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Head on over to patreon dot com. 12 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:37.119 Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get 13 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.439 on with the show, all right, Big for Society. We 14 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.000 got the privilege of talking to mister Ryan Edwards today. 15 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.920 He's a cryptosologist from San Antonio, Texas. You may remember 16 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.679 Ryan was back on the podcast, oh man, maybe even 17 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.920 a few years ago now when his first book came out, 18 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.880 I believe. But we're having him back on to catch 19 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.200 up and he's also got some new things cooking. And 20 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:01.679 so how are we doing today. 21 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:03.520 Brian doing good? 22 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.000 Pleasure to be on awesome? Oh man? I want to 23 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.040 say right off the bat. This the new book that 24 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:13.879 you've got out the beyond Bigfoot, the other unrecognized primates 25 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:17.200 of North America. It is very cool. It is not 26 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:21.760 I would say it's different from your normal Bigfoot book, 27 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:24.120 but it's a book that needed to be written and 28 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:28.079 it is just so cool. How I don't think this 29 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:29.799 is giving too much away, but you were able to 30 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:34.920 take research that was done a long time ago by 31 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:39.640 people such as Lauren Coleman and connect that to current day. 32 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:42.719 And there's a lot of reports in there that I 33 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.359 myself hadn't even seen before. So, man, some really cool 34 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:47.159 stuff in this book. 35 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.760 I appreciate. It is honestly when it comes from me. 36 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.599 In writing books, I with Sasquatch books especially, I'm like 37 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.159 everything's already been written about, so I try to bring 38 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:01.959 up books like, hey, what been written about yet? And 39 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:04.599 the animals and cryptos that I bring up in this book, 40 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.480 I feel haven't gotten a book yet. So that's the 41 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:08.599 reason I wrote. 42 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:13.000 This, Yeah, exactly, And I'll you know. For example, there 43 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.120 are multiple parts of this book, but one of them 44 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.080 I found very interesting was the whole devil monkey thing. 45 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:21.000 Because I've done it's come up every once in a 46 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:25.039 while in interviews on this podcast. But man, it's hard 47 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.680 to find resources about stuff like this. I'm glad that 48 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.439 you took the time to put it together. What was 49 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:37.400 your main motivation in going back and writing another book, 50 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:40.840 but this time about these unrecognized primates? 51 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.520 Pretty much? I always think of this book as a 52 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:48.159 good follow up in my second book, Sasquatch Prehistory, that 53 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.680 one goes into a deep, deep researching of the Sasquatch, 54 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:56.520 possible evolutionary origins, prespocal North America, stuff like that. And 55 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.800 while looking at sasquatch in recent years, we probably both 56 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:03.639 saying that type chart of like the ten types of Bigfoot, 57 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.800 the Patty type, the wind to go type, all that stuff. 58 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:08.919 And I looked at that, I'm like, how can we 59 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:13.319 break this down morphologically? How can we break this down zoologically? 60 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.879 So are there ten types of Sasquatch? No, it's very 61 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.759 unlikely for primates high older primates that have a lot 62 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.680 of subspecies. So I was like, okay, so let's look 63 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.039 at it. And then the three that mainly get brought 64 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:31.639 up are devil monkeys. That's a well known requipment seemed 65 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.479 throughout North America that's been researched since the sixties, since 66 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.240 Mark Hall, Lone Coleman, and in recent years we've bringing 67 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.599 a new variety of like variety of quote unquote sasquatch. 68 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:46.080 You get the gugly phenomenon these sasquatch like species species 69 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.680 with a mandule like muzzle. And then we also have 70 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.319 the most American ape napes are seen as more chimpanzee like. 71 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.520 This is a well known creature of work with Ron Coleman. 72 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.280 If you know the dexty Illinois prints, it's a sad 73 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.560 trucks like footprint, but with a divergent big toe. And 74 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.599 this is a crypto that really hasn't been talked about recently. 