WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:07.799 All right, we're back, and I wanted to talk to 2 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:11.439 Lisa Hanson, who was kind enough to come on and 3 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:13.759 tell us her story about what happened to her as 4 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:18.600 a small business person during the lockdown under a kind 5 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.239 of medical martial law and a governor who was one 6 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.920 of the worst tyrants there. The vice presidential candidate for 7 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:29.480 the Democrats now Tim Walls, and I want people to 8 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:33.000 remember what happened during this They want to flush this 9 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:34.840 down in the memory hole, but they want to do 10 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:36.439 that because they want to bring it back. We have 11 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:42.159 to remember what happened and say never again. Lisa is 12 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:44.359 a wife, mother, and grandmother. She married her high school 13 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:46.759 sweetheart at the young age of eighteen and never looked back. 14 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.280 She says. Lisa and her husband have eight beautiful children 15 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:51.960 and by the end of the year they will have 16 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:57.600 eighteen grandchildren. Congratulations, that's wonderful. They've owned and operated businesses 17 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:02.240 for well over thirty years. They're doing most businesses. If 18 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.480 they're going to fail, they fail within the first five years. 19 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:06.959 You've done this for thirty years. So thank you for 20 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:09.079 joining us, Lisa. I appreciate you coming on and telling 21 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:09.760 us your story. 22 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:11.920 Thank you so much. 23 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:14.239 Tell us a bit about your business. Well, thank you, 24 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:16.000 and thank you for what you're doing, and thank you 25 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:17.920 for coming on and talking to people, because it's important 26 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:19.760 we don't forget this. Tell people a little bit about 27 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:24.359 what your business was like before the so called pandemic. 28 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:29.079 Oh man, it was a thriving business. It was located 29 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.439 right in the heart of the historical downtown part of 30 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.480 Albert Lee, Minnesota, and a thriving business. I say that 31 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:38.719 because it was a well loved business, not only by 32 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:44.560 the locals of the area. But we did a specialty coffee, 33 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:49.879 We did special tea, sandwiches, pastries, specialty even I would 34 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.799 say specialty wine because we had some great selection of 35 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.480 wine and beers, and a lot of fun. We had 36 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.560 a little night life going on. We had it. We 37 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.040 just had the whole gamut of a really great vibe 38 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:06.560 and a great experience for people just to kind of 39 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.599 come in, turn it off and just sit and enjoy 40 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.080 great business. I know that it was a well loved business, 41 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.439 and I know that it is missed only because I 42 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.719 have people still stop me on the street saying, we 43 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:21.319 really miss your restaurants so great. It was kind of 44 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:23.680 always a dream of mine and my husband's and we 45 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.599 kind of modeled our business after some of the European 46 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:31.080 bistros that we have visited as we had the opportunity 47 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:33.960 to travel. So great little business, a lot of fun, 48 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:35.840 that's great, a lot of hard work, a lot of 49 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:37.000 hard work, put a lot of fun. 50 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:38.639 Now you poured a lot of work, poured a lot 51 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.479 of money into it. You knew the people that were there, 52 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.280 and that's characteristic of small mom and pop businesses. That's 53 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:44.840 the way we ran our business as well, and we 54 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:46.719 got to know the customers on a regular basis that 55 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.439 would come in and of course, you you know, were 56 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:52.080 in an area, there was a tourist area, so you 57 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.120 had a lot of people would pass through there and 58 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.759 then all of a sudden you're declared non essentral. And 59 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.360 that was one of the things that really bothered me 60 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:04.719 that happened to us. Once during a major storm, they 61 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.199 allowed Walmart's open up, but they declared us to be 62 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.240 non essential and they sent the police around to shut 63 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:14.080 us down when we opened up. And to me, one 64 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:17.439 of the key things that really bothered me about this 65 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.719 whole lockdown is how they would say that the big 66 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:23.520 Wall Street companies, the big big box companies that trade 67 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:26.560 their stock on Wall Street. They're essential, like the walmarts, 68 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.000 but all the mom and pops are non essential because 69 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:30.520 most of the mom and pops are going to be 70 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:34.680 involved in service businesses. And so they came after the restaurants, 71 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.520 and they came after the nail salons and the barbershops 72 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:38.840 and all the rest of this stuff that were in 73 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.479 service businesses and said you're non essential and we're going 74 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.919 to shut you down. They came after Main Street while 75 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.120 they protected Wall Street, and they called us non essential. 