Speaker 1: And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2: They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you
walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,
thinking that you were going to surprise them, You're only
kidding yourself.
Speaker 1: We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 2: We do what we do to try to bring away
in us to this topic to be an open door
for somebody to walk through, to be able to share
their story, a listening ear, a support hold for those
who have held their own encounters with that which is
not supposed to exist.
Speaker 1: We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all aligned, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, hey, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So just to start off, if you would,
could you like briefly go over again who you are,
where you're from. For the people who are new here in.
Speaker 3: This chat, I'm your star.
Speaker 2: Yeah who.
Speaker 3: My name is Jim Peters and I live in southern
Illinois and the Shawnee National Forest. I've been down here
about six years, but Joe's been my best friend most
of my life. I used to come down from central
Illinois down here to visit all the time, and so
I really enjoyed it down here. I retired, I moved
down here and we could do our squatch and more
on a full time basis, on a part time basis,
and so yeah, we've been at this now for at
least twelve years. So I let him tell you who
he is.
Speaker 4: My name is Joe Jenkins, and I'm from southern Illinois.
I moved down here in nineteen seventy four and I
lived right right on the Ohio River in Hardin County.
And yeah, Jim started coming down. We both are retired
now are semi retired, and we got the hiking and
and we were just out hiking and camping. We've got
two hundred and eighty nine thousand acres of Shawnee National
Forest and so in our backyard, so we was taking
advantage of it. And then one night everything changed and
we've not been doing much hiking except and out of
suspicious places.
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, because you guys were telling us the last
show that you had one area or one side that
was primarily Bigfoot and then the other side was a
little on the weird side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've had some some weird for sure.
There's no doubt about that. Most of it it's been
on the big Foot side of stuff, with a little
bit of weird kind of in there, just enough to
make you a question, you know, your your thoughts on things,
because I know when we first started, we were both
adamant that this was flesh and blood creature, and you know,
it was just no doubt about it for us. We
weren't even into the anything else, into the wu side
of stuff. And you know, as you get going, uh
after a few years, and you're all of a sudden
you're you got stuff that you know you can't explain anymore.
And flesh and blood is is is still the primary,
I think, the way we believe. But there's just some
there's some odd stuff going on that doesn't it doesn't
add up with with that.
Speaker 4: We've had things happen that you just can't we just
can't explain it, not in the natural sense.
Speaker 2: Well, touch on some of that, touch on some of
the weird things that you've been experience, insane.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, yeah, sure, we don't normally tell this story
too much, but I'll venture into it.
Speaker 2: We were.
Speaker 3: Camping one night and there was three of us. We
had an older gentleman he's an ex VFRO guy with us,
and all three of us were sitting there. We had
a little fire going, and it was probably about I
don't know, midnight, twelve thirty something like that. We're just
sitting around the fire talking and all of a sudden
we hear and this is let me set this up
a little bit. This was in the fall. There was
a lot of leaf cover on the ground, okay, And
as we were sitting there, no more than probably ten
or eleven feet in front of us, you hear something
walking and it's in the leaf clutternesses and you can
hear the footfalls. You know they're thumping along, but it's
also crunching in those leaves really really loud. As ten
minute was with us, and uh so they're there, it's
going by us. And as it's going by us, I
mean it's startling because you're expecting to see this person
or whatever just walk right into you, because that's how
close it was. And uh, we immediately since we're all
sitting there and we had all our gear, so we
immediately start getting some gear out to see what it is.
And uh we turned on a recorder and it was
more of a shotgun mic mic on it, and we
had flear and we had night vision and everything plus
plus vitalize. Yeah, and we we're looking for what's in
front of us and there's nothing there and we had it.
You had it still walking by us. We all hear
it and then it turned around started walking back. We've
got that all captured on audio. But the there was
nothing when we There's nothing on the heat signature, there
was not a nothing on night vision or or the spotlight.
There was just nothing there and we're shining it right
where you're hearing it. Step back. They get us right
in front of you, I mean right in front of you,
and I mean that's that's enough for me to I
mean it was kind of raising the hair on the
back of my neck because you're truly expecting some body
just to show up. That's how it was and how
close it was. But yet you don't see nothing and
it's still.
Speaker 2: Moving well, especially with the fleer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was nothing. It was nothing.
Speaker 4: Now, we've had some coon hunters down in this area
tell us of a place where that happens to them
almost every time they go. They called the lost coon hunter.
They said, they don't even think you bang about it.
They know when they.
Speaker 3: Go up there this area that is going to start
following and walking beside them, which is weird. And it
just yeah, and this was just kind of walk walked
right by us. It's almost like it was just I
don't know, just like I said, it was just kind
of walking straight straight past us and then turned around
and walked straight back and there there was nothing there.
Speaker 2: It is creepy.
Speaker 3: It is creepy. It was. It was very creepy.
Speaker 4: When you get into the I'm I'm a Christian when
you get into the into stuff like that, you know,
I my first thing goes to mind is demonic. But
I mean you didn't have that failing that it was
anything evil and honestly, and I mean, we're just we
have all the sensation of some something heavy walking right
in front of us, but just nothing there and turn
around and come back down. And it was we had
a fence where we were at one side of the
fence and it was on the other side of the fence,
just just walking down and then turned around, walked back
and we kept the shotgun mic on it and followed
and listened to it until it just they couldn't hear
it anymore, went off and was gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was very spooky. That was probably
the weirdest thing we ever had happen, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and for that to happen to other people
as well, it does make you wonder, is this like
some kind of residual you know, paranormal type thing going on,
or is it heavy enough to be you know, something
you would consider the big thing weird. It's weird.
Speaker 3: It was one of the weird things we ever met.
And the thing was the footballs were really really heavy,
so you know, and we were already you know, into
doing researching into bigfoot and everything, and that's what we
were there prepared for. And I would have I would
have thought one was walking right up on that's how
heavy the footfalls were. And uh, I was thinking, boy,
this is coming right in on us. And you turn
on everything and there's nothing there and it felt like
it was coming right in on us. Wow. Yeah, it
was really really Uh it was weird. Yeah, very weird.
Speaker 2: It's one of those you just you know, pray for
the daylight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. That was different, but it never came back,
and we know, and from that point on it was
really kind of a normal, normal night the rest of
the night. But yeah, it was about five or probably
five or six minutes of it that was just really weird.
Speaker 2: That is so bizarre.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the weirdest thing. I mean, I don't we
don't talk about that very much because I can't explain it.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole lot in this field that cannot
be explained. So it's really okay, and I'm here for
all that possibility of paranormal stuff. So let's get into
something that we all know and we all love and
I want to share this picture. I have eleven photos
and seven pieces of audio. Let's go through the photos first.
Let's talk about that foot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's we come up on that footprint. That's where
we call site one mm hmm, and so we're looking
in that area. Anyways, I think last time we showed
a picture of net Well that came from the same area,
and that was so fresh. It still had moisture inside
the footprint. It was really really fresh.
Speaker 4: That is that was when we were new, new at this,
so we didn't know how to We didn't measure it anything.
Speaker 3: I just took my foot there and stuck it there.
Speaker 2: And what size are you? What sashoe do you wear?
Speaker 3: Els? They said? And it was about an inch maybe
an inch and a quarter into the ground. It was
deeper at the at the toe end where he kind
of pushed off than the heel for some reason. But uh,
this is another one of those things that is this
is weird because there was not another print anywhere, not
in front of it, not on the other side of it.
