Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog?
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the or over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus quice you better, y Hello, hit somebody out here?
Speaker 1: What quin on the out there? It's got a bitches
Speaker 1: about pick for nine? I don't know easy out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm welcome right head.
Speaker 3: Oh greetings, thanks for joining me. Today is bread and Alaska.
Speaker 3: What I wanted to share today is an example of
Speaker 3: how superstitious beliefs are perpetuated and continue. It'll give a
Speaker 3: better understanding regardless of coincidences and what have you. It's
Speaker 3: one of those things where it's something that's held on
Speaker 3: to very strongly because of situations. So Joseph, this was
Speaker 3: back in nineteen eighty seven. Joseph, he was early twenties
Speaker 3: at the time, Bristol Bay Boy. I won't get into
Speaker 3: the exact specifics of where at whatever, that's irrelevant. He
Speaker 3: was at fish Camp. It was on one of the
Speaker 3: major beaches where a lot of set and etters do
Speaker 3: their thing down there. He had a couple of younger
Speaker 3: cousins visiting from out of state because of some other
Speaker 3: relatives that his moved out of state had kids and
Speaker 3: they never been to Alaska.
Speaker 2: So our first trip to visit.
Speaker 3: So there was about a five day closure in the
Speaker 3: period and fishing season. He decided he's going to take
Speaker 3: these young cousins on the skiff and take them up
Speaker 3: to Togyak River and then up to Togak Lake just
Speaker 3: to check out the wilds of Alaska, maybe see a bear,
Speaker 3: something like that, exciting moose, whatever.
Speaker 2: So they take off. He makes his web the river
Speaker 2: and web up the river.
Speaker 3: They were able to see a couple of bears and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, so it was real exciting.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful day.
Speaker 3: Joseph said that his young cousins were very eager to
Speaker 3: get closer to a bear but not be in danger.
Speaker 3: And he said, look, we're not going to do any
Speaker 3: such thing. We got close enough, you saw him. That's
Speaker 3: what it is. We're not going to tempt anything. So
Speaker 3: they get up to Toyak Lake and this is near
Speaker 3: an area where a couple other guys had some issues.
Speaker 3: So they end up on basically the north side of
Speaker 3: the lake and it runs at an angle or what
Speaker 3: have you.
Speaker 2: So anyway, they were on the northernmost side of the lake.
Speaker 3: They pulled up the shore and he shortened anchor, tied
Speaker 3: it off and stuck it up in the ground. Where
Speaker 3: they were at there was a bunch of tall grass around,
Speaker 3: so he went up top, had a shotgun and made
Speaker 3: sure that there was no immediate dangers or whatever. Because
Speaker 3: his cousins wanted to try sport fishing for trout, he
Speaker 3: got them geared up, had him right there on the
Speaker 3: shore and they were casting away having a good time,
Speaker 3: not catching anything because it wasn't really a good spot
Speaker 3: for fishing right there. He just wanted them to have fun,
Speaker 3: and so Joseph said he was just standing guard with
Speaker 3: the shotgun as they were doing so heard a strange
Speaker 3: whistle from behind him, right, so he got his attention.
Speaker 2: He turned around. He figured see a local.
Speaker 3: Village or something coming through from doing whatever. Looks around,
Speaker 3: because he said it sounded like a human whistle, just
Speaker 3: getting his attention to just a couple of short whistles.
Speaker 3: He's looking around, he's not seeing anything. His little cousins
Speaker 3: are all wrapped up in what they're doing. They're about
Speaker 3: twelve and fifteen. They weren't paying attention, so they thought
Speaker 3: he was one whistling.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So he's about fifteen feet behind them, offset off to
Speaker 3: their left hand side as they're fishing from shore, and
Speaker 3: he's just keeping an eye out. A little while later,
Speaker 3: he here's a whistle again, so he turns around and
Speaker 3: he asks the kids, Hey, you guys over there whistling
Speaker 3: and they're like, no, we thought you were whistling. So
Speaker 3: he's hun so he starts looking around. He gets a
Speaker 3: real bad sickening feeling. And you guys, get your gear,
Speaker 3: get in the skiff, they said, okay, So they get
Speaker 3: the fishing poles into the skiff and what have you.
