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Speaker 1: Jim was great, by the way, Yes, he's awesome.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in. It's Wednesday, It's time for full

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court press. We were just talking backstage about how great

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Jim Root was yesterday filling in for me. So shout

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out to Jim for holding down the fort. He did great.

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He gave out South Carolina rob. I already see the comments,

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so I got to pop in here. Yes, I ruined

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the parlay with Marist. I was in traffic when I

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texted that, so I had no analysis, but everything checked out,

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Like all of the sort of info I had on

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that game checked out.

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Speaker 3: Georgia Tech the big reason I like that.

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Speaker 2: So I mean not that this does you any good now,

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but I guess I'll quickly say the reason I liked

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Maris at seven and a half last night, I had

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pretty good intel that in Dongo was going to remain

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out for Georgia Tech. He did, and I thought without

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him it would be a good matchup for Marris defense,

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which is very good and credit to Georgia Tech. They

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put up eighty seven points eight for eleven from three.

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They shot nearly sixty fifty eight percent from the field.

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I just got to tip my cap there. I mean,

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that's just a that's just much better than I thought

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Georgia Tech could muster up without one of their biggest

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offensive threats.

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Speaker 3: So sorry for ruining the parlay.

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Speaker 2: But again, Jim did great yesterday, and I'll promote like

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the whole way I made this show up. Like before

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the season, I talked to the Three Man Weave guys

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and I said, Hey, are you guys doing a weekday

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show because they haven't done it the last couple of years,

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and they said, no, we've got other stuff going on.

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We're just gonna keep our best Bet show on Saturday.

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And I always like their chat mob portion of the show.

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So the way they do their show, they have an outline,

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they go to a chat break where they just rapid

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fire questions and then they go back to the outline.

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And I was like, I asked them, I said, can

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I just steal the chat mob idea and do a

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full show like that? And they were like, yeah, go

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for it. So that's kind of where I got the

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idea for this. But Jim still does a show with

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Kai and Matty Cox on Saturdays for an hour, So

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if you're looking for more Jim route Saturday morning, I

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think They do like their show at eleven am right

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up until the noon tip offs, so check that out.

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And yeah, it was great to have him fill in.

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Rob Bino, you came through with your leg at the

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parlay as well, so congrats on that. Over I hit

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my client playing Canisius. I have four straight winning days.

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Someone's like Trig's ice cold. I've not won four straight days.

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So you're gonna have to go back to last week

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for the ice cold, Trig, because we got four winning

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days in.

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Speaker 3: A row and we're gonna try to do it again

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here today.

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Speaker 2: So Rob, welcome in, and I think we should kick

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off with Vandy Memphis.

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Speaker 3: This feels like the biggest game of the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably. I mean, for what it's worth, there's three

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teams in college basketball out of the Power five or

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whatever you want to label him as Power four, power five,

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it doesn't matter. Vanderbilt, Oklahoma State, and Michigan where through

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ten ten or so games this season, I think I

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have been extremely impressed and may be surprised by their

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offensive output. Oklahoma State was not this type of offensive

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team for the last couple of years. Michigan's scoring one

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hundred a night. You're like, who the heck is that

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in Mason Blue. That's Michigan now. And Vandy has just

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been an offensive juggernaut all season long. And I don't

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want to sell them short because going through their numbers

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this morning, they've been solid defensively too. I'll start with this,

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the strength of schedule is certainly in favor of Memphis

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as of this point. However, Vandy's played VCU Saint Mary's

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in SMU in three of their last four, not exactly slouches,

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and come through with huge wins overall three really not

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even close. Vanderbilt now, it's still undefeated offensively did the job.

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ninety six neutral, that's a big deal. So I find

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it hard to see Memphis containing Vanderbilt here today, despite

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the fact that Memphis has the home floor. Vandy not

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necessarily a team that's been in a lot of true

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road games so far this season UCF aside from that,

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all Neutrals in home, so it'll be a different deal

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for Vandy to go on the road play Memphis here.

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But I don't see their offense being stopped at them.

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talent strong schedule, have not come up big and hardly

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any of these games other than Baylor where they beat Baylor.

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that they've played. Kind of hard to make the case

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for them here to go ahead and win this game.

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Vanderbilt sort of has the Memphis option covered. Where Memphis,

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generally speaking, would like to outrun you outscore you, not

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going to be the case against Vanderbilt here. They just

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have shot makers. Going through their numbers early this morning,

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they've shot fifty percent or better in like seven games

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already Vandy has, and they're holding opponents to seventy five

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or less in eight of those ten. That combination is

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really really good. I find it hard to poke a

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weakness in Vanderbilt so far. We'll see if on the

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road against a team like Memphis that can hit the glass,

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that can play up tempo, et cetera, et cetera. But

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I just think Vandy's got enough on their resume right

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now to show that they can handle this. Two things.

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I looked at their team total because I really would

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rather focus on their offensive prowess rather than try and

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lay eight points on the road Eighty two and a

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half seems like a very doable number in a game

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that won't be played in the half court for the

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most part, won't be played at a snail's pace. As

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I speak at them, we see a universal jump in

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this number to nine and a half. Bandy has now

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flown from seven and a half all the way to

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nine and a half. Total down a little bit to

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one fifty eight and a half. I think my best

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recommendation here is to stick to the team total thought

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that I had, just because Vandy has scored on everybody.

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they should get to eighty three or better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that move toward Memphis, I think they had that

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there was a couple guys at least one, and I'm

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just trying to go back into my notes that was

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questionable tonight for Memphis. I wonder if that move suggests

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that I believe it's Julius Thedford that missed the last

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couple games, So I wonder if he remains out for Memphis,

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or it's just a move toward a very good Vanderbilt team.

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Speaker 3: Rob. I think I owe Penny Hardaway an apology.

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Speaker 2: I have been critical of him in past years, not

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so much this year, but I've been critical of his

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coaching skills, and I'm gonna I'm gonna like I owe

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an apology, because yeah, he might not be the guy

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that's gonna like X and O you to death or

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draw up a player or have some like like crazy

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schematic advantage against you, but like, there's so much more

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to coaching these days than just that, and I think

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Penny Hardaway does everything else really well in terms of

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like the guys he brings into the program, the fact

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that he's loved in that city, gets his team motivated.

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underdog is very good. His teams always seem to get

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up for the for the big game. I know that

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wasn't the case over the weekend, but I didn't watch

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a ton of that game. But I think Louisville didn't

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miss against Memphis over the weekend to just.

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Speaker 3: Blow them out of the gym.

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Speaker 2: Going back to a point that you made, that that

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would be my main concern here for Memphis, and that's

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their inability to likely get a bunch of transition points

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in this game. Vandy's just not going to turn the

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ball over that there's such a good ball handling team

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they don't turn it over. And if Memphis can't get

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those like quick sort of I'll call them like athlete

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points right where they're just like able to force a turnover,

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get out and run and get an easy bucket. That way,

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I think it's going to be very difficult for them

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to beat Vanderbilt.

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of where I'm at on this one.

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I'm not going to say I agree with the move

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all the way.

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Speaker 2: Up to nine and a half. That's a pretty big number.

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But I have my reasons as to why I don't

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really want to punch back, and it really just comes

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down to Vandy. There are efficiency on offense in the

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fact that I don't think there's gonna be many easy

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points here for Memphis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would thoroughly agree. You know, Memphis just doesn't

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have anything right now, and I get the schedule's been tough,

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but they don't have any asset at them at this

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point that they can hang their hat on. They really

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have been terrific at anything, where Vanderbilt's been terrific at everything. Again,

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that comment right there is what we spoke to earlier.

