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Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to mister Ryan Edwards today.
Speaker 1: He's a cryptosologist from San Antonio, Texas. You may remember
Speaker 1: Ryan was back on the podcast, oh man, maybe even
Speaker 1: a few years ago now when his first book came out,
Speaker 1: I believe. But we're having him back on to catch
Speaker 1: up and he's also got some new things cooking. And
Speaker 1: so how are we doing today.
Speaker 2: Brian doing good?
Speaker 1: Pleasure to be on awesome? Oh man? I want to
Speaker 1: say right off the bat. This the new book that
Speaker 1: you've got out the beyond Bigfoot, the other unrecognized primates
Speaker 1: of North America. It is very cool. It is not
Speaker 1: I would say it's different from your normal Bigfoot book,
Speaker 1: but it's a book that needed to be written and
Speaker 1: it is just so cool. How I don't think this
Speaker 1: is giving too much away, but you were able to
Speaker 1: take research that was done a long time ago by
Speaker 1: people such as Lauren Coleman and connect that to current day.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of reports in there that I
Speaker 1: myself hadn't even seen before. So, man, some really cool
Speaker 1: stuff in this book.
Speaker 2: I appreciate. It is honestly when it comes from me.
Speaker 2: In writing books, I with Sasquatch books especially, I'm like
Speaker 2: everything's already been written about, so I try to bring
Speaker 2: up books like, hey, what been written about yet? And
Speaker 2: the animals and cryptos that I bring up in this book,
Speaker 2: I feel haven't gotten a book yet. So that's the
Speaker 2: reason I wrote.
Speaker 1: This, Yeah, exactly, And I'll you know. For example, there
Speaker 1: are multiple parts of this book, but one of them
Speaker 1: I found very interesting was the whole devil monkey thing.
Speaker 1: Because I've done it's come up every once in a
Speaker 1: while in interviews on this podcast. But man, it's hard
Speaker 1: to find resources about stuff like this. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you took the time to put it together. What was
Speaker 1: your main motivation in going back and writing another book,
Speaker 1: but this time about these unrecognized primates?
Speaker 2: Pretty much? I always think of this book as a
Speaker 2: good follow up in my second book, Sasquatch Prehistory, that
Speaker 2: one goes into a deep, deep researching of the Sasquatch,
Speaker 2: possible evolutionary origins, prespocal North America, stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: while looking at sasquatch in recent years, we probably both
Speaker 2: saying that type chart of like the ten types of Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: the Patty type, the wind to go type, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And I looked at that, I'm like, how can we
Speaker 2: break this down morphologically? How can we break this down zoologically?
Speaker 2: So are there ten types of Sasquatch? No, it's very
Speaker 2: unlikely for primates high older primates that have a lot
Speaker 2: of subspecies. So I was like, okay, so let's look
Speaker 2: at it. And then the three that mainly get brought
Speaker 2: up are devil monkeys. That's a well known requipment seemed
Speaker 2: throughout North America that's been researched since the sixties, since
Speaker 2: Mark Hall, Lone Coleman, and in recent years we've bringing
Speaker 2: a new variety of like variety of quote unquote sasquatch.
Speaker 2: You get the gugly phenomenon these sasquatch like species species
Speaker 2: with a mandule like muzzle. And then we also have
Speaker 2: the most American ape napes are seen as more chimpanzee like.
Speaker 2: This is a well known creature of work with Ron Coleman.
Speaker 2: If you know the dexty Illinois prints, it's a sad
Speaker 2: trucks like footprint, but with a divergent big toe. And
Speaker 2: this is a crypto that really hasn't been talked about recently.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, let me break this down, see
Speaker 2: what these creatures could be, and also what's the likelihood
Speaker 2: of them? Like, am I suggesting this full unknown species
Speaker 2: of primate Roman North America? Most likely? No, But let's
Speaker 2: go on the idea of like speculative evolution of like
Speaker 2: if these creatures were real, what would they look like?
Speaker 2: What would our evolutionary origins be? And then we do
Speaker 2: have sightings of them, could these be misidentifications? Could these
Speaker 2: be another species we just don't know about yet? And
Speaker 2: that's really what brought me into this book.
Speaker 1: It's a book where I learned a ton from Ryan,
Speaker 1: especially with the nape part, with those tracks, because I've
Speaker 1: seen them over the years. Some that got sent to
Speaker 1: me and I was always like, man, this just feels
Speaker 1: like it's not the normal bigfootprint and like something's off here.
Speaker 1: And now you're able to present this like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what's going on here. And actually I had an individual,
Speaker 1: Harley Owens, that captured a track that is very close
Speaker 1: to this nape where it has that one toe branching
Speaker 1: out to the side like that. It's exactly what it
Speaker 1: is that he captured down Tennessee. And this is very recent.
Speaker 1: So I think you're doing a great service to the
Speaker 1: community for bringing this stuff out into the open again,
Speaker 1: because as we both know, it doesn't take long for
Speaker 1: a community like this to maybe forget things that have
Speaker 1: been discovered in earlier years like Lauren Coleman and Mark
Speaker 1: Hall brought to light.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's one thing too, especially with just my
Speaker 2: research in general, is that I very much am a
Speaker 2: person that I look at the past. I'm what I
Speaker 2: call myself an old fashioned crypto zoologist. I look at
Speaker 2: the zoological fields. I look at the biological fields. I'm
Speaker 2: very much I mean, I put myself and like a researcher,
Speaker 2: very much similar to like how wend Hooveman's was. I
Speaker 2: have t Sanderson Lawn, Coleman, ken Gerhart into the modern
Speaker 2: day Love Blackburn, because I try to bring into like, Okay, nowadays,
Speaker 2: at least for modern cryptozoology and modern bigfoot research, it's
Speaker 2: got muddy. It's got muddied up so much by UFOs
Speaker 2: and the paranormal field and supernatural and I'm like, wait, no,
Speaker 2: let's bring out the zoology in cryptozoology and look at
Speaker 2: let's look at the animals, let's look at the old
Speaker 2: fashioned research of like okay, let's know the biological fields,
Speaker 2: let's know primatology. And I am not classically trained in
Speaker 2: these fields, of course, but still you can bring out
Speaker 2: like okay, let's see what we've learned from the past
Speaker 2: and bring it out into the modern day and hopefully
Speaker 2: bring out it kind of like almost a revolution of No.
Speaker 2: Cryptozoology is zoology at its basics, and that's really what
Speaker 2: my research has go after.