76 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:49.280 So what was it like when this all rolled out? 77 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:49.879 What happened? 78 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:55.759 And in contrast, Governor Walls shut down all those businesses 79 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:59.719 that you just mentioned. And in contrast, he allowed the 80 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.319 box stores to stay open, the liquor stores, and the 81 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:09.039 strip clubs because they were essential all of these business. 82 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.599 Churches aren't churches are not? 83 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.000 No? Oh no, He shut the churches down, He shut 84 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.560 the schools down. Yea, went on and on, and it 85 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.560 was what was it? Life course, It was shocking. You know, 86 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:22.160 we've never been through anything like this in our time 87 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:26.319 in this country, which has been from birth, so we've 88 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:30.360 never seen anything like this. It was shocking the State 89 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:34.800 of Minnesota I think took the path of you know, communism. 90 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.160 There's no doubt about that. The governor had no right 91 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:40.920 or authority, I should say, to do what he did. 92 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:45.199 But yet he did it, and he got away with it. 93 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:46.959 It still has gotten away with it. There's been no 94 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.439 accountability for that, and there should have been. There was 95 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:54.959 a lot of I believe that he has acted criminally. 96 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:58.279 The governor has acted criminally, and he should be he 97 00:04:58.319 --> 00:04:59.360 should be prosecuted. 98 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:03.079 Yeah, I agree. And the problem is that they're not 99 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.600 doing it because everybody was on board with it, you know, everybody. 100 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:07.680 It was the Democratic governors, and yet I look at 101 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.000 what happened with the wine in Ohio. He is one 102 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.240 of the worst ones as well. He's a Republican. And 103 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.240 they had practiced this for twenty years. The first one 104 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.199 of these Germ Games two months before nine to eleven. 105 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.240 Then they put out the model state legislation for the 106 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.040 states to enact to give themselves the power because they 107 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:25.639 didn't want to directly order it from Washington. Instead, they 108 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.319 you know, Trump financed the money. And when people were 109 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.439 really up against it and had lost jobs and lost 110 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.079 were losing businesses and everything, he tries to paper it 111 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.600 over and assuage their anger by putting out the PPP 112 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:39.920 and the Cares Act. How did that help? Did that 113 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:40.560 help you out? 114 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:44.519 We were hanging on by a thread and we had 115 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:50.480 really you know, used up all of our resources as owners. 116 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.000 And the second shutdown came along, and the first shutdown 117 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.759 happened in March twenty twenty. Then the second shutdown came 118 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.399 around twenty twenty. Now keep in mind we were never 119 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:07.360 fully opened by the governor's governor Dictator Walls's word, so 120 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:10.759 and all the while from March all the way up 121 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:15.000 to November of the second full shutdown on these particular 122 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:21.839 non essential businesses, we we we realized this is not right. 123 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.959 He does not have the authority. As we started digging 124 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.959 in and learning because David, unlike you, I have just 125 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:33.600 started learning and becoming aware of my eyes opening and 126 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.600 really being opened in the last you know, four years 127 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:41.079 or so and shocking experience, trying to wrap our heads 128 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.000 around everything that we believed, almost everything that we believed 129 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:49.519 was a lie. So that it just your eyes continue 130 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:53.040 to be open. And at the time, what do you 131 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:54.720 do with that? You know, when we were going through 132 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.360 this in twenty twenty, we we did consent because we 133 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:01.399 didn't know what to