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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen forties, Arkansas found themselves face to face

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<v Speaker 1>with a terrifying figure, one that the press would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to dub the Texarcana Phantom. This individual would seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>seek out victims at random, often lurking in the dark

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<v Speaker 1>shadows of secluded spots frequented by couples like their local

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<v Speaker 1>lover's lane. But in each encounter, though, the unidentified man

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<v Speaker 1>would be long gone before authorities ever arrived to the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story of the Texarcano Phantom, also known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Texarcana Moonlight Murders. My name's Ben, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast. The following material. Listener, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like my voice is like extra dramatic this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I just got like a dry

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<v Speaker 1>throat or something, but it's like it's Texarkena moodlight murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, I feel like an old detective

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<v Speaker 1>in like a nineteen twenties film. It's just like smoking

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<v Speaker 1>cigars or chain smoking at the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, did you notice that it was like pretty smoky

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<v Speaker 2>in town yesterday? It was it was, Yeah, so maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's affecting.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe potentially, who knows. But did you also notice that

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<v Speaker 1>it is September. We are officially in the bur months

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<v Speaker 1>Cozy season exactly September, October, November.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I had no idea what you meant by that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just like, okay, yeah, the bur months, the

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<v Speaker 2>bur months. Yeah, but January is also a bur month,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different burr. That's just burr. You know, have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever heard of the Texo can of Phantom before?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No you haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. Like we always say, I have

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<v Speaker 2>the worst memory ever, So like I think I probably have,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, things will come back, as you understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a fairly big case. It's a fairly well

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<v Speaker 1>known one. Yeah, so we'll be hitting that today. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an interesting one, uh to research. But before we

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<v Speaker 1>hit the episode, before we get into the whole like

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, who he was and dive back to the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forties, we of course have to thank this week's

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<v Speaker 1>patron subscribers for showing that support over on Patreon. So

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<v Speaker 1>we have Kristen k Wagner. We have I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>pronounce this wrong, AMOC, I think is how you say

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<v Speaker 1>that Angela when Caitlin Miles, Linda Sanders GenZ and the

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<v Speaker 1>Popper Bo Duke. I love the Dukes. I have hazard

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<v Speaker 1>name there that is amazing and Amanda or they spelt

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<v Speaker 1>it uh man duh. Yeah, they literally hyphenated it out

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<v Speaker 1>like a man duh.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so thank you guys so much for showing that support.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep looking over here. Sorry, just ignore that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say too, like, as you

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of chatting there, I think it's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know when I like just enjoyed true crime, like yeah, personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I think I always mostly gravitated to Canadian cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was just thinking back to that because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like some big ones that we talk about and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I'm like, I don't know, why do I not

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<v Speaker 2>know about them? But then I was like, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>usually if I had a free moment, I would kind

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<v Speaker 2>of look for like a Canadian one. Fair enough, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I do know you have a bit more of an

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<v Speaker 1>affinity to research the Canadian ones and present them on

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<v Speaker 1>the show when you are doing them. Yeah, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you were like, yeah, personally, I just enjoyed them or

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<v Speaker 1>like more interested at home.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you'd want to fucking enjoy well

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<v Speaker 2>true crime. That's closered all.

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<v Speaker 1>I think anyone here who's listening to truth this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>can relate to you in the fact of enjoying the

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<v Speaker 1>true crime genre, not that you enjoy someone dying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's well no, I mean also like that's scary to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy something closer home. You know, you think you'd want

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<v Speaker 2>to away more away from you. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does, but but it also it's more relatable,

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<v Speaker 1>more relatable, know the areas and stuff exactly. Yeah, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I I went to that that mall where that murderer

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<v Speaker 1>used to work. I don't just pulling something out of

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<v Speaker 1>my ass, but like the picked in Farment, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>we've driven by where he used to live. Like you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my friend just told me the other day she

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<v Speaker 2>went to Wells Gray Provincial Park and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>did you know about the murders there? So I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's probably was like, yeah I knew, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably, But yeah, this is this is an interesting one.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a mystery. It is unsolved. I will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you guys that right out of the gate on this one,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not as obvious enough by the name being

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<v Speaker 1>the text a kind of phantom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So you're ready, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get right into this. Let's do So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to Arkansas if you haven't figured that

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<v Speaker 1>out by the intro as well, which is in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and it's going to be during the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty So we are going back in time just a

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>During this time, the economy was still recovering from the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Depression, and it was largely dependent in this area

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of cotton, rice, and livestock farming for

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<v Speaker 1>their economy. Right, it's an understatement to say the least

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<v Speaker 1>that the state was marked by significant poverty at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in rural areas. It was also very racially segregated

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<v Speaker 1>under laws that were strictly enforcing this as well, which

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<v Speaker 1>created very many different divides within society. Now, the area

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<v Speaker 1>was also defined by the impact of World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>Law enforcement was limited, with small, underresourced police departments who

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<v Speaker 1>seriously struggled to deal with crime. So needless to say

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<v Speaker 1>it was a very rough time in history. It sounds so, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And as of as such, it created a setting for

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<v Speaker 1>very rough and troubled people to thrive as drunkenness, fights, brawls,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all rather prevalent now, things like shootings or

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<v Speaker 1>stabbings or murders and stuff. It was still a bit

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<v Speaker 1>few and far between, but just kind of like anger