Speaker 1: I love that when you were doing research for this book,
Speaker 1: did you make any discoveries along the way that we're like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is completely new to me, or was it more
Speaker 1: just putting all the facts that you knew together in
Speaker 1: a handheld written book.
Speaker 2: Actually, there was a lot of discoveries made along the way,
Speaker 2: a lot of things that I learned that were very
Speaker 2: interesting to me. Like, for instance, not a lot of
Speaker 2: people realized that primates, first of all, appear in North America.
Speaker 2: Some of the first primates evolved around sixty six million
Speaker 2: years ago. These were known as purgatorious. But then some
Speaker 2: well known primaries called plesiadapa forms. These are very much
Speaker 2: like lemurs tasier like primates that died out about thirty
Speaker 2: three about thirty seven million years ago. But they had
Speaker 2: a long lineage and it existed from like sixty six
Speaker 2: to thirty thirty seven million years ago, and then around
Speaker 2: thirty seven million years ago Wheniapholms formed these old gleam
Speaker 2: aur like primates that roamed North America back in the EOC.
Speaker 2: And I bring in the ideas like, okay, so primates
Speaker 2: war here a long time ago, and we believed they
Speaker 2: died out around thirty seven million years ago. It's interesting
Speaker 2: back around twenty six point three million years ago a
Speaker 2: primary called igo lash kalala that means little catman, and sue,
Speaker 2: this primate just came out of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Less known primates from the false record were about ten
Speaker 2: million years before this one. Where does creature come from?
Speaker 2: This idea is of like what we like to call
Speaker 2: ghost lineages animals. Does the kind of pop out of
Speaker 2: nowhere with an evolution, and especially with primatology. Ask any
Speaker 2: good primatologists or biologists don't say we only know about
Speaker 2: ten percent of all primates known to the world. So
Speaker 2: that really brings in the ideas of like, let's look
Speaker 2: at here American, see if we could see primates evolving
Speaker 2: here in the more modern day of the fire scene
Speaker 2: and replace to see.
Speaker 1: It's extremely interesting, man, especially the whole catman thing. When
Speaker 1: I was reading the book, I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this is a new one for me and definitely learning
Speaker 1: a lot. And also I wanted to point out I
Speaker 1: was reading through I was being man, it would be
Speaker 1: cool if there are some pictures. He's describing the pictures,
Speaker 1: and then you get to the back there's some solid pictures.
Speaker 1: It's a great appendix in the back of pictures that
Speaker 1: are shouted out during the writing of it. So it's
Speaker 1: got great encounters. It's got also great pictures, some of
Speaker 1: which I don't think I'd seen at least one of
Speaker 1: them before. Maybe I just wasn't looking in the right areas.
Speaker 1: But some really interesting stuff, the unrecognized primates that are
Speaker 1: called out in this book. Have you actually yourself been
Speaker 1: out to try to do any field where to look
Speaker 1: into these primates or try to see them for yourself, But.
Speaker 2: Me, I have not. I've been in areas before that
Speaker 2: we've had signings. For instance, I've done research in East
Speaker 2: Texas with bigfoot, and there have been double monkey sidings
Speaker 2: in the same area. But a lot of these creatures,
Speaker 2: for instance, the gug wee, it's primarily seen in pots Canada,
Speaker 2: and recent sidings have been spreading into the more Mississippi
Speaker 2: River delta. But for me, field research is a secondhand step.
Speaker 2: It's like I try to do it as much as
Speaker 2: I can, but being a full time educator and being
Speaker 2: very busy my schedule, field research is not a large
Speaker 2: effic of my research. A lot of it is the
Speaker 2: more academic side of it, looking at textbooks all day
Speaker 2: and looking at human and anatomy posts like Okay, like,
Speaker 2: what could these primates look like? And I've been in
Speaker 2: areas what they've been seen before, but actually researching them
Speaker 2: in the field, I have not yet.
Speaker 1: We were talking about earlier before that in the pre
Speaker 1: interview that you had actually made it up to the
Speaker 1: Red River, Texas area and experience some interesting things, maybe
Speaker 1: something that was a little bit out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: Would you mind sharing about that?
Speaker 2: Of course, yes. I recalled Brown Springs. Good friends of mine,
Speaker 2: Texas Wesson and Jason McLean, researchers, were at the Texas
Speaker 2: Front Porch. They've been researching out there for years now,
Speaker 2: and they invited me out and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let me come along. Because they've gotten the bigfoot signs
Speaker 2: out there. There's been dog man signs out there. There's
Speaker 2: a haunted cemetery on top of a hill with a
Speaker 2: natural spring to it. So I was like, okay, it's
Speaker 2: not there, spooky stay place. Let me go check it out.
Speaker 2: And I was there with a couple of young guys,
Speaker 2: a good friend of mine, Nick, and there was one
Speaker 2: night we're like, okay, we had a thermal imager and
Speaker 2: we're like, let's burn the fields. Burned. The back of
Speaker 2: the field see if we've seen any thing pop up.
Speaker 2: And this is a phenomenon I've always heard of, but
Speaker 2: I've never experienced myself. We turned this one corner, we
Speaker 2: had all our windows down. We'll probably going to maybe
Speaker 2: ten months per hour in this car. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: old insects, old and noise has stopped out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: And we were driving and I referenced the guys, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it got quiet, isn't it. And we just listen and
Speaker 2: this you there's no sound at all. And there was
Speaker 2: a thermometer in the car, and we learn from the
Speaker 2: screen and from I belief like from like seventy six
Speaker 2: down to like fifty seven and like less of five minutes.
Speaker 2: So we felt the temperature change, and you just have
Speaker 2: that weird feeling of like there's something here that doesn't
Speaker 2: want us here. And this is the phenomenon we've had
Speaker 2: occurred with like bigfoot, for bigfoot sidings, and this part
Speaker 2: of the property we were on has had a lot
Speaker 2: of bigfoot signings and past So this conclusive evidence, no,
Speaker 2: but it was a weird experience. And also on that
Speaker 2: same expedition, we were in the back part of property
Speaker 2: as well, and this is right along the Red River,
Speaker 2: and I'll host texts. He said, yeah, this time of
Speaker 2: year usually if there's any sash watching the area down
Speaker 2: on the other side of the river on the high ground.