do, to be honest with you, 134 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:06.839 until the second full shutdown came for dine in restaurants 135 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.360 being one of the businesses that was shut down. Ours 136 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.720 was a ninety ninety five percent dining in company, and 137 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:14.879 there's no way that we could have survived. We didn't 138 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:17.439 really survive. We were hanging on by a thread, and 139 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.040 not even really that. I told my husband, I said, 140 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.399 if he does this again, if he goes, if he 141 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.480 shuts us down completely, if he shuts us down at 142 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.720 all any more than what we already are, and we're 143 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.319 almost done anyway, We're almost out of business because we've 144 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:34.399 exhausted everything we've got right, right, you know how that works. 145 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.399 You've got to have revenue coming in to be able 146 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:41.759 to pay your bills, pay your employees, and advance the business. Right, 147 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:42.759 So let's. 148 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:46.560 Talk about how it rolled out, you know, because do 149 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:51.480 he roll us out kind of gradually and iteratively like 150 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.240 any of this? So how did he roll Yeah? 151 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.399 It was it was two weeks shut down, one hundred percent. 152 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.160 No nobody can come in your business right two weeks. 153 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.079 But the two weeks into two and one half months. Wow, 154 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.040 And then he back started backing off. Okay, you can 155 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.399 be seventy five percent open. Okay, you can be fifty 156 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:13.920 percent open, twenty five percent, and then when November came, 157 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.399 then it was full board. You know, you're one hundred 158 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:22.079 percent shut down. Again. You can do take out, carry 159 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.319 out delivery, right, all of those, but you can't do 160 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.920 any dye ins. And again for most businesses, and none 161 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:28.959 of it made any sense. 162 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.639 No, no, I didn't, not even with their you know, 163 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:36.679 if you completely buy into their pandemic narrative, their virus 164 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:39.600 narratives or ology, none of it made any sense indidally. 165 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.279 And you know, when you talk about a business like 166 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.919 a restaurant, and it was similar to the type of 167 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.360 business we were in. You know that most of your 168 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.840 business is going to happen like Friday nights and Saturdays 169 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:52.639 and stuff like that. So if they cut you down 170 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.080 to fifty percent at your peak hours, you still can't 171 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:59.960 cover what is happening. You know, it isn't evenly distributed. 172 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.919 It's all clumped into you know, into the weekends and 173 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:06.240 things like that. So if they limit your maximum capacity, 174 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.200 they can put you out of business pretty easily, right, 175 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:09.879 and think about it. 176 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:14.639 Back in November of twenty twenty, pretty much the rest 177 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:18.120 of the country was opened up and Walls was still 178 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.480 shutting us down. Obviously, there were other places that were 179 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:25.960 still dealing with shutdowns as well lockdowns, but Minnesota, we 180 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.240 were completely done with this, and I told my husband, 181 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.240 I said, we have two choices. We can we either 182 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:36.480 Choice number one would be to shut down, close our business. 183 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:42.440 Excuse me for us to close our dream business and 184 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:47.080 to walk away done and figure out how to pay 185 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:48.399 off the debt. You know, even though we are not 186 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.159 turning any revenue, so close our doors forever. Or Option 187 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.919 number two was to open up fully, because why not 188 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:58.000 we have that right. There was no law. I did 189 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.600 not violate any laws. I'm a law by I'm a 190 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:04.159 law biding citizen, a law biding grammar, and so no 191 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:08.759 laws were broken, and so we decided we took option 192 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.200 number two. With the help of an organization in Minnesota 193 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.360 that put together a plan of action. I thought it 194 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.240 was a very solid plan. They invited all businesses that 195 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.200 wanted you to open up together on the same day. 196 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.600 I thought it was a great plan. Here's what you know. 197 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.279 They gave suggestions on how this would how we would 198 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:29.720 orchestrate this and if you get the call from the state, 199 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:33.600 which you likely will, you're going to here. Here's what 200 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:38.600 we suggest that you say. And so anyway, the plan 201 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:43.399 rolled out. We got on board. I forget the exact date, December. 