119 --> 02:10:56,880
Speaker 4: What you got to understand, though, Masra, you got to

2285
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:01,680
understand something. We we tried putting this to the test.

2286
02:11:02,199 --> 02:11:06,079
We did this of several ways. One is I brought

2287
02:11:06,159 --> 02:11:08,840
up my story about the Hindu monk. The second was

2288
02:11:09,359 --> 02:11:13,119
Thinker's rotator cuff. The third was Saint Jude's Hospital, praying

2289
02:11:13,159 --> 02:11:15,720
for the kids of Saint Juws Hospital. I mean, every

2290
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:21,520
single way we brought up to help you verify this

2291
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:25,560
for us, it got stonewall. They got stifled. Okay, there

2292
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:29,239
was either an excuse. There was either an accusation of

2293
02:11:29,399 --> 02:11:33,039
calling this a circus. There was some reason that this

2294
02:11:33,199 --> 02:11:36,560
can't happen. And that's why. And I concur with Thinker

2295
02:11:37,159 --> 02:11:40,640
that I don't that you don't believe that this is true.

2296
02:11:41,279 --> 02:11:45,119
You don't believe that you can pray to heal somebody.

2297
02:11:45,279 --> 02:11:48,520
You don't really believe this, because if you did, and

2298
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:50,840
this has nothing to do with your knowledge about God.

2299
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,640
This is this is the belief that you can pray

2300
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:56,720
and heal somebody. That's what more this has more become about,

2301
02:11:57,439 --> 02:12:01,960
because if you did, then this would be no problem

2302
02:12:02,039 --> 02:12:04,560
for you. And this is the thing that Thinker and

2303
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:07,920
I run into all the time with believers with well, okay,

2304
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:09,920
with people who think God is real.

2305
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:12,319
Speaker 3: They we run into this all the time.

2306
02:12:12,479 --> 02:12:17,920
Speaker 4: A moment we ask for fine, the moment we ask

2307
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:22,920
for receipts like this, we get excuses. We the moment

2308
02:12:23,039 --> 02:12:27,159
we do every time, Thinker, it's every time, right right,

2309
02:12:27,279 --> 02:12:31,479
every time nobody is coming up saying, Okay, you know

2310
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:34,119
what I got you. I'm gonna take your challenge. I'll

2311
02:12:34,119 --> 02:12:37,600
see you in a week. And what you're gonna see, Thinker,

2312
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:40,039
or what you're gonna see, trust is you're gonna see

2313
02:12:40,039 --> 02:12:42,640
a big old news report about every person to say

2314
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:45,560
Jew's Hospital and my town getting healed, and they're gonna

2315
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:47,760
have to shut down that hospital because I'm gonna go

2316
02:12:47,880 --> 02:12:50,479
there and I'm gonna pray for everybody, and they're all

2317
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:53,760
gonna get healed. I'll show you that doesn't happen. Never

2318
02:12:54,119 --> 02:12:55,039
happens never.

2319
02:12:56,039 --> 02:12:58,119
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. You say you talk

2320
02:12:58,199 --> 02:13:02,000
to your atheist and agnostic friends a lot about your spirituality.

2321
02:13:02,399 --> 02:13:05,479
What what questions do your atheist friends ask you when

2322
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:08,439
you share these experiences with them? What evidence do they

2323
02:13:08,520 --> 02:13:09,079
typically ask?

2324
02:13:09,079 --> 02:13:12,239
Speaker 5: At most of the time they don't even ask questions.

2325
02:13:12,319 --> 02:13:13,439
They just respect it.

2326
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:18,880
Speaker 1: They just respected And I'm not there to hold on,

2327
02:13:20,039 --> 02:13:21,239
hold on, hold on, hold on.

2328
02:13:22,199 --> 02:13:22,399
Speaker 2: Wait.

2329
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:26,119
Speaker 1: You're saying that you you tell them that you have

2330
02:13:26,359 --> 02:13:29,960
the ability to heal, and they just be like, Oh,

2331
02:13:30,039 --> 02:13:31,199
that's true, that's real.

2332
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,920
Speaker 2: I believe it an atheists, ma'am.

2333
02:13:36,119 --> 02:13:37,840
Speaker 1: So I just want to make sure I understand what

2334
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:41,800
you're saying. Okay, So when you when you share this,

2335
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:45,760
when you share these types of experience with your atheist friend,

2336
02:13:46,479 --> 02:13:48,119
do they ask you questions?

2337
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:49,159
Speaker 2: Is my question?

2338
02:13:52,359 --> 02:13:55,439
Speaker 5: Most of the time, they don't. They just they just

2339
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:58,359
respect it. And let me be clear again, I am

2340
02:13:58,439 --> 02:14:01,119
not the person who steals is the father?

2341
02:14:01,399 --> 02:14:02,079
Speaker 2: Okay, all right?

2342
02:14:02,119 --> 02:14:05,119
Speaker 1: Whatever what do you mean by they respected? What do

2343
02:14:05,159 --> 02:14:06,079
you mean they respected?

2344
02:14:08,119 --> 02:14:12,000
Speaker 5: I respect them as atheists, they respect me. That's not

2345
02:14:12,119 --> 02:14:12,840
what I'm asking.

2346
02:14:13,279 --> 02:14:14,079
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm asking.

2347
02:14:14,239 --> 02:14:18,920
Speaker 1: When you share, when you share these types of experiences

2348
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:25,079
with your atheist friend, do they do they ask clarifying questions?

2349
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,199
Speaker 5: Do they ask clarifying questions.

2350
02:14:32,039 --> 02:14:33,479
Speaker 1: About the experience that you share?

2351
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:40,720
Speaker 5: All they well, some that I talked to, thinking it's

2352
02:14:40,840 --> 02:14:44,920
kind of interesting that people heal after I after I

2353
02:14:45,159 --> 02:14:45,880
pray for them.

2354
02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:48,840
Speaker 1: But clarifying questions do they ask?

2355
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:54,560
Speaker 5: They don't even ask any clarifying questions because the results

2356
02:14:54,720 --> 02:14:57,680
are the results. I don't person, I.

2357
02:14:57,680 --> 02:15:00,680
Speaker 4: Don't believe the word you're saying either that or they're

2358
02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:03,279
just being a point, like they just don't like, Oh,

2359
02:15:03,399 --> 02:15:05,479
that's cool, that's cool.

2360
02:15:06,159 --> 02:15:09,199
Speaker 5: So are you? Are you saying you by asking me

2361
02:15:09,319 --> 02:15:09,920
those questions?

2362
02:15:13,640 --> 02:15:19,159
Speaker 1: No, Like, they probably know that, they probably don't want

2363
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:22,800
to go into it with you. But if they're your friends,

2364
02:15:23,319 --> 02:15:26,399
if they're But the reason why I'm asking this is

2365
02:15:26,439 --> 02:15:29,399
because if they are your friends, then they should be

2366
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:32,359
able to, right, they should be able to talk about

2367
02:15:32,399 --> 02:15:39,319
these things with you. And if they, hey, if they're

2368
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:43,079
not able to talk about them with you, Right, it's

2369
02:15:43,239 --> 02:15:46,039
it's nine times out of ten because you do this

2370
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,680
and they want to avoid it, or you're not talking

2371
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:54,439
to atheists because if you come to a atheist a

2372
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:58,880
supernatural claim, that atheist is going.

2373
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:00,159
Speaker 2: That atheists skeptic.

2374
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:06,159
Speaker 1: They're they're going to ask you logical questions, they're gonna.

2375
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:07,159
Speaker 2: Poke colds in the claim.

2376
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:11,800
Speaker 1: And you're telling me that your atheist friends respect it

2377
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:14,279
and actually believe it, respect it.

2378
02:16:15,600 --> 02:16:17,920
Speaker 5: I didn't they believe it. I believe it.

2379
02:16:18,359 --> 02:16:20,359
Speaker 2: I ask you, what do you mean by respect it?

2380
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,840
Speaker 1: You said, they'd be like, oh, because the evidence.

2381
02:16:23,439 --> 02:16:28,439
Speaker 5: Is there, that's what you said, right, I said, based

2382
02:16:28,479 --> 02:16:31,840
on the evidence of the results, of my prayer. They

2383
02:16:32,079 --> 02:16:32,959
just respect it.

2384
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:36,120
Speaker 1: You are saying that they believe it because they see

2385
02:16:36,159 --> 02:16:39,280
the evidence, Like, please stop playing with us and thinking that.

2386
02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:46,159
Speaker 5: No, I don't I'm not saying that. Well, all I'm

2387
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:49,360
saying is they really don't even question it. They just

2388
02:16:49,520 --> 02:16:54,760
respect it. You're looking into you know, Okay, the dialogue

2389
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:57,760
with them all right, and like and like and like

2390
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:01,200
the brother said, maybe they just don't want to challenge me.