We scoured that place, We looked looking all over for
another print. Now, why would you find such a really
good print? And you can see the toes in that
on that one, there's every toe is in there and
you're and yet there's nothing else And honestly, there's nobody
that would have been in that area or anything else
besides us, and definitely not barefooted, not in r very
we uh, we had rattlesnakes, copper heads, water moccasins in
our area. Not to mention turkey mice. You just around feet. Yeah,
so yeah, it was really odd. So that's that's what
I would consider. Another odd thing is that there was
no other print, and that's always baffled me a little
bit on why you could just find one print instead
of a whole you know, trackway.
Speaker 2: Right, and the substrate is the same. Yeah, look, there's
no you know, one area doesn't appear that it would
be harder than the other, you know, no.
Speaker 3: And it's really weird because that whatever it was was
really pretty heavy because it's smashed down there and tore
that leaf litter off of there, and it's just it
was just really odd ground that wasn't cleaning it out.
That's it. And then at the toe area you can
kind of see where you kind of lifted his foot
up and just pulled up the substrate with it. It
was really really odd that we only found the one.
But that's it's a beautiful footprint, but it just just one.
Speaker 2: It's it's so bizarre because you see these all the time.
It's just one, but it's like it's like it's just
walking and then it's just vanishes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there's a lot of people have trackways
even you know, they'll see four or five prints in
a row and then it just stops, no reason for
it to just stop. So this is one of those
that's I would consider odd, Yes, very odd.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna show you another picture that you sent
that caught me off guard, and it's one of those
it just makes you scratch your head and go, huh,
how would this have happened? And that is this picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's uh.
Speaker 4: That was said to me by a friend of mine
that knowledge that on that uh were ender the bigfoot thing,
and uh he happened to find that in Polk County,
down in that area, and he sent me the picture.
He took a picture of it and sent it to me. Well,
we went down there and looked for it, and matter
of fact, I think we spent a couple of days
trying to find it, and then come back, got better
directions from him, spent a little bit more time talking
to him, and we went looking forward again. The second
time that we found it was actually a year later, Yeah,
it was. It was a long time later. It's definitely remote.
And that rock is a piece of sandstone. There's probably
two hundred and fifty to three hundred pounds, and that
stump that's on is seven foot tall. And so when
we did find it the next time, the rock had
been honestly had been picked up and set down in
front of.
Speaker 3: It and right at the base of the tree. Yeah,
right there. Yeah, And we have more photos we didn't send.
Speaker 4: But the way the tree is made is it kind
of set like this or that rock down here and
and that one picture, and it was just picked up
and set down that way. If you notice the rock
was setting at an angle. And then there's the front
of the tree from where that picture was took before,
and the rock had been turned and set down beside
the tree.
Speaker 3: And another thing you can't tell from the picture is
how drastic the fall of the land is around it.
It goes down flat. There's nothing flat there, and right
there in front of the tree. It's going downhill, so
it's just kind of set there. If it would have
fallen off, it rolled you know a ways. But it's
just set there and leaned up against that base of
that tree till something picked it up and set it
down there.
Speaker 4: Some someone, I don't know, something maybe maybe the same
thing that picked it up and put it up there.
Speaker 2: That forwark, I mean, yeah, if you look at the
rock from this angle, you have that that curvature, and
if you see that here it is up here, you
can see it on that one side. So again, like
you said, if it would have just fallen, it would
have not ended up like this.
Speaker 3: No. No, And this is I have to add to you.
This is a really really remote area. That's what took
us so long to even find it is it was
so far back in the middle of nowhere. We couldn't
even find it. And we know quite a bit of
the area around here. We were like, where in the
heck is this place? So we did finally find it
and the following year and it was already down on
the ground, but it was definitely odd to find that.
The road way from black Top to Gravel Road to
Creek Rock.
Speaker 2: And then to nothing, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you walk in to get to it and
uh yeah, that was that was an oddity to see
the rock that heavy on top of his own foot
stump in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, that's that's odd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like why what would you know? Because, like you said,
it's very remote, So what purpose would a person have
and with it that heavy, lifting it that high, you
would imagine how tall you'd have to be to even
get it to your chest to put it up.
Speaker 3: There, right, Yeah, I mean, honestly, the only way I
thought about this many many nights, The only way I
think a person could have done it and has they
had a bucket on a tractor, right, and then they
would have had to get the tractor in there, which
would have been a real chore, And then they would
have had to lift the bucket up and somehow get
it out of the bucket onto the stump and in
a balanced way. And you couldn't do that, I mean
you could. You'd have to have you'd have to have
men out there getting it out of the bucket, balancing in.
Speaker 4: Or whatever to put it on there. And you know,
somebody don't get hurt doing something that stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it doesn't. It doesn't even make sense. And
that tractor was would have been off balance the whole time.
It was so you know, slanted.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Pounds rock dead weight is a lot of.
Speaker 2: Weight, right, and y'all are retired law enforcement. You know
how many stupid people are out there. However, there's none
you know what I mean. You would have so much
evidence in that little forest area that there was something
that big back there moving rocks because no doubt it
would take down more trees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was in a it was very remote area.
I just can't imagine anybody getting back in there to
do something like that.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more. But that they quit were board,
We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: But it was. It was definitely interesting find.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's just it's just those weird odd things there.
I think it's this one, might be this one. This
is another weird odd thing because if you guys look
at this, it is woven in between these trees here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that picture doesn't really do a whole lot
of justice to it. But let me explain that. So
we had got called we could do a whole show
on this on this site, and I'll give you the
cliff notes version, I mean not here for it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk.
Speaker 3: We We were called to this guy's house who he
had been having activity, and he had he had talked
to a friend of ours and that friend says, hey, wy,
don't you call Jim and Joe and they would probably
come up and, you know, help you out. So he
called us and he told us the whole thing. He
had been in a deer stand a hunting and it
was still dark out and he heard something thumping behind
him walking behind him. There's a pathway back there, and
it was walking along this path and he has a
little night scope that he has when he's up in
the tree standing, you know, if he's spot in deer
early for light. And so he kind of turned around
in a stand and was watching this bigfoot walk along
the path right behind where his stand was. I mean
I say right behind, but it was probably what twenty
five thirty feet behind it, and he's watching it and
he watched it for ten minutes, and he had another
buddy in the tree stand about one hundred and fifty
yards away, and this thing let out a holler and
a loud holler, and his buddy that's in the other
tree stand that hadn't seen it. He was texting the
other the guy that called us. He's texting. He says,
are you messing with me right now? You know? Because
he scared the cred out of that kid. And he said, no,
there's this bigfoot walking around behind me. And so this
kid make a long story short, the kid. They got
down out of there, and the kid said, I'm never
hunting there again, and he called us. We went up there.
He told us another story about how he had been
having trouble in this area. It's his property. They had
been having trouble since gosh, early on. It's been a
long long time. I don't know exactly how many years,
but it's been a long time. And one of the
stories he had was he was once again getting ready
to hunt, and he didn't live on the property at
the time, so he drove the night before up to it.
He got there, like say, around eleven o'clock at night,
and he thought, well, I'll just sleep in my truck
until right before dawn, and then walked to my tree stand.
So he's on the property, sleeping in his truck, and
all of a sudden, something slams into the back side
of his truck. And it moves it like four feet
to the side. Okay, he said. He kind of woke
up and wasn't sure, disoriented what was going on, started
his truck and left and it had crushed in the
backside of his truck, pickup truck. This was a nice
truck that was lifted and nice big tires on it
and all that and got it in and I said, wow,
how do you explain that to the insurance company. He goes,
it wasn't the insurance company I was worried about. He goes, well,
till my dad, I think a bigfoot crust. He says,
are you going drugs?
Speaker 2: Are you drinking sone?
Speaker 3: Are you on drugs?
Speaker 4: I mean, So, anyway, this property and that's spot that
you're talking about there, this man owns sick owned six
hundred acres. It's been his family for eighty years, I think,
he said. And there's one section of woods down there
that's called the sapling area, is what we call it.
