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as Casey Kreegan is back with us. Casey, how's it going,
what's happening. We're gonna skip over Craig and go right
to you. How's your Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: It was great? Thanks Rob, appreciate it, and hello to
you and Craig appreciate you. Guys. Having me on as always.
You know, I love being here. So even though my
team may have lost, and I'm sure we may hear
about it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Wait, who is your team?
Speaker 3: The New York Rangers.
Speaker 2: We're talking. We're talking college football, and we will get
into that at some point because robbery weekend just passed.
But before before we dive in too deep, Craig is
still covering overtime, So let's let's page on over to.
Speaker 1: Him this time. Do we go the field? What are
we doing? What happens?
Speaker 2: Okay, off the jump? Do we like the overtime format? No, casey.
Speaker 3: I did until Friday night. I thought it was great
because normally, you know, one team scores the two, the
other team doesn't, it's over. But when they just continued
to go, I was following on Twitter and all the
talking heads out there were like, this is awful. Can
we just like start kicking field goals at this point?
So I really I was.
Speaker 1: Trying to do the recap and like try to figuring
out like which overtime it was, and I thought I
heard something too, like even the players are like when
do we go for two? You know, like because I
think I feel like Brent Key almost liked Brent Bryan
always sorry, who's That's why I still fun set up
for him. But like bran Keeth, even after the second
overcome when they scored, he was going one one, one again,
but you have to go for two at that point.
It's just like it's just like confusing. It's like the
Ghost Runner for baseball. Yeah, I saw that analogy somewhere
this bit this weekend, just kind of do it like
the NFL. Each each team gets a possession. If they
both scored, great than the one who scored, you know,
next ends like make it football. Don't do this thing
from the three yard line because it's not football. Okay,
I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's so much fun. It's so much fun.
And if you want to avoid it, then win the
game in regulation and don't play with your food. Georgia. Look,
you have the first overtime to get it done like.
Speaker 1: A normal football team. If we would have kicked an
extra point in the third quarter rather than going for two,
we would not have had to worry about these eight
overtime silliness. But Kirby, Okay, so then we're not gonna.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna blame the playoff format because of your
I am the at decision. I am No, we're not
blaming that. We're not blaming it. I completely agree thought.
I think it's great. Eventually you get to a point where, hey,
if we're backing up and we're playing from the twenty five,
we're backing up, we're playing from the fifty, we're kicking off.
Whatever you want to do. Eventually, just put the ball
down and see if you can get three yards. If
you can get three yards, then let's let's move on.
That's what football is about, right, smash mouth. You hit
each other in the in the in the mouth. Can
I move the ball? Can I outleverage you enough to
pick up three yards?
Speaker 3: It was pretty obvious that the teams couldn't for seven
of the eight overtimes exactly.
Speaker 1: But here's the deer, here's the deal. Wow, uh, Buster
Faulkner apparently forgot that Haynes King got three yards every
time he touched the ball, and for whatever reason, he
just made him throw like I predictable.
Speaker 2: No, you're giving him. You're giving him options. If you're
throwing the ball, you're giving him options.
Speaker 1: Okay, what what are the options? I'm gonna put it
on the hash and then I'm gonna roll out. I'm
gonna flood one side. We're gonna have a pick or
a not pick, and we're trying to do something like
to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then the the added option asked Casey is
if the quarterback has one open, then he runs into
the end zone. Kelan Or Sellers, I mean, right, is
that not? Is that not what happens Craig, because.
Speaker 1: He just was he just trying to in there and some.
Speaker 3: Pot he got it in there early too, Like I
I can't even see the clock here, but that was early.
Speaker 1: That was early. Got Okay, I have.
Speaker 2: One more question. I have one more question before we
before we jump in, because I don't want to I
don't want to get too deep into the into the
eight eight overtimes just yet, because we didn't talk about.
Speaker 1: It, cal, Why don't we want to get into the eight?
Speaker 2: No, I want to talk about flag planting first, because
you have beef with flag planting and I need to
get it out of the way. I need to clear
it off of my agenda because I'm looking at the
show schedule and I will not come back to it
if we don't clear out to begin with, Craig's filibuster
and go.
Speaker 1: Just stop, okay, Like it's not cool to go stomp
or to go kick up your your you're trying to
plan a flag and artificial turf. It's not classy. Go
win the damn game and take the trophy and go home.
Don't go and act like some badass at the fifty
yard line and go kick something up. You're not cool,
You're not tough.
Speaker 2: So just you know, it's even worse when you lost
the game, when you're when you lost the game and
you're a sore loser and you go out and try
to steal the flag that's being planted on your field,
like was it not enough?
Speaker 1: But what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2: You take your lumps and go to the locker room
because you lost in the sixty minutes that was played
between the lines. You not only lost the game, now
you're going to lose the scuffle because you go out
there and try to steal the flag, Like, what what's
going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Are you just a glutton for l's today? Because you
couldn't pull off the wind in regulation, so now you
have to go out and stir something up by taking
the flag Look, this has just become a thing. When
teams win, especially on rivalry weekend, the flag gets planted.
It's unless they want to make a rule and say
that you can't do it. Then there's a clear way.
People hated, people hate did Cam Newton and his celebrations
and his Superman and his dabbing whatnot? And for once,
I really agree with him when he said, if you
don't want me to celebrate, don't let me in the
end zone. And the same thing goes for flag planting.
If you don't want the flag planted, then win the game.
Ohio State, do you have thoughts here? Can you break
this time?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It does. I'm going to be boring. I'm sorry.
I don't care one way or the other. But what
But the thing that it brought me to was was
it two thousand and four Clemson South Carolina brawl that
after the game the both teams decided to not play postseason?
So I'm going to lobby for the fact that I
think Michigan and Ohio State should drop out of the postseason.
Speaker 1: I would be totally they basically with the way they
played this year. I mean basically those losses they had
and some of the games they played, they basically.
Speaker 4: Lobbied to basically go Michigan. Michigan analytics, Well, Michigan's not
making it to the Outback Bowl. They're not good enough
for that, Relaquess. Well, actually, Craig.
Speaker 2: The sponsors the bag, well, the blooming Onions did.
Speaker 3: I also think Ohio State should probably be banned from
the state of South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Well, they have a hard time their fans, They have
a hard time with High State. Michigan have have had
had a tough, tough go against the game Cocks anyway.
Speaker 3: So you know, I've only beaten Clemson once and they've
never beaten the game Cocks.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it's not it's no, it's no. It's no
fun for them around here.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: All right, Is that is that what we needed to
say to talk about flag planting?
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, grow your ass up. It's dumb.
Speaker 2: What's your suggestion to clear it out?
Speaker 1: Commission, have some class and just don't do it.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's clearly not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: This is college football, Craig.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: But it's just you're thinking in the game that somebody, especially.
Speaker 1: In iverybody's gonna strong a way. So what are you
gonna do? Are you gonna be like the SEC and like, oh,
I'm gonna find find the team fifty thousand dollars?
Speaker 2: I just I just take casey. If Clemson comes over
to the SEC eventually, when Sankeye decides to finally put
his foot down and create the Super League, do you
have to stop meeting at the pall?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that.
Speaker 5: I think the grandfather are you grandfathered in?
Speaker 3: You may be grandfathered in. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well worth investigating.
Speaker 1: If a booster can put the money down to Greg,
I think anything could be grandfather in. I mean, look, Texas,
Texas got right in there. Texas had a hard time
four a little old Texas. A and M still hasn't
won an SEC championship and it doesn't played for SEC championship.
Speaker 2: Are you transitioning us?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: What it is is a segue? It feels like a second.
Speaker 1: You know, you know you're the boss, You are the
one keeping us on track. Get back from the agenda, sir,
All right.
Speaker 2: Let's run through these games. Let's talk about Georgia first.
We've we've run through our thoughts on the overtime format.
Let's talk about the game. Okay, this was dominated by
the Yellow Jackets for for what eighty percent of the
football game in regulation? I thought it was done. I
literally looked at my wife when they scored to go up.