2391
02:17:01,399 --> 02:17:04,639
I don't know, but I'm only they told me about

2392
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:08,079
their experience going from being a Christian to an atheist,

2393
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:12,879
and I just tell them about my experience being a

2394
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:16,040
person who has strong beliefs and strong faith and spiritual

2395
02:17:16,079 --> 02:17:19,719
experiences and it's it's more than just healing. There are

2396
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:25,920
other spiritual experiences that I've had other than prayer, and

2397
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:29,239
they just they just respected. They don't like you. You

2398
02:17:29,319 --> 02:17:33,239
don't get into it there, deply sure, So what I'm.

2399
02:17:33,319 --> 02:17:33,920
Speaker 2: What I'm hearing.

2400
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:38,280
Speaker 1: What I'm hearing, Okay, what I'm hearing is you can

2401
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:43,200
talk all about your spirituality and your experiences and in

2402
02:17:43,319 --> 02:17:46,559
your knowing with your atheist friends, but they don't talk

2403
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:48,799
to you about their lack of belief.

2404
02:17:49,319 --> 02:17:56,680
Speaker 2: They can't talk to you about a friend. Stop.

2405
02:17:57,959 --> 02:18:02,000
Speaker 1: What I'm hearing, okay, is that you can talk to

2406
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:09,680
your atheist friends about your spirituality, your knowing, your prayer

2407
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:14,360
results and they respect it, right, But they cannot talk

2408
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:18,920
to you about their skepticism. They cannot ask you clarifying

2409
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:21,520
questions the way that we are. They cannot say, well

2410
02:18:21,559 --> 02:18:23,280
that logically doesn't make sense to me.

2411
02:18:23,600 --> 02:18:24,879
Speaker 2: Can you show me evidence?

2412
02:18:25,239 --> 02:18:28,840
Speaker 1: Because with me asking you what questions do they ask?

2413
02:18:29,719 --> 02:18:33,479
That conversation isn't happening. So it sounds like it's a

2414
02:18:33,719 --> 02:18:37,639
very one sighted relationship that you have with your friends

2415
02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:42,399
when it comes to this specific topic. And quite frankly,

2416
02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:47,879
I'm not surprised, okay, And it may be true.

2417
02:18:47,719 --> 02:18:51,000
Speaker 5: What you're saying, but don't I don't. We don't bash,

2418
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:54,200
we don't. There's no arguments and things about, you know,

2419
02:18:54,399 --> 02:18:57,799
what they believe in and that I believe. We don't

2420
02:18:57,920 --> 02:18:58,360
get into.

2421
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,440
Speaker 4: None of us bashed back to me.

2422
02:19:02,520 --> 02:19:04,840
Speaker 5: Here. I did not say that, sir. I'm saying with

2423
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:07,479
the with the colleagues and people that I know who

2424
02:19:07,479 --> 02:19:11,040
are atheists, we don't. We don't have like you know,

2425
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:13,600
going back and forth and things like that. I respect

2426
02:19:13,879 --> 02:19:14,239
with them.

2427
02:19:14,360 --> 02:19:16,559
Speaker 4: With them, we're pushing them back. That's what we're gonna do.

2428
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:19,959
That's what we do. We push and we question, We

2429
02:19:20,159 --> 02:19:23,239
asked clarifying questions, and that's good.

2430
02:19:23,399 --> 02:19:27,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. I'm skeptical.

2431
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical because, like you're you're tell we're asking you how,

2432
02:19:33,479 --> 02:19:37,559
like what how did the conversation go with your atheist

2433
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:42,600
friend about your prayer claim? And the only thing we're

2434
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:46,680
hearing is your prayer claim. There was no conversation with

2435
02:19:46,879 --> 02:19:49,879
you with your atheist friend because they they can't say

2436
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:52,600
to you, I don't believe that ship.

2437
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:55,719
Speaker 2: They can't say that to you, or they have not

2438
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:56,440
said that to you.

2439
02:19:59,719 --> 02:20:00,520
Speaker 5: Yes they have.

2440
02:20:01,319 --> 02:20:03,399
Speaker 1: Well, I asked you that. Now you want to change

2441
02:20:03,559 --> 02:20:06,280
pay Do you want to change your answer?

2442
02:20:06,799 --> 02:20:07,719
Speaker 2: You want to change answer?

2443
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:10,799
Speaker 5: Now I changed my answer. I'm not changing my answer.

2444
02:20:10,879 --> 02:20:13,479
What I'm saying is we don't. We really don't. Even

2445
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:16,159
most of the time when I've said this, when I've

2446
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:20,319
had conversations years ago, they don't even you know, get

2447
02:20:20,360 --> 02:20:22,159
into because some of them don't even want to get

2448
02:20:22,159 --> 02:20:26,000
into talking about Christianity or religion. And I understand that.

2449
02:20:27,440 --> 02:20:30,239
I understand that. So most of the time we don't

2450
02:20:30,280 --> 02:20:32,239
even talk about it. There's other things to talk about

2451
02:20:32,319 --> 02:20:35,760
than that. I'm just talking. I just called in good

2452
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:40,000
faith to talk about my spiritual experiences with the Father

2453
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:44,920
and because of Him through me in prayer. Because faith

2454
02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:50,079
in prayer, I've seen people. I've seen people healed me

2455
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:52,520
not even be in a hospital. They could be at home,

2456
02:20:53,159 --> 02:20:57,520
sick with whomever, with whatever. I'm just saying it. I'm

2457
02:20:57,639 --> 02:21:01,559
just calling you all about my spiritual experience. And I

2458
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:04,840
know that you I know that it's hard to believe

2459
02:21:04,959 --> 02:21:08,559
that because it is difficult to believe about spiritual experiences

2460
02:21:08,600 --> 02:21:11,559
because they're invincible and it takes s faith.

2461
02:21:12,399 --> 02:21:16,280
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we asked you for evidence of why

2462
02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:19,280
it's true. I mean we spent this whole call asking

2463
02:21:19,319 --> 02:21:22,079
you for evidence. I mean at many points of the

2464
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:26,440
of the call, of the conversation, and we we haven't

2465
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:30,440
gotten anything out of you mean evidence just it sounds

2466
02:21:30,479 --> 02:21:35,159
like a lot of trust me brovidence, sir, if you

2467
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:36,520
ask me for evidence.

2468
02:21:36,639 --> 02:21:40,000
Speaker 5: The evidence is the people were healed. That's it.

2469
02:21:40,680 --> 02:21:43,360
Speaker 4: The ones who had heart surgery and you prayed for

2470
02:21:43,479 --> 02:21:45,360
them to have healing.

2471
02:21:45,159 --> 02:21:47,639
Speaker 5: After the heart car that is it could be.

2472
02:21:48,239 --> 02:21:50,319
Speaker 3: I mean, they can host surgery.

2473
02:21:51,079 --> 02:21:55,799
Speaker 5: Car accident, they can be right, Yeah, post.

2474
02:21:55,639 --> 02:21:59,280
Speaker 4: Surgery prayer, which we showed you was ninety eight percent

2475
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:03,360
effective for those in heart surgery. Now we can go

2476
02:22:03,440 --> 02:22:04,840
down the line for the other ones. I don't think

2477
02:22:04,840 --> 02:22:08,799
that's gonna matter. But like I said, you're praying for

2478
02:22:08,879 --> 02:22:10,879
the bus to Yeah, but I don't need faith for

2479
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:13,079
the bus to come. That's why. That's why it's easy

2480
02:22:13,159 --> 02:22:15,879
for you say you know, you just know that they're

2481
02:22:15,879 --> 02:22:19,040
gonna heal. But it sounds like you know about that,

2482
02:22:19,360 --> 02:22:21,120
not not that God is real.

2483
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:27,840
Speaker 5: I can't get up in front of a board and

2484
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:30,360
explain to people with faith is that's something that they

2485
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:35,959
have to experience what faith is, which means to believe

2486
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:37,360
in the impossible.

2487
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:42,319
Speaker 4: Okay, but we I just I just explained to you

2488
02:22:42,520 --> 02:22:48,680
that healing from surgery is extremely possible, like extremely possible,

2489
02:22:48,799 --> 02:22:52,639
like ninety eight percent possible healing from heart surgery. So,

2490
02:22:52,879 --> 02:22:55,399
like I said, you're praying for you're praying for something

2491
02:22:55,479 --> 02:22:56,920
that is extremely possible.

2492
02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:03,159
Speaker 5: Okay, But heart surgeries are most heart surgeries successful.

2493
02:23:04,440 --> 02:23:10,440
Speaker 3: Well you didn't say that, you said healing from the surgery, Okay.

2494
02:23:10,239 --> 02:23:14,920
Speaker 5: But I allo said I also prayed for a successful surgery, Okay.

2495
02:23:14,799 --> 02:23:20,559
Speaker 3: Anccessful surgery. Yeah, right, they're they're they're very very effective.

2496
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:25,879
Speaker 5: Yes, Okay, I didn't. I don't know the percentages of

2497
02:23:25,959 --> 02:23:29,760
Haart surgeries that aren't successful, or any kind of surgery.