75 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:10.120 I was like, Okay, let me break this down, see 76 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.159 what these creatures could be, and also what's the likelihood 77 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:17.439 of them? Like, am I suggesting this full unknown species 78 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:23.199 of primate Roman North America? Most likely? No, But let's 79 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.680 go on the idea of like speculative evolution of like 80 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.920 if these creatures were real, what would they look like? 81 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.560 What would our evolutionary origins be? And then we do 82 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.000 have sightings of them, could these be misidentifications? Could these 83 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:38.519 be another species we just don't know about yet? And 84 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.759 that's really what brought me into this book. 85 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:44.519 It's a book where I learned a ton from Ryan, 86 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:49.319 especially with the nape part, with those tracks, because I've 87 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.879 seen them over the years. Some that got sent to 88 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.600 me and I was always like, man, this just feels 89 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:00.120 like it's not the normal bigfootprint and like something's off here. 90 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.120 And now you're able to present this like, yeah, this 91 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.680 is what's going on here. And actually I had an individual, 92 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:11.079 Harley Owens, that captured a track that is very close 93 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:17.319 to this nape where it has that one toe branching 94 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.000 out to the side like that. It's exactly what it 95 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:22.600 is that he captured down Tennessee. And this is very recent. 96 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.360 So I think you're doing a great service to the 97 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.759 community for bringing this stuff out into the open again, 98 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.240 because as we both know, it doesn't take long for 99 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.600 a community like this to maybe forget things that have 100 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.600 been discovered in earlier years like Lauren Coleman and Mark 101 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:41.720 Hall brought to light. 102 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.439 Yeah, Like that's one thing too, especially with just my 103 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.560 research in general, is that I very much am a 104 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:52.000 person that I look at the past. I'm what I 105 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:55.560 call myself an old fashioned crypto zoologist. I look at 106 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.759 the zoological fields. I look at the biological fields. I'm 107 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.240 very much I mean, I put myself and like a researcher, 108 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.480 very much similar to like how wend Hooveman's was. I 109 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:09.120 have t Sanderson Lawn, Coleman, ken Gerhart into the modern 110 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:14.519 day Love Blackburn, because I try to bring into like, Okay, nowadays, 111 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.000 at least for modern cryptozoology and modern bigfoot research, it's 112 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:22.199 got muddy. It's got muddied up so much by UFOs 113 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.600 and the paranormal field and supernatural and I'm like, wait, no, 114 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:30.240 let's bring out the zoology in cryptozoology and look at 115 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.800 let's look at the animals, let's look at the old 116 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.839 fashioned research of like okay, let's know the biological fields, 117 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:41.160 let's know primatology. And I am not classically trained in 118 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.519 these fields, of course, but still you can bring out 119 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.000 like okay, let's see what we've learned from the past 120 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:50.759 and bring it out into the modern day and hopefully 121 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:53.560 bring out it kind of like almost a revolution of No. 122 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:59.199 Cryptozoology is zoology at its basics, and that's really what 123 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:00.519 my research has go after. 124 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.600 I love that when you were doing research for this book, 125 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:10.399 did you make any discoveries along the way that we're like, wow, 126 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:12.879 this is completely new to me, or was it more 127 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.199 just putting all the facts that you knew together in 128 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.480 a handheld written book. 129 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.879 Actually, there was a lot of discoveries made along the way, 130 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:26.519 a lot of things that I learned that were very 131 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:28.399 interesting to me. Like, for instance, not a lot of 132 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:33.120 people realized that primates, first of all, appear in North America. 133 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.519 Some of the first primates evolved around sixty six million 134 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.759 years ago. These were known as purgatorious. But then some 135 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.759 well known primaries called plesiadapa forms. These are very much 136 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:49.560 like lemurs tasier like primates that died out about thirty 137 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:53.240 three about thirty seven million years ago. But they had 138 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.680 a long lineage and it existed from like sixty six 139 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.800 to thirty thirty seven million years ago, and then around 140 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:06.439 thirty seven million years ago Wheniapholms formed these old gleam 141 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.120 aur like primates that roamed North America back in the EOC. 142 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.199 And I bring in the ideas like, okay, so primates 143 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.959 war here a long time ago, and we believed they 144 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.680 died out around thirty seven million years ago. It's interesting 145 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.480 back around twenty six point three million years ago a 146 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:29.360 primary called igo lash kalala that means little catman, and sue, 147 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:32.200 this primate just came out of came out of nowhere. 