Speaker 1: All right, we're back, and I wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: Lisa Hanson, who was kind enough to come on and
Speaker 1: tell us her story about what happened to her as
Speaker 1: a small business person during the lockdown under a kind
Speaker 1: of medical martial law and a governor who was one
Speaker 1: of the worst tyrants there. The vice presidential candidate for
Speaker 1: the Democrats now Tim Walls, and I want people to
Speaker 1: remember what happened during this They want to flush this
Speaker 1: down in the memory hole, but they want to do
Speaker 1: that because they want to bring it back. We have
Speaker 1: to remember what happened and say never again. Lisa is
Speaker 1: a wife, mother, and grandmother. She married her high school
Speaker 1: sweetheart at the young age of eighteen and never looked back.
Speaker 1: She says. Lisa and her husband have eight beautiful children
Speaker 1: and by the end of the year they will have
Speaker 1: eighteen grandchildren. Congratulations, that's wonderful. They've owned and operated businesses
Speaker 1: for well over thirty years. They're doing most businesses. If
Speaker 1: they're going to fail, they fail within the first five years.
Speaker 1: You've done this for thirty years. So thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us, Lisa. I appreciate you coming on and telling
Speaker 1: us your story.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Tell us a bit about your business. Well, thank you,
Speaker 1: and thank you for what you're doing, and thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on and talking to people, because it's important
Speaker 1: we don't forget this. Tell people a little bit about
Speaker 1: what your business was like before the so called pandemic.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it was a thriving business. It was located
Speaker 2: right in the heart of the historical downtown part of
Speaker 2: Albert Lee, Minnesota, and a thriving business. I say that
Speaker 2: because it was a well loved business, not only by
Speaker 2: the locals of the area. But we did a specialty coffee,
Speaker 2: We did special tea, sandwiches, pastries, specialty even I would
Speaker 2: say specialty wine because we had some great selection of
Speaker 2: wine and beers, and a lot of fun. We had
Speaker 2: a little night life going on. We had it. We
Speaker 2: just had the whole gamut of a really great vibe
Speaker 2: and a great experience for people just to kind of
Speaker 2: come in, turn it off and just sit and enjoy
Speaker 2: great business. I know that it was a well loved business,
Speaker 2: and I know that it is missed only because I
Speaker 2: have people still stop me on the street saying, we
Speaker 2: really miss your restaurants so great. It was kind of
Speaker 2: always a dream of mine and my husband's and we
Speaker 2: kind of modeled our business after some of the European
Speaker 2: bistros that we have visited as we had the opportunity
Speaker 2: to travel. So great little business, a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: that's great, a lot of hard work, a lot of
Speaker 2: hard work, put a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Now you poured a lot of work, poured a lot
Speaker 1: of money into it. You knew the people that were there,
Speaker 1: and that's characteristic of small mom and pop businesses. That's
Speaker 1: the way we ran our business as well, and we
Speaker 1: got to know the customers on a regular basis that
Speaker 1: would come in and of course, you you know, were
Speaker 1: in an area, there was a tourist area, so you
Speaker 1: had a lot of people would pass through there and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're declared non essentral. And
Speaker 1: that was one of the things that really bothered me
Speaker 1: that happened to us. Once during a major storm, they
Speaker 1: allowed Walmart's open up, but they declared us to be
Speaker 1: non essential and they sent the police around to shut
Speaker 1: us down when we opened up. And to me, one
Speaker 1: of the key things that really bothered me about this
Speaker 1: whole lockdown is how they would say that the big
Speaker 1: Wall Street companies, the big big box companies that trade
Speaker 1: their stock on Wall Street. They're essential, like the walmarts,
Speaker 1: but all the mom and pops are non essential because
Speaker 1: most of the mom and pops are going to be
Speaker 1: involved in service businesses. And so they came after the restaurants,
Speaker 1: and they came after the nail salons and the barbershops
Speaker 1: and all the rest of this stuff that were in
Speaker 1: service businesses and said you're non essential and we're going
Speaker 1: to shut you down. They came after Main Street while
Speaker 1: they protected Wall Street, and they called us non essential.
Speaker 1: So what was it like when this all rolled out?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: And in contrast, Governor Walls shut down all those businesses
Speaker 2: that you just mentioned. And in contrast, he allowed the
Speaker 2: box stores to stay open, the liquor stores, and the
Speaker 2: strip clubs because they were essential all of these business.
Speaker 1: Churches aren't churches are not?
Speaker 2: No? Oh no, He shut the churches down, He shut
Speaker 2: the schools down. Yea, went on and on, and it
Speaker 2: was what was it? Life course, It was shocking. You know,
Speaker 2: we've never been through anything like this in our time
Speaker 2: in this country, which has been from birth, so we've
Speaker 2: never seen anything like this. It was shocking the State
Speaker 2: of Minnesota I think took the path of you know, communism.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. The governor had no right
Speaker 2: or authority, I should say, to do what he did.
Speaker 2: But yet he did it, and he got away with it.
Speaker 2: It still has gotten away with it. There's been no
Speaker 2: accountability for that, and there should have been. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of I believe that he has acted criminally.
Speaker 2: The governor has acted criminally, and he should be he
Speaker 2: should be prosecuted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And the problem is that they're not
Speaker 1: doing it because everybody was on board with it, you know, everybody.