202 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.320 I apologize. 203 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:49.440 What other businesses o? Their businesses join with you? Just? Good? Good? 204 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:49.879 Did they? 205 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:50.519 Now? 206 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:52.919 Yeah? Tell us what happened then? When when you opened up? 207 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:54.279 Right? 208 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:54.720 Right? 209 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.679 So just a bit of a backstory, there was about 210 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.879 two hundred other businesses that and yeah, we want to 211 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.399 do this. They shouldn't been two thousand usually, but there 212 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:08.639 was two hundred. We all opened up. It was it 213 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:12.879 was marketed, for lack of a better term, that we 214 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.440 were opening. So people, if you were in favor of 215 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.960 supporting these businesses here they are, go support them, go 216 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.799 patronize them. Which it was amazing. We had so much 217 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.200 support coming from all over the state and other states 218 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.639 as well there to support us on that first day 219 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.679 and that whole week after and then it just continued. 220 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:36.240 So what happened though, David and this was to fail. 221 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:40.000 Two hundred businesses, approximately two hundred Dive or take signed 222 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.480 up to get on board about within twenty four hours 223 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.799 after there were only ten of us that were still open. 224 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.120 Everybody else had consented to close down. 225 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:52.679 Really, oh, people aren't willing to stand up for their freedom, 226 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.240 Like you said, you should have been two thousand or more, 227 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.879 twenty thousand or whatever. And you know, of the ones 228 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.480 who sign up, only a five percent hung with it. 229 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:01.240 That's amazing. 230 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.399 It is amazing and very sad. It was very so 231 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.759 because now basically, and I know that it wasn't. You know, again, 232 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:11.480 I have some grace for these folks and for people 233 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.360 that don't understand, because I was really forced into a 234 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:20.919 position to become educated and understand more than what I 235 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.519 had ever anticipated. And it just my education continues. 236 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:24.720 You know. 237 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.120 Here we are four years later and I'm still learning. 238 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.120 So so we we there was only about ten of 239 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.720 us left open, and uh, you know, the state can 240 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.159 handle that. The state can come. If it had been 241 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.240 two hundred, the state wouldn't have been able to handle. 242 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:42.080 And that was the whole, you know, point of doing this, 243 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:46.360 but show the state we were not we're not consenting 244 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:51.480 to their tyrannical orders which carry no weight of law. 245 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.360 So unfortunately said we either hang together or we hang separately. 246 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:59.000 The wouldn't hang together. You all hung separately. So what 247 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:00.519 what did they do when they came after you? 248 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.120 Yeah, when they came after me, of course, every they 249 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.159 used every resource they have as the state, and of 250 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.600 course it's the state. They have a lot of resources, 251 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.600 no end to their resources. So I was issued to 252 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.639 cease and desist immediately, within twenty four hours, I believe 253 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.480 it was. And of course I did not cease and desist. 254 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.039 And then they started throwing lawsuits at me. So I 255 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.360 believe I had in total five civil cases against me 256 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:25.120 and two criminal cases against me. 257 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:29.519 Wow. Yeah, And so then what happened with these cases? 258 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.879 So we went to court and we fought everything. We 259 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.000 appealed everything all the way up to the suprevior I 260 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.960 shouldn't say everything, but most of these cases, most of 261 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:43.559 the decisions we objected. There was no due process for myself. 