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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome back to The Unseen Podcast, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to missing people, unreserved cases, and UK true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to be covering the missing person case

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<v Speaker 1>of Zoe Simpson in nineteen ninety six. Her disappearance has

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<v Speaker 1>remained a mystery since it occurred, and while police have

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<v Speaker 1>stated that this is now a murder case, there are

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<v Speaker 1>many unanswered questions. This episode contains descriptions that some listeners

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<v Speaker 1>may find distressing, so listener discretion is advised. Longside is

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<v Speaker 1>an inner city area of Manchester, around three miles south

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<v Speaker 1>of the city center. It's long been known as a

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<v Speaker 1>very diverse area. However, it has been played for many

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<v Speaker 1>years with crime and violence. This is due to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the area of Moss's Side is located close by,

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<v Speaker 1>and for many years in the nineteen nineties, gang violence

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<v Speaker 1>was prevalent, with many shootings taking place. Today it is

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<v Speaker 1>less known for violence. However, when Zoe Simpson and her

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend Carl moved Alongside in nineteen ninety three, they would

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<v Speaker 1>have been well aware of the situation unfolding in nearby

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<v Speaker 1>Moss Side. Zoe was originally from Macclesfield, a market town

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<v Speaker 1>in Cheshire around sixteen miles south of the city center

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<v Speaker 1>of Manchester. She had grown up in a middle class

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<v Speaker 1>home with her mum, Carol and her dad Ian. Those

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<v Speaker 1>that knew Zoe when she was growing up said that

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<v Speaker 1>she was a happy and bubbly person who got on

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<v Speaker 1>well with others. Her mum, Carol later said that as

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<v Speaker 1>she was growing up, she had aspirations to go into

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<v Speaker 1>the child care career and after finishing her gcsees this

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<v Speaker 1>is what she was aiming to do. Her mum explained

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<v Speaker 1>that when Zoe turned sixteen, she met her boyfriend Karl,

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<v Speaker 1>and around a year later she discovered she was pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>with her daughter. Shortly after giving birth to her daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>Zoe and car were evicted from where they were living

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<v Speaker 1>and moved into a caravan, which was located in a

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<v Speaker 1>lay by. Carol explained her father and I were opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the relationship, and the longer it went on, the

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<v Speaker 1>less Zoe came to see us. About a year later,

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<v Speaker 1>she gave birth to a daughter and moved with her

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend to a house in Longsite, bought with money inherited

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<v Speaker 1>from her father's will after he died in nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>This was how Zoe moved to Newbank Road in Longside

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<v Speaker 1>in that year, and the family lived there together. Neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>would later say that they were a quiet family who

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't hear much from, and it seemed that they

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<v Speaker 1>were just living their lives and getting on with it.

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<v Speaker 1>In early nine nineteen ninety six, Zoe gave birth to

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<v Speaker 1>her son, and it was at this point that those

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<v Speaker 1>that knew Zoe felt like something had changed. Her mum

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<v Speaker 1>stated Zoe had a baby's son in March nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>but by then she had broken off contact with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Those that knew her explain that after the birth of

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<v Speaker 1>her son, Zoe began struggling with postnatal depression and was

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<v Speaker 1>put on medication for this. As a result, it would

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<v Speaker 1>seem that Zoe was struggling. However, she loved her children

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<v Speaker 1>very much and was known to dote on them. At

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<v Speaker 1>the end of October nineteen ninety six, Zoe was living

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<v Speaker 1>with Karl and her two children in Longsight. However, it

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<v Speaker 1>was that month that something very unusual happened. Karl rang

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<v Speaker 1>up Greater Manchester Police and told them that Zoe had

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<v Speaker 1>not returned home and that she was missing. This was

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<v Speaker 1>alarming given that Zoe had left behind her six year

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<v Speaker 1>old daughter an eight month old son. When police gained

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<v Speaker 1>more information about her disappearance, they found that Zoe had

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<v Speaker 1>last been seen on October the twenty sixth, and that

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<v Speaker 1>she had not contacted anyone or been seen since. They

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<v Speaker 1>also learned some other information about Zoe that she was

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<v Speaker 1>currently on medication for post natal depression that she had

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<v Speaker 1>been suffering from since her son's birth, and this detail

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<v Speaker 1>by itself made her a honorable missing person. They also

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<v Speaker 1>learned that Zoe had gone missing a month earlier, in

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<v Speaker 1>September nineteen ninety six, but that she had returned around

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours after she disappeared. This was crucial information

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<v Speaker 1>and provided police with important background. It did not help

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<v Speaker 1>the investigators, though, find out where Zoe might have gone

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<v Speaker 1>after leaving her home or what had motivated her to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>This was evidently a missing person case, as there was

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<v Speaker 1>no evidence that she had come to harm. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>were some clues that perhaps Zoe had not intended to

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<v Speaker 1>leave for long. On the day that she disappeared, she

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<v Speaker 1>had not taken any of her clothes, and she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any money. If she had left of her own accord,

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<v Speaker 1>how did she intend on living? This seemed strange to

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<v Speaker 1>those that knew Zoe, and there was also the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that she had left behind her two children with no

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<v Speaker 1>clue as to her whereabouts, and she had not contacted

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<v Speaker 1>them in the time that elapsed between her disappearance and

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<v Speaker 1>the police becoming involved. Her family did not believe she

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<v Speaker 1>would have abandoned her children, and it was difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend that she just vanished into thin air. Her description

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<v Speaker 1>was issued to the public in the hope that someone

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<v Speaker 1>had seen her and could provide the police with information.

