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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was done.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't deal with them.

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<v Speaker 2>The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that turned me away the quickest.

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<v Speaker 1>When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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<v Speaker 1>looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the most where the eyes were going red. I see

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<v Speaker 1>an orb of light. It is just circling these steps.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to

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<v Speaker 2>tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes. As

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<v Speaker 2>soon as I made eye contact with this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It don't like debt. Welcome back, listeners, it's Brandon from

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<v Speaker 1>ten Foil Tels bringing you another episode. Today's episode, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to dive into a conversation that I had with

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Lee from the UK. We discussed some

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<v Speaker 1>of the UFO sidings he's had and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>research he's done with that. But before we get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>and check that out. But we're going to go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>now and dive into the conversation with Lee again. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for listening, Thanks to Cult of Conspiracy for having me

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<v Speaker 1>a part of this, and we will check you on

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<v Speaker 1>the next one. I'd like to take this time and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome my guest tonight, Lee, Thanks for coming on here

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<v Speaker 1>to talk women.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks thanks for the invite.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a little bit of a time difference. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're about five hours ahead of me, so trying to

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<v Speaker 1>work it in here, so you're not up till like

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<v Speaker 1>early in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I've got a cup of coffee, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be all right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I definitely appreciate it. Do you want to let

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<v Speaker 1>the audience know a little bit about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Sure. So my name is Lee Thatcher and it's

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<v Speaker 2>spelled l E I g H. I'm forty nine. I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in South London, where I had my first

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<v Speaker 2>UFO encounter, which I'll chat about in a minute. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got two children, twenty five and twenty seven. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>land scape gardener. I've been a UFO guest speaker conference.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done other podcasts and interviews and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Living with my partner for thirty one years. And as

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon says, it's two thirty in the morning, so I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a cup of coffee, so I'm going to I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna I've got a load of notes in front

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<v Speaker 2>of me because of the the When I usually do

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<v Speaker 2>this talk, I usually I'm able to just talk without

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<v Speaker 2>any writer or anything, but because it's so early in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, I've had to write everything down. So I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in I started off in a place called

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<v Speaker 2>Addington in Croydon in London in seventy five, and the

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<v Speaker 2>first a few incidents that happened were when I had

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<v Speaker 2>a christening set like a knife, fork and spoon. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't christened, but it was a gift from a relative

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<v Speaker 2>and this cutper re sept like knife, you know, christening

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<v Speaker 2>sept would just go miss him and it go missing

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<v Speaker 2>for days on end, and it would just turn up

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<v Speaker 2>on top of the cut resept in the drawer. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>would know how it had got there. And this was

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<v Speaker 2>quite a frequent occurrence. And so that was my first

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<v Speaker 2>kind of introduction if you like to spooky things and go.

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<v Speaker 1>On, I was gonna say how old were you at

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<v Speaker 1>that point?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was I was a newborn baby, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was newborn. My parents at the time, like as

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<v Speaker 2>I was growing up, they would recount these stories of

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<v Speaker 2>the house that we lived in. The house was only

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<v Speaker 2>built in I think the late sixties. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was a big council estate. Yeah, they would they would

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<v Speaker 2>recount these stories of these black balls of light that

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<v Speaker 2>would dart across the room. They didn't know what they were,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they were spirits or ghosts, whatever. But again you

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<v Speaker 2>know that. So there was a lot of stories in

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood of with stuff going on in the people's houses.

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<v Speaker 2>But we moved from there. I moved around quite a

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<v Speaker 2>lot as a kid, but yeah, we moved from house

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<v Speaker 2>to house. And by the time I was seven, my

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<v Speaker 2>parents split up. My dad went his way and I

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<v Speaker 2>went with my mum, and then I went back with

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<v Speaker 2>my dad, and then back was on forwards that I've

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<v Speaker 2>got an older brother and sister and we'd all be

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<v Speaker 2>separate over time. And then we moved in with my

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<v Speaker 2>new stepdad. So I would have been yeah, seven or

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<v Speaker 2>eight at the time, and he had a son called Darren.

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<v Speaker 2>Now my stepdad was in the Marines, so there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of He knew a lot about tanks, guns,

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<v Speaker 2>all this sort of thing. We had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>guns in the house, so we knew, you know, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>go out and shoot and do all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And one evening we were me and my stepbrother I

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<v Speaker 2>was ten at the time. We'd gone cycling and it

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<v Speaker 2>was one afternoon. We were cycling through this playing field

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<v Speaker 2>and he got off his bike and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come have a look at this. We both watched this

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<v Speaker 2>light in the sky. Now again you know, he grew

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<v Speaker 2>up knowing all about military aircraft and all stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>so he knew the difference between a plane and a helicopter.

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<v Speaker 2>And we watched this white light in the sky. So

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<v Speaker 2>this would have been nineteen eighty five and I would

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<v Speaker 2>have been ten. And this white light was then accompanied

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<v Speaker 2>by a few other lights and it formed what looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a diamond shape. And then this shape thing whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it was, loaded itself past the horizon and that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the end of that siding. We got on

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<v Speaker 2>our bikes, we cycled home. But it's stuck in my

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<v Speaker 2>head what.

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<v Speaker 1>You said it was diamond shaped?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was diamond it was. It wasn't. It was

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<v Speaker 2>diamond shaped as in there was a top bottom on

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<v Speaker 2>two sides, and it looked like a diamond, but it would.

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<v Speaker 2>It was made up of a few lights, and from

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<v Speaker 2>what I can remember, it was just white. So the

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<v Speaker 2>lights were white. It was late afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't prison me looking. It wasn't what like a

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<v Speaker 1>prison like you could see kind of like colors reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>from it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, I mean it was over and done with

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<v Speaker 2>relatively quick a couple of couple of minutes, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>we went home and we spoke to our respective parents.

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<v Speaker 2>My mum was kind of dismissive of it. My stepdad

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<v Speaker 2>he was the same. And that was it. Thought nothing

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And then it was a few weeks later

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<v Speaker 2>I started having quite bad nightmares. And at the time

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really think much of it because they were

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<v Speaker 2>just nightmares to me. But it was a reoccurring nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>And the nightmare was I'd be lying flat on a

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<v Speaker 2>table and there would be these what I would call

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<v Speaker 2>the little workers, and they didn't speak, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>see them, but I knew they were there, and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that they were talking to each other, but they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't audibly talking. And then the next part of the

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<v Speaker 2>nightmare this machine with I always described it as letters

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<v Speaker 2>and numbers put over the top of each other. Now

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<v Speaker 2>as an adult, I would say that that was more

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<v Speaker 2>like a symbol. So these things had this machine had

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<v Speaker 2>symbols on and I called it a conveyor belt of words,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would this machine would come towards me with

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<v Speaker 2>these symbols on, and I'd have to read what was

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<v Speaker 2>on this machine, and then I'd wake up. Although the

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<v Speaker 2>actual dream itself, there was nothing bad happened. I just

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<v Speaker 2>knew that it was a terrifying nightmare. And weeks later

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have the same nightmare. And I had this about

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<v Speaker 2>four or five times the age of ten, soon after

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<v Speaker 2>this UFO siting, and I remember the last time I

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<v Speaker 2>had it, I got out of bed, I ran down

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<v Speaker 2>the hall to my mum and stepdad's bedroom and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember looking back and in my head I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they don't come for me again. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was that was the end of that. Never had that

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<v Speaker 2>dream nightmare ever again. And then so that was that

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<v Speaker 2>was that episode over and done with. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>moved they split up, excuse me, they split up, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we moved in with my name and granddad. We

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<v Speaker 2>lived there for a couple of years, and then from

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<v Speaker 2>mindan and granddad's house, we then moved to Birmingham, England,

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<v Speaker 2>which is about one hundred and sixty miles away. So

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<v Speaker 2>in America that's like down the road, whereas in England

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<v Speaker 2>we would consider that a long way.

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<v Speaker 1>Six months so I used to drive almost one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>miles to my office for my job last year, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's not far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as I said in England, yeah, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty miles. Two hundred miles is considered like a questionable journey.

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<v Speaker 2>So we moved to Birmingham and nothing of any significance

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<v Speaker 2>happened until I was about fifteen and I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>in the living room standing up. I've never slept walked before.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never slept walked before, never slept work walked afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was fifteen and I woke up standing up

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<v Speaker 2>in the living room and I'd organized these rolls of

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<v Speaker 2>wallpaper into the shape of what I thought was stonehenge.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that? So that was that kind of episode. Finished,

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<v Speaker 2>went back to bed, thought nothing of it. The only

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<v Speaker 2>reason I mentioned these things is because over time I've

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<v Speaker 2>spoken to other people that have had UFO and alien encounters,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've experienced very similar things. So whoever's listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast now who may have had the same experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>it may strike a chord with them. In ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm kind of going in chronological order. Ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been seventeen. I was at college and

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<v Speaker 2>I met my partner, Lucy. She was fifteen. I was seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>and we started dating and I went to her house

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<v Speaker 2>one evening and she had a box of photographs and

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<v Speaker 2>just looking through them, they were random sort of photographs

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<v Speaker 2>of this, that and the other. And I pulled out

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<v Speaker 2>this one photo and I said to her, what you're doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what are you doing with this photo? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the story behind this photo? And she said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I just took it randomly. When I was younger in

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties, so she would have been about six or seven,

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<v Speaker 2>she had like a little camera. She said, I just

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<v Speaker 2>took a random photo and that's what came out. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said that this is in the photo. It was

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<v Speaker 2>my sister, my aunt, and my nan. So how you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to go down the road of synchronicities,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like, that's probably the biggest synchronicity that I've experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I've explained that story. Well, so

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<v Speaker 2>if you imagine, I've come up from London to Birmingham,

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<v Speaker 2>which one hundred and sixty miles away, met this girl.

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<v Speaker 2>She's got a photo of my family that she took randomly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I took the photo back to my family and

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<v Speaker 2>I said to him, you just can you just clarify

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<v Speaker 2>you know that she's sister and your aunt and you're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I told them where the photo come from.

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<v Speaker 2>And even to this day, we can't quite work out

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<v Speaker 2>how that actually happened. But we we then moved in together.

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<v Speaker 2>We finished college, we moved in together, and we moved

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking probably ninety six, spy now ninety five ninety six.

