WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:04.799 How'd you like to listen to dot NetRocks with no ads? Easy? 2 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:08.560 Become a patron for just five dollars a month. You 3 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:11.320 get access to a private RSS feed where all the 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:14.560 shows have no ads. Twenty dollars a month, we'll get 5 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:17.679 you that and a special dot net Rocks patron mug. 6 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:35.159 Sign up now at Patreon dot dot NetRocks dot com. Hey, 7 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.479 welcome back to dot net Rocks. I'm Carl Franklin and 8 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.679 Amateury Cavil and Dylan Beatty is with us. You can 9 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.039 you can jump in anytime Dylan during this. 10 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:47.840 Hello friends, tell people listening to us on the internet, 11 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:49.000 how are you all doing out there? 12 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.920 We will give you a formal introduction after all this 13 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:56.520 stuff that we do at the beginning, starting with the 14 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.439 show number year. So this is episode two thousand and 15 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:02.960 two and two let's talk about what happened in two 16 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:03.520 thousand and two. 17 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.480 Congratulations on two thousand episodes, by the way, thanks buddy, 18 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.120 thank you. That is a significant milestone. Well done. 19 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.319 And this is a kind of a strange numbers show 20 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.840 because two thousand and two is the year of the 21 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:18.079 first dot net rock. 22 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:21.239 Yeah, we are fully entering recursion now. 23 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:24.920 And it dawns on me that we really only have 24 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.640 twenty four more of these. What happened in the year. 25 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:29.920 Yeah, well, it's because there's certain group people are like, please, 26 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.359 don't do this anymore, and it's like, you know it'll end. 27 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:33.079 Guarantee you. 28 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.040 We're not going to predict the future, right. 29 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.040 Come on, you got to do that. You got to 30 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:41.200 be like, listen, this is on predictions for twenty thirty two. 31 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:42.000 Here you go. 32 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.439 But a couple of other things happened in two thousand 33 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:49.599 and two, like the euro Yeah, congratulations, Dylan, that affects 34 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:50.239 you personally. 35 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:50.879 Not anymore. 36 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.640 Oh yeah, that's right, not anymore. Where are you now? 37 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.319 We have no right now. I'm in the UK, I'm 38 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:59.560 a home and a break from tradition, I'm. 39 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.159 In my house. Yeah, okay, great. 40 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:03.920 And I do have a lot of euros, a whole lot. 41 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:07.760 I during the whole kind of COVID lockdowns, I sorted 42 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:09.840 out all the loose change that came back from all 43 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.319 the trips, and I had one hundred and eighty seven 44 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.759 euros in cash, about half of it in coins wow coin. 45 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.719 So I went to Tallinn and I went to the 46 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:20.560 Depeche Mode cafe and I spent eighty five euros and 47 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:21.759 coins playing pinball. 48 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:27.159 Awesome, glorious day. It's almost as great as sleeping to 49 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:29.840 ten thirty. There you go, all right, So other things. 50 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:36.039 The US went into Afghanistan in March, some other warry 51 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:36.960 type things. 52 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.240 They didn't know they'd stayed for twenty years. 53 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:44.199 Yeah, well they figured. You know, hey, the Russians left 54 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:48.439 tail between their legs. Yeah, went so well for them. 55 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:52.400 East Timor gained independence. There were some riots in India 56 00:02:53.400 --> 00:03:01.199 in Gujarat. The International Criminal Court was established. Let's see 57 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.280 the stars outbreak begins in China in Guangdong. 58 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:07.960 Yeah, well, we won't figure that out till later. Right. 59 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.919 Switzerland joined the UN. Yeah, how about that? A Winter 60 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.400 Olympics Salt Lake Winter Olympics are held in Salt Lake City. 61 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:22.120 Brazil wins the FIFA World Cup in South Korea and Japan. 62 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:26.240 Hollie Barry became the first black woman to win Academy 63 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.560 Award for Best Actress. It took her till two thousand 64 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:29.919 and two. 65 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:31.080 It's kind of nuts. 66 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:33.840 Do you know what she did with that Academy award 67 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:36.560 is she took it with her when she went in 68 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:40.719 person to collect her Golden Raspberry Award for Catwoman, and 69 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:42.960 she walks out on the stage and she gets a 70 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.719 golden Razzie in one hand and her actual oscar in 71 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.479 the other hand. 72 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.080 Legend, legend. 