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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news

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<v Speaker 1>radio home.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much to call as we start a

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<v Speaker 2>very cold Tuesday night. I hope none of you are

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<v Speaker 2>out sitting on the beach tonight listening on your ten

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<v Speaker 2>transistor radio. No, no, no, no, no, stay inside. It's

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<v Speaker 2>chilly out there, that's for sure. If you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be outside, hopefully you're all buttoned up. My name's Dan Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>as the goal indicated, the host of Nightside. We are

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<v Speaker 2>in our eighteenth year here on Nightside on WBZ, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've got another great show for you tonight. Before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to our guests in this first hour, let me

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<v Speaker 2>just mention a couple of things, little bookkeeping. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>always want to thank Rob Brooks, who's back in the

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<v Speaker 2>control room and Broadcast Central. Wanted to mention there's a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of programs upcoming. Every program on Nightside is great.

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<v Speaker 2>But on Monday night we will do our eighteenth annual

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<v Speaker 2>college admissions panel with the Deans of Admission from Harvard

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<v Speaker 2>and Boston College, Bill Fitzsimmons from Harvard and Grant Gostlin

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<v Speaker 2>from Boston College. So, if you have a child, a grandchild,

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<v Speaker 2>someone in high school, eighth grade, ninth grade, tenth grade,

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh grade. They're just getting into this college application business

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<v Speaker 2>that you want them to listen and you may want

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to on Monday night beginning at eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>with Bill Fitzsimmons and grand Gostlin. They will take phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>answer questions and we will try to bring everyone up

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<v Speaker 2>to date, particularly people who are going through the college

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<v Speaker 2>application process for the first time. Busy time of year

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<v Speaker 2>for any admissions director, and both Bill Fitzsimmons and Grant

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<v Speaker 2>Gostlin are very generous in their time. I will also

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that we are trying to pull together the

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<v Speaker 2>twelfth annual Night Side Charity Combine. We do that my

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of hours of the broadcast year, which this

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<v Speaker 2>year will be on Friday December twenty twenty, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a Friday of twenty twenty four. We do it all remotely,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have some in your circle of friends

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<v Speaker 2>or some group that you're aware of and they would

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<v Speaker 2>like us to highlight them on the Night Side Charity Combine,

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<v Speaker 2>all you have to do is send me an email

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<v Speaker 2>at Dan Ray at iHeartMedia dot com Danray or at

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<v Speaker 2>iHeartMedia dot com or the alternative. You can call our

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<v Speaker 2>producer Lady Lightning Maria Marita, and her number is. I

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<v Speaker 2>will have that for you in the ten o'clock hour,

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't have it in front of me now

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<v Speaker 2>as I should have it in front of me, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay. I will have it in the ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>hour and you can call Marita and you can say

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<v Speaker 2>we'd like to have a representative on. We will highlight

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<v Speaker 2>your group, your organization for well three four or so minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>give you a chance to tell us what you do,

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<v Speaker 2>what help you might need. Maybe you need more volunteers,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you need some a bit of a cash infusion.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what we can do and try to help

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<v Speaker 2>you out. We have a lot of listeners who want

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<v Speaker 2>to be generous at this time of year. Now, we

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of listeners who are waiting for our

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<v Speaker 2>night side news update, and we're going to start off

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<v Speaker 2>with a very familiar face here, a nice and familiar voice,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, Paula Fleming, who's the chief marketing and

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<v Speaker 2>sales officer for the Better Business Bureau Boston division, with

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<v Speaker 2>some tips for successfully donating on Giving Tuesday and for

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<v Speaker 2>that matter throughout this holiday season. Welcome back, Paula. Nice

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<v Speaker 2>to know we'll be hearing your voice here in just

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. So how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Just great? So look, today is Giving Tuesday and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of our listeners, I'm sure, have decided that they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to contribute to a charity or to some organization

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<v Speaker 2>that they feel a kindred spirit with. What do people

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<v Speaker 2>have to worry about? Because there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>out there who are running scams as we understay what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are, unfortunately, and Giving Tuesday is a great opportunity,

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<v Speaker 3>as you mentioned, to support causes that you care about.

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<v Speaker 4>But we're here to.