And so he had told us some of these stories.
So we went down there that night, and to make
make it short, we put a recorder right there in
the sapling area where we found that tree weave. That
tree is actually through five trees wo freeze in a row,
and it was bent back and forth between all of them.
Speaker 3: And if you ever, if.
Speaker 4: You get a chance, you on zoom in on that picture,
you'll see where the bark has been rubbed off trying
to shove it in there and get it in place.
Speaker 2: And that's makes thumbs.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, that took some strength. Yeah, that thing probably
about two and a half or three inches in diameter
going through there, and you could see how much it's
bent going through that. That can't happen naturally. There's just
no way it would have fallen that way. And these
little saplings that are are sticking up there that it's
woven through, they're probably what twenty five feet tall, yeah,
or more. And I.
Speaker 4: Would say myself the base of that was actually more
like three and a half four inches.
Speaker 3: It was thick, and it was just probably that's one
of the craziest things we've ever seen. Yeah, as far
as three structures are concerned, that definitely is. Because when
you're standing there looking at it and you're thinking, man,
he bent that around that whole thing, and I mean
it's just constantly bent like this. I took a video
of it where you could kind of you could kind
of see each bend in it where you know, for
each tree it went through, and it went through five
different trees. And then also in this area there was
the goda's you know, limb bent over and stuck in
the ground all over the place.
Speaker 2: And that would be that's like this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's that's in the that same area. Okay,
So because of this, we set up a recorder right
across from that area, known as the sapling area.
Speaker 4: We left it there that night. The next morning, me
and Jim went in as soon as the sun come up,
we started walking down there. We walked down and got
the recorder or walked down there. We never even got
the recorder, and we saw this structure that had been
made right there in the same area of the tree
weaf overnight overnight. Yeah, and it was a pyramid shape
teepee shape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it wasn't there the night before.
Speaker 4: I think you got a picture, Jim, Yeah, standing side.
That was made overnight. Luckily we caught it on audio.
You can hear dragging stuff through the woods, you can
hear things breaking and that being put together.
Speaker 3: We put that out right at dust the recorder right
before we walked back out of the woods. We spent
the night right up there. The next morning, like I said,
it was daybreak, the sun come up and up we
could see the trailer walk back in. We got back
in there, and that was built and this was built
right next to the tree, so that tree weave would
be right to my left and that picture just a
foot so it was right next to it, which and
it wasn't there the day before, and that was fast fall.
We went here a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: Ago, back up there again and all that's going, well,
that's still there, the TV is still there. The tree
weave was taken apart, pulled out of there.
Speaker 2: So when your opinion and it's all speculation, it's completely speculation.
Why do you think, in your opinion, do they do that.
Speaker 3: I think that was to let us know.
Speaker 4: That it knew we were there, because when we walked
in that night, when the guy told us all of
his stories, and we walked down in there, which was
probably what eighth of a mile or a quarter of
a mile back there to the sapling area. As soon
as we got into where the sapling area was, we
heard three just super distinct knocks, and I got I
looked at him, I said, you guys, realize there's three
of us standing here and we just heard these three knocks.
And I think it was just that teepee was put
up there and it's lasted a year. It was still there.
We went a few weeks ago, I said something. Most
of the other structures were gone and some of the
pagodas were gone, and.
Speaker 3: It was it was a complete you know, to me,
outside of that tepe was a completely different looking area.
I mean everything was changed. There was other structures, but
they weren't They weren't the same as we had taken
pictures of before. And we were hoping to get some
activity on that particular time, but we didn't get anything,
believed or not nothing.
Speaker 2: Now was this in the same area.
Speaker 4: This wasn't in that area that was in Harden County.
And they call these star trees. And the cool thing
about that you can't see it except for a certain
time of the day when the sun's coming down. I
have no idea why it is. I don't know if
it's just at the right angle, but you're going through
there at a certain time. And the reason I say
going through there is because it's back in the woods
from highway, right, and we drive that highway all the
time and I can drive through there twenty times in
a day never see it. But there's a certain time
when the light shines and you're looking, it's the right
spot back in there in the woods. That thing just
is the sun shine right on it. And then which
I don't know if that has anything to do with it,
but I just thought that was really cool about it.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Now, this looks like it could be a
lean to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually it is the tree that's kind of
the backbone of the thing is wide like this right, work, yeah, working,
and it's on the tree like that, the tree that standing,
and then all all these other ones are leaned up
against it kind of like that, you know, some on
this side and some on that side. And yeah, they
were all all the sticks were about the same length.
It's just that was about that that comes from.
Speaker 4: Site to We have three sites that we really we
really spent most of our time on, but that was
on site too. And you know, you'll see a photo
that Jim took of of encrypted on on that side
as well. But really one of the reasons why he
had the cameras out that he has.
Speaker 2: Is that that one?
Speaker 3: No, No, he can tell you a sorry about that one.
Speaker 4: This one where you showed the footprints off site one.
Then that footprint is what really got us to recording
in that area and looking around that area later on.
I think you had it on your last show. There
was a nest. We found a big nest.
Speaker 3: On the ground.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I remember that.
Speaker 4: Nest was in the same place that the same area,
but this was the same section of woods, and so
we're kind of looking in that area. Anyways. So I'm
running out one evening, I'm going on a golf cart
just going through there. And of course anytime i'm out,
anytime i'm out, just away from the house whatever, I
have a flirt with me and a headland and I
was just riding along with the golf cart and just
to kind.
Speaker 3: Of enjoy the evening.
Speaker 4: Looking for eye shine, you know, and not necessarily for bigfoot,
but see.
Speaker 3: Any kind of eye shine at all.
Speaker 4: You know what night you just kind of look around
and see what's in our in our area. And I'm
on a golf cart driving through there and I see
I see light off to my side, two eyes. I
had my headlamp on it was shining this way. I
turned my only headlamp that way, and it was like
somebody turned on two big flashlights.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: I turned it away again and I could see those
those big eyes. I mean they were that big around, yeah,
And it was across the field in the back, in
the edge of the woods, and it was probably four
and a half feet off the ground. The eyes were
all I could see was the eyes. I took my
headlamp and I had literally got off my golf cart,
and I'm it's watching me, and I'm watching it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I turned my headlamp towards it, you know, and if
I moved over little ways, you could tell that the
eyes was moving and watching me.
Speaker 3: These eyes were self illuminating, you know, kind of an
orange red or orange yellow color.
Speaker 4: Even when I turned my head lamp off of it,
I could still see them. They still had a glow
to them even though you know, but man, when you
turn the light on.
Speaker 3: I turned light on. That was it.
Speaker 4: I grabbed my fleer. Actually, I grabbed my camera first
and tried to take a picture and it wouldn't it
wouldn't take anything. Took my flear and I got a
all I could get was. I got a leopold clear.
The stream is like one by one and a half inches,
like a small screen. I could tell that I had
the eyes. I seen the eyes, and I took a
picture of it, and I just keep thinking. At the time,
I thought it's cougar because it's four feet off the
ground the eyes.
Speaker 3: So I thought, well, it's a cougar setting up right,
you know. And I wasn't gonna get any closer than
that exactly, and I reached around. I got a spotlight.
Speaker 4: Let me grab a spotlight, and I grabbed a spotlight,
thinking I can light this thing up and maybe get
a picture with my camera. I turned back around and
shine the spotlight down through there.
Speaker 3: There was nothing. It was gone. Still thought I had
a cougar until I took a inside and put it
on the computer. Is the second I put it on
the computer, I realized that that wasn't a It wasn't
the cougar. It was still graining. The picture that I had.
Speaker 4: It was in kind of a black and white the
filter that I was using on it. And so we
sent this off to Jesus Payan of Breaking big Foot,
and he looked at it and he enhanced it and
that's where we You can see the limbs. You can
see the limbs in front of him where he's behind it.
