Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy
Speaker 2: of the cult is one of the things that turned
Speaker 2: me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,
Speaker 2: it turned and looked at us.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 3: the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 3: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 3: for me. And he begins to tell them that he
Speaker 3: saw a UFO.
Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 3: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 3: and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,
Speaker 3: noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye
Speaker 3: contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back
Speaker 3: to tenfoil Teals. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be joined by my guest, Carissa. Chris is
Speaker 3: a comic book writer that dives into a lot of
Speaker 3: cryptids in one of the series that she's been writing.
Speaker 3: It's a little different than what we normally talk about here,
Speaker 3: but it is cryptid related. Chris also had a experience
Speaker 3: once with a shadow person, so we talk a little
Speaker 3: bit about that. But before we bring her on, you've
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Speaker 3: going to go ahead now and dive into the conversation
Speaker 3: with Carissa, so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.
Speaker 3: I'd like to take this time and welcome my guest tonight, Carissa.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Before we dive into anything, I usually ask the guest
Speaker 3: a little bit about themselves. But before I do that,
Speaker 3: I have to point out one thing. Your name is
Speaker 3: the exact name of my daughter's, same spelling, and that's
Speaker 3: what really caught my attention. The first time that I've
Speaker 3: never seen anyone else have their name of Carissa spelled
Speaker 3: the same way. I've seen it with a C, ch
Speaker 3: and A, but I'm never just a co r. So
Speaker 3: you're the first besides my daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, apparently I was supposed to be a Jennifer
Speaker 2: and my mom heard the name on a commercial and
Speaker 2: here we are, so she probably didn't even know how
Speaker 2: to spell it. But yeah, I always see the C
Speaker 2: A or the cl or kal. Yeah. No, I haven't
Speaker 2: seen another Chris. So, yeah, that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I saw your name. It's just like, oh boy.
Speaker 2: Apparently it used to me. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: it used to me mean a maidenly lady and in Greek,
Speaker 2: which I am not. I am not Greek, so as.
Speaker 3: Far as I know, I'm not either.
Speaker 2: I'm an Italian.
Speaker 3: Apparently I've I've got apparently royalty blood lines from I
Speaker 3: think my dad told me from Dutch and part of England,
Speaker 3: and I've also got some Native American I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it was Cherokee, but i'moune hundred percent sure.
Speaker 3: I don't do any of that blood stuff because I
Speaker 3: think you're still in my DNA.
Speaker 2: I my dad swears that we have royalty in hungry,
Speaker 2: I think, which is weird because as far as I know,
Speaker 2: we have no interesting but he's set on that, so
Speaker 2: it could be like twenty thousand years ago, I have anything.
Speaker 2: But my parents argue because technically I've always been told
Speaker 2: I was Italian or one hundred percent Italian. However, my
Speaker 2: mom is one hundred percent Sicilian and my father is
Speaker 2: one hundred percent Northern Italian. So Sicilians, for some reason
Speaker 2: or some of them, call themselves Italian, which again technically
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense because they're in Sicily. But Italians will
Speaker 2: never call a Sicilian Italian, so they thought about that,
Speaker 2: so apparently I'm half in him a Sicilian halftime, This
Speaker 2: depends who you ask. And out of all things they
Speaker 2: argued about this into Oliveyard, of.
Speaker 3: All places, at.
Speaker 2: Least Italian Italian place.
Speaker 3: Ever, So to be one hundred percent honest, I thought
Speaker 3: Sicily and Italy were right beside each other.
Speaker 2: Anyways, they are they are, and like I said, Sicilians
Speaker 2: generally call themselves part of Italy, but apparently Italians do
Speaker 2: not call. I don't know why I always consider them
Speaker 2: the same thing, but I guess when you wind up
Speaker 2: saying Sicily Sicilian I guess you could see their tw
Speaker 2: different places, but I always thought it was the same thing.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't until like literally like two years ago,
Speaker 2: they were like, well, would that make you half Sicilian?
Speaker 2: I was like, I just consider myself a time. So,
Speaker 2: but I know this is the difference because my when
Speaker 2: my mother would go date my father, she's really young.
Speaker 2: My dad's mother would invite other girls over to succeed
Speaker 2: before my mom, so she did not want him dating
Speaker 2: a Sicilian. So apparently there is controversy there. But anyway,
Speaker 2: that wasn't why I'm on the show talk about my heritage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ten foil tales. We talk about a lot of
Speaker 3: weird stuff that isn't always the weird stuff that we.
Speaker 2: Talk about Weird's good, man.
Speaker 3: Well, would you like to let the audience know a
Speaker 3: little bit more about yourself of why you're here and
Speaker 3: what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2: Sure. My name is Cursa Grant. I am the writer
Speaker 2: and creator of Worthy Chaos Comics. I started writing with
Speaker 2: a co writer four years ago and now we have
Speaker 2: over I think it's sixteen novels finished and which equals
Speaker 2: out to be about one hundred and twenty two issues.
Speaker 2: About that much. It was not intentional, but after writing
Speaker 2: about five novels, I was like, huh, I should probably
Speaker 2: do something with this. Now. I am an amazing storyteller,
Speaker 2: but I am a horrible writer, so is the best
Speaker 2: thing for me? Fortunately it's a visual, a visual storytelling,
Speaker 2: which wound up being perfect for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I am dyslexic and I never ever in a
Speaker 2: million years ever thought of writing in my entire life,
Speaker 2: but apparently I'm pretty good at it. So here we
Speaker 2: are and I am Generally our story is pretty much
Speaker 2: a supernatural horror adventure. We have two series out now.
Speaker 2: Redemption is up to issue thirteen, coming out February seventeenth,
Speaker 2: But what I'm mostly promoting on this show is January sixth,
Speaker 2: which I think you're going to if anyone's watches is
Speaker 2: probably already January seventh, so it's probably live, hopefully on Kickstarter,
Speaker 2: but it's going live, and it's a supernatural western set
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty seven. And my two main characters, uh
Speaker 2: Sarafina is an angel descendant and Draven is a demon descendant,
Speaker 2: and I like to they are have to track down
Speaker 2: Kryptids Bigfoot when Diego chipocabres, pretty much any you can
Speaker 2: think of.
Speaker 3: We have.
Speaker 2: Ones that are very well known and ones that aren't
Speaker 2: known pretty much at all, like the squank, which is
Speaker 2: one of my favorite. For anyone has another squawk, it's
Speaker 2: just the stupidest creature it to me, it looks like
Speaker 2: a Sharpei dog with mange, which is saying something. But
Speaker 2: it's known to cry in the forest because it's so ugly.
Speaker 2: So that is a squank. That is all it does,
Speaker 2: and if you upset it too much, it'll literally cry
Speaker 2: into a puddle. So we have a Squawk and it
Speaker 2: actually becomes the main character in issue four I think
Speaker 2: four or five.
Speaker 3: I know they have a Squanka Palooza.