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<v Speaker 3>Encourage donors to give wisely and we want them to

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<v Speaker 3>avoid questionable appeal. So watch out number one for name similarities.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I mean by that is many charities have

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<v Speaker 3>similar names. Double check the exact name to ensure you're

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<v Speaker 3>giving to the right organization. So they may actually just

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<v Speaker 3>flip a word and that can trick you into thinking

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<v Speaker 3>you're giving to the organization you did last year, which

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<v Speaker 3>was reliable. So take the time, do your research before donating,

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<v Speaker 3>verify the charities legitimacy and impact, and you can do

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<v Speaker 3>so by visiting for free give dot org to access

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<v Speaker 3>reports on thousands of charities.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do they get your name? In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>is this just that they're sending blind emails or their

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<v Speaker 2>auto dialing phone numbers and somehow, some way they know

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<v Speaker 2>that you, at some point in the past were charitable.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the way it works or is it more sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a number of ways in which they can see.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, many of us share sometimes overshare on social media,

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<v Speaker 3>and they can use that as an avenue to gather

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<v Speaker 3>your information. You know, many people are giving during this

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<v Speaker 3>time of year and it's fabulous of their time or

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<v Speaker 3>if they have the funds to do so. But these

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<v Speaker 3>scare artists are aware that it's that time and they

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<v Speaker 3>target via social media platforms, text messaging, emails, and phone calls.

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<v Speaker 3>We're hearing of people actually being shamed into not giving

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<v Speaker 3>via the phone, and those are scammers. Because a legitimate

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<v Speaker 3>charity will take your money now today or they will

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<v Speaker 3>take it in a month. They are not going to

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<v Speaker 3>get angry and they are not going to swear and

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<v Speaker 3>curse at you that you're not providing funds. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what we've unfortunately heard over the years that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone's calling up supposedly you on the phone and they're

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<v Speaker 2>representing a charity whatever they come up with, and you

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<v Speaker 2>hesitate or you say, well, Jake, could you send me

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<v Speaker 2>some materials in the mail, which is a very reasonable

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<v Speaker 2>request or whatever, very and then no, no, no, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to give today because it's giving to exactly, we're

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<v Speaker 2>tripling the match. And then they'll get to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where they'll be trying to swear at you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a break.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems that it's totally irrational, but it is unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 3>It is unfortunate, but it does happen. So we want

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<v Speaker 3>people to take their time to make informed decisions and

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<v Speaker 3>resist the pressure to give on the spot. And this

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<v Speaker 3>again can be from someone on the phone or even

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<v Speaker 3>a knock on the door. Still people are still doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you're seeing very you know, aesthetically pleasing advertisements

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<v Speaker 3>asking for funds to be donated, just don't fall for

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<v Speaker 3>that again. Take it off the social media platform and

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<v Speaker 3>do a little bit of research. Also, focus on impact.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't be swayed solely by emotional appeals, ask specific questions

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<v Speaker 3>about how the charity is using the donations to achieve

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<v Speaker 3>its mission, and look at the charity's website. So look

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<v Speaker 3>at the mission, the program's financial information, and again give

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<v Speaker 3>dot org is a great resource free for your listeners

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<v Speaker 3>to utilize.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a great resource I think called Charity Navigator,

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<v Speaker 2>which absolutely a rundown. But more importantly, if they are

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I don't know, let's say that they're Let's

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<v Speaker 2>everybody think of a charity that they that everyone knows of.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to mention it, but if they could

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<v Speaker 2>just put the word the in front of it. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's say that there's a lot of charities that are

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<v Speaker 2>known simply by their proper name, and someone could call

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<v Speaker 2>them say, well, I represent the filling the proper name. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that should be a tip off maybe that that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the right right group. One of the questions I always

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<v Speaker 2>ask people who I get blind calls from charities and

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<v Speaker 2>you get a lot of this from the local You're

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<v Speaker 2>like you to support your local police department, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say wow, yeah, And so my question is, can you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me what are the administrative costs of your charity?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you ask that question. That is a magical

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<v Speaker 2>question because they'll say, well, we we all really don't

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<v Speaker 2>keep those figures, or they'll say, well, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>look them up. Because a legitimate charity, a legitimate charity,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's a big charity or a small charity, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have administrative costs that go over eight or ten percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a healthy In other words, for every dollar that

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, because would you agree.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would concur it's definitely a red flag of

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<v Speaker 3>a charity can't or won't answer questions about their administrative costs.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, I think transparency. Legitimate charities are transparent about

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<v Speaker 3>how they use their donations. And as you mentioned, administrative costs,

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<v Speaker 3>which includes salaries, expenses, fundraising, are necessary part of running

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<v Speaker 3>a charity, So donors do deserve to know what percentage

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of times exactly we're calling from the National

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<v Speaker 2>Police Federation and I'll say, well, let me ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about I want to send you one hundred dollars. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. But why shouldn't I just bring it down

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<v Speaker 2>to my local police department and give them the check

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<v Speaker 2>for one hundred dollars. Well, exactly with the National Federation,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll give you some you know, just be swat. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Be swat and you won't get scammed. It's as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as that. Through and there are a lot of great

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<v Speaker 2>charities out there to support. Don't hesitate.