148 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:36.679 Less known primates from the false record were about ten 149 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.720 million years before this one. Where does creature come from? 150 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:42.559 This idea is of like what we like to call 151 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.279 ghost lineages animals. Does the kind of pop out of 152 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.000 nowhere with an evolution, and especially with primatology. Ask any 153 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.480 good primatologists or biologists don't say we only know about 154 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.559 ten percent of all primates known to the world. So 155 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.320 that really brings in the ideas of like, let's look 156 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:04.240 at here American, see if we could see primates evolving 157 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.440 here in the more modern day of the fire scene 158 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:08.440 and replace to see. 159 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:17.360 It's extremely interesting, man, especially the whole catman thing. When 160 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:18.799 I was reading the book, I was like, oh wow, 161 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.200 this is a new one for me and definitely learning 162 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:25.159 a lot. And also I wanted to point out I 163 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.240 was reading through I was being man, it would be 164 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.519 cool if there are some pictures. He's describing the pictures, 165 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.679 and then you get to the back there's some solid pictures. 166 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.559 It's a great appendix in the back of pictures that 167 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.840 are shouted out during the writing of it. So it's 168 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:43.720 got great encounters. It's got also great pictures, some of 169 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:47.559 which I don't think I'd seen at least one of 170 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.799 them before. Maybe I just wasn't looking in the right areas. 171 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.159 But some really interesting stuff, the unrecognized primates that are 172 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.639 called out in this book. Have you actually yourself been 173 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.600 out to try to do any field where to look 174 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:06.039 into these primates or try to see them for yourself, But. 175 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.360 Me, I have not. I've been in areas before that 176 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:12.720 we've had signings. For instance, I've done research in East 177 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.320 Texas with bigfoot, and there have been double monkey sidings 178 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.720 in the same area. But a lot of these creatures, 179 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.879 for instance, the gug wee, it's primarily seen in pots Canada, 180 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:27.519 and recent sidings have been spreading into the more Mississippi 181 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:33.559 River delta. But for me, field research is a secondhand step. 182 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.399 It's like I try to do it as much as 183 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.159 I can, but being a full time educator and being 184 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:42.759 very busy my schedule, field research is not a large 185 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.600 effic of my research. A lot of it is the 186 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:49.600 more academic side of it, looking at textbooks all day 187 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:52.960 and looking at human and anatomy posts like Okay, like, 188 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.039 what could these primates look like? And I've been in 189 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:00.440 areas what they've been seen before, but actually researching them 190 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:02.399 in the field, I have not yet. 191 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.200 We were talking about earlier before that in the pre 192 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.279 interview that you had actually made it up to the 193 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.679 Red River, Texas area and experience some interesting things, maybe 194 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.200 something that was a little bit out of the ordinary. 195 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:20.440 Would you mind sharing about that? 196 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.000 Of course, yes. I recalled Brown Springs. Good friends of mine, 197 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:28.639 Texas Wesson and Jason McLean, researchers, were at the Texas 198 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.879 Front Porch. They've been researching out there for years now, 199 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:33.519 and they invited me out and I was like, yeah, 200 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.320 let me come along. Because they've gotten the bigfoot signs 201 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.000 out there. There's been dog man signs out there. There's 202 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.320 a haunted cemetery on top of a hill with a 203 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:44.799 natural spring to it. So I was like, okay, it's 204 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.279 not there, spooky stay place. Let me go check it out. 205 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.000 And I was there with a couple of young guys, 206 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.639 a good friend of mine, Nick, and there was one 207 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.960 night we're like, okay, we had a thermal imager and 208 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.840 we're like, let's burn the fields. Burned. The back of 209 00:11:57.879 --> 00:11:59.840 the field see if we've seen any thing pop up. 210 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:04.000 And this is a phenomenon I've always heard of, but 211 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:08.679 I've never experienced myself. We turned this one corner, we 212 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.840 had all our windows down. We'll probably going to maybe 213 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.120 ten months per hour in this car. All of a sudden, 214 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.679 old insects, old and noise has stopped out of nowhere. 