What was it, twenty six or twenty seven to thirteen,
twenty seven to thirteen? I said, it's all. I said,
ball game, because I think how but on the on
the on the flip side of that coin, I've kind
of been in George's corner all year to say, when
they want to turn it on, they've clearly turned it on.
Speaker 5: When they want to turn it on, they've just clearly
turned it on.
Speaker 2: What what happened? I think there's there's the talking point
of the dogs are extremely inconsistent, and then there's the
talking point that I'm gonna call whiny, the whiny talking
point of the mist and air quotes here targeting call
on the fumble on the Haines King fumble. Thoughts from
either of you, from the ACC from the SEC perspective,
how do we think? Why? How?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Where does Georgia fit?
Speaker 3: I don't know how, but you don't blow a fourteen
point lead. I don't care who it's to. Right when
they went up they had, they had momentum. When Haines
King runs up the middle and you know, it got
scary for a second. Then you go back up fourteen.
You can't blow that lead. I don't care. Was it targeting?
I mean Dabo said it a couple of weeks ago.
I know this is not an ACC, but I am
a Clemson guy. What is targeting? Tell me what targeting is?
Because by what I thought it was, that was textbook targeting.
I mean it was launched from indicator, all these words
to the helmets. But againting.
Speaker 1: Because I know, and it's not me defending. I know
Jackson's helmet hits the ball. Jackson's helmet does not hit
the shoulders, does not hit the head of Hayes King.
Does that make it not targeting? Because every time when
I actually hear targeting, it's up up in the head area.
Or does it not matter? Is the problem?
Speaker 3: We had guys that were just a targeting call waiting
to happen. We actually still have one, but he doesn't
see the field much anymore. But so I don't know.
I genuinely don't know. I mean, from what I thought,
head down launch contact with the head. I mean, you
saw King's head snap back, and they obviously got the
the face mask. But you're right, Greg, he got the
ball too.
Speaker 1: So it's like like, because that's the thing, right, if
you hit the ball, then you're gonna jolt up and
probably hit upper chest. You know, like like where does
it live?
Speaker 3: I didn't live. I thought it was clean. I thought
it was helmet on.
Speaker 2: Well, well, and I think that's where that's where I
kind of come in. It is like, you know, Andy
Staples had a great point that because of the turnover,
they looked at it. They had to look at it.
They look at every turnover, so if they thought it
was targeting from that perspective, they at least looked at it.
It's not like they only went with the live look. However,
in the live game action, where do you see targeting
called the most? In terms of where on the field
of play? In the secondary across the middle, the fact
that it's the scrum of the line of scrimmage, he's
super covered up. I mean, you can you can make
the argument that the official standing in the backfield, she
could have been able to call that. But you hardly
ever see somebody running into this mass of line of
linemen at the line of scrimmage and you're gonna and
you're gonna get a targeting call. It's just it's just
a little bit too difficult to see. And to your
in casey Live, it did look clean.
Speaker 3: And I think you're exactly right. No, none of the
officials behind the line of scrimmage on the defensive side
of the ball we're capable of making that call. Not
because of ineptitude, but literally they couldn't see it. So
it was either the referee or that center judge, whatever
he is.
Speaker 1: To answer your other question as far as where does
Georgia go, Georgia either bows out in the first round
or they're playing for the national championship and they win,
I literally think that is the gamut. Like, and I
say this as watching all of their games this year,
I don't know what to predict.
Speaker 2: Well, you just read it now. They win their first
round game and book it, Craig says, their national champions.
Speaker 1: But this is what I'm saying, is like, I literally
think it depends. I mean, you look at the the
latest projection of kind of like where the AP is
at right now. You've got them playing Indiana and then
they would play Texas, they would play Texas after that,
so they played Texas three times in a row. Again,
Am I gonna be interested? Is it going to be focused?
Because I'm almost starting to think the game in Austin
was in admiration rather than what this potential found out right,
And again, I I don't know, And maybe that's very,
very crappy podcasting. Maybe Tony should fire me from the
Georgia Beat writer, but I don't. I could see either way.
I can see them, I can see them winning Saturday.
Speaker 2: Are you impressed or or unimpressed by the same against
Georgia Tech, because now you have George. Is Georgia Tech
a quality win at this point?
Speaker 1: No? I mean Georgia Tech is a pain in the ass.
Speaker 2: Considering Ward Manuel almost said that it comes a bitting
citadels he went last week. He backed himself out of
backed himself out of it. But he was walking down
that path, right.
Speaker 1: But Lake, here's the deal, uh Buster Faulkner, Hayes King.
I knew was going to give him a challenge. It's
not a quality win because at the end of the day,
you just got to show up and you've got to
be the bigger team, and it just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3: And that's I think at home.
Speaker 1: It's at home and where you're black and do this
and do that, and it's like you're laying egg again,
you're putt you're spotting a team seventeen points again in
the first half. At some point it gets old.
Speaker 3: That's a game the last few years, George's up thirty
one nothing at halftime, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And then consistently this year they're they're spotting teams, They're
free and out, Aaron Smith is dropping them every every ball,
and they're spotting teams fourteen seventeen points. At some point,
it's just going to come back to bite their ass.
It could get crooked against Texas and even a team
like Indiana. Look what the hell they did against Purdue
and then Kirstigna, he's gonna lay his foot off the guess.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Hey. One thing I will say before we
move on from this game is just a tip of
the cap to both of these schools for getting this
game on Friday, because I think that it was an
absolute treat and it got way more eyeballs. What a game.
Imagine if this game had had had a lot of competition,
because most people expected it to be a blowout.
Speaker 5: I mean Vegas expected it to be a blowout.
Speaker 2: So if it's not on Friday and people aren't just
tuned in because what else are we going to watch,
then you don't get as many eyeballs on the Magnificent,
the Magnificent spectacle that was the comeback and eight overtime special.
You know, I, you know, I think it's great, and
I may I may be a little salty because I
think the South Unicy Clemson should move their games to
a different date. I completely understand Dabo's position to be
to be fair and not moving it. I can potentially
see a world where, in years to come, the Columbia
version of the Palmeto Bowl is not on Saturday and
the Clemson home games are on Saturdays, just because the
two schools want to want to shake it up a
little bit.
Speaker 5: With that being said, let's move to that game.
Speaker 2: Casey, from a from a Clemson perspective, what was the
emotional roller coaster for you throughout? Let's go throughout the
whole game, because it did get a little super emotionally
roller coastery up and down at the end. But I
was impressed with kay club Nick and he did more
with his legs than I thought he would. But I
was impressed most with Clemson's offensive line, banged up as
they are and even getting some guys back, can't be
one hundred percent really holding their own against South round
defensive front.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think they schemed well. I really do.
I think Garrett Riiley schemed well. I think honestly, there's
four drives in the beginning of the game, first and
second quarter that they had opportunities to score. And when
you're only scoring one time in those four opportunities against
a top fifteen defense, arguably the best defense in the SEC,
I think you have to capitalize on that. And from
the first drive you as a Clemson person, I was
able to cover the game against the Citodol last week
and saw what they did to Clemson on offense with
their little dive play to the tune of two hundred
and fifty five some odd yards. I knew that Sellers
was gonna and you and I talked previously offline about
the running game. I knew that he was going to
be a big factor. I happened to be listening while
I was driving yesterday to Tim Berat, famed sports information
director for Clemson, and he said the key to the
game was keeping sellers at under forty five yards rushing.
I think he multiplied that by six or thereabouts. I'm
not a math guy, so I think, you know, when
the roller coaster, as you speak about, is kind of
the way that I speak to and think. So I'm
sorry that I'm all over the place, but I think
the end of the game, when it got to third
and fifteen, there was a huge piece of me that
was like, what's Shane gonna do on fourth down? You know,
you keep it to third, you keep it to fourth
and thirteen. And I trust the DBS, but I don't
know why or how we didn't spy with Barrett Carter.
He's a Bucket Award finalist, and he didn't show. I mean,
he's great, don't get me wrong, but you figure he's
going to be able to stop and run down sellers.
But I'll be honest, Rob, I in my older days,
I've softened it, definitely softened. They don't affect me as
much as I guess with the little kid too. The
games don't affect me. The losses don't affect me as much.