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<v Speaker 3>There are, yeah, and if you cannot financially support they,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, oftentimes, if you want to make a difference

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<v Speaker 3>during the holiday season, if you just call a local

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<v Speaker 3>charity ask what they need. Sometimes it's just a helping hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Absolutely, as always, Paul, great directed to the point.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much, Thank you, Happy holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>Merry Christmas. I celebrate Christmas, so if you wish me

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<v Speaker 2>a married okay, well I wish you were Merry Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'd always like to hear Merry Christmas. Thanks very much, thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You, Merry Christmas to you, Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. When we get back, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about a method, a proven method to single

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<v Speaker 2>handedly transform your relationship and create harmony in your home.

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<v Speaker 2>This ought to be interesting. We'll be back right after

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<v Speaker 2>this on night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now we're welcoming a guest who I've not spoken

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<v Speaker 2>with before, Paul Martino. He's the founder of Relationship development

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<v Speaker 2>dot org, author of The Missing Piece, The Missing Piece

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<v Speaker 2>of proven method to single hndenly transform your relationship and

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<v Speaker 2>create harmony in your home. This sounds like a big

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<v Speaker 2>mountain to climb here, Paul, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>Good Dan, and thank you for having me as your

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<v Speaker 4>guest tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>You have you have set the bar pretty high, so

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<v Speaker 2>pretty high. So tell us about it. And obviously you're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be able to tell us everything about it

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<v Speaker 2>in the you know, six or seven minutes that we have,

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<v Speaker 2>But tell us about it, and then how can people

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<v Speaker 2>get a copy of information? So let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 2>can be done when there's some disharmony in people's home.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. Well, the first thing we have to look at

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<v Speaker 4>is the paradigm shift that this book is basically delivering on,

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<v Speaker 2>Use the phrase skill sets. Okay, Now, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>fifty to fifty if they're ninety ten where one person

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<v Speaker 4>And Dan, and I think most people would agree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's again part of sort of the perspective that

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<v Speaker 4>It's not about fifty to fifty because fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 4>these things are not bad, but they're not exactly going

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<v Speaker 2>To explain to me just a little bit. And I

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<v Speaker 2>realize you cont in six or seven minutes explain everything,

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<v Speaker 2>But what is the skill set? I mean? I think

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<v Speaker 2>that listening is an important skill set because I think

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<v Speaker 4>That's the key part of all of it, because if

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<v Speaker 4>will just say it doesn't require psychologists. It really just requires,

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<v Speaker 4>like you're saying, good listening skills and really understanding people.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's in effect it's still a skill set. But

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<v Speaker 4>what I would say is listening is good. But we

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<v Speaker 4>do they see it from behind their eyeballs? So like

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<v Speaker 4>there's a there's an elevation more or less to the

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<v Speaker 4>skill set that you're well, you're correct, we kind of

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<v Speaker 4>have to take it up another notch if we want

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<v Speaker 2>How long you been doing this? How many years?

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<v Speaker 4>Fourteen years? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>the funny thing is we're not psychiatrists. We're not psychologists.

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't even begin this as an intention. What happened

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<v Speaker 4>honestly by accident, and then over a journey that they

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<v Speaker 4>dot Com. What they'll find out is that from what

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<v Speaker 4>she discovered, we've developed a proven method that changes these perspectives.