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The only time they played away from home. Was against

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UCF and UCF. We're not going to put in Memphis

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category here, but Vandy did get one hundred and five

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points in that game. A lot of neutrals, a lot

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of homes. The trip again, we said it the other day,

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this is even it was. I think Knoxville to Nashville,

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Nashville to Memphis. It's a hike. It's not close, so

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it certainly is a road game. Memphis will be fired up.

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has them prepped for this, but nobody seems to have

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stopped Vandy from scoring right now. I wouldn't play against him.

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Speaker 2: You know, I haven't been to a Memphis game yet,

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but like my gut says that they don't have the

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home court edge that some of these other teams do.

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think that Vandy will have some fans there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I my gut says that that is not the biggest

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Speaker 3: I'm like a little bit less concerned.

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Speaker 2: Whereas if Vandy was going to a weird gym or

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like a much more hostile environment, I would probably say

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that okay, well, yeah, that's first true road game. But yeah,

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for some reason, and again I don't I can't speak

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from personal opinion like I can at a lot of these,

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giving as much of a bump for Memphis at home.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly not Memorial Gym right where the coaches have

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to try and shout to their teams ninety four feet away,

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that that's a much bigger home floor advantage for Bandy.

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Speaker 3: Really really good point.

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Speaker 2: I wish I didn't lose the comment here because I

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thought this was like a really good point. Someone in

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the chat and I'll find it as I scrolled through says,

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you know, fade some of these head fake moves. I've

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seen more of that in college basketball than ever. It's

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part of the reason personally, I'm like trying to bet

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a little bit later in the day. I feel like

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there's so much market manipulation going on in like the

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first you know, overnight and then the first few.

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Speaker 3: Hours of the day.

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Speaker 2: Then I find myself like kind of wanting the market

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to settle a little bit, and then if I miss

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a number, I just I miss it.

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Speaker 3: It is what it is.

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Speaker 2: These games are so volatile as it is, it's like

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I don't even really you know it like I'm having

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less fomo than ever, rob as I guess what I'm saying.

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And like, so yesterday being a perfect example, I ended

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up on Canisius plus twenty two. It was everything else

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sort of like moved out of range and Canisius was

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an easy winner the day before with Houston Christian. I've

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also been on a nice run of these like big underdogs.

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more often than not, you don't want to play them early,

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right because, like, especially during non conference play, the team

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that's the name team is likely going to take.

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Speaker 3: A little money at some point.

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Speaker 2: And there was quite a few yesterday that cashed lipscum

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Long Island at Evansville. That was one that got hit early,

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never came back Canecious. So again it's just the the uh.

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Jacob's comment just kind of you know, put that in

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my head, like, yeah, I kind of agree with that,

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and it's an interesting interesting stuff right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting about that. Real quick, Adam, is

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the first seven ten to fourteen days we did this show.

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We were seeing moves of and I'll speak from totals

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now six points, eight points, and these games were still

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getting over or under whichever way the line moves, So

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sides the end totals a little bit different with these

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head fakeers. These totals move seemed to be absolutely on point,

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but the side moves are different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point. Rob they're the totals.

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Speaker 2: It's like, if you don't get your beat down and

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it moves in the way that you wanted to move,

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it's probably not coming back, Like you're probably not going

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to get that number. Whereas I see a lot of

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like what it feels like jockeying for position in the

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market on the side where it's like it'll move, and

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then four hours later it's back where it opened, maybe

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even like has moved in the other direction. It's it's

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a really good point. I'll read this comment here before

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we move on.

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Speaker 3: Trigger.

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Speaker 2: You hit the nail right on the head. The early

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runs on lines are setups later. It settles groups manipulating

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things early. Yeah, I mean, it's harder to get down early.

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So why would they want a lot Why would groups

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trying to move significant money try to lock in their

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position early.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't make you know when they can't get as

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much down.

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Speaker 2: So I think you're seeing that more and ever, and

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it's it's probably the moral of the story is, like,

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you want to bet the game. You want to bet,

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So if that means you have to get it in early,

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then you want to get it in early. If that

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means you have to get it in late, you want

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to get it in late. I don't think you want

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to like chase a move because something is moving, and

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also it's probably gonna come back, like like, for example, yesterday,

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if you were on the other side of me and

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you like Georgia Tech, you know I got Marriston when

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we did that. You know, that's another reason I used

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Maris for the parlay. I disagreed with the move, knowing

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that they were going to be without the guy I

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thought they were going to be without. Seven and a

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halfpened into being a good number. It went back down

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to like six, but you know, you had multiple chances

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to get Georgia Tech minus five and a half or

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six yesterday.

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Speaker 3: It's good. Uh, it's just a good conversation.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know there's a trillion games today, so we'll

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we'll talk about the you know what, we'll get back

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into the game chat. Uh my segue here, Rob was

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one NBA arena to to the to another, and so

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we'll go to five serve forum here for Georgetown Marquette

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in a game that feels like both teams, both teams,

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it feels like both of these teams desperately need this game.

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The team that doesn't get this game might might spiral

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a little bit, right like just where they're they're at

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in their seasons right now, specially Marquette. Marquette loses this

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one at home, I don't know, they might. That's gonna

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be tough to balance back from the market here, Rob

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thinks Marqutte's gonna win this game three and a half

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up to now, it looks like five and a half

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some places.

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Speaker 3: How do you see this when Georgetown Marquette.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least early they think Marquett's gonna win this game,

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right Adam, to the conversation we were just having, we

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do see a surge on Marquette up to five and

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a half here. Georgetown not the strongest schedule in the

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world so far this season, but in a couple of

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key games early Adam when we were kind of, you know,

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touting maybe a good year for Georgetown. They did beat Maryland,

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they did beat Clemson. Those are big wins. Marquette, on

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the other hand, they've just been an absolute well. I

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don't want to call them a disaster, but they're just

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not good as of late. Buried by Wisconsin, buried by Purdue,

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lose to Oklahoma, lose to Maryland, lose get buried by Indiana,

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any good team they've played, lose to Dayton. They just

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have not shown up against the better competition, which would

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lead me to be on the Georgetown side. However, it

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is conference season now, and sometimes things swing once conference

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season begins. I don't know that Shaka Smart was playing

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around with his or experimenting, evaluating so to speak, early on,

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and these game results aren' indicative of what they'll be

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throughout the conference season. But off of what I've seen,

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off of what we can base a selection today on man,

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I'd rather be on Georgetown, but larger than that, I'd

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rather be on the total under in this game. Georgetown

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is a team that's really not going to get up

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and down, and Marquette is a team right now that

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doesn't shoot the ball straight. It's really hard to handicap

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a team to come out and do real well offensively

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when they just haven't shown you that so far. Marquette,

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for what it's worth, very very very uncharacteristic two hundred

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and eighty fourth in the nation in effective field goal percentage.

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You can't just can't trust the team that's going to

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play a fairly good defensive team, even if they're at home,

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to go up and score points. So you know, early

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on Ken Palm when I saw these as I saw

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his number before the openers came one point fifty, I thought, man,

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that thing's got to be played under. I still think

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I would lean that way. Aside, I'm not going to

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get into here because I don't know. I mean, I

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have a feeling mark it's just not going to be

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good this year, but I don't know it for a

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fact yet. And Georgetown has shown us a couple of

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big time victories. So for me, it would be under

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in this case. And under doesn't come out of my

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mouth much, but I like it under in this one.