2498
02:23:30,639 --> 02:23:33,079
Speaker 4: Okay, But but I think it kind of goes back

2499
02:23:33,079 --> 02:23:36,840
to what thinker was asking, why not just pray for

2500
02:23:36,959 --> 02:23:39,840
them to heal without the surgery?

2501
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:48,680
Speaker 5: Well, initially, sometimes when people go in, like let's say

2502
02:23:48,760 --> 02:23:53,840
someone needed an emergency epithect epthected me right, and I

2503
02:23:53,959 --> 02:23:56,959
know it's the one who had that, so immediately they

2504
02:23:57,079 --> 02:24:00,399
had to have surgery, I prayed at the surgery can

2505
02:24:00,479 --> 02:24:01,440
be successful.

2506
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:05,159
Speaker 1: Why don't you understand the question is being asked?

2507
02:24:06,520 --> 02:24:08,280
Speaker 5: What's the question? I thought? I'm going to say you

2508
02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:08,760
the question.

2509
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:09,600
Speaker 3: I want to take the wheel.

2510
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:11,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna look up a number of people

2511
02:24:11,719 --> 02:24:13,399
who heal from appendectamies.

2512
02:24:13,440 --> 02:24:14,399
Speaker 3: Go ahead, think or take the bok.

2513
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm one.

2514
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:17,520
Speaker 5: What Like.

2515
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:23,799
Speaker 1: The question that is being asked is why don't you

2516
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:28,120
pray for them to be healed without needing the surgery?

2517
02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:29,079
Speaker 5: Like?

2518
02:24:29,319 --> 02:24:36,159
Speaker 1: Is your God capable of healing without medical intervention?

2519
02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:40,559
Speaker 5: Someone needs?

2520
02:24:41,719 --> 02:24:43,680
Speaker 4: If a colleague of mine you.

2521
02:24:44,959 --> 02:24:54,079
Speaker 1: Directly directly, is your father capable of healing without medical intervention.

2522
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:54,680
Speaker 2: If you ask him to.

2523
02:24:57,319 --> 02:25:00,120
Speaker 5: I'm sure if I asked, yes, And.

2524
02:25:00,159 --> 02:25:04,760
Speaker 1: So you've never asked, You've never you've never asked him

2525
02:25:04,879 --> 02:25:08,680
to heal someone with a heart problem without Like if

2526
02:25:08,760 --> 02:25:14,200
somebody doctor says, hey, you need a heart transplant, are

2527
02:25:14,239 --> 02:25:19,319
you able to ask your God, your father to heal

2528
02:25:19,440 --> 02:25:21,600
that heart without needing a heart.

2529
02:25:21,479 --> 02:25:24,159
Speaker 2: Transplant and he do it?

2530
02:25:25,639 --> 02:25:28,319
Speaker 5: No, I don't. I don't know anyone who needed a

2531
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:32,840
heart transplant. Well, all I'm saying is if some if

2532
02:25:32,879 --> 02:25:35,920
a colleague of mine goes to the hospital and has

2533
02:25:36,040 --> 02:25:39,799
surgery and I don't even find out until after the surgery,

2534
02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:45,920
I just pray that they are healed. Oh my god,

2535
02:25:46,719 --> 02:25:49,559
I'm about after the surgery that they heal.

2536
02:25:49,799 --> 02:25:53,280
Speaker 1: Well, if you found out after the surgery that they

2537
02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:56,040
have surgery, and then you prayed for their after they

2538
02:25:56,120 --> 02:25:56,680
had surgery.

2539
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:02,639
Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh and by the way, if I don't know,

2540
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:05,760
I said, if I don't know that they already went

2541
02:26:05,799 --> 02:26:08,639
in and had surgery, Okay, If I don't know that,

2542
02:26:08,799 --> 02:26:10,719
I pray for that, all right.

2543
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:11,520
Speaker 1: Just to let you know.

2544
02:26:11,639 --> 02:26:14,600
Speaker 4: The success rate for an apendectomy is ninety five percent

2545
02:26:14,680 --> 02:26:20,280
or higher, so less than five people do not heal

2546
02:26:20,280 --> 02:26:23,520
from appendectomy. Okay, so again you're praying for I prayer

2547
02:26:23,559 --> 02:26:25,280
for the bus to come on time. That's all you're

2548
02:26:25,319 --> 02:26:28,079
praying for, brother, Okay, Okay.

2549
02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:30,719
Speaker 5: But the point is, I believe in the power of prayer.

2550
02:26:31,440 --> 02:26:33,639
I believe in the power prayer, and I believe through

2551
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:37,239
prayer that people can be healed. And so if I

2552
02:26:37,360 --> 02:26:40,360
know that someone is having any kind of surgery, I

2553
02:26:40,520 --> 02:26:44,559
pray that they have a successful surgery and then that

2554
02:26:44,719 --> 02:26:46,680
the healing part will be expedited.

2555
02:26:47,079 --> 02:26:48,079
Speaker 4: That's all I pray for.

2556
02:26:48,520 --> 02:26:52,200
Speaker 5: That's it. It's out of my power once I pray,

2557
02:26:53,440 --> 02:26:56,920
because I know, I know, I know that it's one

2558
02:26:57,000 --> 02:26:58,920
that take play. So how do we know?

2559
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,600
Speaker 3: How we know it's God that's doing this and not

2560
02:27:03,079 --> 02:27:05,040
the skill of the surgeon that's doing I.

2561
02:27:05,440 --> 02:27:08,239
Speaker 5: Know, I okay, how you know?

2562
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:10,040
Speaker 3: How do we know?

2563
02:27:10,319 --> 02:27:13,120
Speaker 5: How? How do I know? Again? How do you cannot

2564
02:27:13,159 --> 02:27:18,360
explain You cannot explain faith in spiritual life with people?

2565
02:27:18,479 --> 02:27:19,079
You just okay?

2566
02:27:19,799 --> 02:27:21,639
Speaker 1: What would what evidence would do?

2567
02:27:23,559 --> 02:27:26,280
Speaker 4: All right? What evidence would you need to falsify this

2568
02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:29,520
to tell you that it's actually not God doing this

2569
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:31,319
but it is still surgeon.

2570
02:27:32,280 --> 02:27:36,239
Speaker 5: For me, well, it's the skill, But I pray for

2571
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:39,959
even the most skilled surgeon, I still pray that the

2572
02:27:40,159 --> 02:27:42,239
operation because the surgery is example.

2573
02:27:42,840 --> 02:27:45,920
Speaker 4: Right, So if you tell me what evidence would would

2574
02:27:45,959 --> 02:27:49,120
tell would convince you, tell us what evidence would convince

2575
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:51,559
you that it's not God and it's the surgeon.

2576
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:58,600
Speaker 5: Well, sir, I know that with even even a skilled surgery,

2577
02:27:58,760 --> 02:28:00,600
I still would pray for that person.

2578
02:28:00,719 --> 02:28:02,959
Speaker 4: Okay, that's not my question. Let me let me ask

2579
02:28:03,040 --> 02:28:06,719
again what evidence hold on? What evidence would convince you

2580
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:10,920
that it is not God but it's the surgeon.

2581
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:15,920
Speaker 5: There is no evidence as far as I'm concerned.

2582
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:18,239
Speaker 1: There is no evidence as far as you're concerned. Okay,

2583
02:28:18,399 --> 02:28:19,600
So we were.

2584
02:28:19,360 --> 02:28:21,520
Speaker 4: Working with as an unfa we're working with is an

2585
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:25,520
unfalsifiable claim. That's what we're working with. And that's the problem. Okay,

2586
02:28:25,520 --> 02:28:28,319
if we can't want but but well it is that

2587
02:28:28,520 --> 02:28:30,639
that's what it is. Because you said there's nothing that

2588
02:28:30,719 --> 02:28:33,680
you can convince you. Right, you did say there was

2589
02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:36,879
nothing that can convince you that it is it's it's

2590
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:40,440
not God, but it's the surgeon. And so if that's

2591
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:43,959
the case, then this is an unfalsifiable claim that you're making.

2592
02:28:44,719 --> 02:28:47,200
Speaker 3: It's not based. There is no evidence here. We're not

2593
02:28:47,319 --> 02:28:49,040
seeing any evidence, and.

2594
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:52,680
Speaker 5: That's part all I know is the most skilled surgeony,

2595
02:28:52,760 --> 02:28:56,600
I'm still going to pray that that surgery that's going

2596
02:28:56,680 --> 02:28:59,399
to this for a colleague or friend of mine, I'm

2597
02:28:59,440 --> 02:29:01,840
going to pray that that surgery is successful. I'm still

2598
02:29:01,920 --> 02:29:05,799
going to pray for that successful surgery and that that

2599
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:06,799
person heals me.

2600
02:29:07,879 --> 02:29:09,879
Speaker 1: We're not we're not asking to stop doing that.