Speaker 1: It was the Democratic governors, and yet I look at
Speaker 1: what happened with the wine in Ohio. He is one
Speaker 1: of the worst ones as well. He's a Republican. And
Speaker 1: they had practiced this for twenty years. The first one
Speaker 1: of these Germ Games two months before nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Then they put out the model state legislation for the
Speaker 1: states to enact to give themselves the power because they
Speaker 1: didn't want to directly order it from Washington. Instead, they
Speaker 1: you know, Trump financed the money. And when people were
Speaker 1: really up against it and had lost jobs and lost
Speaker 1: were losing businesses and everything, he tries to paper it
Speaker 1: over and assuage their anger by putting out the PPP
Speaker 1: and the Cares Act. How did that help? Did that
Speaker 1: help you out?
Speaker 2: We were hanging on by a thread and we had
Speaker 2: really you know, used up all of our resources as owners.
Speaker 2: And the second shutdown came along, and the first shutdown
Speaker 2: happened in March twenty twenty. Then the second shutdown came
Speaker 2: around twenty twenty. Now keep in mind we were never
Speaker 2: fully opened by the governor's governor Dictator Walls's word, so
Speaker 2: and all the while from March all the way up
Speaker 2: to November of the second full shutdown on these particular
Speaker 2: non essential businesses, we we we realized this is not right.
Speaker 2: He does not have the authority. As we started digging
Speaker 2: in and learning because David, unlike you, I have just
Speaker 2: started learning and becoming aware of my eyes opening and
Speaker 2: really being opened in the last you know, four years
Speaker 2: or so and shocking experience, trying to wrap our heads
Speaker 2: around everything that we believed, almost everything that we believed
Speaker 2: was a lie. So that it just your eyes continue
Speaker 2: to be open. And at the time, what do you
Speaker 2: do with that? You know, when we were going through
Speaker 2: this in twenty twenty, we we did consent because we
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: until the second full shutdown came for dine in restaurants
Speaker 2: being one of the businesses that was shut down. Ours
Speaker 2: was a ninety ninety five percent dining in company, and
Speaker 2: there's no way that we could have survived. We didn't
Speaker 2: really survive. We were hanging on by a thread, and
Speaker 2: not even really that. I told my husband, I said,
Speaker 2: if he does this again, if he goes, if he
Speaker 2: shuts us down completely, if he shuts us down at
Speaker 2: all any more than what we already are, and we're
Speaker 2: almost done anyway, We're almost out of business because we've
Speaker 2: exhausted everything we've got right, right, you know how that works.
Speaker 2: You've got to have revenue coming in to be able
Speaker 2: to pay your bills, pay your employees, and advance the business. Right,
Speaker 2: So let's.
Speaker 1: Talk about how it rolled out, you know, because do
Speaker 1: he roll us out kind of gradually and iteratively like
Speaker 1: any of this? So how did he roll Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was it was two weeks shut down, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: No nobody can come in your business right two weeks.
Speaker 2: But the two weeks into two and one half months. Wow,
Speaker 2: And then he back started backing off. Okay, you can
Speaker 2: be seventy five percent open. Okay, you can be fifty
Speaker 2: percent open, twenty five percent, and then when November came,
Speaker 2: then it was full board. You know, you're one hundred
Speaker 2: percent shut down. Again. You can do take out, carry
Speaker 2: out delivery, right, all of those, but you can't do
Speaker 2: any dye ins. And again for most businesses, and none
Speaker 2: of it made any sense.
Speaker 1: No, no, I didn't, not even with their you know,
Speaker 1: if you completely buy into their pandemic narrative, their virus
Speaker 1: narratives or ology, none of it made any sense indidally.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you talk about a business like
Speaker 1: a restaurant, and it was similar to the type of
Speaker 1: business we were in. You know that most of your
Speaker 1: business is going to happen like Friday nights and Saturdays
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So if they cut you down
Speaker 1: to fifty percent at your peak hours, you still can't
Speaker 1: cover what is happening. You know, it isn't evenly distributed.
Speaker 1: It's all clumped into you know, into the weekends and
Speaker 1: things like that. So if they limit your maximum capacity,
Speaker 1: they can put you out of business pretty easily, right,
Speaker 1: and think about it.
Speaker 2: Back in November of twenty twenty, pretty much the rest
Speaker 2: of the country was opened up and Walls was still
Speaker 2: shutting us down. Obviously, there were other places that were
Speaker 2: still dealing with shutdowns as well lockdowns, but Minnesota, we
Speaker 2: were completely done with this, and I told my husband,
Speaker 2: I said, we have two choices. We can we either
Speaker 2: Choice number one would be to shut down, close our business.
Speaker 2: Excuse me for us to close our dream business and
Speaker 2: to walk away done and figure out how to pay
Speaker 2: off the debt. You know, even though we are not
Speaker 2: turning any revenue, so close our doors forever. Or Option
Speaker 2: number two was to open up fully, because why not
Speaker 2: we have that right. There was no law. I did
Speaker 2: not violate any laws. I'm a law by I'm a
Speaker 2: law biding citizen, a law biding grammar, and so no
Speaker 2: laws were broken, and so we decided we took option
Speaker 2: number two. With the help of an organization in Minnesota
Speaker 2: that put together a plan of action. I thought it
Speaker 2: was a very solid plan. They invited all businesses that
Speaker 2: wanted you to open up together on the same day.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great plan. Here's what you know.