You can see the knuckles on its knees, uh huh.
And what it was doing is it was squatting down.
That's my opinion now that I looked at that picture.
You can see the conical head, shoulders, you can see
where the hits go out, and those fingers are on
its knees where it was squatted down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's the fascinating thing for me is you could see
every one of his fingers there on his knees as
he's as he's got his hands up like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: This is all site one.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into some audio and we're talking about
let's see because some of these are so fascinating. The
one that I was talking to you guys about before
the show, and so for you at home who were watching,
I'm gonna I'm gonna play it twice. So I'll play
the first time, then you'll come back to our pretty faces,
and then I'll hit it again because y'all are gonna
be like, uh uh, play that again. I gotta hear
it again. So we'll start with the Illinois howel.
Speaker 6: M m m.
Speaker 2: M. What was that?
Speaker 3: I think about that? How we caught that?
Speaker 4: We were in the side beside Uh, in the middle
of the night. We were out in a field actually
in the property where that you just showed the I
thought it was squatting. We was in that field before
we got into the woods. Well, that's in a valley,
and we were down on the in the field part
of it, and it was off across the highway.
Speaker 3: There's a big old mountain on the other side.
Speaker 4: And I mean it's probably about a half mile off
from where were easy. The dogs you hear at the
end of that was just right across the creek and
up the hill in a in a family's yard, I guess.
I mean, they weren't one hundred yards from us, Yeah, said,
they were just across the creek, up in the woods.
And you can hear how loud that thing was that
was coming from on top of that mountain.
Speaker 3: I mean, we can tell exactly where it's coming from. Uh,
and it was, it was. It was very very loud.
It doesn't do just as he's trying to make comparison
to the sound of the howl to the dogs. The
dogs were third yards away and this thing was probably
half a mile away, and you know it was just
as loud, and I mean it really had to be
allowed to carry that far. It was pretty awesome. It
took us completely by surprise because it had been totally
quiet that evening. We were just sitting there with we
had the cybe the side turned off, and we had
some fleers going looking. There's a creek running in the
bottoms there running around. There was timber all around those.
So we're kind of using our flare looking around down
there and at a recorder take to a lamb up
in the tree. Yeah, you know, we were just kind
of and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere,
this thing just starts blaring and we're like, wow, pretty good.
Speaker 2: Glad we got that on the record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. That was a good one. Yeah, that is.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more. But the big flip report, We'll
be right back.
Speaker 2: That is Alex said that audio hasn't had dog spooked. Well,
prepare your dog, Alex, because there's more, Babe. I'm just
trying to go through the chat and where I've missed.
Let's let's do another audio here, I'm just trying to
catch questions at the same time. Forgive me, let's listen
to this one. So this one and then the following
I will do. I'll run through them twice. If you
want me to go through the other ones twice as well,
we can, but these, for sure I do. That is
a Louisville slugger up against the tree.
Speaker 3: Well, I got a story for that. One's like too
not story for that one.
Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
Speaker 3: So I mean, if you if you go back and
you listen to that, there is some stick clutter on
the ground and you can actually hear it. Take a step,
and it breaks some branches right before it knocks the tree.
You can almost hear the crunch, crunch, crust, and then bam,
it hits the tree. And uh. I had been putting
recorders out in this area for several years, and as
of late I put them out and it it to me,
I always get this knock. That's like it's right next
to my recorder on the tree, right next to where
I put my recorder. And uh, it didn't happen for
the first several years, but as of late, it's almost like,
you know, I see your recorder. I'm gonna knock this
tree right here, right next to it. And they're always
super loud, just like that, just unbelievably loud. And it
has to be right next to the tree where my
recorder's at. And I mean it's it's really one of
the better knocks, you know, yeah, that you get when
they're that close. And it's been doing that now over
the last several years. I'll put a recorder out, never fails,
I get a I get a loud knock right next
to it.
Speaker 4: So and this area of sight too, is it's on
private property, but it's also adjoining shown in a national forest.
And a lot of times he'll get a knock on
his recorder and then you'll hear one far away here,
just you know, faintly, and then you'll hear one halfway between.
Speaker 3: And it looked like three of them answering.
Speaker 4: One another on the knox. They're multiple ones. So we've
gotten in steaveral like that in the same area. And
that's the same area that knock is where you've just
seen the fork with the sides on it.
Speaker 2: You know, let's listen to this one. This one is
this one, you guys, I have no idea, what the
hell this is? Okay, I have no idea. I am
like so excited to see what what everyone in the
chat thinks. And this one I will play twice.
Speaker 3: What is that? We wish we could tell you.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's taken from the same site site too,
and it has the mechanical sound to it.
Speaker 3: And that's not the first time we've heard of mechanical sound.
I think we discussed that on the previous show.
Speaker 4: About kind of being led around trying to find that
sound and mechanical. It wasn't exactly that, but you know,
something simple like that, Yeah, you know, very similar to that.
Speaker 3: It just it's just some kind It just sounds so
mechanical to us, but yet there's no there's nothing out
there to make that sound. Your guess is as good
as mine, and if anybody in your audience knows, let
us know, because we haven't been able to figure it
out either.
Speaker 2: Well, so you had mentioned to me that someone had
said it sounded like an elk, right, So Troy and
here said it almost sounds like an elk bugle cut
short native trackers that a historic animal, and then Chris asked,
is there an elk insight too?
Speaker 3: No, there's not. There's no elk around where, you know,
somether knowingly, we got a lot of white tailed deer,
but noelk.
Speaker 2: So and it's like you said, I mean, we hear
encounters all the time. There's this metallic sound. We don't
know where it's coming from. And Wayne's heard it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you hear the original sound, like kind
of with headphones on where it's really clear, it's it
just sounds. It just really sounds mechanical.
Speaker 3: They just did.
Speaker 4: In the middle of the night, in the middle of
the woods. I mean there's not roads going by there,
there's not even trails going through there.
Speaker 3: That's not the first time we've somebody said, yeah, it
could be an elk because we'd heard that before. Somebody said, well,
I think that sounds like an elk, and uh, you know,
that's that's fine. Maybe maybe we had a stray out
coming through and just decided to do kind of a
call there or something. I I don't know, but it
sure does sound mechanical to us.
Speaker 2: And then you know it does it almost sounds like
something starting up.
Speaker 3: You know, Yes, it's an odd sound. And then shuts off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's listen to it again. I love this down.
Let's listen to one more time. Yeah, someone's like you
just pull a pull string.
Speaker 3: It sounds like, yeah, we have no idea.
Speaker 2: It's bizarre. Now, on the last show you had, we're
talking about chatter, and you had sent me an audio
clip for chatter. Let's play that. Where is that at?
Speaker 3: That's just that's again on site too. Where where where
you heard the big loud knock and where you heard
the mechanical sound and where the the uh thing was?
It's all on that same side. And it's it's like
I said, it is this is just nothing but for us,
for miles. Okay, So it's out there in the middle
of nowhere, and I can guarantee you there's no one
else around.
Speaker 2: Because it sounds like a room full of men.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, real deep, yeah, real deep sounding. And yeah,
that was so bizarre. When you pull something like that,
it's like the disembodied voices or or something, or you
can't make out what it's saying, but you know somebody's talking. Yeah,
it's it's it's spooky to hear something like that, especially
when you know there's no one back there. And we've
we've caught several times on recorders, we've caught chatter and
it's always you can hear it. You can hear it
on the recorder. You just can't make it out. But
it sounds it sounds like vocalizations. And I mean that's
like you said, it's whatever was making that that was
coming from a very large, deep vocal. Yeah, I mean
it's it's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Richard Sturbin talken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had We've even had singing chatter where it
sounds like somebody's singing.