Speaker 2: Well we have a plushy four. So I am known
Speaker 2: online and on Kickstarter. By the way, if anyone wants
Speaker 2: to find any of my stuff, just search a Worthy
Speaker 2: Chaos on Kickstarter or you can actually such it in Google,
Speaker 2: but Kickstart is the best thing. We're always pre launcher
Speaker 2: live on there. Anyway. I am known as the Queen
Speaker 2: of merch. I love merch. You can't see it, but
Speaker 2: I have like when Daego plushies and a giant when
Speaker 2: dega Bigfoot plushies that you can see because you get
Speaker 2: my camera. But this thing is like three feet tall,
Speaker 2: looks like alf really, But I have tons of plushies,
Speaker 2: So I'm starting. Uh, I have the line of comics,
Speaker 2: but I'm also starting now a line of cryptids because
Speaker 2: I got so obsessed with it. So I have like
Speaker 2: three D printed statues, homemade statues, stickers, magnets, pins, shirts
Speaker 2: of course, the plus she's and pretty much trading cards,
Speaker 2: metal bookmarks, anything you can pretty much think of, I have,
Speaker 2: and I've gotten quite obsessed with it. It brought me
Speaker 2: down this huge rabbit hole. I'm still doing a lot
Speaker 2: of research. But we were talking about before about the
Speaker 2: research I've done. Generally, once I add a creature to
Speaker 2: it the storyline, I do the research on it to
Speaker 2: make sure I'm accurate about it. Now with the story,
Speaker 2: there's thirty plus cryptids. She needs to track down twenty
Speaker 2: of them for ingredients for a spell, but she's not
Speaker 2: allowed to kill them to get the ingredients, so she
Speaker 2: has to get like a piece of a Wendego antler
Speaker 2: without killing it. So good luck with that. But like
Speaker 2: she needs the claw of the cheap of Calbre, she
Speaker 2: needs the tears of a squawk, of course, because what
Speaker 2: else would you mean. But I started a line of
Speaker 2: these jars that you can collect, and it'll be the
Speaker 2: jars of the ingredients of whatever it is. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna have a jar of ground up when Daego horn
Speaker 2: fangs from a werewolf. We do have a dog man
Speaker 2: in there, but he doesn't have an ingredient, and he's
Speaker 2: just there to piss off.
Speaker 3: The werewolves.
Speaker 2: And like, well, so I did research on dog Man,
Speaker 2: and depending on who you ask, we've talked about this
Speaker 2: off camera. He's either seen in the sevens or not
Speaker 2: seen in the Sevens. It depends. So we're set in
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty seven, just in case someone wants to follow that.
Speaker 2: But from my understanding, dog Man is not technically evil
Speaker 2: or anything. He's just very territorial, and some sources say
Speaker 2: he does not like unnatural things. So in the story,
Speaker 2: I myself isn't gonna probably get me a little bit
Speaker 2: of hate from some muel. I don't find werewolves to
Speaker 2: be a natural, you know, depending skinwalkers would be. But
Speaker 2: to me, a werewolf is a curse. It's not natural
Speaker 2: to me. But so in my story, the dog Man
Speaker 2: is against the werewolves because they're unnatural. Obviously depends. I'm
Speaker 2: not a fan of the humanoid type cryptids personally, so
Speaker 2: I don't have many in there. Like my windego is
Speaker 2: a one with antlers, which I know some me some
Speaker 2: hate for saying that they don't have antlers, and I said, well,
Speaker 2: it depends which culture you look at. Some cultures have them,
Speaker 2: some cultures don't. My understanding of my research that I've done,
Speaker 2: and yes, they're you know, I'm possessed by, you know,
Speaker 2: a spirit after becoming a cannibal generally stuck in the
Speaker 2: winter or whatever. But you know what, I like the antlers.
Speaker 2: They make them less humanoid and it makes it a
Speaker 2: whole unique creature. So to me, they have antlers. So yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: there's a whole tire in there.
Speaker 3: You're actually going to bring up something and you are
Speaker 3: just covered up. I was gonna say, anyone, since you
Speaker 3: hate because when dagoes don't necessarily have horns or ambers.
Speaker 2: I've gotten it.
Speaker 3: I've gotten a lot of shit from people about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've gotten hate from two different things. One somebody
Speaker 2: yelled at me that they are not cryptid's period. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're cryptids. They're they're considered cryptids, they're actually one of.
Speaker 3: You know, they're more of a spiritual.
Speaker 2: That's what they're argued was, which I don't agree. I
Speaker 2: think they are. They're they're a creature.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Even if they're created through some means, they're still Tommy
Speaker 2: Knockers are said to be the spirit of people of
Speaker 2: men that were killed in the minds. Uh so what's
Speaker 2: the difference. Uh? To me, they are acryptied. Someone yelled
Speaker 2: at me that the Jersey Devil, which in my story
Speaker 2: is the Leads Devil because they weren't named Jersey until
Speaker 2: the nineteen hundreds. But they were like, that's not a supernatural.
Speaker 2: That's not a cryptid. It's a supernatural creature. And I
Speaker 2: was like, it is a cryptid. That's it's so whatever.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I don't consider a cryptid is
Speaker 2: a ghost, a pure ghoss. But everything else to me
Speaker 2: is a cryptied. I was on the fence about the zombies.
Speaker 2: Some say the cryptid, some doesn't. Google says they are.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have regular zombies in the
Speaker 2: Western I have them in the Redemption line, which is
Speaker 2: the one that's on issue thirteen. I might have them
Speaker 2: later in the Western, but they will be from a necromancer,
Speaker 2: which would make them more of a cryptid. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've gotten I've gotten some heat from it. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really care.
Speaker 3: They will have In any form of media that you
Speaker 3: do or anything out in public, you'll always have someone
Speaker 3: to get complaints from. I get it all the time.
Speaker 3: I get I got one yesterday because apparently I took
Speaker 3: too long introducing a guest. Why it's boring, it's boring,
Speaker 3: get right to it, okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, Yeah, I I mean I try to remind
Speaker 2: them too that it is also a fictional story. This
Speaker 2: is not I'm not writing a you know, a field
Speaker 2: guide here. I might, but they will be the cryptid
Speaker 2: creatures of worthy cast anyway, so even if I did,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter. We did make up a few cryptids
Speaker 2: that I thought were cool. I have a a phoenix
Speaker 2: crow demon. I have a dragon plant. I have an
Speaker 2: aunt bat. I have so I have a few. I
Speaker 2: think there was like nine that I made up just
Speaker 2: to have a little bit difference. My favorite I have
Speaker 2: is the chameleon vampire bat, which I nicknamed Chatty, which
Speaker 2: is you know, part chameleon part bat. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: I don't know. Everyone's gonna hate something, but I try
Speaker 2: to be as accurate as I can. Again, my research
Speaker 2: quotes that wendegos have two and I can't think off
Speaker 2: the top of head. I think one's European, one's Native American,
Speaker 2: one has antlers, one doesn't. I believe the Native American
Speaker 2: does not have antlers, But for I, I could be
Speaker 2: the other way around because I have the worst memory,
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 3: Believe with the American they don't because they are more.
Speaker 3: They have the bigger mouthse with no lips, and they're more.
Speaker 3: I have my own opinions on a lot of the
Speaker 3: actual sightings of like the pill crawlers and this, and
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that stuff that people are
Speaker 3: describing and they're seeing the same things, but they've got
Speaker 3: different names from different cultures, from different areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. If you look up by state, you
Speaker 2: could see that a lot of them look familiar, but
Speaker 2: they have different names. So it really depends. Now, my
Speaker 2: story is accurate in the fact that I use the
Speaker 2: research that I find and the events and the inventions. However,
Speaker 2: my creatures are not accurate to locations because yeah, no,
Speaker 2: but I do have like there's a tunnel a cave
Speaker 2: system that has a dimensional portal that a lot of
Speaker 2: the creatures come from, so they are from different locations.