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Speaker 2: So Shaka Smart has owned at Cooley since he since

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he got to the Big East, whether it be Providence

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or Georgetown, Smart has fared well. I had it written

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down here six and two Big East matchups, So you know,

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I don't know what there is if there's something to that.

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You know, I know that Georgetown probably gets beat on

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the glass here. That certainly helps Marquette, But for me personally,

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I'm not I'm kind of with the chat where it's

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like I'm not gonna lay five and a half with Marquette.

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It would only I could only play back at that,

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and I think that's the should be the probably the standard, right,

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Like that's to me, Like, so I'll just talk like

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I've had a I'm I have had a bad start

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to the college basketball season, like from up to this point,

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like I've had a couple of good days, but overall

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it's been a bad start for me.

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Speaker 3: Trying to turn that around.

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Speaker 2: One thing I have not done and what you absolutely

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cannot do, like listen, it's it's hard enough to win

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doing this as it is, Like you can't put yourself

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in a position where you lay five and a half

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and lose when you could have had three and a half.

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Speaker 3: Has not happened to me this year, Like I think

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I've only.

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Speaker 2: Been stuck with a bad number, maybe three or four

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times over like more than one hundred bets and none

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of those has cost me. And listen, you're not gonna

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get the best number every single time. It's just impossible

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almost to always just beat the marketer get the absolute

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best number. But if you're doing it most of the times,

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that's really what you want, and you can't. You just

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have to move on. Now as I speak, Georgetown gets

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hit and it's back to four and a half, and

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it's like playing out on the show, like exactly what

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we're talking about. If you like Marquette, I see that.

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Oh no, I'm sorry, that was the wrong line line.

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It was a different game, but there is still four

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and a half. The point is like not even really

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worth talking about Marquette at this point for me, because

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there's no way I would ever lay minus five and

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a half when I could have had the opener. So

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I guess if you like the number, Georgetown, but there's

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some matchup advantages here in my opinion for Marquette, and

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the fact that that Shaka has done well against Cooley

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is going to keep me off, especially with Marquette at

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home in what feels like a big home spot for them.

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Speaker 1: One thing I'll add real quick here, Adam is any

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Shaka smart team thrives off of forcing turnovers, and Georgetown,

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for what it's worth, has the second best turnover rate

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in the country. They just don't turn the ball over.

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And if you can't turn them over and Marquette can't

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transition into easy points, any Shaka smart offense doesn't thrive

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in that situation. They chuck a lot of threes, they

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don't make a lot of threes. Fundamentally, they're just not

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a good basketball team. How they perform once the conference

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season starts, we'll see and maybe you know, in Ed

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Cooley's defense, he's had providence in Georgetown, and really those

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personnel matchups haven't stacked up in his favor against what

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Shaka smartest had at Marquett. So we'll see if the

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coaching edge continues. But I would think this game stays

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under the number in this one.

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Speaker 3: To carp corpse question.

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Speaker 2: Quick, does public consensus of your effect you're handicapping for me?

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Not really not at this point, the reason being, like now,

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in football, it definitely I'll definitely take it into consideration

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when I'm betting a football game because the handle is

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so much bigger, right, So it's like when you're dealing

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with like NFL type handle, then yeah, like you're gonna

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have to start taking public perception into into the equation

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because the line is going to be probably shaded more

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so in that direction. I feel like March Madness, it

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really starts to matter a little bit because those games

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get football game type handles. But at this time of year,

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like you know, public perception, I don't think it's going

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to really have much bearing. And let's say Arkansas State,

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Texas State, like you know something like that. What like

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some of these other games, like they're just not getting

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the handle in my opinion, to for the like the

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public to really matter and the books if they get

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burned on like the public like loading up on one

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side and let's say Sianna Vermont like something that's on

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extra board, they're they're just not taking enough money on

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it for them to even care. So I would say

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more to answer your question, No, unless it's like the

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feature matchup where it's like a top ten matchup and

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you know that every maybe it's like Big Monday rob right,

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like where there's not many games and you've got this

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like a big time standalone game out of like the

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Big twelve and then like that's what everyone is looking

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at for the night. Other than that, my answer to

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that question is no, I don't know. If you want

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to throw something on that too.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say real quick as in every day better

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for you know, I've been in this industry since nineteen

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ninety two, so thirty three years worth of kind of

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what you would call professional betting. And one thing I

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had to learn at him was when you know and

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every better who's in this three hundred and sixty five

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days a year making wages, you run into a cold streak.

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And one thing I had to learn is that when

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you run cold, I would kind of start to be

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affected by line most If I like the other side

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and I see the game move, I'm like, damn, I'm

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wrong again. But you have to learn in this business

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that you have to thoroughly either trust your process what

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you handicap the game to be and not again. I

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learned a long time ago from a guy who told me,

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if you play these line moves, you become a fifty

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to fifty better. You've talked about market manipulation earlier in

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this show. It really does go on. I don't pay

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attention too much to consensus anymore. In fact, I'll tell

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you what, on the odds services that we use, you

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can always find eighty percent this, you know sixty five

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percent that I don't even pay attention to those things that.

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I don't know where those ticke accounts come from. I

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don't know where that money handle comes from. Who's who's

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being used to record that data, So I really don't

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pay attention anymore whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: All right, Garth, thank you for the donation. Much appreciated,

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he says.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts on the Northern Kentucky Oakland game, He's leaning northern

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at home therefore, and against the spread at home. Garth,

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I'm kind of with you here now. When I made

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my numbers this morning, my number tilted toward Oakland a

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little bit. But I think Oakland is going to have

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a pretty key injury tonight that would like sort of

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make me have to go back and figure out just

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how many points I attribute to this person. And if

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that's the case, I might be on Northern Kentucky with you.

475
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,160
I think it was minus I don't know if you

476
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,759
have a number for this one right there, Rob, but

477
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,799
I believe it was like one and a half earlier

478
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,480
when I saw this and I just want to you know,

479
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,559
so the.

480
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: Just trying to find my injury notes are all over

481
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:56,759
the place.

482
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: Real quick looking to open three minutes out to two

483
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:01,000
and a half.

484
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So I believe Northern Kentucky is a slight favorite,

485
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:06,960
right is that what you have right there?

486
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: Yes?

487
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: See, Now that makes sense like if there was no

488
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,559
injuries in this game, that move would make sense, Like

489
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,680
I I would if you were if Oakland plus three,

490
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,839
I would expect that to move back toward pick because

491
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,839
I think in most people's power ratings, you're probably almost

492
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:27,799
everyone's gonna have Oakland a little bit higher.

493
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 3: I would say most people don't attribute.

494
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,839
Speaker 2: A ton of home court to Northern Kentucky, though Garth

495
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,160
makes a good point that they have they have covered

496
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,079
every spread at home this year. But it looks like

497
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,440
na Seme mesh Hour is going to be out for

498
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:46,920
Oakland And that was that was something I jotted down

499
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,680
as you know, being a being a pretty key injury

500
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,079
for them, one of their you know, six six kind

501
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,319
of I think he kind of plays at the three

502
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,559
a little bit. But you know, in in a game

503
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,480
that you got two teams that are kind of similar,

504
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,079
both like the both play zone both kind of like

505
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,119
I feel like they're almost somewhat not mirror images of

506
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:12,519
each other.

507
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:13,599
Speaker 3: But it's weird.

508
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,279
Speaker 2: A lot of those teams in the horizon are are

509
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,880
very constructed, very similar.

510
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,559
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know what there is

511
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:19,880
to that.