Speaker 2: And I'm not really sure what I heard, but I
Speaker 2: thought I heard about like a whoop, like almost like
Speaker 2: a like a howl in the distance, and then sound
Speaker 2: canine sound primate like, and it was coming from the
Speaker 2: other side of Red River, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: looked at the other guys that were with me, and
Speaker 2: we're like, they hear that. They're like, yeah, we heard
Speaker 2: that too. Was it a possible auditory siding of a
Speaker 2: sash watch. It's possible, But I always try not to
Speaker 2: jump to conclusions. Because I was right on the edge
Speaker 2: of my hearing, I can't really make conclusions. But it
Speaker 2: did sound very primate like.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's an area of where it comes up
Speaker 1: every once in a while, and there's some really intense
Speaker 1: things that can happen down near that area that have
Speaker 1: been reported. So maybe someday in the future I'll make
Speaker 1: it down there. Your viewpoint as a cryptozoologist when you're
Speaker 1: thinking of about this, You've stated in your book you
Speaker 1: have all these unrecognized primates of North America. Your viewpoint
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot then, is it similar to how you're viewing
Speaker 1: these other things or are you viewing Bigfoot a little
Speaker 1: bit different as well than that?
Speaker 2: Oh, I viewed fast Watch very similarly. Like stated earlier,
Speaker 2: this third book is a kind of a sequel to
Speaker 2: my second book, Sasqatch Free History, because with Fast Watched,
Speaker 2: I come at it from very much I'm all fashioned,
Speaker 2: I'm an aper. I believe it's an unknown ae unorganized
Speaker 2: ABC in North America. I don't believe it's a human species.
Speaker 1: Pigs, a society who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: The anatomy doesn't shouldn't suggest the human species, and also
Speaker 2: lack of culture. And in my second book, Stashwatch Preehistory,
Speaker 2: I came out of Shashwatch from very much a prystal
Speaker 2: galintons because my biggest issue with Bigfoot siding is just
Speaker 2: the size of this creature. These animals are seen to
Speaker 2: be like eight to nine feet tall, and if anyone
Speaker 2: knows anything about zoology, animals that are larger, animals that
Speaker 2: are most specialized usually die out quicker. Look at the
Speaker 2: megafinal species of classed in North America. They are almost
Speaker 2: all of them extinct. I look at sasqulagic not through
Speaker 2: a modern lens, but through a peristal galons. This is
Speaker 2: truly a piece of classis in megafauna that most likely,
Speaker 2: thanks to its intelligence and thanks to its adaptations, has
Speaker 2: been able to survive into the modern day. Like our
Speaker 2: reference in the book, people don't realize that grizzly bears
Speaker 2: have been around for like more than ten million years.
Speaker 2: Grizzly bears lived alongside mamis why can a sasquatch other
Speaker 2: than the ideas like what a sasquatch evolutionary history? Where
Speaker 2: could it have come from? Because these animals are animals.
Speaker 2: Every animal has their natural history CRYPTI all known species.
Speaker 2: I speculate on where these animals came from. What is
Speaker 2: their morphology from, like sightings, what's the behavior set? What
Speaker 2: can we get from sightings and what we see? And
Speaker 2: also what is their ecology? If these are natural species
Speaker 2: living in the world, they have to fit in some
Speaker 2: type of niche. Are they at apex creditor? They have omnivore?
Speaker 2: Are they a frugivore? But sasquatch and a lot of
Speaker 2: these unknown primates they were very much apex omnible. They're
Speaker 2: not a hyperconnivore. They're not like a cat or dog,
Speaker 2: but they're very adaptable. They eat a wide variety of things.
Speaker 2: You can tell by the dentition. For instance, when people
Speaker 2: referencing sasquatch, I've heard eyewitnesses talk about kids calling Lincoln
Speaker 2: log teeth because they're very human like teeth. From our
Speaker 2: own dentation, we can suspect, yeah, these animals are most
Speaker 2: likely highly adaptable with meat, hard nuts, stuff like that
Speaker 2: would having grinding molars. Because one bigger aspect of biology,
Speaker 2: not all that people look at is dentition, is a teeth.
Speaker 2: If you know how animals teeth look like, you can
Speaker 2: speculate on what that animal eats. You can speculate on
Speaker 2: their niche and also how they probably look like. So
Speaker 2: that's one thing I try to look at with sasquatch
Speaker 2: primarily is like the ideas of like their biology, because
Speaker 2: this is truly a biological.
Speaker 1: Species, something that I have tried to trying to wrap
Speaker 1: my mind around how I feel about it, just because
Speaker 1: as I go along the last few years talking to
Speaker 1: people daily, but also starting to go out to different
Speaker 1: areas and experience things as an individual that their viewpoint
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot is primarily I would probably even say one
Speaker 1: hundred percent that it is an ape. How do you
Speaker 1: deal with reports where there have been individuals that say,
Speaker 1: experience something that I can't explain, or heard something, or
Speaker 1: there seems to be something related to these reports that
Speaker 1: are not within the normal realm of science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the more wu aspect of this field that has
Speaker 2: come out in recent years, Yeah, that's an aspect that
Speaker 2: I bring into my research. Like, for instance, a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, I did an interview with a Wes
Speaker 2: Germer of Sasquatch Chronicles, and he brought up the loup, Like,
Speaker 2: what about all this aspect? And in my honest opinion,
Speaker 2: it's just it's not where my research is. I acknowledge
Speaker 2: that the phenomena does occur, but it's like trying to
Speaker 2: have me make an opinion on quantum physics. If I
Speaker 2: don't know it, I'm not going to make an opinion
Speaker 2: on it. My research is primarily based on zoology and
Speaker 2: physical sciences. Yes, there is other phenomena occurring, but my
Speaker 2: research doesn't go into it. So it's just hard to
Speaker 2: make really an opinion on it. I acknowledge that there's
Speaker 2: other events occurring around these creatures being seen around the world,
Speaker 2: especially with sasquatch phenomena. But even like my good friends
Speaker 2: texts Wes and Jason mccleanbring up what if there's different
Speaker 2: phenomena occurring but with the same face, Like what if
Speaker 2: there's something else occurring here that looks like sasquatch but
Speaker 2: isn't the sasquatch. And that's one thing I've bring in
Speaker 2: with my research as well, like, Okay, there's other Like
Speaker 2: with me being a general cryptois logist, I just don't
Speaker 2: do Bigfoot. I do all types of creatures like from
Speaker 2: Bigfoot to walk the sponsor to I've had thunderbird sidings, mothman,
Speaker 2: dog men, and researching these other cryptids it makes me
Speaker 2: think like, yeah, there is something paranormal occurring, But with sasquatch,
Speaker 2: there's there's too much for the fisial side, there's too
Speaker 2: much for it being some type of biological species to
Speaker 2: try to disprove it being something supernatural, Like it makes
Speaker 2: sense biologically, so why would we throw the baby out
Speaker 2: with the bath water? Once phenomenon start occurring.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, Yeah, it'll be I think we man I
Speaker 1: don't even know what's going to happen in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: To be honest, it feels like there's so much I
Speaker 1: don't know. I hear a lot of things, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of behind the scenes research that's going on
Speaker 1: right now. I man, I don't know. Maybe it's just
Speaker 1: me being overly positive, and I would hope that this
Speaker 1: is the year where we get some really cool stuff
Speaker 1: that comes out, maybe evidence wise, I think all of
Speaker 1: us hope that. It feels like it may have been
Speaker 1: a while since there's been something substantial, But have you
Speaker 1: Are there any things of evidence that come to mind
Speaker 1: over the last few years that you've you've seen and
Speaker 1: thought were pretty cool.