Speaker 2: We just had Mike on Mike Miller and if I'm
he had an audio clip because it was my favorite
out of his and it was going ooh oh, and
it was just kind of like its melodic tone, So
that correlates with with you, this does not sound like singing.
This does, however, sound like a very angry man. Let's listen,
somebody pissed it off.
Speaker 3: That sounds to me like just a huge roar, just
like a lion roar, and way back there in the background,
just like.
Speaker 4: And again that was taken that was recorded from sight too.
Again yeah, got lines.
Speaker 3: Up and I have no idea what that was, but
it just was so sounded so much like like a lion. Yeah,
like a lion, or you know, something's bad at something.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, let's listen to it one one more time,
because I really want the audience to listen, especially if
you have one of like hippons or AirPods. Listen to
the guttural.
Speaker 3: It's at the beginning of it.
Speaker 6: Guess yeah, I mean it's a whole box and no,
thank you for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's insane. You have a lot of a lot of
activity on that site.
Speaker 3: Too, huh, yeah, we have, and it's been that way
for years. Yeah. So I said, we've narrowed it down
the three sites, and we seem to be consistently getting
stuff off of those sites.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So speaking of sight too, let's go to
this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say too as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that how and it almost sounds and it must
sound sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does sound sad, doesn't It sounds like or
it's in pain or or or just alone or something
like it's calling for something.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. That sounds very sad to me.
Speaker 2: Say threehow sounds similar, just sounds so sad. You just
want to hug it and say it's okay. Tomorrow's another day.
Speaker 3: When I heard that, I didn't want to run up
and hug anything that comes from sight three.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, when we talk about in the woods,
sight three is we don't even go there very often.
But yeah, that's a deputy friend of mine. Of course,
I'm always talking to the deputy. Say, hey, listen to this.
Speaker 3: I heard this. I heard this. Well.
Speaker 4: He was telling me about where he was hunting deer
hunting at and I put me up a tree stand. Man,
I got this good spot and he's explaining to me
where it's at. And I said, oh, have you ever
heard anything like this? And I played him that on
my phone. He said yeah, I said, I said, that's
from out in that area where you're talking about. Not
the same place, but close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said. I said, have you heard heard anything
like this? And I played him a couple of knocks
and stick brakes up. He's like yeah, he said, like
sound like trees falling over back there. Stuff. He said,
I said, well, but you got to make the back
in that area. He said, I've heard that. How I
don't even know if I'm gonna go back and get
my tree stead.
Speaker 2: Friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that area is one of those areas that just
it's it's just spooky that those woods are really really odd.
You never feel comfortable when you're in them. Matter of fact,
I don't know that I've ever really felt super comfortable
in that area, and we haven't went there that often
because of that. You there, Yes, it's either watched or
this feeling of dread or doom, and you know that
you get normally you're in the woods and it's very
relaxing for us, we enjoy it, but boy, you going
there every time, for me, it's just this feeling of dread.
It's like you just want to get out of there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes you feel gross and you're like,
we gotta leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a real weird area. I don't even feel
good going in that area, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody in our audience and especially those who
have hunted, I'm sure can understand what you're saying about
that and even going into you know, you have paranormal
investigators who go into a room and it's just heavy
and it's just that we shouldn't be here, we should leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's that's kind of the feeling I got.
I don't know, what Joe gets when he goes through there.
And I mean I've driven around the area before and
I don't get that, but if you're out in it, yeah,
that area is just you know, years and years and
years ago, this was like almost like a camp area,
wasn't It was almost like a camping area where they
had you'll you'll see really old, uh like placards where
you know this it was numbered like this is campsite
number thirty five, and then you know, down the road
you might see another one. It's completely abandoned and I
know exactly why. It's because it's too eerie to even
stay in. Nobody goes there.
Speaker 2: You're definitely not spending the night, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we might again, yes, but it's you don't.
It's not somebody you don't do it very often, you
would look forward to do it. That's a that's a
bad to me. It's a bad area. Yeah, it's I
think it's pretty pretty active.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it sounds like everywhere you are is very active.
Speaker 3: The sites that we've picked out over the last twelve years,
and I mean we it took us a long time
to figure out what's where, you know, what what what
parts of the Shawnee National Forest that is around us
is active. We've got three sites that we've found, and
I will add to that, we've been called by other
people here in the area that have activity on or
close to them, which we haven't been to. We've been
through it a couple of times, but it wasn't one
of our original three areas. And now we've branched out.
We have another area because they're called and they've had
activities since nineteen eighty nine. And we have people now
telling us after doing what we've been doing, telling us stories,
and I mean, it's just not our three spots down
here southern Illinois. Like I said, Shawney National Courses two
hundred and ninety eight thousand acres or acres, and I'm
sure there's things happening all over I gets me right.
Speaker 2: Well, And that's that's what I was gonna ask. And
you guys, hear my dog. It's not big, but I swear,
and he ain't dying. He's twelve, and he's dramatic because
Carrie's not home. That's what I was gonna ask you,
is if there had ever been any anybody else to
reach out to you to say, hey, we're having some
stuff go on, are you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We just had a lady call us about three
or four months ago, and she had one sitting out
on She's in the middle of Shawnee National Force as
well too, I mean literally right on the other side
of her drive as Shawnee Unsel Forest. And as you're
going up her drive there, she was on her deck
sitting there looking down the lane and she saw something
moving and at first it was coming up the hill
and at first she could just see the top of it,
maybe air or something like that. Yeah, And as it
got closer closer to her, she realized it was a
big foot coming and she kind of said, I didn't
want to look at in the eye, so I kind
of turned my head and kind of, you know, side
eyed it. And she said, this thing was walking on
its palms and its feet, so it had its hands
down like this flat right, and it's walking like a
down low, you know, creeping up like this, red eyes,
red eyes, and it's creeping up using its palms on
the ground and kind of creeping up. And she said
when it saw her, it stopped and she kind of
sit there and it stood up and she said things
over nine foot tall. And the reason she could tell
is because it was taller than the light. She had
an out light on a tree and it was standing
right there and it was taller than that light on
the tree, and they had it nine foot and she
said it stood up, it took two steps and was
going into the woods. So, yeah, there's other people that
are having stuff in our area. And that's about twenty
minutes from here.
Speaker 2: That's crazy because it's kind of like that spider crawl, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, very much like what we thought too, very
low to the ground and on its palms and just
kind of creeping up very low to the ground.
Speaker 2: That I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that i'd be very comfortable about
it either. She wasn't either. She went inside and pulled
all her curtains, she said, and shut the door, and
and but she was she was kind of frozen. She said,
I didn't want to look at the eye, and you know,
and then when it stood up, that's when she said.
I went inside and it was this guy within twenty
feet of her.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, feet.
Speaker 3: That's crawling up there, sneaking up on you.
Speaker 2: Just in the dark too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go away. Yeah, that's bad. I wouldn't want to
go away. That's just out there last week checking the
area out again. We're going to keep an eye on that.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more but the bigfoot report. We'll be
right back.
Speaker 3: In a night or two. Out there. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: Well, if you catch a spider crawling big foot, please
let me know, because I'm snatching you and you were
coming on here. We're gonna look at it together.
Speaker 3: Actually, we did catch audio from that same area, and
this is uh yeah, I had put an audio recorder
out one night we couldn't stay, but I'd put a
recorder out. I caught some audio and uh we even
went on a a BFRO expedition and uh we did
a presentation for him, and we ask everybody if they
ever heard this sound. Before nobody'd ever heard it. They
ran it through an app that is supposed to be
able to tell you what animal sounds are what, and yeah,
it just came back unknown until nobody's been able to
tell us what that is. And we should probably sent
that to her, so maybe your audience could have heard it.