512
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: Maybe they all get together before the season they're like,

513
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,680
we're gonna build our teams all the same way. But

514
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,119
you know that to me, them having to go on

515
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,319
the road being down a starter, I kind of looked

516
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,519
at that game and said, Northern Kentucky, this is probably

517
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,960
a good spot for them to get another win, and

518
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:38,960
they have been good at home.

519
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,599
Speaker 3: So Garth, I'm I'm not gonna bet against you.

520
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,559
Speaker 2: Not something that's made in my card yet, but I

521
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:46,599
did have Northern Kentucky jotted down as an option, Rob,

522
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:49,039
Do you have anything side or total for Garth.

523
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: I would agree with it Northern Kentucky for a couple

524
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,640
of reasons, and I would almost In fact, I've looked

525
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,599
at Northern Kentucky's team total here. It's interesting to me

526
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,279
that Darren Horn, a longtime college coach, has picked this

527
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,000
year to decide that he's going to run. Their tempo

528
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,119
numbers are way up this year, especially on the offensive end.

529
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,279
They go quick. There's some differences here though. Northern Kentucky

530
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,559
very good at forcing turnovers. Oakland does not force turnovers

531
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:24,200
wellten talk about Greg Campy and these funky types of

532
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:27,480
zones that he'll throw at teams. All that aside, they

533
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,640
haven't stopped anybody from shooting well this year. They give

534
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,880
up threes, they give up twos. Where Northern Kentucky's at

535
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,680
at least they force turnovers, the other side does not.

536
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,519
You're at home, you can force some turnovers. It's going

537
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:41,400
to be a fast paced game. And the last thing

538
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,400
I'll say here is when you were talking about these

539
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,480
two teams playing zone. Teams get off shots very very

540
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,319
quickly against Oakland, which plays into Northern Kentucky's hands. They

541
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,799
want to get up and down the floyd. They want

542
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:58,079
to shoot quick, they want to score quick and k you.

543
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,400
On the other hand, they slow people down. The transition

544
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,440
defense has to be very very solid if you believe

545
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,400
any analytical numbers which say that they force teams into

546
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,599
the three hundred and forty fourth slowest average length of possession.

547
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,319
So you come down against your Oakland, you come down

548
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,200
against Northern Kentucky. There might not be a lot of

549
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,279
quick easy looks. There will be on the other side.

550
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,839
The other side forces turnovers, they shoot it well. A

551
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,559
lot of the offensive numbers are mirror images. I don't know,

552
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:29,559
you're at home only laying two and a half. To me,

553
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,000
it seems like Darren Horn unlike a lot of coaches

554
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,119
that will take their personnel and jam the square peg

555
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,359
into the round hole because they play a certain way.

556
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:43,920
It seems like Darren Horne has taking this personnel and

557
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,279
play to their strengths and going with an up tempo

558
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,440
style this year. So I would like that side under

559
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,599
a three pointer only laying two and a half. I

560
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,680
also think their team total might get up and over.

561
00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the player in question of Nash got hurt

562
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,519
in the game. So I actually had Oakland two games

563
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:08,200
ago when they played Toledo, and I think he got

564
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,359
hurt around the six minute mark or that's when he

565
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,000
maybe left the game. I don't think Oakland got to

566
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,200
stop the rest of the game. Somehow they won ninety

567
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000
eight ninety seven. It was a crazy game, but they

568
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Toledo just made every shot they got whenever they wanted,

569
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,079
and that's like not really characteristic toward you know, to

570
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,839
that Oakland team and the next timeout. Last time out

571
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,759
for them without him was probably their worst probably their

572
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,799
worst game. Well, I would say losing to Eastern Michigan

573
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,079
is probably worse. But just sixty three points against Northern

574
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,359
Iowa last time out. So Garth, I'm not I'm not

575
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,960
going to disagree with you. I think you're probably looking

576
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,880
at the right side with Northern Kentucky right there. Oh,

577
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,359
I got a We'll get to a couple here. So Steve,

578
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:03,920
I'm gonna go to this one first. He says, Well, Shase, Steve,

579
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,519
I'll come back to your other one. But I see

580
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:09,200
you agreeing. So Shane says, Arizona State plus eight and

581
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,119
a half is a lock is a look? Sorry, Yeah,

582
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,160
we don't say lock on the show, Rob, nothing's a lock.

583
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,400
We know that is a look.

584
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,759
Speaker 3: I watched every.

585
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: Possession of that UCLA gon Zaga game over the weekend,

586
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,480
and there was UCLA playing more zone. I thought they

587
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,839
might do that. I had UCLA plus ten in that game.

588
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,720
I ended up pushing. I felt like I felt like

589
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:36,519
I deserved to win. I feel like if they knocked

590
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,839
down a free throw or two at the end, they're

591
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,720
going to cover that ten they came back to, I believe,

592
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,160
take a lead, tied or in the lead with like

593
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,079
maybe ten minutes to go in that game. Point is,

594
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,599
I feel like this sort of zone that Mick Cronin

595
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,640
has now played pretty much since the Washington game is.

596
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:58,039
Speaker 3: Been good for them.

597
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:02,519
Speaker 2: I worked against Oregon, worked against Washington, and it really

598
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,160
like did work against Gonzaga, even though they lost the

599
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,440
game by ten, Like they for the most part held

600
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:12,759
their own with Gonzaga and you know, got enough stops

601
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,039
to get back in the game. And that game, like listen,

602
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,720
Donovan Dent missed like five file shots, Billy Doo missed

603
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,319
a file shot.

604
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,799
Speaker 3: Like the way that game played out at the.

605
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: End was just you know, a couple possessions here there,

606
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,200
Gonzaga hits a big shot and suddenly they're up ten.

607
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:31,119
The point is, I was very impressed with UCLA, and

608
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,799
I look at this Arizona State team and think that, like,

609
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:39,240
if UCLA comes out and plays defensively they have the

610
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,920
last couple of games, plays like they did against Gonzaga,

611
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,519
goes to that zone and forces Arizona State to shoot

612
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,720
a lot of outside shots and threes that that's a

613
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,839
favorable situation for UCLA. So the number might feel big,

614
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,319
but I actually would look the other way. I'd be

615
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,119
looking at the Bruins right here, and I may lay

616
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,119
it with the Bruins because I just think that if

617
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,880
if Arizona can't solve this sort of new zone that

618
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,400
they're playing, that might be a double digit Ruins win.

619
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:08,599
How are you seeing Ucla Arizona State tonight, Robin.

620
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this as somebody as well who saw

621
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:17,079
the Gonzaga Ucla game the other day. The problem for UCLA,

622
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,759
obviously was the Gonzaga bigs. E k went crazy in

623
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:24,839
that game. Huff was very good as well. They just

624
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,240
couldn't handle him. And on the other side, maybe Billadeau

625
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,480
missed a free throw, but Billadeau was keeping them in

626
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,799
the game for quite a while, hitting threes, scoring like crazy.

627
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,160
He was upset a couple times when he thought he

628
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,319
was fouled. Maybe, so they played well enough. To your point,

629
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:43,480
they were in that game almost the entire way, and

630
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:48,000
Gonzaga stretched it out in the end to get that

631
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:50,079
ten point victor. I think it was even more than ten.

632
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,279
At one point. Ucla knocked it down a little bit

633
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,759
but I still don't We've talked about him a lot,

634
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Donovan Dent. I still don't think he's being utilized the

635
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,400
right way on this team. You have to let him

636
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:05,319
at Billadeau. To me, in that game, Tyler Biladot just

637
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:10,200
needed somebody to help, and we'll see if that develops

638
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,759
with UCLA. But the point here is that I don't

639
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,160
think they're gonna have Arizona State's got size in that

640
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,160
starting front line, but it's not e K and Huff.