Speaker 3: And he's standing with the shotgun and he's looking in
Speaker 3: the direction of where this whistle could have came from,
Speaker 3: because he said it sounded relatively close, within maybe thirty
Speaker 3: forty feet. And he's looking around and he notices darkness
Speaker 3: within the grass. Right sees this dark movement in the grass.
Speaker 3: So immediately he's that's a bear because that's all his
Speaker 3: reference point, the height of it at the time, the
Speaker 3: distance and just seeing darkness movement in the grass, most
Speaker 3: logical thing. Tells the kids, Hey, come grab this anchor.
Speaker 3: Put the anchor in the skiff. I'll be right there.
Speaker 3: Just get that anchor in the skiff. You guys, get
Speaker 3: in the skiff and I'll be right there. So he's
Speaker 3: standing guard, he hears the anchor hit the skiff, so
Speaker 3: he turns around and goes over to the skiff and
Speaker 3: the boys are in there. The boys went to the
Speaker 3: back of the skiff. It so happened.
Speaker 2: They were in pretty shallow stuff right there.
Speaker 3: And so when he goes to push, the stern kind
Speaker 3: of dug in right, and so he's come forward a
Speaker 3: little bit because the weight he had to shift it
Speaker 3: to bring it make a little more buoyant in the back.
Speaker 3: This is a big ass, heavy aluminum skiff custom built
Speaker 3: for setting net fishing.
Speaker 2: Pull The net across the bow. It's not just a
Speaker 2: standard fishing boat.
Speaker 3: And so they come forward and he's looking over his
Speaker 3: shoulder and once a while, but he had the shotgun
Speaker 3: into the bow, right, he's looking back every once in
Speaker 3: a while, and the kids move forward, and as they're
Speaker 3: coming forward, they both stop and the eyes get real big.
Speaker 3: So immediately he grabs a shotgun and turns around because
Speaker 3: he figures the bears right there as he turns around,
Speaker 3: because it's a little bit higher of a bank. So
Speaker 3: he said, he's five foot seven, so standing the bank
Speaker 3: would have came up to about the top of his chest,
Speaker 3: tight difference between the water and the bank, and he
Speaker 3: turned around. He didn't see anything, and he tells the boys,
Speaker 3: what the hell, that's not funny, and they both were
Speaker 3: just quiet and in shock.
Speaker 2: Right, he goes back up a little bit, so he.
Speaker 3: Turns around, puts the gun back in, pushes off, jumps in.
Speaker 3: He gets to the back of the skiff, drops a
Speaker 3: kicker down right, fires it up, and starts reversing out
Speaker 3: real slow, because again it's pretty shallow and he didn't
Speaker 3: want to damage his prop or anything like that.
Speaker 2: He still had fishing season to deal with.
Speaker 3: And as he's backing up his cousins, he mess went
Speaker 3: about ten fifteen feet, he said, and his cousin's light up.
Speaker 2: Screaming why.
Speaker 3: He turns around and looks and sees this dark object
Speaker 3: right looking through the grass.
Speaker 2: Right. He said.
Speaker 3: His hands were down, and he said there were hands,
Speaker 3: big hands. It looked like cave man, but it was
Speaker 3: dark ashen gray, almost to the point where you'd start
Speaker 3: calling it. I'm almost black.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He was in shock, and the kicker is still running.
Speaker 3: He said he'd just had this weird shock, like tunnel vision.
Speaker 3: And this thing's looking at the kids at this time
Speaker 3: that they's still moving backwards. The outboard had started kicking
Speaker 3: on the side because he was zoning, and it had
Speaker 3: dawned on him. Oh, I need attend to the outboard.
Speaker 3: He straightened out. As they're back and way, he tells
Speaker 3: the kids, get down, get down, Get low.
Speaker 2: Kids, got low.
Speaker 3: He put it in neutral, ran forward, grabbed a shotgun
Speaker 3: because he left it laying right in front of the bow.
Speaker 3: Grabbed a shotgun, raised it up, started yelling get out
Speaker 3: of here, get out of here, because he said this
Speaker 3: thing looked like ak man, like a Neanderthal, and was
Speaker 3: just giving this evil stare. And he said he raised
Speaker 3: the shotgun and it folted, took off. He said it
Speaker 3: was on all it looked like it was hunched over
Speaker 3: on all fours deal for a little bit, disappeared into
Speaker 3: the grass and he'd seen it standing up and running
Speaker 3: off into's some trees off to the left, about maybe
Speaker 3: a hundred yards away, and he said it was gone.