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<v Speaker 4>It basically she uncovered a new paradigm for a relationship

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<v Speaker 4>that is un like anything that we've realized before. But

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<v Speaker 4>once you can start seeing how these pieces fit together

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<v Speaker 4>and the skill sets and how they apply, now it

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<v Speaker 4>starts to all make sense and it's no longer contrarian

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<v Speaker 4>that one person can change the relationship. It becomes more

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<v Speaker 2>So you're talking about relationships, it sounds to me like

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<v Speaker 2>between couples. But does this also extent to relationships let

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<v Speaker 2>us say between siblings who might live outside in different

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, excellent question, Dan, And yeah, it applies to all

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<v Speaker 4>relationships because at the end of the day, your relationship

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<v Speaker 4>and a coworker, you and your parents, you and your boss,

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<v Speaker 4>and the skill sets to navigate those, especially when we

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<v Speaker 4>have very different perspectives that we're bringing to the same circumstance.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, last question, and that is, in your opinion, do

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<v Speaker 2>both people Let's assume there's a listener out there who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to improve their relationship with someone within their family,

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<v Speaker 2>whomever that is, whether it's a spouse, whether it's a child,

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<v Speaker 2>a parent, or whatever. Do both people who have allowed

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely so. Everything about what we do is a one

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<v Speaker 4>person method, and in long term relationships, untrained, we keep

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<v Speaker 4>one person can't make a difference, but it's definitely one

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<v Speaker 4>person who participates, and we don't do any couple's work ever.

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<v Speaker 4>Our entire methodology is about empowering one person with the

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<v Speaker 4>the transformation. And that's the story of my life because

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<v Speaker 4>when Stacy saved our relationship, I was not interested in

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<v Speaker 4>doing anything. And yet even I transformed after about a

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<v Speaker 4>So there's there's a cause and effect relationship, and this

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<v Speaker 4>is how that cycle works, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Again, what's the book? Is the missing Piece dot

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<v Speaker 2>and they can find it at the missingpiece dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that it exactly, thank you, Dan. And yet that'll

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<v Speaker 4>provide more information. They can go pre order the book.

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<v Speaker 4>It'll give them helpful links to good Amazon or Barnes

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<v Speaker 4>and Noble, whatever their favorite bookstore is, and they can

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and the missing piece is spelled p I e ce.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not talking about peace and harmony. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 4>That is correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you, Paul very much, and we'll talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>again at some point. Okay, maybe we'll have you on

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<v Speaker 4>That would be great. And I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting because I asked some questions. But there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of my listeners out there I know who are sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there saying I wish this was a phone call interview.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do it. We'll do it for an hour later

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that sounds fantastic, and thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, You're welcome, Paul, Thanks very much. We come back

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<v Speaker 2>on to talk about Christmas movies. Why do some people

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<v Speaker 2>love Christmas movies and others hate Christmas movies? Hey? For me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Bad Santa. Gotta watch Bad Santa every year. We're

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<v Speaker 2>Five reasons why Christmas movies make us feel good according

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<v Speaker 2>to science. We'll talk about that as well. We got

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<v Speaker 2>lots to deal with and then later on we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the Physician Pathway Act. We got a

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<v Speaker 2>great show coming up tonight. Stay with us. My name's

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray. This is the Nightside on WBZ, Boston's news

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<v Speaker 2>radio ten thirty on your AM dial. It is Christmas time.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's the third, so it's twenty two days till Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>and all of us will watch some Christmas movies. I

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<v Speaker 2>assume between now and the big day, the twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 2>of December with us is doctor matt Chalmers. Mad You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna tell us why do some people love Christmas movies

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<v Speaker 2>and other people hate Christmas movies. You're not a psychologist.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a healthy living expert and a chiropractor. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very interested as to how you developed this this perspective

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<v Speaker 2>or this knowledge. How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing very well. It's it's lots and lots of

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<v Speaker 5>years of study.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, go ahead, No, no, I'm I sort of leave

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<v Speaker 2>it as an open ended question. There, my friend to

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<v Speaker 2>love to know it would start off with the big question,

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<v Speaker 2>why do some people love them and other people hate them?

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<v Speaker 2>I happen to have a favorite Christmas movie. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a sentimental sort of guy, but I love Bad Santa.

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<v Speaker 5>Bad Things is a fantastic movie. He gives a great

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<v Speaker 5>little twist on it. And you gotta love Billy Bob.

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<v Speaker 5>He's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just don't know why he didn't win the

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar that year, which which baffles me, to be honest

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<v Speaker 4>You yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, it's one of those things where it's sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought I thought it was a tour de

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<v Speaker 2>force in all honesty, and I'm not a movie expert.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my predecessors was a absolute movie expert. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>half joking with you, but bad sense. It is a funny,

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<v Speaker 2>funny flick, go right ahead. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, so, typically what we're saying is that it depends

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<v Speaker 5>on how how into the festival of Christmas you are.