641
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,559
Those two guys are pretty special offensively, and I don't

642
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,079
see that from Arizona State. ASU has been a solid

643
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,200
three point shooting team for most of the season. I think,

644
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,519
in my opinion, that Mick Cronin and his defense can

645
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,839
handle that a lot better than if you're gonna destroy

646
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,640
them on the interior. So maybe Arizona State's style plays

647
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,440
into UCLA's hands a little bit. I would say I

648
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,559
don't trust their offense enough to lay it with them

649
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,319
at this point in time. I really need to see

650
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,759
a secondary scorer here that's gonna come through night and

651
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,200
night out. Billadoh is without question the lead guy on

652
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,319
this team, so we'll see. I think it might be

653
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,480
too much for me to lay. I certainly don't want

654
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,480
to take it because I don't think Arizona State has

655
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:06,039
the assets that Gonzaga had on the interior, and Gonzaga

656
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,920
had a rough time on their home floor with the

657
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,920
UCLA could get high scoring here, Adham, we'll see. I

658
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,400
mean Mick Cronin is known for defense. Bobby Hurley's team

659
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,079
pushes pace and shoots street we'll see. But I don't

660
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:19,920
have a real good feel side or total here.

661
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

662
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,079
Speaker 2: I went back to my notes and had Maui rims

663
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,360
with a question mark next to Arizona State being the

664
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,760
twenty second rank three point shooting team in the country

665
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,039
thirty nine point two percent. Of course, they had the

666
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,039
benefit of playing three games out in Maui where every

667
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,440
shot went in, So you know, do what you will

668
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,400
with that, I would agree. So, first of all, great

669
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,760
point on Ek. Not only did he I mean he

670
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,599
was making impossible shots. Guys are hanging on him in

671
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,559
the lane and he was like finishing high off the

672
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,960
glass with two dudes hanging on him. It was like

673
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:59,639
he closed out that game for Gonzaga, like so impressive.

674
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:03,320
And you know, I think the final score is deceiving

675
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,480
right there. I felt like Ucla pretty much hung with

676
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,039
them every step of the way.

677
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

678
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, Cronin wants Donovan Dent to be like

679
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,519
a point guard, like a true point guard, and that's like,

680
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,280
I don't think that that's his bet. Like I think

681
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,360
you just have to let him ball out, like kind

682
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,119
of like New Mexico did where it was like, you know,

683
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,639
you give him the give him free rate, just let

684
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,000
him go do whatever he wants like that. That's how

685
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:27,960
he's going to be at his best. But you know,

686
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,840
last game ten assists. That's great, but kind of like

687
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,519
you're saying, I don't think. I don't think they're getting

688
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:37,440
the full Donovan Dent experience right now, which is a problem.

689
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,960
You made Another point that I think is probably what

690
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:44,400
decides this game and what also would tilt it into

691
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,039
the favor of you know, Ucla, is that like right now,

692
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,280
Ucla can't rebound at all, like if you And that's

693
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,639
another area where Gonzaga just ended up asserting themselves and

694
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,760
pushing that lead out to ten. Ucla can't get a

695
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,800
bull to save their lives, and neither can Arizona State.

696
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,920
So it's like if Arizona State can't take advantage of

697
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,199
what's clearly UCLA's biggest weakness right now, that's.

698
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: A little bit of a concern to me.

699
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,639
Speaker 2: But the great equalizer there might be the point spread,

700
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:18,039
rob and so who knows. Eight and a half definitely

701
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,920
a bigger number, but I don't know. I'm a I'm

702
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,760
still a believer in this UCLA team and it probably

703
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,719
more than probably more than most. And it looks like

704
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,519
this is another one that open nine and a half,

705
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:32,199
down to eight and a.

706
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: Half coming back to nine places, so we will see.

707
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick time, right, Adam. I don't know who

708
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,000
the analyst might have been Don McClain that night, I

709
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:46,239
forget who it was, but he actually made the point

710
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,000
to what you were saying. Says, you know what mc

711
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,159
cronin wants for Christmas right now? He wants a defensive rebound.

712
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,360
They could not get one in that game. It was crazy.

713
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you could argue that like the playing that

714
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,320
zone makes it a little bit tougher to get rebounds,

715
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,039
like it's gonna be harder for them to rebound out

716
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:09,239
of his own but it's yeah, that should be I'll

717
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,280
tell you what, that that team should be a lot

718
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,760
better than they are but I always think Cronin is

719
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,639
slow rolling everyone with the way he complains and the

720
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,400
way he's like, you know, it's like it's like, I

721
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,239
want to know how much of this is like an

722
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,519
act goes in. He's like, we just don't, you know,

723
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:26,519
So you bring up his quotes all the time.

724
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: They're out of control.

725
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,559
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, part of he thinks it's like,

726
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,159
you know, he's putting on a show, kind of like

727
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:34,760
last year.

728
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,679
Speaker 3: But who knows.

729
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: All right, Steve, I'll go we'll talk about this one

730
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,000
huge game for Sianna tonight. I can't remember the last

731
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,800
time that they sort of had a non conference game

732
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,800
of this magnitude.

733
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: Uh, probably because.

734
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:56,159
Speaker 2: They haven't really been good in a while, like this good.

735
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:59,199
I think nine and two is their best start in

736
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,360
best start through eleven games and in a very long time.

737
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,280
I don't have the you know and say, you got

738
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,559
to take some of that with a grain of salt,

739
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,360
like there was there was better Sienna teams that just

740
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,199
played some Power Conference teams early and didn't start nine

741
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:16,159
and two. But the Saints nine and two, I was

742
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,880
their two losses on the road to Saint Bonaventure, which

743
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,079
is like not a bad loss, and they lost their

744
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:26,519
their big to a concussion in that game and they

745
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,679
really needed him in that game. And then the game

746
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:34,159
I went to earlier this year where Cox from Colgate

747
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:36,519
banged a fifty footer to win at the buzzer from

748
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,679
half court. The only two losses for Cienna this year. Now,

749
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,760
you could argue that the schedule has been quite easy

750
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,239
of late, a bunch of games that they should have

751
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,239
won and did either at home or down in DC

752
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,639
as part of like an MTE. So there's those two things.

753
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,119
Vermont is probably their toughest opponent, no, not, probably Vermont

754
00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:03,400
is their toughest opponent since the Colgate Bonaventure games were

755
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960
back to back earlier this year. I can tell you

756
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,320
from experience that Burlington is a very tough place to

757
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,079
go and play and get a win. I can also

758
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,679
tell you that Sienna is getting healthy. They should have

759
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,360
Tasman Goodrick back here. And Riley Mulvey, who was the

760
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:22,559
was the seven footer that they got from Iowa a

761
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,320
little gift from Fran McCaffrey. He's a local guy that

762
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,599
went to play for Fran and when Fran went to

763
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,400
Penn they kind of worked it out. So he could

764
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,400
come home and finish his career at Sienna. He was

765
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,360
the guy that got concussed in that Bonaventure game, and

766
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,960
that's where Bonaventure crushed Sienna was at the Rim. They

767
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,239
really needed him in that game. He's going to travel.

768
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,280
I don't know if he's going to play tonight or not,

769
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,440
but the fact that he's making the trip is encouraging.

770
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,679
And the other thing is, I mean, Vermont is probably

771
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,320
not gonna test you at the Rim like a team

772
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,519
like Saint Bonaventure would. And you know, Kasma good Rick,

773
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,440
he actually did come back for the Niagara.

774
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: And Kenisi's games played limited minutes.