73 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.719 Yeah, Star Wars two, Attack of the Clones is released. 74 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:58.960 If you hadn't had enough of jar Jar Banks, here's another. 75 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.800 One in episode two. That's right, and that's a feature. 76 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:04.479 You see him, but he never speaks. 77 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.879 Tongue got cut out or something like that. 78 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.520 I think they figured out that that that whole voice 79 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:11.960 characterization was a mistake. 80 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.079 Yeah, and just never had him speak. Yeah, good, I 81 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.439 hated that guy. All right. Let's talk about the top 82 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:26.279 ten movies. The Bourne Identity Signs, Chicago Ice Age, Die 83 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.000 Another Day, Men in Black two because he didn't get 84 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:32.560 enough of Men in Black and Men in Black one. 85 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:34.879 Well, I don't even remember Men in Black one. 86 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:40.240 Spider Man, Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets. And finally, 87 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:42.199 the top grossing movie of two thousand and two is 88 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:45.079 The Lord of the Rings. The Two Towers, absolutely the 89 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:49.160 second one. It's awesome. Yeah, that's where Gollum really looks 90 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:54.800 awesome in that one. Okay, Well, that's enough of that, Richard. 91 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.439 Let's talk about science and tech start in space. 92 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:02.879 In space in in February of two thousand and two 93 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.079 is the first time they used a new quest airlock 94 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:07.240 without the space station there. I've been brought in in 95 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:09.519 July of two thousand and one, and they're starting to 96 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.439 assemble the space station. So there's lots of spacewalks in 97 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:13.759 two thousand and two, more than there had been in 98 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:15.759 any other time. They'll hold a number keep going up. 99 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:22.680 There are five different Space Shuttle missions. Four of them 100 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:24.800 are all bringing stuff to the space station. The S 101 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.000 zero trusts crew rotations, the S one trust, the P 102 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.199 one trust like building in the building. But the one 103 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.160 exception is in March where Columbia, who could not get 104 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.120 to the space station because she was overweight, does go 105 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:40.120 for the Hubble servicing mission, which also had five spacewalks 106 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.879 in it. So this is the only satellite to ever 107 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:45.959 get major servicing was Hubble. Right, it's kind of a 108 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.680 maging what they did. So five spacewalks of two astronauts 109 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:52.439 each spending something like forty hours of total work, and 110 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.639 they put in new solar panels, a new power system, 111 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:56.160 and to set a new sensor. It's just a complete 112 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:57.000 upgrade Tubble. 113 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:02.839 You know, I recently saw online picture of Neptune that 114 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.680 was taken with Hubble next to a picture of Neptune 115 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.759 that was taken with a JW. James Webb, you know, 116 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:12.839 James Webb telescope, and the difference that you can see 117 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.079 rings around Neptune. 118 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:18.480 Oh sure, well Hubble. Hubble is optical and James Webb 119 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:22.000 is infra red, so you're seeing different frequencies and they're 120 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.639 colorizing it to make them look similar. But it just 121 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.079 shows that not the optical range is not always the 122 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.839 most necessary. And as much as we all adore Hubble, 123 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.560 and it's definitely on its last legs. Again, there's a 124 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:36.480 whole debate about whether it's worth servicing it or not. 125 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:40.600 The Nancy Grace Romans satellite's about to go up, which 126 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.439 is also in the high infra red near optical range, 127 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.839 but has and has a similar size mirror, but such 128 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.360 so much better electronics that will observe one hundred times 129 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.240 more space than Hubble in the same amount of time. Wow. 130 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:56.920 So just you know, texts come a long way. Also 131 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.959 based on an old spy satellite. 