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Speaker 2: A wall Street line, shackle change, Oh someome gird, it's

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calling my name.

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Speaker 3: There is no mercy and it's been a tentery juice

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as the hill Stream game Rainbow three.

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Speaker 4: Come here by me to die.

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Speaker 5: Inside these walls, inside the wild.

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Speaker 4: Han't went more girls as I'm.

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Speaker 6: Hey everyone, and welcome back to Blundy and Gulla, a

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podcast one hundred and forty two years in the making,

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the complete story of America's Bloody Is Prison. I'm Jim Chapman,

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and today I'm bringing you a story involving a current

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Death Row inmate by the name of Dale Craig, who

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in nineteen ninety two murdered a team by the name

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of Kip Gullet. Now there's a reason for the timing

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of this particular episode, and that is because Deal Craig

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is in the news again this past week, as the

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Supreme Court has made a ruling saying a lower court

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has to hear from the state to make a determination

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if Dal Craig should have the opportunity to seek parole.

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And that's after Craig, who was originally sentenced to death,

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has already had his sentence changed from death to life

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without parole and then life with parole confused yet, Well

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that's okay. I'm going to bring it all to you today. Now,

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what led to this crime, the convention, the change in sentence,

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and the reconsideration for parole, that's what we're going to cover.

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So I'm going to take you back to September fourteenth

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of nineteen ninety two, and I'm going to tell you

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about an LSU student by the name of Kip Gullet

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who was eighteen. This particular night, Kept Gullet, he pulls

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into his parking spot at Kirby Smith dormitory. He had

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a Ford Bronco. It was really nice truck. He pulls in.

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It was late at night, near midnight as a matter

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of fact, and he was tired. He had been visiting

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a female friend at this time, and he's just ready

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to get back to his dorm and go to bed.

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He was a good kid, a freshman at LSU. He

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was really just starting out on his own in college.

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He had just left home. So as soon as he

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parks and he gets out of his Ford Bronco, Dale Craig,

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who incidentally was with three other people, he rushes up

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to this freshman and right off the bat he hits

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him with the butt of a revolver in the face.

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That got Gullet's attention immediately, and at gunpoint, Dell Craig

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orders Gullet into the backseat of his Bronco, and he

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orders his companions, those guys with him later identified as

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Zebby Berthelot, James Laverne, and Roy Morier, to get into

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the bronco with them. They all get in. They ride

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around the Baton Ruge area at midnight this night for

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nearly an hour, trying to decide what to do with

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Kip Gullet. Now, according to later court testimony, Gullet was

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understandably scared shitless. He was crying, He was begging for

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his life the entire time. As a matter of fact,

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he would put his hands over his face and cover

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his eyes and say, man, I haven't seen any of y'all.

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I don't know what you look like. Please let me go.

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He would beg these fours guys for mercy. He would

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tell them his family was rich and they would pay

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these guys for his safe return, just anything he could

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think of to keep these guys from killing him. All

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during this hour long ordeal, dal Craig would just sit

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there and would just torn him. Why you cry and

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why you being a whimp and all this kind of stuff.

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Well maybe it's because you've got a freaking gun pointed

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at my head. But that tells you what kind of

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person Dale Craig is. So, while this is going on,

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the other three accomplices, they're not as agreeable as Deal Craig.

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He was asking them what should we do with this guy?

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They were saying, Hey, why don't we just beat him

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unconscious and leave him somewhere. We don't have to kill him.

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And at one point during this back and forth with

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these guys, according to them, Deal Craig seeing like he

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was going to go along with that. Okay, we'll bring

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him somewhere and we'll just beat him up and knock

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him out so that he can't get up and go

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immediately to police, and we won't kill him. And according

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to these guys, that's what they assumed Dale Craig was

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going to do. So they eventually drive to a construction site,

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and this construction site is in what's known as the

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Kenilworth area of Baton Rudge, and it was there that

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they all exit that Bronco and Deal Craig tells one

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of the accomplices, Zebi Birthlot, to hand him a nine

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millimeter pistol. Zebi Birthalot does that and deal Craig along

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with the guy by the name of James Laverne, they

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march this eighteen year old, good kid, college student with

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his whole life ahead of him. They march him eighty

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feet into this construction site. At that point, Laverne takes

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the butt of his gun and he hits Gullet in

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the back of the head. In this knocks Gullet to

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the ground, and Gullet, if you can picture this, is

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kind of on all fours trying to get back up,

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and he was almost out of it. I would assume

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he was almost knocked out, and he kind of just

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sinks back down into the ground. And Laverne said at

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that point he just walks away and he's assuming that

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was it. This kid was practically knocked out. And here

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we go back to the bronco that we're going to steal,

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right But at this point, Dale Craig, he kneels down

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by Gullet. As he lays there, he's frozen in fear.

