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Speaker 1: That was my bat. So let's start with mister must yourself,
Speaker 1: mister muss himself. I got some sun I'm a little loopy,
Speaker 1: but yeah, what what did you feel about Oppenheimer? Of course,
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this has been an interesting road for me. I'm
Speaker 5: definitely a Nolan fan, but I wouldn't say he's like
Speaker 5: my top director. He's not, like, you know, not on
Speaker 5: my top ten favorite films of all times, not just
Speaker 5: filled with Nolan's, but there's probably one that would sneak
Speaker 5: in there. But I've also I think my expectations or
Speaker 5: hype over this we're a little bit lower going in
Speaker 5: just because of the trailers in the subject matter who
Speaker 5: are dealing with like, is not my that's not the
Speaker 5: Nolan I'm looking for personally hashtaging out my Nolan hashtag
Speaker 5: not my Nolan. And then also you know Tennant and Dunkirk.
Speaker 5: I was not super duper hot on those. I think
Speaker 5: they're they're well made, their solid. I've also never rewatched either.
Speaker 5: Maybe I've watch Tenant before Golden Geeks, but I'm even
Speaker 5: a little bit foggy on though. So I think my
Speaker 5: high level was going going into this was a bit lower.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and it was an interesting experience. It's like
Speaker 5: it's a very long movie and I never it's like
Speaker 5: a lot of the content in it, you could say,
Speaker 5: is quite dry, and there's there's like a lot of characters,
Speaker 5: like probably more characters.
Speaker 2: Than there need to be in this that have names
Speaker 2: and like the whole scenes and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you could probably simplify this movie, but maybe he
Speaker 5: wanted it to be very true to like the real
Speaker 5: world happenings in real older people or something like that.
Speaker 1: And he cites the book that's nine hundred pages was
Speaker 1: a big inspiration to him as well, So that's probably
Speaker 1: it today's point, like I gotta get this in here,
Speaker 1: I gotta get this in here, So probably a bit
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's there's a lot going on, and it's
Speaker 5: it's a long movie, and it is maybe slower or
Speaker 5: dry at certain moments, but somehow I felt like I
Speaker 5: was glued to the screen the entire time. I was
Speaker 5: like in it from start to finish, and I think
Speaker 5: for that first maybe third or so, maybe even half,
Speaker 5: I was enjoying it, but not not loving it necessarily.
Speaker 5: But then there was something about like that second half
Speaker 5: the movie, or the last like two thirds whatever it was,
Speaker 5: that like it just kept getting better and better for me,
Speaker 5: I felt like I was starting to kind of understand
Speaker 5: and know who a lot more of these characters were.
Speaker 5: And then even just kind of the movie takes a
Speaker 5: bit of a switch at one point when it stops
Speaker 5: being a bit of like, here's the story of what
Speaker 5: happened here and more kind of dealing with I guess,
Speaker 5: i'll say, the trial sequence of it. And then there's
Speaker 5: a whole lot of stuff going on, and you know,
Speaker 5: it's classic Nolan things, So this movie is not linear
Speaker 5: from start to finish. There's cutting back and forth and
Speaker 5: all that. But yeah, I found by the end of it,
Speaker 5: like the last I don't know, forty five minutes of it,
Speaker 5: I feel like was just incredibly solid, and it was
Speaker 5: really coming together in a way that was really great
Speaker 5: for me. There's still some hang ups for me, like
Speaker 5: some of those characters we can talk about that, there
Speaker 5: is some things that I'm confused about. I don't even
Speaker 5: know if I should admit this. I don't even fully
Speaker 5: understand who Robert Downey's character is.
Speaker 2: Supposed to be.
Speaker 5: The movie still works, but I felt like I just
Speaker 5: completely missing some elements of it. Classic Nolan, the fucking
Speaker 5: audio is so loud you can't hear dialogue, and I
Speaker 5: felt like that happened for a couple moments that were
Speaker 5: very crucial, like plot information, I just could not hear
Speaker 5: what was saying. So this movie absolutely needs a rewatch.
Speaker 5: But I think my kind of closing here from my
Speaker 5: overall thoughts is I want to give so much credit
Speaker 5: to I guess the soundtrack from Ludwig Gorenson, who's obviously
Speaker 5: been freshing it lately, and then also the editing who
Speaker 5: Jennifer Lame is the editor on this, because I felt
Speaker 5: like those two working together on this just made what
Speaker 5: could have been a slow or dry or uninteresting movie
Speaker 5: like it just fucking flowed so well that editing is
Speaker 5: so like, there's so much going on here. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: obviously you're going between present day, you're going back in time,
Speaker 5: you're going back and forth and all this stuff. But
Speaker 5: I felt like the movie just had an insanely good
Speaker 5: pace to it that didn't feel like anything was particularly rushed,
Speaker 5: but there was usually enough time given for me to
Speaker 5: fully understand, and you would just like, yeah, sometimes you
Speaker 5: just skip and you'd be like a couple of years
Speaker 5: in the future in terms of where the story's at.
Speaker 5: It just flowed perfectly, and you don't need like a
Speaker 5: black screen that says five years later or whatever it
Speaker 5: is to explain some of these things. And then that soundtrack,
Speaker 5: which I feel like is maybe quiet two or three
Speaker 5: times in the movie, which those moments are very effective,
Speaker 5: but otherwise it is constantly driving the movie forward, and
Speaker 5: that pacing and particularly I feel like it gets it
Speaker 5: starts out quite simple, simplified and maybe more classic Nolanny
Speaker 5: sort of soundtracks, but then near the end of it,
Speaker 5: like there's so many layers that are thrown in there,
Speaker 5: and a lot of moments of tension and whatnot that
Speaker 5: are just so good. So, yeah, it's the editing and
Speaker 5: the soundtrack that I think really carried this movie for me.
Speaker 5: But overall, I'm feeling very positive on it. But yeah, really,
Speaker 5: and I think this is one where a rewatcher two
Speaker 5: will just make me like it more and more and
Speaker 5: appreciate more and understand more of it, where some of
Speaker 5: the other Nolan stuff I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 5: I never fully understand some elements or it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 5: come together in that way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm pretty happy with this one. I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned this sound design because I think
Speaker 1: everyone always brings it up. But there's a scene early
Speaker 1: in the movie where the score got louder, but like
Speaker 1: Killian Murph was talking and literally he just got louder randomly,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, Nolan's like realizing that everything
Speaker 1: else is loud. But they brought him up loud, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, he's gonna make the dialogue really loud.
Speaker 1: And then that was the last time it happened. But
Speaker 1: because it was really random, unless it was a theater thing,
Speaker 1: I'll have to wait to rewatch. But he was talking normal,
Speaker 1: and then it got really like and he's just in
Speaker 1: a board room but Yeah, there's especially near the back
Speaker 1: after there's a couple where it's like, okay, at least
Speaker 1: luckily with the way Nolan directs it, I understand the
Speaker 1: intent of this scene of what he's trying to get across,
Speaker 1: but still he got Killian yelling and I still can't
Speaker 1: hear you know nothing, I'll say ever as bad as
Speaker 1: John day Washed and Kenneth Brown on that fucking boat
Speaker 1: though in TenneT where it's like I don't I don't
Speaker 1: hear a single thing. It's like I'm on that boat.
Speaker 1: But mister pats Er again by that that the reason
Speaker 1: we didn't make this review is why you're here because
Speaker 1: at one point you we're gonna be a lot on review.
Speaker 1: But as Dylan said in her discord, some greater force
Speaker 1: want you to be on this review because you missed TenneT.
Speaker 1: You almost missed this. Here we are, you know.
Speaker 4: No, I'm very happy to be here, so you know.
Speaker 3: It was an unfortunate evening the other evening, but I
Speaker 3: am it led us here, so I'm happy about it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, to just be here, like at the end
Speaker 3: of the Nolan retro too, it's just lots of fun
Speaker 3: to be just going on that Big Journey. The only
Speaker 3: one I missed out on was actually Tenant because I
Speaker 3: didn't see that movie right away in theaters. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just quick brief history if he didn't check out
Speaker 3: that Nolan retro. I love Christopher Nolan as director. I
Speaker 3: feel like all of his movies are just completely up
Speaker 3: my alley, with the epic scale oneness of it and
Speaker 3: just the trippy, mind bendy like twist that he likes
Speaker 3: to incorporate in his movies, and just like the bending
Speaker 3: of sci fi elements into a more grounded story. I
Speaker 3: feel like he just does that so well and his
Speaker 3: movie like, yeah, just like his movies are just for me,
Speaker 3: So I expected extremely high things for this. I feel
Speaker 3: like when other people were just like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: Barbie versus Oppenheimer, Barbie's just gonna sweep it. And I
Speaker 3: feel like I was just like that one guy, just
Speaker 3: like oh yeah, no, Open I mean, Dylan, I know
Speaker 3: you're more for Openheimer than Barbie, for sure, but i
Speaker 3: feel like I'm just in my friend groups, maybe at work.
Speaker 4: And stuff, I'm just like guys Oppenheimer, like this is
Speaker 4: such a big deal.
Speaker 2: Even me.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's more I was just kind of
Speaker 5: low on Barbie than I was super duper high on
Speaker 5: all hinders.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's how it worked out, Yeah, exactly. But like
Speaker 3: just just the scale of it, and even in like uh,
Speaker 3: like watching Mission Impossible or whatever it might be, like
Speaker 3: getting the trailers for Oppenheimer. Every time I got those trailers,
Speaker 3: I was getting goosebumps on my arms. I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is gonna be just such an insane movie. So I
Speaker 3: had extremely extremely high expectations for this movie, and I
Speaker 3: will say it, actually, it actually brought my enjoyment down
Speaker 3: a little bit of it.
Speaker 4: I know, it's it's shocking for sure, and it's.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, and I still loved it.
Speaker 4: I gotta keep you guessing, gotta keep you guessing.
Speaker 3: No, but like one hundred percent, because I think it's
Speaker 3: ex like it's it's mostly just that that I had
Speaker 3: such extremely high expectations for it, and it didn't matter
Speaker 3: if it was gonna be about fire ants in Africa.
Speaker 3: I feel like just the Nolan stamp on it would
Speaker 3: have been enough to just just get me fully invested
Speaker 3: and one hundred percent just thinking about this movie consistently,
Speaker 3: and that hasn't been the case. But like me, saying
Speaker 3: that it doesn't take away from the quality of the
Speaker 3: movie at all. Like, to Dylan's point, it is a
Speaker 3: very long movie, but I was one hundred percent glued
Speaker 3: to the screen the entire time. I feel like my
Speaker 3: lack of knowledge on the overall details of this historical
Speaker 3: event just made me really interested in what was going on.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's a realcod thing with Nolan films. The
Speaker 3: talking could be upped a little bit. Maybe I'm just
Speaker 3: too reliant on subtitles these days, but there's definitely scenes
Speaker 3: when I'm just like, Okay, this is just a write off.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what they're talking about in this scene,
Speaker 3: but like, and it's probably is to just how well
Speaker 3: each scene was edited together, because I feel like I
Speaker 3: was still able to really pick up on what was
Speaker 3: going on, maybe versus to something like Tenant. I feel
Speaker 3: like the first time I saw that movie, I was
Speaker 3: very lost at different parts. But I definitely feel like
Speaker 3: I have a really good grasp of this overall story,
Speaker 3: at least the way that Nolan hold it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I the editing was phenomenal. The scale and the scale
Speaker 3: of it all was was phenomenal. Of the anticipating, like
Speaker 3: the building of the anticipation in a very epic, intense moment.
Speaker 3: I feel like they just did that so well. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I was at like the edge of my seat multiple
Speaker 3: times in this movie. And it's not like a it's
Speaker 3: not like.
Speaker 2: A big like.
Speaker 3: Like just big epic movie of like a big war
Speaker 3: like like it's mostly just like historical and like just talking.
Speaker 3: But I feel like just the u politicking of it
Speaker 3: all just got me really really invested. And and just
Speaker 3: the way that the actors portrayed it, like Killian Murphy, Oh,
Speaker 3: I already loved him so much, especially coming off of
Speaker 3: Shane I watch Peaky Blinders this this last year for
Speaker 3: the first time, and he's just such an insanely talented
Speaker 3: actor and in this one, like, yeah, he just brought
Speaker 3: so many different levels of like joy but also extreme
Speaker 3: like terror and grief, and he's the only person like
Speaker 3: portraying that on screen. Obviously tying in with with the
Speaker 3: uh like the great sound design around it as well
Speaker 3: as just whether is I don't know, certain editing of
Speaker 3: the scene, like it was just so well done, But
Speaker 3: I will say my enjoyment factor was just a little
Speaker 3: bit lower than I was. I was expecting to, and well,
Speaker 3: the first time I watched Tenant, I watched it again
Speaker 3: the next morning, like I just couldn't wait. I had
Speaker 3: to had to rewatch it right away because like I like,
Speaker 3: I really liked it, but I just want to understand
Speaker 3: it more. I want to like it more than where
Speaker 3: I am, and I feel like with Oppenheimer, it's not
Speaker 3: gonna be the most rewatchable, just purely for it a
Speaker 3: movie movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, purely for.
Speaker 3: The length and just the dryness of certain scenes, Like
Speaker 3: I feel like I won't really put this on for
Speaker 3: a particular scene, whereas I don't know, like I could
Speaker 3: list a couple of different scenes from from various Nolan
Speaker 3: movies where I would just put it on, for like Interstellar,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I would just put it on
Speaker 3: for like when they're actually in like space around the
Speaker 3: like the the black hole event, and just like certain
Speaker 3: sci fi type sequences. I feel like I would just
Speaker 3: want to watch that, But I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: think I really have that right now with this movie
Speaker 3: and with it for example, like I enjoy that movie
Speaker 3: the more I watch it. I've seen it maybe four
Speaker 3: times now, and it's like significant jumps up like I
Speaker 3: feel like I just noticed or pick up something, or
Speaker 3: just really appreciate the attention to detail on a particular scene.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure this movie has those moments littered throughout
Speaker 3: because Nolan is just he likes to bring that in
Speaker 3: his movies, and so I'm sure that will be the case.
Speaker 3: But I just need a little cool downbreak, And I
Speaker 3: should preface too, like I did do the Barbenheimer combo.
Speaker 3: So I watched Barbie first, and so by the end
Speaker 3: of Oppenheimer, like I had been sitting in like the
Speaker 3: exact same theater seed for like four hours. Maybe that
Speaker 3: was kind of, you know, diminishing some of it where
Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting a little wiggly, my butts getting sore.
Speaker 3: So there is probably exterior factors to bring down my
Speaker 3: overall enjoyment.
Speaker 4: But again, it didn't.
Speaker 3: It didn't diminish my ability to just like appreciate the
Speaker 3: quality of what was on screen, because yeah, they absolutely
Speaker 3: killed it all. The acting was just so top notched.
Speaker 3: There's so many talented people in this movie, and.
Speaker 1: It feel like, advertise, yeah, this person's in the movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, No, absolutely, And I was just like shocked
Speaker 3: by seeing certain characters in there, and I think they
Speaker 3: just were all really really top tier, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: really really appreciate.
Speaker 4: The just the story that that was told.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'd be lying if I said it didn't
Speaker 3: just like leave a super impressive.
Speaker 1: Like even too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even though paying it too much, it just didn't
Speaker 3: hit the bar for enjoyment factor that I thought it would.
Speaker 3: It met the quality level for sure, but I don't know,
Speaker 3: may it was expected a bigger bang or whatnot, or maybe.
Speaker 4: I don't know, something bank the world's Biggest Bang.
Speaker 1: That's like a Ron Tomatoes negative critic right there, not
Speaker 1: the biggest bang movie, you know, like they'd take that.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I think we kind of all have that
Speaker 1: with Norlan movies because I think either all of us
Speaker 1: like love him or respect him. I think because that's
Speaker 1: the way I was with Interstellar, right Like I was
Speaker 1: so excited and it just didn't match it. But then
Speaker 1: that's my tenet where I just we watched about two
Speaker 1: weeks ago and for the first time I was like
Speaker 1: I could maybe give this one a perfect score, where
Speaker 1: in the past I haven't. So it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those And I'm much like Dylan where so like I'll
Speaker 1: see love the TDK trilogy. You gun Inception, you got Prestige,
Speaker 1: and then after that, that's when you get Interstellar. And
Speaker 1: at the time I said I wasn't mixed. I was
Speaker 1: still very high in it, but I was not like
Speaker 1: I had Batman, Beginn's Prestige, Dark Knight and Interception four Row.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all these are best, Like they're all of
Speaker 1: my best of movies stuff like that, so it's tough
Speaker 1: on an Interstellar didn't match that bar. And then you
Speaker 1: got Dunkirk Intent, which are very well made, but I
Speaker 1: don't return back to too many times. Especially Dunkirk I've
Speaker 1: only seen twice, and even when I was rewatching all
Speaker 1: the Nole movies this summer, I didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to all of them. But yeah, I was even like, ah,
Speaker 1: I left Dunkirk last. I was watched them at order,
Speaker 1: but I skipped don Kirk to get to Tenet because
Speaker 1: like I like Dunkirk, it's all well made, but I
Speaker 1: don't find myself having to return to it. So since
Speaker 1: and even Dark Knight rises, which I can still go
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, that's definitely the weakest of the series.
Speaker 1: Since Inception, I haven't felt like Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: ten at ten across the board, and I think I
Speaker 1: said it had a similar and like high level as
Speaker 1: far as Dylan. Like when they announced he was making
Speaker 1: a movie about the creation the bomb, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't care about this. I'll see it because it's Nolan,
Speaker 1: but I don't care about any of this. I'm not
Speaker 1: a history buff. I'm always looking more like if there's
Speaker 1: something I want to learn from history, that's stuff I
Speaker 1: seeked out. But that's not much for me. I'm not
Speaker 1: a war buff. I'm not a historian buff. So I'm
Speaker 1: the same as Dylan where this movie happens, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a Wikipedia. Who's Lewis Strauss? Like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: like the history I know is a little from school,
Speaker 1: and then movies I've won to see. But it's Nolan.