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<v Speaker 2>We were I was asleep on the settee and she

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<v Speaker 2>said that the room had changed frequency. And she said,

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<v Speaker 2>this black while I was asleep, So I didn't witness this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Lucy that had witnessed this. This black missed

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<v Speaker 2>shape just came into the room, walked, moved through the

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<v Speaker 2>said the frequency just went back to normal. It was

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<v Speaker 2>as if she described it as the room was just

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of I don't want to interrupt, but like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the frequency part of it, I've always wondered mentioned this

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<v Speaker 1>several different times like when people see these different shadow

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<v Speaker 1>figures or anything like that. I've said, maybe they're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>something from a different plane of existence and off reality.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe that she felt the frequency change, because maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of did, because this thing vibrates at a

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<v Speaker 1>different frequency than what we were not seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>you speak to anyone that has had UFO encounters, you

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<v Speaker 2>often find that they will say that there's a changing

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of atmosphere around them, as if it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a byproduct of I mean, I'm saying I'm using the

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<v Speaker 2>term UFO and linking it with this black misted shame

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<v Speaker 2>thing only because I mean, I'll go on to this later,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've had other UFO and paranormal anomalies in the

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<v Speaker 2>home as we get older, So I'm only linking the

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<v Speaker 2>two together. As I say, I've got no proof of

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a UFO above the house at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been a ghost, it could have been

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<v Speaker 2>an alien, it could have been an interdimensional being could

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it was. But then we so

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<v Speaker 2>we started. I mean I was always into When I

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Birmingham, I got really into the subject of UFOs, ghosts,

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal and I got quite in depth, went right down

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<v Speaker 2>the rabbit hole, as it were. This is years before

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<v Speaker 2>the internet and mobile phones, and so it was all

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<v Speaker 2>books and conferences and things like that that we used

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<v Speaker 2>to go to. And then we I went on a

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<v Speaker 2>camping trip with a couple of couple of friends and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd had this really vivid dream of standing outside my tent.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd gone camping in Wales, and the we've gone, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>had our fire, we had food, We've gone to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had this such a vivid trip I can

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<v Speaker 2>steal stee it now, vivid dream of standing outside the

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<v Speaker 2>the tent and being made to watch a UFO leave.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I got back in the tent and went

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<v Speaker 2>back to sleep. We came back home the next day,

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<v Speaker 2>all the two days later, whenever it was, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was chatting to Lucy about it, and I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was on the phone to somebody a bit later

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<v Speaker 2>on in the evening, and as I mentioned this story,

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<v Speaker 2>the phone just went completely dead and we couldn't connect

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<v Speaker 2>the phone again till the next day. And then Lucy

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<v Speaker 2>was I mean, this could be coincidence, but I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>adding it in the whole sort of story anyway. But

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<v Speaker 2>there are little bits of other things that have happened

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<v Speaker 2>that I've missed out, but I'm going to concentrate on

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the bigger things later. So then Lucy

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<v Speaker 2>was chatting on the phone to her to a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of hers, and she said, Lee had this thing happened

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<v Speaker 2>earlier where he was talking about this UFO story and

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<v Speaker 2>the phone went dead, And it just happens that the

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<v Speaker 2>phone went dead again again coincidence with someone listening, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we we just don't know. So then from so we

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<v Speaker 2>moved from that flat into the house that we're living

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<v Speaker 2>in at the moment. The house we're living in at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. We've been here now for about twenty two years,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is where we've had the most amount of activity. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up going to church. It was never religious,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was expected to go to church with my

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<v Speaker 2>nan and my aunt, the ones that were in Lucy's photo.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to go, you know, when I was eight,

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<v Speaker 2>nine ten. Didn't enjoy it, but I kind of got

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of an understanding about the Bible and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that. When I moved to Birmingham, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got more into the idea of UFOs in the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>and most importantly the Book of Revelations. And I used

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<v Speaker 2>to read the Book of Revelations, but you know, page

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<v Speaker 2>after page offs paid and I used to try and

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<v Speaker 2>decipher what the book was was going on about. But yeah, weh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get I kind of have to go back towards

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<v Speaker 2>with different things that have happened, and they'll all linked

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<v Speaker 2>together in it a bit later on. So yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>I've got this side of me that he's really interested in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Bible and UFOs, and we've got we

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<v Speaker 2>moved into this house that we're in at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>so we've got two We've had two children by then,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was it was when we very first moved

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<v Speaker 2>in and we had a cat. The cat was scratching

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<v Speaker 2>at the back door and Jessica, our eldest daughter, she

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<v Speaker 2>would have been uh about three, three or four at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and she was laughing at the at the

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<v Speaker 2>cat trying to get in through the She was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of scratching at the window and I had my hand

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<v Speaker 2>near it behind her. I can't really describe it but

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<v Speaker 2>she had her hands behind her back, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of holding her hands at the same time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt as if someone had grabbed my wrist. And

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<v Speaker 2>I looked down and there was no hand there. Jessica's

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<v Speaker 2>hands were tiny. This felt like a grown adult's hand

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<v Speaker 2>around my wrist. And then I thought nothing of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then about a minute later, Jessica said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>what was that? I said, what was what? And like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, she was about foot four or five at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and she started rubbing her arm up against

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<v Speaker 2>the settee and she said, it feels like someone's just

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<v Speaker 2>run the hand up my arm. Said, well, it wasn't me,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it I twigged, you know, I've just had

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<v Speaker 2>the same I've just had the same experience. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>someone's just grabbed my wrist, someone's just touched her arm.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nobody else with us. So that was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a ghostly encounter. We never got to the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of that. But as to say, I used to really,

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<v Speaker 2>really really study crop circles religion, and it got to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where I think it was twenty ten. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>spent years and years and years really bogged down with

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<v Speaker 2>trying to understand the UFO phenomena, piecing things together. And

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, twenty twelve was approaching, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of talk about big things that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Earth changes and things like that, and I got to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where I was so depressed by the whole

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<v Speaker 2>phenomena that I decided I woke up one morning with

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<v Speaker 2>absolute sense of dread and I couldn't shift this feeling

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<v Speaker 2>of impending doom. And so I got all my books

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<v Speaker 2>and I got rid of them, got rid of all

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<v Speaker 2>my books, stopped listening to heavy metal, tried tried being

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote normal, and this lasted for about two or

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks, and I go to work feeling really depressed

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<v Speaker 2>because I just overdosed really on all things paranormal, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have any answers. And that's when when twelve approached,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when things really kicked off for me, because it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like, you know, I pushed out, pushed all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff away, all the religious stuff, the UFO and the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't get my head around what I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>achieve from it all. And then it was as if

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<v Speaker 2>overnight I had this awakening, if you like, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was as if the paranormal world said, okay, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be on board with us, now, this

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<v Speaker 2>is my kind of terminology. If you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be on board with us, we're going to show you

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what we mean. And that's when all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>things happened in quite a short kind of space of time.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was almost as if it was as if

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<v Speaker 2>a portal had opened up around the house. I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to my notes, So yeah, it's about twenty twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing that happened, I woke up during the

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<v Speaker 2>night and there was I could only describe it as

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<v Speaker 2>a jellyfish just coming through into the into the room,

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<v Speaker 2>and I watched it climb up the wall. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't take drugs, never smoke, so I've never had

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<v Speaker 2>any anything like that. Watch this jellyfish just come into

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<v Speaker 2>the room and out through the wall. Next couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days it was, I think it was it would have

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<v Speaker 2>been early July, I think, and blue sky and we

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<v Speaker 2>had these planes going over now we get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of whether your listeners believe in them or not. We

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of came trails over here. And the

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<v Speaker 2>one day twenty twelve we had a fleet of planes

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<v Speaker 2>going over. I think it was about five or six

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<v Speaker 2>of them, and they were doing a circle of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>And as they came overhead, I was in the kitchen

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<v Speaker 2>and I looked up and I could see them coming

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<v Speaker 2>over again, and I could see these orbs just appearing

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<v Speaker 2>in the actual m trail itself, and I thought, bloody ell,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I haven't seen the UFOs. I was ten

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<v Speaker 2>orb would appear in the in the contrail, probably say

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<v Speaker 2>it was the size of a large car, and it

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<v Speaker 2>would float along with the chemtrail, and then it would

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<v Speaker 2>blink out, and then another I wanted to appear, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think I counted like five in the space of

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<v Speaker 2>like ten minutes. And so we were watching these and

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<v Speaker 2>I called Lucy and I said, come on, have a

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<v Speaker 2>look at this, and she's you know, we were both

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<v Speaker 2>watching these orbs. And that was the end of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, if I'm seeing these things, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if these things are showing themselves again, I'm gonna buy

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<v Speaker 2>myself Peera binoculars. So I bought Para binoculars and put them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still there, They're still by the back door. So

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<v Speaker 2>I left them by the back door just in case

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<v Speaker 2>anything else happened, and I've got my binoculars just in case. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I said earlier that I'm my landscape gardener. Back then,

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<v Speaker 2>I just used to do just basic gardening. And at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I was listening to a lot of podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>about UFOs and encounters and stuff like that. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy that it wasn't Stephen Green, it was

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<v Speaker 2>some other guy that was going on about C five

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<v Speaker 2>where you can call these UFOs down and they'll appear

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<v Speaker 2>to you. And I was listening to this and I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I could do this. So I was I

420
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 2>think it was lunchtime, and I was at the back

421
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>of one of my customers gardens where I used to work.

422
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>There a big million pound houses, massive gardens, loads of

423
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>land in a place called edge Baston, and so I

424
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>sat at the back of the garden of the customer

425
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, right, I'm going to do what this

426
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 2>this the person on this podcast was describing. So you

427
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.119
<v Speaker 2>just sit and you meditate and you ask. So that's

428
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>what I did. So I'm meditating and my customer had

429
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>gone out to play golf, so I was just sat

430
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:16.559
<v Speaker 2>there in the back of the garden on my own

431
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>and I was meditating, and in my head I was saying,

432
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, calling out, you know, with respect, you know,

433
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 2>and all that, all that sort of spill. And I

434
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 2>started hearing these helicopters, and I thought that that's what

435
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 2>I'd summoned. I thought it'd smoned the helicopters. So when

436
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I walked onto the lawn to see what this helicopter

437
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>was doing, there was actually an orb the size of

438
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>a car, a black I described its the pokermonble. It

439
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 2>was kind of gray dark underneath, and then another shade

440
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>of dark on top. And this was quite a little

441
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>bit of treetop level above the houses, probably if you're

442
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.039
<v Speaker 2>looking at the clock, probably ten o'clock as you're looking up.

443
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what degree that would be. And this

444
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 2>ball or thing was just moving towards me, and there

445
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 2>were three military helicopters just circling it. And the whole

446
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 2>thing was dangerous because it was above There was a

447
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>reservoir nearby, Edgebaston Reservoir. There should have been a lot

448
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:43.559
<v Speaker 2>of witnesses to it. I've never never read any accounts

449
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>other than my own. And this what I described as

450
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>a Pokemon ball was moving towards me, and these military

451
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>helicopters were. It looked like it was ushering or bullying

452
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.079
<v Speaker 2>this ball way, so it couldn't come anywhere near me.

453
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>So I'm stood there, And of course I didn't take

454
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>a photo of it, didn't take a film. I had

455
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 2>my phone on me. I don't think I had an

456
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Ericsson phone withn't. I don't think that I had a

457
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 2>camera on it or anything like that. But even if

458
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 2>it did, there was no point. I didn't even think

459
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>to take a photo of it. So once that had finished,

460
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.720
<v Speaker 2>that had all moved back into the sky away from

461
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>where I was, So I'm stood there, dumb, dumbfounded. So

462
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.839
<v Speaker 2>I phoned Lucy up and I said, you know, you'll

463
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.079
<v Speaker 2>never guess what I've just seen. I went to explain

464
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 2>what I was seeing, and she said, before you go

465
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.799
<v Speaker 2>any further, She said, who he's on the phone with you?

466
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And I said, there's no one on the phone on

467
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 2>my own, and she said I can hear voices on

468
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 2>the phone, and I said no, I'm literally in the

469
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:03.039
<v Speaker 2>in the garden on my own. Again, we don't know

470
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:08.639
<v Speaker 2>who who she was hearing. So that was the next

471
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of UFO that we saw. Or that I saw.

472
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 2>So we had the chemtrails with the orbs. Then a

473
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 2>week later, I've had this helicopter of this orb pokemon

474
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 2>board type thing that I, for all intense and purposes,

475
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>summoned out the sky. And then all of a sudden,

476
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:38.159
<v Speaker 2>I start getting these military helicopters flying overhead everywhere, any

477
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 2>everywhere I went. Then a few times a day when

478
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I went home, they'd be over the house. Before I

479
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>went to the shops, you'd have one go over. And

480
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 2>this was a just it just got to a point

481
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 2>where I was texting Lucy every day saying, there's a

482
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 2>third military helicopter. It's gone over, it's a fourth one.