215 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.600 And we were driving and I referenced the guys, I'm like, 216 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.440 it got quiet, isn't it. And we just listen and 217 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.759 this you there's no sound at all. And there was 218 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.039 a thermometer in the car, and we learn from the 219 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:36.960 screen and from I belief like from like seventy six 220 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.200 down to like fifty seven and like less of five minutes. 221 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.399 So we felt the temperature change, and you just have 222 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:48.080 that weird feeling of like there's something here that doesn't 223 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.639 want us here. And this is the phenomenon we've had 224 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.360 occurred with like bigfoot, for bigfoot sidings, and this part 225 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.320 of the property we were on has had a lot 226 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.960 of bigfoot signings and past So this conclusive evidence, no, 227 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.559 but it was a weird experience. And also on that 228 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.159 same expedition, we were in the back part of property 229 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:10.960 as well, and this is right along the Red River, 230 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.000 and I'll host texts. He said, yeah, this time of 231 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.639 year usually if there's any sash watching the area down 232 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.279 on the other side of the river on the high ground. 233 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:23.679 And I'm not really sure what I heard, but I 234 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.559 thought I heard about like a whoop, like almost like 235 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.720 a like a howl in the distance, and then sound 236 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.960 canine sound primate like, and it was coming from the 237 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:37.039 other side of Red River, and I was like, I 238 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.519 looked at the other guys that were with me, and 239 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:40.919 we're like, they hear that. They're like, yeah, we heard 240 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.480 that too. Was it a possible auditory siding of a 241 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.759 sash watch. It's possible, But I always try not to 242 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.240 jump to conclusions. Because I was right on the edge 243 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.000 of my hearing, I can't really make conclusions. But it 244 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.799 did sound very primate like. 245 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:01.360 That's interesting. It's an area of where it comes up 246 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.480 every once in a while, and there's some really intense 247 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.639 things that can happen down near that area that have 248 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.919 been reported. So maybe someday in the future I'll make 249 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:17.919 it down there. Your viewpoint as a cryptozoologist when you're 250 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.720 thinking of about this, You've stated in your book you 251 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:26.960 have all these unrecognized primates of North America. Your viewpoint 252 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:31.080 of Bigfoot then, is it similar to how you're viewing 253 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.039 these other things or are you viewing Bigfoot a little 254 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.799 bit different as well than that? 255 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.279 Oh, I viewed fast Watch very similarly. Like stated earlier, 256 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.000 this third book is a kind of a sequel to 257 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.320 my second book, Sasqatch Free History, because with Fast Watched, 258 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.799 I come at it from very much I'm all fashioned, 259 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.039 I'm an aper. I believe it's an unknown ae unorganized 260 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:00.200 ABC in North America. I don't believe it's a human species. 261 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.039 Pigs, a society who will be right back after these messages. 262 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.440 The anatomy doesn't shouldn't suggest the human species, and also 263 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.679 lack of culture. And in my second book, Stashwatch Preehistory, 264 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:30.440 I came out of Shashwatch from very much a prystal 265 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:34.799 galintons because my biggest issue with Bigfoot siding is just 266 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.320 the size of this creature. These animals are seen to 267 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:40.360 be like eight to nine feet tall, and if anyone 268 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:44.279 knows anything about zoology, animals that are larger, animals that 269 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.840 are most specialized usually die out quicker. Look at the 270 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.720 megafinal species of classed in North America. They are almost 271 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:54.720 all of them extinct. I look at sasqulagic not through 272 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.039 a modern lens, but through a peristal galons. This is 273 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:02.200 truly a piece of classis in megafauna that most likely, 274 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.679 thanks to its intelligence and thanks to its adaptations, has 275 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.759 been able to survive into the modern day. Like our 276 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.600 reference in the book, people don't realize that grizzly bears 277 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.320 have been around for like more than ten million years. 