So I was really impressed. I was impressed with Sellers.
I mean, as petty as this is going to say,
as I say it didn't, it doesn't affect me as much.
It felt like the best team lost to the best
player on the field, the better team. I won't say best,
the better team I thought Clemson. I thought they schemed well,
I thought they played defense really well outside of stopping Sellers.
But yeah, I think that hats off. And I don't
say a lot of nice things about South Carolina ever
on the message board genius podcast, but hats off to
you and the fans. I've heard nothing but positives from
my friends and family that were at the game, from
the opposing fans, the tailgating, I heard everything. And I
hate going to this game. I hate it because it
was so divisive when I was and that's again a nod,
not a true Clemson fan was. I went to every
game from the time I was eighteen to the time
I was thirty eight, so and it just got so
divisive towards the end, and not me, just from stuff
I was seeing. So I vowed, and I haven't been
back in eight ten years. I don't know what the
math is nine years. I'll watch it, obviously, but I've
heard nothing but positives and almost to the point where
it's may push me back to go to Columbia next year.
We'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the most impressive thing for me, I'll
pay you you guys a compliment as well as far
as Clemson goes. Like I said, the offensive line impressed
me with what they were able to do, But I
think the most impressive piece to me was what Antonio
Williams and Westco and Moore were able to do making
big plays catching the ball. You know, the first the
first big one goes to Westcot and Judge Collier has
him strapped and tips the ball and it's just a
phenomenal play to pluck it out.
Speaker 3: Of the air.
Speaker 2: And I just think over and over again, we saw
Clempson's receivers be the aggressor in good coverage, in tight coverage,
but a great throw and an an acrobatic catch beats
perfect coverage every time. And so they were able to
do that and make really big plays down the field.
And in the past several years, the Clemson quarterbacks, whether
it was dj Orcade in several matchups, have been a
relative non factor. It's been the running game where Clemson
has averaged over two hundred and fifty yards a game
against South Carolina running the ball, so they haven't necessarily
needed to throw it all that well. For the past
couple of years. You know, it's been especially low passing yards.
I think that it was ninety nine each of the
past two years with DJ and with Kate, so they
haven't really thrown the ball that well. And that was
something that was impressive. Impressive to me against a pass
rush that typically gets home and against the secondary that
has had their share of takeaways all year, not until
a tipped ball were they able to pick off k
cleb Nick there to steal the game at the end
of it. So really competitive. I think the question for
me as we come out of this and we and
we look at the playoffs and we'll kind of get
more into this in a few minutes is one Clemson.
And I'll quote a diehard Clemson fan that I was
talking to this morning who said, we may just back
our way into a bye week. And I think, you know,
that's certainly on the table South Carolina. It's up for debate.
We'll see what happens. It's all on the committee's hands.
And there's a thousand different angles we can take on
TH's gonna get in.
Speaker 3: We may we may see some some clucking in the
Midlands pulling for the Tigers this weekend, because I think
you know from everything that I've read, the a SEC
is a one a one team league. So if you
can knock SMU out, have South Carolina back door their
way in, you need a Clemson victory this weekend. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I would not be opposed. I would not be opposed
to Clemson victory if that's what it takes. I've seen
mixed reviews on what's gonna happen with absolutely. I've even
seen arguments that Miami is still in. We're gonna get
to that, all right. So a couple of other things
we want to we want to mention here, Craig, as
we look at the SEC, Bama handles their business, wins
by fourteen in the Iron Bowl. That's five straight. Kaitlyn
de Bor gets a little good will back with the
Tide fan base. What do you think, Craig, Just.
Speaker 1: Let Jalen the ball and throw the ball like when
they get too cute is the problem. So Jalen put
it on the ground twice. He threw an interception, but
he ran for over one hundred. It's just lost opportunity.
You know. You look at Alabama. I'm on boldness in
here too. I'm gonna I'm gonna steal your agenda for
a minute, and I'm gonna put Alabama and Old Miss
both in here. They took care of business in their
rivalry games. And both you Oklahoma and you lost to
Kentucky those two fan bases. You don't lose to Oklahoma,
you don't lose the Kentucky. You're fine. You did what
you're supposed to do. Hugh Freeze also, I thought had
to quote the game after that. He's not the kind
of guy who looks at the points on the scoreboard.
Shut up, you better better be better be hoping. You
don't go get John somewhere. All that the planes in
the in the booshot Nuncle, get John. Some are all
in fire his ass because they can.
Speaker 2: I give you a little a callback stat for you. This,
This tells it. This tells it for me. I don't
even no this is from you. I don't even have
to watch it. I don't have to watch it. Mill
Road seventeen carries for one oh four and three touchdowns
on the ground. Yep, Jarquest Hunter thirteen carries ball game?
Speaker 1: What if? What if?
Speaker 5: What if you said, actually, you've beat the drum?
Speaker 2: What do you do if you're Auburn? Give the ball
to jarqust Hunter twenty plus carries? He gets twenty plus carries,
and really good things happen. That it's got to be
we're behind the sticks and we can't give it to him.
Something I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you don't know all of us.
So I'm sure that there's a really good reason why,
and I'm sure that we're just all more on. So
I'm so up.
Speaker 2: Enough enough about that, enough about that. Tennessee punches their
ugly orange ticket and they are They're in, I think
at this point, right, any debate from either of you
after winning against Vandy down seventeen.
Speaker 1: Who losses? You're good?
Speaker 2: All right, So we're clear. So we're gonna see We're
gonna see smoky somewhere in the north. And then and
then lastly, you get it.
Speaker 5: H hook them.
Speaker 2: McConaughey. You were sark arch with a package. They got
it done. It was pretty dominant, you know, honestly, honestly,
I was bored.
Speaker 3: I was I was bored.
Speaker 1: It was boring, But the play of that game was
the defensive end crashing on the fourth and goal of
Texas A and M to close that game from seventeen fourteen.
Something I will not understand either, is you see this
all the time on that dive, the whole line, the
whole line will crash down and then for whatever reason,
they just refuse to block that defensive end. Now, granted,
you need to have a hell of a lot of
speed off that as in order to grab that running back.
My god, is that's so damn impressive And that was
the play of the game for me, My boy, my boy. Arch.
Speaker 2: What do we really think about Texas at this point?
Because they have the weakest schedule in the SEC That's
why they're a wireless team. Let's just let's just call
it what it is.
Speaker 1: Stop no, stop, Okay, listen, I'm done with strength and
schedule and Texas hasn't played anybody.
Speaker 2: You can't be done with strength of schedule. It is
strength of schedule season. We're debating these teams and what
are we going to use?
Speaker 1: I can there has to be a metric because my
team is in the playoffs and yours isn't and that's
that's and that's the sad truth. But listen, Texas has
met every challenge. It's not their fault that Michigan sucks.
But Michigan just went on the road and beat Ohio State.
Texas manhandled Michigan earlier in the season. Texas went into
College Station and took care of business. They destroyed Texas
A and M's offense. I know that Texas A and
M scored more points against Auburn. They also scored more
points against your alleged number one game, Tucks. So stop.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they're not in I'm just saying
they're not impressed as impressive as maybe we're giving them
credit for.
Speaker 1: What do you want?
Speaker 3: Do you want there?
Speaker 2: Clearly there, But.
Speaker 1: Listen, when you're boring like that, that becomes impressive. When
people start start pitching about you being not impressive and
your wins are ugly, that's when your wins are most.
Speaker 2: I want them to be successful. I wanted I picked
them to go twelve and o this year on the spreadsheet,
and then I picked Georgia to upset them in the
SEC Championship game and very well could happen.
Speaker 3: I wanted to see Pole Assassin two back flips on
the sideline. That's what I want to see.
Speaker 1: I asked that question in our chat the other day.
I'm like, every time I see you just things, I
think Pole Assassin and the Monkey, and I'm like, how
good of her recruiter? Are you that you were never
suspended your girlfriend? It's monkey bit a kid.
Speaker 3: All right? Right now?
Speaker 2: It's it's it's okay, it's it's really hard to it's
really hard to not reference Pole Assassin in this situation.