775
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,079
Speaker 2: But if he's back to his full sort of like

776
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,000
thirty minutes a game, he's gonna be one of the

777
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:15,440
better players in the conference this year. So all of

778
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,800
those things make me think that there's a positive outlook

779
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,599
here for Sienna. But this is still Vermont. It's still

780
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,239
in Burlington, and that's still a very good Vermont team.

781
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,320
So Steve, I don't know, this is a tough This

782
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,199
is a.

783
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,599
Speaker 3: As a fan.

784
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't wait to watch this game, but man,

785
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,360
I don't know if I I don't know if I

786
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,119
want to go against Vermont on their home court, small gym,

787
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,599
should be a great atmosphere. The locals come out for

788
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,199
that team, so even if the kids aren't there, it

789
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:46,400
doesn't matter. I've been to Vermont games middle of December

790
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,320
before it'll be It'll be all locals, So should be

791
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,199
a good one tonight. Steve says, Vermont eight and zero

792
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,840
against Sienna, Maybe maybe a pass. Yeah, they they have

793
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,119
owned Sienna, but to Vermont's credit, they almost always have

794
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:01,639
a better like They're almost always favored, so this might

795
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:04,159
be one of the better chances Sianna's had to get

796
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:05,840
a win over them in recent years.

797
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: I wish I had more.

798
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,039
Speaker 2: I feel like anything else that comes out of my

799
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,239
mouth right now, Rob might be a little bit biased.

800
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,920
So I'm gonna go to you and see you if

801
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
you have an unbiased take in this Vermonciana game.

802
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,519
Speaker 1: I don't have an unbiased take, but at ten forty two,

803
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,119
I'm gonna go ahead and get my parlay leg out

804
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:28,440
of the way here, Adam. Unfortunately for us here it

805
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:32,719
does appear as if I'm having a little difficulty with

806
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,639
the current odds screen. See if I could pull it up.

807
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,760
But my choices were plenty today of which game, But

808
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,119
I really wanted to state the obvious and place South

809
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,119
Florida Alabama over the total to Alabama, and obviously Nat

810
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,760
Oates probably wants to put the assistant Bryan Hodgson in

811
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,039
his place. I could see it happening. There's been some

812
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,960
movement towards South Florida. Second look was towards the Cincinnati

813
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,400
team total for what it's worth against Alabama State shook

814
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,400
that off and went with one of the highest ones

815
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,119
on the board. But I can see will Wade and

816
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,000
company putting one hundred on Texas Southern tonight. Texas Southern again.

817
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,159
We talked about Johnny Jones, and we talked about a

818
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,840
lot of swack teams that just played these ridiculously hard

819
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,320
non conference roads schedules. Johnny Jones, to me, seems like

820
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,639
he was the inventor of this. His team paying the price,

821
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,480
obviously in a big way, just getting slammed every time

822
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,679
they take the floor against teams gave up one on

823
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,920
nine to Vanderbilt, just recently gave up eighty nine to

824
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Nico Meddad's Minnesota team lose by thirty six in that

825
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,639
one come that came off the heels of a couple

826
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:50,760
of home games and back to the road here for

827
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,960
NC State, and you have to tread somewhat lightly and

828
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:58,320
treat these as situational games. For NC State, there's a

829
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,119
game with Mississippi on deck, which could be taken a

830
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:05,360
lot more seriously than this one is going to be taken. However,

831
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,320
NC State's also off of that overtime lost to Kansas

832
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,280
where Will Wade's not a guy to play thirty six

833
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,000
minutes and take the foot off the gas. Their team

834
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,000
total here is ninety six and a half. I need

835
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,800
ninety seven to win this one. I'm pretty positive they're

836
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,000
going to hang one hundred on Texas Southern here, which

837
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:29,519
is really defenseless to stop NC State in anything they

838
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,639
want to do offensively. And what makes it worse is

839
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:38,239
that team's average possession length against Texas Southern. It's the

840
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,880
second fastest tempo in the country. That's exactly what NC

841
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:48,639
State wants to do upscore. I could consider isolating it,

842
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:50,920
Adam and trying to play a first half team total

843
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,880
with NC State. I'm not going to argue anybody off

844
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,480
of that. If you fear that NC State's going to

845
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,519
let off the gas last six to seven minutes of

846
00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:59,880
the game and put the reserves in and maybe not

847
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,679
score as much. That's certainly a route to go. Those

848
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,599
numbers aren't as readily available. Otherwise I would probably use that.

849
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,159
Like for myself, i'd probably bet that, But for purposes

850
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,199
of the show and numbers that are universally available, I'm

851
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,360
going to play NC State team total over ninety six

852
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,119
and a half. We're going to need ninety seven to

853
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,679
get there. But again, it looks like a game where

854
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,519
Will Wade's team is going to get to one hundred

855
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:27,559
and maybe they get free pizza or donuts or hot

856
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:29,960
dogs down there and Raleigh if the team gets to

857
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,000
one hundred, I'm not sure.

858
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:36,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, pree cookout maybe Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that

859
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,400
was sorry. I just want to make sure I got

860
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,280
the number right. So you're going NC State team total

861
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,039
and what was the number you got it at again?

862
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: Right?

863
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,199
Speaker 1: Ninety six and a.

864
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:51,079
Speaker 3: Half minus one ten on that.

865
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: I think it was even juice to the under Adam.

866
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Let me just the screen has just come back up

867
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,079
for me. It was down for a second. So this

868
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:04,239
number currently sits. This is an early game NC State

869
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,840
to the added board. Actually, because it's Texas Southern. Yet

870
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,760
ninety six and a half. The consensus number is minus

871
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,360
one ten, so we can roll with that.

872
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: Yep, all right, ninety six and a half. NC State

873
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,119
putting it on Texas Southern, can't. I have nothing really

874
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:26,920
to add. I wouldn't.

875
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,159
Speaker 2: I wouldn't fade will Wade in this kind of spot

876
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,119
at home, just like, you know, running it up on

877
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:35,000
a team that he can run it up on, especially

878
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000
the way this season is gone, where you know, it

879
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,039
feels like he could kind of use one of those

880
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,719
at this point. Going back to that Siana game for

881
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,000
a second, I mean, listen it, Vermont doesn't.

882
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: Their home court.

883
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: Edge is not big enough for this to just steam

884
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,039
into oblivion like if CIA. I mean, I see Siana

885
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:59,079
plus three someplaces. I don't think Vermont is better than

886
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:00,639
Sienna this year. I want, I want to make that

887
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:03,320
point very clear. I would say that these two teams

888
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,360
are probably pretty equal right now. I think Vermont is

889
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,280
the best team in the America East and what is

890
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,599
going to be a down America East this year. So

891
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,760
remember go back to last year, like Vermont took a

892
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,559
pretty big step back last season, and I so my

893
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,400
gut tells me that they are the best of a

894
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,000
worst group this year, and.

895
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,559
Speaker 3: They maybe get a little love for that.

896
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, if that's going to keep steaming,

897
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,159
I'll take a stand and say, like I would punch

898
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,159
back as soon as Sianna three or better is probably

899
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:38,360
a decent bet there, because those two teams are I

900
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,159
wouldn't say Vermonta's is better than Sienna this year. I

901
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:44,840
think they're pretty even. Both have redeeming qualities and good

902
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,320
rick back and being healthy is massive for Sienna. So

903
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,559
but I'm not gonna put that in the parlay. I

904
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,599
will find I'll find something else. We still have twelve minutes.