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He is actually in by this point the fetal position,

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and Dale Craig fires three bullets at point blank range

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to his skull, killing the eighteen year old. But del

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Craig's not done. He then stands completely up and he

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fires two more shots in to Kip Gulling just for

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the hell of it. That's how evil this sm bitch is.

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The four of them, they then drive away from the

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scene and these other three guys, according to them, they

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were like, why did you kill him? That was not

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the plan. I thought we were just gonna knock him out.

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Now we're all gonna be screwed, et cetera. And del

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Craig tells them, hey, man, I panicked because during the

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ride this kid overheard one of the assailants mentioned the

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name of another assailant, and del Craig said, hey, I

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was worried that he was going to be able to

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identify us just by hearing names. So that was his

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reasoning for shooting this kid over and over and over again,

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execution style in the head. Mind you now. According to

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these other guys, after they left the scene, del Craig

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also told them quote, I love you all. You are

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all my boys, but if you say one fucking word,

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I'll kill you too, they said. He then turned to

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Roy Moyer, and he said, quote, I told you I

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was hard. Del Craig then turns to the group and says,

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while we're at it, should we go kill anybody else,

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and then, in an attempt to be funny, answers his

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own question by saying, Nah, the game warden may be

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pissed if we keep leaving bodies in the woods. So

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Del Craig then drives to his home in this in

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this Kid's Bronco whereas girlfriend friend, she was at his

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home and he tells her in detail the entire crime.

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His girlfriend and he they then devise a plan on

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how to get away with this shit, and their plan

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was they were going to drive that bronco to Bogolusa,

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Louisiana the next day and somehow get rid of it. However,

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the next day, just prior to leaving, he changes his

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mind and he tells her, hey, we're just going to

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destroy the bronco. So the first thing he does is

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he rips the stereo out of that bronco, and his

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intention there was he intended to sell the stereo, the

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cor stereo and then accompanied by his girlfriend James Laverne,

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who was one of the guys with him, when this

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murder went down, and his mother, of all people, his

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own mother, They were all in a separate car. They

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follow him as he takes the Bronco to the Mississippi

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River levee in Baton rage In the group sets and

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on fire.

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Speaker 1: In the sultry heat of Louisiana, where the bayous whisper

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secrets and the air hangs heavy with the scent of magnolias,

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a darkness lurked beneath the surface. Dereck todd Lee was

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a man whose charm masked a sinister reality. He was

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a monster. Lee, a seemingly ordinary man with a disarming smile,

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led a double life that would unravel in a series

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of murders in the capital city of Baton Rouge and

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the surrounding areas. As the first reports of disappearances and

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murders began to surface, South Louisiana was thrust into a nightmare,

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igniting a frantic search for answers. The true horror was

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just beginning, and the hunt for a serial killer eventually

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known by just three letters, would reveal not only the

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depths of Derek Toddley's depravity, but also the resilience of

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those most affected by his evil acts, the families, and

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the survivors. This is DTL.

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one dropping November three. So obviously, now you've got a

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car on fire in Baton Ridge on the levee. And

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it was not long before the East Baton Ridge Parish

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Sheriff's office gets a call and get a call and

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the caller says, hey, there's a car on fire on

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the levee in Baton Ridge. And they start investigating this

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arson and they discover that the owner of this Bronco

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is a man with the last named Gullet, and it's

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actually Kip Gullet's father. And they call the father and

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they say, hey, your bronco is on fire on the

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Mississippi River levee. And the father says, well, I bought

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the vehicle, but that's for my son. He's an LSU

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freshman at LSU and he drives that car. He actually

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lives on LSU's campus. Now, y'all, this is at the

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very infancy of cell phones. I mean, it was like

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beepers and pagers at this point in time in the

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early nineties. So his dad he starts paging his son NonStop.

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He calls the dorm, etc. To no avail. He cannot

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get in touch with his son. I can only imagine

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the panic that was going through his dad's mind. So

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his dad obviously very concerned by this point, he contacts

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the LSU police and he lets them know that he

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was unable to kate his son. Almost simultaneously, at this point,

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deputies were investigating reports of a body found at a

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construction site in the Kenilworth area of Batan Rurage, and

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officers for both investigations. They realize relatively quickly that the

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burned bronco and the body at that construction site were

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related and that body was identified as Kip Gullet. So

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at that point police also have a tip called in in.

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The tipster stated that Dale Craig, along with Laverne Berthelot

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and Moawyer were involved in the murder of Kip Gullet.

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So police give this information and they quickly go arrest

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the four suspects and listen to the ages of these guys.