132 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.079 Now, if we could just get a telescope that would 133 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.399 show us what dark matter is. I think that would 134 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:05.439 be us. We're trying to figure that out. That's one 135 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.199 of Mission Nancy Grace Roman's missions, so we're working on 136 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.959 it a couple other space things. In two thousand and two, 137 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.800 after the Challenger disaster, the Air Force had pulled out 138 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.279 of the Space Shuttle missions pretty much entirely, and they 139 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:22.800 started what they called the New Evolved Launch Vehicle System. 140 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.439 And in two thousand and two both those rockets fly 141 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.600 for the first time, the Atlas five and the Delta four, 142 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.519 which today are both retired. This is when they began 143 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.199 also a first flight for the new European rocket at 144 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.319 the time, the area En five. It was so big 145 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:39.839 it actually would carry two satellites at a time, which 146 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.720 means when the first flight failed catastrophically, it lost two 147 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:44.120 satellites instead of one. Wow. 148 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:49.360 And let's see what else in April SpaceX, Yeah, we'll 149 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.240 get there. In April, we get our last messages from 150 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.279 Pioneer ten. You know, we always talk about the Voyager missions, 151 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:58.160 which are way you know now passed out of the heliopause, 152 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.000 but Pioneer ten was actually ahead of them and launch 153 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.519 in seventy two. The Voyagers were in seventy seven and 154 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:05.560 it was firsting to go to Jupiter. It only had 155 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.680 one hundred and fifty five watts of RTG power, but 156 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:09.720 by two thousand and one was down to sixty five 157 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.480 wow in it radio finally packed it in while it 158 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:16.959 was eighty astronomical units about twelve billion kilometers away from Jeez, 159 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:21.319 and you're right. In May, this pseudo billionaire at the 160 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:25.000 time named Elon Musk forms a company called SpaceX after 161 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:29.560 he was unable to buy a deneeper rocket from the 162 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.559 Russians to do his Green Mars mission. He figured he'd 163 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.039 just try and do it himself. Last time I looked, 164 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:36.480 still hadn't flown anything to Mars. 165 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:37.000 Right. 166 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:42.240 Also in May, the Mars Odyssey orbiter does the first 167 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.759 sensing of actual water ice deposits on Mars. We've always 168 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.919 seen that there were white poles on Mars and the 169 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.639 presumption that they were frozen carbon dioxidecause the air pressure 170 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.480 is so low. But there's also water ice there as well. Yeah, Okay, 171 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.159 over on the computing side, yeah. In August, the first 172 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.120 episode of dot netX polishes a guy named Pat Hines, 173 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.879 who we consider are Lucky Rabbit's foot first on most 174 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:06.240 of our shows, back all of our shows. I think 175 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:10.200 yeah is out there. This is of course, it's actually 176 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.000 a slow year for comput because it's two thousand and two. 177 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:15.080 In the dot com boom has ended, the bust is 178 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.840 on full force. It's not a lot going on. But 179 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:22.279 it's also the year that the Phoenix browser is released. 180 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.679 So this is actually the Mozilla community, which was formed 181 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.039 by Netscape in ninety eight just before they were acquired 182 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.240 by AOL, and a bunch of those folks built their 183 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:36.279 first built. They wanted an open source, independent browser in 184 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:40.159 the legacy of Netscape, but not Netscape. They called it Phoenix, 185 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:41.519 which they weren't allowed to do because there were a 186 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.879 company called Phoenix, so they renamed it the following year 187 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.600 two Firefox. 188 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:49.559 Well, first they renamed it the fire Bud because and 189 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:52.000 then someone else said you can't use that either it's 190 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.440 an embedded database. And there there's a fork of Firefox 191 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:58.679 from way back then. Well, you could basically you could 192 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.159 pick an element and an animal and it just changed 193 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.360 it every time, so you could be like earth oh 194 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:04.559 or ice, weeezl or. 195 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:05.120 Whatever you like. 196 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.000 Those are commands in Rockstar the language. 197 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.879 Also speaking of AOL, they had that was the year 198 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.600 they announced that they were going to integrate AIM and ICQ. 199 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:20.240 Wow. 200 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.320 So the great messenger conflicts of the early two thousand. 