I feel like I feel like it just it deserves
it deserves credit just about every time.
Speaker 5: So hey, so that's where we're at, and we're just
gonna park the.
Speaker 2: SEC discussion until we see what what shakes out next
week with Georgia and Texas. But the bottom line is
they're both in. Craig is repping his team talking about
Georgia and he's throwing the hook him at me. Can
you pick a side? I know that the listeners can't
see us, but can you pick a side?
Speaker 1: Listen? The key for Texas to win is they take
out that statue number three and they put in number
six years and that young man runs. Because what can
Georgia and I do. They cannot deal with a mobile quarterback.
If Queen yours in there, they're gonna pin their ears
back and they have the go after his ass.
Speaker 5: It's hard to beat the team twice.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what I can't move.
Speaker 2: He can move. He moved just fine last night. He
if he if he type roped it down the sideline
and almost took it fifty yards for a touchdown on
a bum ankle. He's not a statue. Give me a break.
Speaker 1: He's not.
Speaker 2: He's not Arch in terms of his ability to run.
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're talking about manning and ability to run.
That's just.
Speaker 1: How impressive. Like again, I'm gonna throw more flowers at
my boy Arch all all all of the accolades and
all of the pressure of being like that number one recruit,
the family heritage, the family lineage.
Speaker 5: And he's and and spot duty.
Speaker 2: He is just really come through in the clutch.
Speaker 1: Hey, you need you need me to come in and
you know.
Speaker 2: What quarterbacks out for a couple of games we handle
Mississippi State. You want me to come in the floor,
be good years, I've got you exactly. The tea bow
to Chris leak Is is really where we're at. That's
that's except for that's a disservice to Quinn because he's
not Gristly.
Speaker 5: He's better than Christly. Give me, give me break, Craig,
all right.
Speaker 3: I heard I heard arch Is transfer into Virginia next year.
Stop it one of I'm just gotta go right.
Speaker 1: What's going to the NFL?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has to be a statue there.
Speaker 5: He is going to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Gonna work.
Speaker 3: Listen, I think what Sellers Giants draft him?
Speaker 1: You know who? I saw a big board Giants, the
Giants drafting s Door Sanders.
Speaker 3: I think that that this isn't an NFL. I have
not watched much NFL, but I think that's going to
be the pick.
Speaker 5: That'll be really interesting. Deanna, New York.
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, so I think your top three quarterbacks
in the SEC next year. This is an all season.
Speaker 3: Take, but.
Speaker 2: Seller's arch probably Lagway. We're looking at pure ability. You
got somebody else in there.
Speaker 1: I thought was gonna be sure is gonna be at
Miami Ohio State.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 5: He's already he's already made.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could be shocked.
Speaker 5: I mean money talks.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think I think I think he's
gonna get some money thrown.
Speaker 2: When if Nico figured out how to hit hit the
side of the building, I'll put him in there.
Speaker 1: Hang on, do you do we do we need to
give our do we need to do like everybody else
and give Billy napieranas for beating another crappy team.
Speaker 2: The story there is malson, but that's not SEC, so
I'm not getting into it. I'll let somebody else cover it.
But it's one hundred.
Speaker 3: A chip move.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, really quick, I got I have a
game for us, boys, have a game for us before
we move on, before we move on to I was wrong,
before we move on to Craigs lines.
Speaker 1: Is this involved that we yell at each other more?
Speaker 2: No, this is just this is a simple guessing game.
I'm gonna read quotes from postgame press conferences yesterday from
SEC coaches. We're gonna go best three out of five?
How many can you guess correctly? You will both get
an opportunity to guess. We're going to go the honor
system here, honor system. So if Casey answers first, and
he says, and he says Kaitlin de Boor, then Craig
you know, don't just steal his answer. I mean, there
may be some strategy if you're up four to three
on the final pick and you don't want to give
it up, but you know, give me your honest guess.
All right, We're good, all right, all right? Quote number one,
This game was probably a lot different than then a
lot of people thought it would be. These guys came
in and played three safeties deep prevent defense.
Speaker 5: I'll read it again.
Speaker 2: Game was probably different than a lot of people thought
it would be. These guys came in and played three
safeties deep prevent defense. Any any takers on which team
went up against a three safety.
Speaker 1: Deep relates, because this is a bad quote.
Speaker 3: If you watched the game. Yeah, I watched this game.
I think is it Lane Kiffin?
Speaker 2: All right, Casey says it's Lane Kiffin. Craig, would you
like to venture guess?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it was Jeff Lovey.
Speaker 2: Casey is correct. It was your boy Lane Kiffin, who
had launched to say in the postgame press conference about
Ole miss No. Well, actually yes, because he stayed away
from it. And if I gave you a Lane Kiffin
quote about the playoff, it would have been extremely obvious.
This was a football quote. Craig. You just said that
you wanted to stop debating it and talking about strength
of schedules, and so I didn't give you that. I
gave you an actual football breakdown, and now you're whining
about that too. Did we have any cheese for him?
Speaker 3: I thought it's coffee in football.
Speaker 2: It is. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be.
All right, up one Kreagan.
Speaker 1: First, Casey and the quarterback through the ball. That's gonna
be the next.
Speaker 2: I don't think we have a personnel issue. We just
need to throw the ball consistently, consistently which coach, which
coach is set with his personnel. I don't think we
have a personnel issue, which need to throw the ball
consistently nor I thought you were locking it in, Craigh.
Speaker 1: This is hard.
Speaker 3: This one is hard.
Speaker 2: That's the point of the game.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: If I was just going to serve you, if I
wanted to give you the easy ones, I would put
players names and.
Speaker 3: I'll I'm gonna say hypel.
Speaker 5: Okay, he says hypel.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Craig, I'll go hype because he
was right in the last one.
Speaker 2: Then all right, so we're sticking together. You're both wrong.
That would be Mike Elko and the losing effort to
Texas thinks that they have the players to go out
and get.
Speaker 5: It done, just didn't throw the ball consistently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A cool getturt by the way on Saturday night.
Speaker 2: Which I think I think is I think is a
fair take because Marcel reads legs can move the ball.
It's just it's just eventually you figure out that's all
they've really got. But number two K Yeah, so we're
still up one o Casey here, all right, this coach commenting,
here's your here's your clue commenting on bowl season. You
have one more guaranteed opportunity. The NFL is not guaranteed
for anybody except for one player.
Speaker 5: On our team name omitted. Not for the rest of us,
not Mark Stoops.
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. So somebody's bowling and his
opinion is on opting out of bowl games.
Speaker 5: You have one more guaranteed opportunity. The NFL is not guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Billy and Napier, Okay.
Speaker 1: Billy Napier, you're gonna say it, clerk Lee.
Speaker 2: You're both wrong again. That would be our man. Eli
drink Witz and the player reference was Luther Burden in
that in that scenario snow game, I stayed away from
snow quotes. I feel like that would have been a
little too easy interesting one for a drink and for once,
as a South Carolina got I was pulling for them
because I need that to remain a ranked win.
Speaker 3: All Right, it doesn't matter if they lost, Missoo will
always be eternally twenty third in the country no matter what.
Speaker 1: The record is. They're twenty third.
Speaker 3: I don't understand they lose the game and stay at
twenty three.
Speaker 5: I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I think I think. I think Sankie's worried. Drink is
going to make fun of him or something. I have
no idea nudes.
Speaker 3: Of them or something.
Speaker 2: All Right, I have an easy one, and I have
a pretty and I have a trick one. Which one
do you want first?
Speaker 1: Is the first three easier?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to give you the easy I'm going
to give you the easier one. I feel like I
may be giving an educ casey, but all right, here's
the quote, short and sweet. No one deserved to lose
that game.
Speaker 3: Oh that's shame.
Speaker 2: Beemerurby Smart, and that is in fact Shane Beemer. However,
it could have easily been Kirby Smart. All right, last one,
last one, I think just for for kicks and giggles,
because I'm pretty sure this is a blowout.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure too.
Speaker 2: That's a big difference in the game. They cashed in
on their drives and we didn't.