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<v Speaker 1>and violence and people taking out rage and stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like the norm. Okay, yeah, So it

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<v Speaker 1>even set the stage for the infamous topic that we

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about today, and that case takes place in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty six, where this serial killer would terrorize the

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<v Speaker 1>border of Texarkana. Now, Texarkana sits directly on the border

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<v Speaker 1>of Texas and Arkansas, and it held a crucial railroad hub,

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<v Speaker 1>with multiple rail lines converging in the area, making it

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<v Speaker 1>a bustling center for transportation and potentially even an easy

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<v Speaker 1>getaway system. Now, with all that in mind, this brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to the date of February twenty second, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty six, at around eleven forty five pm on a Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hollis, who is twenty five years old, and his

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend Mary Jean lay sorry, almost like butchered her name,

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<v Speaker 1>but I got it. Who was nineteen. Were out on

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<v Speaker 1>a date together. There was a dinner in a movie

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<v Speaker 1>kind of date, so they went out, had something to eat,

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<v Speaker 1>and went and watched their movie. And as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>they finished up that portion of the date, it was

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<v Speaker 1>followed up by parking in a secluded road just outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Texars, Kanada, Texas for a little bit of privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh ding dang, Yeah, yeah, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Were looking for a little bit of as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>quote privacy. This was, of course an area referred to

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<v Speaker 1>locals as Lover's Lane, and it was about three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>feet from the last row of city homes which is

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<v Speaker 1>now called now site of the Central Mall. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was just on the outskirt of the town at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So they pulled up the car into Lover's Lane and

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<v Speaker 1>parked in their spot. And you know, they had some privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>And roughly ten minutes after they had parked in had

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<v Speaker 1>their privacy, someone approached. Now the two had been so

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<v Speaker 1>preoccupied with each other's company that the didn't even notice

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<v Speaker 1>that another car had pulled up and parked nearby to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It happened all too sudden when a flashlight began shining

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<v Speaker 1>in Jimmy's driver's side window, blinding them. Squinting through the

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<v Speaker 1>light shining into their faces, they were unable to immediately

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<v Speaker 1>see the person's face, but they did, however, see a

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<v Speaker 1>gun pointed directly at them in the person's other hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy quickly explain that whoever you're looking for, like you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the wrong person, right, But the man with the

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<v Speaker 1>gun in the flashlight ominously replied, quote, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to kill you, fellow, So do what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, yeah, I like how you're just so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't preoccupied with each other like.

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<v Speaker 1>You like you got in there, thank you. I really

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<v Speaker 1>danced around the fact that they were having sex in

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<v Speaker 1>their car. So both Jimmy and Mary were then ordered

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<v Speaker 1>out of the car. And I will say there is

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<v Speaker 1>a very good chance they actually weren't having sex in

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<v Speaker 1>the car, because you'll hear this next part that will kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of maybe they were just enjoying each other's like company.

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<v Speaker 1>They most likely they most likely were just enjoying each

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<v Speaker 1>other's company, maybe mac in a little bit, who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>But once they were ordered out of the car, the assailant,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they were able to get a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a glimpse of this man at this time, and

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<v Speaker 1>they got a bit of a look at his face,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the mask covering his face, because over

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<v Speaker 1>his face the man was wearing sort of white cloth

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<v Speaker 1>mask resembling like a pillowcase with eyeholes cut out so

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<v Speaker 1>he could see.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, that's so creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And to clarify, there was no point at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Very KKK asked, just not the point, okay, yep. So

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<v Speaker 1>the man then ordered Jimmy to quote take his goddamn

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yeah, oh no.

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<v Speaker 1>So at gunpoint, and that that's where I'm like, they

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<v Speaker 1>probably yeah, you know, because yeah, but at gunpoint, Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>did as instructed, and as soon as he did, the

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<v Speaker 1>man pistol whipped Jimmy and struck him to on the

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<v Speaker 1>head with the gun. Reportedly, the blows to Jimmy's head

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<v Speaker 1>were so intense that the sound made Mary think the

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<v Speaker 1>gun was being fired and that Jimmy was being shot. Relly, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how loud the noise was when he was cracked

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<v Speaker 1>upon the head.

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<v Speaker 2>How could he like, I don't know. That seems crazy

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<v Speaker 2>that you could make such have such force just by

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, with your arm like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well depending on the gun where he hit him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mary was terrified and in a panic, thinking it

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<v Speaker 1>must be a robbery attempt, she showed them. She grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy's wallet and showed the man the wallet to prove

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<v Speaker 1>that they had no money on them, but in response,

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<v Speaker 1>the man hit her too and then ordered her to run.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Oh my gosh, it's so conflicting, hey, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're your boyfriend, like you're oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, but Jimmy now was laying on the ground unconscious,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mary uh didn't hesitate and began running towards a

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<v Speaker 1>ditch nearby, but the attacker stopped her and told her, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Is he going to chase her?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Mary did exactly as she was instructed. She ran

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<v Speaker 1>the mass man was once again upon her. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>and he asked her why are you running? Yeah, why

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<v Speaker 1>are you running? She's like, because you told me to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you told me to, your piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He responded by calling her a liar and knocked

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<v Speaker 1>her to the ground. Oh wow, this is where Mary

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<v Speaker 2>Oh frick I was worried about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily, the mass man was soon spooped off though he

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<v Speaker 1>nor the man and never offered any help, but thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>So she fled and ran about half a mile to

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<v Speaker 1>them to call the police. Meanwhile, Jimmy, still back of

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, good, and he too.