Speaker 2: Freaked him out. Kids were screaming still.
Speaker 3: He was telling him calm down, goes to the back
Speaker 3: of the skiff, puts it in forward and does a
Speaker 3: big loop and comes back just to get see if
Speaker 3: it was still around there. Because he was in shock.
Speaker 3: He was like, what the hell. He figured there is
Speaker 3: a safe distance. His cousins are freaking out, crying and stuff.
Speaker 3: He's calm down, we're safe, we're safe, we got a gun.
Speaker 3: We're offshore. And so the kids get up and start
Speaker 3: looking around two and they were stays and real low
Speaker 3: heads barely above the freeboard on the side on the
Speaker 3: side of the skiff. The way the skiff was set
Speaker 3: up towards the bow, there's a couple small rollers here
Speaker 3: and a couple of small rollers here, so where they
Speaker 3: could pull the net up over the bow and run
Speaker 3: it along the front of the skiff and pick the
Speaker 3: fish out.
Speaker 2: And there's bins, just small bins on the.
Speaker 3: Sides where they put their fish bags in for offloading.
Speaker 2: And all that. So the kids were low enough.
Speaker 3: They're holding onto the side of the bin and looking
Speaker 3: over and they're watching and watching, and one of the
Speaker 3: he said it was the youngest one point and said
Speaker 3: it's right there.
Speaker 2: It's right there.
Speaker 3: And sure enough, as he looks over, he notices this
Speaker 3: thing and it's in the same position it was when
Speaker 3: he saw it and grabbed the gun.
Speaker 2: So he turned sideways.
Speaker 3: As they're staring at this thing, the wind's pushing them
Speaker 3: towards shore, and he wasn't going to have any of that.
Speaker 3: So he yelled again and he picks up the shotgun
Speaker 3: and pops around, not even in its direction, just off
Speaker 3: the side boom, and he said it stood up.
Speaker 2: And he said when it stood up, it was huge.
Speaker 2: The silhouette that outline of it, and it was down
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 3: Grass, was just barely out of the grass like it
Speaker 3: was when he first saw it. He said, when this
Speaker 3: thing stood up after he popped around in the air,
Speaker 3: he said, it was massive. It was every bit of
Speaker 3: like ten leven feet tall, four and a half five
Speaker 3: foot wide and hulky. And he said it just looked
Speaker 3: like he got the sense of disgust, like hatred and disgust.
Speaker 3: Those are his words. I always ask people, how'd you feel?
Speaker 3: He said, after he shot and it stood up and
Speaker 3: he got that, you know that feeling, he said. It
Speaker 3: wasn't a very long mere seconds and this thing turned
Speaker 3: and walked away, just casually like a Sunday store, just
Speaker 3: walked away. Kid started freaking out again when it stood
Speaker 3: up right, but he was in such tunnel vision shock.
Speaker 3: Their screams didn't come back into focus until this thing
Speaker 3: was started walking away and he came out of that
Speaker 3: little bit of a transfer, tells him quiet down, grabs
Speaker 3: a hold of the outboard arm, puts Beck in drive,
Speaker 3: and they head out of there. So random urns they
Speaker 3: had no control over it. Now he gets them back
Speaker 3: to fish camp and everything. They get back and there's
Speaker 3: about four other family members there. One is their dad,
Speaker 3: the other is his brother, and another cousin. So when
Speaker 3: he gets back, the kids are already telling me, we
Speaker 3: saw harry Man, we saw harry Man this, and that
Speaker 3: it was bigfoot this and that right, and so they
Speaker 3: asked Joseph, hey, what the hell what's going on? And
Speaker 3: he said yeah and told him everything I just shared
Speaker 3: with you. And his brother says a little bit later, tomorrow,
Speaker 3: let's go back over that. I want to check that
Speaker 3: area out. This is Joseph's younger brother, late teen. Joseph
Speaker 3: was like, we got a closure, I guess, so we'll
Speaker 3: bring more guns and I ain't going to shore.
Speaker 2: Brothers. Don't worry about it. We'll be okay.