Speaker 2: A piece of evidence For me, There's been a couple
Speaker 2: of signings I've been interesting. For instance, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of one signing I'm bringing forward right now, but
Speaker 2: like a lot of signings recently have been very indicative
Speaker 2: of like a lot of primate behavior. For instance, in
Speaker 2: Texas come for years back, there were and I believe
Speaker 2: this by Houston, there were and the story in the
Speaker 2: news is about a escaped chimpanzee out on the loose,
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, Eskate chimpanzee. That brings my
Speaker 2: interest and looking at it, I'm like, wait, these people
Speaker 2: are reference to a chimpanzee that's six foot tall. I
Speaker 2: don't know what they're seeing, but I don't think that
Speaker 2: the chimpanzee is like a lot of things like that.
Speaker 2: For instance. Of course, one big piece of evidence that
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a little bit more now thanks to
Speaker 2: a good friend of mine, is stick structures down here
Speaker 2: in San Antonio, a good friend of mine, Rob Nichols,
Speaker 2: American Bigfoot. He's been bringing out more ideas of like
Speaker 2: these stick structures of Saskquats building, these fairly elaborate structures
Speaker 2: that don't look like they were made by humans. And
Speaker 2: I've gone out in the field with Rod and I'm
Speaker 2: seeing these in person. I'm like, no, this this is
Speaker 2: something peculiar. This is something that this isn't human made.
Speaker 2: That's like a piece of evidence with sass watch. I've
Speaker 2: never really looked into soil seeing it in person, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, no, like this might be something I
Speaker 2: might want put a little bit more time and effort
Speaker 2: into researching.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm glad that we were able to bring up
Speaker 1: Rod because I was just about to. I just had
Speaker 1: Rod Nichols on the show a few episodes back from
Speaker 1: Barrett County Bigfoot, of course, from around the same area
Speaker 1: where you're at in San Antonio. After that episode, there
Speaker 1: are many people that reached more than a few I'd
Speaker 1: say that reached out saying yeah, I am also having
Speaker 1: some weird stuff happen, sightings, class be stuff just around
Speaker 1: these different areas of San Antonio. Have you, besides going
Speaker 1: out with Rod in the field and looking at stick structures,
Speaker 1: have you run into anyone who's had encounters down there
Speaker 1: or been able to have any communication with people besides
Speaker 1: the stick structure related things.
Speaker 2: I've had some signings. I talked. One interesting thing that's
Speaker 2: been bringing out a lot of eye witnesses recently is
Speaker 2: right now in s Antonio, Me and Brod and did
Speaker 2: a good friend of Miniskers, Jordan, another podcast of Curious Realm.
Speaker 2: We're doing an event series here in San Antonio call
Speaker 2: it Imposium of the Strange. It's based at a local
Speaker 2: restaurant and pretty much what it is, it's like a
Speaker 2: mini conference every two months. We've brought out Ken Gehard before,
Speaker 2: we've brought out Alien Ductee, we've brought out the Clean Brothers,
Speaker 2: the ghost hunting like the ghost researchers, and when we're
Speaker 2: doing these events, we've had a couple of people come
Speaker 2: up to us like, yeah, like I saw this, Oh,
Speaker 2: I've heard of this before. And I've been hearing a
Speaker 2: lot more witness accounts and also not just bigfoot accounts, like,
Speaker 2: for instance, a couple of weeks ago, I got a
Speaker 2: siding with someone referenced the Lachuso and their siding. I
Speaker 2: know I've gotten even a dog man report in a
Speaker 2: couple of days ago. Actually, So I believe right now
Speaker 2: it's helpful us doing these events and talking to the
Speaker 2: community a little bit more, because then how many times
Speaker 2: do people see something weird? But the who do I
Speaker 2: go to? We're not going to go to the cops
Speaker 2: for this, They're not gonna they might not even hear
Speaker 2: for cryptos of all, just until they go to an event.
Speaker 2: Here's someone talking about a big point. Oh, I had
Speaker 2: a siding, So I'm excited to see what else comes
Speaker 2: about of this. But yeah, I've had a couple I've
Speaker 2: heard of a couple a couple of dog man imports
Speaker 2: in this area. Before your front researcher based in Santonio's well,
Speaker 2: a guy named Aaron Geese, very well known for his
Speaker 2: Texas dog Maned Triangles book. Of course, Rod Nichols a
Speaker 2: Rod gets sighting is a lot of people in the area,
Speaker 2: like people have been seeing santhalg in the Bernie area
Speaker 2: and San Antonio. And it's interesting to me because I've
Speaker 2: even brought this up iron before that, so that's watching
Speaker 2: Santonio does very sounds very unlikely, but there is evidence
Speaker 2: for it. What I believe is happening down here in
Speaker 2: San Antonio is that we are a very large city,
Speaker 2: but we have a lot of creek, creek and wattle waterways.
Speaker 2: Rod brings up this a lot of creek in his research.
Speaker 2: I think these animals are migratory. They're moving through San Antonio,
Speaker 2: moving through these areas, but they're not consisting there, They're
Speaker 2: not staying there lives, And that brings up the ideas
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot being migratory in the first place. Like I
Speaker 2: believe these animals are highly migratory and they have very
Speaker 2: large ranges because if you think of like how much
Speaker 2: calories this animal would need, how many square miles as
Speaker 2: animal would need, Like we compare it to a black bear,
Speaker 2: because this is an indicated species for sasquatch. But I'm
Speaker 2: being up that they will probably have a couple hundred
Speaker 2: miles in a home range, and also they will probably
Speaker 2: need the caloric needs of like a large grizzly bear.