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<v Speaker 1>Was able to flag someone down a passing by car,

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<v Speaker 1>who also called the authorities. So that's that's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, so they survived this. I was not thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that's what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Thankfully the two both survived the attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, wow, what a freaking nightmare and a half though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so, within thirty minutes, Bowie County Sheriff W. H.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Presley and three other officers arrived at the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>but the assailant was unfortunately long gone. By this point,

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<v Speaker 1>half an hour had passed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mary was hospitalized overnight from minor head wounds, while

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, Jimmy needed to remain in the

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<v Speaker 1>that he had received from the pistol whipping.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>During interviews with the authorities, both Jimmy and Mary provided

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<v Speaker 1>slightly different descriptions of their attacker. Mary claimed that she

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<v Speaker 1>could see under the mask a little bit and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was a light skinned African American male. Jimmy, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, described the attacker as a tanned white

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<v Speaker 1>man around thirty years old, but admitted that he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>make out the features due to being blinded by the flashlight.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, well, I mean it would be very hard to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to tell. Oh yeah, I mean but also

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<v Speaker 2>night Yeah, it's nighttime, like they're wearing something on their head,

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the loves.

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<v Speaker 1>And not to mention, they were both hit in the head. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a traumatic experience totally. So the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>got any sort of description at all is kind of miraculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I probably wouldn't have remembered shit. So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>good for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Both did, however, agree that the assailant was about

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<v Speaker 1>six feet tall.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I guess that's something more so that you

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this.

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<v Speaker 1>Description, though vague, helped narrow down the suspect list at

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<v Speaker 1>least a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless, the investigators reported Lee were apparently was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical of their accounts, challenging them on their memories of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and reportedly Mary a little bit more so. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's because, hey, nineteen forties and she's a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe it's because, hey, you know what, Jimmy's recovering

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<v Speaker 1>from skull fractures. Let's just press Marry more. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why, but they were apparently pressing her a bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she did have a bit more of an encounter

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<v Speaker 2>with him though too, Right, that's true. I guess that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So all in, although the police believed the incident was

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<v Speaker 1>able to be attributed to a random act of violence,

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<v Speaker 1>which is true, that's exactly what it was, but what

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to do as a result, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit lackluster, as they did not pursue any follow up investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is an intense crime. Yeah, that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, that needs to have some attention to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed, But also remember the time period that we're in

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<v Speaker 1>where violence is kind of like the norm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I guess to what are they going to do,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what kind of evidence are they going to necessarily find?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't have any. They have nothing on them, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know who he is, nothing, they have no

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<v Speaker 1>suspect or anything. So they're just kind of like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that sucks. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. Okay, meanwhile, these two have to live their life

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<v Speaker 2>terrified exactly going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh definitely. So, I mean, this attack didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>much attention from the police, but it also didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of attention from public either, So to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just the authorities. Okay, So with a state

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<v Speaker 1>of how everything was at the time, it was just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of another incident mixed in with all the others. Basically, However,

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<v Speaker 1>things were about to get much worse. On the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of Sunday, March twenty fourth, Richard L. Griffin, twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>and as girlfriend of six weeks Polly and Moore, who

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<v Speaker 1>is seventeen. Yeah, we're getting a little bit sus with

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<v Speaker 1>these age gaps back in the nineteen forties here, But

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<v Speaker 1>they were discovered dead in Richard's car by a passing motorist.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean this guy got away with it quite easily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he got away with it the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem sometimes I feel like when you get away with something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you just go now, I'm raspy, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing? I don't know your next ones. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, oh I can get away with this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go a little further, a little further.

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<v Speaker 1>You push the envelope, right, and especially like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of serial killer cases where when people start pushing it,

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<v Speaker 1>they begin to taunt the authorities. In fact, even like

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<v Speaker 1>like giving them calling cards or sending letters and like

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<v Speaker 1>giving them more information even telling them, yeah, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to attack tomorrow with this, Yeah, like you know, daring

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<v Speaker 1>them to touch them. Almost.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean with certain kinds of people, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a game for them, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they get they for lack of better terms,

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<v Speaker 1>that get off on the idea of how close they

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<v Speaker 1>are to being caught. But they're not gonna get me.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Richard's car was parked once again on a secluded

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<v Speaker 1>lover's lane area, and it was about one hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>south of US Highway sixty seven west in Bowie County.

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<v Speaker 1>So Richard was found between the front seats, kneeling with

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<v Speaker 1>his head resting on his crossed hands and his pockets

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<v Speaker 1>turned inside out, while Polly was found face down in

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<v Speaker 1>the back seat. Evidence suggested that Polly had been killed

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<v Speaker 1>on a blanket outside the car before being placed back inside.