262 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:48.200 That was completely denied through and through. I don't even 263 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.519 think these judicials, of these judges actually even read my 264 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:55.840 document all the way through, or the countless documents you 265 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:59.559 know that I submitted to the court. So what happened 266 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.080 long story short is we went to trial on one 267 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:08.240 of the criminal cases in twenty twenty one, and yes 268 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:13.480 it was twenty twenty one December and I went in 269 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:18.960 front of a jury of six pre trial determined a 270 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:24.039 very terrible thing. That is again, I can't believe it still, 271 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.080 I just can't believe in an American court of law, 272 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.240 it was determined that I would not be allowed to 273 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:33.120 present my defense. My defense being constitutional, statutory, and case law, 274 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.000 all relevant of course to the case, all relevant to 275 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.879 this mandate that the governor had considered, and a lot 276 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.600 of people considered law, it was not law. 277 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:45.759 So we. 278 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:52.279 Thought that we objected to that stipulation, of course, because 279 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.960 I should have been allowed to present my defense to 280 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.519 the jury. But it was, and of course we objected 281 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.080 to that decision that the which had made didn't matter. 282 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.600 The judges in lockstep with all the other judges that 283 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.440 I faced, all the way up to the Supreme Court, 284 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:08.039 they're all in this together. They're in it with the 285 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:11.240 governor and attorney Let's not forget Attorney General Keith Ellison. 286 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.399 Oh yeah, a really wicked evil man. 287 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:18.000 Yeah, yeah, sorrow sorrows guy. He's one of the state 288 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:20.879 attorneys general that Soros is able to get into office. 289 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:24.759 Oh yeah, right right, So they say you can't can't 290 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.600 argue your case, is going to shut it I've seen that, 291 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.600 by the way, and politicized cases. I've seen it over 292 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:33.000 and over again, whether it's ross Ulbrick with Silk Road, 293 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.799 whether it was the Bundy's, and I could go on 294 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.519 and on and on. Marty God felt they will shut down. 295 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:44.279 You're presenting a defense. Did you have legal counsel? He 296 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:46.879 had a lawyer representing you or do you represent yourself? 297 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:51.679 I handled my own case as ce Jarius or did 298 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:52.879 you you want to say it? 299 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.600 Yeah? Did you what about Jerry nullification? Do they have 300 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.440 that on the books or in the constitution or did 301 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.720 you look at that? And they do and. 302 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.840 We did look at it, and we decided not to 303 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:04.600 go that route. 304 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:09.559 I have a case somebody interviewed about a decade ago. 305 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.960 It called himself New Jersey weed Man, and he was 306 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.799 a heavy marijuana user and he had a lot of it, 307 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:20.919 and so when they came after him, they were going 308 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:22.879 to get him for trafficking. It's like, no, man, I 309 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.840 just use all that myself for my own personal use. 310 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.799 And when I interviewed him later on as we're doing 311 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.080 the interview, I believe it because he lights up a 312 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.519 joint while we're doing the interview live. But he decided. 313 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:36.440 He looked at and he said, you know, they're going 314 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.159 to send me to jail for a very long time. 315 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.279 And so he said, I wanted to dream ullification. He 316 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:41.919 couldn't find a lawyer that was going to do it, 317 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.960 and he said, I figured that there were probably going 318 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.840 to be some people on board. I looked at public 319 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.720 opinion and I realized that, you know, a little bit 320 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:52.879 more than half the people were not really on board 321 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.240 with marijuana prohibition in New Jersey. So I thought I 322 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.000 could get some sympathy about that, and tried Duray nullification 323 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:03.720 in his first It is explicitly mentioned in the New 324 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:09.279 Jersey Constitution that a jury's duty is to judge, not 325 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:11.559 just to facts the case, but whether or not they 326 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.079 agree with the law and the punishment. And so he 327 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:15.880 put that he had that printed, and he put it 328 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.440 up on the desk there where he was sitting, and 329 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.119 the judge said, take that down right now. I'm going 330 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.240 to put you in jail for contempt. And so he 331 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:25.920 put it down, but he said the jury had already 332 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:28.720 seen it, and they voted seven to twelve to quit him. 333 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.400 So it was a hung jury. And so then the 334 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.519 district attorney came after him a second time, and in 335 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.200 the second trial he did the same thing, but that 336 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.880 judge let it stay up and what was in the 337 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.359 constitution there and they quitted him twelve to nothing. So 338 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:49.079 there's nothing they could do about it. And that's why 339 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.680 I had him on to talk about during mulification. But 340 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.400 that's a very powerful thing if it's there. But again, 341 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.720 you know, in these politicized cases, these judges rig everything. 