Speaker 2: But I do not have like state. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't go by state. They're just the fun. So don't
Speaker 2: don't come at me and say I did do the environment,
Speaker 2: like the borough, the bureau, the b you are you.
Speaker 2: I'm just lexic. So however, it's probably wrong. The one
Speaker 2: that looks like an alligator supposed to be like in
Speaker 2: the Amazon. Mine's in the swamp, which is where it
Speaker 2: would be in the Amazon. So the environment's correct, the
Speaker 2: location is not. So just enjoy the damn story. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just to have fun time, including different cryptids
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I know we kind of talked a little off air
Speaker 3: about some of your actual experiences. But is there something
Speaker 3: that kind of led you to go the cryptid route?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: It?
Speaker 2: No, like it was. I don't even remember how it started.
Speaker 2: I was drawn I was doing the Western for some reason.
Speaker 2: I just really wanted to do a Western, and my
Speaker 2: co writer who writes Straven, I write Saraphina and the story.
Speaker 2: I leave the story, but my co writer writes Draven,
Speaker 2: So I had said I really want to do a
Speaker 2: Western and my co write is like, yeah, me too,
Speaker 2: And that's how it started. We literally started writing with
Speaker 2: no thought process what we never do, but no thought
Speaker 2: process whatsoever. And we were like, I think I was
Speaker 2: on the first page, if even, and I was just like,
Speaker 2: we should have cryptids. And I don't even know where
Speaker 2: it came from. And my card is like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: and I was like, they should hunt down cryptids. Now
Speaker 2: I do love cryptids from a Supernatural show, but the
Speaker 2: more I thought about it, they really don't do that
Speaker 2: many supernatural creatures, considering it supernatural. I remember the wendego
Speaker 2: they did, which is a more accurate, you know, elongated
Speaker 2: creature living in the cave, you know, with no antlers.
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, I just was like, hey, I
Speaker 2: should do cryptis. And then it went to where I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, we should have to hunt them down,
Speaker 2: but we can't kill them because I'd be too easy.
Speaker 2: Plus people. I was like, people might not like us
Speaker 2: if we killed all their favorite cryptis. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it just it kind of happened sporadically. I
Speaker 2: feel like it was meant to be now because now
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with it. I have never personally seen a cryptid.
Speaker 2: The only paranormal thing I've ever seen is the shadow man,
Speaker 2: which I heard is quite common or more common than
Speaker 2: most things, and I didn't really know it at the time.
Speaker 2: I had convinced myself that had fallen asleep. I was
Speaker 2: fortunately not at home. I was pet sitting or cat sitting,
Speaker 2: I guess, and I was a teenager and I'd never
Speaker 2: been there before. And I normally sleep with pitch dark
Speaker 2: miss and the door shut. But for whatever reason, there
Speaker 2: was a light somewhere in the house and the door
Speaker 2: was open, so I don't know if I was already
Speaker 2: on edge because I don't normally sleep at that. In fact,
Speaker 2: I have like double blackout curtains in my room, so
Speaker 2: I don't know, or maybe because of this now that
Speaker 2: I think about it, maybe you never know. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I was laying in bed. There's literally nothing in the
Speaker 2: bedroom at all. It was just the twin bed and
Speaker 2: that was it. And it was really small, and I
Speaker 2: am on one side of the door, on one side
Speaker 2: of the wall. The door was to the left upwards,
Speaker 2: so the left corner, and I was staring at the
Speaker 2: wall in front of me, and all I saw was
Speaker 2: this black person shadow that reached from the floor to
Speaker 2: the ceiling, and I just kind of like casually, like
Speaker 2: could you not casually just watched it walk across the
Speaker 2: wall in front of me, and I'm watching it being
Speaker 2: scared at all, but I'm watching it like there was
Speaker 2: nothing to it. And then it disappeared under the bed,
Speaker 2: and without thinking about it, considering I was a kid
Speaker 2: and was scared of what's under the bed, I jumped
Speaker 2: up to go look under the bed, like I'm moron,
Speaker 2: and then right when I got to the edge, I
Speaker 2: was like, WHOA what am I doing? So I did
Speaker 2: not look under the bed and I laid back down,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I must have fallen asleep and
Speaker 2: thought I saw it. So I convinced myself that that's
Speaker 2: what it was. And then like ten years later, I
Speaker 2: was watching some paranormal show and the chick was like,
Speaker 2: she described it perfectly. She's like, I was lying in
Speaker 2: bed and I watched this shadow creature walk across the
Speaker 2: wall in front of me and then disappeared under the bed.
Speaker 2: I was like, that happened to me, and that's where
Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, maybe I did see something,
Speaker 2: but yeah, i'd convinced my But I don't remember being scared.
Speaker 2: I don't remember being like, you know, paralyzed from fear anything.
Speaker 2: I don't remember any of that. I just remember watching
Speaker 2: it and jumping up out of bed when it went
Speaker 2: under the bed. That's all I remember. And while I
Speaker 2: was like leaning over the bed, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: why am I doing this? So I don't know what
Speaker 2: was in in the bed, but all I now picture
Speaker 2: is like eyes under the bed. So I'm glad I
Speaker 2: didn't look. But when I was a kid, I was
Speaker 2: always scared of putting my hands behind my head to
Speaker 2: think something was going to grab my hands from underneath
Speaker 2: the bed. So the fact that I got up is
Speaker 2: pretty insane to me. And I'm still really annoyed myself
Speaker 2: in hearing that.
Speaker 3: So shadow people are, you said more prominent? Which you do.
Speaker 3: Hear a lot of people reporting seeing those things, and
Speaker 3: I have my own hair brained idea of what they
Speaker 3: could possibly be. I don't necessarily think that they're ghost
Speaker 3: in the sense of that. I think what people are
Speaker 3: seeing are let's just say the whole different, the density
Speaker 3: is different, dimensions or whatever around. Maybe these things are
Speaker 3: from a different frequency that we don't see, but we
Speaker 3: can always they're always around, we just don't interact with them.
Speaker 3: Say we're in a three D world, maybe they're in
Speaker 3: a forty or a five D you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is kind of funny that you say that
Speaker 2: because you don't play video games. Do you like Silent Hill? I?
Speaker 3: Yes, I see. You have the Legend of Zelda shirt on.
Speaker 3: I was actually gonna bring that up here in a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, there's these little shadow kids that's on
Speaker 2: Silent Hill, And that's how I always pictured the shadow creatures,
Speaker 2: and it annoyed me because when I was playing the game,
Speaker 2: I would always try to interact with these little shadows
Speaker 2: and they just were just there. They literally do nothing
Speaker 2: in the game. So the way you described it is
Speaker 2: actually I could absolutely see that that being the case,
Speaker 2: that they're just rennants of whatever memories or people or whatever,
Speaker 2: but they're just there. Yeah, I can see them.
Speaker 3: Now, there are some things that I think to interact
Speaker 3: with us, but for the most part, I think stuff
Speaker 3: like that are on their own sort of wavelength frequencies
Speaker 3: and they don't really have any says like what goes on,
Speaker 3: Like they don't have any interaction with us, They're just
Speaker 3: on their own plane.