Speaker 3: I said, all right, So next day I type pum,
Speaker 3: They're gone. They get back up there, and the whole
Speaker 3: way up his brother kept asking him to slow down
Speaker 3: because he wanted to see around. He wanted to not
Speaker 3: miss anything, and he kept he was like, I'm just
Speaker 3: going to where it was, that's it, because Joseph didn't
Speaker 3: want any part of it. So he gets up there
Speaker 3: and when they get to the same spot, his brother's
Speaker 3: hold on his brother. Instead of grabbing the bow line
Speaker 3: with the anchor, he just jumped off the skid with
Speaker 3: his rifle and ran up the bank right, and he's
Speaker 3: looking around. Joseph's, hey, come get the anchor. What the
Speaker 3: hell it goes? I'm just checking make sure it's safe.
Speaker 3: First said all right, So he comes grabs anchor sticks
Speaker 3: it in the ground. He basically stuck it in the
Speaker 3: same spot where Joseph had it, right, And his brother's
Speaker 3: up there looking around and goes, get up here and
Speaker 3: help me. And so Joseph reluctantly grabs his shotgun and
Speaker 3: gets up on the shore with his brother. His brother
Speaker 3: had thirty odd six, and so his brother is basically
Speaker 3: walking the direction you could see in the grass where
Speaker 3: this thing made its bolt earlier the day before. And
Speaker 3: Joseph told his brother, Hey, we shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 3: His brother goes, don't worry, we're both armed. When Joseph
Speaker 3: was like, hey, this thing was real low to the
Speaker 3: ground when it whistled at me. I don't know if
Speaker 3: we'll be able to see it in this tall grass
Speaker 3: because they aren't like the saw grass man.
Speaker 2: Its up to their shoulders. They can barely see over
Speaker 2: the top of it.
Speaker 3: Dangerous conditions when you got something creeping around a bearer otherwise,
Speaker 3: So his brother just one track minded he starts following,
Speaker 3: and Joseph reluctantly is few paces behind him, maybe fifteen
Speaker 3: twenty feet, he said, And he said, there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of alders before the rest of the trees, where this
Speaker 3: thing had bolted towards the tree line the day before.
Speaker 3: He said, as they were getting close to it, his
Speaker 3: brother was about ten feet from this wall of brush.
Speaker 2: Because this Alaska, it just grows thick.
Speaker 3: His brother turns towards him and looks at him and goes,
Speaker 3: I don't feel safe.
Speaker 2: Maybe we shouldn't be here. Those words came out of
Speaker 2: his mouth.
Speaker 3: And a stick He wasn't sure where it came from,
Speaker 3: but it just boom and hit on the ground by them.
Speaker 3: He said, he doesn't know where the stick came from.
Speaker 3: It looked like an old piece dead birch towards the top.
Speaker 3: They both saw that, and they turn and book it
Speaker 3: back towards the skiff. Now, as they're running along, Joseph
Speaker 3: Lessay was motivated. He had covered way more ground and
Speaker 3: his brother because his brother kept turning around. Joseph was
Speaker 3: so freaked out. He wasn't hearing everything his brother was.
Speaker 3: His brother was behind him, was hearing grunts and just
Speaker 3: this weird thrashing around like it was come out of
Speaker 3: the brush, and Joseph didn't hear it because he's out
Speaker 3: of there right.
Speaker 2: The only thing that stopped Joseph was hearing his brother's
Speaker 2: scream and then here's a gunshot. Bam. Turns around.
Speaker 3: His brother is about thirty yards behind him and standing
Speaker 3: there pointing his gun into the brush, and all he
Speaker 3: saw was brush moving, and he said, get come on,
Speaker 3: let's go. Let's go, and he goes. He tried to
Speaker 3: run out at me. I'm not turning my back on it.
Speaker 3: So Joseph gets a little closer and says, walk backwards.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch with you, and I have my gun ready.
Speaker 3: His brother's walking backwards, and as he's doing so, he
Speaker 3: just turns to run to catch up to his brother
Speaker 3: real quick. Since he calmed down a little bit, he
Speaker 3: turns his back and starts running. Another stick comes flying,
Speaker 3: and Joseph said it was a Dannis, saying it looked
Speaker 3: like the brush opened real quick. Stick flung and brush closed.