Speaker 1: Mark Stoops.
Speaker 2: Clark Lee that one is actually Kirby Smart.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: When speaking of the game and regulation, what happens? Can we.
Speaker 1: Don't have anything to do with the game, Like, can
we play this every week?
Speaker 3: I like that last one?
Speaker 2: I would like I would like to play this. I
would like to plays every week. How Howver, we only
have so many weeks of postgame press conferences left, lady
and gentlemen, this has been the first game postgame pressure presser.
Now to everybody's favorite segment, at the risk of me
really taking over the I was wrong segment, the I
was wrong segment. So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this
out here to you, and then I'm gonna give you
both an opportunity to think while I wax eloquent about
my spreadsheet, what was your biggest take on the season
that was wrong? On the season. So something you said
early on, or maybe in the preseason, or maybe you
didn't even say it, Maybe it was just an opinion,
something that you thought was gonna happen. What was your
biggest I was wrong moment? I love pointing out moments
where I was wrong because it happens so rarely that
our listeners love to hear it. So, of course, as
Craig loves to point out, my spreadsheet done in spring
practice had every game for every sec sc predicted and
then final records predicted. I got just a few highlights
here of things that were really wrong for me. Had
Auburn at nine and three coming into the season, that
was the heck of a miss. Culture down there is
a little hit or miss. I think that they got
a little bit of their mojo back when they were
able to beat Texas A and M and really go
in strong against Alabama. It seemed like maybe Freeze he
just looked a little looser these past two weeks than
he has in weeks past. Still a lot of question
marks for me on what happens moving forward, but the
recruiting class looks great, and as we all know, early
signing period is really moves up and so we'll see
what happens there just a couple of days away. At
this point from the early signing period, had Auburn at
nine and three, they finished five and seven. On the
flip side, had Florida at two and ten, was not
a believer in the Gators. What I thought would happen
is that midway through the season they would just quit.
And credit to Billion Napier, here's your here's your moment,
Craig where we throw the flowers. He kept them together
and he really he really kept the locker room willing
to fight and play for him whether they were a
good team or not. They do have talent on the
roster and they play hard. As much as that just
seems to be like a participation trophy type of statement,
they play really hard. And I think that what sets
Napier apart from past coaches at Florida, and I've advocated
for a couple of years now they should have just
kept Dan Mullett. However, what sets Napier apart is that
these teams have not quit. So that's kind of my
two really really big ones that I would say I
was wrong thought Auburn would be a good team. I
believed in Peyton Thorn a little bit too much, as
did Hugh Freeze. And we know this is I was wrong.
This is I was wrong, this is not I was right.
So this is a moment to tell us where you
messed up. Craig, Florida and Auburn my two biggest You're infallible.
Speaker 1: But do you want to go before me?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm the worst at we do hot takes before
the season starts on the MBG Show, and I was
zero for three, well, maybe one for four, I don't know.
I had Dabo saying something stupid this year. He really didn't,
so I was kind of disappointed there. I had Spencer
Petrice winning being in the Heisman conversation at Utah State.
He was not. I had Virginia winning his game, winning
as many games as they lost, they ended up five
and seven. I was close there. And I had Alabama
making the playoff, which.
Speaker 2: To be determined.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was wrong three of my four. Hopefully
I'm four for four with.
Speaker 2: Greg is beating this. Alabama drone so hard just to
get under my skin and we don't even know.
Speaker 1: And you also against against South Calle.
Speaker 2: I don't think you believe it. Let's look at the
last six weeks of the season, Craig and tell me
which team has a strong resume.
Speaker 1: All right, I was wrong about Old Miss, and it
breaks my heart. I thought this was the year for
Lane twelve to fifteen million dollars spent by the Grove
Collective in order to get them to the playoff. Again,
you lose to a bad Florida team, regardless of what
Rob has said about billion Napier, and you lose to
Kentucky on a bomb late in the fourth quarter, and
then you give up the lead to LSU on the
first possession they have in overtime and you lose the game.
You talk about margins for error, it's Old Miss. Other
part where I may have been wrong Alabamagan ninth. I
think I had ten and two again I the Oklahoma loss.
I'm still trying to figure out what team that was,
how's that happened? And if Georgia hosts Alabama and Athens
for that seven to nine matchup, whatever that may be.
My god, can you imagine the ratings. I would love
to see that that Alabama team that showed up normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you did have them at ten and two.
The records that I got correct just just as we transition.
Speaker 1: I was wrong.
Speaker 2: It was it was when we closed that segment, and
now we're segueing over. Okay, so I'm giving you time
to get your bedding lines ready because that's where we're
going next for champs Championship weekend. What's out. I'm not
sure that's your job, mister lines.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: I had Alabama right at nine and three. I was
correct there as we moved our way down. I had
Oklahoma correct at six and six and uh. Those were
the only two that I nailed on the head. So
interesting that that game turns out to be one that
makes a huge difference in how the season plays out,
and I had those two teams pegged. I did not
pick that game correctly in the preseason, however, So a
couple of teams that were really close. I had, uh,
Tennessee at eleven and one. There ten and two, had
Texas at twelve and oh, they're eleven and one. I
had Missouri at ten and two. They're nine and three.
I had Georgia at eleven and one. They're ten and two.
So few schools there was.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, absolutely, that schedule.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about strinths of schedules is not allowed
on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Ok.
Speaker 2: Sorry, We're gonna have to move on from that point.
Speaker 5: You're about as in consistent as the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That was your golden opportunity. Drink, I think would work
an too, just like drink would work at Florida. I
think drink works at Auburn too, because it's.
Speaker 3: Some of the water. While you're talking about drink, right.
Speaker 1: It's that, it's that whatever it is. All right, let's
talk to about something that matters besides Rob being right.
Let's talk about conference change that well, okay, the conference
championship games that I think are interesting first and foremost.
I don't care who wins this game Jacksonville Jacksonville State
versus Western Kentucky. Here's why it's important. I am interested.
Wes Neil Brown and West Virginia decided to part ways. Today.
Everybody's talking about Jimbo Fisher. Yeah, I think. I think
at the end of the day, I think rich Rod
returns home and gives them five five, five six good
years to get some setback up to to where they're
going to be. I think, I think I think that
that that's a smart move. I think Jimbo Fisher is
done that. I think West Virginia would involve a lot
of work, and I don't think that's in Jimbo's vocabulary.
Speaker 2: That's a preview if I was wrong coming up, I
think Jimbo's coming going to Morgantown.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna work?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think he's bored.
Speaker 1: Hot. Takes Casey anything on that one?
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: You know what, you know what? You know. What Casey
really just needs to do on that one is monitor
that message board because regardless they just fired a coach,
and firing and coach and hiring your coaches is prime time.
Speaker 3: For the boards. Well, I'm watching tail numbers interest.
Speaker 1: That's a call. We'll move on from that one. UNLV
Boise state, to me, this is gonna be the biggest
one for playoff implications outside of the power floor. Absolutely,
this was a great game back a Friday, in a
game regular season. I think Burry Oldham gets some second
time around knocks.
Speaker 5: Off boys estate is Bury owed him on the move.
Speaker 1: Not if he wins.
Speaker 5: Okay, what's the line?
Speaker 1: Boise by three and a half, Gentry is gonna run
for forty more carries and two hundred and eighty yards.
That guy is a machine. He's like Travis Hunter but
just runs the ball all the time, but just better. Better.
Here you go.
Speaker 2: I actually agree, however, to Craig's point about, you know,
narratives and money and ratings and all that. On Friday
during game action both players playing in the same window.
I got it. I got a notification from the Four
Letter Network letting me know of all of Travis Hunter's stats. Meanwhile,
Ashon genty goes six point one yards per carry in
two twenty six and a touchdown and I received nothing
to let me know that that had happened. Interesting mm hmm, okay.
Speaker 1: In the weirdest power for Championship, is there two more
two different schools than Iowa State and Arizona State playing
like you think about those two campuses. I mean that
is like day and night, not.
Speaker 2: Literally.
Speaker 1: Arizona State's getting two and a half in that one.