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<v Speaker 1>There was even a bloodsoak dirt patch found near the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh yeah, Okay, that's interesting that well, I mean kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hiding a little bit of evidence. I guess, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not to be found right away if you just put

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<v Speaker 2>them back in the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knows why. So Richard had been shot twice

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<v Speaker 1>inside the car and Both he and Polly were each

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<v Speaker 1>shot once in the back of the head. A thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two caliber bullet cartridge casing was discovered at the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly from a pistol, and they believe the gun could

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<v Speaker 1>have been wrapped in a blanket when fired to help

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<v Speaker 1>muffle the sound of the shot. Another grizzly event would

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<v Speaker 1>occur at around one thirty am on Sunday, April fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it all like kind of a month apart? Ishu

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<v Speaker 2>or even less? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're not too far apart. Paul Martin seventeen picked

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<v Speaker 1>up Betty Joe Booker fifteen after she had performed at

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<v Speaker 1>a musical event at the VFW Club in Texarkana. Later

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<v Speaker 1>that morning, at around six thirty am, Paul's body was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered laying on his left side by the north edge

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<v Speaker 1>of North Park Road, with blood found on the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>side of the road near the fence. He had been

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<v Speaker 1>shot four times through the nose, ribs, right hand, and

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<v Speaker 1>back of the neck. Betty Joe's body was found by

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<v Speaker 1>a search party at around eleven thirty am, nearly two

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<v Speaker 1>miles from where Paul's body was located. She was found

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<v Speaker 1>fully clothed, lying on her back behind a tree with

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<v Speaker 1>her right hand in her pocket of her buttoned up overcoat.

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<v Speaker 1>She had been shot twice, once through the chest and

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<v Speaker 1>once through the face. The weapon used in both murders

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<v Speaker 1>was the same as before and now identified as a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two caliber cult automatic pistol.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, the fact, okay that this monster is just

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<v Speaker 2>like telling them to run and then like chasing them

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<v Speaker 2>is just so.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucked I agree. Now. Paul's car was discovered approximately three

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<v Speaker 1>miles from Betty Joe's body and one point five to

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<v Speaker 1>five miles from his own, parked outside of Spring Lake Park,

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<v Speaker 1>with the keys still in the ignition.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Authorities were uncertain who had been shot first, but

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff W. H. Bill Presley and the Texas Ranger Manual T.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonzalez indicated that both victims appeared to have been appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to have put up a fierce struggle, which is very

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<v Speaker 1>clearly evident from showing that Paul was shot through the hand.

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<v Speaker 1>He was right putting up a fight or at least

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<v Speaker 1>defensive in some sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean good for them, right, Yeah, it's gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of have to I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>you would do in that kind of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't say I agree with the you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to because I mean, sometimes it's just hopeless,

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<v Speaker 1>like what are you gonna do? Right? But even if

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<v Speaker 1>it was hopeless for him, even if he wasn't, say,

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<v Speaker 1>putting up a fight, maybe he was even just blocking

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<v Speaker 1>his visual of the gun pointed in his face. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he was just putting his hand up like fuck, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe this is happening. And then he gets shot,

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<v Speaker 1>Like who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's so hard, but I just in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, if you're gonna die, you might as

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<v Speaker 2>well go out fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I feel you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but say, for example.

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<v Speaker 2>In some situations, though it might be smarter not to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what if he's got you, like he's thirty feet

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<v Speaker 1>away from me with a gun pointed in your face

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<v Speaker 1>and you're laying on the ground, how are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to fight back?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't always no no now. Reportedly, both the

426
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<v Speaker 1>young women in these two killings had been sexually assaulted

427
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<v Speaker 1>before their deaths. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a monster.

429
00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.319
<v Speaker 1>And I could not find in which regard they were

430
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<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted. I could not determine if there was like DNA,

431
00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.079
<v Speaker 1>yeah found for example, right, but I was just aware

432
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<v Speaker 1>of the sexual assault. Now. On Friday, May third, nineteen

433
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<v Speaker 1>forty six, sometime before nine pm, sorry, Virgil Starks, who

434
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<v Speaker 1>is thirty seven years old, and his wife Katie, who

435
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<v Speaker 1>was thirty six, were at home on their five hundred

436
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:44.559
<v Speaker 1>acre farm off Highway sixty seven east near Sorry, nearly

437
00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:46.920
<v Speaker 1>ten miles northeast of Texarkana.

438
00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they're at home here. I thought they were

439
00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:51.319
<v Speaker 2>on like a lover's lane, and I was like, get it.

440
00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:54.720
<v Speaker 2>They're like like not older, but like, you know, they're

441
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<v Speaker 2>the same age as they are, but a married couple,

442
00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to spice things up. And I thought

443
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<v Speaker 2>they were on lover's lamb at home.

444
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, No, they're chilling at home.

445
00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

446
00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.920
<v Speaker 1>So Virgil was sitting in an armchair, relaxing and reading

447
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<v Speaker 1>the local newspaper when all of a sudden, there was

448
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<v Speaker 1>a shot that rang out. He was shot twice in

449
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<v Speaker 1>the back of the head through a closed double window

450
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<v Speaker 1>sitting behind him.

451
00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

452
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<v Speaker 1>The glass shattered as a shot rang out through the home.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Hearing the sounds, Katie rushed into the room and saw

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<v Speaker 1>Virgil stand up out of the chair, attempting to get

455
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<v Speaker 1>to his feet, but before he could gain his balance,

456
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<v Speaker 1>he collapsed backward into his chair once again dead.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, and they were just he was just

458
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<v Speaker 2>sitting in his home, yeah, for the evening.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Yeap.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Just that's terrifying. That's so terrifying, I agree, Like in

461
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<v Speaker 2>his complete safe place, you know, Okay with.