Speaker 1: So I checked it out and I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be similar to Dunkirk, but no, I absolutely love
Speaker 1: this movie. I think you could make it argument that
Speaker 1: his best movie ever. I would never say it's my
Speaker 1: favorite because this wouldn't like it's just my likes. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put this past Inception or past The Dark Knight,
Speaker 1: like those are things that one they've been around long,
Speaker 1: but I just like that concept. There's two Nolan's right,
Speaker 1: there's always the like, you look at what he's done.
Speaker 1: He did Dark Knight Rises and it was or sorry,
Speaker 1: actually it was Interstellar spacey than Dunkirk, and then Tenant
Speaker 1: and then another history one. Right, So if we go
Speaker 1: on pattern, I would imagine the next one's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be a bit more high concepts. So usually when he
Speaker 1: gets on that cap, I go, oh, I like that.
Speaker 1: No one but don't love it. But yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: already talked about it. It's definitely too like Ludwig's best
Speaker 1: work because there's so much score in this movie, like
Speaker 1: so much. It's not like there's there's definitely quiet moments
Speaker 1: in this movie, but there's more moments of score than
Speaker 1: there is of quietness, and that's usually not how it
Speaker 1: happens in movies usually, and even just scenes where they
Speaker 1: are talking about, you know, they see a certain newspaper headline,
Speaker 1: Ludwig is going hard and he's making like I would
Speaker 1: love to see what this movie would be like if
Speaker 1: you take the score out. I feel like my score
Speaker 1: would drop dramatically. And that's not to say a bad
Speaker 1: thing about the movie itself. That's just like how good
Speaker 1: Luck Wig was because if you don't have that in there,
Speaker 1: it's gone. So that was very, very impressive. Like when
Speaker 1: we get the Golden Geeks, that's like a bullet for me.
Speaker 1: I get it because it's just and he could tell like,
Speaker 1: that's such an impressive guy, like since he I know
Speaker 1: he'd done work before, but I think he got an
Speaker 1: art like Radar when Black Panther came out and he
Speaker 1: did that. He did Manalor, and he's done other things
Speaker 1: where just this guy always gives up quality. So that's
Speaker 1: a big thing. The scope, the cast, Killian. It's great
Speaker 1: to see him in this leading role because you look
Speaker 1: at Nolan's career, He's been in so many Inception Begins,
Speaker 1: Dunkirk where he has an important role, but it's always
Speaker 1: that role. It's like it has twenty five minutes too,
Speaker 1: you know, it's always that cap. So it's great to
Speaker 1: see him have this performance. I'm really happy the Box
Speaker 1: Off is like Nolan's biggest movie ever rather than the
Speaker 1: Batman movies, so that's great. Yeah, I was surprised about
Speaker 1: the pacing. It didn't bug me in all the three
Speaker 1: hours at the beginning, I thought there was stuff, Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe is this needed? Could you cut it? But as
Speaker 1: it went along with no, actually that is need. If
Speaker 1: it's even little stuff went okay, that served towards the
Speaker 1: plot and the story. Even same thing. I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be like Dunkirk, where Dunkirk has that time
Speaker 1: thing where something's are happening in the past and present,
Speaker 1: and that's a movie. Where I watched Dunkirk, I go,
Speaker 1: this is a movie that didn't need like Nolan's time trickery.
Speaker 1: It could have just been straightforward and maybe would have
Speaker 1: been better where this one. I think it worked really well,
Speaker 1: especially the shifting of certain dynamics. And I'd say maybe
Speaker 1: with Robert Downey character that the timeline messing really works
Speaker 1: with his character. And that's another thing killing down He's
Speaker 1: great in here. It's not that he hasn't be great
Speaker 1: in the MCR other stuff he's been in the past
Speaker 1: few years, but he just knocked out of the park
Speaker 1: every scene he's in there, even when he's not talking.
Speaker 1: His facials. Man, it's great to see Downy in this,
Speaker 1: and it's a role I made. There's a few comedic beats,
Speaker 1: but he is not that down he completely falls into
Speaker 1: the role. So that's great. All the practical stuff is great,
Speaker 1: The ending is great when it's really wrapping up to
Speaker 1: this creation. There's one scene in here that's gonna stick
Speaker 1: with me for years. There's it's like almost horror esque
Speaker 1: and I just loved it, and yeah, I it's one
Speaker 1: of these things that I will run out of words
Speaker 1: to talk about and I love. There's just certain things
Speaker 1: that it is Nolan, but it feels like a step
Speaker 1: up With some directors they find they find a level
Speaker 1: and you can always tell that's you can still tell
Speaker 1: us is Norlan movie, but they maybe don't do anything different. Right.
Speaker 1: There's times where these black and white scenes. They're shooting
Speaker 1: these scenes very almost like hell hand camera. They're not
Speaker 1: using that. I'm guarantee you. Nolan has this huge camera
Speaker 1: and it's on a thing, but they're moving in away
Speaker 1: where it looks like it's going back and forth that
Speaker 1: it's in the room. That's not a Nolan thing. Nolan's
Speaker 1: are usually just straight actors going and that's it. And
Speaker 1: on the scenes, so they're like having claustrophobic scenes going on.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even have to do with the bomb. It's
Speaker 1: just with these characters having emotions and yeah, like you
Speaker 1: get guys said, the cast is stacked and everybody. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of actors that are only in here for
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes, but it's very strong ten or fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's one that I think even more so
Speaker 1: when I watch it is definitely a mood one. It's
Speaker 1: not like Inception that I could watch it every day
Speaker 1: of the week. I can't watch Oppenheimer every day in
Speaker 1: the week from a mood standpoint, but from a technical standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think it's Nolan at the top of his game,
Speaker 1: and I, uh, you know, and that's where I guess.
Speaker 1: For me, it was revers a Kirk and where I
Speaker 1: went in other than last week, I was like lower
Speaker 1: expectations of Okay, I was, you know, I'm excited because
Speaker 1: it's Snolan, but I didn't think it was gonna be
Speaker 1: this and h yeah, it was quite a great one.
Speaker 1: So there's anything else to uh talk about non spoilers.
Speaker 5: On the non spoilers side, not for not much much
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 4: I don't think, Dylan, how was your showing? Was it
Speaker 4: just packed? I was curious to ask your theater.
Speaker 5: I think it was and in fact, I didn't have
Speaker 5: the best seat because I was kind of late to
Speaker 5: get my tickets, not because I knew I was gonna go.
Speaker 5: I guess I just didn't think about it well enough
Speaker 5: in advance. But yeah, because of that, most of the
Speaker 5: most of it was grabbed up, and I think except
Speaker 5: for maybe like some couple spots in the front row
Speaker 5: or two, it was it was packed for sure.
Speaker 3: I was pretty shocked just across the board for the
Speaker 3: weekend honestly, like Thursday, Friday, Saturday night showings for both
Speaker 3: Barbie and Oppenheimer were like actually just sold out. Like
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, there's the front row. I say
Speaker 3: sold out with like air quotes because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they got the front row, I guess. But yeah, like
Speaker 3: the main chunk where you would want to get your
Speaker 3: seats were just completely sold out.
Speaker 4: And then I had gotten.
Speaker 3: Because I, yeah, I watched Barbie and Oppenheimer Saturday day.
Speaker 3: Barbie was at eleven and then Oppenheimer's at two, and
Speaker 3: like I got them on Friday night or during the
Speaker 3: day on Friday, and like there was some seats taken
Speaker 3: for sure, but I was definitely one of the earlier ones.
Speaker 3: But by the time everyone showed up for the showing,
Speaker 3: it was like completely packed on like a matinee showing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I thought this was gonna be like
Speaker 3: the Safe Spot, so I was I was very shocked
Speaker 3: to just again it's like, oh yeah, this used to
Speaker 3: be what movies were like like on release before COVID,
Speaker 3: you know, like a long time ago. So it's it's
Speaker 3: crazy just the power that these these two movies have
Speaker 3: for the weekend. I'm curious how long that's gonna last
Speaker 3: because even like the ten o'clock showing for Oppenheimer, like
Speaker 3: you're gonna get out at like one, maybe one thirty
Speaker 3: depending on previews, and it's.
Speaker 4: Just completely sold out. Like that's that's so in my
Speaker 4: mind unheard of.
Speaker 5: I want to do it like a bread and Butter
Speaker 5: or something, maybe even talking about an afroninm but just
Speaker 5: like how much this has exploded. Yeah, we should two
Speaker 5: movies because it's a really interesting kind of phenomenon here.
Speaker 5: It's like it's an event more than just two movies releasing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, and it's like the both of them,
Speaker 1: like they just a week ago Oppenheimer was going in
Speaker 1: with a forty million projection and like literally doubled it.
Speaker 1: Barbie was like at a ninety biggest open year beat Mario.
Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy like these crowds because my Oppenheim
Speaker 1: one was packed for pretty much in the first two roles.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go see Barbie on Monday, but I looked
Speaker 1: at tickets. We couldn't because the girls, I'm see it,
Speaker 1: that's all like they're all sold, like three pm showings
Speaker 1: are sold. I'm like, who's working right now like these?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting. I love it because it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny, like I feel like the last few
Speaker 1: bigger movies we went to, like India Impossible, where like
Speaker 1: there's people, but it's not that like that packed house,
Speaker 1: and both of these were. So it's an interesting time.
Speaker 1: So Clay Well a few calls for the chat Forgether
Speaker 1: my only proms boyd Holbrook was not being in No
Speaker 1: No One. We'll do something with them one day Long
Speaker 1: Live a Talking Drama. Killing it at the box off
Speaker 1: was absolutely Julia says Julia. Sorry, my heart was pounding
Speaker 1: for the Trinity scene. I think we'd all agree there
Speaker 1: when we get into it. No, he's always the best
Speaker 1: at the time, the clicking like making you fix something,
Speaker 1: thing's gonna happen, and then the score was phenomenal. Did
Speaker 1: not fill the run team either, says and Maddy has
Speaker 1: a question or a Patreon question that we'll get into
Speaker 1: after the spoiler break here. So yeah, if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen the movie, get out of here. It'll be sitting here.
Speaker 1: So we'll take our first break and then we'll be
Speaker 1: right back talking about So we'll be back, and we're back.
Speaker 1: So we kind of touched upon. But Manny had two questions.
Speaker 1: One is, do you have a favorite performance? So do
Speaker 1: you have an m VP of this movie of the actor?
Speaker 1: You know, Killian was great, you know, Dan was great,
Speaker 1: Blunt was great, Like she's not end that much, but
Speaker 1: my gosh, really good scene. So Curtly you got an MVP.
Speaker 3: I Yeah, I feel like I would have to pick
Speaker 3: Killian just because he is the lead, has the most
Speaker 3: most time on screen, and I just was already like
Speaker 3: just loving him so much from his previous Rouk specifically
Speaker 3: Peaky Blinders, just like seeing where like the levels that
Speaker 3: he'd reach in that, and it it's like, I know,
Speaker 3: that's like a like a great perform a great role
Speaker 3: that he got for the role of Thomas Shelby in
Speaker 3: Peaky Blinders. But I feel like in my mind it's
Speaker 3: just like, uh, that was like a trial run for
Speaker 3: like this, because there's so many emotions that that character
Speaker 3: has that's like so similar to what he was shown
Speaker 3: in Oppenheimer here of like being that cocky guy moments,
Speaker 3: but also just like almost PTSD or like just like
Speaker 3: that super anxiety moments that he has. So I would
Speaker 3: have to pick him, but my, my, my number two
Speaker 3: shiny star, I would actually have to pick Emily Blunt
Speaker 3: just for like the sheer, sheer sorrow and dread that
Speaker 3: she shows throughout this movie. Like I did not spect again,
Speaker 3: like I don't know anything about like the historical facts
Speaker 3: of these movies, but man, I was not expecting her
Speaker 3: character to be like that, just so so like damaged
Speaker 3: in just trying to balance like the mother life and
Speaker 3: just all the stress of what's going on with her
Speaker 3: husband and just just her life. Sent Like she just
Speaker 3: showed so much pain in moments, but also a lot
Speaker 3: of strength and being like a real good, like solid
Speaker 3: foundation for Oppenheimer because like everything that he's going through
Speaker 3: and then he has this like pillar of support next
Speaker 3: to him that is also going through her own her
Speaker 3: own issues and stuff. So yeah, I was just shocked
Speaker 3: by the few screen time, the few the short amount
Speaker 3: of time that she was on screen. It was just like,
Speaker 3: I was just totally blown away by her performance of
Speaker 3: even if she isn't saying anything, if it's just in
Speaker 3: the back, but just showing like so much pain in
Speaker 3: a particular moment, you know, she's in an interviewing and
Speaker 3: picturing her husband screwing some other chick.
Speaker 4: It's just it blew me away.
Speaker 3: I I feel like I haven't seen that Emily, that
Speaker 3: side of Emily Blunt and maybe ever honestly, I've only
Speaker 3: seen a handful of things with her, but yeah, I
Speaker 3: was totally blown away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that scene when she's going back and forth
Speaker 1: with Jason Clark at the end, which Dylan remember Jason
Speaker 1: Clark because remember there's you saw him in one movie
Speaker 1: and you're like, I've never seen this guy and anything
Speaker 1: else like it, and it was like a really bad movie.
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember what it was. But then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's an apes in this You're like, no, I've never
Speaker 1: see he's look at him again, I think he's this
Speaker 1: guy that tilm.
Speaker 5: I recognize him now from like pet Cemetery, even though
Speaker 5: I never watched it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember when we're watching them. When I was
Speaker 2: watching the movie, I'm like, oh, man, where is he from?
Speaker 2: Where is he from?
Speaker 5: And then when I looked at his IMDb and he
Speaker 5: didn't have that big old wig or maybe that's his
Speaker 5: actual hair.
Speaker 1: It's sexual hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, well, good job he really grew that out. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Without that, it's like, oh yeah, that Sam takeout. But
Speaker 5: I do remember those memes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out me and Briggs of review that somewhere
Speaker 1: down the line. But yeah, that scene with her, her
Speaker 1: and Jason Clark was like this toe to toe of
Speaker 1: him just trying to man on her and just trying
Speaker 1: to be like overpowering, kind of make her seem like
Speaker 1: an idiot, and man, she's just throwing questions back. It
Speaker 1: was the delivery of it. She I like her in
Speaker 1: the entire movie because, like you're saying, Kirk, when that
Speaker 1: character has to kind of be a shield for Oppenheimer
Speaker 1: and take a law of the you know, raise the kids,
Speaker 1: worry about the home life. So that's why when he's
Speaker 1: which I get it, you know, of course his ex
Speaker 1: wife ends up dead and he's freaking out. I love
Speaker 1: that she just kind of gets like, you don't get
Speaker 1: to do this, Like you you're the most important man here.
Speaker 1: My life is kind of messed up right now because
Speaker 1: I'm just supporting you. You got to pull your shit
Speaker 1: together because I got these two kids, I got an
Speaker 1: alcohol problem. People know, you're sleeping around with other people here,
Speaker 1: like everything bad. And it's a very classic That was
Speaker 1: how marriage was back in the day, right It was
Speaker 1: more of a it was more of a no. I
Speaker 1: won't say for everybody, but there's a lot of marriages
Speaker 1: back in the day that were more in agreement and
Speaker 1: not like an arrangement. But just like it wouldn't matter
Speaker 1: if your husband was chooting on you had to stick
Speaker 1: by your husband. It wouldn't matter this. It's like divorce
Speaker 1: was back then seen as a terrible thing. You would
Speaker 1: be like shutned upon, like, oh, you've been divorced. So
Speaker 1: I think she did a good job of even though
Speaker 1: at times that character I don't think I like the
Speaker 1: character because there's stuff with the kids. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is you know, but that's where it's like this
Speaker 1: all these characters have these fine lines, yeah, good ones
Speaker 1: to shout out, so done anything on bloot Well yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I want to talk more about her
Speaker 5: because I feel like that's maybe one of my acting
Speaker 5: is good.
Speaker 2: I agree with you guys. My weak point would maybe
Speaker 2: be on the character writing of it.
Speaker 5: And it's a tricky thing right where I you know,
Speaker 5: I guess maybe disclosure for all of us, Like I
Speaker 5: don't think any of us really know any of these
Speaker 5: people's like actual history or life, right, so we're basing
Speaker 5: it off of like, Okay, there was a book written
Speaker 5: about this stuff, and now we're basing on like Nolan
Speaker 5: reading that book and then like you know, you know,
Speaker 5: there's this perspective yeah, yeah, exactly, So who knows what
Speaker 5: this actual person was? Like I really have no idea,
Speaker 5: but so maybe she was just a terrible person. But
Speaker 5: to me, like you know, between the the cheating element
Speaker 5: of it, between like abandoning their kid and then like
Speaker 5: having more kids later on, and then like yeah, when
Speaker 5: she's supposed to be watching a kid, like just being
Speaker 5: kind of incoherently drunk and completely ignorant. Like, to me,
Speaker 5: I felt like there was so much thrown on her
Speaker 5: to make her seem like such a bad person that
Speaker 5: I don't think I really ever had that side of
Speaker 5: like sympathy, like under I understand that it's a difficult
Speaker 5: situation to be put in, but I maybe there could
Speaker 5: have been another scene or two that showed more about her.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's tricky thing because this is so
Speaker 5: he was called Oppenheimer, and you know, it's not about
Speaker 5: the other Oppenheimer's about.
Speaker 2: Robert, like it's about this one Appenheimer.
Speaker 5: It's his story. It's everything circles around him. But I
Speaker 5: think she could have used a little bit more developing
Speaker 5: the other side of things, unless you know, truly she
Speaker 5: is just not a good person and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5: But I agree that I always want to call it
Speaker 5: the trial, but what would call that meeting? Because it's well,
Speaker 5: they always saying that it's not a trial, but it's
Speaker 5: that it's a.
Speaker 2: Lot like it.
Speaker 4: It's like a I can't hearing or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is that hearing scene, close hearing, close hearing
Speaker 1: because the room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we get definitely the highlight scene for her. Every
Speaker 5: line she's snapping back like it was, you know, sixteen
Speaker 5: years ago, I had that card seventeen, he starts talking
Speaker 5: eighteen years, she like keeps cutting him back to him.