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<v Speaker 5>really love the presence, but it's how how much into

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<v Speaker 5>if you're really into the decorations and the trees, you're

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<v Speaker 5>also going to be into the movies because that's part

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<v Speaker 5>where the love of the christmasity comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>So give us the movie that, in your opinion, are

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<v Speaker 2>some must be universally loved. It's a Wonderful Life? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that a universe? I think of that as a Christmas movie?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, a Wonderful Life, a Christmas Carol. Those are

425
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<v Speaker 5>univers that love. The newer ones that everybody loves is elf.

426
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<v Speaker 5>Elf is one of the easier new classics that everybody loves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, Wolf Ferrell is in is the Elf. If

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<v Speaker 2>I recall correctly, again, I'm not a movie of ficient

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<v Speaker 2>out of I know, I know enough about this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>just to be dangerous. Why do people dislike I mean,

431
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<v Speaker 2>how can you dislike a Christmas movie that's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand that?

433
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<v Speaker 5>Well, there's there's lots of little reasons, you know, like obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>if it was something you watch your parents, your parents

435
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<v Speaker 5>are gone, you know, you have a little bit of

436
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<v Speaker 5>you know that's really emotional for you, so you don't

437
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<v Speaker 5>want to be in that area, you know. And then

438
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<v Speaker 5>you know, if you're if you realize that the you know,

439
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<v Speaker 5>movies are making everything more materialistic and see you have

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<v Speaker 5>an issue with that, that's also going to be part

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<v Speaker 5>of it. But if you're not really into the festivities

442
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<v Speaker 5>of it, some of those movies aren't great, which is

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<v Speaker 5>kind of why if you look at any holiday movie trend,

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<v Speaker 5>die Hard is always in the top three movies, because

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<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of people who are like, look, I

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<v Speaker 5>want to be this is my piece offering to agreeableness.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to watch a movie with you. I'd

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<v Speaker 5>like to be festive, But most of them are not

449
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<v Speaker 5>very good movies. If you'll count Die Hard as a

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<v Speaker 5>Christmas movie? I will watch that with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you count No Country for Old Men?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if that's ever ever on the list,

453
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<v Speaker 5>but you know, if you are those things where you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if it counts for the festivities, then you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know great, I guess you know. I to be honest

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<v Speaker 2>with that, I think that some of the old movies

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<v Speaker 2>are really great. I also enjoyed the Home Alone movie

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<v Speaker 2>McAuley culkin. My kids were kind of that age when

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<v Speaker 2>the movies came out, and I could see losing them

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<v Speaker 2>on an airplane or at an airport. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess this thing did you connect to as well? Correct? Correct?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of a lot of the themes of the

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<v Speaker 5>Christmas movies are reuniting of the family. So you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in Home Alone's case, it was the family was fractionated,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, the little boy felt like he didn't

468
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<v Speaker 5>he didn't fit in, and then afterwards like they became

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<v Speaker 5>a tighter knit family and they showed the love. And

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<v Speaker 5>that's really what everybody was looking for in that movie,

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<v Speaker 5>was the was the family coming back together for the

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<v Speaker 5>Christmas present?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there's there's also a sub question here, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if if you sent this to us,

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<v Speaker 2>the five reasons why Christmas movies make us feel good

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<v Speaker 2>according to science. Are you familiar that did you send

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<v Speaker 2>us that piece?

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<v Speaker 5>It's I didn't, but I've seen things similar to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So so give us I mean, obviously, Christmas is

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful time for most people.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know if if your family is together, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that no one's off, you know, fighting in

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<v Speaker 2>a war halfway around the world. U. You know, no

485
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<v Speaker 2>one's is strange. It's it's a good family feeling. It's

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<v Speaker 2>one time of year when we sort of like all

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<v Speaker 2>kind of get off the treadmill of life, as I

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<v Speaker 2>call it. So that's one of the reasons. Give me

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the other reasons why uh, in your

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<v Speaker 2>opinion and probably others why they make why Christmas movies

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<v Speaker 2>make us feel good? Above and apart from the wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>season that Christmas is and what it represents, well, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think that's kind of the whole the whole nut of

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<v Speaker 5>it is is the is the regeneration of closeness. So

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<v Speaker 5>like in the Christmas Carol you had the Great Hero's

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<v Speaker 5>journey of you know, the character who was you know,