But it was really really an odd, odd sound, and
we didn't know what to make of it, but it
came from that same area where she had had the
same creeping up on her. And you know, we're talking
just months ago, but this thing came creeping up on her.
So it's very very recent.
Speaker 2: That is creepy. So she doesn't go outside after dark anymore.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, you know, honestly, you could be you know,
five feet ten feet from one of these things. I
never know they're there.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what we talked about in we'rever an hour.
But it's okay, that's what we talk about. They had
been in the woods, they did. The woods is their home.
We can go in there and they can watch us
the whole time we're there. We're never going to know
that they're there. No, we did not surprise them when
we walked in the woods. Being quiet doesn't.
Speaker 3: Matter, no, believe me. They know you're there. And that's
kind of the way we do our research is we
don't necessarily go out and holler and all that kind
of stuff. We have more success if we just go
and mind our own business and sit around and let
them kind of come into us. And we've had way
more success doing that than if we're making a lot
of noise racket through the woods or hollering or knocking
on trees or whatever. That's our experience. That doesn't mean
it's the only way to do it. It's just where
we're at that seems to work the best.
Speaker 2: But they're curious to animals. If you want to look
at them as an animal, don't come for me, whoever
watches this, If you want to look at them in
that light, it's curiosity. So if you go out there
and you're just hooting and hollering, you know, sitting around
a campfire talking, having a good time, I think they're
naturally going to be drawn, you know, because you don't
know what you're saying when you're cob blasting, you know.
I think there's an apt fun around here. I think
in some places it has its time. But a lot
of times I think if you just go and you
know you can't you be human, you be yourself. You know,
it's going to draw them in their national curiosity more
so than anything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, even to the point, like I said,
Jim's been putting those recorders out in that same spot
almost almost nightly, and they're so used to him to
the point that you know, I think they mess with
him sometimes just just you know, he's not out there
trying to mess with them. He's not. In fact, he's
got a video that he just got that's pretty crazy.
In this in in that area, it's getting the point where,
matter of fact, you got a picture of one that
in that sight too. It might be the one doing
the knocking. It's kind of cloaking there by the tree.
Speaker 2: But yeah, hold on, I think I know which one
you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Us one.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's right here, because I see it. It's
right for everybody looking at this photo. It's right underneath
this branch here, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see his conical head on top of
the branch, right above the branch. The branch is going
right across his forehead, and underneath the branch you can
see his right eye socket, his nose and his mouth
owns math and then the rest of his body going down. Uh,
he's standing in a ditch right there, about a five
foot deep ditch. And uh, that branch down to the
bottom of the ditch is eight foot so and he's
standing behind it, so he's at least eight foot And
like I said, you see the conical head right there
on top of the branch and he was he was.
This was taken in March, and it was had been
raining all morning and it was just really really gray out.
And believe it or not, this is a color picture
taken with an iPhone twelve Pro Max. It's a color picture,
but that's how great it was out. Everything just looked gray, misty.
And he was about sixty yards from where I was
at and he froze. I walked out and he froze
right there, and I just get my phone out. I
didn't even zoom in. I just took the picture because
I wanted to get it before he left.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: And he froze. I mean, he wasn't moving at all,
just to kind of stand there, just blending in. And
I don't know if you've got any hunters on here,
but sometimes if a deer is out in the woods,
you know, if it ain't moving, sometimes it's just perfectly
blended into the background. You can't see it exactly. It's
tail flips or you know, it moves, and then you go, oh, yeah, well,
that's what this was doing. It was standing there blending
so well with the background. But I should have been
able to see through that area he's blocking that he's
blocking that rest that ditch. You should have been able
to see right through there. And uh yeah, that thing
was that was big. I was about eight foot about
four feet wide.
Speaker 2: That I mean, that's that's a mess. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if he was exactly
cloaking or blending somehow, but he was blending in perfectly
to the background, but it was still I could still
see him. So and I sent it to Joe. Then
I said, Joe, what do you see here? And he's
the one that made the black circle above it. He
was saying, right there in the circle. I go, yeah, yeah,
right there. Yeah, And I've colorized it a couple of
times to see you know, sometimes in the color versions
you can see it better because it just makes the
contrast a little different.
Speaker 2: Right right. So yeah, And we've talked. We had went
on with da and Robbie Rains and we had talked
about the cloaking versus the just blending in like when
when you look at the animal kingdom, most every single
animal in the forest has the ability to camouflage, you know.
And when Robbie was on our show, he was talking
about how the polar bears blending so well, because they're white.
You know, their hair follicle is clear, so it's reflecting
the snow. So when they lay down or if they're hunting,
they'll purposely cover up their nose because they know their
nose is going to give them away. So it may
be something you know, you hear people say cloaking, and
it could be. But if you you know, speaking to
the strictly flush and blood portion of the community, they
would say it's just naturally, you know, camouflaging itself into
the background.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing about that one is it was didn't
seem to be any hair on his face at all.
The body, the body had all kinds of hair, but
his face was just skin a lighter color than the
rest of him and didn't seem to have any hair
on his face. On his head, yes, but on its
face seemed to be hairless well.
Speaker 2: And we just had Donna on this past week and
she was talking about that. She was talking about how
the one that she had seen it was, you know,
just a little hair on the face but not much
to speak of as compared to the rest of the body.
So it's it's.
Speaker 3: Crazy, Yeah, that's the way that one appeared. And if.
Speaker 4: If your listeners will, if they'll go to our page,
the Squatcher's page, if you got a link, they'll see
a video that Jim just shot two or three weeks ago.
He stepped out and his truck was back there in
that wooded area and he saw something moving around behind it.
So he got a little bit of a video which
we've got on our side, and you can might possibly
be that thing again.
Speaker 2: So you never know.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, you never know.
Speaker 3: I was letting my dog out to go to the
bathroom and my dog was like trained on it. I mean,
I'm yelling at it. So come on, go party, you know,
so I can get back inside. And the dogs right
on it, I mean not moving. So I looked at
what what's it looking at? And then there's this thing
moving around behind my truck. I thought maybe it was
sure what it was, and then I started moving to
try to catch it because it kept ducking in between
the trees. We have that video up on our Squatcher's
Facebook page.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys go check that out. I'm gonna
be yeah, you guys check that out. They have I'm
going to give you the opportunity. I'm going to get
into the questions and sure, and then I'm going to
give you the opportunity to promote the hell out of yourselves.
Speaker 3: So okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Let's see Chris Bullaylock. What type of recorders do you use?
Is there any particular brand?
Speaker 4: We use the Olympus recorders, and they're the basically the
digital recorders that Kim's gonna grab once you can see it,
I think, I think maybe it's seventy ten. But we
started out with them and we put them to the tree.
Now we shut up all the all the filters that
wants to try and cut sound to us, so we
we shut all that off.
Speaker 3: It's just recording everything. This is what they look like.
I don't know what's best.
Speaker 2: Oh. So it's just a slim little.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just very small, and it's basically just a voice recorder,
you know, run you about seventy bucks, sixty five like that,
and these things believe it or not, the record like
sixty hours. So you could leave them out for a
couple of days if you, if you wanted to. I
usually I usually pick mine up every day. Yeah, these
are just Olympus brands and we use a lot of these.
And the reason we use these is They're easy to mark.
So if I'm listening and you hear a sound, you
can just hit the mark button and then later on
you can just keep hitting that mark button. It'll go
cycle through every one of them you've marked, so it's
easy to retrieve your your marked audio. And that way
we put them in and save O our sounds. We
have hundreds of sounds. Yeah, if I'm listening and I
hear how I hit the mark button and then I
know that later when I go back and hit that button,
it'll bring that howl up.