Speaker 2: But now do you think that it like knows we're there,
Speaker 2: Like does it know I was watching it and it
Speaker 2: just or was it just doing its thing?
Speaker 3: You think it probably doesn't even realize that we're there.
Speaker 3: If it's on its own. Maybe we say it comes
Speaker 3: into our world, maybe we go into their world too,
Speaker 3: like sometimes we believe who knows they ever.
Speaker 2: Heard any negative uh interactions with them? Because I've never
Speaker 2: heard like a negative. I'm just wondering because, like I said,
Speaker 2: I didn't have any fear from it. So I'm just
Speaker 2: wondering if anyone one of.
Speaker 3: The first episodes I did, a guy was seeing a
Speaker 3: lot of these things, but he described them as being
Speaker 3: and cloaking.
Speaker 2: But it's a little different.
Speaker 3: His version. You have to take it a little differently too,
Speaker 3: because he was only seeing these things when he was
Speaker 3: on math amphetamine. Well that kind of grows out any
Speaker 3: sort of credibility. But I've actually since that episode released.
Speaker 3: I was like one of my first six or seven episodes,
Speaker 3: and I've actually had a lot of people reach out
Speaker 3: about that. They're like, no, what he's saying is honestly
Speaker 3: true because like again, but when you guys admit that
Speaker 3: you're on mind altering substances, you could see, you can see,
Speaker 3: Like that's what they're trying to say, Like when people
Speaker 3: take mushrooms or any any kind of like you're you're
Speaker 3: opening up your quote unquote third eye and you're able
Speaker 3: to see because we're basically limited to what we can feel.
Speaker 3: Which is funny because there's stories from Vietnam. This has
Speaker 3: been talked about a couple of times, but supposedly when
Speaker 3: they first came out with night vision technology, they saw
Speaker 3: things flying around that you couldn't normally see even with
Speaker 3: other so they switched the tech supposedly because they were
Speaker 3: seeing these different frequency beans creature things floating around, flying
Speaker 3: around them and they're all like shooting and nothing because
Speaker 3: there's nothing there, but they could see them because they're
Speaker 3: on a different spectrum. That's why they have full spectrum
Speaker 3: cameras that they could pick up different stuff that you
Speaker 3: don't normally see with your naked eye because we can
Speaker 3: only see in certain color schemes. So there's also there's
Speaker 3: all sorts of weird stuff out there that who really knows,
Speaker 3: and like I said the stuff that I'm talking about,
Speaker 3: I don't know either. I'm a freaking scientist. I'm just
Speaker 3: some guy on a microphone.
Speaker 2: But hell, I uh, as of late, I would say
Speaker 2: the last be honest with you, the last probably eight years,
Speaker 2: ten years. I look into a lot of conspiracies, and
Speaker 2: there's some I don't believe, and there's some that are crazy.
Speaker 2: But I think it's funny. I'm gonna mention this and
Speaker 2: not going to say I believe in this, but I
Speaker 2: think it's a funny take on it if it is true. Obviously,
Speaker 2: some people believe in the matrix kind of thing, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I am not against that idea, and
Speaker 2: I actually don't even care if I was in the matrix,
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I'm perfectly fine with that. But
Speaker 2: there was this program that they were showing where I
Speaker 2: don't know if i'm gonna explain this right, there's like this.
Speaker 2: It's like a It's a computer program, and when you're
Speaker 2: not using it, the program thinks it's a butterfly. So
Speaker 2: the butterfly it flies around its own little world, it
Speaker 2: sees its own little world, and then when you come
Speaker 2: in and use it, it does whatever you need to
Speaker 2: and then it goes back to being a butterfly. So
Speaker 2: they were theorizing that what if we lived in a
Speaker 2: simulation and when we're dreaming is when we're in this
Speaker 2: other simulation that you're being used and you're actually interacting
Speaker 2: with what they had, which I thought was funny and
Speaker 2: terrifying at the same time. The only reason why I
Speaker 2: can't fall in line with that kind of story is
Speaker 2: we go to sleep at the same time every day,
Speaker 2: so does this program only have hours you can use it?
Speaker 2: So that is set on that. But other theories were
Speaker 2: like when you're sleeping, you are interacting dimensions, which I
Speaker 2: think they did something like that on Doctor Strange or
Speaker 2: something that seems more believable to me, like last night,
Speaker 2: I had the craziest dreams about I can't even explain it.
Speaker 2: I can. I saw it perfectly and very vividly, and
Speaker 2: most of my stories, by the way, were from dreams.
Speaker 2: But it was something about there was some kind of
Speaker 2: radioactive chemical and something and people were fighting over it,
Speaker 2: and it was like a class that I was I
Speaker 2: was in for whatever reason, and the person that was
Speaker 2: taking my chemicals wound up killing somebody, and they were
Speaker 2: trying to investigate it. This this is a freaking weird dream,
Speaker 2: so I can understand the whole you're in another dimension
Speaker 2: kind of thing when you're dreaming. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: do you ever have dreams that are so vivid or
Speaker 2: that you can interact with?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've talked about it a couple of times. I'll
Speaker 3: talk a little bit more to you hair off air,
Speaker 3: but I don't like in the audience the same thing
Speaker 3: over and over. But there is an episode that'll be
Speaker 3: coming out. I've already recorded obviously, but when yours comes out,
Speaker 3: it'll probably be a couple before yours does. But I
Speaker 3: actually interviewed a couple of guys to talk about how
Speaker 3: in your dreamscape you're basically traveling to these different realities,
Speaker 3: like you're on the astral plane and everyone can supposedly
Speaker 3: do this. I've never tried it personally because kind of
Speaker 3: a will I'm afraid I'm gonna actually do it and
Speaker 3: then I'm get stuck or trapped. They claim that's not possible,
Speaker 3: you just wake up and come back. But I was like,
Speaker 3: my dreams are already screwed up enough half the time,
Speaker 3: but I don't really want to try it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I did have one recently that I haven't talked about,
Speaker 3: and it was strange, but it's haunting in the sense
Speaker 3: like I was somewhere and I don't know what was
Speaker 3: actually going on. I feel like something like an active
Speaker 3: pewpew thing going on out there, one of those types
Speaker 3: of situations. And I opened up this door and it
Speaker 3: was like all hazy and smoky, and I saw my
Speaker 3: youngest son, but he was a little bit bigger, but
Speaker 3: he still talked the way he does now. He said,
Speaker 3: I found you. I said, yeah, buddy, you found me,
Speaker 3: and then but he was very pale, like he didn't.
Speaker 3: He looked ghostly and I woke up from that and
Speaker 3: it's bothered me ever since then. So, like I said,
Speaker 3: I don't like dreams like that, especially as parents like
Speaker 3: and you see these haunting ass dreams, you're just like, man,
Speaker 3: I don't like that at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I get seen that. That's not liking that
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, I don't. Uh. I've had some crazy
Speaker 2: dreams that I've I've actually added into the story. They're
Speaker 2: always so very vivid, and I'll wake up and I
Speaker 2: can't explain it, but I could see it all in
Speaker 2: my head. There was this Batman animated series once that
Speaker 2: they were able to hook up a computer that record
Speaker 2: your dreams, and I'm waiting for that to come out
Speaker 2: because I want I want to be able to watch
Speaker 2: my dreams over because some of them are make great movies,
Speaker 2: and some of them, I'm just like, what was I smoking?