Speaker 2: They gave suggestions on how this would how we would
Speaker 2: orchestrate this and if you get the call from the state,
Speaker 2: which you likely will, you're going to here. Here's what
Speaker 2: we suggest that you say. And so anyway, the plan
Speaker 2: rolled out. We got on board. I forget the exact date, December.
Speaker 2: I apologize.
Speaker 1: What other businesses o? Their businesses join with you? Just? Good? Good?
Speaker 1: Did they?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Tell us what happened then? When when you opened up?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So just a bit of a backstory, there was about
Speaker 2: two hundred other businesses that and yeah, we want to
Speaker 2: do this. They shouldn't been two thousand usually, but there
Speaker 2: was two hundred. We all opened up. It was it
Speaker 2: was marketed, for lack of a better term, that we
Speaker 2: were opening. So people, if you were in favor of
Speaker 2: supporting these businesses here they are, go support them, go
Speaker 2: patronize them. Which it was amazing. We had so much
Speaker 2: support coming from all over the state and other states
Speaker 2: as well there to support us on that first day
Speaker 2: and that whole week after and then it just continued.
Speaker 2: So what happened though, David and this was to fail.
Speaker 2: Two hundred businesses, approximately two hundred Dive or take signed
Speaker 2: up to get on board about within twenty four hours
Speaker 2: after there were only ten of us that were still open.
Speaker 2: Everybody else had consented to close down.
Speaker 1: Really, oh, people aren't willing to stand up for their freedom,
Speaker 1: Like you said, you should have been two thousand or more,
Speaker 1: twenty thousand or whatever. And you know, of the ones
Speaker 1: who sign up, only a five percent hung with it.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: It is amazing and very sad. It was very so
Speaker 2: because now basically, and I know that it wasn't. You know, again,
Speaker 2: I have some grace for these folks and for people
Speaker 2: that don't understand, because I was really forced into a
Speaker 2: position to become educated and understand more than what I
Speaker 2: had ever anticipated. And it just my education continues.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Here we are four years later and I'm still learning.
Speaker 2: So so we we there was only about ten of
Speaker 2: us left open, and uh, you know, the state can
Speaker 2: handle that. The state can come. If it had been
Speaker 2: two hundred, the state wouldn't have been able to handle.
Speaker 2: And that was the whole, you know, point of doing this,
Speaker 2: but show the state we were not we're not consenting
Speaker 2: to their tyrannical orders which carry no weight of law.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately said we either hang together or we hang separately.
Speaker 1: The wouldn't hang together. You all hung separately. So what
Speaker 1: what did they do when they came after you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they came after me, of course, every they
Speaker 2: used every resource they have as the state, and of
Speaker 2: course it's the state. They have a lot of resources,
Speaker 2: no end to their resources. So I was issued to
Speaker 2: cease and desist immediately, within twenty four hours, I believe
Speaker 2: it was. And of course I did not cease and desist.
Speaker 2: And then they started throwing lawsuits at me. So I
Speaker 2: believe I had in total five civil cases against me
Speaker 2: and two criminal cases against me.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And so then what happened with these cases?
Speaker 2: So we went to court and we fought everything. We
Speaker 2: appealed everything all the way up to the suprevior I
Speaker 2: shouldn't say everything, but most of these cases, most of
Speaker 2: the decisions we objected. There was no due process for myself.
Speaker 2: That was completely denied through and through. I don't even
Speaker 2: think these judicials, of these judges actually even read my
Speaker 2: document all the way through, or the countless documents you
Speaker 2: know that I submitted to the court. So what happened
Speaker 2: long story short is we went to trial on one
Speaker 2: of the criminal cases in twenty twenty one, and yes
Speaker 2: it was twenty twenty one December and I went in
Speaker 2: front of a jury of six pre trial determined a
Speaker 2: very terrible thing. That is again, I can't believe it still,
Speaker 2: I just can't believe in an American court of law,
Speaker 2: it was determined that I would not be allowed to
Speaker 2: present my defense. My defense being constitutional, statutory, and case law,
Speaker 2: all relevant of course to the case, all relevant to
Speaker 2: this mandate that the governor had considered, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people considered law, it was not law.
Speaker 1: So we.
Speaker 2: Thought that we objected to that stipulation, of course, because
Speaker 2: I should have been allowed to present my defense to
Speaker 2: the jury. But it was, and of course we objected
Speaker 2: to that decision that the which had made didn't matter.
Speaker 2: The judges in lockstep with all the other judges that
Speaker 2: I faced, all the way up to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: they're all in this together. They're in it with the
Speaker 2: governor and attorney Let's not forget Attorney General Keith Ellison.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a really wicked evil man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorrow sorrows guy. He's one of the state
Speaker 1: attorneys general that Soros is able to get into office.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right right, So they say you can't can't
Speaker 1: argue your case, is going to shut it I've seen that,
Speaker 1: by the way, and politicized cases. I've seen it over
Speaker 1: and over again, whether it's ross Ulbrick with Silk Road,
Speaker 1: whether it was the Bundy's, and I could go on
Speaker 1: and on and on. Marty God felt they will shut down.