905
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:55,960
I'm kind of mulling over, like what I want to

906
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,280
use to the parlay leg I'm walking stuff in later

907
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,320
by design. Right now it's worked for me. So I

908
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,519
don't have any client plays locked in just yet. That's

909
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:06,960
why I don't have a client play to give you

910
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:07,480
just yet.

911
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,559
Speaker 3: But I'll you know, we got ten more minutes.

912
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: I'll have one. Uh, I'll have one ready to go.

913
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,239
Let's see, let's go back to let's go back to

914
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,679
the chat.

915
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: Actually, this is this is an intriguing game.

916
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,519
Speaker 2: I feel like we should hit another big East contest

917
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,440
Xavier Creighton. A couple of weeks ago, Rob I would

918
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,440
have said, oh, these two teams, they're both both a disaster.

919
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 3: Like I want no part of either.

920
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: But I've got to be honest, I'm kind of impressed

921
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,199
with what Richard Patino has done of late.

922
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: I feel like he.

923
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: Is from where Xavier was the first couple of weeks

924
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,480
of the season to what they've looked like the last

925
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,760
couple of times out Like, just tip the cap to

926
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,679
Richard Patino. I feel like he's come a long way

927
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,760
with this team already in a year where it's kind

928
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,559
of known, like he you know that they don't have

929
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,239
a ton of talent, Like I feel like he's almost eluded,

930
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:03,960
you know, alluded to it being more of a rebuilding year.

931
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,800
But I'm almost willing to say Xavier is a little

932
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,880
bit of ahead of schedule at this point all of

933
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,480
a sudden, you know, when they're they're with the way

934
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:16,599
they've played the last month, and Creighton is I don't know, man,

935
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,199
the Creighton could be bad, Like they could just be bad.

936
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:26,199
Speaker 3: They they they've looked awful. So Creighton Xavier believe this

937
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,639
is at centas center. What do you make of this matchup.

938
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think honestly that they haven't gotten beyond I'm

939
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,280
speaking of Creighton here. They haven't gotten beyond the losses

940
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,199
of Calkbrenner and Ashworth, the two who carried the team

941
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,840
last year right point guard and center. It's like coach

942
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,119
McDermott just can't find solid replacements, or at least I

943
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,960
shouldn't say solid, because those guys were I mean Calbrenners

944
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,119
in the NBA contributing. Ashworth was an excellent college point guard,

945
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:57,960
ball handling and three point shooting, et cetera. They just

946
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,440
haven't found those elements yet. Where As you said, we

947
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,719
have talked about Xavior quite a bit on this show,

948
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,920
and Richard Patino has made headway with this team. To

949
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,119
win over Cincinnati was big, the win over West Virginia

950
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,880
was big. The close call with Georgia. I remember we

951
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,280
had that team total for Georgia in the parlay that night,

952
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,800
that fifty two and a half or something crazy. And

953
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,679
Xavier played came out and played excellent d in the

954
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,000
second half. So they've certainly made their way through. It's

955
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,320
hard to back crating at this point in time. Again,

956
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,360
I think that the head coach here is still trying

957
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,840
to find the right pieces in the right place, the

958
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,920
right rotations, etc. Where I think you said that maybe

959
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:45,000
Patino's a little ahead of schedule. Right here, I can

960
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,039
go along with that. For Creighton, I just want to

961
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,519
point out some numbers. What's generally a great shooting team,

962
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,559
And it looks to me, Adam, that the Oregon game

963
00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,639
becomes more of a mirage than reality for Creighton. Again,

964
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,440
it was a tournament game where you're playing a bunch

965
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:03,920
of games in a very few days.

966
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: Oh, those those shouldn't even count. Syracuse has lost to

967
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,039
Iowa State, shouldn't count. Yeah, that was ridiculous. Same same

968
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:12,719
thing for the great and Oregon game.

969
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:16,119
Speaker 1: And so if you if you erase that from their

970
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,519
ledger this year, you don't find much to stand on.

971
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:21,480
And the point I really want to make is Creighton

972
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,599
generally you can count on them as an efficient offensive team,

973
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,000
and it's just not the case this year. Just not

974
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,679
efficient from anywhere. Xavier three and a half point favorite.

975
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,960
It seems weird to see them in a favorite role

976
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,320
in a Big East game this quickly, but the change

977
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,000
has been rapid, So I could only look at Xavier

978
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:40,639
in this game.

979
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think That's probably the one thing that's maybe

980
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:48,159
off putting is like, Okay, you know the pendulum has

981
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:50,800
maybe has it swung too far. Now suddenly Xavier is

982
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,840
going to have to lay multiple possessions. You know, Xavier

983
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,079
kind of had if you look at their season to

984
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,440
this point. The Santa Clara game was the one like

985
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,440
if you're like a Xavier fan or supporter, you look

986
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,559
at and you're just like, I can't believe we got

987
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,400
run out of our own gym. I think the game

988
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,039
was like a pick maybe like minus one minus two

989
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:14,199
got absolutely destroyed by Santa Clara. The following game, they

990
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,639
lost to Iowa, but that final score is deceiving. They

991
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,039
played long stretches of that game that were like pretty impressed,

992
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,960
Like the Xavier looked much better even though they ended

993
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,320
up losing by nineteen on the road to Iowa, Like

994
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,840
not a huge deal in my opinion, I was very

995
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,000
good since then the only loss was the Georgia game,

996
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,320
which might as well be a win, right, Like there

997
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,840
were ten I think there were a ten and a

998
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,159
half point underdog. They end up losing a game by one.

999
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,920
Terrific game, neutral court turn around and knock off West

1000
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,599
Virginia a couple days later. So it's like, you know,

1001
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,920
I got to win over Cincinnati, destroyed Missouri State last

1002
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,360
time out. There's no basketball reason here for me to

1003
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,480
like Creighton or to like Creyton.

1004
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:56,599
Speaker 3: It would happen to be Xavier.

1005
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm just like wondering, is like, is this where like

1006
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,400
Creighton was there like one effort and you just, you know,

1007
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:05,400
kind of catch the bad spot because Xavier's played so

1008
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,119
well the last few games. But that Lamoyne game, in

1009
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,239
that Maris game still happened this season, right, So it's

1010
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,119
almost like you have to like know that they could

1011
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:16,239
have one of those in them. I think that's ultimately

1012
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,840
why I won't lay multiple possessions. But we could be

1013
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,119
on the show twenty four hours from now being like, man,

1014
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,960
Xavier was just that was easy, right, Like it feels

1015
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:27,639
like right now they are playing so much better that

1016
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,199
how could you.

1017
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 3: Pass them up on their home floor here?

1018
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,639
Speaker 1: But as we know, I'll just say yeh, as we know,

1019
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:35,840
it could change in a minute. I just want to

1020
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,840
add one last thing here real quick, because we talked

1021
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,800
the beginning of the season when they added the Iowa

1022
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,480
transfers Josh Dixon Owen Freeman to this IOWA team. Remember

1023
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,880
Owen Freeman was hurt for Iowa last year. It cost

1024
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,400
them dearly because he was such an integral part of

1025
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,800
that team. He's done nothing for It's almost as if

1026
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,960
they don't know how to use him. I expected him

1027
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,199
to be some type of offensive force now that he's healthy,

1028
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,079
and it hasn't worked out. So again, coach McDermott has

1029
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,119
some personnel things that they just haven't worked out yet.

1030
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's times I'll point back to their there.