2601
02:29:11,840 --> 02:29:14,000
Speaker 5: I know you're not. I'm telling you. I'm telling you

2602
02:29:14,120 --> 02:29:16,879
this one I'm going to do because there's always complications

2603
02:29:16,959 --> 02:29:19,399
after surgery. You know that that.

2604
02:29:19,799 --> 02:29:23,000
Speaker 1: Has your father ever not done something you asked for?

2605
02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:30,520
Speaker 5: There?

2606
02:29:30,959 --> 02:29:34,040
Speaker 1: Has he ever done something? Has he ever said no?

2607
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:35,920
Has he ever liked well not responded?

2608
02:29:36,520 --> 02:29:40,760
Speaker 5: Most of the things I pray for, they come to pass,

2609
02:29:41,319 --> 02:29:46,559
like what from the past, Like what like the best

2610
02:29:46,959 --> 02:29:49,040
the best one I gave you is the one that

2611
02:29:49,120 --> 02:29:49,600
I've given.

2612
02:29:49,719 --> 02:29:50,040
Speaker 4: That's it.

2613
02:29:50,520 --> 02:29:52,879
Speaker 1: No, no, no, So the only thing you can ask

2614
02:29:52,959 --> 02:29:56,079
him for is healing somebody out the surgery. That's like

2615
02:29:56,559 --> 02:29:57,159
how old are you?

2616
02:29:57,319 --> 02:29:59,600
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not going to talk about I'm not going

2617
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:01,399
to talk about the other things.

2618
02:30:02,559 --> 02:30:04,360
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't ask you to talk about, like

2619
02:30:04,639 --> 02:30:06,239
what what other type of things?

2620
02:30:06,440 --> 02:30:09,440
Speaker 5: Just another example and I'm telling you, I'm not going

2621
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:10,920
to talk about other things.

2622
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:11,760
Speaker 4: Other things like do you.

2623
02:30:11,879 --> 02:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Pray and ask for a car? Do you pray and

2624
02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:16,559
ask for food every day? Do you pray and ask

2625
02:30:17,000 --> 02:30:17,399
so what?

2626
02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:17,719
Speaker 5: What?

2627
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:21,479
Speaker 1: Other type of things outside of the outside of healing,

2628
02:30:22,239 --> 02:30:23,280
outside of healing?

2629
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:26,879
Speaker 5: What? And I'm telling you, I'm not going to get

2630
02:30:26,920 --> 02:30:28,479
into all of that because it's personal.

2631
02:30:29,319 --> 02:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to go into experience. I'm saying,

2632
02:30:33,399 --> 02:30:37,440
you pray for healing, you pray for what else? Just Jenner,

2633
02:30:38,239 --> 02:30:38,920
I'm telling.

2634
02:30:42,079 --> 02:30:44,159
Speaker 5: Okay, And I'm telling you I'm not going to get

2635
02:30:44,200 --> 02:30:46,600
into all of those other things because it's personal.

2636
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:49,719
Speaker 1: It's personal to pray for breath, to pray for life,

2637
02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:50,840
that's personal.

2638
02:30:52,319 --> 02:30:55,360
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I'm not talking about anything else other than.

2639
02:30:55,280 --> 02:30:59,040
Speaker 1: What I'm talking It's more personal than somebody else's healthcare.

2640
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:04,799
What's more personal? Then you get it on a show

2641
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:09,040
with over five hundred people that you don't know and

2642
02:31:09,479 --> 02:31:14,399
telling people that you prayed for your God to heal

2643
02:31:14,520 --> 02:31:17,559
somebody else nobody else's health.

2644
02:31:17,719 --> 02:31:21,120
Speaker 5: Well, I told you that. I've talked to other people

2645
02:31:21,159 --> 02:31:23,200
about other people's sols, But I'm not going to get

2646
02:31:23,239 --> 02:31:24,520
into anything other than that.

2647
02:31:25,440 --> 02:31:28,879
Speaker 1: I think you are a very selfish person. I think

2648
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:32,840
you're a very selfish person. Yeah, because you're talking about

2649
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:36,479
you're talking about your friend's health care, right like, you're

2650
02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:39,239
talking about your friend's health care on a show with

2651
02:31:39,360 --> 02:31:42,719
over five hundred people watching. But then when I ask

2652
02:31:43,079 --> 02:31:45,840
what things do you ask your father for and whether

2653
02:31:45,959 --> 02:31:48,200
or not your your father answered all your prayers, you

2654
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:49,360
won't do it because it's personal.

2655
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:51,120
Speaker 2: I think you're very selfish.

2656
02:31:52,680 --> 02:31:54,360
Speaker 4: Entitled to that. With all due.

2657
02:31:54,239 --> 02:31:58,600
Speaker 5: Respect, I know I am. That's why I said it, Okay,

2658
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:01,600
And that's okay. I know who I am, and I

2659
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:06,319
know the truth about myself. Hmm. Sure. And this is

2660
02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:09,559
just one moment in time that I'm on this show

2661
02:32:09,879 --> 02:32:13,600
talking to you all in a really respectful way. I

2662
02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:14,520
do respect.

2663
02:32:14,920 --> 02:32:19,280
Speaker 2: You're not respectful, okay, Yeah, you're.

2664
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:23,680
Speaker 5: Okay, Fine, that's fine. You're a title to that. These

2665
02:32:23,719 --> 02:32:26,440
people that I know, I respect them, well, you.

2666
02:32:26,479 --> 02:32:29,000
Speaker 2: Didn't respectpect them us. You did not respect us.

2667
02:32:29,079 --> 02:32:34,360
Speaker 5: You talked over us. You know, I don't.

2668
02:32:35,440 --> 02:32:36,680
Speaker 4: I don't have anything to.

2669
02:32:36,760 --> 02:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Do with the people that you know. How you have

2670
02:32:39,440 --> 02:32:41,000
behaved on this call.

2671
02:32:41,440 --> 02:32:41,959
Speaker 6: How you have.

2672
02:32:42,120 --> 02:32:44,639
Speaker 1: Behaved on this call is why you got traded. The

2673
02:32:44,680 --> 02:32:47,879
way you got treated by me, Yes, like those of

2674
02:32:49,319 --> 02:32:52,799
those of them that have this belief in or knowing

2675
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:56,120
and a god. Like I said, it's very egotistical, very

2676
02:32:56,360 --> 02:33:03,319
narcissistic behavior. And you claim this relationship with this supernatural

2677
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:07,399
deity that's supposed to make you. I don't know the

2678
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,959
better of society, but behavior seems to be the last

2679
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:13,920
thing on you, on your list. It seems to be

2680
02:33:13,959 --> 02:33:16,600
the last thing on your list. You want you You

2681
02:33:16,680 --> 02:33:22,040
think that you are special, so special to this creator

2682
02:33:22,639 --> 02:33:26,159
thing that you think you know that it listens when

2683
02:33:26,239 --> 02:33:30,000
you when you cry and when you moan and grown

2684
02:33:30,079 --> 02:33:33,440
or whatever the hell it is. That's what You're very

2685
02:33:34,319 --> 02:33:35,399
narcissistic and.

2686
02:33:35,479 --> 02:33:40,719
Speaker 11: Egotistical and you're entitled to that. And I'm sorry that

2687
02:33:40,799 --> 02:33:45,600
you feel that, And that's okay. But most people who

2688
02:33:45,719 --> 02:33:46,040
know me.

2689
02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:50,840
Speaker 1: They like me, I say.

2690
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:55,040
Speaker 5: And the thing is, with all three respect, ma'am, this

2691
02:33:55,239 --> 02:33:58,000
is just a this is a phone call on a

2692
02:33:58,159 --> 02:33:58,840
TV show.

2693
02:33:59,239 --> 02:34:03,079
Speaker 3: I don't know you, you don't know me, okay, So

2694
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:03,760
I mean we're.

2695
02:34:05,159 --> 02:34:05,799
Speaker 5: What you came in.

2696
02:34:06,159 --> 02:34:06,399
Speaker 4: Okay.

2697
02:34:07,360 --> 02:34:11,719
Speaker 5: That. But when you're projected mencist, when you're projected coming

2698
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:15,879
a narcissists and all of that, that's that's your perspective

2699
02:34:16,280 --> 02:34:18,520
and that's okay. You're really good.

2700
02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I mean, and I still I still

2701
02:34:22,600 --> 02:34:23,120
respect you.

2702
02:34:23,639 --> 02:34:24,799
Speaker 5: I still respect you.

2703
02:34:24,959 --> 02:34:27,559
Speaker 1: Didn't respect you haven't respected me since you came on

2704
02:34:27,639 --> 02:34:28,719
this on this phone call.

2705
02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:33,440
Speaker 5: Move to strike that I moved the strike. All I

2706
02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:36,680
know is that was that was my intention to call.

2707
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:41,159
Speaker 4: Is just the share over rule spirit, I mean overrulled

2708
02:34:41,239 --> 02:34:43,120
because I had to. I had to. I had to

2709
02:34:43,159 --> 02:34:45,479
step in to say something. That's how bad it got.