278 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:19.080 Grizzly bears lived alongside mamis why can a sasquatch other 279 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.159 than the ideas like what a sasquatch evolutionary history? Where 280 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.720 could it have come from? Because these animals are animals. 281 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.759 Every animal has their natural history CRYPTI all known species. 282 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:35.000 I speculate on where these animals came from. What is 283 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.559 their morphology from, like sightings, what's the behavior set? What 284 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.559 can we get from sightings and what we see? And 285 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.440 also what is their ecology? If these are natural species 286 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.159 living in the world, they have to fit in some 287 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.000 type of niche. Are they at apex creditor? They have omnivore? 288 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.679 Are they a frugivore? But sasquatch and a lot of 289 00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:01.000 these unknown primates they were very much apex omnible. They're 290 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.600 not a hyperconnivore. They're not like a cat or dog, 291 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:09.359 but they're very adaptable. They eat a wide variety of things. 292 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.279 You can tell by the dentition. For instance, when people 293 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:17.880 referencing sasquatch, I've heard eyewitnesses talk about kids calling Lincoln 294 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.400 log teeth because they're very human like teeth. From our 295 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.279 own dentation, we can suspect, yeah, these animals are most 296 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.759 likely highly adaptable with meat, hard nuts, stuff like that 297 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:35.839 would having grinding molars. Because one bigger aspect of biology, 298 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.640 not all that people look at is dentition, is a teeth. 299 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.720 If you know how animals teeth look like, you can 300 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.759 speculate on what that animal eats. You can speculate on 301 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.039 their niche and also how they probably look like. So 302 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.000 that's one thing I try to look at with sasquatch 303 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:54.640 primarily is like the ideas of like their biology, because 304 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:56.799 this is truly a biological. 305 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:06.519 Species, something that I have tried to trying to wrap 306 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.279 my mind around how I feel about it, just because 307 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.039 as I go along the last few years talking to 308 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:16.680 people daily, but also starting to go out to different 309 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:24.240 areas and experience things as an individual that their viewpoint 310 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:30.400 of Bigfoot is primarily I would probably even say one 311 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.839 hundred percent that it is an ape. How do you 312 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:37.599 deal with reports where there have been individuals that say, 313 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:43.000 experience something that I can't explain, or heard something, or 314 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:46.799 there seems to be something related to these reports that 315 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.559 are not within the normal realm of science. 316 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.319 Yeah, the more wu aspect of this field that has 317 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.359 come out in recent years, Yeah, that's an aspect that 318 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.680 I bring into my research. Like, for instance, a couple 319 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:05.799 of weeks ago, I did an interview with a Wes 320 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.119 Germer of Sasquatch Chronicles, and he brought up the loup, Like, 321 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:12.599 what about all this aspect? And in my honest opinion, 322 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.319 it's just it's not where my research is. I acknowledge 323 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.640 that the phenomena does occur, but it's like trying to 324 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.400 have me make an opinion on quantum physics. If I 325 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.400 don't know it, I'm not going to make an opinion 326 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.839 on it. My research is primarily based on zoology and 327 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:35.119 physical sciences. Yes, there is other phenomena occurring, but my 328 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:37.440 research doesn't go into it. So it's just hard to 329 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.920 make really an opinion on it. I acknowledge that there's 330 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.039 other events occurring around these creatures being seen around the world, 331 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.279 especially with sasquatch phenomena. But even like my good friends 332 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.400 texts Wes and Jason mccleanbring up what if there's different 333 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.200 phenomena occurring but with the same face, Like what if 334 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.359 there's something else occurring here that looks like sasquatch but 335 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.599 isn't the sasquatch. And that's one thing I've bring in 336 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:05.480 with