Speaker 3: It was like he said, it happened real fast. And
Speaker 3: this stick was looked like a bigger end of the
Speaker 3: same broken one piece of spruce or whatever it was, pine,
Speaker 3: whatever it was, came flying and almost hit his brother right.
Speaker 3: His brother freaked out again. Joseph said, keep running his
Speaker 3: brother stumbled, fell down, popped back up, and he's facing
Speaker 3: the trees again and the brush is moving. His brother
Speaker 3: just back an buyers a shot into the brush. They
Speaker 3: hear the sound tear off, and he said it sounded
Speaker 3: like a freight train, and it got about he's guessing
Speaker 3: maybe fifty yards this thrashing noise, and then a loud
Speaker 3: scream wow, and then went high pitched. So they turned
Speaker 3: and they both bolt to the skiff right, he said.
Speaker 3: When they got over to the skiff, his little brother
Speaker 3: was in the skiff already and had a gun trained
Speaker 3: in the direction of the tree line. Joseph grabbed the anchor,
Speaker 3: put it in, set the shotgun down and pushed out,
Speaker 3: got past his brother, fired up the outboard, backed out slow,
Speaker 3: got into deeper water, put it in, and they did
Speaker 3: a big loop like he did the day before, that
Speaker 3: big loop as he was coming back around and straightened
Speaker 3: back out about a couple hundred yards from shore, facing
Speaker 3: the direction of that tree line. This stick what looked
Speaker 3: like the bigger one. They've seen it flinging through the air.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after the east.
Speaker 3: Messages and it lands right in front of the skiff,
Speaker 3: hitting the water. His little brother looked back at him
Speaker 3: and said, fuck that, let's go cut out there right
Speaker 3: then it back at camp, and that day the little
Speaker 3: cousins were going somewhere else, visiting some other relatives in Alaska.
Speaker 3: Within three days of them seeing this thing with their
Speaker 3: cousin and then leaving in Joseph and his brother going
Speaker 3: the next day.
Speaker 2: It was actually the day Joseph and his brother left.
Speaker 3: They left camp to go visit other relatives in the state,
Speaker 3: but within three days, the youngest cousin and up drowning coincidentally,
Speaker 3: when they're playing by a river visiting other relatives, younger
Speaker 3: cousin passed away rip one of the elders who heard
Speaker 3: about what had happened.
Speaker 2: Here, they saw it.
Speaker 3: They came back, and then Joseph and brothers sought it out.
Speaker 3: He heard about that and came told Joseph, this is
Speaker 3: what happens when you go after him. You caused your
Speaker 3: little cousin to die. That's a bad omen. You caused
Speaker 3: that bad omen and Joseph didn't own it. It's coincidental,
Speaker 3: but that is an example of how those superstitious things perpetuate.
Speaker 2: I can't dispute it.
Speaker 3: I can have a logical argument against it with coincidentally
Speaker 3: what have you, But that doesn't matter when it's viewed
Speaker 3: under that lens of you did this it caused that.
Speaker 3: It's cut and dry, and a lot of people's minds
Speaker 3: that share that same superstitious belief about bad omens bringing
Speaker 3: it upon yourself when you seek them out.
Speaker 2: I started somewhere. I would never disrespect it.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily agree, However, that's not my place to
Speaker 3: tell them they're wrong or anything like that. I just
Speaker 3: I come from the standpoint of public safety. There's little
Speaker 3: nuances with each and every encounter that can help someone
Speaker 3: who hasn't had an experience avoid one, and that's the
Speaker 3: main goal, that's overall driving force. But I just wanted
Speaker 3: to share an example, a real life example of how
Speaker 3: that superstitious belief continues to get perpetuated in ways. Here
Speaker 3: and there again rest in peace to his little cousin. Again,
Speaker 3: Joseph didn't own it. It wasn't in his enough. His
Speaker 3: cousin drowned with him in the skiff. He said, of
Speaker 3: course he'd feel horrible, but that wasn't the case. He
Speaker 3: wasn't even near him and whatnot, so he didn't own it, thankfully,
Speaker 3: but still that's an example of how superstitious beliefs can
Speaker 3: be held onto. Wrong or indifferent, coincidental, what have you.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. It's viewed as you went after it.