Speaker 2: Like I don't I don't remember smoking anything or drinking anything,
Speaker 2: or I don't do drugs, so I don't know what
Speaker 2: was going on there. But yeah, it's just insane. I
Speaker 2: remember one where I was in a building and I
Speaker 2: was running through the corridors trying to get away, but
Speaker 2: I don't know from what, but I was trying to
Speaker 2: get away from something, and I would just keep going
Speaker 2: into different corridors, like through kitchen, just like you see
Speaker 2: all those movies where they're going through And I was
Speaker 2: going through this building but I didn't understand what it was,
Speaker 2: but it was so vivid and like you can feel
Speaker 2: the door is opening. But I can't think of a
Speaker 2: dream where I was able to control it. It's always
Speaker 2: just I can start a dream sometimes if I I
Speaker 2: can't go to bed without over without creating a story
Speaker 2: in my head first. That's the only way I think
Speaker 2: I've ever fallen asleep is that I have to do
Speaker 2: one of my stories in my head and picture it
Speaker 2: like a movie and then my brain does whatever. But
Speaker 2: I've never been in a dream where I remember being
Speaker 2: able to control it or anything like that. And it's
Speaker 2: actually in Redemption as a part where they're actually in
Speaker 2: kind of like a dream for a while and they're
Speaker 2: interacting and the angels are trying to convince them that
Speaker 2: you're in a dream, and they're just like, no, because
Speaker 2: you can't get hurt in a dream, or I don't
Speaker 2: remember being able to feel in a dream and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. So it was very it's very cool to
Speaker 2: write that and be like, what would I do if
Speaker 2: I if I could do that? I think in the
Speaker 2: novel that did differently. But in the in the novels,
Speaker 2: they were supposed to like jump off a cliff to
Speaker 2: wait up because generally your body wakes up, you know,
Speaker 2: before you hit the ground, and they were saying, oh,
Speaker 2: you have to jump yourself out of your sleep, but uh,
Speaker 2: I don't think I did that. In the comic, I
Speaker 2: think I changed it, but yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I can be convinced to jump off a cliff to
Speaker 2: wake myself up, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have dreams where I'm typically falling or flying, and
Speaker 3: it's always strange, like I'm floating around and then like
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I realize what I'm doing and
Speaker 3: I start falling to the ground. And then usually I
Speaker 3: wake up and I jerk and I'm like, was I
Speaker 3: actually levitating above my bed?
Speaker 2: I had that once. Remember I was falling in the dream,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember why, like I don't remember. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I don't remember when I woke up,
Speaker 2: but when I don't remember now, but I was falling,
Speaker 2: and then, like you said, I didn't jerk up. I
Speaker 2: actually fell against the PD. So either I was standing
Speaker 2: up or levitating, because as soon as I woke up,
Speaker 2: I fell into the bed, So if I was standing up,
Speaker 2: I would have had a bigger fall. I would think
Speaker 2: maybe I was sitting up and then I fell back down.
Speaker 2: But it was weird because I was about to hit
Speaker 2: the ground and I hit the bed, So it's really
Speaker 2: weird and I'll never forget that. It's never happened again since,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what happened, but it was quite unique.
Speaker 4: Used to.
Speaker 2: I've never had a really easy time falling asleep. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's all times, you know, samyac whatever.
Speaker 2: I get about four hours of sleep at night, sometimes three.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm blessed with five. I don't know what's going upstairs.
Speaker 2: It's very loud, but anyway, yeah, probably hope he's cleaning.
Speaker 2: But uh, I've always had a hard time going to sleep.
Speaker 2: And I remember when I was a kid, my brother
Speaker 2: told me to make up a story, and I was
Speaker 2: so into it as kid that I would literally pretend
Speaker 2: to like interact with smurfs in my room for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Like I'd literally be crawling around my bed like interacting
Speaker 2: with spurs. So I've never had a really my my
Speaker 2: husband falls asleep in four seconds. It drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: I hate it. But he sleeps for twelve hours and
Speaker 2: he's exhausted all day long. I sleep for four hours
Speaker 2: and I wake up with no caffeine, no nothing, and
Speaker 2: I'm fine. So I guess my way is better. But
Speaker 2: sometimes it's very boring, you know, like you're just awake
Speaker 2: for like four hours staring at the ceiling. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's exhausting, but but yeah, anyway, I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna ask, like, so, you've only had the one
Speaker 3: paranormal sort of experience and you do these comics and
Speaker 3: everything else. Do you ever feel like for some reason
Speaker 3: you were drawn to doing that though, like you can't
Speaker 3: really explain why you chose that path, but like you
Speaker 3: feel like there's just some reason that happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, mostly because now I've joked about this because I
Speaker 2: I won't ever say that it's serious because I probably
Speaker 2: have to lock myself in a loone ebin. I absolutely
Speaker 2: am convinced that the characters in my head are from
Speaker 2: another dimension and they're telling me the story and I'm
Speaker 2: writing it like a prophet. And the only reason why
Speaker 2: I say that, obviously it's probably not it. The reason
Speaker 2: why I say that is I will write things that
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even know the direction I'm going,
Speaker 2: and I like I've been asked on I've done over
Speaker 2: a two hundred and twenty five podcasts, probably two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty by this point, and they always ask me
Speaker 2: what's my process of writing? And I literally just sit
Speaker 2: down and write whatever comes out of my head. But
Speaker 2: the reason why I say something's controlling it is because
Speaker 2: I will write things, and I will not know the
Speaker 2: point of them, and then later on I find out
Speaker 2: that there's a huge connection to them. I have like
Speaker 2: a thousand examples, and I could think of some off
Speaker 2: the top of my head. Like for example, so Seraphina's
Speaker 2: father is Remnal, which is an angel in scripture that
Speaker 2: would judge the souls on earth and bring them to heaven.
Speaker 2: For Draven's father, we just picked any demon without ever,
Speaker 2: you know, we didn't really have a thought process for it.
Speaker 2: We just picked a demon. So it wasn't until later
Speaker 2: where we did research on the demon and we found
Speaker 2: out that it is a chaos demon that devours souls
Speaker 2: on the Bridge of Judgment. Now, it has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with Remnol in scripture. It's just happens to be
Speaker 2: a demon that does this. But not only that, he
Speaker 2: is immune to all forms of lightning, and Remnall's power
Speaker 2: is lightning. So it was always this really cool interaction
Speaker 2: that we had. Now we didn't plan that ahead of time.
Speaker 2: But there were other things. For example, Sarah Fina, as
Speaker 2: I was kind of telling you before, she has a
Speaker 2: guardian that is a white rat. His name is Apollo.
Speaker 2: He has a son on his eye. Now, the joke
Speaker 2: for me was I named him Apollo because I want
Speaker 2: to put a sun spot on his eye. But I
Speaker 2: did not know at the time that Apollo was actually
Speaker 2: the lord of rodents. It just happened to be like that. However,
Speaker 2: I did not know at all that Saraphina's mom, who
Speaker 2: we didn't even know or have a name for yet
Speaker 2: until way into the story, she is Sarona, which is
Speaker 2: a goddess of hot water, hot springs, healing hot springs. Now,
Speaker 2: I used to have Saraphina heal from being in hot water.