Speaker 2: Well, that's cool because it keeps you from having to
listen to hours and hours.
Speaker 4: Yes, if you decide to order one, if anybody wants
to the company now calls themselves o M. And also
make sure you get one that has index on it.
Speaker 3: On a button. Index is the one that lets you
mark every spot. It's so much easier. That's it. They're
pretty pretty cheap awesome.
Speaker 2: Alex wants to know do you talk did you talk
to the phantom footsteps? Say hi? Who are you anything?
Speaker 3: No, but the recording you can hear us talking to
one another going what is that? What do you have?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: I think you can hear me saying, uh, you know,
I got the fleer on. There's nothing there, there's nothing there.
The third guy we were talking about was there was
in a hammock of sleep and that putstead woke him up.
Speaker 3: He said, you hear him. And they're mowing around, going
what are you guys doing? And we're going work, we're
following this thing, you know, But no, it's just talking
to one another. We were trying. I'm sure heard us
because I'm probably yelling I can't see I can't see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. M Chris wants to know if you
guys have heard the footsteps again.
Speaker 3: No, No, one time, And you know, I'll make a
little quick story out of this. One time we were
in the same spot and we had a one and
we had a guy with us. He was putting out
bacon and he had put bacon out on trees.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he took a bunch of bacon threw it out
on tree branches and as we were sitting there that night,
the big whiff of stink came in And this is
really the first time I'd ever smelt any kind of
horror bigfoot, and it was horrible, and uh, this is
in the same spot we heard the footprints. Now, we
didn't see anything that night, but the stench would have
just and it would just come in and it'd go away, Yeah,
come in and going. No wind.
Speaker 4: We even lit a lantern trying to see if there
was any wind at all.
Speaker 3: There was nothing. We went out the next day thinking
something that died. You know, there's nothing in there. So
we were getting a good whiff of him, but he
didn't make it sound. We didn't hear any footprints that night,
but yet it was close enough that the odor was
just they just knock you down. But no footprints, no
sounds like that at all. So yeah, I know, I
wish we wouldn't hear him again, but we didn't.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Erica wants to know what kind of cameras
do you use?
Speaker 4: Every picture you got, we've taken with our cell phones
because we always had that.
Speaker 3: With them, and you know, everybody, I want to make
a little point here. Everybody says, you know, you know,
why can't you get a good picture, you know with
all the technology we got. Well, my picture was sixty
yards away, it was a gray day, and this is
a color iPhone, right, take a color picture? But the
picture doesn't look color, doesn't looks black and white, and
it's just odd that, you know, I know, I understand.
Picture evidence can be kind of iffy because if it's
too good, everybody goes, that's faked. It's too good, right,
And if it's too bad, they go, well, why can't
you get a good one with the technology we got? So,
I mean, you're you're kind of damned if you do,
and damned if you don't. With the picture evident, but
I'm still going to snap the shot. And we basically
use our phones.
Speaker 4: We had people all the time comment why don't why
didn't you get closer? You know, and I always say, well,
I'm sixty eight years old for a reason. I've got
common sense.
Speaker 3: I'm if you ever see these things in real life,
they're big, don't I don't care anything about getting to
know them personally. No, you know, right when you see
it and it's in front of you and it's you know,
it looks like a you know, four by eight sheet
of plywood, that's big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, thank you. NW Native Tracker wants to know.
And this is in regards to the next picture from
the last video, which you guys can go watch their
first video and you'll see the nest. What shape was
the nest and what type of tree limbs.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even tell you what type of tree limbs
they were. We were so excited about finding it because
again this was one thing that took us a year
to find. We actually had to wait till winter time
by a drone over the area while there wasn't any
foliage in the trees are on the ground, and we
found the spots that were dark, it were round, and
then the spring we went in and we finally found
the nest. The nest was four foot tall probably on me.
It was chest high on me, and it was probably
about fourteen feet acrossed and in diameter, probably four king
feet across it.
Speaker 3: When we found it, it was it was just sticks
all woven together, but in that circle, some of.
Speaker 4: Them was two to three inches in diameter and long.
And you can zoom in on the picture and see
just how how windy they are.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's really wound together big sticks, little sticks
long like parts of trees even through there. And originally
when it was originally found, it was all green and everything.
We found it a year later and in the fall,
everything had died and it was just sticks woven together
and in the circle. Now all the greenery had died
off of it, so we gonna be really hard to tell.
I guess the trees in that area were basically all
of them are hardwoods. But yeah, it's kind of kind of
broke off. So yeah, it was a big, big a nest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can actually put the link to your
per show in the comment section of this of this
once that people can check that out. And Chris, go.
Speaker 3: Ahead, and that nest the next year, we had a
VFR lady from Missouri and wanted to come and see it.
We took her down there the next spring, and that
nest was totally destroyed, torn apart and slung everywhere you could.
You could still see the pieces of it, but it
had been just ripped apart.
Speaker 4: And that's the same spot where you showed that picture
that we had to flear, that's the nest is in
the same woods that took that picture of that creature
that was squatted down.
Speaker 2: Well, it looks like it might have fit in that nest.
It was bib. Chris wants to know do you research
what type of animals that may be in your area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do. I mean occasionally we have a
bear that will pass through our area. We don't have
bears that live in southern Illinois, mostly in Missouri, but
they kind of venture in every once in a while.
But for the most part, it's just cougar's and there dorodcasts, yeah,
that type of thing. We really don't have any any
kind of other big predator outside of a cougar in
our area that I can that I'm thinking of. We
had some wild boards, uh now that the board services
like or somebody's I'll say, somebody is let go. We haven't.
Speaker 4: We have a little bit of that, But I've lived
in most of my life, so I kind of have
an idea what you know, everybody down here all my
buddy's hunt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, stay tuned for more, but that they put for it,
we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Kind of have an idea of what's here right well,
And that's that's kind of the common theme when it's
when it's your home area. You know what lives there,
what doesn't live there, what's supposed to be there, what
is supposed to not be there. So Chris wants to
know what you run your audio through, if you run
your audio through any type of program.
Speaker 4: Yes, run through pro Tools. And I have a recording studio,
the rock recording studio had today, and I'm and Jim
have played music together for years, and so since we
already had that, you know, when we started doing the audio.
When we started we started capturing stuff, we put it
into pro Tools and clean it up best that we can.
Ye know, uh, cut out some of the stuff so
you're not having to listen to five minutes to hear
one knock.
Speaker 3: We'll cut that out. Just get the knock.
Speaker 4: Do that kind of editing and try to get it all.
The crickets may be dropped down some you know, without
signal loss. So I do use pro Tools for that
and and re Le I've kind of switched over to.
I'm not really sure I like it because it ties
me to my computer a lot.
Speaker 3: But you know these recorders that I showed earlier, you
see if they have the USB thing that pops in
and out of them, right, So if you've got a computer,
you could plug these in, at least the older versions.
You can plug that in and then run it through Audacity,
which is a free, free audio program you can get.
And then you know, you could open that file up
in Audacity and you'll see all the we're all loud
noises are and then you can just kind of go
there and listen and you know, so that's another program
that's pretty good for free programs, really good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Audacity is cool. Troy wants to know, do
you compare sang capture to sounds of non native animals
that may have escaped from someone or from somewhere.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't say that honestly, that we have compared
them to the other creatures that's not in our area.
But like that elk, that sound that you know you
think might have elk, There are no elk in our
area right If there was, we'd see it strapped to
the hood of a car down here. It wouldn't last
very long. They'd be pretty proud of it. That's very long.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: We're so far away from I mean where I live
right now, it's thirty five miles to the closest McDonald's.
Oh wow, yeah, So, I mean there's four thousand people
in this county, you know, other animals and stuff like so,
so maybe escape in a zoo or something like that.