Speaker 5: I really liked that whole sequence. I thought that was
Speaker 5: that was really good from her. So yeah, I think
Speaker 5: I just maybe wanted a bit more of that other
Speaker 5: side of the character if it if it existed, and
Speaker 5: even if it didn't, I think that would be a
Speaker 5: good thing that you could fudge the reality of it
Speaker 5: a bit and add a couple of scenes here or
Speaker 5: there to maybe add a bit more to the sympathy
Speaker 5: side of her. But it sounds like you guys didn't
Speaker 5: really have that particular issue with the character.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I was like, it's kind of not
Speaker 1: open him was as bad. But I feel like he's
Speaker 1: also a character that's in gray. You know, he's very selfish.
Speaker 1: He makes a lot of greedy moves, And that's where
Speaker 1: I guess for me, it was more that I was
Speaker 1: buying their partnership more than her being a great person.
Speaker 1: Because I with Oppenheimer, I feel I feel that not
Speaker 1: that he's not great. It's hard because it's you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know the story, but from the way this
Speaker 1: movie presents them, I wouldn't say he was a bad person.
Speaker 1: But I feel like he was a regretful person and
Speaker 1: there was maybe a great person in there, but he
Speaker 1: repressed it all too for the work, right, that was
Speaker 1: always the work had to be done. So that so
Speaker 1: it's like, you can't even if someone is a great
Speaker 1: person beneath, if they're not a great person on the outside,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't give them that right. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: my intention was this. It felt like maybe more down
Speaker 1: the line and we'll get into the close tearing. There's
Speaker 1: certain things maybe that character did in this movie to
Speaker 1: try to push that forward of a not a bad person.
Speaker 1: But that's why I guess it didn't affect me that
Speaker 1: both these maybe all these characters, I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a single character in here that doesn't have a
Speaker 1: shade of great because you're dealing with the army, a war,
Speaker 1: and a weapon of mass genoside. I'm just trying to think,
Speaker 1: I there's anybody.
Speaker 3: What about Rammy Mallock's character, I don't even remember. Yeah,
Speaker 3: mister Hill, Sure, he's just there to expose the truth.
Speaker 3: These are just taking notes. Yeah he's a nice little and.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah and maybe yeah, and maybe all then Aaron
Speaker 1: Rays character too, where the second he learns what's really
Speaker 1: going on, he shifts right away, which you go, okay,
Speaker 1: good guy right there. But yeah, that's that's I guess
Speaker 1: where I didn't have a problem, where I was fine
Speaker 1: with From a selfish point of view, I feel like
Speaker 1: both both the children were probably mistakes to me the
Speaker 1: way the movie proposed that because they got together and
Speaker 1: she was pregnant already and they had to go get
Speaker 1: her divorce just so they get married. So I feel
Speaker 1: like in her vision it was gonna be her and
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer against the world, But then it was, well, you
Speaker 1: don't get to really be a part of the journey
Speaker 1: because you're pregnant, and then maybe another kid, and now
Speaker 1: you're kind of secluded back there, and even more times
Speaker 1: for him to go have affairs, because you guarantee when
Speaker 1: he gets home and he's stressed and she's drunk dancing
Speaker 1: and there's a baby crying, they're probably not having a
Speaker 1: big romantic life now, right, And that those horse rides
Speaker 1: they used to do together, they only do that one
Speaker 1: other time when he's freaking out about his ex wife
Speaker 1: in the movie, So even that time when they to
Speaker 1: be alone is not Greace I guess there was one
Speaker 1: more in the middle, but that was after they dumped
Speaker 1: the kids. So it's like, this isn't really a romantic thing.
Speaker 1: This is literally in that conversation all parts like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're terrible people, and she's like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the cars are doubts. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I have great performance, but yeah, not the not the
Speaker 1: greatest person, you know. It's uh, you know what about you?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, character wise other than that, like I don't know, obviously,
Speaker 5: killing Murphy is is the star is the beasknees. He
Speaker 5: gets the most content, and I feel like he gets
Speaker 5: the most on that on that side of you know,
Speaker 5: everyone being kind of in that gray area.
Speaker 2: He gets a lot of content on either side.
Speaker 5: He gets to do a lot more acting than other
Speaker 5: characters who are generally more flat characters but are still
Speaker 5: you know, effective for what they're trying to be in here.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I guess I would just shout out
Speaker 5: Florence Pugh as well, who gets to do some pretty
Speaker 5: emotional stuff in here, and she's always great, so that's
Speaker 5: not a surprise for all all the Pew boys here,
Speaker 5: so oh it's to her, But yeah, I feel like, honestly,
Speaker 5: other than Killing Murphy, like you know, spoiler when Golden
Speaker 5: Geeks coming around, like no one else is getting known.
Speaker 2: For me, like it's it's Killian Murphy and that's that's
Speaker 2: it from this movie.
Speaker 5: And I don't really have like I don't think there's
Speaker 5: a problem with that because it's about him, you know,
Speaker 5: it's all He's He's at the center of that solar
Speaker 5: system of this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, like it is Killian, But I think
Speaker 1: why will point out because I know people go because
Speaker 1: he's the main star. I feel like there's many movies
Speaker 1: we reviewed over these eight years where someone canna have
Speaker 1: the ball of screen time, but that's not who you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You walk away like, oh, but this performance
Speaker 1: going on, you know, so it's killing easy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's a goal. Like to me, it's like we'll
Speaker 1: have to see. To me, he's like a goal, like
Speaker 1: we got a six five months left, but he's like
Speaker 1: my bullet point, Like this is my vote. I don't
Speaker 1: know how else I can go anywhere else right now.
Speaker 1: I have to look at the whole paper when we
Speaker 1: get there. So great performance. But yeah, for me, it
Speaker 1: was like I talked about nun Swarbs was Downy. I
Speaker 1: really loved his scenes, and it was the editing as well,
Speaker 1: because when we meet him, he seems like such a
Speaker 1: nice character. And I think it's because we've seen shades
Speaker 1: of it, but Downy hasn't worked these He's always the
Speaker 1: likable asshole, right, and there's maybe a shade of it
Speaker 1: here and there. But I love at the and when
Speaker 1: everything is going to shit Whin he looks like he
Speaker 1: has in the bag and it's like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the trial, it's gonna go fine, we'll get you vote,
Speaker 1: we'll get you on the whatever it is, the a
Speaker 1: sea in the house or whatever they're going for, and
Speaker 1: he has this reputation and I love again it's the
Speaker 1: editing where the first scene we seen of him, Oppenheimer
Speaker 1: seems pretty friendly. He's wanted to introduce him with alb Ryinstein.
Speaker 1: We get that one scene of Killan Murphy making a
Speaker 1: joke at his expense and he's kind of laughing about it,
Speaker 1: and then later on we get their verse where he's
Speaker 1: not and I just love when he has to give
Speaker 1: that explanation Alden Aaron Reich and some of it's right though,
Speaker 1: that's what I love about him if he's the antagonist
Speaker 1: or villain of the movie. When he talking about where Altenheimer,
Speaker 1: he wants to be the guy in charge. He wants
Speaker 1: his name out there, so you go, Okay, he maybe
Speaker 1: railroaded him unfairly, but these things he's saying aren't untrue.
Speaker 1: And that's where all these areas in Shade of Gray.
Speaker 1: And I love when he finds out that he loses
Speaker 1: because he's like, oh, you want to get the press.
Speaker 1: He's like, do you think of and or Alt? And
Speaker 1: then Alden say, yeah, well you're pretty much in. So
Speaker 1: he's okay, get the press. And when all walks in
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh they didn't pass me, did they?
Speaker 1: And he's and he just tries to put on this
Speaker 1: face and yeah, all of them who I've liked a lot.
Speaker 1: Just Onden Solo has a great performance as well, But No,
Speaker 1: for me, it was Downy because he just he became
Speaker 1: in a movie that has lots of grades, they still
Speaker 1: made him the guy that I was like, yeah, screw
Speaker 1: this guy. Like and when he's getting taken down by Rammy,
Speaker 1: just his his emotions. So that's for me again where
Speaker 1: down his biggest strength in movies is always his talking.
Speaker 1: It was the quiet moment so for me other than
Speaker 1: Kille and he's my MVP, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: he came there, but yeah, I would throw him out
Speaker 1: for supporting because he's I just think he brought a
Speaker 1: lot to it. And also I was not expecting him
Speaker 1: to be in it as much as this I feel
Speaker 1: like trailers, he wasn't and he had like this little
Speaker 1: accent that worked too. I was thought it was gonna
Speaker 1: take me out of it. So no, I thought he
Speaker 1: hit a home run. I really with him and Pugh,
Speaker 1: I really want them to work with or Nolan again
Speaker 1: because I just would love to see what Nolan could
Speaker 1: do with him more than obviously Pugh. She's in it
Speaker 1: and great, but it's a very it's an appetizer type
Speaker 1: of role, right, it could have been not could have
Speaker 1: been any buddy. She brings a certain gravitas to it,
Speaker 1: but it's one that, okay, I'd like to see kind
Speaker 1: of like with Robby and Tarantino. Whar Okay. I liked
Speaker 1: her once upon time Hollywood, but I'd love to see
Speaker 1: Robbie with like a full Tarantino script and get to
Speaker 1: go to town. So yeah, I think that would be.
Speaker 1: And honestly, actually I would shout Jason Clark because he's
Speaker 1: just such an asshole. He's such a good job being
Speaker 1: a break that you hate and you know the railroad
Speaker 1: in him, and you just he's such a like a smarmy,
Speaker 1: smarmy guy in those scenes and you don't there's nothing
Speaker 1: redeemable him at all. He thinks he's doing right because
Speaker 1: that's over. He's just like he's all fine, he moves on. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: a mini shout to Jason Clark, who, again, really, if
Speaker 1: you put it all together, it's probably fifteen twenty minutes
Speaker 1: in a three hour movie, but he delivers big time there.
Speaker 1: So and then the other question that Matty said was
Speaker 1: what was your favorite moment from Oppenheimer? Do you have
Speaker 1: a particular moment scene conversation? Oh, I don't want if
Speaker 1: you guys want.
Speaker 4: To think, I feel like I could.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, if I had more time to stew
Speaker 3: on it and then compare different scenes, I could probably
Speaker 3: come up with a large amount because it's just such
Speaker 3: a long movie that's just top tier quality. But the
Speaker 3: one popping around my head is actually like that twist
Speaker 3: when Robert Oppenheimer finally like just realizes kind of the
Speaker 3: because like, yeah, like you don't really have time to
Speaker 3: think about like moral obligations or anything throughout this movie.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a good point that they like
Speaker 3: emphasize in It's just like you're racing against the Nazis
Speaker 3: to have the biggest bomb of the world, Like you
Speaker 3: don't have time to think about like, yeah, your kids
Speaker 3: at home, you don't have time to think about who's
Speaker 3: sleeping with you.
Speaker 4: We don't have time to think about any of this.
Speaker 4: It's just this has to happen, and we don't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then around the time with like the test
Speaker 3: and everyone's just super super pumped and it's all going well,
Speaker 3: and then Oppenheimer just it hits him of like like
Speaker 3: he's basically the Prometheus role here that he's just gonna
Speaker 3: be like he's bringing fire to like to man, he's
Speaker 3: giving them the weapon to destroy themselves. And then like
Speaker 3: that weight is actually hitting. And that's like the one
Speaker 3: thing about Oppenheimer, like that famous quote, you know, I've
Speaker 3: become death destroyer worlds, Like that's like the one thing
Speaker 3: that I knew about him than that he's the one
Speaker 3: that made the Adam bomb. So I was really excited
Speaker 3: for that moment, and I don't think they disappointed with
Speaker 3: just showcasing that that like weight, that that moment when
Speaker 3: you just have a second like that just great anxiety
Speaker 3: that comes to him of just like I, like I,
Speaker 3: even if we don't ignite the atmosphere here and kill
Speaker 3: us all like instantly, like where does this end? This
Speaker 3: doesn't end anywhere like like this, like this if they
Speaker 3: choose to keep using these types of bombs like this
Speaker 3: just destroys all of humanity And just all of those
Speaker 3: moments with the really intense editing of showing the people
Speaker 3: like melting when everyone's celebrating and he's just completely freaking out.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember where or how that that scene
Speaker 3: like starts or ends, but just like that particular moment
Speaker 3: of the movie, it just it it It hit me
Speaker 3: so hard. I honestly, I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 3: like the big bomb explosion that was like the most
Speaker 3: uh memorable scene for me. But it was that moment
Speaker 3: of just him him realizing what's happening there, and then
Speaker 3: that's kind of when he takes that morality shift in
Speaker 3: the movie of just like this probably isn't the right
Speaker 3: idea to just let America government have this. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I just thought that was done so well. And I'm
Speaker 3: glad because that was the one thing that I like
Speaker 3: remember or sorry, knew beforehand was gonna happen, and they
Speaker 3: did a really good job of showcasing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like Maddie's the same, and i'd piggyback
Speaker 1: that I was the same. Yeah, specifically the gymnasium, because
Speaker 1: I love that. Even in the trailer, is that sound
Speaker 1: of them stomping on the bleachers. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a train this whole time, you know, I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: every time I saw a train, like this must be
Speaker 1: a train. So it was just like a train. But no,
Speaker 1: it starts that way where they're all stomping and cheering
Speaker 1: and he walks out, and I do love that, Like
Speaker 1: that's the one that's gonna stick with me for weeks.
Speaker 1: That's like there's two scenes that I guess they're small. Well,
Speaker 1: the two scenes are really horrish. And when he walks
Speaker 1: out and they're all cheering and he's giving his speech
Speaker 1: and he'll say something and then it cuts a sun
Speaker 1: and I just love it. Be like, oh, too bad,
Speaker 1: we didn't have for those Germans. And he'll say it
Speaker 1: and then it's dead silent, but everyone stands up and clap,
Speaker 1: and it's one of these things that he's he's like
Speaker 1: playing a role because he doesn't want people to feel
Speaker 1: disappointed because he doesn't in this mode want to spurt.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, this was a big mistake. We
Speaker 1: really screwed up. People have been there for four years,
Speaker 1: they moved their whole family there, so he wants to
Speaker 1: be raw. He wants to push that narrative for that
Speaker 1: he's a part of the country. And also this is
Speaker 1: not too far from Matt Daan when they got the bomb.
Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, you're gonna let me know what happens.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I'll call you and tell you what
Speaker 1: I can. So it's like the second he makes the bomb,
Speaker 1: that's done. They're kind of out and we get that
Speaker 1: more throughout the movie, but it's like it's not your
Speaker 1: creation anymore per se. Once you give them recipe, they
Speaker 1: can cook it anytime. And when you just get that
Speaker 1: shot of I love anytime in the movie, they do
Speaker 1: multi times with the wall would shake behind him and
Speaker 1: make it look like a bomb's about to go off,
Speaker 1: and just that shot of the girl that's clapping and
Speaker 1: her face is health none off and you got it's like,
Speaker 1: that's where it's great. When he's fat, that whole thing. Quiet,
Speaker 1: quiet comes in there. And then when he walks out,
Speaker 1: you have the couple that's and it's funny too because
Speaker 1: the way they shoot it, you don't know if these
Speaker 1: are actually happening or if it's in his mind, because
Speaker 1: you got this couple that's crying behind the bleachers, and
Speaker 1: then you have a guy that's throwing up, and it's
Speaker 1: just because in my mind, like, why is this guy
Speaker 1: throwing up? He could just be throwing up because he's drunk.
Speaker 1: But Oppenheimer's reading a different way because at this point,
Speaker 1: I guess they would be seeing some of the effects
Speaker 1: of the bomb. So even if it's other characters starting
Speaker 1: to feel like him, that scene is definitely you know
Speaker 1: that technically you should feel like the bomb going off
Speaker 1: is the most intense part, but that is that's like
Speaker 1: a GG best scene for me. It's just that realization
Speaker 1: the gymnasium, just everything the visuals and the cheering and
Speaker 1: the audio, those silent like moments. That was such a
Speaker 1: great choice.
Speaker 2: To do it there, So yeah, I completely agree. I
Speaker 2: mean I got a shout out the.
Speaker 5: Scene of them testing the bomb earlier on just because
Speaker 5: that's so well done. It's so well shot, this is
Speaker 5: spence intention of it, and then just the silence of
Speaker 5: it is so impactful, and obviously the sound like comes
Speaker 5: in later with that kind of delayed effect. But everyone
Speaker 5: has their different setup. Whether it's the one guy in
Speaker 5: the car who's like, oh, the windshield's gonnat protect me,
Speaker 5: and the guy's like what about the wind sheer? You
Speaker 5: know what, the child comes through. Everyone's got their different technique.
Speaker 5: The one guy's trying to like sneak a peek even
Speaker 5: though he should be in the control room. So that's
Speaker 5: a lot of fun moments there, but it's also like
Speaker 5: pretty devastating and scary and obviously, like you spent so
Speaker 5: much time in the movie like building up to this
Speaker 5: point and that's really the only like actual bomb that
Speaker 5: you see obviously, so it's kind of a thing we've
Speaker 5: been expecting to see during this movie. But yeah, there's
Speaker 5: so many I think it'd be tricky for me to
Speaker 5: classify with the starter end of it would be, But really,
Speaker 5: just when we have all the reveals, like when we
Speaker 5: know who the Mole is, we know that Strass has
Speaker 5: kind of been the one who's instigating everything, and we're
Speaker 5: just having these kind of back and forth scenes of
Speaker 5: the closed hearing as we're calling it, and then like
Speaker 5: Strauss and him under like seeing what's going on, or
Speaker 5: maybe it's cutting to the scene when he's being I
Speaker 5: guess interrogated in front of I guess during that what
Speaker 5: might be a trial, or don't know all the names
Speaker 5: and terminology for all this, but the cutting back and
Speaker 5: forth there when like everything is kind of coming together.
Speaker 5: I think it's so interesting because obviously, as you mentioned, Kirklan,
Speaker 5: like Nolan's always doing like big crazy plot twists or
Speaker 5: you don't really know what's going on, so it's not
Speaker 5: even really just twist. But when things finally click together,
Speaker 5: it's like this big revelatory moment. And it's like there's
Speaker 5: moments like this in this movie with Strauss and with
Speaker 5: with the Mole and stuff like that, but they're not
Speaker 5: really played in that big way like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: this huge plot twist that just changes everything. They're kind
Speaker 5: of more subtle, like just details that are thrown in there,
Speaker 5: and you can kind of just put it now in
Speaker 5: like this list of facts and things like that that
Speaker 5: you're looking at when you think about all this stuff
Speaker 5: that's been going on here. So that sequence is really good,
Speaker 5: and they kind of just a low key showed up.