Speaker 2: I did not have the mom yet in thought process,
Speaker 2: it wasn't in my mind. I didn't have a name
Speaker 2: for it. I don't even think I had a name
Speaker 2: for it until the story was halfway done. So the
Speaker 2: fact that she was healing from hot springs is just
Speaker 2: really weird. So he picked Sirona because she's the goddess
Speaker 2: of falling stars, and my character was a falling star.
Speaker 2: But we did not know that she is best friends
Speaker 2: with Apollo, which technically makes no sense because they are
Speaker 2: absolutely two different religions, but they are in many many
Speaker 2: writings best friends, which again is weird because in our
Speaker 2: story Apollo sent the white rat to protect her, and
Speaker 2: now we connected to the mom So it's really weird.
Speaker 2: But there was There's so many more that it's just like,
Speaker 2: we'll write it and we won't even know why we
Speaker 2: write it, and then later on I'm like, oh, that's why.
Speaker 2: So it's like, for example, in Redemption, their guardian angel,
Speaker 2: which is kamel a cameel in scripture is the angel
Speaker 2: of true love, so it wound up being the guardian angel.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have wings in the story, and I had
Speaker 2: absolutely no reason for him not to have wings. I
Speaker 2: just never showed the other angels have wings, and I
Speaker 2: never said he didn't have wings. He just never showed
Speaker 2: his wings and I don't know why. Well, when I
Speaker 2: wrote the prequel, I found out why he doesn't have wings,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that's why. Like I didn't
Speaker 2: know why he didn't. So it's just really weird these
Speaker 2: things connect and I'm just like, why did this happen?
Speaker 2: And I've actually had and this is where the insanity
Speaker 2: might come in. I've actually had a flat out argument
Speaker 2: with my character. Generally I disagreed while we were writing,
Speaker 2: but this one time I literally had an argument where
Speaker 2: I had her walk into a room and all of
Speaker 2: these things happened, and it didn't make sense to me,
Speaker 2: so I said, I have to start this over. I
Speaker 2: don't even know what direction this is going in. And
Speaker 2: the character's like, no, just keep writing, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this makes no sense. So I just keept writing and
Speaker 2: it was like twenty pages long, and when I was done,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that is kind of cool. That's
Speaker 2: not what I expected. So I don't know where that
Speaker 2: came from. I don't know why I wrote it. I
Speaker 2: don't know why the character wanted it written. But it
Speaker 2: fit really well and it was a really cool scene.
Speaker 2: And I had sent it to my co writer and
Speaker 2: my core is like, what the hell what gave you
Speaker 2: that idea? And I'm like, no idea, and my coat
Speaker 2: is a writer, is like, I can't wait to see
Speaker 2: what happens. It's like me neither. Like so lots of
Speaker 2: times I have no idea where the story's going. I
Speaker 2: can tell you it least oh at least thirty forty times,
Speaker 2: but very very strict times I had the dream of
Speaker 2: what happens, and I'd wake up up and be like,
Speaker 2: I know how Book four ends, Like so I didn't
Speaker 2: even know how book five would start, and then I
Speaker 2: get a dream and I was like, that's hound hap.
Speaker 2: So this just I don't know what's sending me the message.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it really is another dimension. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's just a part of my brain
Speaker 2: that's way more creative than me. But it's really weird
Speaker 2: how the story will develop and we just go with it,
Speaker 2: and then twenty issues down the line will be like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's why we wrote that. So it's really weird.
Speaker 3: Together, it makes sense it all.
Speaker 2: But we used to write things out of order. I
Speaker 2: would get an idea or a dream and I was like,
Speaker 2: we have to write it now. I want to write
Speaker 2: it now, and we'd write it and then they would
Speaker 2: all connect, and sometimes it won't connect for forty issues.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll connect three books later, like it's just one.
Speaker 2: I think at one point I had five different events
Speaker 2: happening completely different and literally for different books. It was
Speaker 2: just really weird. So I think that I was meant
Speaker 2: to write it for a reason. I've never had any
Speaker 2: direction in my life. I've never had any creativeness ever.
Speaker 2: I'm an artist, but not one that I ever focused on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it was meant to be. I
Speaker 2: think something's telling me what to write, no idea what
Speaker 2: it is. But we have over one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: five issues written within four years so and we're still writing.
Speaker 2: And it's very, very weird how it happens. I think
Speaker 2: I have three things written ahead now, but no, I
Speaker 2: don't know where the cryptid thought even came. So it's
Speaker 2: really weird because I didn't do this on purpose. But
Speaker 2: in Redemption there's a joke and I think issues Sick
Speaker 2: seven where Draven says to Sara Fina what else is
Speaker 2: out there? Because he didn't know any anything supernatural existed.
Speaker 2: He goes, what else is out there? Bigfoot? And she says, no,
Speaker 2: no Bigfoot yet. And then I didn't realize it until
Speaker 2: we were writing The Bigfoot, where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's kind of a fort shout. I think we didn't
Speaker 2: even plan on, so it was just kind of funny
Speaker 2: that they mentioned that, and I didn't realize it until, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, what has it been two years later?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's I.
Speaker 3: Don't I'm assuming it's because of you moving, but there's
Speaker 3: a reflection in the background. I keep seeing something on
Speaker 3: your reflection moving, so it kind of creeped me out
Speaker 3: for a second.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what's I mean. You let me
Speaker 2: show you this cap. This is my this is whole
Speaker 2: room's a mess because I am trying to organize this
Speaker 2: room because I'm a believe it or not, I'm a
Speaker 2: Donald Duck collector, and I have over four thousand items,
Speaker 2: which beats the world record almost by double. So I'm
Speaker 2: trying to make this room just my comic room because
Speaker 2: I've gotten so obsessed with the story that I haven't
Speaker 2: I all my money goes to this. I am so
Speaker 2: obsessed with everyone. Everyone makes fun of me because my
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you know anything about comic creating,
Speaker 2: but an indie comic creator generally makes about three four
Speaker 2: issues tops a year. I do eight a year, but
Speaker 2: I only release eight. I actually make way more so.
Speaker 2: Issue thirteen is being released February seventeenth, but Issue eighteen
Speaker 2: just got started being made. So nobody does that because
Speaker 2: I don't get paid for those until they release, and
Speaker 2: everyone's like what if they don't sell? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I did make it for people, I made it for me,
Speaker 2: so it's obviously it's putting me somewhat in debt. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to handle it, but I've gotten so obsessed with
Speaker 2: the story that I just, I'm just I can't get
Speaker 2: enough of it. So it's pretty much taken over my
Speaker 2: whole existence, and I'm okay with that. I've made this
Speaker 2: my lot in life. I've only been making comics for
Speaker 2: two years this Halloween. We started Halloween last year the
Speaker 2: year before, so I've only been making the comics for
Speaker 2: two years. But we've been writing for about four years.
Speaker 2: And I had the story idea for eleven years before
Speaker 2: I even started writing it, so I've had it for
Speaker 2: quite a while in my head and it's kind of
Speaker 2: got away from me. But I do get made fun
Speaker 2: of a lot that, like, how do you know what
Speaker 2: it's gonna sell? You have eighteen issues and it's like
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't really matter. I made it for me.
Speaker 2: I get made fun of for all the merch. Why
Speaker 2: do you have so much merch? It's like I wanted it.