my research as well, like, Okay, there's other Like 337 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.200 with me being a general cryptois logist, I just don't 338 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.000 do Bigfoot. I do all types of creatures like from 339 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.000 Bigfoot to walk the sponsor to I've had thunderbird sidings, mothman, 340 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.640 dog men, and researching these other cryptids it makes me 341 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:24.440 think like, yeah, there is something paranormal occurring, But with sasquatch, 342 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.440 there's there's too much for the fisial side, there's too 343 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.960 much for it being some type of biological species to 344 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:36.720 try to disprove it being something supernatural, Like it makes 345 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.480 sense biologically, so why would we throw the baby out 346 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.640 with the bath water? Once phenomenon start occurring. 347 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:50.559 Very interesting, Yeah, it'll be I think we man I 348 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:52.839 don't even know what's going to happen in twenty twenty five. 349 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:57.839 To be honest, it feels like there's so much I 350 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.680 don't know. I hear a lot of things, and there's 351 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.519 a lot of behind the scenes research that's going on 352 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.160 right now. I man, I don't know. Maybe it's just 353 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.079 me being overly positive, and I would hope that this 354 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:13.960 is the year where we get some really cool stuff 355 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.839 that comes out, maybe evidence wise, I think all of 356 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.519 us hope that. It feels like it may have been 357 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.480 a while since there's been something substantial, But have you 358 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.240 Are there any things of evidence that come to mind 359 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:29.839 over the last few years that you've you've seen and 360 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:31.279 thought were pretty cool. 361 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:35.480 A piece of evidence For me, There's been a couple 362 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:38.720 of signings I've been interesting. For instance, I'm trying to 363 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.440 think of one signing I'm bringing forward right now, but 364 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.799 like a lot of signings recently have been very indicative 365 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.119 of like a lot of primate behavior. For instance, in 366 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.920 Texas come for years back, there were and I believe 367 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.599 this by Houston, there were and the story in the 368 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.319 news is about a escaped chimpanzee out on the loose, 369 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.240 and I was like, okay, Eskate chimpanzee. That brings my 370 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:06.200 interest and looking at it, I'm like, wait, these people 371 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.759 are reference to a chimpanzee that's six foot tall. I 372 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:11.559 don't know what they're seeing, but I don't think that 373 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.519 the chimpanzee is like a lot of things like that. 374 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.680 For instance. Of course, one big piece of evidence that 375 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:20.440 I'm looking at a little bit more now thanks to 376 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:24.599 a good friend of mine, is stick structures down here 377 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.359 in San Antonio, a good friend of mine, Rob Nichols, 378 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.720 American Bigfoot. He's been bringing out more ideas of like 379 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:36.720 these stick structures of Saskquats building, these fairly elaborate structures 380 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.799 that don't look like they were made by humans. And 381 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:42.599 I've gone out in the field with Rod and I'm 382 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:45.400 seeing these in person. I'm like, no, this this is 383 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:49.480 something peculiar. This is something that this isn't human made. 384 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.440 That's like a piece of evidence with sass watch. I've 385 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:55.000 never really looked into soil seeing it in person, and 386 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.440 I'm like, Okay, no, like this might be something I 387 00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.960 might want put a little bit more time and effort 388 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:01.000 into researching. 389 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:05.240 Absolutely, I'm glad that we were able to bring up 390 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.799 Rod because I was just about to. I just had 391 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:12.039 Rod Nichols on the show a few episodes back from 392 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.279 Barrett County Bigfoot, of course, from around the same area 393 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:19.480 where you're at in San Antonio. After that episode, there 394 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.440 are many people that reached more than a few I'd 395 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.680 say that reached out saying yeah, I am also having 396 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:31.079 some weird stuff happen, sightings, class be stuff just around 397 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:35.839 these different areas of San Antonio. Have you, besides going 398 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:38.720 out with Rod in the field and looking at stick structures, 399 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:43.240 have you run into anyone who's had encounters down there 400 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:47.720 or been able to have any communication with people besides 401 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.279