Speaker 2: Being one area consistently doesn't sound likely for an animal
Speaker 2: like that, because if you look at bears and other
Speaker 2: animals like that, they have large home ranges as well.
Speaker 2: I think satisquatch would be the same way. They're moving
Speaker 2: through areas, moving using creek ways because think Legendimbary Creek.
Speaker 2: What did they say, they always follow the creeks. I
Speaker 2: believe these animals use these waterways to get to areas
Speaker 2: that they need to get in to resources and hide
Speaker 2: away from humans as well.
Speaker 1: Now I agree with you as definitely with that statement.
Speaker 1: Are there you know, any food resources that would be
Speaker 1: available for them around the city of San Antonio that
Speaker 1: you found?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually have a large whitetail deer population. Like
Speaker 2: literally last night I was driving on a road called
Speaker 2: Acadochis this is the road in the middle of town,
Speaker 2: let you know, and almost had a deer while driving home.
Speaker 2: Because we have a large deer population. Even I lived
Speaker 2: maybe ten minutes away from downtown and I had a
Speaker 2: whitetail deer being seen less than five minutes away from here.
Speaker 2: We also have, of course raccoons positives things like that,
Speaker 2: and also we have a lot of areas where these
Speaker 2: animals can hide away from and even in some of
Speaker 2: the creek creek ways we have here, we do have
Speaker 2: fish and also aquatic life they can survive off of.
Speaker 2: Like even I think people have seen like things like
Speaker 2: crawfish and crawdads in the creeks if these animals could
Speaker 2: possibly try to survive off of them. But I think
Speaker 2: primarily they're going after white tailed deer in this area,
Speaker 2: and even I thought I even bring up ideas of
Speaker 2: maybe these more urban areas maybe they would go after
Speaker 2: maybe fail dogs, the fairl cats, because if you're lost
Speaker 2: omnivore and it's smaller than you, it's good. It could
Speaker 2: be a food resource if necessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it the that reminds me of an email that
Speaker 1: I had just gotten in the other day about unfortunately
Speaker 1: with some of these situations in dogs and cats do disappear,
Speaker 1: larger dogs as well. It's it's a very interesting thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people like to talk
Speaker 1: about it because it's one of those sides of it
Speaker 1: where it's not the pretty side or the fun side.
Speaker 1: There's sometimes repercussions from these creatures being around that might
Speaker 1: be things that we might not want to necessarily deal with,
Speaker 1: the loss of pets or things of that nature. Maybe
Speaker 1: even people too, I don't know, but that's a whole different.
Speaker 2: Like I've even made jokes of like because when me
Speaker 2: and Rod have gone out and seen these stick structures,
Speaker 2: we've seen like human dwellings nearby, like homeless people living
Speaker 2: in these parks that we see these stick structures. I'm
Speaker 2: just sometimes I looked at him and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: wonder what they've seed and also where did they go,
Speaker 2: because a lot of times this stuff's been abandoned, and
Speaker 2: it's like I'm like, maybe fast walks got them. But
Speaker 2: it's like as a joke, but also you've got to
Speaker 2: think of these aren't the big cudly pets people sometimes
Speaker 2: think of the mass, aren't the benevolent gods of the forest.
Speaker 2: These are wild animals and people have brought up They're
Speaker 2: safe that any animal, even a pet, if you make
Speaker 2: them angry enough to put them in the corner, will
Speaker 2: bite you. So these creatures are large omnivores and can't
Speaker 2: be dangerous towards people and pets and things like that.
Speaker 1: Pigs a society who will be right back after these messages,
Speaker 1: And that's.
Speaker 2: Something people don't want to bring up because I think
Speaker 2: it just brings out the more negative side of the
Speaker 2: field people see. That brings out the more like the
Speaker 2: fear mongering of Bigfoot to an extent of like cryptosology
Speaker 2: in general, the more fantastical side, the more Oh, these
Speaker 2: are a bunch of monster hunters going out and looking
Speaker 2: for monsters of woods. It's like, No, these are real
Speaker 2: life creatures living in the woods. But like any wild animal,
Speaker 2: it could be highly dangerous, especially with the size of
Speaker 2: it is and the intelligence. Like I think I've heard
Speaker 2: Cliff Bergman say before, if these animals wanted to kill people,
Speaker 2: we want to have a National park Service right now. Like,
Speaker 2: they could be dangerous, But do they go out and
Speaker 2: a proparch to really go after people? They unlikely because
Speaker 2: I think there's long enough to know. Oh, if one
Speaker 2: person goes missing, soon enough you have a search party,
Speaker 2: and now there's one hundred people in the woods, so
Speaker 2: maybe they have intelligence to note things like that.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot is such an interesting topic because there are so
Speaker 1: many different ways to look at it in different viewpoints,
Speaker 1: and everyone that has experienced something has their own bias
Speaker 1: and way that they look at the world. It's just
Speaker 1: to me, it's a fascinating topic for sure. Yourself, being
Speaker 1: a cryptozoologist, you already brought up that, yes, you're not
Speaker 1: just looking into Bigfoot or these unrecognized primates. You're looking
Speaker 1: into all sorts of different things out there. Do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite one that you know if you were
Speaker 1: able to, like, let's look into this one. Is there
Speaker 1: one that always brings your focus back?
Speaker 2: Well, that one probably One crypto that's always bought a
Speaker 2: lot of interest to me was the Morosi. The morosi
Speaker 2: is an unknown, like possible lion species that has been
Speaker 2: seen in Kenya before these were known as the spotted lions.
Speaker 2: Loan Comen bought these apple a lot back in his
Speaker 2: early research, and parts of West Kenya people are seeing
Speaker 2: lions but without manes and spotted coats. And this is
Speaker 2: a crypto that brings up my interest, not because how
Speaker 2: fantastical it is or how it's like a monstrage because
Speaker 2: of how realistic it is, Like there's a lot of
Speaker 2: cryptives around the world people don't realize and don't know
Speaker 2: about that could very much be real. Like, for instance,
Speaker 2: down in South America, people reference to the map and Grawy.