342 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.119 Seen it over and over again. 343 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:02.920 Oh it was. It was really goot and I've not 344 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.480 seen it. I mean, this was my first experience. It 345 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:08.079 was my first experience to be uh, you know, in 346 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:10.359 trouble with the law, if you will, to be in 347 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.640 a court of law. I had never been through anything. 348 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:13.319 I was. 349 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:16.480 I was extremely ignorant as to how all of this 350 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.920 rolls out. And boy did I get an education, you know, 351 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:23.000 learned what a way to get an education. But I 352 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.839 got an education, and actually I'm thankful for that today. 353 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:30.400 But so right, so we were going on the premise, 354 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:32.559 we had some there were so many levels that we 355 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.200 were hitting as far as this is unconstitutional, this is 356 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:41.480 even not when when emergency executive order that Governor Walls issued, 357 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.279 actually the emergency executive order doesn't speak to the people 358 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.160 directly to the people, or control over the people, or 359 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.519 to dictate the people's lives. Emergency executive order applied to 360 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.599 the executive branch, applied to the those that worked in 361 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:01.680 the executive branch. And we proved that on paper, using 362 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.359 the all all the resources that we needed to use, 363 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.720 and it was ignored. It was absolutely ignored. Anything that 364 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:16.319 should have caused this case to be absolutely dismissed, thrown out. 365 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:18.920 They just ignored. They did not answer any of our 366 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.559 objections or any of our facts to the situation. They 367 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:25.240 didn't answer any of our documents at all. 368 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:25.680 Wow. 369 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.400 And every again, every every level, every court was in 370 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.519 lockstep with the with the previous court. 371 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.200 Yeah, we'll see that with them. 372 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:37.839 Okay, so you are much more familiar. 373 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.000 Well, you know, rolling back thirty years ago, when I 374 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.440 was involved with third party politics, I knew people who 375 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:46.640 were also getting involved in third party politics, who had 376 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.319 been to prison because there were tax protesters or because 377 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.480 they were sovereign citizens or whatever, and they had they 378 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:54.200 would talk to me about They would say, yeah, I 379 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.359 came in, here's my case. Here's what I said to them, 380 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.359 and I made the legal point and the judge, like 381 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.920 scept me, said next point, we're not going to talk 382 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.759 about that. And and I've heard that story over and 383 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.079 over again, same thing they did to you railroading people. 384 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.480 This is why I say people be very careful if 385 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:11.799 you're going to become a tax protester or sovereign citizen, 386 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:13.680 because you're not going to get a fair trial. You 387 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:15.400 can be right, it can be one hundred percent right, 388 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:17.519 and you're not going to get a fair trial if 389 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:19.720 this is a political issue. And again I've seen it 390 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.599 in these other things, like with Silk Road, they wanted 391 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.559 to come after the quote unquote dark web and bitcoin 392 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:27.759 and things like that. So if they've got a political agenda, 393 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:29.920 and they certainly got a political agenda when it comes 394 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.920 to the income tax stuff, they will just the word 395 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.440 goes out. They know what they're doing, and they're gonna 396 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:39.839 they're gonna shut you down. Peter Schiff's father, Irwin shift 397 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.039 I met him. He was at a convention and he was, 398 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:47.599 you know, standing there like Lenny Bruce after his trials 399 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.559 for speech and everything, and he was up on a 400 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.799 on a box like a soapbox, and he's talking about 401 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:54.480