483
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I got order of texting her telling her and the

484
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 2>helicopters I was seeing, and they were flying relatively quite low.

485
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And then so we again. This is all happening in

486
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the summer of twenty twelve. So a couple of nights later,

487
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>we were we were dancing in the living room, we

488
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>were having a drink, and we were chatting to somebody

489
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:40.079
<v Speaker 2>on Messenger and they were in America. Now, I used

490
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>to be part of a crop Circle Facebook group, and

491
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd befriended a few people from that and this woman

492
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>was part of that, so we were chatting to her.

493
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 2>It was late at night, so if we're say ten o'clock,

494
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:00.760
<v Speaker 2>it would have been probably six o'clock there. So we're

495
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.519
<v Speaker 2>dancing around and everything was merry, and we said, you know,

496
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 2>should we wrap it up for the night, go to bed? Yeah? Yeah, okay,

497
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.639
<v Speaker 2>So we agreed we'll go to bed. So we shut

498
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 2>everything down. We said goodbye to our friend, and we

499
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 2>walked into the hallway to go to bed, and there

500
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>were these two orbs in the in the hallway. Now,

501
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>these orbs were one was head heighth, the other one

502
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 2>was ankle height, and they were pulse eating. One was red, sorry,

503
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>one was blue, one was orange, and they were I

504
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:42.599
<v Speaker 2>can't I can only describe it as pulsating, like fizzing.

505
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>They were like fizzing really quickly, pulsating and fizzing, and

506
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and I, you know, I knew that we'd had a drink,

507
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.280
<v Speaker 2>but we both started and Lucy said, are you looking

508
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>at this? And I said, yeah, I can see this,

509
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and then if they vanished, and then we just went

510
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 2>to bed. We didn't think think anything of it. And

511
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>when we spoke to our friend the next night on

512
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>from America, I said. I said, oh, you know, we

513
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:24.440
<v Speaker 2>had this experience last night when we went to bed,

514
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and she said, she said, when I switched my computer off,

515
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.800
<v Speaker 2>she said, I saw an orange or in the in

516
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 2>the in the living room. Now, she was, you know,

517
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>she lived in America. We're in England. So this I'm

518
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>not quite sure where the link is. We've her seeing

519
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>an orban her living room and us seeing these flashing

520
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 2>orbs in our hallway. Anyway, that was that we put

521
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>it to put it to one side. And then I

522
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 2>was hearing this animal This is all this animal noise

523
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>was all within the same kind of time frame. I

524
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 2>kept hearing this. It sounded like a between a dog

525
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 2>and a cat, kind of growling and meowing at the

526
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 2>same time, but it was kind of faint, and it

527
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.920
<v Speaker 2>was coming from the hall. And I kept hearing this

528
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.599
<v Speaker 2>every other night, and I didn't really say much to

529
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Lucy about it until she said to me, I keep

530
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.199
<v Speaker 2>hearing this noise, and I said, you know, what does

531
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>it sound like? So she told me that she keeps

532
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:46.559
<v Speaker 2>hearing this animal noise between a cat and a dog

533
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 2>growling and meowing at the same time. And I said, well,

534
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I keep hearing the same thing, and we couldn't really

535
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>work out what that was. And we've gone to the cinema,

536
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Lucy and I, and we've got it. We'd left our

537
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:11.400
<v Speaker 2>youngest daughter. She would have been she would have been

538
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 2>about I'm gonna say twelve at the time, about twelve ten,

539
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>between ten and twelve, and she was with a friend.

540
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Lucy and I had gone to the cinema and Lucy's

541
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 2>phone kept going off while we're at the cinema and

542
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 2>I said, to you know, Tony's phone off, you know,

543
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>watching the film, and she said, it's Navenive's our youngest.

544
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 2>She said, it's Nave. She keeps phoning. I'm gonna have

545
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 2>to take take this phone call. So she went out

546
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and she came back and she said, you're never You're

547
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:48.599
<v Speaker 2>never going to guess what she's just been telling me.

548
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 2>And I thought she was going to say she's made

549
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>a wigie board or something, and she said, no, no, no.

550
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>She had her in a chick scared on the settee

551
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 2>because they can hear this animal in the hallway and

552
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like a cat and a dog, but they

553
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 2>can't work out what it is, and they're absolutely terrified

554
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.800
<v Speaker 2>so we had to cut the cut the film short

555
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:16.760
<v Speaker 2>and come home. We kept on hearing it, you know,

556
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.840
<v Speaker 2>for weeks on end, and we go out into the hall.

557
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:24.880
<v Speaker 2>We still couldn't work out where this thing was coming from.

558
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Another night, another afternoon, we were playing badminton on the

559
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:38.599
<v Speaker 2>field and we were we were wrapping it up. At

560
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 2>about five six o'clock, the sun had gone down and

561
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:50.519
<v Speaker 2>we both noticed the sky was really weird. There was

562
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.480
<v Speaker 2>a grid. You could see a grid, and it was

563
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.679
<v Speaker 2>like it was like a ghost, a ghostly grid that

564
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>was just hovering, like coming in and out of existence,

565
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 2>if you like. It was really faint. But now I

566
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.599
<v Speaker 2>knew that it wasn't the rays of the sun because

567
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 2>we you know, we've we've lived here, we've lived here

568
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>enough times to enough years to know what the sun

569
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.400
<v Speaker 2>looked like coming down when it was set in. This

570
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.400
<v Speaker 2>was a grid high up in the sky, and we

571
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 2>we were kind of wondering if we it's some kind

572
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 2>of portal had opened, and I think things are coming in,

573
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>things are coming out, things are you know, we've had this.

574
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 2>We've had the orbs that were in the house, we

575
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 2>had the orbs that are in the sky above the house.

576
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:52.480
<v Speaker 2>In the chemtrails. We heard these this animal, strange animal thing.

577
00:41:53.280 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>And then it kind of came to a bit of

578
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 2>a head when I was at I was at the

579
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:17.760
<v Speaker 2>computer desk on the computer, and I heard this plant

580
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>pop fall in the hallway, in the sorry in the porch,

581
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 2>this plant patch just fell randomly, and I looked and

582
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 2>in my head it was like a trigger, and the

583
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 2>trigger was go outside, you're going to see something now.

584
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Right in front of me were my binoculars that i'd

585
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>bought previously from a couple of weeks ago when we

586
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:47.079
<v Speaker 2>when we'd seen the the chemtrails. So I took the binoculars.

587
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I went outside. Like I said, I was told in

588
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>my head it was like a telepathic message, whatever you

589
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 2>want to call it. So I'm looking up at the

590
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 2>sky with the binoculars and I can see this line.

591
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 2>So the sky is blue, and there's clouds, you know,

592
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 2>faint clouds all the way around, but there's a big

593
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 2>patch of blue sky and I'm just looking with the

594
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 2>binoculars and I can see this line looks like a

595
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:23.199
<v Speaker 2>little line like way up in the atmosphere, and it's

596
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.599
<v Speaker 2>coming down. And obviously as it's coming down, it's getting

597
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 2>bigger and bigger, and the only way I could describe it,

598
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>this thing, whatever it was, was a caterpillar. Now, this caterpillar,

599
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I call it a caterpillar. It came down and it

600
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 2>was just below cloud level, so I'm not quite sure

601
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 2>how high that would be. Anyway, I've got this thing

602
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>in my binoculars and it's full of filled up the binoculars,

603
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.719
<v Speaker 2>you can see everything, every detail. This thing was made

604
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>up of orbs stuck together and they were red and white.

605
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 2>And at the base at the end of the this

606
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 2>caterpillar were these two hooks, and the hooks were kind

607
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:18.239
<v Speaker 2>of pivoting. They were moving, but like around, and the

608
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>top of the caterpillar was like a big ball, but

609
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 2>it was in a cup, and the ball itself, the

610
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>head of this caterpillar thing had horns, and this thing

611
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.599
<v Speaker 2>was the head of it. This thing was moving inside

612
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.079
<v Speaker 2>what looked like a cup, and it was luminescent. It

613
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:45.079
<v Speaker 2>was glowing from the inside, and it had what looked

614
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.280
<v Speaker 2>like protrusion like arms, but like made up of more

615
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 2>smaller orbs. And this thing was writhing around and it

616
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 2>looked like it looked like a caterpillar court on a

617
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 2>my thread that's the only way I could describe it.

618
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>And this thing was writhing around. Now, this was on

619
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:17.559
<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth of July. Fifteenth of July twenty twelve, and

620
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Lucy said to me, out of the blue, that was it.

621
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I called her and I said, Luce, come and have

622
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.920
<v Speaker 2>a look at this. So she grabbed the binoculars and

623
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 2>she looked at this thing. She said, is it an angel?

624
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>And I said, I said an angel? You know, I mean,

625
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.599
<v Speaker 2>we're not religious and never got no interest in religions

626
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 2>all right now, or she hasn't anyway, And she said,

627
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 2>is this is an angel? And I said, no, it's

628
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 2>not an angel. I said it to me, it looks

629
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 2>like a biological UFO. So I called the children. The

630
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>children looked out of the bedroom window. They've got a

631
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 2>better eyesight than I have, so they were looking at

632
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 2>it with an eye and they had obviously said a

633
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 2>few choice words. They couldn't understand what this thing was.

634
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>This lasted for about a minute or two and then

635
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:18.880
<v Speaker 2>it just rose back up and that was the end

636
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 2>of that. And then we came in and scept my

637
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.480
<v Speaker 2>brain going again, and I thought, I've got to find

638
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:32.440
<v Speaker 2>out what this thing is, and Lucy said, no, just

639
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>leave it. We don't know what it is. Don't bother

640
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>with it. She was so dismissive of it. But I

641
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.280
<v Speaker 2>was dead certain I needed to find out what this

642
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 2>thing was, trying to do a lot of research. That evening,

643
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>we were sat watching TV and we had we had

644
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a big cabinet, big pine cabinet, and on the cabinet

645
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 2>was a fish tank, and on the wall was the mirror,

646
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and next to the fish tank was a lamp, and

647
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 2>we was watching TV and this stream of light just

648
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:18.599
<v Speaker 2>came out of the lamp. Again, the only way I

649
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 2>could describe it is when Sally Anne in was it

650
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Sallyanne or Mary Anne in Poltergeist, She's sat watching TV

651
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 2>the static and the hand comes out. It was exactly

652
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 2>the same as that, but it was just one long

653
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 2>stream of light that just came out. Wasn't a ball

654
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.800
<v Speaker 2>that separated. It was a stream that came out of

655
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the lamp. I sort of described it as a bent

656
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 2>piece of copper and then it went into the mirror.

657
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 2>And then Lucy and I just looked at each other

658
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 2>and we just thought, yeah, that's fine, that's just another

659
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 2>weird thing that's happened. And that was the kind of

660
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 2>like things started to settle down after that. Nothing else

661
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 2>happened then, and then it was it was only a

662
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.159
<v Speaker 2>few years ago that it just happened to be flicking

663
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 2>through a crop circle book. I'd got rid of all

664
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 2>my books, but I kept a crop circle book and

665
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I just happened to be flicking through the crop circle

666
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:31.239
<v Speaker 2>book and I came across this crop circle and it

667
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>was from nineteen ninety four, and it was called the

668
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Scorpion crop circle and it would have been laid July

669
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth. Now, if you google on images Scorpion crop

670
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 2>circle nineteen ninety four, you'll see the crop circle I'm

671
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 2>on about that is the exact representation of the UFO

672
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.880
<v Speaker 2>that I saw in twenty twelve.