Speaker 3: This happened because of it. Yeah, crying shame.
Speaker 4: Today heard from Mayr cousin Niico. Like Chris, he's still
Speaker 4: under the weather. He's doing a lot better, but he
Speaker 4: really doesn't feel like being recorded or any of that. However,
Speaker 4: he gave me permission to use his name share his experience.
Speaker 4: This happened just a couple of years ago. He went
Speaker 4: up on the New Yek Couk with a couple other relatives.
Speaker 4: They were going to go up there and just look around,
Speaker 4: do some I think they were woodland caribou, looking for
Speaker 4: caribou or something, just scouting around. It was in the fall,
Speaker 4: probably early September, I think he said mid sept probably
Speaker 4: right around the same time of year I was up
Speaker 4: there in six Anyway, they ended up staying at the
Speaker 4: very first Sam Accounting little cabin, which is bigger than
Speaker 4: the one we stayed in. Further after New York Cook
Speaker 4: by the New York Cook Falls, so they were when
Speaker 4: they had got there, and this particular shock counting shack
Speaker 4: had an actual shed and it also had the bunk house.
Speaker 4: So when they got there, there was some other guys
Speaker 4: there in the bunk house, and they just left them alone.
Speaker 4: They gott in that shed. It happened the year before
Speaker 4: that story I shared with you about the guys leaving
Speaker 4: the middle of the night and then they went into
Speaker 4: the cabin and then the haryman came in, peeked over
Speaker 4: the door and tried to snatch the guy. This happened
Speaker 4: the year after that or the year before, roughly within
Speaker 4: the same short timeframe we had been talking about us.
Speaker 4: I got him mixed up a little bit. But the
Speaker 4: guys in the cabin, they weren't going anywhere. Two of
Speaker 4: them were fishing game officers, I guess, So they're kicking
Speaker 4: it in that shed. It was about two three in
Speaker 4: the morning. They had been sitting up discussing because they'd
Speaker 4: gotten there relatively late in the day, riding on the
Speaker 4: river all day. Trust me, it takes it out of you.
Speaker 2: You just took the dou.
Speaker 4: Bumping around it. It's not a joy ride, let's say.
Speaker 4: So as they're chilling out, of course they're armed. This
Speaker 4: is Alaska, remote Alaska on a Bear river. Come on,
Speaker 4: they were heavily armed. So as they're sitting there, they're
Speaker 4: on either side of the shack in these little makeshift cots, right,
Speaker 4: they hear this heavy breathing going around the shack and
Speaker 4: what the hell is that? Something was off? He said
Speaker 4: that when he was talking, kept saying it's a hairy
Speaker 4: man out there, and he was like, nah, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's probably just a bear, which pretty standard response around here,
Speaker 4: and go out thinking it's a bear. So they go
Speaker 4: and listen at the door, and as he's going to
Speaker 4: open the door, they felt it jiggle, so they held
Speaker 4: it because bears don't jiggle doors. So this makeshift shed
Speaker 4: had a actual doorknob and three hinges on the door,
Speaker 4: and was utilitarian. It was basically a hollow shell. I
Speaker 4: think there was shelving in the back, he said. So
Speaker 4: they're standing there and all of a sudden it's just
Speaker 4: getting banged on really hard, and they're nervous. So of
Speaker 4: course they get their guns and they got them like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're in here, announce yourself. Who's there? We have guns,
Speaker 4: we're armed, nothing more circling around, and it felt heavy
Speaker 4: in the ground, they said. So as they're sitting there,
Speaker 4: they're discussing, who the hell is that we got fishing
Speaker 4: game troopers right five feet away. It wasn't adding up
Speaker 4: what was going on. So as they're sitting there, they
Speaker 4: kept hearing this huffing and puffing going around, and it
Speaker 4: sounded like at one point it was breathing on.
Speaker 2: Top of the shed.
Speaker 4: They heard the heavy breathing coming from above big and
Speaker 4: so they decided, let's confront this thing. Let's confront it.
Speaker 4: We'll shoot it. Whatever. Hey, when you're in the woods
Speaker 4: and something's terrifying you, you got a gun. Guess what,
Speaker 4: you're gonna freaking shoot it. That's just how it is.