201 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.679 So ICQ I think was pretty much the first out 202 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:28.320 in ninety six and got acquired by AOL in ninety eight, 203 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.159 like because AOL was buying everything back then. They had 204 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.000 made their own messaging service in nineteen ninety seven, and 205 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.039 so now they had two. They figured, you know, five 206 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:37.759 years on they try and put them together. I remember 207 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:38.440 that's all back. 208 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:42.080 It does seem you used to run astonishing, you know, 209 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.480 with the big gift of hindsight that AOL, the company 210 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:47.639 who gave away the CD ROMs at the gas station, 211 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:53.080 bought Time Warner. Yeah, like Warner Brothers, Time magazine, that 212 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:57.440 conglomerate the gas station CD people bought them. Yeah, because 213 00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:59.879 that was they were the biggest hitter in that fight 214 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.159 at the time. And the AOL Time one became a 215 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:05.240 thing and then they went, I actually about the whole 216 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:06.879 AOL Nah, you're good. 217 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.559 Oh well, so we used to use a program called 218 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.399 trillion for messaging back. Yes, I don't know if it 219 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.200 was after that, but it was around that time after 220 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:20.639 where it had three different you know, messaging platforms. 221 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:23.080 Because the rest remember it was also yeahoo messenger and 222 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:24.360 MSN messenger. 223 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:27.279 It was yeah who messenger, There was MSN, there was ICQ, 224 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:31.159 there was it had an io C client. Uh go 225 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.559 one real old school. Yeah. Trillion was great. 226 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.679 Yeah, yeah, crazy, Yeah, I know at first version of 227 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.960 trillion is two thousand, so wow, it was way back there. Last, 228 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:44.000 but not least, a guy named Reid Hoffman forms a 229 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:48.039 company called LinkedIn. Wow, in December, not a lot going 230 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:49.960 on in the hardware side, So I'll just bring up 231 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:52.320 the two things that I found from two thousand and two. 232 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.919 Well, wait a minute before you move on to hardware. Yeah, 233 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.559 there's one big thing you forgot. What's that dot Net 234 00:11:57.679 --> 00:11:59.879 was released to manufacturing in two thousand and two. 235 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.840 You know, you're right, it was absolutely It was after 236 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.440 almost a year delay for security fixes. 237 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:07.279 Yeah. 238 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.720 So I remember going to the UK headquarters in Reading 239 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.399 that year with a couple of the guys I was 240 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.600 working with at the time, and just we got in 241 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:18.879 the car, we drove up there. We're like, hey, what's 242 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.039 this dot net thing? And they're like, this is c 243 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.840 shop and this is web forms and this is wind forms. 244 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:27.720 And then they gave us the Visual Studio dot Net 245 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:32.519 like Preview three release on a stack of DVDs and 246 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:34.039 we all took it back to work and we're like, 247 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:38.120 this is the future. And yeah, it eventually caught up. 248 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:41.240 Well, I mean, and you know you're you're you're right, 249 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.279 Richard about the end of the dot com boom, and 250 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:47.320 that's why the Moniker dot net was so you know, 251 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:51.039 this is the next thing, right right, yeah, all right, 252 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:52.000 hardware go for it. 253 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:58.480 Only a couple one was the Handspring Trio. So back 254 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.480 in ninety eight, they the guys who made Palm, they 255 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.039 got acquired by three com, so they bailed, They took 256 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:08.879 their money and they ran. They didn't want to work 257 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:10.960 for three com and they but they did license the 258 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.399 Palm os that they had developed back from three Com 259 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:17.559 and immediately set about to make PDAs, though Palm had 260 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:19.919 their own PDAs, And in two thousand and two they 261 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:21.840 released their first one was called the Trio ninety with 262 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:23.720 one hundred and sixty one hundred and sixty display and 263 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.480 a keyboard on it but no phone. Later they'd make 264 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.000 the Trio one eighty, which would have GSM wu WO 265 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.399 and they would only last a year because within a 266 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:35.519 year three Com would come back and buy them. So 267 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:38.159 it's like we took our money from selling to you, 268 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.039 made another thing and you bought