673
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 3>July fifteenth. What was the date again, July fifteenth of

674
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:15.519
<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve.

675
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:23.519
<v Speaker 2>So that was my sighting. The the crop circle appeared

676
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety four, July fifteenth. M So again you've

677
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:40.440
<v Speaker 2>got this synchronicity, you know, you've got you know, I've

678
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:46.800
<v Speaker 2>seen this biological creature thing and it's a it's an

679
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.519
<v Speaker 2>exact copy of a crop circle from ninety four. And

680
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 2>it's only tonight before I started talking to you that

681
00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:00.840
<v Speaker 2>it dawned on me. Is this I always thought when

682
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I put the two and two together and the dates

683
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 2>were the same, I put two and two together, and

684
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought, Okay, so maybe maybe the creature that I saw,

685
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the biological UFO is are there is the thing that

686
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 2>has caused some of the crop circles, because some of

687
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 2>the crop circles from ninety four look very similar to

688
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 2>the scorpion one that I've just mentioned, and I thought,

689
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe that's what's creating them. And it's only tonight

690
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I wondered, could that UFO that I saw had just

691
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:48.480
<v Speaker 2>taken on that form as a as a way of

692
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 2>falling me? Because I think when you when you when

693
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you delve deep into the UFO field, you see there's

694
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of I think there's a lot of deception

695
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 2>going on with it, a bit like a bit like

696
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 2>the paranor like when you do a Wiji boarder a sounce,

697
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 2>you never quite know who he's coming through. And I

698
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:21.400
<v Speaker 2>wonder if the UFO phenomena is very similar where it's

699
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 2>like like a cat and mouse kind of very deceptive.

700
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm. When it comes to the whole UFO thing

701
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 1>in general, I don't really. A lot of the time,

702
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:41.679
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of the things that people are

703
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 1>seeing are us in the sense that some of the

704
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 1>craft might be in government military and they're keeping it

705
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:56.599
<v Speaker 1>a secret, yep. And then a lot of the time

706
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm like when people say they see these things and

707
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 1>this and then, and I'm like, I don't doubt that

708
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you're not seeing things, But I don't know if they're

709
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 1>necessarily aliens or extra trailer or whatever you want to

710
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.119
<v Speaker 1>call it. I don't know if it's that. But lately,

711
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 1>with these orbs and these smaller things than some of

712
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>the things that are doing a lot of the crazy movements,

713
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't think a human could survive the movements. That's

714
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 1>where I start to question, especially the things that you

715
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 1>see bleed in and out, like those are almost like

716
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that's coming in and out of our reality.

717
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you think about it, if you remember the

718
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.079
<v Speaker 2>story that I said about when we went into the

719
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 2>hallway and there were flashing orbs, if you lived in

720
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Ireland fifty six years ago, they would be considered fairies.

721
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:59.119
<v Speaker 2>If you lived in Scandinavia, they'd be considered goblins. Because

722
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 2>we have a bit more of a understanding of UFOs

723
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.239
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. We associate it with well, I

724
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:14.320
<v Speaker 2>associate it with UFOs, so it's almost like a cultural thing,

725
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, although there was no form to these orbs

726
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:27.320
<v Speaker 2>that were pulsating. When you look at pictures of you know,

727
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Victorian Victorian pictures of fairies, they often appear to have

728
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:43.760
<v Speaker 2>what looked likes sparkles of light. They often sparkle, and

729
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I often wonder is are what our ancestors

730
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:54.880
<v Speaker 2>have seen, you know, when they've called them fairies? Are

731
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.360
<v Speaker 2>they actually part of the UFO phenomena? You know, when

732
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you have fairies that take children away. In England, a

733
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.679
<v Speaker 2>lot of old houses you'll have a shoe look of

734
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 2>an old I think it's I think they used to

735
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:17.119
<v Speaker 2>put a girl's shoe in the wall at the top

736
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.599
<v Speaker 2>of the stairs. And what that was to do that

737
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 2>was to fall any goblins or sprites into thinking that

738
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 2>there was a girl there, because it was often the

739
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 2>boys that were taken. Is that this is old English

740
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:38.519
<v Speaker 2>folklore and you can still find these shoes and the

741
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 2>stories behind these shoes. People believed, you know, people believed

742
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>that strongly that their children were going to be taken

743
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:51.840
<v Speaker 2>away by these spirits or these you know, fairies or whatnot.

744
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:59.159
<v Speaker 2>But then if you think about the alien induction scenario,

745
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.519
<v Speaker 2>it all it's almost like the same story, but with

746
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:09.880
<v Speaker 2>different characters. You know, the the alien abduction would you'd

747
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 2>have these small creatures coming and you know, this is

748
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:20.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of what people have suggested. Small creatures, grays, large eyes.

749
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:26.639
<v Speaker 2>They come in, abduct you in your sleep, do experiments

750
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 2>with you, and drop you back. It's very much the

751
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:33.280
<v Speaker 2>same as the goblins and fairies that would take children,

752
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you know. So what I'm saying is, are we just

753
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 2>catching up with what folklore has been telling us all along.

754
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I've had conversations with others too, and I've said it

755
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:49.679
<v Speaker 1>multiple times. I think a lot of this stuff is

756
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.960
<v Speaker 1>related one way or the other, Like when it comes

757
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to UFOs, when it comes to fae, when it comes

758
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to even paranormal they're in cryptal the things that are

759
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.639
<v Speaker 1>we're all experiencing. What if it is all connected in

760
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the sense that it's all from this different existence that

761
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:11.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't normally see, but that's what comes over into

762
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.400
<v Speaker 1>our reality. We're calling them aliens, we're calling them demons,

763
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.960
<v Speaker 1>we're calling them whatever. What if it's all one and

764
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the scene. It's something from a different frequency, a different

765
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.199
<v Speaker 1>plane of existence that we can't normally see or interact with.

766
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my question then would be is it the Is

767
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>it the individual that is causing these things to be

768
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Speaker 2>attracted to a home or or is it something else?

769
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>You know? Is it the person or.

770
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a lot of people that have experiences

771
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:53.000
<v Speaker 1>seem to have a lot more experiences than the average person.

772
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Like if just from doing this show and I've said it,

773
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.039
<v Speaker 1>and now that I've said it to me, it's like

774
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I kind of go back on it. But originally I

775
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:08.000
<v Speaker 1>always thought when people had all these fantastical stories, I

776
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.760
<v Speaker 1>saw UFO. Well I also saw this, and I've got

777
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 1>paranormals like, well, how is some person having all these

778
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>experience and it makes no sense? Why would what makes

779
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you special? Yeah, And the more and more I've looked

780
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>into it, there that connection is there?

781
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha?

782
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 1>So, like my perspective has kind of changed, and the

783
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>fact when people say they've had all these experiences, I

784
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:36.320
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily just write it off because maybe they are

785
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:38.519
<v Speaker 1>having all these experiences. And again, like you said, is

786
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:39.159
<v Speaker 1>it the person?

787
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is why, this is why I said to

788
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.559
<v Speaker 2>you right at the beginning when we saw this, well,

789
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.039
<v Speaker 2>when Lucy saw this black figure come through the come

790
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>through the room, and she said, the frequency changed. That's

791
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 2>why I said earlier on whether there was a UFO

792
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.280
<v Speaker 2>around or if there was some kind of interaction that

793
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.800
<v Speaker 2>we didn't know about, and that was a byproduct. You know,

794
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 2>if you if you take a fighter jet and you

795
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and you fly it at the speed of sound or

796
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 2>just over the speed of sound, you have a sonic boom.

797
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:24.800
<v Speaker 2>That's a byproduct of the plane interacting with the atmosphere around.

798
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:31.719
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if, I wonder if because I mean

799
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I've watched quite quite a lot of most haunted and

800
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 2>ghost you know, ghost investigations and things like that, and

801
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 2>there was a particular American one years and years ago,

802
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:48.079
<v Speaker 2>and what they realized was that the house that was

803
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:52.559
<v Speaker 2>having all this activity, the house was wired in a

804
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.880
<v Speaker 2>particular way where all the wiring was kind of going

805
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 2>in a loop. I know, you know, you have a

806
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:05.280
<v Speaker 2>ring maine for you downstairs and the same upstairs. But

807
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the particular way this house was wired meant that they

808
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 2>were suggesting that it was almost creating a kind of

809
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:22.719
<v Speaker 2>vortex which was attracting these experiences. So I'm wondering if

810
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:28.079
<v Speaker 2>you know the propulsion of a craft has the same

811
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:32.280
<v Speaker 2>effect on the atmosphere, which then the byproduct of that

812
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.119
<v Speaker 2>is it opens up these kind of porsals rifts in time,

813
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.320
<v Speaker 2>if you want to say it, and lets these things

814
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:42.760
<v Speaker 2>come through.

815
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:50.480
<v Speaker 1>M It's weird in the last few years, how more

816
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and more people are starting to lean this way. And

817
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's because of podcasts and people

818
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 1>are listening to stuff like this and their minds are

819
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.639
<v Speaker 1>more open to it, or are we possibly all just

820
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 1>starting to tune in more to that, because I feel

821
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>like ten years ago, if someone would have said something

822
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 1>like this, most people would have still thrown you out.

823
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 1>It's called you crazy or whatever. But today it's not

824
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.119
<v Speaker 1>so out there.

825
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:22.360
<v Speaker 2>When all this happened in twenty twelve, I started getting

826
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:28.480
<v Speaker 2>messages from people that did podcasts and who did run

827
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:32.320
<v Speaker 2>UFO groups, and I was asked to be a guest

828
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 2>speaker at quite well known UFO conference in London. So

829
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I went and did that, and I always remember the

830
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.559
<v Speaker 2>first It was my first proper big talk, if you like,

831
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.239
<v Speaker 2>and I think I went into a lot more detail

832
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:53.920
<v Speaker 2>than what I've done tonight. But the one thing I said,

833
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 2>and I remember starting it off and I said, what

834
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:01.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you, if somebody told me, I

835
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 2>probably wouldn't believe it. And that's how I start used

836
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:07.760
<v Speaker 2>to start my talks because I think the thing is,

837
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I think over the years, people there's more platforms for

838
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:21.960
<v Speaker 2>people to talk, there's more platforms for people to be open,

839
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 2>and the more people that do these talks. I mean,

840
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:28.719
<v Speaker 2>the reason why I'm sat up at half three now

841
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:32.800
<v Speaker 2>in the morning is because I want to get my

842
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.559
<v Speaker 2>story to other people that may have had similar experiences

843
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.559
<v Speaker 2>that can then message me and say, I've had this

844
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:42.519
<v Speaker 2>strange thing happened to me that's just the same as yours,

845
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and maybe over time put pieces of the puzzle together.

846
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.599
<v Speaker 1>I think there's so many puzzle pieces out there that

847
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 1>we're only getting bits and pieces. I listened to some

848
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:59.280
<v Speaker 1>other podcasts and they've said it the same way I

849
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:03.000
<v Speaker 1>just kind of did. We're all fed little pieces, and

850
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot of us trying to take

851
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:09.599
<v Speaker 1>these weird pieces and put them together for this big puzzle. Yeah,

852
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:14.159
<v Speaker 1>and we're still missing a lot of the pieces.