Speaker 2: A lot of people reference to map and Grawy is
Speaker 2: a big foot like creature. But when you really look
Speaker 2: at the signings, people are referencing something more similar to
Speaker 2: a ground sloth, something that existed in prehistory. Even an
Speaker 2: interesting aspect of it was a lot of Native American
Speaker 2: stories too. Some Native American stories reference animals that they
Speaker 2: reference as giant bears with giant claws that could stand
Speaker 2: up on two feet, and we're very like smelly animals,
Speaker 2: and these Native American stories and looking at it, it's
Speaker 2: like they're not referencing giant bears, referencing what sounds like
Speaker 2: a giant ground sloth. Back in the day. With me,
Speaker 2: especially in cryptozoology, I'm very much I look at it
Speaker 2: from a preforklans. I'm a very much a fan of
Speaker 2: mamifs and ground sloths and smileotons. I literally had a
Speaker 2: smilot on skull on my desk. So I'm speaking to
Speaker 2: you right now I try to look at a lot
Speaker 2: of these cryptos in around the world that have more
Speaker 2: prys folk aspect. I think also another one I would
Speaker 2: love to go after is the Queensland tiger. This is
Speaker 2: a unknown people think of it as a feline being
Speaker 2: seen out in Queensland, Australia, But when you look at
Speaker 2: the signs of these creatures, they reference a striped body
Speaker 2: almost like they said that almost like almost a human
Speaker 2: like hand to it add around it head like a
Speaker 2: feline and it climbs trees. What they're referencing is an
Speaker 2: amalcarthyicalio Ta Carnifax was a what we called the malsupial lion.
Speaker 2: It was about the size of a mountain lion and
Speaker 2: it was a massupial that was related to a koala
Speaker 2: or kangaroo. But if you look at picture of Thaklea,
Speaker 2: you would think that it's a cat. That's another great
Speaker 2: example of converging evolution. So that's also another cryptot. It
Speaker 2: seems awfully realistic that I would love to try to
Speaker 2: go after in future research.
Speaker 1: You bring up something that was actually on my mind
Speaker 1: because I was trying to remember if we talked about
Speaker 1: it last time, and I'm just gonna bring it up
Speaker 1: just in case. Something that I've found over the years
Speaker 1: that i've done this coming up on we're past five now,
Speaker 1: I've found that there seems to be almost you can
Speaker 1: tie threads together, that some of these sightings of cryptids
Speaker 1: seem to be related to animals that have a prehistoric background.
Speaker 1: It feels like there's something there, but I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure how to how it would tie all together. But
Speaker 1: you mentioned the ground slots, and I mean there's sightings
Speaker 1: of those even in I believe it Sherman County, New
Speaker 1: York back in the day, and there's your thunderbirds and
Speaker 1: your your I believe there's even maybe Willie mammoths sightings
Speaker 1: every once in a while way up in northern Alaska.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, man, I feel like you could
Speaker 1: take it a few different ways. Is are there maybe
Speaker 1: areas where these creatures just didn't go extinct and they're
Speaker 1: hanging out like the Headless Valley up in the Northwest Territories.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think there could be reaches that these animals
Speaker 2: could have survived for instances. Yeah, you bring up to
Speaker 2: the Honi Valley, the Headless Valley of Alasta. It's interesting
Speaker 2: because that area, people reference animals that should have gone
Speaker 2: extinct a long time ago. The natives referencing reference the
Speaker 2: giant bear that they've seen that has longer legs than
Speaker 2: a grizzly bear, that's much larger than grizzly bear, that
Speaker 2: has a short face. They're literally referencing Octotis dims, the
Speaker 2: short face bear. And another animal being seen in this
Speaker 2: area is something called the wa heat. The Wahila is
Speaker 2: a giant like white wolf that they're seen. But it's
Speaker 2: interesting because this white wolf has a long, almost alter
Speaker 2: like tail day reference, and it's built more like a bear.
Speaker 2: It's very stocky, very much like a mix of a
Speaker 2: wolf and a bear. If you look at prehistory, we
Speaker 2: have an animal called literally called bear dog, so Anphracioni day.
Speaker 2: The Anphracioni day wore a creature that's found in Miocene
Speaker 2: and Plascene in North America that was morphologically very similar
Speaker 2: to Ursudinians and Canaans. They were possibly one of the
Speaker 2: last common ancestors between these two groups of caniforms. And
Speaker 2: these native tribes are referencing an amphision when they shouldn't
Speaker 2: know what amphision is, and they tell stories also in
Speaker 2: the Hani Valley. The Jahila is like the apex predator
Speaker 2: in that area. But they referenced there's another predator that
Speaker 2: the Wahila.
Speaker 3: Is scared of, and it's a lion. They reference it's
Speaker 3: a lion like almost looks like a mountain lion, but
Speaker 3: it's like double the size of a regular mountain lion.
Speaker 3: It's like, decide, like a launch bear. What they could
Speaker 3: be referencing up there too is the.
Speaker 2: American lion, the American lion, and there at Leoatris was
Speaker 2: a lion the size of a black bear. It was
Speaker 2: truly gigantic, one of the probabably largest feline species to
Speaker 2: ever exist, And maybe this creature could be surviving in
Speaker 2: parts of North America into this day. For instance, I
Speaker 2: believe I think it was like in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 2: people referencing bison being killed out in a Yellowstone by
Speaker 2: some predative people didn't know about. They look like some
Speaker 2: type of a giant cat. Maybe this could be very small
Speaker 2: populations of relic American lions. Maybe American troll face bear
Speaker 2: could still be surviving in some areas of like Alaska
Speaker 2: in Canada and even like bring up sasquatch sasquats could
Speaker 2: be like another one these relic megafinal species that hasn't
Speaker 2: been able to survive. We're just it seemed more by humans.
Speaker 2: Or maybe even I bring up the idea of like
Speaker 2: maybe Bigfoot gets a lot of attention because that's how
Speaker 2: human like it is, how antipo morphic it is. Like
Speaker 2: what would someone out to hear a story about a
Speaker 2: giant gorilla like creature that looks like a human in
Speaker 2: the woods or a giant lion. A lot of people
Speaker 2: would go towards the fantastical, go towards the big foot
Speaker 2: side of it. So maybe that's why the creatures like
Speaker 2: sasquatch around the world get so much more attention than
Speaker 2: other cryptics, because it's how human they are. Like antipomophism
Speaker 2: does exist. We like to put ourselves into the natural world.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why a lot of creatures like Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: map and Grari, the Mande Barun, Thetutu, the Yeti, the year,
Speaker 2: and the wood woolfs, they're who the But all these
Speaker 2: different creatures being feet around the world that are very
Speaker 2: human like, maybe these are the cryptids that get a
Speaker 2: lot of the attention because it's how human like they are.