462
00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:53.920
<v Speaker 1>What she just witnessed, Katie now rushed to the phone

463
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<v Speaker 1>to call the police, but she was shot twice in

464
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<v Speaker 1>the face from the very same window as Virgil.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Despite being shot in the face, Katie somehow didn't even

467
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<v Speaker 1>collapse to the floor. She managed to regain her footing

468
00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:10.599
<v Speaker 1>and went to retrieve a pistol from another room in

469
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<v Speaker 1>the home, but she was blinded by her own blood

470
00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that was covering and pouring from her face, so she

471
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<v Speaker 1>opted to run out the front door barefoot, and that

472
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<v Speaker 1>she did that when she heard someone entering the home.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy shit, what a badass, though, Yeah, So she ran

474
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<v Speaker 3>across the street to her sister's home, but no one

475
00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:34.680
<v Speaker 3>was home, so she continued to a neighbor's where she screamed,

476
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.720
<v Speaker 3>quote Virgil's dead, before finally collapsing.

477
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<v Speaker 1>The neighbor grabbed a rifle and fired a shot in

478
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<v Speaker 1>the air, both to serve as a warning to whoever

479
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>this killer was and to smon help from the neighbor

480
00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Elmer Taylor, who retrieved his car

481
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<v Speaker 1>and helped transport Katie to the hospital.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Did she live? Please tell me she lived.

483
00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:02.519
<v Speaker 1>In total, three men and two women lost their lives

484
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<v Speaker 1>to the killer. Katie survived.

485
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, that's impressive shit right there? Yes, Holy heck,

486
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:11.759
<v Speaker 2>how did she even manage that?

487
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Oh my goodness.

488
00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Gracious, Sometimes peper are just capable so much.

489
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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's honestly baffling what some people are capable of,

490
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<v Speaker 1>what they go through, and how they keep pushing. I

491
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<v Speaker 1>don't know if these bullets grazed her face, just hit

492
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:28.759
<v Speaker 1>her nose, like hit her jaw, or if they did

493
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:31.759
<v Speaker 1>embed themselves somehow into her brain and she still survived.

494
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the extent of her injuries. But regardless,

495
00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:39.920
<v Speaker 1>being shot in the face twice and you're still standing, yeah,

496
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and you still.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Live, and it would be painful as fox still, regardless

498
00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.519
<v Speaker 2>of what was what it was, right, Like, you're fleeting

499
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.839
<v Speaker 2>that profusely, profusely profusely.

500
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so huh she she managed to survive, Oh.

501
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>But still, gosh, that's I mean, she lost her husband.

502
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah. So with each new murder, the sense of

503
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<v Speaker 1>panic in tensified residents arm themselves to avoid going or

504
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 1>sorry and avoided going out after dark, you know, living

505
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>in constant dread of nightfall. Right, law enforcement both from

506
00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:13.359
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas and Texas, I keep wanting to say, ar Kansas.

507
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Why did I'm sorry, why do you guys spell it

508
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.440
<v Speaker 1>like that? Kansas? It's just ar in front of Kansas

509
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>and it's Arkansas in Arkansas. Yeah, it should be ar Kansas.

510
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<v Speaker 1>Let's we're all on the same page there, right, I

511
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<v Speaker 1>think I think.

512
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the English dictionary or vocabulary or whatever,

513
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting there can be like there, but you can

514
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.920
<v Speaker 2>spell it like three different ways. Like it's just there's

515
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.559
<v Speaker 2>this interesting things about it.

516
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Anytime I like, if I'm not paying one hundred percent

517
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<v Speaker 1>attention to exactly what I'm reading, my brain almost wants

518
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.680
<v Speaker 1>to kick in and say Arkansas ar Kansas. Yeah it

519
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.640
<v Speaker 1>makes sense, but yeah it's Arkansas. So law enforcement both

520
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>from Arkansas and Texas collaborated on this investigation because I mean,

521
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:54.559
<v Speaker 1>this is taking place right on the border. So with

522
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Texas Texas Rangers joining the effort, the influx of reporters

523
00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 1>from across the nation only added to the growing chaos

524
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.599
<v Speaker 1>in the town as well. Though, the press quickly coined

525
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 1>the term quote moonlight murders to describe the crimes, despite

526
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the first two murders occurred a week

527
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 1>after a full moon though, and the final attack happened

528
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 1>near a new moon. But still they coined it that now.

529
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>The elusive nature of the killer, who seemed to strike

530
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>with a warning and disappear without a trace, even earned

531
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:28.559
<v Speaker 1>the moniker Phantom Killer in the local newspaper, the Texarkana Gazette.

532
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.079
<v Speaker 1>Numerous individuals came forward claiming to be the Phantom Killer,

533
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>while others accused various locals of being responsible for it instead.

534
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:43.480
<v Speaker 1>One notable incident involved a University of Arkansas Arkansas student

535
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 1>from a well known Texarkanist family who took his own

536
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 1>life in Fayetteville, leaving behind a confession poem, though it

537
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.640
<v Speaker 1>ultimately proved to be a false lead.

538
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that's always amazing to me that people.

539
00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Want they want that credibility, notoriety for that.

540
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean when they haven't done anything. I just

541
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:06.559
<v Speaker 2>it's hard for me to understand.