Speaker 1: You're presenting a defense. Did you have legal counsel? He
Speaker 1: had a lawyer representing you or do you represent yourself?
Speaker 2: I handled my own case as ce Jarius or did
Speaker 2: you you want to say it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you what about Jerry nullification? Do they have
Speaker 1: that on the books or in the constitution or did
Speaker 1: you look at that? And they do and.
Speaker 2: We did look at it, and we decided not to
Speaker 2: go that route.
Speaker 1: I have a case somebody interviewed about a decade ago.
Speaker 1: It called himself New Jersey weed Man, and he was
Speaker 1: a heavy marijuana user and he had a lot of it,
Speaker 1: and so when they came after him, they were going
Speaker 1: to get him for trafficking. It's like, no, man, I
Speaker 1: just use all that myself for my own personal use.
Speaker 1: And when I interviewed him later on as we're doing
Speaker 1: the interview, I believe it because he lights up a
Speaker 1: joint while we're doing the interview live. But he decided.
Speaker 1: He looked at and he said, you know, they're going
Speaker 1: to send me to jail for a very long time.
Speaker 1: And so he said, I wanted to dream ullification. He
Speaker 1: couldn't find a lawyer that was going to do it,
Speaker 1: and he said, I figured that there were probably going
Speaker 1: to be some people on board. I looked at public
Speaker 1: opinion and I realized that, you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: more than half the people were not really on board
Speaker 1: with marijuana prohibition in New Jersey. So I thought I
Speaker 1: could get some sympathy about that, and tried Duray nullification
Speaker 1: in his first It is explicitly mentioned in the New
Speaker 1: Jersey Constitution that a jury's duty is to judge, not
Speaker 1: just to facts the case, but whether or not they
Speaker 1: agree with the law and the punishment. And so he
Speaker 1: put that he had that printed, and he put it
Speaker 1: up on the desk there where he was sitting, and
Speaker 1: the judge said, take that down right now. I'm going
Speaker 1: to put you in jail for contempt. And so he
Speaker 1: put it down, but he said the jury had already
Speaker 1: seen it, and they voted seven to twelve to quit him.
Speaker 1: So it was a hung jury. And so then the
Speaker 1: district attorney came after him a second time, and in
Speaker 1: the second trial he did the same thing, but that
Speaker 1: judge let it stay up and what was in the
Speaker 1: constitution there and they quitted him twelve to nothing. So
Speaker 1: there's nothing they could do about it. And that's why
Speaker 1: I had him on to talk about during mulification. But
Speaker 1: that's a very powerful thing if it's there. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, in these politicized cases, these judges rig everything.
Speaker 1: Seen it over and over again.
Speaker 2: Oh it was. It was really goot and I've not
Speaker 2: seen it. I mean, this was my first experience. It
Speaker 2: was my first experience to be uh, you know, in
Speaker 2: trouble with the law, if you will, to be in
Speaker 2: a court of law. I had never been through anything.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was extremely ignorant as to how all of this
Speaker 2: rolls out. And boy did I get an education, you know,
Speaker 2: learned what a way to get an education. But I
Speaker 2: got an education, and actually I'm thankful for that today.
Speaker 2: But so right, so we were going on the premise,
Speaker 2: we had some there were so many levels that we
Speaker 2: were hitting as far as this is unconstitutional, this is
Speaker 2: even not when when emergency executive order that Governor Walls issued,
Speaker 2: actually the emergency executive order doesn't speak to the people
Speaker 2: directly to the people, or control over the people, or
Speaker 2: to dictate the people's lives. Emergency executive order applied to
Speaker 2: the executive branch, applied to the those that worked in
Speaker 2: the executive branch. And we proved that on paper, using
Speaker 2: the all all the resources that we needed to use,
Speaker 2: and it was ignored. It was absolutely ignored. Anything that
Speaker 2: should have caused this case to be absolutely dismissed, thrown out.
Speaker 2: They just ignored. They did not answer any of our
Speaker 2: objections or any of our facts to the situation. They
Speaker 2: didn't answer any of our documents at all.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And every again, every every level, every court was in
Speaker 2: lockstep with the with the previous court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see that with them.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you are much more familiar.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, rolling back thirty years ago, when I
Speaker 1: was involved with third party politics, I knew people who
Speaker 1: were also getting involved in third party politics, who had
Speaker 1: been to prison because there were tax protesters or because
Speaker 1: they were sovereign citizens or whatever, and they had they
Speaker 1: would talk to me about They would say, yeah, I
Speaker 1: came in, here's my case. Here's what I said to them,
Speaker 1: and I made the legal point and the judge, like
Speaker 1: scept me, said next point, we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: about that. And and I've heard that story over and
Speaker 1: over again, same thing they did to you railroading people.