Speaker 2: We see ourselves in these creatures.
Speaker 1: It's extremely interesting to think about. It's one of these
Speaker 1: rabbit trails. I allow myself to think about the whole
Speaker 1: prehistoric cryptid connection, but then I always come back to Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: of course, but it feels like if there are people
Speaker 1: encountering short face bear in these areas, we're probably not
Speaker 1: hearing about it because they're just being It feels like
Speaker 1: if you encounter a short face bear, you're not probably
Speaker 1: you know, living, You're going to be taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I even I talk about like how many
Speaker 2: people see these cryptives but aren't seen afterwards, like and
Speaker 2: parts of like especially in the Honey Valley. It's a
Speaker 2: dangerous era in the first place because it's just the
Speaker 2: environmental is and also it's really notice the Headless Valley
Speaker 2: for a reason. Several people have gone up missing in
Speaker 2: that area, and the McLeod brothers, the ones that did
Speaker 2: lose their heads, we don't know why did that happen.
Speaker 2: And the natives in the area reference a creature comet
Speaker 2: in the comedy these very oh like these mountain ogres
Speaker 2: they reference in the area that are very human like,
Speaker 2: that are very human like that some people even have
Speaker 2: speculated it could be surviving Neanderthals, but I believe could
Speaker 2: be this maybe even never subset of fast Latch, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's been fashal change in the area, so yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a very interesting thing to look at.
Speaker 1: I do want to bring up a course. If this
Speaker 1: is new info for people, I would really recommend that
Speaker 1: you check out the books by Hammerson Peters, of course,
Speaker 1: who has done so much legwork of categorizing all of
Speaker 1: these stories about this area. And not a guy that
Speaker 1: I've been able to talk to yet on the show,
Speaker 1: but maybe someday I'd love to that invites I always open,
Speaker 1: but just another great author, a gentleman who takes the
Speaker 1: time to categorize and put things in a place where
Speaker 1: we can read them about the legends of Canada and
Speaker 1: also of the Headless Valley as well. There are there
Speaker 1: have been no I really don't expect you don't feel
Speaker 1: like you need to know this, But have there been
Speaker 1: any recent expeditions that have been going on in that
Speaker 1: area that you've heard of, Ryan.
Speaker 2: Not that I know of. I think one expedition I
Speaker 2: know of happened back into I believe the fifties, and
Speaker 2: I know that was reference to Labahams and Peters at
Speaker 2: his research, because he's an author that I love reading.
Speaker 2: I've read all of his books. I know you ever
Speaker 2: just expeditions in the fifties, I believe in the sixties.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's been anything recently because I know
Speaker 2: it's a national park now, it's a protected by the
Speaker 2: Canadian government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look up photos of that place. It is
Speaker 1: just it seems like one of the wildest places on
Speaker 1: Earth up there, the rapids, the waterfalls definitely would be
Speaker 1: one of those unforgiving places that you might not get
Speaker 1: too many chances if you're up there. But going back
Speaker 1: to Beyond Bigfoot. When you were writing this book, was
Speaker 1: there a goal in mind that you would want readers
Speaker 1: to be able to attain after reading this, or something
Speaker 1: that you wish they would take away after reading this.
Speaker 2: Book, like my goal or like what I won't be
Speaker 2: able to take away? It's like would any books I
Speaker 2: write or what anything? Is that education? It's about learning
Speaker 2: new things and opening up your eye to different possibilities.
Speaker 2: Like for instance, like you reference yourself that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things in here that you've probably not a
Speaker 2: lot of people have heard about or maybe've heard of
Speaker 2: out once. Maybe we've heard maybe you've heard a name
Speaker 2: devil monkey, but you never knew what it was. And
Speaker 2: maybe you've heard the name Doug Wee, but you really
Speaker 2: didn't know the research behind it. What I would want
Speaker 2: people to take away from this is learning about these creatures.
Speaker 2: And also one thing I always like to do is
Speaker 2: make your own hypothesis, make your own summaries, like to
Speaker 2: bring it out like maybe heck, maybe they know Ryan
Speaker 2: could be wrong on these hypotheses he puts out, but
Speaker 2: this is a good counter argument. This is a good
Speaker 2: counter hypothesis instead, Like I love getting challenged on my
Speaker 2: own hypotheses and own ideas because it really brings out
Speaker 2: a lot of like high level thinking in the first place.
Speaker 2: Like for instance, my nine to five job, I'm an educator.
Speaker 2: When my when it comes to cryptoserology, it's very much
Speaker 2: coming from a perspective of education, of learning and trying
Speaker 2: to teach people about these creatures and let them make
Speaker 2: their own judgments own summaries on it. Like the three
Speaker 2: main creatures that I go over is the North American eight, Dougree,
Speaker 2: and the devil monkey. Like I would love for people
Speaker 2: to learn about these creatures and maybe even go and
Speaker 2: do to further research, like, for instance, myself with this
Speaker 2: book my forwards written by the legendary Low and Coleman.
Speaker 2: Loan Coleman's one of the only real research I could
Speaker 2: think of that do North American eight research.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So I reached out to him and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll gladly help you. This bunked and he wrote my
Speaker 2: forward and it was a really a weird moment because
Speaker 2: it's me working with a childhood hero of mine. So
Speaker 2: it was a very much a surreal moment. And like,
Speaker 2: that's what I would love people to do, is maybe
Speaker 2: like after you read a book, maybe like if you
Speaker 2: can find an author, like reach out to the author,
Speaker 2: like reach out to me, like, hey, like I like
Speaker 2: this part, but about this in my own sighting, like
Speaker 2: go out there and do further research because reading a
Speaker 2: book is great, but if that book really had connection
Speaker 2: to you, you go and read even further on or
Speaker 2: even maybe learn a little bit more about our prehistory.
Speaker 2: Because I bring up like persform nor from America and
Speaker 2: like earlier to please adapt forms and I'm on my
Speaker 2: forms the preystal Privates and America, and people have not
Speaker 2: really heard about a lot like learning new things and
Speaker 2: maybe furthering your own research. That's what I would really
Speaker 2: like people like kind of would have to read this book.