Speaker 5: But I really enjoyed the scene when they've built the
Speaker 5: bomb at this point where they're almost finished and they're
Speaker 5: in I don't know who's off it is, but this
Speaker 5: is the one scene like James remar is that is
Speaker 5: his name for.
Speaker 2: That scene.
Speaker 5: I don't know why, because if you compare it to
Speaker 5: some of the other ones, it's not as cinematic or
Speaker 5: anything like that. But I just thought the way that
Speaker 5: was edited and shot and how all these characters are
Speaker 5: gonna go on back and forth, I felt that was
Speaker 5: like a very compelling scene for me. And the fact
Speaker 5: that it's you know, Oppenheimer's there in that meeting and
Speaker 5: it's kind of people who are above him.
Speaker 2: We're going to make the.
Speaker 5: Decisions of where the bombs going, what they're going to
Speaker 5: do with it in the strategy, and they're just trying
Speaker 5: to pull the information out of him one because he's
Speaker 5: very smart and he's I guess he's thought about this
Speaker 5: stuff a lot, but I think it's mostly just because
Speaker 5: he's the smartest guy in the room kind of thing,
Speaker 5: and they're trying to pull that information out of him
Speaker 5: and he really doesn't want to because at this point
Speaker 5: he's like, I don't think we should really use it,
Speaker 5: Like the fact that we have it was maybe enough
Speaker 5: to scare them off.
Speaker 2: Then he's like, okay, but.
Speaker 5: If you were to use it, like where on this
Speaker 5: map do you think you would choose to land it?
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.
Speaker 5: And I found that scene like really compelling as well,
Speaker 5: maybe more of a low key shot. I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's a Golden Geek contender, but that's that scene
Speaker 5: really stuck out to me as well.
Speaker 3: Definitely worthy of a shout out though, because I, yeah,
Speaker 3: I love that scene. I had agree with that guy's name.
Speaker 3: I forgot he was the Dexter Dad. Yeah, But just
Speaker 3: like something that really stuck with me in that scene
Speaker 3: too was how much weight is like on these people's
Speaker 3: decisions of just like where this weapon of mass destruction
Speaker 3: is just gonna be dropped? And like the one guy
Speaker 3: is like, let's not do Kyoto because I like to
Speaker 3: vacation there, and like just not even thinking about Yeah,
Speaker 3: like not even the people that are like there and all,
Speaker 3: like the thousands of innocens of people that are just
Speaker 3: gonna get murdered from this bomb, Like they just don't
Speaker 3: even like it, says if they don't have a moral
Speaker 3: compass that moment, it's just like, Okay, we'll like we'll
Speaker 3: drop it here because of a strategic purposes. But then
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna pull a little variable here, and
Speaker 3: I don't want to drop it there because of my
Speaker 3: own selfish reasons. Me and my wife like to go there.
Speaker 3: Like it was just something that really stuck with me
Speaker 3: in that moment. It's just like, man, these type of
Speaker 3: decisions are probably just made every single day, you know,
Speaker 3: from like the the powers that run the world. It's
Speaker 3: just such a fucked up idea and again just something
Speaker 3: that the filmmakers is such a good job at like
Speaker 3: shining a light on of just like this is, I
Speaker 3: don't know, just a really really well telling. That's a
Speaker 3: weird way to say that, a really good telling of
Speaker 3: just a really fucked up thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I think that's when because also a
Speaker 1: whole move I know where it's going, Like we know
Speaker 1: what happens, but I think that scens So I'm glad
Speaker 1: you show that done with a first time. I felt
Speaker 1: really not with our characters anymore. And it's tough, right
Speaker 1: because you do have that's war every time, right where
Speaker 1: it's okay, what do you do? Because there's that argument
Speaker 1: what if they were to find this out, they would
Speaker 1: just bomb you? It ends the war, but you're still
Speaker 1: talking about They portray the scene as these people talking
Speaker 1: about it so carelessly. It's just any decision, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that that remark of James. We're like, yeah, we went
Speaker 1: to a honeymoon there and we don't want to We
Speaker 1: don't want to lose that. And I love too that
Speaker 1: it infers the trial or is the the hearing later
Speaker 1: on because they're they go, oh, you were a part
Speaker 1: of the decision of where it was to drop, but
Speaker 1: not Appenheimer really wasn't you know? He was there trying
Speaker 1: of giving other advice, saying like what if we you know,
Speaker 1: told them about the bomb, like he was trying to
Speaker 1: express him and the science, you know, community's concerns or
Speaker 1: what they should think about. And we see like later
Speaker 1: on when he gives up bomb way, he's like, oh
Speaker 1: it has to drop higher and like, Oh, don't worry,
Speaker 1: we got it from here. But I love that they
Speaker 1: kind of threw that in his face about he was
Speaker 1: like they made its, not like he was the one
Speaker 1: to decide. These were the two places where he really
Speaker 1: wasn't and he didn't want to even launch in July,
Speaker 1: and they're they're like, oh yeah in July, and Matt Dames, yeah, July.
Speaker 1: And you see Oppenheimer stressing out because he said, like
Speaker 1: August maybe like the minimum the earliest that it could happen,
Speaker 1: and Matt Dame's like, yeah, July. So it's this whole
Speaker 1: scene of again he helped create this bomb, but this
Speaker 1: is the beginnings, and I'm starting to get railroaded of
Speaker 1: sure that you're very important to a degree. And then once,
Speaker 1: like I said, once, it's like a magician. It's feels
Speaker 1: very much like the prestige and that and lots of
Speaker 1: this movie feels a lot like prestige far as the
Speaker 1: timeline and the way Nolan shows these characters that are
Speaker 1: all in gray area, but that idea of and prestige.
Speaker 1: He never want to give up the trick because then
Speaker 1: when you do your you're useless. No one cares about
Speaker 1: you anymore. And that's Oppenheimer the bomb. The second he
Speaker 1: gives up the trick and how to make it, he
Speaker 1: is kind of useless. And then they try and get
Speaker 1: rid of him because you know, you get this whole
Speaker 1: conversation during the hearing of I can't remember who plays
Speaker 1: his friend, but he talks about how you know, he's
Speaker 1: just giving his opinion on what happened and what could
Speaker 1: go forward, and they want to shut him out, which
Speaker 1: obviously has a lot of you know, context even for
Speaker 1: today and what you can say what you can and
Speaker 1: there's a whole brombder of yes and no and red
Speaker 1: eye thumbnails and all that stuff. Right, But I think
Speaker 1: with this they're doing a good job of they should
Speaker 1: be allowed to express concerns. But you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: technically own the bomb, so he shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 1: do that, and it's against America.
Speaker 4: So that.
Speaker 1: Talking about wiping all these people up, even him just
Speaker 1: saying what if you just drop one bomb? They go, well, no,
Speaker 1: we need to drop too. They just pretty much they
Speaker 1: don't even say we They just like, we're dropping too,
Speaker 1: no matter what we're dropping too.
Speaker 5: That was very I think that moments really stuck with
Speaker 5: me too, because I had never really thought about that
Speaker 5: and maybe that's just a history not knowing enough history
Speaker 5: on Miam, but like never, I always knew there was
Speaker 5: two bombs draw, but I didn't really know why there
Speaker 5: was two. And the fact of the reasoning is, first one,
Speaker 5: you know, you gotta do it, just show that we
Speaker 5: can do it, and second one just to show that
Speaker 5: you can do it again and it's reutable. And that's
Speaker 5: like the most fucked up thought ever that that is
Speaker 5: the reason why they decided to drop the second one.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, that also really stuck with me.
Speaker 1: And that and that's the like we talked about so
Speaker 1: many movies, right, And that's why I love It's the
Speaker 1: conversation between him and I forget he's one of the
Speaker 1: Safty brothers who he obviously directed Uncut Gems and uh.
Speaker 4: Oh Benny, Benny, oh God, and what is the A.
Speaker 1: Good time with Robert Pass and check other movies fantastic directors.
Speaker 1: But they have this conversation about if you didn't drop
Speaker 1: the second bomb, or even the first bomb, but just
Speaker 1: about the bombs in general, because that was Oppenheimer's other
Speaker 1: points and scientists that they said well, why are we
Speaker 1: dropping these bombs because they are on the like the
Speaker 1: edge of losing already, like that we've kind of won
Speaker 1: the war and it's really you know, government side was
Speaker 1: what we want to really put a final nail on
Speaker 1: it and show other enemies, right that it couldn't happen.
Speaker 1: And they have that conversation about do you think the
Speaker 1: war would have you know, ended either way without the bomb,
Speaker 1: And that's what kind of makes his work, I think
Speaker 1: even worse, is if it could end without him dropping
Speaker 1: that bomb, because one he's not responsible along with other people,
Speaker 1: the deaths and you know, poison and sickness of all
Speaker 1: these people, and to what people could do going war. Right,
Speaker 1: So this is what I was thinking, because maybe not,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't drop the bomb and keep the war
Speaker 1: keeps going on, or the Russia war doesn't become a
Speaker 1: cold war, right, because that's one of the theories. That's
Speaker 1: why it became a cold war because they didn't want
Speaker 1: nukes getting dropped on them. So it was a lot
Speaker 1: of spy stuff and hidden families. So it's a great
Speaker 1: conversation they have about, you know, it's a chicken and
Speaker 1: egg thing, would it you know, would have ended no
Speaker 1: matter what, or would have kept going, and it's a
Speaker 1: good thing we dropped the bomb. And then obviously the
Speaker 1: Safty brother he takes it the other way because he
Speaker 1: wants to keep going and do more at the bombs
Speaker 1: and push further. And Oppenheimer's kind like, I think we've
Speaker 1: we've we've done it, like this should be the cap
Speaker 1: of where and then he answers, right, he goes, well,
Speaker 1: someone's always gonna build a bigger bomb, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's true. So again, it's not a it's not a
Speaker 1: black and white movie, even though at times it is
Speaker 1: literally a black and white movie, but it's many areas and.
Speaker 3: Like that guy's motivation too. Maybe I missed something, But
Speaker 3: for me personally, I just always took it that he
Speaker 3: was just motivated by the science. Like he doesn't even
Speaker 3: necessarily care about making the biggest bomb. It's just he
Speaker 3: thinks that the hydra bomb is just would be so
Speaker 3: much more effective because of the science and like the
Speaker 3: what he studies, And like this movie has so many
Speaker 3: different scientists on it, and I feel like they do
Speaker 3: a good job at just showing and again, like this
Speaker 3: is a long movie. Maybe I miss something here. But
Speaker 3: I feel like there wasn't really any moments where like
Speaker 3: the actual scientists that are like doing these things are like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, like this is just giving me such a
Speaker 3: great explosion and have this amount of casualties, Like they
Speaker 3: really are just focusing on the project, and because the
Speaker 3: science is so important to them, that's just what they're
Speaker 3: motivated by. But then you have characters like Matt Damon
Speaker 3: who's he's just a general. He doesn't know anything about
Speaker 3: the physics of what this world, like what this is.
Speaker 3: It's just all about what this means for the war
Speaker 3: effort or the strategy. And and then you have like
Speaker 3: the politicians, right and their motivations. Like I think Nolan
Speaker 3: and crew did a good job at just showcasing the
Speaker 3: different types of characters motivations, even like some of the
Speaker 3: wives and like their home lives and like just kind
Speaker 3: of what they're focused on, like the pain that Emily
Speaker 3: Blunt's character was going through, but how she was able
Speaker 3: to just be motivated as like a strong shield for Oppenheimer.
Speaker 3: Like everybody kind of had their own different roles and
Speaker 3: positions to play in this village that they made for
Speaker 3: the Manhattan Project to make these big bombs, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I was very I was very just interested in seeing
Speaker 3: how far we're gonna get with the H bomb thing,
Speaker 3: because of course I known of that big that that
Speaker 3: big H bomb word, but I wasn't sure like where
Speaker 3: that was included in just the historical timeline of things,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't know if that was actually gonna be
Speaker 3: talked about in this movie or whatnot.
Speaker 4: So I was a little bit curious about that. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I all all of that stuff with just.
Speaker 3: Where the line where they thought the line or maybe
Speaker 3: they didn't even think about where the line could have
Speaker 3: been drawn, and then of course it just gets it
Speaker 3: just gets too late and like it's already well passed
Speaker 3: the line when you even think about those moments.
Speaker 1: It's the classic Jurassic Park line, right, everyone asked if
Speaker 1: they could before they asked if they should. Right, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, fucking Spilberg them great writing, because I always
Speaker 1: go back to that, and that's what it is. Because
Speaker 1: even the scientists near the end, they start having those
Speaker 1: group meetings right of the alone, and like when Appenheim
Speaker 1: walks in, they all like clap, but they're all very
Speaker 1: It's like when the principal walks in and you've been
Speaker 1: trashing him and not him, but just the idea of
Speaker 1: because they I feel like they're starting to get the
Speaker 1: sense too that the closer they get to completion, they're
Speaker 1: starting to lose control because they kind of know the
Speaker 1: jigs up. They because they're oh, should they be drapped?
Speaker 1: But it does. It's like the sad thing, but it
Speaker 1: is the right thing, right because technically they are employees
Speaker 1: that got hired, they're not. It's the same thing as moving,
Speaker 1: the same thing as us, like you can work, but
Speaker 1: if you don't own the business, you don't get much
Speaker 1: of a say. So this idea of them talking about, hey,
Speaker 1: should you drop a bomb? Should you just maybe give
Speaker 1: a warning because some of them were saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe warn Japan that there's a bomb, But then they go,
Speaker 1: well no, if it doesn't work, and then they strike back.
Speaker 1: But that's I like, the same thing. They're posing all
Speaker 1: these questions, but it doesn't matter because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it can be every science scientist and
Speaker 1: every worker, they're every family member. They're not going to
Speaker 1: get a say, you know, and it's a it's like
Speaker 1: I said, there's gray areas, right because that technically by law.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't, right, because that's it's higher elected officials that
Speaker 1: get to make that say. But it's a human issue,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's good stuff. It's stuff that I
Speaker 1: think that'll be rewarding rewatches too. And that's why it's
Speaker 1: not everyday watch because I don't want to every day
Speaker 1: be thinking about bombs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like like that moral decision of like what would
Speaker 6: I do if I was an Alpenheimer's position, you know,
Speaker 6: because they hit him with that all the time. Of
Speaker 6: if it's not the if it's not Japanese, it's the Russians,
Speaker 6: Like they hit him with all these scenarios.
Speaker 1: If we don't do this, someone else is gonna do
Speaker 1: it too. You and you could argue that. So let's
Speaker 1: ta get a second a break, and we'll lea. We're back,
Speaker 1: and we're back. Where do we want to go next?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 5: I think I want to shout out some smaller characters
Speaker 5: sure in this just because as we've mentioned now, like
Speaker 5: there's just so many surprise actors that bumped up in
Speaker 5: this that I don't know. It's almost like you could
Speaker 5: have a Bengo card and just be having a heyday
Speaker 5: over here. But Alex Wolf popping up as like one
Speaker 5: of the scientists. I like that, you know, between Alex
Speaker 5: Wolf and Florence pugetting a little bit of the ari aster,
Speaker 5: like you know, leading star, like checking those boxes off.
Speaker 2: So obviously a big fan of.
Speaker 5: I don't really think there's anything to say about his character,
Speaker 5: but I like to see him in there. I think
Speaker 5: he's good for what he had to do. I guess
Speaker 5: this act name is Dylan Arnold, who played Frank oppenheim Er,
Speaker 5: his brother who I only recognized from you. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: he was such a surprise to see him here and
Speaker 5: then like what a different kind of role that is.
Speaker 2: And I thought he was very good for what he
Speaker 2: was doing here. I got it.
Speaker 5: The one thing that was very weird to me was
Speaker 5: when they're like older, yeah, and I thought the older him,
Speaker 5: he still looked like he's fucking too.
Speaker 1: Young, too young. Yeah, when they game like they were
Speaker 1: seeing a hairline and thing, It's like he just looks
Speaker 1: stressed up, like you you should have shot him from
Speaker 1: the back maybe, you know, like don't show his face.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like we're gonna in the next
Speaker 1: few years, we're gonna see him, you know. I wish
Speaker 1: just happened before the draft is maybe would have got him,
Speaker 1: but I feel like we're gonna see him. He's pretty
Speaker 1: I think for a young age, he's pretty talented. And
Speaker 1: I'll say I think if no one gets you, it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And that's the thing that's surprising to this
Speaker 1: movie only has one hundred million dollars budgets. So you
Speaker 1: know a lot of these bigger actors they're taking big
Speaker 1: pay cuts, but like why, like, I guarantee you everything
Speaker 1: with the minimum way, yeah, just to get in there.
Speaker 1: Even Matt Damon, he he's on a break from acting.
Speaker 1: They said, the only reason I will stop a break
Speaker 1: is if Nolan called hi. Then I guess, like two
Speaker 1: weeks later, Nolan calls, like I want you to be
Speaker 1: in this movie. He's like, well, sorry, wife, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go do But I think that's it, right. Nolan's just
Speaker 1: that director. If you can work with him. Even That's
Speaker 1: why I think, even like a Pew who's in here
Speaker 1: not that long, if you can work with him, you're
Speaker 1: gonna jump with the chance to work with him, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's uh yeah, mm hmm, yeah. Gary Oldman as
Speaker 2: I YEA.
Speaker 5: Truman just so good, Despicable Human, what a great scene.
Speaker 5: I didn't even recognize him in the in the moment,
Speaker 5: like they did some good job with the the makeup there,
Speaker 5: And obviously that's a mainstay for Nolan.
Speaker 2: I guess he only has he.
Speaker 5: Been in any other than the Batman movies. I'm trying
Speaker 5: to think no, and so I guess it's been quite
Speaker 5: a few years since he's been in one or movie since.
Speaker 2: That was cool to see him.