us again. Good deal 269 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.120 for them. But it's the PDA twitches and last but 270 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.759 not least, the Rumba by I robot. So this idea 271 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.960 had been rattling around since the eighties, but in nineteen 272 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.240 ninety nine sc Johnson kicked it a bunch of funding, 273 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.080 I guess because of the dot com boom to build 274 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.399 this robot. It was a vacuum that could avoid obstacles 275 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.720 and stairs, not dog poop. 276 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.440 And old Hansman was the first one to post videos 277 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.440 of his room. But he was so happy about it. 278 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.480 So and you know, designed to go under beds and 279 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.399 things like that. It was very low and lean and 280 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.759 so forth. It made great cat videos for sure. Oh yeah, 281 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.399 they're much more advanced now like current Gen ten's are 282 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.879 impressive devices. But yeah, that's when that started. We have 283 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.519 a rumber and Kelly has my wife has a habit 284 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.799 of naming everything George, so it was Rumba George. And 285 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.879 she had a little beagle, stuffed beagle who she called 286 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.919 puppy George. And she put Puppy George on Rumba George 287 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.840 and took a video of it driving around the house 288 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:44.519 and it was the coolest, stupid but cool. Yeah. I 289 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.879 can't believe I wasted that thirty seconds on that little story, 290 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:51.039 but I'm sorry, LRD, I apologize, all. 291 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:52.279 Right, That's what we got her instrum. 292 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:52.919 So we got two. 293 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.879 Two, we got we got two more. Two very important 294 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:59.960 cultural milestones from two thousand and two. The first gay 295 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.080 in the Battlefield franchise Battlefield nineteen forty two. That was 296 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.519 two thousand and two, and I remember it because everyone 297 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.200 I know was hooked on that game for about six months. 298 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.759 Wow online clan play. It had the best gameplay mechanics 299 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.320 of I think any like you know, deathmatch style online 300 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.399 shooter and the other one. It was the first audio 301 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.919 Slave record, and this being dot net Rocks, I thought 302 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:24.799 we should get just a little bit of rock and 303 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.039 roll in there, because very cool. When we're not talking 304 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.279 about Rockstar today, we're talking about something else. But yeah, 305 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.039 Audio Slave two thousand and two one of the great 306 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.600 kind of crossover supergroups of that generation. 307 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:36.360 So cool. 308 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.960 All right, So before we start talking to Dylan about 309 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.039 what he thinks we should talk about, let's do better 310 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:44.320 no framework, roll the music. 311 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:53.200 Awesome, what do you got? 312 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.279 Well? By now people listening to dutnet rocks this should 313 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.919 be old news. But in case you haven't heard, you 314 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:02.120 can now use your your own LLLM models and gethub 315 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.559 co pilots cli. Whereas before you could only go through 316 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.159 their network. Right getthub network. So now you can bring 317 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:15.279 your own apikey and guess what it supports Olama, which 318 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:17.120 is using the open AI protocol. 319 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:17.639 Nice. 320 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:21.120 I have a big Olama machine sitting right next to me, 321 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.279 blinky lights, You're going local, You're going I'm going local. 322 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.840 So I tried it. It works by Jeff Fritz and 323 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.200 I did an episode of Code It with AI episode 324 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.200 twenty seven where I demonstrated it, and man, is it fast? 325 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.399 And I'm using a quin coder thirty billion library nut 326 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:48.519 library model on it. Just really fast and really good. However, 327 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.000 I found that it fell down a little bit when 328 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:55.759 asked to do things that required a little more architecture 329 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.360 and thought and wouldn't figure those things out. But really 330 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.120 really good. And I'll tell you a little story that 331 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.559 I told on that show. The first time I ran it, 332 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.079 I noticed that when after I hit the enter key 333 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:12.240 on the prompt I hear this high pitched wine, babe? 334 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.480 What the heck is that? As soon as the text 335 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:21.599 came back, it stopped and look at my uninterruptible power 336 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.599 supply that it's plugged into. And the UPS was basic 337 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:29.759 equally saying, ah, I can't take that power train. Oh wow, 338 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.559 So yeah, they caused my UPS to freak out. And 339 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.839 granted it's a small UPS, but yeah, plugged it right 340 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:39.519 into the wall, no problems. 