Speaker 1: This is why I say people be very careful if
Speaker 1: you're going to become a tax protester or sovereign citizen,
Speaker 1: because you're not going to get a fair trial. You
Speaker 1: can be right, it can be one hundred percent right,
Speaker 1: and you're not going to get a fair trial if
Speaker 1: this is a political issue. And again I've seen it
Speaker 1: in these other things, like with Silk Road, they wanted
Speaker 1: to come after the quote unquote dark web and bitcoin
Speaker 1: and things like that. So if they've got a political agenda,
Speaker 1: and they certainly got a political agenda when it comes
Speaker 1: to the income tax stuff, they will just the word
Speaker 1: goes out. They know what they're doing, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna shut you down. Peter Schiff's father, Irwin shift
Speaker 1: I met him. He was at a convention and he was,
Speaker 1: you know, standing there like Lenny Bruce after his trials
Speaker 1: for speech and everything, and he was up on a
Speaker 1: on a box like a soapbox, and he's talking about
Speaker 1: his trial and going through the transcript and anything. So
Speaker 1: I said this, and then they just said, you know,
Speaker 1: just threw that out and all the rest of the stuff.
Speaker 1: But this is what the law says. And so I've
Speaker 1: seen that over and over again. How crooked and dishonest
Speaker 1: our courts are. And that's why the dury nullification thing
Speaker 1: is so important. But most people, uh, don't have the
Speaker 1: courage and the conviction to do what you did, which
Speaker 1: is to defy this tyranny. And that's what's necessary, because
Speaker 1: if you don't have people who are going to stand
Speaker 1: up to it again, like you said that had two
Speaker 1: hundred businesses or even more, they could have stopped this.
Speaker 1: But if it's only a couple of people, they won't
Speaker 1: hammer you.
Speaker 2: Down right exactly. And that's then that is what happened.
Speaker 2: There was a handful of us that were you know,
Speaker 2: destroyed our livelihood, our businesses were destroyed. And and I've
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to meet these other people in the state,
Speaker 2: and mostly women, by the way, because these that's who
Speaker 2: these tyrants, you know, they go after the women. They
Speaker 2: they love to I mean Attorney general. Attorney General Keith
Speaker 2: Ellison has a history of, you know, being a woman beater,
Speaker 2: that's that's what he's known for. So anyway, maybe could.
Speaker 1: Get a medal of the Olympics for that. I understand
Speaker 1: giving them away for that. There was a similar case
Speaker 1: in Dallas, for example. Clay Jenkins was the chief elected
Speaker 1: official in Dallas County. They call him Judges in Texas.
Speaker 1: And Shelley Luther you may remember her. She had a
Speaker 1: nail salon or something, and he came after her and
Speaker 1: wanted to throw her in jail, and of course some
Speaker 1: other people. I think the governor may have intervened in
Speaker 1: that particular case, Governor Rabbit. But this guy, Clay Jenkins.
Speaker 1: A couple of years prior to that, they had an
Speaker 1: illegal immigrant who had come into the country and he
Speaker 1: had ebola, and Clay Jenkins was coming in and telling everybody,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. It's no big deal. Look, you
Speaker 1: know we got football games coming up. We got Dallas
Speaker 1: and Houston are playing. Go to the football game. It's
Speaker 1: not anything to worry about. We got all these hospitals.
Speaker 1: They can treat you with anything. And they took this
Speaker 1: guy and I this guy did not This guy did die,
Speaker 1: and he got two nurses sick. They had Fauci come
Speaker 1: in Francis Collins come in, everybody saying, oh, it's great,
Speaker 1: it's no problem. But then when Kelley Luther and this
Speaker 1: is you know, Bolo was serious and they killed that guy,
Speaker 1: Shelley Luther says, I'm not going to shut down. And
Speaker 1: the same guy who was telling everybody go ahead and
Speaker 1: do everything comes after her and I'm going to put
Speaker 1: her in jail. I mean, it's amazing how inconsistent and
Speaker 1: hypocritical they are and how they will focus this. It
Speaker 1: was totally political. It was psychological what they were doing. Now,
Speaker 1: did they put you in jail? They did put you
Speaker 1: in jail? Right?
Speaker 2: They sure did put me in jail, my first time
Speaker 2: ever in jail, hopefully the last.
Speaker 1: And it was ninety days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I was sentenced to the full the maximum penalty,
Speaker 2: and as the jury found me guilty on all I
Speaker 2: believe it was six charge, six charges, so right, it was,
Speaker 2: they sentenced me to ninety I served sixty and it was.
Speaker 2: It was quite the experience, the whole thing, the whole
Speaker 2: thing was quite the experience. Hopefully never to have to
Speaker 2: repeat it again. But here we are.
Speaker 1: And was it local or was it state? You mentioned
Speaker 1: Keith Elson, So it is just a state prosecution where
Speaker 1: they came after you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was a state. But of course now
Speaker 2: in the criminal case cases, they had to get somebody
Speaker 2: in the county or city to prosecute. The state could
Speaker 2: not prosecute me on the criminal charges directly, so they
Speaker 2: had to prosecute. They ended up I believe that the
Speaker 2: county attorney, he did not take the case. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he refused. I don't know any of the
Speaker 2: details there. I could probably submit a forhoy and find out,
Speaker 2: but I have not done that. It was the prosecutor
Speaker 2: ended up being the city attorney of Albert Lee, Minnesota.