853
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I think. I think when it comes to maybe the

854
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 2>government and what the government know. I would recommend not

855
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.800
<v Speaker 2>even bothering to pay attention to what you think the

856
01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:32.679
<v Speaker 2>government knows. I would pay more attention to what the

857
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:36.840
<v Speaker 2>average Joe down the street is talking about on these podcasts.

858
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:42.760
<v Speaker 2>That's where I think the phenomena is kind of real.

859
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.440
<v Speaker 2>That's where you're going to get the real stories from

860
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.199
<v Speaker 2>the problem with you know, the main we have it

861
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:57.119
<v Speaker 2>here on mainstream TV now, where years ago they put

862
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 2>a story out on the news and it would all

863
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:05.920
<v Speaker 2>always be accompanied with X files music and it wouldn't

864
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>be taken seriously, whereas now they're kind of almost owning

865
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:17.079
<v Speaker 2>a narrative. So what you'll find is that what you

866
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:19.800
<v Speaker 2>see on the mainstream and what the government tell you

867
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:24.199
<v Speaker 2>is a narrative that they want you to go along with,

868
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:26.960
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the narrative of the

869
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:31.920
<v Speaker 2>individual that's experienced it. And I think, I mean, I've

870
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:39.159
<v Speaker 2>spoken to countless other experiences and their stories are some

871
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:43.119
<v Speaker 2>of them are far more exotic than mine. Some of

872
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:46.599
<v Speaker 2>them are not quite exotic, but they still have elements

873
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:52.760
<v Speaker 2>of strange things that have happened that need listening to,

874
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:57.800
<v Speaker 2>and you know, with a bit of discernment piecing together

875
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 2>what was going to say earlier when I was talking

876
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:05.480
<v Speaker 2>about the Bible and the Book of Revelations. The one

877
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:10.760
<v Speaker 2>thing I'd come out of this depression, if you like,

878
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:15.519
<v Speaker 2>and it was self induced from you know, over indulgence

879
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:19.360
<v Speaker 2>of you know, the paranormal and stuff like that, as

880
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 2>I explained earlier. But the one thing that the Eureka

881
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:28.719
<v Speaker 2>moment was. The Book of Revelations is a classic UFO abduction,

882
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 2>which I've gone I've done. I did a radio show

883
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:41.000
<v Speaker 2>interview and I had to go back three times. I

884
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.400
<v Speaker 2>did it three three weeks consecutive weeks of about three

885
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:50.239
<v Speaker 2>hours each time to try and explain what my theory was.

886
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:55.800
<v Speaker 2>My theory, as far as I'm concerned, makes total sense.

887
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:04.880
<v Speaker 2>So this this whole alien and reduction interaiding interaction UFO interaction,

888
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:11.159
<v Speaker 2>in my eyes, goes way back throughout history, probably pre

889
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:16.039
<v Speaker 2>It's probably something that we've always had. You know, it's

890
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:20.559
<v Speaker 2>nothing new, it's not from hasn't never started in nineteen

891
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:24.960
<v Speaker 2>forty seven. You know, we've roswell. It was going on

892
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.039
<v Speaker 2>thousands of years before that. As far as I'm concerned, if.

893
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:34.280
<v Speaker 1>You look into the lore of Europe you mentioned like

894
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 1>the faith. There's been stories long before forty seven. And

895
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to throw in the antient astronaut theory

896
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.079
<v Speaker 1>because the it gets tossed around all the time. But

897
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I still feel like there is some bit of plausibility

898
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:54.320
<v Speaker 1>to that, in the sense of when you look at

899
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:57.519
<v Speaker 1>pyramids and how they were built. I understand they claim

900
01:05:57.599 --> 01:05:59.639
<v Speaker 1>that they were done by slaves and they were being

901
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:04.239
<v Speaker 1>pulled by police system. Yeah, okay, that's whatever they can that.

902
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's true, But how do you can how did

903
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.679
<v Speaker 1>everyone evolve to the point to where there was pyramids

904
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:18.519
<v Speaker 1>and China pyramids and Egypt pyramids in South America around

905
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the same time frame. What made everyone start to just

906
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:23.280
<v Speaker 1>start building pyramids?

907
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to hear my theory, my ancient astronaut theory?

908
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

909
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, And I think we're seeing it unfold as we speak.

910
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:40.440
<v Speaker 2>We've seen it unfold now. And I'll explain. My belief

911
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:46.360
<v Speaker 2>is that thousands of years ago, we've had high technology,

912
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:53.159
<v Speaker 2>high you know, advanced civilization. I also believe that we

913
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:59.559
<v Speaker 2>probably managed to go off planet, some of us at

914
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:04.719
<v Speaker 2>least off planet. Now. If you think today we've got

915
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:12.440
<v Speaker 2>people in remote islands that have barely seen another human

916
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:16.199
<v Speaker 2>another modern human being, and they still live in as

917
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 2>fishermen in huts, and that's their way of living. They

918
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.000
<v Speaker 2>don't even they don't even consider that there's anything other

919
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:28.920
<v Speaker 2>than what their island is gives them. And if you

920
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:36.000
<v Speaker 2>think back to the World War two, I think it

921
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:42.599
<v Speaker 2>was America stationed a lot of their aircraft in the Philippines,

922
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and when the Filipinos saw all these planes, the consensus

923
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:56.639
<v Speaker 2>was that they thought that they were gods. So then

924
01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.159
<v Speaker 2>when the war was over and all these planes left,

925
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:05.960
<v Speaker 2>they they wanted the gods to come back. So they

926
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:11.559
<v Speaker 2>saw the American airplanes has been piloted by the gods,

927
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:15.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's what's known as a cargo cult. And I

928
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:22.399
<v Speaker 2>believe that the world at the moment, we've got elon Musk,

929
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:27.600
<v Speaker 2>that is, you know, doing these space walks and wanting

930
01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:32.039
<v Speaker 2>to put humans on Mars. If you think how we've

931
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:37.000
<v Speaker 2>evolved over just one hundred years, you know, if you

932
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.199
<v Speaker 2>think where are we going to be in fifty years,

933
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:42.079
<v Speaker 2>We're still going to have people in the Amazon that

934
01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:46.560
<v Speaker 2>are using bows and arrows to hunt. They're still going

935
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:52.119
<v Speaker 2>to be making wicker baskets, while people like billionaires are

936
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:58.920
<v Speaker 2>walking on Mars in these million pounds spacesuits. So did

937
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:03.439
<v Speaker 2>you see the discrepants between They're the same race of

938
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:09.760
<v Speaker 2>human being, but they're Marles apart in their technology.

939
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Right.

940
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:17.079
<v Speaker 2>So you imagine people that have traveled to Mars via

941
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk, billionaires that have traveled to Mars. They're not

942
01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:26.920
<v Speaker 2>necessarily farmers. They're not necessarily people that know how to

943
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:33.079
<v Speaker 2>work the land. Now, imagine if the world was obliterated

944
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.319
<v Speaker 2>by a comet, and let's say ninety percent of the

945
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:42.119
<v Speaker 2>planet was wiped out, and all that's left is remnants

946
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:46.439
<v Speaker 2>of what was there before. But yet the people that

947
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:52.600
<v Speaker 2>had moved to Mars fifty years before come back, they

948
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:57.479
<v Speaker 2>would be considered gods. Now if the people from Mars,

949
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.600
<v Speaker 2>which aren't Martians, they're from Earth, but they just moved

950
01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:05.359
<v Speaker 2>to Mars, that have come back to get more supplies

951
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:07.960
<v Speaker 2>or you know, and they find that the Earth's being

952
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 2>obliterated by some comet or a flood or whatever, and

953
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:17.479
<v Speaker 2>they find all the basic humans that are just scavengers.

954
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Now those scavengers will see these people coming in from

955
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the sky and they will think that they're the savior.

956
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Now it's human ego to use that for your own advantage.

957
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.920
<v Speaker 2>So my opinion is that that scenario that I've just

958
01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:41.760
<v Speaker 2>explained happened tens of thousands of years ago and will

959
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:45.720
<v Speaker 2>probably happen again. So the UFOs that we see today

960
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:49.840
<v Speaker 2>may not be from another planet, but actually from our

961
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.279
<v Speaker 2>They could quite well be our ancestors that have moved

962
01:10:54.319 --> 01:11:00.319
<v Speaker 2>off planet from an earlier catastrophe. It's just it's just

963
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:01.600
<v Speaker 2>my kind of theory.

964
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I've heard something similar to it, and honestly it makes

965
01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sense. Yeah, but I only start to wonder,

966
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and this is where it goes back to when people

967
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:18.279
<v Speaker 1>say they've been abducted, when they always the descriptions that

968
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.840
<v Speaker 1>they give of what they see. But when you hear

969
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:26.319
<v Speaker 1>people talking about the Nords, the Platians pleading and what

970
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.479
<v Speaker 1>every want to pronounce them, they're described like us.

971
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

972
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:37.319
<v Speaker 1>So that's where I struggle with it because obviously I

973
01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:40.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know. But you hear your grades, you hear your reptili,

974
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:42.439
<v Speaker 1>and you hear your insect toil, Like there's all these

975
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:47.840
<v Speaker 1>different sort of races out there supposedly, m So does

976
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.840
<v Speaker 1>that mean that those who are also two or we

977
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that's from the That's where I don't know, and I

978
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:55.079
<v Speaker 1>don't think anyone really does.

979
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:59.600
<v Speaker 2>But although my sort of story, if you like, lens

980
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:04.800
<v Speaker 2>itself to a possible alien abduction scenario with the you know,

981
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the Little Workers, the UFO, I've never I will never

982
01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:13.159
<v Speaker 2>ever say that that's what happened, that I was abducted by.

983
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I won't ever because there's no proof. The whole abduction

984
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:22.640
<v Speaker 2>thing could quite well be a psychological story, could be

985
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:25.439
<v Speaker 2>something that is inherent in all of us and just

986
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:30.159
<v Speaker 2>comes out through the dream state when certain chemicals are

987
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:37.680
<v Speaker 2>released into the body during sleep. You know that that's

988
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:43.319
<v Speaker 2>another possibility. The only problem with that theory is that

989
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:49.119
<v Speaker 2>you have people that have physical and multiple witnesses to

990
01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:53.199
<v Speaker 2>things that have happened that you know, people that are

991
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:57.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, your classic Betty and Barney Hill that are

992
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 2>out in the car, that are out in a car

993
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:07.319
<v Speaker 2>you know they're driving, and they both witness the same thing.

994
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.079
<v Speaker 1>I actually had an interview with someone that mentioned that,

995
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and not to sound I know everyone construes things as

996
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.720
<v Speaker 1>racism or whatever, but they claim in that interview that

997
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.680
<v Speaker 1>if you ever notice, you don't hear very many African

998
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:30.520
<v Speaker 1>American people being abducted. Yeah, that is the one time

999
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.560
<v Speaker 1>that that has been documented, you don't ever hear about

1000
01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it that often, And I was thinking, I was like,

1001
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what, that's kind of true. I haven't really

1002
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:44.159
<v Speaker 1>heard for any like any actual mainstream I don't almost

1003
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.680
<v Speaker 1>say mainstream, but like more known cases of that, like

1004
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Barney seems to be the only one that I can

1005
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:52.880
<v Speaker 1>think of. And I don't know if that is because

1006
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:54.920
<v Speaker 1>we're here in America. We only think about it here.

1007
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Like obviously, there's a lot of people around the planet,

1008
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:02.800
<v Speaker 1>so it's narrow minded to say that doesn't happen, you

1009
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:06.319
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. But just for like pies that

1010
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I've actually heard about, I haven't heard anything about anyone else,

1011
01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 1>at least in around America that that's happened to.