Speaker 2: I like it. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Billing Ham, I love I love everything.
Speaker 2: They're just hot, man. They run it. They run it
really well, and that's gonna that's gonna bud well for
them in anything they do.
Speaker 1: He's he's in a lump from Arizona State, He's got
around quick. I think he was picked towards the bottom
of the Big.
Speaker 2: Twelve this year, maybe the bottom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was right right there at the bottom.
Does North Carolina throw money?
Speaker 3: His name is gonna show up?
Speaker 1: Is there is there an SEC school? Is there a
Columbus school that might say.
Speaker 2: The SEC is gonna have one opening in Kentucky and
they're gonna get somewhere else, so the SEC is wrapped.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Dialing Dillingham's I think one to watch.
It'd be interesting to see if what that passion is
like in the I was wrong statement. I totally thought
thought that Indiana was playing Oregon. I continually forget and
disregarding Penn State.
Speaker 5: And just yeah, I kind of made that mistake myself.
Speaker 1: Like all it's like every time I have these conversations,
they just they they're they're constantly just not not not there.
There're somehow eleven and one this year?
Speaker 2: What's that line?
Speaker 1: Three and a half Oregon three and a half.
Speaker 3: The James Franklin factors be at least like five more points.
Speaker 2: Give it to me. I would have said five and
a half at least are we serious with that.
Speaker 1: So, so here's my question. Then let's just say it's
chalk Landing gets a cigar Landing wins, You're gonna have.
Speaker 2: Which will be the ultimate I was right moment, Just
so we know, because on this podcast for like a
year ago, I've called him what big four big.
Speaker 1: Champion Dan Lanning, Indiana will be eleven and one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna carry that one on my shoulder if he
wins that game. That's been a year in the making.
Speaker 1: You know, I have the power of YouTube, right, go
for it. So, like I guess four big ten teams
in the playoffs. I think that that that that's a
bigger question. Yeah, Indiana's gonna be eleven and one, Penn
State will be eleven and two or House State will
be eleven and two. Of those three, Indiana probably gets
a home game. Maybe like who like like like of
those three, who gets a home game? Is it two
of three? Is it one of three?
Speaker 2: It could be two. I don't think it's Ohio State.
It can't be. It shouldn't be. Not At this point,
you can't lose the six and six and not fall
out of that, not not fall down to eight range. Yes,
as a three touchdown favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I boss brutal.
Speaker 2: That is not That is not the only driving factor here.
There's some integrity left in this process. Maybe not a lot,
but some.
Speaker 3: We gotta hope something.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I can see a way out in
the Happy Valley.
Speaker 5: They don't want to go to Bloomington, but I think
they're gonna have to.
Speaker 3: No, Penn State Apple.
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about I'm talking about the playoff committee.
ESPN does not want a game in Blimington, but I think,
can we.
Speaker 1: Do this then? Like if Penn State gets gets a
home game, can we have Ohio State going and just
ruin their season?
Speaker 3: Again, It's possible they don't get out of the first round.
I don't care who they play. I put my Tigers
up against them, I really would. And I know that
defense is good, but I feel like we played the
best defense.
Speaker 1: That fullback they have, that h back full back, that
kid is the the kids impressive. Other than that, I.
Speaker 3: Talk about not hitting the broadside of a barn. Yeah,
I just quarterback.
Speaker 1: But we think all four are gonna make it.
Speaker 3: I do, I do too, God, that's disheartening. I hate
watching the Big ten.
Speaker 1: So I don't even watch Fox for that reason. So
here's my question. That's why lanning one of many reasons.
That's another show.
Speaker 2: All right, on the rails, on the rails, next championship game, No,
I have a question.
Speaker 1: Okay, if Landing and in the Ducks drop a bomb
in Penn State, how big? How big does it have
to be for them not to make it?
Speaker 2: I think they're in ward. Manuel has already said we
do not want to punish conference championship game losers. Now
we can especially reserve that statement for the big ten
in the SEC. I think I think it gets a
little dicey when we're talking about the ACC loser and
definitely the big definitely the Big twelve loser, because they're
gonna be a three loss Big twelve loser.
Speaker 3: Like Clemson's winning in, but they're not in. If they lose.
Speaker 1: At SMU minus two and a half.
Speaker 2: And I'm taking Clemson, it's.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're still discounting SMU as a group
of five teams. I feel like the national media is
doing it right.
Speaker 2: God to show me.
Speaker 1: They've been impressive, Like against two, they've they they've taken
care of business.
Speaker 5: I mean against two. Give me an opponent.
Speaker 1: There, ACC schedule. They've been impressive.
Speaker 5: Against Virginia Sorry as Boston College.
Speaker 2: I'll give you Pitt listen.
Speaker 1: I think they're winning the ACC championship. Pitt it it's weird.
Speaker 3: They're very weird.
Speaker 1: Pitt has that like.
Speaker 3: It's the top twenty defense too liked.
Speaker 1: But you can coach regardless of the fact whatever of
rob of I was wrong, I was right. Whatever it is,
they're a group of five roster that went to that
moved up. And you look at the Big twelve last year, Cincinnati, Houston,
U c F B YU, there's one other one. Huh,
that's it, right, I think I think, I think Memphis
State in the a C. But but here's the deal.
You look at all four of those teams when they
went up to the Big twelve, none of them had
a winning record last year. Said look, hang on, hang on,
hang on, hang on. I'll get your point. I'll get you,
I'll get you your flowers s m U moves up.
They bet on themselves, they take no money, and and
then they go and take the ACC's money. They go
seven and oh one conference. They take care of business.
They have They have an early loss to BYU, which
looks suspect back when that happened, then they're like, okay,
BYU's good team. Not a great team, but a good team.
So like, I think we have to be careful here. Yes,
they did not play an SEC schedule. Sure they didn't
play the top twenty five teams. You look at the ACC,
I think, what do you have twelve Casey, I think
probably made a Bowl this year, so you had a
lot of it's gonna take. But what you have at
the end of the day, with a lot of parody,
You've got teams that are very similar and the Big
twelve you've had that as well. But yet SMU has
been able to rise above that. And here's the deal.
It's easy to fall flat or come out and come
out and not come correct and lose. And all they
did was they kept winning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had Louisville earlier in the season when Louisville
was hot, and so with them and beat them. They
were ranked relatively highly at the time. I don't like
the this is their shot to anybody, but I don't
like the who they play thing, because you can't just
go in and hope. You have to hope the teams
you're playing are good, Right, like there's nothing that and
this probably is pent up from twenty fifteen or twenty fifteen,
twenty eighteen, twenty sixteen, when Clemson was dominant and beating
the greatest Alabama team in the history of the ultra
Verse by four touchdowns in Santa Clara. But like, who'd
they play? I just I and maybe as an ACC
or a non SEC fan, I am a little more
hurt by it. Hurt's not the right word, but that's
my stick, right. But it's like you can't just like
why is it Clemson's fault? The Boston College sucked in
twenty fifteen, you know, like their college. They can recruit too,
SMU can't change their schedule like they came into the
league they got they at the schedule they got out
of conferences made like we're scheduling Oklahoma State twenty thirty five,
twenty thirty six. It's like, but they could, I'll be there.
I'll be in there. Yeah, probably he can. He shouldn't
be after this year, though, But anyway, that's my soapbox.
It's hard. It's hard. It's easy for SEC people and
this is an SEC podcast to say who they play,
because ninety nine times out of one hundred, the SEC
teams are good.
Speaker 1: The one the bigger argument I have is from the
ACC's perspective was Miami, Like Miami was constantly the cardiac kids.
They needed like last minutes, they needed heroics one hundred
percent right, Like they have the money. And here's the
funniest thing. Rob was still in diapers. But Casey and
I remember when Miami used to be very good and
they dominated the Big East and they moved the ace
he's seen in two thousand and four. We're like, oh cool,
they're gonna roll, They're ready to go.
Speaker 2: They've never won it.