Speaker 1: Back, and I was hoping because I I think he
Speaker 1: only popped for a little bit and ten a little
Speaker 1: bit Dunkirk. I was hoping that Kane would pop in
Speaker 1: because I think Kane's been in every movie, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't in this Michael Kane. So yeah, And I thought
Speaker 1: it could have worked here by me.
Speaker 2: Old white men there were in this movie. There was
Speaker 2: that chances.
Speaker 5: But I guess maybe the accent. I don't know what
Speaker 5: his American accent is. Yeah, maybe he wouldn't fit or
Speaker 5: something like.
Speaker 1: That, or Canny is gonna old im. Just like I
Speaker 1: don't need to have a five matt scene here, like,
Speaker 1: unless it's a media performance, I don't need to take
Speaker 1: a trip down, you know, because some of those movies
Speaker 1: like Interstellar, he's only in there for a little bit
Speaker 1: in the inception he plays Leo's dad. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just like at that point it felt like I need
Speaker 1: to make sure he's in there. But oldman was great.
Speaker 1: I love when he's walking out, He's like, get that
Speaker 1: crime a man, I'm off But like it's it's.
Speaker 3: There was like a famous quote too that Truman actually said, yeah,
Speaker 3: so yeah, I found that out afterwards.
Speaker 1: But again that's where Oppenheimer's ego is. When you know
Speaker 1: Danny's characters Truman, they're despicable people in a sense. They're
Speaker 1: not like murders and stuff like that, but they're very
Speaker 1: cut through right, well technically true, but that's I do
Speaker 1: like that line where he goes, no one's gonna talk
Speaker 1: when they blame everyone about who killed these people. No
Speaker 1: one's talking about the person that dropped the ball. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the person that chose where to
Speaker 1: drop the ball, or whether they made the bomb and
Speaker 1: drop the ball, Ye built the bomb, who dropped on
Speaker 1: which is like, in a sense, it is like people
Speaker 1: still do talk about Oppenheim, right, and it's office. You know,
Speaker 1: he has this moral conflict, but that is true too
Speaker 1: at the same point where yeah, he didn't choose to
Speaker 1: you know, as we seeing these movies, we don't he
Speaker 1: didn't choose drop it. He or even said we could
Speaker 1: use a warning. And that's where you can see the
Speaker 1: difference is though that even Truman as the president is
Speaker 1: in full war mode and he acknowledges that. You know,
Speaker 1: great line there when he's like, I feel like I
Speaker 1: got blood in my hands. He takes the handkerchief out
Speaker 1: and you want to wipe them off their son. And
Speaker 1: it's so great though that he is, like I said,
Speaker 1: he's in that warmind of he realizes the weight of hey,
Speaker 1: I'm the one that chose to drop this bomb and
Speaker 1: kill them, but he's just kind of over it. He's
Speaker 1: already accepted it and he's not torn that way. And
Speaker 1: it is true where he didn't he didn't choose to
Speaker 1: drop the bomb. Open higher. They commissioned to make the bomb,
Speaker 1: and he made the bomb. They didn't have to drop
Speaker 1: the bomb, and they did. And that's where it is
Speaker 1: an Oppenheimer, where he's kind of an ego thing of
Speaker 1: you can still feel guilty about doing that, but that
Speaker 1: guy is still the one that had the bigger choice
Speaker 1: in the government, and oh see they're in this movie.
Speaker 1: They're portrayed as not having too much more out and
Speaker 1: maybe that's stuff that catches up with you later. It's
Speaker 1: probably you know, it's again, it's you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of war. It's the same thing. We haven't lived through war,
Speaker 1: but it was what we have. I guess what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make the comparison is, I just remember after
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, everybody was like, we need to kill
Speaker 1: this set of people and do this set of things.
Speaker 1: When you're in a war, the mindset of the world
Speaker 1: completely changes, and it's not until after when you go
Speaker 1: it's same thing to Afghanist and how much stuff has
Speaker 1: come back where you go that wasn't need to happen,
Speaker 1: That didn't need to happen. There weren't really weapons of
Speaker 1: mass destruction there. But in the middle of it, when
Speaker 1: you you know, twenty eleven two towers get attacked and
Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of people are affected and die, you're
Speaker 1: just going, Okay, we got to attack next. So that's
Speaker 1: where it's the same thing. I couldn't imagine being the
Speaker 1: president having to you can't. You almost have to check
Speaker 1: that the door. I guess, right, but then should you
Speaker 1: check the door? And again all great questions the movie poses.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a common enemy, right to unify and
Speaker 3: come together, and then once the dust settles, it's like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, we gotta go back to our lives here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look like Truman was old, so he probably didn't
Speaker 1: have too many years after that. So it's probably why
Speaker 1: he wasn't as guilty because by the time we come around,
Speaker 1: oh I'm gonna be out of here, We'll a Oppenheimer
Speaker 1: is still still a little bit life to live.
Speaker 5: So yeah, And as far as my your characters go,
Speaker 5: I feel like I don't have really much to say
Speaker 5: on Matt Damon. I was almost hoping for a bit
Speaker 5: more of him, but I think, after what the kind
Speaker 5: of character he is in here, I'm I'm also then
Speaker 5: okay that he's not any more, because I think he's
Speaker 5: a fairly flat character. There's not too much going on
Speaker 5: with him, and he's not too compelling. But I still
Speaker 5: liked his involvement here, and I like the dynamic that
Speaker 5: him and Oppenheimer had. I thought it was it was
Speaker 5: all good stuff there, they kind of budding up, but
Speaker 5: then he still like keeps that distance from him, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I like that obviously as the project
Speaker 5: is starting to close down, as we're talking about where Okay,
Speaker 5: they have the bomb. The US government at this point
Speaker 5: has the bomb. They don't really need Oppenheimer and these
Speaker 5: scientists anymore. But I feel like there's still a good
Speaker 5: element there where I guess Groves is his character's name,
Speaker 5: he's still kind of like he's built up that friendship,
Speaker 5: so he still wants to hang on to it. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, he's got protocol and he's like
Speaker 5: loyal to you as Army above Oppenheimer, so he's still
Speaker 5: he's not sharing all the information.
Speaker 2: With him there. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I wonder what you would do if you say he
Speaker 5: gave that character in additional ten to fifteen minutes of
Speaker 5: screen time. I wonder what kind of things you would
Speaker 5: try and do with it. It's ends up being a
Speaker 5: bit of a simple character when it's all said and done,
Speaker 5: But I.
Speaker 2: Thought he was well done for what he had to
Speaker 2: do here.
Speaker 5: Definitely not maybe not as compelling as Matt Damon in
Speaker 5: another Nolan film.
Speaker 2: For reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel like he like an Interstellar, He's
Speaker 3: like that pathetic asshole, and then this he's like the
Speaker 3: confident asshole. And I funny though, I feel like most
Speaker 3: of the humor was actually around his character, maybe just
Speaker 3: his reaction to Oppenheimer just just yeah, being like very
Speaker 3: literal with certain moments. I found myself just laughing a lot,
Speaker 3: and like my theater just laugh laughing to a lot
Speaker 3: of reactions around him. And it's probably just Matt Damon
Speaker 3: being so good at just handling whatever role he has
Speaker 3: to fill. He just carried those most Like I could
Speaker 3: have had another actor that's portrayed a general in like
Speaker 3: sixteen other movies, you know, like those character actors that
Speaker 3: you just always see in these general roles. I feel
Speaker 3: like I could have been fine with that, but Matt
Speaker 3: Damon just brought some extra extra spice on that that cappuccino,
Speaker 3: So I'm glad he was added.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what he has, he has that element
Speaker 1: only a few actors do, kind of like Tom Hanks
Speaker 1: where he can still play in every Man sort of
Speaker 1: feel like you can look at Matt Damon and envision
Speaker 1: this guy where sometimes, like you said, Kreon's like it's
Speaker 1: a caricature actor of like, I'm the sergeant. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: playing sergeant, but I can still see a real guy
Speaker 1: in that Damon's character. And I like that. You know,
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer want him to phone, he didn't phone, but then
Speaker 1: he phoned right after the bomb, so it was that
Speaker 1: same that there's a connection there, but he still couldn't
Speaker 1: give him all the access. And I really really like
Speaker 1: the ending of the hearing because there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: people turn their back on Oppenheimer and he does best
Speaker 1: to stay on protocol, but not also throw Oppenheimer under
Speaker 1: the bus because they said, oh, would you clear him now?
Speaker 1: And he says no, and right away they try to like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's it, that's everything, but he tries to be like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't clear any of them. He's like, no, We've
Speaker 1: we got everything we need from you. He goes, no,
Speaker 1: I want on the record that I wouldn't have cleared
Speaker 1: anybody that worked back there in this time with these
Speaker 1: new guidelines, so kind of saying that, yeah, I'm condemning Oppenheimer,
Speaker 1: but I'm condemning everybody and almost condemning the government system
Speaker 1: is like it was faulty back then from what they
Speaker 1: deemed it, right how many solo years later. So I
Speaker 1: like that it was and you would think that this
Speaker 1: was the guy who's at the b of the movie
Speaker 1: just wants to build a bomb, very army focused, that
Speaker 1: he would not care about throwing any dirt on Alpaheimer.
Speaker 1: Just he go in there, answer the question, say what
Speaker 1: they wanted, Hey, would you clear him? No? And then
Speaker 1: be good. But no, he gave that moment where some
Speaker 1: of Alpenheimer's actually friends, didn't, you know, like the guy
Speaker 1: we talked about before the Safti's character, Like, there's a
Speaker 1: few of them that had that shift where they were
Speaker 1: looking out for their own ass or one they're more
Speaker 1: funding and just wanted to build bigger bomb stuff where
Speaker 1: Matt dams reason character. And I imagine at this point
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I would imagine at this
Speaker 1: point when we get to the hearing, they've probably not
Speaker 1: been in contact that much, you know, I imagine they don't.
Speaker 1: They're not getting together for tea and crumpets or anything
Speaker 1: like they've they've separated. So that's where I like that
Speaker 1: even years later, he doesn't really throw him under the
Speaker 1: bus when he could have, like everybody else, and you
Speaker 1: got a couple of other characters that go hard, obviously
Speaker 1: his wife and Matthew Modine's character. It's like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to put me on trial too, and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. So there's a couple. But I was almost
Speaker 1: expecting him because they ask would you clear them? And
Speaker 1: then you don't get that answer for like an hour
Speaker 1: because they cut and then it goes back to the
Speaker 1: hearing later on, so I was I was very curious
Speaker 1: because then they showed more relationships, so I didn't know
Speaker 1: which trae it was gonna go. Because also I think
Speaker 1: when we got his answer, it was a montage of
Speaker 1: a lot of characters dog piling on him. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is another guy who kind of screws him, and
Speaker 1: he screws them a little, but it's like accidental because
Speaker 1: he could have still said no, but he was trying
Speaker 1: his best to be a I guess, like keep his
Speaker 1: conscience clean, but still help this guy out who was
Speaker 1: you know? And he sassified. At no point did I
Speaker 1: feel like he was ever unloyal to America, which every
Speaker 1: person got asked that, and they're trying to hit on
Speaker 1: him being a Russian spy, even though they already snooped
Speaker 1: out who the Russian spy was there, but they were
Speaker 1: they almost trying to put that on Oppenheimer, you know,
Speaker 1: so just.
Speaker 3: Trying to entrap them, which is just like illegal to
Speaker 3: my mind. But again, they just make their own fucking
Speaker 3: rules or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, since we were talking about mad Damon.
Speaker 3: Another scene that I just really really really liked was
Speaker 3: was that night of the testing when they're waiting for
Speaker 3: five point thirty when they're waiting for the rain to clear,
Speaker 3: and it's just the two of them like in the bunks,
Speaker 3: you know, sharing a drink, because like, these are the
Speaker 3: two that basically started this entire thing, and here they
Speaker 3: are right at the tail end of it essentially, and
Speaker 3: it's just like fucking two billion dollars spent two years, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are done if this does not go well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like although maybe they don't have a lot
Speaker 3: in common, like they are like they're they're the two
Speaker 3: right there that like that, like they they have the
Speaker 3: most in common in that one single moment.
Speaker 4: So I just I really liked that little sit down.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of the first Captain America.
Speaker 3: Actually, when you have like the night before the procedure
Speaker 3: essentially just a little sit down between the professor and
Speaker 3: Steve Rogers, and I don't know, I just it really
Speaker 3: in my mind similar scene, and I just really like
Speaker 3: both those scenes.
Speaker 1: It's a nice calm before the storm, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: the trip, but I still love the conversation of him
Speaker 1: discovering that technically there's very small percentage that he could
Speaker 1: just keep eating the air and the oxygen and destride
Speaker 1: the entire world. And he's like, well, well, what's like
Speaker 1: the theory, guys, Well, it's like a near impossibility? Is
Speaker 1: it nearer impossible? Is not? You know that theory? It
Speaker 1: can't be just impossible. It was like, what would you
Speaker 1: want the answer to be? Zero? I'd want to be zero.
Speaker 1: And it's great because, like you said, and they're both
Speaker 1: you got the army guy and the scientist guy. They
Speaker 1: are that everyone reports to them, you know, because even
Speaker 1: in the middle sometimes people give all the timer crap.
Speaker 1: They're like, you haven't done anything to build this bomb
Speaker 1: for weeks. But it's because now he's like on the
Speaker 1: political side of talking to people and taking meetings and stuff,
Speaker 1: so he's even his role has grown from just scientists
Speaker 1: to now like looking after all these people, and he
Speaker 1: had to be on the road convinced these people. You see,
Speaker 1: some people quit in the middle, some people that don't
Speaker 1: want to work with each other. So he has to
Speaker 1: be a wrangler of scientists. So he's very much kind
Speaker 1: of like in a sports analogy, the coach of the
Speaker 1: scientists and Matt Dames the coach of that. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good scene and I love what it's
Speaker 1: I love when it's raining because you just imagine you're
Speaker 1: about to set out this bomb and it's just that
Speaker 1: has to be like even worse because like everything's slippery,
Speaker 1: and they even talk about that, like, oh are they safe.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, are they safe by the metal tower
Speaker 1: carrying the world destroying bomb? Yeah? I think so. And
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just pouring on. These guys are
Speaker 1: like trying, you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Like could be going off, like just like the worst
Speaker 4: possible situation.
Speaker 1: Everything, but they gotta go right because we got July
Speaker 1: ninth or whatever the date was, Like, we gotta do
Speaker 1: this fucking bomb. And it's just it's great. And that's
Speaker 1: a good scene too when they do the bomb and
Speaker 1: he gets back there and everyone's cheering that's before it
Speaker 1: goes off, and there's a great shot of when they
Speaker 1: hoist killing Murphy and he's cheering and got the American
Speaker 1: flag behind him because it's such a good like America
Speaker 1: watching over this and what it's gonna change for the world.
Speaker 1: So lots of great stuff there because it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be raw raw, and then fifteen minutes later, that's why
Speaker 1: it kind of turns be in the moment you get
Speaker 1: your classic sports movie more like yeah, we won, we
Speaker 1: won whatever championship it is, we did it. And then
Speaker 1: it's like, no, we got a whole another hour of
Speaker 1: you know, people really stressing about this bomb. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh, Florence Pugh, should we talk about this characters?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I didn't really.
Speaker 5: Fully I guess when I was watching the movie, I
Speaker 5: didn't fully understand any when I was walking home after
Speaker 5: watching it that didn't fully understand, like, Okay, what the
Speaker 5: what the purpose that they're trying to do with this
Speaker 5: character because she had more screen time than I was expecting.
Speaker 5: I thought of the trailers that she'd be in there
Speaker 5: for like a scene or two, but she ended up
Speaker 5: being in a lot more, and some of it she's
Speaker 5: like not actually there. It's like flashbacks, and the timing
Speaker 5: of it is weird, but I think it's actually once
Speaker 5: again from the perspective of this movie all being CenTra
Speaker 5: around Oppenheimer and his view and perspective of things.
Speaker 2: I think this kind of being like a.
Speaker 5: Small distilled version of he feels like he is responsible
Speaker 5: for her death because of his actions or his inactions
Speaker 5: at certain points, and seeing that, like comparing that to
Speaker 5: how he feels about the bomb and his responsibility there,
Speaker 5: I think is a really great one to one comparison
Speaker 5: because you have obviously, like even when we get to
Speaker 5: the parts when Japan is being bombed, like we never
Speaker 5: see that, we never see anyone. We see that one
Speaker 5: person in the crowd, but that's just like a mirage
Speaker 5: almost right, it's not even a real thing. That part
Speaker 5: of it is pretty disconnected. So I think it is
Speaker 5: a good call to have an incredibly personal connection and
Speaker 5: someone that we've seen have a good rapport, like it's
Speaker 5: a very chaotic relationship and it's like they're not good
Speaker 5: for each other. They split up, but you know that
Speaker 5: they've had this story pass. And to have someone that
Speaker 5: he is personally, very emotionally close to and obviously that
Speaker 5: death is not caused because of the bomb, but to
Speaker 5: have that one in one comparison, I thought was a
Speaker 5: really effective thing, and I think it really helps add
Speaker 5: to Oppenheimer as a character and and helps make make
Speaker 5: some of the other stuff feel a bit more believable.
Speaker 5: Concerning that, we don't actually see the scenes of the bombing,
Speaker 5: and they do that in a very interesting way. Right
Speaker 5: once again, we only see the trial run of the bomb.
Speaker 5: We don't actually see a scene in Japan. So I
Speaker 5: think that was a really smart move and really well done. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I definitely want to see Florence Pew and another Nolan
Speaker 5: thing later on with a bit more of a media role,
Speaker 5: but you know, you could. This is a criticism I've
Speaker 5: seen for just all of Nolan is that he's just
Speaker 5: not really great at writing women, and he's movies are
Speaker 5: ever centered around women.
Speaker 2: And that's totally fair.
Speaker 5: You know, if he's not good at it, I'm like,
Speaker 5: you know, focus on what you're good on and keep
Speaker 5: excelling in that. So maybe we wouldn't see that, but
Speaker 5: I'd like to see her come back and do another
Speaker 5: character at some point.
Speaker 2: But I thought this was an interesting, interesting role for her.