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<v Speaker 5>very antisocial and didn't really like people, and then through

498
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<v Speaker 5>his his journey, he starts to figure out that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe he does need to be more conscientious and more

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<v Speaker 5>kind to people around him, and so he becomes a

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<v Speaker 5>whole new person. And the same type of thing I

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<v Speaker 5>guess with the Family Unit, where a lot of Christmas

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<v Speaker 5>movies are you know, a strange you know and why

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<v Speaker 5>is a strange family family that's not really close, and

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<v Speaker 5>then through the ordeals they go through through the movie,

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<v Speaker 5>they end up becoming closer as a family unit. And

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<v Speaker 5>people really want that connection, that closeness, that community feeling,

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<v Speaker 5>and so bringing that the ability for that to happen

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<v Speaker 5>back to people in a fantasy realm is really appealing

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<v Speaker 5>to a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>What I really like about Christmas, you know, besides the

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<v Speaker 2>familial relationships and all of that, but I really enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of just the peace and quiet of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth of December, whether you're just taking a walk

515
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<v Speaker 2>in the woods or you're going to church to you know,

516
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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate religiously, it just seems to be peaceful. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many days during the year where we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have peace Is that a factor that you've seen or

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<v Speaker 2>am I imagining something?

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<v Speaker 5>No, You're exactly right, Like there's a big part of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Our world is so fast and so crazy and so

522
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<v Speaker 5>stressful right now, the idea that, like you said, we're

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<v Speaker 5>just gonna take a step off the treadmill of life

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<v Speaker 5>and just kind of take a breath and be with

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<v Speaker 5>people who we care about, whether their friends or family,

526
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<v Speaker 5>or even if it's just your dog, like be able

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<v Speaker 5>to just take a step back and just kind of relax.

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<v Speaker 5>It's really important, and we all know we need to

529
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<v Speaker 5>do it, and so we just that's the day we

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<v Speaker 5>remind ourselves to do it, you know, in my in.

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<v Speaker 2>My case, especially the dog, because the dog's the one

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<v Speaker 2>member of the family that never argues with you. All

533
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<v Speaker 2>he wants to do is kind of hang around and

534
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<v Speaker 2>maybe take a walk and get fed. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>probably never didn't coin the phrase, but I like the

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<v Speaker 2>phrase the treadmill of life because life and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be a downer, but life can be such

538
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<v Speaker 2>a treadmill, even when you're doing something that you enjoy,

539
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<v Speaker 2>which I like doing what I enjoy, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>the morning that I put my son on the bus

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<v Speaker 2>the first day to kindergarten. As he sort of, you know,

542
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<v Speaker 2>pulled himself up onto the bus, I said, very quietly,

543
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<v Speaker 2>and my breath, but so he could kind of hear me,

544
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<v Speaker 2>I said, welcome to the treadmill of life, because once

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<v Speaker 2>you start kindergarten, man, it doesn't stop and for a

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<v Speaker 2>long long time, except for those Christmas days. So, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a way people can get in touch with you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you doing this out of the goodness of your

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<v Speaker 2>heart or is there a website? Look, most folks who

550
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<v Speaker 2>come on the show have a website or a book

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<v Speaker 2>that they like to plug and I like to give

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<v Speaker 2>even someone like yourself. I don't see anything here in

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<v Speaker 2>my notes that says Mark has written this book about

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas movies. Tell us if there's anything that we can

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<v Speaker 2>help you out with, because you've been a really fun guest.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, one of the things I really work on a

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<v Speaker 5>lot is stress. And so one of the things we're

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<v Speaker 5>doing to help everybody is on X and Facebook and Instagram,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing a how to choose your healthcare providers, dentists, doctors,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, therapist, that type of thing on Doctor Chalmers one.

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<v Speaker 5>So just the social media doctor Chalmers the number one.