1031
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,519
They played a couple of Summit League teams earlier in

1032
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,119
the year got totally like I think I think it

1033
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,599
was a South Dakota like be like crushed him on

1034
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,559
the glass like that. Those are just things that you

1035
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:22,159
would never expect the creating teams of the last few

1036
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,920
years to ever have those types of issues, right just

1037
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,920
like and so yeah, you're talking about kalk Burner generational

1038
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:31,840
talent for them when it will go down as one

1039
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,519
of the best players in the history of the program.

1040
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,199
Ashworth was fantastic since he showed up there. So yeah,

1041
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,880
this could be a transition type year. It is a

1042
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,920
transition type year because Alan huss is going to be

1043
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,440
that coach, right, So it's like, you know, is this

1044
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:48,880
is this the kind of wheels fall off type thing?

1045
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,440
And then it's McDermott kind of steps away, and then

1046
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,880
Husk gets to sort of, you know, build a team

1047
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,159
the way he wants to the next year. Who knows,

1048
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,320
but uh, yeah, I couldn't take Creighton here. It would

1049
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,440
have to be xavier a pass. All right, We've got

1050
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,000
about five minutes left. I guess I have to Uh,

1051
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,440
I guess I have to take a stand here, rob

1052
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:11,480
and lock this.

1053
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:16,119
Speaker 3: Uh this parlay down. I'm gonna you know what I'm

1054
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:17,880
gonna take. I'm gonna take. I'm gonna lay the eight

1055
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,920
and a half with UCLA. I have not played it

1056
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:21,840
for clients.

1057
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:26,639
Speaker 2: Yet, but I I really think that they're I'm just

1058
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,960
a believer in Cronin. I think he makes I think

1059
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,760
he comes out and make things, makes things seem so

1060
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,880
much worse than they are. This is still a team.

1061
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,280
Donovan Dent is still gonna be a really good player.

1062
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:41,159
I know they are. They're still figuring out how to

1063
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,400
use him. But I mean there was times last year

1064
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,039
during his tenure at New Mexico where he's straight up

1065
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,559
just took over a game like that's going to happen

1066
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:53,159
at some point. Donovan Dent didn't just get worse, right, Like,

1067
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,239
he's not a worse. He didn't just magically become worse.

1068
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,119
He's just trying to figure out where he fits in

1069
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,840
into what's much more of a system than playing for

1070
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,280
Richard Patino at New Mexico was where he just had

1071
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:09,119
basically free reign to pull up from thirty, you know,

1072
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,800
driving to the lane into three guys and just make

1073
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,360
a play. And he doesn't have that freedom at UCLA.

1074
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,920
But it doesn't mean that they're not going to figure

1075
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,639
that out. You talked about Bill Adu. He was dealing

1076
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:24,039
with injury at one point. He certainly seemed back against Gonzaga.

1077
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,360
I like the zone. I think it's going to, you know,

1078
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,400
kind of present some challenges for Arizona State in this matchup.

1079
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,400
And I don't think Arizona State, even though they are

1080
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,280
a good three point shooting team, is going to be

1081
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,280
a top twenty three point shooting team this year. Like

1082
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,679
I looked at that roster, I don't know that they've

1083
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,639
got the shooters to stay in the top twenty five

1084
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,679
nationally three point shooting. I think some of that was

1085
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,440
those nice, soft, friendly rims in Maui. I don't know

1086
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,880
if the rims at Pauly Pavilion are quite as friendly.

1087
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,199
So this ticked down. I didn't really agree with that

1088
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,840
move down to eight and a half, So I'm gonna

1089
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,920
lay it with UCLA. I was very impressed with them

1090
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,440
against Gonzaga, and I think they I just think they're

1091
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,239
better and I think their defense can put the clamps

1092
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,320
on mootum and if they can do that, Arizona State

1093
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,480
might have a hard time scoring and you might see

1094
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,960
UCLA pull away. So we'll we'll go Ucla minus eight

1095
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,440
and a half for the parlat.

1096
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: I will say I happened to catch that one game

1097
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,519
on the neutral where Moe Odem just went absolutely berserk.

1098
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:29,719
I forget who it was against, but he had you know,

1099
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:30,079
yeah it.

1100
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,159
Speaker 3: Was in now Robert.

1101
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:36,079
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I might be shooting fifty percent from

1102
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:37,920
three at matt and now the way some of those

1103
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,920
shots were going in like tech, Like I lost one

1104
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,440
of the Maui Invitational games. I think Texas hits like

1105
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:47,079
sixteen or seventeen threes, Like what is what has Texas

1106
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:48,199
done since that tournament?

1107
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: Right?

1108
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 2: Like I just every shot going in. See Seaton Hall

1109
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,960
couldn't miss a shot. I mean that team, like you know,

1110
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,800
it's it's just so I wondered, you know, you played

1111
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,800
three games there and you're playing three against quality competition, listen,

1112
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,639
Like that might inflate your profile a little bit. And

1113
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:08,800
Arizona State played extremely well during their time at that tournament.

1114
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,800
So I just think Arizona State's a little bit inflated,

1115
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,000
and I think they run I still think UCLA is legit,

1116
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,800
even though they maybe haven't been to this point. If

1117
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,559
you're going on the road and you run into a

1118
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,360
legit team like UCLA and they play the way that

1119
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,559
they're supposed to play, I feel like this could be

1120
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:25,440
a double digit final.

1121
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll lay it with the Bruins real quick.

1122
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: Just to give you the numbers fast before mo Odam

1123
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,440
made fifteen threes in that tournament, he's made five since.

1124
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I mean, I mean, he's a he's a

1125
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,519
really good player, but he's not like he's not JJ Reddick,

1126
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,599
like he's not like he's not just someone that's gonna

1127
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:48,599
like be bombs away from thirty four like you know

1128
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,039
three and just eviscerate you from three. So again, I

1129
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:55,119
just think that there's a some of those numbers are

1130
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,239
a little skewed, and I actually think that this will

1131
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,960
likely move back to where it opened, might even see

1132
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,400
get to ten. So because right now on the show

1133
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,960
we're locking this in, I can see uh uh, we'll

1134
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,239
call it eight and a half. Ski Ski prop and says,

1135
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,360
I haven't seen Trig Hoop. I've seen Rob Hoop.

1136
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:10,679
Speaker 3: Ski.

1137
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: I I'm a nightmare to play against. I'll go out

1138
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,599
and defend you in a pickup game like it's game seven.

1139
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Probably not gonna make many shots, but you want me

1140
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,480
on your pickup team and everyone will be pissed at me.

1141
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,239
That's that's the kind of that's the kind of guy

1142
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,760
I am. I'm a soccer player playing basketball, So think

1143
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,920
of that. I played soccer and I'm like, I don't

1144
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,559
have a ton of skill, but I'll just sit there

1145
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,000
and be I'll be on you like glue in a

1146
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,840
pickup game and you'll be like, get this guy out

1147
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:38,840
of here, get him out.

1148
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll have six follows in five minutes.

1149
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah right probably yeah.

1150
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,239
Speaker 2: No. I I I played in like an adult league

1151
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,920
for a minute, and that was always an issue when

1152
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,159
they actually counted fills.

1153
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:54,239
Speaker 3: That was that was a problem.

1154
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all right, guys, it's it's time. We'll be

1155
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,199
back tomorrow more full court press. Just to recap the parlay,

1156
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,480
Rob is gonna go NC State team total over ninety

1157
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,639
six and a half. I'm gonna go Ucla minus eight

1158
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:10,239
and a half, little two teamer.

1159
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:12,159
Speaker 3: Hopefully another parlay win.

1160
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: We had one on Monday, and we'll be back in

1161
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,679
the morning for more full court press. Take care everyone,

1162
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:17,760
We'll see you guys then