341 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.519 So you need a bigger UPS. 342 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.319 So now it's not about tokens or you know, requests, it's. 343 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.680 About power and I have Now you've got the power problem. 344 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.240 Yeah, well but I've got a roof full of solar panels, 345 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:54.839 so I'm not at all worried about It's going to 346 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.279 be a good summer. Let's put it that way. And 347 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.000 you know, get get hub Co pilots raising their price 348 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.119 in June. This is the perfect time for me to 349 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:08.279 put more cycles into the local LM. Nice, that's it, 350 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:09.599 all right, who's talking to us? 351 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.640 Richard grabbed a comment off show nineteen ninety nine and 352 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.400 the one we called how We Beat the Wine two 353 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.640 K Bug, Yeah, which came out really nicely, and Rob 354 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:19.720 Howard had this nice comedy, says Hi, guys, great show. 355 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.480 It was good to take a trip down memory lane 356 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.640 and hear the war stories. My own experience was nowhere 357 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.319 near as exciting as your guests. For my customers, I'm 358 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:31.160 sure they felt it was just as important. People were worried, right, 359 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.559 it had been hyped up a lot. I ended up 360 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.200 on the phone at eleven pm Australia time on New 361 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:37.920 Year's Eve and that would be some of the first 362 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.279 time zones to roll over, right, yeah, with one client 363 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:46.319 talking them through a last minute emergency system wide backup. 364 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:50.440 What a one hour before rollover? These people look crazy, Yeah, 365 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:54.839 because you know they wanted it just in case. I 366 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:56.440 was able to getting through the process and feeling a 367 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.319 little bit calmer, was still enough time to watch the 368 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.839 Sydney fire works, fun times beautiful, you go, yeah, I 369 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.920 love it, you know. It's just I'm just great to 370 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.000 reach out remind people that we did a thing back 371 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:10.200 then and get some feedback from that. So ready to hear. 372 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.680 Thank you so much. You good to hear from Rob, 373 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.519 Yeah for sure, so Rob, thank you so much for 374 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.319 your comment. Copy of music co Buy is on its 375 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:17.720 way to you. If you'd like a copy of music. 376 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:19.160 Co buy I write a calm on the website at 377 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.920 dot netroocks dot com or on the facebooks. We publish 378 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:23.279 every show there, and if you comment there and I 379 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:24.960 read it on the show, we'll send your copy of music. 380 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.240 Go buy music to code by of course, Still Going 381 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:32.160 Strong twenty two tracks, twenty five minutes each, designed to 382 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.559 keep you in this state of flow while you're writing code. 383 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:38.480 Many many, many happy customers. All right with that, let's 384 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:42.000 introduce this guy who we've been talking to kind of casually. 385 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:47.160 Dylan Beattie is a consultant software developer and international keynote speaker. 386 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:49.839 He's been building web apps since the nineties and works 387 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:54.480 primarily on Microsoft dot Net, hddp APIs ux design and 388 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.799 distributed systems. Dylan lives and works in London, and when 389 00:19:57.799 --> 00:19:59.960 he's not writing code, he plays guitar and writes songs. 390 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.440 Oh yeah, he also came up with that language called 391 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:07.079 rock Star, which you heard about in previous versions of 392 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.039 the episodes of Rocks where he was here. Welcome back, Dylan, Hey, 393 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.440 it's great to be back. Yeah, what are you up 394 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:14.079 to these days? 395 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:18.039 Well, most immediately like right now, talking to you guys 396 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.079 earlier this afternoon, I was porting a bunch of web 397 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:26.200 code from next js to Astro, hanging out with Rendall, 398 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.000 doing live streams about claud code and getting up and 399 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:34.160 running with AI building the odd MCP server and dot 400 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:37.319 learning about CSS and all of the amazing things that 401 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:42.279