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<v Speaker 5>We're doing a whole sentation on how to find those

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<v Speaker 5>whole in your area. The idea of just getting out

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<v Speaker 5>and getting you know, physiological information helping people get better

565
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<v Speaker 5>is really kind of where it is for me. So

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<v Speaker 5>you know, that's kind of my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So doctor Chalmers, and it's it's all. There's no it's

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<v Speaker 2>D R C H A, L M, E R S

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<v Speaker 2>and the numeral one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, sir, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'll tell you just finding a doctor these days.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, here in Massachusetts we like to think of

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves as sort of the medical capital of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>We have you know, Leahy Clinic, mass General Hospital, bring

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<v Speaker 2>them in Women's Hospital, great hospitals here, you know, Baptist,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and just we have great hospitals. But try to

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<v Speaker 2>find a doctor, just a PCP of and not I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say just but simple doctor, you know

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<v Speaker 2>who you can go to your primary care physician. It's

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<v Speaker 2>impossible now, Mark, and we uh, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that in the next in the next SEGM. And

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a Massachusetts just past the Physician Pathway Act,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe we should have you back and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what you do and how difficult it is to find

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<v Speaker 2>that healthcare provider close to where you live, so you're

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<v Speaker 2>not driving three hundred miles to go to an annual physical.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely know it's especially what you're trying to find somebody

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<v Speaker 5>who works on a physiological base, Yeah, like Gary Breca's

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<v Speaker 5>stuff and figuring out the DNA and figuring out the

590
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<v Speaker 5>actual route problems and fixing them that way. It's it's very,

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<v Speaker 5>very difficult to find that level of functional medicine type

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<v Speaker 5>of doctors.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hopefully some of my listeners have have written it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Dr Traumas D R C H A, L M E

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<v Speaker 2>R S. The numeral one appreciated very very much, Matthew

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<v Speaker 2>DTR Traumas, It's been a pleasure to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>When I watched Bat Santa this year, I'll think about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, fabulous you sir, good talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great night. We do come back. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be talking with doctor Deeve Salem, Senior Vice President

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<v Speaker 2>for Academic Integration and Tufts Medicine, former cardiologists, chair of

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Medicine and Tufts Medical Center, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had worked along with the Massachusetts Medical Society to bring

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<v Speaker 2>the problem to the attention of then Governor Charlie Baker.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's we'll find out Massachusetts needs doctors, trust me uh

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<v Speaker 2>and there are foreign trained ones who want to work.

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<v Speaker 2>New law looks to address both those problems. Coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on the next segment of Nightside News Updates. Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios i' WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Troning us as doctor Deed Salem. He's senior vice president

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<v Speaker 2>of Academic Integration and Toughts Medicine. He's former cardiologists chair

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<v Speaker 2>of the Department of Medicine at Toft's Medical Center, and

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<v Speaker 2>he he's very much concerned about the Physician Pathway Act,

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<v Speaker 2>which apparently has is law in Massachusetts. What does the

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<v Speaker 2>Physician Pathway Act hope to accomplish, doctor Salem.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it helps to accomplish something two things at one time.

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<v Speaker 4>One is that there is a shortage of primary care

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<v Speaker 4>doctors in Massachusetts, which will only get worse. And second,

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<v Speaker 4>there are physicians that have come to the United States

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<v Speaker 4>for political reasons or other reasons that can't pain a

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<v Speaker 4>license in Massachusetts to practice medicine. So that's where doctor

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<v Speaker 4>we turned around the Governor Baker asked us two years

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<v Speaker 4>ago to look into this and see if we could

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<v Speaker 4>come up with something that could affect both of these issues.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is the status of this legislation? Has it

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<v Speaker 2>passed or is it pending?

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<v Speaker 4>It just passed, thank you, passed?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. As a consequence of the passing, how soon when

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<v Speaker 2>we start to see an influx of more doctors? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that I know from my own experience,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find a private you know, a personal care

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<v Speaker 2>physician a PCP is almost impossible in Massachusetts. And we

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<v Speaker 2>used to think about states like Mississippi backwater, you know

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<v Speaker 2>as a backwater state, or Montana where there was one

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<v Speaker 2>doctor every five hundred miles. This is Massachusetts, This is

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<v Speaker 2>not this is crazy. How soon will we see this

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<v Speaker 2>turn around a little bit?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? Okay, of course, that's a great question. Let me

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<v Speaker 4>just add it is so crazy that I have physicians

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<v Speaker 4>calling me telling me they cans find the primary care doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>So and that tells you a lot. It's not going

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<v Speaker 4>to happen automatically. It needs now to be put together operationally.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I don't know what my guess is.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is just a guess it may take it

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<v Speaker 4>here to get this put together.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a theory, doctor Salem, which is one that

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<v Speaker 2>I developed myself, and that is that. And you do

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<v Speaker 2>not have to endorse my theory. You can tell me

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dead wrong if you want. I have a theory

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<v Speaker 2>that there are forces, including the American Medical Association, which

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<v Speaker 2>has tamped down the number of legitimate medical universities medical

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<v Speaker 2>schools in this country. There are a lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>talented American kids from great colleges who are going offshore

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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to practice medicine. There should be many more.