Speaker 2: And Albert Lee just you know here we've raised our
Speaker 2: family in the area for at that point, for about
Speaker 2: thirty years whatever. It was big family. All of our
Speaker 2: children lived in the area at that time, almost all
Speaker 2: of them. We had another business, which was my husband's
Speaker 2: company that we had built thirty year business, and but
Speaker 2: that was right there in Albert Lee. And yet I
Speaker 2: was treated I was treated as an actual criminal. I had,
Speaker 2: you know, we had churched in the area. I had
Speaker 2: volunteered and worked in children's ministries for decades. So you
Speaker 2: put all this together and then the city just you know,
Speaker 2: uh allows you to be prosecuted and persecuted. It was
Speaker 2: shameful for Albert Lee to allow this. They didn't have
Speaker 2: to allow it, but nobody stood up. I had conversations
Speaker 2: my husband, I had conversations with the sheriff at the time,
Speaker 2: with the chief of police. We'd invite them in, sit
Speaker 2: down and have a cup of coffee in our restaurant,
Speaker 2: and they were there. They were with me. They were
Speaker 2: with me until push came to shove, and then they
Speaker 2: hands off. They didn't want to have anything to do
Speaker 2: with me because the judge got involved and the judge
Speaker 2: signed for signed the arrest warm and the judge was
Speaker 2: prosecuting and persecuting. And you're right, David, it was a sham.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was a sham. And my heart goes
Speaker 2: out to all those other folks that have been through
Speaker 2: these types of situations, and I know some have been
Speaker 2: through a lot worse. You know, mine was a ninety
Speaker 2: day sentence you mentioned, you know prison sentences that are
Speaker 2: years years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no no. It's interesting that Shelley Luther's
Speaker 1: case and they tried to send her to jail, but
Speaker 1: they didn't send her to jail, but it made national news.
Speaker 1: You went to jail, and it didn't make national news.
Speaker 1: And I guess it's because it's coming from Minnesota, and well, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: can you know? But you know, I tell people all
Speaker 1: the time, focus on what is happening at the local level,
Speaker 1: because the people at the local level can make it
Speaker 1: better or they can make it worse. We know what
Speaker 1: the Washington agenda is. We need to pay attention to
Speaker 1: what Trump did, what Biden did, and we need to
Speaker 1: understand what they did and understand they're not going to
Speaker 1: change anything about it, and that it made a big
Speaker 1: difference depending on your life locality, the local people that
Speaker 1: were there, the state people that were there, and so again,
Speaker 1: in your situation, the best thing to do is to
Speaker 1: just get out of Minnesota because it's so hopelessly corrupt
Speaker 1: and slavish. And you now live in I think it
Speaker 1: is Wisconsin, Is that right?
Speaker 2: Iowa? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh, Iowa, Okay, Iowa. So we've stayed, we've stayed.
Speaker 2: We've stayed fairly close. We have because of all, most
Speaker 2: all of our children are in southern Minnesota and northern Iowa,
Speaker 2: so well, a lot.
Speaker 1: More conservative in Iowa that's for sure.
Speaker 2: That is for sure. Yeah, so Iowa still needs a
Speaker 2: lot of work, just probably like about every other state
Speaker 2: in the Union. But no, this is a better place
Speaker 2: to be in Iowa. It took us, It took us
Speaker 2: quite a while to say, okay, we need to be
Speaker 2: out of the state. I think the last straw for us,
Speaker 2: the convincing situation event. Let's call it an event because
Speaker 2: it was an event that took place, was when a
Speaker 2: certain law enforcements showed up at our door unannounced, and
Speaker 2: you know, continue to I really can't talk about that
Speaker 2: yet because it's still under investigation, has been for way
Speaker 2: too long. But let's just put it this way. We
Speaker 2: know when they want you to shut up, when they
Speaker 2: want you to get out, they know they have ways,
Speaker 2: they have ways, And so persecution continued. After I got
Speaker 2: out of jail, I immediately hit the ground running and
Speaker 2: campaigned for state Senate. And so obviously the state's saying, okay,
Speaker 2: we didn't get her to shut up by putting her
Speaker 2: in jail here for sixty days, so now we're going
Speaker 2: to use other means to come after her and her
Speaker 2: family and absolutely bogus and this is all a lot
Speaker 2: of it was perpetuated on the local level. I hate
Speaker 2: to say new sheriff at that time, and that more persecution.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to call it happened against us, and
Speaker 2: I what do you do? What do you do when
Speaker 2: you have when you have elected public servants that are
Speaker 2: not doing their duty to the people, protecting the people,
Speaker 2: guarding the people, upholding their constitution, their constitutionally protected God
Speaker 2: given rights. That's their duty, and they're not They're not
Speaker 2: performing their duties any longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean about, you know,
Speaker 1: having the law enforcement show up and kind of have
Speaker 1: a show of strength. We had a situation with that.
Speaker 1: We had one of our particular locations. We'd had some
Speaker 1: video stores and so people would pull up and double
Speaker 1: park and run in and hand us the videotape sometimes,
Speaker 1: and we did have a drop box that we could
Speaker 1: do is but you know, if they're doing that, we
Speaker 1: would just take that from them. Well, some guy decided,
Speaker 1: one of the police officers decided he's going to get
Speaker 1: a bunch of tickets, so he parked on our parking lot.