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Del Craig at that time was seventeen years old. Now

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he was turning eighteen, in just a few days, less

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than a week from the time that this crime went down,

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and that would come into play later. James Laverne was nineteen,

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zebbi Berthelot was sixteen, and Roy Moyer was just fifteen

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years old. Can you believe that? So these guys they

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get questioned, and Moyer, he's fifteen, He's in a ship

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pile of trouble. He knows it. He admits to everything.

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He just totally confesses, and they get a search warrant

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for Dale Craig's home, and at del Craig's home they

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find the stereo equipment for that Bronco, as well as

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the victim's keys. So very early on, police already have

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a ton of evidence, including confessions, and all four of

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these guys are charged with first degree murder. So I'm

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gonna fast forward a bet because all of these guys

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had trials. But that's not what this particular episode is about.

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We'll get into that in a second. But all these

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guys had trials or they cut deals with prosecutors, and

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here are the results of that. Dale Craig gets sentenced

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to death first agree murder. He gets the death penalty.

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Zebbie Berthelot was sentenced to twenty years in prison after

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he pleaded guilty to manslaughter, and that was a deal,

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a plea deal that prosecutors made with him to get

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him to testify again. It's Dale Craig. Roy Mourrier was

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sentenced to twenty years in prison after he pleaded guilty

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to manslaughter and again he agreed to testify against Craig

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and James Laverne. He was sentenced to life inside Bloody

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and Gola or second degree murder. Apparently he did not

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cut a deal or they felt like they had enough

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and just didn't offer him one. Remember he was the

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guy that hit kept gullet in the head and knocked

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him down just prior to deal Craig executing him. So

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he gets life inside of Bloody in Gola. And all

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of these convictions were in nineteen ninety four, So off

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they go to serve these sentences and it's in two

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thousand and five that something shocking happens when Dale Craig

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he gets resentenced from the death penalty and death to

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life in prison with no parole. So how did that happen? Well,

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roper Versus Simmons stipulated that if you were juvenile when

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you committed a crime, you could not be sentenced to death.

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So that made Dale Craig's sentence unconstitutional because remember he

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was seventeen, but he was only a week from eighteen

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when he committed this crime, and that opened the door

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for recents and the result of that recentence was life

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in prison with no parole.

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Speaker 1: Jim, did you see what happened in Texas today?

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Speaker 6: Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you

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what happened in New York.

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Speaker 1: It cannot be as crazy as the case I told

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you about yesterday in Louisiana.

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Speaker 6: You know what, we should do a podcast about it,

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and with that we did.

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even sprinkle in a few globally.

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Speaker 6: Simply by searching Crime Wire Weekly or clicking the link

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in the description of this podcast. Now, it's important to

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note I keep hammering this down, but he was just

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six days from his eighteenth birthday when this went down.

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Then there's another shocking event when in twenty twenty three,

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the Supreme Court citing Montgomery versus Louisiana as well as

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Miller versus Alabama, they rule that if you were a

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juvenile and you were sentenced to life in prison in

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the state of Louisiana, it was unconstitutional to not get

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a shot at para. So you couldn't be sentenced to

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life with no parole. Essentially, you would have to serve

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twenty years to become eligible for parole. Now, due to

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the fact that del Craig had been incarcerated for well

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over twenty years by this point, he would actually be

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eligible for parole right out of the gate. This was

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determined by the First Circuit Court of Appeal in Louisiana. However,

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yet another change in this case when just a week

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ago the Louisiana Supreme Court reversed that twenty twenty three

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decision made by the First Circuit Court of Appeal, and

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that opened the door for the state to at least

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argue to the First Circuit the appellate Court that del

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Craig should not have a chance at parole. So let

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me just make this cleaner for you up, because I

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know it can be confusing. In twenty twenty three, Judge

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Ebony Rose, she re sentences Craig from life with no

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parole to life with the possibility of parole because he

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was a juvenile and they'd already been pulled off a

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death row and that sentence changed to life in prison

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because he was a juvenile. So this is two strikes

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of luck for this guy. The Age appeals that and says, bullshit,

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this guy should never have a chance at parole. In

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the appellate Court dismisses the state's appeal at that time.

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and we're not even going to hear your case. So

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the state then appeals that decision by the Appellate Court

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all the way to the Supreme Court and they say

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they should have to hear the case. In six out

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of seven Supreme Court judges they rule that the first

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Circuit must at least hear the case, and they can't

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just dismiss it. They can't tell the Attorney General's office,

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you don't even get a right to argue in front

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of us and tell us why Dale Craig doesn't deserve

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pro now. The only dissenting judge in the Supreme Court

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Louisiana Supreme Court was Chief Justice John Weimer. So does

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all this mean that dal Craig will get parole. Well,

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the short answer is no, even if the appellate court

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upheld his shot at parole, even saying the State of

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Louisiana argued this to the appellate court and they said, well,

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we don't buy your argument. We think that he should

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get life with the chance at parole at least a hearing.