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<v Speaker 2>We have more law schools than we need, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have fewer medical schools than we must have. Am I

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<v Speaker 2>right or wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>I believe you're wrong. The reason is medical schools want

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<v Speaker 4>to grow. They want to teach more because that for

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<v Speaker 4>most medical schools, that how they get their income. There's

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<v Speaker 4>some schools that are state schools, et cetera. They want

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<v Speaker 4>to grow. The rate limiting factor is not that the

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<v Speaker 4>schools don't want to teach more people. The rate limiting

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<v Speaker 4>factor there's only a certain amount of hospitals that can

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<v Speaker 4>teach the third and fourth year of medical school where

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<v Speaker 4>they where they learn you know, you have the first

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<v Speaker 4>two years where you're doing a lot of bookwork and

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<v Speaker 4>that is now you can do this online, but you

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<v Speaker 4>need to have places like you know, I'm a tough

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<v Speaker 4>medical center. We can't we have a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 4>students that we can teach. After that we can't do

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<v Speaker 4>a good job doing it. So the rate limiting step

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<v Speaker 4>has been for years the fact that we don't have

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<v Speaker 4>enough teaching hospital and to be you know, to be

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<v Speaker 4>there are a lot of good community hospitals that they're

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<v Speaker 4>not appropriate often to teach medical students, or they may

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<v Speaker 4>not want to teach medical students. That to me is

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<v Speaker 4>the right limiting step that I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 4>fix that.

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<v Speaker 2>UH.

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<v Speaker 4>In our own institution, we have two community hospitals, Lowell

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<v Speaker 4>General being one of them. For example. We're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>take that hospital and turn it into UH give me

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<v Speaker 4>the ability to teach students, and that could help the

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<v Speaker 4>medical school increase its class size.

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<v Speaker 2>So at a list, doctor, the last thing, you know

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<v Speaker 2>your business much better than I. But I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>a list of offshore medical schools just in the Caribbean,

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<v Speaker 2>many of whom the only one ones are that are

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<v Speaker 2>not including that are not enrolling American students are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones in Cuba. But I look at St. George's University

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<v Speaker 2>School of Medicine in Grenada and as an example, those

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<v Speaker 2>students are coming back here and practicing medicine. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see why we can't train them here in Massachusetts because

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<v Speaker 2>if they're coming back to practice medicine from places like Grenada,

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<v Speaker 2>it's American kids going off shore.

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<v Speaker 4>So I can only speak about Massachusetts. If they do

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<v Speaker 4>go offshore. Yeah, they can come back here only at

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<v Speaker 4>least from Massachusetts, only if they do their residency training

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<v Speaker 4>in an American school, in an American hospital. So you're

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<v Speaker 4>half right, So we get listen. When I was chairman

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<v Speaker 4>of the Department of Medicine, we got a number of

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<v Speaker 4>a number each year of amazingly good medical students that

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<v Speaker 4>had graduated from hospitals outside the United States, and we

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<v Speaker 4>gave them they went into when we did our matches,

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<v Speaker 4>we'd almost get a number of them, some of them

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<v Speaker 4>at md thhds that seted up very very well trained

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<v Speaker 4>that they could not get a license unless their internship

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<v Speaker 4>and residency.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, all right, look, I appreciate your expertise.

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<v Speaker 2>I love to talk to you about it more, but

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to me it's all red tape in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to well, there are just too many

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<v Speaker 2>kids who I think could be trained if we could

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<v Speaker 2>open up some more medical schools. And it's also, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way tougher. There are a few veterinary schools in

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<v Speaker 2>this country. Then then there are medical schools, which is

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<v Speaker 2>also crazy. Doctor. Thank you so much for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to have you on and talk about this at

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<v Speaker 2>greater depth. I may have my producer get back to

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<v Speaker 2>you folks, if that's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I would be pleased to do it. I've spent a

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<v Speaker 4>huge amount of my career worrying about the things you're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, Doctor Deep Salem, my guest here tonight

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside. Thank you, doctor Salem. When we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about a very interesting piece written

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<v Speaker 2>by Joe Vanaki in Today's Boston Globe. We will be

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside right after this