1012
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Now that you've just mentioned that, Like I said, I've

1013
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:22.000
<v Speaker 2>listened to count this podcast of interviews with people that

1014
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:26.359
<v Speaker 2>have claimed to be abducted and had UFA encounters. Now

1015
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:31.520
<v Speaker 2>that you've just mentioned that, they're all white people, I

1016
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:37.880
<v Speaker 2>can't think of any black men, men or woman that

1017
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I've ever listened to. It's always been Is that because

1018
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:45.840
<v Speaker 2>they they haven't come forward yet, or is that just

1019
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the demographic of the UFO encounter.

1020
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Which is weird in it itself as to why they

1021
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:56.800
<v Speaker 1>would only want white people, you know what I mean,

1022
01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Like that doesn't make any sense to me either. Like

1023
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I look at it and the sense of what we do. Now,

1024
01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:07.520
<v Speaker 1>imagine if you're out on a boat, and you're trying

1025
01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to tag a shark, well, they're gonna do. They're gonna

1026
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:11.760
<v Speaker 1>tag it, pull it up there, they look at it

1027
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and inspect, then they release it. We do that with

1028
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.000
<v Speaker 1>almost every sort of animal. So if these beans are

1029
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.159
<v Speaker 1>actual beings, kind of in the same sense of what

1030
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:22.000
<v Speaker 1>they're doing with us, maybe they're picking us up, checking

1031
01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:25.359
<v Speaker 1>us out, tagging us, releasing us, and see what we

1032
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.319
<v Speaker 1>go on and do. Now you've heard the horror stories

1033
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.560
<v Speaker 1>of where they do the hibernation or the all that other,

1034
01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:36.199
<v Speaker 1>like taking babies or whatever for god knows what reasons.

1035
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying I don't believe in any of that.

1036
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know. I've never experienced this, so I

1037
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 1>don't rule anything out, But I can't understand why they

1038
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:49.119
<v Speaker 1>would need us to do that. Unless this kind of

1039
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<v Speaker 1>goes back to what you were saying originally, that maybe

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01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:56.319
<v Speaker 1>we're actually offshoots from them, maybe they are us that

1041
01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:01.439
<v Speaker 1>has evolved in space differently, maybe I don't, like I said,

1042
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:05.159
<v Speaker 1>I just just spitball here. But for me, when it

1043
01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:07.279
<v Speaker 1>comes to all that stuff, it's like, where does this

1044
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.760
<v Speaker 1>What is the point? I guess. And then when you

1045
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.000
<v Speaker 1>look into the fact that it's only seems to be

1046
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:19.520
<v Speaker 1>white people being abducted, and a lot of the time

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01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:23.399
<v Speaker 1>it's the people that have the same blood type. I

1048
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:25.399
<v Speaker 1>think it's type of negative blood type. It seems to

1049
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.760
<v Speaker 1>be a real common trait between people that get abducted,

1050
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the RH negative.

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01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.239
<v Speaker 2>That seems to be. I think they seem to have

1052
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the higher percentage of abductees or so called abducteaes, they

1053
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.680
<v Speaker 2>tend have the RH negative blood.

1054
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:49.000
<v Speaker 1>It's peculiar in the sense because even when I talked

1055
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:52.239
<v Speaker 1>to another guest that brought this up, and I've, like

1056
01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:54.439
<v Speaker 1>I said, this is my way of putting pieces of

1057
01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:57.119
<v Speaker 1>puzzle together by talking to different people. But I've when

1058
01:16:57.159 --> 01:16:59.439
<v Speaker 1>it comes to cattle mutilations, they think that they use

1059
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the cattle, the thing the things they cut out of them,

1060
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:08.359
<v Speaker 1>they're using those to grow fetuses. And I thought about

1061
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:10.359
<v Speaker 1>the fact that all this blood type is a universal

1062
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:15.880
<v Speaker 1>blood type for humans, so maybe they need those people's

1063
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:21.199
<v Speaker 1>DNA and their blood to breed these hybrids. Maybe that's

1064
01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:22.960
<v Speaker 1>how they go about doing that's why to take these

1065
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:24.680
<v Speaker 1>certain people, because they can do that. And if they're

1066
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:33.279
<v Speaker 1>using the cattle to embryo, create whatever, to incubate these babies,

1067
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:36.000
<v Speaker 1>these hybrid babies, maybe that's what all this is for.

1068
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:38.960
<v Speaker 1>But again, what is the point, Like, what are they

1069
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:40.199
<v Speaker 1>using all these hybrids for?

1070
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:48.439
<v Speaker 2>If you so I wrote, I've written two UFO books.

1071
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:51.079
<v Speaker 2>One of them is about my experiences. The other one

1072
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:55.560
<v Speaker 2>is the link between the Book of Revelations and the

1073
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:59.119
<v Speaker 2>alien abduction thing. The one thing that you notice in

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01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the Book of Revelations is that it's the return of

1075
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:12.399
<v Speaker 2>these gods that come and make the world a better place,

1076
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:18.039
<v Speaker 2>shall we say? And if you look, if you read

1077
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:24.239
<v Speaker 2>David Jacob's work, he's he used to do. I don't

1078
01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:26.319
<v Speaker 2>know if he still does it. I think he's probably

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01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:29.039
<v Speaker 2>in his eighties now. He used to do a lot

1080
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 2>of regression therapy for abductees in the late eighties. And

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01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:42.479
<v Speaker 2>I read his book Secret Life. I think I've still

1082
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:47.199
<v Speaker 2>got it back in the early nineties, and all the

1083
01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:54.920
<v Speaker 2>accounts that he uncovered the hybrid he uncovered this whole

1084
01:18:55.760 --> 01:19:04.119
<v Speaker 2>hybridization program where these women were being impregnated and then

1085
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:09.279
<v Speaker 2>they'd carry the butt, the the child for something like

1086
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:12.840
<v Speaker 2>three months, and then suddenly they the woman would not

1087
01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:15.720
<v Speaker 2>be pregnant anymore, but the fetus would have been taken.

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01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:19.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think you just mentioned that you spoke to

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01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:25.399
<v Speaker 2>another woman. Was somebody else about this scenario, and I

1090
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:29.680
<v Speaker 2>think I listened to this. I listened to that podcast

1091
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.079
<v Speaker 2>last week and it was the name Elizabeth.

1092
01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:37.319
<v Speaker 1>That was Laura.

1093
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:44.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Dave, if you read David Jaco's work, Secret Life,

1094
01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:48.560
<v Speaker 2>he describes how these people, these women go under hypnotic regression,

1095
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:53.079
<v Speaker 2>they take in their regression, they're taken onto these ships

1096
01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:59.720
<v Speaker 2>and the hybrids that they see are in these cryogenic

1097
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.039
<v Speaker 2>was these you know tubes if you like. So the

1098
01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:07.920
<v Speaker 2>womb you know, the cattle mutilation thing and using the

1099
01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:12.079
<v Speaker 2>wombs of a cattle, I'm not sure if that if

1100
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:18.520
<v Speaker 2>there's any correlation with that. I've heard. I've heard a

1101
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>few stories about cattle mutilations. Again, back in it was

1102
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:29.359
<v Speaker 2>big in like the eighties and nineties in England. We

1103
01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:34.600
<v Speaker 2>had it where they you know, cattle would be just dissected,

1104
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 2>blood taken, eyes, everything taken surgically, like laser precision I'm

1105
01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:46.680
<v Speaker 2>sure that I listened to a podcast about it, about

1106
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:50.479
<v Speaker 2>an expert in the field, and I think the consensus

1107
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:54.119
<v Speaker 2>was that it was almost there wasn't any real point

1108
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to it other than to prove that they had the

1109
01:20:56.960 --> 01:21:01.399
<v Speaker 2>technology to do it, and that was kind of like

1110
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the start and finish of it. There wasn't any much

1111
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:07.520
<v Speaker 2>There wasn't much of a point to it.

1112
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:10.079
<v Speaker 1>I seem weird though, that they would just do it

1113
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:11.600
<v Speaker 1>just to do it, and like, hey, look we can

1114
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:13.239
<v Speaker 1>do that. Why don't we to just show up down

1115
01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:16.760
<v Speaker 1>here and prove that you exist? Don't Well, it would

1116
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.119
<v Speaker 1>be the secret of that, and that concept doesn't make

1117
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:21.319
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of sense to me, But I don't.

1118
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:27.439
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at the crop circle, you know, I know,

1119
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I know kind of second third hand people that are

1120
01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:39.840
<v Speaker 2>supposedly involved in creating the crop circles. But then when

1121
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you look at them, the crop circles, and you see

1122
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:46.960
<v Speaker 2>how quickly they're made and how intricate they are, it

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01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:52.199
<v Speaker 2>does kind of make you think, well, after thirty forty

1124
01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:58.560
<v Speaker 2>years of these being made, surely someone somewhere would know

1125
01:21:58.800 --> 01:21:59.399
<v Speaker 2>the secret.

1126
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:04.680
<v Speaker 1>There's some intricate the ones that I've seen that just

1127
01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:08.000
<v Speaker 1>seems to be impossible, in my opinion, for someone to

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01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:09.279
<v Speaker 1>go out there and do in a matter of a

1129
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:15.880
<v Speaker 1>couple hours. And again, I guess it's cool that you

1130
01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:18.680
<v Speaker 1>did that, and that people are making them like cool

1131
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>you made this. Like at the end of the day,

1132
01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:26.199
<v Speaker 1>no one's going to know, So what's the point. When

1133
01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I go back to a lot of things, always try

1134
01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:29.680
<v Speaker 1>and figure out, like, what is the point why there's

1135
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:30.880
<v Speaker 1>people doing what they're doing.

1136
01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is one. There is a crop circle that

1137
01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:40.039
<v Speaker 2>is that was an advertised It was an advertisement, But

1138
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:42.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people don't realize that it was an advertisement.

1139
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:49.119
<v Speaker 2>It was obviously circular, and it had what looked like

1140
01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:55.239
<v Speaker 2>a marijuana leaf in the middle and all these symbols

1141
01:22:55.439 --> 01:23:00.279
<v Speaker 2>on the outside of this crop circle. And I know

1142
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:04.199
<v Speaker 2>for fact that that was from that was an advertisement

1143
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:11.119
<v Speaker 2>from a glass a bond company that commissioned it, that

1144
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:17.479
<v Speaker 2>commissioned this crop circle. But again, people people will believe

1145
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:20.560
<v Speaker 2>what they want to believe, even even if you tell

1146
01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:25.319
<v Speaker 2>them it's like it. I'll tell you a quick story.

1147
01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:28.079
<v Speaker 2>When I was in this Crop Circles group years and

1148
01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>years ago, there's all sorts of things that people were

1149
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:37.560
<v Speaker 2>believe in and stories that were being shared and I

1150
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:40.079
<v Speaker 2>said to them, look, said, I'll show you how easy

1151
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:44.520
<v Speaker 2>it is to manipulate people. And I I got this

1152
01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:51.920
<v Speaker 2>picture of the three pyramids and I in photoshop really quickly,

1153
01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:57.159
<v Speaker 2>but three beams of light coming from each tip of

1154
01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:00.760
<v Speaker 2>the pyramids and a post it on this group and

1155
01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, there you go. That's how easy

1156
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>it is. And people started commenting on it, saying, see,

1157
01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I told you that the pyramids have these energy beams.