Speaker 2: Now it's tax deductible, so best hobby ever. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I want it. I want everything. I love my characters.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with my characters. It's the bad time of
Speaker 2: the year because my co writer never writes during this
Speaker 2: time of the year because she hates the holidays. So
Speaker 2: I haven't written anything. I'm gonna probably write something. I'm
Speaker 2: already ahead, like three chapters, maybe four chapters, but they
Speaker 2: just fought the bascalisk I had to write it. They
Speaker 2: aren't actually into it the story, but I think they're fighting.
Speaker 2: I can't say the name because I'm dyslexic, but it
Speaker 2: starts with a J. It's a Japanese spider lady, so
Speaker 2: we kind of did something with that. So they're fighting
Speaker 2: the spider and then so I know, I'm like rambling
Speaker 2: on and off. The two characters are soulmates, and they
Speaker 2: recarnate into different stories they were originally created. Draven was
Speaker 2: created to actually kill Seraphine in the very beginning. She
Speaker 2: was created from an angelic weapon that the father used
Speaker 2: to hold the souls with to carry to Heaven from Earth,
Speaker 2: and the weapon has all the powers of souls. His wife,
Speaker 2: the Goddess of the Hot Spring. She wanted a family angels.
Speaker 2: This is another one that I didn't know was true
Speaker 2: now that I remembered it. So she wanted a child.
Speaker 2: Angels can't have kids, so he used the souls and
Speaker 2: his magic and the wife's magic to create Serafina, so
Speaker 2: she has both the powers, but she has the power
Speaker 2: of souls. So I didn't know that Remnol in history
Speaker 2: in the scripture is the first angel to sit against
Speaker 2: God by creating a half angel child. It's half human,
Speaker 2: half age. So I just thought that was funny because
Speaker 2: I didn't know that when I had him do it
Speaker 2: in the story, so I thought that was funny. I
Speaker 2: didn't find out until four years later. Five years later, yes,
Speaker 2: four years later. So anyway, I didn't know where they
Speaker 2: originally met. I just knew pretty much two of their lives.
Speaker 2: So I think it was last month. I woke up
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's how they met. So I
Speaker 2: went and wrote it. So now I know how they
Speaker 2: originally met after they were created, and it was kind
Speaker 2: of cool to see it because I hadn't even known how.
Speaker 2: But I woke up in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: I was like, so that's how it happened, and I
Speaker 2: thought it was funny that I finally saw it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to shit that's going out
Speaker 2: of my head, so it's all it's all interesting to me.
Speaker 2: So I, like I said, I released this for me.
Speaker 2: I've had people say, oh, do you care what the
Speaker 2: readers don't like or like or whatever, and I go, obviously,
Speaker 2: I hope they like it, but I'm not writing it
Speaker 2: for them. The bonus is that they like it. I'm
Speaker 2: writing it for me. And a lot of people have
Speaker 2: asked me, is it worth making comics? And it's and
Speaker 2: only if you're obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that most people that don't know and
Speaker 3: can relate to is like I used to play music.
Speaker 3: We didn't make music for other people. Like I played
Speaker 3: in a death metal band. No one gave a shit
Speaker 3: about what we played, but we enjoyed it. I do
Speaker 3: this show mainly for my own benefit. I don't have
Speaker 3: any I don't do music anymore. I needed an outlet.
Speaker 3: I had some stuff happen. I wanted to find answers.
Speaker 3: This is my way of finding answers, and I've never
Speaker 3: failed the answer I'm looking for. So now I'm trying
Speaker 3: to do a documentary because I've been digging up weird stuff.
Speaker 3: So it's my constant quest of needing to fulfill that
Speaker 3: creative outlet. And unless people have that like drive to
Speaker 3: do it. They can't relate to it, like I don't
Speaker 3: make enough money to barely break even, but like the
Speaker 3: time and investment into this and everything's passion. Like you
Speaker 3: have all this merch. I have the same thing. I
Speaker 3: upgraded my equipment. I have thousands of dollars worth of equipment.
Speaker 3: Like I'm always doing stuff. I'm going to these conferences.
Speaker 3: I'm going to these conventions. I have to pay to
Speaker 3: go to these things. I have to set up boose,
Speaker 3: which I actually just got on popcorn this.
Speaker 2: I meant to see you at the Crypto, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't feeling well and my husband wasn't feeling well. But
Speaker 2: I'm getting a boot. I'm getting a table next year,
Speaker 2: so if you're there next.
Speaker 3: Year, I will I'm hopefully will be there next year.
Speaker 2: I've never been there, so I was so excited to go,
Speaker 2: and it was just I had a fever all week
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to get anyone else sick, and
Speaker 2: then my husband is coughing. But I wanted to go
Speaker 2: so bad. It was too late for me to get
Speaker 2: a table by the time because I'm gonna be Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't even know cryptid cons were a thing and
Speaker 2: now I signed up for the Bigfoot Conference next year
Speaker 2: in Gatlinburg, so if anyone's going to be there, it
Speaker 2: is July twenty fifth. I want to go to the
Speaker 2: cryptocon in Lexington, and there's a wild Man con. See.
Speaker 2: The problem is is that a lot of the cryptocons
Speaker 2: are outdoors, and I won't do an outdoor one. I'm
Speaker 2: very upset about it because like west Point has the
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Conference and has the Mofman.
Speaker 3: Festival and both.
Speaker 2: Outside, so I definitely won't do it next year. The
Speaker 2: following year, maybe I'll suck it up and get a tent.
Speaker 2: But it's just I hate being I just, you know,
Speaker 2: too much work. I'm pretty lazy. I'm the hard working
Speaker 2: I'm the laziest hard worker ever. Because most creators, like
Speaker 2: I said, do three or four kickstarters a year. I
Speaker 2: think my friend does three a year. I do eight.
Speaker 2: And I think I'm crazy because all of my stuff
Speaker 2: is done before my kickstarter. My god for credit cards
Speaker 2: or too bad card credit card. But I get everything
Speaker 2: out shipped within a week to two weeks tops. So
Speaker 2: most people wait year months to a year, some two
Speaker 2: years for their comic.
Speaker 5: Not me.
Speaker 2: You get it within two weeks, and I think I'm
Speaker 2: crazy because the only time I take off is now.
Speaker 2: I get December and November off, November and December off,
Speaker 2: and I only do that because it's not worthwhile on Kickstarter.
Speaker 2: The you know, not a lot of people. They spend
Speaker 2: their money on other stuff. But yeah, I mean I've
Speaker 2: h If you realize that a comic cost about three
Speaker 2: to four thousand just to make it, not including printing,
Speaker 2: and I have five made that I haven't sold yet,
Speaker 2: goes to show you how much debt I have. But
Speaker 2: I just my husband made the horrible mistake of telling
Speaker 2: me to go all out for two years, and I
Speaker 2: went all out. So I've kind of slowed down a
Speaker 2: little bit now, but I'm still getting two series done.
Speaker 2: This is how obsessed they am. So my redemption was
Speaker 2: five issues ahead. Right, I could have just did those
Speaker 2: five kickstarters, gotten paid for them, and then started again
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six and gotten out of debt. Right, No,
Speaker 2: let's start a series about cryptids here I am. My
Speaker 2: brain was like, get out of debt? Are you crazy
Speaker 2: when you're this far in debt? Like, what's what's a
Speaker 2: couple of girl.