Speaker 1: Every time somebody would do that, he'd pull up behind
Speaker 1: him and give him a parking ticket and it's like,
Speaker 1: what's going on with this? After you did it two
Speaker 1: or three times, I went out there and while he
Speaker 1: was giving them a ticket, I said, how much is
Speaker 1: that ticket going to be? All right, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you more than that in store credits, and so
Speaker 1: I directly come and after I did that a couple
Speaker 1: of times, he went away, and then he came back
Speaker 1: with the fire department and they got a ladder truck
Speaker 1: and they parked it in the parking lot in front
Speaker 1: of our store, and the fireman started taking the police
Speaker 1: officers up in the ladder truck. And we had customers
Speaker 1: who are coming in and saying, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: And say, well, let me tell you about this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know what that's like. You know they will do
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, And so my heart really goes
Speaker 1: out to you with that. Tell me about did anybody
Speaker 1: else go to jail other than you.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. No, as far as I know,
Speaker 2: I'm the only one that received criminal charges. And a
Speaker 2: good friend of mine who also did a similar thing,
Speaker 2: had this state coming against her. She lives in a
Speaker 2: town quite north and west of where I live, in
Speaker 2: the southern part of the state. Or lived, and their
Speaker 2: town is too small for a police department. They do
Speaker 2: have a sheriff's office that governs their town and or
Speaker 2: protects their town supposedly, And actually I think her sheriff
Speaker 2: was a pretty good sheriff. He came to her one
Speaker 2: day and said, you know, I got the state got
Speaker 2: ahold of me, and they've asked me to prosecute you.
Speaker 2: I've told them no, I will not execute you.
Speaker 1: Good for him, Yeah, yeah, she received.
Speaker 2: Oh but you know, I got to tell you this,
Speaker 2: David was a real interesting story. You can you can
Speaker 2: look it up. Larveda mcfarcar. She so this is just
Speaker 2: an interesting point to Larvita is a colored woman and
Speaker 2: an amazing gal she is, and our attorney general is
Speaker 2: also colored. And our attorney general made the statement, it's
Speaker 2: it's in the press something to the effect of that
Speaker 2: he was going to send her to a work farm
Speaker 2: if she didn't obey.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, And we're think you were scratching our heads thinking
Speaker 2: what in the world, Well, if LA law happened, if.
Speaker 1: La LA wins and ten walls wins, Keith Olson's probably
Speaker 1: going to get some attorney general or something of the US.
Speaker 1: I mean That's a frightening idea, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, what about the churches? Just at the beginning
Speaker 1: that Walls did not shut down the strip clubs. If
Speaker 1: they shut down the churches, how did that play out?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, as far as I understand in my local area,
Speaker 2: most of the churches shut down. They consented.
Speaker 1: And when did he let them open up again? You know?
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, that's a good question. I'm sorry. I cannot
Speaker 2: give you the date on that, or it must have
Speaker 2: been some time. I'm thinking it was in the fall
Speaker 2: or during that November that second shutdown that he I
Speaker 2: think it was around that time, a little before that time,
Speaker 2: and then it wasn't it after the first of the year.
Speaker 2: I think maybe in twenty twenty two that he kind
Speaker 2: of cleared everybody to open up again. But please don't
Speaker 2: quote me on that. I apologize. Yeah, yeah, my memory.
Speaker 2: I think I've tried to stuff some things away because
Speaker 2: they're is so very unpleasant. And as we're talking and interviewing,
Speaker 2: and you know, because of this VP fix being Walls,
Speaker 2: it's all really starting to kind of come back and
Speaker 2: talking about it is good. So sharing the story is
Speaker 2: an important story to share, and if we.
Speaker 1: Look at it, you know, we had a similar situation
Speaker 1: in Vegas. They would let the casinos open up, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let the churches open up. So he had some
Speaker 1: people go in there and hold a church service inside
Speaker 1: of the casino to show the absurdity of that, and
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court signed on to that as well. The
Speaker 1: US Supreme Court absolutely insane. I remember the spring of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, after a couple of weeks of this stuff
Speaker 1: or whatever, there was a guy that I interviewed out
Speaker 1: of Illinois, and of course Illinois very Pritzker, very dictatorial,
Speaker 1: just like Walls. But he had a small church in
Speaker 1: a small town and he never closed it. And the
Speaker 1: sheriff that was there was a member of that church.
Speaker 1: And so the governor was making threatening gestures and statements
Speaker 1: about all this kind of stuff and the sheriff, as
Speaker 1: you had stories coming back from all over the country
Speaker 1: about some police departments showing up and taking taking down
Speaker 1: the license plate numbers of people who had violated the
Speaker 1: orders and gone to church and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: The sheriff was there at their church and with his
Speaker 1: deputies surrounding the church to protect them. From the state police.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I tell people that story, because again,
Speaker 1: even in a situation like Illinois, kind of a worst
Speaker 1: case state scenario, you can still have some good local
Speaker 1: officials and people you can make a difference. Not at
Speaker 1: the federal level the bipartisan agreement about all this stuff
Speaker 1: and they've worked this thing up, but at the local level,
Speaker 1: you can make some things better if you get the
Speaker 1: right people there. It's very important.
Speaker 2: That's right. That's right. And you know, we did our
Speaker 2: very best, meaning myself, my family, supporters, other people who
Speaker 2: really cared the current. The sheriff at the time was
Speaker 2: Sheriff cry Tag, and we did our best to inform
Speaker 2: him and educate him. And I mean that with all respect.