Speaker 4: I don't care who it is, if you're in the
Speaker 4: woods and something freaky's going on and you got a gun.
Speaker 4: So they peek out, they saw nothing. They shut the
Speaker 4: door again, and as they shut the door, it was
Speaker 4: trying to be forced back in, so they pushed real
Speaker 4: hard they got it shut. They lasted a little thing
Speaker 4: that they had there. It was like a little wood
Speaker 4: piece that kind of flung over onto a little l
Speaker 4: bracket and nothing and nothing walked this place is it
Speaker 4: was just a hollow shed, so it was a one
Speaker 4: sided roof on this shed and it was about a
Speaker 4: five to twelve pitch, not too steep. They keep hearing
Speaker 4: it going around, and they get nervous because as it's
Speaker 4: going around, it starts slapping the side of that shed
Speaker 4: that they were in. And they had finally had enough,
Speaker 4: and just as they were getting up to gumpstion to
Speaker 4: go back out again, bang there's banging at the door.
Speaker 4: The third guy with them turned on his headlamp. They
Speaker 4: all put on their headlamps, just watching this door just slowly,
Speaker 4: just get beat to shit, and then bam, the thing
Speaker 4: flies back past him and there's this hairy man squatted
Speaker 4: down looking at him, just looking at him in there,
Speaker 4: and it was staring at him, and they were frozen
Speaker 4: in fear. They couldn't believe what they were seeing here.
Speaker 4: One of the guys with them started trying to speak yupik,
Speaker 4: trying to say to my trying to see if there
Speaker 4: was some kind of communication to be had, and this
Speaker 4: thing just it showed his teeth and put its hands
Speaker 4: on either side of the shed, was pushing against it
Speaker 4: making this weird noise. So his cousin across the way
Speaker 4: clicked the safety off and it ran off around the shed.
Speaker 4: So they're free doubt. They froze up from holy oh
Speaker 4: shit factor, and then they hear it run around and there,
Speaker 4: expecting it to come to the doorway. So they're all
Speaker 4: sitting there like three stooges, no offense. They're just sitting
Speaker 4: there just waiting for this thing to come around.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't.
Speaker 4: It jumps on the roof. Now, he said. When it
Speaker 4: jumped on the roof, all they heard was the pressure
Speaker 4: of its weight. So this thing was so nimble it
Speaker 4: jumped up and just landed there smoothly. It didn't come
Speaker 4: bump or none of that. It just and it was
Speaker 4: up there and they felt the they heard the weight there,
Speaker 4: and so they're like, oh shit, freak out mode. Totally understandable,
Speaker 4: been there. So they said after a second or two
Speaker 4: and it wasn't moving, They're like, let's shoot it, let's
Speaker 4: get it, because they were they wanted to run to
Speaker 4: the other cabin and get the fishing game troopers involved.
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't shift, They're right there, I would too, shit.
Speaker 4: So they run out and they turned around and point up.
Speaker 4: They see it, and they start blasting away at this
Speaker 4: thing and it just jumps off the backside. They hear
Speaker 4: it land and it just it was gone. All the shots.
Speaker 4: Wake up everyone in the other bunk. Now, this is
Speaker 4: what he told me. I'm not going to name the troopers.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put them on blasts like that. But they
Speaker 4: all came out. They were all armed. They're trying to
Speaker 4: figure out, WTF. Who's shooting in the middle of night.
Speaker 2: Is there a bear?
Speaker 4: Do we need to be concerned kind of thing? Or
Speaker 4: is it a drunk guy that we need to arrest.
Speaker 4: Taking a cussy has stop for hurting anybody. So as
Speaker 4: they come out, of course they're freaking. They're like, hey,
Speaker 4: the harry Man, it was just over there whatever, And
Speaker 4: everyone was calm. They're like, oh, Nikola, I didn't know
Speaker 4: these people. He knew he'd seen the troopers around, but
Speaker 4: he didn't know and we don't. Hey buddy, we have
Speaker 4: relatives that are in there. But anyway, so they're all
Speaker 4: kind of introducing each other. So I'm so and so
Speaker 4: from some such whatever, and they're saying, hey, the harry
Speaker 4: Man tried to get us, that's why we're shooting, and
Speaker 4: the guys go, well, calm down. It did the same
Speaker 4: thing to us. We did the same thing. And they're like,
Speaker 4: what do you mean it did the same thing to you.