1158
01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, I said, no, hold on, I said,

1159
01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you that I created that picture, and they said, well, no,

1160
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't believe you that this looks real

1161
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:25.239
<v Speaker 2>to me. And I just thought, I'm telling you that

1162
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I created it, and you're still not believing that I

1163
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:32.760
<v Speaker 2>created it, And it was just it was quite a

1164
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:40.039
<v Speaker 2>quite an eye opener to what people will believe, right,

1165
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.640
<v Speaker 2>what people want to believe, regardless of the facts.

1166
01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I think people are just they're hold on to that

1167
01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:53.840
<v Speaker 1>hope so much, to their beliefs that they're real. And

1168
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:59.520
<v Speaker 1>then I think we'd mentioned this off airs when I

1169
01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:01.920
<v Speaker 1>get both those of stuff that don't I don't see

1170
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>things that people are saying that they see and they

1171
01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:06.880
<v Speaker 1>get mad at me over it because I don't see

1172
01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>what they're saying. They're seeing it like you're crushing their

1173
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:15.399
<v Speaker 1>whole belief. So instead of seeing it as well, maybe

1174
01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:18.119
<v Speaker 1>that's not real, and they're like what they blame the

1175
01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>other people for not being able to accept it, and

1176
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:23.279
<v Speaker 1>they want to believe it so much that they manifested

1177
01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:25.119
<v Speaker 1>in their own mind. They really are seeing what they're

1178
01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:26.560
<v Speaker 1>seeing and the rest of us don't see it.

1179
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Then, if you think about it, it's the same with

1180
01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>any education. You know, if you're if you're an archaeologist

1181
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:41.640
<v Speaker 2>or a scientist, or you're a religious person. You know,

1182
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:44.239
<v Speaker 2>you think of how many gods there are in how

1183
01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:48.119
<v Speaker 2>many different religions. You try and tell each one of

1184
01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:52.159
<v Speaker 2>these religions, the people that follow these religions that they're

1185
01:25:52.159 --> 01:25:56.119
<v Speaker 2>all wrong because they all believe in that something different,

1186
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.199
<v Speaker 2>so they can't all be right, so they must all

1187
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:04.159
<v Speaker 2>be wrong. That's how wars are created. You know, if

1188
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>you have if you have, science is another religion as

1189
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:14.039
<v Speaker 2>far as I'm concerned. You know, science will not look

1190
01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:17.279
<v Speaker 2>into certain paranormal things because it can't be a lot

1191
01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:22.479
<v Speaker 2>of paranormal things can't be replicated, so they're not interested

1192
01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:25.960
<v Speaker 2>because that's not science. That doesn't mean say that these

1193
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.560
<v Speaker 2>things don't exist or they don't carry on. It's just

1194
01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:33.479
<v Speaker 2>that science won't touch them because they have their own

1195
01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:37.439
<v Speaker 2>set of rules that they adhere to. Archaeology that's the

1196
01:26:37.479 --> 01:26:41.520
<v Speaker 2>same same sort of thing. You know, Archaeologists will swear

1197
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.479
<v Speaker 2>blind that. Like I say, going back to the Pyramids,

1198
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:50.439
<v Speaker 2>the pyramids are built for as a tomb, and they

1199
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:55.439
<v Speaker 2>were built in twenty years or something. And then you know,

1200
01:26:55.479 --> 01:26:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you do the maths on how many blocks are there

1201
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>or in each one, and it works out that you'd

1202
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>have to be quarrying each block, cutting it, shaping it,

1203
01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and moving it into place I think once every two minutes,

1204
01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>if you go along with what archaeologists tell you. You know,

1205
01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, you get people like Graham Hancock that come

1206
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:22.880
<v Speaker 2>along and give them a bit more of a a

1207
01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:27.199
<v Speaker 2>different perspective. They're not interested, you know. They they vilified

1208
01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:38.479
<v Speaker 2>his netflix work because it went against the doctrines that

1209
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>they'd were trying to hold hold up. Like I said,

1210
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:46.079
<v Speaker 2>it's the same with religion, So with the UFO field,

1211
01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:50.159
<v Speaker 2>it's no different. You know, people people want to believe,

1212
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:53.680
<v Speaker 2>because they do believe, they believe that there is something

1213
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.520
<v Speaker 2>other than what is out what is They believe that

1214
01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:01.479
<v Speaker 2>there are you know, moreations out there, which is fine,

1215
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>that's but there's no real proof of it. You can

1216
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:07.159
<v Speaker 2>believe it as much as you like, but there's no proof.

1217
01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>There's no proof that there's life on other planets. We

1218
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:16.600
<v Speaker 2>can only presume that, you know, these ships that we're seeing,

1219
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:20.279
<v Speaker 2>these strange craft and strange creatures, well they must come

1220
01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:24.279
<v Speaker 2>from another planet, because that's what we believe. That's what

1221
01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:25.399
<v Speaker 2>we've been led to believe.

1222
01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:31.479
<v Speaker 1>I had someone trying to I don't love troll is

1223
01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:36.399
<v Speaker 1>the proper term, but I'd made a post recently and

1224
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>someone commented on there that this is all fake, nothing, real,

1225
01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of bullshit. Their picture and if I guess, I'm

1226
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of a creep, but like they were a super

1227
01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>religious person, so I commented back, being a little heard

1228
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>that I can be. I find it very discrediting that

1229
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:09.399
<v Speaker 1>someone that is believes in the existence of a religion

1230
01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:12.479
<v Speaker 1>a deity. I don't know how properly, I don't know

1231
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the exact way I wanted it, but basically I find

1232
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:19.279
<v Speaker 1>it strange that someone that believes in non provable deities

1233
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>is criticizing what other people claim they experience because you're

1234
01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:28.479
<v Speaker 1>saying it's fake, there's no proof, there's nothing exists, but

1235
01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>yet you're believing in religion that also has no proof.

1236
01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Explain that and then he never responded. I'm like, well,

1237
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:41.359
<v Speaker 1>why are you coming out here to talk shit to

1238
01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>me and then can't back up a legitimate question.

1239
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:49.840
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I will call out are CGI videos, right,

1240
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of if you work with CGI, if

1241
01:29:53.600 --> 01:30:02.039
<v Speaker 2>you work with Adobe after effects, you become very CGI

1242
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>then becomes very clear when you when you see it,

1243
01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's the same with AI. You know, I can

1244
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.199
<v Speaker 2>pick out an AI picture very quickly. Other people can't.

1245
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:17.439
<v Speaker 2>And you know, you'll get into these frack cars with

1246
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>people because they're hell bent on withholding that this picture

1247
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>is real, and I'm saying to them, it's not real

1248
01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:28.560
<v Speaker 2>because it's AI. You can tell that it's a I

1249
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:32.439
<v Speaker 2>and they're no, no, no, it's not your your working.

1250
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:37.399
<v Speaker 2>I've been told that I work for the government because too,

1251
01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:43.119
<v Speaker 2>because you kind of just you just have a little

1252
01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>bit more knowledge about something and people don't want to

1253
01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>look stupid. I've got a Facebook a uf it's called

1254
01:30:53.680 --> 01:31:00.279
<v Speaker 2>UFO Discussion Group, and I set it up it's it

1255
01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>up about ten twelve years ago when I had all

1256
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:06.439
<v Speaker 2>these things happen, and I only set it up really

1257
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:11.479
<v Speaker 2>for other experiences, and there was about three hundred people

1258
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:16.119
<v Speaker 2>on there for quite a few years, and I only

1259
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted people on there were that had a story to

1260
01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>tell them. And then I started getting this influx of

1261
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>people that wanted to join the group, so I thought, okay,

1262
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll open it up to other people. And there was

1263
01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:35.439
<v Speaker 2>one guy on there who dismissed everything, and I kept

1264
01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:38.239
<v Speaker 2>getting messages from the other people in the group saying,

1265
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:40.760
<v Speaker 2>why haven't you kicked this guy out? Why are you

1266
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:45.159
<v Speaker 2>letting him say that this is all rubbish? And I said,

1267
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm keeping this person on. I said, because we need

1268
01:31:49.159 --> 01:31:53.520
<v Speaker 2>people like this to challenge what we believe. If you're

1269
01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:57.359
<v Speaker 2>if you're not challenged by a belief, then you're just

1270
01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you're You're then in an echo chamber where you're just

1271
01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by yes people that just agree with you, and

1272
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:12.079
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing outside of that to say, well, what about

1273
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:14.800
<v Speaker 2>this and what about that? And I don't believe this,

1274
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:17.159
<v Speaker 2>and I don't believe that. And I said, I welcome that.

1275
01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:23.279
<v Speaker 2>I welcome people that are going to challenge the UFO

1276
01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>society because there are a lot of fake videos, there's

1277
01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:36.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of odd stories, and I'm going to sneeze,

1278
01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and I just think that, you know, we need, you know,

1279
01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>respectful people that are going to challenge the narrative, if

1280
01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:50.239
<v Speaker 2>you like, they're going to challenge what's being said, and

1281
01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:56.600
<v Speaker 2>they're going to challenge a theory on UFOs, and they're

1282
01:32:56.600 --> 01:32:59.479
<v Speaker 2>going to challenge me on my beliefs. And I totally

1283
01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:03.600
<v Speaker 2>welcome that because I haven't got the answer, and I'm

1284
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.319
<v Speaker 2>quite happy to change my mind if it's if I

1285
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:14.079
<v Speaker 2>hear something that is, you know, worthy of taking on board,

1286
01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:17.239
<v Speaker 2>then I'll do that and it may be a little

1287
01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>bit of information that shifts my perspective a little bit,

1288
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:22.359
<v Speaker 2>and I'm happy to do that.

1289
01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like I said, I'm not against anyone or anything,

1290
01:33:28.119 --> 01:33:30.319
<v Speaker 1>and I'm open minded to a lot of stuff. But

1291
01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't like when people just randomly start attacking other

1292
01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:39.439
<v Speaker 1>people because they have a different set of ideas or beliefs.

1293
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:43.479
<v Speaker 2>I just just to put just to finish what I

1294
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.840
<v Speaker 2>was saying, I deally I did. I did delete him

1295
01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>in the end because he did get a bit too

1296
01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:52.640
<v Speaker 2>surety and I thought I've given you the benefit of

1297
01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.239
<v Speaker 2>the doubt, you know, to catch you on for quite

1298
01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:57.600
<v Speaker 2>a number of years, you know, he was he was

1299
01:33:57.680 --> 01:34:03.119
<v Speaker 2>always popping up on the discussions and he's always thrown

1300
01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:06.079
<v Speaker 2>like a spanner in the works. And eventually I thought,

1301
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>do you know what actually you're You're just being argumentative

1302
01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>for the sake of it. So yeah, I agree, I

1303
01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:11.840
<v Speaker 2>agree with you there.

1304
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you mentioned something earlier. I kind of

1305
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:22.479
<v Speaker 1>said something off air, but someone you mentioned that you're

1306
01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>a government plant been accusa I was too recently because

1307
01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:30.239
<v Speaker 1>my profile picture is when I was at the Indie

1308
01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Popcorn for the Podcast Awards. Oh yeah yeah, and because

1309
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it says Cohn in the background. That is what the

1310
01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.399
<v Speaker 1>subliminal messaging was that I was putting out there everyone

1311
01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:44.159
<v Speaker 1>that I'm just a con artist, as like I'm a

1312
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:48.720
<v Speaker 1>con arst of what oh Christ. So I was getting

1313
01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>attacked about that, and that's the I was like, okay,

1314
01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I just deleted block people. I don't even care.