Speaker 1: After you released this book, did you get people reaching
Speaker 1: out to saying, like, you know what, I read this
Speaker 1: and realized, Hey, I've actually experienced one of these things,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't realize.
Speaker 2: It I have. I have not had any experience yet,
Speaker 2: which is I'm like what it is. It's pretty much
Speaker 2: just it's a fairly new book. It's been out only
Speaker 2: a couple of months now. And also I begin trying
Speaker 2: to get it into reviews of like authors hands like
Speaker 2: I get a good copy. I gave Comedy Good Friends
Speaker 2: of Mine, Ken Gearhard Love Blackbird, give copies to Jeff
Speaker 2: Meldrom and things like that. But like I've talked a
Speaker 2: other researchers have been like, yeah, like I've had people
Speaker 2: reference these bigfoot like creatures, wo muzzles. I've always out
Speaker 2: there a dog man. Now I think they could be
Speaker 2: a gug grey and I'm like cool, like and they've
Speaker 2: literally gone back and talked to the witness and said
Speaker 2: like okay, like let me get a little bit more
Speaker 2: details on the muzzle, and they're like, yeah, this sounds
Speaker 2: more like this gugrey creature or I thineven I've had
Speaker 2: a researcher out East Texas reference They're like, yeah, like
Speaker 2: people out here seeing baboons, And I was like baboons,
Speaker 2: Like how big with these baboons They're like like the
Speaker 2: size of a human. Like that sounds very similar to
Speaker 2: a double monkey. So I bring out They're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe a lot of these sidings that people thought were
Speaker 2: bigfoot or people thought were baboons, maybe old chimpanzees even
Speaker 2: were actually these cryptids being seen. Like for instance, I
Speaker 2: think when I was younger, I saw a I think
Speaker 2: it was a Monster Quest episode and it was about
Speaker 2: chimpanzees in North America, and the whole episode was over
Speaker 2: people releasing chimpanzees out in the woods and people then
Speaker 2: seeing chimpanzees in the woods, And I'm like, looking after
Speaker 2: this book, I mean, what if some of these chimpanzees
Speaker 2: sidies bought chimpanzees. Maybe they were if they were these
Speaker 2: North American apes or maybe even young sasquatch that people
Speaker 2: misidentified as a known species it's weird to think about
Speaker 2: We're always seeing cryptids as being missidentifications of known species.
Speaker 2: What are some of these known species we're actual missidentifications
Speaker 2: of cryptids. Like, it's a kind of it's a perspective
Speaker 2: that I think not a lot of people think of.
Speaker 2: Like it's very much a paradigm changer. A lot of
Speaker 2: times when you do research like this, No.
Speaker 1: I think so too. In this book will definitely it'll
Speaker 1: either give you new information or it'll challenge the way
Speaker 1: that you've been thinking so far. And I think that
Speaker 1: it is healthy to do that, to learn from things
Speaker 1: you read. Thank you for putting this this book Beyond
Speaker 1: Bigfoot together, Ryan, and it's it's been a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you on the show today. O Rian. What's the best
Speaker 1: way to pick up this book?
Speaker 2: I would recommend Amazon. If you look at theron at
Speaker 2: the words Bigfoot, this book Beyond Before We'll come up.
Speaker 2: My second book, Slash Watched The Prehistory of Delivering Legend
Speaker 2: will come up. But also my first book, Critics Over
Speaker 2: the World, So yeah, you can pick them up on Amazon. Also,
Speaker 2: these two both my last two recent books well also
Speaker 2: released by EWE Light's publishing company. They have a website
Speaker 2: that is done by a good friend of mine, David Weaderley,
Speaker 2: an well known cryptozoologist. If you reach out to their website,
Speaker 2: they also have copies on there as well.
Speaker 1: Fantastic after reading this listeners, if you have an account
Speaker 1: that is you're like wow that lines up with the
Speaker 1: Gugway or the Devil Monkey. Is there a way for
Speaker 1: people to reach out to you, Ryan, to share maybe
Speaker 1: their thoughts about the book, or if they've experienced things
Speaker 1: that you've written about in the book.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course. I always have my social media is
Speaker 2: open and ready for people to reach out to or
Speaker 2: I have a Facebook Ran Edwards on Facebook. I have
Speaker 2: an Instagram page are Edwards at Crypto twenty five. If
Speaker 2: you look at Brian Edwards on Instagram, I'm there. Also.
Speaker 3: I do have my email Ran Edwards dot crypto at
Speaker 3: gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Rand Drew's is one word. You can reach out to
Speaker 2: my email, and I'm always open to people talking to me,
Speaker 2: like people that have maybe good reviews for the books,
Speaker 2: or even bad reviews for the book, so I can
Speaker 2: maybe fixed mistakes I've made, or eyewitnesses or just people
Speaker 2: that have fans of cryptozoology in general, like I love
Speaker 2: talking about the weird and the change, so reach.
Speaker 1: Out fantastic And before we head out completely, Ryan, are
Speaker 1: there any other things that you would want listeners to
Speaker 1: know before we end our time together today.
Speaker 2: That's just that, like always question, always do your research,
Speaker 2: and what I always say is to never stop exploring,
Speaker 2: never stop wondering what really is out there because the
Speaker 2: second we think we have all the answers, we don't.
Speaker 2: Science doesn't have all the answers need us, Cryptozoology or
Speaker 2: any other field like the world is a mixture of
Speaker 2: different things. Never stop exploring, never stop questioning, because without questions,
Speaker 2: you will never make discoveries.
Speaker 1: I love it very well said and Ryan, thank you
Speaker 1: again for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's a pleasure being on.
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Speaker 1: had a bigfoot encounter while in the military. Number six
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Speaker 1: New Hampshire or north central Massachusetts area, including Franklin County, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Number seven individuals that have had a bigfoot encounter in
Speaker 1: a Bible camp or boy Scout camp setting. Number eight
Speaker 1: individuals that have had bigfoot try to enter their house
Speaker 1: forcibly while they were living inside. Number nine individuals that
Speaker 1: have actively have a bigfoot living on their property. And lastly,
Speaker 1: any sightings that are in the Watchitaw National Forest area
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma or Arkansas. A special thank you to all
Speaker 1: the bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's your
Speaker 1: support that helps keep the show going and I extremely
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'll see you back next time. Listeners. Saswath
Speaker 1: Summerfest this year July eleventh through the twelfth. It's going
Speaker 1: to be fantastic. July eleventh through twelfth in Greenwaters Park
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Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing you there, So make sure
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