Speaker 2: I'm not belittling him by saying that he told me
Speaker 2: to my face when we were talking about the Constitution
Speaker 2: that he says, you know, I know the First and
Speaker 2: Second Amendment, but I really don't know the rest of
Speaker 2: the Constitution well at all. And we thought that he
Speaker 2: should probably understand the rest of the Constitution, and he
Speaker 2: should understand the First and Second Amendment a little better.
Speaker 2: Somebody offered an all expense paid a trip to sheriff
Speaker 2: MAXs Sheriff seminar. I believe those were going on in
Speaker 2: Texas at the time, like a two or three day
Speaker 2: seminar for these sheriffs, educating them in the constitution and
Speaker 2: how to protect the people that you're serving, etc. He
Speaker 2: denied that he turned it down. We also tube the
Speaker 2: different parties handed him as Sheriff Max booklet or book
Speaker 2: on what every sheriff should know. And yet when push
Speaker 2: came to shove, my sheriff was not there for me.
Speaker 2: He was not there to protect me. So that was
Speaker 2: really unfortunate, very sad to see. So, yeah, you're right, I.
Speaker 1: Believe there are Yeah, it's right. It's important that we know,
Speaker 1: you know, when these elections are coming up, these local elections,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of get a scope as to where
Speaker 1: your sheriff is on that. I think that's interesting. His
Speaker 1: name was fright Tag, which like Friday, is like a dragnet.
Speaker 1: You know, my partner. Here's my partner, Friday, you know,
Speaker 1: fright Tag. But there's another good resource out there as
Speaker 1: well as Sheriff MAC and a Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace
Speaker 1: Officers Association. Of course you can support that with being
Speaker 1: a part of the POSSE. You don't have to be
Speaker 1: somebody who works in law enforcement. You can support that
Speaker 1: effort as a POSSE member. Also, Mattrohela has a great
Speaker 1: book that has been very effective, short book but packed
Speaker 1: very easy read a lot of information is called Doctrine
Speaker 1: of the Lesser Magistrate, and it takes it from a
Speaker 1: historical perspective, and that's also something that has been known
Speaker 1: to open the eyes of people who are in law enforcement.
Speaker 1: So a couple of good resources there. Well, it sounds
Speaker 1: like you really know your stuff, and thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking a stand on that. If people would
Speaker 1: have stood up it would not have happened. And when
Speaker 1: people finally just started quietly walking away and not complying,
Speaker 1: that's when it ended. And it hasn't officially ended because
Speaker 1: we haven't taken away any of these usurped powers and
Speaker 1: we haven't seen anybody pay any price for any of this.
Speaker 1: None of the people from the sheriffs up to Fauci
Speaker 1: or either Trump or Biden, nobody has paid a penalty
Speaker 1: for any of this stuff. And that's why it's going
Speaker 1: to happen again, and hopefully this next time when it
Speaker 1: happens again, people aren't going to quietly and sheepishly go
Speaker 1: along with it. They will resist it, and they'll resist
Speaker 1: it in sufficient numbers to stop it. But thank you
Speaker 1: for inning alone, essentially against this stuff. It's a horrific
Speaker 1: thing your prison, as you point out, when you were
Speaker 1: in prison, Tell people what you missed when you were
Speaker 1: in prison? One of those?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. I missed Christmas with my family,
Speaker 2: the birth of one of my granddaughters. I was supposed
Speaker 2: to be there in attendance. I missed that. I missed
Speaker 2: my wedding anniversary, as well as a host of other
Speaker 2: you know, events of life happenings. But yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a tough time. I'll tell you what though, David, the Lord,
Speaker 2: the Lord saw me through good good.
Speaker 1: Did they make you wear a mask in prison? Things
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: Yes they did, Yes they did. Oh man, I decided
Speaker 2: not to fight that even I'd never worn, you know,
Speaker 2: a mask outside of prison than other than court, because
Speaker 2: they required actually a face shield is what they let
Speaker 2: me get away with in prison, or excuse me, in court.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was the whole thing so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It is it just all the Simon says, nonsense, a joke,
Speaker 1: and it was a joke to start with, I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry that happened to you. But now you're in Iowa
Speaker 1: and have you started I think you've started another business?
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Well not no, Actually we are retired.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, you're retired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're retired at least for at least for
Speaker 2: the time being.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for what you did. And again,
Speaker 1: if we'd had more people like you, this charade would
Speaker 1: have not gone on. It would have ended right away. People.
Speaker 1: If you don't stand up, they're going to walk all
Speaker 1: over you. It's just that simple. They walked all over
Speaker 1: us through those period of time, and now we're cheering
Speaker 1: those people. And now we're supposed to believe that if
Speaker 1: we don't get the idiot A or idiot B, America
Speaker 1: is over. I'm sorry America ended in twenty twenty. You
Speaker 1: just haven't noticed it. For sharing, for these people.
Speaker 2: It's time that everybody catches up, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much for what you did,
Speaker 1: and thank you for coming on. It's great talking to you.
Speaker 1: Good luck to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, David. It was a real honor. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. God blessed hearing of biased.
Speaker 1: And false snooze all too common on social media.
Speaker 3: First, unfortunately, exactly, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
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