Speaker 1: They've never won it. It's just I mean, it's just
like you think back to the Big East again, Robert,
you were in Dyck, Virginia. You don't remember this, but
like those games against Pitt, those games against Rutgers, those
games against West Virginia, like the Big East used to
be so much fun. That was like Thursday night football
and the U was like everything and they just go
crystal ball and all over the place. Yet, but yet
you look at the ratings this year, and the rankings
from the committee never cross their mind.
Speaker 5: They were fascinated with cam Ward and that's just it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: We said it with Tony on the first Ranking show.
Speaker 2: When Ward Manuel said I test, I test, I test,
I tests. What he meant was we like big offensive plays.
That's I tests. The I test not refer to defense
at all. Yep, because every time he says I test,
they're talking about somebody's prolific offense.
Speaker 5: One thing, and then you have to you have another line.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: But Casey, you're correct that SMU cannot control their schedule
and it's not their fault that the teams they play suck.
But the flip side of that coin is it's not
George's fault that everybody on their schedule is good either,
And so you can't control that your schedule is terrible,
but you can't control your schedule is really good. And
you can't be punished in the same way. If you're
not punished for beating the teams you're supposed to beat,
you can't be punished for dropping a couple when you
when you're going eight in a row against quality component
quality opponent.
Speaker 3: I'll just tell you they're not gonna leave because of
Florida State last year. I just don't think that's just
bad press. Again, if they well, if SMU wins, it
doesn't matter. I just think that I don't know. We
don't know, you know. That's the thing that we do know,
is that we don't know what this committee is going
to do. Well.
Speaker 2: It's very inconsistent just the way, just the way I
talked about it. We don't have a set criteria. I'm
gonna get to that set box and just just a
second as we close.
Speaker 5: But Craig sec line is that what's left?
Speaker 1: Yep So four o'clock Saturday, Atlanta. Georgia will make its
seventh trip to Atlanta in eight years, twelve, I believe
in the twenty three years in the pan. It's impressive, man.
I mean, it's not bad. Be nice if they win.
But here's the deal. You don't know why Georgia's got
the best she has to win. They're not playing save
in Alabama. They're okay as long as it's not them.
And I guess Joe Burrow, ooh, that could be a
preview what could happen. There's what could happen if Georgia
doesn't come out Number twenty nineteen. Joe Burrow just dropped
a bomb on them and number remember the little one
was like six weeks old or something like that, sitting
there watching it, just like, oh, this is not good.
Texas is favored by two and a half.
Speaker 6: Wow, I'm shocked by that. Yep, I'm shocked by that.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. We're giving them too much credit.
I get it that Georgia has looked suspect. I think
we're giving credit. Have you seen georg giving Texas. We're
giving Texas too much credit. This game is in the
state of Georgia, and we know and george has already
beat them by two scores. I get it. Like you,
you look at them down the stretch, one team looks
better than the other. It's it doesn't look like the
same matchup that we got in Austin, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: But when they spot the ball, same athletes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is Georgia. I had to google it. Georgia
is five and five at Mercedes Benz. It's not the
homefield advantage, we think.
Speaker 3: No, but they'll have a ton of fans and Texas
will travel too. But it'll be sixty forty.
Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be sixty forty. But like they've got
to come from there five.
Speaker 2: And the bench because they played massive games there. It's
not like it's not like they're playing, but there.
Speaker 1: I was there in twenty eighteen when when when Jalen
came off the bench to replace Tua and we decided
to run a fake punt with Justin Fields. I was there.
I get it with an amazing facility that that to
me was the pinnacle of any game that I've ever watched.
But like, at the end of the day, if Quinn stays,
stays in the pocket, Schumann is going to blitz the
hell out of out of Texas. And I literally think
he's gonna put his corners on an island and he's
going to basically be ken be your can you know
Smill smell Monday and you know, Michael Williams. Can they
get Can they get to Quinn before you get that
ball off? That to me is going to be the key.
It's going to be can they sack Quinn? And then
on the offensive staff, Carson Beck has not throw an
interception about three or four games and George Georgia has won.
If Beck avoids interceptions, avoids turning it over, then they
have a chance. If Back throws one or multiple interceptions,
Texas could win this game. Going away, all right, The
question becomes, there's your preview at nine and three? Yeah,
I think it would be yet nine and three, maybe
ten three, ten and three. Math is not my strong suit.
Would Georgia still make it? Yes?
Speaker 3: I was told there would be no math here today hoping.
Speaker 1: I think both those teams are are.
Speaker 2: I think it's that you say the same thing about
a big ten. I think your question. I think your
big big twelve loser is out and your ACC loser,
if it's NMU, is the giant question mark when it
comes to playoffs. And this is a beautiful segue. My
top twelve are as follows Oregon, Texas, Penn State, Indiana,
Georgia at five, six, Notre Dame, who we have not
talked about it at all, Tennessee at seven, Highest State
at eight, SMU at nine, Boise at ten, Arizona State eleven,
and the Homer pick South Colina at twelve. You can interchange,
we could sit here, we could talk for another two
hours on this debate.
Speaker 5: Interchange the twelve.
Speaker 2: Seed there or if it ends up being the eleven
Arizona A twelve, however that's going to go for Alabama
or for miss or for UH switch Clemson out with
SMU after next week and then put SMU in that
eleven or twelve spot. You tell me how it's gonna
shake out. But what do we agree with? What doll
we not disagree with? As I have it currently sitting
here again, we have the four Big ten teams and
then we also have four SEC teams Texas, Georgia, Tennessee
and a three loss SEC team which I have South
Carolina in Boise, Arizona State ACC champ the biggest one Saturday.
Speaker 1: If you look at this weekend where it matters most,
it's a Big ten championship game. As we're just talking
about proceeding. What does Penn State do? And then you're
in and then it's the a SEC championship game that's huge.
What like if Clemson wins like that's when you have
the like that that that that's where the competition is.
Is that that fourth SEC team Alabama, South Carolina, Old
Miss insert one of those three there versus A eleven
and two s m U or eleven and two Penn
State bay See.
Speaker 3: It's there's just too much. I'm just trying to think,
like if if Penn State beats Oregon, who's then number
one Texas beats Georgia, Texas goes back to number one,
So I think it's I'm stuck there.
Speaker 1: I think, can you imagine James Franklin having the number
one seed?
Speaker 3: But then why I love this conversation the second week.
I love this conversation so much because that's how crazy
and fun this year's been. Absolutely, it really has because
we have no idea, Like, literally, I couldn't get to
number two if Penn State beats number one like I have.
Speaker 1: Look, so so here's here's here's the question. Does that happen? Right?
If we say, if we go frontrol to sixteen, does
it make it even more fun or does that start?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Do you think twelve is the sweet spot where like
we're going to have at least three to four fan
bases that are pissed off.
Speaker 3: I always talk about college basketball. Sixty nine is always
pissed off, you know, which I think is actually really
a lot of fun. So I don't care what the
number is. That's my point. I don't care what the
number is. Someone is going to be unhappy.
Speaker 1: Made the last two weeks more important, hasn't it though?
Speaker 2: However? Absolutely, Well, let's solve the problem. Let's solve the problem.
We can solve the problem. The SEC and the Big
Ten inevitably are going to break off. That seems to
be the line of thought that this is gonna happen
one way or another, whether it happens in two years,
what happens in ten years, just it's the trajectory that
we're moving on. When they do that, let's say call
back to a previous episode, they bump this to a
forty team super league with the two combined. So in
that scenario, Casey I would definitely say Clemson is in.
Whether it's Big Ten or whether it's SEC, I'm not sure,
but you're gonna come in on one side or the other.
And at that point, it's a conference. It's an NFL model.
It's a Big Ten versus SEC, it's a North versus South,
it's an East versus West. However you want to line
it up, whatever you want to call the two conferences,
you're gonna have clear rules and matchups within your divisions
and tie breakers where we never again have this debate
because you don't need a committee to decide who's making
the playoffs, because you're just going to an NFL model.
I made the point earlier on X or Twitter or
whatever we're calling it. Now that the conference championship games
in the Big twelve, for example, four teams are eleven
and two. You think the Colorado people don't think that
they deserve to be in the conference championship game? Sure
they do? Are they are they talking about? What about
BYU the front runner in the conference all year and
now they're not? And now they're not? There is anybody
talking about it? Is anybody debating who should be in
the Big twelve championship game? No, because there is a
clear cut mathematical formula that tells us not based on
a computer. It's not like all these metrics put together.