542
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a very difficult situation to ever try

543
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 1>and understand because like this, I mean, he's a student,

544
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 1>so he's he's somewhat of a kid. Maybe he's even

545
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>in his twenties. I don't know, that's still a kid

546
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:16.640
<v Speaker 1>to me.

547
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>But oh showed your freaking age.

548
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

549
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, anyways, this is married to an old man.

550
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:29.799
<v Speaker 1>This person, this person, he's at his life end because

551
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.680
<v Speaker 1>he's willing to commit this this act, right, He's willing

552
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>to take his own life. Yeah, so maybe this may

553
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 1>be the only way that he's thinking anyone will remember him.

554
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>So he's willing to take and he's willing to take

555
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>this notoriety, this terrible thing, and put it to himself

556
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>so he's remembered, right.

557
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess. I mean I feel like I'd rather not

558
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 2>be remembered and be remembered in that way.

559
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I just I don't think any of us

560
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>would ever be able to understand unless we're in that position.

561
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, So I mean I'm not like I'm not

562
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>judging him, but I just it's hard to understand, I

563
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.319
<v Speaker 2>guess because it's just so it's like I feel like

564
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<v Speaker 2>that would be worse, you know, being remembered that way

565
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>than than how you actually were, because I'm assuming that

566
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>he you know, he wasn't a terrible person.

567
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I am with you there, But the things that

568
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:23.400
<v Speaker 1>go through people's minds in that situation.

569
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<v Speaker 2>M h, Well, they're suffering too, I'm sure, from like

570
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, some mental health stuff.

571
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're suffering in ways we could never even understand.

572
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 1>So they're grasping for some way to probably be remembered

573
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>or maybe he's just is a terrible person and idolize

574
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.319
<v Speaker 1>someone like that. I don't know.

575
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who knows.

576
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>But regardless of the fact it was a false lead,

577
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and throughout the investigation, in fact, nearly four hundred suspects were.

578
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Examined four hundred, yeah, and.

579
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Over two hundred people were even questioned during the investigation

580
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>as well. With law enforcement chasing down just as many

581
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 1>dead end leads in the case of Paul Martin and

582
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Betty Joe Booker, County investigators interrogated friends, acquaintances, and multiple

583
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>suspects just around the clock. Just for one example, Texas ranger,

584
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Manual T. Gonzalez, as they already mentioned earlier, even tried

585
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to lure the killers by using teenagers as decoys in

586
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>parking and parked cars in these lovers Lanes areas. And

587
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 1>then he had had officers waiting nearby in the shadows. Okay,

588
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officers themselves even posed as decoys, sometimes sitting

589
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.039
<v Speaker 1>with their real partner in these cars, sometimes using mannequins

590
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>to try and bait the phantom killer. But unfortunately all

591
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:35.839
<v Speaker 1>of these attempts failed.

592
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Huh, that's kind of scary, though. Hey, imagine just sitting

593
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>there waiting, imagine.

594
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Seeing like imagine you're just another person going to lover's

595
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Lane and you pull up and you see someone sitting

596
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in a car with a mannequin.

597
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Like awkward, wherever floats your both exactly.

598
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It's just a little awkward, all right, you do you

599
00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>We're probably going to go find another spot to park.

600
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.839
<v Speaker 1>But yeah. In the wake of the whole Stark murders,

601
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the ones that occurred in the farm where Virgil was

602
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>shot sitting in his armchair for example, With these Stark murder's,

603
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement from across the region were mobilized to assist

604
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the investigation. Blockades were set up on Highway sixty seven East.

605
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Individuals who were even just in the area at the

606
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 1>time of the killing, along with several men just sorry,

607
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 1>several men just found nearby, were detained for questioning. They

608
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 1>basically just blockaded it off as soon as they could

609
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and took everyone within that zone, like you're a suspect

610
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>right now.

611
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>That's so much work too. Oh definitely, But you do

612
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 2>have to think that the couple are the married couple

613
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:44.759
<v Speaker 2>that he he'd attacked, You would think that he almost

614
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 2>would know them. Hey, hard saying, Oh, that's sort of

615
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>what I'm just thinking. I guess maybe he was driving by,

616
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:51.359
<v Speaker 2>watching and stuff.

617
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe he was just driving by and saw Virgil

618
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 1>sit down in his armchair and was like, hey, that's

619
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a good shot. It could have been something like that.

620
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

621
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 1>So by May fifth, a total of forty seven officers

622
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>were actively working to solve the case. On May ninth,

623
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.559
<v Speaker 1>a mobile radio station was deployed, bringing with it twenty

624
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas State Police officers and ten patrol cars equipped with

625
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.519
<v Speaker 1>two A radios to help coordinate the increasingly complex investigation

626
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>that was at hand. Additionally, on May eleventh, a teletype machine,

627
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>which is like kind of like an early text messaging machine.

628
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like a imagine like texting on a typewriter. It's

629
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a fax machine, but it's kind of

630
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 1>texting it the same. Yeah, you get it. It was

631
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>installed within the Bowie County Sheriff's Office, linking it to

632
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>other law enforcement agencies across Texas so they could easily

633
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>communicate with one another. Authorities initially speculated that the motive

634
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>behind the murder was a sex mania. They believed that's

635
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:51.839
<v Speaker 1>what he was. They believed he was a maniac driven

636
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 1>strictly by sex, particularly they discovered. They assumed this since

637
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<v Speaker 1>large sums of money were left at the Starks home

638
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and were untouched, and Katie Stark's purse was left behind

639
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>as well.