2710
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:46,079
Speaker 5: Hey.

2711
02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:48,719
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I've known thank your for a while

2712
02:34:48,879 --> 02:34:51,760
and I know that she can handle more than handle herself.

2713
02:34:52,040 --> 02:34:54,200
But it got to it got so offensive that I

2714
02:34:54,399 --> 02:34:57,239
had to say something. That's the point we're trying to

2715
02:34:57,319 --> 02:34:58,319
make me.

2716
02:34:58,440 --> 02:35:01,680
Speaker 5: That was my intention when I call, Never my intention

2717
02:35:01,840 --> 02:35:07,040
in calling, and I apologize for that. No, No, I

2718
02:35:07,360 --> 02:35:10,040
surely apologize because all I wanted to do was just

2719
02:35:10,159 --> 02:35:13,639
share my experience. I would not call to say I'm

2720
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:16,479
going to get into it with her, I'm gonna argue

2721
02:35:16,520 --> 02:35:18,840
with her. No, that was not my intention at all.

2722
02:35:21,239 --> 02:35:23,120
It would never be my intention. I'm not the kind

2723
02:35:23,159 --> 02:35:27,680
of person. I just wanted to share my spiritual life

2724
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:32,159
and my faith in my experiences. Being someone who knows

2725
02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:34,440
the father. I believe we heard that.

2726
02:35:34,639 --> 02:35:40,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, and again we asked for since here, that's

2727
02:35:40,639 --> 02:35:42,799
what we do here, because you said you've watched us

2728
02:35:42,840 --> 02:35:45,799
for a while, so you know what happens here, and

2729
02:35:46,719 --> 02:35:49,360
and it just seems like that was all lost on you, right.

2730
02:35:49,719 --> 02:35:52,120
It just seemed like what you expected was us to

2731
02:35:52,319 --> 02:35:55,680
react the same way that your atheist friends react. That

2732
02:35:55,799 --> 02:35:57,920
we would just say, okay, well I don't believe that,

2733
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:00,520
but I respect it, have a good name. No, that's

2734
02:36:00,559 --> 02:36:03,559
not what we're here to do. We are here to okay, okay,

2735
02:36:04,079 --> 02:36:05,959
to ask I know you're there.

2736
02:36:06,719 --> 02:36:10,319
Speaker 5: That was not I didn't have any expectations before I call.

2737
02:36:10,879 --> 02:36:13,639
It's just for you all to listen to what I

2738
02:36:13,799 --> 02:36:14,399
had to say.

2739
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:16,760
Speaker 1: We didn't, and we've been listening.

2740
02:36:17,000 --> 02:36:19,479
Speaker 5: What do you want? Would have questions? Okay, And of

2741
02:36:19,559 --> 02:36:22,559
course you would have questions. That's fine. It doesn't mean

2742
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:24,680
I'm going to have that. I'm going to answer your questions.

2743
02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:27,319
Speaker 4: No, no, no, we didn't say that. What we're saying

2744
02:36:27,440 --> 02:36:30,639
is we have questions. And where it seemed to kind

2745
02:36:30,680 --> 02:36:33,760
of go off the rails was when you couldn't provide

2746
02:36:33,799 --> 02:36:37,719
answers to our questions. Right, you you characterize these as

2747
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:40,399
like you know, he on the rotator cuff was characterized

2748
02:36:40,440 --> 02:36:43,399
as a circus. We're not. It's not a circus. That's

2749
02:36:43,440 --> 02:36:47,079
how we ask for evidence, that's how we can verify time.

2750
02:36:47,239 --> 02:36:51,120
Speaker 5: But that's what we do that. You minimize it, You

2751
02:36:51,239 --> 02:36:54,719
minimize that everything that I said. But that's okay, I know.

2752
02:36:55,000 --> 02:36:56,920
Speaker 4: No, No, we're putt I'm putting it. We're putting it

2753
02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:59,799
exactly where it needs to be. We're putting it exactly

2754
02:36:59,799 --> 02:37:02,719
where it needs to be a claim. And so you're

2755
02:37:02,879 --> 02:37:06,040
you're calling this evidence. We call this a claim. And

2756
02:37:06,200 --> 02:37:10,079
the way we can graduate that claim to evidence the

2757
02:37:10,159 --> 02:37:15,000
same level that you have is with verification, a way

2758
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:18,280
to verify what you were saying is true. And so

2759
02:37:19,079 --> 02:37:21,639
I think that's where the confusion is. You're you're telling

2760
02:37:21,719 --> 02:37:24,879
this this as if it is evidence. But see, we're

2761
02:37:24,920 --> 02:37:26,600
not in your head. We don't know you, right, We're

2762
02:37:26,639 --> 02:37:28,479
not in your head. We don't see what you say,

2763
02:37:28,520 --> 02:37:30,079
we don't think what you think, we don't feel what

2764
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:33,319
you feel. So that's why we have to go through

2765
02:37:33,399 --> 02:37:37,079
this exercise of with you, of saying, okay, well, how

2766
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:39,479
do you know this is true? You understand? Okay, you

2767
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:42,479
get it all right, and so that's all that. That's

2768
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:45,559
all that this was and and see, and what I'm

2769
02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:47,239
trying to say to you is how none of that

2770
02:37:47,360 --> 02:37:48,239
has been provided.

2771
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:52,159
Speaker 5: Okay, and that's fine. But when you say, how do

2772
02:37:52,280 --> 02:37:54,559
I know that it's true? Is based on the results,

2773
02:37:55,399 --> 02:37:55,920
it's all.

2774
02:37:56,200 --> 02:37:59,120
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we heard that, heard that, heard that many

2775
02:37:59,159 --> 02:37:59,959
many many times.

2776
02:38:00,079 --> 02:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Results that we can see.

2777
02:38:02,360 --> 02:38:04,520
Speaker 3: The results that very you.

2778
02:38:05,440 --> 02:38:07,799
Speaker 5: If that doesn't satisfy you, it's okay.

2779
02:38:08,520 --> 02:38:10,440
Speaker 2: You not provided results.

2780
02:38:12,200 --> 02:38:12,840
Speaker 9: You have not.

2781
02:38:16,159 --> 02:38:19,559
Speaker 1: You've not provided any results for us to see. You

2782
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:24,040
called in to share an experience with us. When we said,

2783
02:38:24,159 --> 02:38:27,639
oh okay, pretty cool, can we see the evidence of

2784
02:38:27,719 --> 02:38:30,920
that you started having a TI potential? You did not

2785
02:38:31,559 --> 02:38:33,399
show any evidence.

2786
02:38:37,360 --> 02:38:40,520
Speaker 5: That's when things all I can do, all I can do,

2787
02:38:40,639 --> 02:38:41,719
with all respect.

2788
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:46,639
Speaker 4: Respect, I don't think I think. I think there is

2789
02:38:46,760 --> 02:38:50,280
more that anybody with this type of claim that you

2790
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:52,920
have can do. Uh, there's more that you can do.

2791
02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:56,280
And and you got to understand from our perspective, this

2792
02:38:56,479 --> 02:38:58,559
is such a low bar that we that we have

2793
02:38:58,680 --> 02:39:02,040
for you, such a lot o bar. All we're asking

2794
02:39:02,079 --> 02:39:06,079
you to do is because like just take another event,

2795
02:39:06,360 --> 02:39:10,000
right if you had another event saying you got in

2796
02:39:10,040 --> 02:39:13,399
a car, accident, right, And we said to you, we

2797
02:39:13,479 --> 02:39:16,440
don't believe you. Can you demonstrate for us that this

2798
02:39:16,639 --> 02:39:20,879
is true? And if you actually had a car accident, Amaja,

2799
02:39:21,079 --> 02:39:23,600
you could be able to demonstrate that for us. Right,

2800
02:39:24,559 --> 02:39:27,399
those are the type of receipts that we're asking for.

2801
02:39:28,559 --> 02:39:29,559
Speaker 3: Is that kind of stuff?

2802
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:34,920
Speaker 4: Not simply saying not simply saying because I got because

2803
02:39:34,959 --> 02:39:38,479
the results speak for themselves. No, you know, show us

2804
02:39:38,520 --> 02:39:41,520
pictures of your car, show us an accident report, but

2805
02:39:41,719 --> 02:39:44,920
show us a police report, show us you know, so

2806
02:39:45,079 --> 02:39:48,600
many things, things from a body shop at least.

2807
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:53,239
Speaker 1: One piece, and then pull his hand back and be

2808
02:39:53,319 --> 02:39:56,079
able to like knock the shit out of somebody out

2809
02:39:56,079 --> 02:39:57,120
to eating the devil fruit.

2810
02:39:57,200 --> 02:39:57,239
Speaker 5: Like.

2811
02:39:57,319 --> 02:40:02,840
Speaker 1: At least they can show their superpower right in the

2812
02:40:03,159 --> 02:40:07,600
in a super in a U a superhero show like

2813
02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:11,399
the Marvel Shows, the Nimes or whatever. If they have

2814
02:40:11,559 --> 02:40:16,399
a superpower, right, they can demonstrate that right then and there.