We don't have me in that round here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like in the holler.
Speaker 3: Yeah we are, Yeah, this is this is uh, you know,
I've been to high schools got more people than their
their county. Well you know, I mean it's it's it's
really remote and there's really not a whole lot of
people in the area and so but yeah, I mean,
that's a good idea to just to start comparing stuff
to other things. I know I have. When I first
time I recorded a cougar, I wasn't sure exactly what
it was, but it was doing its mating call thing
and I recorded it and I had never heard that before,
so I had to go out on the internet to
try to research what it was, and sure enough, it
was a It was a cougar calling for a mate, gotcha.
Speaker 2: And that can kind of sound horrific.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. It's crazy. It's weird sounding. Yeah. Yeah,
But so I have compared about some things, but really
we should do more of that.
Speaker 2: Chris wants to know what time of year it was
when you got the chatter audio.
Speaker 3: Most of it, I would say, I can't say for
sure of that particular one, but we get the majority
of our activity in the spring and the fall, and
I don't know why that is, like right now, I
have been, honestly, I have been putting out recorders every
week when it's not raining. Of course it's raining tonight,
And if it ain't raining, I have a recorder out somewhere.
And in the summertime mostly I just get crickets, tree frogs,
and and you know, you listen to a whole bunch
of nothing.
Speaker 2: Well you know why that is, right, because it's so
freaking hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then in the fall and in the spring, man,
that's when you get your knox. That's when you get
all the activity and the hollers and all that kind
of stuff. So I would imagine it was in the
spring or fall.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, NW Native tracker wants to know if that is
that up around twelve hundred elevation or lower. I guess
where the sounds are coming from.
Speaker 3: Well, definitely if they're coming from Site three, they're lower
because they're right there on the Ohio River. If you
go up into the Garden of the Gods area, you're
probably getting at least to that elevation. I would say above.
I guess you're talking about above sea level because we
have we have bluffs that will be up eight hundred
eight hundred feet you know, up from the ground. But
I don't know exactly in that area where what what
the how high above sea level is the ground is?
But I think Joe's trying to look it up. But
I would say, yeah, easily twelve hundred feet in a
lot of the areas.
Speaker 2: Okay, a flat rock. What's that? My friend wants to
know if you guys are getting any good thermal footage.
Speaker 3: Yes, and no, I mean we outside of the one
he got that you showed here tonight. We were at
that other guy's Bandy Farm, Bandy Farm into the investigation there,
and we definitely had got one peeking out around a tree.
You can definitely see the head and shoulder and actually
one leg I believe, standing out there kind of on
the edge of a tree. And uh, you could actually
tell he was moving too. It was it was going
in and out. And we do have do we have
that up on our on our It's on our Facebook page. Yeah, yeah,
we have, we have that up on our web page.
It's not the best one, but you can definitely see
something there picking out around the tree. Whish it was better,
but yeah, and also, uh, Joe Turrey t U r Y.
He was filming and documentary documentary documentary that night, so
he got some stuff in that area. Too many farm
be worth watching and we have links to that on
our website as well awesome on our Facebook page.
Speaker 2: And the last question of the evening is from t Roy.
Do you do any gifting?
Speaker 3: We haven't. We haven't personally. One of the one lady
that we're doing an investigation where I told you she
was crawling up like this fighter crawling up there, she
has been gifting there and uh, she puts it in
like a five gallon bucket with a lid that snaps on,
and her first gifting thing she had put up some
brownies inside this bucket and then snapped the lid on.
She went back down there the brownies were going You
could actually see the fingers where the fingers were going
through like where the brownie and stuck to the bucket.
You could see the big fingers going through there. And
she reloaded it. We checked it just last week we
went out there. We checked her bucket then and uh,
it hadn't been touched. And it's really interesting to what
she does. She's really kind of creative. It's on this
white bucket she draws a picture of a face of
a bigfoot, then draws a picture of the bucket, and
then she draws a picture of the bucket with the
lid open, and then she draws a picture of the
bucket with an arm going in.
Speaker 2: So I mean.
Speaker 3: She she's given it directions on pictures on the bucket
as it goes around.
Speaker 2: It's it's sluryos the picture drawn instructions. That's the phenomenal. Yeah,
that's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: So, but we haven't tried it ourselves yet. A lot
of our a lot of the areas we have are
are I have been using this going in the same
area all the time, and I have stuck things out
like a little race car for a marble. You put
out some points at the time and that and that
site one. I did do that, but it didn't do
me good. I took a quarter, a nickel, a penny,
and a dime and put them in the crack of
a tree that that had haullen over. It was probably
about three foot up off the ground and it had
a split in it, so I could just really push
the down in there, and I knew something wasn't.
Speaker 4: Gonna pull them out right, and I wasn't even heard
it go back. I probably didn't go back for three
months given the time. Just want to see what happened.
And I went back and I couldn't find the lamb.
Speaker 3: It was gone coins lamb, there was nothing there, nothing
where it was. And we put cars out and stuff
like that. I put them out here. They're still there.
I haven't had any luck with those, So maybe they
don't like cars. Maybe not.
Speaker 2: You have to try blue marbles maybe.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, or peanut butter or something. I gotta figure
something out.
Speaker 2: Well, I've had a blast talking to you guys for
an after minutes. I could just talk and talk and
talk and talk, but please take this time to let
us know anything and everything you have going on at
your websites where you might be headed. Absolutely, go ahead
with that.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: Well, we've got a presentation I think coming up here
at Harrisburg at their at their Big Food Festival. We
were supposed to be doing one, uh so don't only
Big Book conference, but he had some issues this year
with the building that's been canceled. So right now we
don't have anything besides that Harsburgh on on our agenda.
We will say if anybody ever wants us to come
and do presentations, we'd definitely be in. We love sharing
what we've gotten and we've got tons of photos and tons.
Speaker 3: Of recordings, so yeah, we descratched the surface. We have
hundreds and hundreds of audio recordings over twelve years, so
there's you know we've got we just picked out some
for you, but we've got hundreds of.
Speaker 2: Them, and you know my email is and you know,
get help to me.
Speaker 3: And you know, outside of that, we do have a
couple of investig current investigations that we're doing, but we
keep pretty busy, you know, around just just kind of
doing our own thing. Please stop buy our Facebook page.
It's the Squatchers and it's spelled th h G s
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it says like right there and go there. We put
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We also do advertising, like well, we're going to be
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on it than I am. But yeah, please stop buy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's how it is. Out of every group,
one is more active on social media than the other one.
Speaker 3: He's just better at it.
Speaker 2: Easy, I guy, see, there you go. It equals out.
Oh well, you guys, you're you're a hoot. I always
I love talking to you guys, and I could just
talk for I mean, we've been on here for us
now in forty five minutes. I know it doesn't feel
like it right. All the good ones go by and
then whatever. It was fun.
Speaker 3: Having Thanks for having us.
Speaker 2: We had a blast, and you guys have a good
rest of your night.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 7: Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at
it end of day, Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze.
Secrets kept by ancient dreams, dog Man house beneath the
moon echoes in the silent dune. Tracks weave five but
answers none. A hunt for truth that's just begun. We're
searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden our sight
in the forest, hardware shadows lay seeking secrets in the twilight.
Through the fog, a shape did gly skin walker with
eyes so wide, Legends of Oh, we chase to night
in the dark.
Speaker 3: Our lanterns bright.
Speaker 7: By the creek, quil water spill, whispers wry, the winds
chill fullest, deep man tails on toll.
Speaker 8: In this land the myths of O.
Speaker 7: We're searching past the fire light full creature's hidden, out
of sight, in the forest dark, where shadows lay, seeking
seeing Chriss in the twilight break