Speaker 4: You still have the door and he said no. It
Speaker 4: was jumping on the roof, jumping off, banging the walls,
Speaker 4: looking in the windows at us. So this thing for
Speaker 4: two days prior had been doing the same thing, looking
Speaker 4: for a way to get somebody. It was predatory behavior.
Speaker 4: They're sitting there doing their own thing. These were wildlife troopers.
Speaker 4: They're not out doing nefarious shit. They were up there
Speaker 4: doing some type of research. I think that they were
Speaker 4: getting ready to go in the field and check hunting
Speaker 4: licenses for the hunters they came across out in the
Speaker 4: bush hunt for caribout Hey, they're doing their job. But
Speaker 4: they said, for two days this thing was lurking around
Speaker 4: this place, banging at night. It only happened at night.
Speaker 4: They saw it one time during the day up in
Speaker 4: a lagoon and it ran across the lagoon. So they
Speaker 4: were pan face. They were like, yeah, it was here,
Speaker 4: and it left a good thing. It left, and they
Speaker 4: said do you think.
Speaker 2: You hit it?
Speaker 4: And Nikolai was like, yeah, I hit it. I know
Speaker 4: how to shoot, and they said okay, okay, and they
Speaker 4: the way he took it, they were so like nonchalant
Speaker 4: about it, like it was just another day, which essentially
Speaker 4: it is. But these things on the New Yeakuk River,
Speaker 4: like that is the only place I've ever been. Now,
Speaker 4: I've been to plenty of other places in Alaska, and
Speaker 4: anytime I've come across something, it's always made it self known.
Speaker 4: Shook a tree, break something, maybe throw something, little pebbles
Speaker 4: at you. You don't even realize it's following you at first.
Speaker 4: But on that New Yeakuk River, from like the village
Speaker 4: of Koalignik up to New Yorkuk where it wraps around
Speaker 4: and it goes back up to tik Chik and narrows
Speaker 4: and past the New Yorkuk Falls, that area up there
Speaker 4: is no joke. I shared a photographers encounter at the
Speaker 4: New Yorkok Falls just the other day, same area, probably
Speaker 4: thirty five forty five miles away from there. But my
Speaker 4: point being is there's these places in remote Alaska.
Speaker 2: Whether you accept it or not.
Speaker 4: It's irrelevant. If you were to go to the village
Speaker 4: of Kalignik and bring up the Harryman. A that probably
Speaker 4: wouldn't even talk to you about it, or B they
Speaker 4: would just look at you like, yeah, it's like talking
Speaker 4: to them about a moose across the river.
Speaker 2: It's just what it is.
Speaker 4: And for a lot of people hearing stuff like that,
Speaker 4: it's hard to accept. It's hard to just go, wait
Speaker 4: a minute. All these years, these things are running around
Speaker 4: terrorizing people and nothing is being done. And that's exactly right.
Speaker 4: Nothing is being done. They take whatever precautions they got
Speaker 4: worked out. I've talked to a few of them, but
Speaker 4: I haven't had a chance to really delve deep. It's
Speaker 4: just been a little cursory conversations prepping for interviews. But
Speaker 4: it's typically not talked about, Like I've said, before they
Speaker 4: get back to the village. It's just another day unless
Speaker 4: someone asks, oh, did you see a Harry Man? Or
Speaker 4: they may share with the immediate family, but outside of
Speaker 4: that immediate family dynamic, it's like saying, oh, I saw
Speaker 4: a moose cross the road up here. It's something that
Speaker 4: happens all the time, so it's not news. It's not
Speaker 4: worthy of running around, Oh my god, get you going,
Speaker 4: there's Harry Man. It's not even like that, which to me,
Speaker 4: it boggles my mind because I had to get better Dodge.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I couldn't stick around knowing
Speaker 4: that they're that aggressive up that way.
Speaker 1: I have some.
Speaker 4: Encounters coming soon from the actual village of kleig Nick,
Speaker 4: less than one hundred year round residents there, great people.
Speaker 4: I have more relatives there than I realized, just reaching
Speaker 4: out and then oh he looked me in our cousins
Speaker 4: and just beware. On the New York cut, that ship's
Speaker 4: real out there.
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