2815
02:40:17,399 --> 02:40:20,399
You all are claiming to have access to the supernatural

2816
02:40:20,600 --> 02:40:22,159
entity that is invisible.

2817
02:40:22,239 --> 02:40:24,920
Speaker 2: As you say, when you came on, it's invisible.

2818
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:29,959
Speaker 1: Right. You are claiming that there is some mechanism that

2819
02:40:30,079 --> 02:40:34,639
allows you to engage for the the immaterial to engage

2820
02:40:34,680 --> 02:40:38,040
with the material on a daily basis. And all we're

2821
02:40:38,120 --> 02:40:42,920
saying is show us what that mechanism is. Prove it, Like,

2822
02:40:43,079 --> 02:40:46,239
how are you doing that? That's all we're saying.

2823
02:40:46,959 --> 02:40:48,239
Speaker 3: Here's here's another way to look.

2824
02:40:48,079 --> 02:40:54,440
Speaker 5: At hold on with all the respect, with all the

2825
02:40:54,520 --> 02:40:59,879
respect the because I don't satisfy those receipts. It does

2826
02:41:00,079 --> 02:41:01,799
in the gate what I've experienced.

2827
02:41:03,719 --> 02:41:05,079
Speaker 2: Why do you why do you call it?

2828
02:41:05,399 --> 02:41:08,879
Speaker 1: And why do you call in and share stuff like

2829
02:41:08,959 --> 02:41:11,239
that with people who you know are going to ask

2830
02:41:11,360 --> 02:41:17,559
you for evidence? People who are logically minded, people who

2831
02:41:17,559 --> 02:41:18,399
are skeptical.

2832
02:41:20,399 --> 02:41:26,639
Speaker 5: Right, I'm pretty logical too. It's difficult. It's difficult to

2833
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:30,360
explain faith. The only example I can give you is

2834
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:31,079
what I've given you.

2835
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:36,159
Speaker 1: You aren't explaining faith. You're saying you know, you're not

2836
02:41:36,280 --> 02:41:39,040
explaining faith. Faith, this evidence of what you faith. This

2837
02:41:39,319 --> 02:41:41,479
is things that you hope for. You are saying that

2838
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:44,959
you know you're not explaining faith. And and so what

2839
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:49,639
what I'm asking is why do you call in uh

2840
02:41:49,799 --> 02:41:52,200
to speak to people who you know are going to

2841
02:41:52,319 --> 02:41:53,360
ask you for evidence?

2842
02:41:54,479 --> 02:41:54,600
Speaker 6: Right?

2843
02:41:54,680 --> 02:41:56,760
Speaker 1: And then say well, I just can't like, I can't

2844
02:41:56,799 --> 02:41:58,799
help that. You just want to accept what I say

2845
02:41:58,840 --> 02:41:59,680
we've got evidence.

2846
02:42:00,079 --> 02:42:00,799
Speaker 2: Why do you do that?

2847
02:42:01,159 --> 02:42:05,559
Speaker 5: But the well, ma'am, the evidence is the people were healed.

2848
02:42:06,440 --> 02:42:09,200
That's the evidence. That's the only evidence I have.

2849
02:42:09,479 --> 02:42:13,239
Speaker 4: And we can't but we already said that, we already

2850
02:42:13,239 --> 02:42:19,280
been over this. We distinguish that from the people. But see,

2851
02:42:19,319 --> 02:42:21,600
here's the thing we can't. You can't distinguish it from

2852
02:42:22,239 --> 02:42:23,639
the skill of the surgeons.

2853
02:42:23,879 --> 02:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Right.

2854
02:42:24,200 --> 02:42:26,280
Speaker 4: This is this is kind of what where we're at now.

2855
02:42:26,879 --> 02:42:29,680
If I told you that this morning I levitated and

2856
02:42:29,799 --> 02:42:31,440
spit fire, would you believe me?

2857
02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:39,959
Speaker 5: If you believe it? It doesn't if you I asked you, okay,

2858
02:42:40,040 --> 02:42:45,639
if it actually happened, it doesn't not.

2859
02:42:46,159 --> 02:42:47,719
Speaker 4: That's not what I asked you. I didn't ask if

2860
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:49,559
it if it matters if you believe it. I asked you.

2861
02:42:49,920 --> 02:42:50,959
Speaker 3: Would you believe it?

2862
02:42:51,559 --> 02:42:54,799
Speaker 4: If I told you that I levitated and spit fire

2863
02:42:54,879 --> 02:42:56,399
this morning, would you believe it?

2864
02:42:56,639 --> 02:42:57,360
Speaker 3: It's a yes or no.

2865
02:42:58,719 --> 02:43:02,239
Speaker 5: I really know, I don't know. I don't know if

2866
02:43:02,239 --> 02:43:02,559
I will be.

2867
02:43:02,719 --> 02:43:03,639
Speaker 4: You don't know whether or not you.

2868
02:43:05,639 --> 02:43:10,440
Speaker 5: I I would if that happened to you. It doesn't

2869
02:43:10,520 --> 02:43:11,440
matter what I'm believe in.

2870
02:43:11,479 --> 02:43:13,399
Speaker 1: It is okay, But you're still not answering my question.

2871
02:43:13,600 --> 02:43:14,239
So I'm gonna ask you.

2872
02:43:14,840 --> 02:43:16,440
Speaker 5: I'm answering all right.

2873
02:43:17,360 --> 02:43:17,920
Speaker 6: No, No, you're not.

2874
02:43:18,159 --> 02:43:18,399
Speaker 5: You're not.

2875
02:43:18,600 --> 02:43:21,120
Speaker 4: You're you're answer. You're just saying stuff, But you're not answering,

2876
02:43:21,239 --> 02:43:22,520
actually answering the question.

2877
02:43:22,719 --> 02:43:25,159
Speaker 5: I'm answering your question. I am question it.

2878
02:43:25,440 --> 02:43:27,760
Speaker 4: Okay, So your your answer is you don't know whether

2879
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:31,680
or not you would believe I answer is levitated and.

2880
02:43:32,159 --> 02:43:35,159
Speaker 5: It happened to you. If it happened to you, it

2881
02:43:35,239 --> 02:43:36,840
doesn't answer my question.

2882
02:43:37,360 --> 02:43:39,360
Speaker 4: That's not an answer to how I'm answering it.

2883
02:43:39,840 --> 02:43:40,840
Speaker 5: That's how I'm answering it.

2884
02:43:41,239 --> 02:43:42,000
Speaker 3: That's how your answer.

2885
02:43:42,040 --> 02:43:42,319
Speaker 5: All right.

2886
02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:44,920
Speaker 4: So so you're you're not going to answer my question.

2887
02:43:46,399 --> 02:43:47,799
Speaker 5: I am answering it.

2888
02:43:48,479 --> 02:43:51,120
Speaker 1: Let want to spit fire this morning, not the way.

2889
02:43:51,719 --> 02:43:54,280
Speaker 5: You want, you want the way you want me to

2890
02:43:54,360 --> 02:43:55,600
answer the way you want.

2891
02:43:55,840 --> 02:43:58,079
Speaker 4: Well, I think you're dodging the question because I know this.

2892
02:43:58,280 --> 02:44:01,239
I know you know this go somewhere you don't want

2893
02:44:01,280 --> 02:44:06,239
it to go. But see, this is the thing. This

2894
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:08,200
is the problem with this, This is the problem with this.

2895
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:11,319
This is intellectually dishonest. And that's and this and that's

2896
02:44:11,319 --> 02:44:14,120
actually very disrespectful because you said that you came up

2897
02:44:14,159 --> 02:44:17,360
here in good faith. This is not good faith. I

2898
02:44:17,440 --> 02:44:19,079
don't think you know what the word what the term

2899
02:44:19,159 --> 02:44:22,120
good faith means. So like, if somebody answers asks you

2900
02:44:22,239 --> 02:44:25,760
a question in good faith, you answer the question honestly.

2901
02:44:26,440 --> 02:44:29,719
And I don't think that you would say to somebody

2902
02:44:30,120 --> 02:44:32,239
something of that effect if they.

2903
02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:33,440
Speaker 1: Ask you, do you believe me?

2904
02:44:33,879 --> 02:44:36,399
Speaker 4: You wouldn't say, oh, it doesn't matter what I believe, No,

2905
02:44:36,639 --> 02:44:38,959
if you if that somebody, So you're telling me one

2906
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:42,319
of your friends came up to you and just said, hey, Amaja,

2907
02:44:42,680 --> 02:44:44,399
I levitated a spit fire this morning.

2908
02:44:45,000 --> 02:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Do you believe me?

2909
02:44:46,559 --> 02:44:48,559
Speaker 4: You you're honestly going to sit there and say.

2910
02:44:48,479 --> 02:44:52,120
Speaker 5: Well, I would say, I would say that's.