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<v Speaker 1>She was reported as being five feet six inches tall,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately and build, with black shoulder length hair and brown eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>She was last seen wearing red jeans, a black coat,

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<v Speaker 1>and black ankle boots. In the months following her disappearance,

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<v Speaker 1>police continued to collate information from the public and investigate

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<v Speaker 1>different possibilities. There was little evidence to go on in

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<v Speaker 1>the case, However, the longer that Zoe remained missing, the

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<v Speaker 1>less hope that her family and the police had that

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<v Speaker 1>she was alive. Checks at local hospitals turned up no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of Zoe, and it appeared that she hadn't accessed

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<v Speaker 1>any of her accounts or made any transactions at the bank.

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<v Speaker 1>This raised many red flags for the police and indicated

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<v Speaker 1>that she had just vanished without a trace. The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing that seemed unusual about the disappearance was that Zoe

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<v Speaker 1>was due to inherit around sixty five thousand pounds from

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<v Speaker 1>her dad's will that had been in trust for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She was due to receive that on her twenty fifth birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>not long after she disappeared, and it seemed odd that

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<v Speaker 1>if she wanted to leave her life behind, that she

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<v Speaker 1>was leave before receiving this money. Due to her disappearance,

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<v Speaker 1>the money remained in trust and had not been paid out.

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<v Speaker 1>In March nineteen ninety seven, it was reported that a

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<v Speaker 1>search was underway at the house in New Bank Street

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<v Speaker 1>where Zoe and Carl lived. This was reported as a

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<v Speaker 1>routine search, but it was a thorough one, with floorboards

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<v Speaker 1>ripped up and the garden excavated for evidence. Kyle's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who was helping to look after the couple's children, told

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<v Speaker 1>the newspaper the police search is just a routine thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The police asked Carl if it would be all right

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<v Speaker 1>to do another search of the house, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead. Karl is not being questioned by the police.

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<v Speaker 1>He's staying with the friend for a few days. He's

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<v Speaker 1>very upset. They had been together for ten ten years

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<v Speaker 1>and this is really stressful for him. The search was conducted, however,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't appear that anything evidential was discovered at the home.

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<v Speaker 1>They also conducted searches in Macclesfield at places that Zoe

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<v Speaker 1>had been known to frequent, including a boggy area of

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<v Speaker 1>land between the Moss Council estate and the tip This

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<v Speaker 1>they said was being conducted as a routine search and

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<v Speaker 1>that police were not working on a specific tip off.

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<v Speaker 1>Police seemed to be trying to follow up with as

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<v Speaker 1>many leads as they could, and it was clear that

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<v Speaker 1>they did not have a huge amount of evidence as

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<v Speaker 1>to where she may be. During this time, Zoe's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Carol continued to struggle with the idea that her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>was missing without a trace, and she became more and

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<v Speaker 1>more convinced, like the police, that Zoe had come to harm.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, I first feared the worst later that year,

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<v Speaker 1>when Zoe's twenty fifth birthday came and went with no

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<v Speaker 1>word from her. She made a big thing of birthdays

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<v Speaker 1>and always sent me a card on mine or at Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing has been sent since she disappeared. All I

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<v Speaker 1>can ask now is that whoever knows what happened to Zoe,

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<v Speaker 1>would they please have a heart and tell the police.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to lay my daughter to rest with dignity.

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<v Speaker 1>Until Zoe has been found. I cling to the faint

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<v Speaker 1>hope that she is alive, but deep down I know

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<v Speaker 1>she's been the victim of a horrible crime. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a development in the case when police made an arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>They had arrested Carl for the murder of Zoe. It

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<v Speaker 1>was reported that when he was arrested, he became agitated

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<v Speaker 1>and a police surgeon had to be called to assess

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<v Speaker 1>his state. He was then sectioned under the Mental Health

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<v Speaker 1>Act and placed in a hospital. His mother, Jennifer, told

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<v Speaker 1>me the press that Karl had been pursued by the police,

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<v Speaker 1>saying they have followed him, took his house to bits,

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<v Speaker 1>and exerted psychological pressure. She also said that they had

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<v Speaker 1>accused her of being obstructive in the investigation. However, she

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<v Speaker 1>believed that she'd only tried to help the officers. It

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<v Speaker 1>was confirmed that Karl had been arrested for the murder. However,

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<v Speaker 1>following his stint in the hospital, who was also confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>that charges against him had been dropped, presumably due to

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<v Speaker 1>lack of evidence. This must have been alarming for all

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<v Speaker 1>involved and did beg the question what exactly did they