Speaker 1: That's what I love too, because I can't remem some
Speaker 1: interview they talked about, because that's always been a critique
Speaker 1: to that, like seeing the romance stuff. He's never been
Speaker 1: the greatest at He's like, oh, this is by far
Speaker 1: my most romantic movies. So it's like just a girl
Speaker 1: being naked. I like, I I didn't walk away and
Speaker 1: be like, man, this love between the two and that's fine,
Speaker 1: Like Dylan said, I don't need that. I think it
Speaker 1: served its purpose because I was the same as Dylan
Speaker 1: where the first half I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what this is needed for. Like I love Florence Pugh.
Speaker 1: I actually think they are good chemistry for the few
Speaker 1: scenes they are in. But I was like, is this
Speaker 1: just a biography because some of thees do that where
Speaker 1: it's like we need to hit on all these points
Speaker 1: in his life and if it doesn't go to the
Speaker 1: word story, it's just there. And I at first like, Eh,
Speaker 1: this is somewhere am I gonna feel like it could
Speaker 1: have been cut? But like Dylan said, it's almost like
Speaker 1: a mini preview and there's no way the man could know.
Speaker 1: And again, how it's framed in the movie not in
Speaker 1: real life. But in this movie, there's no way he
Speaker 1: could know that. The relationship with his ex wife is
Speaker 1: very similar to the raceship he's gonna have with this
Speaker 1: bomb of feeling like he could have done more and
Speaker 1: could have stopped some things, but he, you know, just
Speaker 1: had to go a certain way. And that loss kind
Speaker 1: of echoes what he's gonna feel more so later on
Speaker 1: when he has to you know, not lose, you know,
Speaker 1: the loss of life. Maybe that's what I'm talking about more,
Speaker 1: just that sort of loss, is being the head of
Speaker 1: it and being the face, like when he gets that magazine,
Speaker 1: like the the what was it? The man who created
Speaker 1: the whatever?
Speaker 5: Ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And just that's the way of he's getting
Speaker 1: praised for all these things. So yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: served its purpose well as went forward. My only critique
Speaker 1: is I wish that Nolan saved the nudity for the
Speaker 1: scene in the and the hearing, because I think would
Speaker 1: have been a lot bigger of them both being naked
Speaker 1: because for the most part, they both don't really need
Speaker 1: to be naked at it, like when they're just in
Speaker 1: the chairs and stuff. It was like, okay, So I
Speaker 1: wish that because that scene that feels like an A
Speaker 1: twenty four horror movie scene when they're interrogating him and
Speaker 1: they start talking and it's like the classic like underwear
Speaker 1: dream sequens, right, they're talking to him and they do
Speaker 1: this great thing where they pan the camera past Jason's
Speaker 1: Jason's Clark and yeah, they go buy him, and then
Speaker 1: he's nude, and it's like, oh man, what's happening? And
Speaker 1: then they pan again and you just get ridden by
Speaker 1: Florence Pugh and they're completely naked. They're like see, like
Speaker 1: you could see stuff, and you get that horrific shot
Speaker 1: of her influence. You just eyed staring at each other.
Speaker 1: But that's where I wish the nudity came in, because
Speaker 1: that would have just been more impactful, like oh geez,
Speaker 1: like all this is going on and it's not a
Speaker 1: big critique, but that seemed to me that felt like
Speaker 1: an A twenty four movie when weird shit just happened,
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? But I loved it was a
Speaker 1: good allegory four because it's a closed hearing, but it's
Speaker 1: all gonna go public. So even though she knows about this,
Speaker 1: they've talked about him having an affair, it's both of
Speaker 1: them feeling so exposed and it really has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the trial because if they are convinced he
Speaker 1: might be the leak to Russia, there's nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it, just trying to well, yeah exactly. And it's
Speaker 1: such a great scene because they're both exposed that moment
Speaker 1: and they're both humiliated. They're both for what they have
Speaker 1: to do and they don't. And by last point too
Speaker 1: before you go Kirkling is another a twenty four like
Speaker 1: scary moment is when they showed her dying and there's
Speaker 1: like a two second cut of a guy holding her
Speaker 1: with a glove in the water, and I love just
Speaker 1: that happen stance of what are they insinuating here, Like
Speaker 1: was this like, yeah, sure there's a suicide note, but
Speaker 1: this like is there And maybe that's in the book
Speaker 1: where maybe oppen hyper puts that that theory foward that
Speaker 1: she was killed for some other reason where it's connected
Speaker 1: to him, whether it's because the party she was in,
Speaker 1: But it's great where you see the glove and that
Speaker 1: cuts back to the regular scene of her drowning herself,
Speaker 1: so you really don't know, like, man, what happened they're
Speaker 1: seeing that glove. That was scary. I was like, geez,
Speaker 1: that's it. It's it's a quick cut, but I I
Speaker 1: had goosebumps in that moment, so good stuff around her.
Speaker 4: It happened so fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's when they're talking about her dying, it's
Speaker 1: her head down and then for a second it's a
Speaker 1: cut of just a black guve holding her head down
Speaker 1: the water. It's almost insinuating that maybe because they say
Speaker 1: that and she's and that's when they cut timly bumping like, oh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't your fault. So I feel like in the book,
Speaker 1: maybe Oppenheiper proposed something that maybe there was something going
Speaker 1: on that was not or that could just be his guilt,
Speaker 1: like oh, she wouldn't kill herself.
Speaker 5: Like I think it's more that like yeah, he feels
Speaker 5: it so strongly that it's almost as if his hand
Speaker 5: was pushing around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like in the
Speaker 3: the what do we even call it? The secret this
Speaker 3: trial close hearing?
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 3: I forgot our initial term for it's been so long.
Speaker 3: H yeah, the close hearing secrets of them just going
Speaker 3: so hard into detail about like his relationship with her.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's just to like get under his skin
Speaker 3: for sure, but like the place devil advocate to it,
Speaker 3: like they are just linking him to other communists numbers right,
Speaker 3: and she was a communist, so like I I at
Speaker 3: least understand why she was brought up, but like for
Speaker 3: them to go so hard again, that's where if you
Speaker 3: have if you have like a judge there, you can
Speaker 3: have you know, your own lawyer kind of like put
Speaker 3: an end to that and then the relevant Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's all yeah, exactly not this, I mean like did
Speaker 1: you fuck her? Like right from his wife and his wife,
Speaker 1: And I love that scene to because his wife's like
Speaker 1: fiddling like yeah, she's gonna pull a drink, and that
Speaker 1: not too far after the lawyers like she can't like
Speaker 1: she's not gonna talk because for a moment, the lawyer's
Speaker 1: saying that she's not gonna go take the stand. She's
Speaker 1: not gonna say it because he can't trust her. Even
Speaker 1: in that scene, she's like fiddling with her person when
Speaker 1: she's getting talked to by Jesus and Clark at the beginning,
Speaker 1: like she might have a drink just in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, she's just gonna pour one
Speaker 1: out right now in front of everybody, but she you know,
Speaker 1: kept it contained.
Speaker 3: So and oh just great Emily Blend performance in that moment,
Speaker 3: just looking so vulnerable, like part of me not keeping
Speaker 3: eye contact with anyone, Like she just seems super uneasy there.
Speaker 3: Getting back to Florence though, Yeah, I know her her performance,
Speaker 3: like she just she's she brings one hundred percent like
Speaker 3: any scene, like whether it's just her in the background,
Speaker 3: with her like mannerisms, like she just she's acting twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven like when she's on screen, and she
Speaker 3: just does such a good job with it.
Speaker 4: I I do like the inclusion purely for just the.
Speaker 3: Maybe the development that it gives to Oppenheimer's character of
Speaker 3: of coming to that conclusion of like finding his moral
Speaker 3: compass like halfway through, Like I just I just find
Speaker 3: that a lot more palatable of him, Like I feel
Speaker 3: like I didn't need it, but the fact that it
Speaker 3: is in there, like something else that just is evident
Speaker 3: that like his direct or indirect action led to a
Speaker 3: death of someone close to him, It just led to
Speaker 3: him having this conclusion of like the weight of dropping
Speaker 3: you know, like a nuclear bomb, just an entire country
Speaker 3: of people, and like if you thought so brutal about
Speaker 3: like one individual, like even though you knew that person
Speaker 3: just elsewhere in the world, what it's affecting them. I
Speaker 3: did like how that was done. I feel pretty similar
Speaker 3: to you guys, though, like in the early periods, because
Speaker 3: I just I knew she was in the movie. I
Speaker 3: didn't know what character she was or what like. I
Speaker 3: didn't know she was a scientist. I don't know if
Speaker 3: she was his wife or anything like that. So I
Speaker 3: was a little unaware on where to gauge her. So
Speaker 3: in the beginning stages, I feel like I was just
Speaker 3: waiting to get to that moment. But yeah, I did
Speaker 3: not see it going the way that it did. But
Speaker 3: great performance nonetheless. So I am, like you guys, hopeful
Speaker 3: that she'll maybe be paired up with Nolan in the future.
Speaker 3: Maybe she's going like the Killian Murphy route, you know,
Speaker 3: like he had very minor roles in the early early movies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: then it's just gonna be her right on the cover.
Speaker 2: I'd be wild.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta say the one thing that so that
Speaker 5: scene during the trial you said is a twenty four
Speaker 5: ish when she's when she's just riding them, they're both naked,
Speaker 5: I dine laughing, laughing.
Speaker 2: For me, it was not a horror thing.
Speaker 5: I thought that was very very cheesy, and I actually
Speaker 5: wish they didn't do it. It was a bit too
Speaker 5: goofy for me, and I was, yeah, I was cracking
Speaker 5: up for a good like min or two.
Speaker 2: It was just hilarious to me.
Speaker 5: So I don't think that's the expected response there. I
Speaker 5: just think, Yeah, for me, it was the way it was,
Speaker 5: the shot and the goofiness of it was it was
Speaker 5: a bit silly.
Speaker 2: But other than that, I think the character is very
Speaker 2: well done.
Speaker 1: All I was wondering because I want to see the
Speaker 1: scene again. I was just wondering if if they shot
Speaker 1: it separately, if.
Speaker 5: Everyone was in the room with that, I can't Yeah,
Speaker 5: that would it seems very awkward to have to shoot Yeah,
Speaker 5: because both professionals and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I want I watch scene again, because there's
Speaker 1: a shot where it's all in the people of the back,
Speaker 1: but I want to see there's enough clear cutoff for
Speaker 1: a lots of times Peel do it where they film
Speaker 1: the two scenes separately and then you just interspice them
Speaker 1: together and stuff, because it would have been a would
Speaker 1: have been quite a day of filming.
Speaker 5: But I think that's even like a thing you have
Speaker 5: to do like legally if you're doing like nude scenes
Speaker 5: like that, Like yeah, usually unless you see the people
Speaker 5: who are crucial to the scene, unless I mean in
Speaker 5: the script, are all those twelve people crucial.
Speaker 1: Like all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to remember like what the shots are like,
Speaker 5: because I know there's like the zoom didn't shot from
Speaker 5: like Emily Blunt's perspective when you're like seeing her face
Speaker 5: like over her shoulder, which is so goofy to me,
Speaker 5: Like I can't remember who was like in the background
Speaker 5: of that shop, and then the rest of it's usually
Speaker 5: like looking at the back of Florence, right, And.
Speaker 1: You never know. That's why Fends might be in this
Speaker 1: world because like like it's all good for her. She's
Speaker 1: a person literally is just she's nude all the time,
Speaker 1: she's on red carpet, she's new all the time. So
Speaker 1: it might have been like the script has written that
Speaker 1: way and on the red carpet, oh yeah, like just
Speaker 1: last week she's wearing a dress. No, she's wearing a dress,
Speaker 1: like you get see through she's not dude, but you
Speaker 1: can see the top of the day. You can see
Speaker 1: everything she doesn't. She's one of those like I don't
Speaker 1: care if you're caught, So that could have been the
Speaker 1: way roll no Olan' in the scene. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's only a few actresses that are gonna do this scene,
Speaker 1: and even Killian, right, he'd be sitting there butt ass
Speaker 1: naked in front of all.
Speaker 4: These people, right and Killy it's like, diet, I guess
Speaker 4: I do it.
Speaker 1: You know, So like that's why. Maybe it's like you
Speaker 1: needed someone that's gonna be bold enough, like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be naked a bunch of people, but we want,
Speaker 1: we need the scene, you know.
Speaker 3: So we'll say I always give you credit with your accents,
Speaker 3: but you're Killian Murphy. I don't think it's up to part.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard him enough because I always forget the interviews.
Speaker 2: He has such a different where's he from?
Speaker 3: He's like Irish, yeah, very like heavy Irish accent, but
Speaker 3: it's like a lower Irish.
Speaker 1: So that's why when the interviews, I have to I
Speaker 1: gotta get I gotta get more used to it. And
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm great with those. I'm good with
Speaker 1: people like weird voices, so maybe I'll have to I'll
Speaker 1: watch Piggy Blinders because I think that's on the list.
Speaker 1: More after this and then I'll I'll learn. But even then,
Speaker 1: is that his natural accent?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 3: And that show Peggy Blinders? I think so because he
Speaker 3: plays like an Irish irishman Like years he.
Speaker 1: Thought it was silly and I had to tell you
Speaker 1: it was killian. So I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: trust you. I gotta, I gotta watch it, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, get on there, it's a great show.
Speaker 3: I heard this quote that he like he was living
Speaker 3: in London just because you know, he's very popular actor,
Speaker 3: big bigger town, but he actually moved back because he
Speaker 3: didn't like his kids getting like a normal English accent.
Speaker 3: He wanted to have that that dirty Irish accent.
Speaker 4: Respect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an interesting cat. He's not in a bad way,
Speaker 1: just like he's he's like that. He's a very guy
Speaker 1: that he's keeps himself out of the public eye and stuff.
Speaker 1: So there's lots of good means around the time. The
Speaker 1: strike of it's like Killy Murphy learning how he has
Speaker 1: to do no more press and she's like all these
Speaker 1: celebratory stuff. Yeah, interesting anything else, specifically a shout out
Speaker 1: character scenes moments.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple more things here, So the obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the black and white sequences, which is a trick that
Speaker 5: Nolan has done before with Memento, that it's used differently
Speaker 5: than it is Mementomento is like, well, I don't really
Speaker 5: want to spoil if people haven't seen those, but I
Speaker 5: guess I'll say here that essentially black and white is
Speaker 5: used for like, this is the current time, and then
Speaker 5: you know, the scenes in color are kind of the
Speaker 5: story I guess chronologically going through, and then you kind
Speaker 5: of have a bit of that momental moment where I
Speaker 5: think it's like the first time you see Robert Downe
Speaker 5: in color is kind of when you've caught up like
Speaker 5: the I guess the origin story stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll say, caught up with real time.
Speaker 5: We're back and we're in the closed trial and we're
Speaker 5: like kind of closing up and everything's in the present
Speaker 5: day at this point. Both stories have connected.
Speaker 3: So I like that.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think in terms of Nolan messing with time,
Speaker 5: which is a big thing in his movies, we talked
Speaker 5: about that along the retrospective. Of course, this is I
Speaker 5: guess kind of one of the most light inclusions of it.
Speaker 5: Where you're going back and forth between present and past.
Speaker 5: But I found that it was never really confusing, and
Speaker 5: it wasn't used as to be like some big plot
Speaker 5: twisty thing. It was more just the proper way to
Speaker 5: tell this story and build up the suspension and tension
Speaker 5: and have certain characters that wouldn't really make sense to
Speaker 5: be in like a certain I guess either the past
Speaker 5: or I'll say the present or the past, and see
Speaker 5: through that method of the editing and whatnot, you can
Speaker 5: get them both in there. So obviously that must have
Speaker 5: been pretty intentional. I have to imagine with the way
Speaker 5: they filmed it, because they probably would have filmed the
Speaker 5: black and white scenes like with different cameras and tech.
Speaker 1: That's something that yeah, no one definitely would be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially for true black and white, you got to do
Speaker 1: different lighting, and.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I wonder where that moment went for some
Speaker 5: of those scenes with Robert Downey when they finally have
Speaker 5: him in color, if they would have shot those toys
Speaker 5: or with two cameras and they figure out later if
Speaker 5: they're going to edit it, or if he truly just
Speaker 5: from the beginning he knew exactly how this movie was
Speaker 5: going to be laid out and when to have the
Speaker 5: black and white and when to not do it, because yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm sure if you like film the scene without those
Speaker 5: specific cameras and then you try to fix it later
Speaker 5: in the editing with like okay, throw a black and
Speaker 5: white filter on, it would probably not look the same
Speaker 5: and definitely not up till Nolan's standards. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: thought that was a good inclusion, and I always like
Speaker 5: when there's kind of little connectivity between a director's filmographies.
Speaker 5: Was fun, especially Memento's one of my favorites of his.
Speaker 2: One I've seen a lot.
Speaker 1: It was cool, well, much like Memento too, for you know,
Speaker 1: go watch that movie. But he also said the color
Speaker 1: differences are the black and white is what has objectively happened,
Speaker 1: and the color is from Oppenheimer's point of view, so
Speaker 1: it's skewed. That's what he said. Yeah, that's what he said,
Speaker 1: was the differences of the color.
Speaker 2: So if you think about that, very excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you think about that, the black and white
Speaker 1: stuff is mostly the downy stuff the trial. You get
Speaker 1: some flashbacks with Oppenheimer, of course, but most of them
Speaker 1: are featured around those bigger scenes that are you could
Speaker 1: imagine find on like everything that Downy went through is
Speaker 1: on record as far as you know, on public trial
Speaker 1: seeing some of that trial stuff. Because that's the thing.
Speaker 1: When you see that scene of Downy laughing at his joke,
Speaker 1: he's in color, but when they show it again, it's
Speaker 1: in black and white and he's not laughing. So that's
Speaker 1: the way in Albuneier's mind he made this joke like, oh,
Speaker 1: everybody must have loved it, but when they go to reality,
Speaker 1: it's actually fucking Strouss being like fuck you man, like
Speaker 1: you're you're embarrassing me in front of everybody, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you end of the movie. Knowing that I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, yeah, because that he had answered that
Speaker 1: about a few months ago, because the ones the trailer said,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, what's the difference, and he had said, oh,
Speaker 1: well it's this and this, So I luckily had that
Speaker 1: going in there. So that's why it's a little like
Speaker 1: momento where he does use the colors to show a
Speaker 1: certain perspectives of characters and timeline. So yeah, watch out
Speaker 1: for that when you watch it again. But most of
Speaker 1: the black and white. That's why majority of that is
Speaker 1: on Downy because that's the stuff that's on public record
Speaker 1: of like, okay, this happened. This guy made a statement,
Speaker 1: he didn't get a seat, you know stuff.