1315
01:34:56.359 --> 01:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I said, I live in Birmingham. So

1316
01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>in Birmingham, the main symbol, if you like, for Birmingham

1317
01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:08.800
<v Speaker 2>is the ball because we have what's called the ball Ring,

1318
01:35:09.039 --> 01:35:14.399
<v Speaker 2>which is back in pretty two hundred years ago, before

1319
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:17.119
<v Speaker 2>we had a proper city, it was just all farmlands

1320
01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and the ball ring was where people would come and

1321
01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:26.960
<v Speaker 2>bring their livestock to trade and sell whatnot. So the

1322
01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:32.479
<v Speaker 2>ball ring became a symbol of Birmingham. So of course

1323
01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Birmingham is the home to Black Sabbath. Obviously, Ozzy Osborne,

1324
01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Judas Priest, loads of heavy metal bands and led Echelin

1325
01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:49.680
<v Speaker 2>all that. So the ball they made this, they made

1326
01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:57.039
<v Speaker 2>this giant ball made of mechanical parts and they named

1327
01:35:57.119 --> 01:36:02.479
<v Speaker 2>him Ozzie. Okay, so we've got this giant ball made

1328
01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>of metal called Aussie and he's got red eyes. Now,

1329
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:11.039
<v Speaker 2>we had the Olympic and not the what's it called

1330
01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the Commonwealth Games a couple of years ago and the

1331
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.960
<v Speaker 2>opening ceremony they had this ball, had the ball come

1332
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:24.239
<v Speaker 2>out and he had his red eyes. And you know

1333
01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the amount of people that commented on Facebook that were

1334
01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>saying how it was a Satanic ritual and how the

1335
01:36:37.239 --> 01:36:41.119
<v Speaker 2>ball is representative of I think it was bal you know,

1336
01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:45.399
<v Speaker 2>this demon that eats children and this sort of thing.

1337
01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:50.199
<v Speaker 2>And I had to explain to them it's a heritage

1338
01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:56.199
<v Speaker 2>symbol of farmland and they wouldn't have it no, no, no.

1339
01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:00.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know if people want to if people want

1340
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:02.800
<v Speaker 2>to see something evil in something, they've only got to

1341
01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>see something red and they're like, oh no, that's that's

1342
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:09.760
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, that's a plant, that is that's subliminal,

1343
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, like your the con thing in your picture. Yeah, people, people.

1344
01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:20.640
<v Speaker 2>The thing is people love something to have a go at.

1345
01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:24.439
<v Speaker 2>They love to be that. A lot of people feel,

1346
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>especially in the kind of pseudo spiritual world UFO world,

1347
01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:36.279
<v Speaker 2>they like they like there to be an enemy. They

1348
01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:40.159
<v Speaker 2>want there to be an enemy. It's like when you're

1349
01:37:40.199 --> 01:37:43.720
<v Speaker 2>when you're a child and you want to be rebellious.

1350
01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:47.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, you'll rebel about your rebel against anything. And

1351
01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:50.439
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the same in you know this, you

1352
01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>know the spiritual world and you know the truth seeker world.

1353
01:37:54.840 --> 01:37:59.119
<v Speaker 2>They want something to take a pop up. They want

1354
01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:02.439
<v Speaker 2>something they want and then they need an enemy so

1355
01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:04.920
<v Speaker 2>they'll find they'll find that enemy somewhere.

1356
01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>They have to make something just in order to have

1357
01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>something to be against. I don't understand the mentality, but

1358
01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>that just seems to be how it is.

1359
01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the problem that people like myself have is

1360
01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that when you try and explain this to people. You

1361
01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>then become the target, and you then get accused of

1362
01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:28.880
<v Speaker 2>working for the for the elite, and you're one of them,

1363
01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's like a circus.

1364
01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I've realized in the last two years of actually being

1365
01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>involved in these communities, and I'm not even involved. I'm

1366
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:43.399
<v Speaker 1>just a guy that talks to people every now and then.

1367
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:46.279
<v Speaker 1>But I see it from the outside looking in, it

1368
01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:52.079
<v Speaker 1>is nothing but a giant shit show. Yeah, yeah, I

1369
01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:56.359
<v Speaker 1>see nothing but drama. I see nothing but people backstabbing, arguing, fighting.

1370
01:38:57.159 --> 01:39:00.439
<v Speaker 1>Everyone has their own truth in it. If you don't

1371
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:02.399
<v Speaker 1>agree to that it's the truth when they're in, then

1372
01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>you're an enemy. And I don't know. Sometimes I question

1373
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>why I bother. I guess I question the everything else too,

1374
01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.159
<v Speaker 1>So I even question my own sanity sometimes of why

1375
01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I continue to do what I do. But here I am.

1376
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I think you're doing a good job.

1377
01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:19.439
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

1378
01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:21.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you're doing a good job. And the

1379
01:39:21.560 --> 01:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>thing is, I mean, you're you're going to get people,

1380
01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, you're off there. You know, for every

1381
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:32.760
<v Speaker 2>one hundred people that you interview, there's going to be

1382
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:36.079
<v Speaker 2>someone that's going to strike a chord that's going to

1383
01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:41.479
<v Speaker 2>shift your perspective, you know, in a different direction, which

1384
01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:46.199
<v Speaker 2>will make your question, you know, even more. You know,

1385
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the more answers you get, the more quite what's the phrase,

1386
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>The more answers you get, the more questions.

1387
01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:56.439
<v Speaker 1>Basically, the more answers that I've been looking for, the

1388
01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>more questions I come out with.

1389
01:39:58.159 --> 01:39:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

1390
01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I've said that at a time or two, I was like,

1391
01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I started this one to find answers, and I've been

1392
01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>left with more questions than anything.

1393
01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's like what I said to you, you know,

1394
01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:13.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's there's loads of little stories that I

1395
01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:17.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't add in this this talk that we're having lots

1396
01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:24.520
<v Speaker 2>of little things where like, for instance, when when I decide,

1397
01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:27.520
<v Speaker 2>there's quite a few times over the past sort of

1398
01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:31.760
<v Speaker 2>fifteen twenty years that I've come away from the UFO

1399
01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:37.119
<v Speaker 2>community and I've just wanted to live a normal life

1400
01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>and just you know, watch crap TV and just listen

1401
01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to just ship music, and just be quote unquote normal

1402
01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and just do normal things. And within a week or

1403
01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:57.600
<v Speaker 2>two shift in my brain pattern something I'll have some

1404
01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:02.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of experience where oh see something or something will

1405
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:06.479
<v Speaker 2>happen that will draw me back in and it's as

1406
01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:10.039
<v Speaker 2>if they say, uhh, you're not going anywhere, not until

1407
01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you've done what. The other thing that I failed to

1408
01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>mention is when I was a kid growing up, I

1409
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:22.680
<v Speaker 2>always felt as if I had a mission to do

1410
01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:26.279
<v Speaker 2>something within the UFO world. And I think the more

1411
01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:31.039
<v Speaker 2>people you talk to that are experiences, if you like,

1412
01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you'll find that they all have a mission. They feel

1413
01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>that they have a mission to accomplish. And I feel

1414
01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:42.439
<v Speaker 2>like my mission was to do with the Bible and

1415
01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the UFO connection, and so I've done that, and it's

1416
01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:52.279
<v Speaker 2>like now I don't need to I don't need that validation.

1417
01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to see UFOs. I don't need to

1418
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to have that interaction anymore. You know,

1419
01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people that they're still chasing,

1420
01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:05.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, this thing. They're still you know, doing the

1421
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>C five protocols. You know, they're going out and they're

1422
01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:14.119
<v Speaker 2>trying as hard as they can to capture that elusive,

1423
01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, flashing light in the sky.

1424
01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I just hope they're not paying ten thousand dollars for

1425
01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:25.039
<v Speaker 1>dinner with Steven Greer. No, I'm pretty sure I said

1426
01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:27.279
<v Speaker 1>that on the last episode I recorded to.

1427
01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:30.399
<v Speaker 2>The people that I know, I don't think they have

1428
01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:37.159
<v Speaker 2>ten ten ten pounds to spend on on anything, let

1429
01:42:37.199 --> 01:42:41.319
<v Speaker 2>alone ten grand that again, you know, if you if

1430
01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:44.439
<v Speaker 2>you're I used to run a remote viewing group as

1431
01:42:44.520 --> 01:42:51.119
<v Speaker 2>well a number of years ago, and I think we

1432
01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>paid I charged I think it was I think four

1433
01:42:56.239 --> 01:43:01.119
<v Speaker 2>or five pounds, because what happened was we started to

1434
01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:05.640
<v Speaker 2>get odd bods that would just sort of rock up

1435
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:09.359
<v Speaker 2>and wouldn't be wouldn't want to be part of the group,

1436
01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:11.359
<v Speaker 2>but they'll be part of the group, but they didn't

1437
01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>know what the group was about. And we thought, right,

1438
01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>we need to have some kind of you know, we

1439
01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:21.359
<v Speaker 2>need to charge people a minimal amount, just you know,

1440
01:43:22.159 --> 01:43:26.600
<v Speaker 2>just to show that we're doing something legitimate that isn't just.

1441
01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:32.319
<v Speaker 1>A people what sorry, kind of weeding out the ones

1442
01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:35.199
<v Speaker 1>that aren't really there to learn anything or try anything.

1443
01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:37.039
<v Speaker 1>They're just there to be there exactly.

1444
01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that was that was a fair

1445
01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that money just went back into buying

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<v Speaker 2>you know, paper and pens and stuff like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>petrol to go home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We have been going on for almost two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is probably getting close to four thirty year time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ten past four now, I'm wide.

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<v Speaker 1>Awake, I'm getting tires, I have working on.

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<v Speaker 3>I've gone past I've gone past that stage, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>got past the stage jump.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep you awake now, you can try, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've got I've got little kids. I've got to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with here soon. My son is very much a daddy's boy,

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<v Speaker 1>so when he wakes up in the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 1>I am the person that he screams for.

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<v Speaker 2>So so it's going to be it's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>what ten past eleven? Now were yours? It?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it says it's a eleven twelve PM. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>usually in bed by eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm usually in bed by eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so i gotta get up and give it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm up in about five hours from now, five to

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<v Speaker 1>six hours from now, I'm usually I'm awake. But honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>he decides to wake up, usually around midnight for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to get up out of his and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to go get him and bring him into beds.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the time I get in there, he'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>start screaming for me. That's how my routine goes with him.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can probably go ahead and wrap this one

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<v Speaker 1>up if there's not much else you want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>If there is, I mean, I'm good to go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, I could, I could fill in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of blanks, but I think you know, if your

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<v Speaker 2>listeners want to get in touch and you know, find

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<v Speaker 2>out any any any more about little bits that I've missed,

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<v Speaker 2>or if they want if they've got stories that they

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<v Speaker 2>want to tell me that I can kind of piece

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<v Speaker 2>together if they're similar to my experiences, you know, and feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Free if you want to send me any links or

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<v Speaker 1>anything you have, or email address or however they can

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01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:54.479
<v Speaker 1>get ahold of you. I'll make sure you leave that

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. That way, anyone listening can reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. If I mean, like I say, my name is

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<v Speaker 2>Leith Thatcher spelled l E I g H. If you

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<v Speaker 2>just see some long haired guy, you won't you won't

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<v Speaker 2>go far wrong. It's a girl spelling as well, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's not many leath archers of the Yeah, you'll find

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<v Speaker 2>me if you just type my name hing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ollie. It's been a pleasure talking with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been really good. Thanks for having me on Brandon.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a problem. And for anyone out there listening, just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to say thanks to Lee and thanks for listening,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna head on out, so good night, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night.

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