2911
02:44:52,079 --> 02:44:58,159
Speaker 4: Ridiculous, that's ridiculous. So you don't believe it? Okay, there

2912
02:44:58,280 --> 02:45:00,319
we go. Now we got to finally and honestly answer.

2913
02:45:00,440 --> 02:45:04,959
All right, So now what would it take to convince.

2914
02:45:04,600 --> 02:45:08,639
Speaker 5: You non sense? Because I really wouldn't even care.

2915
02:45:09,319 --> 02:45:13,840
Speaker 4: Nothing. It wouldn't take anything that you wouldn't care nothing.

2916
02:45:14,920 --> 02:45:15,840
I would not even care.

2917
02:45:16,719 --> 02:45:21,360
Speaker 3: Okay, So what you're saying is you you don't care

2918
02:45:21,559 --> 02:45:23,399
enough to be convinced.

2919
02:45:26,520 --> 02:45:28,000
Speaker 5: It depends on what it is.

2920
02:45:29,360 --> 02:45:30,760
Speaker 4: It depends on what is something.

2921
02:45:31,879 --> 02:45:34,360
Speaker 5: It depends on the person and what we're talking about

2922
02:45:34,399 --> 02:45:34,959
and what it is.

2923
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:38,799
Speaker 3: I don't know you, sir, You don't know me, of

2924
02:45:38,879 --> 02:45:39,239
course not.

2925
02:45:39,479 --> 02:45:42,520
Speaker 4: I'm asking if one of your friends, somebody you care about,

2926
02:45:42,680 --> 02:45:45,399
came up to you and said that you're saying you

2927
02:45:45,479 --> 02:45:49,760
don't care about that friend to want to know what

2928
02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:50,239
they're saying.

2929
02:45:50,280 --> 02:45:53,280
Speaker 5: Is if a friend of mine said that, I know

2930
02:45:53,399 --> 02:45:54,959
that he's it's ridiculous.

2931
02:45:55,520 --> 02:45:57,559
Speaker 2: Okay, that might be why his atheism.

2932
02:45:59,319 --> 02:46:02,520
Speaker 1: It could be it could be that your atheist friends

2933
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:05,959
are taking the same approach to that you would take

2934
02:46:06,159 --> 02:46:10,159
to a friend saying to you that they spent fire

2935
02:46:10,920 --> 02:46:15,719
like that's ridiculous, and you would not question that because

2936
02:46:15,879 --> 02:46:22,479
it is so far out of the grounds of logic

2937
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:25,440
for you. That that is probably why your atheist friends

2938
02:46:25,479 --> 02:46:29,440
don't question you about your claims that your prayer has

2939
02:46:29,559 --> 02:46:31,760
healed your friends in the hospital.

2940
02:46:33,079 --> 02:46:35,920
Speaker 5: Okay, So can we wrapped this up because I gotta go.

2941
02:46:36,040 --> 02:46:40,920
I appreciate the time. I appreciate the time, and I

2942
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:44,600
and the things that were said. If I was out

2943
02:46:44,639 --> 02:46:48,959
of line, I apologize, it's not my attention and be

2944
02:46:49,239 --> 02:46:51,479
I think we just hit an impass and it's not

2945
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:55,799
going to go anywhere. So I respect I think that.

2946
02:46:55,920 --> 02:46:59,959
Speaker 2: Last line was just really really logical in full serch.

2947
02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:03,840
Speaker 4: What's that we hit an impasse?

2948
02:47:05,959 --> 02:47:09,399
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, that's okay too, but with all, with

2949
02:47:09,479 --> 02:47:13,319
all due respect, continued success. I'm not here to change

2950
02:47:13,360 --> 02:47:15,440
your religion. I have Muslims.

2951
02:47:15,520 --> 02:47:17,159
Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much.

2952
02:47:17,479 --> 02:47:18,479
Speaker 5: We appreciate you.

2953
02:47:19,239 --> 02:47:19,840
Speaker 2: Have a good one.

2954
02:47:19,879 --> 02:47:26,520
Speaker 1: Okay, good one, Amasa, thank you for calling inness gracious.

2955
02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:28,200
Speaker 4: It was wild.

2956
02:47:28,319 --> 02:47:30,799
Speaker 3: That was a wild ride, thinker wild ride.

2957
02:47:32,399 --> 02:47:33,520
Speaker 1: Oh man.

2958
02:47:34,040 --> 02:47:36,879
Speaker 4: You know, I got to say, the toughest ones that

2959
02:47:37,000 --> 02:47:40,239
I have are the ones that are I just believe.

2960
02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:43,040
I have a spiritual experience I have, I believe in

2961
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:45,159
the creator, the you know, like they don't want to

2962
02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:48,399
claim a religion. They those are the toughest ones, and

2963
02:47:48,559 --> 02:47:52,879
they seem to always always crash out at some point,

2964
02:47:53,319 --> 02:47:56,319
like it's just you don't believe them. They just get mad,

2965
02:47:56,399 --> 02:47:58,280
they get upset, they get disrespectful.

2966
02:47:59,319 --> 02:48:05,719
Speaker 2: So for some yeah, he the the I know, oh,

2967
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:06,280
I knew it was.

2968
02:48:06,280 --> 02:48:06,799
Speaker 3: Gonna go south.

2969
02:48:06,840 --> 02:48:08,360
Speaker 4: As soon as I heard that, I'm like, oh ship,

2970
02:48:09,559 --> 02:48:11,520
but yeah, I just had to say something. After like

2971
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:15,520
the fourth time he cut cut you off, I was like,

2972
02:48:15,760 --> 02:48:19,159
I can't, I cannot not say something. I mean I

2973
02:48:19,319 --> 02:48:20,120
have to say something.

2974
02:48:20,200 --> 02:48:22,520
Speaker 3: It's just it's just bugging me too much.

2975
02:48:23,000 --> 02:48:24,920
Speaker 4: So this is way too disrespectful.

2976
02:48:25,000 --> 02:48:31,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. So I see a lot of friendlies

2977
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:34,280
in the guests requests on TikTok. I think they might

2978
02:48:34,360 --> 02:48:38,120
be in their own accident. I'm not sure if you

2979
02:48:38,319 --> 02:48:41,159
are in the request on TikTok, I think we may

2980
02:48:42,879 --> 02:48:45,719
have one person in there that's not on the in

2981
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:49,799
there on accident. If not, then we'll wrap up and

2982
02:48:49,879 --> 02:48:51,840
read some super chats and then we'll be all better.

2983
02:48:52,719 --> 02:48:53,079
Speaker 4: All right.

2984
02:48:54,799 --> 02:48:58,319
Speaker 1: So, if you are in the guests request on TikTok, uh,

2985
02:48:58,479 --> 02:49:01,399
I know the phone lines are close down, but I

2986
02:49:01,440 --> 02:49:03,280
did want to make sure that we did not forget

2987
02:49:03,319 --> 02:49:05,479
our TikTok Q. If you're in their own purpose, can

2988
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:09,000
you please comment? TikTok sometimes throws people in the guests requests.

2989
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:13,639
I k you forgetting to look at the camera accident.

2990
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:16,360
Anybody in their own purpose?

2991
02:49:19,719 --> 02:49:20,079
Speaker 5: All right?

2992
02:49:20,920 --> 02:49:23,719
Speaker 1: So trust we are going to read some super tests.

2993
02:49:23,719 --> 02:49:24,920
Do you have access to the supertest?

2994
02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:26,159
Speaker 5: I do not.

2995
02:49:26,799 --> 02:49:29,399
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so I was gonna okay, so I'm gonna

2996
02:49:29,440 --> 02:49:32,680
read the super chats really quickly. I want to say

2997
02:49:32,719 --> 02:49:35,120
thank you to everybody who did watch the try stream

2998
02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:40,280
over on YouTube mobile on the YouTube Athe's Experienced channel

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02:49:40,319 --> 02:49:43,959
as well as TikTok. Thank y'all so much, and we

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have AG three three seven with a nine dollars nine

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Thank you tmf J. What's up up with the five

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dollars super chat? Thank your You're so exciting to watch

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us much love, Thank you so much. Ya appreciate you.

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Another five dollars super chat from TMFJ. Supersticker of a

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oh of a pair character holding his billy laughing out loud.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Chip pay a four dollars ninety nine cent super chat call.

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It desperately needs to read some books on basic probability theory.

3011
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Coincidences happened all the time, every day all over the world,

3012
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:36,680
like for real, for real, And then the last one,

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Trey du started to who's been a member for one year?

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Speaker 2: With the five dollars super chat.

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Speaker 1: I understand the believer's point of view, but I still

3016
02:50:45,239 --> 02:50:48,440
wish each believer could at least think as critically of

3017
02:50:48,559 --> 02:50:54,600
their point of view as they do other religions. Interesting Okay,

3018
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:59,760
I don't know which believer you were talking about, maybe

3019
02:50:59,799 --> 02:51:03,120
the the younger person, because I do understand their their

3020
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:06,799
point of view. You get it is scary questioning your

3021
02:51:07,159 --> 02:51:12,000
your beliefs, especially scared to blasting the Holy Spirit. And

3022
02:51:12,159 --> 02:51:17,600
I do hope that that fear is you know, he's

3023
02:51:17,680 --> 02:51:19,959
able to get a hold of that fear and anxiety

3024
02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:22,079
one day.