Speaker 3: So Kenneth Bron Bron Karana. I love his I just
Speaker 3: love him as an actor. I specifically with his roles
Speaker 3: in Nolan movies. Again, like the more I watched Tenant,
Speaker 3: I just I love him as a piece of shit,
Speaker 3: asshole villain.
Speaker 4: He's just so good in that role.
Speaker 3: But in here he's just you know, a lot, a
Speaker 3: lot more minor of a role just playing Neil's Bore,
Speaker 3: a scientist that you know, I learned about in chemistry
Speaker 3: back in the day, So it's just funny to have
Speaker 3: a familiar face betray him and just like the big scientists.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's probably so many more that I didn't.
Speaker 3: Even recognize, like throughout the movie, but the one, I mean,
Speaker 3: you had Alt Einstein of course, in here, Neil's boor
Speaker 3: Werner Heisenberg, like the German guy that was that was
Speaker 3: helping the Nazis try and find their own bomb. Just
Speaker 3: like hearing those names and having like surface level knowledge
Speaker 3: of them, it was just kind of interesting thinking about
Speaker 3: these scenes where, especially back when like Oppenheimer was a
Speaker 3: student when they were doing those flashbacks early on in
Speaker 3: the movie of just him being so enamored about like
Speaker 3: learning different things from because like I don't know it
Speaker 3: just I think something that will probably go a little
Speaker 3: bit less noticed for this movie is just how well
Speaker 3: that was told of like where science was in this era,
Speaker 3: Like you can't just go on the internet and like FaceTime,
Speaker 3: you know a scientist like in in wherever, like because
Speaker 3: he was in the States, and then he made a
Speaker 3: big emphasis that he he had to go study in
Speaker 3: Europe because nobody is talking about quantum mechanics here, like
Speaker 3: he has to learn about it. And then he's there
Speaker 3: and he really hates his teacher. He he you know,
Speaker 3: like he's super excited for the Neils Bore lecture, but
Speaker 3: he's just around in class.
Speaker 4: So just like stay back.
Speaker 3: He almost almost murders his is his professor. But then yeah,
Speaker 3: just fast forward to like it turned like he actually
Speaker 3: has a conversation with Neil's borr and it's like you're
Speaker 3: probably wasting your time here, like you should go to
Speaker 3: this place to study more of the theory side and
Speaker 3: just the linking together of all these different inspirations that
Speaker 3: again just allows him to come to different conclusions with
Speaker 3: the science stuff.
Speaker 4: I find that just so.
Speaker 3: Interesting and I loved I love the way that they
Speaker 3: did the shot of him like at school, just not
Speaker 3: being able to sleep because all like he's terrified of
Speaker 3: just the thought of like what quantum mechanics is. And
Speaker 3: it just was a cool little insight into like how
Speaker 3: a super super super brilliant person is just like cursed
Speaker 3: in that sense that like they can't just calm their
Speaker 3: mind down and like think about memes, you know, like
Speaker 3: I know memes are around this time, but just just
Speaker 3: stupid random things. Like they're thinking about literally the structure
Speaker 3: of the universe and how at all these moments like
Speaker 3: it could just collapse or break apart, and like again
Speaker 3: the great editing of just flashing in those moments. It's
Speaker 3: almost like a nightmare like that, no kidding, he can't
Speaker 3: sleep just thinking about these little particles that are just
Speaker 3: all around us. And I can't remember which character he's
Speaker 3: talking to, but he's explaining how I oh, it was
Speaker 3: his other mistress on one of the other person's wives
Speaker 3: that he was he was getting all interested in, but
Speaker 3: she was like explaining to me quantum mechanics, and he
Speaker 3: was just saying how everything is majority like empty space,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's just a perspective that vast majority
Speaker 3: of people would just not be thinking about. But for him,
Speaker 3: that's just like the main way of thinking. So again,
Speaker 3: I was kind of going all over the place there,
Speaker 3: but I just love the his the way that they
Speaker 3: showcased his thought process, and again just all the scientists
Speaker 3: and stuff that we're including this movie.
Speaker 4: I really like that.
Speaker 5: I'm really glad you shouted that out because I think
Speaker 5: that was an interesting element of it where and this
Speaker 5: is once again could just be like a Nolan playing
Speaker 5: with time sort of thing, but they try and show
Speaker 5: that multiple times where he can kind of see the
Speaker 5: future in the way and not in a big sci
Speaker 5: fi way where he can be a doctor strange and
Speaker 5: literally see what's gonna happen. But like that scene of
Speaker 5: everyone stomping in the courthouse thing, when he's like, you know,
Speaker 5: out making that big announcement, like that happens way earlier
Speaker 5: in the movie before it actually happens in the actual movie,
Speaker 5: and that's kind of interesting, or I guess I should say,
Speaker 5: in the timeline. So that's kind of interesting that there's
Speaker 5: a few elements of that, and he's just kind of
Speaker 5: always a few steps ahead. And that's when obviously he
Speaker 5: starts to get super worried about the bomb because he
Speaker 5: knows what it's gonna do. And then I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, that ties like right in into the ending,
Speaker 5: which kind of has like you could take it almost
Speaker 5: as like an inception sort of thing, that, oh, is
Speaker 5: this the ending of the movie or is he just
Speaker 5: imagining it. It's definitely not as ambiguous as Inception is
Speaker 5: in that way, but I still think it's like, man,
Speaker 5: he is having this thought and like he's envisioning what
Speaker 5: all these bombs are gonna look like, and this the
Speaker 5: world being destroyed by all these things, and it's like
Speaker 5: that's just kind of left with you as a viewer
Speaker 5: of like, that's probably just gonna happen someday, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Like I don't know, life's gonna go on, so for
Speaker 5: as long as human beings are gonna be around, that
Speaker 5: could just straight up be what the end of all
Speaker 5: of this is is some situation where obviously we have
Speaker 5: all these things set in place now, so the bombs
Speaker 5: are not made like this, but yeah, like that that
Speaker 5: very well could happen, and the fact that he's just
Speaker 5: kind of cursed with the knowledge of it because he
Speaker 5: has that greater understanding is kind of a terrifying thought
Speaker 5: and in that very null anyway, like a good place
Speaker 5: to just like roll the credits at that point and
Speaker 5: leave you with that particular thought. And that's that's a
Speaker 5: fucking terrifying thing to think about, because this is not
Speaker 5: a sci fi movie. This is what life is like,
Speaker 5: well at least the black and white sequences are what
Speaker 5: life is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I feel like that point, like
Speaker 3: even like back in the day, like Elementary just go
Speaker 3: I remember just hearing that fact that like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: have enough nukes to destroy the world twice and then
Speaker 3: like that was like almost twenty years ago now, so
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm sure we've even have even more nukes
Speaker 3: than that. It's just like what is the purpose of that? Like,
Speaker 3: who would ever need that many nukes to just destroy everything?
Speaker 3: But that is the reality that we live in, And yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a good shout out at the end of the movie,
Speaker 3: just just leaving us with that moment of like the ripples,
Speaker 3: and again, it's just a very very artsy shot of
Speaker 3: like the rain drops and then relating that to the
Speaker 3: different just bombs going off eerie, very eerie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because nowadays all like the big countries have
Speaker 1: nukes and stuffing like that in the little countries. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly right, And it's that that thing where if one
Speaker 1: goes off, then it's we've never had That's always the fear,
Speaker 1: is right, nuclear war. There's been nukes drop, But to
Speaker 1: have a nuclear war where multiple countries are throwing them around,
Speaker 1: you hope that the You hope it never gets to
Speaker 1: that point, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean even what they're talking about with the
Speaker 5: science of it, how if this bomb was made slightly differently,
Speaker 5: like one bomb could destroy everything just because the chain
Speaker 5: reaction element of it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have fun, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't.
Speaker 5: I feel like I want to talk more about Keilly Murphy,
Speaker 5: but I don't know what else to say. I guess
Speaker 5: for me, like I think going forward, whenever I'm thinking
Speaker 5: about like a gray area character, an ambiguous character, you know,
Speaker 5: are they morally right or wrong? That kind of thing,
Speaker 5: I feel like this is gonna be one of like
Speaker 5: the prime examples of a character to look at because
Speaker 5: it's just such an interesting element of it, of the
Speaker 5: we've talked about the responsibility that he feels and you
Speaker 5: could debate, you could debate.
Speaker 2: That all day, all year, all lifelong of like is
Speaker 2: he truly responsible or is he not?
Speaker 5: That sort of stuff is really interesting then, even Yeah,
Speaker 5: just on the personal side, like he also is a cheater,
Speaker 5: and he also abandoned a child and was probably a
Speaker 5: very absent father, and like I had all these issues
Speaker 5: as like a human being outside of like just who
Speaker 5: he was as like a scientist in person and all
Speaker 5: that stuff, And yeah, I found that element interesting too,
Speaker 5: when it's someone has that line of like, dude, you
Speaker 5: haven't done like it's paraphrase here, you haven't done any
Speaker 5: sciencing in weeks. You know, Like he's not even doing
Speaker 5: that element anymore because he's kind of caught up in
Speaker 5: the maybe not fortune and a little bit of fortune,
Speaker 5: but like fame and fortune and the glory of all
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, like we've already talked about that.
Speaker 5: That scene when he's just talking to the crowd and
Speaker 5: he's obviously having these visions. He's like tripping out at
Speaker 5: this point, But like Matt, every line of dialogue he
Speaker 5: has there and how he's just like he's just selling his.
Speaker 1: Soul one line at a time, a propaganda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, line after line.
Speaker 5: It is like it's disgusting, but like and there's the
Speaker 5: other side of it, of like the sympathetic side of it,
Speaker 5: Like to some extent, you've seeing how he acted in
Speaker 5: certain moments, like he was actively trying to stop them
Speaker 5: from using this bomb and he didn't he didn't want
Speaker 5: it to be dropped at all eventually, So there's that
Speaker 5: element of it, and he very well could have been
Speaker 5: close to like getting them to stop doing that. Maybe not,
Speaker 5: maybe just the US was just so savage and was
Speaker 5: going to do it no matter what, even if the
Speaker 5: bomb was like half as strong as it was, and
Speaker 5: there was something else I was gonna say about.
Speaker 1: Like I think at that time, Yeah, because at that time,
Speaker 1: like Matt daven has that line where he yells like
Speaker 1: it's the most important thing, but it really was. You
Speaker 1: look at documentaries and movies and books and stuff, it's
Speaker 1: was viewed as like this was it was the end times.
Speaker 1: It was all someone's gonna die, and it was just
Speaker 1: people going and getting killed and killed, and especially.
Speaker 3: Like where the world was when they started the project,
Speaker 3: right like that's like the Nazis are still kicking and like.
Speaker 4: Two years later evil is going on in the world, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that is the end times. Yeah, like it wasn't because
Speaker 4: look at us now our podcast.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, I think you know, also it's smart too,
Speaker 5: because we unless this's gonna be like an alternate history movie,
Speaker 5: like we know in some ways where things are gonna
Speaker 5: end up. So I think it was really smart too,
Speaker 5: Like I don't know what what I did not know
Speaker 5: enough about Alponheimer's history to know what the result of
Speaker 5: that closed hearing was gonna be, And so I think
Speaker 5: that was a really smart thing to turn that as
Speaker 5: to be like the final big reveals of the movie
Speaker 5: rather than like what we're building up to, just because
Speaker 5: that you would think that history is so ubiquitous that
Speaker 5: everyone kind of know that, maybe like some younger viewers
Speaker 5: would in or something like that. But I thought that
Speaker 5: was a really smart move. And then also I just
Speaker 5: thought it was interesting that they like when we start
Speaker 5: when we're in it in the movie, like Killy Murphy's
Speaker 5: carry or Oppenheimer, I just say his name. He's kind
Speaker 5: of he's already like renowned, like almost worldwide or in
Speaker 5: several country countries. He's already proven to be very smart,
Speaker 5: and we're just kind of told that rather than being
Speaker 5: shown that. So I thought there's an interesting choice. Obviously,
Speaker 5: this movie's i'm gonna say, only three hours long. You
Speaker 5: could have done it longer and shown what his early
Speaker 5: early college days and traveling and what that was like.
Speaker 5: We got, like, you know, we're just hints of it
Speaker 5: here there. And I think if this was a TV
Speaker 5: series that was like eight episodes long, you would do
Speaker 5: an episode of two of that with like the younger years,
Speaker 5: or maybe like his child or something like that. I
Speaker 5: don't think you need it here, but I did think
Speaker 5: it was an interesting choice, considering that we see so
Speaker 5: much of the rest of his life that we kind
Speaker 5: of just.
Speaker 2: Skipped forward to a few chapters.
Speaker 5: And I wonder if that's why the book starts off too,
Speaker 5: or if just from the filmmaking perspective adapting that, if
Speaker 5: that was just kind of like, well, we gotta started
Speaker 5: somewhere because we don't have you know, we don't have
Speaker 5: twenty hours to put in front of a to throw
Speaker 5: in a theater for people unless we do this part two,
Speaker 5: Part three, Part four, which I don't think would be
Speaker 5: a great idea.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's pretty much it for me.
Speaker 2: On the note side of things.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Kirkling, I.
Speaker 4: Was just gonna shot out Danda Han.
Speaker 1: I quite like see dandaon back. Yeah, I always want
Speaker 1: to do more. Yeah, good asshole character. He's of course,
Speaker 1: you can just tell he's not. He gets there, he's
Speaker 1: he's trouble, you know.
Speaker 4: And the fucking Polka Dot man for you. I would
Speaker 4: never know that actor's name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Desmashin. Yeah, it was a good little role.
Speaker 1: I liked that he was in there. He's like a
Speaker 1: knowing classic. Great because he was in the Dark Night.
Speaker 1: He played Rachel DAWs like a fake. He's the shooter,
Speaker 1: he's with the joker and the parade and stuff, and
Speaker 1: that's when he was nobody.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He was just like a character actor and he's come
Speaker 1: so far, so it's it's fun to see him again.
Speaker 1: This felt like there's been some missing people. Of course
Speaker 1: you don't have like your Christian Bales. Maybe you're I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of another like we were talking about
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine or even you could argue Guy Pierce, but
Speaker 1: this is really a Nolan best of like Dave del
Speaker 1: Smash and being in there like that's, like I said,
Speaker 1: a callback to The Dark Knight and stuff. So it's
Speaker 1: it's fun to see a lot of those, you know obviously,
Speaker 1: and Casey Affleck he was used again later on yeah, character.
Speaker 3: So and like I feel like I don't know, I've
Speaker 3: I've definitely seen Casey Affleck and saying in things mostly
Speaker 3: comedic roles. I just think of like The Ocean's movies,
Speaker 3: his character in that. But man, like they did for
Speaker 3: me at at least, I feel like they did a
Speaker 3: really good job and just show it Casey and how
Speaker 3: like dark this character is. And I didn't see him
Speaker 3: do any fucking dark things, just like the way that
Speaker 3: he was talking about certain situations or maybe that they're
Speaker 3: describing like his methods. I was like fearful on like
Speaker 3: in those moments, like just the possibilities of what could
Speaker 3: come from what he was about to do, and like
Speaker 3: I don't even know what he would be doing, Like
Speaker 3: I it's just such a great area. I just see
Speaker 3: him like the Baba Yaga, like a hit Man type character.
Speaker 3: Like I'm just I'm fearful for Oppenheimer with that character
Speaker 3: kind of being on his case.
Speaker 1: Rob and I everything. He's doing all the right things,
Speaker 1: like oh, I said this because I thought you want
Speaker 1: me to say that, and Matt du you know what
Speaker 1: I know say that He's like, who would cover for me?
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I thought you'd cover for me.
Speaker 1: That's not like it, but it's good. Like it's like
Speaker 1: it's like you could look as comedic banter at the moment,
Speaker 1: but the way they edit it and have it it
Speaker 1: is like a very frightening thing. And then they spice
Speaker 1: it with the trial off because there's a recording of
Speaker 1: that conversation. So yeah, but again, he was in an
Speaker 1: Interstellar right he played the grown up Timothy Shallowmeade and stuff,
Speaker 1: so he yeah, he he's like it's funny him del
Speaker 1: smashin Gary Oldman. These Nolan favorites were kind of those
Speaker 1: were ones that weren't advertised in the press, Like those
Speaker 1: three weren't announced beforehand. So that's why I thought Michael
Speaker 1: Kay might show up, like well they have said, or
Speaker 1: Christian Bale. It's like he's British, like can we you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for him and Bail because I haven't
Speaker 1: done anything together, like they did four movies together in
Speaker 1: like a row, and then yeah, it's him and Jackman
Speaker 1: together and and same thing. Jackman. Jackman's the one that
Speaker 1: I always am mad that him, and especially once he's
Speaker 1: on Wolverine. Now he's back at it, but I always
Speaker 1: thought once he was down, like man, I love jack
Speaker 1: when him to get back together because I love what
Speaker 1: they did together in Prestige, but just hasn't happened. But
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully Nolan says he's taking the score, says
Speaker 1: he around making movies till he's like eighty. So I'm like, good,
Speaker 1: we got We've got lots of time. We got lots
Speaker 1: of times to do this. So uh, that's their last
Speaker 1: out break and we'll be back with our update rankings
Speaker 1: and final thoughts and all that could jazz. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back.
Speaker 4: And we're back.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Kirkland, did you you have an updated rankings?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 3: Got his phone?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So go ahead, sir, what are your Obviously this
Speaker 1: is probably no punting a tentative because it's you know,
Speaker 1: you've just seen this movie rewatches, but just your initial
Speaker 1: feeling because we don't we were, we don't need to
Speaker 1: do a whole retro ranking episodes. So at one point
Speaker 1: we did rate rank these movies. So this is like
Speaker 1: an updated tierless and once heresis Oppenheimer, we'll get to
Speaker 1: his fucking wacky rating. You know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: would be never won there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, just like even just updating this ranking,
Speaker 3: it was pretty difficult. I feel like my Nolan ranking
Speaker 3: will never be in the solid state. It'll always be
Speaker 3: like a liquid or a gas. It's just kind of
Speaker 3: floating around and things are intermingling. Because even just as
Speaker 3: I was staring at like, I had two movies that
Speaker 3: I kept swapping them out like back and forth. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I know that that one deserves them. I'm like, ah no,
Speaker 3: I can't even so it's just a.