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<v Speaker 1>think had happened to Zoe. In subsequent appeals, it was

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<v Speaker 1>clear that police were now treating Zoe's disappearance as a

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<v Speaker 1>murder investigation without a body. This seemed to be all

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<v Speaker 1>the more heightened as years began to pass without Zoe

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<v Speaker 1>contacting anyone in her family, including her children. This was

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<v Speaker 1>not like her, an incredibly out of character. In two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Superintendent Andy Tatasall of Greater Manchester Police announced that

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<v Speaker 1>they had some corroborated information that led them to a

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<v Speaker 1>scrapyard in Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. This scrapyard had a

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<v Speaker 1>Lindermann shredder which was used to recycle cars, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were only four of these shredders across the country. This

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<v Speaker 1>shredder separated metal car parts from non metallic parts and

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<v Speaker 1>shredded whole cars. The non metallic elements were then kept

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<v Speaker 1>in a slurry tank. Detective Superintendent Andy Tatasall said, we

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<v Speaker 1>strongly believed Zoe's body was disposed of at this scrapyard.

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<v Speaker 1>We believe there may be minute fragments and remains of

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<v Speaker 1>bone and teeth in particular. This was a shocking piece

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<v Speaker 1>of information. However, it appeared that police were treated this

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<v Speaker 1>as a serious and credible lead. Andy Tatasaul added, something

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<v Speaker 1>in the boot of a vehicle could quite easily go undetected,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's still a chance that we might find a

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<v Speaker 1>minute piece of Zoe. The police enlisted archaeological experts from

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<v Speaker 1>Manchester University to help them sive the pieces from the

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<v Speaker 1>slurry tank in the hope that they would find some

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<v Speaker 1>bone fragments among the pieces. It took them two days

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<v Speaker 1>to sieve through all the debris from the machine, which

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<v Speaker 1>had not been used for the previous two years. Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Tatasaul said, we believe the killer was helped in the

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<v Speaker 1>removal of Zoe's body. They know that, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>be speaking to them in the future. They will have

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<v Speaker 1>thought that they've got away with it, but with new

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<v Speaker 1>forensic tests and the help of the university, we may

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<v Speaker 1>find traces of Zoe's body. He also added that developments

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<v Speaker 1>in DNA technology may help to narrowed information from the

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<v Speaker 1>bone fragments. This was the way in which the case

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<v Speaker 1>stayed until a new article emerged in twenty thirteen. It

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<v Speaker 1>would seem that thirteen years later, the theory on the

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<v Speaker 1>case had not changed, with Andy Tattersall continuing to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the fragments of what looked to be tooth and

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<v Speaker 1>bone that they found in two thousand could be a

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<v Speaker 1>clue as to what happened to Zoe. In this article,

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<v Speaker 1>police stated that they believed Zoe had been killed in

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<v Speaker 1>Manchester and her body was taken sixty miles away down

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<v Speaker 1>the M six to the scrap yard, where Zoe's body

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<v Speaker 1>and the car were put through the shredder. He confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>that the fragments were compared to Zoe's DNA to see

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<v Speaker 1>if there was a match. There has been no information

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<v Speaker 1>since about this DNA testing. He said in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>We are now convinced that Zoe has been killed and

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<v Speaker 1>that her body was disposed. Strongly that we're closing in

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<v Speaker 1>on those responsible and bearing that in mind, I would

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<v Speaker 1>urge anyone who has information to come forward now and

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what they know. It would be in their

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<v Speaker 1>best interests. This is where the case now remains and

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<v Speaker 1>seems to have stayed for the past twelve years, with

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<v Speaker 1>little information being published about Zoe's case. It's clear that

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<v Speaker 1>police believes that she was murdered in nineteen ninety six. However,

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<v Speaker 1>who did this and exactly how it was done is unclear.

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<v Speaker 1>Police clearly believe that they're working incredible information about the

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<v Speaker 1>scrapyard and the shredder. However, if this is true, then

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<v Speaker 1>this is an awful, brutal, and devastating crime. Who would

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<v Speaker 1>have committed such a terrible crime and why Zoe her

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<v Speaker 1>family have had to live with not knowing what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to her for all these years, including her two children

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<v Speaker 1>who she left behind. The not knowing must be horrendous

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone involved in this case. Police believes that someone

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<v Speaker 1>close to Zoe are from the area, must know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to her, and they have hoped for all these

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<v Speaker 1>years that this person will come forward. Chief Inspector Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>Arnold said it best at the time of the original investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>we have not had so much of a hint of

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<v Speaker 1>a sighting of Zoe. She has vanished without trace. But

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<v Speaker 1>we believe that people always holding crucial information about what

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<v Speaker 1>happened I urge them to search their consciences and end

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<v Speaker 1>Zoe's family's pain once and for all. Can anyone imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that agony her mother is endured and is still enduring.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know anything about the disappearance or murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Zoe Simpson in nineteen ninety six in Longsight, then please

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<v Speaker 1>contact the police on one oh one or crime stoppers

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<v Speaker 1>are eight hundred five five five one one. One could

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<v Speaker 1>really help her family to finally find out what happened

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