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It doesn't mean he's going to be granted parole. But

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to me, even the fact that this this guy gets

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a shot at parole, I don't like it. It's like

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granting this guy a second shot at life. His victim

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did not get a second shot at life. Why should

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he now, hopefully with the chance to at least argue

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the reasons why Dell Craig does not deserve a chance

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at parole. By the state's attorneys at least the first circuit,

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we'll be able to consider the risk involved in letting

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this guy out into the free world. And anytime you

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get a chance to co op for parole, you always

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you know there is a risk there that you can

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get out. It's happened. And here's an interesting tidbit of

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information for you regarding del Craig inside of Bloody in Gola,

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and I'm gonna tell you quickly about an escape attempt

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that he actually had when he was on death row. Now,

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these death row inmates, like really all inmates, they got

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twenty four hours a day to think about nothing but

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how the hell to get out of prison, right, escape style,

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that's all they got to do. And especially with death row,

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it's a very moundane life. Boring af Well, when you're

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on the other side of carrastions, you know that an

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unoccupied mind can sometimes be a dangerous thing, So you

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try to keep the minds busy at the very least somehow.

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In one way Louisiana State Penitentiary tried to do this

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was to allow inmates on death row dominoes. Seems harmless enough, right,

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play some dominoes with yourself. Well, what Louisiana State Penitentiary

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officials didn't realize was that in the old death row

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the welds that were used on the cell bar were hollow.

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And while they did not realize that, apparently the death

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row inmates did at some point, with Dale Craig being

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one of those inmates. And as Kathy Fontau told it

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to me, and y'all, Cathy is a legend here in

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Louisiana Corrections. In a former assistant warden at Bloody and Gola,

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she said, one day, while Dale Craig was housed in

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death Row, she was giving a tour and she passed

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by Dale Gregg's cell and he was standing up and

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he was facing the tour group, and he was kind

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of holding on to the bars, if you can picture that. Now,

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when you're a warden, an assistant warden, even a CEO,

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you become accustomed to these inmates' habits. And one thing

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about dal Craig was he almost was never up at

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his cell door like that. Primarily he laid in the

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bed all the time. So she kind of took nighte

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of that right away as very strange. Well, as officials

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would discover later, Dale Craig had managed to cut through

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those welds in his cells, and they would also discover

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later it took over sixteen hours to cut through those welds.

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And the dominoes that were given to these inmates to

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pass the time, he had disguised them to look like

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part of the cell doors, and he placed them where

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those welds would have been had he not cut through those.

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So when Warden Fonteau was with that tour group and

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they were walking down you know a picture of the

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Green Mile or whatever, they're walking down that tier and

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he was in front of his cell door holding on

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to the cell door. He was actually holding the cell

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bars to make sure they didn't fall out while the

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tour group walked by. That's some wild shit right there.

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You heard. Inmates will come up with anything if given time,

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and all they have in there is time. But there

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you have it. When I came across this story, y'all,

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it just sickened me. The way that Dale Craig just

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executed this young man that had nothing but his future

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in front of him disgusted me. And he's gotten off

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death row that was changed to life in prison. Now

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they're trying to figure out certain people how he can

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get a shot at parole. Give me a fucking break.

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So frustrating, but there you have it. And look, this

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needs to be mentioned. Speaking of death at Bloody and Gola,

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the docu series DTL is releasing Monday, November three on Unspeakable,

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a true crime podcast by Kelly Jennings. Of course, she's

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been on Bloody and Gola several times. I know many

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of you that listen or familiar with her familiar with

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the show, but some of you aren't. I executive produced

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this series. It covers notorious serial killer Derek Todd Lee

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as told by Kelly Jennings. And this is a highly

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produced listener experience. It is unlike anything I've ever done,

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anything that Kelly's ever done, and I'm telling you it

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is absolutely fire. You're gonna want to hear every bit

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of it. As I said, it's actually coming your way Monday,

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this upcoming Monday. If you're listening to this episode of

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Bloody and Gola when it drops, if you're not, November

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thirty is one episode one drops. It'll drop every Monday

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throughout the series. I'll link Kelly's podcast in the description

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of this podcast, so that if you're not familiar with her,

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go follow her. If you love this show, you'll love

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her show. There's no doubt about that. There's no one

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out there more thorough than Kelly Jennings when it comes

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to getting details on cases. So check that out. And

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until next time for Bloody and Gola, a podcast one

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and forty two years in the making, the complete story

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of America's bloodiest prison. I'm Jim Chapman, Peace.

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