3025
02:51:23,319 --> 02:51:24,479
Speaker 2: Uh so what are your thoughts?

3026
02:51:24,879 --> 02:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Uh?

3027
02:51:26,280 --> 02:51:28,479
Speaker 3: Trust, Oh, I totally agree.

3028
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:31,000
Speaker 4: And I like we were saying, like we were talking

3029
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:33,520
about earlier, I definitely understand having that fear.

3030
02:51:34,079 --> 02:51:38,120
Speaker 3: I definitely understand like just wondering what if I'm wrong?

3031
02:51:38,600 --> 02:51:42,600
Speaker 4: And I got to say that at the end of

3032
02:51:42,639 --> 02:51:45,879
the day, if you're really wanting And that's why I

3033
02:51:45,959 --> 02:51:47,959
asked him the questions I was asking about, you know,

3034
02:51:48,799 --> 02:51:51,959
is it the is it the wanting? Is it the

3035
02:51:52,079 --> 02:51:55,639
fear of knowing the truth the uncomfortable truth? Or you know,

3036
02:51:56,159 --> 02:52:00,319
what's the cost here? And and I think if we,

3037
02:52:01,159 --> 02:52:03,799
you know, people can really honestly look at that and

3038
02:52:04,559 --> 02:52:06,840
and say, yeah, you know, what if what if this

3039
02:52:07,079 --> 02:52:09,280
is wrong? You know, what if I'm believing in something

3040
02:52:09,360 --> 02:52:13,040
that's not true? You know, I think that that's what

3041
02:52:13,559 --> 02:52:18,559
leads to like inroads to like you know, uh, actualizations

3042
02:52:18,600 --> 02:52:20,280
and realization. At least it's different for me. I don't

3043
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:22,840
know you know how how it worked for you, but

3044
02:52:23,000 --> 02:52:25,360
that's what it did for me. You know, it's just

3045
02:52:25,399 --> 02:52:26,840
getting over just getting past.

3046
02:52:26,719 --> 02:52:27,079
Speaker 5: That, you know.

3047
02:52:28,000 --> 02:52:28,239
Speaker 2: I don't.

3048
02:52:28,280 --> 02:52:32,479
Speaker 1: I don't think that I Mine was like the second

3049
02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:38,399
cause fallacy. I didn't necessarily have the fear of questions

3050
02:52:38,399 --> 02:52:40,840
because I did it in secret. I didn't tell any anybody.

3051
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:42,719
And then when my mom and then found out I was,

3052
02:52:43,440 --> 02:52:45,280
I told her she was. I was like, y'all not

3053
02:52:45,440 --> 02:52:50,479
invited into this part of my life and who I am.

3054
02:52:50,639 --> 02:52:53,239
This is personal for me and this has nothing to

3055
02:52:53,360 --> 02:52:56,920
do with you being my mom and you be and

3056
02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:00,200
my brother, like, this is me and if you having

3057
02:53:00,360 --> 02:53:03,559
a problem with that, that's something you're going to have

3058
02:53:03,639 --> 02:53:06,639
to work out. And so I did have anxiety of

3059
02:53:06,959 --> 02:53:10,440
like the what if I'm wrong? But I let knowledge

3060
02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:13,479
and facts and logic.

3061
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:15,799
Speaker 2: Fixed that for me.

3062
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:21,319
Speaker 1: But I didn't necessarily have the uh that whole uh

3063
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:24,920
indoctrination of like the the tradition of oh you're gonna

3064
02:53:24,920 --> 02:53:27,079
blast me against the hold ghost of fear and and

3065
02:53:28,239 --> 02:53:34,959
all that. I didn't have the sucking cost fallacy. Yeah,

3066
02:53:35,799 --> 02:53:36,159
I don't know.

3067
02:53:36,520 --> 02:53:38,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know one thing that did help

3068
02:53:38,200 --> 02:53:41,879
me get over that fear is just thinking, like just

3069
02:53:42,079 --> 02:53:44,280
like thinking like I'm in the shower right now, and

3070
02:53:44,319 --> 02:53:46,360
that means God's watching me, and that just that just

3071
02:53:46,440 --> 02:53:52,159
made me feel so weird, you know, like those private

3072
02:53:52,239 --> 02:53:54,680
moments I'm in the bathroom, God's watching right now, God's

3073
02:53:54,840 --> 02:53:57,399
Oh man, that's weird. That's so weird.

3074
02:53:57,639 --> 02:54:00,719
Speaker 1: No, I don't just don't, right.

3075
02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hilarious.

3076
02:54:02,399 --> 02:54:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought about that, all right, Trust, how

3077
02:54:07,879 --> 02:54:11,719
can people find out more about you? And if you

3078
02:54:11,799 --> 02:54:13,680
can share your contact information?

3079
02:54:13,799 --> 02:54:14,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

3080
02:54:14,440 --> 02:54:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah?

3081
02:54:14,760 --> 02:54:17,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on you know, every day Monday through Friday.

3082
02:54:18,200 --> 02:54:21,559
Speaker 4: I'm streaming live usually around four pm Eastern time, and

3083
02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:25,079
so on TikTok and all the social media channels. You

3084
02:54:25,239 --> 02:54:27,879
just type in trust but verify twenty twenty four and

3085
02:54:27,959 --> 02:54:30,120
there you'll find me really awesome.

3086
02:54:30,920 --> 02:54:33,879
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for being you were a

3087
02:54:33,959 --> 02:54:37,079
wonderful co host. Again, thank you. I also appreciate you

3088
02:54:37,280 --> 02:54:43,680
for speaking up and stopping misogyny write in his tracks. Yeah,

3089
02:54:44,479 --> 02:54:49,159
I always appreciate that. But I will always make sure

3090
02:54:49,239 --> 02:54:53,200
that any misogynistic man knows that I will not bow

3091
02:54:53,280 --> 02:54:55,879
down to an indist respect.

3092
02:54:56,000 --> 02:54:56,600
Speaker 2: But thank you.

3093
02:54:56,840 --> 02:54:57,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

3094
02:54:58,079 --> 02:54:58,319
Speaker 4: Thank you.

3095
02:54:58,520 --> 02:54:59,600
Speaker 3: This was such an honor.

3096
02:54:59,680 --> 02:55:02,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean yeah, I mean I was I've

3097
02:55:02,479 --> 02:55:04,479
been so excited for this, So this is such an

3098
02:55:04,520 --> 02:55:06,680
honor and this lived up to all the hype. It

3099
02:55:06,840 --> 02:55:10,280
it exceeded all the expectations. So thank you so much.

3100
02:55:10,559 --> 02:55:12,200
I really hope I get to do this again with

3101
02:55:12,280 --> 02:55:15,040
you soon because this was so fun. This was so fun.

3102
02:55:15,159 --> 02:55:15,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3103
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:17,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait till the next.

3104
02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:21,959
Speaker 1: Time most definitely. Oh, you'll also be hosting what Truth Wanted?

3105
02:55:22,399 --> 02:55:26,000
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'll be hosting Truth Wanted May sixth.

3106
02:55:26,360 --> 02:55:28,920
Is it fifteenth or sixteenth something like? That's a Friday, Yeah,

3107
02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:31,799
it's at Friday and May. Yeah, So just so you'll

3108
02:55:31,799 --> 02:55:32,840
see me again pretty soon.

3109
02:55:32,920 --> 02:55:33,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3110
02:55:33,319 --> 02:55:35,319
Speaker 1: And monkey Boy, Yeah, I can't wait for that. That's

3111
02:55:35,360 --> 02:55:38,559
gonna be dope. Make sure you'all tuned in to that.

3112
02:55:39,079 --> 02:55:42,120
Thank y'all so much for being here today. Everyone, Like

3113
02:55:42,200 --> 02:55:45,760
I said, to the YouTube fam, to the TikTok stream,

3114
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:48,959
until next week, we are here Sundays at four thirty

3115
02:55:49,000 --> 02:55:51,000
pm Central. Thank y'all so much for tuning in.

3116
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:54,760
Speaker 2: Bye see ya, awad.

3117
02:55:58,440 --> 02:56:06,680
Speaker 1: Alday stop Qustday ship Emry around you buy.

3118
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:11,600
Speaker 6: Y'all welcome.

3119
02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:17,200
Speaker 5: Ellen there.

3120
02:56:38,280 --> 02:56:41,239
Speaker 4: Watch talk Ee Than live Sundays at one pm Central.

3121
02:56:41,360 --> 02:56:44,319
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3122
02:56:44,479 --> 02:56:46,799
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02:56:46,920 --> 02:56:49,399
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