It's because the conference is small enough that we can say,
here are the tie breakers, and this is what's going
to determine who's going into the game. And it eliminates
It may be eliminate some fun for fan bases that
aren't involved in the arguments, but I think that it
does give us something. It does give us a clear
cut product in terms of we know we're getting the
teams that quote unquote deserve to be there.
Speaker 1: It does, But like I think it's easier to stay
in a podcast, we're going to forty than in what
reality would actually look like of doing. There's a lot
of things, but if we if we take a look,
I guarantee you in Dustin and SEC media days, there's
going to be two conversations that are going to be
top of my first and foremost. If the SEC only
gets three teams, there's gonna be no conversation of going
to nine games, which is total bs. They should have
the nine games schedule, but if like they're already getting
screwed over at eight, they're for sure as how, I'm
not going to go to nine. But two is.
Speaker 2: That where I was wrong? Uh follow up is that like.
Speaker 1: As not, I think you play the best and you
do that, you know you look at the SEC does
have the best nine conference record out of any the
group before. Sure there's been there's been some other things
of that nature. But like the other one is, this
is why I don't want Tony Pettiti and Greg Zankie
to say I need automatic three or four automatic bids.
Let like I really have the opinion, keep those top five,
go to sixteen, make those all at large. Don't lock
in anybody else besides your five conference champions and just
go make it a full free for all and let's.
Speaker 3: Go like it.
Speaker 2: Why do we need five conference champions locked?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 5: Why do we need five conference champions locked?
Speaker 1: Because? I think it saves you from lawsuits. I think
that I've heard I've heard the legality question in our
writer chet and in others chats from guys who are
way smarter than me that have juris Doctorate after their names,
that keep talking about potential lawsuits and things of that nature,
with equitable access things of that nature. So to me,
you do the five. It gives everyone an opportunity. It
also creates this rant race between everybody outside of the
Big ten in the a SEC. You saw that with
the Big twelve, even saw that to a point of
the ACC where they thought the AAC and the mountain
was coming for him.
Speaker 3: It's done. We've fixed it.
Speaker 2: Boom theoretically, and this will lead to our off season,
off season episode where we go back to the drawing
board and try to figure out who those forty are,
which we did last year. But I think we did
it with didn't we do it with like sixty four?
Did we do a sixty four team?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just gonna We're just gonna make it a
sixteen team playoff, and it's gonna be so much easier
because then we don't have to change anything.
Speaker 2: We we.
Speaker 5: But you're still gonna have all this human error with
this with the committee.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem
with the committee model. If we actually get people that
watch football games. These fools do not watch the football games.
You cannot tell me that they're watching all the games.
They're absolutely not. They're being driven by somebody else's narratives.
They're watching some short highlight clips. We have no idea
what the process is. We don't know if they're all
coming in and they're they're just debating it like jury
in a courtroom style.
Speaker 1: We don't know if they're slate it's a tabula aurosa
every every week.
Speaker 2: Well that's bs. They can try to sell that all
they want to are They coming in and they're just
and they're all turning in ballots and they just average
it up and put them in Like, no, they're not
held accountable.
Speaker 1: Want to be on a committee that can get they don't.
Speaker 2: Have to answer questions. They're not watching games. The country
is not equally represented in terms of conferences on the
committee by any stretch. Give me, give me one factor
that says this that this committee model is is a
fair model to get the best and most deserving teams
in the playoff. You can't give me one.
Speaker 3: There's not one. I always left when it was like
Dan Radikovich had to recuse himself from the from the.
Speaker 2: Committee joke too, right, that's what.
Speaker 3: Other people on the committee weren't buddies with Dan radik Coovich.
Speaker 2: Right or like yeah, like they didn't definitely didn't talk
about it before and after he stepped out of the root.
Speaker 1: You got to me, it's like you start with data,
you go ai to to to to make that data
makes sense right, and then you have a human element
at the end to kind of deride.
Speaker 2: That's what March Madness does. And there is a sixty
nine team who's upset, but it's not to this level.
It's just not. I think that we can take a
lot from the March Madness selection process and apply it to.
Speaker 1: The situation the four quaterns. You could.
Speaker 2: I think that I think that's absolutely needs to come
into play. I saw Mike Morgan a ESPN actually pointed
out on the those show I was watching last week
that when they put the stats up on Tuesday night,
they had all these different things. You know, who your
best wins are, what your strings of schedule is, what's
the one thing that was missing that's always president in
March bad losses, we're not gonna talk about who people
lost to. I don't know why that is Old Miss
loss to Kentucky and they are so upset that we
keep talking about that. But you can't lose to four
and eight teams and we're just going to gloss over it.
Speaker 3: If only you weren't gifted of fumble inside the twenty
and week one against Old Dominion, we wouldn't even be
talking about South Carolina.
Speaker 2: It's fair, it's fair. But I will maintain one as
we shut it down today, boys, I will maintain South
cambin as a two loss team by committee standards, because
if a key player is absent from the game, then
apparently all thirteen of your wins don't don't count. So surely,
if you're greatest player in your quarterback is out for
over half of the game and a loss, that loss
also doesn't count. So the LSU game we could toss
and the South Carolina is just a nine to two team.
Two loss put them in.
Speaker 1: But also schedule, ancoring and old dominion your non conference
go ahead.
Speaker 2: You can keep making that joke because that never happens.
Speaking of the Bends, we have an ACC opponent lined
up to start the season next year and to finish it.
So I'll meet you in Atlanta for us to take
on the Hokies next year's kick off Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 1: ACC late at best.
Speaker 2: That game has been scheduled for eight years.
Speaker 3: Like what do you do about it? You can't do
anything about it. You thought maybe they would bounce back.
Speaker 1: Beam revole the Beamber Bowl.
Speaker 2: All right, last word, last word As a nod to
a last word on college football.
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons thinks this podcast has gone long.
Speaker 5: Really quick, roundtable SEC Coach of the Year.
Speaker 2: That's our last word, and it is a last word
because we are probably a little over. But you know
Itice what it is. It's that time of beer boys.
There's a lot to be said.
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisian, I would give me a break.
Speaker 5: You can make an argument for Shanember, you can make
an argument for Clark Lee.
Speaker 2: I think it's absolutely lazy if we just give it
to the guy who won the most games.
Speaker 1: I'm not making the argument for it because it's not
the most games. I'm making the argument that he Revam.
Speaker 2: You're saying, are you saying he deserves it? You think
saying that he's going to get it. Those are two
different questions.
Speaker 1: And saying if I had a vote, because you asked
me who the SEC Coach of the Year was, it's
Steve Cirkishan.
Speaker 2: All right, you heard it here first, Craig says, hook him,
even though he's we're in.
Speaker 3: The g.
Speaker 1: To actually go hop tonight, I will.
Speaker 2: I think you can make the argument for Shane Beemer.
Casey I agree, like I said, I think you can
make the argument for clark Lee.
Speaker 3: I think through six weeks it was clark Lee. But
I think if the whole season, I think I think
Seen did the best job with what he had.
Speaker 1: Herby's far the schedule.
Speaker 2: He did, and you can make that argument as well.
There was a point in time where you can really
make the Elco argument.
Speaker 1: Billy because he persevered.
Speaker 2: I mean, somebody's gonna say Billionnaper is gonna get votes
because of seven and five and that schedule, because the
narrative to start the year was if they go seven
and five, this is an incredible They could be a
tight top fifteen team.
Speaker 5: And go seven and five, which is true with the
schedule that they had.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see where it checks out again. Please
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wouldn't want to.
Speaker 3: We'll wait till we get offline, you know, trying to
help get ratings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. We love We love it, Craig.
We hope you have a wonderful week leading up to
one more trip to Atlanta for the dogs. We'll see if.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts are correct, what could go wrong?
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back next week to wrap up champ weekend and look
forward to that final college football playoff ranking show.
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