Speaker 4: Never changing thing.
Speaker 3: I watched one movie and it'll probably jump up the list.
Speaker 3: But with that said, I'm gonna start hear the bottom twelve, right,
Speaker 3: that's solve them.
Speaker 1: Sor rye it should be twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so start at the bottom. I have his
Speaker 3: first movie following it's and like all of these movies
Speaker 3: aren't aren't bad necessarily, it's just I mean, that's the
Speaker 3: quality that he has in my mind. So I have following,
Speaker 3: and then Memento. I actually I was not a fan
Speaker 3: of that movie when we went through the retro the
Speaker 3: first time I saw it, and it just didn't didn't
Speaker 3: really speak to me that much. Maybe it'll grow onto overtime.
Speaker 3: Third last, I have Insomnia. Moving up from that, I
Speaker 3: have The Dark Knight Rises. I still don't rewatch that
Speaker 3: movie all these years later, I watch You'll like it.
Speaker 3: Moving up from there, I have done Kirk and then
Speaker 3: Batman begins above that Oppenheimer. This that's where I'm slating
Speaker 3: this one, just above Batman begins. So here is the
Speaker 3: top five now, So starting at the fifth spot, I
Speaker 3: got Tenant, it's grown up the list with the more viewings.
Speaker 3: N Then I have Inception, followed by The Prestige in
Speaker 3: the third splot, third splot, third spot, and then Interstellar
Speaker 3: number two and The Dark Knight at number one, And
Speaker 3: those were the Those were the two that I just
Speaker 3: kept swapping back and forth because I love Interstellar so much,
Speaker 3: but I just feel like The Dark Knight is just
Speaker 3: a just a more perfect movie. But it's so tough
Speaker 3: that all these movies are so great quality, you sir.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I have not seen prestige, yet I don't
Speaker 5: got why I didn't do that. I did every other
Speaker 5: episode of the retro and I can't remember the reason why.
Speaker 1: And it seems like your sister was in town. I
Speaker 1: think if I were, because when I was uploading them
Speaker 1: again this time, it's like, right, Dylan wasn't on this,
Speaker 1: and I won your opinion because it's such a such
Speaker 1: a good I feel like it shares a lot of
Speaker 1: similarities to this. There's a lot of characters in the
Speaker 1: Gray Area except about a bomb. It's about magic, right,
Speaker 1: and like the timeline, same thing. You get like a
Speaker 1: future like a present day, and it's like it's very
Speaker 1: That's why I was really digging it because like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see where we're going here, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta watch that soon. That's that's definitely a
Speaker 5: big blind spot for me. And it's like, why have
Speaker 5: I just not seen one of his movies and it's
Speaker 5: one that you know, look at Kirklan's rank and it's
Speaker 5: very high up there. So I don't have that on here,
Speaker 5: So I only have eleven. Bottom for me is Dark
Speaker 5: Knight Rises. I also, I gotta say, like I have
Speaker 5: not rewatched probably like half of these I've probably only
Speaker 5: seen half of these like once, so it makes the
Speaker 5: ranking particularly interesting, and I'm gonna say just treat it
Speaker 5: makes it tricky.
Speaker 2: It makes it really hard to do.
Speaker 5: Or I feel very solid about like my top six
Speaker 5: five or six, but then after that it becomes kind
Speaker 5: of messy. So Dark Knight Rises I have in last place,
Speaker 5: and then a tenth I have following. Number nine is
Speaker 5: where I.
Speaker 2: Put Batman begins, and then at number eight.
Speaker 5: Is where I put Dunkirk, which I really should rewatch
Speaker 5: all of these, but I really need to rewatch Dunkirk
Speaker 5: it's been a while. Number seven is where I put
Speaker 5: in Saw Me, which honestly, when I was looking through
Speaker 5: his IMDb to like, okay, make sure I got all
Speaker 5: these movies on the list, I was like, fuck, I
Speaker 5: completely forgot that movie exists, which is I guess kind
Speaker 5: of fitting for what that movie is in a way.
Speaker 5: But also I still I still like, when I thought
Speaker 5: about it, I'm like, I think i'd still put it
Speaker 5: about all these other ones that I mentioned below it
Speaker 5: just because I don't know, there's elements that I really
Speaker 5: don't like about those other ones, whereas I feel like
Speaker 5: I just really enjoyed Insoma, even if it's somewhat forgettable.
Speaker 5: Tenant is where I put Tenant, I put at number
Speaker 5: six rather another one that needs to rewatch. For sure,
Speaker 5: I was gonna be sounding probably low for a lot
Speaker 5: of people. I'm gonna put The Dark Night at number five,
Speaker 5: and I put Memento at number four, so quite a
Speaker 5: lot higher than mister kirkle Patzer Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2: I put it number three, so very high for me
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very curious to see how that goes on rewatches.
Speaker 5: I really only think that one's it's harder for it
Speaker 5: to go up because there's only two more spaces for
Speaker 5: it to go. But I feel like I'll just enjoy
Speaker 5: it more with each watch. But to be fair, a
Speaker 5: lot of these other ones, I'm sure I would as well.
Speaker 5: Interstellar at number two, which, yeah, I just rewatched that
Speaker 5: one recently, and that definitely solidified because I think that
Speaker 5: was still only the second time I've seen it, And yeah,
Speaker 5: I just I love space as a setting. That movie
Speaker 5: is so trippy and interesting and cool, and yeah, for me,
Speaker 5: number one, Inception, without a doubt, that's for me. That's
Speaker 5: the top ten favorite all time movie for me.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So it's probably even top five. I love that movie
Speaker 2: so so much. Go back to the retro to hear why,
Speaker 2: but that movie.
Speaker 5: Is so special, so cool, so stylish, such a great concept,
Speaker 5: really fun, interesting characters, the soundtracks amazing. So yeah, that's
Speaker 5: just one of my all time favorites. I've seen it
Speaker 5: so many times and I'll always I'm always down to
Speaker 5: rewatch it, no matter what mood I'm in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget that's a Golden Geek's Best of
Speaker 1: the Decade. Twenty twenty is best film. Remember that's what
Speaker 1: when the Golden Geek for the whole decade.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well deserved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got Insomnia last. So the reason I
Speaker 1: have there, I still I like all these movies. They're
Speaker 1: all honestly, they're all like eight and above on that scale.
Speaker 1: It's just that one feels the least like Nolan. He
Speaker 1: also didn't write it. It's also like a remake of
Speaker 1: a foreign film, so it's just like I'm missing some
Speaker 1: Nolan isms, and it's his first like big studio movies,
Speaker 1: so it feels very much like a make this to
Speaker 1: get to, you know, to a certain point. You know,
Speaker 1: he's working with Williams and he's working with the Cheeto
Speaker 1: and stuff, so I think it's kind of a test. Actually,
Speaker 1: remember we're on there. That was two thousand and two, right,
Speaker 1: so it comes after Memento. But still it just feels
Speaker 1: like that's like he does. Memento gets some traction, he
Speaker 1: gets insomnia, and because he handles it well, I like
Speaker 1: that's what gets the Batman begins. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: competent director, But yeah, I got and saw me there.
Speaker 1: Then I got done Kirk eleven ten, I got Falling,
Speaker 1: which is a fun like it's a it's very like
Speaker 1: baby Nolan, Like you can you can see Nolan there.
Speaker 1: It's like you didn't have the budget to do what
Speaker 1: he wants, but you can see isms that are gonna
Speaker 1: happen later. On number nine, I got Tenant, number eight,
Speaker 1: I got Momento, which is tough because all these I
Speaker 1: really like this was one. I go back and forth
Speaker 1: between Memento and Rises. They're very close. I think my
Speaker 1: only thing is Memento. I just never because I didn't
Speaker 1: get to be on that retro. I always at this point,
Speaker 1: I feel like the ending is very abruptive. We rushed
Speaker 1: to the ending very quickly. Rises, I have some issues,
Speaker 1: but there's just some enjoyment, kind of full circle stuff
Speaker 1: I like there. Number six is Interseellar, which, like I
Speaker 1: said this past time, I really liked watching. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if it'll go up in the top five.
Speaker 1: I got Oppenheimer there for now. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it can go up any more, maybe over four, which
Speaker 1: as Batman begins, it could because I think Oppenheimer's definitely
Speaker 1: a better movie, but I think it's just a great
Speaker 1: Batman origin. So that's where I'm kind of tough to
Speaker 1: a Batman guy. And much like Kirk you're talking about
Speaker 1: your one and two swapping, this is where I am
Speaker 1: for two and three is three is Prestige, and then
Speaker 1: two is Inception. Every time I watch Prestige, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's easily number two, And then I watch Inception, they go, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so I give Inception like the little bump over.
Speaker 1: But I feel like you ask me every day of
Speaker 1: the week and it changes because I love the character
Speaker 1: dynamic you talk about Oppenheimer. Hugh Jackman is probably one
Speaker 1: of my favorite examples of a character that's in the
Speaker 1: gray area. If you just don't know how to feel
Speaker 1: about this character at the end of the movie. And
Speaker 1: then number one is TDK. I love Dark Knight. It's
Speaker 1: the performance, is the scope. It was you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about another movie later on, you know, on
Speaker 1: the key for feed this to me was Nolan. Where
Speaker 1: you can see k there's Nolan the director, and then
Speaker 1: here's like I think, like, you don't get Inception unless
Speaker 1: you get The Dark Knight, because The Dark Knight was Okay,
Speaker 1: here's him on this huge scale, learning all these things,
Speaker 1: doing these things that Imax camera and then Sception you
Speaker 1: got to come and be like, Okay, I got everything down.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a still the still the greatest. It's tough.
Speaker 1: I love The Batman, but it's it's I still got
Speaker 1: it as my favorite. It's it's a joyous film. So
Speaker 1: del muss final thoughts on OPI.
Speaker 5: No, I mean I think that says it that I
Speaker 5: put it at number three on you know, out out
Speaker 5: of eleven for me because I'm missing Prestige. But yeah,
Speaker 5: i'd said, a really big surprise for me. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: did not expect to be coming away this hot, uh,
Speaker 5: And I'm very pleasantly surprised by it and very excited
Speaker 5: to rewatch it, especially even just knowing that how the
Speaker 5: black and white scenes are supposed to be used. You know,
Speaker 5: of course it's always up to the viewers interpretation, but
Speaker 5: to know what Nolan thinks of those scenes, I'm excited
Speaker 5: to rewatch this. I will definitely do so before Golden
Speaker 5: Geeks this year, probably maybe even a couple of times,
Speaker 5: even though it's long and intense. But yeah, I really
Speaker 5: really enjoyed this movie, really glad that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say. I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: good to go, you tell it long.
Speaker 1: It's so excited to get Tator's review because bad movies,
Speaker 1: Oh it was long, like this is it is long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't like this movie, this is This is
Speaker 1: a real long one.
Speaker 2: This is I guarantee you that's what he'll say. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very long.
Speaker 1: You never know and a half or no, there's sometimes
Speaker 1: with some certain history. He's like a buff and so
Speaker 1: if he's really into this air, like the ball making,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be all over it. But I feel like
Speaker 1: I've never.
Speaker 4: Heard him about the bomb era making. Yeah, I've heard
Speaker 4: him talk about.
Speaker 1: But there's always stuff. But you remember, he just ramily
Speaker 1: became like a maple Leaze fans like, oh really, I've
Speaker 1: never heard you say the Shark.
Speaker 2: The Shark.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I gotta defend him here the Shark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shark. But like just one days again,
Speaker 1: I love the Shark's my favorite team of all time.
Speaker 1: I watch every game. It's like I've never come over
Speaker 1: so you once a game on I cruised, It's always
Speaker 1: on the backgrounds like yeah, whatever, Then.
Speaker 4: He back pedals. Playoffs, playoffs, the last.
Speaker 1: Game I played in the video game. That's pretty much
Speaker 1: what it is. You know, he's watching those games. Current pass.
Speaker 1: What would you give this one? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I Like I said before, I feel like I just
Speaker 3: had such high expectations enjoyment wise, and unfortunately it just
Speaker 3: didn't quite didn't quite reach that. But that doesn't that
Speaker 3: that doesn't say anything against the quality of what the
Speaker 3: film is. I I do truly think that this is
Speaker 3: just like a ten out of ten quality of just
Speaker 3: just everything. It's so well done. But for my personal score,
Speaker 3: I feel like like it's it says like it feels
Speaker 3: weird not giving it like a perfect ten out of ten,
Speaker 3: because like that's what I see it as for quality purposes.
Speaker 3: But my enjoyment just isn't quite there. So probably like
Speaker 3: nine point five just just to be a little just
Speaker 3: just to be that guy. Yeah exactly, because like yeah,
Speaker 3: like if someone asked me how how great the movie is,
Speaker 3: it's just like, yeah, it's it's exceptionally well done.
Speaker 4: Uh not my favorite Olan movie, So I think I'll
Speaker 4: leave it it there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really really just long awaited to like it
Speaker 3: seems so long ago from when I first got that
Speaker 3: like teaser thing, you know, we're joking about like the
Speaker 3: countdown things.
Speaker 1: Take them that stupid video of a changing every hour
Speaker 1: like it's, hey, it works, walks up. But I just laughed,
Speaker 1: like I wonder if they'll do that again, because I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what Nolan does next, because he's
Speaker 1: uh even just studio wise, I still think he's gonna
Speaker 1: do Bond. That's still my guess. I really feel he's
Speaker 1: even been talking about in Prescon like, oh it being
Speaker 1: an honor. I just feel like, you know, people see this,
Speaker 1: they see the success of Oppenheimer. He's a massive Bond fan.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the plot.
Speaker 2: Time to go back to IP as well.
Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, And it's like I think it's the one
Speaker 1: eyep because he said again it was weird. He said
Speaker 1: superhowed music? I said no. They asked what Star Wars films?
Speaker 1: He said no comment, which I found very surprising. Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't he just say no? So I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I don't think Disney's in the state to I wouldn't
Speaker 1: see that pairing. I could see Disney locking him down
Speaker 1: for an original movie. I would never see them locking
Speaker 1: him down for Star Wars. But Bond, I think is
Speaker 1: I think that that's my Traves told you prediction. We'll
Speaker 1: see if what happens.
Speaker 3: But I am happy to say the like it's not
Speaker 3: like I'm in that stage of being like, ah, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I feel like Nolan's kind of done his best work.
Speaker 3: I still truly believe that that is possibly ahead, which
Speaker 3: is crazy just looking back on what he's done, and
Speaker 3: it's nice just seeing this and it's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: still very excited for the next Nolan project. He's still
Speaker 3: my favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah back on top, Yeah no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good hand up there, same thing. Yeah, no, all
Speaker 1: my favorite guy. And he proved it again here. I've
Speaker 1: said what I need to said, got to give it
Speaker 1: the ten out of ten. I don't really have many critiques,
Speaker 1: maybe on another one, but I, uh yeah, this is
Speaker 1: definitely one that for golden geeks, Potama, but definitely for
Speaker 1: like when I get to Oscar season, this is what
Speaker 1: I got my like on right now. I really, I
Speaker 1: really hope this can get Nola on that big trophy.
Speaker 1: I think he does want you know, he's been close,
Speaker 1: and I think he's you know, again, this is the
Speaker 1: man because Dark Knight didn't get nominated. This is the
Speaker 1: guy that made it so the Oscars have ten movies
Speaker 1: because everyone's like, oh, we really should put in the
Speaker 1: Dark Knight and I was like, we kind of screwed
Speaker 1: up there. So it's like a full circle moment for
Speaker 1: me if he can get that. And I feel this
Speaker 1: is we talk about these performances and the legacy of
Speaker 1: the Oppenheimer, but he also with those spices of talking
Speaker 1: about chemistry and the bombs. He spices in those Nolan
Speaker 1: moments right of the grand scale and even sci fi
Speaker 1: stuff like you're talking about like when it's like the
Speaker 1: inside of a bomb and you see the particles. It's
Speaker 1: like You've need so many movies where they'll just talk
Speaker 1: about the bomb and you don't get that and they're scary.
Speaker 1: They'll be like Jesus are loud, and then you get
Speaker 1: the ball, you know. And again, I also feel like
Speaker 1: the best thing is it's Nolan's still doing some other
Speaker 1: things that he hasn't done before, or there's spins on
Speaker 1: things he's done before. That's the best thing when it's
Speaker 1: a director still doing a variation of his work. So yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely one of my favorites of the year. So yeah,
Speaker 1: great time. And I can't you know, can't wait see
Speaker 1: what no one does next every time, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: very happy about this.
Speaker 5: So I'm so curious, Like now, I'm actually excited to
Speaker 5: see where this ends up on like the Oscars stuff,
Speaker 5: and like, for the first time ever, I'm I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: they better win editing, like, which is something I never
Speaker 5: really care or think about, I guess, but I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: this was so well edited in particular that I hope
Speaker 5: it wins that I think it definitely in some of
Speaker 5: those other categories at the very least, but who knows
Speaker 5: well to see what the competition is.
Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, I think picture. I think killing can
Speaker 1: actually get his first one, which would be great. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be the big talking point in October because right
Speaker 1: now the big duels this and Marty's next film with
Speaker 1: Leo and Denaro, that's like the other one people have seen,
Speaker 1: like okay, look out, so it's gonna come down to
Speaker 1: those two in the Duke group. But yeah, couple then
Speaker 1: the Fall, talk about a bunch of stuff. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much for tuning into this. You know, not a
Speaker 1: full open higher review, but hit the two hour mark
Speaker 1: pretty much so close.
Speaker 4: The third act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we end right when he's at the flag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's the act exactly. Yeah, because we got some
Speaker 1: good ratings there, a lot of people agree and everything.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you very much for tuning in. Check
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Speaker 1: you will not be boring.
Speaker 4: Bye bye, I can't find my mouse.
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