640
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but I feel like with that one too, he

641
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have had like a lot of time because it

642
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't go probably the way he wanted, right.

643
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. So by March thirtieth, a reward of

644
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.559
<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars was posted to encourage tips from the public,

645
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 1>but this led to over one hundred false leads with

646
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>no valuable clues. The reward fund quickly grew, surpassing seventeen

647
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars shortly after the Booker Martin murders, and reached

648
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 1>seven and twenty five dollars the night of the Stark murders.

649
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Within ten days of that, the reward had even exceeded

650
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars. However, there was some hesitation among investigators

651
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 1>to a dent or sorry to definitively link the Stark

652
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>murders to the other killings, as the weapon was. The

653
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 1>weapon that was used in that one was a twenty

654
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 1>two caliber firearm. So by November nineteen forty eight, authorities

655
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 1>largely dismissed the connection between the Stark murders and the

656
00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 1>earlier double homicides.

657
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense, actually, yeah.

658
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Though the case still remains a subject of debate among

659
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>investigators and historians, today, the majority still attribute it to

660
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the Texarkana Phantom Killer. Okay, so it is up for

661
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>debate whether it is even involved in the story or not,

662
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.599
<v Speaker 1>but it is mostly assumed to be.

663
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:22.039
<v Speaker 2>It is so different, though, so different than the other ones.

664
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<v Speaker 1>It is, but then there was no other, like, there's

665
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>no indication of who could have been. No one hated

666
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>them or anything. Are you sure as far as investigators

667
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>found there was no like it was a random act

668
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of violence. There were murders happening at the time, and

669
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 1>this seemed to fit that random act of shootings. Yeah.

670
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 1>So regardless though, because of the murders, hysteria grip tech Texarkana,

671
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the media extensively covered the increasingly police or say the

672
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>increased police or activity. I stumbled that sentence, My bad.

673
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>The media extensively covered the increased police activity. There we

674
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.599
<v Speaker 1>go with a Texarkana gazette warning on May fifth that

675
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the killer could strike again at any time, anywhere, and

676
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 1>against any one.

677
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so be afraid for your life. Yeah, and that

678
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.159
<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars I'm assuming was ten thousand dollars at

679
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>that time, correct, which is a lot of money.

680
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Correct. Okay, So the police were flooded with reports of

681
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.760
<v Speaker 1>prowlers and the community took drastic measures to secure their homes,

682
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>locking doors, arming themselves, even nailing windows shut. Stores quickly

683
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>sold out of locks, guns, ammunition, window shades, and many

684
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.320
<v Speaker 1>other items as a result. As the weeks passed without

685
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 1>another murder, though, the intense fear that had Texarkana on

686
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>edge began to subside a bit. Although the anxiety lingered

687
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:47.079
<v Speaker 1>throughout the summer. It gradually disminished, diminished, I can't talk today,

688
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>diminished after three months, as the community slowly returned to

689
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>some sort of sense of normalcy. Fortunately, the string of

690
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.480
<v Speaker 1>murders attributed to the Phantom Killer came to an end.

691
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I thought you were just like there was to

692
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>be another one.

693
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>There are no further deaths or attacked linked to the

694
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Phantom Killer. Despite extensive efforts to identify the killer, the

695
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 1>remains of who this is? Who could be the guy

696
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>stalking people in Lover's Lane. The identity is a mystery

697
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>to this day.

698
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they died, They could have, right, it could be.

699
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>It's possible. There are numerous theories. There's numerous suspects that

700
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 1>have emerged over the years, but none have been definitively

701
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 1>proven to be the perpetrator. One of the most frequently

702
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 1>cited suspects is an individual by the name of Yule Sweeney. Now.

703
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Yule was a repeat offender with a criminal history that

704
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>included car theft, counterfeiting, burglary, and assault. An Arkansas law officer,

705
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Max Tuckett, observed a pattern in car thefts occurring right

706
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>before each murder in July nineteen forty six, a stakeout

707
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>of a reported stolen car led police to a woman

708
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 1>who identified herself as Jule's girlfriend. She, interestingly enough, was

709
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>able to provide specific details about the murders that had

710
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 1>not been made public. However, her story later changed and

711
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>she went on to Mary Yule, rendering her testimony completely

712
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 1>unreliable due to her altered account and the legal prosecution

713
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>of spousal privilege right which prevented them from testifying against

714
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Yule and leaving law enforcement unable to pursue him any further.

715
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Huh oh, that's interesting. Hey yeah.

716
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Another suspect often mentioning this connection is an individual by

717
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the name of Earl mix Baden or mc spaden. On

718
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.559
<v Speaker 1>May seventh, nineteen forty six, Earl's body was found on

719
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the Arkansas City Southern Railway tracks sixteen miles north of Texarkana,

720
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 1>near Ogden. His left arm and leg had been severed

721
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>by a free train, and the coroner's jury concluded that

722
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>he was dead before being placed on the tracks, recording

723
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a verdict of death at the hands of a person's

724
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>unnon Some local speculate that this Earl was either the

725
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>phantom sixth victim or the phantom himself, with a rumor

726
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 1>circulating that he had committed suicide by jumping in front

727
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>of the train.