Speaker 3: More hit that? Right? Yeah? But for me. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I barely break even. It's enough to cover the expenses
Speaker 3: that I have, so I can't complain. So I appreciate
Speaker 3: all the listeners out there that help me that they
Speaker 3: have to hear an add every once in a while,
Speaker 3: which I was always against that stuff. I felt like
Speaker 3: I was selling out. I didn't want the show to
Speaker 3: be monetizing this and that, but it cost too much
Speaker 3: money to try and do this without making some sort
Speaker 3: of something back.
Speaker 2: Oh trust me, if I was rich, I would just
Speaker 2: release these. I wouldn't even have Kickstars. I wouldn't even care.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because I don't break even yet,
Speaker 2: mostly because of all the merchant I make. But my
Speaker 2: goal is to someday break even. That's the goal. I
Speaker 2: didn't even care about profit. I don't need to do
Speaker 2: this if I already do it full time, I don't
Speaker 2: need to get paid for it full time. I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be a bonus made some money, But the
Speaker 2: main thing is I just want to keep making them.
Speaker 2: I don't want people to keep reading them, especially since
Speaker 2: so this series Redemption ends at twenty three issues, so
Speaker 2: I have six more to be made. And like I said,
Speaker 2: just I think page one got done yesterday, issue eighteen.
Speaker 2: But the next series, Conviction Is, continues directly to it,
Speaker 2: and that's twenty four issues, and then the series after
Speaker 2: that is Resurrection and that's thirty issues. So I do
Speaker 2: have another thirty after that, but I don't I don't
Speaker 2: need to do those. Those are just bonuses. So if
Speaker 2: I could do the eighty, I'd be happy. Now. The
Speaker 2: Western I started writing two months ago and we're old
Speaker 2: already on issue fifteen writing, so but issue one comes
Speaker 2: out January, so.
Speaker 3: I don't know anyway where can everyone find them at
Speaker 3: if they're curious about them?
Speaker 2: So Kickstarter is the best place. I do have a website,
Speaker 2: but it is definitely more cost effective with cooler stuff
Speaker 2: to get a Kickstarter. The website is Worthychaoscomics dot com.
Speaker 2: But if you the simplest ways, if you go to
Speaker 2: Kickstarter and you search worthy chaos, well, the only thing
Speaker 2: that pops up, granted, like a psychopath, I've done fifteen
Speaker 2: in two years, so you go to the newest one.
Speaker 2: It's what you can only have live at one time.
Speaker 2: So you just go to which Everyone's live and sign
Speaker 2: up for that one right now. It's the most I've
Speaker 2: ever had during a pre launch issue one has two
Speaker 2: hundred and three followers. I've never had over one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty seven. It's probably due to a very expensive
Speaker 2: cover that I got from a Marvel DC artist and
Speaker 2: I'll take it. But to go to Kickstarter search worthy Cass,
Speaker 2: or you could search worthy Chaos on Facebook. I'm on there.
Speaker 2: You can search CHRISA. Grant you want to go and
Speaker 2: spell that, or I think even if you search Google,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what pops up. If you go
Speaker 2: to Google and you search worthy Chaos, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: something pops up and wherever chaos is. Yeah, the first
Speaker 2: thing that pops up is my website. The second thing
Speaker 2: that pops up is my kicks. So if you just
Speaker 2: want to go google worthy Chass, you can go to
Speaker 2: the Kickstarter, which is linked to my Facebook, so you're
Speaker 2: easy to find me through there, and I post a
Speaker 2: lot about it, and that's pretty much my whole life
Speaker 2: is talking about this freaking story. Yeah, but definitely go
Speaker 2: check it out the January sixth. It's going to be
Speaker 2: live January sixth through I mean good that January twenty fourth,
Speaker 2: so you'll have three weeks to buy it's going to
Speaker 2: have the Redemption in there too. I have two hardcovers out.
Speaker 2: They equal twelve issues. Super easy to catch up with
Speaker 2: that series. I think it's like fifty nine bucks and
Speaker 2: you get four hundred and twenty two pages and twelve issues,
Speaker 2: so you could do that if you love merch. I
Speaker 2: think so issue one. Every issue is going to have
Speaker 2: new plushies. Whatever Cryptid was in the background. The first
Speaker 2: three issues are more they're in the background, and then
Speaker 2: they start to interact with them. I think issue four
Speaker 2: has the Wumpus Cat and then issue five is like
Speaker 2: a new Windego. So I think issue one is going
Speaker 2: to be Bigfoot Windego and our rat Apollo will be
Speaker 2: We'll be in there, and then they will have the
Speaker 2: anyone that watches Supernatural, We're gonna have a journal. You
Speaker 2: can collect the journal pages. Hopefully that works out. I'm
Speaker 2: still working on those and keep up with that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: check us out hopefully when this is live. So it
Speaker 2: should be live right now if you're listening and go
Speaker 2: check out this.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at my schedule right now. This will drop
Speaker 3: on January seventh, so yeah, it should be live for
Speaker 3: anyone out there listening.
Speaker 2: So go to a kickstarter so it's worthy chaos and
Speaker 2: go to your heart's content and get some some Always
Speaker 2: check add ons, check the tears. Most people have five tiers.
Speaker 2: I have like forty. So just take a half hour
Speaker 2: of your time and go find some cool merch because
Speaker 2: it's there, so you would never know. I'm in dependent
Speaker 2: in debt creator, but there I am.
Speaker 3: For anyone out there listening, make sure to go and
Speaker 3: check it.
Speaker 2: Out because yes, please, I want to.
Speaker 3: Support support your local cryptid artist out there trying to
Speaker 3: write stories for you.
Speaker 2: Definitely, thanks for having me on though. This was a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a problem. Thanks for coming on here tonight
Speaker 3: I talk about me. It's been a pleasure. And for
Speaker 3: anyone out there listening, thanks for listening. And we're gonna
Speaker 3: roll on out so we'll check you on the next one.
Speaker 3: And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys
Speaker 3: enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a
Speaker 3: guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to
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Speaker 1: Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule
Speaker 1: for a future episode, and just remember the truth lies,
Speaker 1: and the stories we share, the connections we make. Stay
Speaker 1: curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on
Speaker 1: this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, seeking, and
Speaker 1: keep exploring the unknown.
Speaker 3: Good Night, everyone seems hot.
Speaker 5: Tales and the headphones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's times to rock.
Speaker 5: Got a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk,
Speaker 5: big Foot talk man. They're out there in the dark,
Speaker 5: but the truth is out there liking me.
Speaker 2: It spark.
Speaker 5: UFO sightings, got the whole.
Speaker 2: World shook.
Speaker 4: Conspiracies on phones like a story in a book. Me
Speaker 4: Control trying to keep us by. We're all gonna use the.
Speaker 3: Whole mind in history.
Speaker 4: They don't want us to know the secrets they hide
Speaker 4: since they won't show. Son. They not society. They keep
Speaker 4: us in chase.
Speaker 5: But saying, Tom, it's time to break the reins.
Speaker 4: H m hm. Control trying to keep us fine, but
Speaker 4: I'm alone before we're going to use my mind.
Speaker 2: In history.
Speaker 4: It wants to know the secrets that hide since they
Speaker 4: will show.
Speaker 5: So they do.
Speaker 4: Society, they keep us in chase.
Speaker 5: I'm saying it's all this sound to break the reins.