728
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Huh, you know, or there could there could have been

729
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 2>like people out there, like just what's the word vigilantes

730
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, yea out there trying to like also get

731
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.760
<v Speaker 2>this person. Yeah, and someone could like have thought they

732
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>found him or whatever and killed him.

733
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. There are countless other suspects and theories

734
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the identity of the phantom killer. I mean, each

735
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>with her own different story, and it would honestly take me,

736
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>like probably a couple hours to cover each of them

737
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>on their own, But this podcast isn't that long, so

738
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 1>I do encourage you guys all to kind of go

739
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and take a look at some of the suspects on

740
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 1>your own. But these are the most two prevalent ones.

741
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.280
<v Speaker 1>One of another prevalent ones that does keep popping up

742
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>is that boy who did kill himself and write that

743
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>poem as profession. That is another one that is discussed

744
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:14.480
<v Speaker 1>quite a bit.

745
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 2>But okay, but that one was thinking that it was

746
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.159
<v Speaker 2>deemed that he didn't something, it was deemed to be

747
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>a false sleeve.

748
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, so despite all these efforts, the true identity

749
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Texarkana's Phantom remains one of the most mysterious

750
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>events in American criminal history, and it is possible that

751
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>we may never know who he's responsible for the terror

752
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 1>that plagued Texarkana in nineteen forty six.

753
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

754
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And that is the story of the texar Kana Phantom,

755
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>which is just like too bad.

756
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Like I hate that you could be, you know, doing

757
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 2>this kind of shit and get away with it. Generally

758
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you don't, you don't, but there are certain times that

759
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 2>you do. And I just that just like crushes me.

760
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree, I really, there was nothing I had to

761
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 1>add to that. I agree.

762
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, just that someone can do such terrible things and

763
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 2>just continue living their life like.

764
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Fuck, yeah, yeah, imagine that guy is still out there today. Well,

765
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know how old he'd be. If

766
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 1>it was in the forties, he's probably imagine him at

767
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:15.280
<v Speaker 1>least twenty at the time.

768
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 2>He's probably dead though, yeah, most likely. Yeah, And I

769
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 2>mean back then, what kind of it's probably not going

770
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 2>to get solved. I mean, it could, it could, but

771
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:30.159
<v Speaker 2>it's probably not because I mean, they didn't have the

772
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.519
<v Speaker 2>means they do today to solve things back then.

773
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go. Wow, I have no theory. Usually

774
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 1>in mysteries and unsolved murders like this, I have a theory.

775
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:42.519
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing.

776
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

777
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I do think Yule is the most likely suspect, but

778
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I also think that there would be some evidence to

779
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>also link him if he was, so I'm also not

780
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:53.599
<v Speaker 1>sold on it.

781
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, the fact that his girlfriend knew things that

782
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>weren't released, How the hell would she? You know?

783
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>That was all it takes is for one rumor to

784
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>get out, one officer to have a drink with his

785
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 1>wife and just say something he wasn't supposed to, and

786
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 1>then her go to the I don't know, grocery store

787
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 1>and run into a friend and oh, my husband told

788
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 1>me this, And then that person is friends with this

789
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 1>chick who's marrying you.

790
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>All I guess like, yeah, I mean, how many conversations

791
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>don't tell anyone this? Or I'm not supposed to tell

792
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>anyone this?

793
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, things get leaked all the time. Yeah, so

794
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 1>to say that it was not released information, are you

795
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.679
<v Speaker 1>certain it was not released information?

796
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's an interesting one.

797
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree.

798
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Also terrifying the thought of just like being chased to

799
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>me is something I know.

800
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 1>And then he catches up with you and asks you,

801
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:46.079
<v Speaker 1>why are you running?

802
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, yeah, because also like zombie stuff, when the

803
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 2>zombies are like fast and chase you, I just can't, Like,

804
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I just can't. The chasing thing is just too much.

805
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I gotcha. No, I I'm right there with you,

806
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.079
<v Speaker 1>because especially I've gained weights in my thirties and I

807
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 1>cannot run very good anymore.

808
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I know. I'm like, I don't know even how far

809
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 2>i'd make it, But then there's adrenaline. I'd be relying

810
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 2>on that.

811
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 1>I guess probably I'd probably be very like Homer Simpson

812
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>ask I'd take like two steps and I'd be like, okay,

813
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>just hold that a second regreath. Oh boy, that's probably

814
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 1>how it would play out for me.

815
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I guess we you know, hope you guys

816
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.519
<v Speaker 2>have a good week. We'll see you again on Friday.

817
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna do the whole end spiel?

818
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't planned. I don't know.

819
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna make me do it?

820
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

821
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you guys for being here. We really appreciate it.

822
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>As always, trust me, I really do mean it. Whenever

823
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 1>I say it, I do this spiel at the end

824
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 1>every episode, but I do it because, hey, we're serious.

825
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Without you guys listening to our show, we would not

826
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 1>be doing the show. Still, we would not be here today,

827
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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much. In the bottom of our hearts.

828
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<v Speaker 1>If you want to check out any of our links,

829
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 1>they are below. I'm gonna leave it at that today,

830
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. You guys are incredible. In fact,

831
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>you guys are short wicked. They're wicked. So do you

832
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>know what I think they should do?

833
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<v Speaker 2>Stay wicked exactly. Okay, until next time, stay wicked. H